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Joe Rogan Experience _2527 - MrBeast · NO FILTER

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Speaker 1: Joe Rogan Podcast. Check it out The Joe Rogan Experience,
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Shrain by Day, Joe Rogan Podcast, by Night, all day.
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It must be very easy to get people to.
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Speaker 2: Do your show, well, I mean yeah, seeing how we
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give away millions of dollars, it's yeah, usually people are
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very excited about it. The actual The only hard part
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for us is, you know, if it's a longer one,
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just the time off work. So because sometimes when we
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shoot like Beast games or stuff, you know, it can
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go for a month. But besides the work stuff.
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Speaker 1: Of course, does other people that haven't been able to
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do the show because they couldn't get a month off work?
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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, tons of course. So we always have like
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even like the day before. You know, sometimes people get
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cold feet. So if we're doing something with one hundred people,
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we'll usually have ten backups just because you know.
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Speaker 1: I would imagine that the type of person that would
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do your show would have a job that they could quit.
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Speaker 2: Well, uh yeah, I mean I guess it depends, right,
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whether it's the YouTube channel where we're you know, doing
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you know, one hundred families compete for two hundred fifty
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thousand dollars, or it's Beest games where they're competing for
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five million. The five million people are way more excited
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for some of the you know the YouTube videos. It's
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not as like grand Yolster like, huh, I don't know
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if I want to lose my job for a one
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percent chance of winning two undred fifty k.
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Speaker 1: So, well, how many people when you do Beast Games?
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How many people are competing?
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Speaker 2: So the newest season we just shot, we grabbed one
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person from every country on Earth, so it was around
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two Well yeah, which I was actually pretty cool because
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you would put them in these like crazy games and
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you'd see how someone from like the Asian, you know,
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Pacific countries would react versus like someone in South America,
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and they play and think so differently because they have
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such different upbringings.
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Speaker 1: So that's really cool. Did you have to I mean
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you must have had to thoroughly vet these people, right,
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make sure they're not insane?
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Speaker 2: Sure?
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Speaker 1: Yeah, a serial killer?
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Speaker 2: We do the psych and background checks of course.
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Speaker 1: No, how do you get that information if you're going
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I mean, if you have how many countries are there?
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First of all? So one hundred and ninety.
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Speaker 2: We went off of whatever the Olympics do. So it's
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like one hundred something around two hundred, Yeah, a couple.
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Speaker 1: So some of them have to have some shitty infrastructure.
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Speaker 2: Oh, I mean I think one of them has literally
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forty thousand people living in it. Like it was, uh
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what is it? Not the uh something Sea Islands, not
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the Cayman Islands, but some island country And yeah, I
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was like, wow, like my town, which has one hundred
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thousand people, is two and a half times the population
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of your country.
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Speaker 1: Well.
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Speaker 2: I was joking with the contestant because I was like,
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if you win the five million dollars, you could technically
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give a two hundred dollars dividend to every single person
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in your country. Is Like, it's that crazy, it's that
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little people living there.
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Speaker 1: Wow. Yeah, that's the kind of country. Like I wonder
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if you could buy that country.
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Speaker 2: I mean, the GDP is probably you know, a couple
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hundred million dollars if I.
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Speaker 1: Were like someone like Elon or something like that, could.
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Speaker 2: There's probably thousands of people in America that could. I mean,
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I feel bad people from that country listening. So we
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didn't say the country okay.
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Speaker 1: We're good, we're good.
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Speaker 2: We didn't say it exactly, it's all yours.
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Speaker 1: They should know what they are. They were they're a
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country of forty thousand people. That's just what it is.
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Nothing wrong with that, but it's, uh, it is weird
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how many countries there are, and if you've got a
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person from every country, what are the odds you're going
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to get good data as to whether or not they're
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a criminal.
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Speaker 2: Well that's why I mean, if you saw like budgets
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on what I have to spend on casting those people,
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it was ridiculous to be able to get them all
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because basically what we did is we grab multiple options
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for each country. And what I was worried about is
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that like the contestant from blank country would suck and
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then the country would be like, Jimmy, you hate us
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and you purposely picked this, you know, absolute moron. So
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we would pick two or three from each country, and
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then we let people from those countries votes on who
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should compete. It wasn't even more one. I had to
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get multiple from each So I think I ended up
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spending over a million dollars just on you know, aggregating
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and casting and background checks and everything and then putting
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it out there so people can vote on it. But
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that way, you know, whatever, like Georgia in Europe. If
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that guy's an absolute more on it's on them.
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Speaker 1: They picked them, right, that's actually very smart. Exactly how
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did you come up with the concept for the show?
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Like what? First of all, how the fuck do you
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have time to do that show as well as do
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your YouTube show?
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Speaker 2: Yeah? I just don't sleep much during those because like
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BA scams basically is thirty days of just you know,
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eighteen hours a day of filming and so and for
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people who might not have heard of it, it's essentially
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the largest cash prize of any show in the world.
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Season one, we had the most contestants of any show
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in the world and the largest sets of any show
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ever to exist. And I was just like, what if
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you take like a reality show, but you just ramp
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everything up to the absolute maximum, and like, like season
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one we gave away twenty two million dollars just a
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good season, right, and you know, some of the biggest
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game shows in the world right now give away two
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hundred and fifty thousand dollars. Like we're giving away two
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million dollars every episode.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, like that that's wild. All those that's so crazy.
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That set's amazing.
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Speaker 2: And then we build a city, and so alsoly shit,
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my whole thesis behind it with this is you know
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when you watch these you know, game shows or reality shows,
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there's a lot of takeaways and like after the show,
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they'll put people in a room and they'll be like, hey,
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talk about what happened here, and it's like intercut. And
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I was like, well, what if we just have a
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thousand cameras and we just let people be themselves and
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we kind of just show it in real time. So
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we also, like in season one, we broke the world
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record of most cameras ever used in any production of
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any movie, show, anything ever. So like this set right here,
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there's over twelve hundred cameras in there, and the most
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roof was so big. Yeah, it's bigger than the football field.
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And so there's a thousand contestants. We have to have
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an a cam on all of them, so there's like
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a pole on each other platforms on them. Plus there's
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hundreds of cameras in the roof and blah blah. Think
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there's over twelve hundred here, which outside of this, the
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most ever used for production was four hundred, So like
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I literally had two And this might seem insane, but
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This is why I think their show appeals to quite
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a few people, because normally in a show, they would
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have a story producer walk up to you, hold a
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camera and be like, all right, you got three minutes.
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You're kind of the bad guy, say roughly along these lines,
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almost basically put words in your mouth, and then they'd
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go like person to person with like one camera, whereas
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I go on the microphone, I go say, whatever the
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hell you want, we're recording here for the next ten hours.
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I don't care. Right, you all have a dedicated camera
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on you, So then instead of like putting words in
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people's mouths, they can just do whatever they want.
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Speaker 1: So do you have someone who actually has to go
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back and watch all that footage and edit it and
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then put it all out as a show.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly.
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Speaker 1: Well this is why how many people do you have
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doing your editing?
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Speaker 2: That's season Over one hundred and fifty editors worked on it.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, it's crazy, and that's obviously why people don't
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do it, because it's like, basically, we had to spend
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millions of dollars in cameras. It was the world record
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for most cameras that we used, which then we also
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brought the world record for most camera cables used because
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it's twenty seven miles of camera cables, brought the world
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direcord for a large control. Each of these is millions
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of dollars, and you have to bring in millions of
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dollars of extra editors. And so next thing, you know,
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you know to take it from ten cameras where you
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just essentially put words in people's mouths to unlimited cameras
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and they can do whatever you want. You can show
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who they actually are as opposed to what you think
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they should be. Right with the story producer. It costs
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a lot of money, it's a lot of effort in time,
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but it shows through in the final product because now
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you know, you get more natural, like less scripted things
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when people are just themselves.
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Speaker 1: You have are ability to see the big picture and
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a great ability to put together things regardless of what
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the budget is, like, regardless of how much money you're
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gonna make to do the best product. Like I always
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thought that about you when you were doing when you
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first started doing your YouTube show. I'm like, the amount
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of money and time and effort involved in this is
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like above and beyond what most people are willing to do.
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And it's way more than a traditional television network whatever do,
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because a traditional television network would look at the upside,
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they would look at the money and they would go,
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we're gonna spend x amount of money to make it
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this much better. But if we just take it down
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a couple of notches, we save eighty percent. And they
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would do that. But you're like, can we make it
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even cooler? Let's put all the money back into the show,
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which is very risky, man, because not just very risky,
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it's just very You have great foresight, like you really
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see the big picture of it. Obviously the number one
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show in the world, like you have the most watched
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show on Earth. You know, your YouTube show is the
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most watch show on planet Earth. So it's obviously working.
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But it's like that ability to take to make that
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set must have been bananas. That is a fucking enormous building.
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Did you have to build the building? No?
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Speaker 2: So that that's in Toronto, but it's basically an airport hangar.
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I mean, we spent months trying to figure out how
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we could make this. That also is like a thousand
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trap doors because every single one of those the trap
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doors open when they get eliminated. So that set alone
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was like fifteen million dollars. I mean it was crazy,
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thousands of people's time and stuff like that. It's actually
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where we film be scams is actually a pretty big
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deal because it creates so many local jobs for people.
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Speaker 1: Oh I'm sure.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, Like there, it was like pretty wild.
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Speaker 1: Every time can you say were you filming? Or you
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keep it on the red?
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Speaker 2: That one was Toronto, Canada?
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Speaker 1: Oh okay cool?
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Speaker 2: And every time I'd walk around on set, people were
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loving it because even though we filmed for thirty days,
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there's months leading up to it, a month's after. Sure
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it gives people like systant work for six months, whereas
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like before they're going project to project every week. But yeah,
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back on the going above and beyond, that's kind of
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my whole thing is like why make content that isn't great?
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And we just ask ourselves how do we make the
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best content possible as opposed to you know, how do
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we make the most money possible? And when you just
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shockingly going with that approach, you just kind of make
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a lot of money.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: And well, and also it's I tell my team all
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the time too, like a big difference between us and
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other media companies. Is you know, usually like people at
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the top will aways shoot down crazy ideas or tell
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you it's not possible. Like whenever you have like these
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crazy brainstorming sessions and I tell the team, technically, anything
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is possible if as humans we really wanted to, we
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could technically blow up the Moon with enough nukes. Now,
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we're not going to do it because it's not worth
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the time and it's not worth spending the money. But
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you have to have that frame of mind. Everything is,
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for the most part, possible if you're willing to spend
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the time and spend the money. So before you do
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the work and just figure out what time it takes
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and how much money it costs, you can't say no
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to something because almost all the time, like we filmed
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in the Pyramids and I spent one hundred hours living
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in the pure it's of Egypt. It was fucking awesome.
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And you know, for years everyone's like they're not going
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to let you, you know, live in the pyramids for
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a couple of days, like that's crazy. And I'm like,
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well why not? Like did you get a no from
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the you know, the leader of Egypt.
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Speaker 1: No?
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Speaker 2: Then I'm like, well, technically as possible, you know. And
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and after years of talking with them and helping them
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understand that, you know, it's going to be more of
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an educational type video and it's not like I'm not
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going to run up the pyramids and take my shirt
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off and be like a lunatic. It will be really cool.
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Eventually they came around to it and they loved the
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video and it worked real as well. And it's literally
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like I could go anywhere in the pyramids for one
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hundred hours. I went all the way up to the
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top of the middle Pyramid, we went underneath it. It
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was it was really cool. And I like tell my team,
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it's like, you know, even some of my most veteran people,
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when we get these crazier ideas, their default reaction always
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is to go, I just don't think it's possible, and
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I go, look it is. Sometimes it's it's just time
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and money, you know, and is it worth the effort?
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Speaker 1: The Pyramid one must have been nuts.
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Speaker 2: Oh, it was crazy. It was one of my favorite videos.
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Speaker 1: Is that your first time ever being there? Yeah?
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Speaker 2: Actually was, And so that made it even more so
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because I was like learning things at the same time
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as I was just walking around, and I'm gonna be honest,
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it was like a year and a half ago, and
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it's like all a little fuzzy because I was like
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so tired. I was just walking around all night. But
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it was pretty crazy and surreal. And then going down
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into what's that tomb cold where you go down the
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ladder and like a couple hundred feet underneath the pyramid.
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Speaker 1: Mmm, I don't know, is that a cyruses?
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Speaker 2: Yeah? Yes, a cyruses Yeah, And then it was like
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flooded and swimming around under there. It's pretty wild. Yeah,
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I feel like you should do something like that.
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Speaker 1: I need to go there. I've been talking about going
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there for years. I just really it's just the time thing.
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My time is so many different jobs. It's not like
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one all consuming job like you have me. It's like
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commentary for the UFC, doing stand up comedy, doing the podcast,
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and also married with children, so like, I have a
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lot of responsibilities, so it's tough to just jet off
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for a really. Ideally, if you're going to go to Egypt,
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I feel like you should go for like ten days. Yeah,
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I feel like at least ten days, do you think the.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I feel like they maybe honestly realistic, like five
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days you could do it. Yeah, And like I'm curious though,
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if they let you just like do a video where
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you walk around and go everywhere, because I wonder, Yeah,
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because I've talked a lot of shit exactly. I'm without
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saying it, I'm kind of implying I don't even know
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if they want you there.
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Speaker 1: Well, I'd never have said anything bad about it, but
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it I just think that the people that run it
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have a very narrow minded perspective of how all that
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stuff was made, and I don't I think I don't
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think they really know, and I think there's a lot
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of gatekeeping in terms of, you know, what the official
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narrative is. It's like how it was all made and
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who made it and what it's all about. That's why
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they're really hesitant to accept any alternative perspectives, because they
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have a timeline and they attribute all this construction and
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there's a lot of evidence that that timeline doesn't make
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any sense. Yeah, did you check out the sphinx? Yeah?
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Speaker 2: And you can, you know, you can go underneath it
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and go in that little room. Yeah, to do that, Yeah,
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which that's the stuff. I feel like it would mean
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even more if you did. You've talked to doctor Zahi, right, yeah,
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did you have him on the show?
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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I'm on the show.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, good. Yeah, and so he's obviously the guy,
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so you should just call him and see.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'd rather go for somebody else.
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Speaker 2: I didn't listen to that episode.
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Speaker 1: I'd rather go hang out with one of the historians that.
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Speaker 2: I know, Granam Hancock.
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Speaker 1: Yeah. If Graham Hancock would be the perfect guy to
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go with. Yeah, you and.
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Speaker 2: Graham Hancocks walking around. Oh boy, there would be some
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crazy stuff.
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Speaker 1: So yeah, well, whatever happened in that part of the
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world during that time frame, it's pretty spectacular, and it's
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kind of amazing that no one has ever achieved anything
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even remotely similar to it since. Yeah, and it's at
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least forty five hundred years old, and that's just a
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guess though they really don't know. Yeah, you know, it's
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it's a crazy place. The fact that you got to
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film a show there is nuts.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, you call a show, and to me it's just
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a YouTube video. But it's just funny.
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Speaker 1: It's a show.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I know, of course. And it makes sense because
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you do stuff with the UFC and and year old.
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A lot of it's called shows, but.
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Speaker 1: I mean, whatever it is is people were watching it.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I know, it's just it's just funny to me.
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I haven't heard it all that in years. But yeah,
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that one was crazy. And I mean one thing that
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I'm really proud of that we did for season three
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Beast Games, which like, in hindsight, I'm not even sure
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how we this one we pulled off. So I want
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to see your reaction to this. So basically the finale
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where we have the five million dollars, we have the
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final contestants. We filmed it in the Roman Coliseum. Whoa, Yeah,
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we crowned the winner of season three with the five
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million dollar cash prize the middle of the Roman Coliseum.
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Played played the first game there and over a thousand years.
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Speaker 1: Wow, that's crazy.
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Speaker 2: I'm so grateful. I like, we just filmed that too,
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So I'm like coming off the high and I just like,
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like it almost makes like it gives me tears. Like
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what we shot was so cool. We had like a
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live orchestra like the top ring of there too, so
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like as the game got dramatic, we would have them
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like play louder music and stuff. It was like so surreal.
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Like there's multiple because I've done really crazy things in
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my life, but there's multiple moments during that where I'm
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just like looking around in the middle of the Colosseum
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as we're like filming this show, and I'm like, like,
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this doesn't feel real. It was pretty wild.
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Speaker 1: It doesn't feel I mean I went just to visit
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a few years back and it didn't feel real. It's
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so strange to imagine like what that was like. You know,
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how many thousand years ago to when what year were
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they doing the games in the Roman Colosseum.
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Speaker 2: I would guess nineteen hundred years ago.
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Speaker 1: So I mean, what the fuck was it like being
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in there while that was happening.
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Speaker 2: And imagine what.
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Speaker 1: It was like? Whoa, I'm crazy, I know. And it's
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just it's nuts that you could go walk around it
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and just trying to understand like this used to be
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a place where people used to go to see people die. Yeah,
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you see people get hacked to death by swords, to
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see people get killed by lions, Like what the fuck
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were was.
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Speaker 2: Well it's also interesting too because I did a lot
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of research, you know, before he filmed there, and it's
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also did a good job of you know, back then
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they had like the hierarchy and like the nobles people
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would sit at the bottom and the poor people be
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at the top. And it also played like a good
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role of like showcasing unity even though there are all
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these different people from all these different you know, economic statuses,
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they would all be in the arena there, but also
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remind them where they are. And there's like so many
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political implications of it too. Yeah, and so just everything
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about it.
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Speaker 1: Like basketball games, he gets court side tickets.
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Speaker 2: I didn't even I didn't even think about that.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, Jack Nicholson. Court side tickets, court side tickets. True. Yeah,
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I mean it's the same thing. A thing in the
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coliseum though, that was the most dangerous seats because like
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there was a couple of incidents I believe, when either
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a lion or a tiger leapt up and got a
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hold of some people.
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Speaker 2: Yeah. Well I didn't hear about that, But when I
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was walking around, you know, they would have the you
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know emperor like seat right there, and I was like, man,
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if I was a warrior, I could throw spear at him,
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like this is like this is a killer of you.
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But like, how did no one ever just kill this guy,
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you know, right, I was like that's all I could
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think about. It's like this is a little too close
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to the battlefield.
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Speaker 1: How close is it?
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Speaker 2: It was like whatever four rows up. It wasn't like
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anything too crazy, but like there's like obviously walls when
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you're walking around, like little walls, so you can't just
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you know, walk into the stands, so they're like kind
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of trapped in the arena. But it was definitely within
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spear throwing distance.
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insane structure and they did it, you know, almost two
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thousand years ago or whatever it was. Yeah, so it
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took eight years to build, wow, from eighty seven to
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's fascinating too, because I like to think of
19:32
like something equivalent now would be like maybe Sofi Stadium,
19:35
Like that's such a beautiful, massive stadium. I wonder if
19:38
like two thousand years from now, would that still be there? Right,
19:41
Like Roma Colosseum is like relatively still intact.
19:44
Speaker 1: It's pretty crazy, that's what it's crazy. It's because it's
19:47
made out of stone. All of our stuff, like cement
19:49
will rot out. There's no way cement lasts one thousand years.
19:52
All the glass, all the everything will just get absorbed
19:55
back into the earth. Dang, do you ever see that show?
19:57
They had a show, like what was it on the
19:59
History Channel or something like that where it was After
20:02
Humans I think it was called, and it essentially showed
20:05
how long it would take for cities to completely be
20:08
absorbed back into the earth. It's nothing long. Yeah, it's
20:12
not that long. No, it's like a few hundred years
20:14
and there's nothing left. Wow.
20:16
Speaker 2: Yeah, it actually seems like a good show.
20:18
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was kind of interesting. You know, it was
20:19
a while ago, so it was probably like shitty AI,
20:22
it was a shitty cgi I. They could probably do
20:24
it really good now. Yeah, but I mean if you
20:27
go to Detroit, there's houses in Detroit now that have
20:30
trees growing out of the basement of the house through
20:33
the roof. Yeah, like they've they've taken over the house
20:37
and nature is slowly but surely absorbing the building. And
20:41
then skyscrapers are a bigger endeavor, but they could still
20:44
Nature could still do it. It just takes one day time.
20:47
Speaker 2: That makes me where my brain goes through it is
20:48
it makes me want to do a video where it's
20:50
like I bet you there's like an abandoned village or
20:53
city that's been overgrown and like doing a video it's
20:55
titled like last Human on Earth simulation and then like
20:58
living there for a month there's so and seeing what
21:00
it's like. That's kind of cool, kind of like the
21:03
Will Smith movie back in the day.
21:04
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, yeah, yeah.
21:06
Speaker 2: That'd be so fascinating, like to or maybe do it
21:09
like with the contestant, like hey, if you spend one
21:12
month you know in this like isolated civilization, like I'll
21:15
give you a million dollars or something and then seeing
21:17
how they like, you know, use you one hundred year
21:19
old buildings or something. I don't know. It's got my
21:21
my brain journey.
21:22
Speaker 1: It was not a bad idea, like an I Am
21:23
legend type deal.
21:24
Speaker 2: Yeah, but real unscripted exactly.
21:27
Speaker 1: Right, real unscripted. But then also hire people to be
21:29
zombies and people.
21:31
Speaker 2: Frame goes you know what I mean?
21:32
Speaker 1: Yeah, Hi, hire people like c GI them up, scare
21:36
the funk out of people.
21:38
Speaker 2: I've been wanting to do that for a while, but
21:39
I always get like hung up on, like, Okay, we
21:42
I can make some real zombies, but the problem is
21:44
like how do they kill them?
21:45
Speaker 1: And then you know, well, the other problem is what
21:47
happens if you if you're not telling these contestants that
21:51
zombies are coming, you're just trying to get a reaction
21:53
out of them. What if this guy thinks it's a
21:55
real zombie and kills one of the people.
21:57
Speaker 2: Yeah, well I we would tell if I would have
21:58
to say a zombie simul and you know, and then
22:01
I'd have to set rules on here is how you.
22:03
Speaker 1: Kill a zombie.
22:04
Speaker 2: You don't use a sword, You use this foam thing
22:07
and it's lame, which is why we've never gone around
22:09
to it. But if there ever was a way, I
22:11
do think that would be cool to like recreate a
22:13
actual zombie apocalypse and like let someone try to live
22:16
in for a week, because it'd just be cool because
22:19
everyone's exposure to this is through scripted shows, right, but
22:21
to see someone like truly live in an unscripted one
22:23
where we build run down gas stations and there's like
22:26
food that like we would say this is set in
22:28
the year twenty sixty, so I'd have set designers and
22:30
everything design it where it's like only laughy taffy is
22:32
still edible and stuff, and it is like our true
22:35
recreation of it. I've always wanted to do stuff like that.
22:38
Speaker 1: You could totally do that. There's a bunch of abandoned
22:40
towns now.
22:40
Speaker 2: It's just the one thing we can never figure out
22:42
is how does someone kill a zombie? And it's not lame,
22:44
right because imagine someone with them nerves sword hidden a zombie.
22:47
Oh Now, it's like, Okay, this is a fucking lame
22:48
you know.
22:49
Speaker 1: Yeah, maybe a paintball type deal.
22:53
Speaker 2: Yeah, And that's where our head goes because we're we
22:56
have a different video similar thing. But the problem with
22:58
paintball and airsoft isn't you have to wear a mask
23:00
right for people to get shot in the face obviously,
23:03
and then it kind of kills it.
23:05
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, unless the zombie masks were what was the protection.
23:13
Speaker 2: Yeah, we put it over top of the that's yeah,
23:16
poor poor actors, they're gonna.
23:18
Speaker 1: Or you just have instead of like a regular paintball mask,
23:21
have something that's just a hard structure that is like
23:25
your the shape of your face exactly, so you make
23:27
it fast to your face and then you know, you
23:30
give them goggle something clear so their eyes are protected,
23:33
and then you do all the makeup on top of it.
23:35
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know what, I should hit you up for
23:36
these zombie things?
23:37
Speaker 1: That actually would yes, exactly, yes, perfect, that's an airsoft mask.
23:44
Speaker 2: That that that would be pretty cool.
23:45
Speaker 1: I mean, oh dude, that's actually dope. Look at those masks,
23:49
the half faced zombie ones. Yeah, that's fucking dope. Like
23:52
you could that would be terrifying coming at you in
23:55
the middle of the night.
23:57
Speaker 2: Listening wants to live in an abandoned town for ten
24:00
days all zombies try.
24:01
Speaker 1: To kill you. I think we're onto something now now
24:03
that I saw those masks. I'm like, Okay, I like
24:06
it because that could be the zombies.
24:08
Speaker 2: Well where my head goes because the videos are so big, right,
24:11
this is probably a five ten million dollar project. I
24:13
probably would build this abandoned city do I'm the last
24:17
man on the planet, and it's like me there for
24:19
some time, and then afterwards, like a couple months like film.
24:22
Then right after film a video where I give someone
24:24
a million dollars. They live there for ten days, but
24:25
they have to find off zombies with their friends, and
24:27
then we, yeah, reuse the set location. Because if I'm
24:29
gonna completely set deck up basically a whole city, oh
24:33
my gosh, that's gonna be a monster. But yeah, if
24:35
I did both those back to back, that I'd actually
24:37
be pretty pretty gnarly and worth the effort.
24:39
Speaker 1: I think I like the idea. Now, yeah, now that
24:41
I see those masks and I think about like paintball
24:45
or something along those lines.
24:47
Speaker 2: What I'm picturing too is like, ideally can find a
24:49
see with the skyscraper because I want like someone with
24:52
the long lens pointed down of like someone picture them
24:54
on a street. It's pitch black and they have like
24:56
a fire and it's them and their three friends and
24:58
you know, and then they hear noise and zombies and
25:00
stuff like those shots would be so beautiful like that,
25:03
I mean that it would probably be one of the
25:04
most beautiful videos ever. And I'm picturing we put like
25:07
vines like on all the buildings and stuff too.
25:09
Speaker 1: So, well, if you wanted no one around, it's gonna
25:13
be hard because you're gonna have to do in an
25:15
abandoned place exactly, and you're not gonna get an abandoned skyscraper.
25:19
Speaker 2: Maybe so less you're in Detroit. Well we also it
25:22
doesn't have to be in the US. We did a
25:23
video seven days in an abandoned city where there's like
25:26
someplace in Europe where there was a city that was
25:29
like war torn and stuff like that, and it had
25:31
like hotels and tall buildings and everything. It was pretty
25:33
pretty wild. So really yeah, and there's no one in
25:36
it now, no one in it, like tourists go there,
25:39
but they let us close it off for a week.
25:41
It was pretty crazy.
25:41
Speaker 1: Well that's the place, then, Yeah.
25:43
Speaker 2: I just wonder if they'll you know, it's a little
25:45
bit of history there, so I doubt they'll let me
25:46
go in and like set deck everything like crazy.
25:48
Speaker 1: But and also paintball everything exactly.
25:51
Speaker 2: Yeah, well with those mass we could do airsoft, which
25:53
would be maybe even easier. Well, actually no, The problem
25:55
with the airsoft then is the trust system. You don't
25:57
know if they got hit. So paintball is probably more that.
25:59
Speaker 1: Yeah you need paintball. Yeah you need paintball, and it
26:02
needs to look good when it splotters against them.
26:05
Speaker 2: I just you know, if someone on my team's watching this,
26:08
just clip the last ten minutes of this and send
26:09
it to the creative team. I got you, guys, I
26:12
believe in you.
26:13
Speaker 1: Is there another way to kill a zombie other than paintball?
26:16
That would be wild?
26:18
Speaker 2: Like?
26:18
Speaker 1: Is there something else?
26:21
Speaker 2: Well, one thing we've been working on because I've always
26:24
wanted to like do hunger games in real life as
26:26
well as so like these like suits where you could
26:28
you know, electronic like laser tag where you could just
26:31
shoot and then it just like lights up.
26:33
Speaker 1: So what about shotguns with bean bags? You know, because
26:38
they use those for people to like take out like
26:42
when the non lethal loads, you know, they have like
26:45
bean bags they shoot out of a shot.
26:47
Speaker 2: But the question I wouldn't need is like if I
26:49
shot you with it like three feet away. Would you
26:51
still be fine? If I guess you could probably adjust
26:53
the pressure and stuff where it's not not really okay, Well.
26:57
Speaker 1: You could, but you couldn't vary it.
27:00
Speaker 2: This isn't fear factor. This is mister b.
27:04
Speaker 1: It's a grey line.
27:05
Speaker 3: You know.
27:06
Speaker 2: It's so funny. I need to give you a blood
27:08
and let you just help me cook on this video
27:10
I can see there.
27:12
Speaker 1: You just have to figure out an exciting way to
27:14
kill them where it doesn't actually hurt the stunt people
27:17
or whoever's wearing the masks, whoever pretends to be a zombie.
27:20
It would have to be something. I was thinking light
27:23
them on fire, but that's.
27:25
Speaker 2: Could you pull up the seven Days Abandoned City video
27:28
and just skip to some Brandon part I'd love for
27:29
him to see, like the like how it looks, because
27:33
that with what you're picturing, and that really would be
27:35
something you can't find anywhere else. And that's what gets
27:38
me excited is when it's content you can't find anywhere else.
27:41
That's typically, you know, a huge indicator that if it's
27:43
done well, people like it.
27:45
Speaker 1: Have you seen the show from from I don't think so. No,
27:48
great great show, but it's about the You look.
27:50
Speaker 2: At that shat posit right there, like are So that's
27:55
just one random building. But you can maybe go to
27:57
the intro or something if you want to just show
27:59
them like yeah, this whole place, like.
28:01
Speaker 1: Look at these oh, oh my god, this is perfect.
28:03
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then like yeah, if you posit there, those
28:05
are all the buildings in the city.
28:07
Speaker 1: I mean, oh, dude, this is the spot. Listen. The
28:10
show starts at sundown every night. Okay, as soon as
28:14
the sun goes down, that's when the games begin. Nothing
28:17
happens until it gets dark out. Everything is in the dark.
28:21
And these people have no idea when it's gonna happen,
28:23
when they're gonna get hit, and so they try to
28:25
get their sleep whenever they can. But you keep them
28:28
awake during the day with tasks. You keep them away.
28:31
So during the day they have all sorts of materials,
28:37
they have supplies, they have all sorts of things, and
28:40
they have to figure out how to protect themselves, how
28:42
to develop shelter alarm systems for when the zombies are close.
28:48
They give them, yeah, give them time to like figure
28:51
out stuff to do to keep the zombies away. And
28:54
the limited amount of materials that they can work with
28:57
and just let these people get creative and their ingenuity.
29:00
But then you keep so that they'll be busy during
29:02
the day so they're not gonna be able to sleep.
29:04
So at night time when it gets dark out, then
29:07
they don't know when it's gonna hit. So you have
29:09
these people sitting around and it might be seven pm,
29:13
eight pm, nine pm, and then three in the morning.
29:16
Speaker 2: Shit, thirty zombies come in and they got to shed
29:19
them all and they're creeping in.
29:21
Speaker 1: Yeah, like they're creeping in.
29:23
Speaker 2: Bro, you're getting me excited. I mean, it would be
29:26
so fucking cool to like let them build a structure
29:29
or something and then like an I'm legend where he
29:31
has to point the lights because they hate lights, but
29:32
like at night time, like they'll have to We can
29:35
hide lights throughout the city that they'd have to collect
29:37
and then set up so they have good vision around
29:39
their fort and everything. And then they have like you
29:41
know cycles where they take turns watching and stuff. Yeah,
29:44
and then we only send the zombies at theoretically at
29:46
night or whatever the structure would be, so they have
29:48
chill time or maybe every night forty zombies are leashed
29:52
and then so they're like, they shot like thirty five
29:54
of them, but they're like, oh shit, there's five in
29:56
around the city. So that day while they're walking around,
29:58
they're like on edge, and the ten and throughout the
30:00
day would be phenomenal. Yeah, there's so many cool ways
30:03
to do it.
30:03
Speaker 1: And you know, you don't have to tell them that
30:06
the zombies are only going to come out at night. Yeah,
30:09
just have it that way.
30:11
Speaker 2: If we need to stop talking about this, because I'm
30:13
gonna leave and go film it, right and then I'm
30:16
fighting the urge to go call my team.
30:17
Speaker 1: This is you. Also with the zombies, they can come
30:20
out in the daytime. These people don't know because they
30:22
never do it.
30:23
Speaker 2: True, like the five days, it's only at night.
30:25
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then the exactly so some people get snatched
30:29
up in the middle of their house.
30:30
Speaker 2: Oh, we use before as gel blaster. It's almost like airsoft,
30:36
but it doesn't hurt as bad. Oh, it shoots water.
30:38
And these vests that they have set up our sensors
30:42
so you can almost like what you're saying. It's like
30:44
VR laser.
30:44
Speaker 1: Tag, so it lights up when you hit it.
30:47
Speaker 2: Yeah, and there's like an old talking system that says
30:48
like you have this many shots left, you have this much.
30:50
Speaker 1: To see a video? Yeah? Is this a video?
30:53
Speaker 2: We did this at night at somebody's house.
30:54
Speaker 1: Oh you did? Yeah? Yeah? Yeah? When did you do this.
30:57
Speaker 2: A couple months ago?
30:58
Speaker 1: Oh? Nice? I don't oh.
31:01
Speaker 2: Ah wait, actually know that you bout music. But you
31:05
pointed out I have seen like nerve gel blasters. I
31:07
actually never thought of that, So that's I mean, you
31:10
could just redo this out the suits that it makes sense,
31:13
and then re skin the guns because it was like
31:14
a little lame. But yeah, that would.
31:16
Speaker 1: Be I kind of like shotguns.
31:19
Speaker 2: I think you can easily picture the aesthetic you're looking for.
31:23
I gotta I have to find the blend between Joe's
31:26
like recreation of this video and like what I could
31:28
actually do. But there, I actually am more inspired than ever.
31:31
I think it's very doable.
31:32
Speaker 1: It's very doable. You just have to figure out a
31:34
way to make it exciting but still not hurt anybody exactly.
31:37
You know that's not hurt the zombies. You'd have to
31:40
like armorish people up somehow.
31:42
Speaker 2: I mean, well, the thing too is like you know,
31:45
one way, one thing that would help is like if
31:47
the zombies were ex Navy seals or something. Then it's
31:49
a little different than if they were like typical Hollywood
31:51
actors and things like that, which so I've learned for
31:53
like some of these other things, Like it's also who
31:55
you cast to do it, like you know, the Navy.
31:57
If it was like Navy seals dressed up as zombies
31:59
and I paid, well, you know they wouldn't care.
32:02
Speaker 1: But also it could, well it could be like a
32:06
zombie army, like an army some some army somewhere got
32:14
taken over and turned into zombies, and those are the
32:17
people you're fighting against. So you could you could put
32:20
them with like plate carriers on, and you know, you
32:24
could armor them up a little bit so they could
32:26
take some hits behind it. Yeah, it could. It would
32:30
make sense too.
32:32
Speaker 2: I'm broke, I'm sold. I just gotta find an abandoned city.
32:36
Speaker 1: Give them glowing eyes. And that's the only way. You know, that.
32:39
Speaker 2: Podcast is gonna be Joe helping me figure out to
32:41
do zombies.
32:42
Speaker 1: Dude, it would be terrifying. It would imagine his people
32:45
that are in like this city there's no lights, there's
32:49
no electricity, and then at nighttime it goes dark and
32:52
maybe they have flashlights. But each flashlight only has like
32:56
one hour of battery life, and so you have to
32:59
like judiciously use that flashlight throughout the evening. Shut it up,
33:03
you know, so you give like a little extra tension
33:05
that the flashlight's gonna die because you only have one
33:07
hour of flashlight battery. And then you see these red eyes,
33:12
like you give them like a slightly glowing red eye,
33:17
and that's how you can find the zombie.
33:18
Speaker 2: Bro.
33:19
Speaker 1: That would be cool, yeah, And then you just look
33:21
out into the woods.
33:22
Speaker 2: Yeah, I can see the fucking eyes, man, You see
33:24
the eyes. That would be crazy.
33:25
Speaker 1: Yeah.
33:26
Speaker 2: And the other thing too would be because I go to,
33:28
like how do we execute it? We could do it too,
33:30
where like there's like every every day, at like a
33:32
certain period, we pull off all the dead zombies which
33:35
are humans, and we just swap them with like I
33:37
can have recreated versions of them there. So there's like
33:39
actual zombie bodies like piling up right, So as the
33:43
video progresses, they're like literally stepping over like mannequins that
33:46
are set decked identically how the people were so when
33:49
they die, and then they're just like literally stepping on
33:52
zombies as they go abuilding to building, and that'd be crazy.
33:54
Speaker 1: That would be crazy, you know.
33:55
Speaker 2: And actually, because if I put.
33:57
Speaker 1: It many chalk outlines around the zombies so you can
34:00
identify the fact that this one's a dead zombie.
34:03
Speaker 2: Or no, don't you know, let that be the fun part.
34:06
But then we if we put like a crazy prize
34:08
on it, we could do you only get the prize,
34:10
or maybe the prize is split amongst everyone who survives
34:12
the whole ten days or whatever, and then it's like
34:14
to really build up like this crescendo at the end.
34:17
We could have it where the final day there's a
34:19
massive invasion coming or something. So it's like the whole time,
34:22
it's what if like every day more and more camps.
34:25
So day one it was ten, day two is twenty,
34:27
and then fifty and then I'm like, you know, we're
34:29
gonna have four hundred zombies come on the final day.
34:31
So the whole video they're prepping for this like gamer
34:33
Thrones type invasion.
34:35
Speaker 1: Not only that, but the people that get killed by
34:38
the zombie. We think they're out of the game, but
34:40
they actually become zombies. So when you think you won
34:43
at the end, now the final game is you're competing
34:47
against the zombies, the zombies who can't win because they're
34:51
already dead, but they make you lose.
34:53
Speaker 2: Yeah, and they know you're four. You don't actually even
34:55
craziers if instead of well, you know, maybe we have
34:58
Navy seals as the zombies, but also if the contestants
35:01
are like x Navy seals too, so they have like strategy.
35:03
Speaker 1: And would just get the most badass people that you
35:07
can get for this zombie thing, like survivalists, martial artists, like.
35:13
Speaker 4: Yeah, crazy dude, Actually that's not bad, like you know,
35:18
a UFC champion Navy seal like Taekwonda blah blah, and
35:23
it's like, all.
35:23
Speaker 2: Right, what happens if you put six experts in different
35:26
fields together and simulate a real zombie apocalypse. You have
35:29
fifty acres of this abandoned city sealed off, we set
35:32
decked it all, and every day a wave of a
35:35
zombie that gets bigger and bigger until the big Christiando
35:37
at the end hits. You survive it all, you split
35:39
a million dollars.
35:40
Speaker 1: I think the really difficult challenges figuring out a way
35:44
to kill zombies. It's not lame exactly and doesn't hurt anybody.
35:48
Actually doesn't kill people.
35:49
Speaker 2: I don't know that's your your second thought rather of
35:52
but it has.
35:52
Speaker 1: To because if you're hitting them even with the jelsof
35:55
look kind of cool, but it's like pup, pup, pup
35:57
exactly peep poop. No, it's gotta be but bane.
36:00
Speaker 2: And I can add those sounds in post. But we're
36:02
big fans of practical so I'd have my team take
36:04
apart the guns and see if there's some way that
36:05
they can make it even though it's shooting the gel
36:07
like make a bang bang, and then add like the effects,
36:10
and we'd have to reskin the guns to look like
36:12
real guns.
36:13
Speaker 1: And it would have to be some it doesn't have
36:15
to look like real guns because it could be a
36:16
gun from the future. Yeah, because that's.
36:19
Speaker 2: Laying when you think of zombie apocalypse, you think it
36:21
has to look like a gun that they grab from
36:23
some dude to say if that they've found in a house, right,
36:25
that's what a zombie apocalypse is to me.
36:27
Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess, yeah, yeah, So it would have to
36:31
look like a real gun. So that's why I like
36:33
the shotguns with the beanbags and also with a shotgun,
36:36
like you're only going to get so many shells like
36:39
you like, as long as you don't have one of
36:41
those big like Tarran tactical ones that has actually a
36:43
magazine you can hold like fifteen rounds if you can,
36:47
I think a regular shot like a Bonelli. What can
36:50
you put How many shells can you put in one
36:51
of those? I think six, I think maybe six something
36:55
like that is good too. You have a limited amount
36:57
of bullets and reloading is hard. We just got to
36:59
find out, like maybe if it was like twenty gauge,
37:03
maybe it was like twenty gauge shotgun like bird shot
37:06
with with a beam bag, maybe I wouldn't fuck people up,
37:10
but it would make a big bang. Yeah, and you'd
37:12
be hitting them. And if you could find a way
37:16
to light up wherever they got hit, like if you
37:20
could put them in some sort of a suit where
37:23
when they get hit there's like gel.
37:26
Speaker 2: Packs you can the shotguns and people. Yeah, there's just
37:29
not you're so wrong, But he's living. I haven't seen
37:34
his eyes light like this in years.
37:36
Speaker 1: Let him let him no, no, no, no, like a person. Okay, Well,
37:40
I don't know a lot about shotguns, so let's find out.
37:43
Speaker 2: Why we're gonna have someone pint a real shotgun totals.
37:45
Speaker 1: But yeah, you will trust me. We're gonna work this out.
37:49
Speaker 2: You want to you want to help code direct help. Yeah,
37:51
you'll actually see him like the back on one shot joke,
37:55
just like this. He's like, yeah, it's like the Navy
37:57
seals are finding out the zombie.
37:59
Speaker 1: Po I want to be one zombie one night.
38:01
Speaker 2: He's like, everyone's like, who's that bald guy over the shotgun?
38:06
Damage on a zombie? You have to blow their head off?
38:08
Speaker 1: Right?
38:08
Speaker 2: How would you hit damage forever?
38:13
Speaker 1: But it depends on what kind of zombie. Like Walking
38:15
Dead zombies is so stupid. You can stab in the
38:17
head with a pencil and they die. Remember it was
38:19
just going through the head because they would shoot him
38:21
with those crossbows and like Crossman wouldn't even kill a person,
38:25
like with those field tips. They're using field tips. This
38:29
is basically a pencil going through you. It's not like
38:31
a broad head. Like if you shot an animal with
38:34
a with a crossbow, you would use a broad head,
38:36
which is a big sharp blade that cuts a giant
38:39
channel through an animal. But those things are using is
38:43
target points. Like that dude in Walking Dead would drive
38:46
me nuts because it would shoot him in the head.
38:48
It would just stick in their head and then they'd be.
38:50
Speaker 2: Funny because the I watched the same thing and I'm like, oh,
38:53
that's cool, different audience.
38:56
Speaker 1: But it's just all it takes is like one arrow
38:58
to go into your head and you're dead if you're
39:00
a zombie.
39:00
Speaker 2: Yeah, totally.
39:01
Speaker 1: One raw of this is nonsense.
39:03
Speaker 2: Yeah, right, guys watching it, Yeah, one arrow in the head,
39:05
you'd be Yeah.
39:06
Speaker 1: The thing is people have lived. Humans have lived through
39:10
arrows through the head like that accidentally gotten shot in
39:12
the head with a bow and arrow with a field
39:15
tip and lived because it basically just it's like a
39:18
pencil going through your head. Really well, the way people
39:20
die from an arrow is hemorrhage. You die from massive hemorrhage,
39:24
and it's usually because there's a blade, so like this,
39:27
like this is what the Native Americans used to use,
39:30
but this is actually yes, that's an actual arrowhead. But
39:34
the thing about this is when it's attached to a stick,
39:37
this is cutting, so that's causing hemorrhage inside the body.
39:41
The little field tip doesn't.
39:42
Speaker 2: Do that, and the field tip wouldn't puncture enough veins
39:44
where you just bleed to death.
39:45
Speaker 1: Maybe, but most likely not. I mean, if it went
39:48
through your heart, yeah, you'd be dead. But if it
39:50
just goes through like this side of your lungs and
39:52
pokes out your back, you'll live. Wow. Yeah, would you
39:55
want to live? You would be in pain. It would suck,
39:58
It would certainly suck. But it's not like getting hit
40:00
with a broad head. My point is I don't remember
40:03
that point, but if I had a point, it would
40:05
be just it's gonna be a level of shotgun. That's
40:08
the what is the lowest powered shotgun available. It's not
40:13
a I know, twenty gauge is light. I've used those
40:17
before for like shooting clay pigeons, and I've used twelve gauges.
40:23
You don't want to get hit with a twelve gauge,
40:25
even if it's a bean bag.
40:30
Speaker 2: Uh, smallest gaugegun.
40:34
Speaker 1: Oh here we go. Now we're talking. That's a bitch
40:37
ass round. Oh god, let's see what that looks like
40:41
you're shoot up. Let's see what a four to ten
40:46
gauge shotgun or sixty seven gage shotgun looks like when.
40:49
Speaker 2: They shoot dou bullshit gun, I look like it's gonna
40:51
still hurt.
40:51
Speaker 1: No, no, no, you'll be fine.
40:54
Speaker 2: Okay, Can I test it on you?
40:55
Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, just give me a plate carrier and if
40:59
you're gonna use a bean bag, yeah, because that's what
41:01
I'm thinking, Like if you have a chest plate, you know,
41:03
so a plate carrier is bulletproof. Yeah, but what are
41:07
you going to hit everything? You cover up, you cover
41:10
up the shoulders in the arms, you give them like
41:12
military style armor, like body armor, because it's not it's
41:16
none of this is going to penetrate. So if it's
41:18
a bean bag round, what it is is just like
41:21
it's basically a bag. It's gonna like shoot out of
41:25
the shotgun and blast you, But I don't they're not lethal.
41:31
Let me see what it looks like. Just go to
41:33
a video. Just go to a video of lowest powered shotgun.
41:38
That's weird looking. That's cool. That one looks cool.
41:41
Speaker 2: Not exactly what.
41:43
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's dope. I've never seen one of those before. Interesting. Yeah,
41:51
I think it's smallest in terms of like the size
41:53
of it, not not the round itself.
41:57
Speaker 2: This isn't I did ask for lowest powered, but it's
41:59
that's not what people want to click on videos.
42:01
Speaker 1: I know.
42:02
Speaker 2: I feel like most people who buy shotguns. Are looking
42:04
for shotguns that don't.
42:05
Speaker 1: Well, how about this. Look up sixty seven gauge shotgun
42:09
and does it show you a video of that. Okay,
42:12
let's see what it says. Let me see what it
42:14
looks like when it's shooting twelve gauge. Oh, that's a.
42:20
Speaker 2: Big that's what I'm trying to Yeah, so they're like
42:23
modified twelve gauges.
42:25
Speaker 1: That's a lot.
42:26
Speaker 2: I just don't get what the point. The shotgun isn't
42:28
going to kill a zombie.
42:30
Speaker 1: Yeah, but it could. In this game, we have to
42:33
get so close to get a headshot or whatever.
42:35
Speaker 2: It's more fun to get snipers and guides, and.
42:39
Speaker 1: I don't know if you have to use head shots.
42:43
This little kids can shoot a shotgun. So that okay,
42:46
let me see. Can you give me some volume, let
42:49
me hear this. Put back that up a little bit. Yeah,
42:54
that's what we need. We need that kind of shotgun
42:57
with like a bean bag round or a rock song.
43:00
Speaker 2: I got it. The team they're listening, they're on it.
43:02
Speaker 1: Yeah, something where it makes an impact. There's a sound
43:08
like a gun going off, but you can't really kill
43:10
anybody with it. Yeah, this is totally possible. Dude, you'd
43:13
have to have like very strict safety protocols in a
43:17
set though, because one of the things when I was
43:19
in when I first moved to LA in like nineteen
43:22
ninety four, there was a guy that a friend of
43:24
mine actually knew, who was an actor, who was on
43:27
a set, who took a gun that had a blank
43:31
in it and thought it'd be funny to just put
43:32
the thing to his head and pull the trigger. And
43:35
he didn't realize that just the actual air coming out
43:39
of the gun if you put it right to your
43:40
head is lethal, and he blew his brains out. Yeah,
43:43
with a blank, he just didn't.
43:45
Speaker 2: I mean, or like the Alec Baldwin situation, Yeah, that
43:48
was actually probably negligence because it seems like it seems
43:54
like there was an error where they were using like
43:56
real rounds and then they would take the same guns
44:00
that we use like real rounds on a range and
44:02
then take the same guns and bring them to set
44:04
and they didn't clear everything.
44:06
Speaker 1: So I don't know who's responsible for that. I don't
44:09
know what ultimately came out of that. But you're never
44:12
supposed to point a gun, even if it's not loaded.
44:14
You're never supposed to point it gun to someone ever
44:17
in movies now, like if you.
44:19
Speaker 2: Were, I'm like, so HEAs to this whole shotgun thing.
44:22
Welcome back to reality, Joe.
44:24
Speaker 1: We're gonna be fun in movies. You're supposed to Like
44:27
if I was shooting at you in a movie, I'm
44:28
really supposed to shoot over here. Yeah, And I think
44:30
that came out of the movie The Crow because Bruce
44:35
Lee's son died because there was something that was in
44:38
the gun itself. It wasn't even a bullet that killed him.
44:41
It was like there was a particle or something that
44:44
hit him from the blank.
44:46
Speaker 2: When there's effects in CG and everything's so good now too,
44:49
like you probably don't even have to put a blank
44:51
in there. You just overlay the sound effect and I
44:53
mean put the effect and no one would even be
44:55
able to tell.
44:55
Speaker 1: Sometimes too, that's true, but you want something that's scary
44:59
for the actual people. And yeah, so it's more like
45:03
a really light shotgun.
45:05
Speaker 2: And I guess even if you know it's a blank,
45:07
like having a gun pointed at you as an actor,
45:09
it makes you, you know, feel more in this situation too.
45:11
Speaker 1: Probably well just rock salt. If you have a really
45:14
light shotgun. Even if it's a twenty gauge with rock salt,
45:17
it would suck, It would sting. But if you've got
45:20
these guys all protected, and you could find a way
45:25
where when it hits them, like you have gel packs
45:28
on them or something. So if you have them all
45:30
they're in like these like tattered looking white outfits, right,
45:36
and when you hit them, there's red gel packs underneath
45:39
and they splatter. Yeah, and you could you know, if
45:42
you get it.
45:43
Speaker 2: We did something similar when we recreated Swee games. We
45:45
put like squibs on them and they got up and
45:48
so yeah, you'd put like little squibs and then when
45:50
the sensors went off, it would just and liquid would
45:53
go across their body.
45:54
Speaker 1: Yeah, so you could do that. So if you do that,
45:58
actually you could have black and maybe a laser site exactly.
46:04
Speaker 2: That's so where we went with the hungergun stuff is
46:06
laser tag and then it would just trigger squibs if
46:09
you pointed at them. And then maybe in an impost,
46:11
like we'd have a track where the trajectory of or
46:13
the bullets where we could just overlay like the lasers
46:16
or whatever imposts so you could visually see it. But
46:19
obviously in the time you were actually filling. Practically, it
46:22
would just be you know, and as well, you just
46:24
know if you got hit if your suit lit up.
46:26
Speaker 1: And it seems like you could sync up a laser
46:30
tag with an actual blank round so you can make
46:35
the boom and then the laser actually hits the person
46:40
at the same time. Okay, right, Yeah, that wouldn't be
46:43
hard to do because if you have lasers, you have
46:46
guns to shoot lasers. That's what laser tag is. That's
46:48
a pretty simple mechanism. All you would do is have
46:51
like sort of a dual trigger setup where you have
46:54
as you pull the trigger back, you get the explosion
46:57
from the round going off and you also get the
47:00
laser at the same time. Well, so the squibs go off,
47:03
you say the boom, and then the squibs go off,
47:06
and you have it all coordinated together, and then it
47:08
looks wild and so then you have these zombies boom,
47:12
you shoot them, you see splatter all.
47:14
Speaker 2: The other thing we have to figure out is where's
47:17
this going, because if it's going on my YouTube channel,
47:19
we don't usually show gore, and so we might have
47:22
to hit up Amazon. Yeah, where we used to put
47:25
fear factor and stuff, because that that definitely seems like
47:27
a more It's going from like we're usually family friendly
47:30
to now this is very rated R.
47:31
Speaker 1: But it's not family friendly because you're killing zombies.
47:35
Speaker 2: Well yeah, you know, something's family friendly or not if
47:39
you say eliminated instead of killing. So if you're eliminating zombies,
47:43
that's family friendly. If you're killing zombies, no, no, that's
47:46
rated R.
47:47
Speaker 1: Well they're already dead, so you're eliminating them. There.
47:50
Speaker 2: Now we're passion And like you can tell if like
47:53
a show's like for eighteen plus or like thirteen plus,
47:56
if like before they shoot the person or whatever, if
47:59
it cuts away right and like there's all these little things.
48:01
Not that we even this could be wild. I mean
48:04
it could be if some streaming platform was like, yo,
48:07
here's whatever whatever, blank check, just make it happen.
48:10
Speaker 1: Oh my Amazon should do it. They need people who
48:12
over there anyway.
48:12
Speaker 2: Yeah, or I mean really even Netflix is anyone? Yeah,
48:15
Like it's it's the biggest no brainer in the history
48:17
I've ever like that. Actually, the fact that no one's
48:19
recreated this is kind of absurd when you think about it.
48:21
But it's also like if traditional you know, independent of
48:24
like the shock and stuff you're talking about, Like a
48:26
traditional people with traditional world views did this, it'd be
48:28
so stringent and structured and stuff like that, where was
48:31
like we if we did it with like the Beast
48:33
Games mindset, where it's just like there's cameras everywhere, they
48:36
can truly do whatever the hell they want and it's
48:38
not like this like guarded thing and it's an actual
48:41
abandoned city. Oh my gosh, it would go crazy.
48:44
Speaker 1: Now we need a task, We need a goal that
48:47
the goal would survival, right, but maybe survival while you're
48:52
trying to accomplish something.
48:53
Speaker 2: Okay, Well, then this is like a mechanism that usually
48:56
would work well is the tasks every day will grow
48:59
the prize pool. And if it's on a streaming platform,
49:01
then the prize bool could be crazy.
49:03
Speaker 1: Right.
49:03
Speaker 2: It doesn't have to be a million dollars. They could
49:04
grow to a ten million theore if they weren't being cheap,
49:07
and so then it could be like every day, if
49:09
you complete the task, I put a million dollars in
49:11
the prize pool. Each episode's one whole day, it's ten episodes,
49:14
ten days, and so they could technically grow the prize
49:16
bowl to ten million dollars. You put some like you
49:18
know the UFC people and like you know Navy seals
49:21
and like these hardcore people, and you tell them like
49:22
they could potentially share ten million dollars for they would
49:25
be trying their butts off those ten days. The footage
49:27
would be crazy. I mean they would probably be like
49:29
practicing during the day, like their rotations and everything on,
49:32
like holding off zombies. It would it would be really cool.
49:35
Speaker 1: Yeah, they would run training routes exactly. You know what's
49:38
really interesting. We'd have to figure out how the zombies
49:40
get them because you don't want physical conflict between the
49:44
stunt people, the zombie people, and the contestants. You don't
49:47
want to actually fight exactly right, So like yep, would
49:50
have to have rules as to what.
49:52
Speaker 2: It would probably be. It might default intuition is if
49:55
the zombie just purely touches you, then you're just dead.
49:58
Like we wouldn't be able to take any further than that,
50:00
you know, but if they.
50:01
Speaker 1: Like rite like twenty eight days later, zombies all they
50:03
have to do is like scratch you.
50:05
Speaker 2: Yeah, or breathe in front of you, yeah, exactly. But
50:07
in this case, if they touch you, that way, it's
50:09
not like the Navy seal like pushing and flipping them off,
50:11
like because if you went to push them or touch them,
50:13
then you'd be out. So people be keeping their distance.
50:15
But even then it'd get pretty crazy if they're like
50:18
cause they're obviously they would run and they'd be chase
50:20
scenes and stuff. So honestly, like I know some great
50:23
sunt choreographers like Can and a bunch of other people.
50:25
I would just call them and be like, Yo, how
50:27
do I do this? And they'd probably be like, oh,
50:29
Here's what I would do it or whatever. Do this
50:31
could be mad, Yeah, this could be a mad To
50:34
set the stage, it's like abandoned city, dozens of acres
50:38
sealed off, Like I could literally build like a wall
50:41
around it, so the seals and whoever the contestants know
50:43
like this is the edge they're walled in, and then
50:46
uh yeah, they're walking around. And then we have some
50:48
of the best set designers in the world come in
50:51
and like basically we'd pick a time in the future.
50:53
We'd say this is fifty years in the future, and
50:55
they would match exactly what all these buildings would look
50:58
like fifty years from now. They put vines on if
51:00
there's a gas station, they'd go through and like this
51:02
is what would happened to Durridos fifty years from now,
51:04
and they'd literally mirrored identically across you know, one hundred buildings.
51:08
And then we had dropped, we'd have a helicopter fly
51:10
in drop them off, and then it's like, you know,
51:12
every day, like we could have like an eagle flyover
51:14
and drop their tasks to day and then in the
51:16
middle of the city's a million Oh, that's what we
51:18
could do the prize school in the middle of the
51:19
zombies touch it as well, then they lose the money,
51:22
so they're not only defending themselves but also the prize spool,
51:24
so in the middle of the city, so that's why
51:25
they have to build a fort around it. And then
51:27
every day, if they complete their crazy task right, which
51:30
is distracting them from building their fort, then a helicopter
51:33
will drop another million dollars on their prize pool. So
51:36
then it's like so episode one, they complete the task
51:39
before the zombies come at night, and then it's like
51:41
I come in on a helicopter, we have a rope
51:43
lower down. A million dollars is massive in ones right,
51:46
and then it on hooks and now they have two
51:48
million dollars there, like, good luck, guys. And if there's
51:51
six of them, then it's like you're now if you survive,
51:53
are all winning over three hundred thousand dollars. And then
51:56
you know, but if you grow the prize school to
51:57
six million dollars without getting eliminated, you're all million in
52:00
nine days. Probably that would be crazy. And then yeah,
52:03
the zombies come in. We figure out the practical guns
52:06
with the right sound effects.
52:07
Speaker 1: And yeah, practical guns, right sound effects and what what
52:11
entails you getting killed by a zombie? Yeah? How do they?
52:14
Speaker 2: And the other thing too to make it fun is
52:16
if a zombie eliminates one of you, they get one
52:18
six of the prize for or whatever. So then now
52:20
the zombies are incentivized right to try to So then
52:23
it's like if a zombie touches the Navy seal whatever
52:25
the way is, it's like congrat's now you're a millionaire.
52:28
If it's later on, so then like as it goes on,
52:30
things are gonna get really tense on both sides and
52:32
they'll be really cool, Yeah, dude, because that's how you
52:36
take it where people don't want to be zombies. So
52:38
now they're like excited to be zombies. They're like, ooh,
52:40
I actually sneak up behind them, and I get a.
52:43
Speaker 1: Million people are gonna want to be zombies anyway.
52:45
Speaker 2: True, because it's gonna look sick.
52:46
Speaker 1: It's gonna be sick.
52:47
Speaker 2: Honestly, I would want to be a zombie that just
52:50
like imagine walking in a horde and role playing being
52:52
a zombie. That actually be a pretty cool time.
52:53
Speaker 1: After it's so sick, you're it's total pitch black, there's
52:56
no power, no electricity. You just see red eyes in
52:59
the woods. Oh well, these dudes are sneaking in, and
53:02
you'd have to have some sort of rules, like how
53:04
the zombies can move, whether they can run, whether they
53:07
can you know what I mean, because like we have
53:09
to decide these twenty eight days later zombies that run
53:12
at you, or these like walking dead zombies that are
53:15
like kind of like we'd.
53:16
Speaker 2: Probably start off that way, but they evolve with time.
53:19
And I'm a big fan of Like usually when you
53:21
have like people who are playing some rules, they usually
53:24
end up going rogue. It's really hard to get hundreds
53:26
of people to do like certain things, like you know,
53:29
in an unscripted, sandboxed environment, So we would have to
53:32
constrict them in a way where like if we didn't
53:33
want them to move past a certain speed, we'd probably
53:35
have to figure out some way to put like a
53:37
chain around their feet or something that physically wouldn't allow
53:39
them to do it. Or like if you have three
53:41
hundred zombies going, right, you can't redo it, right, Like
53:44
if one of those zombies goes rogue and scratch, it's
53:46
like I can't reshoot the shell, right. That's what's so
53:49
high stakes about the things we do world, So we'd
53:52
have to physically make it where they couldn't do things
53:55
they're not supposed to do in a perfect world. Or
53:57
when if you have three hundred people, have two percent
53:59
go rogue, that's still six zombies going rogue, which is brutal.
54:02
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54:04
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intended for a United States audience. Yeah, it is brutal,
55:04
but I think I think with proper planning, if you
55:08
really sit down and plan out what the what the
55:12
zombies task is, what it means, and like what these
55:16
people are doing and what what goals are they trying
55:20
to achieve while they're there and while they're defending against zombies.
55:23
You got to give them stuff to do during the
55:26
day so that they're fully occupied so they can't sleep. Okay,
55:30
it's really important. Like the more they do during the day,
55:34
it optimizes the amount of money they can win. Like
55:37
as they complete tasks. If they stay alive, they have
55:40
a higher threshold, whereas someone just fucking sleeps all day
55:44
and doesn't get anything done.
55:45
Speaker 2: Even if they survive, they can't make any money.
55:49
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying.
55:49
Speaker 2: And that works that these are you know, hardcore like people,
55:52
so it's good. Like if I have normal contestants, they'd
55:55
be like, oh, this is horrible.
55:56
Speaker 1: You want that though you want people to bitch out,
55:59
You want a few people to because that there's always
56:01
gonna be people that you.
56:02
Speaker 2: Are hold to different standards, and that if I did that,
56:04
there would be maybe ten trillion articles are about how
56:08
I'm the most evil man on the planet. But if
56:10
I made it too hard where people couldn't sleep.
56:12
Speaker 1: For one now, oh listen, you can't read those articles.
56:14
Fuck those people. You just got to make an awesome show. You.
56:17
The awesome show is you keep these motherfuckers awake and
56:20
you make it so that they can choose to sleep
56:22
if they want. But there are tasks to achieve, and
56:26
if you can complete these tasks, you have a potential
56:29
to make a lot of money. But if you don't
56:31
complete the tasks, you can't make any money even if
56:34
you survive.
56:34
Speaker 2: Sold Amazon, Netflix, whoever wants it, let us know, Like.
56:38
Speaker 1: Right, you got to keep these motherfuckers wake so that
56:41
nighttime is terrifying. Can you imagine seeing people sitting there
56:44
with their shotgun and opening their eyes and looking out
56:49
seeing red.
56:49
Speaker 2: Eyes we get a tights out of their faces and
56:52
as they're sleep and then one of the other guys
56:54
go zombies in your bang bang and then they wake
56:56
up and they grab their gun.
56:57
Speaker 1: Well, that's the problem of people randomly shooting wild while
57:01
there's other people around them. So it kind of would
57:04
have to be blanks and lasers because now that I'm
57:07
thinking about it, like people are gonna spaz out and
57:09
accidentally shoot some of the face. It is where especially
57:11
if they're tired.
57:12
Speaker 2: I've done uh, I mean, obviously you did unscripted with
57:15
but I've done lots of unscripted stuff with lots of people,
57:17
and exactly when you're talking about the shotgun stuff, I'm like,
57:20
you know, there's just no shot in hell that you
57:22
would we'd ever be able to. It would have to
57:24
be like but I love the jae rounds, and we
57:25
could do it in a way where we set that
57:27
the guns where it looks really cool and we can
57:29
recreate the sound effect. But then jeel rounds like it's
57:31
essentially like the nerve ones now I'm remembering them like
57:33
they're like water that explodes on impact. Those would be perfect.
57:36
Speaker 1: Yeah, but you want blanks because you want the bang. Well,
57:40
you want the bang for the people, for the psychological effect,
57:43
the fear. It's in the middle of the night, it's dark,
57:46
you're making a bang go off, the flash of the
57:48
bang going off. Yeah, and then maybe to avoid people
57:53
being able to shoot each other, maybe at nighttime they're
57:56
completely separated. Maybe at night time.
57:59
Speaker 2: You want them to get I'm telling you, like if
58:01
they built a fort around the money. What you want
58:03
in the shots is you always want to people to
58:06
be able to tell what they're competing for and like
58:08
they're why and you usually but you don't want to
58:10
have to say it, right. You don't want to have
58:11
to say, oh, I'm competing for this money. But if
58:13
you have the money in the background the shot, intutally,
58:14
viewers will be like, that's what they're competing for. So
58:16
like a fort built around it where they have walls
58:19
and they're standing on it and you see the money
58:20
behind them in the shots, like intutally to a view.
58:22
You're gonna instantly understand the motivation and it's gonna be
58:26
like I mean, it would just be so crazy the shots.
58:28
Speaker 1: Maybe it's like a super advanced game of hide and
58:31
seek at night where the people can't talk. They have
58:36
to be very quiet because the zombies are have like
58:40
hyper hearing, Like you give the zombies like walker game ears.
58:43
You know what those things are. No, it's like do
58:45
you ever go to a gun range? Yeah, because you
58:48
know you have those headphones and you can you can
58:50
hear everything else way louder, but when guns go off,
58:54
it kills volume above a certain amount of decibels, so
58:58
they can hear everything. So a few years the zombies, like,
59:02
we'll be able to key in on it. They'll know
59:05
where the people are. And these people have to hide
59:09
from the zombies at night.
59:11
Speaker 2: True, because I guess the other thing is if they
59:13
built the fort around it, how would the zombies even
59:15
get to them?
59:16
Speaker 1: Right? So instead of that, you have people that are
59:19
trying to hide. So you got these zombies slowly creeping
59:23
through these abandoned buildings looking for people.
59:26
Speaker 2: We'd have to get it to with them where the
59:27
seals and stuff couldn't like lock doors or anything, right
59:30
because no locks.
59:31
Speaker 1: So basically no doors have locks. That's what makes the
59:34
hide and go seek so good. All the handles or
59:36
all the doors are removed, there's no locks.
59:38
Speaker 2: So every every night, maybe we would brainstorm it more.
59:41
But theoretically they all have to hide in a different
59:43
building or something. They couldn't be in the same building,
59:46
and the zombies scatter across the city, and then wherever
59:49
you are in the building, people have to be able
59:51
to get to you. The zombies have to be able
59:52
to get to you unrestricted, right, Yeah, And so maybe
59:54
before we release the zombies, we'd have a producer just
59:57
go in and walk a path. All right, there's a
59:59
factual where you could die to a zombie.
1:00:01
Speaker 1: This is good.
1:00:02
Speaker 2: And then we let them lose that make sure there's
1:00:04
no cheating.
1:00:05
Speaker 1: There's something this would be wild.
1:00:07
Speaker 2: This Honestly, this is one of those things where I
1:00:10
say this to my team credit. It's either gonna be
1:00:12
like the worst show imaginable that people clown on, or
1:00:15
it's gonna be like the number one show ever, and
1:00:17
there's no in between, Like you don't do this like
1:00:19
kinda a right where people are like I like it. It's
1:00:21
either like cringe, we failed, this sucks, or it's like
1:00:24
this is the greatest thing ever. Why did this not
1:00:26
exist before? Like The Walking Dead or what's the HBO
1:00:29
show called The One with the Last of Us? Yeah,
1:00:31
the Last of Us in real life? Like how has
1:00:33
no one done this?
1:00:34
Speaker 1: You know what I mean?
1:00:34
Speaker 2: Like actual, true simulation, and like if we executed it properly,
1:00:38
I really could see it being like a number one
1:00:39
show in the world type thing that people would like.
1:00:41
Because also you have to think, like the world is
1:00:43
ran by clips these days, and you know, on like
1:00:46
TikTok feeds, Instagram meals and YouTube shorts and like, it
1:00:49
is arguably the most clippable thing ever. Like any ten
1:00:52
second scene of that you could just throw on YouTube
1:00:54
shorts and go viral because it's freaking zombies getting shot
1:00:56
at and you.
1:00:57
Speaker 1: Know how cool they could make those masks look. Yeah,
1:01:00
a real special effects guy to work on those masks. Yeah,
1:01:03
like one of those experts.
1:01:05
Speaker 2: Search up mister B's zombies. We have a video on
1:01:07
our channel from like I mean, god knows all ago
1:01:09
seven years ago where we we did like make like
1:01:12
a mini zombie Horde, but not like in a simulation
1:01:14
like this just for fun to see how people in
1:01:16
publicer to react and like the it looks disgusting. The
1:01:19
things they were able to do, it's pretty crazy.
1:01:21
Speaker 1: Yeah, special modern special effects and make up artists. They
1:01:24
could do amazing stuff.
1:01:25
Speaker 2: Man, go if you can find like a close up
1:01:28
on my face or like it was like crazy, we
1:01:32
we just brought in people. Yeah, like like that kind
1:01:34
of stuff, like look at my face right there, like
1:01:36
pose it. It's freaking wild, dude.
1:01:40
Speaker 1: You could totally do something like that on the outside
1:01:43
of one of those masks.
1:01:44
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, Yeah, that that was really all.
1:01:49
Speaker 1: That's the look you what yours looks like with like
1:01:51
the teeth and everything and fucked up flash. That is
1:01:54
the mask exactly. So you take that hard airsoft mask
1:01:58
and you put that shit on it.
1:01:59
Speaker 2: The problem. I want to go work on this now
1:02:01
we go. So it's funny. I have this thing where
1:02:06
this might sound like crazy to some people, but when
1:02:09
you can you know, when you feel your heart ache elevated,
1:02:10
When I talk about an idea and I can feel
1:02:12
my heart achet old, I'm usually like that's a good
1:02:14
indicator that it's like a good idea. Because I'm getting
1:02:17
like due this is a good idea. Yeah, I know,
1:02:18
I can literally feel or not anymore, But like a
1:02:20
couple of minutes ago, I could feel my heart beating
1:02:22
because I was getting excited. And it's like that usually
1:02:25
almost always correlates with people, because if I'm getting excited
1:02:28
talking about it, you have to think, like a lot
1:02:30
of things right now are because of TikTok and reels
1:02:33
and stuff. They go viral because of word of mouth,
1:02:35
and so like if just talking about the idea get
1:02:37
someone excited, then that usually means like a lot of
1:02:40
people are just going to talk about it. And if
1:02:42
a lot of people talking about obviously a lot of
1:02:43
people watch it. And so that's why I call it
1:02:45
kind of like the heart rate effect. Like that, that's
1:02:47
like my number one signal that like, people are going
1:02:49
to talk about this and freaking love it.
1:02:50
Speaker 1: If I can see it, I can see scenes, I
1:02:54
can see darkness starting to settle in on the town,
1:02:57
and I can see the people like trying to figure
1:02:59
out where to hie and what to do.
1:03:00
Speaker 2: And the eyes that that was genius.
1:03:02
Speaker 1: Yeah, dude, I could see that.
1:03:04
Speaker 2: It's interesting because it's like combining the vin diagram of us. Right,
1:03:07
you're kind of representative of the very like, uh, I
1:03:10
don't know, you're like just ability to really think deeply
1:03:14
of like what makes it fucking cool and and you're
1:03:17
really hyper fixating on what makes the zombies cool and
1:03:20
like the realistic nature of it, and I'm hyper fixating
1:03:23
on just kind of the overall set design and things.
1:03:25
There's like a Vin diagram in the middle where we
1:03:27
combined like the two like obsessions, and it really like
1:03:30
merges together and makes something beautiful.
1:03:32
Speaker 1: Yeah. Man, and you could also have like not just zombies,
1:03:36
you could have like some other things that are out
1:03:39
there too that can get people.
1:03:41
Speaker 2: Can get ten days on his schedule, can he do
1:03:43
one of the Oh well, the actually no, because you wouldn't.
1:03:46
You don't need the money. But it would be cool
1:03:47
if you were competing in it, because then that would
1:03:50
be insane.
1:03:51
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's too much time, exactly.
1:03:53
Speaker 2: Just cancel some podcasts.
1:03:55
Speaker 1: I like the idea of it, though, how about we
1:03:57
or never mine?
1:03:58
Speaker 2: You pick them up in the car to take them
1:03:59
till podcasts they're like, oh, woops, we're in an abandoned city.
1:04:03
Oh here's your shotgun. You talk about a year ago Joe, Well, anyway,
1:04:06
zombies are coming tonight. What he's gonna leave and not
1:04:08
shoot zombies?
1:04:09
Speaker 1: Come on? Have you ever done Sandbox vru?
1:04:14
Speaker 2: Is that the one where it's like the You just
1:04:16
go in and there's random worlds and you can walk
1:04:17
around on uh huh.
1:04:18
Speaker 1: It's a warehouse. You go in there and they have
1:04:21
fans and stuff, so it like simulates like the wind.
1:04:24
And you go in there and you put on a
1:04:26
headset and you put on a haptic feedback vest. And
1:04:29
one of them is called Deadwood Mansion. That's my favorite one. Okay,
1:04:32
And you go in there and you shoot zombies. You're
1:04:34
in a mansion. You're in this like abandoned mansion and
1:04:37
rats come out and zombies and there's guys in the ceiling.
1:04:40
It's fucking awesome. Yeah, you would love it, but you
1:04:42
might get some ideas if you do that, because you.
1:04:45
Speaker 2: Mean, we we're co producing. You're okay, you invest in.
1:04:48
You just spent thirty four minutes on whatever podcast like
1:04:52
riven on it.
1:04:52
Speaker 1: Well there's something to it, man, I just I see
1:04:55
it in my head. I'm like, that would be an
1:04:57
amazing show. I just see these people like in the
1:05:00
like in a parking structure, like setting up, getting ready,
1:05:05
and the sun's coming down and they're like, look, we
1:05:07
got it. We have about twenty minutes of daylight left. Yeah,
1:05:10
and you realize, like, god, I'm so fucking tired.
1:05:12
Speaker 2: Well, and they're like, there's still two hundred thousand dollars left
1:05:15
we could earn today. But media start prepping this and
1:05:18
one guy's just a hell and another guy's like we're
1:05:20
gonna lose if you do that, and the like infighting
1:05:23
and stuff as we're getting like dramatic, like you know,
1:05:25
bu roull of it from like wide shot because everything
1:05:28
too could be shot really far away, so like it's
1:05:31
like lenses are punching in and so it's not like
1:05:33
there's a camera kurwano.
1:05:34
Speaker 1: And you could have each day when it's tasks, right,
1:05:37
so you have to accomplish something, and the more you accomplish,
1:05:39
the more money you could potentially make. Each day is
1:05:42
an escape room, so every day there's new puzzles to solve,
1:05:47
and then you're getting fucking tired because.
1:05:49
Speaker 2: You actually this escape room is a good, a good
1:05:52
through way to do the task. It's not like some
1:05:53
goofy stuff like move this rock, from one side to that,
1:05:56
but like an actual escape room, and maybe the million
1:05:58
dollars that win each day is inside. I'd like like,
1:06:01
so it could be like I drop a volt every
1:06:03
day in the middle and then like you have to
1:06:04
do a series of things to figure out the combination
1:06:06
that are hard and then yeah, and you solve it,
1:06:09
then it goes on the money pot.
1:06:10
Speaker 1: Have you done many escape rooms?
1:06:12
Speaker 2: Like I live in Greenville, North Carolina, there's not like
1:06:15
many there, so.
1:06:16
Speaker 1: Me and my family would do them everywhere we go.
1:06:18
They're fucking awesome, and the best ones are in Vegas.
1:06:21
They have Insane. They have an IT one in Vegas,
1:06:23
IT one in IT two and it's fucking incredible. It's
1:06:28
so good, and it's huge. It's like thirty thousand square
1:06:30
feet this place. And they actually have Pennywise the clown.
1:06:33
They have an actor who wears the fucking suit and
1:06:35
looks just like penny Wise and scares the shit out
1:06:37
of you. It's amazing. But those kind of people, You
1:06:41
could recruit those kind of people to design puzzles and
1:06:44
things where people have to do every day, and then
1:06:47
you're dealing with sleep deprivation and people having to work
1:06:50
together and now, oh my god, dude, and I.
1:06:52
Speaker 2: Know the perfect people for it. We did for Salesforce.
1:06:56
We did their Super Bowl commercial this year, and in
1:06:58
the commercial, I hit a million in it. Like basically,
1:07:01
if you watch the commercial just with your computer and
1:07:03
the commercial, you could win a million dollars. And there's
1:07:05
like a bunch of random clues and puzzles hidden through
1:07:07
it and uh over And so the first thing it
1:07:10
did take took you to a website that just like
1:07:12
loosely explained it. Over sixty million people visited that site
1:07:15
and attempted it, but it still took weeks for people
1:07:18
to find the million dollars. And it's like one of
1:07:20
the craziest internet like puzzle hunts ever because it would
1:07:23
like take you to this website, which when then would
1:07:25
take you to this other one where you'd have to
1:07:26
call a number and like it's a four hour voicemail,
1:07:29
but like at the very end, I would like say
1:07:31
like one, two, three, four eight and blah blah blah,
1:07:33
and if you weren't recording this, you're gonna have to
1:07:34
listen to all four hours again. Hang of, and then
1:07:36
it's just like sending you everywhere, and uh it's basically
1:07:39
like one hundred of the most complex puzzles on the Internet,
1:07:42
and like it took this like group of like really
1:07:44
high level puzzle solvers almost an entire month to solve
1:07:47
it with a million dollars on the line, and millions
1:07:49
of people were trying it, and there's a whole subred
1:07:51
and dedicated to it, and so I just I just
1:07:54
basically went on red and I got all the like
1:07:55
the most cracked out like puzzle solvers in the world.
1:07:58
And I was like, if you had unlimited budget, how
1:08:00
you make the most insane puzzle ever? And then that's
1:08:02
what they came up with. And it was like it's
1:08:04
like hard to even articulate the steps on it. Like
1:08:07
some of it was, uh, how do even I don't
1:08:10
even know how to describe it. It was like so complicated.
1:08:11
Like sometimes there's like a page with like a bunch
1:08:14
of buttons on it, like a million buttons, but only
1:08:16
one works and you have to go through and click
1:08:17
it all. And so some of them were mundane, and
1:08:19
then other stuff is like you know, paragraphic texts and
1:08:21
you have to like use some old language like decipher
1:08:23
the text to figure out what the words were, and
1:08:25
so like each puzzle required like a different skill set
1:08:28
to like get through it.
1:08:30
Speaker 1: Yeah I could. I could think of all sorts of
1:08:33
different things you could have these people do, like during
1:08:36
the day, these different tasks, different puzzles that they have
1:08:39
to solve.
1:08:41
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's like languages. I didn't even know it exists.
1:08:43
So like in the commercial, I'm wearing a belt that
1:08:45
just had different colors on it, but if you put
1:08:47
the colors in order, it like translates to this thing.
1:08:49
And like, I mean, I don't even understand what half
1:08:51
the things were, but people were able to figure it
1:08:53
out eventually, Like they're they're just showing me, like, oh,
1:08:56
this represents Braille, these dots, and so we put them
1:08:58
in this way, and then if you combine it with
1:09:00
these colors, and it got like pretty insane and at
1:09:02
least so it all ties back to like the super
1:09:04
Bowl commercial and like all every little thing in there,
1:09:07
and like one part of the puzzles you have to
1:09:09
find locations on a map and like in the commercial,
1:09:11
I'm hold up a grenade and it's like a one
1:09:13
plus question mark equals is like whatever, and it ends
1:09:18
up being like but the text is yellow and like
1:09:21
it's like a stone was drawing on it and like
1:09:23
it basically meant yellow stone, and then you put in
1:09:26
yellowstone in like this location thing on a different website
1:09:28
and then it unlocks this and you had to draw
1:09:30
like a circle on a globe. It got like pretty
1:09:32
crazy and wow, yeah, I know, which is why like
1:09:35
tens of millions of people attempted it. But it took
1:09:37
almost a month for someone to win a million dollars
1:09:39
and like there's a million dollars on line and all
1:09:41
you needed to win it was your computer. So it
1:09:43
was like pretty cool to see like communities form and
1:09:45
like people were doing like daily like podcasts and updates
1:09:47
on it of like what the next like step of
1:09:50
the puzzle were. Because what you'll see in these puzzles
1:09:52
too is like because we also did one years ago.
1:09:54
I love doing these like online scavenger hunts that with
1:09:56
just your computer you can win a bunch of money
1:09:57
and you'll see like when some like one person will
1:10:00
solve a thing and then hundreds of people will solve
1:10:03
it right afterwards because they'll go post it on Reddit
1:10:05
or they're working in groups, and so it will be
1:10:07
like standstill at like step forty two, you know no
1:10:10
one's there, and then you'll just see one person goes
1:10:12
on this website that's step forty two, and then tens
1:10:14
of thousands of people would go there. But then as
1:10:17
you get closer to the end, you stop seeing that effect.
1:10:19
They start being more secretive and quiet about it, and
1:10:22
so it's pretty cool to see like the psychology of
1:10:24
how they do it.
1:10:24
Speaker 1: You could have these people completely unarmed in the beginning,
1:10:28
and the only way they can get guns is to
1:10:30
solve puzzles.
1:10:31
Speaker 2: Yeah, or just find them, right, because if it's a
1:10:33
big city, we just.
1:10:34
Speaker 1: Go, well, maybe that's the puzzle. The puzzle is finding guns,
1:10:37
Like if there's some sort of a some sort of
1:10:39
a puzzle and if you unlock that, it'll give you
1:10:43
the location of where guns are.
1:10:44
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, and maybe, uh, you know what. I also
1:10:48
think of like fun stuff too, Like we could give
1:10:50
them like there could be a gun safe or armory
1:10:52
in this city, but it's like they have to like
1:10:54
break into it, right, and that could just be a
1:10:56
thing that takes like a ton of time, Like so
1:10:59
they have to go find you know, maybe one of
1:11:01
the contestants. We make sure it's like certified and like
1:11:04
explosives and stuff, and there's they have to like oh no, no,
1:11:07
shot a stream platform and be okay with this. But
1:11:09
it would be cool if we let them like there's
1:11:11
like mixtures and stuff to make a bomb hidden throughout
1:11:13
the thing, and they have to go find it and
1:11:14
he makes like a moxy form, puts it on it
1:11:16
and you know, and then that's how they get in
1:11:18
the gun safe. But maybe it's more like what's that
1:11:21
hack sell or whatever, and it's like we make you
1:11:23
get a safe where if you hack sell it for
1:11:25
like ten hours, you can like break the lock on
1:11:27
it and get in. So then someone just has to
1:11:28
stand there and hold it.
1:11:29
Speaker 1: Or you give people a stethoscope and a book on
1:11:33
how to crack safe true, and you have like click
1:11:36
click and try to figure it out.
1:11:38
Speaker 2: Yeah, and someone's just like there for like two days straight.
1:11:41
But then if he gets in, it's just just straight
1:11:43
loaded with amos. So it's like a risk reward.
1:11:45
Speaker 1: There are old school safes that you can do that too.
1:11:48
I don't know if they can do that with the
1:11:49
new ones. But if you have like an old school safe,
1:11:52
or you just actually hear the tumblrs turning exactly click.
1:11:55
Speaker 2: Well, we could also just build the lock, I mean
1:11:58
the beauty with the team like cars, like it's possible,
1:12:01
just like get the safe that looks esthetically how you
1:12:03
want and then just replace the lock, right.
1:12:05
Speaker 1: Yeah, just make it so that it's fixed, it's solvable, complicated, yeah.
1:12:10
Speaker 2: Yeah, because then it's like, well, I'm a big fan
1:12:13
of when they have agency and so it's like, you know,
1:12:16
it's like we could even lay it out there like
1:12:18
this will take days to solve, and so you could
1:12:20
spend days going collecting guns, or days making money to
1:12:22
grow the prize pool, or you could spend days trying
1:12:25
to get lucky on this like safe that is doable,
1:12:27
but there's no guarantee you figured it out, and having
1:12:29
tons of stuff like that. That's what like makes it interesting
1:12:32
too for the viewer because you're like, I love in
1:12:34
these kind of reality shows where a viewer can ask
1:12:37
what would I do? Right? Yes, And that's why it
1:12:39
tends to be what like people in families when they
1:12:42
watch together, they love, like like in beat Skins, when
1:12:44
I offer someone a million dollars, but you have to
1:12:46
limit your friends, you know, Sometimes people turn down the
1:12:48
million dollars. Sometimes people take the million dollars and eliminate their friends,
1:12:51
and like that's an interesting thing to go. Well, if
1:12:53
I was in their spot, I don't care, Like it's
1:12:55
a million dollars. The point is to make money. That's
1:12:57
why I'm on the show.
1:12:58
Speaker 1: Take the k.
1:12:58
Speaker 2: But other people see that and they're like, no, like,
1:13:00
my integrity is worth you know. I wouldn't take a
1:13:02
billion dollars over of my integrity, right and for you know,
1:13:04
and some people, you know, even though it's a game show,
1:13:07
they're like, no, I care, you know, and so but
1:13:10
giving them like these kind of dilemmas all throughout it too.
1:13:13
So then as a viewer I can be like, yeah,
1:13:15
well I wouldn't do that. I would just go scavenge,
1:13:17
you know, it'd be cool.
1:13:18
Speaker 1: Also, you could make it so that Ammo and certain
1:13:22
supplies are only available at night, so.
1:13:26
Speaker 2: They're incentivized to move out.
1:13:27
Speaker 1: You have to go out. You have to decide whether
1:13:31
or not it's worth getting caught, whether or not you
1:13:34
can sneak around and grab the AMMO, and then you
1:13:37
also have to find it. You have to find the AMMO,
1:13:39
maybe find food, find supplies, like supplies are left in
1:13:43
duffel bags had night.
1:13:45
Speaker 2: You know out bro, there's so many ways we could
1:13:47
take this. Something that would be cool is every night
1:13:49
we move their pile of money into a random building
1:13:52
that they don't know, but it's all pre selected so
1:13:54
it's not worth screwing them. So like we as producers
1:13:57
know the ten buildings each episode, So then night comes
1:14:00
come in, lift up the money, and we put like
1:14:02
a hellcout re, literally lifts it up, puts it on
1:14:04
top of a different building. So now they have to
1:14:06
get set up in this building to defend it. But
1:14:08
they weren't planned on it, so that's why. Because also, yeah,
1:14:10
that's the other thing you have to make where every
1:14:12
episode's not the same. So then now every night time
1:14:14
would be different because they're in a different building and
1:14:16
they yeah, yeah, that's cool.
1:14:21
Speaker 1: And finding like having like random Ammo caches. Maybe during
1:14:26
the day they have to solve the puzzle that lets
1:14:30
them acquire a map, and then they have to figure
1:14:33
out where these random Ammo dumps are and supply dumps
1:14:37
are and food dumps are, so they're already hidden. Actually
1:14:41
you know what, you have to go out at night
1:14:42
to find them.
1:14:43
Speaker 2: It would be really cool is if we can find
1:14:44
an abandon city that had like miles away, like some
1:14:48
other little location that we could like. So they find
1:14:50
a map and it's like, yeah, on the other side
1:14:52
of those woods, but it's like a ten mile hike,
1:14:54
you know what I mean? And so could you get there,
1:14:55
go grab tons of ammo, and then get back before nighttime? Right,
1:14:59
And so then that that's also like I'm a big
1:15:01
fan of like seeing diversity and biodiversity, so things don't
1:15:03
feel repetitive. So then they're going to a different city,
1:15:05
but they're a million or whatever. The price pool is
1:15:07
still in the other one, so you have to go
1:15:08
and then come back to defend it at night. And
1:15:10
so it's like now you get like you can like
1:15:12
dual cut because you can have the people in the city,
1:15:15
you have the people journeying through the woods, and it's
1:15:16
like interesting to cut back and forth.
1:15:18
Speaker 1: And then if they go out to that city and
1:15:20
they make the journey and they realize it's going to
1:15:22
take us ten hours to solve this. By that time,
1:15:25
it'll be two in the morning, it's already gonna be dark.
1:15:27
We should go back now, No fuck it.
1:15:29
Speaker 2: We're here exactly, and the agency, right, do they stay
1:15:32
and spend the night there and trust their friends, and
1:15:34
they have no maybe no walkie talking, so they can't communicate.
1:15:37
And the friends are like holding down a flour with
1:15:39
a million dollars on top, and they're like, where the
1:15:41
heck are they? It's they're like, and we get so
1:15:43
many cool shots like that.
1:15:45
Speaker 1: You know, there's so I mean, we've only done this
1:15:47
in an hour, right an hour or so, there's so
1:15:50
many different possibilities. If you just sat down and worked,
1:15:53
it must be so fun to do what you.
1:15:54
Speaker 2: Do, dude, exactly, Well, this is se What we're doing
1:15:58
right now is what I would call blue skin. And
1:16:00
we're not thinking about, for the most part, restrictions. We're
1:16:02
just thinking about what's great content, and a lot of
1:16:04
that's lost. Like people in a lot of writer's room
1:16:06
they did instance of be like you can't do that
1:16:08
or that's not possible or whatever, and it's like, we're
1:16:11
right out. We're just figure out what is the best
1:16:12
show possible, and then I'll just have people go figure
1:16:15
out what is possible or not. And in reality, everything
1:16:18
we've said is possible. It's just certain things will require
1:16:20
a little bit of time, like the safe you know,
1:16:22
using a modern safe or changing the lot that's possible.
1:16:24
What does it cost and how long does it take? Right,
1:16:26
you just go through and you attach all that to everything,
1:16:28
and you do a very first principles way of going
1:16:30
about it, and then it's just subjective. It would take
1:16:32
x amount of time, it would cost as much money,
1:16:34
and then like you know, and then you just go
1:16:36
through and figure out what's worth it, what's not as
1:16:38
opposed to you know, every step of way, people be like, no,
1:16:41
you can't do that, go ahead and redo it, and
1:16:42
it's just like a it seems obvious, but I'm not
1:16:45
really sure if many media companies that approach it like
1:16:47
we do, which is no.
1:16:48
Speaker 1: Well, the thing about what you've done is you've built
1:16:51
it from the ground up with yourself and with your team, right,
1:16:55
so you've never had a bunch of executives telling you
1:16:58
what you should be or shouldn't that be doing. And
1:17:00
that's why it's so great. It's like there's a bunch
1:17:02
you have creative people and then you have the business people.
1:17:05
And the business people they think they're creative, but they're
1:17:07
generally not, and they want to tell the creative people
1:17:09
what to do so they can say that was my idea.
1:17:12
And so then you get a bunch of people in
1:17:13
meetings they give you terrible advice and terrible ideas, and
1:17:16
then they also want to compare it to shows that
1:17:18
have already been successful exactly, well we've already done this,
1:17:21
and why don't we do it this way?
1:17:22
Speaker 2: And then you don't get the purple coliffact, which everyone
1:17:24
knows and these were the purple So if you're driving
1:17:27
down the road and you see a cow who cares,
1:17:29
you'll never think of it. But if you're driving around
1:17:31
down the world the road and you see a purple cow,
1:17:33
you're going to think about it, like why was that
1:17:35
col purple? And I'll stick in your brain. It's the
1:17:36
same thing with content. If it's the show you've seen
1:17:38
multiple times or format that's similar, i won't think twice.
1:17:41
But if it's a purple cow, but it's something you've never seen,
1:17:43
then you'll think about it again. And that's what's counterintuitive
1:17:45
to how you were saying. Most exact thing. They think, well,
1:17:48
we did this before it did well, repeat it, But
1:17:50
it's actually the inverse of how you should look at it.
1:17:52
And thankfully that's why with be Skins, I work with
1:17:54
Prime Video because they just give us creative control and
1:17:56
they're like, you know what you're doing, you can do it.
1:17:58
But it's a lot of everyone sees that creators are
1:18:01
growing bigger and bigger audiences, and so a lot of
1:18:03
you know, every platform on Earth, they're trying to work
1:18:05
with them. And I can't count the amount of times
1:18:07
like a creator's worked with the extreaming platform and then
1:18:10
you know, what they have is great, but then the
1:18:12
execs start giving notes and it starts to lose a
1:18:13
little bit of the soul, the funny, and then it
1:18:15
goes from this like amazing thing to like it's all right,
1:18:18
and it's like, uh, it's just so frustrating because it's
1:18:21
like you're paying them because they get millions views of
1:18:23
video because they have a core audience, and then you're
1:18:25
stripping the thing away that got them that core audience,
1:18:27
and it's like why are you even working with them
1:18:29
at that point? And more and more platforms are like
1:18:31
waking up to it, but it's just like comical how
1:18:33
slow they are to it, and like they should just
1:18:35
trust them more.
1:18:36
Speaker 1: Well, it's hard for them because they have to put
1:18:38
up so much money and not everybody's mister beast. Yeah,
1:18:41
you know that's the problem. It's like you have a
1:18:42
great vision and you're really good at executing, but some
1:18:45
people aren't. So if you're gonna dump a bunch of
1:18:47
money into something, you see them making a disaster like
1:18:50
The Joker Too or something like that. Yeah, like hey, hey, hey, yeah,
1:18:54
the fuck are you doing?
1:18:55
Speaker 2: Of course, And that's where it's like, well, what to
1:18:57
an exec might be a disaster, to like create might
1:19:00
be a masterpiece. And so that's obviously where but it's
1:19:03
evolving it, I mean, I think obviously with Obsession, I mean,
1:19:06
they just grows four hundred million dollars.
1:19:07
Speaker 1: That's crazy. And I still haven't seen it, but I
1:19:09
heard it's a most what you would love it. I know.
1:19:12
I just don't go to movie theaters anymore.
1:19:13
Speaker 2: I don't either, but like that one, as with how
1:19:16
well people are talking about I had to see it.
1:19:17
Speaker 1: It'll be streaming soon. I think it'll be streaming in
1:19:20
July or something. Yeah.
1:19:21
Speaker 2: Obsession back Rooms, which made by a creator of Mason
1:19:24
Digital Circus. They've been crushing it iron like, so it's
1:19:26
like Hollywood seeing it more and more. But the writing's
1:19:28
been there for years. But now that I mean, we
1:19:31
just had essentially four hit films made by creators, back
1:19:33
to back to back to Well, did.
1:19:34
Speaker 1: You see talk to Me? No, talk to Me the
1:19:37
horror movie. No, it was great. These two guys from Australia,
1:19:41
they were hilarious, these two brothers. They came in and
1:19:43
they talked to me about it. But they were making
1:19:45
YouTube videos.
1:19:46
Speaker 2: Yeah, they made it again.
1:19:47
Speaker 1: It's called talk to Me right now.
1:19:49
Speaker 2: What's the creator's names.
1:19:51
Speaker 1: Jamil Michael, Danny Philipo. Okay, so they're so funny. They
1:19:56
were on the podcast YouTube channels like a million miles
1:19:59
an hour.
1:20:00
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm well, I can't think of their channel. They're
1:20:05
the Racer. Yeah, yeah, I've.
1:20:08
Speaker 1: That movie is great. Have you seen it?
1:20:10
Speaker 2: You know, I haven't seen enough.
1:20:11
Speaker 1: It's really good. It's really scary and it's very original.
1:20:14
Speaker 2: When did you have the Racaca brothers on a couple
1:20:16
of years ago? Really two years ago? Yeah? They talked
1:20:19
fast as hell.
1:20:20
Speaker 1: Dude, They're just I'm like trying to corral them.
1:20:23
Speaker 2: It's like, hey, they're super cool guys. I last time
1:20:26
I hung out with them. I weirdly enough, they're really
1:20:29
into Uno and I whatever. I like competitive games, and
1:20:32
I played a thousand dollars game of Uno and uh uh.
1:20:37
So we filmed it for like a little short for
1:20:39
them and and I lost, and I was like, Okay,
1:20:41
well at least this will be funny. And then after
1:20:43
they leave to go back to off show, they're like,
1:20:45
fuck the SD cards corrupt And I was like, oh,
1:20:47
but it was just funny because it was like we
1:20:52
had this like mini set and we were playing like
1:20:54
a really intense game of Una. We were like slapping.
1:20:56
Speaker 1: Cards cards corrupt.
1:20:58
Speaker 2: That's crazy. It was like why the Like we're like
1:21:01
flipping desk and like going like we were just the
1:21:03
most bashitt game of you've ever seen. And it's just funny.
1:21:06
The kids game like like taking over top of Yeah,
1:21:08
those guys are super cool.
1:21:09
Speaker 1: Well they made a movie about a hand, and so
1:21:12
it's like this ancient hand that it looks like a
1:21:16
sculpture and it's got all this weird cryptic writing on it,
1:21:19
and if you put your hand on it, you hold
1:21:21
on to it and you say talk to me, Like,
1:21:24
all of a sudden, you get possessed by something and
1:21:30
you're you're supposed to let go within a certain amount
1:21:32
of seconds, and if you let go within a certain
1:21:33
amount of seconds, you're okay, but somebody doesn't. Somebody doesn't
1:21:37
let go, and it's I don't want to say anything more.
1:21:39
Speaker 2: Okay, it's really is it like scary?
1:21:41
Speaker 1: Scary? Okay, it's a horror movie, all right, it's fun. Okay,
1:21:44
it's really good.
1:21:45
Speaker 2: My fiance loves horror film, so you'll love it.
1:21:47
Speaker 1: It's really well. And it was like when I saw it,
1:21:50
I was like, this is crazy. These guys are like
1:21:52
super young guys, just energetic, enthusiastic, creative guys just figured
1:21:56
out how to make a horror movie. And it's all
1:21:58
done in Australia. So it's like everyone's driving on the
1:22:01
wrong side of the road and they're all Australian people.
1:22:04
So it's like, he doesn't you don't have to have
1:22:05
famous actors to make these amazing movies. Yeah, it's like
1:22:08
it's not really necessary, like the back rooms.
1:22:10
Speaker 2: I think the director, I think is like twenty years
1:22:12
old or whatever. I mean, very very young, and I
1:22:15
think it just crossed one hundred million.
1:22:16
Speaker 1: And obsession same thing, right, Yeah, yeah, I.
1:22:18
Speaker 2: Think they're a little older, but yeah, in their twenties
1:22:20
YouTubers and they make like Curry, like just the silliest
1:22:24
goofiest like skits on TikTok and Instagram reels and now
1:22:27
you know, and you watch Obsession, it really is like
1:22:29
one of the best movies I've seen all while. And
1:22:31
it's just like hilarious to see, like the jump, But
1:22:33
when you look backwards, it's kind of like Steve job sets,
1:22:35
it's hard to connect the dots going forward, but you
1:22:37
can connect with anly backwards. When you look back at
1:22:39
his skits, they were very well shot and very you know,
1:22:41
like beautiful, and you could you can like kind of
1:22:44
connect and your dots. I can see how this person
1:22:46
made hundreds one hundreds of these like little scenes on
1:22:49
TikTok and Instagram, and then that led to, you know,
1:22:51
to compile a bunch and it was like essentially practiced
1:22:53
for the movie. And it's just cool to see the
1:22:56
progression of so many directors going over. And what's interesting though,
1:22:59
is when you see these things happen, there's obviously a delay,
1:23:02
right because producing films takes sometimes years, and so like
1:23:05
now that you see all these hits bang bang bang
1:23:07
coming out of the creator space over in traditional Hollywood,
1:23:10
then it's not you're not gonna see the fact six
1:23:12
months from now, but eighteen months from now, I bet
1:23:14
I would bet money, you're gonna see dozens of other movies,
1:23:17
you know, made by creators. And obviously these people are
1:23:19
gonna get more funding. And because now everyone's eyes are
1:23:21
being open to like what should have been over a
1:23:23
while ago, but that this is what people are watching now. Like,
1:23:25
especially people under the age of thirty, they grow up
1:23:28
watching YouTube and they're spending you know, two hours a
1:23:30
day flipping through sub sixty second vertical feeds of TikTok
1:23:33
reels and it's you know, shorts, and this is this
1:23:35
is culture for them, this is their world, you know, Like, yeah,
1:23:38
I don't watch besides Christopher Nolan, Like I'm not really
1:23:40
going to a movie theater for anything, but when a
1:23:42
creator drops a movie, I'm like, okay, Like I want
1:23:44
to see what they did, you know.
1:23:45
Speaker 1: I always want to see what new innovators are coming
1:23:48
up with. Like people that are just like thinking outside
1:23:51
the box, that aren't they're not trapped in that sort
1:23:54
of a weird world of like how to make a
1:23:56
successful film. They just they're just they have are a vision.
1:24:00
They're just trying to follow it out, and people are
1:24:03
not limited to whatever genre you know them from. Just
1:24:05
because someone makes like funny TikTok reals doesn't mean they
1:24:08
can't make a great horror film exactly. But then think
1:24:10
about like Jordan Peele, right, make Keen Peel made this
1:24:14
comedy sketch show, and then all of a sudden he
1:24:17
makes these you know, like get Out, and you're like,
1:24:19
what the fuck?
1:24:20
Speaker 2: It seems like comedy sketches is the gateway to great
1:24:23
horror films. I mean, I'm sure people have connected that
1:24:25
dots and I'm probably like two years late to saying that,
1:24:27
but I never even realized that. But yeah, can didn't
1:24:29
feel Curry Baker a bunch of the other people it's
1:24:32
so funny.
1:24:33
Speaker 1: Well, it seems like if you're creative, you can be
1:24:35
like most people have a variety of things that are
1:24:38
interesting to them. You know, you like comedy movies like
1:24:41
horror movies, And just because you make comedies doesn't mean
1:24:44
you don't have some good ideas about something that's absolutely terrifying.
1:24:47
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I wonder too, I feel like horror films
1:24:49
it's a little easier to do on a smaller budget
1:24:51
because it's like a lot of it is like the
1:24:53
unknown and you're not necessarily having to show it and
1:24:55
suspense and stuff where they're like, you know, you don't
1:24:57
really see, Like I can't really think of like a
1:25:00
some like a couple of million dollar action film that
1:25:03
like really crushed because like obviously those are very expensive.
1:25:05
So it seems like also a good place where you
1:25:08
can make something like the difference between a hundred million
1:25:10
dollar horror film and like a ten million dollar horror film,
1:25:13
I would argue, honestly, really isn't that big, right, because.
1:25:16
Speaker 1: It depends on what you're doing, right. But it's like what.
1:25:19
Speaker 2: Makes it good is the premise behind it, right, Like
1:25:22
the tension and like if the the thing that's scary,
1:25:25
it like makes you feel that way, but like feelings
1:25:28
aren't directly correlated to money spent, and like you know,
1:25:30
you you could have like this monster that doesn't appear
1:25:33
to the end and you don't need to like see
1:25:34
gi throughout the whole thing. But if you tell the
1:25:36
story in the right way and the constant tension, you
1:25:38
can feel like phenomenal throughout the whole thing.
1:25:41
Speaker 1: Yeah, and a lot of the older films that didn't
1:25:44
have the kind of special effects that they have today
1:25:46
in terms of like CGI, like there was something better
1:25:50
about not seeing the monster like American WORLF in London.
1:25:53
It's the best example. You barely see it. You see
1:25:56
it for like literally half a second a few times
1:25:59
in the early parts of the movie.
1:26:00
Speaker 2: I haven't seen the movie, but oh you.
1:26:01
Speaker 1: Haven't seen it. Oh I got It's amazing.
1:26:03
Speaker 2: Speaking of not seeing a movie, I did watch X
1:26:05
Makina after the last podcast. Good yeah, oh it was
1:26:08
really good. Really, you know, honestly, I was like, uh,
1:26:11
it's probably silly, but I'll watch it because you know,
1:26:13
Joe told me years ago I loved it. I didn't
1:26:16
realize it was that good.
1:26:17
Speaker 1: It's one of my top ten all time favorite movies.
1:26:19
It's also because it's coming, that's coming.
1:26:21
Speaker 2: Oh now, yeah, it's more relevant than ever.
1:26:23
Speaker 1: Did you see the Computer Electronics show from Vegas this year?
1:26:26
Computer like with the drum cees so well, they have everything,
1:26:30
and one of the things they had was an AI companion,
1:26:32
and this AI companion is a hot Asian lady with
1:26:35
big boobs and the lips don't sync up with the mouth,
1:26:40
which is with the way the sound's coming out. But
1:26:43
it's talking to you in AI. Yeah, so it literally
1:26:46
can have a back and forth conversation with you, just
1:26:48
like perplexity.
1:26:49
Speaker 2: Ken yeah or chat GVT yeah.
1:26:51
Speaker 1: And it's doing it with a voice, so with a
1:26:53
hot voice, and it's like that's common dude.
1:26:57
Speaker 2: Well of course, I mean the the language model is
1:26:59
already there. You can open up gym Ni right now
1:27:01
and talk to it like a normal human.
1:27:03
Speaker 1: Yeah.
1:27:03
Speaker 2: If you just tell it to respond quick, it will
1:27:05
talk to you, and it'll.
1:27:05
Speaker 1: Talk to you with slang. It'll talk to you and
1:27:08
say that part like we'll say.
1:27:10
Speaker 2: It'll Well, one thing that's it's funny. I I play
1:27:13
this board game a lot called Dune whatever, like a
1:27:16
big nerd. But there's like this.
1:27:18
Speaker 1: One called Dune Yeah done the movies.
1:27:20
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a recreation. What's funny. I didn't even seen
1:27:22
the movies when I started playing the game. I didn't
1:27:24
realized there was movies. I didn't even know there's books.
1:27:25
I just was looking for like fun strategy board games
1:27:28
that I used to play a lot of Katan. But
1:27:30
problem is Katan it's like dice roll and you know,
1:27:33
if you get unlucky, you don't really win. There's like
1:27:35
games where you know there's a skill ceiling where you
1:27:37
know the best player always wins, which is chess is
1:27:39
a perfect example that. But then it gets to the
1:27:41
point of like, well, if you want to be really
1:27:43
great at that, it's who spends the most time doing it.
1:27:45
So I don't want one that's one hundred percent skill,
1:27:47
but I don't want something that's too much randomness. That's sorry.
1:27:49
I take board games a little seriously because I love
1:27:51
strategy games and like because if it's too much dice roll,
1:27:55
like theoretically Monopoly or Katan, then it's like who cares,
1:27:58
It's just whether or not you got lucky. So it's
1:28:00
like I did a lot of research into like finding
1:28:02
a game where there's like a little bit of randomness
1:28:04
so it's not just a vote all your life, but
1:28:05
there like as an infinite skill ceiling. And so that's
1:28:08
where I kind of landed on this game called Dune,
1:28:09
and I started playing it, and it also had to
1:28:11
be a game where enough people played it, where I
1:28:12
could actually find people play it, and I got really
1:28:15
hooked into it. But it's ironic because then I saw,
1:28:17
like the movies are dropping. I was like, oh that,
1:28:20
and then all the characters started to make sense after
1:28:21
I watched the movies. After I've been like probably a
1:28:23
thousand hours into the game, I was totally backwards on
1:28:25
the IP, but you know, because we were talking about
1:28:28
talking to one of the top players like makes YouTube
1:28:32
videos on it, and I was like kind of curious,
1:28:34
like what he would do if he was like in
1:28:36
certain move like positions as me. So I just took
1:28:39
all the transcripts of like a hundred of his YouTube
1:28:41
videos and I just put it into Jim nig and
1:28:44
and I was just like, hey, you know, respond to
1:28:46
me based how this person would and talk to me
1:28:49
like this person would, and like what would this person
1:28:50
say in this scenario? And then when I was like
1:28:52
playing a game, I would just ask some questions like
1:28:55
the player's name is Dino whatever, but and so I
1:28:57
called it Dino dot Io and I'd be like, what
1:28:59
would die dot Io do here? And it was pretty
1:29:01
funny because it would respond just like him, because I
1:29:03
had so many like words from all his videos, like
1:29:06
dozens of hours, and it was uh, and like I
1:29:09
know one of Dinoh's friends, his name is Shay, and
1:29:12
I was like, would you take a bullet for Chay
1:29:14
and Dinah's like a very analytical guy, and like the
1:29:16
AI was like, well it depends. Is it in the foot?
1:29:19
Is it in the chest? And it responded exactly how
1:29:21
like my my friend would like to a t like
1:29:23
with the same mannerisms and everything. I was like, this
1:29:25
is crazy, Like this is absolutely insane. And and then
1:29:29
so I would put it where it was on a
1:29:30
discord call and like Dino, we would be playing and
1:29:33
then I'd ask questions and I'd be like, no, actually, Dinah,
1:29:36
don't say anything, and I'd ask Donald dot Io and
1:29:38
it would respond exactly how he would respond in most
1:29:40
of these situations because it had so much like contextual
1:29:43
relevance from all his live streams on his YouTube channel,
1:29:45
and it was it was pretty crazy. And yeah, so
1:29:48
it's uh, it was just so surreal. So talking about
1:29:51
like the robot thing, I just wondered too. It's like
1:29:52
if you put like a pend in around someone's neck
1:29:55
and you just recorded them talking for like a week
1:29:56
or two, and then you just fed down to an
1:29:58
LLM and then you were like, hey, talk to me,
1:30:00
like this person talks like you could have that you know,
1:30:03
whatever Asian robot you're talking about you can have it
1:30:05
literally talk to like some other human right, Because it's
1:30:08
interesting too because I was like, hey, give me a
1:30:10
breakdown of Dino's speech, and it was like, hey, zero
1:30:13
point one percent of his words are up around point
1:30:16
three percent of what he says is like it gave
1:30:18
me like a full breakdown of like the last one
1:30:19
hundred thousand words he said, what percentage they are how
1:30:22
he typically structures his things, Like if you put him
1:30:24
in a stressful situation, he'll like kind of respond more
1:30:26
like this, but if it's more chill, he'll use this vocabulary.
1:30:29
It was like really cool, but also scary because I
1:30:32
was like, man, I have a lot of me talking
1:30:35
right like this podcast. Theoretically, people could just take dozens
1:30:37
of hours of this and just make like a little
1:30:39
Jimmy dot I. Oh, and it's enough where he can
1:30:41
pick up on my speech patterns and Howard respond to
1:30:43
certain situations.
1:30:44
Speaker 1: One hundred percent. They can do that easily and then
1:30:47
just put you in a robot and now Jimmy lives.
1:30:48
Speaker 2: Forever exactly, or you can just have your robot for whoever,
1:30:51
which is like kind.
1:30:53
Speaker 1: Of weird, like ill, that would be very weird. You
1:30:55
living with you. Imagine you have a robot and you
1:30:59
get the robot to do stuff around your house instead
1:31:01
of hiring a housekeeper. Yeah, you come home and Jimmy's
1:31:05
vacuuming more or not.
1:31:07
Speaker 2: Even cynically, just sad. It's like, you know, if you
1:31:09
lost the loved one or something.
1:31:10
Speaker 1: And then I know, but the pet cemetery talk.
1:31:13
Speaker 2: Yeah, but if someone's like really grieving, they might, you know,
1:31:15
do it because they want some normalcy back or something.
1:31:18
Speaker 1: I'll probably feel empty and hollow and even creepier. You
1:31:21
have a robot that's pretending to be your husband. Yeah, yeah,
1:31:25
fuck off, that's crazy.
1:31:27
Speaker 2: I know, but it's just I don't know. These next
1:31:29
few years are could be crazy, man, everything's developing so rapidly,
1:31:31
and yeah, it's just yeah, it's uh, twenty thirty six
1:31:36
is going to be completely different than twenty twenty six.
1:31:38
Speaker 1: I know. Isn't that There's never been a time where
1:31:41
the future is so uncertain, where no one can give
1:31:44
you a really accurate map of what ten years from
1:31:46
now looks like. The difference between nineteen thirty and nineteen
1:31:49
forty not much other than world events, you know. Yeah,
1:31:54
the difference between like sixteen hundred and seventeen hundred, not much,
1:31:59
not much different, maybe better boats, you know, maybe better muskets. Yeah,
1:32:03
the difference between twenty twenty six and twenty thirty six
1:32:07
is gonna be who fucking knows, I know, man full
1:32:09
on Blade Runner.
1:32:11
Speaker 2: I mean, it's just like some of the people I
1:32:14
see working on like you know, augmented reality glasses and
1:32:17
like we're you know, like there's animes where people get
1:32:20
trapped in video games and stuff like that, and I
1:32:21
could really see, like you know, with AI advancing with
1:32:24
more and more computer where you could just you know,
1:32:25
put on a headset and live in a video game
1:32:27
and you you could literally just gender or generate whatever
1:32:30
the world is you want and literally, like you know,
1:32:32
ten years from potentially just real time generate the video
1:32:35
game you want to be in and cater it to
1:32:36
what you like. And just so many possibilities. And obviously
1:32:39
with humanoid robots just skyrocketing, I mean it doesn't take
1:32:41
a genius to see, well, with intelligence, you know, computer
1:32:45
intelligence getting better and humanoid robots, all these just tens
1:32:47
of billions dollars pouring into it. They're obviously someone's gonna
1:32:50
figure out how to merge them together. And yeah, I
1:32:52
mean ten years from now, we're definitely gonna just there's
1:32:54
gonna be humanoid robots and so many things that now
1:32:56
would seem weird as hell, but ten years from now,
1:32:58
we'd be like, oh, it's normal.
1:33:00
Speaker 1: Ten years from now, you're gonna have a show where
1:33:02
people have to figure out whether or not someone's a
1:33:05
robot or a real person.
1:33:06
Speaker 2: I would say ten years from now, that would be
1:33:09
five years from now. Probably ten years from now. I
1:33:11
feel like that would just be like, you know, is
1:33:13
this a rocker and iPhone or whatever, Like no one would.
1:33:15
They're just gonna be normalized too, especially like younger people,
1:33:18
like younger kids who grow up with chat, GBT and
1:33:21
AI and stuff like that. It's like it's just intuitive
1:33:23
to them, you know, to use these things or as
1:33:26
opposed to other means. And so it's just like as
1:33:29
that generation, you know, grow, once it become a thing,
1:33:31
then give it a couple of years for people to
1:33:33
get used to it and normalized to it, and then
1:33:34
you know, it's not gonna take that long.
1:33:36
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's gonna be very very very weird.
1:33:38
Speaker 2: Yeah it is. It's and it's also like scary because
1:33:42
you don't know the implications, like whether it'll be negative positive.
1:33:45
You know, some people will be negative, for other people
1:33:48
will probably be positive, right, you know, like if you're
1:33:51
a VFX artist and media, you'll probably be able to
1:33:53
spend more time doing cool stuff and creative work and
1:33:56
less time like going frame by frame and like color.
1:33:59
You know, like no one actually enjoys like rotoscoping someone's hair,
1:34:02
and like, you know, so you can you know, remove
1:34:05
a background shot or whatever. So like for certain people
1:34:08
like that ideally, you know, it allow them to you know,
1:34:10
instead of you just you know, draw a circle around
1:34:13
them and then it just collapses on them and AI
1:34:14
just figures it out, so you're not going you know,
1:34:16
frame by frame and drawing around their body. And it
1:34:18
does that and you can spend more time doing actual
1:34:20
like creative fun work, you know, and hopefully that's where
1:34:23
it goes and not to the point where you just
1:34:25
don't even need the person entirely. But it's like anyone's
1:34:27
guess where like the puck ends up stopping.
1:34:29
Speaker 1: You know, Yeah, it's gonna be real weird, man, real weird.
1:34:33
It's gonna be interesting. You know, Hopefully we'll survive.
1:34:37
Speaker 2: But I mean, I'm an optimist. I think we'll survive.
1:34:41
Speaker 1: But yeah, I'm an optimist too, but I have a
1:34:43
feeling that we'll have a different role in society. I
1:34:47
don't think we'll be the leaders anymore.
1:34:49
Speaker 2: Oh that far okay, Yeah.
1:34:51
Speaker 1: I think AI is going to take over most things, yeah,
1:34:55
including government, including allocation of resources. It's gonna probably restrict
1:35:01
people's ability to make decisions because we're so destructive.
1:35:05
Speaker 2: I did. I listened to your podcast with Mark and Dreason,
1:35:08
and I do like what he said or not like.
1:35:10
But it's just interesting when you pointed out that like,
1:35:12
you know, AI is the smartest doctor in the world,
1:35:14
is the smartest blank in the world, is the smartest
1:35:16
of everything, right, And typically you know, billionaires like him
1:35:19
would be only have limited access to these high level
1:35:22
professionals in each industry. But now it essentially democratize that
1:35:24
and everyone has access to the smartest person in the
1:35:26
world in each of these industries. And so it is
1:35:28
pretty interesting because if it is not omnemptent but all
1:35:32
knowing and knows all these things, like, it's like scary
1:35:35
because it's like we don't want as a human I'm like, no,
1:35:37
I don't want to make those decisions. But if you
1:35:39
like purely take a motion out of it, logically, it's like, well,
1:35:42
would you rather a human with flaws that could do
1:35:44
something fairly bad or this thing that has a lot
1:35:46
more context and you know, knowledge and experience, right you
1:35:49
say you want an experience person making a decision, Well,
1:35:51
technically this has the experience of everyone ever in history
1:35:53
on the internet, right, So, but it's also I even know, man,
1:35:57
it's crazy. But hopefully for the most part right now,
1:36:01
at least, it seems like it's allowing people to do
1:36:04
less like busy work and less things that they don't enjoy,
1:36:06
and focus more, at least in media. And I'm seeing
1:36:08
focus more on things they do enjoy, Like I was saying,
1:36:11
like the example of not having to roto every single
1:36:13
frame on a body, or you know, being able to
1:36:15
pre visualize scenes or whatever. So it's like it seems
1:36:20
and everything I'm seeing maybe I live in a bubble
1:36:22
on Twitter. It seems like it's not killing that many
1:36:24
jobs yet, but.
1:36:25
Speaker 1: Not yet, but it could. But the idea is that
1:36:28
it could also provide so much wealth for everybody that
1:36:32
we no longer have to think about money in terms
1:36:35
of like you need food, you need shelter, like this
1:36:39
is universal. High income is Elon's concept. He thinks that
1:36:43
literally people are not going to have to work anymore.
1:36:46
But then the problem with that is, like then you
1:36:48
run into human nature problems, and so we have to
1:36:50
teach children how to pursue their interests rather than how
1:36:54
to just worry about having a job to feed themselves.
1:36:57
And so then you have to give them motivation. So
1:36:59
you have to explain to them at an early age
1:37:01
that going after tasks, completing tasks, doing things that are
1:37:05
difficult and challenging is actually exciting, get fun, and that's
1:37:08
what you should generate to and then we're gonna have
1:37:10
to reward people based on that. And it's just to
1:37:13
figure out like what incentivizes people to do things, because
1:37:17
if they don't get incentivized, and then we also have
1:37:21
VR and AR and games that you can play all
1:37:24
day long that are way more exciting than real life
1:37:27
that you don't want to just take your government money
1:37:29
play call of duty all day. Yeah, especially if it
1:37:31
becomes VR call of duty exactly.
1:37:33
Speaker 2: That's where it's gonna get hard because I think of
1:37:35
like how addicted to video games I was when I
1:37:38
was a kid, I mean still to some degree now,
1:37:39
but like and if it was in a headset and
1:37:42
like a completely different world, like oh my gosh, Like
1:37:45
my poor mom, Like good luck getting me out of that,
1:37:47
Like she struggled to give me to stop staring at
1:37:49
a screen and making Call of Duty YouTube videos and
1:37:50
playing Called Duty when I was younger. And you know,
1:37:53
but if I was like actually in a headset and
1:37:56
all my friends are on it, you know, and then
1:37:58
you take it off and now you have freaking home
1:38:00
and work and like real life stuff, and like you
1:38:02
went from the most over stimulating, beautiful, different utopia world
1:38:06
where everything's amazing and you're with your friends and you're
1:38:09
having fun, and then you take it off and you're
1:38:10
back in like real life, which sucks. Like that's like
1:38:13
a whole different level of addiction than like current video
1:38:16
games would have. And I mean, I don't know what
1:38:18
the timeline is on that stuff, but it's clear that
1:38:20
that's going to happen in our lifetimes.
1:38:22
Speaker 1: That's the matrix, and that's coming, and there's gonna be
1:38:24
multiple levels of that. It's also going to exponentially get
1:38:27
it better and better with each iteration exactly, there's no
1:38:30
way to stop it. It's gonna happen. And that's Sandbox VR,
1:38:33
but times a million. If you go to play those games,
1:38:36
you're in a small room that's like a part of
1:38:39
a giant warehouse where they have these things set up,
1:38:41
and your room is you know, like fifty feet by
1:38:44
fifty feet, and you move around in there and you
1:38:46
do a bunch of stuff. But if this is an
1:38:48
actual fucking warehouse, you have physical boundaries that exist, and
1:38:52
then you're in a virtual space where as you're walking
1:38:56
it looks like the actual ground that you're walking on. Yeah,
1:39:00
you're involved. You won't be able to tell what's real
1:39:03
and what's not.
1:39:03
Speaker 2: And with those omnidirectional treadmills and stuff, when someone cracks
1:39:06
the code, it's uh, you've probably never heard of it,
1:39:09
but there's a popular anime called sort Art Online. It's
1:39:11
where it's just a guy gets h trapped in a
1:39:14
video game and he lives his life through there. And
1:39:16
I remember watching that when I was younger, and uh,
1:39:18
I remember, like when I was really younger, fresh off
1:39:20
of watching that anime, I was like, man, I hope
1:39:22
they figured this out in my lifetime. So I'm like
1:39:24
eighty years old, I could just put one of those
1:39:26
on and just live in the video game. And it's
1:39:27
like at pert he's scared, but then he ends up
1:39:29
loving it because it's just like everything's great and uh
1:39:33
and yeah, so I think, uh, yeah, there's just.
1:39:36
Speaker 1: Well, the problem is like what's real and what's not real?
1:39:39
You know, is it really important for things to happen
1:39:42
physically in the real air quotes real world or will
1:39:48
be just as fulfilling to exist in these virtual worlds? Yeah?
1:39:52
Speaker 2: I mean there I remember when I was younger, I'd
1:39:54
play like this game called Wizard one on one. It's
1:39:55
like World of Warcraft, like an MMO RPG, and like,
1:39:58
there are definitely times in my my maybe there are
1:40:00
short periods where, like when I was a young kid,
1:40:02
like my character in that game definitely mattered like pretty
1:40:06
similar to like me in real life. Like I was
1:40:07
really hooked, you know, on that game. Yeah, and so
1:40:10
like I could see it, like you know, where people
1:40:12
like look at people who've dedicated their entire lives to
1:40:14
the world a work app there's you know, probably hundreds
1:40:16
of thousands or at least tens of thousands and it's like,
1:40:18
you know, if you could recreate that same effect, people
1:40:21
feel that same way. Well, if I'm ninety years old
1:40:23
and I'm betteran like, I don't care, put that headset
1:40:26
on me, like I'm done, let me just live it out.
1:40:28
And here, you know, someone come in stretch my limbs
1:40:30
every couple of days, like you know, put an IV
1:40:33
in me. I don't even want to take the headset
1:40:34
off to eat.
1:40:35
Speaker 1: Well, then there's a question of is that already happening
1:40:38
right now? So if a simulation exists and it's so
1:40:43
good that it's impossible to differentiate between the simulation and
1:40:47
real life, and you know, there's a lot of people
1:40:51
that are very intelligent people that believe we are inside
1:40:53
of some sort of a simulation. Currently, Elon's one of them.
1:40:56
He said, the odds of us not being in a
1:40:58
simulation are in billions. Yeah, so something akin to a
1:41:03
simulation he believes is running right now. So maybe maybe
1:41:07
we are in Beast Games.
1:41:10
Speaker 2: For me, a thousand years of the future, the.
1:41:12
Speaker 1: One hundredth version of Beast Games.
1:41:14
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, I mean yeah. With compute growing and growing,
1:41:17
it's if someone figured out how to harvest the energy
1:41:20
of a single star.
1:41:21
Speaker 1: Maybe that's what this is about. As we grow older,
1:41:23
technology becomes crazier and crazier, and it reaches some sort
1:41:27
of a tipping point while we're alive, and this is
1:41:30
the end of the game, right, reaches some sort.
1:41:33
Speaker 2: Of some actual civilization similar to us. But then they
1:41:37
just wanted to they lost, you know, like how we
1:41:39
lost a lot of our ancient history. They did too,
1:41:40
So this is a simulation to see how did we
1:41:43
come to be with all this stuff? And so yeah,
1:41:46
I mean, yeah, if you're harvesting the energy of the
1:41:48
sun and you have all that compute, I mean, look
1:41:50
at what we're currently able to do with just data
1:41:51
centers on the planet. Like, it's not far fetched to
1:41:54
think you could put have someone put a headset on
1:41:56
or whatever and simulate, you know, trillions of things.
1:41:58
Speaker 1: So not just that, but then there's the reality of
1:42:01
the structure of the universe itself, like subatomic particles acting
1:42:07
differently when they're observing.
1:42:09
Speaker 2: The double knowledge experiment.
1:42:10
Speaker 1: Yeah, so it's like, Okay, what effect is consciousness having
1:42:14
on reality itself? And are we limited in our senses
1:42:17
and our ability to recognize the impact of it? And
1:42:20
do we live in a siloed version of reality. That's
1:42:24
we're imprisoned by our site limited senses of site, smell, touch, exactly,
1:42:29
Like there could be way more weird shit going on
1:42:32
around us all the time. We just don't have the ability.
1:42:35
And that's what the simulation is exactly. It's not as
1:42:38
simple as like you show up with your lunch pail
1:42:41
and your goal to work. No, there might be some
1:42:43
weird shit that's going on all along with consciousness.
1:42:47
Speaker 2: It's uh, you know, we did a video where we
1:42:49
helped a thousand you know, blind people or people who
1:42:52
can see again with cataract surgeries, and I did think
1:42:55
about that. It's like fascinating because you know, if they
1:42:57
didn't have other humans around them, they just would have
1:43:00
never known that site was a thing. Like you know,
1:43:02
if we as other humans didn't tell him, I mean,
1:43:04
they just couldn't see. And so it is like, is
1:43:07
there a sense that we might not be aware.
1:43:09
Speaker 1: Of that A bunch of them my bad?
1:43:11
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, I mean but that that is like an
1:43:14
interesting thought experiment, and like because like to those people,
1:43:17
it was you know, actually a random memory. I just
1:43:20
got to we we also did a video where we
1:43:23
helped a thousand deaf people here again, and a lot
1:43:26
of them it was just giving them like really really
1:43:27
advanced hearing aids and that, you know, and they just
1:43:29
hadn't heard in years. And there's this one scene we
1:43:31
did where a guy had a newborn child that was
1:43:34
like a couple of years old, but it was death
1:43:36
since the child was born, and had never heard his child,
1:43:39
and so we we put it in and it like
1:43:41
really really amplified sound where he could actually hear. He
1:43:44
hadn't heard sound and god knows how long, and then
1:43:46
the first thing he heard is we we had his
1:43:48
child to say daddy, and he like lost it. That
1:43:51
was the first word he heard in years, and it
1:43:53
was the first time he ever heard her. And I
1:43:55
don't even know why that memory popped my head, but yeah,
1:43:57
that was that was like one of the most special
1:43:59
things we've ever filmed. It was like that moment right there,
1:44:02
I was like, Wow, that's crazy.
1:44:04
Speaker 1: Yeah, we assumed that the senses that we have detect
1:44:08
everything that's around us, but we know that's really not
1:44:11
true because they're so limited just in terms of our
1:44:14
ability to see things. Right, we see more things with
1:44:16
the microscope than you can with the naked eye exactly,
1:44:19
and we have no idea what the senses are missing.
1:44:22
Speaker 2: And all you have to do is ask yourself. If
1:44:23
you are those people and you didn't have other people
1:44:25
around you telling you, you wouldn't have known. You would
1:44:27
have thought that was reality. And it's just h Yeah,
1:44:31
I don't know if we'll ever know, but.
1:44:33
Speaker 1: We just think about the sense of smell, where that
1:44:35
is there's an invisible thing and when someone farts you.
1:44:39
Speaker 2: Go, oh, exactly, like, yeah, it is kind of great.
1:44:42
Speaker 1: Have no idea. If you didn't have a sense of smell,
1:44:44
you would just be existing just like everybody else. And
1:44:48
then without a sense of smell, life is not that
1:44:51
much different. You know, it's different, but not that much different.
1:44:53
Like everything looks exactly the same, but no one could
1:44:56
smell anything. Yeah, you know, but think of like gases
1:44:59
and also to like your gas leak in your house
1:45:01
or weird weird shit these smell skunks, all that stuff.
1:45:04
You'd be missing out.
1:45:05
Speaker 2: I guess if you had to get rid of one
1:45:07
of the five senses, that would be the one. Yeah, exactly,
1:45:09
like I feel like that's the least necessary to survival.
1:45:11
Speaker 1: It would suck, food wouldn't taste as good. Yeah, you
1:45:14
would know if you had bo.
1:45:15
Speaker 2: Yeah, but for the most part, your your odds of
1:45:18
living are don't really drop that much, and like your
1:45:21
overall happiness wouldn't change.
1:45:23
Speaker 1: Yeah. The only thing that would be a problem is
1:45:26
impact by chemicals, Like you wouldn't be able to smell
1:45:29
like horrible chemicals that your body is like rejecting. You know,
1:45:32
there's certain things you smell. You what the fuck is
1:45:35
I gotta get away from that because your body is
1:45:36
letting you know, like this is toxic. Whatever you're breathing
1:45:39
in is not normal air. You would that you would.
1:45:42
Environmental poisons would be a problem. But other than that,
1:45:45
regular life, if you lived in a contained, safe environment
1:45:48
like most cities, most offices, most places that people work,
1:45:52
it's not that big of a deal to lose your
1:45:54
sense of smell.
1:45:55
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know What's It's funny because on the car
1:45:59
right over here, it's listening the podcast we did whatever
1:46:01
four years ago, and it's like, essentially like the entire
1:46:04
podcast I was way younger back then, was all about
1:46:07
like YouTube data and analytics. I don't know if you
1:46:09
remember that, And it's like I do, like one thing
1:46:13
I've noticed, it's interesting because like I started making videoshen
1:46:16
I was eleven, So my entire life is on the internet,
1:46:19
right and like my puberty, every development and stuff. And
1:46:22
I look at that our old podcast and like it
1:46:25
is so like brutal, like I have borderline like autism
1:46:29
on like this one subject. And it's like I was
1:46:31
so one dimensional back then because I was just young
1:46:33
and I'd only ever done one thing. It's just so
1:46:35
interesting because it's like if someone were to theoretically search
1:46:39
mister b s Joe Rogan and they you know, if
1:46:41
they clicked on either one of these podcasts, it'd be
1:46:43
two completely different experiences.
1:46:44
Speaker 1: Right, But you look differently, Yeah, I mean you look great, man.
1:46:50
I was saying before the podcast, you look fantastic. You
1:46:52
lost weight, you look really healthy.
1:46:54
Speaker 2: Thank you. Yeah, I was telling Jobbo for a podcast.
1:46:56
I lost fifty pounds between the last one and this one.
1:46:59
Speaker 1: That's awesome. Yeah.
1:47:00
Speaker 2: And last time when you would ask me about movies
1:47:02
or you asked meself all these things every because I
1:47:05
was listening to an on three x me like car
1:47:06
right here, every single thing. I was like, I don't know,
1:47:09
I was like one thing and one thing only I know,
1:47:12
YouTube and I was like I know nothing else and
1:47:14
I blocked everything else out of my like my world,
1:47:17
which is interesting because I actually think that wasn't a positive, right.
1:47:20
I think if I consume more other medians and culture,
1:47:22
it would have been better inspiration. I would have been
1:47:23
a better storyteller. So I actually don't think it was
1:47:25
a good thing, which is why i've like since then
1:47:28
opened up and like I let more things into my mind.
1:47:30
Speaker 1: If I could push back on that, though, I think
1:47:32
it allowed you to be hyper successful because you were
1:47:35
so focused on it that I think it really worked
1:47:38
out to your benefit. Yeah, I don't think it's a
1:47:40
bad thing.
1:47:40
Speaker 2: Yeah, No, I think that the hours put in, yes,
1:47:42
but it's like instead of consuming four hours of YouTube
1:47:45
to day, allowing like a lot of myself to occasionally
1:47:47
watch a movie, I think I would have been more
1:47:49
tapped in and understood how to tell.
1:47:50
Speaker 1: Someone when you were younger and you that's a part
1:47:53
of the process. I know.
1:47:54
Speaker 2: It's just so funny listening to that podcast because I
1:47:56
even I as myself, I watched that I was on
1:47:59
the car, I was like, wow, I like seem like borderline,
1:48:02
like a freak on certain things here, because like you
1:48:04
were like you would like change the subject on certain things,
1:48:07
and then I instantly bring it back to the one
1:48:08
thing I knew, like YouTube data, Like I could like
1:48:12
tell that I didn't even know, and I would just
1:48:13
be like, oh yeah, that I think anyways, retention. And
1:48:17
it was just so funny listening to it. But it's
1:48:19
just interesting though, because you know, I'm sure you see
1:48:22
like a lot of your your podcasts, you do, most
1:48:24
people consume it through clips on social media, right, that's
1:48:27
like their exposure to it and what.
1:48:28
Speaker 1: Most people consume most things through clips.
1:48:30
Speaker 2: Yeah, And what's fascinating though is clips don't have context
1:48:33
on the time range, right, and like you know, so
1:48:35
like whatever, a clip from the podcast we did years ago,
1:48:38
I'll see on my feed or it'll just randomly start
1:48:40
going viral one of them now, and like and like
1:48:44
sometimes there'll be things that like, you know, I've grown
1:48:46
up or I don't like necessarily agree with or or
1:48:48
whatever I speak differently, But because they're not like timestamped,
1:48:51
it's like interesting because a clip from something you did
1:48:54
years ago can randomly go viral now and people won't
1:48:56
even know that it's like years ago, and it's so
1:48:58
fascinating because they just like pop off and it's like
1:49:01
more people are going to listen to this podcast through
1:49:03
like random clips, probably ten fifteen times folds than like
1:49:07
actually going on Spotify or wherever you post it item.
1:49:09
Speaker 1: Yeah, probably, And.
1:49:11
Speaker 2: It's so interesting because that's like the new form of culture,
1:49:14
especially for younger people, is sub one minute ish vertical
1:49:19
content that they swipe through the feed.
1:49:22
Speaker 1: But it does inspire people to listen to the whole thing,
1:49:25
and only a certain percentage of them will do that.
1:49:28
But it's like, uh, that's a thing with sporting clips,
1:49:32
Like you see the game winning touchdown, you watch that,
1:49:36
it's like it's watched more than the actual full game.
1:49:39
Speaker 2: I saw a survey of like fifty six percent of
1:49:41
people now prefer to watch a sporting event through clips
1:49:43
as opposed to like the actual thing like that you
1:49:45
just did on the feed.
1:49:46
Speaker 1: But I guarantee you that's the case with like the UFC,
1:49:48
because I know for the UFC, when they analyze the
1:49:51
performance of a show, like how many people watched it
1:49:54
on paramount plus versus how many people consumed it on
1:49:58
TikTok oh god, yeah, it's many manyfold. It's like you know,
1:50:04
they get hundreds of millions of views on social media,
1:50:10
a different you know life a while.
1:50:13
Speaker 2: But like, you know, the The White House one. I
1:50:15
mean I saw everything on my TikTok feed. I mean
1:50:17
I probably saw one hundred and fifty clips of it,
1:50:19
so I have like a relatively good grasp of what
1:50:21
it looked like, what happened. But yeah, I didn't watch
1:50:23
it live.
1:50:23
Speaker 1: You know, if you wanted to watch that one live,
1:50:26
really you should have been there, Like that was when
1:50:28
you really absorb how bizarre it was to actually be
1:50:31
at it was very bizarre. The whole thing was very surreal.
1:50:36
Like me and Daniel Cormier and John Annik, there were
1:50:38
so many moments like the day before the event where
1:50:41
we're rehearsing, so we're standing by the oct and I
1:50:43
made a video of it where I put it on
1:50:45
DC's like the White House, Like I'm showing the White House.
1:50:50
There's the cage and then the White House is right there.
1:50:53
Speaker 2: And the flyover and everything.
1:50:55
Speaker 1: Nuhs.
1:50:55
Speaker 2: But see that's how when I was talking about the
1:50:57
Roman Colisseum before, that's how I Yeah, but I didn't get.
1:50:59
Speaker 1: The well, you know, they were gonna do elon Musk
1:51:02
versus Mark Zockerberg in the Roman Colosseum. But it was
1:51:04
gonna cost one hundred and fifty million dollars just to
1:51:07
secure the venue and and set everything up.
1:51:09
Speaker 2: I mean that I could have hooked him up.
1:51:11
Speaker 1: Also, it had have been a terrible fight, would have
1:51:14
been destroyed. It would have just been He's big and
1:51:18
so that's gonna be enough. But Mark knows how to fight.
1:51:21
Mark is like really into it. He trains all the time.
1:51:25
I mean, he's obsessed. He brought this guy that I know,
1:51:28
Dave Camillo, who's a world class coach who's a Brazilian
1:51:32
jiu jitsu black belt judo black belt, has been training
1:51:34
him like he's training.
1:51:36
Speaker 2: I know, he's more people well because I uh, I
1:51:39
don't think he'd careful and told the story like the
1:51:41
first time I talked to him years ago, like uh,
1:51:44
you know, we're just shooting the ship chatting, and then
1:51:46
like at the end of it, he's like, yeah, you
1:51:47
want to come train him a or whatever at my
1:51:50
my lake And I was like, oh no, but but
1:51:56
it's just like instantly like that I can tell that's
1:51:58
like his way of like bonding and friendships and like yeah,
1:52:01
he just like he was being very serious, like he
1:52:03
wanted to roll and I've never done that in my life,
1:52:05
And I was like.
1:52:05
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, he invited me to go bow hunting with.
1:52:07
Speaker 2: Him, So it's definitely not fake, Like that was a
1:52:10
one on one conversation. Oh no, no, no, I know
1:52:12
you know that. But a lot of people think he's
1:52:14
just like puts on the facade or stuff. But like,
1:52:16
oh and ironically, like our first time beating, he's just like, yeah,
1:52:18
let's hang out, let's do like go roll on some
1:52:20
mats and stuff, like he was being dead.
1:52:22
Speaker 1: Well, the way you could tell that it's not fake
1:52:23
is watching him train, because there's no way he could
1:52:27
be that good if he's not actually putting in the time,
1:52:29
because why even his striking, his jiu jitsu all that
1:52:32
stuff is like it's clear there's many hours been spent
1:52:37
working on technique to achieve this level of proficiency. I mean,
1:52:40
he doesn't look like a world champion or anything like that,
1:52:42
but he looks like a guy who's training a lot. Yeah,
1:52:45
you know, there's no way you can't be enthusiastic about
1:52:48
it and be doing that. So he's definitely.
1:52:50
Speaker 2: Really every time I listened to whenever you have a
1:52:53
podcast and you talk about the UFC and stuff that
1:52:55
it always makes me like I feel that masculine urge
1:52:58
to like go train it and do it. But it's
1:53:00
like I wish I could, Like I wish I could
1:53:03
fork my life and have like one where I keep
1:53:05
going down this path of just grinding eighteen hours a
1:53:07
day and building all these companies, and then another where
1:53:09
I could like pursue fun stuff like that and like
1:53:11
because that would be fun, Like the.
1:53:13
Speaker 1: How old are you, Jimmy twenty eight? Yeah, you're still
1:53:15
so young. You could just do this for another ten
1:53:18
years and a mass so much money that you can
1:53:20
never spend it, and then ten years from now, you know,
1:53:23
just slack off a little bit on that and just
1:53:26
go do a bunch of stuff. And not only that,
1:53:28
you could create content doing a bunch of stuff like
1:53:31
mister Beast discovers the world, Like you could. You could
1:53:33
do anything. Man.
1:53:35
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think we're so young.
1:53:37
Speaker 1: I give so much time ahead of you.
1:53:38
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's hard to even I think you like as
1:53:41
humans do, like build the patterns and stuff. And I've
1:53:43
been working so many hours every day for so long
1:53:46
that it's like like literally like ingrained in me that
1:53:49
it's hard to ever really imagine the world where like
1:53:51
it shuts off because you have to think, like I
1:53:52
start when I was eleven. It's basically now all I
1:53:55
really do is just you know, work, whether it's building
1:53:57
the companies are making content, and like another ten years
1:53:59
from all, I'll be essentially twenty years straight of like
1:54:01
training my nervous system, of like this is what you
1:54:03
do all day every day, like constantly being war mode,
1:54:06
obsessed with it. So it's hard to envisional worl where
1:54:08
I could ever shut it off.
1:54:09
Speaker 1: But you know what's interesting, you and I have been
1:54:11
doing it about the same time, Like we started this
1:54:15
podcast around seventeen years ago.
1:54:18
Speaker 2: Holy crap.
1:54:19
Speaker 1: Yeah, it'll be will be seventeen years in December, I think, so, right,
1:54:23
I think in this December seventeen years. So it's basically
1:54:26
the only parallel paths, which is crazy. You know.
1:54:29
Speaker 2: It would be funny is if like a vision like
1:54:31
seventeen years ago you had eleven year old city and
1:54:34
then you were sitting there and like comped it to today.
1:54:36
Speaker 1: That would be amazing.
1:54:38
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I do that.
1:54:40
Speaker 1: So what are you gonna do? You're gonna do a show?
1:54:43
On YouTube. Uh, where'd you get this idea?
1:54:46
Speaker 2: You? Did your mom know about this? Did you be
1:54:48
in school? I'd be like I was such a like.
1:54:51
Speaker 1: How wait hours a day do you spend week on content? Hey? Man,
1:54:54
go outside, go talk to a woman.
1:54:58
Speaker 2: I mean back then too, I was so like introverted
1:55:01
and self conscious, Like I probably wouldn't have say anything
1:55:02
that would have been like, you know, because you have
1:55:06
to kind of be a little It's it's interesting too,
1:55:09
because it's like very accepted to be a content creator.
1:55:12
It's like cool, people love it. It's like even parents now,
1:55:15
like you know, they're like do it and they realize
1:55:17
that while being a content creator you learn a lot
1:55:19
of different skill sets and it teaches self agency, et cetera.
1:55:21
But back then, I mean, it was your batshit crazy,
1:55:25
very proud upon and like so it's so funny to
1:55:27
see how that changes because like, you know, it's the
1:55:29
number one most covenant job in America right now. Like,
1:55:32
if you were to go serve survey like one hundred
1:55:33
random teenagers, a lot of them, a good chunk of
1:55:36
them would say they want to be a content creator.
1:55:37
Maybe not specifical a YouTuber, but between TikTok Instagram influencer,
1:55:41
like you know, yeah, and.
1:55:43
Speaker 1: So it's probably the number one job the kids want.
1:55:45
Speaker 2: It is, factually, yes and so, but you know, when
1:55:48
I was coming up, heck no, it's like, what do
1:55:51
you have? A weirdo? That's not a job, Like YouTubers
1:55:53
don't even make money. How are you gonna make money?
1:55:55
You're gonna be homeless. Yeah, So it's so funny to
1:55:57
see how it changes.
1:56:00
Speaker 1: The same thing with podcasts. Back then, I would tell
1:56:02
people that I'm doing a podcast and they would be sad, like, oh,
1:56:05
poor God, Like what the fuck's wrong with used to
1:56:07
be on TV?
1:56:08
Speaker 2: Like, yeah, you've fallen from grace. And it's so interesting
1:56:11
too to see, like, you know, as like YouTubers and
1:56:14
stuff first got started getting big, like they all used
1:56:16
as launch pads to jump to Hollywood, and it's like
1:56:18
the ones like me who are just like who really cares,
1:56:21
you know, like just stay over here and focus on
1:56:22
YouTube are the ones that are the biggest. And I
1:56:24
just believed in the future.
1:56:26
Speaker 1: This is the same as podcasts as well, because there's
1:56:27
a lot of people that started off podcasts and then
1:56:29
their podcast got a little bit of popularity and they
1:56:32
went and did a show somewhere. Yeah, and they got
1:56:33
and it sort of stalled them out in the podcast
1:56:36
world exactly because now you're working for the man air
1:56:39
quotes and you're working for some studio or something like.
1:56:42
Speaker 2: That split time, and you're not as shit. Yes, yeah,
1:56:46
well it's something I think about too, which is a
1:56:49
message I feel like a lot of people need to
1:56:50
hear because a lot of people don't realize that, you know,
1:56:55
you know, not everyone can make tens of millions of
1:56:57
dollars or maybe be as successful as like you or
1:56:59
I can. But I do believe most people, if they,
1:57:02
you know, find something they like, put in a lot
1:57:05
of hours, like a ridiculus amount hours, consume you know,
1:57:07
basically everything's available on the internet. Now, consume all knowledge
1:57:10
available on how to be good at certain thing, and
1:57:12
then you know, do a thousand iterations on it. Then
1:57:15
they can come out the other side and do it
1:57:17
for a living, you know what I mean. I feel
1:57:19
like they're but most people aren't exposed to that kind
1:57:21
of I mean, to be honest rhetoric, like they think
1:57:24
still you know, their parents went to college gagery. That's
1:57:26
how you get a job and so a lot of
1:57:27
people today because obviously your parents educate you and teach
1:57:30
a lot of these things. And I'm not saying college
1:57:31
is bad, just think it's the same pathway, and then
1:57:33
they get in a lot of debt and they don't
1:57:34
fully realize that, you know, if you just like, there
1:57:38
are like, you know, certain content creators that might blow
1:57:40
up in two years, and there are others like me
1:57:42
that take ten years. And it's just like a distribution
1:57:44
chart and you know, probably the average somewhere in the middle,
1:57:46
and you just have to like, there's no like set
1:57:48
time frame you can give yourself. But if you're surrounded
1:57:49
with other people obsessed with the certain thing you're obsessed
1:57:52
over whatever it is, you put in ten thousand hours
1:57:54
and in those ten thousand hours you do a thousand
1:57:56
iterations and you consume all knowledge available on it. It's like,
1:57:59
you know, the better you do it, the further to
1:58:01
the right, like the two year mark, you being able
1:58:03
to do it for a career. But you know it's
1:58:05
sometimes it will take longer and you just have to
1:58:07
give yourself enough time in it, but eventually you can
1:58:09
make it happen. And I think that just more young
1:58:11
people need to hear that, really, because they just don't
1:58:14
even really the dots don't connect in their mind that
1:58:17
that's really even an option.
1:58:18
Speaker 1: Right. Well, it's a completely new career path, right, And
1:58:21
the only way that people really can get a map
1:58:24
of the territories from someone like you who's gone through
1:58:26
the very early days of it, and they could show, hey,
1:58:29
not only is this guy successful, he's fucking hyper successful.
1:58:32
Like this is not a dream, like this is a possibility.
1:58:36
You just have to figure out your version of what
1:58:38
he did. Yeah, And it's a process, but.
1:58:40
Speaker 2: I would argue it's not even just for content creation,
1:58:42
like if you wanted to be an accountant or really anything.
1:58:44
Really it's like just put in a lot of hours,
1:58:46
do a lot of iterations, surround yourself with great people,
1:58:48
and obsess with right, stay focused, consume it, and then
1:58:51
recognize like you might be like, oh, well this person
1:58:53
did it in ten months, why is it taking me
1:58:55
so long? It's just it's average and statistics and just
1:58:58
give yourself enough timeframe. And it's hard to Again, I'm
1:59:01
not saying you'll make tens of millions of dollars, but
1:59:03
if you want to do that thing for a living,
1:59:04
it's if you follow those those you know, traits like
1:59:07
it's gonna happen eventually, because.
1:59:10
Speaker 1: Well, you have to be process oriented, not goal warrented.
1:59:12
You know, the process is getting better at stuff. The
1:59:15
goal of being financially secure comes with it eventually. But
1:59:19
if you think I want X amount of money, well
1:59:21
that's what you're gonna think about. You're not gonna think
1:59:22
about the actual thing you're making, so it won't be
1:59:24
as good, so you probably never get there. You go, yeah,
1:59:26
and this is you know, one of the cool things
1:59:29
about owning a comedy club is that we've set up
1:59:33
the club so there's a real path, Like these people
1:59:36
understand how you can become professional, because becoming a professional
1:59:40
when I first started was this very vague, weird thing,
1:59:45
like you never no one knew how it was done,
1:59:47
Like you went to open mic nights, you did open mic. Now,
1:59:49
how do I get paid? How do I ever be
1:59:51
a professional? Someone has to ask you to go with
1:59:53
them on the road, and then you wind up getting
1:59:55
mentored by another comedian, which is nice because they usually
1:59:58
need opening acts. And that's kind of how we did it.
2:00:00
But what we set up at the comedy club, we
2:00:02
have a real creative director. This guy Adam Eagan, who
2:00:05
is the creative director at the Comedy Store, the Town Coordinator.
2:00:07
He watches all the open micers and he finds people
2:00:11
that are good. We have two nights of open mic
2:00:13
nights and then we have Kill Tony. So we have
2:00:15
kill Tony the show, which is every Monday where these
2:00:17
people pull a random name out of a bucket and
2:00:20
you have a show. The best fucking show ever. Yeah,
2:00:25
and these people get to do one minute a stand
2:00:27
up and if it blows up and they do well,
2:00:30
they get to come back. And if they get to
2:00:31
come back, then all of a sudden, millions of people
2:00:34
have seen them do stand up and now they're selling
2:00:36
out comedy clubs and they have real careers. And some
2:00:38
of these people were just grinding it out. And you know,
2:00:41
my friend Dedrick Flynn, he was out in Atlanta doing it,
2:00:44
and my friend Ari Matty was in Estonia and they
2:00:47
went to Australia for ten years, just grinding trying to
2:00:50
make it in comedy. Gets on Kill Tony Boom, Now
2:00:53
he has a career. It's incredible.
2:00:55
Speaker 2: And I don't recognize those names, but like as me,
2:00:57
have a case study right, if they're doing stuff or other,
2:01:00
I never would to see it, But if they're on
2:01:02
kill Tony, I'll see it, exactly. There are millions of
2:01:04
people like me that we're not like we're casual comedy watchers, right,
2:01:07
I don't you know, maybe I watch Netflix special here
2:01:09
there and I watch kill Tony and so like, if
2:01:11
you don't exist in one of those two things, you
2:01:13
just don't exist in my world. And there's so many
2:01:15
people like me.
2:01:15
Speaker 1: There's a lot of people now like that particularly, and
2:01:19
we wanted to set up a network. We wanted to
2:01:22
set up like a real pathway where these people can
2:01:26
you can see hey, other people like like like Cam Patterson,
2:01:30
he was a dorman at the Comedy Store and now
2:01:31
he's on Saturday at Live or dorm at the Mothership
2:01:34
rather and now he's on Saturday at Live. He started
2:01:36
out at the Mothership. I mean he's working there as
2:01:39
an employee and he's funny, and yes, because of Kiltny exactly,
2:01:44
but there's multiple versions of that now that are coming
2:01:47
out of the club, and so we wanted to set
2:01:50
it up like that, so you still have to do
2:01:52
all the work, but we want to like like illuminate
2:01:55
the pathway exactly. There's a clear path.
2:01:57
Speaker 2: Well, because it's a different skill sets, Like being able
2:02:00
to get attention and get in front of people might
2:02:03
be a different skill set than being funny and being
2:02:04
able to make him laugh and you know, the things
2:02:06
that make a great comic. And so it also makes
2:02:08
it a little straightforward for people who might be just
2:02:10
world class in and one comics, but they don't know
2:02:12
how to scrounge up enough money to travel the world
2:02:14
and do all these things and smart enough to figure
2:02:16
it out. And so like handling that part because at
2:02:18
the end of the day, like as a viewer, I
2:02:19
just want to watch funny people, right.
2:02:21
Speaker 1: There's also you have to be able to see other
2:02:23
people who have done it already and how they did it.
2:02:25
So because of a guy like Cam Patterson goes from
2:02:28
being a doorman at the Mothership to now being on SNL,
2:02:32
people see it and they go, oh, it can be done.
2:02:34
What did he do well? He kept killing every time
2:02:36
he got on stage. So that's what I gotta do.
2:02:38
I gotta work on my set, really grind it out.
2:02:40
And I was with this guy three years ago, and
2:02:43
now this guy is rich and he's famous, Like this
2:02:46
is amazing. He was poor, just like me, like literally
2:02:48
working for you know, I'm sure you pay well, yeah yeah,
2:02:53
but I mean doing road gigs and doing whatever you can.
2:02:56
Guys are barely getting by. But that's the key. It's
2:02:58
like you gotta know that it's possible. And before someone
2:03:02
like you became, you know, a real content creator. But
2:03:06
imagine just trying to explain to someone what your YouTube show,
2:03:10
what your goal was. Imagine this. Imagine fifteen years ago,
2:03:16
you sitting down with someone when you're thirteen years old
2:03:19
and trying to explain, I want the show to have
2:03:22
hundreds of millions of subscribers, I want billions of hours
2:03:26
consumed worldwide. I wanted to be like one of the
2:03:31
biggest shows in human history, and I'm gonna do it
2:03:34
on YouTube. You're out of your fucking mind. Yeah right, yeah.
2:03:39
Speaker 2: Well and back then, like viral videos back then were
2:03:41
like two million views, right, and so like if you
2:03:43
would have said back then, I want to get one
2:03:45
hundred million views of video, like I mean, people would
2:03:47
call you the lunatic, like you're just delusional, not even delusional,
2:03:51
like a certified like lunatic, Like you're not even living
2:03:54
in reality.
2:03:54
Speaker 1: But now that you've paid the path and then you've
2:03:57
shown people that it can be done, now you.
2:04:00
Speaker 2: See, everyone's just a lot more confidence to rein.
2:04:03
Speaker 1: It's a real career path. It's a real career path
2:04:05
if you pursue it the way someone pursues learning how
2:04:08
to play guitar and being in a band, Like do
2:04:10
it the right way. I want to be a pilot
2:04:12
would have to do. I got to go pilot school, work,
2:04:15
go through the process.
2:04:16
Speaker 2: Like actually or I mean, I don't know if it's actually,
2:04:18
but it's like millions of people over the next ten
2:04:20
years that will, you know, find a job, you know,
2:04:23
being a creator or working for creators, right, I know, yes,
2:04:25
I mean dozens of dozens of creators who are hiring
2:04:27
dozens of people each. I have one hundred and fifty
2:04:29
open recks in my business. I mean they're you know,
2:04:31
these creators. Hundreds of thousands people are going to become
2:04:33
creators themselves full time, and those creators aren to hire
2:04:35
millions of employees over the next you know, decade or so.
2:04:37
So even if you which is what I see a
2:04:39
lot of people who try to become a creator who
2:04:41
end up feeling. They end up being phenomenal, you know,
2:04:43
partners or employees for uh other creators, right, and they're
2:04:46
the space is growing so big, and there's just so
2:04:48
much demand for it because not everyone who did stuff
2:04:50
in traditional Hollywood, you know, acclimates as well over here,
2:04:53
so there's just so much Like everyone I know just
2:04:55
needs like five or six people. So it's like it's
2:04:58
a pretty useful thing. And it's like almost like the
2:04:59
equival of getting a taller sugar. You're right, if you're
2:05:01
a teenager now and you put in five thousand hours,
2:05:03
five hundred iterations, you obsess over this thing, blah blah.
2:05:06
You come out the other end, even if you don't
2:05:07
make it as a YouTuber. You know, you know how
2:05:09
to edit now, you know how to tell a story.
2:05:11
Now you have all these characters traits and yeah, some
2:05:13
other YouTube will peak you off a heartbeat.
2:05:15
Speaker 1: Yeah for sure. And it's also it's this is the
2:05:17
new Hollywood. I mean this is.
2:05:19
Speaker 2: Really I mean literally now for the biggest films came
2:05:23
from creators. It's like not even like it is like
2:05:26
a factual thing. Now some of the biggest new ips
2:05:28
are coming out of them. Yeah, it's where all the
2:05:30
viewership is going. I mean when I was on this
2:05:32
podcast last time, it was probably like whatever one point
2:05:35
eight billion people use YouTube every month. Now it's over
2:05:37
three billion, you know. I mean it's growing and it's
2:05:39
not slowing down. It's growing more and more and more,
2:05:42
which is what I said would happened, you know last
2:05:44
time I was on here, and what I still believe,
2:05:45
Like I don't think these things are peaked. I think
2:05:47
they're going to keep growing. And you know, it's just
2:05:49
what younger people use. They they've never watched television, which
2:05:52
is obvious to me and you but you know, but
2:05:54
to some older people who still watch you know, news
2:05:56
and get it through there, it still blows their mind
2:05:58
that they're like they never used k And it's like
2:06:00
like a fifteen year old right now outside of like
2:06:03
you know, watching an NBA game or an NFL game,
2:06:05
has never used cable television. They've never even seen it.
2:06:08
Like they don't even really understand. Like they're like like
2:06:11
sometimes when I'm talking to like a younger person, like
2:06:14
if I'm like trying to get a gauge of what
2:06:16
do you think of our new video, Like I'll just ask,
2:06:18
like have you ever watched cable television to see what
2:06:20
they say, and like, no, And I'll explain to them
2:06:22
that there's like two to three minutes of commercial breaks,
2:06:24
kind of like when you watch NBA, but instead of
2:06:26
like a sporting event, it's like entertainment. And they'll be like,
2:06:29
why why would you do that? Why would you like
2:06:32
why would you put like three minutes of ads every
2:06:34
four minutes? Like And I'm like, well, that's just how
2:06:36
things were, And they're like, why.
2:06:38
Speaker 1: It's so dumb that they still do it that way. Yeah, well,
2:06:40
it really is so dumb.
2:06:41
Speaker 2: It makes no sense.
2:06:42
Speaker 1: It makes no sense. You don't have to do it
2:06:44
that way. They could probably make as much money through
2:06:47
product placement and having an ad at the beginning and
2:06:51
doing it and you probably get more retention, you probably
2:06:53
get more views, like no one is going to sit
2:06:56
and watch CBS crazier.
2:06:58
Speaker 2: You would have to pay money to you'd have to
2:07:00
pay like fifty dollars a month for cable to then
2:07:03
have like thirty three percent of what you consume the ads,
2:07:05
which is a higher ratio than when you watch YouTube,
2:07:07
which is free.
2:07:08
Speaker 1: It's like it's kind.
2:07:10
Speaker 2: Of wow, and then you wonder why people are moving
2:07:12
in hundreds of millions of droves over to this new form.
2:07:14
Speaker 1: That's just like yeah, and then there's podcasts, which is like,
2:07:18
how many podcasts are there now?
2:07:21
Speaker 2: Millions obviously, but how many? Yeah, obviously there's millions.
2:07:24
Speaker 1: But but I mean, the barrier to entry is the lowest, Like,
2:07:28
at least what you're doing is complex. Yeah, you know
2:07:31
it's I mean, you've created a show, you have game shows,
2:07:34
you have charity shows, you're giving way stuff, you have
2:07:36
a bunch of crazy things. You guys, do you have
2:07:38
tasks you have you have to plan it out. Podcasts
2:07:41
you're just sitting down, like we talked for five minutes
2:07:44
before we started this podcast.
2:07:45
Speaker 2: Yeah, we said, hi, good to see you gave me
2:07:49
some caffeine to give me cracked down.
2:07:51
Speaker 1: Let's go, And that's it. Like, so this is zero
2:07:53
preparation other than you know, the preparation that the host
2:07:56
does beforehand. But if the difference between that kind of
2:08:00
preparation the kind of preparation involved in one of your shows,
2:08:02
it's fucking immense. And so the barrier to entry just
2:08:05
to be someone who's a content creator like a podcaster,
2:08:09
is how many podcasts are there? Let's guess, Oh, if
2:08:12
you how many do you think there are Jamie Active podcasts?
2:08:17
Speaker 2: How many have been uploaded this week? That's what you
2:08:20
know active. Yeah, it's still posting on him.
2:08:22
Speaker 1: Yeah, let's say seven million or something like that. That's crazy. Yeah,
2:08:26
that's crazy.
2:08:28
Speaker 2: I would guess to Active probably one one million.
2:08:31
Speaker 1: Please please put this. This is what I want to know.
2:08:34
How many podcasts we're active in two thousand and nine. Oh,
2:08:40
let's guess that. Okay, put that into our AI sponsor perplexity.
2:08:45
Perplexity probably has the answer to that.
2:08:46
Speaker 2: What they sponsor you guys. Yeah, that's how you had
2:08:49
the founder on.
2:08:50
Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, also because he's cool, I talked to him
2:08:52
and we started talking about ancient Hindu mythology. I was like, dude,
2:08:55
it's gotta be a cool guest.
2:08:57
Speaker 2: I have a download. I haven't listened yet.
2:08:58
Speaker 1: It is really fascinating. Guy. We were talking about these
2:09:02
temples in India, and I've been down these multiple rabbit
2:09:05
holes about these temples that they carved out of a
2:09:07
single song. Two thousand and nine, there were sixty nine
2:09:10
thousand podcasts.
2:09:12
Speaker 2: Holy, but that's active. That just means sixty nine in
2:09:15
the Apple's directory. So that means roughly seventy thousand people
2:09:18
had done one at some point. But then, yeah, I
2:09:20
would wager a small percentage were actually active at the time.
2:09:23
Speaker 1: Still, that's a lot. So that's when I started.
2:09:25
Speaker 2: So now what is it now that I'm curious now
2:09:28
in twenty twenty six? How many podcasts are there? Oh?
2:09:32
Speaker 1: I bet seven million?
2:09:34
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm gonna help my guests. I'm ann up mind
2:09:37
to ten million worldwide? I'm up in mine to ten
2:09:39
What is it? Say?
2:09:40
Speaker 1: So? Since two thousand and nine, there were sixty nine
2:09:42
thousand versus several million shows today depending on the database
2:09:46
you look at. Okay, well, what is the number though?
2:09:49
Four point five to four point seven million podcast shows
2:09:52
globally as of twenty twenty six.
2:09:54
Speaker 2: You know what I'd be curious of how many people
2:09:57
do content creation full time?
2:09:58
Speaker 1: I'm wondering that's a a question. Okay, let's let's figure
2:10:01
that out.
2:10:01
Speaker 2: Yeah, and make a living.
2:10:04
Speaker 1: Let's guess how many people make a living doing content creation.
2:10:07
Speaker 2: In two thousand and nine versus now? I'd say two
2:10:09
thousand and nine, maybe zero, yeah, or a thousand or something.
2:10:12
You know, I was, I was a little good. I
2:10:15
was I'll say five thousand.
2:10:17
Speaker 1: Okay, maybe five. Content creation is like a very online
2:10:21
content creation. Yeah, but the problem is that's like bloggers
2:10:25
and yeah.
2:10:25
Speaker 2: Through social media.
2:10:27
Speaker 1: Uh yeah, two thousand and nine. Social media is just
2:10:29
coming out right, You're right, So let's let's just think
2:10:33
let's just not even think about that. Let's just think
2:10:34
about today. How many people are professional content creators today?
2:10:38
Let's guess I say twenty five million.
2:10:42
Speaker 2: I would say lower probably eight let's see what eight million. Yeah,
2:10:46
that's probably one of the barrier or entry you're making
2:10:49
me look up here. It's also tough in the US,
2:10:50
like taxpayers, people who are like filing. Just like worldwide,
2:10:54
how many people do content creation full time? Right?
2:10:57
Speaker 1: Yeah? Just just how many content create How many professional
2:11:02
content creators are there worldwide? Slept perplexity. Try to figure
2:11:05
it out.
2:11:07
Speaker 2: I will, but I'm just like, it's I don't know,
2:11:10
I know what it's going to do.
2:11:11
Speaker 1: So it's not what do you think it's going to do.
2:11:13
Speaker 2: It's going to freak out. It's going to say there's
2:11:15
a lot.
2:11:17
Speaker 1: See what it says though, that's.
2:11:19
Speaker 2: Going to say the same sort of thing. What does
2:11:20
professional mean?
2:11:21
Speaker 1: Okay? People that make a living, they pay their bills
2:11:25
off of content creation. It's not a I know it's
2:11:29
not a great question, but let's just see what it says,
2:11:31
just out of curiosity. It might have an answer. How
2:11:34
would it know, Really, it could guess because it guests
2:11:39
there four million.
2:11:42
Speaker 2: It's probably just going to look for any database online.
2:11:44
Speaker 1: Eight to twelve million professional content creators worldwide, depending upon
2:11:49
how professional is defined, roughly two hundred three hundred million
2:11:53
people identify as content creators globally in twenty twenty six.
2:11:56
Holy shit, man, holy shit?
2:12:00
Speaker 2: Are they making money or are they right? Yeah, this
2:12:02
seems relatively like it got to just though.
2:12:04
Speaker 1: Yeah, it got it. It wasn't a problem, Jamie, you
2:12:06
were pessimistic.
2:12:07
Speaker 2: Wait, we don't have an answer.
2:12:10
Speaker 1: It's given us three hundred million rough data. The rough
2:12:13
data is eight to twelve million professional content creators. Two
2:12:17
hundred and three hundred million people identify as content creators.
2:12:20
So out of those, which kind of makes sense that,
2:12:22
you know, a small percentage of them are going to
2:12:24
be able to figure out how to make a living
2:12:26
entirely off of it. One analyst estimates that about four
2:12:29
percent of creators are professional, meaning they treat content creation
2:12:34
as their main job. And earn a full time living.
2:12:37
So that that's that makes sense. Yeah, that seems about right,
2:12:41
And that's about right with kind of a lot of things.
2:12:45
There's a bunch of people try it, and a small
2:12:47
amount of people actually, Like if you think about how
2:12:49
many people if you go to an open mic night
2:12:53
in stand up comedy, and how many people are actively
2:12:57
participating in open mic nights where they visit one or
2:13:00
two open mics a week, and how many will eventually
2:13:04
become professional stand up comedians and make a living off
2:13:06
of it, You're probably in the same range of like
2:13:08
four percent or something like that, probably less.
2:13:11
Speaker 2: Yeah, it makes sense. But the interesting part is that
2:13:13
number is going to keep skyrocketing year over year. I
2:13:15
don't see any signs that any of this stuff is
2:13:17
slowing down, and.
2:13:18
Speaker 1: So especially if people see that this is a real path,
2:13:22
this isn't a pie in the sky dream. There's a
2:13:25
lot of I.
2:13:26
Speaker 2: Mean, at this point, if they don't see it, then
2:13:28
I mean, I don't know what to tell you. I mean,
2:13:29
I'm literally spending hundreds of millions of dollars a year
2:13:31
or investing hundreds of millions of dollars a year into content,
2:13:33
and so I mean, it shows what the ever bounds
2:13:35
look like.
2:13:36
Speaker 1: Well, you're really wise in that regard is that you
2:13:39
spend so much money dumping it back into the business,
2:13:44
and by doing that, your content is just so much
2:13:47
more advanced than anybody else's. And that's such a big
2:13:50
risk because a lot of people would say, I'm making
2:13:52
all this money, who knows when this is going to end.
2:13:54
Let me squirrel this away and make sure that I've
2:13:57
got money saved up forever. You just like, fuck it, let's.
2:13:59
Speaker 2: Just to go hard. Well, it's what I used to
2:14:02
call the creators would back in the day reach like
2:14:05
five million subscribers, and then it was a real inflection
2:14:08
point that I would notice where they'd either keep growing
2:14:11
or that's where they'd start to teeter off, because it's
2:14:12
around the time where they'd start to make good money
2:14:14
and it's either like Okay, now they have a house,
2:14:16
they have a car paid off, and like the ones
2:14:18
that were really money motivated, they kind of got that
2:14:21
security and so that that burning fire that was pushing
2:14:23
them to do crazy things like kind of yeah, start
2:14:25
to die off, and like it's like the Fermi paradox.
2:14:28
Like for quite a few people, it's around that range
2:14:30
is where you see like your favorite creators start to
2:14:32
get lazy, upload less, not put as much effort, and
2:14:34
not care as much and so but yeah, I never
2:14:37
really had any of that. I just like, you know,
2:14:39
I mean, like I probably talked about last time we're
2:14:40
on here, I used to live in an apartment that
2:14:42
I would share that was seven hundred and twenty dollars
2:14:44
a month, so like three six of your rent. And
2:14:46
I drove a two thousand and six Dodged dur Ango
2:14:48
that cost a couple thousand bucks, and I just didn't
2:14:50
have any liabilities, so I was just like, screw it.
2:14:52
I'll just keep my lifestyle cheap so I can just
2:14:53
reinvest it all.
2:14:55
Speaker 1: And you know, that's so wise. Most people don't do that,
2:14:57
and most people don't have the discipline to work as
2:14:59
much as you do.
2:15:00
Speaker 2: Well, and yeah, and the harder part too, is when
2:15:02
you have the pressure of your parents and stuff. And
2:15:04
I don't know, I'm weird. Like when my mom would
2:15:06
I mean as sad as it sounds like, she would
2:15:08
literally cry sometimes and be like, I'm just so worried
2:15:10
you're gonna lose everything, Like what if these video stop
2:15:12
getting views? And I don't know what would come over me,
2:15:15
but I'd be like, it'll be fine, mom, don't worry,
2:15:17
and I just like, very commonly just say it to her.
2:15:19
I wouldn't argue with her. I'd be like, just just
2:15:20
have faith.
2:15:21
Speaker 1: Well, you were right.
2:15:23
Speaker 2: I know it weren't great now, but it's up to parents.
2:15:25
Speaker 1: Parents always worry about their.
2:15:26
Speaker 2: Kids exactly, So I don't think it's like she was
2:15:28
doing anything wrong, but all purposes like she was doing
2:15:30
the right thing. It's just she also have to overcome
2:15:33
that pressure as well, because there's so many forces around
2:15:35
you where even if you believe in yourself, all it
2:15:36
takes is one person like saying something like that puts
2:15:39
self doubt in you, and then you're like, you know,
2:15:42
but that's where I'm a big believer. If you really
2:15:44
want it, just keep your liabilities low, like live below
2:15:46
your means and that way, it's like, you know, it's
2:15:48
a little easier to be riskier if you aren't, you know,
2:15:51
have all these things you got ufford, because what really
2:15:53
changes if you fail.
2:15:54
Speaker 1: That's definitely smart, but there's something happens also to people
2:15:58
where just the con instant grind of work it diminishes
2:16:02
their enthusiasm and they lose their perspective. They lose this
2:16:06
perspective of God, you're so fortunate to be able to
2:16:08
do this, You're so fortunate exactly, and people just get
2:16:13
really complacent. It's it's so easy for people to just
2:16:18
forget how fortunate they are to be able to do
2:16:20
what they're doing.
2:16:21
Speaker 2: Yeah, and they admitted sometimes I get hit with that
2:16:24
where you know, it'll be a late day of shooting
2:16:26
and I'm in an airport and you know, a bunch
2:16:28
of people are following me around and filming me, and
2:16:29
I'm like, ah, you know, and you get those thoughts
2:16:31
in your head where it's like, this is really the
2:16:33
life I wanted, and you like start to like be like, ah,
2:16:36
you kind of regret your decisions. But then you got
2:16:38
to like snap out and you're like, Okay, Like the
2:16:40
small subset of time, yeah, it might be brutal, but
2:16:42
for the most part, I'm doing dope stuff like I'm
2:16:44
in the Pyramids, I'm in the Roman Coliseum. I'm doing
2:16:46
like beautiful, amazing things, and I get to entertain and
2:16:49
help people, and it's like and you just have to
2:16:51
I think it's very important you're around people who like you.
2:16:54
If you have a group of people around you who
2:16:56
when you get in those nag up thought loops, encourage
2:16:57
it and help you spiral thing is bad. But people
2:17:00
who are which you know, not everyone in my spots
2:17:03
position has like people who are you know, willing to
2:17:05
tell them how it is right, who are just like bro,
2:17:07
grow up, like it's fine, you know, this will be
2:17:09
done in twenty minutes, and then you know your life's
2:17:11
pretty good. Like you know, it's it's like a it's
2:17:13
a weird thing, like you really because like I've had
2:17:15
some of those conversations with people where I give them
2:17:17
the perspective and I can tell like they haven't had
2:17:19
that perspective fed to them in a very long time,
2:17:21
and you can see it in their eyes of be
2:17:22
like yeah, you're right, And it's like, yeah, you really
2:17:24
need some like better people around you because you feel
2:17:27
like you're you're like spiraling in these like really weird thoughts.
2:17:29
But like if you look at it objectively, it's not
2:17:31
as bad as you think.
2:17:32
Speaker 1: That's the really difficult resource resource to acquire is being
2:17:36
around positive people, powerful people, people that really get things
2:17:40
done and people that are motivating and people that are
2:17:42
really exciting. That's because so many people have fast things,
2:17:46
so many people do just enough, just barely enough. You're
2:17:50
supposed to go all the way, you go three quarters
2:17:52
of the way. You know, so many people, so many
2:17:55
people just they don't they And but if you're around
2:17:58
someone who really gets out it really is enthusiastic and
2:18:02
really is powerful and very positive, then it's contagious.
2:18:06
Speaker 2: It literally is. It's infectious, and it makes something mundane
2:18:09
honestly fun too, and especially if you respect each other,
2:18:11
and then it just like it really compounds. And so
2:18:14
it's so important, like even at this stage, like I say,
2:18:16
for newer, younger entrepreneurs or people trying to be content
2:18:18
creators or friend groups everything, even at the stage I'm at,
2:18:21
it really is because you are like you think, speak, talk,
2:18:23
act like the people you're around, and like they say,
2:18:26
show me the five people around the most, I'll show
2:18:27
you what your future is. And it applies at every level,
2:18:30
you know.
2:18:30
Speaker 1: Yeah, And so my friend Brian Simpson has a great saying.
2:18:33
He says, you can't be your own boss and be
2:18:35
a shitty employee.
2:18:38
Speaker 2: Wait elaborate on that.
2:18:39
Speaker 1: So if you work for yourself, if like you're the
2:18:41
one who's out there doing it. You like, so you
2:18:44
don't work for anybody, but you also can't be a
2:18:46
fucking lazy, half ass employee. It's like, you can't be
2:18:49
both things. He goes, if you're going to be your
2:18:51
own boss, you better be a great employee. And I
2:18:53
was like, oh shit, Like you can't be your own
2:18:56
boss and a shitty employee. Yeah, Like, if you are
2:18:59
gonna work for yourself, you got to get some shit done,
2:19:02
because that's a very rare position to be a person
2:19:05
that works for themselves, do the thing you actually love
2:19:07
to do. And I think one of the things that's
2:19:10
really powerful about this time, as opposed to any other
2:19:12
time in history, is that there's so many conversations like
2:19:16
this where you get to hear from a guy like
2:19:18
you who is doing that. So people, young people who
2:19:21
are listening to this right now, they listen to you like,
2:19:24
the fucking mister beast is just getting after it, man,
2:19:27
I want to do that instead of like hanging out
2:19:30
with your friend and just get stoned a place called
2:19:32
duty all day and is always complaining about everything in
2:19:35
his life, but meanwhile he doesn't do anything. They're like,
2:19:38
that's not how I want to think and behave, but
2:19:40
that guy is. And so you get examples outside of
2:19:43
your own personal social circle because maybe they don't know
2:19:46
a mister Beast, maybe they don't know someone who's out
2:19:49
there doing whatever they want to do with their life,
2:19:51
but they get examples of it online and they can
2:19:54
listen to these people talk and then get inspired exactly.
2:19:57
Speaker 2: And I would assume you have a lot of parents
2:19:59
who watch these that you know have kids, and I
2:20:01
would encourage the parents to, like the last three minutes
2:20:04
of what he just said there, like maybe play that
2:20:06
for your kids. And I can like go on top
2:20:08
of it to say, because I agree, I don't think
2:20:10
enough young people get exposure to this kind of mindset
2:20:12
that you know, you it really is time friend group,
2:20:16
you know, iterations on certain thing and consuming all knowledge available.
2:20:19
It's those four things and do those four things and
2:20:21
like you'll make it further than you can imagine. And like,
2:20:24
you know, there's outliers like you. This is what like
2:20:26
skews a lot of people's perceptions. They'll find an outlier
2:20:29
of like, well, this person became very hyper successful in
2:20:32
this thing, but they didn't do those four things. And
2:20:33
there's there's outliers everywhere. But if you look at statistically
2:20:36
the average, right the person listened to that, you're not
2:20:38
gonna be this one in a million freak outlier statistically.
2:20:42
You know, if you want to make a good income
2:20:43
doing something you're not currently doing and you're not currently
2:20:45
very knowledgeable in it or have much experience, it's just
2:20:47
those four things find those people put in the time do.
2:20:50
But it's like, if you just listen to every Joe
2:20:52
Rogan podcast, you're not gonna be a great podcaster. So
2:20:54
it's time plus iterations, right, you would have to go
2:20:56
do An example of that would be do five hundred
2:20:58
mark podcasts while also consuming all of Joe Rogan's podcasts. Right,
2:21:01
So you're doing both while also consuming all knowledge available
2:21:04
about podcasts. Will also surrounding yourself with other people who
2:21:06
want to be podcasts and then yes, this podcast might
2:21:08
have blown up in a year, but statistically that's not
2:21:11
going to happen. Right. You have to give yourself like
2:21:13
the average might be four or five years, and some
2:21:15
people like me take ten years, and you just have
2:21:16
to be so in love with the journey that you're
2:21:18
cool with it. You're just like, I'm just going to
2:21:20
do it till it works out, and you know it
2:21:22
could be as soon as this one. The likely you'll
2:21:24
be here, but there's a chance it could be there.
2:21:26
And if that freaks you out and then scares you,
2:21:28
then you probably don't love it enough. But if you're like, well,
2:21:31
i'll have fun while i'm doing it, then yeah, do
2:21:33
those four things over the long horizon. And you know, again,
2:21:36
you probably won't make a hundred million dollars, but if
2:21:38
you want to make one hundred thousand dollars a year
2:21:40
or whatever, it's not out of the realm of possibility.
2:21:42
And just those sentences alone, for a young person they
2:21:45
hear it, it opens like a third eye in their
2:21:47
mind where they've just been told their whole life, go
2:21:48
to college, get a job. This doesn't even exist to them.
2:21:52
Speaker 1: You know. Yeah, again, it's like you have to be
2:21:54
concerned about the process and doing the thing that you
2:21:57
love to do and trying to get better at it.
2:21:59
And you know it's like if you say, let's say
2:22:02
you want a million dollars, well, you could win the lottery.
2:22:07
You might win the lottery, but the odds are very low,
2:22:09
or you could find a bunch of people that work
2:22:11
really hard and what do they do well? They just
2:22:12
kept working hard and they figured out what it is
2:22:14
they do and they made money. Like, yeah, that's probably
2:22:17
more likely. So just going the general direction, and who knows.
2:22:21
Along the way, you might hit it quick, something might
2:22:24
happen really quick, or you might figure something out and
2:22:26
you might be an outlier. But the point is the
2:22:28
process is available, and the process is available to anybody.
2:22:31
You just keep doing something, you'll get better at it.
2:22:34
Be objective, be self analytical, like recognize what you're doing
2:22:38
wrong and what you're doing right, and get better at
2:22:40
it and constantly try to improve. And just because something
2:22:43
doesn't exist as what is your occupation you know in
2:22:49
a form from two thousand and one, doesn't mean it's
2:22:53
not a real job. You know, just because you can't
2:22:55
tell people, you know, if I told people at a
2:22:57
cocktail party in two thousand and nine that are, uh oh,
2:23:00
I'm a podcaster, like that means zero. You tell them
2:23:03
today they go, oh, amazing, how long you've been doing that?
2:23:06
You like, it's a job now, right, So how did
2:23:07
it become a job? A job? Because people figured out
2:23:09
how to make it a job and they did it
2:23:11
and it worked, and so there's a process. So that
2:23:13
process exists with virtually anything you want to do that
2:23:16
somebody does for a living. I don't care if it's
2:23:19
rock and roll star, stand up comedian, novelist. There's a
2:23:22
thing out there that you want to do that someone
2:23:24
is making a living. But meanwhile, there's going to be
2:23:26
people who's like, all the odds you're making it and
2:23:28
not like, okay, is that what we're doing. We're just
2:23:31
walking playing odds, but the odds you're dying are one
2:23:34
hundred percent.
2:23:35
Speaker 2: So once you adopt this mindset, though, then the naysayers
2:23:39
go from being brutal to actually being good, because now
2:23:44
the naysayers are what stop other people from doing the
2:23:47
thing you're doing, which actually increases your odds. Right, So,
2:23:49
once you get over the hump where you know, you
2:23:52
reach a certain point where you know someone as you're
2:23:54
going on the client like where someone going this is stupid,
2:23:56
this is unrealistic, or whatever, where you just like it
2:23:58
starts to feel like it goes from like something that
2:24:01
makes you nervous and keep you up at night to
2:24:02
like you don't even really care anymore because you've just
2:24:04
heard it so many times and then it's like, but
2:24:06
there are people who hear it and they quit, and
2:24:08
so it's technically a benefit for you. So I like
2:24:10
to always not always, but I know a lot of things.
2:24:11
I like to try to spin it as like a
2:24:13
positive too, Like this thing that's annoying, Well, what's the
2:24:16
positive side of it? And the positive is technically it
2:24:18
will make less people do the thing you're doing, which
2:24:20
makes it easier for you.
2:24:21
Speaker 1: But I guess it does, But I don't ever think
2:24:23
that way. I just think if someone can do it,
2:24:26
you can do it. And the problem is you have
2:24:29
to make sure that you're not spending too much time
2:24:31
doing it the wrong way. And so that's where it
2:24:35
helps that someone's already paved the path.
2:24:36
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I mean if you could get a mentor.
2:24:38
Speaker 1: Here's the real question. So two thousand and nine content creators,
2:24:41
there's fucking very few of them, right, What are we missing? Like,
2:24:46
is what is going to be a job that no
2:24:49
one sees coming that's going to be like a content
2:24:52
creator or a YouTube creator ten fifteen years from now,
2:24:55
you know.
2:24:56
Speaker 2: Oh gosh, I mean it would have to be something
2:24:58
with AI that H haven't even see.
2:25:00
Speaker 1: So what could it even be like, what would it
2:25:02
be that people are missing that other people are gonna.
2:25:07
Speaker 2: It's changing so quick, like my brain can't even comprehend it.
2:25:10
Speaker 1: Like nobody even thought only fans would be a possibility
2:25:14
that there'd be a large amount of girls that just
2:25:16
show their naked body for a living. Yeah, I mean,
2:25:20
and not even for a living, like most of them
2:25:22
don't even get paid very much. But a lot of
2:25:24
them have only fans pages something some crazy number. It's
2:25:27
like ten percent of girls eighteen to whatever have only fans.
2:25:31
Speaker 2: Is that in the US?
2:25:32
Speaker 1: Yeah, Wow, it's a nutty number.
2:25:34
Speaker 2: It's crazy.
2:25:35
Speaker 1: Yeah, And an enormous number of people subscribe. Yeah. I
2:25:39
think it's like literally half of American males have at
2:25:44
one point in time subscribe to only fans.
2:25:46
Speaker 2: That can't be real.
2:25:47
Speaker 1: That's I think it's like one hundred and fifty million.
2:25:49
Speaker 2: Holy crap.
2:25:50
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it's crazy. I think the numbers are
2:25:53
crazy high.
2:25:54
Speaker 2: I mean, I mean, where my head's going. If we're
2:25:57
trying to predict the future, maybe it would be like
2:25:59
AI filmmaker or like something like that, but I don't even.
2:26:02
Speaker 1: Put I mean, what are you doing there? You're doing
2:26:04
just recreating the pomps and making things like yeah, lame,
2:26:08
but what are we missing because the YouTube thing, nobody
2:26:10
saw that coming. Yea podcast thing, nobody saw that coming either.
2:26:15
Speaker 2: New though, it's just range the money, yeah, just the
2:26:18
money from a normal a boy.
2:26:20
Speaker 1: What also centralized it in the like where Playboy was
2:26:25
always a thing where you had to get picked by Playboy,
2:26:28
you know. Now all you have to do is just
2:26:29
take a photo of your box and there's always the
2:26:33
local Yeah, I mean, but it's not centralized like only
2:26:38
fans is where you go there and there's like thousands
2:26:41
and I don't know how many more than that content creators,
2:26:44
you know, I don't know. Time will tell, Yeah, time
2:26:48
will tell. But uh, it's just such a fascinating world
2:26:52
that we live in where the number one most watched
2:26:56
show in the world is yours. Like you have the
2:27:00
number one why, well, if it's on YouTube, then it's
2:27:02
the number one most watched show period. Yeah, it's in
2:27:05
the known universe. Well, right now, you're the most watched
2:27:07
person in the known universe.
2:27:09
Speaker 2: I opened it up on the way because I figured
2:27:11
we'd talked about the size of the show in the
2:27:13
last ninety days on just just our main channel, it's
2:27:15
like around eight hundred fifty million unique people have watched
2:27:18
a video in the last quarter.
2:27:19
Speaker 1: That's so crazy.
2:27:21
Speaker 2: Yes, we're doing around four billion views.
2:27:23
Speaker 1: Oh, eight hundred and fifty million people is so crazy.
2:27:27
Speaker 2: Uniques too, because we do We did around twelve billion
2:27:30
views in the last ninety days on just the main channel.
2:27:32
And of those twelve billion views, like whatever, eight percent
2:27:35
of them are different humans, so it's like factually like
2:27:38
eight hundred and fifty million. Like when I say that,
2:27:39
people are like, oh, that's eight hundred and fifty million views,
2:27:41
so like you know, eighty million, but no, it's twelve
2:27:44
billion views, eight hundred and fifty millionnique. So it's just
2:27:46
like it's crazy, man. And it's like what's fascinating is
2:27:50
you like ten years ago, like even with cable or whatever,
2:27:52
twenty years ago, eight hundred and fifty million people didn't
2:27:55
use the same platform, right, It's like you wouldn't have
2:27:57
even been able to reach that many people, even if
2:27:59
you're the biggest in It's like a very interesting time
2:28:02
where essentially, as internet usage grows worldwide outside of China,
2:28:06
so does YouTube usage. Because if you google something, YouTube
2:28:09
pops up or you know, now if you're gymnaying something,
2:28:11
you know they'll eventually have youtubere if you buy an
2:28:13
Android phone, which most phones have their operating system, YouTube's there.
2:28:16
So like everyone, just as you use the Internet, you
2:28:19
end up on YouTube. And so that's why, you know,
2:28:20
even though it's whatever theoretically three point two billion monthly
2:28:23
active users, I would be shocked if they didn't hit
2:28:26
four billion in a couple of years and keep growing
2:28:27
like it shows no signs of stopping as the Internet's growing.
2:28:30
And so it's like to be number one on this
2:28:32
platform that is basically mirrored to the Internet is like,
2:28:35
it's it's like, it's crazy, it's it's it's a really
2:28:39
wild opportunity.
2:28:41
Speaker 1: And because it's a platform where anyone can upload, the
2:28:45
variety of content is extraordinary because there's no gatekeepers, like
2:28:50
a lot of it's trash and nonsense. But there's so
2:28:54
many interesting shows. Yeah, there's so many interesting shows on science,
2:28:59
on cosmology, on history, on fill in the blank. There's
2:29:03
so many people that just have a passion for a
2:29:06
certain thing and they made a channel, and now that
2:29:08
channel all of a sudden, as our.
2:29:10
Speaker 2: Million ages are very similar to probably I have so
2:29:12
many like old history videos or it's like some old
2:29:14
guy that's just breaking down over to battle scenes or whatever. Agreed,
2:29:18
and like they go as niche as possible down to
2:29:20
like this is like the most you know, the largest
2:29:23
fights in history, and like a ranking of like ten
2:29:25
you know, Deadly's fights or yeah, like I would say,
2:29:28
like a third of my homepages, like just history videos
2:29:31
was here.
2:29:33
Speaker 1: YouTube uploads users upload roughly five hundred hours of video
2:29:38
every minute.
2:29:39
Speaker 2: Okay, not to be that guy, that's that's a very
2:29:42
outdated I believe, but maybe or or actually no, no, sorry,
2:29:46
So people watch a billion hours a day on YouTube
2:29:49
I believe, so this is upload never mind, this might
2:29:51
be accurate.
2:29:52
Speaker 1: So five hundred hours of video every minute, three thirty
2:29:56
thousand hours per hour uploaded, Seven hundred and twenty thousand
2:30:00
and hours are uploaded per day. Watching just one day's
2:30:04
new uploads would take over eighty two years day.
2:30:09
Speaker 2: Whoat YouTube, Well, this is the twenty million videos upload
2:30:15
a day. That's quoting that was probably before shorts. I
2:30:18
bet you now that so many people are posting, you know, shorts,
2:30:21
it's probably like way high er.
2:30:22
Speaker 1: Now that's nuts, But I mean, what's what we're talking about,
2:30:29
like having a platform like that where anybody can upload anything.
2:30:33
It just makes the variety so intense. Yeah, Like there's
2:30:37
anything you want to watch, any video you want to
2:30:40
watch on Nature, any video you want to watch on
2:30:43
you have a question about science, just put it in there.
2:30:46
And there's some guy who's got a fucking one and
2:30:47
a half hour lecture on.
2:30:48
Speaker 2: Exactly it's nuts. And that's the beauty to tie everything
2:30:52
together as like a bo That's why you can learn
2:30:55
anything and you can do anything you want for a
2:30:56
living for the most part, if you allocate the tide.
2:30:58
Because it's all there. There's literally YouTube Harvard classes that
2:31:01
are recorded the same thing you would go into crippling
2:31:04
debt to walk like, to attend is literally there for free, right,
2:31:07
It's all there. All knowledge is available there and if
2:31:09
you you know it's it's not easy, right, No one's
2:31:12
laying out like like how you're doing with the Mothership.
2:31:14
Here's a to z on how you could become a
2:31:16
cam Patterson. It's not necessarily there, which is why it's hard,
2:31:19
but you can. All the ingredients are there, you just
2:31:20
have to go collect and put them together and put
2:31:22
in the work and to get a disease being you know,
2:31:24
the career you want to do, it's because all the
2:31:27
knowledge is there. Ever, Like even I've literally gone on
2:31:29
podcasts countless times and said everything I know about YouTube
2:31:33
with no gatekeeping whatsoever. I've literally had people where was that.
2:31:37
I was in some gym this I think it was
2:31:39
in La or whatever, in between shoots, just working out,
2:31:41
and a guy literally came up to me and I
2:31:44
no idea who he is, but he's like, I have
2:31:45
three million subscribers on YouTube. I started like eighteen months ago,
2:31:49
and like, I just listened to one of your podcasts
2:31:51
and I just did like exactly what you said, and
2:31:53
I got a friend group. I started obsessing over it,
2:31:55
and you know, and I did like these analytical things
2:31:58
and I just like quit my job a couple of
2:31:59
months ago, and I was like, no, shot, this is
2:32:01
like a coincident. You were like, you're like tracking me
2:32:03
or anything. He's like no, and he's in Jim close sweat.
2:32:05
He's like, I was just running on the treadmill and
2:32:07
I just wanted to tell you that, Like, I literally
2:32:09
just quit my job and I'm making more money because
2:32:11
I just listened to one of your podcasts and I
2:32:12
was like, whoa, and it was it was crazy. But
2:32:15
I've had experiences like that countless times where like these
2:32:18
these things, which why I'm so passionate about sharing it
2:32:20
like opens people's minds. And He's like, yeah, I just
2:32:22
I didn't realize that was a possibility in life.
2:32:24
Speaker 1: You know. Well that's you're you're coming from life with
2:32:28
a with a perspective of feast not famine. And that's
2:32:33
the good thing about it that there's there's enough opportunity
2:32:36
for everybody.
2:32:37
Speaker 2: And I have a country in view on that because
2:32:39
a lot of creators do see other creators as competitors.
2:32:41
But I've always been like, like, if someone's doing well,
2:32:45
I don't get threatened. I'm like, yo, let's just film
2:32:47
together like collaborators. Is not competitors. Like what, there's literally
2:32:50
trillions of views going on. If you think this person
2:32:53
getting an extra even if they crush it billion views
2:32:55
a year, has any impact on me, Like, you're crazy,
2:32:58
It has no impact, right, I mean there's I mean
2:33:00
people are sometimes spending four five hours you know, a
2:33:03
day consuming content, right, they watched their little twenty minute
2:33:06
video you know that they upload every two weeks. No
2:33:08
impact whatsoever? And so I think it. I was really
2:33:11
the first person to kind of adopt that mindset, and
2:33:13
more people are doing it now. But yeah, that's why
2:33:16
I go and share everything, like literally to a t
2:33:17
and like I'll help people make you know, some people
2:33:20
end up making millions of dollars that I've helped mentored,
2:33:22
and I'm just like, yeah, it's just fun, you know.
2:33:24
Because they always ask me like why are you doing it?
2:33:25
I'm like, why not? You know what, I mean, what's
2:33:26
what's there?
2:33:27
Speaker 1: It's only positive. It's an abundance mindset and that I
2:33:30
think the Internet encourages that, fortunately, because television is the
2:33:35
opposite of that. So television the problem was there's only
2:33:38
a certain amount of slots. So if the Mister b
2:33:39
Show was on NBC and then there was another guy
2:33:42
who was on CBS, he might also be at eight
2:33:44
pm on Wednesdays, You're like, fuck that guy.
2:33:46
Speaker 2: Yeah, true, and no I'm going to give him a
2:33:47
c Yes.
2:33:48
Speaker 1: You would never. But because the fact that YouTube is
2:33:51
available literally to anybody, and the amount of people that
2:33:53
are viewing it is so immense, it's an abundance and
2:33:56
you treat it like that and it actually just makes
2:33:58
you grow it's awesome.
2:34:00
Speaker 2: Because also if you share with people, they'll share with you,
2:34:02
and there's no one who will at this point in
2:34:04
my career, you know, be able to go tell me
2:34:06
something that will make me ten percent better. But there
2:34:08
are infinite amounts of people that can make me a
2:34:09
better storyteller or better you know at like you know, leader,
2:34:13
a better communicators, better at set design. And it's like
2:34:15
it's more about grabbing those point one percents here and
2:34:17
there and like adding them together, and so like, you know,
2:34:20
sometimes I'll give someone something that you know might fundamentally
2:34:23
change everything for them, but then they'll teach me something
2:34:25
very small, and I'm like, oh, that's actually very useful,
2:34:27
and if I retain it, I can see how, you know,
2:34:29
that'd be really cool, like on the set design, on
2:34:32
how we could do a background, or like hey, after
2:34:34
x amount of feet, you don't need as much detail,
2:34:36
so now we can put more time into like the
2:34:38
detailed stuff up front. But you know, and sometimes it's
2:34:40
being too particular and things really far, like it's all
2:34:42
these little things that you just accumulate over being around
2:34:44
different people at different expertise, and you just have to like, yeah,
2:34:47
you just have to, like some people don't see the
2:34:49
value and that kind of stuff, But there you can
2:34:52
learn anything or you can learn something from almost anyone.
2:34:54
And I do believe that because everyone has like different
2:34:57
things and different experiences and stuff like that. As a
2:35:00
content creator, because you're also making content for millions of people.
2:35:03
So even just learning you know, what a normal person
2:35:05
is going through or what their life is like, is
2:35:07
helpful for being able to relate with them and through
2:35:09
the content or make something that is interesting to them.
2:35:11
So if you approach people like that where it's like
2:35:13
I can learn something from you no matter who it is,
2:35:15
it's also I feel like not many people take that
2:35:18
approach either.
2:35:19
Speaker 1: Fuck yah, dude, I think your approach is very valuable
2:35:24
for a lot of people to hear, very valuable for
2:35:26
young people to hear, because if they just follow those
2:35:30
principles and just follow your passion and really be disciplined
2:35:34
and focused, you could do a lot of things in
2:35:35
this life.
2:35:36
Speaker 2: Exactly. You'd be like Jimmy, you could probably not statistically not,
2:35:39
but logistically not to be a person with a couple
2:35:42
less zeros and all the numbers.
2:35:43
Speaker 1: Of course, yeah, and also just be enjoying your life
2:35:46
because you're doing something you want. You're actually creating something, yeah,
2:35:49
and something you'd be proud of and something that people
2:35:51
enjoy and that makes you feel good that people are
2:35:53
enjoying your work.
2:35:54
Speaker 2: Yeah, and speaking of something you're proud of. So, since
2:35:57
the last time I was on here, a big thing
2:35:59
I've been working on is are you aware of how
2:36:01
many kids are like working illegal child labor on cack
2:36:04
cal farms. I think last time I was on here,
2:36:05
we talked that about how I sell chocolate. Yes, yeah,
2:36:08
Do you know that there's over a million kids that
2:36:10
work in illegal child labor on kick cal farms?
2:36:12
Speaker 1: Wow? Yeah?
2:36:13
Speaker 2: Where in West Africa, Sokotovar and Ghana, which is where
2:36:16
like the majority of the world's CaCO comes from. That's uh,
2:36:19
there's rampant childliver. You can ask Perplexity. I'd love for
2:36:21
you to pull up data so we can see it
2:36:23
that I'm not just making it up. And when I
2:36:25
think when I last came on here was right after
2:36:27
I started a chocolate company, and I had no idea
2:36:29
like how bad it was. And the last few years
2:36:31
I've been trying to figure out how we can build
2:36:33
our own supply chain where we can actually get kids
2:36:35
out of illegal child labor, and there's it's like really
2:36:38
I don't know if you're interested in it, but there's
2:36:39
like a lot of stuff I'd love to share on that.
2:36:41
Speaker 1: No, that's very cool. Yeah.
2:36:42
Speaker 2: So basically, if it just asked perplexity, how many kids
2:36:46
work in child labor in West Africa and kick cal
2:36:48
farms and uh, right here one point five to one
2:36:52
point eight million people or wow children. Yeah, it's uh,
2:36:56
it's pretty wild and I had no idea, and like
2:36:59
it's like been like this for decades and so it's
2:37:01
so normalized in the chocolate industry that you know, when
2:37:04
I would talk to other people who work at child
2:37:06
companies or execs, they're just like, yeah, just kind of
2:37:08
is what it is. That's how it works, and.
2:37:09
Speaker 1: That's just how they get their chocolate. Period. Yeah.
2:37:12
Speaker 2: I mean it's not all the labor. It's around whatever
2:37:13
forty six percent of the labor.
2:37:15
Speaker 1: You know.
2:37:15
Speaker 2: So if you were to work with how it works
2:37:18
is like there's well over a million farms in those areas,
2:37:20
and you don't buy from farms because they have no leverage,
2:37:23
so farms form cooperatives. So like these hundred farms will
2:37:26
gather aggregate their beings so they have a little leverage
2:37:28
and they'll sell it to you. So you buy from
2:37:29
a cooperative and statistically, you know, forty six percent of
2:37:32
those farms will have child labors, some won't, some will,
2:37:34
and so you're you're buying at a cooperative level. And
2:37:37
so when I went to all the biggest distributors and
2:37:39
everyone you know that does all the sourcing for CAU
2:37:42
and I was like, so, is there any way I
2:37:43
can pay a premium and not have little kids work
2:37:46
on my farms? And it literally didn't exist. And I
2:37:49
was just so mind blown. And it really was frustrating
2:37:52
because they're it's just like it's not even did it
2:37:54
not exist, Like no one really seemed to like even
2:37:57
think it needed to exist. I was like, you guys,
2:37:59
like these are kids, Like you have no issue making
2:38:02
billions of dollars in profit on little kids working on
2:38:04
the farms. It was like a very weird thing.
2:38:06
Speaker 1: So crazy.
2:38:08
Speaker 2: So that's most chocolate, well majority of the world's cacla,
2:38:11
as you saw, comes from West Africa, So I mean,
2:38:13
holy shit, man, yeah I know. And so that's what
2:38:16
I mean. I'm thousands of hours deep into this, and
2:38:18
so I met a different company called Tony Shocaloni, who
2:38:21
is like a reporter who you know, started talking about
2:38:24
this and.
2:38:25
Speaker 1: Wait a minute, his name is Chocoalone.
2:38:26
Speaker 2: Tony, but the chocolate brand is Tony Shocaloni. Oh, they
2:38:29
did ethical sourcing, and I spent a lot of time
2:38:31
learning from them, and like, I've just been on this
2:38:33
journey with featables, is how can we ethically source you know, feastables,
2:38:36
cacao And so we actually, this is a fun thing
2:38:39
I've never said publicly. So we we started doing working
2:38:43
with certain farms. But then I started around seven months
2:38:46
ago a big case study where we went to five
2:38:48
villages that the average child labor there was like forty
2:38:51
five percent, So forty five percent of the labor on
2:38:53
the farms in these villages was a legal child labor.
2:38:56
And we we went on the doors and we collected
2:38:57
every single data point. We knocked in every door we got.
2:39:00
There's around ten thousand people that live in those five communities.
2:39:02
We knew everything from the child labor rates to school
2:39:04
attendants to everything. And then we've throughout the last few
2:39:07
years we've just been collecting tons of data on why
2:39:09
kids work in child labor. How you get kids out
2:39:11
of child labor, which most of it comes back to poverty.
2:39:13
Big Chocolate pays farmers so little that they just can't
2:39:16
afford to not use children. So part of it is
2:39:19
there's this thing called a living income reference price, which
2:39:21
looks at the cost to actually live there, and you
2:39:24
just guarantee your So we guarantee hundred percent of our
2:39:26
farmers that will pay a living income reference price. And
2:39:28
then we work with fair Trade, which the cooperatives I
2:39:31
was explaining to you. Sometimes they're not democratically elected, right,
2:39:33
so you can pay more money. But if the cooperative
2:39:35
is like someone's skimming off money or taking it, it doesn't
2:39:38
flow through to the farmers. So we go through we
2:39:41
make sure it's complicated. It's like I thought this would
2:39:43
be an easier problem to solve. This is a multi
2:39:44
year journey for me. But we go to the cooperatives,
2:39:46
which again is just a collection of farms that pool
2:39:49
their cacals so they have more leverage so you can't
2:39:50
take advantage of them. And we make sure through fair
2:39:53
Trade that they're democratically elected cooperatives, so the farmers actually
2:39:56
get the money. We pay a living income reference price
2:39:58
and in exchange for doing the those things, they have
2:40:00
to let us audit and remediate the child labor on
2:40:02
the farms. And so in this five village case today
2:40:06
that we did, there's around ten thousand people living in there,
2:40:08
and about seven months ago there's around five hundred and
2:40:12
fifty kids that were in illegal child labor in those communities.
2:40:15
And so then we started taking over sourcing from there.
2:40:18
So we started doing our sourcing principles and paying the
2:40:20
farmers living in and refprience prize, Fair Trade came in,
2:40:22
come in, started paying the premium, and now seven months
2:40:25
later we just got the initial results after we did
2:40:29
our check ins and some of the communities we were
2:40:31
getting so many kids out of child laver. There literally
2:40:33
wasn't a school because kids just worked on the farm.
2:40:35
So like some of these, we literally built a school
2:40:37
so they could go to school. Because the goal isn't
2:40:38
just to get the kids out of child labor, it's
2:40:40
also to get them an education so they're not you know,
2:40:42
because if you grow up only working on a cacal farm,
2:40:45
you have no education, so then you're basically doomed to
2:40:47
working on it your whole life, you know, because you
2:40:49
don't know anything else, right, And so we just did
2:40:53
our recent wave of a check ins where we knocked
2:40:54
on all the doors, check school attendance and everything. And
2:40:57
so seven months ago was five hundred and fifty kids
2:40:59
ish roughly in illegal child labor. What do you think
2:41:01
it was now? Basically six seven months later we were
2:41:05
able to get a ninety percent reduction and get it
2:41:07
to where there's only like around fifty still on child
2:41:10
labor with our first check in. And now we constitute
2:41:13
a kid remediate out of child labor with two check ins.
2:41:15
So that was just the first one. So technically, buy
2:41:17
our books, they wouldn't be fully remediated because you know,
2:41:20
there might have been an accident or whatever, so we
2:41:21
like to double check it to make sure things are accurate.
2:41:23
So we'll do another check in the future. So not
2:41:25
technically officially remediated, but it just shows that like it's
2:41:28
possible to reduce the child labor in these areas like dramatically, right,
2:41:32
Like if you were to apply the things we did there,
2:41:34
but macroly across the whole country. I mean you're talking
2:41:36
you could get swerves of hundreds of thousands of kids
2:41:38
out of legal child labor. And so the big way
2:41:41
I've been doing or been on is like step one
2:41:44
is apt to prove its possible so then we can start.
2:41:47
You know, I like most people like you, they just
2:41:49
have no idea that there's this much rampid child labor
2:41:51
in chocolate. I had no idea until you brought it up,
2:41:53
I know, which is like crazy, and it's like it honestly,
2:41:56
it really frustrates me because no one has any idea
2:41:58
and like everyone's just kind of cool. And I think
2:42:00
part of the problem too is if you were to
2:42:01
google it, they use like confusing language or they're like, yeah,
2:42:04
this is our ethical sourcing strategy. But at the end
2:42:06
of the day, obviously most cows going to Big Chocolate,
2:42:10
and you know, they can say they're doing all these things,
2:42:11
but factually there's all these kids in illegal child labor.
2:42:14
So it's like, I mean, no.
2:42:15
Speaker 1: One's put in the effort that you're doing what you
2:42:17
just said that, yeah, and so that's amazing man.
2:42:20
Speaker 2: Yeah, And well that's what I'm really excited about. And
2:42:22
I just wanted to mention it a because obviously your
2:42:24
biggest podcast in the world, and I just want to
2:42:25
educate people on it. That it's fucking crazy when you're
2:42:28
buying chocolate. And yeah, I'm really excited though with what
2:42:31
we're doing because I were essentially with Feastables, building one
2:42:34
of the most effective like systems for getting kids out
2:42:37
of illegal childlab in the world. Right by the more
2:42:39
cacoal we're sourcing, the more we're able to pay a
2:42:41
living income reference price and then audit the farms and
2:42:43
then get the kids into schools. And it's like, it's
2:42:45
pretty interesting. Like with that village you know right now,
2:42:48
you know it went, there was a ninety percent reduction
2:42:50
when from over five hundred kids in illegal childliver down
2:42:52
to fifty. And obviously we're not done. We're going to
2:42:53
keep over time trying to get those fifty out of
2:42:55
child labor. But now imagine that if we can keep
2:42:57
sourcing more cacals, we keep growing, and we could keep
2:42:59
getting more and more kids out of legal child laver
2:43:01
and then eventually, because you know, I have over a
2:43:03
billion followers across all my platforms, you know, I can
2:43:05
show these case studies and then just like you know,
2:43:08
Great Big Chocolate into switching over because they make billions
2:43:11
of dollars a year in profit, they don't have to
2:43:12
use child labor, and then you know, and I think
2:43:14
step one is showing that it's actually possible to not
2:43:16
use it, because right now, technically there's not really a
2:43:19
way you could, like, you know, I.
2:43:20
Speaker 1: Think what's really important is getting people to understand that
2:43:23
that's happening exactly, and you talking about it right now.
2:43:26
Now people will be aware of it, because I think
2:43:28
the vast majority of people me included were not aware.
2:43:31
I know, so then they hear the wait, hold on,
2:43:34
what about this company that I'm buying chocolate from? Are
2:43:36
they using child labor?
2:43:38
Speaker 2: And then you know, and technically I can never like
2:43:41
tea stables, I can't say child liver free because you know,
2:43:43
it's not like I have security cameras on the farm.
2:43:45
A kid could just walk on it and then you know,
2:43:47
well he lied, right, So I'll you'll be able to
2:43:49
making We're doing everything we can to make it as
2:43:52
ethically sourced as possible. And that's why I'm doing these
2:43:54
case studies where I can literally factually show like people
2:43:56
n I can on the doors show like without a
2:43:58
because obviously I know, as I start to talk about
2:44:00
this more, there's no doubt in my mind. They're going
2:44:02
to assume me because obviously Big Chocolate doesn't like the
2:44:04
idea that people are learning that there's so many kids
2:44:06
in illegal child labor. And because my megaphone's so big,
2:44:09
they're gonna want me to be quiet. But in a
2:44:11
perfect world, they'd hear these messages and they would have
2:44:14
a soul and be like, you're right, we shouldn't make
2:44:16
billions of dollars in profit off the back of the
2:44:18
little kids. Let's just put a little bit of the
2:44:20
money towards getting the kids into school and putting people
2:44:23
that you know, aren't kids on the farms. And so
2:44:25
ideally that's what comes of it. We'll see in the
2:44:28
long run. But right now I'm just really focused on
2:44:29
building these case studies and really showing like in depth
2:44:32
exactly how they could do it. So then hopefully they
2:44:35
just come around to, you know, give them the avenue
2:44:37
to go, oh, we just didn't know this is cool, cool,
2:44:39
we'll start doing it. I mean, becausethetically, there isn't really
2:44:43
like all these chocolate companies are so old, like technically
2:44:45
the people who built and grew it, like the founders,
2:44:49
they're dead, right, This is third fourth generation people like,
2:44:51
some of these people have never built a business from
2:44:53
ground up, So maybe you could give them a little
2:44:55
slack and be like, they just don't know any better,
2:44:57
and it's a problem they don't know how to solve.
2:44:58
Speaker 1: Fuck them they know, I mean they know they have
2:45:01
trying to go over.
2:45:02
Speaker 2: It because the world. If we can get them all
2:45:03
to switch, I mean.
2:45:05
Speaker 1: I don't maybe force their hand. I mean maybe just
2:45:08
making people aware of it will help force their hand.
2:45:10
Speaker 2: If I was in the biggest, biggest YouTuber in the world,
2:45:12
if I were, here's a crazy sentence that I do
2:45:15
believe to be true. If I stopped caring about this
2:45:17
issue and did nothing, then the one point five million
2:45:19
kids in illegal child labor, I guarantee it wouldn't change
2:45:21
it all. Like it wouldn't change it all in the
2:45:23
next five ten years. Like who else it's been. Look like,
2:45:26
look at how many kids are in illegal child labor
2:45:28
in West Africa on cacao farms. Oh yeah, we're we're
2:45:30
big chocolate scent in an attack.
2:45:32
Speaker 1: We've had this issue. But listen, man, it's just another
2:45:35
example of that you're an awesome guy and the fact
2:45:39
that you don't just care about money and you really
2:45:41
care about doing the right thing that you've decided to do.
2:45:43
This is this is another example of why you're great.
2:45:46
Speaker 2: Thank you well, And I want to educate people on that.
2:45:48
And another thing i'd also I think is a thing
2:45:51
that people should hear is especially in America. Do you
2:45:54
know that. I mean, it's probably not gonna surprise you,
2:45:56
but forty percent of food that's produced in America ends
2:45:58
up getting thrown away. I have, yeah, it's and so
2:46:02
a lot of what we've been doing is working with
2:46:04
is like working with nonprofits and setting up essentially, like
2:46:07
you know, so many stores and restaurants just throw away
2:46:09
perfectly good food or like they'll have things like if
2:46:11
something's like within a week of being expired, they just
2:46:14
toss it out because whatever. But it's like it's perfectly edible,
2:46:17
there's literally nothing wrong with the food. And we've been
2:46:19
just setting up like many there's a five on one
2:46:21
see nonprofit called Sharing Access who crushes at this. And
2:46:24
we've been funding and building like these small logistics hubs,
2:46:27
like one in New York, you know, and we've been
2:46:30
through them, and then also our food banks. We've been
2:46:32
able to distribute over forty million meals to people in
2:46:35
need across America and instead of like buying food and
2:46:38
taking in story and distributed, just taking food that would
2:46:41
have been thrown away but it's perfectly fine and perfectly healthy,
2:46:43
and just do you know, figuring out how in a
2:46:44
couple of days to just get it to food drives
2:46:46
or people in need. And that's another thing too, illegal
2:46:49
child labor and cacal in that are like two things
2:46:51
that I feel like people should just be aware of
2:46:53
because it's a very solvable thing, you know what I mean.
2:46:55
Like if you work at a retailer, I'm sure a
2:46:57
lot of people here do that throws away perfectly good
2:46:59
food because they're like, you know, you never they never
2:47:02
want to run a risk of something being bad on
2:47:03
the shelf, so they'll premptively throw it away. Just call
2:47:05
a local nonprofit and be like, hey, we're this every week.
2:47:08
We tend to throw away food around this time. Come
2:47:10
pick it up, like little tweaks. Like that is like
2:47:12
so simple, but would feed so many people need and
2:47:15
save us so much money, you know, And I feel
2:47:17
like it's kind of a no brainer. And I've literally
2:47:19
seen it in effect, like we're opening up another facility
2:47:22
that you know, over the next twelve months, should be
2:47:23
able to distribute around ten million pounds of food, so
2:47:25
whatever that is maybe like seven million meals. And it's
2:47:28
like just taking food that would have been thrown away.
2:47:30
And it's kind of like mind blowing that in America,
2:47:32
like more people aren't aware of that because it's a
2:47:34
very solvable thing.
2:47:36
Speaker 1: To be honest, I think there's so many people that
2:47:39
are only concentrating on what's going to make them money.
2:47:42
And of course, you know, it's very rare that someone
2:47:45
like you thinks about greater good and actually but in.
2:47:50
Speaker 2: This case it doesn't even that one doesn't even cost
2:47:52
you money. We're just talking about it instead of just
2:47:55
the air. Put it in a truck the AFT ye
2:47:57
to well, maybe one of you, if you're a Walmart
2:48:00
or I don't even know, with some random store that
2:48:02
are listening to this, just consider it. Don't throw the
2:48:04
food away.
2:48:05
Speaker 1: You're an awesome guy, Jimmy, thank you, Thank you for
2:48:07
being here. Man, it was really fun. I really appreciate it.
2:48:09
Speaker 2: Yeah, gradually we got an the Zombie show.
2:48:11
Speaker 1: We'll do it.
2:48:12
Speaker 2: We're doing it. Yeah, I think we should handle all
2:48:14
the work and stuff. You got to think about it.
2:48:15
Speaker 1: Some more too. Yeah, I'm gonna I'm gonna bounce this
2:48:18
around because I got excited. I think there's something to it.
2:48:21
Speaker 2: Next time, next time you see me and Joe together,
2:48:23
it's gonna be fighting off some zombies.
2:48:24
Speaker 1: All right, sounds good. Thank you, thank you for having
2:48:27
my pleasure, and thank you bye everybody,