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Sharri | 21 October · Sharri

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Speaker 1: Live on Sky News This is Sharry Good Evening.
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Speaker 2: Tonight, New York Post columnist Miranda Devine reveals what Donald
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Speaker 2: Trump really thinks about Australia's demise under the alban Easy government.
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Speaker 2: She knows because the President told her personally that exclusive
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Speaker 2: in a moment. Plus, it wasn't only Kevin Rudd at
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Speaker 2: Canberra's press Gallery. Journalists also came in for a swipe
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Speaker 2: from the President of the United States.
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Speaker 3: Oh you're a Sidney Morning Herald now nursing guy.
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Speaker 4: Go ahead.
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Speaker 2: I'll discuss this with Ron and Bishop shortly. Also on
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Speaker 2: the show, Barnaby Joyce accused of being a traitor and
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Speaker 2: a turncoat motivated by ego. This as Susan Lee comes
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Speaker 2: up with a compromised position on Net zero. We'll get
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Speaker 2: reaction from Holly Hughes and James Willis later on, and
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Speaker 2: Angus Taylor will join me live from Israel as Trump
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Speaker 2: indicates other nations may help Israel eradicate Hamas that's all
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Speaker 2: coming up for first tonight. A journalist close to President
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Speaker 2: Trump has revealed he knows exactly how woke Australia has
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Speaker 2: become under Anthony Albanesi, and he was furious by Albanesi's
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Speaker 2: decision to recognize a Palestinian state, but Trump was being
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Speaker 2: pragmatic and put the interests of the Australia US Alliance
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Speaker 2: first in his respectful White House meeting. New York Post
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Speaker 2: columnist Miranda Devine, who knows the President well and has
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Speaker 2: interviewed him numerous times, tells me tonight that he's under
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Speaker 2: no illusions about the extent of Australia's demise under Albansi.
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Speaker 5: President Trump has said to me on a couple of occasions,
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Speaker 5: what's gone wrong with Australia? What happened to Australia? Because
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Speaker 5: the perception, particularly among conservatives in America, is that Australia
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Speaker 5: they used to look.
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Speaker 3: At as like.
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Speaker 5: America in the olden days, like America before America went woke.
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Speaker 2: She's also revealed just how angry President Trump was that
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Speaker 2: Australia's moved to vote against American interests at the United
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Speaker 2: Nations and recognize a Palestinian state.
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Speaker 5: He angered President Trump enormously by joining with Canada and
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Speaker 5: the UK and France in this ridiculous Palestinian state issue,
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Speaker 5: which actually costs lives because it delayed the peace deal,
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Speaker 5: and Trump was furious about that.
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Speaker 2: Thou full interview is coming up. But in the White
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Speaker 2: House meeting today, Trump had no reason to pick a
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Speaker 2: fight with America's ally. He needed to tick the box
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Speaker 2: of meeting with Australia, and the Critical Minerals Deal is
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Speaker 2: useful to him. It circumventsch Now. Miranda Devine agrees that
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Speaker 2: the Critical Minerals Deal is extremely important to Trump and America,
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Speaker 2: and he was being pragmatic while he was respectful to
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Speaker 2: alban Easy, and he politely sat beside him as they
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Speaker 2: signed the deal worth eight billion dollars US. He didn't
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Speaker 2: do a trade deal. Now, the Critical Minerals Deal was
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Speaker 2: initially meant to be the carrot that saw Australian tariffs
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Speaker 2: lifted by the US. It's also important for Australia that
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Speaker 2: even with a weak prime minister in Alban Easy, the
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Speaker 2: alliance with the United States remains solid. This is crucial
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Speaker 2: for our regional security, especially with China's aggression and intimidatory
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Speaker 2: tactics on full display. But for anyone thinking that Trump
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Speaker 2: was being overly nice to Alban Easy, consider this. Firstly,
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Speaker 2: he also generously praised Chinese President she in that same meeting, Secondly,
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Speaker 2: it is fifteen days shy of a year since Trump
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Speaker 2: won the US presidential election, and this is their first meeting.
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Speaker 2: They've only had about four phone calls in that time period.
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Speaker 2: There was the counseled meeting on the sidelines of the
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Speaker 2: G twenty and Trump repeatedly rebuffed Albanese's phone calls. As
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Speaker 2: I reported earlier this year. Now, when Scott Morrison was
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Speaker 2: our Prime minister, President Trump welcomed him warmly with a
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Speaker 2: state dinner in the historic Rose Garden. It was a glamorous,
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Speaker 2: star studded red carpet affair. During that time, Trump also
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Speaker 2: frequently played golf with Joe Hockey. Trump knows full well
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Speaker 2: who Albanese is and just how terrible he's been for
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Speaker 2: our country. As Miranda Devine has confirmed revealing her personal
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Speaker 2: conversations with the President, have a look at that again.
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Speaker 5: President Trump has said to me on a couple of occasions,
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Speaker 5: what's gone wrong with Australia? What happened to Australia?
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Speaker 2: And the President didn't hesitate in humiliating Kevin Rudd on
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Speaker 2: the world stage.
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Speaker 3: I don't like you either, and probably never will.
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Speaker 2: Trump surely echoed the sentiment of millions of Australians in
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Speaker 2: those comments. Now, my Sky colleague Andrew Clanel deserves a
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Speaker 2: full credit for asking his brilliant question. It's a pity
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Speaker 2: Trump didn't also respond to the first part about Palestinian
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Speaker 2: recognition and climate Now. I know you've seen it many
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Speaker 2: times by now, but here's Trump's full response to Clenell's question.
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Speaker 6: Been concerned in Australia. It's taken nine months to get
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Speaker 6: this meeting. Have you had any concerns with the administration
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Speaker 6: with a stance on Palestine, climate change or even things
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Speaker 6: the ambassador said about you in the past. He's strained ambassador.
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Speaker 4: I don't know anything about him. And if he said
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Speaker 4: bad then maybe he'll like to apologize. I really don't know.
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Speaker 4: Did an ambassador to say something bad about it? Don't
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Speaker 4: tell me where is he? Is he still working for?
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Speaker 2: Yeah?
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Speaker 4: Do you said bad before?
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Speaker 3: I took this positions to prison? But I don't like
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Speaker 3: you either.
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Speaker 4: I probably never will.
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Speaker 2: Yes, Kevin Right has set many bad things, as Trump
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Speaker 2: put it, like calling him a village idiot.
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Speaker 7: In the last four years, has been run by a
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Speaker 7: village idiot.
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Speaker 2: Right also said the United States was incompetent under Trump's
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Speaker 2: leadership and that he's a traitor to the West and.
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Speaker 8: The United States increasingly incompetent in international state craft under Trump.
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Speaker 8: Trump at present represents a political liability for both sides
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Speaker 8: of Australian.
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Speaker 2: Politics, and Rudd even said that Trump was the most
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Speaker 2: destructive president in American history and demanded his removal as president.
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Speaker 8: That the Republican Party which enabled this guy to be
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Speaker 8: elected have a deep responsibility, a deep responsibility to accept
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Speaker 8: responsibility for the consequence of their actions and begin the
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Speaker 8: processes for one form or another of his removal by
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Speaker 8: constitutional means. This guy is a problem. He is an
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Speaker 8: objective problem for the world.
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Speaker 2: Could say the same thing about Rudd. He is an
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Speaker 2: objective problem for Australia now. Rudd also claimed that President
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Speaker 2: Trump was lying when he said COVID nineteen came from
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Speaker 2: a lab. Rudd said this in May twenty in truth,
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Speaker 2: intelligence officials don't believe Trump at all, And on that
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Speaker 2: very topic, Rudd was extremely disrespectful to me during my
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Speaker 2: investigation into the origins of COVID nineteen. He nastily dubbed
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Speaker 2: me bat cave Marsin simply for my journalism, as he
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Speaker 2: attacked both me personally and the company I work for.
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Speaker 2: Just one example, he wrote the same bat cave Markson,
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Speaker 2: who implied an exclusive five eyes report showed COVID was invented.
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Speaker 2: She's still smarting from that, which left her credibility shot.
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Speaker 4: Well.
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Speaker 2: Of course, it's now widely accepted that COVID nineteen did
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Speaker 2: originate in the Wuhann Institute of Virology. So don't feel
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Speaker 2: sorry for Rudd after his humiliation. Today he is forced
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Speaker 2: by nature of his ambassadorship to be diplomatic. He can't
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Speaker 2: tweet publicly anymore. But that doesn't mean his vengefulness and
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Speaker 2: his nastiness has gone away. Remember his own Labor colleagues
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Speaker 2: threw him out during his prime as Prime minister.
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Speaker 8: I was elected by the Australian people as Prime Minister
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Speaker 8: this country to bring back a fair go for all
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Speaker 8: Australians and I have given my absolute best to do that.
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Speaker 8: I've given it my absolute all and that spirit. I'm
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Speaker 8: proud of the achievements that we have delivered to make
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Speaker 8: this country fairer.
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Speaker 2: But then Rud refused to accept the brutal verdict of
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Speaker 2: his own Labor Party colleagues who rejected him as leader,
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Speaker 2: and Rud said about tearing Julia Gillard down until he
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Speaker 2: eventually succeeded returning to the top job before the public
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Speaker 2: blasted him out in favor of Tony Abbott. Now Opposition
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Speaker 2: leader Susan Lee, along with many of her colleagues, today
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Speaker 2: said the obvious that surely Rudd's position as ambassador is untenable.
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Speaker 9: I don't believe he should stay in that role. And
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Speaker 9: to see the Prime Minister actually laughing at his own
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Speaker 9: ambassador in the room when the President made a joke,
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Speaker 9: I think it's it's untenable.
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Speaker 7: If it's not working.
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Speaker 1: After now a year, it's been just nearly a year
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Speaker 1: since the since Donald Trump was re elected. It's time
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Speaker 1: for maybe Kevin to pack his bags and give someone
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Speaker 1: else to go.
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Speaker 10: I think this is really now a question for Ambassador
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Speaker 10: Udd decide his own tenure because he should be putting
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Speaker 10: the national interest first.
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Speaker 2: Yet Albanezi won't sack Rudd, no chance. They are very
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Speaker 2: close and Albanezi will claim that Rudd has apologized and
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Speaker 2: all is forgiven, But the Prime Minister fails to acknowledge
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Speaker 2: that Rudd will never be on good terms with the
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Speaker 2: upper echelons of the Trump administration because of his erratic
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Speaker 2: and nasty past behavior. This ultimately reflects poorly on Albanese's
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Speaker 2: own judgment in appointing Rud in the first place, and
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Speaker 2: this has been a sorry saga from the get go.
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Speaker 2: Remember when news reports leaked that Albanese was considering appointing
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Speaker 2: Rudd as US ambassador. Rudd not only denied the stories,
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Speaker 2: but he took the media outlet to the Press Council.
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Speaker 2: Yet those reports, of course, turned out to be factually correct.
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Speaker 2: So will Rudd hand in his resignation after he's been
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Speaker 2: told in front of the world that the President of
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Speaker 2: the United States, the country where he's serving as ambassador,
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Speaker 2: doesn't like him or as much as he should. It's
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Speaker 2: highly unlikely because Rudd doesn't have the nation's interest at heart.
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Speaker 2: His own personal ambition comes first, and the Washington ambassadorship
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Speaker 2: is a plum job with an enviable lifestyle. You'll never
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Speaker 2: be chummy with Trump and play golf with him like
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Speaker 2: Hockey did. The only upside that I can see of
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Speaker 2: Rudd remaining in the role is Australia is spared his
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Speaker 2: public tie rates and unique brand of vindictiveness. Let's bring
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Speaker 2: it now. Former Speaker of the House Roman Bishop and
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Speaker 2: Sky News host Joe Hildebrand to see you, bod. So
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Speaker 2: what's your verdict on this Roman Bishop? Do you think
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Speaker 2: Rudd should resign as Susan Lee suggests.
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Speaker 11: Well, there are three words crop up. Should, could, will
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Speaker 11: he should go, He could go, but he will stay.
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Speaker 11: And that's because the Prime Minister is a mate. And
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Speaker 11: you've got Penny Wong coming out today running the lie.
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Speaker 11: It was all ha ha ha, No, it was not.
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Speaker 11: The words of the President Trump were very deliberate, indeed
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Speaker 11: right down to you and never will So there was
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Speaker 11: no And the way that Albanesi threw right under the
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Speaker 11: bus I thought was really rather amusing from that point
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Speaker 11: of view, because I just know the closeness that they had.
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Speaker 11: I remember, as I might have mentioned, on a previous occasion,
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Speaker 11: when Albanesi was hosting a dinner for all the people
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Speaker 11: who were.
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Speaker 2: Going to get.
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Speaker 11: Rid of Gillard, and it was in the same restaurant
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Speaker 11: where I was dining, but they were down at their
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Speaker 11: ladies loo, so I could go down and bout my
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Speaker 11: nose and come back and say, oh what a happy
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Speaker 11: little and everybody here.
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Speaker 2: And each drop on your way into the bathroom. Well,
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Speaker 2: you just mentioned Penny Wong's call, yes and this is
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Speaker 2: land and he's managed to line up a couple of
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Speaker 2: former ambassadors. It must be like the First Wives Club.
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Speaker 2: I think so too. And this is obviously going to
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Speaker 2: be Labour's spin that it was all a joke. So
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Speaker 2: here's what Penny had to say.
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Speaker 11: I think anyone looking at that nose that was tongue
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Speaker 11: in cheek.
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Speaker 2: We heard the laughter, I mean, Joe, that is Labour spin.
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Speaker 2: But you can see Trump delivers the message with a
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Speaker 2: straight face. Others are laughing, but he's not.
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Speaker 10: Yeah, well, I mean Trump often. I mean Trump's a
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Speaker 10: very funny guy, that's the first thing. And even when
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Speaker 10: he's sort of playing dead pan, is very very funny.
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Speaker 10: I don't think. I think the truth is no one
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Speaker 10: actually knew whether Trump was joking.
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Speaker 2: He wasn't.
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Speaker 11: I think they were laughing at right.
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Speaker 2: I think there was the joke to say I don't
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Speaker 2: like you. That's not a joke.
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Speaker 10: Well, no, it's the sort of stick that Trump does
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Speaker 10: all the time. And I think one of the people,
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Speaker 10: one of the people laughing was jd Vance because of
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Speaker 10: course Jade Advance is also someone who is critical of Trump.
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Speaker 10: And then said sorry and kissed the ring and it
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Speaker 10: is now vice president. I think the person who see
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Speaker 10: this is Labor.
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Speaker 2: And this is exactly.
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Speaker 10: My point, and I think that I think the person
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Speaker 10: who would find at least funny is Rud himself. I
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Speaker 10: don't think Rudd took it as a joke. I think
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Speaker 10: Rudd felt acutely uncomfortable and humiliated, and I think for
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Speaker 10: someone who has a conspicuous lack of humility, I think
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Speaker 10: it was probably a good experience for him. And I've
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Speaker 10: led him too, if the report's correct to him actually
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Speaker 10: properly apologizing to Trump in person afterwards, which I think
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Speaker 10: is probably long overdue as well. So I think Rudd
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Speaker 10: is someone who has often been the victim of his
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Speaker 10: own hubris, and I think it was a deliberate decision
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Speaker 10: for Albow to take him down a notch and say
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Speaker 10: he's right there. But I think that there was a
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Speaker 10: sort of you know, I think everyone when Trump did that,
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Speaker 10: everyone and then just sort of, as you do in
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Speaker 10: those uncomfortable situations, laugh and hope it's a joke, and
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Speaker 10: because the alternative is just too awkward.
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Speaker 2: But can I just say, Joe, this is next level spin.
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Speaker 2: There is no way that that was a joke. Trump said,
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Speaker 2: I don't like you and I never will. Great line,
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Speaker 2: by the way, and I feel like that about many people.
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Speaker 2: But it wasn't a joke, and they can't pretend it
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Speaker 2: was one Roman. You know, others have pointed this out
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Speaker 2: this evening, but I think it's true. Rudd would have
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Speaker 2: hated the fact that Trump said he didn't know who
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Speaker 2: he was. You know, the writer has made such a
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Speaker 2: business being a man about town in Washington.
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Speaker 11: He would have loathed and detested it, and he would
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Speaker 11: have loathed and tested being laughed at. There was no
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Speaker 11: empathy or sympathy for rud in that room, and I
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Speaker 11: think probably Trump knew perfectly well it was where we're sitting.
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Speaker 11: And I just think that President Trump is a master
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Speaker 11: of timing, and the way he can express himself leaves
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Speaker 11: you in no doubt that this man's time of influence
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Speaker 11: in Washington is ended, but he will stay there till
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Speaker 11: the end of his what is usually a three year
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Speaker 11: term March next year. They're not going to.
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Speaker 2: Second because other people who were dealing with Rudd now
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Speaker 2: know what the president thinks about him, so they're unlikely
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Speaker 2: to invite him to receptions and cocktailities. But I want
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Speaker 2: to move on to the substance of the deal done today,
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Speaker 2: which is of course on the critical minerals, an eight
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Speaker 2: billion dollar US deal thirteen billion dollars Australian. Now, this
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Speaker 2: effectively ends China's monopoly on key mineral Beijing currently has
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Speaker 2: control of about seventy percent of rare earth's mining. They
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Speaker 2: use for weapons, electronics, many technologies. Now, Joe, this has
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Speaker 2: been a long time coming. In fact, Arthur Sinidinas revealed
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Speaker 2: on Chris Kenny's program tonight, but he's started work on
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Speaker 2: this deal.
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Speaker 10: Yeah, that's right, and it just goes to show what
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Speaker 10: I suppose a thorough deal. This exchange was not just
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Speaker 10: with the rare earths and the critical minerals, but on
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Speaker 10: a whole range of other areas. The White House, i think,
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Speaker 10: put out a statement saying signed deal, Deal, Deal Deal.
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Speaker 10: So we's speaking again. This is Australia and Albanez. He's
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Speaker 10: speaking the language of Trump. Trump likes to conceal deals,
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Speaker 10: he likes to close deals, and they've gone there with
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Speaker 10: a suitcase full of them, said right, we'll sign this,
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Speaker 10: we'll sign this, we'll sign this. And it's been incredible.
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Speaker 10: I mean I don't know how. I mean, even critics
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Speaker 10: of the government have said that it's just been an
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Speaker 10: outstanding result. It's exceeded I think everyone's expectations. The critical
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Speaker 10: earth thing is fantastic. It's what got you brain out
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Speaker 10: of hot Water. The fact that they had critical minerals
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Speaker 10: that the US was interested in, and that was what
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Speaker 10: helped smooth things over with Vod Miszelenski after he got
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Speaker 10: booted out of the Oval Office, and Australia again has
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Speaker 10: got a lot to offer, but also put more defense
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Speaker 10: spending on the table, and Trump, you know, far from
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Speaker 10: just sort of you know, saying okay orchest will go ahead,
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Speaker 10: is now saying he's going to expedite it and we're
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Speaker 10: going to get a bigger, better, faster more So it's
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Speaker 10: a fantastic result restracted.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, he's been a solid friend to Australia in these
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Speaker 2: two areas, both of course are dealing with the threat
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Speaker 2: of China bromwyin just also very quickly. It's interesting that
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Speaker 2: there is going to be a lot of environmental impact
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Speaker 2: from this critical minerals mining, which I don't have a
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Speaker 2: problem with, but you think a labor government.
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Speaker 11: Would, well, that's why Murray, what was put into that position,
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Speaker 11: I would imagine, And of course Cook in West Australia,
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Speaker 11: who really has so much to say, is very pro mining.
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Speaker 11: Now the proof will be in the pudding as to
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Speaker 11: whether or not the permissions and the red tape is
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Speaker 11: wiped away and things move quickly because China has stolen
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Speaker 11: a march on the West by a good ten years.
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Speaker 11: So to bring these minds on stream is going to
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Speaker 11: be something that is going to have to be done yesterday.
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Speaker 11: It's going to be something where those impediments are going
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Speaker 11: to have to be wiped away immediately. Now let's see
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Speaker 11: what sort of courage that Alberneezy really shows. The meeting
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Speaker 11: went well, there's no two ways about it. It looked
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Speaker 11: good for Australia. But the bottom line is this, and
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Speaker 11: I'll say this is a former Minister in Defense. Australia
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Speaker 11: is needed by the United States. We are naturally in
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Speaker 11: symbiotic arrangement and.
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Speaker 2: To build on that is attacked China.
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Speaker 11: Yes, indeed, indeed, and China's attitude to Australia is just
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Speaker 11: so the meaning of Australia that they made of an
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Speaker 11: easy crawl to get lobsters to be able to be
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Speaker 11: solved for hidden's sake.
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Speaker 12: And yet we've got to diversify our trade.
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Speaker 11: We cannot be dependent for the enormous amount of trade
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Speaker 11: we do with China, and yet this government has done
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Speaker 11: nothing about that at all.
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Speaker 2: And the latest incident of aggression just in the past
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Speaker 2: few days Joe with the flares from a Chinese fighter
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Speaker 2: jet jeopardizing the safety of Australian Air Force pilots. And
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Speaker 2: by the way, China has responded just today by saying
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Speaker 2: that it was because Australia's actions infringed on their sovereignty
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Speaker 2: and could easily trigger maritime and aerial incidents.
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Speaker 10: Because they've just decided they own the South China.
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Speaker 2: Seir well exactly, the site for the South China Sea,
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Speaker 2: and this was in the airspace. Is an international airspace,
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Speaker 2: International airspace exactly.
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Speaker 10: Yes, that's absolutely outrighteous. Yeah, I completely agree about diversifying
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Speaker 10: Australia's trading relationships. That's why I'm a huge supporter of
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Speaker 10: the Quad. I think India would be a much better
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Speaker 10: and more natural both strategic and economic fit for Australia.
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Speaker 10: We share a Commonwealth background, They're a democracy and really
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Speaker 10: really important and one of the difficulties of courses. There
21:14
Speaker 10: was meant to be a Quad meeting this year, but
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Speaker 10: it ended up being postponed by Hendramodi because of Trump's
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Speaker 10: tariff regime. Trump slapped a massive fifty percent tariff on
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Speaker 10: India and penalty for India receiving oil from Vladimir Putin.
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Speaker 10: Strangely enough, given that Trump is doing Vladimir Putin's bidding
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Speaker 10: with his negotiations with Zelenski. So you know, it's complex,
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Speaker 10: but we do actually.
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Speaker 2: Absolutely hapind that was strange, said, we're really out of time.
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Speaker 2: But Trump's criticism is that there's a whole lot of
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Speaker 2: countries who have been essentially funding Russia's war on Ukraine
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Speaker 2: by buying its oil. So I don't think that's a
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Speaker 2: strange position.
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Speaker 10: For him to take, except at the same time, he's
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Speaker 10: also telling Zelenski that he has to give Donetskin dunbas
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Speaker 10: To in any future peace deal, so that position might
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Speaker 10: have changed, but I certainly hope so. But it's the
22:06
Speaker 10: point is we want to say Trump being a good,
22:09
Speaker 10: consistent international actor, and today's announcement was just a great
22:13
Speaker 10: first step towards that.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, right, Bishop Joey Hood ran great to see your vote.
22:20
Speaker 2: Good to know Trump's taking a good first step to
22:22
Speaker 2: being an international lead after just delivering Well, we're on
22:25
Speaker 2: the cusp of peace in the Middle as so perhaps
22:28
Speaker 2: some more than a first step. All right, Well, let's
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Speaker 2: continue now with tonight's top story, Trump humiliating Kevin Rudd
22:35
Speaker 2: on the world stage. Now. I spoke with New York
22:37
Speaker 2: Post columnist Miranda Devine about all of this a little earlier. Miranda, Divine,
22:43
Speaker 2: terrific to see you again. As always, the big news,
22:45
Speaker 2: of course, is President Trump's meeting with alban Easy today,
22:49
Speaker 2: and the major news story to come out of it
22:52
Speaker 2: is Trump putting Rudd firmly in his place.
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Speaker 5: Well, I thought it was fantastic that Andrew Clenell from
23:00
Speaker 5: Sky News asked such a brilliant question, and he was
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Speaker 5: standing right behind Kevin Rudd when he asked Donald Trump,
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Speaker 5: what do you think of the ambassador to Australia who
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Speaker 5: has been so rude about you in the past, and
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Speaker 5: much too I'm sure Kevin Rudd's chagrin.
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Speaker 3: Trump first of all said he knew.
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Speaker 5: Nothing about Kevin Rudd, which would be such a blow
23:23
Speaker 5: to his ego.
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Speaker 3: And then he said, well, I don't like you and
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Speaker 3: you know, Kevin.
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Speaker 5: Rudd's face was crestfallen is the definition of his face.
23:36
Speaker 5: So apparently, after the media left, Kevin Rudd apologized profusely
23:41
Speaker 5: to Donald Trump for having dissed him before he became president.
23:46
Speaker 5: But if anyone who knows Donald Trump saw that, they
23:50
Speaker 5: would know that.
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Speaker 3: That would be absolutely the worst thing you could do.
23:53
Speaker 5: I don't know what Donald Trump's reaction was to Kevin Rudd's,
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Speaker 5: you know, abject apology, but just knowing the man, I
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Speaker 5: know that he doesn't like that. Kevin Rudd should have
24:06
Speaker 5: owned it, but he didn't. He was a little bit
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Speaker 5: pathetic about it to saying that though Kevin Runn has
24:14
Speaker 5: worked assiduously to curry favor with various members of the
24:19
Speaker 5: Trump administration, like Kevin Hassett, who is his next door
24:23
Speaker 5: neighbor in Washington, DC. And Kevin Hassett likes Kevin Rudd
24:27
Speaker 5: very much because Kevin has just been a good neighbor
24:31
Speaker 5: to him, and so Kevin has it's an important member
24:36
Speaker 5: of the economic team at the White House. And so
24:39
Speaker 5: that's really stood run in good stead despite his baggage
24:44
Speaker 5: from being such a never Trumper. And I have to say,
24:47
Speaker 5: Albanzi Anthony Albanzi. You know, I'm not a huge fan
24:51
Speaker 5: of their policies, but he did a very good job today.
24:55
Speaker 5: He schmoozed President Trump and the minerals did is the
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Speaker 5: best thing that Australia could.
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Speaker 2: Do, Miranda. Many Australians who have been appalled by Albanese's
25:07
Speaker 2: Prime ministership may have been hoping that the President would
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Speaker 2: give him some home truths, as he has done with
25:13
Speaker 2: other world leaders. He didn't do that. Is it your
25:17
Speaker 2: sense that Trump has an understanding of what's been going
25:20
Speaker 2: on in Australia.
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Speaker 5: I think so, and in fact President Trump has said
25:27
Speaker 5: to me on a couple of occasions, what's gone wrong
25:30
Speaker 5: with Australia?
25:31
Speaker 3: What happened to Australia?
25:33
Speaker 5: Because the perception, particularly among conservatives in America, is that
25:38
Speaker 5: Australia they used to look at as like America in
25:43
Speaker 5: the olden days, like America before America went woke, and
25:47
Speaker 5: that Australia is where men are men and sheep are
25:50
Speaker 5: scared sort of thing. It's this old school idea that
25:55
Speaker 5: Australia was resilient and proud, and I do feel every
26:00
Speaker 5: time I go back to America to Australia, which I
26:02
Speaker 5: do every year.
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Speaker 3: I do feel that the.
26:04
Speaker 5: Country has changed significantly, and that's what a Trump and
26:09
Speaker 5: other people in the mega movement in America are picking
26:12
Speaker 5: up on. And so I was sort of surprised because
26:16
Speaker 5: I know there is a lot of negativity with Trump
26:19
Speaker 5: and the cabinet about Australia's turned to the woke. But
26:24
Speaker 5: also I've been told by Trump's team that they quite
26:29
Speaker 5: like doing trade deals with left wing governments.
26:32
Speaker 3: They specifically said this to me, and I said why,
26:35
Speaker 3: and they.
26:36
Speaker 5: Said, because they are quite willing to throw their agriculture industry,
26:42
Speaker 5: to throw their farmers under the bus.
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Speaker 3: And so.
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Speaker 5: You know, that's kind of what's happened in Australia with
26:49
Speaker 5: American beef. Americans were very happy about American beef going
26:53
Speaker 5: into Australia, but I know from talking to American farmers
26:56
Speaker 5: they don't like imported beef. They don't want foot in
27:00
Speaker 5: disease in their country. So I think that's where you've
27:05
Speaker 5: got Labor doesn't care to hoots about Australian farmers, and
27:10
Speaker 5: so I think Trump is looking at this minerals deal
27:14
Speaker 5: as being a very optically anyway, it's a real solution
27:19
Speaker 5: to the China problem, and China is playing hardball when
27:24
Speaker 5: it comes to rare earths, and so I know that
27:27
Speaker 5: Americans are desperate to find an alternative.
27:31
Speaker 3: To China and to fix the supply chain, and.
27:33
Speaker 5: So Australia, whether it's a mirage or not, Australia's offered that.
27:37
Speaker 3: And I think that was really for all Albanese's.
27:42
Speaker 5: Failings, for the fact that he angered President Trump enormously
27:47
Speaker 5: by joining with Canada and the UK and France in
27:51
Speaker 5: this ridiculous Palestinian state issue, which actually costs lives because
27:56
Speaker 5: it delayed the peace deal.
27:58
Speaker 3: And Trump was few urious about that.
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Speaker 5: And I think that explains the bone crush a handshake
28:04
Speaker 5: from Macron just recently in Egypt, and also the dissing
28:10
Speaker 5: of Starmer, who you know, I have talked to Trump
28:14
Speaker 5: since then, Donald Trump the president and he says, sort
28:17
Speaker 5: of in this innocent face, oh no, I certainly didn't
28:21
Speaker 5: disrespect him, but it was pretty obvious he was doing
28:24
Speaker 5: it in a sort of ambivalent way when he called
28:28
Speaker 5: the kis Starmer up to the podium, Where's where's UK?
28:31
Speaker 3: Where's my friend? And then kids.
28:33
Speaker 5: Starmer goes up to the podium in Egypt and Trump
28:36
Speaker 5: just says, oh, thanks for coming and turns his back
28:38
Speaker 5: on him, and Starmer sort of had to shuffle back
28:41
Speaker 5: to his place and was very embarrassed.
28:44
Speaker 2: Just finally, China has yet again acted aggressively towards Australian
28:49
Speaker 2: defense personnel, firing flares dangerously close to our Air Force pilots.
28:55
Speaker 2: Do you think the Albanezi government is responding in a
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Speaker 2: strong enough fashion.
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Speaker 5: No, it's really frightening looking at it from the outside.
29:06
Speaker 5: I just see this continually, these buzzing or throwing flares
29:12
Speaker 5: right in the face of Australia's Air Force and navy.
29:16
Speaker 5: It's an aggression that is so naked and so disrespectful
29:22
Speaker 5: to Australia, and it's part of a pattern of China
29:26
Speaker 5: just bigfooting the entire Indo Pacific, and Australia is not
29:33
Speaker 5: a little puny country. It ought to be standing up
29:35
Speaker 5: for itself. Obviously, Scott Morrison misstepped when he tried to
29:40
Speaker 5: do that, and China really brought Australia to heal and
29:45
Speaker 5: Albanisi has sort of come on board and said, oh,
29:49
Speaker 5: we don't want to make China an enemy. It's I
29:53
Speaker 5: think a false reality that Australians.
29:57
Speaker 3: Live in I go back there and everyone seems very happy.
29:59
Speaker 3: It's a very nice lifestyle.
30:01
Speaker 5: But I think it's a borrowed lifestyle because it's dependent
30:05
Speaker 5: entirely on China. I don't think that that would be
30:08
Speaker 5: possible to maintain the lifestyle that Australians have at the
30:11
Speaker 5: moment if it wasn't being propped up by China and
30:15
Speaker 5: by these ridiculous immigration numbers. And that is a recipe
30:19
Speaker 5: for disaster in the not too distant future. And I'm
30:24
Speaker 5: also told by friends in Australia that people prefer China
30:29
Speaker 5: to America. That people don't like Trump. They don't like America.
30:32
Speaker 5: That's what polls are showing. And again, wake up.
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Speaker 2: Australia, one hundred percent. The attitude is inexplicable. Miranda Devine,
30:42
Speaker 2: thank you so much for your time, really really appreciate it.
30:45
Speaker 3: Thanks Sherry.
30:48
Speaker 2: Still to come, Barnaby Joyce accused of being selfish and
30:51
Speaker 2: a wrecker or for his own vanity. Plus Susan Lee's
30:55
Speaker 2: compromise solution to the net zero stash, Will it work?
30:59
Speaker 2: That's all coming up after the break. Welcome back well,
31:05
Speaker 2: alban Easy was so flattered by the compliments from Donald
31:09
Speaker 2: Trump today that.
31:10
Speaker 3: He said this, thank you, I'll use it my ads
31:16
Speaker 3: in twenty.
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Speaker 2: Eight And it's ironic because during the federal election campaign
31:22
Speaker 2: earlier this year, Labor weaponized Donald Trump against Peter Dutton.
31:28
Speaker 12: Remember this, we don't.
31:31
Speaker 3: Want our health system to be more American.
31:35
Speaker 13: We don't need to copy the ideologies of any nation.
31:40
Speaker 5: Thatten's campaign to be prime minister is just a cut
31:43
Speaker 5: and paste from the United States.
31:45
Speaker 6: Is it a campaign tactic of Labor to draw out
31:48
Speaker 6: these similarities between Peter Dutton and Donald Trump.
31:52
Speaker 2: It's not a tactic of mine.
31:53
Speaker 9: It's something people are saying to me on the doors.
31:55
Speaker 2: They see it, joining me our famer liberals Holly Hughes
32:00
Speaker 2: and Daily Telegraph journalist James Willis, I mean, Holly alb
32:04
Speaker 2: and easy has a hide saying he'll use it for
32:06
Speaker 2: his campaign ads.
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Speaker 14: Isn't it just so hypocritical? I mean, it's just outrageous.
32:11
Speaker 14: This is a prime minister who's done everything he can
32:14
Speaker 14: to talk down about Trump. You know, isn't it nice
32:17
Speaker 14: that he's not scared the shit out of any.
32:19
Speaker 3: More Bike Trump?
32:20
Speaker 14: I mean, big move, olbow, well done, honey. But honestly,
32:24
Speaker 14: now he's going to put it in his campaign advertising
32:27
Speaker 14: that Donald Trump is saying he's a great prime minister
32:30
Speaker 14: and the country's doing well.
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Speaker 12: It's just a little too much hypocrisy for me, it is.
32:36
Speaker 2: James.
32:36
Speaker 13: Yeah. I think the funny thing is that, not only
32:39
Speaker 13: during this election campaign, but Anthony Albanezi in opposition had
32:43
Speaker 13: a long history of criticizing Donald Trump, either directly or
32:48
Speaker 13: by accusing Scott Morrison of being too close to the
32:51
Speaker 13: US president. And we also remember the comment that Holly
32:54
Speaker 13: Hughes made a long time ago as well. So the
32:57
Speaker 13: idea of him turning around that endorsement and you using
33:00
Speaker 13: that in Labour's favor is just laughable and it's a
33:02
Speaker 13: bit of a cheesy moment. However, I have to say,
33:05
Speaker 13: not that he said anything all that inspiring, but overall
33:08
Speaker 13: it was a pretty good morning for Australia, albeit ten
33:11
Speaker 13: months late, given that we're probably the thirtieth country through
33:14
Speaker 13: the front door of the wide world.
33:15
Speaker 2: Actually I have the figures on that. Fifty seven. There
33:19
Speaker 2: you go, Wow, leaders fifty seven other world leaders have
33:22
Speaker 2: met with Donald Trump in and the meetings have been
33:25
Speaker 2: around sixty seven because some of them have met with
33:28
Speaker 2: him on multiple occasions, so everyone came before Australian and
33:31
Speaker 2: I spoke about the state dinner that Trump gave Scott
33:34
Speaker 2: Morrison earlier in the show. So you know, we just
33:37
Speaker 2: have to keep all of that into perspective. Now, it
33:39
Speaker 2: wasn't only Kevin Rudd who copped it from Trump today.
33:42
Speaker 2: Have a look at the President criticizing Michael Cooziel from
33:46
Speaker 2: the Herald and telling the night these Latika Burke that
33:49
Speaker 2: she doesn't understand Ukraine.
33:53
Speaker 3: Where do you come from Australia?
33:55
Speaker 1: Who are you the Sidney Morning Herald?
33:58
Speaker 4: There she go ahead?
33:59
Speaker 7: Sorry, I asked question.
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Speaker 2: Why don't you just enable Ukraine to finish.
34:04
Speaker 3: This war tomorrow?
34:07
Speaker 4: Well, if you knew anything about what you were talking about,
34:09
Speaker 4: you'd be able to do. I don't think you do. Really,
34:12
Speaker 4: I don't think you do it because it's a little
34:14
Speaker 4: more complicated than that.
34:15
Speaker 2: But it sounds easy, Hollywood. Do you think about criticisms
34:20
Speaker 2: well worked, firm but fair?
34:22
Speaker 14: Really you have to think when it's when it's been earned.
34:25
Speaker 14: But you know, I think it's incredibly for a lot
34:29
Speaker 14: of journalists to be told that not every issue is
34:31
Speaker 14: simple and that there's a simple solution, that sometimes solving
34:35
Speaker 14: issues involves complexity, and I think that's what Donald Trump
34:38
Speaker 14: was perhaps saying to Latika. But yeah, the City Morning
34:41
Speaker 14: Herald does like to be nasty about other people, so
34:44
Speaker 14: I don't think he was wrong there at all.
34:46
Speaker 13: The funny thing is, sorry, Sherry, that the Herald has
34:48
Speaker 13: run such an anti Trump campaign for a long period
34:52
Speaker 13: of time that they would have worn that as a
34:54
Speaker 13: badge of honor today, the idea of getting a critique from.
34:57
Speaker 14: Because you wrote a story about it about himself.
35:00
Speaker 13: I also think, and look, people, I'm not going to
35:02
Speaker 13: judge too hard, but if you get your maybe one
35:05
Speaker 13: opportunity to ask a question to the US President, let's
35:09
Speaker 13: think about things that are really directly in our interest.
35:12
Speaker 13: And I'm not sure Latika Berks was. I think of
35:14
Speaker 13: all the questions you could ask to a US president
35:17
Speaker 13: about Australia, it seemed a bit of an odd one
35:19
Speaker 13: to me. But ultimately, I think sometimes we made such
35:23
Speaker 13: a martyr, or some sections of the media made such
35:25
Speaker 13: a martyr of John Lyons and how he was barred
35:27
Speaker 13: from the next press conference and all that that. There's
35:30
Speaker 13: kind of this and you don't want to be too soft,
35:32
Speaker 13: but at the end of the day, you only get
35:33
Speaker 13: one shot. Make it count.
35:35
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, and I was disappointed that no one, I
35:38
Speaker 2: mean Clenell did, but no one else came back to
35:40
Speaker 2: the Palestinian recognition question, which we know Trump has strong feelings.
35:45
Speaker 2: All right, let's return to net zero because this issue
35:48
Speaker 2: is tearing apart the coalition now. The Australian Today reports
35:52
Speaker 2: that there could be a compromise position where Susan Lee
35:57
Speaker 2: would repeal the net zero legislation, so net zero by
36:02
Speaker 2: twenty fifty legislation that would be repealed, but the coalition
36:05
Speaker 2: would still support in principle the Paris Agreement. Holly, do
36:10
Speaker 2: you think I mean, you're not strictly a moderate, but
36:13
Speaker 2: do you.
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Speaker 12: There was never a moderate ever? Actually, can we clarify
36:16
Speaker 12: that slace.
36:17
Speaker 2: I was never ever a moderate, you center right faction
36:20
Speaker 2: at alex Folks faction. But do you think the moderates
36:24
Speaker 2: would agree with would would agree with that position? Well?
36:29
Speaker 14: I think there's going to have to be some middle
36:30
Speaker 14: ground found here and this would appear to be a
36:32
Speaker 14: sensible think. It can't just be about repealing the net
36:36
Speaker 14: zero legislation. It has to be about repealing things like
36:39
Speaker 14: the safeguard mechanism and other things that have put increase
36:41
Speaker 14: red tape and impot costs onto businesses that need to
36:45
Speaker 14: be removed as part of a package of reforms that
36:49
Speaker 14: would need to be done. There is absolutely zero pathway
36:52
Speaker 14: in the current market conditions to net zero. It's just
36:54
Speaker 14: a fantasy and for the people still clinging to it,
36:57
Speaker 14: they don't understand how the market works, so there is
36:59
Speaker 14: absolutely no way for a pathway.
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Speaker 12: And even as a.
37:04
Speaker 14: Member of the former Liberal government under Scott Morrison, there
37:08
Speaker 14: was moves in the energy market in itself that the
37:10
Speaker 14: bidding time frames moved from fifteen minutes to five minutes
37:14
Speaker 14: to allow renewable energies. It was a renewable policy by stealth,
37:18
Speaker 14: and it's actually emboldened the renewable energy sector to be
37:21
Speaker 14: able to participate in the market, and it's absolutely distorted
37:26
Speaker 14: it so there is no credible way if you're going
37:28
Speaker 14: to have affordable power prices that you can get to
37:30
Speaker 14: net zero.
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Speaker 13: The main reason we're in this issue, though, is because
37:34
Speaker 13: the coalition backed net zero five years ago, and that
37:38
Speaker 13: has when Labor came in, they suddenly said we're a
37:41
Speaker 13: mile behind. We're going to go in this other direction
37:43
Speaker 13: and we're going to do that aggressively. The issue here
37:45
Speaker 13: is I don't think most people really understand what net
37:47
Speaker 13: zero means, and they assume if you don't back net zero,
37:50
Speaker 13: then you don't believe in climate change.
37:52
Speaker 12: The other thing is.
37:53
Speaker 10: It's really a good point.
37:54
Speaker 13: Yeah, And twenty fifty actually isn't the issue. The issue
37:57
Speaker 13: is twenty thirty, this legislative target which is so aggressive
38:01
Speaker 13: and we're never going to make it every policy, every
38:03
Speaker 13: quarterly update. Labour's going go, go go, and that's what's
38:07
Speaker 13: impacting farmers and really hurting the economy at the moment.
38:10
Speaker 12: It's that short term target and.
38:11
Speaker 2: Matt Kean's running the show. When Chris Mins had to
38:14
Speaker 2: reverse some of Matt Keane's.
38:15
Speaker 12: Decisions and can you believe that yes sent the life.
38:18
Speaker 2: Cycle of some of the couified power stations now. Barnaby
38:21
Speaker 2: Joyce has been attacked by a Labor aligned columnist in
38:24
Speaker 2: The Australian who described him as selfish, a wrecker and
38:28
Speaker 2: an embarrassment to his party. Troy Bramston tells Joyce, in
38:33
Speaker 2: leaving the Nationals, you are a traitor and a turn coat,
38:36
Speaker 2: motivated only by ego and vanity. Holly, do you agree?
38:41
Speaker 10: No?
38:41
Speaker 12: And look what I am going to say.
38:43
Speaker 14: I stayed with the party after I was subjected to
38:47
Speaker 14: some pretty ordinary treatment, as Barnaby has been subjected to
38:51
Speaker 14: some pretty ordinary treatment. But look, Barnaby's got to make
38:54
Speaker 14: a decision for him. I made a decision to stick
38:57
Speaker 14: with the team, and as said previously, you know, decided
39:00
Speaker 14: to stay with the one that you danced with, the
39:02
Speaker 14: one that brung you.
39:03
Speaker 12: Whether or not I made the right decision there, who knows.
39:05
Speaker 14: But I think the way political parties can treat people
39:10
Speaker 14: who are outspoken, who have things to say, who have
39:12
Speaker 14: a voice that aren't mulgible, that aren't exactly the way
39:15
Speaker 14: the parties want you to behave all the time. Now,
39:17
Speaker 14: I'm not saying Barnaby's behave is always been impeccable, but.
39:21
Speaker 2: The statement of the century, it could be.
39:23
Speaker 12: It could be. But look, I'm not going to pass
39:25
Speaker 12: judgment one way or the other.
39:26
Speaker 14: I think it's a matter for every person to make
39:28
Speaker 14: their own decision, all right.
39:30
Speaker 2: James, Just finally you had this terrific scoop in the
39:33
Speaker 2: Daily Telegraph about an Australian taxpayer funded net zero project.
39:38
Speaker 13: Yeah, and this is the kind of thing we should
39:39
Speaker 13: be looking at because there's so much taxpayer funding that
39:42
Speaker 13: is going around in regards to net zero. This company
39:45
Speaker 13: in Sydney was established two years ago. It appears to
39:48
Speaker 13: be run by a husband and wife. They have made
39:51
Speaker 13: their way onto Labour's priority list of projects and also
39:53
Speaker 13: in the Capacity Investment Scheme, where taxpayers underwrite the cost
39:57
Speaker 13: of the project. We've discovered that they have outsourced the
40:01
Speaker 13: majority of the work to Chinese companies. One of them
40:04
Speaker 13: in particular is owned by the Chinese government and is
40:07
Speaker 13: behind the Belton Road initiative, which the Australian government knocked
40:10
Speaker 13: back four years ago. So we've been to Labor. Chris
40:13
Speaker 13: Bowen doesn't seem to have a problem about it. But
40:15
Speaker 13: there's a lot more to this story and I don't
40:17
Speaker 13: think it passes the.
40:17
Speaker 2: Pub test Made in Australia program.
40:20
Speaker 13: Now it's under the Capacity Investment Scheme, so that basically
40:23
Speaker 13: fifty projects we are underwriting to build. This is a
40:26
Speaker 13: big battery in South Australia. The company involved is brand new,
40:30
Speaker 13: but they have outsourced to China and a Chinese government
40:33
Speaker 13: company to build the project in our country.
40:36
Speaker 12: Don't worry.
40:36
Speaker 14: All the solar interconnectors come from China to where it's
40:39
Speaker 14: fine shot.
40:39
Speaker 13: A Stown remote and apparently not a national security y. No,
40:43
Speaker 13: not at all.
40:43
Speaker 2: We keep chasing it, Jane, We'll do thank you. Sorry, right,
40:46
Speaker 2: James Ellis Holi Hues got to see you right now.
40:49
Speaker 2: Still to come. Trump says other countries might help Israel
40:54
Speaker 2: eradicate hum Us Well Angus Taylor will join me live
40:57
Speaker 2: from Israel next for an exclusive interview, plus how pregnancy
41:01
Speaker 2: and breastfeeding could reduce the risk of breast cancer. It's
41:05
Speaker 2: coming up. President Trump today indicated that other countries, not
41:13
Speaker 2: only Israel, may go into Gaza to eradicate Hermas.
41:17
Speaker 4: Have a look, we made a deal with Hamas that
41:21
Speaker 4: you know, they're going to be very good. They're going
41:23
Speaker 4: to behave They're going to be nice, and if they're not,
41:24
Speaker 4: we're going to go and we're going to eradicate them.
41:27
Speaker 4: If we have to, they'll be eradicated.
41:30
Speaker 3: And they know that. Do you say we are going
41:32
Speaker 3: to eradicate ha mask who is we? Does that include
41:34
Speaker 3: American who's on the ground.
41:36
Speaker 4: No, it won't be on the ground at all. We
41:38
Speaker 4: don't need to because we have many countries, as you know,
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Speaker 4: signed on to this deal.
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Speaker 2: Shadow Defense Minister Angus Taylor is in Israel and he
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Speaker 2: joins me now for an exclusive interview. Angus, good to
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Speaker 2: see you now. Starting with that point, the President today
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Speaker 2: ruled out American boots on the ground, but he seemed
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Speaker 2: to be indicating that there might be other countries who
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Speaker 2: go in to defeat her Mass, not just Israel. Do
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Speaker 2: you think it's looking increasingly likely that her Mass will
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Speaker 2: have to be militarily eliminated.
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Speaker 7: Well, Chara, it's great to be with you, and can
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Speaker 7: I say it's very clear that her Maas's command structure
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Speaker 7: has been completely decimated, destroyed by the IDF. However, it's
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Speaker 7: also clear that her Maas is still strong in Gaza,
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Speaker 7: has not been completely eliminated, and has ambitions, and it
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Speaker 7: may well take force to solve that problem. There's a
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Speaker 7: sense of optimism here in Israel, but I think is
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Speaker 7: optimism tempered by realism that har Maas is still there
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Speaker 7: and will need to be dealt with.
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Speaker 4: Now.
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Speaker 7: The hope, of course is the Arab States will play
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Speaker 7: a significant role in this. I think the IDF is
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Speaker 7: going to continue to have to play a significant role,
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Speaker 7: the Israel Defense force, of course, but this has got
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Speaker 7: a long way to play out, and it's incredibly important
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Speaker 7: this that we continue to support Israel in the work
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Speaker 7: it has to do along with other countries to make
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Speaker 7: sure her mask is completely eliminated.
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Speaker 2: And as we've been speaking, the US Vice President jd
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Speaker 2: Vance has landed in Israel as part of these talks
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Speaker 2: and this commitment, so you might bump into him while
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Speaker 2: you're their angers. Now. None of the journalists today asks
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Speaker 2: Trump about his view on Australia's hostility to Israel over
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Speaker 2: the past two years. Has this been a theme, the
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Speaker 2: hostility that you've been hearing about since you arrived in Israel.
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Speaker 7: Gary, I have to say, the most surprising thing for
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Speaker 7: me in the time I've spent in Israel so far
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Speaker 7: is the disappointment that's been expressed towards the Australian government.
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Speaker 7: It is a major feature. You would think that Australia's
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Speaker 7: attitude would be peripheral. It's not the recognition. The premature
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Speaker 7: recognition and I think completely incorrect recognition of Palestine by
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Speaker 7: the Australian government is a major feature of discussion here
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Speaker 7: and a huge disappointment to the Israelis. And I think
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Speaker 7: it means it suggests to us we do have an
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Speaker 7: important role to play. We are a smaller country, but
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Speaker 7: we punch beyond our weight and so the decisions we
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Speaker 7: make really matter, and I think this is a hugely
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Speaker 7: important issue. It was the wrong decision by the government
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Speaker 7: and that is being reflected in the attitudes here in
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Speaker 7: Israel right now.
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Speaker 2: I think also why people in Israel are so shocked
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Speaker 2: at Australia, because I hear it all the time as well,
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Speaker 2: is because of the strength of the relationship in the past,
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Speaker 2: and this is such a departure from it. And Israel's
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Speaker 2: Deputy Foreign Affairs Minister sh Around Haskell is currently on
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Speaker 2: a tour of the Pacific. You'll visit New Zealand, but
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Speaker 2: not Australia, so I'm sure you will continue to hear
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Speaker 2: that theme while you're there.
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Speaker 7: That's absolutely right, Shari. And this is I mean, it
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Speaker 7: has been striking to me. I was aware of it,
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Speaker 7: but I've been struck by how strong it is. We
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Speaker 7: have made it a serious era here and our position,
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Speaker 7: of course is the opposition will continue to be that
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Speaker 7: it was an error and it needs to be corrected.
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Speaker 2: Look, while you've been in Israel, Barnaby Joyce has announced
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Speaker 2: he'll quit the Nationals overn at zero, a compromised position
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Speaker 2: has been suggested where the Coalition would support the Paris
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Speaker 2: targets but not the legislation. What's your view on this compromise.
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Speaker 7: Well, can I say a couple of things about this, Sharry.
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Speaker 7: The first is that we never supported in the last term.
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Speaker 7: This position of having legislation behind net zero was not
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Speaker 7: something we ever supported in the previous When we're in government,
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Speaker 7: and it will be no change of our position to
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Speaker 7: say that we don't support that legislation. Secondly, we should
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Speaker 7: never support though a destructive and unachievable target. The twenty
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Speaker 7: thirty five targets would be at our labours sixty two
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Speaker 7: to seventy percent target, unachievable and destructive, and should that
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Speaker 7: principle should apply to any target. And Labour's own policy
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Speaker 7: works says that it would require a three hundred dollars
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Speaker 7: carbon tax in order to achieve these targets and that
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Speaker 7: is stereriously out of line with what is right for
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Speaker 7: the Australian economy and the Australian people. Well, we've got
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Speaker 7: our review process which we're working our way through, and
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Speaker 7: I won't preempt that, but I think those principles are
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Speaker 7: very clear.
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Speaker 2: Well, you say you won't preempt it. But your answer
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Speaker 2: just then sounded pretty clear that you wouldn't support any targets,
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Speaker 2: which obviously would include the Paris twenty fifty target. I
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Speaker 2: just want to get your reaction to Kevin Rudd's position.
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Speaker 2: Do you agree with some of your colleagues, including Susan Lee,
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Speaker 2: that Rudd's position is now untenable.
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Speaker 7: It's pretty extraordinary, isn't it. You've got the American President
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Speaker 7: saying he doesn't know the ambassador, but he doesn't like
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Speaker 7: him and he never will. That seems to be pretty
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Speaker 7: compelling condemn And there's a real question, this serious question
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Speaker 7: about whether Kevin the investor can do his job under
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Speaker 7: those circumstances with what has been said by the American President.
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Speaker 7: And I don't know how it's tenable.
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Speaker 2: I really don't you think Albaneze should recall him?
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Speaker 7: Well, I think Kevin Rudd should quit the job if
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Speaker 7: he can't do it. I think that's pretty clear. And
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Speaker 7: I tell you what, that was a very clear condemnation.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and I'm sure one that many Australians would support.
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Speaker 2: Angus Taylor have a terrific trip in Israel. Great to
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Speaker 2: see you there. Stay safe, of course.
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Speaker 7: Thanks chreck after the.
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Speaker 2: Break How pregnancy and breastfeeding can reduce the risk of
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Speaker 2: breast cancer. That's next. A breakthrough today has linked pregnancy
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Speaker 2: and breastfeeding with a reduced breast cancer risk. Research published
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Speaker 2: in academic journal Nature reveals that mothers develop special infection
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Speaker 2: fighting immune cells called T cells, which live in breast
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Speaker 2: tissue for decades and act as a guard ready to
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Speaker 2: attack cells that could potentially become cancerous.
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Speaker 15: Breastfeeding seems to protect against the development of breast cancer.
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Speaker 15: What we found was that breastfeeding is able to train
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Speaker 15: those T cells to become good at patrolling the breast tissue,
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Speaker 15: detecting any cells that are beginning to turn cancerous, and
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Speaker 15: then eliminating them before that can happen. In some women
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Speaker 15: that develop breast cancer even though they breastfeed, that there's
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Speaker 15: higher evidence of immune activation there, and that the outcomes
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Speaker 15: for those women when we treat the cancer are better.
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Speaker 2: Incredible discovery about a disease that affects far too many women.
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Speaker 2: That's all tonight. Here's Paul Murray