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S5 Bonus Zizan Cult Unveiled The Early Days of the Zizians - In Her Own Words - Ep 2 · True Crime and Wine Time

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  Speaker 1: Mm hmmmmm, h.
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  Speaker 2: M hmmmm. Hey, everybody, welcome true crime and Wine Time.
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  Speaker 2: True Crime and Wine Time, but the special investigation physizians. Yes,
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  Speaker 2: it's it's been a roller coaster so far.
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  Speaker 1: That it has.
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  Speaker 3: I don't think I don't think it's disappointed anybody yet.
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  Speaker 2: I don't think it will. I can't imagine it disappointing anybody.
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  Speaker 2: You you know me and and you know Tara. But
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  Speaker 2: who you don't know is who's down below us but
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  Speaker 2: certainly still above us, because she lifts the content up
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  Speaker 2: and and and that would be Captain then capt'n.
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  Speaker 1: How are you doing, hey, guys, I would be lying
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  Speaker 1: if I didn't say I was super nervous for it
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  Speaker 1: to be on stream tonight. But I'm happy to be here,
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  Speaker 1: and I do. Most of our viewers know me because
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  Speaker 1: I'm always making bad jokes and chats. So now you
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  Speaker 1: get to hear them in my voice.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, right now, we'll know forever the tone of her
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  Speaker 3: her voice. Thank you for being here, Cabin. We're so
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  Speaker 3: excited to have you. I told some people there was
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  Speaker 3: going to be a surprise tonight, and the surprise is you,
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  Speaker 3: and you look beautiful tonight, Our dear Terry couldn't be
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  Speaker 3: with us tonight, but she is in the chest, so
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  Speaker 3: maybe hopefully we don't disappoint her tonight and her just
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  Speaker 3: be like.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, we are. We are a duo of of of
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  Speaker 2: unfortunate events, is what we are. I mean couldn't control hers.
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  Speaker 2: I couldn't really control mine. But you know I wasn't
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  Speaker 2: here on Thursday because a neurovirus. It was just bad. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: it's it's been quite the seven to ten days I suppose.
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  Speaker 2: But Terry said, she's holding down the bed. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: your job, don't let it take off. This is not
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  Speaker 2: bed knobs and broomsticks or little Nemo. So and that's
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  Speaker 2: a deep if you know what I'm talking about, that's
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  Speaker 2: a deep damn cut. Well, Uh, there do you want
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  Speaker 2: to do? You want to talk about what's in store?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, So we're here tonight to bring to you guys,
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  Speaker 3: episode two of our special investigation, Zizzion's Unveiled.
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  Speaker 2: Uh.
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  Speaker 3: This is a multi part deep dive into the world
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  Speaker 3: of the Zizzian Cult, a group of radical trans vegan
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  Speaker 3: rationalist anarchists that have left a trail of bodies from
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  Speaker 3: coast to coast recently. This is by far the wildest,
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  Speaker 3: most complex true crime case I have ever come across.
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  Speaker 3: And I've been in this world for a long time.
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  Speaker 3: And because it's so recent, there's new news coming out
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  Speaker 3: all the time. So we got a lot of information
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  Speaker 3: to give you guys. But so for the next several Sundays,
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  Speaker 3: to make this story easier, we've broken it down. So
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  Speaker 3: for the next several Sundays, you can join us here
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  Speaker 3: at nine pm Eastern as we unspend this insane web
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  Speaker 3: of craziness they weaved. And so if you haven't yet,
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  Speaker 3: be sure to like this video so people can see
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  Speaker 3: us and watch with us, and subscribe to our channel
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  Speaker 3: and turn that notification bell on so you don't miss
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  Speaker 3: when we go live.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, and if there's one thing that I learned about
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  Speaker 2: this this series and reading it and you know everything
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  Speaker 2: that's been going on with it, it requires drinking. And
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  Speaker 2: so let's talk about what we have in our hands.
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  Speaker 3: In our hands, well, I'll go first. I'll go first.
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  Speaker 3: So for the last episode, I made the mistake of
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  Speaker 3: drinking all of my wine before the show. Uh, So
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  Speaker 3: tonight I came prepared with two bottles of Barefoot mescato.
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  Speaker 3: Oh that first bottle is empty already, so don't worry.
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  Speaker 3: I got a second one, because if there's any case
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  Speaker 3: that needs I'm gonna need to drink both of those.
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  Speaker 3: It's gonna be tonight. While reading for this blog, I'm
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  Speaker 3: also drinking out of my Darth Vader wine glass and
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  Speaker 3: I have on my Silicon Valley black turtleneck. So to really,
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  Speaker 3: you know, get into the vibe of tonight, It'll make
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  Speaker 3: sense later, I promise, Katn, what about you?
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  Speaker 1: To be honest, wine probably would hit me a little
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  Speaker 1: too hard to be on a live stream, So I'm
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  Speaker 1: sticking with the last. A Beata strawberry lagger that I
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  Speaker 1: found in the bridge calls somewhat last minute, but according
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  Speaker 1: to the ABTA website, it's made with pilsner and wheat
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  Speaker 1: malts tradition hops and the finest Louisiana grown strawberries, resulting
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  Speaker 1: in a lake gold lagger with a subtle haze. Now
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  Speaker 1: my words, it is my favorite beer, and I could
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  Speaker 1: not find it when I lived on the West Coast.
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  Speaker 1: Now that I'm back in Georgia, I saw it at
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  Speaker 1: the store and made my Marty.
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  Speaker 3: Brass so I love that.
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  Speaker 1: But there was only one unfortunately, so after that we're
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  Speaker 1: going to be doing rather. I'm gonna have.
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  Speaker 3: To see if we have that in Ohio, because that
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  Speaker 3: sounds pretty good. I'm not a beer drinker, but that
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  Speaker 3: sounds delicious.
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  Speaker 2: So it does sound really good. And you know, I
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  Speaker 2: feel like anytime that a beer is described, it really
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  Speaker 2: needs a Southern accent, like and the finest Louisiana grown
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  Speaker 2: strawberr is resulting in the lato louder. It just it
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  Speaker 2: just feels like it needs it. Yeah, I'm just gonna
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  Speaker 2: stick with beer tonight. Why because I can. I don't.
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  Speaker 2: This is this story is wild and I had more
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  Speaker 2: of these than of those, so it's a ballad brewing
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  Speaker 2: Cole style Golden Ale. It's about five point four percent.
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  Speaker 2: It's really not It's not a lot, but I do
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  Speaker 2: have five of them, so yay, it's pretty good for
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  Speaker 2: it being like in the sixties right now outside which
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  Speaker 2: is been weird. It was very breezy today, not nearly
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  Speaker 2: as breezy for some of our as it has been
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  Speaker 2: for some of our friends Captain included, and a few
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  Speaker 2: others who are here with us tonight. Please stay safe,
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  Speaker 2: by the way, But uh, yeah, no, that's what I'm
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  Speaker 2: going to be drinking, and I think we all have
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  Speaker 2: made some great choices. Who knows.
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  Speaker 3: Well, we'll see how I feel tomorrow when I'm like, oh, gus,
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  Speaker 3: I mean porge choices. But that's showing well all you're
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  Speaker 3: going to do.
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  Speaker 2: Hey, so you all heard this last time, but I'm
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  Speaker 2: gonna say it again this time. The series involves many
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  Speaker 2: non binary and transgender people, and we are not going
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  Speaker 2: to avoid the topics as they are important to the
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  Speaker 2: philosophy of the cult. All subjects are going to be
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  Speaker 2: introduced with their chosen name and legal name for the
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  Speaker 2: sake of legal research. We are going to do our
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  Speaker 2: best to use appropriate pronouns, but know that if any
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  Speaker 2: mistakes are made, it speaks to the vast number of
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  Speaker 2: players in this case and the complicated nature of their beliefs,
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  Speaker 2: and it's in no way, you know us, It's in
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  Speaker 2: no way intended to disrespect their gender identity. We are
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  Speaker 2: we are very proud of the respectful and inclusive chat
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  Speaker 2: community we have here. Our regulars know the drill, But
• 8:24
  Speaker 2: to anybody who's popping in, please know that we don't
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  Speaker 2: tolerate hate speech, and honestly, statistically speaking, trans people are
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  Speaker 2: four times more likely than cisgendered people to be the
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  Speaker 2: victims of crime. We are not here to fan that fire.
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  Speaker 2: We are here to discuss how this group of bright
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  Speaker 2: young people ended up involved in multiple deaths. So much
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  Speaker 2: uh and and and uh. Just saying thanks to Amos
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  Speaker 2: for being a member for three months.
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  Speaker 3: Happy member, Anna versay Amy.
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  Speaker 2: So yeah, let's see so just just like yeah, so
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  Speaker 2: just like with the last episode, I say weave. Everybody
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  Speaker 2: else has made some very helpful graphics to go along
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  Speaker 2: with Yes, have made some wonderful graphics to go along
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  Speaker 2: with the story. So if you're listening to this as
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  Speaker 2: a podcast, I cannot suggest enough that you watched this
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  Speaker 2: on our True Criminal one time YouTube channels. Follow along
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  Speaker 2: and believe me, you're going to want something to follow
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  Speaker 2: along with. We are going to do a great job
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  Speaker 2: of helping you visualize with verbiage, thank you, producer Terra,
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  Speaker 2: but real visuals help. So thank you.
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  Speaker 3: Hi, Hi, remember anniversary for you you loved to say
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  Speaker 3: for Ivamas.
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  Speaker 2: Glad you're here all right. So in our last episode,
• 10:18
  Speaker 2: we covered the recent Vermont Border patrol shootout in January
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  Speaker 2: this year that left Ophelia Felix Baucalt and border agent
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  Speaker 2: David Chris Mayland dead and Milo Thereesi Youngblut incarcerated on
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  Speaker 2: federal gun charges. It was this incident that unearthed a
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  Speaker 2: series of previous violent murders across the country that have
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  Speaker 2: been associated with members of a so called cult led
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  Speaker 2: by a zizz jack Lesoda didn't think you needed the visuals?
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  Speaker 2: How about.
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  Speaker 3: So true, so true.
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  Speaker 1: So if you haven't listened to the last episode, please
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  Speaker 1: pause us right now and go watch that video first
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  Speaker 1: in the series, so it's easy to catch up. You
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  Speaker 1: can find it under lives on our channel or on
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  Speaker 1: the curated playlist about the Sizzians, and then you can
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  Speaker 1: come back to this episode once you're got up, because
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  Speaker 1: this is a story where you're going to want to
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  Speaker 1: hear all the details because there are a lot of details, all.
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  Speaker 3: Of them, and the one is they're just all so fascinating.
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  Speaker 3: What a world the story the truth has stranger than fiction,
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  Speaker 3: that's for sure. So now, in the last episode, we
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  Speaker 3: talked about where things are now in twenty twenty five,
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  Speaker 3: but tonight we want to take you all back in
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  Speaker 3: time to two thousand and sixteen, which is the beginning
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  Speaker 3: of this long and convoluted story that we have to
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  Speaker 3: tell you.
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  Speaker 2: How did twenty sixteen become a decade ago? I mean,
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  Speaker 2: Justin Bieber and Drake were top of the that didn't
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  Speaker 2: age well.
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  Speaker 3: A pre COVID day.
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  Speaker 2: They were there, ye, crazy talking them pre COVID days.
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  Speaker 1: No.
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  Speaker 3: When I realized it was like almost ten years, I
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  Speaker 3: was like, oh my goodness, I don't like that at all,
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  Speaker 3: Like anyway.
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  Speaker 2: When people were undercover, crazy and not unmasked crazy hahah
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  Speaker 2: see what I are about.
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  Speaker 3: I like that. So I promised you all last week
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  Speaker 3: that we would get more into Ciz and who she is,
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  Speaker 3: and we are here to deliver tonight, you guys. Okay,
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  Speaker 3: So you see, Ziz kept a blog for a few
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  Speaker 3: years called Sincereously, Yes, Sincereously, and even though she took
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  Speaker 3: it down, just like many things on the internet, it
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  Speaker 3: did not go away. So someone had backed up her
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  Speaker 3: blog and that is going to help us with learning
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  Speaker 3: about the early years of this group. So for the
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  Speaker 3: next two episodes, we'll be reading excerpts from one specific
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  Speaker 3: post of hers, called the Rationalist Fleet to help tell
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  Speaker 3: the chapters of the story. I mean, what better way
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  Speaker 3: than in her own words? All I can say is
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  Speaker 3: brace yourself, you guys, because it is. Mmm, I'm so
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  Speaker 3: excited about this.
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  Speaker 2: I'm so exciting, and honestly will the title of her
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  Speaker 2: blog since seriously, I think it's actually kind of clever.
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  Speaker 2: It's more dense than a toddler's diaper at the end
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  Speaker 2: of the night. So just this is why I have
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  Speaker 2: five yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. So before we get into that, though, why don't
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  Speaker 3: we start with some of Zizz's background and early life
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  Speaker 3: capin What you Got for Us?
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  Speaker 1: So this was born with the name jack almadeas Less
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  Speaker 1: on January twenty third, nineteen ninety one, to Dan and Kate.
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  Speaker 2: Lesoda Daas'mdayas, I'm Midayis. Ama Dais described as fair of hair,
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  Speaker 2: which he was rather vain about, nothing special overall, gave
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  Speaker 2: no signs of his genius, and I say, checks out.
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  Speaker 3: I just love Ama Dais. And then last week we
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  Speaker 3: had Maximilian Bentley Snyder like, ugh, ugh amazing.
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  Speaker 1: These parents amazing. They knew they were destined for something.
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  Speaker 1: This was assigned male at birth, but later in her
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  Speaker 1: life began identifying as female. She grew up in Fairbanks,
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  Speaker 1: Alaska with her two sisters, Naomi and Rachel. Her parents
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  Speaker 1: were both professionals, with her dad working as an AI
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  Speaker 1: researcher for the University of Alaska Fairbanks. Not much as
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  Speaker 1: known about her early years, but we do know that
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  Speaker 1: she seemed to excel academically. She interned with NASA and
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  Speaker 1: graduated magnacoom laude from the University of Alaska, Fairbanks with
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  Speaker 1: a degree in computer engineering. In twenty thirteen. She attended
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  Speaker 1: the University of Illinois or Bana Champaign to pursue a
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  Speaker 1: master's degree in electrical and computer engineering, but ended up
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  Speaker 1: dropping out.
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  Speaker 3: You know, just like with the group we talked about
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  Speaker 3: last week again at highly.
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  Speaker 1: Educated, educated and like from a legacy of computer engineering.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, it's so interesting.
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  Speaker 2: But go ahead, I'll say it Silverspoon. Now, when she
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  Speaker 2: started going by the namesiz or why she choose that name,
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  Speaker 2: we don't know what did I do?
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  Speaker 3: So I'm gonna laugh a lot tonight. Don't assume I'm
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  Speaker 3: laughing at you. It's just no coming.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, very true. Okay, So we don't really know why
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  Speaker 2: she chose the name, but it's widely believed that it
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  Speaker 2: came from an online novel called Worm by John C. McCrae.
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  Speaker 2: Because when I think nicknames, I think worm. We're not
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  Speaker 2: gonna get into the overall story, but it's basically a
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  Speaker 2: story of a nerdy girl who gets superpowers and evolves
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  Speaker 2: into a badass trying to save the world. And while
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  Speaker 2: that certainly sounds like a character Ziz could relate to,
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  Speaker 2: uh wait, I have I have something coming in. Uh no, wait,
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  Speaker 2: that turns out that's not the right character. Let me
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  Speaker 2: just check my notes on the back of this beer
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  Speaker 2: can here. Uh Zizz actually took her name from one
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  Speaker 2: of the end Bringers who wants to destroy the world,
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  Speaker 2: because of course she does according to the Worm did
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  Speaker 2: I deliver it appropriately? According to the Worm fandom, wikih
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  Speaker 2: Ziz is one of the aliases of this of the
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  Speaker 2: seymourg and is one of the three original end Bringers
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  Speaker 2: alongside Behemoth and Leviathan. So clearly a villain. So before
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  Speaker 2: we get into a direct yeah, yeah, before we get
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  Speaker 2: into a direct quote, it seems like she's a wanna
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  Speaker 2: be cause player of a wanna be villain created by
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  Speaker 2: I Wanna be stan Lee, So unpack that for a
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  Speaker 2: bit here going for Worm and all we got were
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  Speaker 2: butt worms. So here's a short glimpse the character's personality.
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  Speaker 2: It was just calling for it uh so, here's a
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  Speaker 2: short glimpse at the character's personality, the Seamorg. Seamoorg's thought
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  Speaker 2: patterns are clinical and not human, being very goal oriented
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  Speaker 2: in future focused. She is a cunning planner who, after
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  Speaker 2: finding a desired future outcome, will methodically work backwards to
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  Speaker 2: decipher the critical events needed to make this outcome possible.
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  Speaker 2: She then takes actions in an attempt to causally cause
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  Speaker 2: causally cause these events to occur, such as taking intervening
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  Speaker 2: actions to ideally stop other events from happening that would
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  Speaker 2: causally prevent her desired outcome. Show don't tell, Show don't tell.
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  Speaker 2: I uh, I can't.
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  Speaker 3: I'm embarrassed to even do this right now, but I'm
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  Speaker 3: going to. But sea Moorg feed me seamg'd.
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  Speaker 2: May see more.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, honestly, truly, that's Amy's are the same.
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  Speaker 2: But that's what I thought.
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  Speaker 3: Oh man, So you know what fascinates me about Ziz
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  Speaker 3: You guys. I'm gonna be so freaking snarky tonight. I
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  Speaker 3: hope you guys are prepared. We all are going to
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  Speaker 3: be right.
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  Speaker 1: Oh.
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  Speaker 3: I love how it's It kind of looks like from
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  Speaker 3: beetle Cheese. Anyway, it does. So what fascinates me about Zizz,
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  Speaker 3: Miss I'm going to save the world from evil. Instead
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  Speaker 3: of picking the hero to be inspired by, She's like, no,
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  Speaker 3: I would like to be the naked evil lady, please
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  Speaker 3: and thank you, and I don't. I don't think we
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  Speaker 3: get into it this episode, but during this time period
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  Speaker 3: that we're about to talk about this twenty sixteen era,
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  Speaker 3: Ziz refers to it as her turned to the dark side.
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  Speaker 3: And so some of you are probably like, like in
• 20:06
  Speaker 3: Star Wars, and the answer is yes, yes, it's it's
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  Speaker 3: exactly like in Star Wars because you see, SiZ also
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  Speaker 3: states that her religion is sith like a little fucking edgeword.
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  Speaker 3: And now that explains my my Darth Vader wine Glass
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  Speaker 3: for it tonight. See, I told you I tie it
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  Speaker 3: all into and together there. But it's just like, really,
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  Speaker 3: all the names you're gonna go with that one? Okay?
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  Speaker 3: That says a lot about you anyway. So moving on,
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  Speaker 3: in her early twenties, Ziz began donating and participating in
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  Speaker 3: rationalist workshops presented by the organization's Hold on Just a Seconds,
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  Speaker 3: A little Lot to your story. Lisa Wilmont, one of
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  Speaker 3: our lovely viewers has stopped into the chat and she's
• 21:01
  Speaker 3: kind of a big deal. We haven't seen her in
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  Speaker 3: so long, and she just said, OMG, hello poppets, who
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  Speaker 3: are these three goldeous hosts? I see Hi, Lisa, I
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  Speaker 3: love you.
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  Speaker 1: That was for you.
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  Speaker 3: Anyway, let me start that over again, because I got
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  Speaker 3: sidetracked by awesomeness. So in her early thirties, Ziz began
• 21:29
  Speaker 3: donating and participating in rationalist workshops presented by the organization's
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  Speaker 3: MURRAY which stands for Machine Intelligence Research Institute and see FAR,
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  Speaker 3: which is the Center for Applied Rationality. You don't need
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  Speaker 3: to memorize those yet. We are going to talk about
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  Speaker 3: them a lot. Not tonight, but in the next episode
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  Speaker 3: or in the next two episodes. Oh my goodness. Anyway,
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  Speaker 3: we'll go deep into that. It's not super duper important
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  Speaker 3: for tonight, but zius ties to MURRAY and c FARE
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  Speaker 3: are crucial here. Okay, So both these organizations focus on
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  Speaker 3: AI safety, long term thinking, and rational decision making. They
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  Speaker 3: attract people who see the world in terms of existential risk,
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  Speaker 3: which may have reinforced Zu's belief beliefs that AI AI
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  Speaker 3: ethics was one of the most important moral issues in history. Okay,
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  Speaker 3: like this is our big deal over here, So this
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  Speaker 3: is first what's that?
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  Speaker 2: All I could think of was it's her. Oh, mister
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: Holland's opus, that's what.
• 22:51
  Speaker 3: Yes, So this is first CEFAR residency workshop in twenty
• 22:56
  Speaker 3: fourteen was a very pivotal moment for her. So the
• 22:59
  Speaker 3: p of this workshop and by the way, again not
• 23:02
  Speaker 3: seeing they're a cult, but just saying, I gotta like
• 23:05
  Speaker 3: workshops you can pay on to learn how to be
• 23:07
  Speaker 3: a better person. Anyway, the purpose of this workshop was
• 23:11
  Speaker 3: to teach critical thinking skills and techniques to enhance an
• 23:16
  Speaker 3: understand human decision making, key aspects of the rationalist movement.
• 23:22
  Speaker 3: We are about to learn tonight that ziz took nothing
• 23:25
  Speaker 3: away from this workshop. Nothing no, no good decision makings
• 23:32
  Speaker 3: going on here. But anyway, Zizs writes in her blog,
• 23:36
  Speaker 3: I went to a CFUR workshop. Anna, the president of
• 23:40
  Speaker 3: CIFAR said, I seemed like I could be strategically important
• 23:46
  Speaker 3: and busted me out of the psychological ponnage by my
• 23:50
  Speaker 3: abusive thesis advisor. That's a voice I'm going with tonight,
• 23:55
  Speaker 3: you guys, so prepare yourselves.
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: And that's that's probably the one thing she did take
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: from this workshop.
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: Oh, I I love I love that said, I seemed
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: like I could be strategically important. We don't know yet.
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: You're still kind of on this make believe bubble, on
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: this make believe concept, but you might be who knows.
• 24:27
  Speaker 3: And you know, it's always good when you go to
• 24:29
  Speaker 3: a workshop and then they tell you you're special. It's oh,
• 24:35
  Speaker 3: it's a good sign you're getting involved in something great.
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: I mean, I can get that a green Day concert
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: and enjoy myself. So whatever, even if they don't mean
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: it at first glance, this moment kind of seems like
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: a positive turning point, escaping an abusive academic relationship and
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: joining a high intelligence community that value is truth seeking.
• 24:59
  Speaker 2: But it seems that for Is, attending this workshop wasn't
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: just about gaining new skills. Say it ain't, so it
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: was the beginning of a shift in ideological identity. Seefar's
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: methods likely reinforced her natural tendency towards analytical thinking, which
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: also provided a structured philosophical framework that emphasized the importance
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: of being strategically important in shaping the future. So this
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: kind of aligns with a common rationalist mindset, which is
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: understanding and controlling biases equals power. Thinking correctly equals responsibility
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: to act, and then people who don't think this way
• 25:51
  Speaker 2: equal less capable of seeing the truth. Now, for someone
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: who was already inclined toward moral absolutism, this kind of
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: framework easily could be taken to an extreme. And honestly,
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: that last specifically, that last point just reminds me of
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: anything cult where they're like, we're separating you from everybody.
• 26:13
  Speaker 2: If they don't understand, well, then lovel they just can't
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: see the truth exactly, can't fight for this. Yeah, so
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: it immediately turns you against those folks.
• 26:25
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it gives you some sort of self importance and
• 26:28
  Speaker 3: self righteous it's a recipe for only good things, of course,
• 26:33
  Speaker 3: of course. So what's funny is this specifically credits Anna Salomon,
• 26:40
  Speaker 3: the president of cfr CFAR and, as we'll learn later
• 26:45
  Speaker 3: on one of Zizz's many arch nemesis. Okay, if you
• 26:51
  Speaker 3: think one person have one arch nemesis is a lot,
• 26:56
  Speaker 3: not Ziz, lots of arch nemesis got anyway, nemesis like
• 27:03
  Speaker 3: what disease anyway, So she specifically credits Anna with helping
• 27:12
  Speaker 3: her break free from the psychological control of an abusive
• 27:17
  Speaker 3: thesis advisor. So this is significant for several reasons. I think.
• 27:23
  Speaker 3: So it shows that Zizz saw herself as a victim
• 27:28
  Speaker 3: her favorite of a controlling, oppressive figure, which would later
• 27:33
  Speaker 3: shape how she viewed all authority figures in my opinion.
• 27:39
  Speaker 3: It also shows that the c FAR community provided a
• 27:42
  Speaker 3: sense of rescue and empowerment, making it more likely that
• 27:46
  Speaker 3: she would place deep trust in its teachings and leadership.
• 27:51
  Speaker 3: And I mean, so she's special. So of course there's
• 27:55
  Speaker 3: also the idea that she had been pawned, which if
• 28:00
  Speaker 3: you guys don't know what that means, that means that
• 28:02
  Speaker 3: you're you've been controlled or manipulated by someone. But so
• 28:08
  Speaker 3: she has this idea that she had been pawned that
• 28:11
  Speaker 3: may have strengthened her belief that she was uniquely capable
• 28:15
  Speaker 3: of recognizing and resisting manipulations because, of course, unlike others
• 28:21
  Speaker 3: who remained pawned by social forces, the rationalist movements and
• 28:26
  Speaker 3: AI ethics was a battle between forces of control and deception.
• 28:33
  Speaker 2: So I think, yeah, kind of like the puzzle piece
• 28:37
  Speaker 2: that she was looking for. So okay, question point of
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: point of point of clarification. Are we saying ponnd or
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: are we saying poned because I thought it was pooned?
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: Am I wrong? Which one is? I don't know.
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: I thought it was poned.
• 28:51
  Speaker 3: Is it poon I don't know.
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: I've never said it before.
• 28:55
  Speaker 3: I always thought it was pawned.
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: Bondest pens.
• 29:03
  Speaker 3: I'll get the answer.
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: Oh, he's not watching.
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: We've got a lot of folks here while we'll wait, wait, wait,
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: we're about to unmute ourselves.
• 29:23
  Speaker 3: Elbow feet says it's pooned.
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: P w n D.
• 29:36
  Speaker 2: There's no a therefore this way.
• 29:41
  Speaker 3: Okay, So today we learned that the word is poned,
• 29:44
  Speaker 3: and that's going to take away a lot of my
• 29:48
  Speaker 3: jokes because I, okay, I'm going to make an argument.
• 29:53
  Speaker 3: Pause this story. Okay, pond makes sense because it's the
• 29:58
  Speaker 3: least important like piece in a chess game.
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: But like you know, that implies that that pound came
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: from the English language, and it really, I mean it didn't.
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: It came from gaming.
• 30:14
  Speaker 3: Well, I'm the worst millennial ever. I've used the internet before.
• 30:20
  Speaker 3: You guys, it's fine, it's fine anyway. So she got pound.
• 30:25
  Speaker 3: I guess this is why you include vowels and words.
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: This is why well, I think it is like owned.
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: Oh but okay, well, okay, a kind of gamer. We
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: saw that.
• 30:44
  Speaker 3: Mystery anyway, So and let's get back to this story.
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: Nothing.
• 30:50
  Speaker 4: Wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait sorry.
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: The equivalent of a gamer saying pound is like me
• 30:57
  Speaker 2: walking into a mall and a TapouT shirt. Okay, now
• 30:59
  Speaker 2: you can go.
• 31:01
  Speaker 3: Oh, that's embarrassing for you.
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: I've never done it. I'm just saying that just feels
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: like it's the equivalent.
• 31:09
  Speaker 3: Okay, Well we've settled that debate. Everybody, well can hear
• 31:13
  Speaker 3: and learned something shows over. We're done anyway. So Anna's
• 31:18
  Speaker 3: comment that Ziz seems strategically important, I think may have
• 31:23
  Speaker 3: also planted the seed for a growing sense of self
• 31:27
  Speaker 3: importance and destiny. I mean, if a leader, the leader
• 31:32
  Speaker 3: within cfar this new place that she's obsessed with, an
• 31:37
  Speaker 3: organization that is filled with high IQ world altering thinkers
• 31:42
  Speaker 3: saw Ziz as significant, then she wasn't just an ordinary participant,
• 31:47
  Speaker 3: you know, she was someone with the potential to change
• 31:50
  Speaker 3: the course of history.
• 31:51
  Speaker 2: Of course, what's crazy to me is that, like there
• 31:57
  Speaker 2: needed to be a very specific set of things to
• 32:00
  Speaker 2: happen to someone at exactly the right time or age
• 32:03
  Speaker 2: for a cult leader to emerge, as this plant has
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: on our screen, and yet it happens so damn often,
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: so much. I assume it's just because people can find
• 32:17
  Speaker 2: meaning at the right time when they want to, and
• 32:20
  Speaker 2: that's what leads people to do that.
• 32:24
  Speaker 3: I don't know, I you know, So I think all
• 32:28
  Speaker 3: of this could have really reinforced some ideas that later
• 32:33
  Speaker 3: would like contribute to her radicalization. So we have, like
• 32:42
  Speaker 3: the first point, she is there's a strong personal mission,
• 32:48
  Speaker 3: all right, So if she was strategically important, then her
• 32:52
  Speaker 3: role in AI safety and ethics was corrocial, all right,
• 32:56
  Speaker 3: And then we have a justification for extreme actions. So
• 33:00
  Speaker 3: if the world was truly at risk and she was
• 33:02
  Speaker 3: one of the few who saw the problem, clearly the
• 33:05
  Speaker 3: moral compromises were unacceptable because she's save in the freaking world. Okay,
• 33:11
  Speaker 3: you do what you gotta do at that point, right, right,
• 33:16
  Speaker 3: And it gives her, it gives her a disconnect from
• 33:20
  Speaker 3: ordinary people, right. So if she was chosen for something
• 33:23
  Speaker 3: bigger than those who didn't agree or understand her were
• 33:28
  Speaker 3: simply not thinking on her level. So very similar to
• 33:32
  Speaker 3: the bullet points we just saw earlier, right where.
• 33:37
  Speaker 2: She does seem like somebody who'd be like, get on
• 33:39
  Speaker 2: my level while making like the sucket sign. It seems
• 33:42
  Speaker 2: like that's what would happen. That seems like Ziz would
• 33:45
  Speaker 2: be that person.
• 33:47
  Speaker 3: So, you know, I just I think that this moment
• 33:49
  Speaker 3: at CFR or c FAR, I don't know how they
• 33:52
  Speaker 3: pronounced it. I don't know how anything is pronounced tonight.
• 33:55
  Speaker 3: So I'm Terry for tonight. If you're watching Terry, I'm
• 33:58
  Speaker 3: channeling you. I hope I'm doing abroad. So anyway, I
• 34:04
  Speaker 3: think this set Zi is on a path towards seeing
• 34:07
  Speaker 3: herself as uniquely rational, uniquely ethical, and strategically necessary figure
• 34:15
  Speaker 3: because somebody said so. And over time, as we will see,
• 34:20
  Speaker 3: she is faced with rejection and alienation by her own accord,
• 34:25
  Speaker 3: my own opinion. But whatever she kind of did to
• 34:27
  Speaker 3: herself and this concept of being special but unappreciated could
• 34:33
  Speaker 3: have involved into the belief that she was one of
• 34:36
  Speaker 3: the truly or one of the only truly rational, truly
• 34:41
  Speaker 3: ethical people left, a belief that probably later contributed to
• 34:48
  Speaker 3: her cult like leaders leadership style, because that's pretty on brand.
• 34:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I think that then appreciation was probably
• 34:56
  Speaker 2: that final piece in relation to her personality, ideological and person, identity,
• 35:00
  Speaker 2: and a few other things, and that just kind of
• 35:03
  Speaker 2: click and released into the like a like a dove
• 35:09
  Speaker 2: in heat, don't I don't know what that is, but
• 35:12
  Speaker 2: there you go.
• 35:13
  Speaker 3: She's specially you, guys, and she will not be owned.
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: Well, she's special because a woman or an organization she
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: paid thousands of dollars to attend a workshop at said
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: she was special. As a reminder.
• 35:27
  Speaker 3: Good Pine.
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: But in twenty sixteen, Ziz decided to move to San Francisco,
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: both for a job and to be part of the
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: rationalist movement. On her blog, she writes, I came to
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: the Bay Area because all the smartest people I knew
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: said that there was a global emergency and the neglect
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: of ethics and even care for the future by AI researchers.
• 35:54
  Speaker 2: Because you can't say that you moved there to live
• 35:57
  Speaker 2: life frame by frame like they did in Full House.
• 36:00
  Speaker 4: Whatever happened to predictability, she would.
• 36:06
  Speaker 3: Be about predictability, now that I think about it.
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: She would I I'd go with Charmed, but anyway, for
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: going San Francisco, classic television. Anyway, this was ready to
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: save the world, much like Charms. But once she arrived
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: in San Francisco, she ran into the reality of the
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: tech world, which operated in ways she found deeply dishonest
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: and exploitative. She expected to find a place where rational,
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: truth seeking individuals work together towards the greater good, but
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: instead she encountered startups that prioritize speed, profit and social
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: conformity over ethical principles.
• 36:45
  Speaker 3: So like businesses, Yeah, turns out it's not easy to
• 36:49
  Speaker 3: save in the world.
• 36:50
  Speaker 2: Oh, my goodness, we look at that.
• 36:53
  Speaker 3: Marvel makes it so easy.
• 36:55
  Speaker 2: Should Yeah, shouldn't shouldn't my shouldn't the plot line?
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: Second?
• 37:01
  Speaker 2: Just about here?
• 37:02
  Speaker 3: No?
• 37:02
  Speaker 2: Okay, great. So in a short period of time, she
• 37:06
  Speaker 2: had several jobs, and I want to read in her
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: own words what happened with each of them and see
• 37:13
  Speaker 2: if you can identify any patterns at all.
• 37:17
  Speaker 3: Let's go.
• 37:20
  Speaker 2: Now. The first startup after other dishonesty, fired me after
• 37:26
  Speaker 2: four days. I moved to the bay for them because
• 37:30
  Speaker 2: I said I couldn't implement a payment system for their
• 37:34
  Speaker 2: game in two days, and because I walked out of
• 37:37
  Speaker 2: the office after eight hours of work. Then I found
• 37:42
  Speaker 2: another job at another dishonest startup. I can't do that,
• 37:47
  Speaker 2: which KEPTU demanding that I worked unpaid overtime talking about
• 37:52
  Speaker 2: other employees just always put forty hours on their time
• 37:56
  Speaker 2: sheet no matter what. And this exemplary employee over here
• 38:00
  Speaker 2: work twelve hours a day and he really went the
• 38:03
  Speaker 2: extra mile to get sorry the job done. Real vibes
• 38:11
  Speaker 2: that I'm getting right now, and they need me to
• 38:13
  Speaker 2: really go the extra mile and get the job done.
• 38:17
  Speaker 2: When I refused to work more than forty hours a week,
• 38:19
  Speaker 2: they did not renew my three month contract to work there.
• 38:23
  Speaker 2: Then offered by the job contracts designed to increase my
• 38:27
  Speaker 2: pay per hour, and negotiating these, my manager lied that
• 38:32
  Speaker 2: he had a cons had a constraint in how much
• 38:35
  Speaker 2: to spend from HR. I asked HR. They said he
• 38:38
  Speaker 2: had no such constraint. I confronted him about this and
• 38:42
  Speaker 2: made a counter offer based on my estimate about how
• 38:45
  Speaker 2: much he'd gained from the software being done. He said
• 38:48
  Speaker 2: he was no longer interested in contracting me. I used
• 38:53
  Speaker 2: my technically still a grad student status to find a
• 38:56
  Speaker 2: fifteen or twenty dollars an hour undergraduate summer project type
• 39:00
  Speaker 2: job fuck uses in exactly the technology I knew best.
• 39:06
  Speaker 2: I negotiated with them, trying to convert it into a
• 39:10
  Speaker 2: contract for the entire work based on reasoning people don't
• 39:13
  Speaker 2: hire large numbers of undergraduate programmers to do real projecchecks.
• 39:18
  Speaker 2: I expect to be paid more, but I'm more efficient
• 39:22
  Speaker 2: in product per hour. This grad student and professor running
• 39:27
  Speaker 2: the project agreed and were happy to with a sample
• 39:29
  Speaker 2: of my work. It seemed I'd basically be making an
• 39:33
  Speaker 2: average of three hundred dollars an hour at that rate,
• 39:36
  Speaker 2: for a total of seven thousand dollars I think by
• 39:40
  Speaker 2: the time that project was done, which I hoped would
• 39:44
  Speaker 2: be the start of my career as a freelancer. The
• 39:47
  Speaker 2: professor described how to set it up so I'd be paid,
• 39:49
  Speaker 2: and it required falsifying forums with the university to indicate
• 39:52
  Speaker 2: I was working full time. I turned down the gig.
• 39:56
  Speaker 2: The student paid me for what I've done so far
• 39:59
  Speaker 2: out of her own pockets, seemingly presuming the professor wouldn't
• 40:04
  Speaker 2: stepping back for a second, so it was okay to
• 40:08
  Speaker 2: cheat her out of money, but or it wasn't okay
• 40:12
  Speaker 2: to do that, but it was okay to allow the
• 40:14
  Speaker 2: student to pay her despite knowing the student didn't have
• 40:16
  Speaker 2: any money either. Rationality seems to work for the individual person,
• 40:21
  Speaker 2: unless for the the world. It purports to save dollars.
• 40:29
  Speaker 2: Project sounds pretty good.
• 40:32
  Speaker 1: Sounds pretty good, and i'd false why document for that?
• 40:37
  Speaker 2: But yes, lady king Gray said she found capitalism.
• 40:52
  Speaker 3: Thank you. The channel is yelling at me that I
• 40:54
  Speaker 3: was muted. I'm glad somebody's looking out for me. No,
• 40:58
  Speaker 3: I I just was quickly like you got ended up
• 41:03
  Speaker 3: being three hundred dollars an hour when you are looking
• 41:05
  Speaker 3: for a fifteen to twenty an hour job. Like what
• 41:09
  Speaker 3: that's just I don't okay.
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: The world is against her, clearly.
• 41:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah, the world is a vampire, are you ever? Like
• 41:18
  Speaker 2: you just grab like a handful of dirt and you
• 41:20
  Speaker 2: just want to shove it in somebody's mouth and just
• 41:22
  Speaker 2: make them chew it. Like you all are gonna feel
• 41:25
  Speaker 2: like that this entire time.
• 41:27
  Speaker 3: Like, don't get me wrong, Like there's a lot of
• 41:30
  Speaker 3: things that I do agree with her about here, right,
• 41:32
  Speaker 3: Like it's not okay for jobs to take advantage of
• 41:35
  Speaker 3: your time and your money when they're not paying, Like
• 41:38
  Speaker 3: I totally agree with her about that. And you know,
• 41:43
  Speaker 3: if she decided to not have that job because that's
• 41:46
  Speaker 3: her reasons, okay, But also like that is kind of
• 41:50
  Speaker 3: jobs though, you know, like that's part of the railroad babe. Okay, Like,
• 41:56
  Speaker 3: I don't know what job she had in mind, but
• 42:00
  Speaker 3: I don't even know where that exists at.
• 42:02
  Speaker 2: So I highly doubt that they had they changed a
• 42:07
  Speaker 2: contract or had some I highly doubt the fact that
• 42:09
  Speaker 2: she refused to work forty more hours is or forty
• 42:12
  Speaker 2: hours or over that is the reason why they changed
• 42:15
  Speaker 2: her situation. Her work situation there, I have a feeling
• 42:18
  Speaker 2: was a lot more than that.
• 42:20
  Speaker 3: Oh me too. I mean the first one she talks about,
• 42:23
  Speaker 3: how like, what did she say? Oh, it was because
• 42:27
  Speaker 3: she couldn't implement a payment system and because I walked
• 42:31
  Speaker 3: out of the office after eight hours of work. My
• 42:33
  Speaker 3: guess when everybody's in the middle of a project and
• 42:36
  Speaker 3: she just fucked off, Like that's actually probably Like but okay, girls,
• 42:44
  Speaker 3: you sound off. I mean again, I agree with her
• 42:46
  Speaker 3: A lot of it in but okay.
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: It's not okay, But it is most like a lot
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: of entry level jobs or a lot you know, a
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: lot of manufacturing, I guess engineering. Any time you're making something,
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: there is a push to get that thing done.
• 43:05
  Speaker 3: Woa.
• 43:06
  Speaker 2: So it's not some of us have been in the
• 43:09
  Speaker 2: working world for fifteen years and we're still looking for
• 43:12
  Speaker 2: that amount. So usually you work.
• 43:17
  Speaker 1: Your way up to a work life balance. I heard once, So.
• 43:22
  Speaker 3: Let's talk about this pattern. Did you guys in chat
• 43:24
  Speaker 3: notice a pattern going on here? Because we did.
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: There is a pattern over these three jobs. First of all,
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: Ziz refused to bend to workplace norms, whether unrealistic deadlines
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: on bid overtime, or lying on documents. Each time she
• 43:43
  Speaker 1: challenged authority and was penalized for it. And instead of
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: adjusting her approach, she doubled down on her convictions, Seeing
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: interjection as further proof that the world was corrupt.
• 43:56
  Speaker 3: She called every single one dishonest, every single want dishonest, dishonest,
• 44:02
  Speaker 3: and like, okay.
• 44:03
  Speaker 2: But I hope she had a big old rubber stamp
• 44:07
  Speaker 2: and like she just she's just like it's gonna make
• 44:11
  Speaker 2: me feel better, and then she just pops it right
• 44:13
  Speaker 2: on the exterior wall. So right. Her song is, we've
• 44:21
  Speaker 2: we've talked about this before, but like many people face
• 44:24
  Speaker 2: very similar workplace pressures every day, but usually they either
• 44:27
  Speaker 2: strategically navigate the system or they push back in ways
• 44:31
  Speaker 2: that don't lead to outright rejection. And I feel like
• 44:34
  Speaker 2: I was given this part on purpose. Yes, how this, however,
• 44:39
  Speaker 2: seems incapable of playing along even slightly. Instead of finding
• 44:44
  Speaker 2: a balance between her principles and workplace expectations, she treats
• 44:49
  Speaker 2: every conflict as if it is an existential battle between
• 44:54
  Speaker 2: truth and deception.
• 44:57
  Speaker 3: How exhausting.
• 44:59
  Speaker 1: That's exactly the word I was going to use.
• 45:01
  Speaker 3: Oh, sorry, didn't mean it takes no.
• 45:03
  Speaker 1: No, it's that that's going to be a word I'm
• 45:06
  Speaker 1: going to think as long as we're reading quotes, So yeah,
• 45:11
  Speaker 1: what's coming.
• 45:12
  Speaker 3: It's exacting, guys.
• 45:14
  Speaker 1: But so this is way back in twenty sixteen. This
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: is all happening, and we're seeing this is mindset shifting
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: in a way that mirrors the early stages of cult leadership.
• 45:28
  Speaker 3: Red flags everywhere, you, guys.
• 45:30
  Speaker 1: So we're seeing rigid morality. She sees honesty and ethics
• 45:36
  Speaker 1: as absolute with no room for compromise. We're seeing us
• 45:41
  Speaker 1: versus them thinking where the world is corrupt, only a
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: few good people can see the truth. She's special, She's
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: very special. She paid to find out.
• 45:54
  Speaker 2: We're seeing alienation like everybody else.
• 45:59
  Speaker 1: She's a She keeps losing jobs, burning bridges, and making
• 46:03
  Speaker 1: it easier to see yourself as the lone fighter for truth.
• 46:08
  Speaker 1: And also charismatic rationalization. She doesn't just complain, she constructs
• 46:15
  Speaker 1: detailed intellectual justifications for why she's right and others are wrong.
• 46:22
  Speaker 2: And all of the worst excuses read excuses. Charismatic rationalization
• 46:28
  Speaker 2: goes like this, and I quote, so, why can't you
• 46:32
  Speaker 2: go to the concert because my father figure determined I
• 46:36
  Speaker 2: hadn't excised enough diod for my room, so you didn't
• 46:40
  Speaker 2: clean it? Yeah, pretty much? Oh god, this is it?
• 46:47
  Speaker 2: Oh guys, Oh, it's.
• 46:50
  Speaker 3: Going to get better. It's kinda gets so much better.
• 46:53
  Speaker 3: That's about the only part those job things about the
• 46:56
  Speaker 3: only part of the entire thing she writt And then
• 46:58
  Speaker 3: I was like, yeah, okay, point, that's it, you guys.
• 47:01
  Speaker 3: So let's see. So not only was this's career going
• 47:07
  Speaker 3: to shit, her home life wasn't going great either. Now
• 47:13
  Speaker 3: the story we're about to tell. The only source I
• 47:16
  Speaker 3: have for this story is us blog. And many cult
• 47:23
  Speaker 3: leaders are known to craft these grand narratives about themselves.
• 47:29
  Speaker 3: Oh boy, oh boy, do they you know, using personal
• 47:33
  Speaker 3: suffering as a foundational myth to attract followers. Oh the suffering?
• 47:40
  Speaker 3: So how true all this really is what we're about
• 47:42
  Speaker 3: to tell you? I don't know, because there are some
• 47:46
  Speaker 3: and everybody clapped moments in here that I don't think
• 47:51
  Speaker 3: anybody clapped on. Uh, so we don't really know at all.
• 47:56
  Speaker 2: It's kind of herculeselese.
• 48:01
  Speaker 3: Yeah, the answer back right. But so we're gonna see
• 48:07
  Speaker 3: that her mindset aligns with the traits of a developing
• 48:11
  Speaker 3: cult leader, where personal conflicts become moral battles, opposition becomes
• 48:21
  Speaker 3: justification for retaliation, and those who violate their sense of
• 48:26
  Speaker 3: justice are cast as irredeemable.
• 48:32
  Speaker 2: I told you this earlier, but I'm going to do
• 48:34
  Speaker 2: it now because I know you love being praised while live.
• 48:38
  Speaker 2: This is my favorite sentence of the last few years
• 48:42
  Speaker 2: of scripts. Truly. I wanted on a poster with either
• 48:47
  Speaker 2: a penguin or a giraffe hanging in a severance office
• 48:49
  Speaker 2: for my enee Ah.
• 48:52
  Speaker 3: Well, thanks. That really encapulates like Ziz as a whole,
• 48:58
  Speaker 3: Like that's literally her whole. Big I just told you
• 49:00
  Speaker 3: the whole story. Okay, but thank you. That's very kind
• 49:06
  Speaker 3: of you to say. Okay, so let's get into this story.
• 49:11
  Speaker 3: Are you guys ready for this, because I don't I
• 49:13
  Speaker 3: don't know if you guys are. I just want to
• 49:18
  Speaker 3: say I read all this stuff a long time ago,
• 49:20
  Speaker 3: and I was like, am I the only one that
• 49:22
  Speaker 3: thinks this? This is fucking nuts? And then it took
• 49:26
  Speaker 3: other people reading it, No, it was, and I.
• 49:30
  Speaker 1: Was just like, is.
• 49:32
  Speaker 3: Anybody else reading what I'm reading? And then like I
• 49:34
  Speaker 3: gave it to other people to read and they came
• 49:36
  Speaker 3: back with like the same thing that I was kind
• 49:40
  Speaker 3: of taken away from this, and I was like, oh, okay, Gus, wow,
• 49:44
  Speaker 3: you guys all right, so prepare yourself. It's story time, everybody.
• 49:52
  Speaker 3: So my roommate, landlord subletting to me, fell on hard
• 49:58
  Speaker 3: financial times and started getting pushy about rent. Although I
• 50:03
  Speaker 3: was following the terms of our contract and always paying
• 50:06
  Speaker 3: on time, he wanted to change the contract to get
• 50:10
  Speaker 3: him more money sooner. I had previously accepted something like
• 50:14
  Speaker 3: this in exchange for some other concession. Now he wanted
• 50:18
  Speaker 3: to do it again. I refused. He didn't take no
• 50:23
  Speaker 3: for an answer and got angry at me for stonewalling
• 50:26
  Speaker 3: him when I'd silently walked past him on the way
• 50:30
  Speaker 3: into my room. When he demanded this, okay, guys, So
• 50:35
  Speaker 3: everything we're about to hear, Okay, everything we're about to
• 50:39
  Speaker 3: hear stems from the roommate landlord asking for an advanced
• 50:45
  Speaker 3: on the rent. Keep that in mind for this whole story.
• 50:49
  Speaker 3: Dude just wants some money early, must going through hard
• 50:54
  Speaker 3: financial times whatever. And it doesn't come across to me
• 50:58
  Speaker 3: as this is like some shakedown, right. We've all had
• 51:01
  Speaker 3: shitty roommates who you'd have to pick up the like,
• 51:06
  Speaker 3: we've all been there, okay, but this doesn't quite seem
• 51:09
  Speaker 3: like that situation that she's trying to make a scene.
• 51:13
  Speaker 3: It doesn't seem like it's me but anyway, and no
• 51:16
  Speaker 3: you knows, of course, is not obligated to give him
• 51:21
  Speaker 3: additional rent, like it doesn't see that in the contract.
• 51:24
  Speaker 3: And that's I agree, But I think it's interesting that
• 51:28
  Speaker 3: apparently she had done it before, but that's when it
• 51:33
  Speaker 3: also benefited her. She doesn't give a reason why she
• 51:39
  Speaker 3: can't do it or if she doesn't want to. I mean, granted,
• 51:42
  Speaker 3: she doesn't have a job and it's broke, bitch, but
• 51:46
  Speaker 3: it's kind of weird. It's interesting how vague she is
• 51:50
  Speaker 3: about these details. When you'll see that she has no
• 51:53
  Speaker 3: problem airing all of the dirty laundry about this guy,
• 51:56
  Speaker 3: but doesn't want to, let you know.
• 52:00
  Speaker 2: Listen, to do that. Someone just submitted their application for
• 52:04
  Speaker 2: most Oppressed ten and of the years, You're right, this
• 52:10
  Speaker 2: is not obplicated to do it. You're you're right. However,
• 52:12
  Speaker 2: the reaction of silently stonewallers stonewalling him like gliding past him,
• 52:18
  Speaker 2: like a Victorian widow mourning the loss of basic human interaction.
• 52:22
  Speaker 2: The most like mature way to handle conflict is, as
• 52:27
  Speaker 2: we know, handling financial decisions like there are hunted houses
• 52:31
  Speaker 2: an obstacle course, so like, yes.
• 52:34
  Speaker 3: It doesn't, it doesn't.
• 52:37
  Speaker 1: Why well, I mean, to be fair, sometimes your financial
• 52:44
  Speaker 1: situation is like a jump scare.
• 52:49
  Speaker 3: Uh well, for the landlord, I guess it was a
• 52:52
  Speaker 3: jump scare. But I just I think it's just so
• 52:56
  Speaker 3: weird that she's just like.
• 53:01
  Speaker 2: It's so interesting too that like no one has. I
• 53:04
  Speaker 2: feel like for most people like who have like serial
• 53:06
  Speaker 2: killers and stuff like who may have like rented a
• 53:09
  Speaker 2: house from them or something like that, they're like, yeah,
• 53:11
  Speaker 2: he rented here, they rented here. Nobody has been like
• 53:15
  Speaker 2: yeah she was here.
• 53:18
  Speaker 3: Nobody, nobody, nobody wants to be connected to it.
• 53:22
  Speaker 2: I don't care if I end up getting a spot
• 53:24
  Speaker 2: on like the California like tor of serial Killers, I
• 53:29
  Speaker 2: don't care. I don't want it. It's not worth it.
• 53:33
  Speaker 3: That is very true. Okay, so let's continue on with
• 53:37
  Speaker 3: her riding, shall we towards this time? The bathroom, which
• 53:42
  Speaker 3: I don't know how to lock and he kept walking
• 53:45
  Speaker 3: in on me, was more often than not full of
• 53:49
  Speaker 3: waste on the floor from his neglected dogs. Arriving home
• 53:54
  Speaker 3: on the way to lock myself in my bedroom, I
• 53:57
  Speaker 3: once walked past him in the living room masturbating. I
• 54:02
  Speaker 3: don't know why there, since he had his own room.
• 54:05
  Speaker 3: I guess he wanted to use his big screen TV.
• 54:10
  Speaker 3: You guys, you guys, all right. So I like how
• 54:17
  Speaker 3: immediately she was a picture.
• 54:24
  Speaker 1: I love that.
• 54:26
  Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, that picture is so funny that he
• 54:31
  Speaker 3: got blurt out bars pretty.
• 54:32
  Speaker 2: Big yeahs orlanda bloom too.
• 54:38
  Speaker 3: So I like how immediately she was Like if in
• 54:42
  Speaker 3: any way you feel sorry for this guy or think
• 54:45
  Speaker 3: that Zizz is being a dramatic asshole, don't think that,
• 54:48
  Speaker 3: because this guy is morally repugnant all right, walking in
• 54:52
  Speaker 3: on other people using the bathroom, which literally happens in
• 54:57
  Speaker 3: my house all the time. That's just what happens when
• 55:01
  Speaker 3: you live with a bunch of people. Dog feces all
• 55:05
  Speaker 3: over the bathroom because he's a pos pet owner, which
• 55:09
  Speaker 3: I get. The animals are not zizsus to take care
• 55:13
  Speaker 3: of and not her responsibility. Totally get that. But for
• 55:18
  Speaker 3: someone who is so die hard about animal welfare and
• 55:25
  Speaker 3: rights to the point that we're flesh eating monster nazis,
• 55:30
  Speaker 3: you would think this neglect would inspire her to, I
• 55:35
  Speaker 3: don't know, do something about it to help the animals
• 55:39
  Speaker 3: out at the very least. Oh and if you thought
• 55:44
  Speaker 3: this guy wasn't bad enough, look at this pervert spilling
• 55:49
  Speaker 3: his lineage all over the living room. That line was
• 55:54
  Speaker 3: from my fellow Severance fans. They'll get it if you know,
• 55:58
  Speaker 3: you know, I mean, is that the best place to
• 56:03
  Speaker 3: be doing that? No, Okay it's not. But she said
• 56:07
  Speaker 3: she had just arrived home, Okay, Like I think this
• 56:11
  Speaker 3: guy thought he had the house to himself, having a
• 56:15
  Speaker 3: little gentleman time, and then she just comes out. She
• 56:19
  Speaker 3: doesn't say it happens all the time. If this guy
• 56:21
  Speaker 3: was doing this all the time, I feel like she
• 56:24
  Speaker 3: would let us know that this is some just flipping
• 56:29
  Speaker 3: it out all over the place. So I think the
• 56:33
  Speaker 3: only reason she brings any of this up is to
• 56:36
  Speaker 3: demean him to shame him and humiliate him. And by
• 56:39
  Speaker 3: the way, she does fully name her off this guy
• 56:42
  Speaker 3: in the fit, like she wants people to fucking know
• 56:45
  Speaker 3: about this guy because he asked for an advance in
• 56:49
  Speaker 3: her rent.
• 56:53
  Speaker 2: Anyway, I mean, but the bathroom she didn't know? How
• 57:01
  Speaker 2: is she unfamiliar with doors simply because like she always
• 57:04
  Speaker 2: has her mind unlocked? Like, did she need a detailed
• 57:09
  Speaker 2: power point on how to engage a basic locking mechanism
• 57:12
  Speaker 2: without using your lizard brain before she took action? Yes,
• 57:17
  Speaker 2: of course not. Despite not being able to operate the latch,
• 57:20
  Speaker 2: she still had the time and ability to locate every
• 57:23
  Speaker 2: microscopic offence. And and yes, listen, I mean the home
• 57:27
  Speaker 2: theater experience that stinks. That's shit, but it was really.
• 57:37
  Speaker 3: Look at it was four d d oh, that's a
• 57:43
  Speaker 3: gang bang jt.
• 57:46
  Speaker 2: Okay. I just was like, things in your face is
• 57:49
  Speaker 2: what I was going with there. But that's fine too.
• 57:51
  Speaker 3: That's the same.
• 57:55
  Speaker 2: Oh, well, we all have learned something new today. I
• 57:58
  Speaker 2: was just pawned. It was really obvious that she was
• 58:07
  Speaker 2: logging it into her ever growing book of perceived injustices.
• 58:11
  Speaker 2: Right between he gave me a dirty look and the
• 58:13
  Speaker 2: marauders map now I know that this guy sounds like
• 58:18
  Speaker 2: a disaster of a human and and maybe and probably
• 58:22
  Speaker 2: he was. But instead of whining about it, and if
• 58:26
  Speaker 2: this was a movie, I wouldn't know whether to root
• 58:28
  Speaker 2: for you or tell you to grow a spine, learn
• 58:30
  Speaker 2: how locks work, and develops some basic conflict resolution skills.
• 58:34
  Speaker 2: One of the two go goodwill hunting.
• 58:40
  Speaker 3: Sorry, hold up before we on Sam's comment, I guess
• 58:44
  Speaker 3: she didn't ask for the handshake on requests. That's a
• 58:49
  Speaker 3: seventh shoke. If you guys haven't watched Severance, I don't.
• 58:52
  Speaker 3: We don't get paid by this show, but it's amazing.
• 58:54
  Speaker 3: Go watch it. It's on Apple TV. And I'm always
• 58:56
  Speaker 3: a vailing.
• 58:57
  Speaker 2: A welcome to pay us as Adams, I am.
• 59:00
  Speaker 3: Always welcome to talk about it. Always love it. Anyway, Oh, continue,
• 59:07
  Speaker 3: let's get back to this.
• 59:09
  Speaker 1: Well, I just something to build on somethings. JT said
• 59:12
  Speaker 1: her lack of understanding on how doors work. I like,
• 59:16
  Speaker 1: not only that, but the dogs are only going in
• 59:19
  Speaker 1: the bathroom. So this kind of is applying to me that, like,
• 59:21
  Speaker 1: the dogs get how the door works better than she does,
• 59:28
  Speaker 1: at least where you go. If they can't go outside,
• 59:30
  Speaker 1: they're going in the right room like that says something.
• 59:33
  Speaker 1: Get these dogs in your fleet.
• 59:36
  Speaker 2: The dogs are like, dude, there's a bathroom right there.
• 59:40
  Speaker 2: Get out from the like I understand. Wanted to see
• 59:42
  Speaker 2: things on a you know, a forty inch TV, which
• 59:45
  Speaker 2: you consider a home theater. However, I mean at least
• 59:51
  Speaker 2: it was hard wood.
• 59:53
  Speaker 3: I love it. Oh my gosh, that's what she said.
• 59:58
  Speaker 1: So to continue reading from the book of this. Yes,
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 1: he had an unpaid nanny for housing to take care
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 1: of his thun news stuffs. She lived on the couch.
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 1: Toward the end, she started a conversation with me. Asked
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 1: about my bike, said she had ridden one as a child,
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 1: but now suspects she couldn't. I let her borrow it
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 1: to demonstrate the riding a bike was like riding a bike.
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 3: Oh it was.
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 1: He got very upset over this, saying he saw me
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 1: playing foot see with his girlfriend. When I showed her
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 1: this text, she denied being in any romantic relationship with him.
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 3: Oh my goodness. All right, yes, so hit in the
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 3: south now I keep hitting my desk. I'm so sorry
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 3: if that's loud for you, guys. I am just very passionate,
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 3: so I'm sorry if I don't know until I watch
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 3: it back the next day, have loud dusk and keepboard on.
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 3: And then I was like, oh, that's fe anyway. Okay, So,
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 3: first of all, the unpaid nanny for housing sounds a lot.
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 3: Sounds to me like she was in fact being paid
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 3: in the form of room and bored. Like you're just
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 3: making this guy seem like he's just taking advantage of
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 3: this person. But if they're a nanny for how oh sure,
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 3: says okay, girl, you got it. Okay. Oh and and
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 3: this guy has a son. It's interesting you're bringing up
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 3: the kidnalysis. So Ziz calls the dogs neglected, but nothing
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 3: about the feces covered bathroom being horrible for a child
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 3: to live in. Nothing about that. One also has to wonder,
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 3: how now we know three grown ass adults lived in
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 3: this house and nobody's taking out the dogs, none of them. No, No,
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 3: nobody's taken out the animals in this situation. It just
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 3: seems a little fantastical to me. And she also says
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 3: that the nanny is sleeping on the couch. Remember she's
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 3: nanny for housing, so she had a bedroom before I'm
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 3: gonna go with the bedroom was with the roommate landlord,
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 3: and clearly there was something going on there their business,
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 3: nobody else's, and I don't think that situation's going well anymore, right,
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 3: So I feel like thisiz is taking advantage of whatever
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 3: is going on there to like manipulate and stirring up
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 3: shit to retaliate this guy for again asking for if
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 3: he could, if she could pay rent in advance.
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 2: In in the words of Owen Wilson, wow, Like this
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 2: is like a Hall of Fame disaster. I mean, like,
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 2: was the women scrubbing the chim chimminy chimchimminey and sewing
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 2: socks by candlelight? If your child care arrangement sounds like
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 2: a Dickens novel, you might be the villain. I I
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 2: don't know, I don't know. I mean here, this is,
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 2: this is the thing. Pick one of these routes, and
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 2: it's much more believable to me. Far be it from
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 2: me saying it wasn't shitty, but in your insert side
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 2: eye emoji here, Like, I feel like the fact that
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 2: this was mediated communication and zizz at the moment really,
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 2: I mean, was probably pretty charismatic with people, but not
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 2: great without something right in front of her. Plus I
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 2: think it just was she was going way too. What
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 2: I'm saying is pick a lane, stay in it, and
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 2: it's more believable. Don't try to take the entire La freeway.
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 3: Oh my goodness. Yeah, and her like sharing the text.
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 3: You only do that when you're trying to start up
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 3: shit girl, Okay, we know this game. We've been there.
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 3: I've been there.
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 2: Also, like when this was written, I knew I felt
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 2: like a breeze because at the time when it was
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 2: written that like riding a bike, it was you know,
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 2: she was patting herself. Just just it's so witty.
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 3: I'm so ready, I'm so witty. Look at how such
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 3: a nice person I am doing this simple, mundane thing.
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 3: I am not a bad person. I thought this person to.
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 1: Ride a bike.
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 2: I have my turn book A girl, girl.
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 3: Okay, anyway, let's go back.
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 1: Not not surprisingly, things are going to start to escalate here,
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 1: so to quote again escalate escalating television. So the quotes says,
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 1: he tried to block my exit from the house once,
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 1: demanding that I pay him more rent upfront, said if
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 1: I wanted to leave to refund my deposit, he said sure,
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 1: and later said he wanted me to leave earlier because
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 1: he's found a tenant who demanded a specific start date.
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 1: I said, refund my deposit, which the contract said was
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 1: convertible to the last month's rent if not repaid first,
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 1: then I'd.
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 3: Go, yeah, why did she put rent in quotation marks?
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 3: By the way she put those quotation marks, everybody we
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 3: transcribed this verbatim, uh, now it's rent.
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 1: Why does she Why does she any of this? Why
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 1: does she change tens?
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 2: Does she stop?
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 1: Why does why? Like sometimes I when we're reading this,
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 1: I think it is specifically to keep people like us
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 1: on our toes when we read it out loud.
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 3: Yes, I'm so glad as as other people are reading
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 3: this after me, because I was like, I Christ, am
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 3: I what is happening here?
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 2: Like, as as I was reading this and some of
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 2: it today, I was just in another room, still adjoined,
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 2: and it was little Bruce Crime, bigger little Bruce Crime's
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 2: birthday day, day day, and I was like, oh oh,
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 2: and he was like, Dad, are you okay, don't be angry,
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 2: it's my birthday. And I'm dude, sit down, let me
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 2: read you a story. But like it's just like.
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 3: This is very German fairy tale story by the way.
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well, you know, we talk about the really really
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 2: you know, extensive and strong wave, very very German fairy till. Okay,
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 2: so coming home from arc uh maybe they were the way. Yeah,
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 2: I saw outside he had destroyed one of my possessions.
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 2: I called the cops on him. They did nothing and
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 2: were upset at me disturbing him.
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 3: Notice she doesn't say what was destroyed. Okay, I mean
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 3: it pissed her off enough to call the cops apparently,
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 3: but she's not going to tell the whole world what it is.
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 3: She's gonna tell the whole world about everything else, but
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 3: not not this part. I think that's interesting, and I'm
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 3: just saying it's weird for someone who used all of
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 3: the words in this ball blog post, all of them,
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 3: all the words you can think of she used, but
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 3: she's not gonna tell us what was this read.
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 1: I just.
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 3: I have my suspicions, is all I'm saying.
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 4: It's like he was masturbating a wicked in his living
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 4: room and then he destroyed one of my possessions, which possession.
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 3: It's enough for me to call the cops, but you
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 3: can't know about it.
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 2: Jeez my god. Okay, Oh so anyway, he. He then
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 2: blocked my entrance and said I'd really crossed the line
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 2: by calling the cops and I had to leave immediately.
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 2: I tried to walk around him.
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 3: Yeah, sorry, real quick. I see in chat here it's
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 3: bacon Bit's birthday today. I'm sorry to cause this. Sorry,
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 3: but bacon Bit is one of our lovely viewers. I
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 3: don't know if she's watching, but happy birthday to you
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 3: a bacon Bit. I think she's an adult now, but
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 3: I think it's like a big birthday, is what I mean. Like,
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 3: I think it's our big ones. So happy birthday, bacon
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 3: Bit and Shanka, if you're watching, we miss.
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 1: You, so happy birthday.
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 2: Happy birthday. The lady in Gray's aunt, who's ninety four.
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 3: Oh aunt, the Lady and Gray's aunt. Yeah, ninety four.
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 2: She's lived through some shit and continues to live through
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 2: some shit.
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 3: That's amazing anyway, Okay.
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 2: All right, so sorry, Soziz says. I tried to walk
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 2: around him, he got in front of me, tried to
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 2: walk around again. Eventually we bumped into each other. He
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 2: called the cops on me for assault. With the cops there,
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 2: I was able to get inside my room and locked
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 2: myself in He started pounding on my door, promising to
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 2: give me how until I left. He kept pounding, and
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 2: he could have been in the living room in front
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 2: of his big screen TV. The breaker box was in
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 2: my room. I turned some breakers off. He got madder
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 2: and started pounding louder me too. If all of a
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 2: sudden my porn was gone. He would not negotiate to
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 2: cease his assault. It was well past midnight. He had
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 2: been pounding for about two hours. Maybe he probably needs
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 2: to see a doctor. I put in earplugs and lay
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 2: down in my bed. Just as I was falling asleep
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 2: anyway from sheer exhaustion.
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 5: He kicked my dow down, knocking at table with some
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 5: of my stuff on it, picked up my chair and
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 5: threw it at me as I was sitting up.
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 2: It only hits my raised arm, bruising it. I called
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 2: the cops with them on the phone. He stopped his
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 2: attack after tuning on the breakers.
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 3: By the way, if you're just listening to us, you
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 3: should know that we are physically re enacting the story
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 3: for you. Guys. Just no, so I'm gonna tell you
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 3: all right now, all right, you come into my house.
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 3: You turned my breakers off. I am busting down mother
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 3: fan door. Okay, got new as for you. I don't
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 3: care how it makes you look, but I am turning
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 3: off those breakers, and especially especially if my kid is
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 3: at home and you turn off those breakers, I am
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 3: busting down your mofo door. Okay. And but at the
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 3: point that she's turning off these breakers, it is petty
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 3: betty as shit, Okay, like petty betty as shit that
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 3: you're turning these breakers off. And then you're gonna act
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 3: off fucking shop at you let somebody busts down your
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 3: door to turn on the electricity to go take a
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 3: ship in the bathroom because you spoil all the food
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 3: in the fridge like.
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 2: What quarter coin operated vibrating recliner end of the big
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 2: screen TV like, in my.
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 3: Opinion, she escalated this situation. She took this issue. She
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 3: was like, we're a ten, I'm going to twenty by
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 3: turning off the prob happened, no if I and then
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 3: I finally went to sleep because of sheer exhaustion.
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 1: Okay, okay, I mean she escalated it when she called
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 1: the cops the first time, but also breaker Box, I
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 1: hardly know her.
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 2: No, I'm just kidding.
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 3: Let's see how this goes.
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 2: Oh yes, let's see how this turns out. Because she
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 2: talk to me, was angry for wasting the cops times.
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 2: I like it. How the cop was was was angry.
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 2: I imagine the cops saying, you're wasting the cops times.
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 2: Since I couldn't prove any of this, if he assaulted me,
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 2: then where was a visible injury? He angrily asked. If
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 2: if I had turned off the breaker, that was domestic
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 2: mischief and I could face charges for that. I remained silent.
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 2: He demanded to know if I was remaining silent, because
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 2: if I was exercising my right to remain silent, then
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 2: that was an admission that speaking would incriminate me, and
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 2: that meant I was guilty. It's not how it works.
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 3: That is not how an officer would say that at all.
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 3: By the way, you're guilty, and how granted they would
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 3: use some probably some texts, be like, oh, you're not
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 3: saying anything, so you must be sure. I get am.
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 2: I've got I've got a five day workshop that will
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 2: make you feel so good about yourself, and it will
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 2: teach you about true crime and what cops say and
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 2: don't say. And I also have an igloo to sell you.
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 3: It just sounds okay.
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 2: So but uh, she fell silent. He said they weren't
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 2: social services. People were dying out there and I was
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 2: distracting them. I said sorry in a weak voice. He
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 2: gave me some kind of warning not to call them again.
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 2: Soon after I saw my roommate. He was acting all chummy, said,
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 2: nice one with the breaker box. This this is incredible
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 2: in all the wrong ways. It's all I okay. I
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 2: And he picked up a chair and flung it at
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 2: you and only like hit your raised hand. What are
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 2: you fucking hulk?
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 3: It's probably one of those plastic yard chairs, you know.
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 2: Fair, Fair, I mean the guy.
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 3: Stopped after you got in the room because he just
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 3: went her on the fucking breaker not fight you and
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 3: assault you, like, get the fuck out of here her. Oh,
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 3: I said sorry in a weak voice. Oh, fuck off
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 3: with your bullshit. I'm gonna say.
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 2: No, I don't think the breaker things real. I think
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 2: what she did was she went to her room, laid
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 2: down and fell asleep. I think that's what happened. I
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 2: don't think the breaker thing happened. No. I do think
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 2: that person that's like like thinking up a bunch of
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 2: like comebacks if somebody ever made fun of her, and
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 2: then like somebody makes fun of her and she goes no,
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 2: or your mom and then thinks of a billion better
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 2: ones afterwards, like that's just how she seems.
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 3: Oh no, I very much think she turned off this
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 3: breaker box. I think a lot of but she's so patty.
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 3: As you'll see from many of the things she lays out,
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 3: you'll be like, oh, yeah, that checks out. This sounds
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 3: like her, sounds like her. I just again, you guys,
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 3: she wants everyone to hate on this guy. Okay, look
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 3: at him. He's a fucking pervert who lets his dog
• 1:16:30
  Speaker 3: shit everywhere, bust in her rooms, and throws things at people.
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 3: The cops are on his side. By the way, she
• 1:16:40
  Speaker 3: is twenty four, twenty five fucking years old, Okay, and.
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 2: You just turned into like an eighty year old Karen
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 2: from Will and Grace. And I don't know how you
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 2: did it, but I appreciate it.
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 3: I don't either. I don't either, but I mean, if
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 3: I didn't know better, all right, I would seriously think
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 3: reading something from like a fifteen to sixteen year old here,
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 3: like all these responses are somebody who is incredibly emotionally
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 3: immature here, like it's just crazy. She said, Oh, I
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 3: didn't know. I wassuming that the cops said you were
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 3: arrested for a crime. I mean, you could be they
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 3: weren't wrong, but anyway, I don't know what that means.
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 3: But okay, so what does this do next? I don't know, guys,
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 3: let's find out. So cooked, I called my friend Kara
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 3: and told her what happened. She offered a place to
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 3: stay temporarily, giving her room temporarily and a shared Rationalist house.
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 3: So we're not saying it's the full house house as
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 3: we have on screen, but we're gonna just assume all
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 3: these rational houses is the full house house because we're
• 1:18:01
  Speaker 3: in San francist Okay, Okay, So her friend Kara gives
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 3: to the room. She says, took it. I took it,
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 3: came back the next day, got my stuff, talked to
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 3: the nanny who had heard all of this happening from
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 3: the couch. So that bitch was in the dark too,
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 3: because she turned off the breaker. I'm sure she was
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 3: so happy and on your side, says, for that two
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 3: and a half hour stunt you pulled by turned the
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 3: lights off. Okay, I told her what happened? She said, Michael,
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 3: the roommate, had also taken money from her on false pretenses. Okay,
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 3: she says she had nowhere else to go. I asked
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 3: if she had parents, a weird thing. She says she did,
• 1:19:00
  Speaker 3: but wasn't on great terms with them. Mentioned was on
• 1:19:04
  Speaker 3: better terms with her father, but he lived in Ziz
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 3: redacted this. Forget the roommate's name. She's not gonna redact,
• 1:19:12
  Speaker 3: but she will redact these parents' names for us, so
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 3: in case you want to. I asked if he could
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 3: really be worse than Michael. Quote you're my girlfriend, whether
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 3: you know it or not. End quote. Zamanski I said,
• 1:19:27
  Speaker 3: if it was a fucking domestic abuse situation, there was
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 3: a good chance he'd buy her a plane ticket and
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 3: get her the hell out. She did he did. Okay,
• 1:19:41
  Speaker 3: pause there for a second over what Ziz has to
• 1:19:45
  Speaker 3: fucking say here. Sorry, I don't mean to drop the
• 1:19:48
  Speaker 3: F word so much, but as I warned you all,
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 3: there would be snark. Okay, because this brings out the
• 1:19:54
  Speaker 3: snark in me. So talk to the nanny. Explains everything
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 3: to her. She was there, she's there to see it all. Apparently, Like,
• 1:20:05
  Speaker 3: what do you have to explain. But okay, But the
• 1:20:09
  Speaker 3: fact that Ziz says, I said, if if it was
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 3: a fucking domestic abuse situation, there was a good chance
• 1:20:20
  Speaker 3: he'd buyer a plane ticket. To me, this sounds like
• 1:20:27
  Speaker 3: Zizz is saying, if you make up that Michael is
• 1:20:31
  Speaker 3: beating you or hurting you in some way, your daddy
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 3: will send you home. So just tell him that, because
• 1:20:39
  Speaker 3: take the victim complex and it'll get you somewhere. Because
• 1:20:45
  Speaker 3: she never said anything about witnessing anything happening to this
• 1:20:49
  Speaker 3: sweet nanny, and now we find ourselves in a domestic
• 1:20:54
  Speaker 3: abuse situation that this is going to see her From
• 1:20:58
  Speaker 3: you guys.
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 2: I feel like Ziz could sneeze and get her victim
• 1:21:03
  Speaker 2: complex over everybody, and just everybody all of a sudden
• 1:21:06
  Speaker 2: just feels the need, the need for.
• 1:21:11
  Speaker 3: Well And then she ends that paragraph. She ends it
• 1:21:13
  Speaker 3: with she did he did, implying that, Look, people listen
• 1:21:19
  Speaker 3: to me, they follow my advice and my suggestions when
• 1:21:23
  Speaker 3: I'm trying to save them. Look at what I've done.
• 1:21:27
  Speaker 3: I mean, the reason I wanted to bring this story
• 1:21:30
  Speaker 3: of their roommate is because you really see how very
• 1:21:34
  Speaker 3: early on she is manipulating and moving people and putting
• 1:21:41
  Speaker 3: them against And oh.
• 1:21:43
  Speaker 2: Girl, well hold on, because she's not done with the landlord.
• 1:21:49
  Speaker 1: She's definitely not done with the landlord. No, she's got
• 1:21:53
  Speaker 1: some vengeance to have, so she continues writing. She introduced
• 1:21:59
  Speaker 1: me to the neighbor, who was an enemy of Michael
• 1:22:03
  Speaker 1: and had heard him do the same sort of thing
• 1:22:05
  Speaker 1: with multiple previous sublet tenants. She told more stories, including
• 1:22:11
  Speaker 1: of him putting his fingers into his son's throat to
• 1:22:14
  Speaker 1: get him to stop crying. The neighbor offered me a
• 1:22:17
  Speaker 1: bed to stay in and some marijuana to smoke. I declined, Oh,
• 1:22:28
  Speaker 1: it is rude.
• 1:22:29
  Speaker 3: Decline when somebody is offering you wei, it's freaking rude. Yeah,
• 1:22:32
  Speaker 3: she really should have taken some to ch out.
• 1:22:35
  Speaker 2: I think she would have. We wouldn't be in this situation.
• 1:22:38
  Speaker 2: The thinker down the throat parenting technique, because like when
• 1:22:42
  Speaker 2: you want to be a nurturing father figure water bird
• 1:22:45
  Speaker 2: your own kid with his zone gag reflex, you know, like,
• 1:22:49
  Speaker 2: I don't like, I'm not truly joking about it, because
• 1:22:53
  Speaker 2: that's terrible. I don't even know if I can believe
• 1:22:55
  Speaker 2: it happened in coming from Ziz. And not only that,
• 1:22:58
  Speaker 2: but according to Ziz, this guy was carrying more red
• 1:23:01
  Speaker 2: flags than a bull fighting championship during a communist parade.
• 1:23:04
  Speaker 2: So I don't know anymore. I'm done.
• 1:23:09
  Speaker 3: Well, listen, the neighbor saw this, thisiz lived with this guy.
• 1:23:15
  Speaker 3: The nanny lived with this guy. There's a kid there.
• 1:23:19
  Speaker 3: You don't hear Zizz or the nanny saying about any
• 1:23:22
  Speaker 3: weird shit they've seen being done. But this neighbor is
• 1:23:26
  Speaker 3: this didn't even know that the nanny introduced him to
• 1:23:28
  Speaker 3: saw this happening. I have, in fact, stuffed my fingers
• 1:23:33
  Speaker 3: into my child's throat to get him from choking on something.
• 1:23:37
  Speaker 3: I don't know how old this kid is, so maybe
• 1:23:40
  Speaker 3: that's not for me to just assume. But no, like,
• 1:23:43
  Speaker 3: if you have smatch, like.
• 1:23:44
  Speaker 6: That's not a thing like this sweet like sweet, yeah, like,
• 1:23:49
  Speaker 6: it's not that weird, like and why would you do
• 1:23:53
  Speaker 6: that to get somebody to stop crying?
• 1:23:55
  Speaker 3: That doesn't even make any sense why you would do that.
• 1:23:58
  Speaker 3: But uh, you know, the neighbor offering a bed and
• 1:24:03
  Speaker 3: offering her a wonderful place to say, because she's such
• 1:24:05
  Speaker 3: a good person, people can trust her to let her
• 1:24:08
  Speaker 3: into their house, shared.
• 1:24:12
  Speaker 2: Your she didn't stop it, offered me a bed she
• 1:24:14
  Speaker 2: had to add and free marijuana like like like, we
• 1:24:20
  Speaker 2: just have to go one step further all the time, everybody,
• 1:24:22
  Speaker 2: she didn't take it.
• 1:24:23
  Speaker 3: She didn't take it. You got it, just let you
• 1:24:27
  Speaker 3: know anyway, So let's continue on.
• 1:24:33
  Speaker 1: What is this do next?
• 1:24:35
  Speaker 3: Okay quote, We plotted to simultaneously report him to basically everyone.
• 1:24:46
  Speaker 3: I called my mom, who was a school counselor with
• 1:24:50
  Speaker 3: strong opinions on the flight of children in poverty. She
• 1:24:54
  Speaker 3: said foster care was probably better than that.
• 1:24:58
  Speaker 1: We all had.
• 1:24:58
  Speaker 3: Reports to make to CPS. We called the landlord, which
• 1:25:03
  Speaker 3: I thought the roommate was the landlord, but okay, the
• 1:25:06
  Speaker 3: nanny reported him for driving drunk to uber. I went
• 1:25:10
  Speaker 3: to the police again, showed them my bruise, and they
• 1:25:14
  Speaker 3: still said I couldn't prove anything.
• 1:25:18
  Speaker 2: You guys, the bruise the size of her own hand.
• 1:25:25
  Speaker 3: Like again, this guy. The whole story, Remember, the whole
• 1:25:28
  Speaker 3: story started because the landlord just asked for an advance
• 1:25:33
  Speaker 3: on the rent. Okay, wasn't asking to pay extra bills.
• 1:25:37
  Speaker 3: Wasn't just advance on rent? And now you've told the
• 1:25:43
  Speaker 3: whole world all this stuff. You want to ruin his
• 1:25:46
  Speaker 3: fucking life by calling CPS, which is a big deal. Like,
• 1:25:50
  Speaker 3: I have a very big problem with people that call
• 1:25:53
  Speaker 3: CPS on this bullshit feuds that they have with people
• 1:25:58
  Speaker 3: is disgusting And I have no respect for you when
• 1:26:01
  Speaker 3: you do that, because if Ziz was very concerned about
• 1:26:04
  Speaker 3: this child's safety, she would have done it a long
• 1:26:06
  Speaker 3: fucking time ago, not when she was just pissed off
• 1:26:09
  Speaker 3: at his dad because she's being a petty little bitch. Okay,
• 1:26:13
  Speaker 3: I do not believe this is genuine for one second.
• 1:26:18
  Speaker 3: And when you get out of jail, stat you can
• 1:26:21
  Speaker 3: email me what's that? Oh my goodness, Oh my goodness.
• 1:26:29
  Speaker 3: And so she has went and you recruit recruited this
• 1:26:33
  Speaker 3: guy's other roommate than nanny, the the neighbor. She's gathering
• 1:26:40
  Speaker 3: fucking people to ruin this dud's They ruined his job
• 1:26:45
  Speaker 3: by accusing him of well, we don't know if you
• 1:26:48
  Speaker 3: lost the job, but their attempts to have him lose
• 1:26:51
  Speaker 3: this kid, have him lose his job for what what
• 1:26:56
  Speaker 3: happened to do this to this guy? Sat with a
• 1:27:01
  Speaker 3: sight of law. I know I'm so feis to you, guys.
• 1:27:04
  Speaker 3: I've warned you. I did warn you that, Kinna.
• 1:27:09
  Speaker 2: It didn't end how she had thought it would how
• 1:27:11
  Speaker 2: she had planned apparently how it would quote. I thought
• 1:27:16
  Speaker 2: I had a geontological obligation not to let him profit
• 1:27:20
  Speaker 2: by aggression meant to drive me out of my home
• 1:27:24
  Speaker 2: for resources. I wondered if this was enough. I felt
• 1:27:29
  Speaker 2: like maybe I was deontologically obligated to stay there. But fuck,
• 1:27:36
  Speaker 2: the door didn't really close anymore. There was a hole
• 1:27:39
  Speaker 2: in it. I heard he got him back. I considered
• 1:27:42
  Speaker 2: whether to show out. And you can't put a video
• 1:27:49
  Speaker 2: in front of an ADHD guy and I'm expect them
• 1:27:51
  Speaker 2: to still read a script. The door didn't close anymore.
• 1:27:55
  Speaker 2: There was a hole in it. I heard he got
• 1:27:57
  Speaker 2: him back. I considered whether to show up at fuck
• 1:28:00
  Speaker 2: o'clock in the morning and put something in his car's
• 1:28:03
  Speaker 2: gas tank to destroy it. By the way, somebody, if
• 1:28:08
  Speaker 2: you know one fuck o'clock is let me know Murphy jitsu,
• 1:28:13
  Speaker 2: bring a charged cordless drill to create a hole if
• 1:28:18
  Speaker 2: it was the one of those gas tank caps that locked,
• 1:28:21
  Speaker 2: and actually look up what things will destroy the engine.
• 1:28:24
  Speaker 2: But I decided to leave this as a story that
• 1:28:29
  Speaker 2: I could tell. Up until writing this, I never gave
• 1:28:32
  Speaker 2: him any further indication it was me, who cause it?
• 1:28:35
  Speaker 2: Murphy Jitsu is uh, let's see, it's the practice of
• 1:28:39
  Speaker 2: strengthening plans by repeatedly envisioning and defending against failure modes
• 1:28:45
  Speaker 2: until you would be shocked to see if it fail. Okay,
• 1:28:50
  Speaker 2: so everybody quick, make a plan. Then imagine that you've
• 1:28:54
  Speaker 2: passed the deadline and find out that plan failed. Now,
• 1:28:58
  Speaker 2: if you're shocked in the scenario, you're done. Otherwise, simulate
• 1:29:02
  Speaker 2: the most likely failure mode, defend against it, and repeat.
• 1:29:05
  Speaker 2: If that made sense to any of you, get the
• 1:29:10
  Speaker 2: fuck out of here.
• 1:29:11
  Speaker 3: What I.
• 1:29:15
  Speaker 2: Leave, leave my presence, my digital presence. That makes no
• 1:29:19
  Speaker 2: fucking sense. I don't know who Murphy is, I don't
• 1:29:22
  Speaker 2: know who just is to but honestly, what she was
• 1:29:28
  Speaker 2: thinking about doing with the guest tank that would have
• 1:29:30
  Speaker 2: been a better ending. So maybe I.
• 1:29:34
  Speaker 3: Mean, like, here's the thing, right, is like, so callin
• 1:29:38
  Speaker 3: CPS wasn't enough for her getting this guy's job, trying
• 1:29:42
  Speaker 3: to get this job taken away? Not good good enough,
• 1:29:45
  Speaker 3: or she's thinking about fucking destroying his car. But then
• 1:29:50
  Speaker 3: it's like, you know what, I didn't do that, guys,
• 1:29:52
  Speaker 3: because I thought that telling you this story was the
• 1:29:57
  Speaker 3: best thing to do.
• 1:29:59
  Speaker 1: What. This also further supports the theory that she doesn't
• 1:30:04
  Speaker 1: understand how doors work, but she's going to drill a
• 1:30:08
  Speaker 1: hole into a gas tank.
• 1:30:09
  Speaker 3: So I like how she gets instructions too.
• 1:30:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah, murphy jitsu that.
• 1:30:19
  Speaker 2: I like Alice in Wonderland of regular doors, Like, I
• 1:30:23
  Speaker 2: just don't bigger, smaller, don't you eat me, drink me?
• 1:30:27
  Speaker 2: I don't know whatever.
• 1:30:29
  Speaker 3: I never gave him any further indication it was me
• 1:30:33
  Speaker 3: who caused it. I think you probably knows is you're
• 1:30:36
  Speaker 3: fucking told everybody.
• 1:30:38
  Speaker 1: So very subtle, if nothing else sounds very subtle, super subtle,
• 1:30:45
  Speaker 1: super subtle, super So you know, in a short period
• 1:30:50
  Speaker 1: of time, this has found herself both jobless and homeless.
• 1:30:55
  Speaker 3: It's going great.
• 1:30:57
  Speaker 1: She did manage to find a few places to stay,
• 1:31:00
  Speaker 1: applying to a lot of housing on Craigslist for sure,
• 1:31:05
  Speaker 1: what's going on? Well, you know what, that house is
• 1:31:10
  Speaker 1: perfect for this because I don't think it has a
• 1:31:12
  Speaker 1: door from where I can see in the window, it's perfect.
• 1:31:19
  Speaker 3: Were there hard? You guys?
• 1:31:22
  Speaker 2: Scores are so hard? I mean, listen, here's there's your problem.
• 1:31:26
  Speaker 2: Like like finding places to live on Craigslist, it's like
• 1:31:30
  Speaker 2: speed dating with potential slumlords see kids children. Craigslist was
• 1:31:36
  Speaker 2: like a flea market red run by cryptids. Like you
• 1:31:39
  Speaker 2: might find a great deal, or you might have renting
• 1:31:42
  Speaker 2: a basement from a guy who insists you call him
• 1:31:44
  Speaker 2: the night Wizard. It could be either or.
• 1:31:48
  Speaker 1: No, I'd rather the night Wizard.
• 1:31:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah, night Wizard sounds like it comes with burritos, like
• 1:31:59
  Speaker 2: frozen burritos, sound like a plant's going to eat me.
• 1:32:04
  Speaker 1: But my wizard does sound like he might like the
• 1:32:08
  Speaker 1: big screen experience.
• 1:32:13
  Speaker 2: For some really awkward shit.
• 1:32:14
  Speaker 1: Yep uh so Ziz continues to write, as I was
• 1:32:21
  Speaker 1: introduced to Liminal as the non transitioning trans woman, one
• 1:32:25
  Speaker 1: of the residents who posts pretty extreme anti trans woman
• 1:32:29
  Speaker 1: stuff on Facebook looked at me with something like disgust
• 1:32:32
  Speaker 1: and asked when I'd be leaving. I was then able
• 1:32:35
  Speaker 1: to find housing on Craigslist. Someone said I could sublet
• 1:32:39
  Speaker 1: if I wanted. Then that fell through after they saw
• 1:32:41
  Speaker 1: me in person. And while I am sure that that
• 1:32:47
  Speaker 1: kind of discrimination is incredibly real, it's also pretty possible
• 1:32:51
  Speaker 1: that people seeking rummates would prefer them to have a
• 1:32:53
  Speaker 1: source of income and not use words like deontological.
• 1:32:57
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, it's kind of like she's just like,
• 1:33:01
  Speaker 3: now I have nowhere to go.
• 1:33:04
  Speaker 2: You don't get paid by syllable man three dollars a word.
• 1:33:17
  Speaker 1: Everybody's discriminating against her, even fellow trans people, which again,
• 1:33:22
  Speaker 1: if that's real, that's horrible. That's what's so hard about
• 1:33:24
  Speaker 1: all of this blog is there's like seeds of reality
• 1:33:29
  Speaker 1: in this that happen to people all the time, and
• 1:33:32
  Speaker 1: it is awful. But everything together with this, with her,
• 1:33:39
  Speaker 1: with like Lama said, the timing of events, it just
• 1:33:44
  Speaker 1: doesn't ring true, ring victim.
• 1:33:48
  Speaker 2: But I'm like what you're saying, I mean, I totally
• 1:33:51
  Speaker 2: agree with. And what's interesting is typically the cult leader
• 1:33:55
  Speaker 2: will create this backstory as it's needed, but Ziz present
• 1:34:00
  Speaker 2: as intelligent enough to think far enough ahead to be like,
• 1:34:04
  Speaker 2: I'm going to create this now and then later when
• 1:34:08
  Speaker 2: I need to harken back to it, it will be
• 1:34:10
  Speaker 2: time and date stamped, as it's something I didn't just
• 1:34:13
  Speaker 2: all of a sudden make up.
• 1:34:15
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it just seems to check out.
• 1:34:18
  Speaker 2: You know that this is this is a I don't know,
• 1:34:21
  Speaker 2: this is a person leading their people to the Promised
• 1:34:24
  Speaker 2: Land story, you know what I mean? You know? So, yeah,
• 1:34:29
  Speaker 2: you're totally right, absolutely, and it may.
• 1:34:31
  Speaker 3: Come across weird that, you know, especially laughing over here
• 1:34:35
  Speaker 3: and making jokes, you know, like, yeah, a lot of
• 1:34:38
  Speaker 3: people in these scenarios we probably wouldn't land at that.
• 1:34:41
  Speaker 3: I know, the whole story. Okay, that's the only reason
• 1:34:44
  Speaker 3: why we're here making jokes today is because it doesn't
• 1:34:48
  Speaker 3: it doesn't check out. Okay, if for if this was
• 1:34:54
  Speaker 3: all happening like it just it doesn't check out, you guys,
• 1:34:58
  Speaker 3: it doesn't, and you'll see these patterns. Like the whole
• 1:35:03
  Speaker 3: reason to tell you, guys, all this now is because
• 1:35:05
  Speaker 3: you are going to see with other people she interacts
• 1:35:09
  Speaker 3: with the same things are happening, right, Because that's what
• 1:35:13
  Speaker 3: you have to establish, is the pattern of behavior here.
• 1:35:19
  Speaker 3: And so that's what we're doing doing tonight. So the
• 1:35:28
  Speaker 3: next part, it's unclear whether she was staying where she
• 1:35:33
  Speaker 3: was staying excuse me, when this took place, But that's
• 1:35:36
  Speaker 3: that's really irrelevant to where she is as it's more
• 1:35:39
  Speaker 3: about her thought process here. So she has this to say,
• 1:35:43
  Speaker 3: I cleaned up the basement full of toys everywhere belonging
• 1:35:48
  Speaker 3: to the sexist left out long enough to induce learned helplessness,
• 1:35:56
  Speaker 3: to make the other housemates feel happy with me and
• 1:35:59
  Speaker 3: remind them that they were unhappy with her. I had
• 1:36:03
  Speaker 3: to stop myself from sorting them, reminding myself my intent
• 1:36:09
  Speaker 3: was of pure niceness.
• 1:36:14
  Speaker 2: Getting like a vague blend of Mary Poppins in the
• 1:36:18
  Speaker 2: sorting hat or that that works, rip that works. Though.
• 1:36:26
  Speaker 3: I mean, she's already pointing out like I'm gonna do
• 1:36:29
  Speaker 3: things to get other people to have problems with so
• 1:36:32
  Speaker 3: and so, Like she's all this is her second living
• 1:36:36
  Speaker 3: situation where she openly says, I want other people to
• 1:36:42
  Speaker 3: think good of me, but bad of this other person.
• 1:36:46
  Speaker 2: It's crazy, right, right, And you know, in an attempt
• 1:36:50
  Speaker 2: to save money, which is funny, because that's not funny.
• 1:36:54
  Speaker 2: The funny part is the second part of the sentence,
• 1:36:56
  Speaker 2: because they don't go together. And in an attempt to
• 1:36:59
  Speaker 2: say of money, Ziz began booking air and b airbnb's
• 1:37:04
  Speaker 2: for one or two months max, and would start moving
• 1:37:08
  Speaker 2: farther from the rationalist parts of the Bay Area in
• 1:37:12
  Speaker 2: an attempt to in it. I I sorry, I I
• 1:37:18
  Speaker 2: think I just like wigged out a little bit there.
• 1:37:21
  Speaker 2: Her job search still wasn't going well, mostly because Ziz
• 1:37:25
  Speaker 2: was too honest and not a c pwn. Is would
• 1:37:32
  Speaker 2: be pawn, but maybe it's a pone.
• 1:37:36
  Speaker 3: Oh no, you know, none of this story makes sense.
• 1:37:42
  Speaker 3: I think we should just go with pond because none
• 1:37:46
  Speaker 3: of this makes sense anyway.
• 1:37:48
  Speaker 1: I like the.
• 1:37:53
  Speaker 2: Pone or pawn. If I had a dime for every
• 1:37:55
  Speaker 2: time I said that exact sentence, I'd have one dime,
• 1:38:00
  Speaker 2: just one one time. I could not imagine honestly saying that, ever,
• 1:38:08
  Speaker 2: So let's go a little more into this career situation.
• 1:38:16
  Speaker 2: At a rationalist party, I asked a friend for meetups
• 1:38:22
  Speaker 2: who worked at Google if she knew why my application
• 1:38:26
  Speaker 2: I made about eight months earlier in the year never
• 1:38:28
  Speaker 2: got a response. She said she would look into it.
• 1:38:32
  Speaker 2: I got an email from Google saying they wanted to
• 1:38:35
  Speaker 2: interview me, that there would be a series of interviews
• 1:38:38
  Speaker 2: and if I passed them all, i'd have my case
• 1:38:41
  Speaker 2: sent to the committee, and then if I passed that,
• 1:38:44
  Speaker 2: I'd be hired. I also applied to other big tech companies,
• 1:38:48
  Speaker 2: finding excuse me finding an acquaintance to give me a referral,
• 1:38:53
  Speaker 2: but I never got a response. I was running out
• 1:38:56
  Speaker 2: of money quickly from Airbnb's. The process dragged on while
• 1:39:00
  Speaker 2: I spent most of my time applying to startups and
• 1:39:04
  Speaker 2: then getting rejected sometimes at the last minute. When they
• 1:39:07
  Speaker 2: asked what other companies I was applying to, and I
• 1:39:09
  Speaker 2: answered honestly that it included Google, they said they couldn't
• 1:39:13
  Speaker 2: compete with immn's salary. They were basically all looking for
• 1:39:17
  Speaker 2: clueless people who would believe they would stay they had
• 1:39:20
  Speaker 2: a good they had a good chance of becoming rich
• 1:39:23
  Speaker 2: from equity when the terms of the equity contracts were,
• 1:39:27
  Speaker 2: to put it mildly, completely exploitative and deceptive and not
• 1:39:32
  Speaker 2: really a guarantee of anything. They were. They were equity
• 1:39:37
  Speaker 2: options during funding rounds. They could be reduced in value
• 1:39:42
  Speaker 2: arbitrarily only the sense of niceness of sociopaths to ensure
• 1:39:48
  Speaker 2: their value. They would all be unvestible if you didn't
• 1:39:53
  Speaker 2: work there long enough often, and these startups were all
• 1:39:58
  Speaker 2: obviously not the next Google. Don't get the misimpression that
• 1:40:02
  Speaker 2: I was so scrupulous as to use scrupulous in a
• 1:40:06
  Speaker 2: sentence now as to convey an accurate impression of who
• 1:40:13
  Speaker 2: I was and what I wanted out of life. I
• 1:40:15
  Speaker 2: just I thought I could get away with not outright lying.
• 1:40:19
  Speaker 2: Perhaps I came off as evasive. They were all asking
• 1:40:23
  Speaker 2: after answers like They were all asking after answers like
• 1:40:27
  Speaker 2: I always wanted to work in a company like this.
• 1:40:29
  Speaker 2: I just love work so much. I don't even care
• 1:40:31
  Speaker 2: about money, not the intrinsic technical challenges. I love above
• 1:40:37
  Speaker 2: anything else I could do with my life contributing to
• 1:40:39
  Speaker 2: this team and doing interpretive labor. This startup seems irreplaceable,
• 1:40:44
  Speaker 2: and I'd never go someplace else. I want to grow
• 1:40:47
  Speaker 2: old with this company.
• 1:40:48
  Speaker 1: I want to grow old with you.
• 1:40:52
  Speaker 2: I was inexperienced with convincing body language, inclusive lies like this.
• 1:40:58
  Speaker 2: I did not have the right false face, but very
• 1:41:06
  Speaker 2: quick to think up words to say.
• 1:41:09
  Speaker 3: I.
• 1:41:11
  Speaker 2: I have some thoughts. So I'm gonna rant for a
• 1:41:13
  Speaker 2: moment off the yes first. What an absolute roller coaster
• 1:41:21
  Speaker 2: of self importance and victimhood with a strong finish of
• 1:41:24
  Speaker 2: blaming everyone else for her complete lack of self awareness. Now,
• 1:41:28
  Speaker 2: let's break this delusion down first, who asks about their
• 1:41:33
  Speaker 2: rejected job application? At our rationality party, everyone's around discussing
• 1:41:38
  Speaker 2: game theory and the optimal way to microwave soup. And
• 1:41:41
  Speaker 2: this is out here cornering some poor like Google employee saying.
• 1:41:48
  Speaker 1: Hey, so did you like ghost me?
• 1:41:51
  Speaker 7: Or is the algorithm just like allergic to my genius.
• 1:41:56
  Speaker 7: Just because skirt Ups and other companies are handing out
• 1:42:00
  Speaker 7: golden thrones and unlimited stock options to random people who
• 1:42:04
  Speaker 7: have never really worked and sneer at their business models
• 1:42:07
  Speaker 7: while begging for a paycheck doesn't mean she's the smart one.
• 1:42:11
  Speaker 7: The companies are looking for clueless people who believe in equity. Yeah,
• 1:42:18
  Speaker 7: and her, who was the person out job hopping on
• 1:42:21
  Speaker 7: a trust fund Airbnb tour who thought she was going
• 1:42:24
  Speaker 7: to be the next Silicon Valley messiah. My favorite part
• 1:42:29
  Speaker 7: is that she straight up admits she bombed interviews because
• 1:42:33
  Speaker 7: she couldn't figure out how to fake enthusiasm properly, didn't
• 1:42:37
  Speaker 7: have the right false face. No kidding, who wants to
• 1:42:40
  Speaker 7: hire a walking Reddit thread on why capitalism is a scam?
• 1:42:44
  Speaker 2: No? Thanks? I never have never seen someone so bad
• 1:42:51
  Speaker 2: at playing the game while also acting like they're above it.
• 1:42:54
  Speaker 2: She wasn't rejected, she was refused. She just refused to
• 1:42:58
  Speaker 2: gravel properly. And no, it's it's it's everyone else's fault
• 1:43:03
  Speaker 2: that she's broke. Girl with a year, Maybe, just maybe,
• 1:43:08
  Speaker 2: the problem isn't the startups, the recruiters, or the contracts.
• 1:43:13
  Speaker 2: Maybe it's the unrelenting cloud of entitlement and superiority. You
• 1:43:17
  Speaker 2: carry like a limited edition cologne made from the extract
• 1:43:21
  Speaker 2: of Diddy baby oil called failure and Smugness. And I
• 1:43:25
  Speaker 2: now get off of my and.
• 1:43:32
  Speaker 3: And he took himself up. Now I think it's gone
• 1:43:34
  Speaker 3: for a bad the break. He is not wrong. We
• 1:43:40
  Speaker 3: all have our rent rants avouzes, and I mean JT
• 1:43:45
  Speaker 3: pretty much nailed it there, like, yeah, what do you
• 1:43:49
  Speaker 3: expect girl?
• 1:43:50
  Speaker 1: And this is what an interview is like. There is
• 1:43:53
  Speaker 1: always the balance of presenting yourself accurately but also as
• 1:44:00
  Speaker 1: this perfect hire and trying to vibe out Okay, well
• 1:44:04
  Speaker 1: what how are we actually like how is that actually
• 1:44:07
  Speaker 1: going to go? But to go on multiple interviews where
• 1:44:12
  Speaker 1: you drop in Google gets you booted from the interview
• 1:44:15
  Speaker 1: more or less, and you keep doing it. It's like
• 1:44:18
  Speaker 1: that this is the point of interviews is to learn.
• 1:44:20
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and to think that like you don't have to
• 1:44:26
  Speaker 3: play that, like everybody has to play the game, okay,
• 1:44:29
  Speaker 3: and nobody likes it. Nobody likes it, right, but like
• 1:44:33
  Speaker 3: for a reason, and you know it's crazy. Is like
• 1:44:36
  Speaker 3: she has only been here in San Francisco for like
• 1:44:40
  Speaker 3: three months. You guys like brand new to San Francisco. Yes, no, Ja,
• 1:44:45
  Speaker 3: her housing is now. It's just three months. Just all
• 1:44:51
  Speaker 3: falls appier, very quickly, very quick.
• 1:44:54
  Speaker 2: I got real excited. Thought I was on a big
• 1:44:56
  Speaker 2: screen TV.
• 1:44:57
  Speaker 1: Oh okay, well things are about to get exciting because
• 1:45:04
  Speaker 1: we're about to meet a new character in this saga.
• 1:45:07
  Speaker 1: Oh yes. At a rationalist meetup in October twenty sixteen,
• 1:45:13
  Speaker 1: Ziz met Gwen Danielson. The Kimmy Gibbler took her DJ Tanner.
• 1:45:20
  Speaker 3: It's so true, you guys, it's so true.
• 1:45:22
  Speaker 2: You don't even know.
• 1:45:27
  Speaker 3: As you go.
• 1:45:30
  Speaker 1: Gwen graduated high school in Spokane, Washington, and much like Ziz,
• 1:45:36
  Speaker 1: she had a few years of interacting with online rationalist
• 1:45:40
  Speaker 1: communities and Mary and Seifar before she left behind a
• 1:45:46
  Speaker 1: full scholarship to Rice University, where she was researching the
• 1:45:50
  Speaker 1: ethical development of artificial intelligence, and moved to San Francisco
• 1:45:56
  Speaker 1: with the idea that she, too, was going to help
• 1:45:59
  Speaker 1: save the world. Oh wow, Gwen writes in her own blog,
• 1:46:04
  Speaker 1: Because of course, I did this for about two years
• 1:46:09
  Speaker 1: before deciding to move to the Bay in order to
• 1:46:11
  Speaker 1: figure out what was the problem that I had the
• 1:46:14
  Speaker 1: most relative advantage to solve and to have tighter feedback
• 1:46:18
  Speaker 1: loops interacting with people working on AI safety research. I
• 1:46:22
  Speaker 1: optimized as though I was a part of a policy
• 1:46:26
  Speaker 1: of people working to save the world.
• 1:46:29
  Speaker 3: Oh look at that our second Murray person who is
• 1:46:34
  Speaker 3: wanting to save the world. You guys, what, Wow.
• 1:46:38
  Speaker 1: She's gonna stop researching AI.
• 1:46:41
  Speaker 2: Sorry, and like living conditions and things. These parents should
• 1:46:49
  Speaker 2: have just invested in like a locked journal that they
• 1:46:52
  Speaker 2: could write in. And I feel like we would have
• 1:46:53
  Speaker 2: saved a whole bunch of time just saying I need.
• 1:46:59
  Speaker 3: Here's is you know gwyn the fourth person that we're
• 1:47:03
  Speaker 3: in depth to here, and she too highly educated, full
• 1:47:09
  Speaker 3: ride to a university, and she's just another one that's like,
• 1:47:14
  Speaker 3: fuck it, I'm going to go to San Francisco and
• 1:47:17
  Speaker 3: save the fucking world. Like you know, guys.
• 1:47:23
  Speaker 2: Told me San Francisco was the place where you go
• 1:47:26
  Speaker 2: to save the fucking world. I would say, uh no.
• 1:47:35
  Speaker 3: Well, I mean that was the hub in the sixties
• 1:47:37
  Speaker 3: and seventies. It didn't play out very well. Like if
• 1:47:41
  Speaker 3: you are still fun, got.
• 1:47:42
  Speaker 2: Ourselves a bridge.
• 1:47:46
  Speaker 3: Cool bridge, all right. So Gwynn moved to the Bay
• 1:47:49
  Speaker 3: Area in August of twenty sixteen, one of the biggest
• 1:47:53
  Speaker 3: problems she noticed was the elevated rent situation and the
• 1:47:56
  Speaker 3: harm of that on people like her. Now, I will say,
• 1:47:59
  Speaker 3: as a side, I have frequented the Bay Area some
• 1:48:04
  Speaker 3: reddit because I was like, well, what is people like there?
• 1:48:07
  Speaker 3: Turns out their rent problem is ridiculous. You guys, they're
• 1:48:11
  Speaker 3: they're not out of Yeah, they are not wrong, and
• 1:48:15
  Speaker 3: the fact that it is atrocious rent problems in that city,
• 1:48:20
  Speaker 3: so like, I don't want you to think that, like
• 1:48:24
  Speaker 3: they're wrong about this, Like it is a very very
• 1:48:27
  Speaker 3: big problem living there. But let's read some more from
• 1:48:33
  Speaker 3: Gwen's Gwen's block here. This is Gwen's writing quote. I've
• 1:48:37
  Speaker 3: seen many others living conditions decay to near homelessness. Even
• 1:48:42
  Speaker 3: the most functional group houses I've visited are overpacked with
• 1:48:46
  Speaker 3: people in tiny spaces, often multiple people to a room,
• 1:48:51
  Speaker 3: sometimes rooms made from putting curtains in what are designed
• 1:48:55
  Speaker 3: as common areas and filled with clutter. Other group houses
• 1:48:59
  Speaker 3: I visit look like homeless camps. Most of the Bay
• 1:49:03
  Speaker 3: Area rationalists I met appear abnormally traumatized and not healing.
• 1:49:09
  Speaker 3: Most of the people I observe are trans. Maybe it's
• 1:49:12
  Speaker 3: different for others. Our siss set I cannot say this
• 1:49:16
  Speaker 3: word to signal like sis. Sexist community pushes us to
• 1:49:21
  Speaker 3: the bottom, pushes us towards logistical and emotional hell. The
• 1:49:26
  Speaker 3: rationality community, for all that it promises, is the same
• 1:49:29
  Speaker 3: as everywhere else. And Gwynn is not wrong.
• 1:49:36
  Speaker 2: No, no, no, that's the thing. No. Like, for instance,
• 1:49:40
  Speaker 2: in twenty thirteen to twenty fourteen, we lived in an
• 1:49:44
  Speaker 2: apartment that was a thousand square feet about one thousand dollars, right,
• 1:49:50
  Speaker 2: And it has been twelve years and it's gone up
• 1:49:53
  Speaker 2: one thousand dollars a month. That's ridiculous. And that's Richmond,
• 1:49:58
  Speaker 2: that's not Sam, it's I'm sure it's ten times worse
• 1:50:02
  Speaker 2: in San Francisco. I have no doubt.
• 1:50:05
  Speaker 1: It's just it.
• 1:50:07
  Speaker 3: Is so gross, and I just I just want to
• 1:50:09
  Speaker 3: point out the difference. We just read a short blurp
• 1:50:12
  Speaker 3: from Gwen's block. It is very different than Says's blog.
• 1:50:18
  Speaker 3: You notice how Gwenn cares about other people and about
• 1:50:21
  Speaker 3: actually solving something. What's a difference in those two two blogs?
• 1:50:28
  Speaker 3: There so so so so.
• 1:50:33
  Speaker 2: Gwen's housing situation for herself anyway, was to buy and
• 1:50:37
  Speaker 2: live on a sailboat. And the is it and senal
• 1:50:40
  Speaker 2: and snal's what that sounds dirty?
• 1:50:44
  Speaker 1: I looked it upsal.
• 1:50:47
  Speaker 2: Thank you for looking it up because it keeps me
• 1:50:49
  Speaker 2: from saying Encinal. Yeah, uh, I wanted to buy and
• 1:50:57
  Speaker 2: live on a sailboat in the Encinal basin. Now. Zizz
• 1:51:01
  Speaker 2: wrote about her and Gwen's first encounter in her blog,
• 1:51:04
  Speaker 2: because of course she did. And I'm gonna be honest,
• 1:51:07
  Speaker 2: there's a lot to unpack here, a lot like like
• 1:51:17
  Speaker 2: you know that person who ends up packing for like
• 1:51:20
  Speaker 2: a month when they're going away for two days. There's
• 1:51:23
  Speaker 2: a lot too unpacked here. And I quote in October,
• 1:51:31
  Speaker 2: I talked to someone introducing themselves as Jasper Gwen at
• 1:51:36
  Speaker 2: a meetup in some sort of confusion over whether they
• 1:51:39
  Speaker 2: were a trans woman. I talked it over with them
• 1:51:42
  Speaker 2: and also talked about the contents of this blog, which
• 1:51:46
  Speaker 2: they seem pretty interested in. They had internal coherence problems
• 1:51:51
  Speaker 2: and a lot of mental arts that seemed based on hacks,
• 1:51:55
  Speaker 2: based on quote, shut up and do the impossible.
• 1:52:02
  Speaker 3: I love how SiZ Once't you know that she talked
• 1:52:06
  Speaker 3: to Gwenn about her blog and they talked about a lot.
• 1:52:10
  Speaker 2: Just to let you have but I've heard of a
• 1:52:13
  Speaker 2: meet cute.
• 1:52:13
  Speaker 3: This is not that she was pretty interested in what
• 1:52:17
  Speaker 3: I had to say. You guys like, woh, you know what.
• 1:52:24
  Speaker 2: And the more Gwen gets talked about, the more I
• 1:52:26
  Speaker 2: care less that she cared about the blog.
• 1:52:28
  Speaker 1: So so to continue reading from the book of this
• 1:52:35
  Speaker 1: they and I use. They then pronouns respectively retrospectively because
• 1:52:41
  Speaker 1: they are by gender. Showed me the sailboat they were
• 1:52:44
  Speaker 1: in the course of moving on to for housing, which
• 1:52:47
  Speaker 1: was anchored in the insinal basin. I thought that was
• 1:52:50
  Speaker 1: pretty sweet. When it was offered for me to stay
• 1:52:53
  Speaker 1: the night and I said I didn't bring my hormones
• 1:52:55
  Speaker 1: with me, they lent me some. Wait. I thought they
• 1:52:58
  Speaker 1: didn't know they were a trans woman.
• 1:53:03
  Speaker 3: Oh right, what they didn't know? What?
• 1:53:08
  Speaker 2: I thought that was pretty sweet. That is the version
• 1:53:14
  Speaker 2: of shwing.
• 1:53:19
  Speaker 3: Oh my goodness, I just how like she's just like wait,
• 1:53:24
  Speaker 3: I didn't think they were one. Like, okay, calm yourself,
• 1:53:29
  Speaker 3: says all right.
• 1:53:31
  Speaker 1: Quote.
• 1:53:33
  Speaker 3: They talked about how when they were a child, their
• 1:53:36
  Speaker 3: friend who was a cat, had died and they had
• 1:53:41
  Speaker 3: to use their own retroactive paraphrasing sworn an oath of
• 1:53:46
  Speaker 3: vengeance against death. They had investigated the paranormal looking for
• 1:53:54
  Speaker 3: anything that could be replicated, and Munchkin gone around in
• 1:53:59
  Speaker 3: circles and then heard about a selection effect where if
• 1:54:03
  Speaker 3: you stop making random trials when the paranormal seems to
• 1:54:07
  Speaker 3: be working, you will appear to get results better than chance.
• 1:54:13
  Speaker 3: Realize that they that realized that was all they were
• 1:54:17
  Speaker 3: finding and quit.
• 1:54:20
  Speaker 2: What now, What the fuck is going on?
• 1:54:27
  Speaker 3: Have you not declared a vengeance against jeth JT?
• 1:54:31
  Speaker 2: I thinkstood.
• 1:54:34
  Speaker 1: I think what Ziz is saying in the longest way
• 1:54:36
  Speaker 1: possible is confirmation bias pretty.
• 1:54:41
  Speaker 2: Much right, Okay, but I do love I think I
• 1:54:53
  Speaker 2: I wrote what the fuck is going on? Before I
• 1:54:56
  Speaker 2: read this part that I'm about to read to you now. Quote.
• 1:55:02
  Speaker 2: They also told me about how they were other kin,
• 1:55:06
  Speaker 2: specifically dragon kin, not in a supernatural way, but a
• 1:55:13
  Speaker 2: morphological freedom way. A dragon shaped necklace.
• 1:55:19
  Speaker 3: Huh, I said, as one does.
• 1:55:22
  Speaker 2: As one does. Yeah, this is totally the first conversation
• 1:55:25
  Speaker 2: you have with somebody. I'm a dragon and said it.
• 1:55:28
  Speaker 2: The necklace was a reminder of how they would turn
• 1:55:31
  Speaker 2: into a dragon after the Singularity and eat their human body.
• 1:55:37
  Speaker 2: Since that seemed like the most fitting way to dispose
• 1:55:40
  Speaker 2: of it, I said, I'd want mine burned once I
• 1:55:45
  Speaker 2: could escape it. In later conversations, they came to the
• 1:55:49
  Speaker 2: conclusion that draconity was dracon Draconity was a means of
• 1:55:58
  Speaker 2: keeping their feminine alive in a hostile world, lacking the
• 1:56:03
  Speaker 2: I'll retroactively phrase it as resistance to social reality. To
• 1:56:08
  Speaker 2: say so outright and to all of that, I say,
• 1:56:11
  Speaker 2: I think I might go back to having neurovirus. Thank you.
• 1:56:16
  Speaker 1: Now, I'm going to need everybody here to type in
• 1:56:19
  Speaker 1: the chat what you are becoming after the Singularity.
• 1:56:23
  Speaker 3: I mean, I didn't know the Singularity was going to
• 1:56:25
  Speaker 3: bring about dragons. I didn't get the memo dragon memo.
• 1:56:31
  Speaker 1: I also didn't get the memo that being a dragon
• 1:56:35
  Speaker 1: was the only way to keep your femininity alive in
• 1:56:37
  Speaker 1: a hostle world.
• 1:56:38
  Speaker 8: I know we didn't get the memo for that either,
• 1:56:41
  Speaker 8: like I would assume we were in that email chain,
• 1:56:45
  Speaker 8: but I guess not that cool.
• 1:56:52
  Speaker 3: And if you if you're not sure what the Singularity is,
• 1:57:00
  Speaker 3: JT's going to explain it.
• 1:57:02
  Speaker 2: Please No, I see this like conversation happening, and I
• 1:57:08
  Speaker 2: see Gwen like honestly saying this and that I'm gonna
• 1:57:12
  Speaker 2: eat my body since that's the most fitting way to
• 1:57:13
  Speaker 2: dispose of it. And then I see Ziz going and
• 1:57:17
  Speaker 2: I quote her actions.
• 1:57:20
  Speaker 3: Zoe singularity, he went away for.
• 1:57:31
  Speaker 2: Great scratching a.
• 1:57:34
  Speaker 1: She is what she is.
• 1:57:37
  Speaker 3: I mean, if that's how we bring about dragons, I'm
• 1:57:39
  Speaker 3: all for it. Everyone knows I love my dragons. I
• 1:57:42
  Speaker 3: wouldn't guess that the dragon. I would assume my my
• 1:57:47
  Speaker 3: other can Islama, since that's what I know, namas you know,
• 1:57:52
  Speaker 3: but I don't quite understand this other kin thing. But
• 1:57:57
  Speaker 3: you know, okay, all right, I'm here. I'm here for you, Gwenn.
• 1:58:04
  Speaker 2: So I like how you said I'm here for you
• 1:58:06
  Speaker 2: and not for it. Apparently okay, So apparently other can
• 1:58:10
  Speaker 2: is a subculture of people who identify as partially, entirely,
• 1:58:13
  Speaker 2: partially or entirely non human, often as a species or
• 1:58:17
  Speaker 2: entity from fantasy or mythology. I've never I'm like, I'm
• 1:58:22
  Speaker 2: not like nerd nerd, but I no, yes, i am,
• 1:58:26
  Speaker 2: but I've never heard of this before.
• 1:58:29
  Speaker 3: It's a thing you guys like, it's it's close. They
• 1:58:38
  Speaker 3: just don't dress up that way. It's basically, it seems
• 1:58:40
  Speaker 3: it from my understanding, which is not.
• 1:58:44
  Speaker 2: You know, like I'm not even joking, like that's what
• 1:58:46
  Speaker 2: it seems like you know what I mean it is.
• 1:58:49
  Speaker 3: Yeah, no, it's very similar to that from my brief understanding.
• 1:58:55
  Speaker 3: But I mean, if that's again, if that's how we
• 1:58:56
  Speaker 3: get dragons, I'm all for it.
• 1:58:58
  Speaker 1: But okay, welcome in the eighties. Good to see you. Oh,
• 1:59:05
  Speaker 1: welcome to the craziness. But we're in the middle of
• 1:59:08
  Speaker 1: a story. If you couldn't fell from there's a kid.
• 1:59:10
  Speaker 2: In a dragon on the screen, it's going, well, it
• 1:59:13
  Speaker 2: makes sense, it makes.
• 1:59:15
  Speaker 1: A lot of sense. So this continued, saying they said
• 1:59:20
  Speaker 1: they'd asked to be a girl when they were young
• 1:59:22
  Speaker 1: child and had been turned down. They talked a lot
• 1:59:25
  Speaker 1: about precursor ideas to aliveness, a lot said they hated
• 1:59:30
  Speaker 1: sex and seeing animals have sex and automatic actions like
• 1:59:35
  Speaker 1: that seemed like a spark of personhood going out that
• 1:59:39
  Speaker 1: sounded familiar I and permanently convinced them they were a
• 1:59:43
  Speaker 1: trans woman.
• 1:59:44
  Speaker 2: Hmm, So you don't understand, Like, that's literally not this's job,
• 1:59:52
  Speaker 2: Like it's not her job to convince someone of that,
• 1:59:55
  Speaker 2: Like is she that high and mighty? Like I can
• 1:59:57
  Speaker 2: only imagine the journal post we would be reading of
• 1:59:59
  Speaker 2: some and tried that on her.
• 2:00:02
  Speaker 3: Oh oh, could you imagine. I mean, look what happens
• 2:00:06
  Speaker 3: if you masturbate in your living room? Oh my god,
• 2:00:10
  Speaker 3: could you imagine?
• 2:00:14
  Speaker 2: And and tomorrow newspaper headlines will say lama masturbatorologist.
• 2:00:24
  Speaker 3: I mean this is her first Yes, this is her
• 2:00:30
  Speaker 3: herd Gwin's first conversations. I don't know about you, guys,
• 2:00:33
  Speaker 3: but this is if you ever converse with me for
• 2:00:36
  Speaker 3: the first time, expect it to go this way. Apparently,
• 2:00:40
  Speaker 3: I want to know what you're going to be in
• 2:00:42
  Speaker 3: a singularity.
• 2:00:44
  Speaker 2: No that's not how it goes. No, no, no, that's
• 2:00:50
  Speaker 2: not how it went with me. What have you changed?
• 2:00:52
  Speaker 2: Don't kidding?
• 2:00:54
  Speaker 3: Yes, the lama, Oh my gosh, just stop it. Okay,
• 2:01:00
  Speaker 3: Oh okay, so we're going to continue reading on you guys,
• 2:01:11
  Speaker 3: all right. Quote. They seemed to think animals were moral patients,
• 2:01:17
  Speaker 3: had determination and actual course changing and epititi stemiology. Okay,
• 2:01:26
  Speaker 3: I like this person. I told them that if they
• 2:01:30
  Speaker 3: could be turned to the dark side, they would make
• 2:01:33
  Speaker 3: a powerful ally. They were into this and asked me
• 2:01:37
  Speaker 3: questions to try and learn out of my mental tech.
• 2:01:43
  Speaker 3: You guys, we can't get more than two sentences and
• 2:01:48
  Speaker 3: this without being like wt F, what what are you
• 2:01:54
  Speaker 3: even saying.
• 2:01:56
  Speaker 1: I mean, it sounds like this is saying that she
• 2:02:01
  Speaker 1: convinced Gwen to become a woman and also join the
• 2:02:05
  Speaker 1: dark side in a matter of an hour.
• 2:02:09
  Speaker 3: I mean, I know, yeah, she's already.
• 2:02:14
  Speaker 1: Dragon's got a lot about.
• 2:02:18
  Speaker 3: Right, already a dragon. I mean, like, but can you mad?
• 2:02:23
  Speaker 3: This is your first conversation with somebody and you're like,
• 2:02:26
  Speaker 3: you know what, and you're on a boat. You love animals,
• 2:02:30
  Speaker 3: I love animals. Now, if you could just turn to
• 2:02:34
  Speaker 3: the dark side of the kid, yeah, a seamog.
• 2:02:40
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 2:02:40
  Speaker 3: This is the crazy first conversation I was somebody. Jeez,
• 2:02:48
  Speaker 3: and learn out my mental tech. By the way, not
• 2:02:51
  Speaker 3: in this episode. We're not gonna explore what mental tech is.
• 2:02:55
  Speaker 3: But I promise you next episode, oh we're gonna talk
• 2:03:00
  Speaker 3: about this mental tech. We're going to talk a lot
• 2:03:03
  Speaker 3: about this. You guys can't wait. It's crazy.
• 2:03:07
  Speaker 2: It's mental in the nineties way tech.
• 2:03:13
  Speaker 3: All right.
• 2:03:14
  Speaker 1: Before we can get to mental tech, we have to
• 2:03:17
  Speaker 1: go back, unfortunately, to Zizz's job search from hell. She writes,
• 2:03:23
  Speaker 1: I passed all the Google interviews. Google adjusted the schedule
• 2:03:27
  Speaker 1: repeatedly adding an extra surprise interview. How rude I had
• 2:03:32
  Speaker 1: to ask my parents to pay rent for me again. Oh, finally,
• 2:03:38
  Speaker 1: around November, they said I'd passed the committee and I'd
• 2:03:41
  Speaker 1: be hired. I just had to talk to teams and
• 2:03:43
  Speaker 1: be put on one. I asked how long this would take.
• 2:03:47
  Speaker 1: They said not that long, but it varied. I said, okay,
• 2:03:50
  Speaker 1: I just want to know if it's going to take
• 2:03:52
  Speaker 1: like four weeks or something. The recruiter laughed and said
• 2:03:55
  Speaker 1: it never takes that long. Three months of recruiter saying
• 2:03:59
  Speaker 1: any day week now, and me telling my parents that
• 2:04:02
  Speaker 1: they said that, my parents cut me off with some warning.
• 2:04:07
  Speaker 2: What I can I just say that I remember distinctly,
• 2:04:13
  Speaker 2: vividly writing when she said I had to ask my
• 2:04:17
  Speaker 2: parents to pay for my renting again. I wrote in
• 2:04:21
  Speaker 2: the in the margins, come the fuck on.
• 2:04:26
  Speaker 3: Exactly. Oh, so you haven't gotten to any of these jobs.
• 2:04:31
  Speaker 3: Your parents are paying for your bills, you're being an
• 2:04:33
  Speaker 3: asshole to your roommate that you've been kicked out of
• 2:04:38
  Speaker 3: like and and then what does she say? She says, Oh,
• 2:04:42
  Speaker 3: Google adjusted the schedule repeatedly, so they're working with her.
• 2:04:46
  Speaker 3: But then she says, adding in an extra surprise interview,
• 2:04:50
  Speaker 3: how dare they.
• 2:04:53
  Speaker 2: Wasn't a sociopath, right, like, oh my goodness, and and
• 2:05:00
  Speaker 2: then she cut you off some morning.
• 2:05:01
  Speaker 3: I think it's because you've been offered a lot of jobs.
• 2:05:04
  Speaker 3: I understand. I understand that you're not your first pick. Okay,
• 2:05:08
  Speaker 3: I get it, Like your parents are probably like, get
• 2:05:12
  Speaker 3: a fucking.
• 2:05:13
  Speaker 2: Job, right, and like three months, Like if this did
• 2:05:17
  Speaker 2: happen this way, four weeks turning into three that's terrible
• 2:05:20
  Speaker 2: hiring practices. But it's also Google. They can get the
• 2:05:22
  Speaker 2: fuck away with anything they want. And it's not surprising.
• 2:05:26
  Speaker 2: It's not surprising the fact that she applied to all
• 2:05:28
  Speaker 2: these jobs and didn't hear back from some of them,
• 2:05:30
  Speaker 2: that's not fucking surprising. I applied to one hundred, I
• 2:05:33
  Speaker 2: hear back from maybe ten percent of them. Sure, it's
• 2:05:37
  Speaker 2: not surprising.
• 2:05:39
  Speaker 3: Right, And I wouldn't make fun of this that bad
• 2:05:43
  Speaker 3: until shortly we'll find out why I've been making fun
• 2:05:48
  Speaker 3: of this the whole time about Google, because you'll see
• 2:05:51
  Speaker 3: what she decides later. But oh, okay, so it's it's
• 2:05:56
  Speaker 3: mister sorry. So all right. So by early twenty seventeen,
• 2:06:02
  Speaker 3: we're in twenty seventeen, now January and February, don't know
• 2:06:05
  Speaker 3: the exact day, but Ziz finds herself still jobless and
• 2:06:12
  Speaker 3: her parents have cut her off financially, so staying in
• 2:06:15
  Speaker 3: the arabnb's was no longer going to be an option
• 2:06:19
  Speaker 3: for her. I don't know how much she was paying.
• 2:06:22
  Speaker 3: I'm sorry our Amy has put red flags as a batter,
• 2:06:31
  Speaker 3: perfect Davy. Can you guys all tell in chat tell
• 2:06:36
  Speaker 3: Amy how much you would love for her to come
• 2:06:39
  Speaker 3: on a show. Sometimes she's kind of yell at me
• 2:06:42
  Speaker 3: later for this, but just he's like, yeah, Amy, Oh
• 2:06:45
  Speaker 3: come on, you're okay anyway. So she doesn't have a
• 2:06:50
  Speaker 3: place to stay, she doesn't have a fucking job, her
• 2:06:52
  Speaker 3: parents aren't supporting her anymore, so what does she do? Well,
• 2:06:56
  Speaker 3: So then she contacts Gwynnon and expresses maybe interests in
• 2:07:05
  Speaker 3: renting a space on her cell boat, as if Ziz
• 2:07:09
  Speaker 3: realistically had anywhere else to go at this point. Like
• 2:07:16
  Speaker 3: I say that with a whole lot of snark, because,
• 2:07:21
  Speaker 3: as you'll sud hear, Ziz kind of paints herself as
• 2:07:27
  Speaker 3: a savior here instead of what I think is really
• 2:07:30
  Speaker 3: the other way around. All Right, Gwinn had her own
• 2:07:33
  Speaker 3: place to live, you know, although she was low on
• 2:07:37
  Speaker 3: money all right, and planned just to live out in
• 2:07:41
  Speaker 3: the open water in the bay. That was to save money, right.
• 2:07:46
  Speaker 3: She paid money for her boat, she had her bills paid,
• 2:07:50
  Speaker 3: but Ziz went to her because this is the only
• 2:07:54
  Speaker 3: person that needs something from her, not the other way around.
• 2:07:57
  Speaker 3: Gwen doesn't need anything from Zix. But it's just cute
• 2:08:02
  Speaker 3: that she's like, maybe answer asta.
• 2:08:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah, And if if you think that, if you think
• 2:08:10
  Speaker 2: that Zizz's savior complex stops here, scoff, I'll uh hook quote.
• 2:08:24
  Speaker 2: They said they had just been moving the sailboat out
• 2:08:27
  Speaker 2: of Richardson Bay, where it was legal to anchor a
• 2:08:30
  Speaker 2: boat to live on permanently, and they were broke. If
• 2:08:34
  Speaker 2: I wanted to stay in a marina and have electricity constantly,
• 2:08:39
  Speaker 2: I'd have to cover the marina's cost fifteen dollars a day.
• 2:08:42
  Speaker 2: That's four hundred and fifty dollars excuse me ish a month.
• 2:08:46
  Speaker 2: I offered to pay. By the way, thank you so
• 2:08:49
  Speaker 2: much for doing the math for Mezz, and I mean
• 2:08:52
  Speaker 2: that genuinely. I can't fucking do it. I offered to
• 2:08:56
  Speaker 2: pay six hundred dollars per month. This was about half
• 2:09:00
  Speaker 2: of what I've been paying in the airbnbs. And cyber
• 2:09:04
  Speaker 2: textis do know what that is to move between airbnbs?
• 2:09:08
  Speaker 2: Is she in like fifth element? What the fuck is
• 2:09:10
  Speaker 2: a cyber? Okay? And and they were, they were poor
• 2:09:14
  Speaker 2: as hell, and I wanted them to have some margin.
• 2:09:17
  Speaker 2: So like like this, this is calling herself a Samaritan.
• 2:09:20
  Speaker 2: And this is calling herself a Samaritan's like calling a
• 2:09:22
  Speaker 2: cattle lifeguard. Like sure, they're gonna watch you struggle, but
• 2:09:27
  Speaker 2: only out of curiosity and maybe a little bit of spike,
• 2:09:31
  Speaker 2: Like it's not you can't, I don't wait.
• 2:09:39
  Speaker 3: I like how Ziz pointed out, not once, but twice,
• 2:09:43
  Speaker 3: how poor Gwen was right, she just wants you to
• 2:09:47
  Speaker 3: know she's still poor. Love all the sex, the money
• 2:09:51
  Speaker 3: is just gottang. In case you forgot, she was poor,
• 2:09:54
  Speaker 3: even though she has her own fucking boat, she's poor,
• 2:09:58
  Speaker 3: you guys.
• 2:10:00
  Speaker 2: I mean she's both poor even though.
• 2:10:02
  Speaker 3: She has no job. Even though this has no job,
• 2:10:06
  Speaker 3: her parents aren't paying her rent no more. But in
• 2:10:08
  Speaker 3: case you didn't know, was broker than or Gwenn was
• 2:10:13
  Speaker 3: broker than her, And look at her doing great things.
• 2:10:17
  Speaker 3: Help her out. She's giving her extra money, you guys,
• 2:10:20
  Speaker 3: extra money. What a wonderful person.
• 2:10:24
  Speaker 2: Any Well, listen, I know we're know we're moving moving
• 2:10:28
  Speaker 2: on to captain. But you know what boat stands for, right?
• 2:10:32
  Speaker 2: No break out another thousand?
• 2:10:37
  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, wait till you guys.
• 2:10:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it's been joked on many times and
• 2:10:44
  Speaker 2: like dangerous catch her whatever, But I mean, truly, there's
• 2:10:48
  Speaker 2: a reason for you go and boat broke, Like, yeah,
• 2:10:53
  Speaker 2: there's a reason.
• 2:10:54
  Speaker 3: I now, after this story, I understand that statement more.
• 2:11:00
  Speaker 3: I'm like, oh yeah, what were you guys thinking? But anyway,
• 2:11:04
  Speaker 3: Kevin tell us some more about what Zizz has to say.
• 2:11:07
  Speaker 1: Well, she has some more complaints about her new boat
• 2:11:12
  Speaker 1: she's living on in We have an image of Richardson
• 2:11:18
  Speaker 1: Bay at night that so, just imagine living in this hell.
• 2:11:24
  Speaker 1: Ziz says, I couldn't use my computer as well, couldn't
• 2:11:28
  Speaker 1: set up my three monitors, there was no room, couldn't
• 2:11:31
  Speaker 1: have a programming flow state. For nine hours, I had
• 2:11:35
  Speaker 1: trouble sleeping the slightest noise, and my mind kept alerting
• 2:11:39
  Speaker 1: me to the possibility that someone like my roommate from
• 2:11:42
  Speaker 1: several months ago, was going to attack me in my sleep.
• 2:11:46
  Speaker 3: Jesus fun.
• 2:11:47
  Speaker 2: The only reason she monitors is because of how long
• 2:11:50
  Speaker 2: her fucking journal posts are. That's it. There's so long,
• 2:11:58
  Speaker 2: but only that. But those three monitors are are separated
• 2:12:02
  Speaker 2: into two pages per monitor, and she's still fucking typing,
• 2:12:06
  Speaker 2: not being able to find space. It's just any.
• 2:12:11
  Speaker 1: She still can't spell the words write either, still.
• 2:12:14
  Speaker 3: Can't spell the words are right, And I like how
• 2:12:17
  Speaker 3: she brings up this fucking roommate again is wrong. I'm sorry,
• 2:12:24
  Speaker 3: did you turn off a breaker box on the boats?
• 2:12:27
  Speaker 3: Is like? What are you even doing right now?
• 2:12:32
  Speaker 2: But okay, that's a gorgeous place, by the way, it.
• 2:12:35
  Speaker 1: Is beautiful, and you're on a boat, so like your
• 2:12:38
  Speaker 1: roommate's probably not going to be knocking at your door
• 2:12:41
  Speaker 1: like your old roommate.
• 2:12:43
  Speaker 3: She just wanted to remind you that guy's an asshole.
• 2:12:45
  Speaker 3: In case you guys forget. She's very traumatized by the
• 2:12:48
  Speaker 3: whole incident that she very much made worse. But okay,
• 2:12:55
  Speaker 3: oh yeah, all right, so let's hear some more what
• 2:13:00
  Speaker 3: to say quote. I talked to Jasper for several hours
• 2:13:04
  Speaker 3: a day about transness, about neuroscience, about their crazy plans
• 2:13:11
  Speaker 3: to save the world to breed super intelligent dogs, about mine,
• 2:13:20
  Speaker 3: about the ferret named Nova they considered their son, whom
• 2:13:24
  Speaker 3: they had given to a pet store after deciding training
• 2:13:28
  Speaker 3: ferrets was not the optimal course, and I give you
• 2:13:34
  Speaker 3: guys the floor for that amazing.
• 2:13:38
  Speaker 2: Well. And unfortunately I didn't even I didn't put in
• 2:13:42
  Speaker 2: the right spot. I would I would like to retract
• 2:13:46
  Speaker 2: the statement that I had written here because I would
• 2:13:49
  Speaker 2: like you to continue this this this thing, the whole thing.
• 2:13:53
  Speaker 2: It's that's not even worth it. Everybody just continues to
• 2:13:57
  Speaker 2: go back to about the ferret and keep I'm not
• 2:14:01
  Speaker 2: going to stop this this idea train.
• 2:14:03
  Speaker 3: Okay, in case we missed the ferret part because we
• 2:14:07
  Speaker 3: heard the super intelligent dog part, and if you guys
• 2:14:10
  Speaker 3: forgot the fair I'm just gonna repeat that again, okay,
• 2:14:13
  Speaker 3: because it is two things back to back that you're like, wait,
• 2:14:16
  Speaker 3: what what what? What is happening? All right, So we're
• 2:14:21
  Speaker 3: going to talk about transness, We're going to talk about neuroscience,
• 2:14:24
  Speaker 3: about their crazy plans to save the world, which is
• 2:14:27
  Speaker 3: the breed Super Intelligent talks about my meaning says about
• 2:14:34
  Speaker 3: the ferret named Nova. They considered their son, whom they
• 2:14:40
  Speaker 3: had given to a pet store after deciding training ferrets
• 2:14:44
  Speaker 3: was not the opt optimal course, changed their mind and
• 2:14:50
  Speaker 3: tried to find him again so he could be cry preserved,
• 2:14:57
  Speaker 3: and it had been too late about my attempts to
• 2:15:03
  Speaker 3: figure out the quote actual art of planning about my
• 2:15:08
  Speaker 3: mental tech I wrote about on my blog in case
• 2:15:11
  Speaker 3: you didn't know this one about my much cruder back
• 2:15:16
  Speaker 3: then theories of human morality.
• 2:15:23
  Speaker 2: Guy, she treats she treats her blog like she's a
• 2:15:26
  Speaker 2: vegan or something like she's gotta let her know. Everybody
• 2:15:30
  Speaker 2: knows that she's a vegan and she has a blog.
• 2:15:33
  Speaker 3: You guys, you know I know that you're reading.
• 2:15:38
  Speaker 2: Why are we crying? Preserving the ferrit?
• 2:15:41
  Speaker 3: Okay, let's start with verse the breeding of intelligent dogs.
• 2:15:45
  Speaker 3: I super intelligent, super intelligent. Sorry you're this.
• 2:15:52
  Speaker 2: Until I pull out a hot dog.
• 2:15:57
  Speaker 3: Let me, I do want to Amy, put that dog
• 2:16:03
  Speaker 3: back up there and get look at that That give
• 2:16:05
  Speaker 3: is amazing, by the way, look at the.
• 2:16:09
  Speaker 2: Dog clap Yeah again, though, I pull out a hot
• 2:16:12
  Speaker 2: dog and judge dog is gonna go out the window
• 2:16:16
  Speaker 2: like it is.
• 2:16:17
  Speaker 3: But honestly, as the ray things are going, I mean,
• 2:16:20
  Speaker 3: should we give the super intelligent dogs a try? We
• 2:16:23
  Speaker 3: don't know, all right? I know it sounds crazy, but
• 2:16:26
  Speaker 3: like maybe I don't know, all right, So there's that.
• 2:16:31
  Speaker 3: Let's talk about Nova the ferret. Oh, I wish we
• 2:16:35
  Speaker 3: had a cute picture of a ferret. Okay, So Gwyn
• 2:16:40
  Speaker 3: considers this ferret her son, which is as a pet owner.
• 2:16:45
  Speaker 3: I mean, I have kids, I have a kid, and
• 2:16:47
  Speaker 3: I have pets. I love them a lot. They are different,
• 2:16:51
  Speaker 3: but I very much love my dogs. Despite what Zoe thanks,
• 2:16:55
  Speaker 3: I do love them.
• 2:16:57
  Speaker 2: But what everybody else thinks for Zoe, Right, So she.
• 2:17:01
  Speaker 3: Has this ferret, then she gives it back to the
• 2:17:04
  Speaker 3: pet store because she's like, I can't train a ferret, apparently,
• 2:17:13
  Speaker 3: and then she changed her mind and she went to
• 2:17:15
  Speaker 3: go find him again to cryo preserve. Was she going
• 2:17:20
  Speaker 3: to kill the ferret to cryo preserve.
• 2:17:22
  Speaker 1: It or what?
• 2:17:24
  Speaker 2: Well, it's it just reminds me of Futurama with all
• 2:17:28
  Speaker 2: the heads and then all of a sudden, there's just
• 2:17:29
  Speaker 2: like a ferret just preserved, and the ferris just like
• 2:17:35
  Speaker 2: I don't fucking know.
• 2:17:40
  Speaker 3: Like what is cryo preserve? We're like, yes, why is?
• 2:17:44
  Speaker 1: Why is training ferrets up there with breeding super intelligent
• 2:17:49
  Speaker 1: dogs as far as a plan to save the world.
• 2:17:52
  Speaker 3: I mean, she can't train fer She's gonna train dogs,
• 2:18:00
  Speaker 3: and it's like.
• 2:18:03
  Speaker 2: Train a dog.
• 2:18:06
  Speaker 3: And then I like how Zizz ends that with about
• 2:18:10
  Speaker 3: my much cruder back then theories of human morality.
• 2:18:15
  Speaker 2: Okay, she gaes, can you imagine a just affair with.
• 2:18:27
  Speaker 3: Listen. I don't have a lot of I know I'm
• 2:18:30
  Speaker 3: laughing at Gwen. I don't have a lot of bad
• 2:18:31
  Speaker 3: things to say about when. But Gwen, if you're listening,
• 2:18:34
  Speaker 3: because I know you're out there, I want to have
• 2:18:37
  Speaker 3: this conversation with you about super intelligent dog saving the world.
• 2:18:41
  Speaker 3: I know I'm laughing. I do think it's a silly idea,
• 2:18:44
  Speaker 3: but I will happily entertain that conversation.
• 2:18:47
  Speaker 2: And you're saying we are laughing within the context of
• 2:18:52
  Speaker 2: Zizz and Zizzians, we're not necessarily laughing at just you
• 2:18:56
  Speaker 2: doing that. I think cool and working with dog, I
• 2:19:00
  Speaker 2: can see it. But with the context of how this
• 2:19:04
  Speaker 2: was like the first second conversation you've ever had, I
• 2:19:07
  Speaker 2: just shi, Yes.
• 2:19:11
  Speaker 3: But if you want to reach out, email me at
• 2:19:12
  Speaker 3: Tara at TCWT Media and iwill dot com and I'll
• 2:19:16
  Speaker 3: happily talk about super intelligent dogs taken over.
• 2:19:21
  Speaker 1: No, I don't't know how that.
• 2:19:28
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 2:19:29
  Speaker 1: Anyway, they talked.
• 2:19:31
  Speaker 2: To themselves all the time, an absence of a private
• 2:19:35
  Speaker 2: room made it impossible for me to spend long hours
• 2:19:37
  Speaker 2: at a time thinking about anything unless it was talking
• 2:19:41
  Speaker 2: to them. Me and Jasper. Gwen argued over roommate difficulties.
• 2:19:49
  Speaker 2: They had ADHD in.
• 2:19:50
  Speaker 3: Autism not surprising.
• 2:19:52
  Speaker 2: They were very I don't know why that matters. They
• 2:19:54
  Speaker 2: were very particular about influence of things most people would
• 2:19:58
  Speaker 2: ignore on their COG. They had to have an uninterrupted
• 2:20:03
  Speaker 2: wake up process of some hours after they woke up
• 2:20:06
  Speaker 2: shortly after noon, they said, way longer than nine hours.
• 2:20:11
  Speaker 2: They had mapped out the cognitive effects of each hour
• 2:20:16
  Speaker 2: of their stimulants and would get very angry if I
• 2:20:20
  Speaker 2: interrupted their thoughts at the wrong time, like it would
• 2:20:23
  Speaker 2: ruin their whole day. Who does this?
• 2:20:35
  Speaker 3: Yeah?
• 2:20:36
  Speaker 2: Who?
• 2:20:39
  Speaker 3: I mean? I think it's interesting that so I don't
• 2:20:42
  Speaker 3: know how many of these people have autism. I don't
• 2:20:45
  Speaker 3: want to assume that people do. I know a couple
• 2:20:47
  Speaker 3: of them. In fact, do I know that Gwen does.
• 2:20:50
  Speaker 3: I know that Emma, who will talk about later, also does,
• 2:20:53
  Speaker 3: because they said that they are. And I don't think
• 2:20:56
  Speaker 3: we can assume other people. But I do think you know,
• 2:20:59
  Speaker 3: last episode, we talked about Ophelia bach Holt, who also
• 2:21:05
  Speaker 3: would by time decide how efficient she was. And you know,
• 2:21:11
  Speaker 3: it's very similar to Gwinn here, so we have a
• 2:21:13
  Speaker 3: very similar persona in that sort of a thing.
• 2:21:18
  Speaker 2: It sounds like she was roommates with an Excel spreadsheet
• 2:21:22
  Speaker 2: just like Rose and columns of conditions, schedules, quiet hours
• 2:21:29
  Speaker 2: like quote, like they had mapped out the like okay,
• 2:21:33
  Speaker 2: doctor adderall like maybe also map out how to be
• 2:21:36
  Speaker 2: a functional human being. I mean, listen, if one question
• 2:21:42
  Speaker 2: ruins your entire day as you're getting ready, that's not
• 2:21:46
  Speaker 2: a schedule the hostage situation.
• 2:21:49
  Speaker 1: But we also have to consider the source here. This
• 2:21:52
  Speaker 1: is coming from Zizz and I feel like, to me,
• 2:21:55
  Speaker 1: this seems like Gwenn could have said, don't talk to
• 2:21:58
  Speaker 1: me to life, how to cup a car coffee? And
• 2:22:01
  Speaker 1: what this road? Yes, who knows, who knows how extreame
• 2:22:06
  Speaker 1: it was.
• 2:22:07
  Speaker 2: I retract my statements, but like.
• 2:22:10
  Speaker 3: Very much I agree. Yeah, like, don't talk, don't do
• 2:22:15
  Speaker 3: not DM me before ten o'clock in the morning. You're
• 2:22:18
  Speaker 3: gonna get an answer. It's not gonna be a good one.
• 2:22:22
  Speaker 3: And I was gonna be like, listen, I'm heading coffee,
• 2:22:25
  Speaker 3: come back to me like two hours.
• 2:22:26
  Speaker 2: Okay, I just expect not to hear anything from you
• 2:22:30
  Speaker 2: until you've had coffee. It's like a you know, waking break.
• 2:22:37
  Speaker 3: Take a breaks on, right, Okay, so let's see what
• 2:22:45
  Speaker 3: more she has to say about Gwen. Yes, please do
• 2:22:49
  Speaker 3: remember it. Every all of this that we're reading is
• 2:22:51
  Speaker 3: in Sisu's works. Okay, this is worse.
• 2:22:57
  Speaker 2: That's why I said, like, within the context of this journal,
• 2:23:01
  Speaker 2: this is like the jokes are coming. However, I would
• 2:23:05
  Speaker 2: it would be really interesting to talk to some of
• 2:23:07
  Speaker 2: these folks outside of that situation.
• 2:23:09
  Speaker 3: Yes, yes, I would very much. I do not believe
• 2:23:12
  Speaker 3: that this is a reliable narrator, obvious for very obvious reasons. Quinn,
• 2:23:21
  Speaker 3: I would love to talk to you, by.
• 2:23:23
  Speaker 2: The way, right, okay, more rob Zombie than anything.
• 2:23:31
  Speaker 3: Let's get back into her post here quote. When I
• 2:23:36
  Speaker 3: made accommodations for this, they started invoking them all the time,
• 2:23:41
  Speaker 3: days on end to avoid difficult conversations about accommodations I
• 2:23:47
  Speaker 3: wanted from them in a false faces sort of way,
• 2:23:51
  Speaker 3: don't don't, don't. There was something else to the social
• 2:23:56
  Speaker 3: strategy they were using that fit this. They discouraged me
• 2:24:00
  Speaker 3: from going Metta.
• 2:24:02
  Speaker 1: Just christs.
• 2:24:05
  Speaker 3: Sorry. At one point they threatened to kick me out
• 2:24:10
  Speaker 3: because if I remember correctly, after more than a day
• 2:24:15
  Speaker 3: of them saying I couldn't talk about my grievances because
• 2:24:19
  Speaker 3: it would do bad things to their cognition, I said
• 2:24:22
  Speaker 3: something anyway, Eventually they said, okay, let's talk about the
• 2:24:27
  Speaker 3: thing we did. They were surprised. The mean thing was
• 2:24:32
  Speaker 3: just that I was sick of being discouraged and talking
• 2:24:35
  Speaker 3: about things.
• 2:24:38
  Speaker 2: Right, guys, I'm on three and I wish I was
• 2:24:41
  Speaker 2: on five.
• 2:24:42
  Speaker 3: Yeah, right, it was just a little thing that has
• 2:24:45
  Speaker 3: turned into a big things.
• 2:24:47
  Speaker 2: Just a little good well, the whole, the whole going
• 2:24:50
  Speaker 2: meta thing is like talking about talking about something, and
• 2:24:54
  Speaker 2: I just don't understand what she's like. She is that
• 2:24:58
  Speaker 2: just like a was it an SEO word that she
• 2:25:01
  Speaker 2: just wanted to be able to be found on the
• 2:25:02
  Speaker 2: journal a lot better? Because that ain't right. I mean,
• 2:25:07
  Speaker 2: we have.
• 2:25:09
  Speaker 3: Heard a lot of Zizz's words, and you know what,
• 2:25:12
  Speaker 3: I'm tired of fucking listening to you, to this. Okay,
• 2:25:16
  Speaker 3: just shut up and let me have my fucking brain
• 2:25:19
  Speaker 3: for a thirty minutes. Okay, Like I can't even blame.
• 2:25:22
  Speaker 3: And then you have Gwenn, who apparently has ADHD and autism.
• 2:25:27
  Speaker 3: I'm sure that's even more for her. And you're like,
• 2:25:30
  Speaker 3: you know what, really, it was just I was tired
• 2:25:33
  Speaker 3: of being told that I shouldn't talk about these crazy
• 2:25:36
  Speaker 3: fucking things that we're.
• 2:25:38
  Speaker 2: Talking about me, and I didn't have my three screens
• 2:25:41
  Speaker 2: to distract me.
• 2:25:47
  Speaker 3: Anyway, Let's go continue on.
• 2:25:49
  Speaker 1: So to conclude this discussion with Gwen, as those rights,
• 2:25:56
  Speaker 1: they came to agree with me about the false face assertions,
• 2:26:00
  Speaker 1: started seeing the same things and other people apologized. It
• 2:26:04
  Speaker 1: was continuous work. Social strategies ran deep. Over time, they
• 2:26:09
  Speaker 1: became less painful to be around. And this is as
• 2:26:13
  Speaker 1: far as we can tell. Like her best friend you
• 2:26:16
  Speaker 1: saying it's less painful to be around, Yeah.
• 2:26:21
  Speaker 2: Like, remind her not to write me a review on LinkedIn,
• 2:26:27
  Speaker 2: right like?
• 2:26:30
  Speaker 3: And she's like, they came to agree with me, Like,
• 2:26:33
  Speaker 3: look at how good I am convincing people of my
• 2:26:36
  Speaker 3: ideas after you probably sat and talked to them for
• 2:26:38
  Speaker 3: four freaking hours. She's going around in circles. I'm guessing
• 2:26:43
  Speaker 3: you probably turned off the breaker to the boat.
• 2:26:45
  Speaker 2: I don't know, people agreeing with your ideas and literally
• 2:26:52
  Speaker 2: raising a white flag because of all the red flags
• 2:26:54
  Speaker 2: you're showing. Yes, there's a difference yes, but if you
• 2:27:02
  Speaker 2: were worried about her worry about money. Quote. I finally
• 2:27:12
  Speaker 2: actually applied for unemployment benefits. I had had a psychological
• 2:27:17
  Speaker 2: barrier to doing so. I had been in talks with NASA,
• 2:27:20
  Speaker 2: where I used to work, to do remote work for them.
• 2:27:25
  Speaker 2: They were interested in paying me like an intern, but
• 2:27:29
  Speaker 2: not as an employee, as an independent contractor without benefits
• 2:27:34
  Speaker 2: at ten ninety nine. There's a reason that exists. They
• 2:27:37
  Speaker 2: cited financial difficulties. I did not believe them. Drat. You
• 2:27:43
  Speaker 2: know what, if her entire journal is just drat, that's perfect.
• 2:27:47
  Speaker 2: I had liked them. Google continued to string me along,
• 2:27:52
  Speaker 2: but the interviews dried up. I got approved for unemployment benefits. Wow,
• 2:27:59
  Speaker 2: ten dollars. I'd like to see that application. This meant
• 2:28:06
  Speaker 2: I had some time because I'd like to copy it.
• 2:28:11
  Speaker 2: I stopped bugging Google to complete the supposedly confirmed I'd
• 2:28:15
  Speaker 2: get high aired process. If they hired me soon, it
• 2:28:19
  Speaker 2: would deprive me of at least several months of freedom.
• 2:28:21
  Speaker 2: In other words, if I work, I don't get to yep.
• 2:28:25
  Speaker 2: We all know this. There was probably no way to
• 2:28:29
  Speaker 2: quote put them on reserve. But if they were, if
• 2:28:33
  Speaker 2: they ever were going to hire me becoming forgotten about
• 2:28:36
  Speaker 2: was about the same thing.
• 2:28:40
  Speaker 3: So do both of you want to call bullshit on
• 2:28:42
  Speaker 3: this whole thing? Because I do?
• 2:28:45
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 2:28:45
  Speaker 3: Please, So you're telling me you're gonna be like Google,
• 2:28:51
  Speaker 3: I'm fine. I have ten thousand dollars in employment that
• 2:28:55
  Speaker 3: I finally but for first of all, I had had
• 2:28:59
  Speaker 3: a psychological barrier to doing so, like, what are you
• 2:29:04
  Speaker 3: even saying? First of all? But also you're gonna basically
• 2:29:09
  Speaker 3: tell Google to fuck off right now because you have
• 2:29:12
  Speaker 3: ten thousand dollars? How much is Google probably gonna pay you?
• 2:29:16
  Speaker 2: But you're like, hmm, well, well it's not enough in
• 2:29:20
  Speaker 2: accordance to how much she thinks she's worth.
• 2:29:23
  Speaker 3: That's right, Like I got ten thousand dollars. I'm on
• 2:29:29
  Speaker 3: a boat now. Don't get me wrong. I don't want
• 2:29:31
  Speaker 3: anyone to think there is nothing shameful about taking unemployment benefits.
• 2:29:35
  Speaker 3: You've paid into it, You've earned it. I'm all about that, right.
• 2:29:38
  Speaker 3: It's just she has been complaining about this freaking job,
• 2:29:44
  Speaker 3: and now she's literally saying, I'm not gonna look it
• 2:29:47
  Speaker 3: out of much into it because I have ten thousand
• 2:29:49
  Speaker 3: dollars now, so and I don't think they're gonna wait,
• 2:29:52
  Speaker 3: so I just don't. You're living on a boat, your
• 2:29:57
  Speaker 3: friend's boat who she bought, not you, just a reminder,
• 2:30:05
  Speaker 3: King Gwen over here for now.
• 2:30:08
  Speaker 1: Mm hmm. Well, I don't know if the ten thousand
• 2:30:12
  Speaker 1: dollars was just like retroactive pay for unemployment or if
• 2:30:17
  Speaker 1: she's getting future payments.
• 2:30:19
  Speaker 2: I don't fully.
• 2:30:20
  Speaker 1: Understand how it's possible given the fact that she is
• 2:30:24
  Speaker 1: turning has turned down jobs, has not I mean having
• 2:30:30
  Speaker 1: been unemployment. Things you have to do, yeah, including take
• 2:30:35
  Speaker 1: jobs that are offered you, yeah, were reasonable.
• 2:30:38
  Speaker 3: So it's almost like somebody might have had to oh,
• 2:30:42
  Speaker 3: I don't know, falsify forms or go against their moral
• 2:30:47
  Speaker 3: you know, standards that they didn't want to go against
• 2:30:50
  Speaker 3: earlier for that undergrad job. It's almost like they might
• 2:30:56
  Speaker 3: have had to do the same things to get unemployment
• 2:30:58
  Speaker 3: in this scenario. But what do I know? But okay, okay,
• 2:31:03
  Speaker 3: Gwen or sorry, not you, gwinn, I'm so sorry, says
• 2:31:09
  Speaker 3: not you, not you, okay.
• 2:31:14
  Speaker 2: Jerry anyway, Jerry.
• 2:31:18
  Speaker 3: Well, I'm not entirely sure about my feelings are one yet.
• 2:31:20
  Speaker 3: But in the Grand Salmon thing, okay, all right, so
• 2:31:26
  Speaker 3: quote there was something really deep I hadn't had before,
• 2:31:31
  Speaker 3: and being able to just think and bounce ideas off
• 2:31:34
  Speaker 3: someone equally interested in schemes to save the world. For
• 2:31:38
  Speaker 3: weeks on end. I came to see the way the
• 2:31:42
  Speaker 3: Bay Area compressed this style of thought away be shortening
• 2:31:47
  Speaker 3: runway via artificially high housing prices is something that was
• 2:31:52
  Speaker 3: crucial to escape for anyone who wanted to actually try
• 2:31:56
  Speaker 3: to save the world, who wouldn't accept a ninety percent
• 2:32:00
  Speaker 3: probability of doom, who knew the game had to change somehow.
• 2:32:09
  Speaker 2: At this point, I'll I'll take the ninety percent doom.
• 2:32:13
  Speaker 2: Sounds like a reasonable alternative, kind of like choosing to
• 2:32:17
  Speaker 2: sit in the smoking section of a plane in the eighties,
• 2:32:19
  Speaker 2: Like it's awful, but at least you know what you're
• 2:32:22
  Speaker 2: in for. Maybe maybe you'll get to sit next to Spiccoli.
• 2:32:25
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 2:32:27
  Speaker 1: I like how she.
• 2:32:28
  Speaker 3: Said, like I'm gonna use this term to think, but
• 2:32:29
  Speaker 3: you are on a boat, smoking weed, just chilling on
• 2:32:33
  Speaker 3: a boat in a bay, all right, and you wanna
• 2:32:35
  Speaker 3: be like this is my thinking time.
• 2:32:40
  Speaker 2: Something tells me that she took Blues Clues very literally.
• 2:32:48
  Speaker 9: Okay, girl, Okay, So she continues to say, I had
• 2:32:53
  Speaker 9: come away from Waiss convinced I needed to learn so
• 2:32:58
  Speaker 9: many things to sort my thinking and planning in so
• 2:33:01
  Speaker 9: many ways, and trying to squeeze this in but.
• 2:33:04
  Speaker 1: Never having the time and job application hell had displaced it.
• 2:33:10
  Speaker 1: The Bay Area was the problem, but that was where
• 2:33:14
  Speaker 1: all the rationalists were, and historically talking to them had
• 2:33:18
  Speaker 1: been extremely important. Hopefully at some point I'd be a
• 2:33:22
  Speaker 1: programmer with money to spare the time kept going by.
• 2:33:27
  Speaker 2: What So the Bay Area was the problem, the rationalists
• 2:33:33
  Speaker 2: are there, Therefore the rationalists are the problem.
• 2:33:42
  Speaker 1: I meant, I would say, to some extent the rationalists.
• 2:33:48
  Speaker 1: I know that the industry is there, but they're all
• 2:33:53
  Speaker 1: insisting on living and like one of the highest priced
• 2:33:57
  Speaker 1: housing markets in the country. So yeah, it's a problem,
• 2:34:01
  Speaker 1: but it's a foreseeable problem, especially for a group of
• 2:34:04
  Speaker 1: smart people.
• 2:34:05
  Speaker 3: But it is a farcial problem. And I don't know
• 2:34:07
  Speaker 3: this to be true because I haven't looked it up yet,
• 2:34:09
  Speaker 3: but I'm certainly going to. So this is just me speculating.
• 2:34:12
  Speaker 3: I'm not accusing anybody of anything, but I am very
• 2:34:16
  Speaker 3: curious to see who owns these properties that a lot
• 2:34:19
  Speaker 3: of these rationalists who are moving to San Francisco live
• 2:34:22
  Speaker 3: in I'm very curious who the owners of these properties
• 2:34:25
  Speaker 3: are because I know, just putting that out.
• 2:34:30
  Speaker 1: There, I bet they smell really bad.
• 2:34:32
  Speaker 2: All right, So M quote Jasper Gwen had a sort
• 2:34:39
  Speaker 2: of continual ontology generation thing going on. They called them
• 2:34:44
  Speaker 2: ontologies of the week because they were to be tried
• 2:34:48
  Speaker 2: on and usually discarded. They had enormous trouble writing excuse
• 2:34:53
  Speaker 2: me their thoughts down, They said, all of their best
• 2:34:56
  Speaker 2: thoughts were illegible. They would try and leave breadcrumbs for
• 2:35:02
  Speaker 2: themselves to reload the context, but writing incautiously subtly, but
• 2:35:09
  Speaker 2: subtly but actively damaged the process. They had lost friends
• 2:35:14
  Speaker 2: from psychological inability to write emails, like they stopped trusting
• 2:35:19
  Speaker 2: someone as soon as they stopped seeing them in person regularly.
• 2:35:23
  Speaker 2: They said they experienced discontent, discontinuities, discontinuities in personal identity
• 2:35:32
  Speaker 2: they figuratively called reincarnations. I don't know what I read,
• 2:35:40
  Speaker 2: so like.
• 2:35:41
  Speaker 3: I understand that for people, you know, apparently this says
• 2:35:45
  Speaker 3: that Gwen has autism and from reading when stuff. I
• 2:35:50
  Speaker 3: don't think Zez is making that up in any way,
• 2:35:53
  Speaker 3: shape or form. And you know, so those come with
• 2:35:56
  Speaker 3: social struggles for those kinds of people and writing stuff down.
• 2:36:02
  Speaker 3: But I almost also kind of wonder if SIS is
• 2:36:06
  Speaker 3: a little bit like, oh, I'm not going to include
• 2:36:09
  Speaker 3: any of Gwynn's actually good ideas so I can like
• 2:36:15
  Speaker 3: claim them as my own later, or you know, like
• 2:36:19
  Speaker 3: it's just it's just very interesting how she or is
• 2:36:23
  Speaker 3: that because guess what, Gwynn has her own blog, all right,
• 2:36:28
  Speaker 3: So Gwynn can write things, all right, And I don't
• 2:36:32
  Speaker 3: think her blog is necessarily like quite honestly, I don't
• 2:36:36
  Speaker 3: think it's as incoherent as this. I mean, it's still
• 2:36:39
  Speaker 3: it's still out there you guys, like I'm not. But
• 2:36:42
  Speaker 3: it's just again really says okay girl, Okay, you say so,
• 2:36:50
  Speaker 3: but okay, all right, so and this is our last
• 2:36:56
  Speaker 3: paragraph for tonight for the blog. Okay, so this is
• 2:37:00
  Speaker 3: what we're gonna end on with tonight. Quote. While motoring back,
• 2:37:06
  Speaker 3: they were asking me about fusion, which they said they
• 2:37:10
  Speaker 3: still hadn't been able to do. I was basically stumped.
• 2:37:16
  Speaker 3: I asked them to give an example of internal conflict.
• 2:37:20
  Speaker 3: They said, adventure versus comfort. They mentioned putting themselves through
• 2:37:25
  Speaker 3: this comfort, like exposing themselves to cold to enter a
• 2:37:28
  Speaker 3: more adventurous mindset there they would do more adventurous things.
• 2:37:34
  Speaker 3: I said, don't do that, it's internal violence. I might
• 2:37:40
  Speaker 3: have also said something about a state of being where
• 2:37:43
  Speaker 3: you just fix bugs without worrying if they were bugs,
• 2:37:47
  Speaker 3: fixing bugs because you know you could fix the next
• 2:37:52
  Speaker 3: one when they were exposed. That there was some sort
• 2:37:57
  Speaker 3: of some self fulfilling prophecy see nature to whether you
• 2:38:01
  Speaker 3: were in this seat or not, they said that helped,
• 2:38:06
  Speaker 3: did it? Because I don't know what the fuck you
• 2:38:10
  Speaker 3: just said is? How did that help? And anyone in
• 2:38:13
  Speaker 3: any sort of freaking way, what.
• 2:38:19
  Speaker 1: What it's like?
• 2:38:23
  Speaker 2: You know, this whole like adventure v comfort thing, Like
• 2:38:26
  Speaker 2: I get that that that could be very much a
• 2:38:28
  Speaker 2: a in internal conflict which could be violent. Sure, But
• 2:38:32
  Speaker 2: like then they go on to explain, like putting myself
• 2:38:35
  Speaker 2: in cold to then feel like I can be adventurous. No, no,
• 2:38:39
  Speaker 2: just go hike the Himalayas. That's adventurous and cold, like
• 2:38:44
  Speaker 2: just double scoopid MULTITASKT why are we making this so difficult?
• 2:38:51
  Speaker 10: I don't understand the internal violence part right, because like
• 2:38:55
  Speaker 10: I saw, I suffer from like a lot of anxiety
• 2:38:58
  Speaker 10: and special social especially social anxiety, and like there's the
• 2:39:02
  Speaker 10: whole like putting yourself in the situation to like exposure therapy,
• 2:39:09
  Speaker 10: right to like get over that.
• 2:39:10
  Speaker 3: And I think that's what Ziz or I'm sorry Gwen
• 2:39:14
  Speaker 3: is trying to be like, yeah, like I'm trying to
• 2:39:17
  Speaker 3: expose myself to this to get out of this, you know,
• 2:39:20
  Speaker 3: because again she she is also autistic, like that's a
• 2:39:23
  Speaker 3: big problem they have with living in their own little
• 2:39:27
  Speaker 3: bubble and not wanting to get out of that, you know.
• 2:39:30
  Speaker 3: And then Zis is like, no, how dare you try
• 2:39:33
  Speaker 3: to expand your horizons or try to overcome these things?
• 2:39:38
  Speaker 3: How dare you do that? You know how bad you're
• 2:39:41
  Speaker 3: being to yourself. You're not being truthful? Like who the
• 2:39:45
  Speaker 3: fuck are you to say that, Ziz, Yeah, it's exactly that.
• 2:39:51
  Speaker 3: Oh and then she ends it. She ends it with
• 2:39:54
  Speaker 3: they said that helped girl. So done with you. I'm
• 2:40:05
  Speaker 3: so done with her. So you guys, that brings us
• 2:40:11
  Speaker 3: to the conclusion where we're going to start. Yes, that
• 2:40:15
  Speaker 3: emoji is everything we are all like right now, like
• 2:40:18
  Speaker 3: what did they even just say? So that's where we're
• 2:40:23
  Speaker 3: going to stop tonight. This is about halfway through this
• 2:40:26
  Speaker 3: blog post. Okay, because again Ziz uses all of the words.
• 2:40:35
  Speaker 3: So I think this is a good stopping point tonight
• 2:40:38
  Speaker 3: because we've been with a very long time. There's our
• 2:40:40
  Speaker 3: family full house photo there. So good news is is
• 2:40:47
  Speaker 3: that we don't have any updates to our group a
• 2:40:50
  Speaker 3: cheat sheet for tonight with all the people, we don't
• 2:40:54
  Speaker 3: have any updates. This is the only episode, unfortunately where
• 2:41:00
  Speaker 3: I can say that because things are not going to
• 2:41:03
  Speaker 3: get any better from here. You guys, you know, we
• 2:41:06
  Speaker 3: chose to have fun tonight because there isn't you know,
• 2:41:11
  Speaker 3: anyone dying tonight or being harmed in any way. So
• 2:41:15
  Speaker 3: we just really wanted to have fun tonight while we
• 2:41:17
  Speaker 3: still can because it is not going well after now.
• 2:41:22
  Speaker 3: So JT, what are your your closing thoughts for tonight?
• 2:41:26
  Speaker 3: With what we've heard? What do you what do you
• 2:41:28
  Speaker 3: got going on here?
• 2:41:30
  Speaker 2: I mean, without a doubt, this is one of the
• 2:41:32
  Speaker 2: strangest origin stories of Occult Leader that's ever been documented.
• 2:41:38
  Speaker 2: We're still not finished with it. We've got a highly
• 2:41:44
  Speaker 2: intelligent but socially inept protagonist, barad of questionable housing arrangements,
• 2:41:50
  Speaker 2: a deep seated victim complex, and just the right amount
• 2:41:53
  Speaker 2: of grandiosity to turn every day in convenience into moral
• 2:41:57
  Speaker 2: crusades that she never even carries through with. Yes, Ziz
• 2:42:02
  Speaker 2: so much thinks she's playing chess while we're playing checkers,
• 2:42:07
  Speaker 2: but she's not. She's flipping the board and then she's
• 2:42:11
  Speaker 2: declaring herself the only one who understands the game and
• 2:42:14
  Speaker 2: then blaming the pieces for not moving the way she wants.
• 2:42:18
  Speaker 2: I mean, sure, it's easy to laugh at the absurdity
• 2:42:24
  Speaker 2: of it all because it is just that. But but,
• 2:42:27
  Speaker 2: but it's also terrifying, Like these aren't just journal entries
• 2:42:31
  Speaker 2: from someone with too much time on her hands and
• 2:42:34
  Speaker 2: not enough perspective. This is the foundational philosophy of someone
• 2:42:39
  Speaker 2: who would go on to justify violence in the name
• 2:42:42
  Speaker 2: of some grand, self assigned mission. And it all started
• 2:42:47
  Speaker 2: with dog shit on the floor and a man masturbating
• 2:42:50
  Speaker 2: on a couch in front of a big screen TV.
• 2:42:55
  Speaker 3: I mean, I did tell you, guys at the beginning,
• 2:42:59
  Speaker 3: it all started over asking for it in advance, you guys,
• 2:43:05
  Speaker 3: you got all of that from that.
• 2:43:11
  Speaker 1: Honestly, talking about this with y'all tonight, I've read these
• 2:43:16
  Speaker 1: posts before, but it's the thing about hearing it out loud.
• 2:43:21
  Speaker 1: Some of the things that Ziz writes about Gwen m
• 2:43:25
  Speaker 1: h and and I think it's the thing I already
• 2:43:29
  Speaker 1: kind of thought is Zizz is going to be finding
• 2:43:34
  Speaker 1: people that she can manipulate for one reason or another,
• 2:43:38
  Speaker 1: and I'm concerned where we are now. I'm worried for
• 2:43:43
  Speaker 1: Gwen because some of these asides that Ziz is saying,
• 2:43:48
  Speaker 1: if they are true, I feel like could be signed
• 2:43:51
  Speaker 1: signs of a deeper mental situation that is being untreated.
• 2:43:56
  Speaker 1: I don't know that, but just there's multiple calms about,
• 2:44:02
  Speaker 1: you know, not being able to understand her emotions, not
• 2:44:06
  Speaker 1: being able to understand being alive, reincarnations, just things that
• 2:44:11
  Speaker 1: like could just be young people having deep conversations on
• 2:44:16
  Speaker 1: a boat, because we know that's happening, but I just were,
• 2:44:20
  Speaker 1: you know, I'm kind of worried. It seems like she's
• 2:44:24
  Speaker 1: found somebody who could potentially be struggling already broke them
• 2:44:28
  Speaker 1: down in this roommate conflict where she forced her hand
• 2:44:34
  Speaker 1: when one might have tried to establish boundaries with her,
• 2:44:37
  Speaker 1: and that set her off. So I'm curious to see
• 2:44:41
  Speaker 1: where that goes next week, because I know we're going
• 2:44:44
  Speaker 1: to be seeing these two again. As far as my
• 2:44:47
  Speaker 1: thoughts on Ziz at the moment, other than me thinking
• 2:44:50
  Speaker 1: she's probably taking advantage of people. I think Ziz thinks
• 2:44:55
  Speaker 1: she's the smartest person in any room.
• 2:44:58
  Speaker 3: Oh boy.
• 2:44:58
  Speaker 1: She thinks she can save the world, but she can't
• 2:45:01
  Speaker 1: even use spell check, and I think, like plenty of
• 2:45:06
  Speaker 1: ambitious and delusional people do, she blames others for her
• 2:45:10
  Speaker 1: own issues. She can't get a job because she isn't
• 2:45:14
  Speaker 1: fake enough, she can't get a house because everyone else
• 2:45:17
  Speaker 1: is fake. She acts like she's looking for empathetic souls,
• 2:45:22
  Speaker 1: but it just, like I said, really seems like she's
• 2:45:25
  Speaker 1: just praying on people that she thinks she can manipulate.
• 2:45:29
  Speaker 3: Yeah, she may see.
• 2:45:31
  Speaker 1: Herself as an end Bringer or a Darth Maul type,
• 2:45:36
  Speaker 1: but at this point she seems more like any of
• 2:45:39
  Speaker 1: the kids on a very special episode of Full House,
• 2:45:44
  Speaker 1: precocious and likely to learn a lesson soon.
• 2:45:47
  Speaker 2: Yes, yes, some real background music at the end.
• 2:45:54
  Speaker 3: I agree, you know I have. I'm still undecided. After
• 2:45:59
  Speaker 3: I time, I'm still undersctided on my feelings with them
• 2:46:03
  Speaker 3: about Gwinn. I think after the next episode, as they
• 2:46:07
  Speaker 3: process it more, I might have more of a feeling
• 2:46:10
  Speaker 3: about that. But I do very much believe that Ziz
• 2:46:14
  Speaker 3: has sought Gwynn out purposely. I know, we laughed about
• 2:46:18
  Speaker 3: a lot about the things that Gwenn had to say
• 2:46:21
  Speaker 3: according to this. Again, this is according to SiZ, so
• 2:46:25
  Speaker 3: it's not entire relatable reliable, but I do feel like,
• 2:46:31
  Speaker 3: clearly we have seen that. You know, Gwenn has some
• 2:46:35
  Speaker 3: difficulties here, right, she has ADHD, she has autism, you know,
• 2:46:40
  Speaker 3: but at the same time, she has stuck going forward.
• 2:46:42
  Speaker 3: She lives on her own boat, you know, she's trying
• 2:46:45
  Speaker 3: to make a life for herself. And then Ziz just
• 2:46:48
  Speaker 3: comes out of fucking nowhere, you guys, and I'm going
• 2:46:50
  Speaker 3: to let you know it doesn't turn out great, okay,
• 2:46:53
  Speaker 3: because again here we are with Ziz with another room.
• 2:46:55
  Speaker 3: How do you think you know? Because that's why I
• 2:46:57
  Speaker 3: wanted to bring up the earlier stories. Like, I don't know,
• 2:47:01
  Speaker 3: maybe some of you are bored or not, I don't know,
• 2:47:04
  Speaker 3: But the reason I wanted to tell these earlier stories
• 2:47:08
  Speaker 3: is because you are going to see this exact behavior
• 2:47:11
  Speaker 3: with other people. Right, So the relationship you saw with
• 2:47:16
  Speaker 3: Ziz and the roommate Michael, you're gonna see playing into
• 2:47:22
  Speaker 3: other relationships where she's manipulating and triangulating and all of
• 2:47:27
  Speaker 3: these things. You know, and that's why I really wanted
• 2:47:30
  Speaker 3: to talk about it tonight, because it's not very often
• 2:47:35
  Speaker 3: that you get to hear from like a cult leader's
• 2:47:38
  Speaker 3: own words, what they're thinking and what they're saying. You know,
• 2:47:44
  Speaker 3: right now, Ziz is in jail. Okay, she's locked up.
• 2:47:47
  Speaker 3: She has no bond for reasons. I mean, you guys,
• 2:47:52
  Speaker 3: the next two episodes are gonna be wild when you
• 2:47:55
  Speaker 3: find out what Ziz does next. But I forget where
• 2:48:02
  Speaker 3: I was I was going with with that. Either way,
• 2:48:08
  Speaker 3: it doesn't matter. I think tonight really shows that Gwynn
• 2:48:13
  Speaker 3: or I'm sorry, Ziz doesn't get along with people, well
• 2:48:22
  Speaker 3: at all, no them, Yeah, she one has to respect
• 2:48:29
  Speaker 3: them to get along with them. Well, you're gonna hear
• 2:48:32
  Speaker 3: from other people as well that encounters this. You know
• 2:48:34
  Speaker 3: a lot of people say, oh, cult leaders are very charismatic.
• 2:48:38
  Speaker 3: Guess what, literally nobody has that to say about Ziz. Okay, nobody,
• 2:48:44
  Speaker 3: nobody has to say that this is a charamatic, charismatic
• 2:48:48
  Speaker 3: leader whatsoever. You know, I think she just manipulated people,
• 2:48:55
  Speaker 3: got into their brains and took advantage of situations. You notice,
• 2:48:58
  Speaker 3: nothing's wrong about Zizz right, Like, she doesn't have any
• 2:49:03
  Speaker 3: any difficulties or setbacks, because lord no, she'd tell you
• 2:49:11
  Speaker 3: about them right, like she would let you know if
• 2:49:15
  Speaker 3: there was something else going on with her, like there is,
• 2:49:18
  Speaker 3: gwyn But I hope you enjoyed tonight's episode, you guys.
• 2:49:21
  Speaker 3: I know it's a little bit different than our normal
• 2:49:24
  Speaker 3: where we cover all the facts and this is our
• 2:49:27
  Speaker 3: interpretation of this is reading. But again, I hope you
• 2:49:30
  Speaker 3: enjoyed the ride and an insight into that. So our
• 2:49:36
  Speaker 3: next episode we will be finishing reading the rest of
• 2:49:39
  Speaker 3: this blog goes Byziz. The next episode will not be
• 2:49:42
  Speaker 3: as long as this one. I do apologize about the length,
• 2:49:44
  Speaker 3: but like at this point in the show, you realized
• 2:49:48
  Speaker 3: why we had to tell it, so you're here, there's
• 2:49:53
  Speaker 3: so much more. We're going to meet some new members,
• 2:49:57
  Speaker 3: because how do you guys think this handles new piece
• 2:50:00
  Speaker 3: people coming into her and Gwinn's friendship. Do you guys
• 2:50:02
  Speaker 3: think that goes well? I don't think it does. We're
• 2:50:09
  Speaker 3: also going to finally explore what they mean by mental tech,
• 2:50:17
  Speaker 3: you guys. I don't even know how to explain this
• 2:50:20
  Speaker 3: like a normal person to because and then we're going
• 2:50:26
  Speaker 3: to cover Zi and Gwynn their attempt to solve the
• 2:50:30
  Speaker 3: San Francisco rent problem by forming a rationalist community that
• 2:50:36
  Speaker 3: lives on boats that they call the Rationalist Fleets aka
• 2:50:44
  Speaker 3: the Rat Fleets, and it goes about as well as
• 2:50:48
  Speaker 3: you think it's gonna go. You, guys, we're still dealing
• 2:50:52
  Speaker 3: with us in twenty twenty five, but you don't want
• 2:50:54
  Speaker 3: to miss it. Also, if anyone watching happens to know
• 2:50:59
  Speaker 3: any of these people or was part of the group themselves,
• 2:51:02
  Speaker 3: we welcome you to reach out to me at Tara
• 2:51:05
  Speaker 3: at tcwtmedia dot com and we would love to have
• 2:51:09
  Speaker 3: you on the show and hear your story. If I'm wrong,
• 2:51:11
  Speaker 3: please and you're part of this, email me let me know.
• 2:51:14
  Speaker 3: I have no problem being like, oh that wasn't right,
• 2:51:17
  Speaker 3: and go in. If you're out there, I really want
• 2:51:19
  Speaker 3: to talk to you. I'd be quite honest now if
• 2:51:23
  Speaker 3: you happen to have any information. But after that, hey,
• 2:51:27
  Speaker 3: we're both afternoon girls for coffee. Me too, girl of
• 2:51:32
  Speaker 3: me too. We can be frenzies. Now. If you haven't
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  Speaker 3: had any information about any of the criminal acts that
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  Speaker 3: But I also don't want to talk to.
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  Speaker 1: That you so.
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  Speaker 2: You have people who can look those up. Yeah, right,
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  Speaker 3: Ooh, you guys don't want to miss it. You guys
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  Speaker 3: on that note, let's sign off for tonight. Cavin, you're
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  Speaker 3: new here, what sign off do you have for us?
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  Speaker 1: Oh? I want to thank everybody for watching. It's really
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  Speaker 1: excited to see some of the people pop into chat,
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  Speaker 1: even though I couldn't figure out how to chat with
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  Speaker 1: them and do the things I need to do. Also, Terry,
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  Speaker 1: please feel better soon, because you're a million times better
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  Speaker 1: than I am at this. And to quote Ghostbusters, keep fit,
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  Speaker 1: stay sharp, and make good decisions.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, everybody leave all the good comments on how great
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  Speaker 3: of a job cappened to tonight. This is our first
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  Speaker 3: time on any of our shows. I think she did
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  Speaker 3: freaking fantastic. I hope she comes back again to discuss
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  Speaker 3: Zizzi and somewhere because I loved her insights so much.
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  Speaker 3: She did a great job. Thank you for that, Terry.
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  Speaker 3: We do hope you feel better. Until next Sunday, you guys,
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  Speaker 2: Yes, Harry, please feel better. We can't both be sick
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