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Brant Hansen: Outsourcing Worry, Being Joyful In A World Gone Mad · Worldview Matters With David Fiorazo

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  Welcome to World View Matters, discussing controversial issues, discerning current events,
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  defending biblical Christianity.
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  No topic off limits.
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  And now, here's your host, David Fierazzo.
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  Hey, family and friends, as I was going to say, family and Christ, but I guess that's
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  absolutely accurate.
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  Thank you for tuning in.
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  Thanks for sharing the podcast.
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  It's growing.
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  Thanks to you.
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  Can't wait to talk to our guest today, Brent Hansen.
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  He's an author nationally syndicated radio host advocate for healing children through
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  Kier International.
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  We'll talk a bit about that.
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  He's got a radio show that airs on more than 200 stations.
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  His podcast with his friend and radio producer Sherry Lynn is called the Brent and Sherry
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  Oddcast.
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  It's been downloaded more than 10 million times.
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  He leverages his radio platform to advance the healing work of Kier, which provides life-changing
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  surgeries for children with treatable conditions.
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  And his first book was unoffendable, prompted a national discussion actually on the idea
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  of forgiveness and our culture's embrace of self-righteous anger.
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  A second book, Blessed are the misfits, followed by the truth about us, the very good news
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  about how very bad we are.
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  He also wrote the men we need, and he's got to follow up coming out.
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  But we're going to talk about his recent book today.
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  It's called Life is Hard, God is Good, Let's Dance.
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  Now, I went to his website and his actual bio on his website, which it says actual bio,
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  it starts off like this.
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  Brent Hansen has no idea what he's doing.
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  He keeps showing up, and people keep asking him to do stuff, and he keeps saying yes.
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  Well, Brent, thank you for saying yes to coming on World View Matters.
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  God bless you.
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  I'm honored.
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  Good to see you too.
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  Thank you.
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  Yeah.
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  Yeah.
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  Thanks for your time.
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  Let's start with Cure International.
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  That's something you've been involved with for many years, and that's obviously one of
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  the drivers of your current odd cast.
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  So tell us about Cure.
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  Well, it's like, it's going to sound like hype.
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  This is one of the few things that's not hype.
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  It's like the most beautiful thing in the world.
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  Like it's healing kids, giving them top notch surgeries for free.
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  These are kids, and Cure has eight different surgical hospitals.
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  They're full on permanent hospitals, and the kids, they treat, they can be 15 years old
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  having neglected club foot or something like they could have been treated if they were
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  in a, because they would have been, or they, or they had earned contractures from when
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  they were three years old, and now they're 12, and they can't walk.
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  Like it's all done in the name of Jesus.
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  Last year, Cure did 18,000 surgeries.
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  There's nothing else like this in the world.
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  Wow.
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  And it's both healing and proclaiming the Kingdom of God, which is exactly what Jesus actually
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  told us to do.
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  So like, it's so profound, it's hard to get your head around, but I help people, like
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  if you visit one of these hospitals, it's like, it's like an embassy in the Kingdom of
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  Heaven.
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  It's, it's doing Jesus stuff.
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  It's like an advanced trailer of Heaven to see these kids be able to play and they've
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  been told their curse to their entire lives because they have a disability, and we, we
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  fix it.
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  We tell them about Jesus, share the gospel, follow up with them, get them, get them involved
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  in churches.
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  It's, it's absolutely phenomenal.
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  And it's just cure.org if anybody wants to look it up.
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  Mm-hmm.
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  Yeah, we'll talk about that because you've got some stories in your book about that.
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  I like to part about when you were in Afghanistan.
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  I saw the video just amazing.
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  I mean, you're right.
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  It's the hands and feet of Christ, doing God's work.
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  I did want to ask you, though, because I've been in radio for quite a few years and now
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  in, you know, podcast video and all that stuff.
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  But how did you connect with Sherry Lynn?
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  I want a partner that has a book called, I want to punch you in the face, but I love
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  Jesus.
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  So about five years ago, that book came up.
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  How did you connect with Sherry Lynn?
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  What a great chemistry you guys have.
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  Well, see you applied for my producer job when I was at this one radio network.
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  I could she didn't think I was serious about hiring her, but I just she's obviously got
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  so much personality.
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  It's crazy.
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  Yes.
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  Yes.
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  She's theologically astute.
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  She's hilarious.
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  Like, we, we, it's such a great chemistry because we're both focused the same direction
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  in terms of the kingdom.
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  And we have similar sisters humor, this major overlap.
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  Like, you know, she's a black lady from Pittsburgh.
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  I'm a white nerdy guy from small towns in Illinois and there's so much, there's so much
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  there.
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  So it has, we've been working together for 11 years now.
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  It's wonderful.
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  Awesome.
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  Were you based now, Brent?
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  Jupiter Florida is where I am.
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  And for people on video that are looking at my books here, this is actually like a curtain.
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  It blocks the trash cans.
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  So if you're wondering why it looks like there's folds in the books, that's why it was like.
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  Thanks.
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  Thanks for pointing that out.
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  Pay no attention to the garbage behind the curtain.
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  Don't worry.
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  Yeah.
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  Yeah.
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  So Brent, let's talk about the followership conference.
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  This is coming up in a few weeks and it sounds wonderful.
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  I've heard you talk about it in the videos and on the podcast.
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  And man, it's just the simplicity of following Jesus.
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  Why are you putting this on and just tell us more about it?
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  Yeah, a couple of things.
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  Number one, it's just like an idea.
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  Like somebody ought to do this instead of a leadership conference.
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  How to actually follow Jesus.
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  How to actually do it would be really refreshing.
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  So I've talked about that for a while.
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  And at one point, we're just like, well, we got to do it.
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  We may never do it again because it's tough when you've got a radio schedule and you're
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  doing other stuff to make time for, but we're having it at Grace College in Indiana, beautiful
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  little town in mid April, just Friday night through Sunday morning thing.
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  But literally, we're just talking about how to actually love our enemies, how to actually
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  forgive people, how to live a less anxious life, all sermon on the mouse stuff.
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  But part of it too is like Dallas Willard, he wrote, why don't churches just put a sign
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  out front that say, you know, Tuesday night to 630,
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  we will teach you how to follow Jesus.
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  I mean, it's called making disciples, right?
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  Like this is supposed to be central, but for some reason, if it's not, so we just thought
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  to be good and maybe spark some thoughts for people about how to actually do this that
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  they can share with people when they go home and how to, it's, it's discipling.
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  It's going to be really fun.
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  We have some musical guests, Mike Dunney from 10th Avenue North, it's going to be their
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  Josh even, the afters and Lance Ford and author and I'm going to speak and share you
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  in and we're going to have a blast, but yeah, that's what, that's what that is.
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  So I hear this is not going to be very polished.
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  No way.
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  It can't be.
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  Nothing.
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  Just polished is my bookshelf here.
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  But we love that like, we, Sherry and I both have been through church stuff where it's
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  big, there's a big show sometimes and I'm not interested.
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  I'm just, I'm done with it.
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  That's one of the, one of the reasons I'm so drawn to cures is like, with all the goofy
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  stuff in the Christian subculture in this country, being able to actually see Jesus stuff
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  is so refreshing.
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  Yeah.
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  They could just, yeah.
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  So we love that.
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  Yeah.
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  Well, my goodness, a follower ship, I, yeah, you hear a lot about leadership, but what
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  are we supposed to be doing following Jesus, not putting someone up on a pedestal?
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  And by the way, worship attainment, I think is what you're referring to.
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  The entertainment you see at some churches that's, I'm thinking that's the world.
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  That's not Christian.
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  We're not supposed to conform to the world, but a lot of churches are trying to do this
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  to try to attract people.
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  Go ahead and comment on that, Brent, we will dive into the book.
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  Well, you can do the same thing with, with waving the Bible around too.
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  I know this from my own background, I don't like, I grew up in a fundamentalist background.
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  My dad was a preacher and my goodness, our home was just trauma, just traumatic.
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  We were terrified.
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  We went through a couple of divorces and whatnot.
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  But anybody can look good on stage.
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  Yes.
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  And then you'll, you'll say, oh, what a great man of God.
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  He's really preaching the, but you have no clue if you don't know this person like.
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  So I went through that growing up where it's like, well, your dad's such an amazing man
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  of God.
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  You're terrified to go home.
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  You have no idea.
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  Anybody can put up a, a front.
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  But seeing people healed in the name of Jesus, seeing people pray, being in the operating
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  room and seeing people gather around a child who's been nothing but rejected her entire
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  life or his entire life, like, that I needed to see that.
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  Like it's so obviously the kingdom of God, it's just so refreshing.
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  And it just feels like we're on missions, you know?
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  I love it.
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  Well, let's start with the book, a life is hard, God is good, let's dance.
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  I really love your focus on just showing people the simplicity about the Bible and talking
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  about dealing with anxiety in everyday life and having the joy of the Lord that's in
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  our lives and joy is not dependent on circumstances.
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  It says, learn to replace anxiety with gratitude.
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  It's one of the things you'll get in the book, Brent, talk a little bit about that because
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  there's a, yes, you've said in interviews and on your podcast, there's a lot of people
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  dealing with anxiety because there's so much going on in the world today.
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  Oh, totally.
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  And I feel like even with some of the believers, I talk to, when I talk about anxiety or
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  Jesus saying, we should be like the birds of the air, the lilies of the field and not
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  worry.
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  They're like, yeah, that's, that's great.
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  But realistically, I mean, we are going to be worried about like, well, Jesus is very
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  realistic, I think.
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  His way of life that he's giving us is a less anxious life.
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  And on that gratitude thing, it's interesting because modern psychology will tell you gratitude
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  chases out anxiety.
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  True.
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  The grateful thing we're supposed to be giving thanks all the time.
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  Why?
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  Because God needs to be thanked.
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  No, he doesn't need anything.
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  It's good for us.
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  That's why he's telling us to do this.
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  In Paul, he's writing to the Philippians, he says, be anxious for nothing.
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  And then he says two things.
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  He says, tell God what you need and be thankful for all he has done.
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  And then the piece of God will guard your heart, a piece that exceeds our experience will
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  guard your heart and Christ Jesus like, so literally tell him what you need.
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  And then thank him for what he's done.
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  And then you're going to experience this piece that exists regardless of circumstances.
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  And that is such a deep thing.
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  You can still go through grief.
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  You still go through troubles in life.
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  You can still hurt.
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  But even then you've got this deep sense of well-being that doesn't change.
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  So this is a way of life and gratitude in particular is absolutely instrumental in
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  becoming a sort of person who's less anxious.
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  It's something cultivating an attitude of gratitude.
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  And we are to be thankful in all circumstances, right?
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  That's what the Bible says.
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  I think that's 1st Thessalonians 5.
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  But if the Bible says it, we're supposed to be able to do it.
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  God doesn't tell us anything.
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  Give us any instructions.
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  We are not able to carry out, right?
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  Right.
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  And again, it's so wonderful.
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  He's not just telling us that randomly.
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  In fact, like when the Bible says praise the Lord over and over and over and over and
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  over, give him your prayer, like a billion times, right?
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  That's not because God is on an ego trip and he needs us to tell him how great he is.
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  He doesn't need that.
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  He needs nothing.
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  It's for us.
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  We know that when you remind yourself of God's goodness and you praise and you extol his,
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  like his, his characteristics, who he is, remind yourself of how good he is.
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  Rehers be thankful for what he's done.
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  So you can remember how good he is.
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  You remind yourself of this stuff.
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  It's good for us to do that.
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  So David, even in Psalms, he's writing and he'll say, why are you so downcast all my soul?
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  He's talking to his own soul and he says, put your trust in God or he says, I will praise the Lord.
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  Like he knows I can get down, I can get depressed, I can go through stuff.
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  I can be anxious.
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  What do I need to do?
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  He talks to his own soul and he talks about I'm going to actually praise God.
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  Yes.
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  Thank him for what he's done.
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  I'm going to change, like I'm going to speak to my mindset and remind myself of what's true.
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  What's your admirable, like this is stuff we can actually do.
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  And it turns out we're told this stuff because it's remarkably healthy.
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  It's a healthy way to flourish as a human being instead of anxiety.
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  Take his toll on your body.
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  I mean, this is this is a genius way to live.
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  Amen.
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  Bless the Lord, oh my soul.
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  And all that is within me, bless his holy name.
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  He's speaking to his own soul.
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  I love that.
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  Right.
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  Like we can do that too.
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  It's actually a marker of mental health because you're able to say, okay, I'm feeling anxious
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  or I'm feeling down, that's that's part of being human.
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  Let me remind myself of what's true.
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  Let me remind myself that Jesus actually said, Jesus said this, like God took the form
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  of flesh and thought it was important to tell us in this world, you will have troubles.
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  Not wink wink, nod nod, you have be of good cheer because I've overcome the world.
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  You're going to have trouble.
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  This ends really well.
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  You're going to wonder why this stuff is happening.
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  You may not have all the answers, but be of good cheer.
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  I know how this ends and it ends really well.
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  Praise God.
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  Yes.
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  Yeah, I mean, this is this is a strong hand we're playing with and we forget that with
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  just as nervous as everybody else, we shouldn't.
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  Yeah, right before that in John 1633, he started that by saying, in me, you will have peace
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  in this world.
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  Here's the contrast.
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  Yeah.
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  You will have trouble.
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  Anyway, we've got to take a brief pause with Brant Hansen.
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  The book is called Life is Hard.
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  God is Good.
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  Let's dance.
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  Go to the website worldviewmatters.tv Brant Hansen is our guest today.
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  I love this book.
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  It's an easy read.
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  It flows and it just he really has a way of drawing you in writing with language even
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  I can understand you know, because some theological books are pretty pretty deep.
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  This one is really, really a great way to just dive into some of these topics and really
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  understand the simplicity of concepts in the Bible.
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  Brant, I wanted to get back to anxiety for a minute.
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  Page 31, I just want to quote you and let you elaborate a little bit more.
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  It says, but what if you could know that even the worst case scenarios happen and you'd
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  somehow be okay?
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  That sounds crazy, but I'm convinced this is exactly what Jesus is telling us.
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  There is seriously nothing in this world that can ultimately endanger you.
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  If we could just grasp that no matter what happens, who's still in control, right?
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  Right.
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  Imagine the fun you could have when you're not racked by anxiety, imagine how compelling
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  that would be.
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  But I think that's what Jesus is saying, like when he takes his friends, his disciples
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  out on the boats to cross the lake and they hit that storm and he's sleeping on a cushion
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  and it says, everybody else is freaking out.
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  Like we are going to die.
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  That was his idea to go out on the boat.
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  That's right.
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  He knew he's not surprised by the storm.
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  He knew that it was a test.
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  They failed, but he's like, where's your faith?
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  What happened to it?
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  Like even if the ship goes down, you're going to be okay.
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  I mean, this is again, the strong hand, I keep saying it, but that we're playing with.
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  We're genuinely at a very deep ultimate level.
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  We're safe in this world because of him.
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  So that changes everything.
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  I like it too.
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  We get really anxious about stuff.
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  We don't know where it's headed.
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  We worry about next week or next year, what could happen to these elections and this
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  other thing.
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  It's like our lives.
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  I think we're going to look back and we're actually going to think, you know what?
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  I didn't have to actually be anxious about anything.
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  I could have trusted God the entire way, regardless of the chaos in the world.
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  He's ultimately good.
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  And I could have had that attitude.
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  I like it too.
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  Like the NCAA tournament.
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  My favorite team was playing at the time of this recording, playing in a couple hours.
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  The University of Illinois.
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  I'm an alum.
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  They played a game years ago in the tournament.
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  It was the elite eight and they were down 15, I think, with three minutes left to Arizona.
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  And I told my son, he was a boy at the time.
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  I'm like, it's over.
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  He might as well shut it off.
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  I had a terrible attitude, but I was so frustrated.
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  Like, we've lost.
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  Life said, would you let him have fun?
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  Like, you don't have to be Mr. negative and like, okay, but it's all right.
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  It's over.
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  They came back and won that game and went to the final four.
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  Wow.
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  That's come back.
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  Okay.
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  I've watched that on YouTube.
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  I don't get anxious when I watch that game on YouTube.
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  Why?
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  Because I know how it ends.
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  If you know how it ends and it ends well, the refs can make terrible calls.
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  We can miss easy shots.
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  Frustrating things can happen, but your higher outlook is different.
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  We're playing from a really strong hand where death itself has been disarmed for us.
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  Right.
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  He's got.
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  Yes.
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  Right.
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  So this does have to change.
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  But we have to keep reminding ourselves of these true things.
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  That's why like memorizing scripture, committing things to heart that you can draw on, to
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  replace anxious thoughts.
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  Like you can, you're going to be anxious sometimes.
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  It's human, but you become less and less anxious.
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  You become a different sort of person because you're like marinating in the truth all the
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  time.
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  But change is everything.
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  You had me at the very beginning of what you just shared and amen to all of that brand
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  because you had me at we're going to, I have a feeling some of us are going to look back
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  someday and realize we didn't have to worry.
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  And I like some of these points in the material I got for the book.
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  It says, honestly, how can people possibly be joyful in a world this messed up?
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  And then the interesting question, do you have to be naive or unaware of what's going
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  on in the world?
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  Does that mean we can't keep, we can't watch the news.
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  We can't, maybe we can't go outside, they can't watch, and you know what I mean?
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  You've got to shelter yourself.
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  How can we do that?
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  So share your thoughts on that because I know you go much deeper on this.
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  Well we do pay too much attention to cursory events.
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  We do that and that does change us.
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  What we pay attention to does matter, but it's not about ignorance.
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  We can watch the news.
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  We can't be aware.
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  And if you're not, if you're not anxious in this culture or angry, people think you're
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  nuts.
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  Like you just don't understand what's really going on.
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  Did you see what they're doing in these schools?
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  Did you see about this ward?
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  Did you know about this?
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  What about this other thing?
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  Do you know that they, yeah, I do.
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  But it's not about knowing less that makes you at peace.
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  It's about knowing more.
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  It's like I can be aware of all this, but I'm also aware that the kingdom of God is never
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  going to be shaken and that he is good.
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  And when Jesus was telling people they don't need to worry.
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  He was talking to a group of people that didn't have antibiotics.
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  They had food insecurity, they had wars.
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  They were occupied by the Romans.
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  There was, you know, they had plenty of reasons.
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  They could list to be existentially worried every day.
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  And he's telling them they don't need to be worried that God loves them.
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  That this all ends well.
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  Like, so it's not a matter of ignorance.
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  It's actually a matter of knowing more.
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  And that's, that's a very different.
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  But I will say if you're camped out in front of news 24, 7, you're going to be an anxious
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  angry person.
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  Yes.
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  But if you're, if you're dialed into the kingdom, then you're going to become less anxious
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  and you're going to be more apt to love your enemies.
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  I think there's a way to be balanced in that to be informed and yet not overwhelmed.
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  Like Romans 12, 21, do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good brand.
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  We're running out of time and I want to get to talk to us about outsourcing your worries.
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  I found that to be a fascinating concept.
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  Yeah.
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  Well, I did too.
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  It was, um, it was on accident.
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  This guy Tim Ferris, who's like a productivity guru, time management.
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  I listened to part of his book.
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  And he said he was worried about someone.
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  They say he outsources everything to his, his assistant in India has her schedule as appointments
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  and everything to save money and time.
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  And he said he was really worried one day.
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  So he has a joke said to her, Hey, could you worry about this today for me?
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  And she was like, okay, sure.
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  But he said the weird thing is it worked.
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  It's like just knowing somebody was worried about it for me.
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  Freed me up to think about other stuff and I was like, that's off.
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  It is awesome.
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  It's genius.
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  It's genius.
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  That's exactly what we're told to do in scripture to cast our cares on him.
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  Yes.
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  And he can actually do something about it.
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  So it's like next week, tomorrow, next year, not my department.
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  God, can you do something about this because I can't, but you're there.
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  You are already there and you can do something about it.
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  So I'm going to cast my cares on him.
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  I'm going to tell him what I need.
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  Then I'm going to thank him for all he's done.
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  And then the base of God will guard my heart and Christ Jesus.
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  Like that is a fact.
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  We're told to outsource our worries to God.
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  And one other one other fast of that.
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  I actually picture it.
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  The picture I have in my mind when I think about this.
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  I feel like I'm at like a workplace.
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  I got a desk.
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  Somebody brings an envelope to me and says, here's your mail.
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  And it's actually glowing.
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  It's like a vanilla envelope that's glowing inside.
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  I'll be like, no, that's you need to take that down a hall to the
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  nuclear envelopes department.
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  They can handle this.
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  They're equipped for it.
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  I can't handle that.
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  Like I'm not designed for that.
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  It's not my department.
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  So that when it comes to worries, anxieties, next year, whatever.
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  What do they have to think about that?
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  Like God can handle this.
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  Yes, I'm not made for that.
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  Your department, Lord, please take care of this.
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  I can't and then go about my day and just focus on today.
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  That's brilliant, profound, biblical.
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  Thank you.
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  I got to point out something.
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  I the video of you and Sherry holding the different pictures
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  of people holding the book.
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  The most hilarious one was the guy on his knee proposing to his fiancee.
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  He's holding up your book and it's Photoshopped in and she's just like,
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  and she's looking at your book.
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  I thought that was hilarious, man.
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  That was so creative.
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  What a fun video.
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  So good.
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  Good.
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  I was right.
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  Thanks.
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  Well, I'm never been good at promotion.
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  And so I always make a joke out of it.
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  So we have fun.
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  Did a Photoshop job with some stock photos.
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  I was like, insert the book into these situations and go,
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  Hey, look at these people.
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  They love this book.
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  So yeah, that was the idea.
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  Yeah, that was hilarious.
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  I do want to mention real quick.
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  By the way, I don't have time to get to it,
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  but I really found what you shared on page one, ten, one,
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  eleven, those young women, ESPN, the University of Oklahoma,
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  women's softball team, oh my goodness, the faith and the openness
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  about who they are in Christ and that they don't play for man.
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  They play for God and the focus on Jesus and man,
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  that was really impressive.
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  And I love, by the way, young athletes today like CJ Stroud,
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  Houston, Texan, quarterback and so many others that are,
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  they don't care what people think we need more men of God
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  and women of God like that.
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  Let's just let you comment on that real quick if you'd like.
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  Okay, so if people can look this up on YouTube,
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  look up Oklahoma softball players or something, press conference
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  because the ESPN person asked,
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  how do you keep the joy going when you won three national champ?
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  You never lose.
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  Like how does it?
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  How do you keep the joy and they jump in?
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  It's not just like, I just want to thank God for this game.
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  That'd be fine.
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  But with this depth of understanding.
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  Yeah, back to back one player after the other,
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  like writing the last comments, the last person to talk about
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  the nature of joy that's their winner lose.
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  And that frees you up when you, when you feel like you even lose
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  and still have this sense of well-being,
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  it frees you up to play better because your whole identity
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  doesn't rest on winning.
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  It really was amazing.
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  Very profound and just hear young men and women athletes talk
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  like that was like, thank you, Jesus.
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  There's hope for the future.
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  If he doesn't return in the beauty of it, too,
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  was like the ESPN reporter after a while is probably like,
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  holy cow, what did I just like?
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  I didn't expect this exactly.
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  There's all this logical like reflection.
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  They've sent like very older wiser people,
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  not just like 20-year-olds.
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  Yeah.
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  Hey, Brad, before we let you go real quick,
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  do you know if Toby Mac ever showed up for that concert
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  that you were emceeing or introducing him?
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  I don't know.
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  I presume he did at some point.
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  So I had to go down and check and see if the crowd's still there
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  if he ever showed up.
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  I can relate, man.
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  I can relate because in radio,
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  you know, you get up on stage,
• 27:09
  you're doing a lot of the intros.
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  And how many times did you like two, three times
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  and he didn't come out three times?
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  I was like, you didn't make me welcome to Toby Mac.
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  And it's not his fault.
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  It was lack of communication from the stage, man.
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  Like, so I literally left and got in my car drove.
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  It was so embarrassing.
• 27:27
  It was like an introverts ultimate nightmare, but one.
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  Yeah, I was going to say I know how much you love being up
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  on stage in front of thousands of thousands of people.
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  But anyway, hey, brother, I hope we can do this again.
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  Maybe when you, by the way, oh, we didn't get a chance to talk.
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  You got a brand new follow up book, the young men we need.
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  When does that come out?
• 27:44
  It's out.
• 27:45
  It just came out.
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  So awesome.
• 27:47
  Perfect populations or whatever.
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  But yeah, I'd love thoughts on it.
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  Great.
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  We'll do that Lord willing.
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  God bless you, brother.
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  See how to share and Lord willing.
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  We'll talk to you again soon.
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  And as always, keep speaking the truth about things that matter.