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Sharri | 23 October · Sharri

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Speaker 1: Why on Sky News. This is Sharry.
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Speaker 2: Good Evening and I have a massive show ahead tonight.
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Speaker 2: Insiders reveal panic in the Albanese government that Trump could
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Speaker 2: be about to win the election. The mistake Albanzi has
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Speaker 2: already made. More on this story in a minute. Also tonight,
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Speaker 2: I can exclusively reveal a Jewish SBS journalist is considering
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Speaker 2: legal action after the public broadcaster censored interviews that were
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Speaker 2: positive towards Israel. This includes an interview with Richard Kemp
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Speaker 2: which SBS completely removed from online. This is an explosive
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Speaker 2: story only here in a moment, and Lydia Thorpe accused
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Speaker 2: of hypocrisy over accepting largess like Chairman's lounge membership, Whilest
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Speaker 2: slamming the Commonwealth class. I've got the polling pointing to
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Speaker 2: a Dutton victory. Upholster will give us the inside. Das
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Speaker 2: tells live and an exclusive interview with a world leading
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Speaker 2: authority on urban warfare. He reveals whether Israel is truly
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Speaker 2: committing war crimes. Holly hre Is, Michael Kroger, Graham, Richardson,
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Speaker 2: Daniel Melino, John Spencer and Moore Or coming up on
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Speaker 2: the show. But first, the Albaneze government is getting nervous
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Speaker 2: about the possibility of a Trump win, which is looking
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Speaker 2: more likely by the day. The race is tight, it
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Speaker 2: could go either way, but Trump is inching ahead in
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Speaker 2: the seven Swing States. Momentum is now in his favor,
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Speaker 2: with Kamala Harris bizarrely taking a day off today, just
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Speaker 2: two weeks out from the election.
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Speaker 3: Gooda hell takes off your fourteen days left, and she'll
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Speaker 3: take a couple of more days off too. You know why.
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Speaker 3: She's lazy as hell, and she's got that reputation. She's
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Speaker 3: a radical left lunatic. She's further left than Bernie Sanders
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Speaker 3: or PoCA Hunters.
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Speaker 2: Labor is now panicking at the thought of a Donald
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Speaker 2: Trump presidency. One labour sauce told me today, people were
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Speaker 2: relieved that Biden left because they were worried that Trump
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Speaker 2: was going to win. They were openly excited about Kamala
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Speaker 2: Harris coming in, and now they're worried about Trump again.
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Speaker 2: Another senior political figure put it more bluntly when he said,
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Speaker 2: and I quote the Albanezy government and defat were where
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Speaker 2: you can read the rest of that sentence for yourselves.
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Speaker 2: Albin Ezi and Donald Trump couldn't be more different. Their
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Speaker 2: views on fundamental policy areas just world's apart. This is
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Speaker 2: the case for everything from a climate change to Israel,
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Speaker 2: to immigration to China to energy. Climate change is one
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Speaker 2: of Albanzi's top concerns, but Trump has previously described climate
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Speaker 2: science as a hoax.
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Speaker 4: Taking advantage all the global transition to net zero. That
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Speaker 4: is so important. We have a forty three percent reduction
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Speaker 4: target by twenty thirty. That just sided in net zero
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Speaker 4: by twenty fifty.
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Speaker 1: That just said, I haven't heard, Mike, I haven't heard.
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Speaker 3: They don't ever talk about the environment anymore. You know why, Mike,
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Speaker 3: you said, don't talk about it now? No, it's one
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Speaker 3: of the great scams of all time. You know why
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Speaker 3: they don't talk about it because people aren't buying it anymore.
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Speaker 2: Trump previously pulled out of the Paris Agreement, and he
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Speaker 2: could have gained withdraw from international targets. He won't want
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Speaker 2: climate to be a major feature of the Quad as
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Speaker 2: it has been with Joe Biden and alban Easy. Their
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Speaker 2: positions on Israel as well. This is alban Easy and
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Speaker 2: Trump's couldn't be more different. Trump unequivocally supports Israel. He
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Speaker 2: moved America's embassy to Jerusalem during his time in office,
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Speaker 2: but Albin Easy has spent much of his parliamentary Korea
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Speaker 2: as an anti Israel campaigner, even yelling into a microphone
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Speaker 2: at a pro Palestinian rally.
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Speaker 4: We encourage all parties to engage constructively to de escalate
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Speaker 4: the current tensions. International humanitarian war must be respected. We
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Speaker 4: also reiterate our call for an immediate cease firing Gaza.
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Speaker 3: And when I'm back in the Oval Office, I will
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Speaker 3: support Israel's rate to.
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Speaker 1: Win its war on Terra.
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Speaker 3: They have to have a right to win the war,
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Speaker 3: thank you, and I will give Israel the support that
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Speaker 3: it needs to win, but I do want them to
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Speaker 3: win fairs.
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Speaker 2: Now, there's already a concerning gap between Alban Easy and
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Speaker 2: Joe Biden when it comes to support for Israel. In
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Speaker 2: one glaring example, the Biden administration was deeply disappointed that
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Speaker 2: Penniwong refused to vote against that pro Haamas resolution that
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Speaker 2: was put forward by the Palestinian leadership and the United
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Speaker 2: Nations General Assembly recently, and Penniwang, when she was over
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Speaker 2: in the States met with the Palestinian leadership, but she
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Speaker 2: didn't even sit in Congress to listen to Netanyahu's speech.
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Speaker 2: Under Trump, the differences will be even more stark. And
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Speaker 2: then there's immigration. Trump signed in executive order banning people
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Speaker 2: from six Muslim majority countries from entering the US back
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Speaker 2: in twenty twenty, but meanwhile, Anthony Alberezi issued nearly three
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Speaker 2: thousand visas to Gazans despite serious concerns about security vetting
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Speaker 2: in the Hamas controlled territory.
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Speaker 4: A whole group of people who are suffering enormously, something
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Speaker 4: that we see on our TV screens every night. We
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Speaker 4: have when it comes to security processes. We have five
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Speaker 4: in our intelligence agents.
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Speaker 5: We do not need our once great cities to because
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Speaker 5: hotbeds of terrorism. And on day one of the Trump presidency,
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Speaker 5: I'm restoring the travel band, suspending refugee admissions, and keeping
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Speaker 5: terrorists the hell out of our country like I had
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Speaker 5: it before.
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Speaker 2: If Trump does become president in just under two weeks,
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Speaker 2: there'll be deep disappointment in the senior ranks of the
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Speaker 2: Albanese government. One figure familiar with the Trump camp told
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Speaker 2: me today that Trump will be well briefed on how
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Speaker 2: left wing Albanzi and Penny Wong have been. They said
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Speaker 2: that Trump will have a cursory call with Albinizi, but
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Speaker 2: then he won't bother with him because he's got an election.
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Speaker 2: He'll think that he's probably going to lose, and everyone
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Speaker 2: tells him Dutton is a good guy. In fact, this
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Speaker 2: told me that Albanzi has already made a mistake because
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Speaker 2: he didn't phone Trump after the assassination attempt. Other world
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Speaker 2: leaders like Keir Starmer did. In fact, the only Australian
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Speaker 2: who's spoken to Trump personally in the last year and
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Speaker 2: maybe even more, is Scott Morrison. But it's also not
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Speaker 2: a good starting point that Albanezy appointed Rudd Kevin Rudd
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Speaker 2: as ambassador to the United States, despite the fact he
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Speaker 2: described Trump in the past as nuts, a traitor to
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Speaker 2: the West and guilty of rancid treachery.
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Speaker 6: And Donald as we know, is not.
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Speaker 1: A leading intellectual force.
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Speaker 6: Have you looked at a Trump rally and how many
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Speaker 6: angry white men there are in those rallies.
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Speaker 2: Now it has to be said that Rudd is now
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Speaker 2: working overtime to forge connections in the Republican Party, and
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Speaker 2: I'm told he's making headway. Sure, but what he said
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Speaker 2: can't be unset and that's why he wasn't a wise appointment.
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Speaker 2: His past comments might be forgiven, they won't be forgotten
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Speaker 2: and this isn't going to help australia national interest. And Trump,
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Speaker 2: for one, certainly hasn't forgotten them.
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Speaker 3: I don't know much about him. I heard he was
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Speaker 3: a little bit nasty. I hear he's not the brightest bulb.
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Speaker 3: But I don't know much about him. But if he's
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Speaker 3: at all hostile, he will not.
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Speaker 7: Be there long.
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Speaker 2: One senior figure said to me today that Kevin Rudd
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Speaker 2: has put his head down and he's working hard to
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Speaker 2: rebuild relationships, but they doubt he'll be invited around for
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Speaker 2: margaritas at Marilago. The confidence meanwhile, in the Trump camp
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Speaker 2: is growing. Fourteen days out, Real cleopolling has trumped slightly
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Speaker 2: ahead by one point one percent in the seven battleground
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Speaker 2: states that will decide the outcome of this election, and
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Speaker 2: of course that's Wisconsin, Arizona, Georgia, Michigan, Pennsylvania, North Carolina
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Speaker 2: and Nevada. And nationally, according to Real Clear Politics, Kamala
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Speaker 2: Harris does lead by zero point nine percent. Four years ago,
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Speaker 2: Joe Biden was ahead at this point in the campaign
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Speaker 2: by seven point nine percent. That's a major difference. Kamala
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Speaker 2: Harris has enjoyed a honeymoon period for most of the campaign,
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Speaker 2: and she initially surged ahead of Biden's position, But in
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Speaker 2: recent weeks there've been lingering questions over what she stands for,
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Speaker 2: how she'd be different from the Biden administration, and there
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Speaker 2: are concerns over her ability to deal with media scrutiny.
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Speaker 2: Her performance when under serious questioning from Brett Bayer was disastrous.
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Speaker 2: That was pitiful for a presidential candidate. She's failed to
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Speaker 2: explain whether she's changed her views from the radical positions
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Speaker 2: she took in the past, and this has led to
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Speaker 2: devastatingly effective adverts like this one.
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Speaker 8: Kamala supports taxpayer funded sex changes for prisoners.
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Speaker 1: Surgery for prisoners, for prisoners, every time transgender in me
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Speaker 1: in the prison system would have access.
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Speaker 2: The polls are close, and there'll be a sigh of
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Speaker 2: relief from the Albaneze government if there is a Harris presidency,
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Speaker 2: but most informed commentators are at this point telling me
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Speaker 2: they're expecting a narrow Trump victory. Now to our major
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Speaker 2: exclusive story tonight, the SBS has censored interviews with prominent
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Speaker 2: international figures like Colonel Richard Kemp because they were too
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Speaker 2: supportive of israel I can Tonight reveal that SBS has removed, edited,
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Speaker 2: or refused to run four interviews that presented Israel's side
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Speaker 2: of the story, and the public broadcaster has claimed that
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Speaker 2: they didn't meet their editorial standards. A Jewish SBS journalist
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Speaker 2: I met Rehak, who did these interviews, is now considering
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Speaker 2: legal action. He resigned in August. Now. SBS removed from
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Speaker 2: online an interview that did with distinguished British Commander Richard Kemp,
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Speaker 2: in which he said that Israel was taking care not
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Speaker 2: to kill civilians. Amit also did an interview with a
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Speaker 2: relative of a hostage, but it was never broadcast. Management
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Speaker 2: told him he couldn't broadcast it a relative of a hostage.
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Speaker 2: I also understand that SBS was unhappy with an interview
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Speaker 2: with an anti Semitism activist from Germany, Oriana Mari Gruger.
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Speaker 2: SBS management edited amits interview to remove a section where
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Speaker 2: she gave her opinion on the Israel Gaza war, saying
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Speaker 2: that the state of Israel was being demonized. That was
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Speaker 2: her opinion. In a formal letter, the public broadcaster accused
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Speaker 2: AMT of a breach of policy, claiming that his interviews
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Speaker 2: lacked balance, impartiality and didn't have a wide representation of views. Now,
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Speaker 2: Richard Kemp is a distinguished figure. He led the British
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Speaker 2: Army in Iraq and Afghanistan. Like Israel's allies Australia and
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Speaker 2: the United States, Britain has supported Israel's fight against terror. Now,
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Speaker 2: I had Richard Kemp in my program when I was
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Speaker 2: in Israel, and this is what he said.
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Speaker 6: The leaders in these Western countries understand the threat, they
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Speaker 6: know that Israel's doing the right thing. They're just afraid
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Speaker 6: of a country standing up for itself. They've forgotten how
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Speaker 6: a country needs to stand up for yourself to survive.
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Speaker 2: Is that a man who should be censored, who should
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Speaker 2: have his whole interview removed from online as SBS did.
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Speaker 2: We can presume that Richard Kemp did make similarly support
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Speaker 2: of comments of Israel in his interview with SBS, as
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Speaker 2: is his right and even duty as a high profile
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Speaker 2: commander who has personally fought terrorism. Ffteen minute interview with
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Speaker 2: Kemp did go to air on SBS radio in late May.
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Speaker 2: It was published online, but a few hours later was
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Speaker 2: removed emit later received a formal reprimand from SBS, where
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Speaker 2: his managers accused him of a lack of challenging questions
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Speaker 2: and bias. The letter said the interview lacked impartiality and balance,
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Speaker 2: had leading questions, and that there was a lack of
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Speaker 2: representation of multiple perspectives and insufficient critical follow up. This
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Speaker 2: is extraordinary a journalist respectfully allowing a senior war commander
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Speaker 2: to have his say, and he receives a formal letter
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Speaker 2: accusing him of breach of employment. We've all seen interviews
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Speaker 2: from the ABC and SBS where the journalists don't ask
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Speaker 2: tough questions and they show anti Israel bias. Yet have
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Speaker 2: you ever heard of a formal will reprimand before SBS
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Speaker 2: tonight In a statement to me, they admitted to the censorship.
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Speaker 2: They said the two stories you raise were reviewed and
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Speaker 2: edited or removed as they did not meet our editorial
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Speaker 2: standards of balance and impartiality. They said SBS does not
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Speaker 2: take editorial positions and is committed to accuracy, balance and
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Speaker 2: impartiality in all its coverage, including in relation to the
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Speaker 2: current conflict in Israel. Gaza and Lebanon. Now, both SBS
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Speaker 2: and ABC have published interviews with the likes of Anthony Lowenstein,
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Speaker 2: along with others who are highly critical of Israel, and
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Speaker 2: their views are egregious in my view. They often utter
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Speaker 2: false accusations against the Jewish state. Now SBS has also
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Speaker 2: made separate allegations against Omit, which he strongly denies. Amitt
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Speaker 2: had worked at the broadcaster for twelve years and he'd
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Speaker 2: expect to continue his journalistic career there. He's been distressed,
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Speaker 2: upset and shocked at the censorship and the allegations for
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Speaker 2: three months. Now SBS is not broadcast. It's Hebrew language
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Speaker 2: broadcast for the first time in fifty years. SBS admitted this,
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Speaker 2: and they said to me that it was currently in
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Speaker 2: recess after emits resignation. They said that resuming this service
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Speaker 2: was a high priority. All right, Well, to discuss this,
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Speaker 2: let's bring in now former Victorian Liberal Party president Michael
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Speaker 2: Kroger and former Labor minister Graham Richardson. Welcome to you both.
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Speaker 2: Now I know you're both you're both hearing that story
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Speaker 2: for the first time. They're that exclusive report that SBS
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Speaker 2: has censored interviews, including with world famous British commander Richard Kemp. Michael,
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Speaker 2: what's your reaction to.
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Speaker 9: This well, it's extremely distressing. In the SBS response, show
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Speaker 9: will have to be a lot stronger than the one
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Speaker 9: they gave you tonight. I've met Richard Camp, he's been
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Speaker 9: in Australia. I've seen a film he produced. He's an
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Speaker 9: outstanding commentator. His will record is as you said, well known.
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Speaker 9: It's distressing because SBS, much like the ABC, appears to
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Speaker 9: be wandering into this territory that anything that is seen
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Speaker 9: to be pro Israel or defending Israel is seen to
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Speaker 9: be one sided and not warranting publications. So you've got
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Speaker 9: this extremely subjective view of balance and questioning, etc. I
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Speaker 9: must say I was very unconvinced by their responses, and
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Speaker 9: let's hope in the next few days they can do better, Shari,
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Speaker 9: because on face value, this looks like very strong censorship
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Speaker 9: of a reasonably pro Israel position, which you need for
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Speaker 9: balance on the public broadcasters.
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Speaker 2: I mean, you know, I think we forget that isral
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Speaker 2: is actually Australia's ally and that the terrorists are the enemy. Here.
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Speaker 2: This seems to be forgotten, Richo, because SBS is censoring
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Speaker 2: anyone that's put forward Israel's position. Richard Kemp, the family
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Speaker 2: member of a hostage. How can this be sensitive? And
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Speaker 2: yet they're happy to run the likes of Anthony Lowenstein,
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Speaker 2: who in many interviews accuses Israel are the most egregious
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Speaker 2: war crimes. Graham Richardson.
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Speaker 10: Yeah, I must say I find it a little curious
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Speaker 10: that SBS would be would be going in this direction.
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Speaker 10: There's no need to, there's no evidence, and yet they
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Speaker 10: seem to be increasingly anti Israel. I don't know why,
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Speaker 10: but I'll tell you what. If I was the boss
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Speaker 10: of the SBS, somebody's bummerd get kicked, and I'd say,
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Speaker 10: I don't expect you to be all the way with Israel,
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Speaker 10: but I do expect you to be fair and not
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Speaker 10: be all the way with the PLO. And I just
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Speaker 10: don't think that that mesa is getting across.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I also want to ask both of your views
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Speaker 2: on the other topic I spoke about just then, how
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Speaker 2: nervous the Albanezy government is becoming at the prospect of
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Speaker 2: a Trump presidency. Michael, this would be very difficult for
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Speaker 2: the left wing Albo and Pennywong to deal with.
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Speaker 1: Well, it would be.
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Speaker 9: You know, Trump's obviously made those public comments about Kevin Rudd,
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Speaker 9: and you can be rest assured that people will remind
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Speaker 9: Trump of those remarks if he gets three elected. Despite
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Speaker 9: Kevin scurrying around Washington trying to say no, no, no,
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Speaker 9: I'm actually a good guy. I think he'll either have
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Speaker 9: to be recalled or he'll just you know, have his
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Speaker 9: term shortened by Peter Dutton if Peter Dutt wins. But
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Speaker 9: you clearly can't have someone in Washington who's called Trump
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Speaker 9: crazy in a danger and I mean, you know Trump's
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Speaker 9: not going to put up with that. So obviously it's
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Speaker 9: going to be difficult for Australia if he remains ambassador
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Speaker 9: if Trump is elected.
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Speaker 2: But it's not only about Kevin rud Richo. It's also
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Speaker 2: crucial and fundamental differences on central policy areas, the different
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Speaker 2: positions on China, the different positions on Israel, the different
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Speaker 2: positions on climate change. This will be difficult for the
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Speaker 2: Albanezy government to deal with if Trump does win.
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Speaker 10: Difficult, but not impossible.
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Speaker 7: I think.
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Speaker 10: I can't see how Kevin Rudd can deal with them
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Speaker 10: at all. You know, he's positioned in regards to Trump
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Speaker 10: is simply not capable of being rescued. You know, you
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Speaker 10: can't say what he has said about Trump and then
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Speaker 10: turn around the next day and say, by the way,
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Speaker 10: I think he's a good bloke. No one will accept that.
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Speaker 10: I think that's a real problem. I think you know
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Speaker 10: what's going to happen is that somebody's got to get
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Speaker 10: that big hook and just get him off the stage.
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Speaker 2: Well you are, you are an out and out Kamala
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Speaker 2: har I supporter, Richard. We'll see how only a couple
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Speaker 2: of weeks and then we'll be breaking down the results
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Speaker 2: here on a Wednesday night, because you both are regulars
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Speaker 2: on a Wednesday. Now Lydia Thorpe's hypocrisy is being exposed
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Speaker 2: after she pulled that embarrassing stunt in front of the
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Speaker 2: Royals on Monday. It has now been revealed that she
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Speaker 2: enjoys all the pucks that come with participating in colonial
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Speaker 2: structures like taxpayer funded into state travel. She even has
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Speaker 2: a membership to the exclusive VIP Quantus chairman's lounge along
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Speaker 2: with other politicians. Michael, do you think there is an
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Speaker 2: argument and I've seen others express legal arguments behind it
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Speaker 2: for her to now resign.
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Speaker 9: Well, there's no obligation on her to resign, but look,
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Speaker 9: you know, the practical things is she's stolen that seat
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Speaker 9: from the Greens. You know, she wasn't elected because she
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Speaker 9: was Lydia Thorpe. She was elected because she was a
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Speaker 9: Green number one on the Green's ticket, and that's why
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Speaker 9: she got elected. She stolen the seat from the Greens.
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Speaker 9: She should hand it back. She's complicit in theft. She's
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Speaker 9: taken something from the Greens and she should hand it back.
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Speaker 9: But you know what hypocrisy I mean, you know the
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Speaker 9: colonial structures. I mean, there she is sitting in one
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Speaker 9: of the great parliaments of the world on two hundred
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Speaker 9: and sixty thousand dollars plus souper and other benefits. It's
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Speaker 9: probably a package of three hundred thousand dollars or more
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Speaker 9: when you add in airfares and flights and everything else.
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Speaker 9: I mean, what a hypocrite sitting there on three hundred
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Speaker 9: thousand and complaining, well, you know, there's fifteen or sixteen
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Speaker 9: or eighteen million adult Australians. It's what places with her tomorrow?
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Speaker 9: Shari quite frankly, Yeah.
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Speaker 2: It's an extraordinary salary rich so she clearly just takes
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Speaker 2: it for granted.
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Speaker 10: Yeah she does. I mean, she's just a huge pain
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Speaker 10: in our political bum and the sooner we get rid
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Speaker 10: of the better. I don't think that there's any saving
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Speaker 10: graces with her at all. I can't think of one
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Speaker 10: reason why she should remain in the parliament, particularly if
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Speaker 10: we're so bad, If this is such a terrible nation,
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Speaker 10: why does she want to serve in the parliament.
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Speaker 2: No, it's a very good point. You'd have to think,
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Speaker 2: why did she swear allegiance to the Commonwealth if she
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Speaker 2: feels this way so strongly. But as I've said all week,
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Speaker 2: I strongly think this is Albanesi's fault because he shouldn't
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Speaker 2: have invited her to this prestigious reception. Anyone could have
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Speaker 2: told you that this is how she was going to
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Speaker 2: carry on. There's no opportunity, there's no event where she
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Speaker 2: doesn't stage a protest. So this is on them and
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Speaker 2: it has humiliated the whole country on the international stage. Right,
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Speaker 2: Michael Kroger, Grahem Richardson, thank you both for your time. Now.
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Speaker 2: The Prime Minister is struggling to claw back popularity among voters,
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Speaker 2: with the latest Freshwater Strategy poll revealing that Peter Dutton
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Speaker 2: is closing in on Anthony Alberanzi as preferred prime minister. Meanwhile,
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Speaker 2: the Coalition continues as the favorite and the two party
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Speaker 2: preferred vote, with a clear majority of voters saying that
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Speaker 2: the country is headed in the wrong direction. Well, this
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Speaker 2: is extraordinary, these results. It shows the momentum is in
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Speaker 2: Peter Dutton's favor. To bring it down. Let's bring in
23:10
Speaker 2: now the director of Freshwater Strategy, the polling phone that
23:14
Speaker 2: did those figures, Leo Shanahan and Leo Joones. Me here now, Lea,
23:19
Speaker 2: thank you for your time. Look, what are the key
23:21
Speaker 2: issues that you'll finding are behind this momentum that's giving
23:26
Speaker 2: Peter Dutton the support.
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Speaker 11: Look, it's that key issue of cost and standard of
23:29
Speaker 11: living and we've been seeing that for a long time now.
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Speaker 11: But the government is struggling to make up any ground.
23:36
Speaker 11: It's lost over twenty four points on that very point
23:41
Speaker 11: in the last year and it's living costs. Housing is
23:45
Speaker 11: another one, Housing and cost of housing, managing the economy
23:49
Speaker 11: a third, health and social care, and then crime and
23:53
Speaker 11: social order. But the interesting thing is when you look
23:55
Speaker 11: at those top five issues, the Coalition is winning out
23:59
Speaker 11: of four of them. Now that will drive the vote
24:04
Speaker 11: towards the coalition. So as pulses, you look to not
24:07
Speaker 11: just the pure numbers, but what are the issues? What
24:10
Speaker 11: are those issues driving those numbers, and in this case
24:13
Speaker 11: the cost of standard of living as we've talked about
24:15
Speaker 11: housing accommodation. But it's interesting that crime and social order
24:18
Speaker 11: too is now in that top five list. And we
24:22
Speaker 11: can speak about Queensland, but it's obviously a major issue
24:24
Speaker 11: in that election as well.
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Speaker 2: I mean, so one of the biggest issues affecting voters
24:28
Speaker 2: housing aforidability. We know there's a crisis in Australia at
24:32
Speaker 2: the moment. You would have been in the field when
24:34
Speaker 2: the news broke that Albanezy had bought a four point
24:37
Speaker 2: three million dollar cliff top mansion. How do you think
24:41
Speaker 2: this has impacted his perception among Australians.
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Speaker 11: Look, it's interesting because in the last since our last
24:49
Speaker 11: poll in this month, in the October poll, we did
24:53
Speaker 11: have Peter Dutton coming within one point. As you've said,
24:58
Speaker 11: on preferred Prime minister, it has never happened before. It's
25:01
Speaker 11: forty four to forty three now and that's the closest
25:04
Speaker 11: he's been on preferred Prime minister. The two pp hasn't
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Speaker 11: changed a lot, but the Coalition is still ahead now
25:11
Speaker 11: reflecting in newspoll as well. So the trend is very
25:15
Speaker 11: much in the wrong direction for the government on this
25:18
Speaker 11: issue itself. Look, people, thirty six percent voters say that
25:24
Speaker 11: their perception of him is worse as a result of
25:27
Speaker 11: this decision. A majority fifty two percent say the purchase
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Speaker 11: had no impact on their view of him, and a
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Speaker 11: small percentage or actually quite in favor must be those investors.
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Speaker 11: But look, it should be said on this point. I mean,
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Speaker 11: I don't think it's really fundamentally hurt the government or
25:45
Speaker 11: the Prime Minister personally, because if you break down those.
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Speaker 2: Numbers, well, it has thirty six percent of voters say
25:50
Speaker 2: they have a worse view of him.
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Speaker 11: If you look at those voters, those are voters that
25:55
Speaker 11: already had a negative perception of him, among Green's voters
25:58
Speaker 11: and particularly among a hard line of Coalition photos. So
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Speaker 11: generally speaking, his personal his personal decisions in his investments
26:08
Speaker 11: hasn't really hurt. It's those fundamental issues that is hurting
26:11
Speaker 11: the government.
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Speaker 2: We're seeing the Queensland election on Saturday. The polls had
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Speaker 2: been showing that it would be allow inside win for
26:19
Speaker 2: David CHRISTI. Fully, we're now seeing that Labor appears to
26:23
Speaker 2: be closing the gap somewhat do you think the L
26:26
Speaker 2: and P will still be able to win a majority government?
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Speaker 11: Oh well, look, I think it firstly should be said
26:31
Speaker 11: that it was never going to be easy for David
26:33
Speaker 11: CHRISTI fully. I mean, this is only the third time
26:36
Speaker 11: since nineteen eighty nine. Well, yes, it's only the third
26:38
Speaker 11: time since nineteen eighty nine they'd aim for a majority
26:41
Speaker 11: government and you see the dominance of the Labor Party
26:45
Speaker 11: in queens Now. He needs those twelve seats, he should
26:49
Speaker 11: get them. But the assumption that this is going to
26:52
Speaker 11: be a lay down masaire, I think is a little misguided. Look,
26:56
Speaker 11: I think they'll win, but it won't be as easy
27:00
Speaker 11: as many people think. I think those key issues though,
27:03
Speaker 11: of crime, where David Crysta full in the LMP of
27:07
Speaker 11: campaigned very well and it just shows up its showing
27:11
Speaker 11: up in the numbers now nationally. We saw last night
27:13
Speaker 11: the Sky News debate in Queensland, one of ten of
27:16
Speaker 11: those audience members were affected by crime, and I think
27:19
Speaker 11: that has shown to be the key issue. I think
27:22
Speaker 11: this abortion issue was a bit of a distraction. Labor
27:26
Speaker 11: made some ground on it, but since the Catter parties
27:28
Speaker 11: have effectively seated on that point, I don't think it's
27:32
Speaker 11: really going to be as damaging. So look, I think
27:35
Speaker 11: you'll get David chrystal Fully's premier comes Saturday night. But
27:39
Speaker 11: I don't think it's going to be as easy as
27:40
Speaker 11: many people say. And it's never going to be easy
27:43
Speaker 11: in Queensland because of the way Queensland is structured between
27:46
Speaker 11: the city, the Southeast Queensland, these suburban sprawl in the regions.
27:51
Speaker 2: Yep, all right, Leah Shanahan, really appreciate your time. That
27:53
Speaker 2: was fascinating, Thank you, Thank you. Now still to come
27:57
Speaker 2: the connections behind Labour's Future Made in US Australia policy.
28:00
Speaker 2: This has now been called the Future Mates policy. This
28:04
Speaker 2: is making it more than a gravy train of easy money.
28:07
Speaker 2: Plus alban Easy lectures us about renewables being the cheapest
28:11
Speaker 2: form of energy, but this was contradicted in an astonishing
28:15
Speaker 2: Senate inquiry Today. All of this plus my exclusive interview
28:19
Speaker 2: with the Warfare Expert coming up on the show Welcome
28:27
Speaker 2: Back Well. The minute that the Albanezi government announced its
28:31
Speaker 2: Future Made in Australia policy worth billions of dollars, eyebrows
28:35
Speaker 2: were raised, especially over the eye watering one billion dollar
28:39
Speaker 2: investment into American company sigh quantum to build a quantum computer. Now,
28:46
Speaker 2: As my regular guest on this show, Cameron Milner put
28:49
Speaker 2: it in The Nightly, there's now a stench hanging over
28:53
Speaker 2: Labour's signature policy. He says this is more appropriately known
28:58
Speaker 2: as future made for mates. He argues this because, he says,
29:02
Speaker 2: it's become little more than a gravy train of easy
29:05
Speaker 2: money and taxpayer funds at that he is uncovered in
29:09
Speaker 2: this article he's published in The Nightly a spiderweb of
29:13
Speaker 2: labor aligned connections that PSI Quantum has, including an economics
29:17
Speaker 2: firm Mandala headed by a former Labour staffer, amidst Singh.
29:22
Speaker 2: He also says there's links between Blackbird Ventures and various
29:26
Speaker 2: friends in the labor party. Well, someone else who's been
29:29
Speaker 2: following this very closely is Shadow Minister for Science and
29:33
Speaker 2: the Arts, Paul Fletcher, and he joins me, Now, Paul,
29:37
Speaker 2: thank you so much for your time. What can you
29:39
Speaker 2: tell me, because you've already uncovered some of these labor
29:42
Speaker 2: connections yourself, You've been on the case from the beginning.
29:45
Speaker 2: What can you tell me about some of the labor
29:48
Speaker 2: connections behind this billion dollar grant to this quantum computing
29:52
Speaker 2: company that isn't even based in Australia.
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Speaker 7: You're right.
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Speaker 12: PSI Quantum is based in the US and this extraor
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Speaker 12: her decision was announced in April this year that the
30:03
Speaker 12: Commonwealth and Queensland Labor governments were jointly going to invest
30:07
Speaker 12: almost a billion dollars of taxpayers money. Now, as Cameron
30:10
Speaker 12: Milner has pointed out, and of course as a former
30:12
Speaker 12: Queensland Labor State Secretary he knows the labor culture very well,
30:17
Speaker 12: there's a lot of very well connected former labor staffers
30:21
Speaker 12: involved in providing advice to PI Quantum. So for example,
30:26
Speaker 12: there's a company called Brookline Advisory which was retained by
30:29
Speaker 12: SI Quantum. Lydia Ivanowski is former chief of staff to
30:34
Speaker 12: Richard Miles Jered Richardson as a former advisor to Charmers.
30:37
Speaker 12: As the company you mentioned Mandala, which are economic advisors,
30:41
Speaker 12: they produced a report saying what a great piece of
30:44
Speaker 12: economic policy. This was paid for, of course by SI Quantum.
30:49
Speaker 12: What we also know is that two executives of Blackbird
30:54
Speaker 12: Ventures were appointed by Ed Husick. Two important committees, so
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Speaker 12: the National Quantum Advisory Committee, A lady called Claire Birch,
31:01
Speaker 12: who's a senior executive at Blackbird, and a lady called
31:04
Speaker 12: Kate Glazebrook was appointed to the Industry, Innovation and Science
31:08
Speaker 12: Australia Board in December twenty twenty two. Now, the importance
31:11
Speaker 12: of this is that Blackbird is a major investor in
31:15
Speaker 12: side Quantum. Side Quantum has raised money over for funding rounds,
31:18
Speaker 12: so they've got a lot of investors. No criticism of
31:20
Speaker 12: them for doing that. One of those investors is Blackbird
31:22
Speaker 12: in Australian venture capital business. No problem with being a
31:25
Speaker 12: venture capital business. But the question for taxpayers is in
31:29
Speaker 12: view of the fact that Blackbird is an investor in
31:32
Speaker 12: si Quantum and that once this announcement of a big
31:35
Speaker 12: government investment was made it was going to boost the
31:37
Speaker 12: value of the existing investments. What processes were put in
31:41
Speaker 12: place to manage any conflicts of interest in the decision
31:44
Speaker 12: being made by Minister Hugh Sick and his office.
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Speaker 2: The problem is this is actually a massive story. This
31:51
Speaker 2: is a very big story, pol but it's hard to
31:54
Speaker 2: explain it, I think to people. I think one of
31:56
Speaker 2: the major issues as well that I want to ask
31:58
Speaker 2: you about is the timeline for this. When did Blackbird
32:02
Speaker 2: start getting involved in these discussions compared to other firms.
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Speaker 12: Well, what we know is that psy Quantum approached the
32:10
Speaker 12: Australian government in mid to late twenty twenty two sprooking,
32:14
Speaker 12: making an unsolicited offer for the Australian Government to invest.
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Speaker 12: We know that Minister Husick met with them twice in
32:23
Speaker 12: twenty twenty two, including in December twenty twenty two, and
32:27
Speaker 12: then in January twenty twenty three he visited py Quantum's
32:31
Speaker 12: head office in California. Now this is at the same
32:34
Speaker 12: time that other Australian quantum businesses like Silicon Quantum Computing,
32:40
Speaker 12: Durrak Quantum, Brilliance qu Control, the industry generally was being
32:46
Speaker 12: told there is no money for quantum. You just have
32:49
Speaker 12: to apply through the National Reconstruction Fund like everybody else.
32:53
Speaker 2: Yep.
32:53
Speaker 12: The big question is how did SI Quantum get through
32:57
Speaker 12: the gates so quickly and be in a position where
33:01
Speaker 12: they were meeting with the minister and all of a
33:03
Speaker 12: sudden the government was looking at making this investment and.
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Speaker 2: With billion dollars a billion a billion dollar, we're out
33:10
Speaker 2: of time, but very quickly. You've called for an inquiry
33:12
Speaker 2: from the Order to General Wear's that up to so I've.
33:15
Speaker 12: Written to the Order to General laying out some of
33:17
Speaker 12: these facts. The Order General has written back to saying
33:19
Speaker 12: investigations being considered. So I'll continue to press for that
33:22
Speaker 12: because it's very important. And as Cameron Milner's article points out,
33:26
Speaker 12: there's a web of labor mates here and taxpayers would
33:29
Speaker 12: rightly be very concerned about the basis on which almost
33:32
Speaker 12: of billion dollars their money has been spent.
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Speaker 2: Quite aside from all of this, I personally don't think
33:36
Speaker 2: that tax pay funds should be going into startups like
33:39
Speaker 2: this anyway. There's enough venture capital money out there. Why
33:42
Speaker 2: do we need tax paper.
33:43
Speaker 12: That's right, venture capital budget, Crist' it's a there's a
33:46
Speaker 12: big private sector venture capital sector in Australia. That's good news.
33:49
Speaker 12: Let them get on with making these risky.
33:51
Speaker 2: Investors exactly right, Paul Fletcher, thank you very much, Thank
33:54
Speaker 2: you time. That is a truly big story. Will stay
33:58
Speaker 2: on it now after the break. Is the Albanese government
34:01
Speaker 2: planning to make abortion an issue in the federal election
34:05
Speaker 2: after Labour's scare campaign in Queensland. I'll discuss that with
34:08
Speaker 2: my political panel right after the break. Plus the hypocrisy
34:12
Speaker 2: from mainstream media claiming Israel is targeting journalists and workers.
34:17
Speaker 2: Will an international expert on this subject would join me
34:21
Speaker 2: exclusively on the show. Welcome back Well. Australia's energy regulator
34:29
Speaker 2: told the Senate this afternoon that they couldn't guarantee that
34:33
Speaker 2: Labour's renewable energy policies will bring down power bills. Have
34:37
Speaker 2: a look, okay, but.
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Speaker 8: You're saying you cannot guarantee that the current government policy
34:46
Speaker 8: settings which you model will deliver lower power process.
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Speaker 13: I can't guarantee that, no, And what I would say
34:54
Speaker 13: is we would try to be quite clear about the communication.
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Speaker 13: Our message, which is that the integrated system plan, which
35:05
Speaker 13: considers these things generation, storage and major transmission upgrades, is
35:10
Speaker 13: the lowest cost pathway. It doesn't refer to whether it's
35:14
Speaker 13: cheaper or more expensive for that wholesale component.
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Speaker 2: All right, let's bring in our political panel, Labor and
35:21
Speaker 2: p Daniel Malino and Liberal Senator Holly Hughes. Welcome to
35:25
Speaker 2: you both. Daniel, starting with you, is this an admission
35:28
Speaker 2: from Australia's energy regulator that your government's renewable policies just
35:33
Speaker 2: aren't going to lower the cost?
35:38
Speaker 14: Oh, hi, Charien, thanks for having me on.
35:40
Speaker 3: Now.
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Speaker 14: Look, I don't think so I think understandably the energy
35:43
Speaker 14: regulator doesn't want to be giving guarantees in relation to
35:48
Speaker 14: energy when there are so many moving parts. But for me,
35:51
Speaker 14: the key thing about his testimony, and this backed up
35:53
Speaker 14: positions that they've taken and others have taken on a
35:56
Speaker 14: number of occasions, is that a strong push towards knewables
36:00
Speaker 14: firmed by gas is the least cost pathway going forward.
36:04
Speaker 14: That's the real choice Australian's face. And it's a better
36:07
Speaker 14: way forward. It's a more reliable way forward and a
36:10
Speaker 14: cheaper way forward than trying to build a nuclear industry
36:14
Speaker 14: from scratch. The latter path won't deliver us any energy
36:18
Speaker 14: for fifteen to twenty years and it's going to be
36:20
Speaker 14: incredibly expensive. So what Australians really want is the least
36:23
Speaker 14: cost path going forward, and that's what he confirmed, although.
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Speaker 2: He did say he couldn't guarantee it would mean any
36:30
Speaker 2: reduction in power bills. Holly, what do you have to
36:33
Speaker 2: say with what to what Daniel just said there that
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Speaker 2: this is still the least cost pathway moving forward, cheaper
36:39
Speaker 2: than going down a nuclear energy model.
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Speaker 15: Well, it's still based on the provisions around the eighty
36:45
Speaker 15: two percent missions reduction net zero by twenty fifty. So
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Speaker 15: they're doing modeling within the framework and policy positions that
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Speaker 15: the government's putting forward.
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Speaker 2: The government hasn't.
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Speaker 15: I would hesitate a guess given them the scope to say,
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Speaker 15: what's the cost if we put more coal fire power
37:03
Speaker 15: stations in? What's the cost if we did go down
37:06
Speaker 15: a nuclear pathway? And I think it's a fallacy that
37:08
Speaker 15: it's fifteen to twenty years away, particularly when this government
37:12
Speaker 15: is still obsessed with hydrogen which every time we turn around,
37:15
Speaker 15: another project's being canceled or funding being.
37:18
Speaker 2: Removed from Australians.
37:19
Speaker 15: No, this is an absolute pipe drain being pushed by
37:23
Speaker 15: Chris Bowen that is just going to cost them more money.
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Speaker 15: The government during the election campaign put a figure of
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Speaker 15: two hundred and seventy five dollars reduction by twenty twenty five.
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Speaker 15: That is just around the corner. And Australians don't really
37:38
Speaker 15: understand what the wholesale cost is. They don't understand the
37:40
Speaker 15: cost of generation or transmission. What they understand is what
37:43
Speaker 15: their power bills are. And what they know is their
37:46
Speaker 15: power bills are continuing to go up and that is
37:49
Speaker 15: in start contrast to what the Labor government promised.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and it doesn't look like the two hundred and
37:53
Speaker 2: seventy five dollars.
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Speaker 15: They're all saying it's doubled in price from the so
37:58
Speaker 15: called reduction we will get.
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Speaker 2: Now, we've seen that the issue of abortion has become
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Speaker 2: a scare campaign or distraction if you like, depending on
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Speaker 2: which way you look at it during the Queensland state
38:09
Speaker 2: election campaign. Well, senior female Liberals Jane Hume and Susan
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Speaker 2: Lay are now saying that they don't want abortion laws
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Speaker 2: to be a feature at the upcoming federal election. Have
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Speaker 2: a look.
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Speaker 16: What I can assure you and assure your viewers and
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Speaker 16: assure all voters is that a Dutton led coalition government
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Speaker 16: has no plans, no policy, and no interest in unwinding
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Speaker 16: women's reproductive rights.
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Speaker 17: We have no intention to change the settings from a
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Speaker 17: federal health perspective. Obviously, individuals have their own views and
38:47
Speaker 17: Jainer is entitled as a member of the National Party
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Speaker 17: to her own view.
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Speaker 2: And as you heard Susan Lay, they're just referred to
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Speaker 2: Jacinda Jacenterprice, who had told the City Morning Herald that
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Speaker 2: she did want abortion on the nation agenda. Daniel, do
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Speaker 2: you think this was in the Queensland state election campaign
39:05
Speaker 2: a scare campaign because David Chris Fooley said the laws
39:08
Speaker 2: were never going to change.
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Speaker 14: Look, Sharry, I haven't been following every single in and
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Speaker 14: out of the Queensland state election. My understanding is that
39:19
Speaker 14: this came up in the Queensland state election because one
39:23
Speaker 14: or more backbenches in the opposition indicated that they wanted
39:27
Speaker 14: to put it on the agenda, and then that put
39:29
Speaker 14: that question back to the leader of the opposition. So
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Speaker 14: I don't think it was so much a scare campaign
39:34
Speaker 14: as an issue raised by some backbenches in the opposition.
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Speaker 14: But look, I don't think this is going to be
39:40
Speaker 14: an issue at the next federal election. I think the
39:42
Speaker 14: next federal election is going to be fought on cost
39:45
Speaker 14: of living. It's going to be fought on who people
39:47
Speaker 14: trust more to give them tax cuts that give them
39:50
Speaker 14: real benefits, and on energy. So I don't think this
39:53
Speaker 14: is going to feature at a federal level. It's a
39:55
Speaker 14: state issue.
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Speaker 2: What do you think, Holly, do you have the confidence
39:58
Speaker 2: that Dania has that Labor I won't try and have
40:01
Speaker 2: a scare campaign on this issue because it has worked
40:03
Speaker 2: in the United States, it worked in Queensland and.
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Speaker 18: Look, I was on one of your colleague shows last
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Speaker 18: night and said I cannot believe the americanization of politics
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Speaker 18: in them trying to grasp onto this issue and Labor
40:13
Speaker 18: have made it a scare tactic in the Queensland election.
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Speaker 2: I hope Daniel's right.
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Speaker 15: I hope the federal election campaign is fought on cost
40:20
Speaker 15: of living, is caught on who's going to bring your
40:22
Speaker 15: energy prices down? And is around who's going to best
40:26
Speaker 15: serve Australians in the tax system, because I can tell
40:29
Speaker 15: you it's not this Albanezi Labor government and Australians you know,
40:32
Speaker 15: we know they're number one, two, three, four and five
40:35
Speaker 15: top issues a cost of living. I don't think you're
40:38
Speaker 15: going to see these issues come up as certainly vote changes.
40:42
Speaker 2: Yeah, it'll definitely be interesting. All right, Daniel Melino, Holly Hughes,
40:45
Speaker 2: thank you both very much for your time. Now still
40:49
Speaker 2: to come. We've seen accusations from Media Watch and Sky
40:52
Speaker 2: News UK that Israel is targeting journalists and aid workers deliberately.
40:58
Speaker 2: Well just how true these claims? My exclusive interview with
41:02
Speaker 2: the world renowned expert on modern warfare after this quick
41:06
Speaker 2: break welcome back, Well, Anti Israel media outlets like the
41:14
Speaker 2: ABC and Sky News UK are accusing Israel of serious
41:19
Speaker 2: war crimes like deliberately killing journalists and aid workers, emergency workers,
41:27
Speaker 2: of Civil defense workers, Red crossworkers, all telling us that they.
41:30
Speaker 17: Feel they are now the targets of Israeli strike.
41:34
Speaker 8: To the war in the Middle East. And yet more
41:36
Speaker 8: did journalists, the latest being Hassan Hamad. Hassan was killed
41:40
Speaker 8: by an Israeli airstrike in Gaza, but there has been
41:43
Speaker 8: little or nothing in the mainstream media, which is remarkable.
41:47
Speaker 8: Are we now so hardened to journalists being targeted.
41:51
Speaker 2: And this reporting is just going unchallenged. Now. I've extensively
41:55
Speaker 2: spoken on this show about the lengths that Israel goes
41:58
Speaker 2: to to avoid civilian casualties, but to find out the
42:03
Speaker 2: objective truth, I spoke with the internationally renowned Chair of
42:07
Speaker 2: Urban Warfare Studies at the Modern War Institute, John Spencer.
42:12
Speaker 2: In mainstream media outlets, Israel has been accused of deliberately
42:16
Speaker 2: targeting both aid workers in Lebanon and journalists in Gaza.
42:21
Speaker 2: Have you seen any evidence of this?
42:23
Speaker 7: Absolutely not, and that's just to me, a continuation of
42:26
Speaker 7: the disinformation about all the operations.
42:29
Speaker 1: The fact that the United States has said many times.
42:31
Speaker 7: Is there is not one bit of evidence to show
42:34
Speaker 7: that Israel has targeted civilians period, journalists, aid workers. There
42:40
Speaker 7: has been accidents, but the fact that Israel has done
42:43
Speaker 7: more to prevent and to safeguard civilians and those on
42:48
Speaker 7: the battlefield. But this is war, Israel is being attacked,
42:51
Speaker 7: Israel is conducting massive operations. I don't think people understand
42:55
Speaker 7: the scale. Even in the North, where Israel has now
42:58
Speaker 7: deployed five divisions. Israel doesn't have five divisions, it has
43:02
Speaker 7: two divisions, So those are Israelis.
43:05
Speaker 1: Who are trying to get in.
43:07
Speaker 7: The North has blood to stop raining rockets down on Israel.
43:11
Speaker 7: And then you have Gaza where Hamas is still launching rockets.
43:15
Speaker 7: So I think that's just more of the disinformation. Everything
43:18
Speaker 7: from the fact that there is no genocide, there is
43:21
Speaker 7: no targeting of civilians. There's actually the opposites, like weird counterfactuals.
43:26
Speaker 1: When Israel sends hundreds of trucks in daily.
43:30
Speaker 7: Does these evacuations, then gets accused of doing something wrong
43:35
Speaker 7: when it's like this tiny nation under attack from all
43:40
Speaker 7: these different directions, who is actually doing everything anybody's ever
43:45
Speaker 7: tried in war to permit civilian harm to get them
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Speaker 7: out of harm's way.
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Speaker 1: But this is war.
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Speaker 2: You were in Gaza, I believe earlier this year. What
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Speaker 2: about the figure of forty thousand civilians killed in Gaza?
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Speaker 2: Is that figure, as far as you are concerned, is
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Speaker 2: it accurate? And how do you compare the civilian casualties
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Speaker 2: in Gaza with other wars?
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Speaker 7: Sure, and I've been to Gaza three times since October seventh.
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Speaker 7: I was last year in July. I can tell you
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Speaker 7: that the now Hamas Gaza Health Ministry number of forty
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Speaker 7: two thousand killed in Gaza is a lie. It's just
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Speaker 7: not true. There's no way you could know the number.
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Speaker 7: But that number itself isn't those that have been killed.
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Speaker 7: That's anybody who has died since October seventh. It includes
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Speaker 7: anybody who died of natural causes, anybody who died by
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Speaker 7: Hamas's hand, who murdered to include just this week, people
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Speaker 7: trying to flee when they get the notices. It includes
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Speaker 7: anybody who's missing they just don't know the name. It
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Speaker 7: includes people that died years ago. I can tell you
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Speaker 7: from being on the ground that that number is a
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Speaker 7: lie and that Israel is actually the civilian to combatant
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Speaker 7: ratio if we knew the number. Although in Gaza there's
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Speaker 7: some type of magic system that can tell you how
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Speaker 7: many civilians died. It can't tell you how many combatants die,
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Speaker 7: but they'll tell you how many civilians died within hours.
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Speaker 7: That's never happened in war and it never will, but
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Speaker 7: they'll tell you within hours. And then mass media runs
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Speaker 7: with it like thirty killed, five hundred killed.
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Speaker 1: But that number is it's a lie. It's not true.
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Speaker 7: Israel's civilian to combatant ratio is actually lower because they say,
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Speaker 7: and I believe them more than I believe Alamas.
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Speaker 1: But even if I take both numbers.
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Speaker 7: Israel's actually killed like twenty to twenty two thousand Hamas
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Speaker 7: and then the rest are what.
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Speaker 1: Is believed to be civilians.
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Speaker 7: But there actually is no way to tell that, and
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Speaker 7: when you have this reporting system that's just full of lives.
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Speaker 2: In terms of the international community accusing Israel of breaching
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Speaker 2: international law, in your view, has Israel been guilty of
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Speaker 2: war crimes?
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Speaker 7: Absolutely not, And I've written that from every angle, every accusation,
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Speaker 7: from the fact that Israel has not been discriminated, It
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Speaker 7: has been very it has not been indiscriminate, has been
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Speaker 7: very discriminated, and who it targets the enemy, only the enemy.
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Speaker 1: It has not been excessive in the use of force.
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Speaker 7: It has not been you're overwhelming, as in not what
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Speaker 7: the law of war says in my analysis to include
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Speaker 7: being on the ground and going with the actual units
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Speaker 7: on the ground. They're following the law of war, following
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Speaker 7: rules of engagement that are very stringent against the complexity
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Speaker 7: of this enemy in underground cities that nobody else is
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Speaker 7: also faced in war. No Israel is following, is going
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Speaker 7: beyond the legal requirements and is following their moral ethical way.
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Speaker 7: Militaries fight and doing everything to prevent some light arms.
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Speaker 7: So all of the starvation not true, all of it.
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Speaker 1: It's all a farce of lies.
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Speaker 2: John, what's your comment on the United Nations, both from
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Speaker 2: the positions expressed from its senior leadership but also that
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Speaker 2: pro har Mass resolution that was put forward that had
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Speaker 2: majority support in the United Nations General Assembly. Do you
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Speaker 2: think the UN has become an enabler for terrorism?
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Speaker 7: Absolutely, we didn't get here, and I think that's what
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Speaker 7: we're seeing, especially in Northern Israel, where the United Nations
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Speaker 7: Security Council resolution seventeen oh one and the mandate of
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Speaker 7: UNIFIL of over eighteen thousand United Nations forces that we
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Speaker 7: members of the United Nations paid for, who have completely
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Speaker 7: allowed the entire area to be combat areas for HESBLA,
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Speaker 7: massive bunkers and stockpiles.
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Speaker 1: The UN is failing.
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Speaker 7: This has been the greatest test of the United Nations
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Speaker 7: since the end of World War Two, and it's failing
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Speaker 7: with the Islamic regime in Iran, with all these proxies,
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Speaker 7: with the way it determines what the law war was,
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Speaker 7: how it's been co opted by humanitarian rights groups, how.
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Speaker 1: It has become just a political.
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Speaker 7: Theater, basically problematic when this is the organization that's to
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Speaker 7: prevent war and it has guided us to the situation
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Speaker 7: where we are now and we need leadership.
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Speaker 2: The United States is sending a fad battery missile defense
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Speaker 2: system to Israel, yet at the same time it's issued
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Speaker 2: a letter threatening to withhold weapons if the situation doesn't
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Speaker 2: improve in Gaza. What message do these conflicting messages send
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Speaker 2: to Iran?
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Speaker 7: I mean, I think so for Iran, I mean I
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Speaker 7: think it's we are in an election season. War is politics.
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Speaker 7: I think that's a huge sign of the strong relationship
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Speaker 7: and the iron plaid agreements, and that I'm proud of
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Speaker 7: as an American that the United States will defend Israel,
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Speaker 7: especially from attacks from another nation state like Iran.
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Speaker 1: So the sending of this very advanced air defense.
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Speaker 7: System that will integrate with other defense systems, there is
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Speaker 7: a very big signed to Iran to not continue to
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Speaker 7: itack Israel and the iron clad relationship because that comes
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Speaker 7: with American soldiers part of that air defense system. It's
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Speaker 7: not the first time it's happened, but it's a huge
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Speaker 7: step and I think opposed to this letter, which is
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Speaker 7: you need to do more about humanitarian aid, it's a
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Speaker 7: giant sign of the actual iron cloud relationship between the
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Speaker 7: United States and Israel, as Israel is fighting a seven
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Speaker 7: front war which includes drones, missiles, ballistic missiles from.
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Speaker 1: Seven different directions.
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Speaker 2: To be honest, John Spencer, thank you very much for
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Speaker 2: your time. And that was my interview with John Spencer earlier.
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Speaker 2: He is so impressive. Now, two quick things before I go. Firstly,
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Speaker 2: a shout out to my colleague Chris Kenny. He did
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Speaker 2: a sensational interview earlier today on a Legras Spender and
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Speaker 2: the teals. Make sure you check it out online. Also,
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Speaker 2: if you miss my exclusive from the start of the
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Speaker 2: show about SBS censoring pro Israel, that'll be up on
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Speaker 2: the Sky News website soon. I've written an article Otherwise,
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Speaker 2: that's it from me. I'll see you tomorrow at eight o'clock.
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Speaker 2: And right now, here's Paul Mara