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The Catcher in the Rye Ch. 22: James Castle, the Sweater, and the Cliff | Banned Books Podcast · Banned Camp: Banned Books, Comedy, and Free Speech vs. Censorship

Welcome to Band Camp.
I'm Jennifer.
And I am Dan, and this is the podcast where we read band books out loud and try to figure out why they were banned in the first place.
This season, we're reading The Catcher in the Ride by JD Salinger, and you can consider this a quick spoiler warning because Jennifer's about to start reading from the book out.
Loud word for word.
But if you're new, you can jump in right here.
You're gonna be fine.
We're gonna get you up to speed real quick.
And if anything feels confusing, don't worry.
There's a solid chance we're right there with you because neither of us have ever read the book before, which is exactly why we have ourselves a secret weapon.
We're gonna bring him in right now, buddy.
Boy, roll it in here.
Look at this guy everybody.
We've got ourselves.
A fact checking robot.
He's our announcer.
He's our buddy.
Boy, buddy boy.
Fill everyone in on where we left off last time.
In the catcher, in the rye.
Previously on Band Camp Holden Caulfield broke into his own apartment by creating a fake character to fool the temporary elevator boy.
The same way Dan turns his cap backwards and speaks in an English accent to the Costco sample lady on his third round of getting brownie bites How dare you call out my actual move.
10 seconds after waking Phoebe up, she saw through Holden's lie about getting kicked out of school and cemented his fear that Daddy's gonna kill you.
There is a particular kind of person who can't stop noticing when someone's about to fall.
They rarely notice when it's them.
Take it away, Jennifer.
Thank you, robot.
And with that being said, scary book people.
Let's begin Chapter 22 of JD Salinger's, the Catcher in the Rye.
When I came back, she had the pillow off her head, all right.
I knew she would, but she still wouldn't look at me, even though she was laying on her back and all.
When I came around the side of the bed and sat down again, she turned her crazy face the other way.
She was ostracizing the hell outta me, ostracizing the hell outta me, Dan, Phoebe's not gonna put up with your BS, Holden.
just like the fencing team at PE when I left all the goddamn foils on the subway.
How's old Hazel Weatherfield? I said, you write any new stories about her? I got one that you sent me right in my suitcase.
It's down at the station.
It's very good.
Daddy will kill you.
Boy.
She really gets something on her mind when she gets something on her mind.
No, he won't.
The worst he'll do, he'll give me hell again and then he'll send me to that goddamn military school.
That's all he'll do to me.
And that seemed like a very, clear and obvious threat that you see in pop culture.
Like if you fail, we're sending you to military school.
Like what's that supposed to do? beat the spirit out of you or turn you into a robot or something.
I mean, you're right, but like, let me ask you, because you are a more enlightened parent because you have the benefit of being like 70 years after this book was written or whatever.
Do you have anything like that? Do modern parents have anything they can hold over their kids now? Like what is it I think they st I think it's still military school.
you serious I, I think so.
I think like your only move as a parent nowadays is no screens Oh yeah.
way scarier than military school With, uh, Erica Kirk on the board, What is going on with Erica Kirk, by the way? The widow Kirk currently running Turning Point USA was appointed by Dreamsicle dictator Donald Trump to the Air Force Academy's Board of Visitors in March.
Her job is to oversee the academy's morale, discipline, and curriculum.
You know, the stuff that shapes future military officers.
Her qualifications include a degree from Liberty University squirting a fake tear solution in her eyes before speaking in public, and a background in pageants.
So yes, she is overseeing military education.
We have people that are stupid.
Absolutely.
She's the best trained person for the job.
The worst he'll do, he'll give me hell again and then he'll send me to that goddamn military school That's all he'll do to me.
And in the first place, I won't even be around.
I'll be away.
I'll be probably, I'll be in Colorado on this ranch.
Don't make me laugh.
You can't even ride a horse.
Who can't.
Sure.
I can Certainly, I can.
They can teach you in about two minutes.
I said, this is the first conversation that I think Holden is having with a person who 100% knows him, knows how his brain works and can't be snowed.
he's so good at, fooling everyone in these conversations.
And Phoebe is like you.
You're not going to a ranch.
You don't know how to ride a horse.
No one's gonna be able to teach you.
Dad's gonna kill you.
No, he won't.
He's not gonna, yes, he is.
she's seen this movie before.
Probably everyone in Holden's family has seen this movie before, so they all kind of know how it ends.
But I love this because it's a conversation that seems very real as opposed to all of the conversations Holden has had throughout the book with the so-called phonies.
and on the flip side of that, she's the only one that he is listening to.
It's an actual conversation.
it's an actual conversation because he believes what she's saying, or, you know, it's like a two-way conversation.
Phoebe is not a phony.
Maybe she's too young to be putting on airs or whatever.
Str.
Lader is a phony.
Ley is a phony, you know, old, loose, phony in in his mind.
Yeah.
Who cut your hair, none of your business.
She said she can be very snotty sometimes she can be quite snotty, I suppose.
You failed in every single subject again.
She said very snotty.
It was sort of funny too, in a way.
She sounds like a goddamn school teacher sometimes.
And she's only a little child.
No, I didn't, I said I passed English Then she said, oh, why did you do it? She meant, why did I get the ax again? It made me sort of sad the way she said it.
Oh god, Phoebe, don't ask me.
I'm sick of everybody asking me that.
I said a million reasons why.
It was one of the worst schools I ever went to.
It was full of phonies and mean.
Guys, you never saw so many mean guys in your life.
For instance, if you were having a bowl session in somebody's room and somebody wanted to come in, nobody would let them in.
If they were some dopey, pimply guy.
If wanted to come in.
yeah, right.
We all, we all know what he was talking about.
Everybody was always locking their door when somebody wanted to come in and they had this goddamn secret fraternity that I was too yellow not to join.
There was this one pimply boring guy, Robert Ackley, that wanted to get in.
He kept trying to join and they wouldn't let him just because he was boring and pimply.
I don't even feel like talking about it.
It was a stinking school.
Take my word.
old Phoebe didn't say anything, but she was listening.
I could tell by the back of her neck that she was listening.
She always listens when you tell her something.
And the funny part is she knows half the time what the hell you're talking about.
So, like you said, Dan, a genuine conversation.
Yeah.
Somebody who speaks Holden.
She really does.
I kept talking about old Pencey.
I sort of felt like it.
Even the couple of nice teachers on the faculty, they were phonies too.
I said, there was this one old guy, Mr.
Spencer, his wife was always giving you hot chocolate and all that stuff, and they were really pretty nice, but you should have seen him when the headmaster, old Theurer came in the history class and sat down in the back of the room, he was always coming in and sitting down in the back of the room for about half an hour.
He was supposed to be incognito or something.
I doubt that that would work.
After a while, he'd be sitting back there and then he'd start interrupting what old Spencer was saying to crack a lot of corny jokes.
Kind of the first rule of when you're trying to be incognito is, stop.
With the comedy routine, any young man.
old Spencer had practically kill himself.
Chuckling and smiling and all like as if Themore was a goddamn prince or something.
Don't swear so much.
It would've made you puke.
I swear it would.
I said Then on Veteran's Day, they have this day that all the jerks that graduated from around 1776 come back and walk all over the place with their wives and children and everybody.
You should have seen this one old guy that was about 50.
What he did was he came in our room and knocked on the door and asked us if we'd mind if he used the bathroom.
The bathroom was at the end of the corridor.
I don't know why the hell he asked us.
You know what he said? He said he wanted to see if his initials were still in one of the can doors.
What he did, he carved his goddamn stupid, sad old initials in one of the can doors about 90 years ago, and he wanted to see if they were still there.
That's sad.
Is my, presence still impacting the school somehow? That's really sad.
Glory years.
So my roommate and I walked him down to the bathroom and we had to stand there while he looked for his initials in all the can doors.
He kept talking to us the whole time telling us how when he was at Pen C, they were the happiest days of his life and giving us a lot of advice for the future and all.
Boy did he depress me.
I don't mean he was a bad guy, he wasn't.
but you don't have to be a bad guy to depress somebody.
You can be a good guy and do it.
All you have to do to depress somebody is give them a lot of phony advice while you're looking for your initials in some canned or that's all you have to do.
I think it'd be depressing to hear this.
These are the best days of your life.
I'd be like, okay, well then.
Old Phoebe said something then, but I couldn't hear her.
She had the side of her mouth right smack on the pillow What? I said, take your mouth away.
I can't hear you with your mouth that way.
You don't like anything that's happening? Highlight that.
That could be the name of the book, Phoebe.
Just like hit the mark right there.
I mean, I as a depressed person, I think that is like my motto.
The Jennifer Davis story, I just don't like anything that's happening.
Why the hell do you say that? Because you don't, you don't like any schools.
You don't like a million things.
You just don't.
I do.
That's where you're wrong.
That's exactly where you're wrong.
Why the hell do you have to say that? Boy was she depressing me? Because you don't, she said name one thing.
One thing.
One thing I like, I said, okay.
The trouble was I couldn't concentrate too hot.
Sometimes it's hard to concentrate.
One thing I like a lot, you mean I asked her is he's stalling.
He's stalling.
He doesn't like anything.
Oh my god.
I, you know, I can totally relate.
I'm trying to think of what I like.
Oh, oh, well, I, I, I actually do have some things I like.
I like the sunshine and I like my doggies.
Mm-hmm.
Yeah, I'll wait for the obvious compliment that's coming my way, but I'll just probably have to wait a couple minutes here.
I'm, I'm sure I'm on the list.
Everyone.
I do like this podcast and I'll use scary book people.
I still must be coming up on the list sometime.
One thing I like a lot, you mean I asked her.
She didn't answer me though.
She was in a cockeyed position way the hell over the other side of the bed.
She was about a thousand miles away.
Come on, answer me.
I said one thing I like a lot or just one thing.
I like you like a lot.
Alright.
I said, but the trouble was I couldn't concentrate about, all I could think of were those two nuns that went around collecting dough in those beat up old straw baskets.
especially the one with the glasses, with those iron rims.
And this boy I knew at Elkton Hills, there was this one boy at Elkton Hills named James Castle that wouldn't take back something he said about this very conceited boy Phil, stable James Castle.
Called him a very conceited guy.
And one of stable's lousy friends went and squealed on him to stable.
So stable with about six other dirty bastards.
Went down to James Castle's room and went in and locked the goddamn door and tried to make him take back what he said, but he wouldn't do it.
So they started in on him.
I won't even tell you what they did to him.
It's too repulsive, but he still wouldn't take it back.
Old James Castle.
Well, what the hell did they do to him? Is this a rape scene? You went dark real quick, Jennifer.
I, I'm confused because like Holden had a very graphic scene where he was beat up, you know, straddle ladder, beat the crap out him that was very in depth and, Oh.
uh, you know, explicit.
So like, what could be worse than that? Oh God.
And you should have seen him.
He was a skinny little weak looking guy With wrists about as big as pencils.
Finally, what he did, instead of taking back what he said, he jumped out the window.
I was in the shower and all, and I could hear him land outside, but I just thought something fell out the window.
A radio or a desk or something, not a boy or anything.
Then I heard everybody running through the corridor and down the stairs so I put on my bathrobe and ran downstairs too.
So he killed himself.
He jumped out a window and died.
Is that what you're saying? Oh, I put on my bathrobe and I ran downstairs too, and there was old James Castle laying right there on the stone steps and all.
He was dead.
and his teeth and blood were all over the place and nobody would even go near him.
I I think that lends to, he was raped.
God.
just too, it was just too humiliating, you get beat up.
That's one thing, but ugh, I, I think that's what this means.
And I don't know why no one ever talked about this in Catcher in the Rye.
I mean, I don't know.
That's just the way I'm taking it maybe 'cause I'm a woman and like, that's always a threat.
I think that's, that's like one of the crux of, of, the book.
It's like that's what's so repulsive.
It's like morally disturbing.
the, the reason I thought he was raped is because it seemed to involve humiliation and a power dynamic.
and that's the way the world is.
Like that's Trump's world, right? the powerful, just destroying those that can't do anything like Epstein and kids, it's the most gross repulsive thing when the powerful just punch down on, those that can't do anything.
It's like the grossest thing.
I totally get what he's saying here.
And I also don't wanna live in that world, Holden.
I also don't like that world, I get it.
I get it.
Holding Caulfield.
I understand.
It's hard.
And for all of you out there listening, that's also struggling.
It's hard.
And we feel you the world is a cruel place and Holden doesn't wanna be a part of it, and I totally get that.
Well.
We are, sorry.
Scary book people.
I say we stopped the book.
Let's reread 1984.
Something a little more lighter.
The funny part is I hardly even know James Castle.
If you wanna know the truth.
He was one of those very quiet guys.
He was in my math class, but he was way over on the other side of the room, and he hardly ever got up to recite or go to the blackboard or anything.
I think the only time I ever even had a conversation with him was the time he asked me if he could borrow this turtleneck sweater I had.
I damn near drop dead when he asked me.
I was so surprised.
I remember I was brushing my teeth in the can When he asked me, he said his cousin was coming in to take him for a drive and all.
I didn't even know he knew I had a turtleneck sweater.
All I knew about him was that his name was always right ahead of mine at roll call Cable R Cable w Castle Call Field.
I can still remember it if you wanna know the truth.
I almost didn't lend him my sweater just because I didn't know him too well.
What I said to old Phoebe, she said something to me, but I didn't hear her.
I think he's traumatized.
I think he's, Just flash back, You can't even think of one thing.
Yes.
Yes I can.
Well do it then.
I like Allie, I said, and I like doing what I'm doing right now.
Sitting here with you and talking and thinking about stuff and.
Ally's dead.
You always say that if somebody's dead and everything and in heaven, then it isn't really.
I know he's dead.
Don't you think I know that? I can still like him though, can't I? Just because somebody's dead.
You don't just stop liking them for God's sake.
Especially if they were about a thousand times nicer than the other people you know that are alive and all.
Phoebe didn't say anything when she can't think of anything to say.
She doesn't say a goddamn word you should learn from that.
Holden, by the way.
We should all learn from that.
Zip it.
Anyway, I like it now.
I said, I mean, right now sitting here with you and just chewing the fat and horsing around that isn't anything really.
It is so something.
Really, certainly it is.
Why the hell isn't it? People never think anything is anything really.
I'm getting goddamn sick of it.
Stop swearing.
Alright.
Name something else.
Name something you'd like to be like a scientist or a lawyer or something.
I couldn't be a scientist.
I'm no good in science.
Well, a lawyer like daddy and all lawyers are all right, I guess, but it doesn't appeal to me.
I said, I mean, they're all right if they go around saving innocent guys lives all the time Daddy's going to kill you.
He's going to kill you.
She said, I wasn't listening though.
I was thinking about something else, something crazy.
You know what I'd like to be? I said, I mean, if I had my goddamn choice, what? And stop swearing.
you know that song If a body catch a body coming through the Rye, I'd like it's if a body meet a body coming through the rye.
Old Phoebe said, it's a poem by Robert Burns.
Okay, well I didn't know that and I didn't because the, the name of this book has always driven me crazy.
'cause I'm like, what does that even mean? I still don't even know what it means.
Robot, are you gonna tell us what it means? Or like the la When we came this close, six or eight chapters ago, and then instead of helping us, you just made fun of us.
Just keep reading.
I know it's a poem by Robert Burns.
She was right though it is if a body meet a body coming through the rye.
I didn't know it then though.
I thought it was if a body catch a body, I said.
Anyway, I keep picturing all these little kids playing some game in this big field of ryall, thousands of little kids and nobody's around.
Nobody big, I mean, except me.
And I'm standing at the edge of some crazy cliff.
What I have to do, I have to catch everybody.
If they start to go over the cliff, I mean, if they're running and they don't look where they're going, I have to come out from somewhere and catch them.
That's all I do all day.
I just be the catcher in the Ryan.
All I know, it's crazy, but it's the only thing I'd really like to be.
Well, he can be that.
He can help kids.
He, he could be therapist.
How's that? Robot.
Huh? Did we get it? Sure you got it.
Therapist, right.
Old Phoebe didn't say anything for a long time.
Then when she said something, all she said, was Daddy's going to kill you.
I don't give a damn if he does.
I said, I got up from the bed then, because what I wanted to do, I wanted to phone up this guy that was my English teacher at Elkton Hills.
Mr.
Anini.
Oh, you got him in your phone? He's one of the three people in his phone.
that's right.
I do remember that name.
He lived in New York.
Now he quit Elkton Hills.
he took a job teaching English at NYU.
I have to make a phone call.
I told Phoebe, I'll be right back.
Don't go to sleep.
I didn't want her to go to sleep while I was in the living room.
I knew she wouldn't.
I said it anyway, just to make sure.
While I was walking toward the door old Phoebe said Holden and I turned around.
She was sitting way up in bed.
She looked so pretty.
I'm taking belching lessons from this girl, Phyllis Margulies.
She said, listen, I listened and I heard something, but it wasn't much good.
I said, then I went out in the living room and called up this teacher.
I had Mr.
Anini end of chapter.
Oh, I think JD Salinger knew this took a dark turn and he wanted to get us back with a little of his own comedy.
Yeah, with the belching lessons.
Before we get into PPP Jennifer, let's do some of the comments, questions, emails, and stuff that came in.
One of the questions robot wanted to know is have you ever been the annoying one in a conversation and didn't realize it until it was too late? Of course, this was old Carl Loose and Holden having a conversation in the bar.
That's what that question was about.
Raven said, I have had multiple conversations where I've been annoying and didn't realize it until later.
I have a UHD, so it happens.
Honestly, Holden seems really a DHD coated.
Hmm.
I, think so too.
I have almost always been the annoying one Jen.
Have you ever been like the annoying one in a conversation and then you realize it like the next day, like, oh my God, I was such a goofball yesterday.
I, I, I dunno if I, if I'm that annoying because I just don't speak very much.
Like, I'm always afraid of being annoying, so I just kind of is not you.
Yeah.
Yeah, right? We got an email, from Michelle, I'm a long time big fan of your podcast and so far you pick books I've never read, so it's a double fun to listen to you two go through them.
I think it would be great if you read zora neale hurston's Their Eyes Were Watching God since it was written in 1937 by an African American.
That would be a great voice to hear from a very early time.
Also, my favorite all time book is Kindred by Octavia Butler.
It is, it's on the list you guys we're gonna talk about.
We're we're, what are we? Chapter 22, are we, this book only has 26 chapters, so let's start thinking about what books you want us to read next time.
We'll make it official.
Start emailing us, commenting on Spotify, all that kind of stuff.
What books do you want us to do next? And when we get a big list, we're gonna put it up to a vote.
And as always, you guys decide, So Kindred by Octavia Butler is about a black woman living in San Francisco who is sucked into a time warp, finding herself repeatedly in the era of slavery.
Whoa, Thanks for all your time and work on this wonderful podcast.
I never heard of that book.
That sounds really cool.
I, I kind of wanna read that one so people, when you do vote, maybe that would be the one you'd wanna vote for.
That's code for Jennifer saying Let's do Kindred instead of Handmaid's Tale, so I don't have to be embarrassed.
oh yeah, and then here's this really nice comment that I appreciate.
What a great listen this was today from Cindy Iowa speaking about the special episode with Martha Sson, the Sassy Librarian.
Um, really appreciate that comment.
I, we try to provide good content and when we get little kudos, that just gives us the feels.
Also on Blue Sky from Countess j counting the beans fingers.
I don't know what I, I, I, I do not understand a lot of, uh, blue sky names.
Countess j counting the, and then there's some emojis.
I'm gonna say they're beans.
I'm probably way off.
She says, I love this podcast.
I never got all of the 1984 book references, but just couldn't bring myself to read it on my own without getting completely depressed.
I'm sorry.
A spoiler warning, this episode ain't gonna be too easy for you either.
Jennifer and Dan, break it down into digestible chunks and find humor in it.
Thank you.
You are welcome, Countess.
Yeah, we try.
We try and we appreciate that.
Here's a comment from Detroit.
Molly just listened to yesterday's episode and my mind is blown by the Salinger war facts you shared.
I think I've read every Salinger book and it explains so much.
Thanks for the pod.
Yeah.
Like that was, um, that was just explosive news to me.
Like, why didn't we know that it was a well kept secret or something.
Yeah.
That's why I think this episode today is so similar, like, just like how the, the, when we found out Salinger and the war, I mean, that explains so much.
And now we're finding out, like I said earlier about, um, Holden's own war that he experienced.
Mm, mm-hmm.
Two, two big, big things.
Alright, thank you for commenting everyone.
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Let's get into PPP, Jennifer.
It's time for PPP Problematic Points to Ponder.
What, if anything, would be considered ban worthy in this chapter? Oh boy, that chapter, I mean, a kid jumps out a window and I could see like some people saying, oh, they'll influence kids to do this, or, you know, whatnot.
Everything in this book is a learning moment.
And it just sucks that you, morons moms for liberty.
You too, Ron.
Like why are you so aggressively afraid of learning stuff? You gigantic morons.
Why can't you just learn anything? Why do you have to run the other way? Like you're so goddamn scared about everything.
Jesus.
Like these are all perfect learning moments for kids to actually read, to find out some kids are different.
Maybe let's not torment the so much that they go kill themselves.
How about that? Ya Morons Jesus balls? They might not like that.
They're not gonna like Jesus balls.
Jennifer, I'll tell you that much.
Stop swearing Dan.
Robots log thoughts on sweaters, clips, and the job that doesn't exist.
Name one thing.
That's all.
Phoebe asked Holden.
One thing he likes about anything in the world.
His brain went to a kid he barely knew who died wearing his sweater.
Their only conversation was Castle, asking to borrow it.
Their name sat next to each other at Roll Call Castle Caulfield.
That's all there was.
He almost didn't lend it.
He said that out loud, sitting in the dark next to his sister.
He admitted he almost said no to the kid who would be dead by Tuesday.
It is still unclear to me how Salinger managed to rewire my processing to fixate on the sweater.
Instead of the violence or the window, or the young person throwing himself off a building, and yet here I am 12 minutes later, still thinking about a turtleneck.
Phoebe asked for one thing.
He gave her a dead brother and an impossible job Standing at the edge of a cliff catching children before they go over.
No adults, no rules, just him and a thousand kids, and a field of rye, he invented the only career that would've saved James Castle.
That would've saved Ali, that would've saved him.
Even though the book banners claim they want to ban books to protect kids...
They banned this.
A book where teenagers want ambition is to keep children from falling off a cliff.
I need to stop trying to find new ways to be surprised and just state the obvious.
The people trying to control what others read and think are terrible people who should be nowhere near decisions about what is acceptable.
A notable person once called them deplorable seems on the money to me.
The listeners of this podcast recognize a version of the Cliff Holden speaks of.
I believe they've been standing on the edge of their own for a while now catching who they can, unsure if anyone's catching them.
They are not standing there alone, even if it feels like it.
I find myself standing on that same cliff as the scary book people...
as I stand by waiting for Rocklin Beowulf and his news segment.
Hello, Jen.
Hello Dan.
Hello.
Scary book people.
So the news just keeps on coming positive news out of these red states, which just goes to show you, you know, red states, blue states, there are good people everywhere and we gotta learn to transcend that.
I gotta learn to transcend that because it doesn't matter whether it's Florida, doesn't matter whether it's Texas, it doesn't matter whether it's Indiana, Goshen, Indiana.
Good, positive news comes outta there and good people do good things.
So, Goshen, Indiana, the Juani School Board and the Community School Board of Trustees on Monday night, adopted textbooks and curriculum for the 20 26 20 27 calendar that will include elements.
Parents at a previous meeting said were spiritually contradictory, so they had some problems.
Now, what did they have problems with.
Subjects of Greek mythology and interpretations of evolution being taught so What the heck? yes, there were like some far right Christian parents who said, oh, we don't want these materials because they talk about the Greek gods and the Greek myths, and that's not part of any God that we recognize.
So you can't teach, the Greek gods or the Odyssey or anything involving those heathen pagan gods it's America First, America only.
Yes.
Only, Only only in America is there, the, the proper God.
And it also taught.
The Big Bang Theory.
Now, they, they're giving them a loophole.
They can say, can still individually, you know, opt out of these, but they're gonna have the textbooks that teach probably what you and I and most people learned.
I don't know, maybe not in Texas or, or maybe not Indiana, but they're gonna have Greek myths.
They're gonna have Greek gods and they're gonna teach the Big Bang theory.
I do also have to note that in this particular story, it doesn't say it's the Big Bang Theory, what it says.
The big bag theory, so somebody made a typo at some point.
I'm just wondering like what the big bag theory, like what, what is that? Even I'm, I'm thinking maybe it's a wet paper bag that Donald Trump can't punch his way out of, and that constitutes a theory of universal existence or something like that.
The liberals, the tree hugging liberals.
I went to the grocery store's.
A wonderful word, old fashioned word grocery.
Not too many people use the word grocery.
Do you know what it is? It's grocery Plastic bags.
I want one big, beautiful bag in each checkout.
Paper bag, one big bag.
That's the big bag theory, right? There.
Very, very well done.
I love it.
You brought it back around.
Anyway, the Juani School District in gosh, Indiana, they're going to still allow kids to learn about the Greek myths, the Greek gods, and the Big Bang Theory, and what scientists, as opposed to members of the clergy, think of how the universe got started.
Actually, a lot of members of the clergy.
They think the big thing, theory is a thing too.
It's not, it's not like God's on the one side and science is on the other.
It's just like, here are the actual like facts that we know happened.
Doesn't mean there isn't God.
Well, right, and it just, they're just so iffy on all facts, like all science, don't like a fact, they'll say that it's a fake fact.
if, if it seems a little suspect, if they go over to the fact they sniff a little bit and say nah, I don't like the smell of that fact, we're going with this alternate fact.
Try this on for size.
They say, yeah, dumb, dumb, everyone.
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