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Infamous: Courtney Robertson · The Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous Podcast

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Speaker 1: Ben Higgins, and Ashley I bring you Infamous. Sometimes roses
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Speaker 1: are red flags. Hey everyone, welcome back to the almost
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Speaker 1: of this podcast. Today is another episode of Infamous and
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Speaker 1: we're doing this. This is maybe the most infamous person
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Speaker 1: that's ever been on the show, Courtney Robertson. Courtney, it's
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Speaker 1: you and me today. We're gonna have a little girl
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Speaker 1: chat about your skinny dipping, about you possibly cheating on Ben,
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Speaker 1: all the tabloid covers that you were on. We are
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Speaker 1: so excited to have you on to the long time
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Speaker 1: Almost Famous listeners. Courtney, as you guys know, has been
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Speaker 1: on the show like I feel like once a year
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Speaker 1: or so. So of course we have covered some of
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Speaker 1: this before, but we wanted to get even deeper on
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Speaker 1: the past with you.
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Speaker 2: Wow, I love it. We're hot out the gate. Love
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Speaker 2: skinny Dipping, Still skinny Dip to this day. I always
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Speaker 2: love to join you. I think Ben's off gallivanting or.
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Speaker 1: He's like just getting back from Italy's amazing that he
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Speaker 1: had his break I had my break up before him.
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Speaker 1: So yeah, coot, let's go all the way back to
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Speaker 1: twenty eleven. Were you a fan of the show before
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Speaker 1: you auditioned you know.
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Speaker 2: I wasn't a major Bachelor fan, but I watched loosely
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Speaker 2: like I saw like I saw Ben's finale, and that's
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Speaker 2: when the night that I signed up because obviously Ashley
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Speaker 2: didn't pick him and I had been dating in LA
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Speaker 2: and I was like, oh, this guy's cute, he's a
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Speaker 2: wine maker, he's ready to get married. And but I
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Speaker 2: had seen a little bit of like Ali Fedotowski season,
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Speaker 2: but just loosely watched. I wasn't like a you know, super.
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Speaker 1: Fan, okay, and then how did you audition?
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Speaker 2: So that night I applied the night of Ben and
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Speaker 2: Ashley Aberts finale. I had just gone through a recent
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Speaker 2: breakup and my sister was a massive fan, like she
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Speaker 2: did viewing parties. So I went online. I submitted like
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Speaker 2: a couple modeling photos. They wanted like a video, and
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Speaker 2: I was like, you know, I had some wine, I
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Speaker 2: was going or a breakup, and I was like, let's
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Speaker 2: just see. I almost like forgot that. I applied and
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Speaker 2: they called me, like I want to say, like two
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Speaker 2: days later. And I lived in Santa Monica at the time.
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Speaker 2: Their offices NCK was like right down the street, so
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Speaker 2: they're like, can you come in. I was like, whoa,
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Speaker 2: this is like happening quick.
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Speaker 1: Okay, So then did you just get to be a
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Speaker 1: shoe in? Would they meet you? And they're They're like,
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Speaker 1: you're in.
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Speaker 2: Pretty much yeah, But I was like very hesitant. I
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Speaker 2: was like, wow, this is like I just thought it
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Speaker 2: would be like fun to do apply online. And my
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Speaker 2: whole thing was, you know, it could have been Ben
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Speaker 2: or the other guy I think his name was Ryan,
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Speaker 2: the solar energy guy. And I was like very particular,
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Speaker 2: like I'm signing up to meet Ben, which I don't
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Speaker 2: think a lot of people know, and they couldn't really
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Speaker 2: tell me if it was him. I think he was
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Speaker 2: in talks or whatnot. But I actually backed out and
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Speaker 2: it was I had signed the contracts, I had done
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Speaker 2: all the psychic val all that stuff. I was like,
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Speaker 2: this is why, like I don't know if I want
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Speaker 2: to go through with this. And I backed out. And
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Speaker 2: then they called me the next day and they said,
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Speaker 2: we just want to let you know. We're not telling
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Speaker 2: a lot of people this, but it is going to
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Speaker 2: be Ben, okay.
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Speaker 1: And then then you were like all right, I'm back
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Speaker 1: on pretty much.
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Speaker 2: They said just go meet him night one. We think
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Speaker 2: you two are really going to hit it off? If
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Speaker 2: you don't, you can leave Night one like, no harm,
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Speaker 2: no foul. Little did I know? You can't just leave?
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Speaker 2: It's not it's not And I didn't want to because
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Speaker 2: once I met him, I was like, Oh, he's he
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Speaker 2: We really had like a spark.
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Speaker 1: Did you guys the forest in Prison Rows?
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Speaker 2: No, Lindsay Cox did.
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Speaker 1: She was the runner up.
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Speaker 2: I hate to say that.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a weird term for this show.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, she came riding in on the horse. I mean
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Speaker 2: who of course he gave her the first impression Rose,
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Speaker 2: but she was also really great.
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Speaker 1: First, you had hesitance. Why why were you so hesitant?
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Speaker 2: You know, I didn't watch a ton of reality TV,
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Speaker 2: and you know I had dated a variety of actors
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Speaker 2: and I had a long term relief the.
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Speaker 1: Drink, which you document in your book.
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Speaker 2: Jesse Metcalf and you we're on and off for a
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Speaker 2: long time.
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Speaker 1: You had a type dark hair, olive skin, light eyes.
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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, dark hair, light eyes. I think Ben was
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Speaker 2: the first brown eyed guy I'd ever dated. Actually, fun fact,
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Speaker 2: but I actually hung out with Adrian before I left
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Speaker 2: for filming, and like, I was just kind of single
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Speaker 2: and I had seen Jesse again, but he was still
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Speaker 2: kind of pulling his same shenanigans, and I called him
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Speaker 2: to tell him I was doing the show. He was
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Speaker 2: not happy, but I just was like, what I'm doing
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Speaker 2: isn't working. Like I was twenty turning twenty eight, I
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Speaker 2: was starting to really think about wanting a family, and
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Speaker 2: I just thought, why not, let's mix it up. I
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Speaker 2: was having the best modeling career year of my life,
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Speaker 2: and I had a anyway, I won't bore you with
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Speaker 2: those details, but I just wanted to try something new,
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Speaker 2: and little did I know that it would completely change.
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Speaker 2: Like the trajectory of my life.
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Speaker 1: With Jesse Metcalf, where you see it reason enough that
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Speaker 1: you had to tell him? Or is it just kind
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Speaker 1: of a courtesy?
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Speaker 2: No? Not serious?
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Speaker 1: Yeah at all?
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Speaker 2: I meant no, no at point. I mean, he took
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Speaker 2: me to the Emmys. We had been on and off
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Speaker 2: for years, Okay, you know he Yeah, as far as
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Speaker 2: far as that goes, I was more of a courtesy
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Speaker 2: because he was in the public eye and I knew
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Speaker 2: that there were pictures of us online and when you
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Speaker 2: do those questionnaires they make you write your ex's names down.
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Speaker 2: I specifically left him out like I don't want you know,
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Speaker 2: but when I called him to tell him I was
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Speaker 2: doing it, Like we had hung out a few times
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Speaker 2: in the in the recent months, and he's like, Courtney,
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Speaker 2: don't do it. Can I come over? This guy's gonna
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Speaker 2: pick you.
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Speaker 1: And yeah, he didn't want you to do it because
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Speaker 1: he didn't want you to get picked and then he
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Speaker 1: would have had like to deal with the emotion of it.
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Speaker 2: Maybe, I mean, but I was so sick of like
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Speaker 2: we had been hanging out and then like at the time,
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Speaker 2: I think it was TMZ or I forget the news site,
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Speaker 2: Like we had hung out and like things were going
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Speaker 2: really well, he showed up at my gym. I lived
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Speaker 2: in San Monica. He was in Beverly Hills and he's like, ah,
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Speaker 2: like I've been hoping to run into you. I'm like,
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Speaker 2: you're literally at my gym like he had just gone
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Speaker 2: like was going through a breakup. Like I mean, like
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Speaker 2: there was like some connection there that we did for
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Speaker 2: a long time. And and then like two days later,
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Speaker 2: he's on DMZ like making out with some girl in
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Speaker 2: Venice Beach and I was like, that's it, Like I
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Speaker 2: can't get jerked around by this guy. Anymore. Yeah, So
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Speaker 2: I was like, this guy looks normal, he's a wine maker.
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Speaker 2: I love wine. Hey, why not, like, let's try something new?
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Speaker 2: And you know we did. I mean we were together
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Speaker 2: for a year, we really hit it off. But I
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Speaker 2: I'm glad I did it. I think that's the question
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Speaker 2: I get asked the most is like, do you regret
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Speaker 2: doing the show after we broke up? And I didn't
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Speaker 2: anticipate how bad the backlash would be and even just
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Speaker 2: the skinny dipping and being slush At the time, I
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Speaker 2: definitely regretted it. I was like, man, like I lost
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Speaker 2: my privacy. But now at forty two, I'm so glad
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Speaker 2: I did it. I'm married with three kids, life is
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Speaker 2: pretty normal.
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Speaker 1: So you come across to me and always have as
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Speaker 1: not always have on the show, but in person as
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Speaker 1: a girl's girl, you're very easy to talk to. You're
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Speaker 1: just like truly sweet, and on the show you couldn't be.
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Speaker 1: You couldn't have been further from as far as what
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Speaker 1: we saw on TV. What was going on, just like
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Speaker 1: starting at week one with you and the other women,
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Speaker 1: was their tension? Did you think that you had villainous behavior?
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Speaker 1: Paint a picture of how it was wall filming versus
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Speaker 1: how it was when you watched it back.
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Speaker 2: So night one was wild. It's like you're filming till
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Speaker 2: four am. I'm like, let me just get there, let
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Speaker 2: me see if I like him. I asked production if
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Speaker 2: I could be the first or last out at the
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Speaker 2: because I knew in casting that that's important. You don't
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Speaker 2: want to get lost in the shuffle. So I was
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Speaker 2: the last out of the limo. They when they aired it,
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Speaker 2: it didn't play like that.
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Speaker 1: They didn't.
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Speaker 2: They just kind of threw me in the middle. So
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Speaker 2: I got into the house a little bit later and
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Speaker 2: I walk in and I like, look at everybody's sitting there.
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Speaker 2: And I come in and I instantly like felt like
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Speaker 2: I could kind of read the room just from just
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Speaker 2: who I am. But I remember talking to specifically one girl,
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Speaker 2: Casey B who was at the end, who was the
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Speaker 2: one that famously came back in Switzerland, and was like, right,
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Speaker 2: you know, they always at that point in time, they
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Speaker 2: used to do that a lot. And I just was
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Speaker 2: like trying to make conversation with people, and you have
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Speaker 2: producers like grabbing you, like, oh, there's playing soccer out front,
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Speaker 2: like go do this, And I was just like trying
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Speaker 2: to wrap my brain around it. Hydrate up, eat, you know,
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Speaker 2: just stay calm in the setting. And I talked to
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Speaker 2: her and I said, so, what do you do for work?
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Speaker 2: And She's like, I'm not gonna tell you that. Like
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Speaker 2: she actually like there were girls that wouldn't even talk
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Speaker 2: to me, and so I just like, I'm like first
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Speaker 2: impressions and a couple of people rubbed me the wrong way.
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Speaker 2: I instantly bonded with Casey Steamer. We are still best
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Speaker 2: friends to this day. She tried to stick up for
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Speaker 2: me at the Women Tell All, but it just it
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Speaker 2: happened very quickly, and I kind of know where it turned.
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Speaker 2: We didn't stay in the mansion. We went to Sonoma,
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Speaker 2: and it happened because I got the second one on
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Speaker 2: one date. And once I got that one on one date,
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Speaker 2: it just everything shifted in the house and I heard
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Speaker 2: them talking about me. Producers were telling me they were
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Speaker 2: talking badly about me. Uh And something that wasn't shown
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Speaker 2: is Lindsay Cox and I like we actually really got
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Speaker 2: along really well. And there was a moment where it
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Speaker 2: was like late at night and I was tired and
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Speaker 2: I kind of like snipped at her and I woke
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Speaker 2: up in the morning and I pulled her aside and
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Speaker 2: I was like, I'm so sorry, Like I was exhausted
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Speaker 2: last night. So there was just I don't know if
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Speaker 2: I'm answering this properly, but are It was like it
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Speaker 2: was just a lot to navigate, and especially when people
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Speaker 2: off camera, like I didn't like the way they treated
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Speaker 2: producers but a lawn and who you know. Obviously he
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Speaker 2: always said like, your personality doesn't really translate on this show. Okay,
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Speaker 2: So I don't know. I do know that I was sassy.
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Speaker 2: I went into it like, Okay, now I really like him,
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Speaker 2: and now there's twenty girls here and I have to
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Speaker 2: just kind of like go through this.
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Speaker 1: So when you were shooting, did you know you're gonna
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Speaker 1: be the villain? Pretty much?
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Speaker 2: Not at all?
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Speaker 1: Oh really, even though Alann would have said stuff like
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Speaker 1: that and the girls were talking about you, that.
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Speaker 2: Was more towards the end, and that's when I started
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Speaker 2: catching on, like, oh my gosh, there's a narrative here,
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Speaker 2: like I might have said winning once after like this thing.
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Speaker 1: Because your big thing was that, like you kind of
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Speaker 1: took Charlie Sheen's at the time of the time.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, skinny diipping and I was like on a
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Speaker 2: high and it felt so good and yeah, but yeah, no,
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Speaker 2: it just it was an awkward thing to go through
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Speaker 2: and there were times where I almost left for sure.
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Speaker 2: I was like, I don't know if this is worth it.
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Speaker 2: When they had Sean Tell show up, I was like,
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Speaker 2: this is crazy, Like what did I get myself into?
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Speaker 2: But I watched the first episode. I had a viewing party.
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Speaker 2: I had friends over and they showed my like package,
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Speaker 2: my intro, and that was the first time that I thought,
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Speaker 2: oh boy, I'm in trouble. It looks like they're going
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Speaker 2: to make me the villain.
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Speaker 1: This is like a little bit of an outdated type
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Speaker 1: of comment. I suppose. Obviously you get cast on the Bachelor.
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Speaker 1: Everybody's pretty. You were model pretty. You were like a
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Speaker 1: model that was working. Do you think that you carried yourself?
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Speaker 1: First off, I mean there could have there. I was
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Speaker 1: assuming there was a lot of feelings of being threatened
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Speaker 1: just because you're so stunning. And secondly, you probably carred
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Speaker 1: yourself with confidence, just like knowing that you have a look,
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Speaker 1: you know.
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Speaker 2: I I mean the girls would say things to me like, oh,
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Speaker 2: she's a model. They called me the model and this
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Speaker 2: and that I kind of wish because I did have
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Speaker 2: my real estate license at the time. I didn't lead
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Speaker 2: with that because it didn't do me any favors whatsoever.
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Speaker 2: But and that's why I was like trying to talk
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Speaker 2: to people, like what do you do? Connect and like
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Speaker 2: that's how you connect with people, and people weren't trying
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Speaker 2: to get to know me, and I was just like, Okay, well,
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Speaker 2: this is just a weird environment. Like I'm going to
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Speaker 2: deal with that. But I went into it, like you know,
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Speaker 2: I've been on sets I've been modeling.
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Speaker 1: For since I was suitable environment.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, Like my producer that I worked with was always laughing,
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Speaker 2: like I had like my makeup bag on the side,
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Speaker 2: like you know, like I was constantly touching myself up
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Speaker 2: because you're filming constantly. And I don't know if you
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Speaker 2: ever experienced that, Ashley, but you know you could, like
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Speaker 2: some people look pretty bad at them in the night
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Speaker 2: because I have a little.
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Speaker 1: Like modeling little vag too, you know, and because they
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Speaker 1: don't let you carry around behind the plant. Yeah exactly.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, but yeah, I definitely think I had the confidence,
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Speaker 2: especially more so back then, because I really felt like
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Speaker 2: I had nothing to lose. Like I was like, I
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Speaker 2: can just go back to life and let's see if
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Speaker 2: this works out. But I've always been pretty competitive and
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Speaker 2: always my mom was always like be a leader, not
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Speaker 2: a follower. And as soon as the girls started like
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Speaker 2: saying things to me, whether it be on or off camera,
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Speaker 2: I really kind of tried to stick up for myself,
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Speaker 2: and then I realized that wasn't working. It was just
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Speaker 2: it was just a mess.
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Speaker 1: Let's talk about the skinny dipping. When did that happen?
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Speaker 1: Was at mid season?
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Speaker 2: Oh, the skinny dipping happened in Puerto Rico. That was
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Speaker 2: probably about mid season. It was the second to last
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Speaker 2: location before overnights. Okay, I'm sorry hometowns. And he knew
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Speaker 2: that was going to happen. I think that that's the
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Speaker 2: common misconception is he acts so surprised when.
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Speaker 1: Because they were like, she might want to do something
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Speaker 1: fun with you in the water. He knew.
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Speaker 2: We talked about it the night before and the way
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Speaker 2: it aired and like that was like the promo on
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Speaker 2: Good Morning America, and but we had talked about it
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Speaker 2: at the end of a group date the night before
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Speaker 2: in Puerto Rico, but nobody knew until that aired. The
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Speaker 2: girls didn't know. Like I made it very clear that like,
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Speaker 2: if I was going to do that, I didn't want
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Speaker 2: the girls to know because that would have just made
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Speaker 2: it so much worse for me. So I stole a
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Speaker 2: little bit of time and out there he told me like,
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Speaker 2: it's you. Yeah, it's you know. We didn't have mics on.
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Speaker 1: The best place to say anything on the show is
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Speaker 1: out in the ocean because they can't boom you.
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Speaker 2: And they were like, come on in. They kept trying
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Speaker 2: to get us, and We're like, we're not coming in.
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Speaker 2: You know. It was like probably the most fun I
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Speaker 2: had on the show. Looking back, I probably would probably
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Speaker 2: would do it again, but I didn't realize in the
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Speaker 2: moment that it would be so controversial.
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Speaker 1: Did you guys have sex out there?
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Speaker 2: It was like a little bit of this, a little
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Speaker 2: bit of that.
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Speaker 1: That's what I thought of it.
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Speaker 2: The waves were pretty there was a little bit of
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Speaker 2: a lot of waves going on, and but yeah, I
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Speaker 2: mean I got to, you know, kind of.
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Speaker 1: Her the car. Yeah yeah, okay, When so you knew
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Speaker 1: that it was gonna be you, then, how did that
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Speaker 1: make you feel the entire rest of the season.
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Speaker 2: Confident?
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Speaker 1: Yeah? So probably even more villainous.
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Speaker 2: And also so the drama on my season was this
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Speaker 2: girl Emily, who went to him like location three and
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Speaker 2: was like, she's not the same as you. She just
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Speaker 2: she They held her right where we were talking, and
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Speaker 2: so I could see why she was triggered that night.
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Speaker 2: Maybe she had a little booze. We were kissing and
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Speaker 2: we were talking, and so they had her like waiting
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Speaker 2: to talk to him next, and so I think that's
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Speaker 2: what set her off. And then she went and talked
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Speaker 2: to him, and she's like, we don't we don't think
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Speaker 2: she spoke for the everybody. I guess, like, we don't
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Speaker 2: think that she's the same way around you as she is.
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Speaker 1: That's right, that narrative.
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Speaker 2: So that was like the where the everything shifted and
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Speaker 2: she was trying to rally everybody and people were like
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Speaker 2: we like her. It was like who do we? And
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Speaker 2: then before the week of the skinny dipping, she had
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Speaker 2: done it again, Like he kept saying like, hey, just
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Speaker 2: knock it off, like let me deal with that, and
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Speaker 2: she kept going to him and like every time she
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Speaker 2: like got time with him, she would talk badly about me,
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Speaker 2: which I think is so bad on any reality show
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Speaker 2: when you're trying to connect with the lead. Yeah, and
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Speaker 2: out there. I just said, I just want you to
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Speaker 2: know I don't know what she's saying, but I can't
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Speaker 2: stand her and she has been pretty nasty to me
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Speaker 2: and I want her gone.
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Speaker 1: That's awesome. That was you. That was that was you
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Speaker 1: to him?
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: What was your relationship with production because you made a
18:34
Speaker 1: comment about what Alan told you. You said that you
18:36
Speaker 1: didn't like it when girls would treat them badly. How
18:40
Speaker 1: did you What was your relationship with.
18:44
Speaker 2: I left and I had a couple producers that I
18:48
Speaker 2: had it out with where I felt like tricked and
18:50
Speaker 2: I said, like I can't work with that person. Like
18:53
Speaker 2: specifically in Panama, they said Ben's waiting for you in
18:56
Speaker 2: the pool. Go get you have to get your swimsuit
18:59
Speaker 2: on it. This girl and I go and I get
19:02
Speaker 2: in the pool and I'm like, I'm literally walking behind
19:04
Speaker 2: him having one on time with Jamie Otis, who is
19:08
Speaker 2: now married at first sight, but I was like, tricks.
19:12
Speaker 1: Was that the kiss moment with them?
19:14
Speaker 2: It was that night they began to.
19:16
Speaker 1: Kiss moment because she said like you don't kiss well
19:18
Speaker 1: or something like that, which is so funny.
19:20
Speaker 2: Yeah, and she like ripped, well, I have had her on.
19:23
Speaker 2: She's like, I didn't rip my dress, but the dress
19:25
Speaker 2: but they put that in. But little things like that
19:28
Speaker 2: where I was just like, ah, we just don't jive,
19:30
Speaker 2: or you know, they're trying to get me to say
19:31
Speaker 2: winning again or this and that. But I had really
19:34
Speaker 2: good relationships with like I don't know if you want
19:36
Speaker 2: me to say names, but like Bennett alone, Pete's Scletar,
19:41
Speaker 2: it was a different.
19:42
Speaker 1: The good ones. The good ones so like you would
19:45
Speaker 1: have fun with them in the interview room. Yes, I
19:48
Speaker 1: so much of your quote villainous behavior was in the
19:52
Speaker 1: interview room because you were probably just like having a
19:55
Speaker 1: good time. This is why I also.
19:57
Speaker 2: Hated doing the itms they constantly were pulling. I mean
20:00
Speaker 2: I would say, what do you want me to say?
20:01
Speaker 2: I got to the point where it's like question torture,
20:04
Speaker 2: Like you're asking me the same question three different ways,
20:07
Speaker 2: like what do you want me to say? And I'll
20:09
Speaker 2: just put it in my own words?
20:12
Speaker 1: Interesting, Okay, Yeah, But.
20:14
Speaker 2: I mean I'm still good friends. Like I just was
20:16
Speaker 2: reaching out to a lawn recently. I'm actually getting ready
20:20
Speaker 2: to go film another show and I was picking his
20:23
Speaker 2: brain about it. But I trust him, I really do we.
20:26
Speaker 2: I mean we lived across the street from each other
20:28
Speaker 2: for a couple of years and had a really deep bond.
20:32
Speaker 2: But after the show, I had that like what most
20:36
Speaker 2: contestants have where it's like it's airing and you're like,
20:39
Speaker 2: this isn't how I thought it would be betrayed, And
20:42
Speaker 2: I think for me it's different because I was engaged
20:46
Speaker 2: to him and people saw that we had a real
20:48
Speaker 2: connection and it was affecting our relationship while it was
20:52
Speaker 2: airing out in real time. Alan was a huge help
20:55
Speaker 2: trying to talk to Ben, trying to be like, hey,
20:58
Speaker 2: like you know her, but like it goes more to
21:02
Speaker 2: the editing.
21:03
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, So what would you well, I want to
21:06
Speaker 1: talk about You're engagement first. So you wore this amazing
21:09
Speaker 1: black dress with the long black gloves, Ashley, would you
21:13
Speaker 1: call that amazing? See? Actually I would call that amazing
21:17
Speaker 1: because it because it was so much different than normal.
21:20
Speaker 1: Do you think that they were trying to play into
21:22
Speaker 1: your villainous character.
21:24
Speaker 2: I think they dressed me like Corella de Ville.
21:26
Speaker 1: Okay, that's what I mean, but like, also, you looked
21:29
Speaker 1: so freaking bomb.
21:31
Speaker 2: I was like, more, it was freezing in Switzerland where
21:33
Speaker 2: we were staying in Sarmott, but they helicoptered me in
21:37
Speaker 2: on top of like so you know, the matta horn
21:40
Speaker 2: was in the background. But it was like actually hot
21:42
Speaker 2: that day. But that's why I had these black leather
21:46
Speaker 2: gloves on that just went upstairs and they had put
21:49
Speaker 2: me in this like white cape. And had I known,
21:53
Speaker 2: I even went to Carrie Fetman the Silas and I
21:56
Speaker 2: was like.
21:56
Speaker 1: Who only picks out your last dress? Yeah.
22:00
Speaker 2: I walked into the room. I know. I went first
22:02
Speaker 2: and there were like four dresses on a bed and
22:05
Speaker 2: I walked in. I go, Lindsay's gonna pick that one.
22:07
Speaker 2: It was navy blue, like poofy or something. I was like,
22:11
Speaker 2: that was the best one for me, the black one
22:14
Speaker 2: out of all. But I was like, is this it? Like?
22:17
Speaker 2: Had I known, I would have probably packed, But I
22:20
Speaker 2: didn't know. I thought I might leave night one and
22:23
Speaker 2: he's like, I'm like, can you go to Paris and dress?
22:28
Speaker 1: And the answer no, oh no, I don't know for
22:35
Speaker 1: the girl they know they're winning. I'm not sure how
22:38
Speaker 1: far they go for outfits. So obviously that was kind
22:42
Speaker 1: of your outfit because it went along with your darker character.
22:47
Speaker 2: Yeah, they were dressing me like and I've since heard
22:50
Speaker 2: and no offensive like Alan or whoever, that they were
22:53
Speaker 2: like feeding like this black widow and you know this
22:57
Speaker 2: that narrative to the other girls. And you know, so
23:00
Speaker 2: they would tell me what the other girls were saying
23:02
Speaker 2: about me too, and that's something that I don't think
23:04
Speaker 2: a lot of people know as well as it was
23:06
Speaker 2: just a pressure cooker. So but you know, I did
23:11
Speaker 2: ask for a gold ring, and in overnights he did
23:15
Speaker 2: say to me like I'm madly in love with you.
23:17
Speaker 2: He didn't say I'm going to propose to you, but
23:19
Speaker 2: he was like, I'm in love with you, and like
23:22
Speaker 2: I didn't have a shadow of a doubt that he
23:24
Speaker 2: wasn't gonna propose.
23:26
Speaker 1: Did it feel like love to you or did it
23:29
Speaker 1: feel like lust? Because I think of him lusting after you,
23:32
Speaker 1: and I don't even know what you would have felt
23:34
Speaker 1: for him.
23:36
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think Ben is charming. He's charming, and I
23:40
Speaker 2: think that I got to see. I don't think he
23:42
Speaker 2: was accurate, accurately portrayed on the show. Like he's a
23:46
Speaker 2: lot more fun than I think what they showed, and
23:48
Speaker 2: I know he felt that way. But I remember towards
23:51
Speaker 2: the end of filming one of the EPs, a female
23:53
Speaker 2: was like, would you be the next Bachelor if he
23:56
Speaker 2: doesn't pick you? And this is like right before the finale,
23:59
Speaker 2: and I kind of threw me like what, Yeah, Like
24:02
Speaker 2: I can't say yes because what if they tell him that,
24:05
Speaker 2: like she's here to do that? And I was never
24:07
Speaker 2: a thought in my mind because I had feelings at
24:10
Speaker 2: that point in time. And I will say that the
24:13
Speaker 2: whole thing is a fairy tale. I mean, you're we're
24:15
Speaker 2: in Switzerland, we're going on dates, we're in helicopters, we're
24:18
Speaker 2: flying over the Matterhorn. Like all that stuff helps for sure,
24:23
Speaker 2: and I think it's almost I hate to say trauma bonding,
24:25
Speaker 2: but I think once the camera stopped rolling and we
24:29
Speaker 2: had a lot of fun in those happy couple months,
24:31
Speaker 2: I think that was when the cracks started seeping in
24:34
Speaker 2: and the show was starting to air yeah, but we
24:37
Speaker 2: really tried to make it work for a year. I
24:39
Speaker 2: said to him, we really owe it to ourselves, Like
24:41
Speaker 2: we just went through this like crazy thing, and we
24:44
Speaker 2: owe it to ourselves. I think we would regret not
24:47
Speaker 2: trying to make it work in the real world. And
24:50
Speaker 2: I do think the fame affected him. I think that.
24:54
Speaker 2: You know, he had been dating, like Jennifer Love Hewittt.
24:57
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know, so we've heard so before you he
25:00
Speaker 1: left for filming The Bachelor. Yeah, so in between his
25:04
Speaker 1: two seasons, well, I.
25:06
Speaker 2: Was meeting up with Adrian telling him I'm going on
25:08
Speaker 2: The Bachelor. He's like, what's that show about? He was
25:10
Speaker 2: dating Jennifer Love Hewittt. She allegedly I offered him the
25:17
Speaker 2: same amount of money. He had already signed the contract
25:20
Speaker 2: to do the show, and he wanted to do the show, and.
25:24
Speaker 1: He wanted to do the show more than continue to
25:26
Speaker 1: date Jennifer Love You, and.
25:27
Speaker 2: He said on other podcasts like maybe I should have
25:30
Speaker 2: just done that, which is always it's kind of sucks
25:32
Speaker 2: to hear those things because it's like we really, like
25:34
Speaker 2: he knew my family, like we had a real relationship.
25:38
Speaker 2: He reached out to me about the year before I
25:40
Speaker 2: met my husband. Most people don't know this, and he
25:44
Speaker 2: was watching our season back over the holidays that we
25:47
Speaker 2: rendezvous and we really thought about maybe trying again. And
25:52
Speaker 2: this was like years later after my book came out.
25:55
Speaker 2: He didn't talk to me. He was so pissed and
25:58
Speaker 2: we really kind of just put a bow on that reallylationship.
26:00
Speaker 2: And he's married now. I'm obviously married with three kids.
26:04
Speaker 1: The summer before you met your husband, you had to
26:07
Speaker 1: fling again with Ben.
26:10
Speaker 2: Yeah, we met up for New Year's and we actually
26:12
Speaker 2: watched Ari's season together. I think no, I think it
26:17
Speaker 2: was his first premiere, and I remember I told Ari.
26:21
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, we all know that you had a relationship
26:23
Speaker 1: with Ari too, and I know that you finding out
26:25
Speaker 1: that Ari was going to be the bachelor was not
26:27
Speaker 1: an easy thing for you. Did you did you come
26:29
Speaker 1: together in that trauma bond? Well?
26:33
Speaker 2: I almost wondered if he reached out to me because
26:35
Speaker 2: he kind of realized, like I don't, I don't know,
26:38
Speaker 2: but like that that maybe that was like that's not
26:41
Speaker 2: a thing for them, because like we had done, like
26:43
Speaker 2: we were like good friends, like we had posted photos
26:46
Speaker 2: together and you and Hari. Yeah, and then he was
26:49
Speaker 2: announced as the Bachelor. We ended up watching his like
26:51
Speaker 2: night one together, and obviously Ari was already back and
26:54
Speaker 2: I was like, guess who I'm meeting up with in
26:56
Speaker 2: Santa Barbara and he's like, please don't say Ben. I'm like, yeah,
27:02
Speaker 2: so kind of good tea there, but I mean and
27:05
Speaker 2: then yeah, Ben and I he was in Sonoma still
27:08
Speaker 2: and he was saying about moving to New York, and
27:10
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27:12
Speaker 2: York together. This is like, wow, blasts from the past.
27:15
Speaker 2: We spent time there together and in Connecticut. So yeah,
27:20
Speaker 2: I'm glad that we kind of put a bow on it.
27:22
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27:25
Speaker 2: once in a while, like her and I were super close,
27:28
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27:31
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27:34
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27:38
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27:42
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27:45
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Speaker 1: What was tabloid life back then? I was reading an
30:36
Speaker 1: old Reddit threat before having you on, and some people
30:40
Speaker 1: in there were like, I mean, the girls today don't
30:42
Speaker 1: even know about it was, how bad it was because
30:46
Speaker 1: tabloids aren't as much of a thing anymore, because we
30:49
Speaker 1: have social media and social media as it's own tabloid,
30:52
Speaker 1: and at least with that you're able to be like, hey,
30:55
Speaker 1: getting on because there's this picture coming around about me,
31:00
Speaker 1: and like there's a more ongoing narrative. But like, you're
31:02
Speaker 1: so out of control of your public narrative when it's
31:06
Speaker 1: a tabloid situation. So what was it like literally being
31:09
Speaker 1: at CBS in the grocery store and seeing like a
31:12
Speaker 1: fake report on the cover of us legally, Because I think,
31:15
Speaker 1: like to some degree that has got to be that's
31:18
Speaker 1: just got to be more difficult, right because one there's
31:21
Speaker 1: no control and two like it's in your face wherever
31:25
Speaker 1: you go. I guess that's the same as social media,
31:27
Speaker 1: but there's something about being printed that just feels way
31:31
Speaker 1: more surreal.
31:32
Speaker 2: Yeah, the media was not kind to me, and they
31:36
Speaker 2: were reaching out to my ex boyfriend of seven years
31:39
Speaker 2: and hounding anybody from high school that knew me, and
31:43
Speaker 2: an ex boyfriend of mine have two years sold a
31:45
Speaker 2: story on me for twenty thousand dollars. I think me
31:49
Speaker 2: personally the false stories because they're headlines. Like, you know,
31:54
Speaker 2: I know what's true. It's my life. But now people
31:58
Speaker 2: think these things of me. They want the headlines, they
32:00
Speaker 2: want the clickbait, like you know, sexual seduction mayn eater.
32:06
Speaker 1: The most hated woman on TV. That's in front of
32:08
Speaker 1: my face right now.
32:09
Speaker 2: Oh all of them. I mean National Inquirer was really
32:13
Speaker 2: bad POP, but a lot of it. They pulled modeling photos,
32:17
Speaker 2: but paparazzi was hounding me. I did not anticipate that.
32:21
Speaker 2: I had it for about two months POP. Four different paparazzis.
32:24
Speaker 2: Every morning. If I went to the gym, they were
32:27
Speaker 2: outside my door. I knew them by name. They followed
32:30
Speaker 2: me everywhere I went. That was what was really hard,
32:33
Speaker 2: is that feeling of like, oh my gosh, now I
32:35
Speaker 2: have to think about what I look like. And on
32:38
Speaker 2: top of it, I was dealing with like kind of
32:40
Speaker 2: a rocky relationship at the time, and Ben had gotten
32:43
Speaker 2: me a diamond band. He's like, they took your ring away,
32:47
Speaker 2: so I want you to have this diamond band to wear.
32:50
Speaker 2: And they're like, okay, you can wear it, but you
32:51
Speaker 2: have to wear it on your right hand. And I
32:53
Speaker 2: just got to the point where I was like so
32:54
Speaker 2: mad at the show, mad at everybody. I just started
32:56
Speaker 2: wearing it on my left hand because I'm like, they
32:58
Speaker 2: want something. But for me, it was like the trickle down,
33:03
Speaker 2: Like it was really hard for me to navigate the
33:07
Speaker 2: false stories, like like there was no filtering. It was
33:11
Speaker 2: like she wore white to my wedding, like like these
33:15
Speaker 2: like most bogus stories on me, and I'm like, oh,
33:19
Speaker 2: like it's just like like the fake news was the
33:22
Speaker 2: hardest because I didn't have a platform, and the women
33:25
Speaker 2: coming off the show back then, they would let them
33:27
Speaker 2: do the media rounds and as soon as they got
33:30
Speaker 2: voted off, and they were all just trashing me because
33:35
Speaker 2: also the show was airing, so they were getting gassed up, right, yeah,
33:40
Speaker 2: like they're seeing what I'm saying in my itms, And
33:42
Speaker 2: I think the worst thing that they said about me
33:44
Speaker 2: was like she just sleeps all the time, very alla
33:46
Speaker 2: carinne Olympios. I'm like, yeah, I was exhausted and I
33:52
Speaker 2: didn't want to be around anybody. The only time they
33:54
Speaker 2: weren't you weren't miked up is they were like, I
33:56
Speaker 2: need to take a nap. But yeah, that was really hard.
34:00
Speaker 2: And then my mom was got really sick at the time,
34:03
Speaker 2: and that that was what everything shifted for me, is
34:06
Speaker 2: I had no help in the media or media coaching.
34:10
Speaker 2: And I got a call that was like, your mom's
34:13
Speaker 2: going to be on the cover of US weekly, like
34:16
Speaker 2: the sidebar, and I called yeah, and it was like
34:20
Speaker 2: personal stuff, and I called I think a lawn and
34:23
Speaker 2: then like the higher ups and I said, this is
34:26
Speaker 2: like my choice to go on the show, like now
34:29
Speaker 2: it's like affecting my family. And at that point in time,
34:33
Speaker 2: Ben and I weren't talking very much, like he didn't
34:35
Speaker 2: really see how bad that time was in my life
34:38
Speaker 2: and how.
34:39
Speaker 1: Even though you guys are still technically together, it was
34:41
Speaker 1: just a strain point.
34:42
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I felt like I had to be strong
34:45
Speaker 2: and like kind of like act like everything was okay.
34:47
Speaker 2: And I was like I have like he knew the
34:49
Speaker 2: paparazzi was there every day, and he's like Oh, I
34:52
Speaker 2: saw you at the farmer's market and you spilled your
34:54
Speaker 2: tomatoes like he thought it was like funny, and like,
34:56
Speaker 2: this is like hard for me. So I just remember
35:00
Speaker 2: I was on the cover of US Weekly for about
35:02
Speaker 2: four weeks in a row, and then I hate to
35:06
Speaker 2: say it, but Whitney Houston Rip passed away and then
35:10
Speaker 2: I got one week off. No way, yeah, yeah, I
35:15
Speaker 2: got one week off, and then it just fired right
35:18
Speaker 2: back up.
35:19
Speaker 1: Cordney. This is a wild to think back to think
35:23
Speaker 1: that The Bachelor was such a big deal back then
35:26
Speaker 1: that you would just get cover after cover.
35:29
Speaker 2: I mean, now I can look back, but at the time,
35:32
Speaker 2: I was like, oh my gosh, I'm so depressed. This
35:34
Speaker 2: is like yeah, and my mom's sick, and like I
35:36
Speaker 2: just was like my family, Like I need to protect
35:38
Speaker 2: the family, Like I don't care about him. He's being
35:41
Speaker 2: kind of shitty to me, like this isn't what I want.
35:44
Speaker 2: And then I was also kind of embarrassed because like
35:47
Speaker 2: I think about Jesse and like, what's he thinking about this?
35:51
Speaker 2: And my ex was getting hounded and he was like
35:54
Speaker 2: so supportive and he had a hard time with me
35:56
Speaker 2: doing the show. I actually saw him before I went
35:59
Speaker 2: for filming. So anyway, I feel I feel like we
36:04
Speaker 2: might need to do a part two because.
36:06
Speaker 1: I know the time click on and I'm like, wait
36:10
Speaker 1: a second, we need a part two here for sure.
36:13
Speaker 1: Before I let you leave for this part. Because I'm
36:17
Speaker 1: serious about having a part two, you must know for
36:22
Speaker 1: a fact whether Ben Flannik actually did it. Chris Jenner,
36:26
Speaker 1: I mean, I mean, I've seen her face right now.
36:28
Speaker 1: She's giving us the old fashioned Courtney face.
36:31
Speaker 2: I talked to him about it when we were in
36:33
Speaker 2: Santa Barbara and he said no, but he said I
36:40
Speaker 2: know him pretty well. I mean, those cheating photos came out.
36:43
Speaker 2: He was never gonna. I'm like, your hand's on your butt,
36:45
Speaker 2: like it looks like you're kissing. That was another part
36:47
Speaker 2: of our story that played out after the Final Rose.
36:51
Speaker 2: But I think if he did, he'll take it to
36:53
Speaker 2: the grave. And I remember messaging his sister at the
36:56
Speaker 2: time saying, like, my sources are telling me that Chris
37:00
Speaker 2: Jenner is planning these stories, and you got to tell
37:03
Speaker 2: your brother that, you know, because we weren't on good terms,
37:08
Speaker 2: and you know, Chris Jenner could rule the world with me, dya.
37:12
Speaker 2: But he's like, yeah, like you know, we went to
37:15
Speaker 2: Kanye West, and he talked to me about meeting the
37:17
Speaker 2: sisters and all that.
37:19
Speaker 1: When the smoke there's fire. They didn't just hang out.
37:22
Speaker 2: I mean they were at Joe Joe Francis's place, and
37:27
Speaker 2: I if he didn't tell me, but I one hundred
37:30
Speaker 2: percent think there was some smoochie pooches.
37:32
Speaker 3: Yeah.
37:32
Speaker 2: I think she was like.
37:33
Speaker 1: She's a big Bachelor fan or she was at the time, yeah.
37:37
Speaker 2: Bachelor fan. And I think that she was wanting whether
37:41
Speaker 2: anything happened with them between physically. He didn't admit that
37:44
Speaker 2: to me, but I think that she was planting that
37:46
Speaker 2: seat like I think she liked she had just broken
37:49
Speaker 2: up or divorced Caitlin Jenner wild and I think that
37:54
Speaker 2: that was the narrative she wanted. I mean, Chris Jenner
37:57
Speaker 2: is smart. You don't take Ben Flanneck shopping at Niema,
38:00
Speaker 2: you don't take him to a Kanye West concert. Yeah,
38:04
Speaker 2: but I don't think that he plugged into the narrative,
38:07
Speaker 2: like he was like going to the media being like
38:09
Speaker 2: nothing's going on. I'm like, oh, And then as soon
38:12
Speaker 2: as he started like pushing back like he was out.
38:15
Speaker 1: Yeah, thanks for that insight right there.
38:18
Speaker 2: But if I had to guess, I'm sure. I mean,
38:20
Speaker 2: she's a babe.
38:22
Speaker 1: I know none of us would be judging him at
38:26
Speaker 1: all for the age gap there.
38:27
Speaker 2: But he also with that said, though he's married now,
38:30
Speaker 2: I suspect he's probably going to start a family soon.
38:32
Speaker 2: I could see him being one of those that's like, surprise,
38:35
Speaker 2: we had a baby. That's kind of what he did
38:37
Speaker 2: with his marriage, and I'm really happy for him. I
38:41
Speaker 2: you know, I you know, put a bow on that
38:43
Speaker 2: part chapter of my life, and who knows, maybe ten
38:46
Speaker 2: years from now we can look back and look. I mean,
38:49
Speaker 2: it's a weird thing to go through and to just
38:52
Speaker 2: kind of look back at it fondly.
38:54
Speaker 1: I want to end with this for now. You wrote
38:58
Speaker 1: you were the First. I want to say that You
38:59
Speaker 1: Were the First Bachelor book, and one that I have
39:02
Speaker 1: repeatedly said in this podcast helped educate me going into
39:06
Speaker 1: the show. I read it on the way to casting
39:09
Speaker 1: weekend in LA and it prepared me for so many
39:12
Speaker 1: steps along the way. And it is such a good read.
39:16
Speaker 1: You guys, if you are a Bachelor fan and you
39:19
Speaker 1: know you've experimented with the book books before, this is
39:23
Speaker 1: the book. This is the bachelor book, it's called I
39:25
Speaker 1: Didn't come here to make Friends. Confessions of a Reality
39:28
Speaker 1: show villain. When you wrote that book and then all
39:33
Speaker 1: the spin off shows started happening, Bachelor Pad, Bachelor in Paradise,
39:37
Speaker 1: there must have been some inquiry to have you on them,
39:43
Speaker 1: Was there not? Or was it weird because you had
39:46
Speaker 1: written such a tell all book.
39:49
Speaker 2: So great question, Ashley. When I went to write my book,
39:54
Speaker 2: I had to jump through so many hoops. I got
39:56
Speaker 2: the call like, we're getting ready to send you a
39:57
Speaker 2: cease and desist.
39:59
Speaker 1: I was like, to be honest, there's a lot of
40:00
Speaker 1: seas and desist written all of that book.
40:02
Speaker 3: It.
40:03
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, I mean it's it's got the stuff
40:07
Speaker 1: in it.
40:08
Speaker 2: I found a way to write it where it didn't
40:11
Speaker 2: really break the contract in a way because that contract
40:14
Speaker 2: takes away all of your human rights. And I probably
40:18
Speaker 2: I'm not a suwy person or sooe happy, but I
40:20
Speaker 2: probably like could have gone at them at some point.
40:23
Speaker 2: I think they knew that for defamation or like they
40:25
Speaker 2: said that the skinny dipping thing would be blurred and
40:28
Speaker 2: the promo ran on Good Morning America and there were
40:31
Speaker 2: no blurboxes. I'm literally texting along like this is not okay,
40:36
Speaker 2: like and it's already out there, like people slowed it down.
40:38
Speaker 2: But as far as the book goes, I said to
40:43
Speaker 2: my contacts, like, if you can help me get this
40:45
Speaker 2: done and push this along, I'll do whatever show you want.
40:48
Speaker 2: I'll do your next show. And that just so happened
40:50
Speaker 2: to be Bachelor in Paradise, and so I kind of
40:53
Speaker 2: negotiated with them.
40:54
Speaker 1: You negotiate with them to do it.
40:56
Speaker 2: Yeah, So I negotiated if they could help me get
41:00
Speaker 2: my book done, that I would do their next show,
41:03
Speaker 2: which was Paradise. And so I was in talks to
41:06
Speaker 2: do that and all of that, and then at the
41:09
Speaker 2: end of the day, they realized with the book coming
41:12
Speaker 2: out that they didn't want contestants to feel uncomfortable around me,
41:16
Speaker 2: thinking that they'd be in fear of me writing another book.
41:21
Speaker 2: So it was a conflict of interest, which was great
41:23
Speaker 2: for me because I didn't want to do it. That
41:25
Speaker 2: was just kind of like my like show of faith,
41:28
Speaker 2: like I'm gonna you know, I'm not gonna bat. I
41:30
Speaker 2: didn't bash the franchise. I literally was talking about like
41:33
Speaker 2: what I was experiencing. It was a lot about my
41:36
Speaker 2: life before the show. A little bit during well, a
41:39
Speaker 2: lot of it about during filming, like what I was
41:41
Speaker 2: feeling and experiencing and then what life was like trying
41:44
Speaker 2: to make that relationship work. So thank you for saying that.
41:48
Speaker 2: I'm proud of that. I'm proud that I was able
41:51
Speaker 2: to pull that off. But it was really hard. And
41:54
Speaker 2: then they've had me back for appearances like we're good.
41:58
Speaker 1: Yeah you in that. Well, don't disparage them at all. Actually,
42:02
Speaker 1: you never scared me away from doing it. You just
42:04
Speaker 1: described the bat behind the scenes process before there was
42:07
Speaker 1: such thing as podcasts packing and yes, like so, well,
42:11
Speaker 1: it was so interesting, Like I just ate it up
42:14
Speaker 1: because before podcasts there we had no insight as to
42:19
Speaker 1: what like the behind the scenes of filming was. It
42:20
Speaker 1: was so interesting, but you always made it seem you
42:24
Speaker 1: never made it seem like you were you hated the experience.
42:28
Speaker 2: Oh no, I'm thankful for the experience. I really am.
42:31
Speaker 2: And it just it really beat me down for a while.
42:34
Speaker 2: It was definitely depressed it, you know, but I've met
42:38
Speaker 2: I've you know, met other great people through the show
42:40
Speaker 2: and you know, like you for example, and now I podcast,
42:43
Speaker 2: and yeah, I don't regret it. I definitely don't. It
42:48
Speaker 2: was life changing, and you know, I ended up meeting
42:52
Speaker 2: my husband kind of an roundabout way through the show.
42:55
Speaker 2: But we can we can say of all that for
42:56
Speaker 2: if you want to do a part two, let me know.
42:59
Speaker 1: Let's do it. Let's do it. Okay, you're a mom
43:00
Speaker 1: of three now I want to get into that. But
43:02
Speaker 1: I'm sure that you have to run because of that.
43:05
Speaker 1: So we will see you next time. Courtney, Thank you
43:08
Speaker 1: so so much for bearing it all.
43:11
Speaker 2: No, you know, I'll sing like a canary and I've
43:15
Speaker 2: got some more exciting stuff coming up soon, so stay tuned.
43:18
Speaker 1: It's good. We'll see you then. Until next time. I've been, Ashley,
43:21
Speaker 1: I've been Courtney. Woo bye. Follow the Ben and Ashley
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43:31
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