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Charles McDonald on Mike Tomlin & Steelers future, Rich Paul's bizarre podcast, defending Nick Sirriani | 01.14 · The Right Time with Bomani Jones

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  Speaker 1: Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the right time. A wave original.
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  Speaker 1: a hater. It is that time of week where we
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  Speaker 1: have a guest join us. Check him out on Yahoo Sports.
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  Speaker 1: Charles McDonald, what's going on?
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  Speaker 2: Nothing much.
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  Speaker 3: It's a week in black history this week as Mike
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  Speaker 3: Tomlin and the Steelers split. You got Baltimore, the Ravens owner,
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  Speaker 3: going absolutely loco. So I was talking to Ryan before
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  Speaker 3: we got on. I was like, usually this week and
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  Speaker 3: a half is a little quieter, where you kind of
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  Speaker 3: focus on the playoff teams.
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  Speaker 2: You got your fires in the background.
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  Speaker 3: But no, we had a seismic shift in the NFL
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  Speaker 3: that unfortunately has caused this week to be– really, week
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  Speaker 3: and a half to be a lot more work than
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  Speaker 3: I'm used to it being at this time of year.
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  Speaker 1: But for a lot of– I was like, look at
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  Speaker 1: Charles setting up the whole show and then I realized
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  Speaker 1: it all came back around to him.
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  Speaker 4: That's right.
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  Speaker 1: This was not about the television show. This was about
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  Speaker 1: him thinking about how he thought he was going to
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  Speaker 1: be chilling this week.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, I did think I was going to be chilling
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  Speaker 3: this week. I thought, because this is the best part
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  Speaker 3: of the year as a national writer where you cut
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  Speaker 3: down on the amount of games. You go from basically
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  Speaker 3: every team playing every week and now we got four
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  Speaker 3: games this weekend. It's perfect, but Fortunately, the NFL decided, no,
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  Speaker 3: we have to go through like an era-defining shift in
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  Speaker 3: our head coaching talent.
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  Speaker 2: I just pray for those guys who take those jobs.
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  Speaker 2: All right.
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  Speaker 1: I have a quasi-black history moment that has happened this week,
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  Speaker 1: and it is not about football. I don't want to delay.
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  Speaker 1: You're supposed to get to the show at the top
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  Speaker 1: of the show, right? But I want to put a
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  Speaker 1: pin in this because I want to talk about it
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  Speaker 1: right before the break. It is a very simple observation,
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  Speaker 1: but somebody don't let me forget about this.
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  Speaker 2: Anyway.
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  Speaker 1: Mike Tomlin, I did something on YouTube. Those of you
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  Speaker 1: who are audio listeners, we do YouTube exclusives. A lot
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  Speaker 1: of times when something hot happens, we turn that thing
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  Speaker 1: right back around fast on YouTube, trying to get that money.
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  Speaker 4: You understand what I'm saying?
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  Speaker 1: And so, you know, you might want to jump on
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  Speaker 1: the 21st century and head over there every now and
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  Speaker 1: then and see what we got going.
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  Speaker 4: Plus, I be looking good or a bitch. So, Tomlin,
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  Speaker 4: to me, This made sense.
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  Speaker 1: And it sounds like I said there that I didn't
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  Speaker 1: think the Steelers were that upset that he decided to go,
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  Speaker 1: but it doesn't sound like the Steelers were very happy.
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  Speaker 4: That he decided to go, right?
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  Speaker 1: It seems truly, or maybe they just really love that
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  Speaker 1: man enough that we gonna ride this story out for real.
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  Speaker 4: But they seem really.
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  Speaker 1: That was not their plan. It was Tomlin's idea. Tomlin
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  Speaker 1: walked away from $ 16 million a year, which I'm going
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  Speaker 1: to be honest with you.
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  Speaker 4: You got me fucked up. Y'all going to have to
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  Speaker 4: fire me in front of everybody, right?
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  Speaker 1: $ 16 million? I will take a little bit of embarrassment.
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  Speaker 1: But also- it was time, right? Shout out to him.
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  Speaker 1: If that was, if it was a demonstration of a
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  Speaker 1: measure of shame, I give him all the credit in
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  Speaker 1: the world because you get fired for what happened on Sunday, right?
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  Speaker 1: The only reason that we wouldn't think that he would
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  Speaker 1: get fired for that.
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  Speaker 4: Is because he works for the Pittsburgh Steelers.
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  Speaker 2: Well, yeah.
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  Speaker 3: And I, I have to imagine that the more I
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  Speaker 3: sit with it, it does seem like it was kind
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  Speaker 3: of on his own accord because he seems like he's
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  Speaker 3: already got some TV stuff set up. Yeah. uh which
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  Speaker 3: you know that doesn't happen like from sunday night to
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  Speaker 3: monday morning uh or monday morning tuesday morning whenever uh
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  Speaker 3: whenever that game was uh and we have seen reports
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  Speaker 3: about maybe he wants to get into tv kind of
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  Speaker 3: rumbling this season and now boom mike thomas done and
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  Speaker 3: he's gonna go to uh seems like he's gonna go
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  Speaker 3: to cbs for like at least a year and then
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  Speaker 3: get back into it so salutes to mike man like
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  Speaker 3: you got to go out on your own terms like
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  Speaker 3: unfortunately it was uh a brutal way for your, your
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  Speaker 3: term to end with the Texans just kind of running
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  Speaker 3: all in your backyard in the second half of that game.
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  Speaker 3: But like 19 years of no losing seasons. I think
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  Speaker 3: now that like it's over, like we should be able
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  Speaker 3: to kind of step back and say that is insane
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  Speaker 3: because they have trotted out some crap out there. Basically
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  Speaker 3: since Ben Roethlisberger had to retire. And the fact that
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  Speaker 3: you've never dipped under 500 for all those years, even though,
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  Speaker 3: I understand like fans getting tired of like, man, like
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  Speaker 3: we're getting.
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  Speaker 2: To the wild card. Nothing's happened.
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  Speaker 3: We're clearly not a good team as our record says.
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  Speaker 3: But the fact that he got to go out on
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  Speaker 3: his own terms is great. And now we get to
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  Speaker 3: see without like, you know, sadness of him leaving, what
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  Speaker 3: the hell this looks like without him there. Because that's
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  Speaker 3: like maybe the most interesting part of this to me.
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  Speaker 3: How much like was he dragging whatever they had assembled
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  Speaker 3: to the playoffs? Like how much of that was his
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  Speaker 3: coaching acumen? How much of that? was the roster assembled
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  Speaker 3: because none of us believe in them when they get
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  Speaker 3: to the playoffs, even though they're scraping and fighting their
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  Speaker 3: way there. I don't think anyone picked them to beat
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  Speaker 3: the Texans. No one's picking them to beat like the
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  Speaker 3: Chiefs when they run into them earlier towards the end
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  Speaker 3: of Ben Roethlisberger's career. And now we get to see
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  Speaker 3: someone else get to try to do this. I wonder
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  Speaker 3: if it was a situation where they kind of wanted
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  Speaker 3: to rebuild and I can understand not wanting to do
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  Speaker 3: that because once you decide to take that plunge to
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  Speaker 3: the bottom, there's no guarantee you're going to be back.
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  Speaker 3: The fact that he got to keep that record, have
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  Speaker 3: a respectable season, win the division, I think that's cool.
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  Speaker 3: Salute to him for pulling that off.
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  Speaker 2: Now it's time.
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  Speaker 3: It was definitely time for both parties to move on,
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  Speaker 3: but this and Baltimore, it's the closest thing you can
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  Speaker 3: probably get to Tuscaloosa in the NFL, just given the
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  Speaker 3: stakes of what's going on. Probably more so than Baltimore
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  Speaker 3: because they have a quarterback, but Those Steelers fans, like
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  Speaker 3: they're not going to tolerate.
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  Speaker 2: Like if you start.
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  Speaker 3: Going three and 14, five and 12, that's not going
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  Speaker 3: to be cool for that long.
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  Speaker 1: So that's going to be interesting because they I'm 45
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  Speaker 1: years old.
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  Speaker 4: They've never been terrible in my life.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 4: Like just flat out terrible. Right. A two and two.
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  Speaker 1: Bill Belichick put up a terrible season. on the way
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  Speaker 1: out the door in New England, right? This franchise over
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  Speaker 1: the span of three coaches, and it's also impressive when
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  Speaker 1: you consider, and this is the thing that people don't know,
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  Speaker 1: prior to Chuck Knoll, you could make an argument that
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  Speaker 1: the Pittsburgh Steelers were the worst franchise in the NFL, right?
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  Speaker 1: The original Rooney running the team was a little bit
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  Speaker 1: more concerned with his primary business, which was the rackets.
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  Speaker 1: to be talking about the football team, right? The 1970s
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  Speaker 1: came around and the Steelers were relatively early adopters of
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  Speaker 1: two things.
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  Speaker 4: HBCU talent and supplements.
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  Speaker 1: They got in early on these things, and they've never
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  Speaker 1: been bad after that. They have not always been as
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  Speaker 1: excellent as the rhetoric would have you believe. They had
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  Speaker 1: a run of four Super Bowls in six years. That
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  Speaker 1: kind of gives us... I mean, look, it was what
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  Speaker 1: it was. Like, the 1970s were incredible. The 1980s were not,
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  Speaker 1: and the 1990s were pretty good. I think it's probably
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  Speaker 1: the fairest way that you could characterize this. But they've
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  Speaker 1: never been terrible. And so for Tomlin... A, who wants
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  Speaker 1: to be there while we just going to be sorry
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  Speaker 1: for a couple years because they still going to blame.
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  Speaker 1: Like after a while, it's like any other relationship, man.
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  Speaker 1: It's got tired of shit after a point. It don't
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  Speaker 1: mean he a bad dude necessarily, but they get, look, man,
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  Speaker 1: I've been hosting this podcast here for eight years. I've
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  Speaker 1: been talking into microphones for 25 years. Some of y'all
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  Speaker 1: can finish my sentences. right some of y'all ain't here
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  Speaker 1: no more because you just got a little sick of
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  Speaker 1: my shit man we don't see things you know things
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  Speaker 1: are a little bit different you start criticizing me for
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  Speaker 1: everything that I do it happens because these are the
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  Speaker 1: nature of human intimate relationships and the relationship between Pittsburgh
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  Speaker 1: Steelers fans and the Pittsburgh Steelers coach is an intimate
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  Speaker 1: relationship so if he were to go to three and
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  Speaker 1: fourteen after they got sick and tired.
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  Speaker 4: Of ten and seven Bruh.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: That's not an option.
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  Speaker 1: If y'all going to do this, somebody else going to
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  Speaker 1: have to be present for the bottom out.
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  Speaker 5: Right.
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  Speaker 4: Agreed.
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  Speaker 1: But do you, like, how exactly does that work for
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  Speaker 1: them on the bottom out? Because truly, and you tell
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  Speaker 1: me if I'm wrong here, because you pay attention to
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  Speaker 1: this on a much more granular and molecular level. Are they, like,
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  Speaker 1: how are they, they're, they're not simply a quarterback away.
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  Speaker 1: So quarterback plus what away?
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  Speaker 3: Ooh, I mean, I think the, the game, I know
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  Speaker 3: they beat Baltimore, but the game, the two games were
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  Speaker 3: DK list. Yo, they do not have a whole lot
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  Speaker 3: of like offensive firepower in general, which, which is what
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  Speaker 3: kind of made some of the stuff that they did
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  Speaker 3: so impressive this year, because there were streaks where, you know,
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  Speaker 3: over the, really over the, the, the first like 10
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  Speaker 3: or so games where, Points per drive, yards per drive,
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  Speaker 3: they were a top 10 offense, even though it did
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  Speaker 3: not look like it. It did not feel like it.
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  Speaker 3: Every little piece is drugged to the mud, and you're
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  Speaker 3: really fighting for your life to get five or six yards.
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  Speaker 3: That's not really a sustainable way to live. I mean,
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  Speaker 3: we saw the Chiefs last year where they have an
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  Speaker 3: offense that is good down and down, but there's no explosives.
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  Speaker 3: Then eventually you kind of get dragged to the mud
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  Speaker 3: and you get to the playoffs. You're like, no, no, no.
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  Speaker 3: We actually need someone to come in here and actually
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  Speaker 3: make some big plays for us to make this a
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  Speaker 3: little bit easier. They don't have that. See, what I
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  Speaker 3: thought was interesting about their offseason was when they traded
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  Speaker 3: away George Pickens because I thought that, hey, if you're
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  Speaker 3: going to do this Aaron Rodgers thing, why not just
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  Speaker 3: throw DK and George out there, maximize this, give it
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  Speaker 3: the best shot. you got because if you don't want George,
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  Speaker 3: then his contract expires anyway and you'll still get the
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  Speaker 3: third round comp pick on the back end. So they
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  Speaker 3: kind of just made the George Pickens trade a year early,
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  Speaker 3: which I thought was A little strange for having a
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  Speaker 3: 41-year-old quarterback.
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  Speaker 4: I know it's George.
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  Speaker 2: I know it's George.
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  Speaker 1: I will simply say that they knew him better than
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  Speaker 1: anybody else.
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  Speaker 3: They did.
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  Speaker 4: And they were like... Ya basta. I've had enough.
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  Speaker 3: And look, if Mike Tallman is saying I've had enough
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  Speaker 3: of this, then I got to take him for his word.
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  Speaker 3: Because that guy put up with some bullshit. And yeah,
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  Speaker 3: this is big three. It's like AB, Le'Veon, Big Ben.
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  Speaker 3: But there's guys past that on that team who were
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  Speaker 3: some cantankerous personalities.
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  Speaker 4: And those are just the famous ones.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 2: They're just famous ones. Exactly.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 3: So if Mike Thomas said, I'm good on the George
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  Speaker 3: Pick and stuff, I got to take him as word
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  Speaker 3: for that because he has buckled down through some real lunatics.
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  Speaker 3: But man, it just never felt like they had a
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  Speaker 3: real chance. And it kind of like, I think this
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  Speaker 3: year was the best iteration of the post Big Ben
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  Speaker 3: slop that they put together. Because when I was covering
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  Speaker 3: the Jets in 2019, the Steelers came to New York
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  Speaker 3: and they played Duck Hodges at quarterback.
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  Speaker 2: For a full game.
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  Speaker 3: I think it was Mason Rudolph and Duck Hodges played
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  Speaker 3: quarterback in that game. Remember, they never went under 500
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  Speaker 3: during the stretch. I say all this to say, good
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  Speaker 3: luck to the next person that steps in there.
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  Speaker 2: Because I.
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  Speaker 3: Think Steelers fans don't understand how high the standard that
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  Speaker 3: Mike Tomlin actually set. Because I feel like if I
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  Speaker 3: put this, if I were to take this group of
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  Speaker 3: players and I stuck them with like the Falcons supporting
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  Speaker 3: cast or coaches from last year, like, Hey, I don't,
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  Speaker 3: I don't think we're going to win 10 games. You know,
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  Speaker 3: if you're some of these other guys that got fired,
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  Speaker 3: I don't think we're going to win 10 games. But
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  Speaker 3: that's what the expectation is set. And I mean, it's like,
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  Speaker 3: I don't mean this like disrespectfully, but like Steelers fans,
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  Speaker 3: like they kind of have like a little cult thing
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  Speaker 3: going on where it's like, this is the Oracle and
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  Speaker 3: it's the best. And it's always been the best, even though,
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  Speaker 3: you know, They haven't always been the best. They were
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  Speaker 3: the best a long time ago. You kind of got
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  Speaker 3: to get that right. Like, I don't even know where
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  Speaker 3: they go from here because it's been so long since
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  Speaker 3: they've had to do a coaching search, since they've even
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  Speaker 3: contemplated one.
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  Speaker 2: And now.
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  Speaker 3: you still have Omar Khan there who is in charge
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  Speaker 3: of putting together this roster that we don't think is
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  Speaker 3: very good.
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  Speaker 2: Right. Who's going to pick the next head coach, it seems.
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  Speaker 1: Well, my Pittsburgh question, and I've never had a great
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  Speaker 1: answer for this because I had a decent answer for
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  Speaker 1: it early in the tenure, but I personally didn't know
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  Speaker 1: that much as it went, which is exactly how much
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  Speaker 1: power does Mike.
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  Speaker 4: Tomlin have in that building, right? Because the roster....
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  Speaker 1: Very often, if not in most cases, the coach has
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  Speaker 1: the final say on the rosters. The other guy, like
• 12:55
  Speaker 1: Kyle Shanahan has the final say on that roster in
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  Speaker 1: San Francisco. It's John Lynch's job to go get the
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  Speaker 1: guys that he wants on the roster.
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  Speaker 4: But quite often, that's the case.
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  Speaker 1: Even examples of guys that you don't, I mean, Kyle
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  Speaker 1: Shanahan obviously is like a luminary at this point. But
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  Speaker 1: like Kevin O'Connell, for example, gets to say so.
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  Speaker 4: On the roster.
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  Speaker 1: So whose fault is it exactly that they've had the
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  Speaker 1: guys out there that they've had?
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  Speaker 4: I've never had a great answer personally.
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  Speaker 1: For how much of that to attribute to Tomlin or
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  Speaker 1: how much of that is above you? Because I was
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  Speaker 1: thinking about what the coaching job is at Pittsburgh. And
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  Speaker 1: on one level, Dominique and I were having dinner last night.
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  Speaker 1: And it's like, yes, Dominique and I did have dinner.
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  Speaker 1: For those of you who listen.
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  Speaker 4: After my. That is the best coaching job. in the NFL, right?
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  Speaker 1: Like that is, we have that conversation about college all
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  Speaker 1: the time because there's so many different factors that go
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  Speaker 1: into what a particular college job is. But I think
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  Speaker 1: history has demonstrated with us, this is the job where
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  Speaker 1: they'll give you a chance to work yourself out of
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  Speaker 1: a bind. But it's also a job where through the years,
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  Speaker 1: it's been very top-down in what they have wanted.
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  Speaker 4: Chuck Snow won four.
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  Speaker 1: Super Bowls, and upstairs is still telling him to fire
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  Speaker 1: Tony Dungy as his defensive coordinator.
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  Speaker 4: You're still going to get that.
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  Speaker 1: Mike Tomlin came in as a defensive coordinator from the
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  Speaker 1: Tampa Bay School of Defense and ran a 3-4 for
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  Speaker 1: two decades there. in Pittsburgh, even though it evolved later
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  Speaker 1: into something more of Tomlin's vision, but they got ideas
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  Speaker 1: about how they should play football as a franchise, but
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  Speaker 1: they're going to give you time.
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  Speaker 4: To figure this out.
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  Speaker 1: Like if you're young, you take, obviously you take this job.
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  Speaker 1: If they give the opportunity, I am just very curious
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  Speaker 1: to know who's going to be the guy that they
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  Speaker 1: decide to take. Because with Tomlin, they got the word
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  Speaker 1: on the street that he had had a great interview
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  Speaker 1: with the Miami Dolphins, who unfortunately believe Mike Tomlin was
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  Speaker 1: a little too hip hop.
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  Speaker 2: Mike Tomlin, too hip hop.
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  Speaker 1: Well, hold on. Think about it this way. I talked
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  Speaker 1: about this on the YouTube video. The Dolphins were like,
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  Speaker 1: too hip-hop, but the Pittsburgh fucking Steelers were like, sounds
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  Speaker 1: okay to me. We're not talking about he didn't go
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  Speaker 1: to the Dolphins and he went and coached Grambling.
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  Speaker 4: No, that's not what we're saying.
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  Speaker 1: He went to Pittsburgh and they were like, I have
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  Speaker 1: no idea what those guys are talking about.
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  Speaker 2: I still don't.
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  Speaker 3: When I hear him talk, I'm like, Mike Thomas, he
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  Speaker 3: seems to be the guy who knows more soul music
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  Speaker 3: than you might know rap songs.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: I'll tell you a similar story on this. When I
• 15:37
  Speaker 1: was doing the show for HBO, one of the cool
• 15:40
  Speaker 1: things about doing that was I was in very consistent
• 15:43
  Speaker 1: communication with pretty high-level people there. It's a different game
• 15:47
  Speaker 1: when you're the host of a show in the world
• 15:50
  Speaker 1: that they're in there or whatever. And so I was
• 15:52
  Speaker 1: talking to him by a showrunner one day and HBO
• 15:58
  Speaker 1: had no idea that there was this corner of the internet,
• 16:03
  Speaker 1: those not just who observe sports, but specifically who observe
• 16:06
  Speaker 1: sports media and just flat out hate my guts and
• 16:11
  Speaker 1: think that I am like, I'm about to burn it
• 16:14
  Speaker 1: down with the revolution at every turn that I'm just.
• 16:18
  Speaker 4: The people at HBO were like, did you know that
• 16:21
  Speaker 4: there were these people who felt, they just couldn't believe it.
• 16:24
  Speaker 1: They're just like, are you talking about the same guy
• 16:26
  Speaker 1: that we talked to at work?
• 16:28
  Speaker 4: Like, he seems pretty cool from what I can tell. Like,
• 16:32
  Speaker 4: what are these people's problems? And that is how the
• 16:34
  Speaker 4: Steelers felt immediately off of that.
• 16:38
  Speaker 3: That's funny too. I was, I was parted with a,
• 16:40
  Speaker 3: with a friend, Jason Goff last week. And he was,
• 16:43
  Speaker 3: he was kind of on the same vein telling people like, Hey,
• 16:45
  Speaker 3: you know, you, You see Charles get slandered by all
• 16:47
  Speaker 3: this Adore stuff on the internet, but I want to
• 16:49
  Speaker 3: tell you, he actually does like black people.
• 16:51
  Speaker 2: It's kind of his game. I can relate to that.
• 16:56
  Speaker 3: I can relate to that because I've been fighting for
• 16:58
  Speaker 3: my life for these past few months, man.
• 17:01
  Speaker 1: At least in that case, Goff understood, even if he disagreed,
• 17:06
  Speaker 1: why it was that they felt that way. The Steelers
• 17:09
  Speaker 1: or Tom Blue were probably like, I mean, I guess.
• 17:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Right.
• 17:16
  Speaker 4: Like, how about the Steelers found that out way later?
• 17:18
  Speaker 4: And they were like, huh? Ain't that something?
• 17:22
  Speaker 3: It's so strange. And the Dolphins, I mean, look what
• 17:25
  Speaker 3: they've been involved in since Mike Tomlin was hired.
• 17:27
  Speaker 2: Nothing. Absolutely.
• 17:29
  Speaker 1: Dolphins, what they've been involved with. Maybe this is the
• 17:32
  Speaker 1: lesson for the Steelers. Well, the Dolphins have been involved
• 17:34
  Speaker 1: with since they decided that Don Shula going nine to
• 17:37
  Speaker 1: seven wasn't good enough.
• 17:38
  Speaker 4: And look, they knew who they were going to hire.
• 17:41
  Speaker 1: Like they didn't just do that and be like, oh,
• 17:43
  Speaker 1: we're going to see what it is. They went and
• 17:45
  Speaker 1: hired a dude who won two Super Bowls. And as
• 17:48
  Speaker 1: much as we all think that Jerry Jones is a
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: fool and Jerry.
• 17:51
  Speaker 4: Jones doesn't know what he's doing.
• 17:53
  Speaker 1: The case against Jimmy Johnson as a Hall of Famer
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: is that he went to the Dolphins and never got
• 17:59
  Speaker 1: a crack at.
• 18:00
  Speaker 5: Right?
• 18:01
  Speaker 4: Jerry's argument is anybody could have done it here. Yeah.
• 18:08
  Speaker 3: I've grown on my feelings on Jerry, I guess, like
• 18:12
  Speaker 3: over the past few years, only because they're never bad.
• 18:16
  Speaker 2: You know?
• 18:16
  Speaker 3: And in the same way with the Steelers, like, I
• 18:22
  Speaker 3: think it gets lost when you have these things that
• 18:24
  Speaker 3: are relevant all the time.
• 18:25
  Speaker 2: We're talking about them all the time.
• 18:27
  Speaker 3: How hard it is to be relevant all the time.
• 18:31
  Speaker 3: I mean, we talk about the Steelers. They won nine
• 18:35
  Speaker 3: games with the Duck Hodges, Mason Rudolph combo. Kenny Pickett
• 18:41
  Speaker 3: was drafted 20th overall because the old general manager, Kevin Colbert,
• 18:44
  Speaker 3: he said, Basically, he said, oh, wow, you know how
• 18:47
  Speaker 3: Ozzie Newsom left the Ravens, Lamar Jackson, I'd like to
• 18:50
  Speaker 3: leave the Steelers a quarterback too. Here's Kenny Pickett. They
• 18:53
  Speaker 3: still won, you know, nine games, eight to ten games.
• 18:57
  Speaker 3: That is really, really difficult to do. And I think
• 19:02
  Speaker 3: we kind of get so used to these characters being
• 19:05
  Speaker 3: around and being subjects of discussion that you start to lose, like,
• 19:10
  Speaker 3: respect for some of the work that they've done and
• 19:13
  Speaker 3: they put together. I mean, you can look at Jerry Jones.
• 19:15
  Speaker 3: The Cowboys are probably one of the best drafting teams
• 19:17
  Speaker 3: over the last two decades.
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and one thing we don't do with the Cowboys
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: is when they make a pick that we think is silly,
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: like that guard they took from Tulsa, who's like a
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: Pro Bowl-level guard.
• 19:27
  Speaker 2: You can play left tackle, too.
• 19:28
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's like a couple other of those where
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: they make these picks that we think are silly, and
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: then it's like, oh, look at that.
• 19:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. And, oh, man.
• 19:39
  Speaker 4: They got a 10-year starter and a quarterback in the
• 19:41
  Speaker 4: fourth round.
• 19:42
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that they didn't even want, really. That one I'm
• 19:44
  Speaker 3: not giving them as much credit for, because they're.
• 19:46
  Speaker 4: Trying to get.
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: I'll just say that they've been quarterbacked for the last
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: 20 years yeah with guys that have their shortcomings don't
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: get me wrong yeah but the last 20 years they've
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: been quarterbacked by an undrafted free agent and a fourth
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: round pick and there weren't a lot of teams that
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: would trade their quarterback situation for theirs.
• 20:00
  Speaker 3: Right you knew immediately that dac was good you knew
• 20:02
  Speaker 3: pretty immediately that tony romo was good um And the
• 20:06
  Speaker 3: idea that you can just kind of like just come
• 20:07
  Speaker 3: in and someone else is going to do it to
• 20:09
  Speaker 3: the same degree.
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: It's tough, man.
• 20:12
  Speaker 3: Like you said before, you got to take these jobs
• 20:14
  Speaker 3: if you get offered them. But can you imagine walking
• 20:17
  Speaker 3: into Baltimore right now as the new head coach?
• 20:20
  Speaker 2: That is a pressure cooker. Pressure cooker.
• 20:24
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: So let me ask you this about that because that
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: raises an interesting question. We feel confident because of the
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: last three hires that the Steelers have made that they're
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: going to look for somebody in their– early to mid
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: thirties and hope that they're making a two decade higher.
• 20:39
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: I don't think Baltimore can afford to think like that.
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: I feel like they are on a much more win-now
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: clock with the roster they have, and I think it's
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: worth noting, I don't think that you can assume a
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: 17-year career for Lamar Jackson. It's a different skill set.
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: It involves taking a lot more hits. He's not Cam Newton,
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: where he has been running QB power for all these years,
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: and Newton had the arc of a running back.
• 21:07
  Speaker 4: It's not that necessarily, but.
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: you know, a couple things start slowing down physically and
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: the decline could be a little bit.
• 21:16
  Speaker 4: Bigger based on that. You got to get this while
• 21:19
  Speaker 4: it's here.
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 21:21
  Speaker 3: In a weird way, the back half of the season,
• 21:23
  Speaker 3: it kind of made me a little more positive about
• 21:27
  Speaker 3: what Lamar could look like long term because basically the
• 21:31
  Speaker 3: first month of the season when he was healthy, he
• 21:34
  Speaker 3: was on track to throw like 40 touchdowns again. All
• 21:36
  Speaker 3: his numbers were top three in the league. And then
• 21:40
  Speaker 3: since that Chiefs game, like week four or five, he
• 21:43
  Speaker 3: barely practiced the entire season. Wasn't really healthy. Wasn't doing
• 21:47
  Speaker 3: the bare minimum just to get to game days when
• 21:49
  Speaker 3: he could. And you, as the season goes along, like
• 21:53
  Speaker 3: obviously he's physically diminished, but man, the arm talent was
• 21:57
  Speaker 3: still there. Like the ability to throw down the field
• 21:59
  Speaker 3: was still there. Like we saw it in the Steelers game,
• 22:01
  Speaker 3: saw it in a couple of games before that to
• 22:02
  Speaker 3: close the season where you're like, okay, maybe even when
• 22:07
  Speaker 3: he can't move, like he's just developing such a good
• 22:09
  Speaker 3: thrower that your window there will be a little longer.
• 22:12
  Speaker 3: But it was a little harrowing sometimes to see when
• 22:16
  Speaker 3: he's out there hobbling and you're like, man, I don't
• 22:19
  Speaker 3: even want to think there because I don't want those
• 22:22
  Speaker 3: people who back in the day to be right.
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: But they're not right. I mean, they're not right because
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: he's won two MVPs, right?
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: He's so much better than anybody truly thought that he
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: was going to be. And I think he's better than
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: he gets credit for, even with the two.
• 22:37
  Speaker 4: Plus MVPs.
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: How about we start calling it three-time first-team All-Pros?
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: Three-time first-team All-Pros.
• 22:44
  Speaker 4: Because they did that thing. You remember when they did
• 22:47
  Speaker 4: that thing? He's so good. And look, those postseason moments, hey,
• 22:52
  Speaker 4: they matter. They're a thing. They've been an issue. I
• 22:55
  Speaker 4: do feel like this year would.
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: Have been interesting because he's gone a long way toward
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: rectifying that, right?
• 23:00
  Speaker 4: Like, that was how I felt about it. But, hey, hey,
• 23:04
  Speaker 4: you better get it done now. Like, as soon as possible.
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: As soon as possible, yeah.
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: Well, Before we go into this break, I was going
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: to talk about this black history thing. It's kind of
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: sort of black history, but it's not really black history.
• 23:16
  Speaker 4: But I saw something very interesting that I didn't know.
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: And so there's an interesting thing about the NFL, which
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: is the NFL now is kind of like a golden
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: age of black agents.
• 23:27
  Speaker 4: Like it's a lot of black agents.
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: I think that most of us would say the number
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: one agent in the game right now is David Mulgetta. He's,
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: you know, you got him, you got Nicole Lynn, you
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: got other people. It's enough of them that we ain't
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: got to know everybody's name, right? And I did remember
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: seeing once Mulgedon was on Twitter and somebody asked something
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: about why all his clients were black. And he said,
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: because the white guys don't hire us.
• 23:48
  Speaker 4: Right? I know Nicole Lynn represents Bailey Zappy, H-Town. You
• 23:54
  Speaker 4: know what I mean?
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: But they're like, yeah, we can't get no audience with
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: them white dudes. The NBA is a little bit different.
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: And I saw something interesting that I just wanted to
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: find a way to get into the show.
• 24:04
  Speaker 4: And this is where I'm doing it. It's not really
• 24:06
  Speaker 4: black history, but you'll still feel me.
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: I'm following you. Okay.
• 24:11
  Speaker 4: So did you see this thing with Rich Paul?
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: He does this podcast with Max Kellerman that I don't
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: understand for any of the parties who are on camera.
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: That's what I feel about all these podcasts.
• 24:22
  Speaker 4: Yeah, but I don't. It confuses me on many levels
• 24:26
  Speaker 4: that this podcast exists.
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: But the podcast is there. And Rich Paul be out
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: here giving these takes, man.
• 24:32
  Speaker 4: And I mean, it's not a big.
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: Deal except for the fact that you're an agent. And
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: he'd be talking about what's going on with the teams
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: of his clients. And his number one client is obviously
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: LeBron James. And now, granted, we know they ain't really
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: got a whole lot of clout over there. And maybe
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: this is his way, right, of trying to flex or
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: exert anything. But he did this pod the other day
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: where he was talking about how they should trade Austin Reeves.
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: And it was in the name of how you build
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: around Luka Doncic.
• 25:00
  Speaker 4: But I think he wanted to send him to Memphis.
• 25:02
  Speaker 3: Yeah, he'd be the highest player on Memphis or some shit.
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: I was like, shut up, shut up.
• 25:08
  Speaker 4: Yeah, but he's trying to move him to Memphis. Okay, right?
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: For what, though?
• 25:12
  Speaker 4: Why? I don't know.
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: Like, the details don't matter because you're not going to
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: get me to listen to Rich Paul talking to Max
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: Kellerman about the NBA.
• 25:20
  Speaker 4: I'm just 24 hours in a day. I don't have it, right?
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: Agreed.
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: But I saw something very interesting that Austin Reeves' agent
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: was at Staples Center before Tuesday night's game, and he
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: pulled up on Rich Paul to have a conversation. Oh, no.
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: And apparently it was a five-minute conversation. And the difference
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: between the NFL and the NBA is that Austin Reeves'
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: agent is a brother named Reggie.
• 25:51
  Speaker 4: I don't know anything about Reggie.
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: I don't need to know anything about Reggie.
• 25:55
  Speaker 4: Clearly, I don't know Reggie's last name, right?
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: No.
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: I have to say, though, I started to look at
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: Austin Reeves a little bit differently when I found out
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: he had an agent named Reggie.
• 26:06
  Speaker 4: But it made me wonder, was it a case for
• 26:09
  Speaker 4: him where, you.
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: Know, white people got low self-esteem when it comes to basketball?
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: That only a brother named Reggie would be able to
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: see or recognize his talents.
• 26:17
  Speaker 4: That the white folks, it'd be a brick wall to
• 26:19
  Speaker 4: the white folks. They wouldn't be able to get it.
• 26:23
  Speaker 3: I don't know, but the whole thing, I don't even
• 26:27
  Speaker 3: like knowing who these agents are in the first place.
• 26:30
  Speaker 3: You know, it's just like, so why do you have
• 26:33
  Speaker 3: this podcast where you're talking about your client's team? Why
• 26:37
  Speaker 3: is another agent pulling up on you at a game? Like,
• 26:41
  Speaker 3: this has become a little bit too self-involved, guys. Like,
• 26:43
  Speaker 3: you guys are supposed to be in the background. You know, like,
• 26:46
  Speaker 3: this is an extension of the insider trend that's drove
• 26:51
  Speaker 3: me crazy where it says, oh, you know, so-and-so assigned
• 26:54
  Speaker 3: with so-and-so per so-and-so of this agency. I'm like, dude,
• 26:57
  Speaker 3: I don't even know all that. I don't need to
• 27:00
  Speaker 3: know any of this stuff. But, Shout out to Austin Reeves.
• 27:03
  Speaker 3: Shout out to Austin Reeves for putting money back in
• 27:05
  Speaker 3: the community. You know, we can really use some of
• 27:08
  Speaker 3: that these days.
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: I mean, I'll still note that Austin Reeves wears number
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: 15 because they are. Now, to be fair, Anthony Richardson
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: used to do that too.
• 27:17
  Speaker 4: But at the same time, Austin.
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: Reeves, I mean, like, you know, you got you a
• 27:22
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• 27:23
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  Speaker 4: That means I almost did it right there. I was
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  Speaker 4: this close.
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  Speaker 2: I was waiting for it today.
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  Speaker 4: Hey, man, I'm sorry.
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  Speaker 1: Hey, so, all right, I'm going to just talk about
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  Speaker 1: this right quick. You saw the mistake Stephen A. made
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: on Tuesday.
• 30:16
  Speaker 2: Oh, yes.
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I was watching live as it happened, and it
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: was an unfortunate situation, man. He was talking about Christian Kirk,
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: the wide receiver. And he accidentally called him Charlie Kirk.
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: And of course, you know, the internet, particularly those who
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: believe that Stephen A. has betrayed them in some form
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: or fashion, went to town on that. And I'm like,
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: for the grace of God, there goes I. The difference
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: between me and him is I just started laughing about
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: it immediately. But I mean, I've been calling Justin Jefferson,
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: Jordan Jefferson for years on this show. I don't feel
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: like I don't have the right to judge a man
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: under those circumstances.
• 30:53
  Speaker 4: But damn, tough break, homie. Tough, tough break.
• 30:57
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that was one of those moments where I was like, man,
• 30:59
  Speaker 3: when I was younger, I might have tweeted something that
• 31:01
  Speaker 3: would get me in trouble right now.
• 31:03
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah.
• 31:04
  Speaker 5: Hey, man.
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: He's going through one of those patches, man. I mean,
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: maybe at some point he can get himself out of it.
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: He's going through it. Look, sometimes you the person that
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: the whole school made jokes about.
• 31:18
  Speaker 5: Right?
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: It happens so easily that you become the person that
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: everybody doesn't like.
• 31:25
  Speaker 2: You know?
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: The wisest thing I think that Stephen A did that week,
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: at least that appeared to be, it sounds like he's
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: a little too busy with politics to wade into that
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: situation y'all had.
• 31:35
  Speaker 4: With that woman at the Jaguars press conference.
• 31:39
  Speaker 3: That situation has blown my mind.
• 31:42
  Speaker 4: All right.
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: And so right fast, I want to explain this to
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: people who don't know what's going on.
• 31:45
  Speaker 4: Okay.
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: I will not give you an opinion on it. I
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: will just tell you what the situation is. So Liam
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: Cohen was doing his press conference after the Jaguars loss
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: and a woman named Lynn Jones, who works for the
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: Jacksonville Free Press, which is the black newspaper in Jacksonville,
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: gave him a very, very, very heartfelt, encouraging message to
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: keep his head up in spite of defeat. And it
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: looked like he was really emotional in that moment. And
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: it led online to to a couple of discussions, one
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: of them being about this general decorum in the press
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: room and certain rules for behavior, we'll put it, that
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: people have.
• 32:30
  Speaker 4: There on one hand.
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: And then on the other hand, it was about Black
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: people and stuff. Is that the broadest way for me
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: to describe it?
• 32:41
  Speaker 3: I think that's the broadest way to describe it. And
• 32:43
  Speaker 3: I mean, I don't even really have an opinion on this.
• 32:47
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I would recommend that you don't, brother.
• 32:49
  Speaker 3: No, no. My opinion on this is we are really
• 32:53
  Speaker 3: stretching the bounds of what needs intense discourse. I watched
• 32:58
  Speaker 3: that video and I was like, eh. Okay, that's unusual.
• 33:02
  Speaker 3: I've been to a lot of press conferences, don't normally
• 33:04
  Speaker 3: see stuff like that. But the fact that this has
• 33:06
  Speaker 3: been explosive for multiple days now, I'm like, whoa.
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: This is something that journalists... need to understand or media
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: people more broadly need to understand. We overpopulate the sample
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: on Twitter specifically.
• 33:21
  Speaker 2: Yes, definitely.
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: And the people who are not us follow a lot
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: of us, right? Like this is, it's a great place
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: to share media. Historically it has been, all right? Now
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: I think it's a terrible place for everything. But everybody,
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: I use everybody very broadly, but on the internet, often
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: has this misunderstanding, especially people who don't have big followings,
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: that everybody can see what you're talking about. So your
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: message may be intended for your colleagues, but everybody can
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: see it. And they don't necessarily know the rules that
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: you and your colleagues have, or what it is that
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: you're talking about. But you need to understand, everybody can
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: see what it is that you're saying.
• 34:14
  Speaker 4: And that's probably why you shouldn't. Right?
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: Unless you're ready for people from all these corners bringing
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: everything they have into a conversation that you are trying
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: to have, particularly if you're trying to not just have
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: it not just directed to a specific set of people,
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: but a conversation that you're trying to have within that
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: set of people.
• 34:34
  Speaker 4: You got to go to the private Facebook group for that.
• 34:36
  Speaker 4: You got to go to the group chat for that.
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: That out there, that's not how that's going to go
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: for you.
• 34:42
  Speaker 3: No. I mean, I don't use Twitter anymore, so I
• 34:46
  Speaker 3: didn't really see much outside of what people sent me.
• 34:49
  Speaker 3: And man, I'm seeing like soliloquies and long ass, like
• 34:52
  Speaker 3: thought out, man.
• 34:53
  Speaker 2: I'm like, yo, keep it in the group chat.
• 34:57
  Speaker 3: Because first of all, These people don't like us, you know,
• 35:00
  Speaker 3: and of course, and to see people complaining about, oh,
• 35:04
  Speaker 3: you know, this lady in this press conference, it's not
• 35:07
  Speaker 3: going to resonate.
• 35:08
  Speaker 2: With your audience, man. It's never going to resonate. They
• 35:11
  Speaker 2: don't care. They don't like us. So keep it, keep
• 35:14
  Speaker 2: it offline.
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: Again, I'm amazed by people who at once love the attention,
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: but also forget that other people are looking.
• 35:21
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: Because once other people are looking, it may not sound
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: the way you think that it's going to sound.
• 35:29
  Speaker 3: Right?
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: It might not land the way you think it's going
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: to land. But anyway, so I'll throw this out here
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: as we detour back into the other stuff. I am
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: told that you have a pro Nick Sirianni take.
• 35:47
  Speaker 4: And I want to be clear.
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: I don't think it's appropriate for me to pretend as
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: though there's something so crazy about having a take in
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: support of a man with a Super Bowl ring and
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: a career record of 59 and 26.
• 36:06
  Speaker 4: However, the hell are you talking about right now, bro?
• 36:09
  Speaker 2: No, okay, okay.
• 36:11
  Speaker 3: Let me start this off by saying, I don't know
• 36:15
  Speaker 3: what this man does, okay? Like, I don't know what
• 36:19
  Speaker 3: he does well here. But you just read it off.
• 36:24
  Speaker 3: Maybe this is like a little contrarian part of my brain.
• 36:26
  Speaker 3: It probably is a big contrarian part of my brain,
• 36:28
  Speaker 3: just considered no one else is really saying this in
• 36:33
  Speaker 3: defense of Nick Ceriani. But the guy, he's 59-26. Two
• 36:38
  Speaker 3: Super Bowl appearances. He's a hair away from winning the
• 36:42
  Speaker 3: first one against the Chiefs and then obviously blew him
• 36:44
  Speaker 3: out the water in the second one. He's got to
• 36:47
  Speaker 3: be doing something right. Like, he's got to be doing
• 36:50
  Speaker 3: something right. Because he's had a 70% winning percentage over
• 36:56
  Speaker 3: five years in the goddamn NFL. Like, something has to
• 37:00
  Speaker 3: be going right here. And look, I'm trying to put
• 37:04
  Speaker 3: this delicately. I've never been the highest on Jalen Hurts.
• 37:09
  Speaker 3: So to me, like, the fact that you're winning all
• 37:11
  Speaker 3: these games... is even a little bit more impressive. And
• 37:15
  Speaker 3: I know that they have like the all-star talent around
• 37:18
  Speaker 3: and they have one of the best Super Bowl, one
• 37:19
  Speaker 3: of the best defenses in the history of the league
• 37:21
  Speaker 3: last year that gave Patrick Mahomes the worst game of
• 37:24
  Speaker 3: his career, like probably up until this season.
• 37:28
  Speaker 2: He's got to be doing something right.
• 37:30
  Speaker 3: Like the football guy in me, I can't look at
• 37:33
  Speaker 3: all of this resume and say, no, you're just worthless.
• 37:36
  Speaker 2: Like you don't do anything. You're a loser.
• 37:37
  Speaker 3: But also I don't know what he does either because
• 37:40
  Speaker 3: when he was in Indianapolis, As offensive coordinator, he wasn't
• 37:44
  Speaker 3: the play caller. Obviously, he's not the play caller in Philadelphia.
• 37:47
  Speaker 3: He cycled through OCs. Cycled through some DCs, too. But
• 37:52
  Speaker 3: you hit on Vic Fangio, and boom, you're a Super
• 37:53
  Speaker 3: Bowl champion. Maybe it's the ability to just kind of
• 37:57
  Speaker 3: cut through all the nonsense where these guys are bickering
• 38:00
  Speaker 3: with each other, but he'll be bickering back at them, too.
• 38:02
  Speaker 2: So I don't even know if that's true. My Nick Siri.
• 38:06
  Speaker 3: My Nick Siriannon take is you've got to be doing
• 38:09
  Speaker 3: something right, man. Something has to be going well here
• 38:13
  Speaker 3: because you don't win this many games. How can you
• 38:17
  Speaker 3: be a loser and win like 70% of your games
• 38:19
  Speaker 3: in the NFL? That's the part that I can't fully
• 38:22
  Speaker 3: get myself out there on.
• 38:23
  Speaker 4: I say the same things about Barry Switzer.
• 38:27
  Speaker 2: See, that's a little too old for me. I don't
• 38:29
  Speaker 2: know that much about Barry Switzer.
• 38:30
  Speaker 4: No, I'm just saying Barry Switzer with the Cowboys. We
• 38:33
  Speaker 4: said the same exact thing.
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: Switzerland won a Super Bowl, NFC Championship game, you know
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: what I'm saying?
• 38:37
  Speaker 4: Had really good players. It's a.
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: Everything you say, and you said before we got on
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: that it was a contrarian take, and I disagree.
• 38:46
  Speaker 4: I think that it's a very logical take. It is a...
• 38:48
  Speaker 4: What's the homie's name? O'Kam... Akam, Akam, whatever his name is. Akam.
• 38:55
  Speaker 2: Akam's razor, yeah.
• 38:56
  Speaker 4: Yeah, there you go. There we go.
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: Hey, that's one of those you just always read it.
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: You'll never hear nobody say it out loud, right? It
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: all falls in line with what you are saying.
• 39:09
  Speaker 2: It does.
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: Comma, however, he gives clown. I'm not saying, it's hard
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: to say he is a clown, but he gives clown.
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: He gives, we're counting down the days till we fire
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: this guy.
• 39:24
  Speaker 2: He does.
• 39:25
  Speaker 4: And guess what? Might win a Super Bowl before that happens.
• 39:29
  Speaker 2: Dude, it might get bad.
• 39:30
  Speaker 3: Like this is still a really good team like the
• 39:32
  Speaker 3: framework at least like obviously you have some some serious
• 39:36
  Speaker 3: issues to figure out on offense but I mean you.
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: Look at defense you got issues to figure out on
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: offense a lot of which have to do specifically with
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: the quarterback.
• 39:44
  Speaker 3: Yeah that's that's the part that we still haven't like
• 39:47
  Speaker 3: quite gotten to because I think one of the most
• 39:51
  Speaker 3: fascinating things about Jalen Hurts to me as a player is,
• 39:54
  Speaker 3: I'm not sure people have caught on to the fact
• 39:58
  Speaker 3: that they've, I think Kellen Moore is a perfect example,
• 40:02
  Speaker 3: but they've run through all these different offensive coordinators over
• 40:06
  Speaker 3: the past few years. The offense ends up at the
• 40:09
  Speaker 3: same spot basically every single time. Now you have years
• 40:13
  Speaker 3: like where where the efficiency of the offense, like the
• 40:16
  Speaker 3: first year they made the Superbowl and they pushed the
• 40:18
  Speaker 3: Chiefs to the brink, like that offense was great. But,
• 40:22
  Speaker 3: you know, ultimately like it's the same core concepts. Like
• 40:25
  Speaker 3: you're running a lot of four verts, a lot of
• 40:27
  Speaker 3: inside zone, a lot of RPOs and no matter who
• 40:31
  Speaker 3: the OC is, no matter who the play caller is,
• 40:33
  Speaker 3: like it always kind of gets whittled down to that.
• 40:35
  Speaker 3: And I think Kellen Moore is like the perfect example
• 40:38
  Speaker 3: to look at this lens through because, Like that guy,
• 40:41
  Speaker 3: he was the OC for the Cowboys with Dak Prescott,
• 40:43
  Speaker 3: was the OC for the Chargers with Justin Herbert. Now
• 40:46
  Speaker 3: he's a head coach for his own team with New
• 40:48
  Speaker 3: Orleans Saints. You've got three different examples that show you
• 40:52
  Speaker 3: that how he called that offense last year for Philadelphia
• 40:56
  Speaker 3: is not how he likes to run things. You know,
• 40:58
  Speaker 3: he's a much more traditional like pro style. Like if
• 41:00
  Speaker 3: you go back and look at some of like the, the,
• 41:04
  Speaker 3: the early Dak Prescott stuff and Scott Linehan was their
• 41:06
  Speaker 3: offensive coordinator. Like that's where Kellen Moore is kind of
• 41:08
  Speaker 3: cutting his cloth. So, To me, it's kind of like
• 41:12
  Speaker 3: the Russell Wilson conundrum, right? You can run through all
• 41:15
  Speaker 3: these OCs, but ultimately the offense is going to play
• 41:17
  Speaker 3: out the same way. We're going to have to take
• 41:19
  Speaker 3: our deep shots and we're going to have to play
• 41:21
  Speaker 3: around Russell's limitations, but the problem here is I think
• 41:24
  Speaker 3: Russell was a much more talented and skilled player than
• 41:28
  Speaker 3: Jalen Hurts is. You're always going to be bogged down
• 41:32
  Speaker 3: to a degree just from a throwing skill point. Now,
• 41:35
  Speaker 3: it's not to say he's a bad quarterback or a
• 41:38
  Speaker 3: bad football player or anything, but It's kind of telling
• 41:40
  Speaker 3: to me that no matter who's calling your plays to
• 41:43
  Speaker 3: different levels of success, you still end up kind of
• 41:46
  Speaker 3: running this pretty simplistic offense. And if you have one
• 41:50
  Speaker 3: of the best defenses in NFL history, like you did
• 41:52
  Speaker 3: last year, or you have Saquon Barkley rushing for more
• 41:55
  Speaker 3: yards than anyone has in the total course of a season,
• 41:58
  Speaker 3: regular season and postseason combined, then yeah, you could win
• 42:01
  Speaker 3: a Super Bowl. But where people lose me, I guess,
• 42:03
  Speaker 3: is the idea that he is the driving force for
• 42:07
  Speaker 3: the winning just because He's the quarterback. Cause at this point,
• 42:10
  Speaker 3: like I've watched the past two seasons. It's not just
• 42:14
  Speaker 3: this season. It was last season too. When Kevin Petula
• 42:16
  Speaker 3: was not the OC and AJ Brown gave that sassy
• 42:19
  Speaker 3: ass answer. What's wrong with the passing game, the passing.
• 42:22
  Speaker 3: They had eight games last year where it's like, like,
• 42:25
  Speaker 3: you know, average to below average efficiency. This is supposed
• 42:28
  Speaker 3: to be a franchise $ 50 million quarterback. Why are we
• 42:30
  Speaker 3: not holding like to that standard? Sometimes I know that
• 42:33
  Speaker 3: the Superbowl helps a lot, but man, I would if
• 42:36
  Speaker 3: I was an Eagles fan, like I would want a
• 42:38
  Speaker 3: little bit more from Hertz, honestly, because your hamstring, your
• 42:41
  Speaker 3: hamstring sometimes.
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: But Hertz says the other thing in common with Russell Wilson,
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: which is the whispers of how his teammates feel about him,
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: which is an interesting discussion of the buttoned up, highly professional,
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: do everything you're supposed to do, black guy. does not
• 42:59
  Speaker 1: receive the same level of baseline respect as the white dude.
• 43:04
  Speaker 1: And I want to be clear, it sounds like you
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: be your own people, okay? Like, I'm not blaming this on,
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: I'm noting the difference between how the white guys and
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: the black guys are treated.
• 43:17
  Speaker 4: I'm not talking about who it is that's doing the treating.
• 43:20
  Speaker 1: Right for whatever reason those guys and maybe it's just
• 43:24
  Speaker 1: these two right to be fair but you don't hear
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: when it's a guy like like you don't hear anybody
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: talk about they don't like Kirk Cousins he seems to
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: be the.
• 43:32
  Speaker 4: Same type of guy as these.
• 43:34
  Speaker 3: Dudes are you know I know I know what I'm
• 43:36
  Speaker 3: getting with Kirk I don't I don't I don't have
• 43:38
  Speaker 3: to talk too much to him you know so yeah
• 43:40
  Speaker 3: I don't.
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: But but you know it's it's an it's an interesting
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: part in this I said last year And people got
• 43:46
  Speaker 1: really mad at me about it, but it's the truth,
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: and it's still borne out, Super Bowl notwithstanding. Every team
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: that Jalen Hurts has quarterbacked since he left high school
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: has been held back by his shortcomings as a passer.
• 44:00
  Speaker 4: And this was Alabama?
• 44:03
  Speaker 1: Alabama had to bench him at halftime in the national
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: championship game? This was Oklahoma where he finished second in
• 44:09
  Speaker 1: the voting for the Heisman Trophy.
• 44:11
  Speaker 4: So it's always hard and difficult to explain with him.
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: But they're going to have to figure out at a
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: point where how much higher do we need the ceiling
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: for our quarterback to be? Or how long can we
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: consistently expect that we're going to have the best roster
• 44:28
  Speaker 1: in the NFL or one of the two or three.
• 44:30
  Speaker 4: Best rosters in the NFL? Because the system is designed
• 44:32
  Speaker 4: for you to not be able to continue to do that.
• 44:34
  Speaker 3: Right, and I think some of their struggles this year
• 44:37
  Speaker 3: is where you've just seen... I don't want to say
• 44:42
  Speaker 3: guys take a step back, but really guys are just
• 44:44
  Speaker 3: getting older. This NFL shit ain't forever. You have small windows.
• 44:51
  Speaker 3: And also, it's like, dude, Sternell's been winning for five years.
• 44:54
  Speaker 5: I don't know.
• 44:55
  Speaker 2: I don't know. Maybe he's okay. Maybe he's figured something out.
• 44:59
  Speaker 2: I don't know. But these windows are so small that.
• 45:04
  Speaker 3: The idea that you've even been able to maximize this
• 45:07
  Speaker 3: is such an incredible triumph.
• 45:12
  Speaker 2: To me.
• 45:13
  Speaker 3: The fascinating disconnects to me, and it's not just Jalen Hurts,
• 45:16
  Speaker 3: there's a lot of quarterbacks. We watch these games where
• 45:20
  Speaker 3: they're on national TV and we see the poor throw.
• 45:25
  Speaker 3: For this example, we see the poor throw that Jalen
• 45:27
  Speaker 3: Hurts made to close out that game against the 49ers
• 45:29
  Speaker 3: where he threw it in the triple coverage to a
• 45:31
  Speaker 3: completely covered Dallas Goddard. And you watch him make that decision.
• 45:36
  Speaker 3: You know he's a franchise quarterback. And then you immediately go, ah, Petullo,
• 45:39
  Speaker 3: the OC, like his fault. Hey, you know, that is
• 45:45
  Speaker 3: going to come back next year because it was there
• 45:48
  Speaker 3: the year before too.
• 45:49
  Speaker 2: Like these are trends that you can follow.
• 45:51
  Speaker 3: So what I get worried about with the Eagles and,
• 45:54
  Speaker 3: you know, how he's been so good at this, maybe
• 45:56
  Speaker 3: this concern doesn't even matter, is like as you start
• 45:59
  Speaker 3: stripping pieces, you know, as– A.J. Brown continues to read
• 46:03
  Speaker 3: more books on the sideline and decide that this ain't
• 46:06
  Speaker 3: for him. You know, maybe Devonta Smith, we've seen him
• 46:09
  Speaker 3: get frustrated sometimes too. You know, the offensive line is
• 46:12
  Speaker 3: getting a little bit older at tackle with Lane Johnson
• 46:15
  Speaker 3: and Jordan Mailata. You know, he's not, he ain't Walter Jones,
• 46:19
  Speaker 3: you know? So it'll be interesting to see what happens
• 46:24
  Speaker 3: there as like the pieces start to get stripped away
• 46:26
  Speaker 3: because I think there's some real fear that if it's not,
• 46:31
  Speaker 3: the Monstars around them, if it's not like all these,
• 46:33
  Speaker 3: you know, Pro Bowl-level players, because this is what it
• 46:35
  Speaker 3: looks like when they're there. And like A.J. Brown, Devonta Smith,
• 46:39
  Speaker 3: those guys are still in their prime. They're still in
• 46:40
  Speaker 3: their 20s, man. If this is what it looks like now,
• 46:42
  Speaker 3: what's it going to look like three years from now?
• 46:44
  Speaker 3: And I think that's where I kind of get concerned
• 46:47
  Speaker 3: for the Eagles because he is not a load-bearing quarterback.
• 46:49
  Speaker 3: He's good enough for what they have, but that's not
• 46:54
  Speaker 3: always going to be the case, like that they have
• 46:56
  Speaker 3: this or they continue to hit at this rate.
• 46:58
  Speaker 1: I kind of wish that football was a little bit
• 47:01
  Speaker 1: more like a regular job because can you imagine like
• 47:06
  Speaker 1: in some other job, the equivalents or.
• 47:08
  Speaker 4: The analogs to A.J.
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: Brown and Devontae Smith and then five o'clock come and
• 47:14
  Speaker 1: they get off work and they pull up to that bar,
• 47:17
  Speaker 1: loosen up that tie, undo that button and they ask
• 47:22
  Speaker 1: for a double. And then they just sit there and
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: they just start complaining.
• 47:26
  Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying? Just start unloading.
• 47:31
  Speaker 3: Man, this dude today, this dude today. But it shouldn't
• 47:36
  Speaker 3: be this frustrating, you know? It shouldn't be this frustrating. Like,
• 47:40
  Speaker 3: you have a supporting cast that any quarterback would kill for.
• 47:46
  Speaker 3: And this place, like, this is all about, like, right place,
• 47:49
  Speaker 3: right timing. Like, this is not a slight against Jalen
• 47:52
  Speaker 3: Hurts that he's here. But I mean, how many quarterbacks
• 47:57
  Speaker 3: could you put in that offense? Like just one for
• 47:59
  Speaker 3: one swap. And you feel like you can blow the
• 48:01
  Speaker 3: roof off of anyone, basically. Because that to me is
• 48:06
  Speaker 3: one of the most interesting thought experiments that obviously you
• 48:09
  Speaker 3: can never do in the NFL. If we could just
• 48:11
  Speaker 3: swap quarterbacks like one for one, one for one, what
• 48:14
  Speaker 3: would this stuff look like? And I feel like I
• 48:17
  Speaker 3: know enough about the supporting cast and what I've seen
• 48:21
  Speaker 3: over the past few years to know that they're not
• 48:22
  Speaker 3: being maximized.
• 48:24
  Speaker 2: Both. Two games this year, they had a full half
• 48:29
  Speaker 2: with zero completions. Zero. Zero.
• 48:33
  Speaker 3: And going back to last year even, they have these
• 48:37
  Speaker 3: halves where they can't throw the ball at all. And
• 48:41
  Speaker 3: I don't understand why you can watch someone miss a
• 48:44
  Speaker 3: throw and then you have to say, well, no, he's
• 48:46
  Speaker 3: actually one of the seven to eight best quarterbacks.
• 48:49
  Speaker 2: In the league.
• 48:49
  Speaker 3: No, he's in a good spot. And it's been fun
• 48:52
  Speaker 3: to watch, and that's about it to me.
• 48:55
  Speaker 1: It's difficult to answer, but I'm going to ask you
• 48:57
  Speaker 1: one more question before we get out of here.
• 49:00
  Speaker 4: Who going to coach the Falcons, bro?
• 49:06
  Speaker 2: Man. I think they want John Harbaugh. That's what it
• 49:10
  Speaker 2: seems like.
• 49:11
  Speaker 4: Okay, so who go coach the Falcons?
• 49:13
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 49:17
  Speaker 2: Oh man. I look, I want my, my top choice
• 49:21
  Speaker 2: is Kevin Stefanski.
• 49:23
  Speaker 1: Cause I, I, man, I, you just want the Shador
• 49:26
  Speaker 1: people to never get off your neck.
• 49:29
  Speaker 2: I mean, he's a two time coach of the year.
• 49:30
  Speaker 2: They had the best screen game in the NFL last year.
• 49:34
  Speaker 2: They were doing a lot of cool stuff. I don't
• 49:36
  Speaker 2: think that the guy, that guy's forgotten.
• 49:38
  Speaker 3: How the coach, because the two quarterbacks that they pick
• 49:42
  Speaker 3: didn't pan out for them last season.
• 49:43
  Speaker 2: So that's my number one, but who will they pick?
• 49:46
  Speaker 2: Probably someone a little bit underwhelming.
• 49:47
  Speaker 3: Uh, I mean, this Matt Ryan stuff, I gotta say, I, I,
• 49:53
  Speaker 3: I am very thankful for his time as a Falcon. Uh,
• 49:58
  Speaker 3: he's obviously you know one of the greatest players in
• 50:00
  Speaker 3: franchise history but like yo you're really just gonna let
• 50:03
  Speaker 3: him run the whole thing like the whole thing when
• 50:08
  Speaker 3: when is he coached like any scouting front office like
• 50:12
  Speaker 3: management stuff really he just gets to be in charge
• 50:14
  Speaker 3: of all of it that fast i don't know because.
• 50:17
  Speaker 2: It seems to me like his only qualification is knowing the.
• 50:20
  Speaker 4: Owner which is, you know, it being Matt Ryan being
• 50:24
  Speaker 4: Matt Ryan, right?
• 50:24
  Speaker 3: Like he's, he's, he's, he's probably the best player, you know, not,
• 50:28
  Speaker 3: not the best player to me, Julio Jones.
• 50:30
  Speaker 2: That's, that's, that's number one. Uh, but as far as like, Mr.
• 50:34
  Speaker 3: Falcon, like you're probably looking at Matt Ryan for that.
• 50:37
  Speaker 4: He's the most important player in the history of the franchise.
• 50:39
  Speaker 3: By far, by far. Um, But man, that's a lot
• 50:43
  Speaker 3: of decision-making. But luckily, it's the Falcons, so there ain't
• 50:46
  Speaker 3: going to be too many people expecting that much from you.
• 50:49
  Speaker 3: If you mess up, that's just kind of another day.
• 50:52
  Speaker 3: But man, I don't know who's going to be coaching,
• 50:54
  Speaker 3: but I know I'm probably not going to be happy
• 50:55
  Speaker 3: with it. I could see them doing... I want Stefanski.
• 51:01
  Speaker 3: I would take Harbaugh because I know he's probably going
• 51:03
  Speaker 3: to build a good staff. The one that's scary to
• 51:04
  Speaker 3: me is Clint Kubiak because... like nobody's a little concerned
• 51:08
  Speaker 3: that two years in a row, two different spots, your
• 51:10
  Speaker 3: offense just kind of hit the wall mid season.
• 51:11
  Speaker 2: And you can't really do anything.
• 51:14
  Speaker 3: Like when you watch Kubiak, Clint Kubiak, it's like, it's
• 51:18
  Speaker 3: like a, now that's what I call Shanahan's offense out.
• 51:21
  Speaker 3: You know, it's just like the greatest hits, but it's
• 51:23
  Speaker 3: not actually like, like strung together in a coherent way.
• 51:26
  Speaker 3: And that's kind of why they end up in these ruts.
• 51:28
  Speaker 3: It's like, Oh, we have another play action pass to JSN.
• 51:30
  Speaker 2: Well, let's do that. Let's do that.
• 51:31
  Speaker 3: But you know, I got more questions there. Like the
• 51:34
  Speaker 3: idea that he's to, Surefire candidate. I'm not quite buying
• 51:37
  Speaker 3: that one.
• 51:38
  Speaker 1: Bruh, I saw something where Diana had tweeted after Harbaugh
• 51:42
  Speaker 1: left Baltimore that maybe Baltimore would be excited about Cliff
• 51:48
  Speaker 1: Kingsbury and what he could do with Lamar Jackson. Yeah,
• 51:52
  Speaker 1: and I'm just like, wow, we are going to keep
• 51:55
  Speaker 1: doing this, huh?
• 51:57
  Speaker 4: He is a college offensive coordinator.
• 52:00
  Speaker 1: I think that he could be very good as a
• 52:02
  Speaker 1: college offensive coordinator. but he stayed getting fired if people
• 52:06
  Speaker 1: want to give him better jobs.
• 52:07
  Speaker 4: It's amazing.
• 52:09
  Speaker 3: I was a little surprised that Cliff got fired this
• 52:11
  Speaker 3: time because I did not think that he was necessarily
• 52:15
  Speaker 3: the problem.
• 52:15
  Speaker 4: What were they going to do this year?
• 52:17
  Speaker 3: I mean, someone should have just manned up and fired
• 52:20
  Speaker 3: the entire coaching staff, but that's a problem for probably
• 52:24
  Speaker 3: next year that we're going to run into.
• 52:25
  Speaker 2: Man, Cliff as your head coach? We already seen that.
• 52:30
  Speaker 2: We already seen that.
• 52:31
  Speaker 3: And that is one of those like, well, you should
• 52:34
  Speaker 3: have just kept John Harbaugh at that point and just
• 52:36
  Speaker 3: run it back.
• 52:37
  Speaker 4: Yeah, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. You can't
• 52:38
  Speaker 4: come sail to the people.
• 52:39
  Speaker 2: No, you can't. You can't do that. And look, if
• 52:41
  Speaker 2: you want Cliff to.
• 52:41
  Speaker 1: Run the offense, I might be inclined to listen to that.
• 52:44
  Speaker 1: But I thought of Cliff just because you mentioned your
• 52:46
  Speaker 1: offense hits the wall.
• 52:48
  Speaker 2: Yes. Yeah.
• 52:49
  Speaker 3: And that's what happens. And you know what can't happen
• 52:51
  Speaker 3: with Lamar Jackson right now? Because he might explode. Like,
• 52:54
  Speaker 3: you running out of ideas on offense.
• 52:56
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 52:56
  Speaker 3: Like, see, that's another piece of this. Like, the bar
• 53:00
  Speaker 3: has been set so high For this job, Todd Monken,
• 53:05
  Speaker 3: who basically was the savior post-Greg Roman and revolutionized that offense,
• 53:10
  Speaker 3: got them throwing the ball in a more professional manner.
• 53:14
  Speaker 3: He said, at the end of the season, when John
• 53:18
  Speaker 3: got let go, I guess I didn't coach Samar well enough.
• 53:21
  Speaker 2: Bro, you got him an MVP.
• 53:23
  Speaker 3: You helped him do 41 touchdowns, four interceptions last year.
• 53:29
  Speaker 2: If that's not good enough, then... Dude, that job, it's Alabama.
• 53:34
  Speaker 2: It's Alabama.
• 53:35
  Speaker 3: That's what I'm saying.
• 53:36
  Speaker 4: They can't afford you to just go get a young guy.
• 53:38
  Speaker 2: No, no.
• 53:39
  Speaker 3: Like the youngest person you could probably get that the
• 53:42
  Speaker 3: city and the team would buy into, which I actually
• 53:44
  Speaker 3: think is kind of a good idea, would be.
• 53:45
  Speaker 2: Like Brian Flores, depending on what's going on with him.
• 53:48
  Speaker 3: Because that dude has no business being a defensive coordinator
• 53:51
  Speaker 3: still in the NFL.
• 53:53
  Speaker 2: I mean, I know what's going on there. But hey,
• 53:55
  Speaker 2: someone's going to have to bite the bullet.
• 53:59
  Speaker 4: I do not recommend hiring that man.
• 54:04
  Speaker 2: But he's already got the quarterback. He was right about Tua.
• 54:07
  Speaker 2: He was right about Tua.
• 54:08
  Speaker 4: He was right about Tua.
• 54:11
  Speaker 1: I don't think hiring that man is a great idea.
• 54:15
  Speaker 1: Some people are really, really good defensive coordinators. There are
• 54:20
  Speaker 1: parts of interacting with other human beings that None of
• 54:26
  Speaker 1: those Belichick guys. That's the thing with me. I am
• 54:29
  Speaker 1: out on all the Belichick guys. None of them have
• 54:32
  Speaker 1: worked out. The closest to working out is Bill O'Brien.
• 54:35
  Speaker 1: And what's his issue? Interacting with human beings.
• 54:39
  Speaker 2: Well, okay.
• 54:42
  Speaker 4: Brian Daybold. What's his issue?
• 54:45
  Speaker 1: Interacting with human beings.
• 54:46
  Speaker 3: Angry little elf sometimes. Brian Floyd is like The thing
• 54:54
  Speaker 3: that's kind of fascinating to me is when he got
• 54:57
  Speaker 3: the job, they were so bad that I'll never forget this.
• 55:01
  Speaker 3: Dominique was going on TV saying that it was unethical.
• 55:04
  Speaker 2: Like the roster.
• 55:05
  Speaker 4: Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. He and I were on this together.
• 55:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 55:08
  Speaker 4: He did a great job.
• 55:10
  Speaker 2: They won 10 games year two.
• 55:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 55:12
  Speaker 3: And nine games year three. And you know what they've
• 55:15
  Speaker 3: done since then? Like they've gotten worse since he left, basically.
• 55:19
  Speaker 3: Or they plateaued.
• 55:21
  Speaker 4: I'm just telling you. Or asking you.
• 55:25
  Speaker 1: Where's the person from that Miami time with a good
• 55:28
  Speaker 1: thing to say?
• 55:29
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 55:33
  Speaker 4: Who are the coaches that worked with him who have
• 55:36
  Speaker 4: a good thing to say?
• 55:38
  Speaker 2: Oh, probably not many. Probably not many.
• 55:40
  Speaker 4: This is all I'm saying is.
• 55:43
  Speaker 1: I, if you decide to hire him, I understand why
• 55:47
  Speaker 1: you might.
• 55:49
  Speaker 4: I would not hire that man.
• 55:51
  Speaker 3: I would be interested to know what he's learned. in
• 55:54
  Speaker 3: the past four years since he left Miami, because he's
• 55:58
  Speaker 3: been with Tomlin who, you know, pulled him out the
• 56:00
  Speaker 3: ashes and basically resurrected his career and let him call
• 56:03
  Speaker 3: plays for the Steelers. And they had a really good
• 56:04
  Speaker 3: defense that year goes to Minnesota with Kevin O'Connell, who
• 56:08
  Speaker 3: I still think is one of the brightest, uh, offensive minds. And,
• 56:11
  Speaker 3: you know, does the same thing there, uh, as a
• 56:13
  Speaker 3: defensive coordinator where like, dude, they won a game with
• 56:16
  Speaker 3: three passing yards against the lions. Sorry, bring it up
• 56:18
  Speaker 3: to close the season on, on Christmas. Uh, I would
• 56:22
  Speaker 3: be interested just to know what he's learned, at least
• 56:24
  Speaker 3: in an interview, because it's so hard to just find
• 56:28
  Speaker 3: someone who you just, and for like the Ravens, like
• 56:30
  Speaker 3: this is their biggest problem to start with. You're like
• 56:33
  Speaker 3: someone who you just plow them in and you know, oh,
• 56:34
  Speaker 3: my defense is fine. Because like, who's the best player
• 56:38
  Speaker 3: in the Vikings defense? I don't know, but they're good.
• 56:41
  Speaker 3: Like they're really good.
• 56:42
  Speaker 4: He's an excellent defensive coordinator.
• 56:45
  Speaker 2: He's so good that you might think about saying if
• 56:47
  Speaker 2: we already have Lamar, We need to fix our defense.
• 56:51
  Speaker 2: Maybe we just throw him the keys.
• 56:52
  Speaker 1: Maybe we hire him as our defensive coordinator and pay
• 56:57
  Speaker 1: him lots of money.
• 56:58
  Speaker 2: That is true. His contract is expired, so he's a
• 57:00
  Speaker 2: free agent.
• 57:01
  Speaker 1: Hey, man, there's something to be said for the guy
• 57:03
  Speaker 1: that you can make the head coach of the defense,
• 57:04
  Speaker 1: which is not the same thing.
• 57:05
  Speaker 4: As the defensive coordinator. You know what I mean? Those
• 57:07
  Speaker 4: guys are just like, okay, that's your side of the room.
• 57:10
  Speaker 2: Not even talking to you about it.
• 57:11
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Whatever you say we're going to do.
• 57:15
  Speaker 5: All right, cool.
• 57:15
  Speaker 4: You ain't even really got to come to these other meetings.
• 57:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 57:18
  Speaker 4: If you could just send me an email, that would
• 57:19
  Speaker 4: be fantastic.
• 57:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah.
• 57:22
  Speaker 3: I got to ride for flow, though, especially this year
• 57:25
  Speaker 3: where there's nine head coaching openings.
• 57:27
  Speaker 5: Come on.
• 57:28
  Speaker 2: Someone's got to bite. Someone's got to bite.
• 57:30
  Speaker 1: I mean, it's the– No, they don't. You know damn
• 57:36
  Speaker 1: well they don't.
• 57:39
  Speaker 2: He's only 44, bro. What if things have changed? What
• 57:41
  Speaker 2: if they've changed?
• 57:42
  Speaker 4: They don't have to do anything right.
• 57:45
  Speaker 3: He apologized in a press conference to Tua when he
• 57:48
  Speaker 3: was the coach.
• 57:49
  Speaker 2: Of another team.
• 57:50
  Speaker 3: That's... Okay, that actually might be enough to say no,
• 57:54
  Speaker 3: because that was strange to me.
• 57:55
  Speaker 4: No one is obligated to do anything, and we ain't
• 58:00
  Speaker 4: even talked about the fact that he's suing them.
• 58:02
  Speaker 2: I know, I know.
• 58:03
  Speaker 4: We ain't even get there.
• 58:06
  Speaker 3: Yeah, well, because I think if he was suing them,
• 58:08
  Speaker 3: he would have been hired probably last year or something
• 58:10
  Speaker 3: like that.
• 58:11
  Speaker 4: I'm not as sure of that as you are.
• 58:15
  Speaker 3: Maybe I'm off on this, but I just feel like
• 58:18
  Speaker 3: the results have been so overwhelmingly good.
• 58:20
  Speaker 1: I think that he has done an excellent job as
• 58:23
  Speaker 1: the defensive coordinator.
• 58:26
  Speaker 2: No interest. No interest.
• 58:28
  Speaker 4: Not for me. Not for me.
• 58:31
  Speaker 1: That is Charles McDonald, by the way, ladies and gentlemen.
• 58:34
  Speaker 1: Check him out at Yahoo Sports covering the NFL. My brother,
• 58:37
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• 58:39
  Speaker 3: I'm going to put a headline up. Imani Jones doesn't
• 58:41
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• 58:42
  Speaker 4: Don't do this.
• 58:43
  Speaker 2: Don't do this.
• 58:44
  Speaker 4: Don't do this. I got you, Brian. Fight some power. Yeah, yeah.
• 58:49
  Speaker 4: So that's your plan, huh? Try to get them off
• 58:51
  Speaker 4: the Shador hunt.
• 58:52
  Speaker 3: That's right. This black man from Honduras, that's my guy.
• 58:58
  Speaker 3: That's going to be my beacon out of this.
• 59:00
  Speaker 4: I see.
• 59:01
  Speaker 1: Charles McDonald. Ladies and gentlemen, thanks so much for joining
• 59:03
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• 59:22
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