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JA MORANT takes shots at KLAY THOMPSON: Who's right in their BEEF? · NY's Sports Loud Mouth (VIDEO)

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talking to 27 year MLP official scorer, the one, the only Howie
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Carpin. How are you, Howie?
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Hey, great to be with you guys. Impressive.
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Well, you know my father's name and may rest in peace.
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My father's name was Howard. And I used to when my father
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used to walk into the room, I used to go Howie and my friends
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used to start cracking up and laughing.
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So you know, it kind of, you know, I miss it.
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I miss doing out my, my father was an important part of my life
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and his name was Howard. And and now I have another
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Howie. So I had to do the Howie.
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So how are you, Mr. Howie? Doing well.
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Thank you right to be with you guys.
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Well, you look good and, but before we get into your, your
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career and what you're doing right now, I, I have to ask you,
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how old are you? I have 7171.
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You're 71 and you've been in, you've been in baseball,
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involved in baseball for 27 years.
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No longer 46 years. 46 that's impressive.
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That's impressive. That's that's half.
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That's more than half of your life.
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It's a long, it's a lot of ball games and I saw a Java his whole
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career. So you know, I saw him a lot of
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times and made a lot of great relationships over the years.
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It's been very special. Well, it's, it's pretty special
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when you hear that you've been involved with baseball and the
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MLB for over 40 years. And I, I want to get into what
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you've been doing over the last 27 and you've been official
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scorer for that long. And what does an official scorer
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do when it comes to the MLB? Well, to put it simply, you
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create the box score, you're involved with the stats,
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everything except one loss. You know, you make you make the
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subjective judgement calls on hits and errors, pass balls and
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wild pitches, earned runs and unearned runs, and you're
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responsible for a whole bunch of things and end up in the box
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score. And then in baseball, it's taken
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pretty seriously. You know, the stats are kind of
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like sacred almost. So you have a big part in in how
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things are played out. And sometimes you actually
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affect the players contracting in indirect ways.
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And it's a big responsibility. It's a lot of pressure.
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We call it the hot seat, especially in New York, where
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they take their baseball very seriously and we get to work.
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Two teams in New York. Not a lot of not a lot of cities
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can claim that. LA, you know, you got the Angels
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and the Dodgers and you know, Chicago, you have the Cubs and
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the White Sox and obviously the Yankees and Mets in New York.
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And right now I'm senior scorer in New York.
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And, you know, it's a big responsibility, but I enjoy it
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immensely. It's it's pressurized at times.
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You know, it depends on the circumstances of a game.
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But you know, I've seen a lot of baseball over the years.
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And to this day, I still enjoy good.
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I'm privileged to get in the ballpark for free.
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You know, I don't have to pay. And I get a prime seat up in the
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press box and interact with a lot of great people.
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So you're Anthony Volpe's best friend?
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Is that what you're telling me? Not always.
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Well, he's going to need a lot of friends because he was
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absolutely putrid this year. Speaking of, another putrid
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player is Chuck Knobloch. So over the years, the Yankees
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have had interesting players. Oh, by the way, we're Gold Glove
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winners and then became just absolutely horrible defenders.
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I just had to add that one. So go ahead, Speedy.
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I was going to ask, you mentioned that like a lot of the
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players having being an incentive value in their
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contract, one extra hit, one extra, I guess a different type
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of out for a pitcher, stuff like that kind of thing.
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Like any personal like experiences with like stories
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that you could tell over the years of like maybe players that
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have kind of up to you or managers and maybe it came up to
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you with any kind of instances like that.
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Well, how many hours do you have?
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I've got a lot of experiences, but I'll give you some of the
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main ones over the years. Speaking of Maine, I don't know
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if you guys remember a guy named Brent Maine.
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Jabba may know him. He was a backup catcher for the
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Royals and the Mets, and it was a interleague game in 2002 at
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Chase Stadium. Royals and Mets and Maine came
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up with the bases loaded and two out.
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Yeah, it was 2 out. And he's not exactly a speed
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demon on the bases, so he hit a like a swinging bunt toward
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third and he falls down coming out of the batter's box.
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Edgardo Alfonso was the 3rd baseman that day.
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Now he could have simply gloved the ball and rolled it to 1st
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and he would have had mane by two steps.
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But for some strange reason he tries to play it barehanded like
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it was what we call a do or die play.
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So I called it an E5, no RBI because it was 2 out and he
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would have had them at first. So apparently after the game,
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they they called me, the Royals called me up in the press box,
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called me on the press box phone.
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And the public relations director got on the phone and
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said, did you look at the call? And I said yeah.
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And I said I'm not changing it. And then they put Brent Main on
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the phone and he wasn't exactly friendly, let's put it that way.
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He got on the phone and they the first words out of his mouth
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came in a very angry tone. How the F can you make that
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effing call? And I told him I said, look you,
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you fell down coming out-of-the-box.
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And he didn't deny it. And then he got mad at me for
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another call that didn't even involve him in the game.
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It was another Royals batter with a line drive to MO Vaughn
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at first who simply had a pick up his arms to catch it and went
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off his glove into right field. He didn't even have to leave the
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ground. I called that an error because
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that's a Major League first baseman.
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He's got to make that play. And then he goes, how how can
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you make that F and call? And I said, well, in my
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judgement, that's an error. And then he said that's horse,
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you know, crap judgement. And then he slammed down the
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phone. So I thought the incident was
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over. Anyway, in those days in 2002,
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we had to make out the box score manually.
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Now we do it by computer, the box score form, which ends up as
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the box score that you see in the papers.
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So after it was done, my job was to take it down to the PR office
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where they would fax it to Elias.
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Elias Sports Bureau keeps the stats.
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And I ran into Gary Cohn on the way toward the office and he was
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working radio that day. Apparently he was all over me
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for the call. And we got into a little
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argument over it. And then I I just squashed it
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right then and there. I said, look, I got to go.
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So I went down the office, gave him the form and went home that
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night. And one of my best friends
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called me on the phone. He said, you know, Gary was all
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over you on the radio today. I said, so that's his
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prerogative. Anyway, I thought it was over.
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That was a Sunday. Then on Monday, a guy named Bob
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Raisman, who writes the media column for the Daily News,
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called me up. He got wind of the incident
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because my mentor was there that day, Bill Shannon, who did a lot
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of games for over 35 years, and he was the one that got me the
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job. But when he wasn't scoring a
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game, he would he would go down the locker room as like, you
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know, like a Stringer for The Associated Press.
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Apparently the players all surrounded him that day because
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they thought he was doing the game.
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But it turns out that Bob Raisman got wind of the
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incident, called me up. You know, we interviewed me
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about 10 minutes. I gave my comments.
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I said to my wife, I'm going to get my name in the Daily News
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tomorrow. And then I pick up the paper on
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Tuesday. And it was the column was all
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about that incident, the whole a whole page column about that
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incident where they have in my scrapbook that that was probably
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one of the most notable things. And then there was the, you
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know, pop up with a Rod and Jeter in 2005 against the
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Orioles. Jabba wasn't there yet.
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That was you, so I remember that.
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Yeah, you remember that and I do remember, in fact, ESPN did a
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feature on me last year for SportsCenter and they showed
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that play. I first called error on a rod
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because, you know, I only had the front angle of it from from
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the press box and then somebody came over and said you may want
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to look at it because Jeter bumped into his back and made
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him drop the ball. Now in the official scoring
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rules, if that happens, like those collisions in the outfield
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where a guy's under the ball and the other guy runs into him and
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knocks the ball loose, the guy who makes contact gets the
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error. So I had to change that about an
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inning later to E6. And when the report that was the
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height of the A Rod Jeter feud. You know, it was really when
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things really boiled over. And when the reporters asked
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Jeter about it, he didn't know that the change was made.
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And he, let's put it this way, he was not happy about it.
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I happened to go downstairs to the locker room that day, you
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know, just to get some clarity on the play.
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And, you know, I heard Jeter called me over to his locker.
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He was already dressed. And we talked about it.
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And I said, look at the video. And then as as I left the locker
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room to go upstairs at the old stadium, the elevator was by the
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entrance where the players would go out, you know, into the
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parking lot. And I'm standing by the elevator
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and E Jeter comes out with his suitcase, or is it, you know,
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his roller bag. And he calls me over again in
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front of all the reporters because we were a bunch of us
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waiting to go upstairs. And he he asked about it again.
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I told him, look at the video. You bumped into him.
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I said, those are the rules. I have to abide by that.
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Then that became a whole big story.
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The next day, one of the one of the reporters wrote that Jeter
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Butten holed me up against the wall, which wasn't true.
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There was no physical contact. But our relationship got
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strained for a while. And then, you know, things, you
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know, cleared up a number of years later.
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But Jeter was a guy who, you know, if he, he thought you
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crossed him or whatever, you know, he, he was not a forgiving
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type. And our relationship was
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different after that call. But look, I'm doing my job, you
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know, I mean, I, I understand where the players are coming
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from on certain things. I mean, you know, I, I was a
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player in college. I played Division Three.
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I played ten years in the Bronx Sandlocks.
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You know, I wasn't a Major League talent, but I knew what
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it took to make a play. So that kind of helps me in my
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job. And, you know, having done it
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for 27 years, I think I'm doing something right.
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They didn't get rid of me, so I'm still here.
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And, you know, I enjoy it to this day.
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But those are just some of the things that can happen.
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The confrontations are not as as prevalent as they used to be now
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because they have what they call an appeal system where you can,
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the players actually can file an appeal to get a scoring call
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overturned. So now there's a committee that
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rules on those appeals. It's a bunch of former players,
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three of them, in fact. Dan Otero, former pitcher,
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Gregor Blanco, former outfielder and Raja Davis, former outfit
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who hit that home run in the 2016 World Series in Game 7 for
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Cleveland, say. I've gotten a relationship with
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him directly as we talk a lot about the calls.
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But you know it, it's an interesting concept what goes on
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with the scoring because so many people take it seriously.
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Fans, players and baseball personnel included.
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Hi, there's got to be and you've done it a long time and I this
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is a loaded question, but we all have like those special games,
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whether it's moments, whether it's like, you know, there's got
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to be one game or one situation that stands out to you the most
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in all your years. And the game can it can be good
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or bad reasons for it, But tell us about one game or one
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situation where it just for good or bad, you just can't ever
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forget it. Well, I've done a number of very
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famous games. I did the final game at Chase
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Stadium in 2008. I did Rodger Clemens 300th win
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at Yankee Stadium when he also had got his four thousandth
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strikeout. And I did a I've done 2 combined
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no hitters by the Astros over the Mets, actually 19 years
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apart. But probably the, the most
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memorable game, memorable game I'll remember is Game 4, the
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2001 World Series when Tino Martinez tied it up in the
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bottom of the ninth. The stadium job of that night
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was literally shaking the building, the foundation, You
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could feel it. It was almost like a mild
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earthquake. The stadium was rocking, I mean,
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literally rocking at that point, and I'll never forget it.
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And then Jeter ended the game in the bottom of extra innings.
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You know, when he became Mr. November because the game went
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up past midnight. It was October 31st, the date of
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the game. And then when he ended the game,
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the same thing happened. The place was just erupted.
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It was an incredible experience that I'll never forget.
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That's probably the most notable game I can remember.
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But I've done, I've done a lot of, you know, wacky games in, in
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my career too. I mean, I had a 19 inning Red
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Sox, Yankee game that went over 7 hours.
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So, you know, that's, that's the beauty of it.
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You never know what you're going to get on a certain night.
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And then there's nights where you see something that you never
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saw before. I had to get, I did a playoff
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game last year, yeah 20/20/24 against Cleveland where we had
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two obstruction calls on the same play and that had never
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happened in a playoff game. You know, with the scoring with
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that was a little confusing as to someone gets an error on the
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play, but it happened on the same guy.
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Tim Hill was the pitcher. He obstructed the runner twice,
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but he only luckily only got 1 error out of it.
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But you know who where he gets the error, where the real
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obstruction was, you know, the umpires had the huddle and and
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make that knife. I was told that that was the
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first time ever that there were two obstructions on the same
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play in a postseason game. So there's a lot of crazy things
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that happen that are really not accounted for in the rule book,
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and sometimes you just have to use your common sense to make a
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call. We are talking to 27 year MLB
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official scorer Howie Carpen. He's written over 14 sports
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books and he works for SiriusXM Radio and Kinder's Corner.
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You know Howie, there's a lot when it when it comes to
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baseball on the transition. You've been around baseball for
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over 40 years so you see it at all.
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And now the transition from Bud Selig to Manford and, and
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Manford could be gone in 2026. He says he's going to retire.
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But with all these different rule changes and the transition
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of the rule changes, do you like these rule changes?
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And do you think baseball should be tampered with the way it has
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been? I don't like the runner on
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second rule and extra innings to start.
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I'd like to see a change in that rule to at least play 3 real
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extra innings. And then if you get to like the
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13th, 14th inning, then start using that runner as I told you
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I would, did a 19 inning Red Sox, Yankee game.
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And as much as I love baseball, it's a passion.
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The games can get draggy when they they go into those extended
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extra innings when nothing's happening.
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Now you had that 18 inning game in the World Series just
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completed. You know that that that's real
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drama. I mean, that keeps you, you
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know, captivated for the time, but for a regular season game,
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it can really drag, you know, when nothings happening.
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But that, you know, I, I don't like it that it occurs in the
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10th. I'd like to see it, you know,
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change to at least play 3 real extra innings or 4 or whatever
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and then start to use that in the later innings.
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The pitch clock has been beneficial.
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I mean, it's hurts. It hurts it some of the pitchers
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in a way or or the hitters that they can't step out-of-the-box
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so much to upset a pitcher's rhythm at times, which was a
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strategic part of the game. I remember I did the 2022 Wild
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Card Series with the Mets and Padres.
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I did the deciding game three and the Padre hitters kept
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stepping out-of-the-box against Chris Bassett because they knew
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they would upset his rhythm. Bob Melvin was the manager of
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the Padres. He had Bassett the year before
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with the A's. And he kind of knew something
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about Bassett to upset his rhythm.
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And I never saw the Padre pitters step out so much.
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You can't do that anymore. But it does speed up the game.
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I I understand some of the rule changes, but I'm a
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traditionalist. You know, I go back to the old
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days without the designated hitter, you know, for both
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leagues where pitchers battered all the time.
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And I realized these changes had to be made.
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And, and it goes along with the territory.
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I mean, as scorers, our job has changed, you know, with that,
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along with those changes, with the rules.
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So look, changes are going to happen.
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You can't and nothing you can do to prevent it.
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You have to adapt. And I've tried to adapt over the
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years as well. So I want to ask about you work
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for Kiner's Corner, Ralph Kiner, obviously one of the best
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baseball players and one of the best broadcasters, like
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collectively all around like impacting the game so much.
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I remember when I started watching baseball in around
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2005, like he was in the SNY booth like after when he was
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older too. And I always loved seeing him.
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Do you have any really cool stories of Ralph that you know?
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I didn't really interact with Ralph a whole lot while he was
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still broadcasting. I was early in my career.
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And, you know, his later years, the last few years when I first
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started scoring, but I do remember when he would come into
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the press room after a game, you know, he was so revered that
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people would would go over to him and, you know, offer to get
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him a drink from the bar or just, you know, they wanted to
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do things for him. He was so well liked.
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He was a really nice man. I mean, you know, very, very
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cordial, very well liked, revered by all the people that
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worked there. And he treated everybody the
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same. He didn't really, you know,
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treat anybody any special. So that that's basically what I
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remember about him. I'm more in tune with the, you
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know, more recent guys like Ron Darling, Gary Cohn and Keith
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Hernandez. You know, they, they like, you
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know, we have a good relationship going, you know,
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even though I had that incident with Gary all those years ago,
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but you know, we've, you know, mended the ways and, and they
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love talking about me on the games.
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They mentioned me a lot during the game.
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I remember. That funny?
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Sorry. I said I remember that a lot
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like our scorer Howie has this like I remember here again, now
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I get the interview. It's.
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Cool. You know, you know, it's funny
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when they mentioned me on a game, my phone starts to light
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up with texts from my friends and said, oh, you got a shout
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out on TV and I'm not looking at the phone while the game's going
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on, but I'll check in between innings.
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And, you know, we have our interactions and Gary's, you
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know, all three of them have been very complimentary of me
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over the years. And I really appreciate that.
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One time, true story. One time Gary verbatim actually
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called me the best scorer that ever lived.
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I don't know if I can live up to that kind of, you know, praise.
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But you know, we got along well with the with those 3 and I'm
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honored to interact with them because, you know, they're
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regarded as maybe the best three man booth in the sport.
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So as a baseball fan, you obviously been fortunate enough
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to to be a part of the game for a long time in a in a job sense,
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but you're also a fan and we all have our favorite players.
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Who is who is your favorite player growing up and then now
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like as you've been able to call so many games, watch so many
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games, make decisions, your favorite player to watch.
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Well, my favorite player growing up was Mickey Mantle.
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I'm watching, I've been watching baseball since 1961, you know,
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and I grew up on Mantle and I was a big Mantle fan.
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You know, I, I have friend friendly relationships with a
22:31
number of the players. And you certainly know this guy,
22:34
Willie Randolph, you know, he, he was so nice to me in the
22:37
early going when I was a young reporter.
22:40
He treated me like an equal and, and we got, got to have a real
22:43
good relationship over the years.
22:45
And I remember when he he was the met manager, you know, I was
22:48
close to him at that point. I was a big fan of his as a as a
22:51
manager. I thought he got the the short
22:54
end of the stick the way, you know, that he was dismissed and
22:58
everything like that. He's one of my favorites since I
23:02
got in the business. You know, Derek Jeter was a
23:05
friend for a while until, you know, that incident with the pop
23:08
up. So, you know, you get to these
23:11
relationships with guys, you can't root, you know, openly.
23:15
You have to be neutral. But I grew up a Yankee fan.
23:18
I was a big, I'm a big Yankee fan.
23:20
To this day inside, you know, I still root for them when I can.
23:24
I can't do it at the ballpark. Obviously, you have to be down
23:27
the middle. But you know, I still root for
23:30
the Yankees. I like the Met people, too,
23:32
because the Mets have treated me well over the years.
23:34
I wasn't a big Met fan growing up, but I watched a lot of Met
23:37
games in the old days on Channel 9, WOR in New York.
23:41
You know, they were on all the time and we got to see the
23:43
National League that way. So, you know, I've had some
23:47
thrills over the years. One time I got to meet Willie
23:49
Mays. I got to meet, you know, I was
23:53
friendly with the late Tom Seaver, who actually, when he
23:55
started broadcasting, he would come out of the booth, ask
23:59
scoring questions because he was fascinated by the whole, you
24:03
know, official scoring and he wanted to learn about it.
24:06
I was flattered that he would come up to me and ask me
24:08
questions, and we got a relationship out of that.
24:10
So like I said, that's that's the great part about it.
24:14
You know, the relationship with the players.
24:16
When I was first starting out in the business, I was just a radio
24:19
guy, you know, you know those guys, Jabba, they'd hold your
24:22
mic and get a sound bite and sell it to a station.
24:25
And a lot of the players didn't respect the guys like that
24:28
because they didn't think they took the job seriously.
24:30
But I wasn't like that. I took the job seriously even
24:33
though I wasn't a beat reporter, really didn't get to know the
24:37
players on an intimate basis like a lot of the beat reporters
24:40
do. And, and I would ask serious
24:42
questions that the beat reporters needed for their
24:45
answers. So I built the relationship and
24:47
and a reputation that way that people knew I was a little more
24:51
serious than just your, you know, average radio guy who was
24:54
just there to ask the generic question like, how do you feel
24:58
or what's it feel like? And, you know, that would drive
25:01
me crazy. I hated that and the.
25:03
Same. The same question they asked
25:05
every time. Yeah, exactly.
25:07
And to get grouped in like that really bothered me because I was
25:10
serious about it. And, and then things changed
25:13
when I got the scoring job, you know, there was more interaction
25:17
with the old timers, you know, like you, you weren't there when
25:21
Dick Young was there, you know, but I'm sure you heard his name
25:24
a number of times. You know, if Phil Pepe was there
25:27
and you know, Bill Madden, you know about, you know, he, you
25:31
know, he treated me a lot differently once I got the
25:34
scoring job, you know, with a little more respect and a little
25:37
more acknowledgement that I was a serious baseball reporter than
25:41
just a guy who held the microphone.
25:43
I hate reporters and I hate when they try to interact and they
25:46
try to declare something that you're thinking in your head
25:49
when you have no idea what that person is thinking in their head
25:52
when they're getting interviewed.
25:54
And that's why whenever I interview somebody, I completely
25:57
go off off the, the cuff. I don't really, really want to
26:02
stick them with something that everybody asks them because to
26:05
me it's a turn off when you're, when you're speaking, you're
26:08
interviewing somebody, you want them to remember you.
26:10
You don't want them to say, oh, there's that idiot asking me the
26:13
same old garbage. Everybody else asks me.
26:16
And so I never, when I interview people, I don't ever want to hit
26:19
them with anything. When we were at the Super Bowl,
26:22
Howie and, and we were, we were interviewing people and we don't
26:26
have the privilege of like a lot of these guys do.
26:28
So we have to be on our toes because we don't have a time.
26:32
Well, this guy has this time you have 15 minutes.
26:34
Could you interview him? So we don't have time to figure
26:37
out how we're going to ask the question.
26:38
We just got to go right at it and ask him a question or ask
26:41
him enough questions before they have to go.
26:44
It makes you a better interviewer.
26:46
It also gives you the opportunity to find out what and
26:49
how you want to attack something and off the cuff that other
26:53
people probably can't do or are uncomfortable doing, like
26:56
Speedy, Speedy. If Speedy doesn't, if Speedy
26:59
can't write something down, he's not going to interview you
27:02
because he feels uncomfortable trying to dig a little bit
27:05
deeper when he doesn't want to dig deep.
27:08
So I'm one of those guys that will dig and dig and dig until I
27:13
dig a six foot hole and ready to bury you.
27:15
So that's what I like to do. And Jabba, that's How I Met
27:18
Jabba. And Jabba I'll never forget.
27:21
And I'll go back at it all the time because I say it all the
27:23
time. Now that he's a part of the
27:25
show. I, I said, well, how did you
27:27
meet Jabba? And I said, well, he was
27:30
actually a person that came on the show and I interviewed and
27:33
they said, well, well, well, how did it all happen?
27:35
So we reached out to him and Jabba told Speedy, I'm going to
27:38
give you guys 20 minutes. You got 20 minutes to ask as
27:41
many questions you possibly can. And I got to get the hell out.
27:44
So. So I'll never forget it.
27:46
We get him on the show and Jabba's sitting there and he's
27:49
hanging out. And it went from 10 minutes to
27:52
20 minutes to 30 minutes to 40 minutes to 50 minutes to an hour
27:58
to an hour and 20. And before you know, it's an
28:01
hour and 30 minutes. And at the end of the show, I
28:03
said, hey, Jabba, I thought you said you would only have 20
28:06
minutes. He says, wow, this went fast.
28:08
He's like, I can't believe how fast it went.
28:10
So I said, well, I can. And ever since then.
28:14
And then he came on again and I said 20 minutes.
28:16
He says no, we won't have a time limit because I don't know when
28:20
that's going. To end it's funny, the second
28:21
time we had about a fish actually asked more questions
28:23
than me. Yeah, I'll never forget it.
28:27
But now he's obviously a part of the show.
28:30
So it's it's pretty funny when you have somebody on the show or
28:32
we, we even get guests that come on the show and tell us, well, I
28:36
got 1520 minutes. I say, yeah, I'll write 1520
28:39
minutes that never, it never seems to happen that way.
28:43
But before we let you go my friend, because it says you've
28:46
written 14 sports books, tell us how we can find your sports
28:51
books and what what book really sticks out from all the rest.
28:55
Well, I have a page on Amazon, so that that basically is where
28:58
you can find all the books. My last book is probably my
29:02
favorite. It's about sports phone.
29:04
I, I, I know you guys are too young.
29:06
You don't really know what sports phone was basically in,
29:09
in the 1980s, there was a thing called sports phone where you
29:13
could dial A number and get a sports report and get updated
29:18
scores. This is before you had all the
29:19
access on telephones and computers and all that kind of
29:23
stuff. You know, tickers on the, on the
29:26
ESPN screen and all, all the access you have nowadays.
29:30
Sports phone was a place to get your updated scores.
29:34
Now, admittedly, you know, it catered to the gamblers because
29:38
they were very interested in their scores.
29:41
And there you go. 976-1313, a sports phone launched careers
29:46
and broke new ground. I worked there for 12 years.
29:49
That's where my career got started in, in sports media.
29:53
I had no connections. I didn't really know anybody.
29:56
I, I interned at WMCA in, in New York and then I knew they were
30:01
doing a sports show with a guy named Art Rush Junior, who was a
30:04
pioneer because he was the first black sportscaster on local
30:08
television. Art was very, very in tune with
30:11
sports. He knew a lot of people.
30:13
I worked with Art and then Art got me credentials to go to a
30:16
Yankee game. And you know, the first time I'm
30:18
on the field, it was like such a thrill and in the dugout and
30:22
places like that. And I met the guy from sports
30:24
phone and luckily they were expanding.
30:26
I had no, I was getting married in two weeks and I had no job.
30:30
So it was a trying time. In 1980, July 19.
30:34
You still with the same woman? I'm still with the same woman.
30:37
Yeah, go 45 years it. Was the sports book that.
30:41
Was it My wife said. My wife worked in media.
30:44
She was in, she was a newscaster on the radio, WCBS.
30:49
So we were both in the business and we kind of went through the
30:51
same trials and tribulations. But sports phone is where I got
30:54
started. You would call up and we would
30:57
update it every 10 minutes. It was a recording.
30:59
You call up the line and you get a, a sports report like your,
31:03
your man Mr. Fishman just gave you.
31:06
But it was only a minute long and it would be updated every 10
31:09
minutes with scores updated. The latest scores you would get
31:13
every 10 minutes. And now the, the gamblers loved
31:15
it. I mean, you know, there was no
31:17
other access that you could get these scores so, so fast and up
31:20
to date. So it was a big deal in the 80s
31:23
and then when WFAN came into being an ESPN with the ticker
31:27
and then the computers and the phone, sports phone became
31:30
obsolete. But the, the list of alum that
31:33
came through there is, is endless.
31:35
The talent that I'm, I'm a proud, you know, alum of sports
31:39
phone. I'm, I'm, I'm proud to be a
31:41
small part of it. I mean, you talk about the
31:43
people that came through there. Gary Cohn worked there, Howie
31:46
Rose, Steve Torry, who's on SiriusXM.
31:51
You know, there's so many people that came through there and and
31:54
basically got their start in the business.
31:55
So that's probably my favorite book.
31:58
You know, I've done a number of Yankee and Met books, done a
32:00
number of hockey books. So proud to have my name on a
32:04
book. It's a real thrill to see when
32:06
your book comes out. Look, you know, I'm not going to
32:08
win any Pulitzer Prizes, that's for sure.
32:11
But you know, I like the fact that I've been able to do it.
32:14
The computer makes it easy for your research and I've always
32:17
enjoyed writing, so that's kind of like a hobby of mine.
32:20
We really appreciate the time, my friend.
32:22
And one of these days you got to come, you come out and hang out
32:26
with us and maybe we'll go to a game and we'll hang out in the
32:30
the press box and, and kind of get your take on what's going on
32:33
in the baseball game. I mean, I, it would be very
32:37
interested in, I'd be very intrigued on how you look at the
32:40
game, You know, because it's, you've been, you've been
32:43
watching the game a lot longer than I've been alive.
32:45
I mean, you said 46 years. I'm 43 years old.
32:48
So when you. Started doing it.
32:50
Yeah, when you started, I was three years old, so I'm getting
32:55
up there in age. But it's amazing how you've
32:58
really just continued doing what you're doing and and really
33:02
building a great career. And we really appreciate the
33:05
time, my friend. Anytime you want to have me
33:07
back. Love to come back with you guys,
33:10
enjoyed it. Absolutely.
33:12
And by the way, that was Nathan kind of locked you in with us
33:16
and and I know it was like a last minute thing.
33:18
We really appreciate you coming on at A at such a short notice,
33:21
so. That's OK anytime.
33:24
Like I said, just give me some advance notice.
33:26
Well, thank you, Howie, and let's do it one time.
33:29
All of us. Howie.
33:31
Come on, guys. Howie, all right, don't you do
33:36
it. You're trying.
33:36
To great to see you Java. Good to see you as well.
33:41
We know Java's not going to do that.
33:43
You know that he doesn't have to.
33:47
Howie, thank you. Happy Thanksgiving.
33:49
Happy. Thanksgiving.
33:49
Yeah, you too. To you and your families, thank
33:51
you. Joey Carpin, 27 year MLB
33:55
official scorer, 46 years in the sports world.
34:00
It's a. Pretty and you'd be surprised
34:02
how much we either hate or love them.
34:04
We know. We know who we know who the
34:06
official score is like don't let it fool you.
34:08
Like people like people don't realize how like big of a job
34:12
that is. Like we know who the official
34:14
scorer is. Like we know.
34:17
Well, there you go. All right, ladies and gentlemen,
34:20
for the second-half of Save Your Tears Mom, what's 1?
34:25
Thing. That you can't talk to me about
34:27
my sexual fantasies. Say yourself.
34:32
It is not ideal, but if it's what means it is not ideal, but
34:34
if it's just not ideal, but if it is, what means you can't
34:38
treble stamp a double stamp. You can't treble stamp a double
34:40
stamp Lord, you can't dribble stamp with double stamp.
34:42
Blood blood. You guys, I'm not bad.
34:46
Now it's time for save your tears.
34:52
All right, guys, welcome back. To Save Your Tears, we're going
34:56
to go into the ward for this week's Week 13 games.
35:01
In fact, we are just going to pick the Thanksgiving slate
35:06
because of the three games on Thanksgiving.
35:08
They're all really good games. We got the music going.
35:12
Let's get right into it. In case you don't know what the
35:14
games are, it's the Packers versus the Lions, Chiefs,
35:17
Cowboys and Bengals. Ravens at night.
35:22
So $5 player at quarterback. Again, if you're not able to
35:26
watch with us, we do have video both on Spotify and Apple you
35:29
can tune into. Also, we are on YouTube all over
35:32
socials. Make sure you check us out
35:34
wherever you can, $5 Patrick Mahomes at quarterback, followed
35:39
by Dak Prescott, $3 Lamar Jackson, followed by $2.00 for
35:44
Jordan Lovin. You can get Jared Goff for a
35:47
dollar this week. Oohee.
35:51
Coming off of a monster performance from one of my
35:55
fantasy teams, Jameer Gibbs, it is the $5 running back this
35:59
week, followed by Derrick Henry. Javonte Williams is at 3, Kareem
36:05
Hunt for two and Chase Brown for a buck.
36:08
Speaking of Chase, Joe Burrows back.
36:10
We're not going to put Burrow into the quarterback list this
36:13
week. Not exactly sure.
36:15
You know, we'll give him a week to see where he's at.
36:16
Going to be a little too much of A wild card and it's a stack
36:19
quarterback room anyway. But we know that he's the one
36:21
that's going to be thrown into the $5 receiver #1 Jamar Chase
36:26
followed by #4 dollar Receiver is a big time player right here.
36:29
George Pickens, but a big week last week.
36:32
Rashi Rice, another big week last week at $3.
36:36
Real loaded category there, boys.
36:38
Romeo Dobbs at 2 and Jameson Williams, who was held catchless
36:42
last week for a dollar. In wide receiver two, we got
36:46
Amman Ross St. Brown for five, CD Lamb for
36:49
four, Zay Flowers at 3, Christian Watson for two and
36:54
Xavier Worthy only a dollar. Some value this week boys and a
36:59
tight end, Travis Kelsey, Mark Andrews for four, Jake Ferguson
37:05
at 3, Mike Kasicki comes in at $2.00 and the Lions back up
37:10
Titan cuz San LaPorte is on the IR.
37:13
Brock right for a buck. Since I won this last week I
37:18
will make the order. We shall start it off with the
37:22
one and only Immortal Knitting. All right, let's hear.
37:28
Let's see here I got Jared Goff, Jamir Gibbs, George Pickens,
37:35
Christian Watson. And help them out with the math
37:39
3 left what? What's the math?
37:43
You got 3 left. OK, I got Jake Ferguson.
37:48
Wow, you spent all your money this week, Nathan.
37:52
Out of character, I've got Goth, Gibbs, Pickens, Watson and
37:58
Ferguson. Next up is going to be Tommy.
38:03
Poops. All right, I kind of was
38:06
struggling on who I'm gonna pick a quarterback.
38:08
I think I'm gonna go Lamar Jackson.
38:12
Then I'm going Jameer Gibbs, Rashi Rice and I should have
38:18
$4.00 left so I'm gonna go Zay Flowers and Brock Wright.
38:24
All right, so I've got Lamar Gibbs, Rice, Flowers and Brock.
38:34
Right. Followed up by Jared.
38:40
All right, I am going to take goth at a dollar as well as
38:44
Chase Brown and then I'm going to go Jamar Chase CD Lamb, Mark
38:49
Andrews. Brown, Chase, Lamb, Andrews.
39:00
What a stacking right there. That is an interesting strategy,
39:04
$2.00 at quarterback and running back, everything else at the
39:07
pass catching positions. All right, we'll go to.
39:14
Speedy. All right, I'm going to take a
39:16
similar approach to Tommy. I'm going to do 3 threes, A5 and
39:20
A1, but I'm going to go a different direction.
39:22
I agree with him on Lamar and Gibbs.
39:23
I'm going to do that, except I'm going to go with Jameson
39:26
Williams, Zay Flowers and Jacob Ferguson.
39:31
Jameson Flowers and Ferguson. All right, I'm going to go last
39:47
this time, so I'm going to have Mr. Errol Marx go next is.
39:53
It me. All right.
39:59
Who's the lines playing Packers? All right, I'm going to go golf.
40:12
I'm going to go, Gibbs. I'm going to go Rice.
40:21
How many is that? 99?
40:23
I'm going to go all right. I'm going to go CD lamb.
40:37
And how many do I have? Two, Two.
40:38
I'm going to go Mike, Just sickie.
40:43
All right, I got Goff, Gibbs, Rice, Lamb and Yaseki Jabba.
40:53
All right. I'm going to go Dak Prescott,
40:59
then I'm going to go. Derrick Henry, Rishi Rice.
41:08
Then I'm going to go. You know what?
41:14
I'm going to go. Would I have 4:00 left Right?
41:18
Yes, you're at 11 right now. Then I'm going to go Xavier,
41:27
Worthy and Ferguson. All right, so I got Worthy and
41:35
Ferguson for ya. All right, I'm last here.
41:41
All right, Yeah, I'm just going to go with the ones I know I
41:43
want to do. I'm definitely taking Jamar
41:45
Chase in this game. No Patti Higgins after being
41:50
knocked out and Burrow and Chase didn't play last week as he was
41:54
suspended. I think he's going to get a lot
41:56
of points. Who else do I know I want?
42:00
I'm going to take Kareem Hunt at running back.
42:05
No one did that. Think there's value there?
42:12
I like Xavier worthy this week. I think he's due for a touchdown
42:18
and he's been OK Harold, I think you're selling him a little
42:20
short. I think he's been a good #2
42:22
receiver. Not as good as maybe as they
42:24
thought, but I think he's solid. And how much does that give me
42:29
left? 7 Left 3.
42:32
I got 7 left. Oh man, this is nice.
42:38
Who has the worst defense that they're facing?
42:43
Oh, it's Lamar. Lamar gets to face the Bengals.
42:46
I'm definitely taking Lamar this week and that gives me Mark
42:51
Andrews from Lamar. Look at that combo.
42:55
So I've got Lamar, Hunt, Chase Worthy and Andrews as my
43:01
grouping. I'll share the screen just to
43:03
show everybody back at home the full board once it comes up.
43:09
Here it is. So you see, we got a bunch of
43:13
Jared Goff, 3 Goffs, 3. Lamar's at quarterback.
43:17
We got 3 Gibbs. A lot of variety after that at
43:21
receiver. A lot of Rashi Rice this week.
43:25
Looks like we've got some CD Lamb action.
43:29
Ferguson pretty popular at tight end, guys.
43:32
Again, if you don't win, you're not allowed to complain about.
43:36
It I had to take a shit. You got to save your tears.
43:38
Another toe job that went over like a farting church.
43:43
All right, ladies and gentlemen, a new segment.
43:47
This is the second time we're going to be using it.
43:49
We call this what's beef? I'm a nut.
43:56
I'm a nut. Do you know what beef is?
43:59
Do you know what beef is? Which one are you afraid?
44:04
I'll fight you both together. If you want.
44:06
I'll fight you about 1 poor time.
44:07
Behind the back. I'll fight you.
44:08
Stand on one foot. I'll fight you with my eyes
44:11
close. What are you scared?
44:13
Watch your mouth. Guaranteed to be.
44:17
And I'll see you one more time. All right.
44:22
Ladies and gentlemen, I hope everybody enjoyed that drop.
44:24
It's the first time we drop the drop.
44:27
And now let's go into it. Well, with the tall guy, I
44:35
thought just like that's not cool.
44:36
I've seen them do dirty stuff before.
44:39
I remember in the playoffs 2022, it broke my teammate's elbow.
44:44
Dirty hit. That was very reminisce.
44:47
That made me think of that. I don't like seeing that done.
44:52
Do it or rookie, that's not cool.
44:54
I'll compute you all the other basketball.
44:55
Don't be dirty. That's not it, right?
45:01
Nothing of intelligence, depth. It was really just his just
45:10
running his mouth and he's running his mouth for a long
45:14
time and it's funny to run your mouth when you're on the bench.
45:19
It's kind of the story of his career so far, just leaving us
45:23
want more. You know, we all want to see him
45:26
out there and do his best, but he's just been and a lot of
45:31
other stuff get in the way of that and we need that.
45:35
We need our best players to be out there.
45:38
And when you're a star, it comes with a great responsibility.
45:43
I hate to see that called a waste.
45:46
All right, So those were two drops, So I'm going to get into
45:49
it. First of all, I have actually a
45:52
story that I posted up over the last 24 hours.
45:56
It's called clay dreaming, jaw rambling, the battle of who can
46:00
embarrass themselves faster. So two guys that to me are
46:04
obsolete this year and both guys averaging 17 points.
46:09
And, and, and again, I don't think Klay Thompson is the same
46:13
player he was with Golden State. I mean, with all the injuries
46:16
and and all the backlash over the last couple of years and,
46:19
and really going to the the Dallas Mavericks and probably
46:22
regretting he went to the Dallas Mavericks because The Mavericks
46:25
are a shell of what they thought they were going to be.
46:28
But here's the thing. John Moran's going after Klay
46:32
Thompson on the floor after the game is absolutely classic.
46:38
Honestly, now John Moran is a shell of what he was and what he
46:42
should have been and what he should be this year.
46:44
This is a guy that's had problems on and off the court,
46:48
the gun situation and then his game, the transition of his
46:52
game. This guy at one point was the
46:54
most electrifying, athletically gifted point guard.
46:58
When he came into the league, what he was doing for the first
47:00
two years was incredible. Everybody was saying this guy
47:03
was a top three-point guard. He went from a top three-point
47:06
guard, but not not even in the top 10.
47:09
Right now he has fallen off completely.
47:12
I don't know what's going on with the organization, if
47:14
they're planning to move him or how they're going to move him
47:18
after extending him the way they did.
47:20
And they're really stuck in a long spot.
47:22
Here's the thing with the the Klay Thompson.
47:24
Klay Thompson don't get along with anybody.
47:26
The Patrick Beverly situation, Patrick Beverly saying something
47:30
about his his girlfriend make the stallion and he came out
47:34
Patrick Beverly. But Patrick Beverly is just
47:36
trying to bring in advertisements and sponsors.
47:38
He's just trying to be funny. He's not a basketball, he's not
47:42
an NBA player anymore. He's trying to bring in some
47:44
kind of money for his product. And, and I understand the fact
47:48
that Klay Thompson doesn't want to be spoken about, but this is
47:50
the same guy that went out there over the years when he was
47:53
playing for Golden State, not only fighting with his own
47:56
teammates, he had a problems with Draymond Green.
47:59
He's had problems with other players on his team not getting
48:02
along with people in the locker room.
48:04
Even at the tail end of his career.
48:06
He had problems with Steph Curry and they weren't getting along
48:10
his final year or final two years over there at Golden
48:13
State. This is a guy that's had
48:14
problems keeping relationships. Hopefully keeps this one with
48:19
making it Megan the Stallion. I I mean this problem with him
48:23
and John Moran and John Moran is perfect for the tabloids.
48:26
Then he comes and attacks John Moran saying that and I think
48:29
he's right. You want to see your best
48:31
players on the court, but this guy can't keep himself out of
48:34
the tabloids and out of trouble. There's no question.
48:37
That's the problem right now with John Moran.
48:41
But John Moran is still only, what, 2324 years old?
48:45
He's got a lot of basketball left.
48:47
How much basketball left does Klay Thompson have?
48:50
And nobody likes this guy. It's it's not even the Dallas
48:55
Mavericks in the organization. I'm sure there's a lot of rough
48:58
stuff going on in that locker room because he don't he doesn't
49:02
really talk to anybody. He's a very quiet guy.
49:06
Again, going back to the Golden State Warriors situation, they
49:09
did. He just couldn't get along with
49:11
his teammates. And that Jordan Pool thing, you
49:14
know what, the dream on green thing and and it happened.
49:17
Who do you think started that whole thing?
49:19
It was Clay Thompson that started that whole beef.
49:22
And then the LeBron James take, you know, we all know LeBron
49:26
James says a lot of silly things.
49:28
When LeBron James goes back on some of the players he couldn't
49:31
stand playing against, it wasn't Draymond Green, it was Klay
49:34
Thompson. He was he was the name that
49:37
LeBron James brought up in many conversations on his podcast on
49:41
guys that he couldn't stand in the league.
49:44
And I can't stand in the league over the years.
49:46
So it says a lot about the fact that nobody likes Klay Thompson
49:52
and John Marant, who besides the stuff that he's done on and off
49:56
the court, a lot of the players think that he's still gifted, He
50:00
still has an opportunity to be successful in the league.
50:03
I I just think John Moran is in the wrong place right now.
50:06
I think he needs to go somewhere where he could be controlled,
50:09
maybe a coach, a veteran coach that's been in the league, AKA
50:14
adjacent kid or somebody of that magnitude.
50:18
I don't think he's going to play with Klay Thompson.
50:20
It would be interesting them playing on the same team because
50:22
I know Klay and Draymond didn't like each other.
50:24
So I I think Clay has always been stuck in between a place of
50:31
who he is and and what he is. Even when Kevin Durant was over
50:35
there, Klay Thompson was one of the best players in his
50:37
position, but he was forgotten because you had Kevin Durant and
50:40
Steph Curry there. So he was just the other guy and
50:44
that's the way I believe Klay Thompson's going to be
50:46
remembered, not the Splash Brother, the other guy.
50:50
And that's what he is like the step brothers he is.
50:53
It was so funny when that that that picture of this day was him
50:56
and Steph Curry and Steph Curry was the one sitting down and and
51:01
Klay Thompson was 1 putting his hand on Steph Curry.
51:05
That's his been his whole career.
51:07
He's just been the other person, the other guy.
51:11
And to attack John Morant, it's funny.
51:13
I don't think it's going to go anywhere.
51:15
It's just another way for them to to be stuck in the way this
51:20
league is trying to find something to say about a player
51:24
you don't like and try to draw them in to create some kind of
51:28
conflict. Yeah, I was going to say like
51:30
John Moran to somebody that has already inflicted a conflict on
51:34
himself as it is too, but now. Do you hear anybody speaking bad
51:36
about him honestly? Yeah, I mean.
51:39
Do you really hear any player in the league besides the the stuff
51:43
that he's done on off the on and off the court?
51:46
Have you ever heard anybody say anything bad about John Moran?
51:50
Yeah, I was going to say this is a much more tame instance
51:52
compared to this. All he's doing is trying to pump
51:54
up a teammate in Cam Spencer. That was a good three-point
51:57
shooter on that Yukon second championship team.
51:59
He's a rookie. I I forgot if he was a first or
52:01
second round pick from the Grizzlies and he had a great
52:04
night. So he's he's trying to pump him
52:05
up. It didn't seem like an instance
52:06
where it is. OK, maybe.
52:07
Yeah, he took it personally taking Oh, the clay top said the
52:10
shooter is not from Golden State, but again, this seems
52:13
kind of mild in that kind of instances.
52:14
OK, clay top is going to fire about his back in his rings Now
52:17
John Moran off the court. Yeah, that's a whole other
52:19
problem. And he's going to have to get
52:20
something straight if he wants to get his career back on track
52:23
because he's having a bad year on the court, too, in addition,
52:25
off the court. But still, yeah, like you said,
52:27
it's really not a player issue with him.
52:28
It's just more of a media and legal authorities issue with
52:32
John Marin more than anything else.
52:33
And Klay Thompson is just petty from three years ago when they
52:36
had that feud with Dylan Brooks and Gary Payton and all that.
52:38
And Jarrett's been mentioning in the comments section, too, He
52:41
took shots at Jaron Jackson for whatever reason, when Jaron
52:43
Jackson was a defensive player of the year or something like
52:45
that. It seems like Klay Thompson's
52:47
going an extra level of petty. And Shawn didn't go after
52:49
anybody but Klay. I mean, honestly, he didn't go
52:52
after Cooper flag. He didn't go after anybody.
52:56
He went after clay and clay takes everything so personal.
53:01
He really does for all for all the years that he was over there
53:04
when he played the the the heat, Remember the heat and and and
53:09
the fact that he had a problem with certain players on the heat
53:11
and then had problems with the Lakers with the Golden State
53:14
Warriors said something about LeBron James, how big of a bitch
53:17
he is and and all this other that crying.
53:20
I mean, the Golden State Warriors for years have always
53:24
been the cry babies of the league.
53:26
Now you all of a sudden have guys, their coach coming out in
53:30
and saying what he said over the last what last week saying that
53:35
the league is not protecting the players and they should slow
53:38
they they should spread out the games or cancel certain games or
53:42
only have 70 games. Why?
53:43
Because they're getting older and and they're not the same
53:45
team they once were, young and energetic the way they've been
53:50
over the years. And they don't have stops in
53:51
there in his prime or Steph Curry or Draymond Green in their
53:54
prime or even a Kevin Durant in their prime.
53:56
So they're finding ways or Andrew Wiggins finding a way to
54:00
complain and bitch. It's very Golden State like.
54:04
And now we're going to go to Klay Thompson, who is the
54:06
epiphany of the Golden State. Warriors Yeah, Klay Thompson
54:09
tries to play the victim a lot. We've seen Steve Kerr try to
54:11
play the victim a lot. Meanwhile, you're encouraging
54:13
this kind of behavior from Draymond Green and claiming it's
54:16
good leadership of the stuff that he does with the Warriors,
54:19
with the Warriors locker, and which for a while it was.
54:21
And then their own players, their own fans started to turn
54:23
on them. And hence why you've seen a lot
54:25
of these veteran corps gone at an incident.
54:27
Was it a flagrant foul? Yes.
54:29
Was it something that was as malicious as Draymond Green?
54:31
All the crap that he's done in his career, chokeholding Rudy
54:33
Gobert and kicking, kicking Steven Adams in the nuts and the
54:37
stuff he did with the Sons and all that stuff, No.
54:40
I think there's, I think you could shut the music and IA job.
54:45
I don't know if you have your take on this.
54:47
They're always like, it just feels like he's just trying to
54:49
stay relevant when like there's other ways to do it.
54:53
You've had a great career, but like, why do you continue to
54:55
like draw other people when you're really the one like
54:58
antagonizing it anyways? It's just everybody takes
55:00
everything so personal. Like I just, I don't get it.
55:03
Like you're an athlete. Like fans are gonna be fans,
55:05
players are gonna be players like the end of the day, don't
55:08
let them affect your money or you like I just it some of it
55:11
just like guys are so soft now it just it makes no sense to me
55:14
and he. He wants to be in the tabloids.
55:16
He wants to be upfront if you're dating Megan.
55:19
The look at his girlfriend. Yeah, if you're if you're going
55:22
to all these the BT awards and you're showing up to all these
55:26
awards, of course you're going to be center stage.
55:28
You're going to be the center of attraction.
55:30
You want to deal with that. You're you're bringing yourself
55:33
in front of the the media and stuff like that.
55:36
So John Morant, yeah, he's been a media antagonizer.
55:40
He he's done some stupid things over the last couple of years.
55:43
He's also 2324 years old. He's still a kid.
55:47
He still has a lot of time to develop.
55:49
And again, he might be in the wrong place and maybe he really
55:52
hasn't developed into the player.
55:54
Like Clay's right about this. There are things that he has
55:56
done that's affected his game, has not really put him where he
56:01
he should be. And I out of that drift, when
56:03
you talk about RJ Barrett and you talk about Zion Williamson,
56:09
Zion Williams, I, I, I, I would say he's the best player in that
56:13
draft by far. He's the best player out of
56:15
those three. But here's the problem.
56:17
As gifted as he is, as, as he plays the game and and at a high
56:21
pace, he's really taken away from his game for all the things
56:26
that he's done on and off the court.
56:28
So his game has really not developed the way you thought it
56:32
was going to be. I thought he was going to
56:34
transition his shooting ability. Remember when he came to the
56:37
league, he wasn't much of A shooter.
56:38
He got better, but he he really hasn't developed that shot where
56:42
I thought that if he developed that shot, which Russell
56:45
Westbrook couldn't because he's the prototypical player, he
56:48
really is Russell Westbrook, but a better version of them and and
56:53
it but is he now because he's falling off of Russell Westbrook
56:57
got better and better every single year.
56:59
If this kid figured out how to shoot the ball, do you know how
57:02
good John Morant would be? We're talking about that about a
57:06
player right now in Detroit that I said you can argue Kate
57:10
Cunningham, who you could argue is the best point guard in the
57:13
league right now and up for an MVP.
57:15
He's better than Kate Cunningham.
57:17
He really is. The gifts, the athletic ability
57:20
that this guy has is tremendous. But we might never see it
57:25
because of his problems and and some of the things that he
57:29
brings to the forefront. It seems like he doesn't really
57:31
want to play the game of basketball.
57:33
It's all about money. It's all about fame.
57:35
It's not about the game. And that's something I got to
57:38
give LeBron James a little bit credit.
57:40
As much as much as LeBron James has been stuck in those
57:43
situations, LeBron still has been a great player.
57:47
LeBron still developed and became the superstar that
57:51
everybody believed he was going to become and then became a
57:55
multi billionaire because he used his name to transition it
57:58
into a money making gravity, you know, grab for the league.
58:02
So unfortunately, John Morant is not LeBron James.
58:06
He's not even close to LeBron James, and his game is just not
58:11
flourishing. And I think that if you're a
58:13
basketball fan, you wonder maybe this is the wrong place.
58:16
Maybe Memphis is not the place for him, and maybe it's time to
58:20
move him. If somebody would take him and
58:23
go to an organization, maybe a city where he can be controlled
58:27
and develop his skill, which could be, you know, it could be
58:31
elite if he figures that out, that Clay is right.
58:35
But everything else that he said about him completely wrong,
58:38
completely. Warrior School of pettiness.
58:41
I want to say this about the NBA players.
58:43
Out of all the sports, they're the most when it comes to prima
58:47
donnas and trying to figure out ways to create things that
58:51
aren't there. And Draymond Green's done it for
58:54
years. Brooks has started to do it with
58:57
the Olympics with the Canadian team.
59:00
I don't know if anybody's checked that out on Netflix.
59:03
This is this is the problem with the NBA is that the NBA has
59:07
allowed the players to run the league.
59:10
And when you have this going on on the court, think about it,
59:14
The game is over and you have John Morant who's not even
59:18
playing in the game, and Klay Thompson going at it and yelling
59:22
at each other and, and saying whatever they're saying, cursing
59:25
at each other and calling each other out.
59:27
And the, that the NBA didn't suspend these guys.
59:31
I, I think you need to do something, suspend these guys,
59:35
give them a game suspension so they understand not to embarrass
59:39
the league. Because to me, the league is it,
59:42
if it was David Stern there, if he was still the, the
59:46
commissioner of the league, both guys would have been suspended,
59:50
absolutely would have been suspended because we've seen
59:53
David Stern do less things, less harsher things to players doing
59:57
less things after a game and suspend them.
1:00:00
So I just think that the NBA needs to take the bull by its
1:00:03
horns. They don't know how to do it.
1:00:05
And that's why Adam Silver to me is the worst commissioner in
1:00:08
sports because he doesn't know how to control the players.
1:00:11
And that's my opinion to it. And I, I, I feel, I feel for
1:00:15
some of the. The the fans, because this is a
1:00:18
very popular sport and it's growing internationally huge.
1:00:23
And you're talking about 5 international players that a lot
1:00:27
of people believe will be drafted in the in the top 15
1:00:30
this year. Five of them and three of them
1:00:32
could be drafted in the top ten. That's how it's growing
1:00:35
internationally. And you have players like Klay
1:00:40
Thompson and John Morant or Russell Westbrook and all these
1:00:44
players, they all have podcasts now and they can do whatever
1:00:47
they want and say what they want because it's freedom of speech.
1:00:51
But if the league dropped a hammer on them and said, listen,
1:00:53
you can't say this, You can't do this on your podcast, You can't
1:00:56
interact or, you know, consider attacking this while you're
1:01:00
playing in the league, Maybe the NBA would have more control over
1:01:03
the players on what they say because, you know, they have
1:01:07
they can do whatever the hell they want.
1:01:09
So I think it's a really bad situation for the NBA and it
1:01:12
seems like it's getting worse with sports betting.
1:01:14
So this this isn't to me. There's no hidden, you know, hit
1:01:19
a ball trick here. I think that the NBA Adam Silver
1:01:22
should be fired. That's what I think.
1:01:25
And I think that ownership needs to figure out how to control the
1:01:27
players after the new CBA comes out.
1:01:29
I don't know when the new CBA is, but something needs to be
1:01:33
done with these players and keeping their mouth shut when
1:01:35
they shouldn't be opening up. That's just my opinion.
1:01:38
It was a great show. I want to wish everybody happy
1:01:40
Thanksgiving. It's, it's a holiday to spend
1:01:44
with their families. I, I mean, the holidays really
1:01:46
just, it's just for food and getting, getting hungry and
1:01:51
filling your bellies up. So enjoy the time that you have
1:01:54
with your family. We have Christmas around the
1:01:57
corner, Kwanzaa, you know, obviously Hanukkah.
1:02:00
So there's and then there's New Year's.
1:02:03
It's been a crazy, crazy year here on Job on the Mouth and
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next year is going to be a big year for us.
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So I want the year to end as quick as possible.
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And let's move on to 2026 please.
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But thank you to all the fans on Apple and Spotify over 200,000
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So and that's Spotify and Apple. We are we were at 134.
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I think we're still in. It's up to 100 right now.
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January 13th as soon as everything is final finalized
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and we'll tell you who we're going to have come for Q&A.
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So that's, you know, Job is working on two guys and you
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And for the fans, we'll make you laugh if you like the show.
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I'm sure in person we're going to make you laugh even more so
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do. So again, a happy Thanksgiving,
1:03:58
have a merry happy Thanksgiving. And I'm tired, guys.
1:04:02
I, I, I am absolutely drawn out and drawn to a whole another
1:04:07
level. So we will talk to you next
1:04:10
week, Speedy, who we have on. It nothing getting 2 guests, one
1:04:12
of which we've had on the show last year.
1:04:14
Sylvester Williams, defensive tackle at 9:30.
1:04:17
He will be returning on Monday and then on Wednesday a new
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guest at 8:45. Former Chargers, Broncos and a
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few other teams Cornerback Quinton Jammer.
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And Charlie Slows. That's right, Charlie Slows will
1:04:28
be joining us on some baseball conversation as the winter
1:04:32
meetings are here. So I'm sure Charlie has a lot of
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information that we don't have. So it'll be fun getting Charlie
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on. We'll we'll get some.
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Well, he's a he's a big Nationals guy, but he grew up a
1:04:47
Yankee fan. So I'm sure he has his own takes
1:04:50
to the Yankees and and maybe the Mets.
1:04:52
So it'll be fun. Charlie will be joining us.
1:04:54
So it'll be cool. Anyways, that's it.
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Good night. Farewell.
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