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SON DISAPPEARS INTO IDAHO WILDERNESS DURING TV SHOOT, REMAINS MISSING YEARS LATER · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Tonight, a father is fighting for answers after his son
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Speaker 1: vanishes into thin air in Idaho. Good evening, I Meancy Grace,
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Speaker 1: this is crime Stories. I want to thank you for
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Speaker 1: being with us.
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Speaker 2: Terrence Woods is a member of a TV production crew
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Speaker 2: filming near an abandoned mine in the remote Idaho wilderness.
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Speaker 2: As their crew wraps a long day, something suddenly chefs.
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Speaker 2: Terrence bolts, running full speed into the woods alone and
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Speaker 2: never seen again.
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Speaker 1: That makes absolutely no sense. He bolts and runs full
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Speaker 1: speed into the woods and he's never seen again. I
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Speaker 1: smell a rat. This is a guy with a double
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Speaker 1: master's degree. How does he just vanish into the woods?
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Speaker 1: And what? Everybody walks away and leaves him there. He
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Speaker 1: is in London where he got a double maths degree,
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Speaker 1: and just what it seems like all of his dreams
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Speaker 1: were coming true. He vanishes into thin air. Watch this.
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Speaker 3: I want a gold mine high Way and on my turn.
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Speaker 4: Veteran minor Dave Turret is an expert gold hunter.
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Speaker 1: What in the world.
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Speaker 4: And after two years out of the game, he's searching
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Speaker 4: for a way back in.
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Speaker 3: This could be my hugure mining right here.
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Speaker 4: Dave will cross the country from North to south to
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Speaker 4: prospect multiple lost and abandoned mines. Gold's right there, hoping
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Speaker 4: to find the one that will make him a fortune.
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Speaker 2: I'm not walking away from it, putting out of his
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Speaker 2: damn mind.
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Speaker 1: Now that is from gold Rush, and what it is
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Speaker 1: is from the trailer of gold Rush, Dave Turan's lost mine?
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Speaker 1: Is that what led to his disappearance? How does that
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Speaker 1: fit in with this?
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Speaker 5: Want him to come home.
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Speaker 1: I want him to know that we love him.
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Speaker 5: Your family miss you, your sisters, your brothers, want you
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Speaker 5: to come home safe. He was living his dream. He
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Speaker 5: was doing what he wanted to do, and he did
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Speaker 5: everything to get to this point. And it just for
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Speaker 5: it to be for us to even be here, It's unbelievable.
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Speaker 6: I got a call on October sixth at seven forty
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Speaker 6: five am in the morning and I was told that
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Speaker 6: my son allegedly in Elk City, idahole on working with
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Speaker 6: the company, fell off a cliff or went off a
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Speaker 6: cliff without being seen.
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Speaker 3: Since then her friends a k l e W.
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Speaker 1: How do you go off a cliff and then your
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Speaker 1: body is never found? Did he run into the woods?
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Speaker 1: Did he run off a cliff? And what is everyone
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Speaker 1: standing by just twiddling their thumbs. This is a beautiful,
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Speaker 1: bright young man who's making his dreams come true. And
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Speaker 1: tonight no answers. I don't get it joining us an
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Speaker 1: all star panel. But first straight out to Dion Mitchell,
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Speaker 1: executive producer, Crime Redefined Podcast, Dion, thank you Mayhel for
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Speaker 1: being with us. Dion, what is your understanding of what happened?
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Speaker 7: Exactly?
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Speaker 8: That if you believe the eyewitness, you know he dropped
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Speaker 8: his radio and ran down the hill. So if you
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Speaker 8: take her eyewitness at face value, in my opinions, he's
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Speaker 8: probably still on the mountain. But I do find the
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Speaker 8: whole take odd. Crew members just don't disappear off a set,
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Speaker 8: especially where it's remote when there's only one way in
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Speaker 8: and one way out.
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Speaker 1: And your point is, of course you're right, But what
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Speaker 1: is your point there, Dion Mitchell?
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Speaker 8: My point is is that if everything thanks taking a
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Speaker 8: face value, that he's he's still on the mountain somewhere.
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Speaker 1: So if he's still on the mountain, why isn't the
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Speaker 1: re search and rescue team finding his body?
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Speaker 8: That's the question, you know, why isn't there a search
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Speaker 8: of rescue? And that's what we're trying to do is
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Speaker 8: actually get a proper team out there, you know, use
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Speaker 8: all the latest tech and see if we can bring
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Speaker 8: him home.
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Speaker 1: Mayhool and Jeria is joining US co host along with
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Speaker 1: Dion Mitchell of Crime Redefined podcast. They first found out
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Speaker 1: about this missing person case and it has totally blown
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Speaker 1: my mind. Mayhool Dion Mitchell is correct. After every shoot
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Speaker 1: I've ever been on, it takes hours to break it down,
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Speaker 1: all that equipment, the video, the people, the cars, the
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Speaker 1: and they're getting off of a remote shoot in the
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Speaker 1: middle of rugged terrain and they all just poof vanish
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Speaker 1: like I dream of Ginny poop. They're all just going
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Speaker 1: that didn't happen. So did no one call nine one
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Speaker 1: one immediately? Did no one try to save him? What
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Speaker 1: is your understanding mail about what happened?
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Speaker 3: Well, there were at least two witnesses who allegedly saw
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Speaker 3: him run down the cliff, if that's even possible. Supposedly
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Speaker 3: a few of the crew members went after him, and
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Speaker 3: then when they came back up, their clothes were all
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Speaker 3: ripped and they were all bloody. So they did call
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Speaker 3: nine one one. They found like a cabin on the
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Speaker 3: mountain and made the nine to one one call the
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Speaker 3: nine to one one call is sort of mysterious though,
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Speaker 3: because they start talking about, gee, Terrence was having a
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Speaker 3: tough time, he possibly had a mental breakdown. All of
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Speaker 3: this is news to his father. There's no history of
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Speaker 3: any kind of mental problems, so it's very curious. Number one,
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Speaker 3: why would you run down a hill? And then this
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Speaker 3: thing about this mental issue. And what further complicates the
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Speaker 3: nancy is that this crew was international. They were from
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Speaker 3: the UK, so very quickly all of the crew members
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Speaker 3: went back to London, except for one individual who stayed
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Speaker 3: back to talk to the Sheriff's department and to Terrence
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Speaker 3: and his to Terrence Wood Senior.
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Speaker 1: So let me understand, there was no crime scene, The
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Speaker 1: witnesses were not detained by law enforcement. Everybody just went
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Speaker 1: on their merry way. After this allegedly falls off a
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Speaker 1: cliff amidst claims of mental problems. Nobody ever mentioned a
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Speaker 1: middle problem before. They didn't have a problem with him
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Speaker 1: on the shoot. How can a guy with mental problems
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Speaker 1: get two master's degree in London and come back and
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Speaker 1: live his dream? What mental problem?
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Speaker 3: Well, that's just it. I mean, there were some reports
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Speaker 3: that he grabbed a drone out of the air that
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Speaker 3: he was complaining about his family. And what was really
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Speaker 3: appalling is when the one crew member who stayed behind
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Speaker 3: first met Terrence Wood Senior, he started talking about how
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Speaker 3: he was disappointed with Terrence's the work that he did.
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Speaker 3: I mean, rather than being empathetic and you know, to
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Speaker 3: your point about the investigation, Nancy, the Shriff's department very
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Speaker 3: quickly said, oh, we don't suspect foul play. Well, how
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Speaker 3: would you know. You didn't do a thorough investigation. You
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Speaker 3: didn't talk to the twelve people who had spent a
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Speaker 3: good week with him, So I don't know how you
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Speaker 3: can conclude that there's no foul play. And what's worse
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Speaker 3: is it seems like the Sheriff's department is thinking that
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Speaker 3: this is a runaway case, not a missing person's not
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Speaker 3: foul play. So while on the front end they did
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Speaker 3: a wonderful job searching for him for six seven days,
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Speaker 3: it's just went cold, and the shriff's department is saying
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Speaker 3: it's an open case and as a result, they will
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Speaker 3: not release any reports or paperwork to us. But meanwhile
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Speaker 3: they're not doing anything further to find him.
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Speaker 1: So let me understand, nothing is being done to fire him,
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Speaker 1: and they allegedly the crew see him fall off a
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Speaker 1: cliff or run off a cliff, which I find very
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Speaker 1: difficult to believe. But they see him run off a cliff,
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Speaker 1: they see where it happened, and after seven days nobody
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Speaker 1: was found. How can that be? Maho?
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Speaker 3: Well, yeah, exactly. I mean the sensitivity of the search.
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Speaker 3: I mean, they had forward looking IR cameras, they had bloodhounds.
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Speaker 3: You know, they had some of Terrence's clothing to use.
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Speaker 3: That's a whole other story about how his clothing was found.
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Speaker 3: But the fact that there was no trace of him,
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Speaker 3: you know, Terrence Woods Senior has some question as to
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Speaker 3: whether or not he actually made it to Idaho because
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Speaker 3: the crew was first in Montana and then went to Idaho.
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Speaker 3: There's a lot of eyewitness statements that he was in Idaho,
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Speaker 3: but I don't know that we have any video or
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Speaker 3: photos or anything like that. And you know, I'm a
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Speaker 3: physical evidence guy, and this is one thing we need
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Speaker 3: to get. We need to start ruling things out here
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Speaker 3: at least.
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Speaker 1: Agree agree about the physical evidence joining us right now.
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Speaker 1: Brian Fitzgibbons, he is the director of Operations at USPA
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Speaker 1: Nationwide Security. He leads a team of missing person investigators
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Speaker 1: around the world, finding and extracting missing people. He is
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Speaker 1: a former marine. He is an Iraqi war vet. Fitzgibbons
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Speaker 1: I find it really hard to believe that the crew
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Speaker 1: can identify for this young man jumps headlong off a
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Speaker 1: cliff in front of God and everybody, and they search
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Speaker 1: seven days and can't find him. It's almost as if
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Speaker 1: it didn't happen that way. You see where he jumped,
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Speaker 1: but you can't find him.
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Speaker 9: Yeah, and it sounds like there was a pretty intense
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Speaker 9: search over the course of just about a week that
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Speaker 9: was done to locate Terrence Woods Junior. And what's immediately
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Speaker 9: concerning to me, Nancy, And you know, with this story
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Speaker 9: from the production crew, they're going to these remote areas.
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Speaker 9: This is not their first rodeo, and you're telling me
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Speaker 9: that they don't have any ability to communicate via satellite phone,
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Speaker 9: that they have to trek through the woods to encounter,
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Speaker 9: you know, somebody in a cabin that has access to
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Speaker 9: a satellite phone. That they're you know, seasoned producers out
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Speaker 9: in these remote areas with no ability to communicate. That
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Speaker 9: does not add up to me that that immediately is
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Speaker 9: a red flag.
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Speaker 1: Well, they could call nine one one, so they do
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Speaker 1: have the ability to communicate. Listen to this fitz.
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Speaker 10: At eight thirty four, my son texts me back, so Dad,
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Speaker 10: I'm coming home on Wednesday. The tenth between that little
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Speaker 10: time something went wrong. Then the next call I get
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Speaker 10: is from the company saying my son disappeared. You can't
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Speaker 10: find a trace of him.
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Speaker 1: From our friends at Fox five. Back to you, Deon Mitchell.
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Speaker 1: Not a trace nothing. Did authorities find anything to corroborate
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Speaker 1: the story that he suddenly just ran he ran for it.
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Speaker 1: He took off his belt and his equipment and ran
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Speaker 1: for it and jumped. Anything was the belt, there was
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Speaker 1: the equipment, there, any shoe, any article of clothing, any
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Speaker 1: anything to corroborate this story.
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Speaker 8: No, just the one eyewitness. And that's what makes this
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Speaker 8: really wild. You have one eyewitness says he ran down
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Speaker 8: this cliff, and that was the first kind of red
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Speaker 8: flag for me. If you're familiar with this area at all,
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Speaker 8: it's not really cliffy, it's more like rolling hill. You
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Speaker 8: can't mine on cliffs, so you pick areas that you
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Speaker 8: can get your equipment into, trek it into. And so
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Speaker 8: for him to have jumped off a cliff, was like
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Speaker 8: the first thing, it's just it's four thousand feet, it's
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Speaker 8: more kind of like rolling hills that's heavily forced it.
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Speaker 8: So that was like the first thing that said, like
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Speaker 8: it really happened that way. And then let's face it.
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Speaker 8: You know, Terrence is from Maryland, he lived in London,
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Speaker 8: and guys like that don't go running into the forest.
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Speaker 8: He had to actually buy shoes boots for this, so
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Speaker 8: this is an area that he's not familiar with. So
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Speaker 8: you're going to stay close to the rest of the
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Speaker 8: rest of the queues, the rest of the crew, and
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Speaker 8: the other red flag for me is probably something happened
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Speaker 8: between the fourth and the fifth Hey Dad, I made
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Speaker 8: it to Hey Dad, I'm coming home the following day.
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Speaker 8: So what happened in that time period, I think that's
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Speaker 8: where we should focus.
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Speaker 1: This is what the sheriff says.
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Speaker 11: He went over to the edge and there were several
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Speaker 11: people watching him, including one of the local guys, and
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Speaker 11: they said he just decided to take off, and he
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Speaker 11: shot down that heel and he would not stop, he
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Speaker 11: would not return, and he just kept going and they
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Speaker 11: lost him at the there's a road down below where
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Speaker 11: he dropped straight down the hill, almost straight down.
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Speaker 7: He couldn't find any clothes. The tracks are the best
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Speaker 7: that we could follow, and they're not dead pauses they
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Speaker 7: were his, but they believed they were. But that's not
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Speaker 7: an absolute. There's been no sign, there's been no information,
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Speaker 7: there's been no sighting, there's been nothing, and that definitely
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Speaker 7: is unusual.
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Speaker 1: And it sounds like there's been no investigation. That's from
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Speaker 1: our friends at KBI and k T. Let me understand something,
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Speaker 1: Dion Mitchell, I immediately see a discrepancy. You are saying
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Speaker 1: there was one witness, but to hear the sheriff tell it,
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Speaker 1: there are lots of witnesses. What's the truth as.
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Speaker 8: Far as everybody, all the interviews that have been done,
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Speaker 8: there was only one clear witness. The main part of
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Speaker 8: the crew was actually on the set where they were
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Speaker 8: actually doing the filming at the mine, So there was
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Speaker 8: only one eyewitness that saw him take down, take off
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Speaker 8: down the hill, and he dropped his radio and just
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Speaker 8: apparently sprinted. I don't know how you sprint down a cliff,
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Speaker 8: but that's what they're telling us. I don't think there
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Speaker 8: was a number of at least as far as the
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Speaker 8: interviews that we've seen and that we've done on our podcast.
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Speaker 8: Other than the one eye witness, the female transportation person,
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Speaker 8: I don't think anybody else saw him because it was
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Speaker 8: a Skelton crew and they're either going to be at
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Speaker 8: a base camp or they're going to be where the
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Speaker 8: filming is actually taking place for the promo.
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Speaker 1: Guys, let's dissect what the sheriff said one more time.
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Speaker 1: Listen went over to.
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Speaker 11: The edge and there were several people watching him, including
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Speaker 11: one of the local guys, and they said he just
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Speaker 11: decided to take off and he shot down that heel
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Speaker 11: and he would not stop, he would not return, and
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Speaker 11: he just kept going and they lost him at the
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Speaker 11: there's a road down below where he dropped straight down
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Speaker 11: the hill, almost straight down.
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Speaker 7: He couldn't find any clothes. The tracks are the best
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Speaker 7: that we could follow, and they're not dead pods that
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Speaker 7: they were his, but they believed they were. But that's
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Speaker 7: not an absolute. There's been no sign, there's been no information,
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Speaker 7: there's been no sighting, there's been nothing, and that definitely
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Speaker 7: is unusual.
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Speaker 1: May Whole and Jeria joining us. He's the co host
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Speaker 1: along with Dian Mitchell on Crime Redefined Pop cast. That
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Speaker 1: was from our friends at kb O I and KTVB.
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Speaker 1: Let's analyze what the sheriff just said. Okay, he went
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Speaker 1: over the edge. There were several people watching. No, according
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Speaker 1: to you, one person was there when he went over
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Speaker 1: the edge. The others may have been on the crew,
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Speaker 1: but they're not eyewitnesses. Number one, he would not stop.
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Speaker 1: He took off. He kept going. They lost him at
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Speaker 1: a road where mayhole does the road fit in? I
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Speaker 1: thought he went over a cliff. What are they talking about?
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Speaker 10: A road?
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Speaker 3: Well, once supposedly, once he got to the bottom of
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Speaker 3: the cliff area, there was a road there. So there's
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Speaker 3: some thought that, you know, there was some elaborate scheme
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Speaker 3: for him to disappear in that a car picked him up.
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Speaker 3: But that is just I've.
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Speaker 1: Got to see mayeol as he's actually saying this, because
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Speaker 1: this is crazy talk. Okay, So let me understand. This
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Speaker 1: is not like Wiley coyote in the Roadrunner where they
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Speaker 1: get smashed and killed and then they jump up again
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Speaker 1: and start running. Am I supposed to believe, and this
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Speaker 1: is coming from the sheriff, that he our victim jumps
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Speaker 1: over a cliff, falls down to a road and there's
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Speaker 1: a clandestine made up with a car that takes him away,
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Speaker 1: or he gets up and runs like the roadrunner. What
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Speaker 1: are you saying that with a straight face.
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Speaker 3: I don't know how you say that with a straight face.
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Speaker 3: It makes no sense. And you know, the Sheriff's department
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Speaker 3: sometimes out there has this attitude that people go missing
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Speaker 3: out there all of the time and eventually they'll turn up.
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Speaker 3: So again there's this sort of this attitude that he
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Speaker 3: was just a run away and they're not going to
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Speaker 3: look into it. I'm sure we'll talk about this, but
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Speaker 3: there is a lot of physical evidence right now that
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Speaker 3: could be looked at to try to see if this
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Speaker 3: story makes any sense whatsoever, Like what well, Number one,
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Speaker 3: Terrence Woods Junior's laptop is available. His dad has it now.
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Speaker 3: The Sheriff's department, who's probably not that sophisticated in advanced investigation,
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Speaker 3: they said we couldn't get into the laptop and we
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Speaker 3: were afraid, basically we would get locked out of it.
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Speaker 3: So Terrence Wood Senior has Terrence's Junior's laptop, there's gonna
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Speaker 3: be a wealth of information on that. On top of that,
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Speaker 3: they have his camera and to hear Terrence Wood Senior
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Speaker 3: talk about it. The order of the pictures on the
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Speaker 3: camera doesn't make sense. So we have digital evidence here
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Speaker 3: in terms of the cell phone, Terrence Junior's cell phone
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Speaker 3: that wasn't recovered. We hope that there's records, but my
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Speaker 3: understanding is that if those records were not frozen, that
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Speaker 3: they go away after about a year. So we don't
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Speaker 3: know if we even have the option of looking at
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Speaker 3: the cell phone records.
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Speaker 1: You know what, I don't think that's yes, yes, some
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Speaker 1: evidence will go away, But Brian has gibbons. You and
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Speaker 1: I have worked on a lot of missing people cases,
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Speaker 1: a lot of homicide cases, and digital evidence such as
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Speaker 1: cell phone records, they live forever in the cloud. We're
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Speaker 1: not going to lose that.
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Speaker 9: Yeah, there will be some degree of evidence remaining from
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Speaker 9: that cell phone. Maybe not location data, maybe not app
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Speaker 9: data that could help pinpoint on final last location, but
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Speaker 9: there will be some about his last communications. The other
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Speaker 9: piece with this laptop that absolutely should and can be investigated.
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Speaker 9: That laptop may have connected to his phone. That laptop
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Speaker 9: may have messages, SMS, text messages on there. You know,
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Speaker 9: if it's an Apple laptop, his ohone may be connected
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Speaker 9: directly to it. So it seems like fingers are not
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Speaker 9: being lifted here. That's an easy, easy task to be done.
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Speaker 1: Okay, I'm very curious about what evidence has been obtained,
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Speaker 1: what evidence has been saved and curated. But let's look
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Speaker 1: at what else the sheriff said, becaus Gibbons listened to this.
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Speaker 1: We couldn't find any clothes. The tracks were the best
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Speaker 1: we could follow. We're not sure those are his. So
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Speaker 1: is he on the side of the cliff? Is he
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Speaker 1: on the road? The sheriff is the one that said
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Speaker 1: they lost him at a road down below. So am
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Speaker 1: I supposed to believe that he vanished into thin air?
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Speaker 1: None of this makes sense. We're sent dogs brought out,
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Speaker 1: where cadaver dogs brought out, where drones brought out? Or
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Speaker 1: was it all just chalked off to some crazy plot
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Speaker 1: where he jumps off a cliff and then gets into
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Speaker 1: a getaway car.
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Speaker 9: Yeah, that's something that doesn't add up. There was a
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Speaker 9: fairly extensive search done with dogs with aerial assets infrared,
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Speaker 9: so you would think, you know, Terrence Woods Junior was
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Speaker 9: not an experienced mountaineer. This was not an experienced outdoorsman
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Speaker 9: that could trek. You know, it would probably take him
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Speaker 9: close to a full day to navigate back to any
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Speaker 9: type of civilization. So you would have to imagine after
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Speaker 9: an extensive search was done with those assets, they would
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Speaker 9: have found him had he died in the elements out there.
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Speaker 9: So you know, that adds a layer to this and
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Speaker 9: a layer of validation to Terrence Woods Senior's question was
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Speaker 9: was he ever.
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Speaker 7: At that site?
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Speaker 12: I talked to him before he went out there, and
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Speaker 12: he seemed fine. It was nothing abnormal. He wasn't acting different,
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Speaker 12: and I you know, I talk to him all the
21:10
Speaker 12: time and it didn't seem like he was depressed. He's
21:14
Speaker 12: not the type of person that would just run off
21:17
Speaker 12: or do anything like.
21:18
Speaker 7: That, so it seems unusual to me.
21:21
Speaker 1: But you know, I wasn't there for our fensy Kate
21:26
Speaker 1: b O. I to Dion Mitchell joining us along with
21:29
Speaker 1: Mahul and Jeria. They are co hosts and produce Crime
21:33
Speaker 1: Redefined podcast and they are the ones that found this
21:38
Speaker 1: case and that's how we at Crime Stories learned about it.
21:42
Speaker 1: So thank you. I guess if others would have their way,
21:45
Speaker 1: nobody would ever know about this case. I don't believe
21:51
Speaker 1: you can suddenly get about of depression and your family
21:55
Speaker 1: not know anything about You've you've ever been depressed, you've
21:59
Speaker 1: ever had suicidal ideation, you're on some kind of medication. Nothing,
22:04
Speaker 1: And what the sheriff is saying doesn't make sense. I mean,
22:08
Speaker 1: you've got the sister stating I taught him just before
22:11
Speaker 1: this and he was fine, he was not depressed. And
22:15
Speaker 1: here's what we call routine evidence. And I do not
22:19
Speaker 1: mean DIONN. Mitchell routine is in typical evidence is routine evidence.
22:24
Speaker 1: I mean evidence of someone's routine. For instance, I get
22:29
Speaker 1: up at five, I make my mother's breakfast, I make
22:32
Speaker 1: my son's breakfast, I make the granny nanny. Each one
22:36
Speaker 1: of them has their own special, unique coffee I make
22:39
Speaker 1: for them. I feed the cat, I feed the dog,
22:42
Speaker 1: feed the guinea pig. And when everybody's gone to school,
22:45
Speaker 1: then I start work. That is my routine and that
22:48
Speaker 1: is not going to change. Heaven help me. This is
22:52
Speaker 1: not his routine. He would never disappear from work, never
22:56
Speaker 1: leave without talking to his parents, and certainly never jump
22:58
Speaker 1: off a cliff.
23:01
Speaker 8: No, absolutely, and everything in his background he was an
23:05
Speaker 8: absolute pro. That's why raw hired him in the first place.
23:08
Speaker 8: And there's all his professors going at University of Maryland,
23:12
Speaker 8: the journalism school. Anybody that's worked from him, from Maryland
23:15
Speaker 8: to London had nothing but great things to say about him.
23:19
Speaker 8: And so all of a sudden, he's just gonna, you know,
23:23
Speaker 8: have a meltdown on the side of a mountain, go
23:24
Speaker 8: taking off. It's so out of character for him, it's
23:27
Speaker 8: unbelievable and we just don't believe it.
23:30
Speaker 10: It's my son, one hundred and thirty pounds. Soogan Web,
23:33
Speaker 10: these guys are big like me, and you're gonna say,
23:35
Speaker 10: you watch this little guy go to kill hisself or
23:38
Speaker 10: whatever you're trying to put out there. Come on, man,
23:41
Speaker 10: they said, when all of them came back up the cliff,
23:44
Speaker 10: their clothes was ripped, some of them were bleeding. Well,
23:47
Speaker 10: they had dogs. You didn't even find a trace of
23:50
Speaker 10: my son's blood nor any ripped clothes.
23:53
Speaker 1: I mean, let's come on, bryfus gibbons, that is BS
23:58
Speaker 1: technical legal term. Scent dogs would have immediately picked up
24:02
Speaker 1: on blood. Did you hear what the dad said from
24:05
Speaker 1: our friends at Fox five? The dad says the friends
24:10
Speaker 1: friends come up with ripped clothes bleeding, but the dogs
24:17
Speaker 1: found no trace of Terrence's blood nor any ripped clothes. Nothing,
24:23
Speaker 1: Why were their clothes ripped? Where did that blood come from?
24:27
Speaker 1: That's also from our friend doctor Field. So this is
24:32
Speaker 1: not fitting together Forensically. They're saying there were there's blood,
24:37
Speaker 1: there were ripped clothes, but the dogs don't pick up
24:39
Speaker 1: on any of that. I believe the dog over the people.
24:44
Speaker 9: Yeah, the logic doesn't add up right. If Terrence Woods
24:48
Speaker 9: Junior was going through the same terrain that these folks
24:52
Speaker 9: from the crew set off to search for him, you
24:56
Speaker 9: would be safe to assume that that same terrain would
25:00
Speaker 9: produce the same results. Scratches on those branches. There's absolutely
25:05
Speaker 9: something that these scent dogs would pick up. As you
25:09
Speaker 9: and I both know a number of cases we've worked
25:11
Speaker 9: on together. The talent of these scent dogs is it's
25:16
Speaker 9: not comprehensible how easily they can pick up a scent
25:22
Speaker 9: in that thick brush that Wood's terrain. So it's not
25:27
Speaker 9: believable that this wouldn't have happened in Terrence Woods Junior
25:31
Speaker 9: as well.
25:32
Speaker 10: He was there for four days and kept on the
25:34
Speaker 10: same pair of socks, same shirt, the same underwear. But
25:38
Speaker 10: they also had a pair of shoes in its luggage
25:40
Speaker 10: inside of a plastic bag which had mud all over them,
25:44
Speaker 10: mud everywhere. At least there should be a pair of
25:46
Speaker 10: pants with a bottom of the pants should have some
25:48
Speaker 10: type of muddle or something on them. That's not even
25:51
Speaker 10: in a bag.
25:52
Speaker 6: Everything had frozen in time, because up to this date,
25:55
Speaker 6: nothing has happened and everything is still the same. The
25:58
Speaker 6: sheriff department out there, they're not doing anything. They said
26:02
Speaker 6: they would not close the case. Nobody give me any
26:04
Speaker 6: information betweening two the case.
26:06
Speaker 1: From Doctor Phil and Fox five. Okay, straight back out
26:11
Speaker 1: to you Mayhel and Jeria co host along with Dian
26:16
Speaker 1: Mitchell crime redfine. The significance of what we just heard
26:20
Speaker 1: that you've got the muddy shoes in a plastic bag
26:26
Speaker 1: in the suitcase, but there are no pants to go
26:30
Speaker 1: with them. Where are his clothes? What are you picking
26:34
Speaker 1: up from what Terrence Wood Senior is saying? What's probative?
26:37
Speaker 1: What does it prove.
26:40
Speaker 3: Well?
26:40
Speaker 6: To me?
26:41
Speaker 3: It may prove that somebody contaminated the scene in the
26:45
Speaker 3: hotel room where they got Terrence's flowing. So it seems
26:48
Speaker 3: like if you were doing a proper investigation, you would
26:51
Speaker 3: close off that hotel room. But it seems that the
26:53
Speaker 3: crew had access to it, and you just start to
26:56
Speaker 3: wonder if the contents of the suitcase were manipulated, as
27:00
Speaker 3: if somebody's trying to hide something, because one pair of
27:03
Speaker 3: muddy shoes and the rest of the nice clean clothing
27:07
Speaker 3: makes absolutely no sense.
27:09
Speaker 10: My son saw something, heard something that he should have
27:13
Speaker 10: seen or should not have heard, and didn't like it.
27:16
Speaker 10: That sound is not in the woods from.
27:18
Speaker 1: Our friends at Fox five, what does he mean by that?
27:22
Speaker 1: What does he mean he thinks his son saw something
27:25
Speaker 1: or knew something he wasn't supposed to know.
27:28
Speaker 8: Dion Mitchell, great question, And you know, because of the
27:32
Speaker 8: I mentioned earlier that there's something happened between the fourth
27:35
Speaker 8: and the fifth, it kind of I could see where
27:39
Speaker 8: Terrence Wood Senior could make that kind of assumption and
27:42
Speaker 8: we haven't seen anything. But that's why we want to
27:44
Speaker 8: do an investigation. I also want to go back to
27:47
Speaker 8: something else, is that a lot of people that are
27:49
Speaker 8: not familiar with this. This location was at forty four
27:51
Speaker 8: hundred feet and the road, the access road to get
27:54
Speaker 8: in from where Terrence went missing to there is a trek.
27:58
Speaker 8: It's a distance and you'd probably need a compass otherwise
28:01
Speaker 8: you're just walking blindly until you just stumble across the road,
28:05
Speaker 8: and then the distance from the hotel to get to
28:07
Speaker 8: the location on a good day is over two hours.
28:10
Speaker 8: So that means that Terrence would have better run down
28:13
Speaker 8: the hill, luckily find the road, and then have a
28:16
Speaker 8: car waiting, and then drive back two hours out without
28:19
Speaker 8: anybody else seeing him. So, Terrence Senior, he's got a point.
28:25
Speaker 1: This is total b s Now. I want you to
28:28
Speaker 1: hear what the father of Terrence wood Sor says about
28:32
Speaker 1: what happened when he gets to Idaho.
28:35
Speaker 6: When he dipped it down on one call and I spoke,
28:37
Speaker 6: he said, mister Woods, something's not right about it.
28:39
Speaker 10: Something is not right.
28:41
Speaker 6: He said, when you get to Idaho, make sure you
28:43
Speaker 6: see me. When I got to Idaho went to the
28:46
Speaker 6: sheriff department, I've seen this person. This person gave me
28:49
Speaker 6: an envelope. He said, whatever you do, don't tell anybody
28:52
Speaker 6: I gave this to you, and don't show it to anybody.
28:54
Speaker 7: No problem.
28:56
Speaker 6: I go back to the hotel room, I open an
28:58
Speaker 6: envelope up the original police report it was called in
29:04
Speaker 6: and its police report is saying detail for detail, what
29:07
Speaker 6: quote unquote was said when they called this in one
29:10
Speaker 6: they said my son was a dark complexion person, not
29:12
Speaker 6: dark at all. Okay, moving along. Then you all said
29:17
Speaker 6: that morning he had an anxiety attack. Okay, Well, if
29:22
Speaker 6: he had an anxiety attack, did you all call professional
29:25
Speaker 6: medical assistance?
29:26
Speaker 1: And no report?
29:27
Speaker 6: Did you would hear or read or anything. No, one
29:30
Speaker 6: never wants up to this second said they call for
29:33
Speaker 6: professional medical assistance.
29:37
Speaker 1: That's right. If he was having all these problems and anxieties,
29:42
Speaker 1: why didn't anyone call his family, called nine one one,
29:46
Speaker 1: do anything to help him.
29:49
Speaker 6: It is not.
29:49
Speaker 1: Corroborated by a single person that Terrence Junior had any
29:55
Speaker 1: type of anxiety. You know that that you just heard.
29:59
Speaker 1: That was father Terrence Wood sing you're desperate for answers
30:02
Speaker 1: about his son. Can you imagine your child just disappears
30:07
Speaker 1: and nobody will help you. He was speaking to our
30:11
Speaker 1: new friends dion Mitchell and Mayheel and Jeria Dionne. Question,
30:16
Speaker 1: I got a problem whenever I hear a cop any
30:20
Speaker 1: LA law enforcement state, Hey, don't tell anybody, but something's wrong.
30:24
Speaker 1: Here here's the police report. I've got a big problem
30:28
Speaker 1: with that.
30:29
Speaker 8: Yeah, that's that's not a good look. And it seems
30:31
Speaker 8: like everything just seems like too clean and too perfect,
30:36
Speaker 8: and then what's being told and what actually happened just
30:39
Speaker 8: start coming together. And I mean, there's I can completely
30:43
Speaker 8: understand Terrence Wood seniors just questioning everything, especially when you
30:48
Speaker 8: get handed in an envelope and say, hey, here's the
30:50
Speaker 8: here's the real police report. But somebody was trying to
30:53
Speaker 8: project a simple story to this that I think is
30:58
Speaker 8: a lot more complicated than we know.
31:00
Speaker 6: Though.
31:00
Speaker 1: Okay, wait till you hear this, Fitzgibbons, wait to you
31:05
Speaker 1: here this listen.
31:08
Speaker 6: You told me, oh, we had to detain him if
31:11
Speaker 6: he had an anxiety attack. Why would you have to
31:14
Speaker 6: detain him somewhere? No, but everything worked out. You still
31:18
Speaker 6: didn't answer that question. Well, everything worked out, and then
31:21
Speaker 6: we went on out and the day was going along.
31:24
Speaker 1: Well, they detain him. He's not having anxiety and they
31:30
Speaker 1: detain him. Terrence Junior, this is none of this makes sense.
31:36
Speaker 1: And when it doesn't make sense, somebody's line. Fitzgibbons.
31:42
Speaker 9: Yeah, I don't like that his personal belongings seem to
31:47
Speaker 9: be sanitized. I don't like the delayed communication to family.
31:52
Speaker 9: I don't like the fact that no one from the
31:55
Speaker 9: crew used their device to call law enforcement. I still
31:59
Speaker 9: don't believe that they had no means to communicate out
32:03
Speaker 9: from that job site. And now we're hearing, you know,
32:08
Speaker 9: they're telling the family member that there was a pretty
32:11
Speaker 9: significant issue that you had to physically detain somebody. This
32:19
Speaker 9: is not adding up.
32:20
Speaker 1: I don't get it either, Mayhol. Why would they detain
32:24
Speaker 1: him if he's having the anxiety issue?
32:27
Speaker 3: To wonder if they're painting a picture that somehow Terrence
32:30
Speaker 3: was a danger to them or something, because we had
32:33
Speaker 3: some claims about his incompetence and now he's having some
32:37
Speaker 3: sort of mental breakdown and they're potentially having to detain him.
32:41
Speaker 3: What about calling for help? What about caring for your
32:44
Speaker 3: coworker above the project. It's not adding up. And again,
32:49
Speaker 3: if we could interview the crew, which should have been
32:52
Speaker 3: done on day one, we would have better answers to
32:54
Speaker 3: this because we have one representative for the crew, which
32:58
Speaker 3: means that we don't have to look at are there
33:00
Speaker 3: different stories that aren't adding up? So the narrative here
33:04
Speaker 3: is just not really reliable. And this is why Dan
33:08
Speaker 3: and I are involved in this case, and this is
33:10
Speaker 3: why we want to initiate a proper investigation. Even though
33:15
Speaker 3: this has gone quite cold as we've discussed, there's a
33:17
Speaker 3: lot of evidence that can be looked at, and let's
33:20
Speaker 3: cut through some of this hearsay stories, let's cut through
33:24
Speaker 3: eyewitness stuff, and let's look for some physical evidence that
33:27
Speaker 3: we can really sink our teeth into.
33:30
Speaker 6: Now you say you're out on the hue and he's
33:32
Speaker 6: acting strained. He tries to grab a drone out of
33:35
Speaker 6: the sky. Still no one sat him down, put him
33:40
Speaker 6: in a car, truck, whatever, and got professional medical assistance.
33:46
Speaker 6: But you all determined that this young man who's been
33:49
Speaker 6: all over the world never had an issue nowhere before.
33:53
Speaker 6: He's what you offered this one trip and it's one morning,
33:57
Speaker 6: although he was with you four days prior in Montana,
34:01
Speaker 6: which you speak nothing of, but that this one morning
34:04
Speaker 6: and Idaho. He wakes up that morning, have a mental
34:08
Speaker 6: breakdown starting the morning off, then just lose it in
34:12
Speaker 6: the evening and leap off a cliff and run like
34:15
Speaker 6: a head. They have pictures on a Facebook page with
34:19
Speaker 6: all of them. In Montana, my son is in none
34:21
Speaker 6: of the pictures. They have pictures of them.
34:23
Speaker 10: In Idaho, my.
34:24
Speaker 6: Son is in none of the pictures. Well, when I
34:26
Speaker 6: had the private investigative, he claimed, which I never got
34:29
Speaker 6: that he had the footage from the hotel. If I'm
34:33
Speaker 6: a sheriff, whatever, Why don't they have the footage from
34:35
Speaker 6: the hotel. So show me some pictures of my son
34:37
Speaker 6: walking in the hotel, walking out the hotel. I have
34:41
Speaker 6: not seen any of that yet, no one, you know
34:42
Speaker 6: what I'm saying.
34:43
Speaker 9: So where's that at?
34:45
Speaker 1: Dave mac joining US Crime Stories investigative reporter, Why don't
34:48
Speaker 1: they have the video of the hotel, of him in
34:51
Speaker 1: the hotel to prove to me when he was last alive?
34:55
Speaker 13: Yep, Nancy, that is a shocking truism here that we
34:59
Speaker 13: don't have a lot of basic information that is readily
35:03
Speaker 13: available to everyone. You know, there's camera actions showing what
35:07
Speaker 13: was taking place at the hotel. He've got the front desk,
35:10
Speaker 13: You've got computer records that would all back up whether
35:13
Speaker 13: or not he was at the hotel, when he was
35:15
Speaker 13: there and when he left. And as it was mentioned,
35:18
Speaker 13: the shoes site is two hours away from the hotel. Nancy,
35:22
Speaker 13: there's a lot of opportunity to find the to actually
35:26
Speaker 13: build a correct timetable of what took place with this
35:31
Speaker 13: man before these stories that just don't make any sense.
35:35
Speaker 13: One thing Nancy that you need to take in mind
35:37
Speaker 13: here the area where they were working out in the woods.
35:41
Speaker 13: They claim that he took off like a hare. Remember
35:44
Speaker 13: he went over to the cliff and he ran so
35:46
Speaker 13: fast nobody could catch up with him. Well, the one
35:48
Speaker 13: thing that the searchers came back was is this area
35:51
Speaker 13: has not been touched by human hands for a long time.
35:54
Speaker 13: There's fallen trees on top of fallen trees on top
35:57
Speaker 13: of fallen trees.
35:58
Speaker 2: You can't run in the area.
36:01
Speaker 13: It's an almost impossible task because it just isn't an
36:04
Speaker 13: area that's cleared out regularly. So from the very beginning,
36:08
Speaker 13: the story fails with the facts presented on the scene.
36:16
Speaker 6: When I was supposed to speak to the whole crew,
36:17
Speaker 6: by the time I got there, it was only one
36:19
Speaker 6: person there. They said that there's no reason for me
36:22
Speaker 6: to speak to anyone else. If you go to work today,
36:25
Speaker 6: I go to work again, and I'm with co workers.
36:27
Speaker 6: God forbid something happen. The first thing your family's gonna say,
36:31
Speaker 6: who is he with?
36:32
Speaker 1: Who is she with?
36:32
Speaker 6: Who are they with? If nothing's funny, nothing's out of
36:36
Speaker 6: the line. He is with Joe Blow, Mike Sally. Damn
36:40
Speaker 6: because your family want to ask the people, hey, what
36:41
Speaker 6: two plates? But when you say no, you cannot speak
36:45
Speaker 6: to nobody and you get everyone out of the country. Really,
36:50
Speaker 6: So when I'm in the sheriff department that morning, now
36:52
Speaker 6: mind you, they don't know I have this paperwork. So
36:54
Speaker 6: I said, why did you all say my son had
36:57
Speaker 6: a mental breakdown and leaped off the cliff? Dude, Simon said,
37:01
Speaker 6: no one ever said that. I said, well, why did
37:03
Speaker 6: you all say my son was dark complexion?
37:05
Speaker 10: No one said that.
37:06
Speaker 6: The sheriff looks down he said, he said, mister Woods,
37:09
Speaker 6: I have a nine one one report right here in
37:11
Speaker 6: front of me. No no one said anything like that.
37:14
Speaker 6: When he blucked lied to me and looked down at paper, no.
37:17
Speaker 10: One said that.
37:19
Speaker 6: No one said anything like that, mister Woods. Where would
37:21
Speaker 6: you get something like that?
37:22
Speaker 10: From?
37:23
Speaker 1: Mayhool? And Jerio with us along with Dion Mitchell, both
37:26
Speaker 1: of them stars of Crime Redefined podcast.
37:30
Speaker 3: Mayhool, who is Simon Simon g was the lead producer
37:36
Speaker 3: on this shoot and he's the one who stayed behind
37:40
Speaker 3: and talked to Terrence in the Idaho sheriff when the
37:43
Speaker 3: other crew members beat it back to the UK.
37:47
Speaker 1: So Simon, the producer is saying, nobody ever had a
37:51
Speaker 1: mental breakdown, Nobody ever said that, nobody ever said he
37:54
Speaker 1: was dark completed, and the sheriff, according to Terrence's father,
37:59
Speaker 1: looked extent that the police report and goes, yeah, nobody
38:01
Speaker 1: ever said that. But the father got the police report
38:06
Speaker 1: and that is what it said. Am I correct?
38:11
Speaker 3: One hundred percent? And this just throws into shadow the
38:14
Speaker 3: fact that they're not turning over any reports. And it
38:18
Speaker 3: makes you wonder because look at the discrepancy in the
38:20
Speaker 3: actual report versus what Simon and the sheriff are saying.
38:25
Speaker 3: I mean, by God's good grace, mister Woods got that
38:28
Speaker 3: report from the individual at the Sheriff's partment. Otherwise we
38:31
Speaker 3: wouldn't even know about these inconsistencies.
38:35
Speaker 1: And we learn about pages being ripped out of his diary.
38:41
Speaker 1: What about it, Dion Mitchell? Is that true pages ripped
38:44
Speaker 1: out of Terence's diary. Let me guess the pages leading
38:48
Speaker 1: up to him running off a cliff.
38:52
Speaker 8: You know, that's the story. And once again I'll say
38:54
Speaker 8: it's it's like the sheriff's department took everything that the
38:58
Speaker 8: showrunner said at face value and really didn't do any
39:01
Speaker 8: extensive you know, investigating or work or trying to retrace
39:05
Speaker 8: Terrence's steps or anything like that. And it seems like,
39:09
Speaker 8: you know, the room being spotless and everything packed up,
39:12
Speaker 8: no dirty clothes. It just seems like they're trying to
39:15
Speaker 8: project that there's nothing to see here, and we're, you know,
39:17
Speaker 8: Mayhele and I, we're just not buying it.
39:19
Speaker 1: I'm not buying the fact that diary pages were ripped
39:23
Speaker 1: out and there's.
39:23
Speaker 6: More anywhere my son go. He's gonna take pictures. He
39:27
Speaker 6: gonna make it, he gonna take pictures of hisself in
39:29
Speaker 6: his camera. He is no nothing, not nothing any with
39:34
Speaker 6: my son's physical body. You would think as soon as
39:37
Speaker 6: I open up, you think all the pictures that I
39:39
Speaker 6: would see would be the first pictures of whatever he
39:42
Speaker 6: took while he was in Idaho. In Montana, you have
39:44
Speaker 6: pictures when he was in Rome. Hot of Rome pictures
39:47
Speaker 6: show up before the Idaho pictures. I can find some
39:51
Speaker 6: of new pictures into midway, flicking to pictures. The pictures
39:54
Speaker 6: that you just took should not be It shouldn't be
39:57
Speaker 6: two hundred pictures in front of them, fifty pictures in
40:00
Speaker 6: front of them. That means somebody went through them and
40:03
Speaker 6: you know what I'm saying, scattered them around or whatever.
40:06
Speaker 6: Someone went through that.
40:07
Speaker 1: That's Terence's father speaking to our new friends Mahul and
40:10
Speaker 1: Juria and Dionne Mitchell bry Fitzgibbons. That stinks to high heaven.
40:17
Speaker 1: Look at your phone, Look at your phone. On the
40:19
Speaker 1: pictures you've taken, they're in reverse chronological order. That's how
40:23
Speaker 1: it goes. I see the photo I took of my
40:26
Speaker 1: son last night, that's the first photo I would see. Okay,
40:31
Speaker 1: then it would go back in time to his fishing trip,
40:34
Speaker 1: to my daughter dressed up to go to a grad party.
40:36
Speaker 1: I'm reeling it off in my mind about the photos
40:39
Speaker 1: that would appear in reverse chronological order.
40:43
Speaker 12: And the dad.
40:43
Speaker 1: I just don't think he would make up this fact
40:46
Speaker 1: that he looked at his son's camera. His son is
40:49
Speaker 1: a photo bug. He takes photos of everything. And the
40:53
Speaker 1: Rome pictures from a Rome trip are there and then
40:57
Speaker 1: scattered way back in the picture the Idaho trip. No,
41:03
Speaker 1: someone has tampered with that camera, Brian.
41:07
Speaker 9: Yes, tampered with the camera, tampered with the clothes, tampered
41:11
Speaker 9: with the diary. Inconsistent statements about his mental state in
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Speaker 9: those last days. You know, any one of these things,
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Speaker 9: if it were associated with this case, you might be
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Speaker 9: able to explain it away. When you now have three,
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Speaker 9: four or five things like this that jumps off the page,
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Speaker 9: This doesn't make any sense. You know, this is someone
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Speaker 9: who's documenting moment to moment with you know, high end cameras,
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Speaker 9: not only his phone but his own personal equipment. That
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Speaker 9: there's no photos or videos from him from this time.
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Speaker 6: Come on, it's thirty two degrees. He runs down his
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Speaker 6: See what did he have on?
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Speaker 9: Oh?
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Speaker 6: He had on we believe a light jacket and some pants.
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Speaker 6: Its old suit that I bought him before he left.
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Speaker 6: That's home with me. He didn't have a snowsuit on.
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Speaker 6: His secondary coat, heppy coat I bought home with me.
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Speaker 6: So he's out out in the woods. Y'all all got
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Speaker 6: on winter coats everything, But he's out there with a
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Speaker 6: little jacket on.
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Speaker 1: No, no, deon Mitchell. I have analyzed similar situations in
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Speaker 1: the past, and I was trying cases and putting them together.
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Speaker 1: If the victim is wearing something inappropriate, that's a big
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Speaker 1: red flag. Right here, he is on the side of
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Speaker 1: a mountain and he's not wearing a heavy coat.
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Speaker 8: No, I completely I completely agree. It just doesn't add up,
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Speaker 8: and it kind of goes to what Senior's saying that
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Speaker 8: he wasn't on the side of the mountain, But yet
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Speaker 8: we have that eyewitness saying that he was. So you
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Speaker 8: you would think that someone you know from the city
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Speaker 8: would be properly dressed, got all this new gear, you'd
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Speaker 8: be wearing it. And once again, the elevation of the
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Speaker 8: of the shoot was at forty four hundred feet. Sun
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Speaker 8: goes over the hill, it gets cold in a hurry,
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Speaker 8: So he would he would have brought it up. It
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Speaker 8: would have been in the van, the transportation van. He
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Speaker 8: would have went and got it. He should have been
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Speaker 8: properly dressed for the shoot if you're going to be
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Speaker 8: out there for you know, to make your day, you know,
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Speaker 8: eight nine ten hours.
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Speaker 1: So we've got the pages leading up to his disappearance
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Speaker 1: ripped from his diary. We have no photos of him
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Speaker 1: up on that mountaintop shoot. We have claims of a
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Speaker 1: sudden onset of mental illness, of a suicide, but no
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Speaker 1: body and let me guess, no cell phone.
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Speaker 8: I believe, yeah, there's no cell phone. And we're going
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Speaker 8: to try to see if once we get hold of
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Speaker 8: the other information off the off the laptop, if there's
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Speaker 8: stuff on the cloud, because Terrence did document everywhere that
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Speaker 8: he went, and that's part of our goal is to
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Speaker 8: kind of retrace his steps from landing in Missoula, Montana,
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Speaker 8: the drive in and see if we can find witnesses
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Speaker 8: along the way that can say, okay, we can fact
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Speaker 8: we say he made it to this point before we
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Speaker 8: move forward.
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Speaker 1: So mayhul Egeria joining us from Crime Redefined podcast. It
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Speaker 1: seems as if the last known sighting of him other
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Speaker 1: than what the crew was saying, was back at the
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Speaker 1: hotel and then something went horribly wrong. Correct.
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Speaker 3: There are some other eyewitness accounts. For example, the night
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Speaker 3: before went missing, supposedly he was seen at a restaurant
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Speaker 3: chatting up a young lady and getting her phone number.
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Speaker 3: So why wouldn't the police talk to that person or
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Speaker 3: try to find them to confirm that that actually happened
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Speaker 3: and that he was in Idaho.
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Speaker 1: Well, he certainly doesn't sound depressed. He is talking to
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Speaker 1: a young lady and getting her phone number, and then
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Speaker 1: suddenly he jumps off a cliff. But his body wasn't found,
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Speaker 1: his clothing wasn't found. The scent dogs didn't pick up
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Speaker 1: on it. Was he ever even there. If you know
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Speaker 1: or think you know anything about the disappearance of Terrence
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Speaker 1: Woods Junior, even if you think it is inconsequential, please
45:14
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45:23
Speaker 1: We remember an American hero Trooper, Matthew Gaddie, Tennessee Highway Patrol,
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Speaker 1: just twenty four, killed in the line of duty, leaving
45:33
Speaker 1: behind a wife now widow Anna American hero Trooper Matthew Gaddie.
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Speaker 1: Thank you to our guest, especially our new friends from
45:43
Speaker 1: Crime Redefined, but especially to you for being with us
45:47
Speaker 1: tonight in our search for Terrence. Nancy Gray signing off
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Speaker 1: for tonight, but I'll see tomorrow night, and until then,
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Speaker 1: good night friend,