Latest / The Vault: The Epstein Files / Kohberger Appealed His WSU Firing Days Before His Arrest (10/1/26)
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- 0:00Speaker 1: What's up everyone and welcome back to the program. After
- 0:05Speaker 1: Brian Koberger was terminated by Washington State University, he appealed
- 0:10Speaker 1: that decision and he wrote a note to the university
- 0:14Speaker 1: attempting to get himself back into the program. However, before
- 0:19Speaker 1: he was able to get a response to that letter,
- 0:21Speaker 1: he was arrested for the murders and the next day
- 0:25Speaker 1: he got the letter that said he'd be suspended immediately. Now,
- 0:29Speaker 1: Brian Kohlberger wrote in his appeal that he could not
- 0:32Speaker 1: afford to return to WSU without his position as a
- 0:36Speaker 1: TA because he depended on that money and insurance the
- 0:39Speaker 1: role provided him with. And I find that to be
- 0:42Speaker 1: wild as hell. Imagine you just got done murdering four
- 0:46Speaker 1: people and this is what you're worried about. Am I
- 0:49Speaker 1: going to get back to my TA position? And in
- 0:52Speaker 1: my opinion, this dude thought he was going to get
- 0:53Speaker 1: away with it. He really thought he committed the perfect crime.
- 0:57Speaker 1: And if it wasn't for that knife sheath being left
- 0:59Speaker 1: at the scene, he might have. Today, we have an
- 1:03Speaker 1: article from People and the headline, Brian Kohlberger hoped to
- 1:06Speaker 1: return to WSU and wrote a letter begging for his
- 1:09Speaker 1: job to be reinstated after Idaho murders. This article was
- 1:13Speaker 1: authored by Chris Spargo. Brian Kohlberger was informed that he'd
- 1:18Speaker 1: been terminated from his teaching assistant position with the Department
- 1:22Speaker 1: of Criminal Justice and Criminology at Washington State University in
- 1:25Speaker 1: a letter dated December 19th, 2022. Yeah, usually if you're
- 1:31Speaker 1: accused of murdering four people, not the kind of publicity
- 1:35Speaker 1: that any kind of job wants. And more times than not,
- 1:41Speaker 1: you're going to get fired. Two days later, on December 21st, 2022,
- 1:47Speaker 1: Kohlberger responded with a letter of his own addressed to
- 1:50Speaker 1: the Dean of Graduate Studies at WSU appealing his termination,
- 1:54Speaker 1: a copy of which was obtained by by people. That
- 1:59Speaker 1: letter made it clear that Koberger had every intention of
- 2:02Speaker 1: trying to return to WSU, where he remained enrolled in
- 2:05Speaker 1: his graduate program despite his termination until his arrest. Well, yeah,
- 2:11Speaker 1: he wasn't going to get kicked out of school, right?
- 2:13Speaker 1: But he lost his job as a TA. And if
- 2:16Speaker 1: you go back and you listen to what people say,
- 2:18Speaker 1: that we're in the classes and that we're going to
- 2:20Speaker 1: school with him, he wasn't exactly well suited for that
- 2:23Speaker 1: position in the first place. Never mind the fact that
- 2:26Speaker 1: he's a quadruple murderer. But even before all of that,
- 2:30Speaker 1: according to a lot of people that were talked to
- 2:32Speaker 1: after the fact, dude was just straight up weird. Wasn't
- 2:37Speaker 1: very helpful. And in fact, was a cranky little bitch.
- 2:41Speaker 1: And then you add to that the fact that he,
- 2:42Speaker 1: you know, got into an argument with the professor, a
- 2:44Speaker 1: bunch of other stuff. And this is what happens in
- 2:47Speaker 1: the real world. If you can't get along with your co-workers,
- 2:50Speaker 1: or your boss especially, you're going to find yourself on
- 2:53Speaker 1: the breadline. or in Brian Kohlberger's case, in a jail
- 2:57Speaker 1: cell for the rest of his life. He would never
- 2:59Speaker 1: hear back about that appeal because nine days later, he
- 3:02Speaker 1: was arrested and charged with the murder of four University
- 3:05Speaker 1: of Idaho students, Madison Mogan, Kaylee Gonsalves, Zanna Kernodle, and
- 3:10Speaker 1: Ethan Chapin. That very same day, a letter was hand-delivered
- 3:14Speaker 1: to Kohlberger at the Monroe County Correctional Facility informing him
- 3:18Speaker 1: of the decision by WSU to impose an emergency suspension
- 3:23Speaker 1: against due to the allegations that he committed four counts
- 3:25Speaker 1: of first-degree murder and one count of felony burglary. Yeah,
- 3:30Speaker 1: that's usually going to get it done. If you're in
- 3:33Speaker 1: college and you do something stupid like this, you're probably
- 3:37Speaker 1: going to get suspended, especially if you're there on scholarship, right?
- 3:41Speaker 1: They're not going to play games with you. And when
- 3:43Speaker 1: we're talking about BK over here, we're not talking about,
- 3:46Speaker 1: you know, somebody that might have cheated on a test.
- 3:49Speaker 1: We're talking about murder. And brutal murder. Not I got
- 3:53Speaker 1: into a fight, punched somebody in the face and they
- 3:55Speaker 1: fell and hit their head and they died murder, okay?
- 3:58Speaker 1: Two very different things. And just the very allegation of
- 4:01Speaker 1: something like this in such a high publicity manner is
- 4:04Speaker 1: going to cause you to lose your job every single time. Now,
- 4:09Speaker 1: approximately four years after Kohlberger moved out of Pullman to
- 4:12Speaker 1: begin his studies, he's serving four life sentences at an
- 4:16Speaker 1: Idaho prison while seeking to overturn the guilty pleas he
- 4:19Speaker 1: entered to those murder charges in July of 2025. It
- 4:23Speaker 1: had been unclear if Kohlberger planned to return to WSU
- 4:27Speaker 1: after he drove back to Pennsylvania for the holiday break
- 4:29Speaker 1: in 2022 with court filings revealing that his dorm room
- 4:33Speaker 1: had been largely cleared out and his shower had no curtain. Well,
- 4:38Speaker 1: he didn't want to come back because he knew. He
- 4:41Speaker 1: knew that he'd murdered these kids and he knew that
- 4:44Speaker 1: eventually he was going to get caught because of Sheath.
- 4:47Speaker 1: Why do you think he was wearing the rubber gloves?
- 4:49Speaker 1: Why do you think he was putting things in the
- 4:50Speaker 1: neighbor's trash? Why do you think he changed his plates?
- 4:54Speaker 1: All of that just happened in a vacuum, coincidentally? Or
- 4:58Speaker 1: was he trying to cover up the fact that he
- 5:00Speaker 1: murdered these four kids? His letter to WSU, which was
- 5:07Speaker 1: filed as part of the federal civil suit his victim's
- 5:10Speaker 1: parents filed against the university, makes it clear that he
- 5:13Speaker 1: wanted to return to Pullman to continue his studies, but
- 5:16Speaker 1: needed his TA position to do so. Upon being accepted
- 5:20Speaker 1: into the criminal justice department, and criminology PhD program at WSU,
- 5:25Speaker 1: I believe that my journey towards self-actualization, involving goals of
- 5:29Speaker 1: contributing positively to society through research, was reaching its next step,
- 5:34Speaker 1: Kohlberger wrote in his appeal. Imagine that's what this dude said, self-actualization? Yeah,
- 5:40Speaker 1: of your morbid fantasies to murder people. You sick, twisted
- 5:45Speaker 1: degenerate you. He went on to say that he was
- 5:47Speaker 1: further impressed by the financial aid package he was provided
- 5:50Speaker 1: because without it, he didn't have the funds possible to
- 5:54Speaker 1: attend WSU. Welcome to the real world, dude. Go get
- 5:57Speaker 1: a job. Go get a job at Burger King or
- 5:59Speaker 1: something and pay your way. I mean, I don't know
- 6:04Speaker 1: what people expect. You know what you're getting into when
- 6:07Speaker 1: you go to college? We all know how stupid expensive
- 6:10Speaker 1: it is. And if you're counting on the TA position...
- 6:15Speaker 1: Or some sort of position within the school that's part
- 6:17Speaker 1: of your scholarship. Breaking news, dude. You better follow the rules.
- 6:22Speaker 1: You better walk the line. Because if not, well, why
- 6:26Speaker 1: should the university continue dealing with your shit? And how
- 6:29Speaker 1: many other people would love to be in that position?
- 6:32Speaker 1: To have the role that Brian Koberger had? So yeah,
- 6:36Speaker 1: I think the university did the right thing. And that's
- 6:38Speaker 1: even before the murders. And I'm basing that on what
- 6:41Speaker 1: we heard from the people that were around them. That
- 6:46Speaker 1: all changed when Kohlberger lost his position at the school.
- 6:49Speaker 1: Kohlberger had been placed on an improvement plan less than
- 6:52Speaker 1: three months into his role following an altercation with faculty
- 6:56Speaker 1: he supported as a TA. And a letter from the
- 6:59Speaker 1: same faculty member detailing how Kohlberger had failed to meet
- 7:02Speaker 1: expectations in his position according to a copy of his
- 7:05Speaker 1: termination letter obtained by people. And that's what I was
- 7:08Speaker 1: just talking about. It wasn't just the murders, right? This
- 7:12Speaker 1: was all bubbling. And Kohlberger was spiraling. And I think
- 7:16Speaker 1: that this all played a part in what ended up
- 7:18Speaker 1: going down. Because he was obviously planning this for quite
- 7:21Speaker 1: some time. Premeditated for sure. You know, casing out the house, etc, etc.
- 7:27Speaker 1: So I think that Brian Koberger was finally pushed over
- 7:30Speaker 1: the edge. And he decided, well, now's the time. At
- 7:36Speaker 1: a meeting a month into that plan, it was acknowledged
- 7:39Speaker 1: that Koberger had made progress. But two days later, there
- 7:42Speaker 1: was another altercation with the same faculty member. And 10
- 7:46Speaker 1: days after that, a letter was signed by the department
- 7:48Speaker 1: chair informing him of his termination. And once he got
- 7:52Speaker 1: that news, it was enough to make this dude snap.
- 7:55Speaker 1: And I think there is a fair amount of strong
- 7:57Speaker 1: evidence that points in that direction. The letter ended by stating,
- 8:02Speaker 1: the termination of your teaching assistantship does not affect your
- 8:05Speaker 1: enrollment as a PhD student in the program. It just
- 8:09Speaker 1: means you got to pick up your weight, right? You
- 8:11Speaker 1: got to pay for it. Koberger wrote in his appeal, however,
- 8:15Speaker 1: that this would not be possible for him without his job.
- 8:18Speaker 1: Without this assistantship, I'm left without health insurance, income, and
- 8:22Speaker 1: security for the upcoming months, he wrote. Welcome to being
- 8:25Speaker 1: in college, bro. Like, I don't know what people are thinking,
- 8:31Speaker 1: but it's a grind. If you don't have people paying
- 8:34Speaker 1: for your school and you're relying on scholarships, you better
- 8:37Speaker 1: dance the tune. And if you don't have that, You
- 8:40Speaker 1: gotta work, man, and it might not be in the
- 8:42Speaker 1: field that you desire. I know I had a bunch
- 8:45Speaker 1: of jobs growing up I didn't want to do. But
- 8:49Speaker 1: one thing I learned early on in life is that
- 8:52Speaker 1: about 80% of the time, I have to do shit
- 8:54Speaker 1: I don't want to do. I only get to do
- 8:56Speaker 1: what I want to do about 20% of the time.
- 9:00Speaker 1: And once I reconciled that fact, things got a lot
- 9:03Speaker 1: easier for me. And unless you have generational wealth, that
- 9:06Speaker 1: grind continues your whole ass life. Koberger said that there
- 9:14Speaker 1: had been no effort to speak with him about what
- 9:16Speaker 1: happened prior to the decision to fire him, and wrote,
- 9:19Speaker 1: hearing all sides of the story is imperative, and failing
- 9:22Speaker 1: to do so reflects that my supervisors did not do
- 9:24Speaker 1: their due diligence in investigating this alleged incident. Without proper fact-finding,
- 9:30Speaker 1: the process of rightful termination of employment is inherently tainted
- 9:34Speaker 1: and biased towards one party's recollection. He then went on
- 9:37Speaker 1: to contest the description of what happened between himself and
- 9:40Speaker 1: the faculty he worked for as an altercation, and claimed
- 9:43Speaker 1: that there had been an eyewitness who would back his
- 9:45Speaker 1: account of what happened that day. Oh, I'm sure. Has
- 9:48Speaker 1: that eyewitness come forward? Has anyone heard from them? Well,
- 9:52Speaker 1: that's right. They haven't. Kohlberger then made a more personal
- 9:57Speaker 1: plea to close out his letter. I am a member
- 10:00Speaker 1: of the Washington State University family who was left in
- 10:02Speaker 1: a dire predicament. Without health insurance or adequate finances to
- 10:06Speaker 1: continue my education, this decision will virtually upend my life,
- 10:11Speaker 1: Koberger wrote. He then closed out by informing the dean,
- 10:15Speaker 1: I wish to continue my education in the Department of
- 10:17Speaker 1: Criminal Justice and Criminology in Washington State University, for I
- 10:21Speaker 1: have grown fond of my cohort members, professors, and cougar family.
- 10:26Speaker 1: Unless this decision is reconsidered and appealed, I must part
- 10:29Speaker 1: ways without much financial security. Again, tough luck, dude. You
- 10:35Speaker 1: make the bed, you gotta lie in it. You can't
- 10:37Speaker 1: have altercations with your boss, your professor, or anybody in
- 10:41Speaker 1: a professional setting and not expect there to be some
- 10:44Speaker 1: kind of ramifications, so the whole entire woe-is-me act falls
- 10:48Speaker 1: on deaf ears as far as I'm concerned. And I
- 10:50Speaker 1: know that Brian Koberger is trying to set himself up
- 10:53Speaker 1: as some kind of victim. And it's true, he is
- 10:56Speaker 1: a victim. But not the kind of victim he wants
- 10:59Speaker 1: you to think. He's a victim of his own narcissism.
- 11:03Speaker 1: A victim of his own hubris. So he can save
- 11:06Speaker 1: the whole entire song and dance for somebody else. I'm
- 11:08Speaker 1: not buying it. Because the real victims here, they can't
- 11:11Speaker 1: appeal their sentence, can they? And that's because, well, you
- 11:15Speaker 1: killed them. So we'll see what happens up here, right?
- 11:19Speaker 1: There's going to be a lot more coming, and there's
- 11:21Speaker 1: going to be a lot more coming out as the
- 11:23Speaker 1: days go by. And as usual, when we have something
- 11:27Speaker 1: new to add to the catalog, we'll get it added.
- 11:29Speaker 1: But until then, all the information that goes with this
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