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Gorgeous petite teacher and mom of three vanishes before 'mystery texts' appear; breaking news on Jeanine Cammarata · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Grace, her is normal. Not since
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Speaker 1: Saturday has anyone seen mother of three and teacher Janine Camarada.
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Speaker 1: Police say the thirty seven year old dropped her boyfriend
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Speaker 1: off at his McVeigh Avenue apartment that night. He reported
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Speaker 1: her missing Tuesday. We spoke to her long time friend,
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Speaker 1: Jessica Pobega over the phone. She says she messaged Camarada
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Speaker 1: on Facebook, but she's convinced it wasn't her, responding, I
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Speaker 1: was like, call me right now, you need to call
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Speaker 1: me or I need to hear your voice. I don't
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Speaker 1: believe you. I don't believe it's you. And then I
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Speaker 1: even asked when last am I story you and the
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Speaker 1: person couldn't respond to it. They didn't answer. They just
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Speaker 1: kept saying I'm okay, I'll call you so but no
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Speaker 1: phone call, police say. Camarada's roommate received a text message
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Speaker 1: from Camarada's phone on Monday saying she's okay, but also
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Speaker 1: does not believe it's her. We spoke to her landlord
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Speaker 1: about this. She told me that the way it was worded,
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Speaker 1: it was not Janine because she would have known right away,
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Speaker 1: you know the way they speak. Landlord and friend Jose Perez,
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Speaker 1: says he hasn't seen her white Chevy Crews parked outside
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Speaker 1: her Cassidy Police apartment in days. The NYPD tweeted this
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Speaker 1: picture of what it looks like license plate number h
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Speaker 1: SK eight four one. Seven officers were outside the home
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Speaker 1: this morning. She works two jobs to support her family.
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Speaker 1: She's always trying to provide for her kids. You know
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Speaker 1: she's a hard worker, but a no show at her
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Speaker 1: two jobs since last week. She teaches at PS twenty
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Speaker 1: nine on Victory Boulevard and the Staten Island Dollar Tree.
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Speaker 1: Her sister says she also didn't show up to court
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Speaker 1: in the midst of a fight for the custody of
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Speaker 1: her kids, who are with her ex husband. She was
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Speaker 1: supposed to have an appearance Monday, and she never showed.
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Speaker 1: Police spoke to Camarada's boyfriend and they say he's not
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Speaker 1: considered a suspect at this time. They're also questioning her
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Speaker 1: ex husband as part of the investigation. Now police plan
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Speaker 1: to use sell signals to try to pinpoint all her
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Speaker 1: locations and get to the bottom of this. I Mancy Grace,
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Speaker 1: this is crime Stories. Thank you for being with us.
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Speaker 1: You are hearing our friend at CBS two, Jenna D'Angelis
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Speaker 1: reporting about the sudden disappearance of a school teacher mom
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Speaker 1: of three who has seemingly vanished. I saw her photo
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Speaker 1: early early this morning, and it really really spoke to me.
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Speaker 1: It's a photo of Janine Camrada. She's just thirty seven
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Speaker 1: years old, and she is with her children. I immediately
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Speaker 1: started searching for her online. I found a photo of
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Speaker 1: her with the biggest smile, surrounded by all of her students.
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Speaker 1: And let me tell you, this is a tiny lady.
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Speaker 1: She's about four to eleven. She weighs about one hundred
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Speaker 1: and twenty pounds, I would guess, and the students, her students,
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Speaker 1: are some of them bigger than her. But she's got
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Speaker 1: the biggest smile. Where is Janine. I'm being joined right
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Speaker 1: now by two very special guests. But first Ashley Wilcot,
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Speaker 1: judge lawyer Ashley Wilcott, dot com doctor Carol Lieberman, forensic psychiatrist,
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Speaker 1: Stephen Lampley, renowned detective Ellen Color and Crime Online dot
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Speaker 1: com investigative reporter. Joining me right now is a friend
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Speaker 1: of Janine's, aj Carbinera, and her lawyer, a very well
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Speaker 1: known lawyer in the tri State area. It is Eric Gansberg. Eric,
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Speaker 1: what can you tell me about Janine's disappearance? Extremely troubling,
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Speaker 1: quite surprising based upon my knowledge of Janine, And I'm
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Speaker 1: terribly worried for her, her family, and especially her children. Well,
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Speaker 1: I'm just sick, Eric. I have two children, and I
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Speaker 1: can't imagine that this mom who's fighting so hard for
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Speaker 1: custody would just bug out in labor three children. I'm
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Speaker 1: not buying it, Eric, I don't believe it either. I
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Speaker 1: had the husband had been served with the papers for
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Speaker 1: the divorce and for custody. On Thursday morning, the twenty eighth,
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Speaker 1: I confirmed the court appearance with Janine. We spoke on Friday.
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Speaker 1: She had made arrangements with the school to take off
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Speaker 1: that day. I appeared in court. Her husband was there,
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Speaker 1: She did not appear. We left the number of voicemails
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Speaker 1: that went directly to her voicemail. We emailed her, and
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Speaker 1: there was never a response because she was not in court,
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Speaker 1: and because the husband had asked the time to hire
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Speaker 1: a divorce lawyer. The case had been adjourned later that day.
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Speaker 1: I guarded learning of the particular circumstances. Well, another thing
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Speaker 1: that speaks to me and I'm gonna go to Janine's friend,
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Speaker 1: AJ Carbonara, and they are friends through another another woman, AJ.
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Speaker 1: Are you friends with Janine through your girlfriend or wife. Yes,
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Speaker 1: it's my wife, Jessica. They've been friends for twenty five years.
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Speaker 1: Oh my stars, Oh my stars. Oh oh no, it
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Speaker 1: is Jessica, the person that received the text or the
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Speaker 1: phone call. Yes, that is correct, she received those messages.
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Speaker 1: I mean she knew immediately that was not Janine. Tell
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Speaker 1: me what happened, because what it says to me as
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Speaker 1: a veteran prosecutor, AJ Carbonera, is that not only does
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Speaker 1: somebody have Janine or took Janine, that they are going
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Speaker 1: to great effort to cover their tracks. And I'll follow
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Speaker 1: that through Stephen Lampley, renowned detective. That means it's not random.
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Speaker 1: Her disappearance is not random unless this really was her
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Speaker 1: on the phone. Steve Lampley. A random kidnapper doesn't go
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Speaker 1: to all the trouble to cover the person up. They kidnap,
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Speaker 1: they rate, they kill, they kidnap, they rob, or and
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Speaker 1: then that that's that. But they don't go to all
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Speaker 1: the Let's call her best friend and pretend i'm her business.
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Speaker 1: Steve Lampley, agree or disagree. I agree with that, Nancy,
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Speaker 1: And from the very beginning of this case and when
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Speaker 1: I learned about it, you and I both know that
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Speaker 1: when in a situation like this is hardly ever end well. Well,
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Speaker 1: I'm holding out hope. Back to AJ Carbonara, AJ, tell
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Speaker 1: me what you can about that mysterious phone call. In
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Speaker 1: those texts guys with me longtime friend A J. Carbinera
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Speaker 1: his wife Jessica received mysterious text and a phone call.
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Speaker 1: She says, it's not Janine and also with me a
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Speaker 1: special guest veteran trial lawyer at Gansberg in the Tri
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Speaker 1: State area. AJ tell me about the phone call on
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Speaker 1: the text, Yeah, the text messages came over and because
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Speaker 1: of the history with Janine's ex husband, they don't ever
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Speaker 1: talk via text message on Facebook Messenger, only through actual
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Speaker 1: phone calls and actual text messages on the phone because
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Speaker 1: her her accounts used to get hacked and her ex
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Speaker 1: would would pretend to be her looking for information or whatnot.
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Speaker 1: So when Jessica, you know, was suspicious about the calls
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Speaker 1: and the text to begin with, she knew, she basically
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Speaker 1: knew immediately that it wasn't her. And that's why if
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Speaker 1: you read the messages, you see how quickly it escalated
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Speaker 1: from you know, you need to call me to I'm
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Speaker 1: calling the police. You know, it really didn't take much
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Speaker 1: time at all. It was only a matter of an hour. Well,
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Speaker 1: what was said in the text message that aroused her curiosity,
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Speaker 1: that made her sus just the fact that it existed
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Speaker 1: in the first place. Like I said, you know, Janine
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Speaker 1: would does not talk to her via Facebook messenger ever
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Speaker 1: because of the past, you know, so the fact that
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Speaker 1: they that they were coming through. And then when jess asked,
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Speaker 1: you know, can you please call me it's it's very important,
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Speaker 1: or you know, whatever it was, whatever it was that
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Speaker 1: she actually said, and then when she didn't, Janine would
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Speaker 1: never do that. You know, they know each other better
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Speaker 1: than anybody. And if Jessica would have asked, you know,
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Speaker 1: to call in an emergency, Janine would have never hesitated.
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Speaker 1: She has never been a flighty person at all, you know,
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Speaker 1: and she would never do this. Her best friend, Jessica,
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Speaker 1: gets a text seemingly from missing mom of three who's
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Speaker 1: holding down two jobs. Hard for me to imagine. You
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Speaker 1: work all day at PS Public School one twenty nine,
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Speaker 1: then you go to your job at Dollar Tree. You
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Speaker 1: never let you always show up, but you don't show
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Speaker 1: up for a court appearance. That okay? So Janine is
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Speaker 1: seemingly texting best friend Jessica, and Jessica gets a text
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Speaker 1: that says, don't call police, quote I have to do
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Speaker 1: this for the children. Something is wrong. Please help us
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Speaker 1: find Janine. Seven one eight eight seven six eighty five
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Speaker 1: hundred seven one eight eight seven six eighty five hundred
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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace her disappear normal. Not since
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Speaker 1: Saturday has anyone seen mother of three and teacher Janine Camerada.
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Speaker 1: Police say the thirty seven year old dropped her boyfriend
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Speaker 1: off at his McVeigh Avenue apartment that night. He reported
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Speaker 1: her missing Tuesday. We spoke to her long time friend
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Speaker 1: Jessica Pobega over the phone. She says she messaged Camarada
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Speaker 1: on facebo book, but she's convinced it wasn't her responding,
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Speaker 1: I was like, call me right now, you need to
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Speaker 1: call me or I need to hear your voice. I
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Speaker 1: don't believe you. I don't believe that you and then
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Speaker 1: I even asked her when last time I saw you,
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Speaker 1: and the person couldn't respond to it. They didn't answer.
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Speaker 1: They just kept saying I'm okay, I'll call you soon.
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Speaker 1: But you are hearing the voice of her best friend,
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Speaker 1: Jessica Carbinera with me her lawyer, Eric Gainsberg. Eric, you
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Speaker 1: have stated before that she was quote terrified of her husband.
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Speaker 1: Why do you say that? Well, from the information she
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Speaker 1: provided to me over the time that from time I
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Speaker 1: first met her till the time she formally retained me.
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Speaker 1: She had left the house that they were sharing back
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Speaker 1: in two thousand and seventeen due to the domestic violence.
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Speaker 1: She did not then have a terrible residence I wish
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Speaker 1: to stay so because the children lived close by her
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Speaker 1: on Staten Island, and because they were in the home
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Speaker 1: that they had grown up and she for that moment
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Speaker 1: felt okay leaving the children there, but she was able
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Speaker 1: to see them. Apparently, the husband was evicted from that
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Speaker 1: residence in July or August of two and eighteen, and
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Speaker 1: that's when he relocated to I think as far as
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Speaker 1: Hills Queens, no far rockaway, excuse me. And that's when
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Speaker 1: she came back to see me and said, we have
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Speaker 1: to get things moving. Guys. We are getting breaking news
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Speaker 1: right now. A body has been found at a storage
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Speaker 1: facility on Staten Island. Is it the teacher, mother of
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Speaker 1: three who has been missing. We are getting information from
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Speaker 1: within the investigation from senior law enforcement. The circumstances surrounding
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Speaker 1: the discovery of a body at a story unit are
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Speaker 1: not clear, but at this moment there is a huge
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Speaker 1: law enforcement presence is a huge storage center. We are
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Speaker 1: learning that cops are working now to determine if this
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Speaker 1: is the body of thirty seven year old Janine Camarado.
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Speaker 1: She has not been seen since Saturday night at her
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Speaker 1: home in New Springville. Eric Gagsberg with me, her lawyer
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Speaker 1: and longtime friend, Aj Carbonara, his wife Jessica, best friends
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Speaker 1: with Janine. Aj. What can you tell us if anything
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Speaker 1: about a storage unit? Did the husband have a storage unit?
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Speaker 1: To your knowledge? I don't know, but it coincides with
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Speaker 1: the information that we do know about the last time
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Speaker 1: her vehicle was seen coming in and out of Staten Island.
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Speaker 1: What do you mean by that? What do you know
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Speaker 1: about her vehicle? A few days ago, my wife and
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Speaker 1: I we went looking for her car because it was
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Speaker 1: a piece of the puzzle that was missing, and we
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Speaker 1: came across two Task Force Police officers who told us
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Speaker 1: they were also looking for the vehicle, and they showed
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Speaker 1: us the a arizontal bridge pictures of when her vehicle
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Speaker 1: crossed over from Brooklyn to Staten Island last and it
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Speaker 1: also shows that Michael's minivan did the same thing not
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Speaker 1: not long after hers. So it just looked it looked
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Speaker 1: very suspicious to us because he really has no reason
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Speaker 1: to be in Staten Island other than to drop off
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Speaker 1: his daughter who still goes to school there. But this
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Speaker 1: was on a Sunday. I got a question for you,
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Speaker 1: Aj CARBINERA. The Staten Island photo of the bridge just
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Speaker 1: like a traffic cam. Who was driving the car? Could
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Speaker 1: you make it out? The cameras I don't think are
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Speaker 1: designed to steve who's really driving. It's recently the Verzonal
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Speaker 1: Bridge has become a totalist bridge. So now they just
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Speaker 1: take photographs of all the license plates and if you
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Speaker 1: have easy pass, they build your account. If you don't,
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Speaker 1: they send you a ticket in the mails for the bill.
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Speaker 1: So I think it's mostly aimed at the license plates.
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Speaker 1: They showed us pictures. I couldn't see anybody who was driving.
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Speaker 1: Let me ask you a quick yes no question. Aj
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Speaker 1: CARBINERA wife best friend, Janine. I know that you got
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Speaker 1: she got the unusual text, but I understand there was
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Speaker 1: an unusual phone call as well. Was there a woman
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Speaker 1: on the other end of the line that I am
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Speaker 1: not a show? I'm not sure of that. That doesn't
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Speaker 1: ring a bell too. Ashley Wilcot judge, lawyer anchor. You
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Speaker 1: can find her at Ashley Wilcott dot com. Say to me,
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Speaker 1: the plot thickens because who who is part of this?
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Speaker 1: Was a woman on the line repeatedly saying I'm okay,
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Speaker 1: I'm okay, but then wouldn't answer any questions who was
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Speaker 1: driving her vehicle and who was driving his vehicle? Let
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Speaker 1: me hold on, aj if when you see and on
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Speaker 1: the Verrizono Bridge her vehicle, which I believe is a
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Speaker 1: what a white Chevy? How much longer after the white
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Speaker 1: Chevy crosses the Verizono Bridge, do you see he has
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Speaker 1: the husband's vehicle. Well, it was on two different occasions.
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Speaker 1: It was early in the afternoon, around like four o'clock ish,
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Speaker 1: that's when her car first came in. Maybe around five
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Speaker 1: or five thirty the van came in. They both went
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Speaker 1: back to Brooklyn later on, and they both came back
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Speaker 1: to Staten Island once again around between nine and eleven.
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Speaker 1: Right now, we do not know if the body found
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Speaker 1: in the storage unit has anything to do with Janine
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Speaker 1: Camarade's disappearance. Asked you, Wilcott, what do you make of it?
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Speaker 1: Because I know there has been domestic abuse allegations in
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Speaker 1: the past. Now she goes missing, he shows up to
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Speaker 1: court to fight for custody, and she's in no show,
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Speaker 1: totally unlike her. I mean, Ashley, come on, we both
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Speaker 1: shop at the Dollar Tree. We both have been in
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Speaker 1: school teaching before subbing. Long story short. A woman that's
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Speaker 1: holding down two jobs, never late, never misses, She's got
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Speaker 1: to miss a court date. Ashley. Yeah, Unfortunately, it's not
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Speaker 1: good because all of the signs, all of the red
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Speaker 1: flags are she would not go away voluntarily and leave
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Speaker 1: her children the custody battle her friends. Thank goodness. Her
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Speaker 1: best friend trusted her gut and said, wait a minute,
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Speaker 1: this text is not from her. I don't believe it.
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Speaker 1: Number one, number two, Thank goodness. Everybody's been involved reporting
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Speaker 1: because somebody knows something. The missing vehicle is a huge
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Speaker 1: piece of this. Somebody knows something. I'm prayerful. I hate
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Speaker 1: that this has happened. I hate it for her children,
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Speaker 1: but regrettably I don't see it ending well. To doctor
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Speaker 1: Carol Laborman, forensic psychiatrist, let me ask you a very
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Speaker 1: narrow question, doctor Laborman, what do you tell the children
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Speaker 1: when nobody knows where mommy is. Yes, that's a tough question. Um.
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Speaker 1: We know obviously, first of all, the children have gone
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Speaker 1: through so much before this, so much tumult because of
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Speaker 1: all the domestic violence and the separations and all of that.
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Speaker 1: So they are starting off with a very fragile kind
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Speaker 1: of psychological state. You just have to tell them until
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Speaker 1: you know that she is dead and that that that's
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Speaker 1: her body. For example, you have to tell them that
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Speaker 1: we're looking for mommy, that mommy loves you. We know
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Speaker 1: she wouldn't leave you, you know, want to leave you,
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Speaker 1: and we're still looking for you. Keep up some hope
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Speaker 1: until you know for sure that she really is dead.
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Speaker 1: Here is our friend, Kenneth McCallan at WAC Listen investigators
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Speaker 1: have spent more than twenty four hours questioning Janine Camarade
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Speaker 1: is estranged husband here at the one two oh precinct.
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Speaker 1: He's charged with assault for now for admitting to hitting Janine.
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Speaker 1: In the past, detectives have been at Michael camarade as
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Speaker 1: far rockaway home, and we're getting a timeline of the
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Speaker 1: days leading up to Janine's disappearance. Thursday, Janine's attorney says
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Speaker 1: Michael was served with divorce papers Friday, Michael invited Janine
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Speaker 1: over to see their children, and Janine was last seen
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Speaker 1: Saturday on Staten Island, saying that she was going to
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Speaker 1: see the kids at her estranged husband's home. Janine hasn't
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Speaker 1: been seen in four days, and her attorney is concerned.
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Speaker 1: I've been doing this almost thirty five years. Nothing surprises
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Speaker 1: me anymore. Unfortunately, this does not sound like it's going
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Speaker 1: to end well. Police have not publicly connected Michael to
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Speaker 1: his estranged wife's disappearance. Welcome back to search for a
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Speaker 1: missing teacher and mother of three. Janine Camarada is on
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Speaker 1: and with me a renowned attorney in the Tristate area,
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Speaker 1: Eric Gasberg, who is representing Janine Camerata. Eric, I would
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Speaker 1: I want to know what your response is to the
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Speaker 1: fact that right now we are hearing reports about a
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Speaker 1: body in a storage unit. Do you know of any
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Speaker 1: connection between that unit and Janine? And what do you
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Speaker 1: make of it only from what I heard from news sources,
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Speaker 1: so I have no personal knowledge of any of fact.
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Speaker 1: If it is true, it's devastating father and because of
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Speaker 1: the circumstances, seem to now be losing their father. Of
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Speaker 1: course of action that he may have committed, the devastating
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Speaker 1: effect on the family, the friends, and especially the children.
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Speaker 1: It's heart directed with me her lawyer, Eric Gainsberg, who
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Speaker 1: was steering her, navigating her through a divorce and trying
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Speaker 1: to get custody offered children. Eric, thank you for being
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Speaker 1: with us. Right now. We are hearing live information that
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Speaker 1: I'm looking at a live aerial view coming from ABC
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Speaker 1: seven right now as tons of police are now swarming
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Speaker 1: a storage unit. This is a new Springville a body
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Speaker 1: found early early today. Is it Janine Camerada. I'm going
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Speaker 1: now to Ellen klaurin Crime Online dot Com investigative reporter Allen.
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Speaker 1: I'm also learning about other surveillance video hold on Ellen.
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Speaker 1: Aj Carbonaro wants in and he is really the source
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Speaker 1: of our knowledge right now. Aj Carbonara, what can you
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Speaker 1: tell me you're learning from Jessica? Just the latest is
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Speaker 1: that the police, it was confirmed from the police department,
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Speaker 1: but they're still going to run tests that they do
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Speaker 1: think that it is her. You know that nothing has
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Speaker 1: been printed officially. Why Aj, Why what had Janane been
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Speaker 1: going through trying to get a divorce, trying to get custody?
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Speaker 1: She was she was so excited for it. I mean,
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Speaker 1: it's been a long time coming, you know, the lawyers
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Speaker 1: and her where we're trying to serve him for I'm
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Speaker 1: not sure how long, but it was for a while,
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Speaker 1: and when it finally happened this past week, I think
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Speaker 1: it was Wednesday, he was finally served. She she was
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Speaker 1: just so excited. She called Jessica immediately, you know, and
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Speaker 1: then a few days later she disappears. You know, so
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Speaker 1: we kind of we kind of knew, you know when
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Speaker 1: you say you kind of knew, you know, Aj Carbonara,
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Speaker 1: there have been so many times in court when I've
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Speaker 1: had homicides or kidnaps or missing people, you know, you know,
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Speaker 1: and that's not anything you can put on in a
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Speaker 1: court of law. You can't go take the standing go.
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Speaker 1: I just knew I would bring on witnesses or try
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Speaker 1: to anyway, but I'd have a hearsay problem. Say. The
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Speaker 1: last thing she said is if anything happens to me,
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Speaker 1: X did it? Or I want to give you a
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Speaker 1: spare key to my place in case there's an emergency.
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Speaker 1: I mean, words like that can't come into court because
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Speaker 1: they're hearsay, and you can't go in front of a
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Speaker 1: jury and say, I know this is what happened. Tell me,
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Speaker 1: why articulate to me as best as you can. Why
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Speaker 1: you and Jessica believe you know what happened. It's just
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Speaker 1: the history. We've been, you know, close with them for
22:27
Speaker 1: a long time, and Mike has always been on my
22:30
Speaker 1: radar as an abusive person, although I had never actually
22:34
Speaker 1: seen it in person, but just the stories that we've
22:37
Speaker 1: been told, and we just there was no other suspect
22:42
Speaker 1: in our mind. It's amazing to me that he if
22:46
Speaker 1: you're right, If you're right, we don't have an arrest
22:50
Speaker 1: on this, we don't have a charge, we have nothing.
22:52
Speaker 1: Innocent until proven guilty. Okay, we all know that, but
22:55
Speaker 1: it's amazing to me that he would show up in court,
22:59
Speaker 1: you know, well groomed, dressed with his lawyer blah blah,
23:03
Speaker 1: and she's not there. She would never not show up
23:07
Speaker 1: to court to get her children. That's all she wanted.
23:11
Speaker 1: She's working two jobs to afford a lawyer to fight
23:14
Speaker 1: and get her kids. That's what she lived for. I mean,
23:20
Speaker 1: there's and as he stood in that courtroom, if this
23:23
Speaker 1: had happened prior to that Monday, he had already known
23:26
Speaker 1: she wasn't going to show up? Did you? And she
23:30
Speaker 1: takes a special kind of evil. Man, You're not kidding,
23:34
Speaker 1: You're not kidding, AJ CARBINERI question. I'm also learning that
23:39
Speaker 1: other surveillance video obtained by police show the husband with
23:45
Speaker 1: a large bag leaving his Rockaway apartment shortly after Janine,
23:54
Speaker 1: then later showing up at the storage facility on Arden Avenue.
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Speaker 1: Did Was she afraid of him? Was she afraid he
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Speaker 1: would harm her? Aj? She always was? There was There
24:10
Speaker 1: was times when she called us from her phone, but
24:13
Speaker 1: the phone she didn't answer. She just left the line
24:16
Speaker 1: open for us to listen, and I would just hear
24:18
Speaker 1: him fighting and arguing with her. And at one point
24:21
Speaker 1: it got to it got so bad that Jessica and I,
24:24
Speaker 1: we live in New Jersey, we jumped in the car
24:26
Speaker 1: and actually just drove over there because we were afraid
24:29
Speaker 1: that something was going to happen. So nothing did that night.
24:33
Speaker 1: But this is this is the kind of stuff that
24:35
Speaker 1: we've dealt with over the last you know, sevent eight years.
24:38
Speaker 1: When you were listening to him ranting and raving, why
24:43
Speaker 1: was he angry? What was he arguing about? Just their relationships,
24:50
Speaker 1: the fact that she wasn't happy all the time. And
24:52
Speaker 1: you know, I think that was pretty much the very
24:54
Speaker 1: beginning of when the divorce was being put in motion,
24:58
Speaker 1: you know, or the separation I should say, was being
25:00
Speaker 1: put in motion, and you know, he just didn't want
25:03
Speaker 1: to accept it, obviously. And here's another thing. If you're
25:06
Speaker 1: in a relationship, since nobody asked me, Ashley Willcott, and
25:11
Speaker 1: you have to hack into your partner's email to find
25:14
Speaker 1: out what's going on, or you have a partner hacking
25:17
Speaker 1: in right there, you need to get out of that
25:19
Speaker 1: one time, one time, Ashley. Once in all the years
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Speaker 1: I've known David Lynch, I read his email. I didn't
25:27
Speaker 1: hack because I knew the code so obvious, and I read.
25:31
Speaker 1: My head nearly blew off. It was so boring, it
25:34
Speaker 1: was awful. I thought I was just my eyes were bleeding.
25:37
Speaker 1: I had to quit. So that was, you know, that
25:40
Speaker 1: was years ago. I haven't even considered hacking into his email.
25:43
Speaker 1: I don't want to read his email. I'm perfectly I
25:47
Speaker 1: hope these words don't come back to bite me in
25:48
Speaker 1: the neck, But I'm perfectly convinced. I don't need to
25:52
Speaker 1: read his email, and he has all my codes. I
25:56
Speaker 1: want him to read my email and see how busy
25:58
Speaker 1: I am and beg for help. So, you know, the
26:01
Speaker 1: fact that she knows he's hacking in and she won't
26:05
Speaker 1: even you know, send regular emails and texts to her
26:08
Speaker 1: friend Jessica, that is very, very probative. It proves something
26:15
Speaker 1: to me, oh absolutely. And the thing that's so tragic
26:19
Speaker 1: and domestic violence cases that have horrible, tragic endings that
26:22
Speaker 1: I hope this one doesn't, but sounds like it's gone
26:25
Speaker 1: that direction. She was doing the right thing to get
26:28
Speaker 1: out of it. She recognized that as the red flag.
26:31
Speaker 1: She finally says, I'm going to do the right thing.
26:34
Speaker 1: I'm gonna file for divorce, I'm gonna fight for custody
26:36
Speaker 1: of my children. I'm going to a lawyer, I'm retaining
26:38
Speaker 1: the lawyer. All of the right steps, and yet she
26:43
Speaker 1: disappears Elic Laura, what about their relationship as AJ told us,
26:48
Speaker 1: The fact that she wouldn't even use Facebook, Messenger or
26:54
Speaker 1: any other platform besides her phone to communicate with her
26:58
Speaker 1: friends because she was so fearful that her stranged husband
27:02
Speaker 1: would hack into them. Tells us a lot, and so
27:05
Speaker 1: does the text messes exchanges between this person purporting to
27:10
Speaker 1: be Janine and her friend. Her friend is saying to her,
27:14
Speaker 1: I need to hear from you. I need you to
27:16
Speaker 1: pick up the phone and call me. And she's trying
27:19
Speaker 1: to call her friend and she's not picking up the phone.
27:22
Speaker 1: She's sending one sentence replies I'm okay, I'm okay. I
27:27
Speaker 1: need to turn my phone off. That is very, very suspicious,
27:30
Speaker 1: and as we know, Janine's friend Jessica knew right away
27:34
Speaker 1: that something was very wrong because it's the history Clime
27:45
Speaker 1: stories with Nancy Grace breaking news. At this moment, we
27:52
Speaker 1: are learning police are swarming I'm watching a live feed
27:55
Speaker 1: of it right now a new Springfield storage facility. A
28:02
Speaker 1: body has been found there. If you have any information
28:05
Speaker 1: regarding the whereabouts of a missing mom of three, Janine Camerada,
28:10
Speaker 1: please dial seven eight eight seven six eighty five hundred
28:15
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28:18
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Speaker 1: all the information. Please look at her photo. To John Linley,
28:29
Speaker 1: Crime online dot Com investigative reporter, joining me right now,
28:32
Speaker 1: what have you learned? John? You've been investigating the search
28:35
Speaker 1: at the storage unit. What do you know? Right? A
28:38
Speaker 1: lot of activity taking place there around that storage facility
28:42
Speaker 1: that you've been talking about. We're just receiving word that, yes,
28:46
Speaker 1: a body believed to be that of Janine has been
28:50
Speaker 1: found at this Staten Island storage facility. Police were tipped
28:55
Speaker 1: off about this storage facility thanks to the surveilent video
29:00
Speaker 1: police acquired this video. It showed her a strange husband, Michael,
29:05
Speaker 1: with a large bag, leaving his Rockaways apartment, then showing
29:10
Speaker 1: up later at this storage facility on Arden Avenue. Again,
29:15
Speaker 1: cops have recovered a body at this storage facility. We
29:18
Speaker 1: must say that it has not been confirmed to be
29:22
Speaker 1: that of Janine Camorada. Two police cars, city medical Examiner's
29:27
Speaker 1: vehicle among the many emergency vehicles. They're still parked outside
29:33
Speaker 1: the storage facility. Detectives still processing the scene. Now. One update,
29:39
Speaker 1: if you can call it that, that we've been able
29:41
Speaker 1: to receive from investigators is that they're still puzzled about
29:46
Speaker 1: what to make about this series of cryptic messages sent
29:49
Speaker 1: from Janine's phone in the hours after she vanished. Cops
29:53
Speaker 1: are still trying to ascertain the meaning of the text
29:56
Speaker 1: and whether Janine or someone else sent the bizarre missive
30:02
Speaker 1: to her worried friend. I'm going to circle back on
30:05
Speaker 1: the text. But one of them says when Jessica writes
30:10
Speaker 1: I'm going to call police, the cryptic text says, I
30:13
Speaker 1: don't want that. I have the kids. I apologize. I
30:16
Speaker 1: have to do this for the children. Jessica saying that's
30:20
Speaker 1: not how she would talk, not how she would talk
30:23
Speaker 1: at all. This series of cryptic messages joining me right now,
30:28
Speaker 1: aj Carbonera, longtime friend of Janine's, his wife Jessica has
30:33
Speaker 1: been her best friend for twenty five years. Right now,
30:37
Speaker 1: those text messages maybe some of the strongest evidence police
30:42
Speaker 1: have a j again, what was in the messages that
30:45
Speaker 1: aroused your wife's suspicion? Now, just the fact that she
30:49
Speaker 1: would would not have used a Facebook messenger. And the
30:52
Speaker 1: other thing is is that we were calling her cell
30:55
Speaker 1: phone and it was going directly to voicemail, which told
30:59
Speaker 1: us that it was either offer battery was dead or whatever.
31:01
Speaker 1: But it was not working yet, we were still receiving
31:05
Speaker 1: messages from Facebook Messenger, which again is so out of
31:09
Speaker 1: the ordinary for Janine that you know, it was just
31:12
Speaker 1: it was an immediate red flag. That's exactly what her
31:15
Speaker 1: landlord tells us. Jose Perez says that she would always
31:18
Speaker 1: text him where she's at or what's happening, but he
31:22
Speaker 1: has not heard from her. Now we know she and
31:25
Speaker 1: the husband have had a very let me just say,
31:27
Speaker 1: to multuous relationship and they were going through a divorce
31:31
Speaker 1: in ongoing child custody. What do you make of, claims
31:35
Speaker 1: aj Carbonera. Do you know anything about this? Him harassing her,
31:39
Speaker 1: following her in her car? And I understand that she
31:43
Speaker 1: had a boyfriend, and if that's true, that probably that
31:46
Speaker 1: could have been the last straw that broke the camel's back. Yes,
31:51
Speaker 1: but she's had another boyfriend. Before we thought we were
31:54
Speaker 1: over this. He had been stalking her for quite a while.
31:57
Speaker 1: I mean this was going back I want to say
32:00
Speaker 1: maybe three years. Uh, and she she fell in love
32:03
Speaker 1: with someone and was dating someone for about a year
32:07
Speaker 1: and a half and he actually passed away sadly. Um
32:10
Speaker 1: from I think it was a diabetes related illness, and
32:15
Speaker 1: that just crushed her. And then she met Aaron, her
32:18
Speaker 1: current boyfriend, at the Dollar Tree. And you know, but Mike,
32:23
Speaker 1: Mike was out of the picture by then for quite
32:25
Speaker 1: a long time. So the fact that this all happened
32:28
Speaker 1: again is just so sudden. You know, Oh, we don't know,
32:32
Speaker 1: we don't know what this woman has been through. To
32:39
Speaker 1: doctor Carol Laberman, when you have an X following you
32:43
Speaker 1: around in your car, hacking into your emails, it doesn't
32:48
Speaker 1: get better. After working at the Battered Women's Center in
32:51
Speaker 1: Atlanta for nine years as a volunteer, I have told
32:55
Speaker 1: so many women it doesn't get better until you break
32:59
Speaker 1: the side whole. You have to leave, You've got to
33:02
Speaker 1: start fresh. That's when it's going to get better for you.
33:05
Speaker 1: You have to. And you know what, your children growing
33:08
Speaker 1: up seeing this, because they'll do the same thing unwittingly
33:13
Speaker 1: when they seek out a partner, Carol. Yes, they repeat this,
33:18
Speaker 1: and they have difficulty use forming close relationships because they
33:22
Speaker 1: seem dangerous. But you know what's so important about this
33:25
Speaker 1: is as a warning to women, battered women, is that
33:28
Speaker 1: this is the most dangerous time when a woman finally
33:32
Speaker 1: decides to leave. Of course, you know they should when
33:35
Speaker 1: it's gotten to this point and even before, but this
33:39
Speaker 1: is the most dangerous time when you finally leave, even
33:42
Speaker 1: if they've been estranged for a while. The man who's
33:45
Speaker 1: a batterer does not want to be abandoned by the woman,
33:49
Speaker 1: and this, this final abandonment, as he feels it, brings
33:54
Speaker 1: out the violence in him. And it's so you have
33:57
Speaker 1: to be so super careful during this time that you
33:59
Speaker 1: are separating, making the final cut exactly, that's what brings
34:05
Speaker 1: out their extreme anger. Take listen to our friends at
34:08
Speaker 1: ABC seven Weekend. I would reporter Kennis McCallan live on
34:12
Speaker 1: Staten Nino with Tennis Caboard. Yeah King, Good morning. Janine
34:18
Speaker 1: Camarada has been missing since Saturday and she now has
34:20
Speaker 1: family coming into town today to help. As they searched
34:23
Speaker 1: for her, her friends really became concerned where she didn't
34:26
Speaker 1: show up to work here at PS twenty nine, where
34:29
Speaker 1: she works as a substitute teacher for the past two days.
34:32
Speaker 1: A friends saying that it is really unlike her. This
34:34
Speaker 1: is the thirty seven year old mother of three. She
34:36
Speaker 1: was lasting leaving her boyfriend's home Saturday night. She told
34:38
Speaker 1: him she was going to Queen's to see her children
34:41
Speaker 1: on her strange husband's home, and this week she didn't
34:44
Speaker 1: show up for work at both of her jobs at
34:45
Speaker 1: the school or at a dollar tree, and her friends say,
34:48
Speaker 1: what is magnifying their concern or strange texts from someone
34:51
Speaker 1: they say is claiming to be Janine. When the friend
34:54
Speaker 1: threatened to call the cops after they hadn't seen Janine,
34:57
Speaker 1: the reply from Janine's phone was that she didn't want that,
35:00
Speaker 1: going on to say, I have to do this for
35:02
Speaker 1: the children, but the children were No, she didn't see
35:07
Speaker 1: the children this week then, so I don't know never
35:10
Speaker 1: might who that was and what they were covering for
35:13
Speaker 1: something that happened, And I don't know what it is,
35:16
Speaker 1: and I really hope the wrong you were hearing the
35:19
Speaker 1: voice of her dear friend, Jessica. Jessica's husband aj Carbinero
35:23
Speaker 1: with us, where are the children? A j who has
35:26
Speaker 1: them right now? Yes? The children actually I believe with
35:30
Speaker 1: Child Protective Services at the moment. Oh no, oh no.
35:35
Speaker 1: Her sister flew up from Louisiana this past Who did
35:39
Speaker 1: Ashley Wilcot juvenile judge? The children are just lost in
35:44
Speaker 1: the sauce by of course, no intent of Janine Camarada.
35:49
Speaker 1: I just can't get that picture of her out of
35:51
Speaker 1: my mind that's online of her with Oliver Stevens and
35:55
Speaker 1: this big plan about creative writing she had created way
36:00
Speaker 1: in Ashley. So here's what's hard about. The child welfare
36:04
Speaker 1: system really is one of the best in the world. However,
36:07
Speaker 1: when you have two parents absent and there's no one
36:10
Speaker 1: else right in the immediate geographical area who can take
36:14
Speaker 1: the children, typically child welfare has to take the children.
36:18
Speaker 1: The problem is it's not so easy that then a
36:21
Speaker 1: relative comes in from out of town and they get
36:23
Speaker 1: the children right then. Instead, typically there has to be
36:26
Speaker 1: a home evaluation. They have to consider the home. If
36:29
Speaker 1: it's out of state, it has to go through what's
36:31
Speaker 1: called ICPC, which can take time. So now these children
36:35
Speaker 1: are a victim of the system because she was a victim.
36:39
Speaker 1: The last thing I've got to say, Nancy, nobody else
36:42
Speaker 1: is saying it. I do not believe. I know the
36:45
Speaker 1: husband has not been charged. I know that, However, I
36:48
Speaker 1: do not believe that he was not involved in her disappearance.
36:52
Speaker 1: Investigators have recovered a body inside extra space storage on
36:56
Speaker 1: Arden Avenue in Arden Heights. AJ is just receiving information
37:03
Speaker 1: from inside the police investigation that it is confirmed to
37:08
Speaker 1: be Janine right now, our prayers are with her children,
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Speaker 1: Nancy Grace Crib's choice, signing off goodbye, Flip