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Hutton & Withrow: Is Shane Beamer Finished at South Carolina? Plus Alabama Looks Unstoppable | Hour 2 · Hutton & Withrow Show

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Speaker 1: Chad, Kentucky's improved, but they're not one of those teams
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Speaker 1: that should be coming back trailing by double digits on
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Speaker 1: the road in the SEC. And that's exactly what happened
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Speaker 1: this week as South Carolina loses again. And yet again,
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Speaker 1: South Carolina's up like 17-0, right?
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Speaker 2: And then we see the comeback.
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Speaker 1: That can't happen, but I believe it did Based on
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Speaker 1: the locker room starting to just kind of... If they're
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Speaker 1: not throwing in the towel, they're not all the way
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Speaker 1: bought in. When Beamer's talking about, man, just an excellent practice. Man,
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Speaker 1: this locker room, we're tight. If you don't want to
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Speaker 1: be with the group that's all together, then we're going to.
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Speaker 2: Show you the door. Whatever.
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Speaker 1: You can't speak things into existence if things are starting
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Speaker 1: to deteriorate. I believe he had it. I don't think
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Speaker 1: he's got it now. And ultimately, that's going to doom
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Speaker 1: any chance... of saving what is a death march right now.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, South Carolina has blown double-digit leads in three of
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Speaker 2: their last four conference games, Hutton. They had a 30-3
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Speaker 2: lead a year ago at A & M, lost 31-30,
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Speaker 2: 16-0 lead over Mississippi State. They lost 41-34, 17-0 over
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Speaker 2: Kentucky at home, and lost 35-34. It felt like when
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Speaker 2: that two-point conversion was called, by the way, credit the
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Speaker 2: balls of Will Stein, To say, yeah, we're going to
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Speaker 2: go for two in the win. And to have a
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Speaker 2: play drawn up where you get a guy wide open
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Speaker 2: in the back of the end zone. Beautiful job by him.
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Speaker 2: Really like what he's done with that Kentucky program quickly.
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Speaker 2: But it did feel like not necessarily the passing of
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Speaker 2: the torch, but the torch being extinguished from one coach
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Speaker 2: to the next. I agree. Take your torch and leave.
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Speaker 2: You now may extinguish your flame. That's what it felt
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Speaker 2: like Will Stein was saying to Shane Beamer in that moment.
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Speaker 2: I like Shane Beamer. He's done some really nice things
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Speaker 2: in South Carolina. There is some speculation for people that
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Speaker 2: cover the program that he's going to be safe because
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Speaker 2: they don't have the money for the buyout they're going
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Speaker 2: to owe him and to pay another coach. So he may,
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Speaker 2: by default, get another year just based on this. There's
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Speaker 2: a lot of talk about just the nature of the
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Speaker 2: sport now, too, where it feels like the pressure's always
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Speaker 2: been there, but it feels like the toxicity of a
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Speaker 2: fan base is can sour even quicker now because of
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Speaker 2: the knowledge of money that's at hand for players and
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Speaker 2: everything else and coaches. And you create this system where
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Speaker 2: the conference is so good and so deep and there's
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Speaker 2: so much parity that fans are having a hard time understanding.
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Speaker 2: You might take it on the chin from one weekend
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Speaker 2: to the next. Florida is a great example. The way
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Speaker 2: they looked against Ole Miss, now the way they come
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Speaker 2: back and get just housed on the road at Missouri.
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Speaker 2: Ole Miss the week before, national story. beats Lane Kiffin
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Speaker 2: in LSU, goes to Florida and gets rocked. Then suddenly
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Speaker 2: they don't look nearly as good. This is going to
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Speaker 2: be a week-to-week story in really not just the SEC
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Speaker 2: but across the country too. I just don't see any
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Speaker 2: way the way this thing is trending now for Shane
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Speaker 2: Beamer in South Carolina that as an administration they could
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Speaker 2: with a straight face say, yeah, we're going to keep
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Speaker 2: this guy for another year. Yeah, so the toxicity from.
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Speaker 1: The fan base, it's not just, hey, the conference is
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Speaker 1: really good, so week to week you may win some lose.
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Speaker 1: They've been up by double digits now in their conference games,
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Speaker 1: and this is now the fourth time we've seen them fall.
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Speaker 1: You just lay that out there. They're on an eight-game
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Speaker 1: losing streak there. Right now, sure, I can't find the money.
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Speaker 1: Considering buyouts, this is a low buyout, considering buyouts. They'll
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Speaker 1: find the money if this continues. Because someone will step
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Speaker 1: up and be like, I'm tired of doing this. Because
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Speaker 1: where we are right now, if you don't have the
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Speaker 1: buyout money for a low buyout, Chad, you don't.
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Speaker 2: Have a chance to compete.
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Speaker 1: And it's not like they've got a terrible roster. They
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Speaker 1: have a talented roster. Because they continue to have players
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Speaker 1: that are NFL worthy. That are not just NFL worthy,
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Speaker 1: that are... number one, number two off the board at
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Speaker 1: their position. So with that in mind, the results have
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Speaker 1: to be there. And I respect Shane Beamer. I really
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Speaker 1: like the guy because he takes it on the chin.
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Speaker 2: He's honest.
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Speaker 1: He doesn't mind a tough question. He'll answer it honestly.
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Speaker 1: And he's at the podium postgame just going, yeah, look,
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Speaker 1: I understand this is not good enough, but no, I
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Speaker 1: haven't heard anything from the administration. I, If it's happening now,
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Speaker 1: it's not going to get any better. They've got Florida
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Speaker 1: coming up now. When you're dropping games to Mississippi State
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Speaker 1: and Kentucky, it's not like you look at the horizon
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Speaker 1: and be like, oh, we have a chance to turn
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Speaker 1: this around.
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Speaker 2: We've got Mississippi State and Kentucky coming up. No, no, no, no.
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Speaker 1: You've already dropped those games. Up next is the juggernaut.
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Speaker 2: If South Carolina was Vandy this year, if they were
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Speaker 2: starting a talented, true freshman quarterback, If it felt like
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Speaker 2: a reset, even after a disappointing last year, I think
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Speaker 2: you could easily sell that to the fan base and
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Speaker 2: everyone else and say, look, we like we have a quarterback.
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Speaker 2: We got some young pieces are going to be really
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Speaker 2: good a year from now. This is a growing season.
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Speaker 2: That's going to be tough at times. We're going to
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Speaker 2: stick with our guy. We believe in his mission. We
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Speaker 2: believe in the message, the team. We believe in what
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Speaker 2: he's done and what he will do. You could sell
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Speaker 2: it at that point. Problem is they're coming off a
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Speaker 2: disappointing year and they convinced Lenora Sellers to not transfer.
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Speaker 2: They convince Nick Harbour to not transfer. They convince Dylan
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Speaker 2: Stewart to not transfer and stay and come back for
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Speaker 2: another year, who's currently not even with the team, who's
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Speaker 2: suspended indefinitely after just outward disrespect towards the entire coaching
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Speaker 2: staff on the sideline in front of everyone. You mix
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Speaker 2: it with all those things together, and it's a tough
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Speaker 2: sell because this looks like the year where South Carolina,
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Speaker 2: coming in, they were a dark horse. Hey, this team
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Speaker 2: could be what I thought Mississippi State could be. This year, right?
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Speaker 2: The Dark Horse, they're very talented. They're veteran. They've got
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Speaker 2: three dudes that are going to be high NFL draft
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Speaker 2: picks possibly. This is what this team could be this year.
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Speaker 2: And now falling to 0-3 in conference, staring down the
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Speaker 2: barrel of a trip to the swamp, and you're going
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Speaker 2: to have an angry Florida team based on John Sumrall's
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Speaker 2: postgame comments after he said it was an embarrassing performance.
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Speaker 2: And like a man, they've got to own the performance
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Speaker 2: and admit it and move forward. It's not going to
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Speaker 2: be pretty. in the swamp this week for Shane Beamer.
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Speaker 2: Then the talk becomes they get a bye week after that,
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Speaker 2: then they host Tennessee. So will Tennessee be facing an
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Speaker 2: interim coach because the bye week's going to be in
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Speaker 2: between both of them for that October 24th game? That's
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Speaker 2: a big question mark. I don't know. These buyouts are extreme.
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Speaker 2: He re-upped recently after that good year before last year's
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Speaker 2: bad year. So it's going to cost South Carolina a
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Speaker 2: ton of money.
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Speaker 1: But in regards to the ton, it's a lot of money,
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Speaker 1: but it's $ 24 million.
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: You know, it's not the, what is it, for Lincoln Riley,
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Speaker 1: who got a nice win, like 70. But it's the
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Speaker 1: extreme of the opposite. If you can't afford the 20,
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Speaker 1: if you're waiting on the buyout to go down by
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Speaker 1: $ 2 million, then don't give the large buyouts. But it's
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Speaker 1: going to happen. You know, does he make more than Vrabel?
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Speaker 1: He's going to when he gets fired. We used to
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Speaker 1: play that game. Does this coach make more than Braywell?
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Speaker 1: Shane Bieber will. That's nuts, man. Bama, meanwhile, how about
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Speaker 1: the Crimson Tide, who took care of business?
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Speaker 3: 56-23.
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Speaker 2: They put up 56 points on the road. This Kalen
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Speaker 2: DeBoer offense with Keelan Russell, is the best in the
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Speaker 2: conference right now. I'm calling it. We're over a third
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Speaker 2: of the way through the season, and based on what
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Speaker 2: we've seen, Alabama has the best offense in the SEC.
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Speaker 2: They are going to be difficult for everyone. They are
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Speaker 2: a problem for this entire conference. I think, Hutton, right
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Speaker 2: now you've got three teams that have separated themselves in
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Speaker 2: the SEC. Alabama, Georgia, who will play this week, Texas
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Speaker 2: is the third with that win over Ohio State, and
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Speaker 2: then the win on the road in Knoxville. Those are
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Speaker 2: the three teams that look different and better than everyone else.
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Speaker 2: LSU will have something to say about that, I think,
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Speaker 2: as the year goes on. By the way, LSU at
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Speaker 2: Kentucky this week, sneaky, top-notch game, and a big-time problem
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Speaker 2: for LSU going on the road with what we've seen
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Speaker 2: from Will Stein and Kentucky recently. I think LSU handles
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Speaker 2: business in that one, but I'm putting that upper echelon.
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Speaker 2: Those three, to me, are in a different league. right
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Speaker 2: now than everyone else in the conference based on what
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Speaker 2: we've seen so far. But also what we've seen so
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Speaker 2: far is it's week to week. We really don't know.
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Speaker 2: It's going to be a different story every single week,
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Speaker 2: even for those teams. And of course, Oklahoma gets a
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Speaker 2: chance to say their season this weekend in the Red
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Speaker 2: River shootout against Texas. So a big opportunity for them.
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Speaker 1: And Tennessee's will come up in a week from now,
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Speaker 1: as long as they take care of business against Arkansas. Chad,
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Speaker 1: just thoughts on Bama. The defense with the turnovers that
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Speaker 1: they were able to take advantage of set up that
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Speaker 1: offense in that game.
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Speaker 2: That was.
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Speaker 1: Man, just not meeting the moment. Mississippi State doesn't meet
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Speaker 1: the moment right there. The way going into the game
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Speaker 1: is how we would feel probably this week about Kentucky, right?
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Speaker 1: And again, it's South Carolina. Well, Mississippi State is getting
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Speaker 1: the win over Missouri. And then you have, now you're
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Speaker 1: hosting LSU.
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Speaker 2: And there's going to be some hype behind Will Stein.
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Speaker 2: That's great.
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Speaker 1: But, yeah, I'm with you. I think LSU will get
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Speaker 1: that done. But the whole deal with Mississippi State is
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Speaker 1: just they came out flat. They look confused. Quarterbacks throwing
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Speaker 1: right to defenders. Credit Alabama's defense. Offense is very efficient.
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Speaker 1: And you're not going to beat Bama whenever you're turning
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Speaker 1: it over as often as they were.
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Speaker 2: Keelan Russell, 16 for 22, 285, three touchdowns, no interceptions.
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Speaker 2: QBR of 96.8. It is his ability to run. I'll
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Speaker 2: say this because he didn't really run in this game.
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Speaker 2: He had like 17 yards rushing. It's his threat of
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Speaker 2: running mixed with his precision accuracy deep down the field
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Speaker 2: that makes him such a threat. Because when he gets
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Speaker 2: loose also, it's not just, oh, he's going to take
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Speaker 2: off and get seven yards. This guy could put it
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Speaker 2: on a dime for a gain of 45 down the
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Speaker 2: field with guys streaking open. So he's a problem. He's
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Speaker 2: only a redshirt freshman. He's going to be a problem.
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Speaker 2: for everyone in the SEC. Super impressed with Alabama. And
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Speaker 2: with this tropical storm coming up through the Gulf this week,
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Speaker 2: I'm looking at radar, and right now it looks like
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Speaker 2: an absolute monsoon in Tuscaloosa on Saturday. So that could
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Speaker 2: be a grounded-out type game and really hurt. I think
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Speaker 2: that helps Georgia in that situation with Alabama's offense if
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Speaker 2: they can be grounded because of really bad weather. We'll
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Speaker 2: continue to monitor the weather situation all week in that game,
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Speaker 2: but can't wait for this one on Saturday, Hutton. Again, Alabama, Georgia,
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Speaker 2: Texas to me have separated from the rest of the conference.
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Speaker 1: Man, We are seeing coaches, we mentioned coaches gone wild,
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Speaker 1: whether they're telling it like it is in an interview
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Speaker 1: chat or reacting in a certain way. Deion, we haven't
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Speaker 1: heard from old prime in a while. We haven't heard
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Speaker 1: from prime time. And, well, that's because they're not playing
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Speaker 1: in prime time. Neither is the offense. Here's Deion Sanders
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Speaker 1: discussing Colorado's offensive efforts.
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Speaker 2: In just within these last few weeks, what is the
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Speaker 2: main contributor on why the offense is not producing?
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Speaker 3: You know what it is. I said you're going to
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Speaker 3: run with it. You know darn well what it is.
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Speaker 3: Just say it right at yourselves. You know what it is.
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Speaker 3: It ain't no– it's blatant. It ain't no ifs, ands,
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Speaker 3: buts about it. I would respect you all a lot
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Speaker 3: more if you all just said it yourself.
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Speaker 2: So that Hutton is a coach who is, without saying it,
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Speaker 2: because he doesn't want to be the one who rolls
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Speaker 2: one of his players under the bus, saying that the
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Speaker 2: issue is quarterback play and the quarterback is the issue
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Speaker 2: with the offense. And how do I know, Hutton, that
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Speaker 2: that's what he's saying? Because when asked about why he
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Speaker 2: benched Juju Lewis, here was his response.
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Speaker 4: Hey, Coach. Brian Howe from buffblitz.com. Obviously, you benched Juju
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Speaker 4: from first to third string, it looks like. Then Isaac
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Speaker 4: didn't play well.
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Speaker 3: I would love Juju to come here and he tell
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Speaker 3: you what happens.
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Speaker 2: So don't you.
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Speaker 3: Bench Juju first to third string?
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Speaker 2: No, that's not how it went down.
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Speaker 4: Well, that's what it looked like, so I'm just asking.
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Speaker 3: It didn't happen like that.
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Speaker 2: Okay.
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Speaker 4: But you benched Juju, and then Isaac doesn't play well.
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Speaker 4: As you go into this bye week, is it an
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Speaker 4: open competition at quarterback?
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Speaker 2: It's always open competition.
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Speaker 3: Every darn day is open competition. That's the position that
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Speaker 3: is somewhat disabling us and disarming us.
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Speaker 4: Every day is like that.
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Speaker 2: Do you feel that? Well, derd. Gosh, derd. And I'm
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Speaker 2: going to start referring to things as that's what's somewhat
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Speaker 2: disabling us and disarming us right now. That's a very
15:42
Speaker 2: nice way of saying the quarterback sucks, and that's why
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Speaker 2: we can't do anything on offense. It's a position that's
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Speaker 2: somewhat disabling us and disarming us right now, as I
15:51
Speaker 2: say this. Deion Sanders is the king of... Instead of
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Speaker 2: just directly answering a question or not answering a question,
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Speaker 2: of saying an answer that I find enjoyable every time
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Speaker 2: that brings about 15 more questions into play. I mean,
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Speaker 2: he did this earlier when he said, hey, there's some
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Speaker 2: guys back there who are no longer on the team.
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Speaker 2: I just kick some guys off the team. And then
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Speaker 2: the week of, everybody's back in practice. No one's kicked
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Speaker 2: off the team. I don't know what he's talking about.
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Speaker 2: Everyone's asking questions about who's still on the team, who's not,
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Speaker 2: and he doesn't answer after that. He loves postgame to
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Speaker 2: just start throwing things out there that bring on more questions.
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Speaker 1: So he tells the media, you go and write it.
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Speaker 1: If I say it becomes a story, are they allowed
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Speaker 1: to write it? They're not allowed to report on practice.
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Speaker 1: They can't report on anything, stretch, nothing. Absolutely no detail.
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Speaker 1: You can't write. You can't transcribe. You cannot voice message.
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Speaker 1: You cannot video. You can't use sign language. They listed everything.
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Speaker 1: You can't sew these letters into a report. I have
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Speaker 1: no idea what the media policy is in Colorado because
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Speaker 1: the media is not allowed to tell us. So are
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Speaker 1: they allowed to just go ahead and say it? Also, man,
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Speaker 1: go ahead and say it because you've always done that.
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Speaker 1: You kicked how many players off when you arrived? Beating
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Speaker 1: your chest about it. Whenever you win, you want the
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Speaker 1: media to, are you guys going to ask a question now?
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Speaker 2: Now what? You know, like, Ed Werner, go ahead.
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Speaker 1: You know, like, be fair with what this is. And
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Speaker 1: they're back at practice, Chad, because Dio's the one that brought.
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Speaker 2: Those dudes in. He also said, that's not what happened.
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Speaker 2: When they said, you benched Juju and went to, he's like,
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Speaker 2: I didn't say that. Well, you need to get, let's
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Speaker 2: get Juju in here. You can ask him what happened.
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Speaker 2: Did he take himself out of the game? Did he quit?
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Speaker 2: I mean, what exactly happened? Because we've got another example
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Speaker 2: in our Coach Has Gone Wild segment. Yes, we do.
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Speaker 2: Of a coach who quit after being told something that
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Speaker 2: he didn't like. He wasn't fired. Let's make a distinction here.
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Speaker 2: Jim Mora Jr., first year at Colorado State, had a
18:05
Speaker 2: new defensive coordinator and a new defensive play caller during
18:08
Speaker 2: the game, and here was his explanation as to why
18:10
Speaker 2: it happened. We didn't see Tyson on the sidelines in
18:14
Speaker 2: the second half. Did you elect to make a change there?
18:17
Speaker 5: Tyson was relieved of his play-calling duties. He left the field,
18:22
Speaker 5: and he's no longer with this football program. That's a
18:27
Speaker 5: permanent thing.
18:28
Speaker 2: That is a permanent. So can he take over SDC then?
18:30
Speaker 5: Kenny will be the primary play-caller. He was put in
18:36
Speaker 5: a very difficult situation tonight, and he responded well, and
18:39
Speaker 5: the players responded well. The very first play he called
18:43
Speaker 5: as a defensive coordinator his entire life was a sack-cause fumble.
18:46
Speaker 5: So we're going to get better.
18:48
Speaker 2: We're going to get a lot better.
18:49
Speaker 5: He's a good football coach.
18:51
Speaker 2: Did you anticipate that he would leave the field when
18:53
Speaker 2: he was relieved?
18:54
Speaker 5: That wasn't anything that I would ever consider. I just
18:58
Speaker 5: relieved him of his duties as a play caller. He
19:00
Speaker 5: made the decision on his own to leave the field,
19:02
Speaker 5: and he is no longer with the program.
19:06
Speaker 1: Yeah, so they take play calling away duties from him,
19:08
Speaker 1: and he says– See you guys.
19:11
Speaker 2: I'm headed home. I'm out of here. GTFO. You think
19:14
Speaker 2: he handed over his binder and his play sheet to
19:17
Speaker 2: the other guy and said, yeah, have fun, man. Enjoy
19:19
Speaker 2: working with this guy. You're going to have a blast
19:22
Speaker 2: after he relieved him of his duties. Crazy, crazy weekend
19:26
Speaker 2: in the state of Colorado for college football between Deion
19:29
Speaker 2: Sanders and Jim Mora Jr. That guy, by the way,
19:32
Speaker 2: is wild. Jim Mora Jr. He is. People who work
19:36
Speaker 2: for him and The way he behaves at times, he's
19:39
Speaker 2: a wild man.
19:40
Speaker 1: Yes, to say the least. Also, same thing for P.J.
19:43
Speaker 2: Fleck.
19:45
Speaker 1: Check out the celebration. They get the job done. Minnesota
19:49
Speaker 1: beats Michigan. And he's drinking and chugging out of the jug. Well,
19:56
Speaker 1: it's definitely earned. Look at this guy.
19:59
Speaker 2: Row your boat, man.
20:02
Speaker 1: Man, for all of the messages and all the cheesy
20:05
Speaker 1: slogans and stuff, this dude is all in.
20:09
Speaker 2: Look at this guy. It looks like he's at a rave.
20:14
Speaker 2: I feel like he's in a full body cast on Sundays.
20:17
Speaker 2: Just from the amount of effort he puts forth to
20:19
Speaker 2: celebrate and be on the sideline.
20:21
Speaker 1: The amount of steps he gets in on the sideline.
20:23
Speaker 2: He's not a young guy anymore. And he is strong.
20:26
Speaker 1: Look at the leap up in the arms of players.
20:30
Speaker 1: Look at him scream here. We need some neon lights
20:34
Speaker 1: to glow in the dark here. This guy is just...
20:37
Speaker 1: What's he like on a normal day? You think he
20:40
Speaker 1: goes to Burning Man? When it's not game day. Imagine
20:43
Speaker 1: this guy drunk. That's how crazy he would be.
20:46
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's wild. He rubbed blood on his face last week.
20:50
Speaker 2: And one of his players was bleeding. He grabbed the
20:52
Speaker 2: blood and smeared it all over his face when he
20:55
Speaker 2: was celebrating with one of his players. Hey, I'll say
20:58
Speaker 2: this too, man. P.J. Fleck. an example of just stick
21:02
Speaker 2: with it with somebody and you get good results based
21:05
Speaker 2: on the program you're at, which that, that, uh, that
21:08
Speaker 2: level of patience isn't going to exist in college football
21:10
Speaker 2: right now. And I know a part of it is
21:12
Speaker 2: he's not gotten the job that he wants to leave.
21:15
Speaker 2: Minnesota probably would have left at some point if he
21:18
Speaker 2: had a great opportunity, but he's getting it done. And
21:21
Speaker 2: he's been there for a while now at that program.
21:23
Speaker 2: So good for him, bad, bad for Michigan. Um, They
21:27
Speaker 2: need to consider doing what Josh Heupel did on Saturday.
21:30
Speaker 2: I mean, it's time to go with somebody else other
21:32
Speaker 2: than Bryce Underwood, regardless.
21:34
Speaker 1: Of what they're paying him. I felt like they tried to,
21:36
Speaker 1: and then they won against Oklahoma. They were looking for
21:41
Speaker 1: that move early, because the coach was certainly willing to
21:44
Speaker 1: say it publicly. Imagine P.J. Fleck in a job interview, Chad.
21:50
Speaker 1: I mean, it would be too much. I mean, it
21:54
Speaker 1: would be the opposite end of the spectrum of Mike McDaniel.
21:57
Speaker 2: Well, and Kyle Whittingham is saying, I've been in this
22:00
Speaker 2: profession for 41 years, I think he said. He's like,
22:02
Speaker 2: this is the most challenging team I've been around.
22:05
Speaker 1: Because of what they were allowed to get away with.
22:09
Speaker 1: There's no telling what that dude walked into in that
22:11
Speaker 1: football program.
22:12
Speaker 2: I think you also, the idea is you hire Kyle Whittingham.
22:17
Speaker 2: He's going to replicate Utah with better resources and with
22:20
Speaker 2: a better program and a better fan base and all that, right?
22:23
Speaker 2: Bigger everything. And he's going to do what he did
22:26
Speaker 2: at Utah. The problem is what you can do at
22:29
Speaker 2: Utah with the players you recruit, oftentimes it's got to
22:32
Speaker 2: be a different approach at a Michigan with guys and
22:35
Speaker 2: what they're promised and what they're getting paid and what's
22:38
Speaker 2: going on within that roster. So not every job, it's
22:42
Speaker 2: not just as easy to say, let's take Utah and
22:44
Speaker 2: Salt Lake City and pick it up, pull the roots
22:48
Speaker 2: down and put roots down in Ann Arbor and do
22:51
Speaker 2: it the exact same way we did at Utah, but
22:52
Speaker 2: with better players. It would work that way. If he
22:56
Speaker 2: can do that, it's going to work and work very well.
23:00
Speaker 2: I believe that with him at Michigan. But it's easier
23:04
Speaker 2: said than done based on what you're inheriting, the situation
23:08
Speaker 2: of the players on that roster and everything else. We're
23:09
Speaker 2: seeing that at Michigan this year because they look very
23:12
Speaker 2: average as a football team. They're a very average Big
23:15
Speaker 2: Ten team right now. Nothing better, nothing worse.
23:17
Speaker 1: He inherits a total mess, but I said at the time,
23:20
Speaker 1: that's the guy they had to go after because he
23:22
Speaker 1: comes in, he can stabilize things, do it his way.
23:26
Speaker 1: But you have to allow him to build things and
23:29
Speaker 1: cut your losses. I'm with you on the quarterback play, man.
23:34
Speaker 1: The question is, is he going to have full autonomy
23:38
Speaker 1: to do it? My guess is yes, just based on
23:41
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23:44
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23:51
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23:55
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23:59
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24:02
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25:35
Speaker 1: Carly Ursae Gordon is the owner of the Colts, Chad.
25:41
Speaker 1: Fair or foul for her to be on the sideline,
25:43
Speaker 1: and she's wearing a headset, she's taking notes.
25:45
Speaker 2: Why is this a story... Well, it's a story because
25:49
Speaker 2: she's talking to coaches and asking them questions mid-drive for
25:53
Speaker 2: the first time that I've seen. I've seen her note-taking.
25:57
Speaker 2: I've never seen her. I haven't seen her do that.
25:59
Speaker 2: I've seen her note-taking on the side with the headset
26:01
Speaker 2: up and listening to what they're saying and just kind
26:03
Speaker 2: of silently in the background. But here is her actually
26:06
Speaker 2: talking to coaches and asking questions during the game about
26:11
Speaker 2: decisions they're making and what they're doing. This is her
26:14
Speaker 2: in the game at Tottenham Hotspur. But she's coming over
26:17
Speaker 2: asking for clarification on different things.
26:22
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know who that person is right there,
26:24
Speaker 1: but if he's a coach, he's not doing very much. Yeah.
26:29
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm just saying, like, she's been on the sideline. Like,
26:34
Speaker 1: I don't think it's a distraction for them anymore because
26:35
Speaker 1: she's been on the sideline for over a season now.
26:39
Speaker 1: I wouldn't particularly like it if I'm a coach or
26:43
Speaker 1: a player.
26:44
Speaker 2: Oh, I think the coaches hate it. I would, too.
26:47
Speaker 2: I mean, they absolutely hate it. Like, if you gave
26:50
Speaker 2: any coach their choice of, you could have Carly Ursae Gordon.
26:54
Speaker 2: Is it Gordon Ursae or Ursae Gordon?
26:55
Speaker 1: I believe it's Ursae Gordon.
26:57
Speaker 2: Yeah, there it is. Ursae Gordon. I flipped it in
26:58
Speaker 2: my mind for some reason. Carly Ursae Gordon, or you
27:01
Speaker 2: could have an owner who never shows up to the
27:04
Speaker 2: games and just watches from somewhere else. They would take
27:07
Speaker 2: the owner who never shows up to games. Certainly not
27:09
Speaker 2: one that's on the sideline doing that. Nope.
27:12
Speaker 1: We spoke with Dockage about this back then. And it
27:16
Speaker 1: was explained that at first it was explained that she's
27:19
Speaker 1: trying to learn about the job itself, inheriting the team,
27:22
Speaker 1: all that stuff, right? Well, she still claims that she
27:26
Speaker 1: doesn't use the headset to tell the team or the
27:29
Speaker 1: coaches what to do, but more to just communicate and
27:33
Speaker 1: organize and feel with what she's doing and what she's
27:37
Speaker 1: looking at, why it is what they're doing and why
27:40
Speaker 1: it doesn't or does match up. with her assessment. Look,
27:44
Speaker 1: I mean, we can agree, disagree. I mean, I think
27:47
Speaker 1: it's foul because I want to get out of the
27:49
Speaker 1: way of my coaches to let them do their job.
27:52
Speaker 2: But I don't know.
27:54
Speaker 1: Is she really going over there saying, like, we're going
27:56
Speaker 1: to hand off here.
27:57
Speaker 2: What are you doing?
27:57
Speaker 1: Like, let's do what Akron did and allow a fan
28:00
Speaker 1: to come down here, like the owner, like me, to
28:02
Speaker 1: come down here and call plays. I don't know if
28:04
Speaker 1: she's doing that. It's absolutely a distraction, though. And by now,
28:08
Speaker 1: you should have a great assessment on what you're doing
28:13
Speaker 1: what those guys are doing on the sideline as the
28:15
Speaker 1: owner of the team. How about go up in the
28:17
Speaker 1: box and see what your GM's doing during the game?
28:19
Speaker 2: Well, I'm going to say the obvious fact here, too.
28:23
Speaker 2: She's a woman. And a lot of people are going
28:26
Speaker 2: to respond to that and react and say she's a
28:28
Speaker 2: woman in football. And because she's a woman, she looks
28:30
Speaker 2: like a little girl running around and doesn't know what
28:32
Speaker 2: she's doing, asking all the guys what's going on. And
28:35
Speaker 2: that becomes more of a distraction. I don't think that's fair.
28:37
Speaker 2: I would say this about any owner doing that. She
28:40
Speaker 2: clearly knows football. and she's trying to understand more of it.
28:43
Speaker 2: So that part of it to me is unfair, but
28:46
Speaker 2: that is a big part of the response from a
28:48
Speaker 2: lot of people. Now, you could do what another female
28:50
Speaker 2: owner in the league does, an Amy Adams-Strunk, and just
28:53
Speaker 2: have someone who's your eyes and ears that reports back
28:55
Speaker 2: on everything they're seeing and hearing on a sideline, in
28:58
Speaker 2: a conference room, or wherever those meetings take place. I
29:02
Speaker 2: believe there's a better way to accomplish what Carly Ursae
29:05
Speaker 2: Gordon is trying to accomplish without being on the sideline
29:09
Speaker 2: talking to staffers and being right there in the middle
29:11
Speaker 2: of a huddle the entire game or right behind the coaches,
29:15
Speaker 2: you could do this from your owner's box. You can
29:18
Speaker 2: have an ear into what's going on and what's being
29:20
Speaker 2: said and what's being called, and you can jot notes
29:22
Speaker 2: down based on how the coaches are talking to each other.
29:25
Speaker 2: You can have someone that says, hey, vibes are really
29:28
Speaker 2: good on the sideline during this game, or vibes are
29:30
Speaker 2: really down, or we had this player yell at this
29:32
Speaker 2: position coach, or we had this position coach yell at
29:35
Speaker 2: this player. You could do it a different way without hovering.
29:39
Speaker 2: And I think the hoveriness is what becomes a distraction
29:43
Speaker 2: for an NFL franchise when your owner is there around
29:47
Speaker 2: everything because it's like when the teacher's there or the
29:50
Speaker 2: substitute teacher is there. You're going to behave differently as
29:53
Speaker 2: a middle schooler when the actual teacher's there versus the sub. Well,
29:57
Speaker 2: when your owner is there, You know, this is like
30:00
Speaker 2: undercover boss. When your owner's there or your boss, you're
30:03
Speaker 2: going to behave differently or say things differently as opposed
30:06
Speaker 2: to when they're not there. So I don't know that
30:08
Speaker 2: you're getting a true read on everything if you're her also. Well,
30:11
Speaker 2: I mean, she's seen the good and the bad.
30:14
Speaker 1: They started out last year hot, had one of the
30:17
Speaker 1: best offenses in the NFL, then they get injured. She
30:20
Speaker 1: keeps the staff around. I will say this, two things.
30:25
Speaker 1: She's a woman, yes.
30:25
Speaker 2: She's the owner. She can do whatever the hell she wants.
30:29
Speaker 2: She's the owner. Let's say that.
30:30
Speaker 1: And number two, she's also an Ursae. Her father was
30:35
Speaker 1: as eclectic as they come. And aside from that, it's
30:39
Speaker 1: so straight. He had to be the guy that tweeted
30:41
Speaker 1: out the inactives every week. He had to be the
30:44
Speaker 1: guy that teased whether or not they were going to
30:46
Speaker 1: open or close the roof every week. And he had
30:50
Speaker 1: to break that news. Or if they signed a player
30:52
Speaker 1: or if they're bringing a guy in for a trial.
30:55
Speaker 1: It was from his personal account. I don't mind the fact.
30:59
Speaker 2: That she's interested. I think she's also a fan.
31:03
Speaker 1: Because they're getting $ 500 million every August win or lose
31:08
Speaker 1: as an NFL owner. I mean, you can be successful
31:10
Speaker 1: and not have wins on the win-loss record as an
31:14
Speaker 1: NFL owner. You're going to be very successful. It's a
31:16
Speaker 1: very lucrative business. But she's taking the time to invest
31:21
Speaker 1: into what she owns as her business and I mean,
31:25
Speaker 1: I respect it. I also think like, man, it's a distraction.
31:29
Speaker 1: If you're willing to learn and assess what's going on,
31:33
Speaker 1: surely you would realize that you're one of one here.
31:38
Speaker 1: You're one of 32, but you're one of one. There's
31:39
Speaker 1: not another owner. Even Jerry Jones isn't coming down there
31:42
Speaker 1: with a headset on on the sidelines.
31:46
Speaker 2: And let's flip it and say, to a division rival
31:50
Speaker 2: in the Titans. The knock on the Titans is, well,
31:52
Speaker 2: the ownership and the front office only concerned about a
31:54
Speaker 2: new stadium, new uniforms, marketing, this and that. And they
31:57
Speaker 2: need to be serious about football. I will give her
32:00
Speaker 2: credit and that there is no denying her commitment to
32:03
Speaker 2: football and to understanding football as an owner. The optics
32:07
Speaker 2: of it are bad. It's annoying to the coaches. It's
32:09
Speaker 2: probably annoying to the players too. I don't like that
32:12
Speaker 2: part of it, but if you're a Colts fan, I mean,
32:14
Speaker 2: I think what you want to know, if you're a
32:16
Speaker 2: fan of any pro team, uh, Is that owner, are
32:20
Speaker 2: they committed to winning at the highest level? And are
32:23
Speaker 2: they utilizing their resources that they're given from whatever market
32:27
Speaker 2: they're in or whatever tax subsidies they're given or whatever's
32:30
Speaker 2: happening to the best of the ability that affects winning
32:33
Speaker 2: and or the experience of a fan? All those things
32:36
Speaker 2: are important. That's all I want to know about an owner.
32:38
Speaker 2: Are you committed to winning? Are you willing to spend?
32:41
Speaker 2: Do you care about the actual sport of it? There's
32:44
Speaker 2: no denying she cares about the actual sport of it.
32:47
Speaker 2: There's no denying that she's not fully invested in football
32:50
Speaker 2: and getting the football part of it right. I just
32:52
Speaker 2: think that the messaging could improve. The optics of it
32:56
Speaker 2: could improve with how you're going about it. Again, you're
33:00
Speaker 2: the owner, as you said, Hutton. You can do whatever
33:02
Speaker 2: the hell you want. Get your headset up in the
33:05
Speaker 2: owner's box. Go sit in the tunnel. Go sit in
33:07
Speaker 2: your own private suite, locker room, whatever you want, inside
33:11
Speaker 2: of the stadium. Watch everything going on and listen closely.
33:14
Speaker 2: The entire time. I can understand wanting to be a
33:17
Speaker 2: part of it and all of that, but it's just
33:20
Speaker 2: not the place for owners. It's just not. That's not
33:24
Speaker 2: your spot on game day of where you should be.
33:26
Speaker 2: But she's breaking the mold. She's one of one in
33:30
Speaker 2: how she's doing it. Yeah, yes.
33:32
Speaker 1: And I would say now it's just kind of what
33:35
Speaker 1: it is in Indy. To me, it would have been
33:38
Speaker 1: a very big distraction last year. And They started off
33:43
Speaker 1: playing very well. The injuries happened. They ended up not
33:47
Speaker 1: doing great at the end of the season. They were
33:50
Speaker 1: in the middle of the pack in the NFL. Now
33:54
Speaker 1: they're not starting well, but I don't think it's because
33:56
Speaker 1: she's on the sideline. Had they started slow last year,
33:58
Speaker 1: I think I would have leaned towards, like, the owner
34:01
Speaker 1: needs to get out of the way and let them
34:03
Speaker 1: do their thing. Right now, because there was no talk
34:06
Speaker 1: about her interfering with anything last year, I seriously doubt
34:10
Speaker 1: she's doing much more this year, more than clarifying things.
34:14
Speaker 2: On a sheet.
34:15
Speaker 1: Again, I don't know who that guy was, but if
34:17
Speaker 1: he's a coach, he's not very invested in his players
34:21
Speaker 1: in the game if he's standing on the sideline next
34:24
Speaker 1: to some security officer, the owner, without a headset. That's all.
34:29
Speaker 1: I don't know who he was. I don't know who
34:30
Speaker 1: that is, Chad.
34:32
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, he could have been the get-back coach,
34:34
Speaker 2: for all we know. Or a PR guy. I don't know.
34:37
Speaker 1: He had great hair.
34:38
Speaker 2: I know that. Did you see, speaking of the get-back coach,
34:42
Speaker 2: Luke Fickle's get-back coach when they were coming back to
34:44
Speaker 2: beat Penn State, and he was, like, tugging his cord
34:47
Speaker 2: from him on his coach's headset, and Fickle just snapped
34:51
Speaker 2: at him and said, I know, but he said it
34:54
Speaker 2: with a lot more cuss words than that when he
34:55
Speaker 2: kept trying to grab him to pull him back, and
34:57
Speaker 2: he swatted at him. as this guy was trying to
34:59
Speaker 2: pull him off the field, terrific.
35:01
Speaker 1: A bigger win for the coach, you believe it was Fickle,
35:06
Speaker 1: or do you think Lincoln Riley?
35:11
Speaker 2: Oh, I think Fickle, the way they've looked so far,
35:14
Speaker 2: which is competent, which is an improvement from what they've been,
35:17
Speaker 2: it's probably a bigger win for him. I mean, it
35:19
Speaker 2: was a good win, and they did it with defense,
35:21
Speaker 2: and the defense came up with a big play late,
35:23
Speaker 2: so that was a nice change for Lincoln Riley and USC.
35:28
Speaker 2: but I just don't, Washington's not been very good. I
35:30
Speaker 2: don't know how good of a win that Washington win
35:33
Speaker 2: is right now in the big 10. It's not some
35:36
Speaker 2: unexpected thing that they beat. It was a must win.
35:39
Speaker 2: It was, but they got it full, full credit. But
35:41
Speaker 2: I mean, it's not, it's not some great win for them.
35:45
Speaker 1: Uh, yeah, I w I was going to leave USC. I,
35:49
Speaker 1: I do think it's more about fickle now. I, I,
35:53
Speaker 1: we're talking about Lincoln Riley getting the.
35:55
Speaker 2: Bio if he wants it.
35:57
Speaker 1: Uh, I think last year there were so many jobs
36:00
Speaker 1: open that Fickle got to stay because they didn't want
36:03
Speaker 1: to jump in and get the 15th.
36:05
Speaker 2: Best coach to arrive at Wisconsin.
36:08
Speaker 1: They liked what they had based on who was going
36:11
Speaker 1: to be remaining after the SEC hired 10 or whatever
36:15
Speaker 1: it was. Yeah, so this year maybe not so much.
36:19
Speaker 1: Maybe he's helping himself some.
36:21
Speaker 2: This week, or sorry, they're off this week, and then
36:24
Speaker 2: it's a matchup of unbeatens in the Big Ten at UCLA.
36:27
Speaker 2: UCLA ranked 21st. Nebraska undefeated. UCLA undefeated. Wisconsin unbeaten in
36:32
Speaker 2: conference at 2-0 right now. So they get a week
36:35
Speaker 2: off to prepare for their West Coast trip. And it's
36:39
Speaker 2: not a brutal schedule for Wisconsin. They're at UCLA. They
36:43
Speaker 2: get USC at home. They're at Iowa, which is probably
36:45
Speaker 2: the toughest game they have left. Then Hutton, it's Rutgers, Maryland, Purdue,
36:49
Speaker 2: and Minnesota.
36:51
Speaker 1: At home at the end of the season. So they
36:53
Speaker 1: need to win those. But I think the USC game
36:56
Speaker 1: at Wisconsin, that's the game for him to just automatically
37:02
Speaker 1: keep the gig. I get the sense that they'd love
37:07
Speaker 1: to get rid of Lincoln Riley regardless at USC.
37:09
Speaker 2: This is the 20, you get so many teams in
37:13
Speaker 2: your conference, the definition of imbalanced scheduling from team to
37:17
Speaker 2: team in a conference. This is a joke.
37:20
Speaker 4: I know.
37:20
Speaker 2: Conference schedule. They won at Penn State to open. They're done.
37:26
Speaker 2: With that win, they got Michigan State, who's awful, and
37:29
Speaker 2: they blow them out. They got UCLA. We'll see how
37:31
Speaker 2: good they are. But, okay. You get USC at home
37:35
Speaker 2: at Iowa. Not easy, but doable. But you close out
37:39
Speaker 2: the month of November with... Here's the November. In conference.
37:43
Speaker 2: Big Ten. League of Champions. Conference of Champions. Whatever they
37:47
Speaker 2: want to call it. Rutgers... At Maryland, at Purdue, who
37:52
Speaker 2: just got their first Big Ten win in two and
37:54
Speaker 2: a half years, and Minnesota at home. Give me that schedule.
38:00
Speaker 2: Show me an SEC team that has that schedule. At
38:02
Speaker 2: any point in their conference schedule.
38:05
Speaker 1: I don't want that schedule because that means I'm not
38:07
Speaker 1: getting any media rights money. You're getting it, but you're
38:10
Speaker 1: about to be lapped with what we're seeing with the numbers, Chad.
38:14
Speaker 2: That's what I mean.
38:15
Speaker 1: We discussed that on Friday. Meanwhile, like Ohio State. Ohio
38:18
Speaker 1: State remaining. They've played Texas, but in conference they had Iowa.
38:26
Speaker 1: They have Maryland coming up this week, but they have Indiana.
38:30
Speaker 1: They have USC. They have Oregon. They have Northwestern. They
38:33
Speaker 1: have Nebraska. They have Michigan. There's your imbalance. That's why
38:37
Speaker 1: Ohio State's on Fox every week. Big new kickoff every week.
38:42
Speaker 1: Where are you going to go? Those are the big
38:43
Speaker 1: games of the conference.
38:45
Speaker 2: It's Ohio State. It's the Buckeyes. It's JT's team. how
38:49
Speaker 2: about Dave Portnoy no longer allowed on big noon kickoff?
38:54
Speaker 2: And they completely pulled Barstool Sports off of it. And
38:56
Speaker 2: he just took to social media and said, yeah, I'm
39:00
Speaker 2: going to tell you why it happened. It's because Ryan
39:03
Speaker 2: Day is a P word and said it over and
39:05
Speaker 2: over again. And he said to all the thousands of
39:08
Speaker 2: Ohio State fans that aren't that, I apologize to you,
39:11
Speaker 2: but your coach is a complete wuss. And he has
39:14
Speaker 2: been complaining to the league office about Portnoy being on
39:18
Speaker 2: And he said, I don't blame Fox for how much
39:21
Speaker 2: money is at stake for listening to Ohio State eventually
39:24
Speaker 2: and pulling us off.
39:25
Speaker 1: But that's the whole reason. But think about that. Therein
39:28
Speaker 1: lies the whole thing right there. You know, you, you,
39:31
Speaker 1: you have a conference where you, you've got a coach
39:36
Speaker 1: that doesn't want Portnoy on because he's a Michigan guy, right?
39:40
Speaker 1: And he's talking trash all the time. Meanwhile, you've got
39:42
Speaker 1: McAfee who knows how to have fun with it. You've
39:45
Speaker 1: got Saban who can go to all these different places
39:47
Speaker 1: and knows how to have fun with it. Um, There's
39:51
Speaker 1: a difference with game day and big noon just based
39:53
Speaker 1: on that alone. With how all that started and walking
39:57
Speaker 1: down the streets. Right after the whole Connor Stallions thing.
40:05
Speaker 2: It's the difference. Your whole business is based on inciting people.
40:09
Speaker 2: That's Dave Portnoy's whole thing. He's going to yell and
40:12
Speaker 2: scream and be angry. It's a total like Pat McAfee's
40:15
Speaker 2: more joy. You know, he does get angry at times,
40:17
Speaker 2: but it's more about the joy of doing what he
40:19
Speaker 2: does and the joy of college football and hyping teams up.
40:22
Speaker 2: He's a WWE heroic hype man. Right. Portnoy's just on.
40:27
Speaker 2: It just doesn't work on network television. I mean, that's
40:30
Speaker 2: always been my take with him. It's a misplaced thing.
40:33
Speaker 2: It works with what he does. With Barstool, absolutely works.
40:37
Speaker 2: But when you put him on a network show, it
40:39
Speaker 2: just is never going to work. Well, it works in bits,
40:44
Speaker 2: in small doses, not every single week. Like when he
40:47
Speaker 2: first debuted, the numbers were very respectable. We touched on that, right?
40:52
Speaker 2: But it gets old. Like it's the same thing every week.
40:56
Speaker 2: So at least with game day, you've got something that
41:01
Speaker 2: changes up at least every week or so. Uh, Caitlin Clark,
41:05
Speaker 2: I thought did a pretty good job on air this week. Chad,
41:07
Speaker 2: you probably missed that. She did. I actually went back
41:10
Speaker 2: and watched and thought she did a good job. It
41:12
Speaker 2: was cool. She was up in the children's hospital too.
41:14
Speaker 2: And they did the wave. Oh, that was cool. The
41:15
Speaker 2: whole feature on the children's hospital was neat, but she
41:18
Speaker 2: came ready. She was ready to go back and forth
41:20
Speaker 2: with McAfee. I think they're buds there in Indianapolis. Uh,
41:23
Speaker 2: So they had a nice rapport going into it. And, yeah,
41:25
Speaker 2: I thought you did a good job.
41:27
Speaker 1: I thought about you whenever they picked the UMass game.
41:29
Speaker 2: UMass. UMass. UMass got their ass kicked. Did they? I
41:34
Speaker 2: didn't see the final. Oh, yeah. Eastern Michigan whipped them.
41:37
Speaker 2: Because I went to watch because everybody picked UMass. Except
41:41
Speaker 2: for Stanford Steve.
41:42
Speaker 3: UMass.
41:43
Speaker 2: Yeah, everybody picked UMass. Eastern Michigan. It was like 38-17
41:47
Speaker 2: or something like that. The UMass story. Not quite as
41:51
Speaker 2: good today as it was last week.
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43:30
Speaker 1: Here's what we want. Let's take a look here with
43:32
Speaker 1: our locks.
43:34
Speaker 2: I went with the.
43:36
Speaker 1: My lock of the week was Tennessee and Auburn under 55.5. Chad,
43:41
Speaker 1: you hit on the Northwestern money line, called that from
43:44
Speaker 1: the jump.
43:45
Speaker 2: Well done.
43:47
Speaker 1: We did well this past week going out and saying, hey,
43:51
Speaker 1: this is where we're confident, and we backed it up.
43:54
Speaker 2: I've got to do a better job of organizing my
43:57
Speaker 2: level of confidence on each one because I tend to
44:00
Speaker 2: just go with my first one first. And I need
44:03
Speaker 2: to go with the Thursday lock. We have the lock
44:06
Speaker 2: segment on Thursday. I'm not making excuses here. John Sumrall's
44:09
Speaker 2: not going to be mad at me. I'm going to
44:10
Speaker 2: be accountable for it. My lock did not hit. I
44:13
Speaker 2: lost my first lock of the year. The first one
44:15
Speaker 2: of the year, though. I mean, you're plus money. Yeah,
44:19
Speaker 2: Louisville was we asked this weekend at NC State. NC
44:23
Speaker 2: State's not a good football team. And now I'm convinced
44:25
Speaker 2: that Louisville's also not a good football team. So that
44:28
Speaker 2: one really crept up and killed me. But I would
44:31
Speaker 2: have gone– Northwestern was my highest confidence on the money
44:34
Speaker 2: lot last week. I should have made that my lock,
44:37
Speaker 2: but instead, because we parlay on Wednesday first, I went
44:40
Speaker 2: with my first thought, put that on our three-leg parlay,
44:44
Speaker 2: got that one, and I would have been undefeated still
44:47
Speaker 2: in my locks had I just gone with my brain
44:50
Speaker 2: and my gut. Northwestern was not going to lose opening
44:53
Speaker 2: that new stadium. That new stadium looked fantastic.
44:56
Speaker 3: No.
44:57
Speaker 2: Looks futuristic. Looked awesome. They had RG3 there eating hot
45:01
Speaker 2: dogs and popcorn and showing the new concessions at one point. Also,
45:05
Speaker 2: it was like half full. There was hardly anybody there.
45:08
Speaker 2: And I got home after our high school football game.
45:11
Speaker 2: We went to DCA Friendship and had that call. And
45:13
Speaker 2: I'm watching the end of that game, Hunt, and it's like,
45:15
Speaker 2: I mean, it was like 60% full. There were tons
45:18
Speaker 2: of empty seats in the stadium. Was there terrible weather? Like, what? No,
45:23
Speaker 2: not to my knowledge. And maybe everyone left. Because it
45:26
Speaker 2: was a blowout. Because I'm watching in the start of
45:29
Speaker 2: the fourth quarter, and maybe a lot of people left.
45:31
Speaker 2: The first game. Northwestern's not the biggest fan base going
45:35
Speaker 2: to the Big Ten. I understand that. But I figured
45:37
Speaker 2: for game number one, they would ensure they had a sellout,
45:41
Speaker 2: even if they had to give tickets away for people
45:43
Speaker 2: to go to the game.
45:44
Speaker 1: Not the biggest fan base, but they had the donations
45:47
Speaker 1: and stuff that made this happen. Man, that's crazy to me.
45:51
Speaker 2: Well, they have the city of Chicago, too. I mean,
45:53
Speaker 2: you would think you would get that area of Chicago
45:55
Speaker 2: that would come out and support. So I was surprised
45:59
Speaker 2: to see the crowd, but not surprised to see my
46:03
Speaker 2: Northwestern Wildcats take it to Penn State. Penn State is
46:07
Speaker 2: very mid to below this year. You know what's not mid?
46:10
Speaker 2: Chip Kelly's offense. Holy cow. I mean, he is running
46:14
Speaker 2: like a shotgun version of a Navy or Army offense
46:18
Speaker 2: mixed with big shots down the field. And I think
46:21
Speaker 2: in terms of creativity– In the run game, Chip Kelly
46:24
Speaker 2: and Buster Faulkner at Florida are doing things that not
46:28
Speaker 2: many other teams are doing with how they get creative
46:30
Speaker 2: with how they run it. Kudos to Chip Kelly. He's
46:33
Speaker 2: getting a coach ball now. That's what he's always wanted
46:35
Speaker 2: to do. And he's just the offensive coordinator at Northwestern.
46:38
Speaker 2: But that offense looked really good on Friday night.
46:41
Speaker 1: I will say, though, Chip Kelly, wherever he leaves, the
46:47
Speaker 1: team ends up being at least a little bit better overall, oftenly.
46:53
Speaker 1: It looks like it's worked out okay for both. Now,
46:55
Speaker 1: there is a coach in between that. But, you know,
46:59
Speaker 1: things are looking up and up at UCLA, okay.
47:03
Speaker 2: Hutton, we got to go home team tonight, right? Saints, Falcons.
47:06
Speaker 1: I'll be honest with you. I don't trust the Saints defense.
47:11
Speaker 1: They've given up their average, I think, 27 points per game.
47:15
Speaker 1: I'm leading Atlanta. We can split it. You go with
47:17
Speaker 1: your gut. I'll go with mine. But I'm going to
47:20
Speaker 1: take Atlanta Moneyline here. They've got the starting quarterback now
47:24
Speaker 1: in Pennix Jr. They have the talent on offense to score.
47:28
Speaker 1: They've got a running back who just went off last week.
47:31
Speaker 1: They're coming off a 10-day rest with the Green Bay
47:33
Speaker 1: Thursday night football game. They got their first win of
47:37
Speaker 1: the season. I think they ride that momentum. I think
47:38
Speaker 1: they're feeling pretty good. I think Atlanta's defense is better
47:41
Speaker 1: than New Orleans' defense. That's my gut.
47:47
Speaker 2: How can you convince me? I can be easily influenced,
47:49
Speaker 2: and that was a great sales pitch. We are going
47:51
Speaker 2: Atlanta Falcons money line.
47:55
Speaker 1: Let me also say, this was around three or two
47:59
Speaker 1: and a half yesterday.
48:01
Speaker 2: It's one and a half right now.
48:02
Speaker 1: Yeah, we're seeing it at one and a half now.
48:04
Speaker 1: Over under 47 and a half. You could also take
48:07
Speaker 1: the over here, because I think both offenses will put
48:10
Speaker 1: up some points. The Saints are known for getting down early.
48:13
Speaker 1: they'll do what Kentucky just did to South Carolina. They
48:15
Speaker 1: get down early, double digits, they come back and they
48:18
Speaker 1: make that a game, you know? So, uh, I think
48:21
Speaker 1: it'll be a very good game. I just, I leaned
48:24
Speaker 1: Atlanta on the road simply because you've got the dome,
48:27
Speaker 1: weather's not a factor and better playmakers on Atlanta's offense.
48:31
Speaker 2: Now I'm going, I'm playing it right now. I'm going
48:34
Speaker 2: Falcons money line. You've sold me. You convinced me on that.
48:37
Speaker 1: I'm sure there's going to be a, a bonus bet
48:39
Speaker 1: or something where, uh, for in-game play only, where maybe
48:45
Speaker 1: you can hedge this if we get out to a
48:47
Speaker 1: slow start this evening.
48:49
Speaker 2: Hey, how about your Bravos?
48:51
Speaker 1: How should I play this moving forward?
48:56
Speaker 2: Dodgers? You plan Dodgers to win it? I mean, look,
49:00
Speaker 2: they still, the Braves are going to have to face
49:04
Speaker 2: three great starting pitchers. Because of the depth, right? They've
49:08
Speaker 2: got Yamamoto, Glasnow, and then Scooble will be the Game
49:13
Speaker 2: 5 starter if it gets to that. The Braves have
49:15
Speaker 2: Chris Sale left. Now, the Braves, somehow, in a bullpen game...
49:20
Speaker 2: it looked like they were just saying, all right, we're
49:21
Speaker 2: going to go down 0-2, and then we're going to
49:22
Speaker 2: have Chris Sale bail us out in Game 3 and
49:25
Speaker 2: at least force it to a Game 4. But getting
49:28
Speaker 2: that win last night with Ray Kerr starting again the
49:30
Speaker 2: way they did in the decisive game against the Phillies,
49:33
Speaker 2: and it was the same formula. It went from him
49:35
Speaker 2: to Grant Holmes with the beautiful curly locks Then it
49:39
Speaker 2: goes to Didier Fuentes, 20-year-old phenom out of the bullpen.
49:44
Speaker 2: Braves getting that win was huge because now they get
49:46
Speaker 2: Chris Sale tomorrow. That's what I'm saying, yeah. Great chance
49:49
Speaker 2: to push this thing to a five-game series if Chris
49:52
Speaker 2: Sale can get the win. But, I mean, it comes
49:54
Speaker 2: at you in waves with not just the Dodgers lineup
49:57
Speaker 2: but the pitchers they can throw in every single game.
50:00
Speaker 2: So I would still– that's a big win for the Braves,
50:03
Speaker 2: and they did turn the series. With that, I would
50:05
Speaker 2: still probably pick the Dodgers to advance. Yeah.
50:08
Speaker 1: But great, great win for the Braves. They surprised me
50:11
Speaker 1: with that one. So, right, it's like it always is.
50:14
Speaker 1: It's a run and a half on the spread. Over, under,
50:17
Speaker 1: it's six and a half total runs for game three. And, again,
50:22
Speaker 1: it's just minus 110.
50:23
Speaker 2: Straight money line.
50:24
Speaker 1: I mean, you mentioned the pitching coming up. You've got
50:31
Speaker 1: sale now. I might roll with Atlanta in game three, Chad.
50:37
Speaker 2: Yeah, again, I think Chris Sale... I know you're talking
50:39
Speaker 2: about the gauntlet, but... Yeah, and then they got Chris
50:42
Speaker 2: Sale versus Yamamoto in this one, which the Braves have
50:45
Speaker 2: had a hard time with them. And then Tyler Glass now,
50:48
Speaker 2: and then Scooble again, who just beat the Braves in
50:52
Speaker 2: Game 1. So I'm not picking the Braves to win
50:53
Speaker 2: the series. Will they win with Chris Sale? Yeah, I'd
50:57
Speaker 2: pick that. I think the Braves could go up 2-1
50:59
Speaker 2: and then lose the next two games to lose the series,
51:02
Speaker 2: but I do think they got a great shot in
51:03
Speaker 2: Game 3 back in Atlanta. But kudos to Walt Weiss.
51:07
Speaker 2: who makes some unorthodox decisions that tends to pay off.
51:11
Speaker 2: Terrific first year for him as manager of the Braves
51:14
Speaker 2: and what he's accomplished. And it's clear those guys love
51:17
Speaker 2: playing for him. I'm all in. Here's my one caveat
51:22
Speaker 2: to all of this. I didn't watch a second of
51:24
Speaker 2: the game on Saturday during college football. And I love
51:28
Speaker 2: the Braves. But if you're going to contend with a
51:31
Speaker 2: Tennessee football game and all of college football at the
51:34
Speaker 2: same time, I am watching the score and seeing what's
51:37
Speaker 2: happening and seeing the score. It is tough, tough, tough
51:40
Speaker 2: in America. And I know it's America's pastime. But to
51:44
Speaker 2: get people to turn away from football Saturday or Sunday
51:47
Speaker 2: to watch Major League Baseball playoff games. I know they
51:50
Speaker 2: don't want to go into November. I know all these things.
51:53
Speaker 2: But man, oh man, do I get a lot more
51:55
Speaker 2: interested in a Yankees game on a Monday night or
51:57
Speaker 2: a Tuesday or a Wednesday or a Thursday. or even
52:00
Speaker 2: a Friday, or a Braves game on one of those
52:02
Speaker 2: nights than I will on Saturday or Sunday. Even last
52:05
Speaker 2: night with one game as competition, I'm watching Braves-Dodgers versus Panthers-Lions, right?
52:10
Speaker 2: As a baseball fan, as a Braves fan, it's just
52:13
Speaker 2: hard to go head-to-head with football in anything.
52:17
Speaker 1: And I'll say this too, and I agree. Somehow the
52:20
Speaker 1: NBA and the NHL don't overlap all that much whenever
52:24
Speaker 1: they're in the same playoff months. You try to avoid
52:29
Speaker 1: certain things. Now, the NHL is getting– at one point
52:33
Speaker 1: they were trying to get close to the NBA, the
52:36
Speaker 1: all-star game and all that stuff. But the Stanley Cup
52:38
Speaker 1: final isn't anywhere close to what we're talking about this month.
52:41
Speaker 1: But the NBA will spread things out so far where
52:46
Speaker 1: you can play a game at home and not play
52:48
Speaker 1: again at home the very next game of the series
52:50
Speaker 1: for like two nights just to get the optimal time.
52:54
Speaker 1: whether that's a Sunday night game or a Saturday night,
52:56
Speaker 1: they want and they will guarantee they're going to be
52:59
Speaker 1: in the best spot for them that time of year
53:03
Speaker 1: on that network. And that's what Major League Baseball should do.
53:06
Speaker 1: It only helps you grow the game. And so what
53:11
Speaker 1: if you go into November?
53:12
Speaker 2: How about this?
53:13
Speaker 1: Just ease things up a bit in the season. Start
53:18
Speaker 1: a little bit earlier. You don't have to start earlier.
53:20
Speaker 1: Just reduce some of the games in these series. You
53:24
Speaker 1: don't have to have a five game series or a
53:25
Speaker 1: four game series during the season all the time, reduce
53:28
Speaker 1: some games and, you know, play a three game series.
53:30
Speaker 2: Instead of a four. Well, and also, you know, I'm
53:33
Speaker 2: a huge Braves fan and I follow them all year.
53:35
Speaker 2: But again, when I wake up on a Saturday morning
53:38
Speaker 2: in October, I'm thinking about it and there's overcast skies
53:42
Speaker 2: and it's a perfect day for football. I'm the last
53:44
Speaker 2: thing I'm thinking about is a 3 p.m. First pitch
53:47
Speaker 2: between the Braves and the Dodgers to start their series
53:49
Speaker 2: out on the West coast. I just, And I'm a
53:51
Speaker 2: huge Braves fan. And I'm saying this. So if it's
53:54
Speaker 2: hard to pull me in when you have football as competition,
53:58
Speaker 2: it's hard to pull anyone into those games. And again,
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Speaker 2: when it's one game, I'm fine with it. It's competition.
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Speaker 2: I watched last night. But now we're getting into the week.
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Speaker 2: So we'll watch the Major League Baseball postseason and get
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Speaker 2: ready for another football weekend.
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