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Backyard Grave, Mystery Blood, Sex Dungeon Reveal: More Victims? · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
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Speaker 2: Breaking use tonight bombshell DNA breakthrough in the case of
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Speaker 2: teen girl Shade Robinson.
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Speaker 1: Blood found in suspect Maxwell Anderson home.
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Speaker 2: Does not belong to shaw Day, the mystery blood, a
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Speaker 2: backyard grave already dug, and the discovery of a basement
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Speaker 2: sex dungeon? Are there more victims? Good evening, I'm Nancy Grace.
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Speaker 2: This is Crime Stories. I want to thank you for
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Speaker 2: being with us.
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Speaker 3: As volunteer searchers try to locate all of teen girl
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Speaker 3: Shade Robinson's remains. A fourth set of body parts, this
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Speaker 3: time at a remote tree line stretch of beach along
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Speaker 3: South Michigan. Just after seven am, someone walking along a
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Speaker 3: South Milwaukee waterline discovered an arm and torso. The remains
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Speaker 3: washed ashore about a quarter of a mile from a
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Speaker 3: nearby apartment complex. Residents watched as officers carried a body
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Speaker 3: bag down the cliff to recover the body parts. Police
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Speaker 3: have continued their search, using a sonar detection book to
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Speaker 3: scour the lake.
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Speaker 2: What hell, I mean, pure hell? Are Shade's parents going through?
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Speaker 1: This? Young girl in college now appearing.
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Speaker 2: This is the fourth set of remains, this time a
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Speaker 2: torso what else is missing? And how can they hope
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Speaker 2: to ever bury their girl when they don't have her
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Speaker 2: entire body? A first date turns to murder a torso
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Speaker 2: just being discovered. We are convinced it belongs to teen girls.
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Speaker 2: Shaw Day, how did the whole thing start? Listen?
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Speaker 4: Shade Robinson, nineteen, is excited for her first date with
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Speaker 4: Maxwell Anderson, a local bartender. The pair decide on seafood,
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Speaker 4: and Max will take Robinson to the Twisted Fisherman, a
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Speaker 4: place he used to work. After dinner, the date continues
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Speaker 4: at Dukes On Water, and Anderson invites Robinson back to
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Speaker 4: his home. Around twelve thirty four am. Robinson's car leaves
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Speaker 4: Anderson's home and makes several stops around Milwaukee, spending nearly
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Speaker 4: two hours at a pumphouse in Warnermont Park. The next day,
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Speaker 4: Robinson doesn't show up for work, and a concerned coworker
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Speaker 4: reports her missing. Hours later, a severed human leg is
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Speaker 4: found on the shore of Lake Michigan, down a bluff
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Speaker 4: from Warnermont Park.
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Speaker 1: Listen to the Milwaukee County Sheriff.
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Speaker 5: Subsequently, a Milwaukee police officer who was aware of our
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Speaker 5: investigation raised the possibility that the leg may be related
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Speaker 5: to a missing person investigation that they were conducting, and
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Speaker 5: that missing person was Sadan Robinson. The severed leg has
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Speaker 5: been preliminarily identified as belonging to miss Robinson.
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Speaker 1: Joining me in All Star panel.
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Speaker 2: But first for the very latest out to Aaron Maybin,
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Speaker 2: investigative reporter and anchor for Fox six in Milwaukee.
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Speaker 1: Aerin, thank you for being with us.
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Speaker 2: There's so much happening and so quickly in the Shade
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Speaker 2: Robinson case. But first I want to go to the torso.
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Speaker 2: We have a torso, a female torso, that has washed up,
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Speaker 2: so to speak. We have unidentified blood, Aaron Maybin, and
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Speaker 2: not just blood.
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Speaker 1: Aaron.
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Speaker 2: For instance, if I go to your home and I
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Speaker 2: see a few spots of blood around your bathroom.
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Speaker 1: Sink, I think, oh, hey, gout his face shaving.
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Speaker 2: This is blood on betting going up the wall from
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Speaker 2: the basement.
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Speaker 1: And we know that the basement now on.
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Speaker 2: Covered was a sex dungeon, and blood elsewhere in the
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Speaker 2: whole blood where it shouldn't be in the normal course
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Speaker 2: of one's routine.
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Speaker 1: So with all of this happening, I can't help but
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Speaker 1: wonder are there more victims?
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Speaker 2: Since that blood does not match sha Day, and we
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Speaker 2: have reason to believe it doesn't match the defendant, the suspect.
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Speaker 1: But back to the Torso, tell me everything.
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Speaker 6: Well, you know this all began with a severed leg
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Speaker 6: at a parking cut, Hay, and it just sparked so
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Speaker 6: much mystery. And that's what this case has been, Nancy,
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Speaker 6: a ton of mystery. Where are these body parts? First
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Speaker 6: off coming from? And then we later learned that it
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Speaker 6: is Shade Robinson who's been a missing girl. And then
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Speaker 6: just the series of events continued to pile up. The
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Speaker 6: latest was that arm in Torso that washed up on shore.
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Speaker 6: Someone was walking along the beach, Nancy, and they found
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Speaker 6: this arm and torso. Now let's go back that severed leg,
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Speaker 6: because these places where they were found really not close
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Speaker 6: to each other. They're a few miles away, about a
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Speaker 6: ten minute drive from each other, and police were quickly
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Speaker 6: able to identify that this arm and torso were that
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Speaker 6: of Shade Robinson's.
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Speaker 2: Guys, you're hearing Aaron Maybon from Fox six speaking, so
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Speaker 2: a ten minute drive between Now we've got four different
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Speaker 2: series of body parts, so you're saying, a ten minute
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Speaker 2: drive from what to what?
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Speaker 6: From where that first severed leg was found on April second.
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Speaker 6: This is a north side of Milwaukee, and then a
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Speaker 6: few days later is when that arm and torso were found.
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Speaker 6: This is a very wooded area, a beachy area with
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Speaker 6: tons of gravel, and people walk along the shore. It's
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Speaker 6: super pretty, so people definitely were not expecting to find
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Speaker 6: body parts there.
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Speaker 1: Trying to figure something out.
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Speaker 2: When you say rocky, do you mean as in Pacific
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Speaker 2: Coast rocky or do you mean cliff You look down
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Speaker 2: on rocks rocky.
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Speaker 6: More gravel instead of sand instead of sand, and beach
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Speaker 6: in that area, think of walking on rocks, not necessarily
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Speaker 6: a cliff. That's going to be more of that cut
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Speaker 6: a hay area that Warnamut Park area where the severed
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Speaker 6: leg was found, that was more cliff like. This is
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Speaker 6: less less cliff like.
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Speaker 2: So question does it appear, Aaron Maybon Fox six, Milwaukee,
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Speaker 2: that her remains washed ashore or they were discarded there.
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Speaker 6: Well, we know that people found it as they were
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Speaker 6: walking along the beach and it was washed ashore. Milwaukee
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Speaker 6: Police in the Sheriff's office have not really released those
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Speaker 6: details on where they were discarded, how they got there.
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Speaker 6: But the current with Lake Michigan is so fascinating. You
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Speaker 6: can drop something somewhere and then it can end up
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Speaker 6: miles away to just by the way that the water
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Speaker 6: moves there.
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Speaker 2: In addition to Fox six is Aaron Maybin joining me
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Speaker 2: is an expert in exactly that. Keith cormickin underwater search
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Speaker 2: and recovery expert, director of Bruce's Legacy, searching for shah
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Speaker 2: Day in Bodies of Water. Keith, thank you for taking
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Speaker 2: time out to be with us tonight. Keith, explain your
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Speaker 2: understanding the discovery of shah Day, this last discovery. It's
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Speaker 2: very hard for me to look at her and her
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Speaker 2: photos in life now that I feel like I've gotten
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Speaker 2: to know her. A girl making all a's in college,
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Speaker 2: a girl holding down multiple jobs, paying for her own car,
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Speaker 2: her own apartment, really had a plan for her life.
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Speaker 1: Just this joyful person.
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Speaker 2: And now I'm talking about the fourth set of body
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Speaker 2: parts discovered. But Keith cormickin underwater search recovery expert, this
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Speaker 2: part of her body, the torso, is found along a
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Speaker 2: rocky beach area, and I'm trying to determine do you
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Speaker 2: think it's like Lacey and Connor Peterson after the husband
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Speaker 2: Scott Peterson murdered Lacey. After a period of time, her
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Speaker 2: remains washed up on San Francisco Bay or was she
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Speaker 2: domp with shade dumped in this location.
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Speaker 7: Nancy, I honestly don't think that she was dumped in
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Speaker 7: this location. Based on the information that I have, I
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Speaker 7: think the probability is that that torsoa was probably dumped
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Speaker 7: in the area where the leg was by that Warnermont Park.
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Speaker 7: Because of torso is the part of our body that
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Speaker 7: will tend to build gas and rise to the surface,
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Speaker 7: and then once it rises to the surface, then it's
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Speaker 7: all dependent on wind and waves where it's going to go.
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Speaker 8: And it's.
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Speaker 7: Located about four miles south of the park of where
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Speaker 7: the leg was known to be, and that's not out
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Speaker 7: of the question to have that part go in that
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Speaker 7: direction the way the winds have been lately. So it's
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Speaker 7: my personal belief that I think it's most likely that
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Speaker 7: that was put in in the area of that one
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Speaker 7: of our park and it came up during that time.
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Speaker 2: Wait, that is very vague, Keith Kormickin, you're an expert
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Speaker 2: at underwater search and recovery, but let me work on
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Speaker 2: your phraseology just one moment. I'm trying to determine, like
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Speaker 2: the other three sets of body parts, was this torso
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Speaker 2: placed on earth at that beach or was.
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Speaker 1: That torso thrown into water?
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Speaker 2: And I have a very specific reason for asking water
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Speaker 2: earth which one?
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Speaker 1: From what I.
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Speaker 7: Understand, it was looked like it washed up on the beach.
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Speaker 1: Okay solinated to hear washed up? That means water. And
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Speaker 1: I'm sorry to rush you.
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Speaker 2: I have one hour to get through the developments Shawde's case.
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Speaker 1: Why am I in a rush?
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Speaker 2: Because there's a very strong possibility that there are other victims.
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Speaker 1: And you know where I'm going with this.
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Speaker 2: Aaron Maybin, If you don't know a horse, look at
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Speaker 2: his track record? Has he put other victims? Specifically? Who
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Speaker 2: was that grave Doug for in his backyard? Whose blood
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Speaker 2: is that on his wall?
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Speaker 1: Who else had been in that sex torture chamber that
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Speaker 1: he had in his basement?
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Speaker 2: So if he put part of shaw Day in the water,
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Speaker 2: ergo has he put other victims in the water?
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Speaker 1: See where I'm going with this?
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Speaker 6: I want to go back to what police are sharing
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Speaker 6: because I wanted to stick to what we know, and
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Speaker 6: there's so much that we are still working to get.
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Speaker 6: But we know that right now police are just searching
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Speaker 6: for shaw Dee Robinson in connection to Maxwell Anderson. But
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Speaker 6: we did learn in a preliminary hearing just a few
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Speaker 6: days ago that the blood that was found inside Maxwell
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Speaker 6: Anderson's home a swabbed bedding. They swabbed a wall in
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Speaker 6: the basement. We know that that blood was not shah
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Speaker 6: De Robinson's DNA. I don't want to go too far
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Speaker 6: talking about you know what else it could be, but
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Speaker 6: we do know that it's not shad Robinson's blood and
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Speaker 6: that was a development that came in that preliminary hearing too.
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Speaker 6: But police are only telling us right now, Nancy, that
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Speaker 6: they are looking at Maxwell Anderson and shah De Robinson together.
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Speaker 6: They're not putting any other speculation out there, any other
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Speaker 6: rumors out there either.
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Speaker 2: Can I just do a lightning round with you, Aaron,
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Speaker 2: just a quickie, let's do it. Isn't it true that
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Speaker 2: civilians are the ones that find the body parts?
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Speaker 1: Yes?
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Speaker 6: No, sure in this case.
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Speaker 2: And isn't it also true that a civilian found the blanket,
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Speaker 2: the Pit Tribute blanket that was Shade's near Shade some
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Speaker 2: of her remains civilians?
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Speaker 1: Yes? No, yes, okay?
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Speaker 2: And isn't it also true, Aaron Maybon, that civilians are
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Speaker 2: the ones that are out searching for shah.
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Speaker 1: Day and any of her remaining body parts. Isn't that true?
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Speaker 6: That's right?
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Speaker 1: Okay.
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Speaker 2: My point is police are saying right now, we're only
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Speaker 2: looking at shah Day as a victim.
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Speaker 1: Really, okay, let's move forward with what we know.
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Speaker 2: We know that the police have the suspects of blood,
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Speaker 2: they've got his DNA. Obviously, we know that they have
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Speaker 2: shah Day's DNA.
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Speaker 1: So hence I.
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Speaker 2: Would argue that the blood found in the home, since
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Speaker 2: they're not saying it's the defendants and they're saying it's
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Speaker 2: not shaw.
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Speaker 1: Days, it's somebody else's. Is that logical to you? Aaron Maybon?
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Speaker 2: Sure, yeah, Nancy, Okay, going forward from there, Doctor Eric
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Speaker 2: Eston joining me Board Certified Forensic Pathologists consultant on Facebook,
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Speaker 2: Eric August Easton, Doctor Easton, thank you for being with
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Speaker 2: us just in a nutshell, and I'll delve back into
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Speaker 2: it before Aaron maybe gets called off to a scene.
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Speaker 2: Doctor Aesen, isn't it relatively easy for a medical examiner
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Speaker 2: like yourself, who has performed literally thousands of autopsies to
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Speaker 2: determine whether or not a torso has been submerged in
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Speaker 2: water going to.
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Speaker 9: Be bloated for sure, because being under the warn of
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Speaker 9: the bacteria are going to multiply and release the gas.
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Speaker 9: And that's when we actually bring the torso up to
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Speaker 9: the surface, it's going to look different than if the
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Speaker 9: torso is placed simply on the land. You're going to
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Speaker 9: get some decomposition that's going to occur, but you're not
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Speaker 9: going to have some of the bloating that we were
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Speaker 9: talking about in.
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Speaker 1: The last hours.
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Speaker 2: Multiple updates in the murder case of Teen Girls shaw
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Speaker 2: D Robinson, the first date murderer. She thinks she's got
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Speaker 2: a wonderful guy for a date. He's a son of
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Speaker 2: a Milwaukee million air in his thirties, in and out
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Speaker 2: of a job as a bartender. First date, she's never
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Speaker 2: seen alive again with me an all star panel including
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Speaker 2: Aaron Maybin, Fox six out of Milwaukee. But back to you,
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Speaker 2: doctor Eric Esen, Isn't it true, I'm just talking off
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Speaker 2: the top of my head here that if a body
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Speaker 2: had been underwater, we would have at least vascular marbling,
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Speaker 2: We would have dark discoloration of the skin and the
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Speaker 2: soft tissues. After about a week or so, you would
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Speaker 2: have bloating of the body. Even if it is just
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Speaker 2: a torso, it would be bloated. And what you have
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Speaker 2: the beginnings of putrification. Isn't that true?
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Speaker 6: Yes, it is definitely true.
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Speaker 9: Also good a factor in temperature too, though, I mean,
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Speaker 9: I think it's still pretty cold up in Milwaukee right now,
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Speaker 9: so that may slow down some of the decomposition process.
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Speaker 9: But the bloating is definitely probably going to occur with
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Speaker 9: the body that's under the water.
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Speaker 8: Correct.
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Speaker 2: We are also discovering aerin may been that the torso
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Speaker 2: that was found the legs were cut off below the hip.
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Speaker 1: Is that correct?
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Speaker 6: Yeah, that first severed torso right below the hip is
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Speaker 6: where that that cutting happened?
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Speaker 2: You know, I find that unusual, Aaron, And I'll tell
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Speaker 2: you why when you when I've seen other dismemberments, the
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Speaker 2: dismemberment occurs at the joint. And I'm wondering exactly how
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Speaker 2: this was done. Why because it's easier. I don't know
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Speaker 2: if you've ever cooked a chicken before, or cut up
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Speaker 2: a chicken to cook a chicken, maybe you've seen.
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Speaker 1: Your mom do it.
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Speaker 2: It's not to compare chickens with people, but that is
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Speaker 2: how a dismemberment is more easily done, and that's a
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Speaker 2: typical method of dismemberment. What more do you know about
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Speaker 2: this torso being dismembered just below the hip?
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Speaker 6: Yeah, so that's where it all began. We just know
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Speaker 6: that prosecutors. Prosecutors are saying it it actually is kind
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Speaker 6: of close to that that joint where that first severed
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Speaker 6: leg was discovered. So think, I think you're not too
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Speaker 6: far off with where that cutting happened according to prosecutors too. Unfortunately,
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Speaker 6: we didn't get other details, wouldn't the torso and the
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Speaker 6: arm we're found. We don't know exactly according to the
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Speaker 6: sheriff's office, where that cutting happened, Nancy, So still some
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Speaker 6: kind of gray areas there, but where that first severed
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Speaker 6: leg was found, according to the prosecutors in this case,
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Speaker 6: it is close to that joint. Unfortunately.
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Speaker 2: So when you said we don't know where the cutting happened,
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Speaker 2: you mean the dismemberment of the body, not the location
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Speaker 2: where the body was dismembered.
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Speaker 1: Is that right, correct?
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Speaker 2: Yeah, which leads me to a whole another line of
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Speaker 2: questioning Aaron Maybon, and that is if she was dismembered
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Speaker 2: and the blood found in his home isn't his because
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Speaker 2: they've got access to his DNA.
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Speaker 1: They would tell us if it was his DNA and it's.
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Speaker 2: Not hers, the dismemberment didn't happen there, then where did
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Speaker 2: it happen? Speaking of searching the home, listen to this.
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Speaker 10: Maxwell Anderson had a sex dungeon in the basement of
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Speaker 10: his West Milwaukee home. According to a law enforcement source,
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Speaker 10: cops found a sex sling restraints in handcuffs. A close
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Speaker 10: friend of Anderson said that on a visit to Anderson's
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Speaker 10: home last year, he noticed a large hole in the
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Speaker 10: ground that was about five feet long bay six foot deep.
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Speaker 10: Anderson said he was working on an underground basement, despite
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Speaker 10: having a large basement in the home already. Neighbors say
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Speaker 10: the basement in the home had small windows that were
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Speaker 10: always covered so you could not see inside.
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Speaker 2: Joining me is high profile lawyer Eric Fattus, trial lawyer,
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Speaker 2: TV analyst founding partner Varner Fattus, elite legal and to
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Speaker 2: my purpose as a former felony prosecutor, you can't be
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Speaker 2: a felony prosecutor for very long without catching a couple
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Speaker 2: of homicide cases.
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Speaker 1: Eric Fattus, thank you for being with us.
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Speaker 2: It just keeps coming, doesn't it, More and more evidence
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Speaker 2: for the prosecution in this case. And I don't care
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Speaker 2: what anybody's saying when there is a significant amount of
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Speaker 2: blood in the locations in which it was found, and
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Speaker 2: I'm going to circle back to Aaron Maybman in just
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Speaker 2: one moment to get those locations. It's not the defendants,
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Speaker 2: it's not the victim, Shahdai. I mean a sex dungeon,
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Speaker 2: a backyard grave already, dug.
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Speaker 1: Eric Fattis. There's got to be more victims.
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Speaker 2: And the fact that we now know he disposed of
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Speaker 2: portions of Shadai's body in the water, there is.
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Speaker 1: No telling what else what other crimes he may have committed.
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Speaker 11: Yeah, Nancy Asty said, you know, with each week it
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Speaker 11: seems like there is a new horrifying revelation in this case.
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Speaker 11: And so now we're hearing about the blood that does
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Speaker 11: not belong to Shaddy Robinson. Whose blood is that If
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Speaker 11: it's not Maxwell Anderson, it's not Shoddy Robinson, it's another person's.
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Speaker 1: It's likely another victims.
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Speaker 11: And so I'll be interested to hear what put police
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Speaker 11: and the government find in searching some of these bodies
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Speaker 11: of water. Because that is where Maxwell Anderson allegedly has
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Speaker 11: dumped the remains of his victims. And what other remains
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Speaker 11: are we going to see? That?
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Speaker 1: That's kind of what I'm looking for.
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Speaker 2: Volunteers are still looking for parts of Chahda's body behind
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Speaker 2: bars right now. The son of a multi millionaire Milwaukee
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Speaker 2: businessman who was a part time bartender at the time,
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Speaker 2: has he had any meaningful interrogations with police? Where is
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Speaker 2: the rest of Shahde's body? And in light of a
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Speaker 2: backyard grave already dug mystery blood throughout his home, a
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Speaker 2: sex dungeon found in the basement, it leaves one to
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Speaker 2: speculate are there more victims?
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Speaker 1: Crime stories? With Nancy Grace with me an all star pedel.
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Speaker 2: But now to special guests, doctor Jory Craws and psychologists
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Speaker 2: former law enforcement faculty Saint Leo University.
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Speaker 1: Doctor Jory, thank you for being with us.
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Speaker 2: Explain a sex link, restraints, handcuffs and this was all
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Speaker 2: kept secret. The windows, according to an acquaintance of the suspect,
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Speaker 2: were darkened. We're boarded over or covered so no one
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Speaker 2: can look out or in. This was kept away and
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Speaker 2: for lack of a better word, a basement layer explain.
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Speaker 12: Yeah, that would be a behavioral prove of information for
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Speaker 12: anybody that could really properly understand it. First off, with
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Speaker 12: the sex offenders, they want isolation, they want privacy that
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Speaker 12: gives them time. Also, the biggest thing and when looking
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Speaker 12: at behavior, is that they're going to build a fantasy
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Speaker 12: from it. That's how they're going to remember this. So
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Speaker 12: what they do and what they can use to trigger
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Speaker 12: that fantasy is going to be very important evidentiary. That's
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Speaker 12: why a lot of them will take what police identify
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Speaker 12: as trophies like an identification car, driver's license, some clothing,
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Speaker 12: some personal items so they can relive that fantasy that
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Speaker 12: they've created. Now the restraints that they're using or that
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Speaker 12: they can use in these like what's found here, That
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Speaker 12: comes down to that power and control. One of the
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Speaker 12: things that I look at as a behavior is would
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Speaker 12: be where the sight of the dismemberment would be. If
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Speaker 12: it's not in the house, then it's going to be
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Speaker 12: somewhere else. And again that is not so much as
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Speaker 12: a sexual behavior, but it's an after the fact behavior
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Speaker 12: that now they've got to deal with getting rid of
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Speaker 12: this evidence. That would also lead me to believe that
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Speaker 12: this is not his first homicide. There seems to be
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Speaker 12: a pattern there the blood at the site. It may
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Speaker 12: prove to be of other victims that were possibly injured
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Speaker 12: or dismembered there at the house.
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Speaker 2: Doctor Droy Krausen, you mentioned power and control and having
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Speaker 2: dealt and investigated several dismemberment cases, the ultimate power and
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Speaker 2: control over your victim is not only killing them, but
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Speaker 2: a step beyond that and dismembering their body. Putting their
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Speaker 2: body in various locations, hiding them is just another assault
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Speaker 2: on your victim and the memory of the victim.
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Speaker 1: That's true.
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Speaker 12: The dismemberment in this I look at as evidentiary because
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Speaker 12: he's he's got to get rid of it. Some killers
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Speaker 12: like Ted Bundy, he put his bodies intact someplace where
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Speaker 12: he could come back, you know, like the necrophilia and
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Speaker 12: visit with the body in its entirety. This behavior is
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Speaker 12: different where like to say, it becomes getting rid of
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Speaker 12: the evidence. He's still going to have things there to
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Speaker 12: fantasize and recall the event, but this now becomes, you know,
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Speaker 12: removing the evidence in any connection to it.
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Speaker 1: Joining us right now.
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Speaker 2: Crime online dot Com investigative reporter Sidney Sumner, Sidney.
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Speaker 1: Thank you for being with us.
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Speaker 2: I noticed in the amended affidavit police they probably cause affidavit.
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Speaker 2: Police very carefully amended the prior information to state that
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Speaker 2: blood found in the suspect's home is not a match
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Speaker 2: to Shade Robinson, the teen girl whose body parts are
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Speaker 2: still being discovered by volunteers. We know police have the
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Speaker 2: suspects of DNA. That's a very quick test to get
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Speaker 2: a DNA, like a field test done at times of war.
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Speaker 2: What can you tell me about the location of the
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Speaker 2: blood found in the suspect's home, Sydney, Absolutely.
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Speaker 8: Nancy, that blood was found on a comforter. We're not
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Speaker 8: sure exactly where that betting was found. Maybe Anderson's bedroom.
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Speaker 8: And there was also blood on a wall of a
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Speaker 8: stairwell leading to Anderson's basement. And neither of those patches
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Speaker 8: are matches to Shawde Robinson. Unclear who they belonged to.
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Speaker 8: Maybe weorth talking about another victim.
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Speaker 2: Eric Fattus joining me, high profile lawyer and legal analyst.
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Speaker 2: We know that, for instance, a DNA sample, like a
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Speaker 2: field test, you can get a yes no answer in
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Speaker 2: five to ten minutes, as was done from years and
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Speaker 2: years and years at times of war when you have
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Speaker 2: to identify it remains. If you want more information, it
25:01
Speaker 2: can take hours. If you want information a DNA result
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Speaker 2: that you want to take to a jury, then that
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Speaker 2: can take weeks.
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Speaker 1: That said Eric Fattus. If they have the.
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Speaker 2: Defendants of blood, then they should know and be able
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Speaker 2: to isolate the blood found in his home and tell
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Speaker 2: us whether it's his blood or the victim's blood.
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Speaker 1: I'm very concerned that there's more. There are more.
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Speaker 2: Victims, and now we have a sex dungeon rearing its
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Speaker 2: ugly head in his basement.
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Speaker 11: Yeah, you know, Nasie, I think the community shares your
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Speaker 11: concern about possible extra victims. And when we look at
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Speaker 11: this blood sample, that they have the defendant's blood, and
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Speaker 11: so it would be relatively easy to get at least
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Speaker 11: a preliminary determination as with the blood in his house
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Speaker 11: matched him, and if it did, they should tell the
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Speaker 11: public that. So the public isn't worried about these potential
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Speaker 11: other victims. They haven't done that. So I must infer
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Speaker 11: from that that the police department is at least has
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Speaker 11: a concern that there are other victims of this defendant,
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Speaker 11: and hopefully they're actively looking into them.
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Speaker 2: Guys over the weekend. It was Shadai's mom, Sheenas Carboro's birthday,
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Speaker 2: and she says, and I quote, that's all I want
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Speaker 2: for my birthday, Shade's mom, pleading for help finding the
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Speaker 2: rest of her daughter's remains. Can you imagine that that's
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Speaker 2: what you want for your birthday, the rest of your
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Speaker 2: daughter's body parts. This as a suspects sitting in jail
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Speaker 2: with three hots and a cot, refusing to tell police
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Speaker 2: all the places he allegedly scattered shah Day's remains a
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Speaker 2: first date murder and dismemberment, and she had been so
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Speaker 2: excited for this first date. A group of about twenty
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Speaker 2: people in the last forty eight hours were in the
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Speaker 2: Milwaukee River with wetsuits and boats as they continue the
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Speaker 2: search for shaw Day, Robinson and joining right now Keith
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Speaker 2: krmickan underwater search and rescue recovery expert searching for shaw
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Speaker 2: Day in bodies of water. Keith Cormickan tell me about
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Speaker 2: the search of the Milwaukee River.
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Speaker 7: I am familiar with the river, but I know it's
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Speaker 7: a very shallow, rocky, very rocky river, so it's going
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Speaker 7: to be very difficult to search and be best all by.
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Speaker 2: Diving twenty people out on Saturday with wetsuits and boats.
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Speaker 2: Why do you say it is or is not too
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Speaker 2: shallow for diving.
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Speaker 7: It would be the best case scenario is to put
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Speaker 7: divers in to search that area.
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Speaker 2: Mister Kormickin, tell me about your search for shaw Day.
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Speaker 7: Sure, So I searched along the shoreline of the park
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Speaker 7: that the leg was found. We searched a shallow area
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Speaker 7: out to about ten feet one hundred and fifty feet
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Speaker 7: off a shore. This area is found to be very rocky,
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Speaker 7: from anywhere from six to two foot round boulders lined
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Speaker 7: along the shoreline and off the shore. So that's the
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Speaker 7: area that we had been there and searched. Visibility is
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Speaker 7: about two feet of visibility is what we had with
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Speaker 7: the remote operated vehicle.
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Speaker 2: Does your vehicle have size scan centar?
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Speaker 7: My ROV has forward facing sonar, so it shines forward.
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Speaker 7: So it's a very high end sonar.
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Speaker 8: Yes.
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Speaker 7: But in a rocky area like this, sonar is not
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Speaker 7: going to work.
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Speaker 2: No, because you can't distinguish between rocks and body parts.
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Speaker 2: It's not a disjuncture. We're not looking for a body
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Speaker 2: which would show up even in roy a rocky area
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Speaker 2: because you can make out the outline of it, but
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Speaker 2: if you're looking for your body parts with the rocky bottom,
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Speaker 2: you won't be able to tell what you're seeing. Guys
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Speaker 2: with Me is an underwater search and recovery expert Keith
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Speaker 2: kormickin Also with Me Sidney Summer Crimeonline dot Com investigative
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Speaker 2: reporter Sidney, what can you tell me about gas cans
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Speaker 2: being found.
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Speaker 1: In the suspects home? And I want to just ask
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Speaker 1: one more time about the blood the location of the blood.
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Speaker 8: Nancy, they found those gas cans in the bloodstains on
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Speaker 8: that search warrant from April fourth, gas cans were found
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Speaker 8: in the garage and that just further corroborates that Anderson
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Speaker 8: is responsible for that car fire. We remember he was
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Speaker 8: scene entering a bus just after the fire started, carrying
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Speaker 8: a ten backpack matching multiple witness descriptions. And that blood
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Speaker 8: again was found on betting, on a comforter and on
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Speaker 8: the wall of a stairwell leading down to the basement
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Speaker 8: where that sex dungeon apparently is.
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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
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Speaker 2: I guess I need to shrink on this one, Attorney
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Speaker 2: Eric Faddis, But who digs a grave in the backyard
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Speaker 2: and doesn't use it.
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Speaker 1: What is that? Saving it for later? What's that exactly?
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Speaker 11: I mean, you don't need a PhD to find out
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Speaker 11: kind of what a person's intention was. It's a five
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Speaker 11: feet by six feet grave. It's a human body size. Okay,
30:51
Speaker 11: everyone knows that. And so you know what was this
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Speaker 11: guy planning that? This took place in my understanding months
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Speaker 11: before the shot in Robinson incident, and so you know
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Speaker 11: what did he have in his mind? What were his
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Speaker 11: plans for seaw day as well as potentially others?
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Speaker 12: Nay?
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Speaker 1: Can I chime in?
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Speaker 2: Yes?
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Speaker 1: Jump that grave?
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Speaker 12: To me as a behavior is he's looking for the
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Speaker 12: perfect victim to fit in that grave. Okay, He's doing
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Speaker 12: a lot of prowling from what I've been reading about
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Speaker 12: you the internet.
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Speaker 6: He's working at the bar.
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Speaker 12: He's looking for the perfect victim to fit in that grave.
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Speaker 2: And you think a bartender is just making you a drink,
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Speaker 2: and the whole time he's looking at you, looking at
31:33
Speaker 2: your driver's license in you hand to prove Dob.
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Speaker 1: Think about it.
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Speaker 2: His dad and a walking millionaire offers him a job,
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Speaker 2: gives him nepotism, nepotism, a job in his insurance brokerage firms.
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Speaker 1: I recall that's what it.
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Speaker 2: Was Sydney summer. But he can't hold a job. He
31:53
Speaker 2: can't hold it at thirty three. He's a part time bartender.
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Speaker 2: When he can hold down a job scoping out in
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Speaker 2: a hut like a hunter, like doctor Jewry Crass and said,
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Speaker 2: and let me remind everybody he's innocent for now until
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Speaker 2: the state proves him guilty.
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Speaker 1: But what fatus you said that?
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Speaker 2: Then?
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Speaker 1: I'm not saying you're right or wrong, but let's just
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Speaker 1: pretend that you're right.
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Speaker 2: That the grave was dug in the backyard well before
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Speaker 2: he had a date as first date murder with shah
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Speaker 2: Da Robinson, the teen girl college student.
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Speaker 1: What was it for? Well, who was it for?
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Speaker 2: And if it was for any other purpose, why wasn't
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Speaker 2: it used and covered up? Did nobody notice there's a
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Speaker 2: grave in the backyard. I got a neighbor that can
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Speaker 2: tell you everything that happens in my backyard.
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Speaker 1: Nobody noticed a grave back there?
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Speaker 3: Yeah?
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Speaker 1: No, totally fair questions.
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Speaker 11: And it sounds like at least one of the friends
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Speaker 11: or acquaintances of Max Linderson was aware of this grave
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Speaker 11: in the back and end the explanation that the suspect
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Speaker 11: Max Anderson gave doesn't make any sense that he was
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Speaker 11: building another underground basemook when he already had like a
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Speaker 11: full underground basement in his in his primary residence.
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Speaker 6: Makes no sense.
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Speaker 11: And so you know, anybody with a mind is going
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Speaker 11: to look at this and start thinking, what other uses
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Speaker 11: was he trying to put this to? What other people
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Speaker 11: was he eyeing down for purposes of this backyard grave.
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Speaker 2: Back to Sydney Sumner, speaking of cell phone pays. We
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Speaker 2: saw what digital footprints can do in a trial such
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Speaker 2: as the Alex Murnaud trial and the double murder trial
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Speaker 2: for the slave of his wife and son, or what
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Speaker 2: we see it doing in the Brian Coburger quadruple sleigh
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Speaker 2: out in Idaho. Tell me about the digital data in
33:43
Speaker 2: this case, Sydney, Nancy.
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Speaker 8: In this case, the cell phone data starts with Robinson's
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Speaker 8: text messages with Maxwell Anderson before their date Monday evening.
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Speaker 8: So they texted around five pm to decide where to
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Speaker 8: eat that night, and they arrived at Twisted Fishermen around
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Speaker 8: six point thirty. Excuse me five. They arrived at five
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Speaker 8: pm and they left around six point thirty. This all
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Speaker 8: indicated by Robinson's cell phone from the Twisted Fishermen. The
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Speaker 8: couple traveled to Duke's on Water and this was also
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Speaker 8: evidenced by Robinson's cell phone. They stayed there until about
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Speaker 8: nine PM, and Robinson sent his snapchat to her friend
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Speaker 8: from Dukes that she turned that in when she reported
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Speaker 8: Robinson missing. The next morning, from Dukes, they traveled to
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Speaker 8: Anderson's home and her phone was there until about twelve
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Speaker 8: forty five am at Ping's near Pleasant Valley Park, then
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Speaker 8: Ping's at Warnemont Park where its phone battery dies at
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Speaker 8: four thirty five am. That was her last known location.
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Speaker 8: Robinson's family also had Life three sixty groups. They were
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Speaker 8: also able to track her using that app aside from
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Speaker 8: her pings, and they have been out searching those areas
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Speaker 8: evidenced by that Milwaukee River search over the weekend.
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Speaker 2: Is it true, Eric, that he waved his preliminary hearing
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Speaker 2: and what does that mean to you legally?
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Speaker 11: That's my understanding. And it's a bit of a head
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Speaker 11: scratcher on that one, because usually a defendant will wave
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Speaker 11: their preliminary hearing in exchange for some either plea offer
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Speaker 11: or some promise of future negotiations. Because if there's no
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Speaker 11: plea offer on the table and offense going to trial anyway.
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Speaker 11: Usually they say, hey, prosecution, you've got to prove the
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Speaker 11: probable cause at the preliminary hearing. You're not giving me
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Speaker 11: anything to wave in exchange for this, so you'll prove it.
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Speaker 11: The fact that he waived it is a bit of
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Speaker 11: a head scratcher. I don't know if any communications that
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Speaker 11: have taken place between the prosecution and defense regarding a
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Speaker 11: plead Eric Fattis.
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Speaker 2: There may have been other reasons that the lawyers waived
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Speaker 2: a preliminary hearing. They may not have wanted him back
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Speaker 2: in court for more pictures, for more publicity, because hey,
35:59
Speaker 2: looks like a kill in court.
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Speaker 1: He looks spoiled right now. I don't want to say.
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Speaker 2: That because the oppression he's giving in court is not
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Speaker 2: a good one. You know, the state has enough PC
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Speaker 2: probable cause to move forward, so why put it on
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Speaker 2: parade in open court?
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Speaker 1: Yeah, NaN's if that's a solid point.
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Speaker 11: You know, the community is already beginning to have an
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Speaker 11: impression of this defendant, and perhaps perhaps defense did not
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Speaker 11: want to further worsen that impression that everyone already has
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Speaker 11: of their client by by going to a probable cause
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Speaker 11: hearing and airing out all of these egregious, horrendous alleged
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Speaker 11: facts against Maxwell Anderson here. So perhaps that was the
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Speaker 11: strategy of waving the preliminary hearing.
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Speaker 2: As this case inches toward trial, we stop to remember
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Speaker 2: an American hero, Sergeant Alec Langan, just twenty three years old.
36:55
Speaker 2: Alec Lingan dies in a helicopter crash with four other
36:59
Speaker 2: Marines Feb six, twenty twenty four. Awarded the Navy and
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Speaker 2: Marine Corps Achievement Medal, National Defense Service Medal, and two
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Speaker 2: Sea Service Deployment Ribbons. He leaves behind grieving wife Casey
37:16
Speaker 2: and parents Karen and Stephen. American hero Sergeant Alec lancoln
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Speaker 2: I want to thank all of our guests for being
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Speaker 2: with us tonight, but especially to you for being with.
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Speaker 1: Us tonight and every night.
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Speaker 2: Nancy Gray signing off, good night friend,