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UK Column News - 1st August 2025 · UK Column Radio

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Speaker 1: Good afternoon. It's just gone one o'clock on Friday, the
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Speaker 1: first of August twenty twenty five. Welcome to the UK
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Speaker 1: Column News. I'm your host, Charles Mallett. I'm joined in
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Speaker 1: the studio today by Patrick Henningson. Welcome to the program. Patrick,
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Speaker 1: great to be with you, Charles. And on the live
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Speaker 1: link we have Mark Anderson from the United States and
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Speaker 1: Mike Robinson from Northern Ireland. Now there'll be a lot
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Speaker 1: to get through today as always, and we're going to
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Speaker 1: be looking at the possible nuclear capabilities of Iran as
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Speaker 1: described over in Chicago. We're going to be looking at
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Speaker 1: the latest tariff, theatrics at the UK's plans for food
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Speaker 1: strategy and food security, the BBC and indeed particularly how
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Speaker 1: they're dealing with the Paloma Chemerani inquest, as well as
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Speaker 1: mass media consolidation in the United States concerning paramount. But
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Speaker 1: you'll remember from Wednesday's program that I was reporting via
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Speaker 1: Patrick who sent in some footage of an event he
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Speaker 1: attended in London on Monday to do with the smered
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Speaker 1: flotilla and somed of course we should point out meaning
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Speaker 1: the Arabic word for perseverance. Now I'm pleased to say that.
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Speaker 1: Patrick has a lot more on this for today's program,
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Speaker 1: So that's where we're going to begin today, Patrick.
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Speaker 2: Thanks Charles.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, it was just really a rally for well, the
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Speaker 3: Handela had just been This was the Gaza flotilla had
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Speaker 3: just been seized by the Israelis. Will bring that up
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Speaker 3: on screen so people see the boat again. But the
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Speaker 3: part of the Gaza Freedom Flotilla they had the mad Leen,
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Speaker 3: which was also apprehended a few months ago. The crew
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Speaker 3: was kidnapped and abused by the Israelis.
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Speaker 2: They were all released.
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Speaker 3: The whole crew of the Handela I think is safe
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Speaker 3: now as far as I'm concerned. There might be one
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Speaker 3: or two other exceptions so that but we'll get a
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Speaker 3: clarification on that. But they had a press conference in
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Speaker 3: London and it was really kind of to bring the
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Speaker 3: press in to give them more information about what's coming
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Speaker 3: and also just to hear some of the testimonies of
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Speaker 3: one of the members of the Handela was there. Tiago
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Speaker 3: had a chance to speak to him as well. But
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Speaker 3: some of the other people who there are Human Rights
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Speaker 3: Watch and also an MP from Dublin. So this was
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Speaker 3: very revealiing. So we have a video report which will
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Speaker 3: show you from this event, and we'll have some of
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Speaker 3: the statements in there, and we'll speak a little bit
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Speaker 3: about what the content of that is afterwards, but let's
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Speaker 3: go ahead and watch this.
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Speaker 4: The governments must end all complicity, must stop arms, and
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Speaker 4: in fact must impose in arms embargo, a comprehensive arms
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Speaker 4: embargo on Israel immediately.
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Speaker 5: The situation that we are seeing unfolding in Gaza is
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Speaker 5: the extermination of the Palestinian people. What makes this specific
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Speaker 5: and unique is the fact that this is being carried
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Speaker 5: out by an ally of Western governments. It's being carried
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Speaker 5: out by a state that calls the United Kingdom, the EU, Canada,
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Speaker 5: Australia a friend, and that is one of the things
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Speaker 5: that clearly distinguishes this situation from others. But obviously the
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Speaker 5: fact that it is extermination of a people raises it
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Speaker 5: to the level of one of the greatest atrocities that
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Speaker 5: can be committed by a state and by its officials.
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Speaker 6: We were on the Madllenium a mission with twelve people,
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Speaker 6: with food, with medicine, with crutches, with baby formula, with
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Speaker 6: a lot of things like what are filters to try
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Speaker 6: to do?
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Speaker 7: The Office things.
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Speaker 6: When we see a genocide that eight billion people that
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Speaker 6: see children being start to death, they know that it's wrong.
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Speaker 6: They want to help, they want to bring them food.
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Speaker 6: When they see hospitals, shelter, schools being bombed, children being
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Speaker 6: burned alive, they want to stop that, and that's why
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Speaker 6: we went.
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Speaker 8: I think that the swift action you've seen, as you say,
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Speaker 8: rightly a legal occupation by Russia, but it's too military
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Speaker 8: against each other, and we're seeing very quick action by
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Speaker 8: the EU. And I think that that's where now the
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Speaker 8: people across the Europe are saying what like the double
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Speaker 8: standards is so blatant, and the level of frustration from
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Speaker 8: US politicians who are all we're asking for is international
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Speaker 8: law to be upheld, like that's the bare minimum we're
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Speaker 8: asking for. Is that the same standard as a light
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Speaker 8: Israel as applied to any other country in the world.
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Speaker 8: It's not going to happen at the EU. I've been
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Speaker 8: back in the European Parliament a year now and the
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Speaker 8: chair of the Delegation for Relations to Palestine, and I've
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Speaker 8: repeatedly said, you will not get a consensus at the
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Speaker 8: EU's at the EU level, So therefore it is not
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Speaker 8: just the legal thing that Member State does, but it's
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Speaker 8: also the moral, the right thing to do that they
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Speaker 8: take you in a latter election. So Ireland has had
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Speaker 8: this bill, called the Occupied Territories Bill, since twenty eighteen.
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Speaker 8: It passed all stages in our Parliament, but it was
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Speaker 8: blocked by the Irish government for years. The campaign to
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Speaker 8: reignite that bill, obviously since twenty twenty three, has now
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Speaker 8: gone to the point where we're almost ready now for
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Speaker 8: the government to enactive. But I really do believe that
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Speaker 8: if Ireland shows that courage and let's not forget this
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Speaker 8: is just to enact the ICJ ruling of July twenty
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Speaker 8: twenty four that the proceeds of crime from a legal
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Speaker 8: settlement should not be sold. That if we do that,
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Speaker 8: it will be the first domino that will fall. We
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Speaker 8: know other Members States are watching very closely what Ireland
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Speaker 8: is doing. They then hopefully would follow suit. And then
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Speaker 8: what happens is that the House of Cards comes down
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Speaker 8: in terms of Israel's impunity, because first we go after
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Speaker 8: the illegal settlements, then we go after the preferential trade,
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Speaker 8: the arms and bargo, the sanctions, all of the tools
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Speaker 8: that politicians have that they could be doing today. But
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Speaker 8: I honestly believe is that first crack happens, other countries
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Speaker 8: will be in bold in to take action as well.
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Speaker 3: So that I was really the question I a had
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Speaker 3: for Lynn Boylan. There was, you know, how come no
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Speaker 3: EU entries can be stepping forward to sanction Israel and
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Speaker 3: Ireland was the closest. But what's holding Ireland back? That's
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Speaker 3: an interesting question and her answer to that surprised me.
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Speaker 3: What's holding Ireland back? The pressure coming on Ireland not
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Speaker 3: to sanction Israel. It's not coming from Brussels, Charles, It's
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Speaker 3: coming from somewhere else. Listen to this, and.
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Speaker 8: That's why you see such pressure coming on Ireland, particularly
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Speaker 8: from the US because of our longstanding relationship with the US.
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Speaker 8: IPAC are pumping huge amounts of money into taking out
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Speaker 8: opeds in very high profile news the papers. They are
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Speaker 8: ramping up their politicians that are IPACK support, are supported
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Speaker 8: by IPAC, sponsored by iPAQ and getting them to call
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Speaker 8: Ireland anti Semitic to challenge Ireland's bail But the reason
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Speaker 8: why they're doing that is because they know this would
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Speaker 8: be the downfall. The house of cards will collapse if
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Speaker 8: Ireland takes this action, and that's why we have to
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Speaker 8: old fast. So I mean, we have a lot of
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Speaker 8: foreign direct investment in Ireland, a lot of major companies.
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Speaker 8: This bill, though, would only affect two or three companies.
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Speaker 8: But it's the Israel or no fools. They know the
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Speaker 8: consequences of this bill passing means that's a domino effect
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Speaker 8: and that's why they're ramping up the pressure. They know
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Speaker 8: Ireland's weak point is the link between the US, our
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Speaker 8: long standing relationship with the US, and that's why they
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Speaker 8: are getting US politicians to do their dirty work and
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Speaker 8: to try and keep the pressure on the Irish government.
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Speaker 8: We know under the Biden administration that the ambassador to
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Speaker 8: Ireland contacted our government and warned them of consequences if
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Speaker 8: this bill was enacted. We know that our former finance
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Speaker 8: minister are now again the current finance minister. He also
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Speaker 8: gave commitments to Israel that this bill would never see
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Speaker 8: the light of day. So this pressure is real, it's
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Speaker 8: not imagined. And I think that for the government they
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Speaker 8: tried to withstand it for so long, with standing act
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Speaker 8: the bill with the people power and the pressure they're
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Speaker 8: under now from the public means they have to do
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Speaker 8: the right thing, because we're being told that if we
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Speaker 8: do this bill that American companies will have to comply
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Speaker 8: with America's anti boycott, anti sanctions laws. Our argument back
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Speaker 8: is well, one, there's only two or three companies that
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Speaker 8: are involved that are because most companies don't actually do
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Speaker 8: business and occupied territories because they know it's toxic. But
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Speaker 8: two that this is not Israeli land, so it can't
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Speaker 8: be a boycott of Israeli products because it's a Palestinian land.
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Speaker 8: This is the proceeds of crime that Israel are committing
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Speaker 8: by illegally occupying Palestinian land, and therefore it cannot be
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Speaker 8: called a boycott of Israeli products. So the legal arguments
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Speaker 8: are on our side. We know that with the pressure
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Speaker 8: is very real. It is coming from the US predominantly,
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Speaker 8: but it's people power that have forced this bill to
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Speaker 8: the point where it is now where we've got a
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Speaker 8: committee to recommend full ban on trade.
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Speaker 2: So it's very close.
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Speaker 3: It's just a question, like she said, like lind said,
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Speaker 3: the domino needs to fall, and the first domino is
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Speaker 3: the Occupied Territories bill, which has been like held up
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Speaker 3: forever there But Yasmin Ahmed, the UK director of Human
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Speaker 3: Rights Watch made an important point we didn't include because
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Speaker 3: of time, but she said, in nineteen eighty two, Margaret Thatcher,
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Speaker 3: Margaret Thatcher, she put a full arms embargo on the
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Speaker 3: State of Israel for their aggression in Lebanon. So if
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Speaker 3: Margaret Thatcher can do it, why can't kurs Steamer do it?
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Speaker 1: Charles I think this is it. This is this is
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Speaker 1: the question that we'll have found. Bise All absolutely, anybody,
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Speaker 1: certainly anybody that's been watching a UK column over the
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Speaker 1: last couple of years. But but it's you know, it's
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Speaker 1: very interesting you watch a meeting like this is quite
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Speaker 1: clearly it's not a it's not a fringe issue, is
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Speaker 1: not a it's not a minority concern. And you listen
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Speaker 1: to the language that's used by people who in fact
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Speaker 1: don't have this agency. They're the words like must you know,
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Speaker 1: governments must do this. And of course on the other side,
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Speaker 1: I mean only this morning the Foreign Commonwealth and Development Office,
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Speaker 1: we're tweeting out about aid that must get in, that
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Speaker 1: they must be given access to it, and yet they
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Speaker 1: in effect have it within their gift to enforce that
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Speaker 1: and don't. And we hear about the prospect of using
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Speaker 1: military intervention, military force here, there and everywhere, but not
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Speaker 1: in this particular situation. I'm not, of course, advocating for
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Speaker 1: throwing more volatile content into that kind of an environment,
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Speaker 1: but it is quite pathetic to hear people commentating from
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Speaker 1: the sidelines, albeit that they are actually at the epicenter
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Speaker 1: in the political arena, but they will do nothing.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, they'll do nothing. So we'll wait and see.
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Speaker 3: Now some people are doing something, Charles, and one of
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Speaker 3: those countries is Slovenia. Just briefly, will bring this up
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Speaker 3: on screen here. This is the latest in Europe and
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Speaker 3: this is Slovenia becoming the first EU country to ban
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Speaker 3: arms trade with Israel. That is a full arms embargo
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Speaker 3: against Israel. So just as we speak, this story breaks
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Speaker 3: really over the last couple of days. So that's interesting.
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Speaker 3: This comes on the heels of this also from Slovenia.
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Speaker 3: Slovenia bands ben Gavie and Smoltrich, two of the most
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Speaker 3: not so savory people walking the earth at the moment
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Speaker 3: from entering their genocidal for their statements that they've made
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Speaker 3: against Gaza. So they that's interesting. So Slovenia is really
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Speaker 3: has broken the door down here. And just on that
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Speaker 3: note as well, Canada, who's been, you know, virtue signaling
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Speaker 3: about recognizing a Palestinian state this week. Well, as we
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Speaker 3: revealed here in this report just filed yesterday, Canada's uninterrupted
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Speaker 3: flow of arms deliveries to Israel through various third parties
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Speaker 3: and back channels. So all of the details are there.
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Speaker 3: But here's the real This is the real scam that
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Speaker 3: is going to take place. Take a look at this.
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Speaker 3: This is very important to realize here. This is the
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Speaker 3: new two state solution.
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Speaker 2: Push.
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Speaker 3: Okay, everybody's on board now with the two state solution,
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Speaker 3: finally after so long of just abandoning any anything because
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Speaker 3: Israel didn't want it. But if you look at the
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Speaker 3: details in here, it's quite damning. And we go into
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Speaker 3: all the basic plans and what they're trying to do
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Speaker 3: is turn the Gaza into the west Bank. They're trying
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Speaker 3: to westbankify the Gaza strip. And this is really the
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Speaker 3: most important part. It's in the headline here from Frustration magazine,
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Speaker 3: love the title of that magazine here. Why does France
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Speaker 3: want to recognize a demilitarized Palestine? So it's again have
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Speaker 3: a trustee police force like the PA Palestinian authority under
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Speaker 3: a puppet leader like a boss or ruling over Gaza,
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Speaker 3: so Israel still in fact, Israel retains bigger control over
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Speaker 3: Gaza in this new two state solution that they're proposing.
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Speaker 3: So it's basically, you can have a state and name,
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Speaker 3: but zero sovereignty. And what this does is it brings
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Speaker 3: negotiations back to square one again. And Israel's perfected this
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Speaker 3: negotiation strategy for the last forty years. They're brilliant at it.
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Speaker 3: They know exactly they run rings around the Western politicians.
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Speaker 3: They've been doing this for a long time. They know
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Speaker 3: exactly how to bring it back to zero while they
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Speaker 3: change facts on the ground. And this is how we
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Speaker 3: got to this point in the first place. And I
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Speaker 3: do not see anybody willing to basically put their foot
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Speaker 3: down and call this for what it is. And that's
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Speaker 3: my fear is that all this push for a Palestinian state,
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Speaker 3: I think is just completely hollow and this could actually
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Speaker 3: get canned at some point in the next couple of
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Speaker 3: months because they'll say, well, the facts on the grounds
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Speaker 3: have changed, Yeah, we can't do that anymore, and that'll
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Speaker 3: buy them another year. That's kind of where we're at.
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Speaker 1: I'm sure right, and certainly there'll be no interrogation of
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Speaker 1: what you've just been describing by the mainstream media.
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Speaker 3: And you cover this amazing whistleblower from the Gaza Humanitarian Foundation.
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Speaker 3: Mister I think Anthony Aguilar is his name. He did
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Speaker 3: another interview with an American podcaster here or a gentleman here,
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Speaker 3: which has gone viral on x and the opening gambit,
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Speaker 3: Charles is quite something.
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Speaker 2: Listen to this.
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Speaker 9: Very explicitly directly to my face that our client is
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Speaker 9: the IDF.
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Speaker 2: Your client is the idea.
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Speaker 9: Our client is the IDF. And this came out a
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Speaker 9: discussion once where I was in the control room. I
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Speaker 9: was on operation. I was on control room duty that day.
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Speaker 9: We had shifted responsibilities on a rotation was so I
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Speaker 9: was in there that day with the radio observing Site
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Speaker 9: number two distribution. A Palestinine man had picked up some
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Speaker 9: children to let them step on his shoulders to get
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Speaker 9: onto a burm because they were being crushed in the crowd.
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Speaker 9: Site two is very small, smallest of all for sights,
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Speaker 9: and these children are being crushed, and you pick them
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Speaker 9: up there and put them up on the on the
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Speaker 9: berm and the Israeli Defense Forces liaison officer in the
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Speaker 9: main control center with us comes up to the screen
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Speaker 9: that I'm watching and he says, tell your men to
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Speaker 9: get them down. I was like, we got this under control.
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Speaker 9: I was like, oh, no, they know what they're doing.
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Speaker 2: You know, they're children.
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Speaker 9: Let's calm down, get them down now, or I will Well,
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Speaker 9: there's no IDF on the site, so I didn't take
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Speaker 9: it as much of like much more than just being
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Speaker 9: you know, bombastic and like, okay, like, hey, we got this.
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Speaker 9: He leaves and goes to his desk in the operation
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Speaker 9: center and he gets on the radio and he speaks
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Speaker 9: something on the radio. It was in Hebrew. I don't
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Speaker 9: speak Hebrew. One of the contractors that was there was
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Speaker 9: American that did speak Hebrew, and he notifies me he said, hey,
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Speaker 9: he just told the snipers at the IDF position. Because
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Speaker 9: the site number two is co located with an Israeli base,
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Speaker 9: he said he just told the snipers to take these
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Speaker 9: kids out. I was like, on the radio, He's like, yeah.
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Speaker 3: I mean, do you need to hear any more? So
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Speaker 3: Gaz a Humanitarian Foundation. One of the mercenaries there a
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Speaker 3: decorated green beret and probably who was pro Israel before
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Speaker 3: this assignment not anymore. And what he said there, his
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Speaker 3: client was the idef His client was the idea. I mean,
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Speaker 3: that to me was quite a bombshell, and it really
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Speaker 3: just kind of takes the mask off this whole fraudulent
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Speaker 3: humanitarian operation that they're trying to pass off as trying
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Speaker 3: to feed the Palestinians.
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Speaker 2: It's just unbelievable.
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Speaker 1: Absolutely. I mean, there's been a bundy of whispering about that,
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Speaker 1: but to hear it said out loud like that is
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Speaker 1: perfectly staggering. Patrick, Thank you very much indeed for that,
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Speaker 1: and we will of course discuss further what you've been
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Speaker 1: dealing with in extra. Now we'll go across to Mark,
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Speaker 1: who's been looking at what's being discussed at the Chicago
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Speaker 1: councilor Global Affairs, specifically with regard to Iran's nuclear capability.
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Speaker 10: Hello guys, Hello viewers. Yeah, the Chicago Council, the former
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Speaker 10: Chicago CFI. I've been following them for about fifteen years.
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Speaker 10: They're one of the busiest think tanks in the US,
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Speaker 10: as I've mentioned, and I covered this in real time
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Speaker 10: virtually last Tuesday. So these are all original photos in
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Speaker 10: its first hand coverage, the name of the program, the
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Speaker 10: Middle East on Edge, what's next for Iran, Israel and
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Speaker 10: the region. Of course, US interests were mentioned. And one
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Speaker 10: thing I'll mentioned right up front is Leslie vin Ja
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Speaker 10: Murray shown to the left.
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Speaker 11: There.
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Speaker 10: She's the new Chicago Council president. She took over for
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Speaker 10: Evil Dhalder. She's fresh out of Chatham House. And I'm
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Speaker 10: already detecting a little bit of more of a bias
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Speaker 10: in favor of Israel, a little bit of a harder
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Speaker 10: line tone for the programs here. It's a little early
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Speaker 10: to tell, for sure, but I'm detecting that a little bit.
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Speaker 10: She's shown here with Rachel Bronson, one of the three speakers,
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Speaker 10: Rachel's senior advisor at the Bulletin of the Atomic Scientist,
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Speaker 10: previously its president's CEO, overseeing its programming and its iconic
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Speaker 10: doomsday clock. And we'll move forward from there. The doomsday clock.
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Speaker 10: That's just a quick reminder of what it looks like
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Speaker 10: that's been with us a long time, part propaganda, part reality.
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Speaker 10: Perhaps it's from the Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists, kind
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Speaker 10: of a famous thing. But here's the other two speakers,
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Speaker 10: all original photo screenshots shown here we have left Robert
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Speaker 10: Pape will be focusing on him in a minute. University
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Speaker 10: of Chicago Political side professor. He directs of the Chicago
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Speaker 10: Project on Security and Terrorism, focusing on airpower, etc. Then
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Speaker 10: we have l Evs who directs the Iran Project and
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Speaker 10: he's senior advisor to the President at the International Crisis Group.
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Speaker 10: What is the Iran Project? Very briefly, it supports principal
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Speaker 10: democracy to prevent Iran, they say, from acquiring a nuclear
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Speaker 10: weapon and avert military conflict in the Middle East. So
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Speaker 10: the overall panel was pretty biased against Iran, pretty much
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Speaker 10: looking out mainly for Israel's interests. Here's a summary. I
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Speaker 10: have a summary of what they had to say. Robert
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Speaker 10: Pate spoke of the Big four eight. He referred to
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Speaker 10: Iran allegedly having four hundred and eight kilograms of sixty
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Speaker 10: percent enriched uranium, not quite what weapons Gray were told.
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Speaker 10: And he's he claimed Iran's only weeks away from ninety
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Speaker 10: percent allegedly worth ten nuclear weapons. About ten nuclear weapons
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Speaker 10: worth allegedly, but he asked, where's the four hundred and
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Speaker 10: eight kilograms? Now it's not known, mister Veyez. He said,
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Speaker 10: Iran has a victory narrative. Israel has a victory narrative,
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Speaker 10: and in a way, so does the US.
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Speaker 11: He said.
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Speaker 10: Iran responded with the most destruction in Israel since nineteen
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Speaker 10: seventy three. The damage is worse than assumed, he said.
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Speaker 10: And he also announced that a UN resolution that endorsed
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Speaker 10: the formerly US supported Iran nuclear deal expires in October,
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Speaker 10: So that UN nuclear deal expires in October, the UN
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Speaker 10: resolution that endorsed it, that is. And then Rachel Bronson
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Speaker 10: claimed the ceasefire will hold because Israel's attack was so
21:17
Speaker 10: quote so consequential, and she said that Iran, in her view,
21:22
Speaker 10: is trying to find intelligent gaps, intelligence gaps that is
21:26
Speaker 10: that it can exploit.
21:27
Speaker 11: But from there.
21:29
Speaker 10: Euro News has picked up on this in recent times,
21:33
Speaker 10: claiming that Iran has a mass four hundred and eight
21:35
Speaker 10: kilograms of uranium and riched up to sixty percent. And
21:39
Speaker 10: this is according to the International Atomic Energy Energy Agency,
21:43
Speaker 10: a branch of the UN, the UN watchdog. But of
21:47
Speaker 10: course Iran claims it's for peaceful uses. And we haven't
21:53
Speaker 10: heard that much about the four hundred and eight kilograms.
21:55
Speaker 10: It's something that's kept kind of hush hush, more or
21:58
Speaker 10: less But here's mister eight from the University of Chicago
22:02
Speaker 10: elaborating on that point.
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Speaker 7: I think the big number, folks, you should focus on
22:09
Speaker 7: is the number four oh eight. Four oh eight Iran
22:16
Speaker 7: had at the end of May four hundred and eight
22:20
Speaker 7: kilograms of sixty percent enriched uranium. That was the core concern.
22:27
Speaker 7: They had twenty percent, they had five percent, but that
22:30
Speaker 7: four oh eight is what they need. What the sixty percent?
22:34
Speaker 7: They were only weeks away of moving that up to
22:36
Speaker 7: ninety percent. That four oh eight was the equivalent of
22:40
Speaker 7: ten nuclear bombs ten and the estimates were they were
22:46
Speaker 7: somewhere between five and eight months away. You'd have to
22:49
Speaker 7: enrich you'd have to formulate it and to assemble the
22:52
Speaker 7: bombs and so forth. Well, where is that four oh
22:56
Speaker 7: eight today? We don't know. And that was always the
23:02
Speaker 7: core conclusion of every single one of those hypothetical bombing
23:07
Speaker 7: scenarios that we did. We would take out with exquisite
23:12
Speaker 7: precision every building standing above ground, well we pretty much
23:16
Speaker 7: did that. We would also take out through what I
23:19
Speaker 7: called double tap attacks. That was my name for it. It
23:22
Speaker 7: wasn't even called a name in twenty years ago. Where
23:25
Speaker 7: GPS the thing you need to know about GPS, folks,
23:28
Speaker 7: is it's three dimensional. It's not just two dimensional the
23:33
Speaker 7: way it is on your phone. So if the first
23:36
Speaker 7: bomb creates a crater, the second bomb can target that
23:40
Speaker 7: depth another and the third can maybe penetrate all the
23:43
Speaker 7: way through into those into those halls. Well, the fundamental
23:48
Speaker 7: problem we were always going to face that word feudal,
23:52
Speaker 7: was we would never be able to find verify that
23:57
Speaker 7: four eight. And in this case it's actually worse because
24:01
Speaker 7: in the intervening time between the time Israel started the
24:04
Speaker 7: bombing and the United States bomb four DAU and the toons,
24:09
Speaker 7: we know through satellite imagery, civilian satellite imagery which is
24:14
Speaker 7: now exquisite, that there were trucks taking stuff out from fordh.
24:23
Speaker 11: So those are mister Pape's claims.
24:26
Speaker 10: He's, by the way, the author of a book called
24:28
Speaker 10: Bombing to Win from nineteen ninety six, a curious title
24:31
Speaker 10: to say the least. But the only mention of Israel's
24:35
Speaker 10: arsenal or anything like that was very, very brief, just
24:39
Speaker 10: a passing comment at the end. So it seems like, well,
24:43
Speaker 10: there could be some truth to this. On the other hand,
24:45
Speaker 10: it could be largely or completely for peaceful uses and
24:49
Speaker 10: at any rate, Israel always gets a pass on its
24:51
Speaker 10: arsenal and any inspections there which never happened. So this
24:55
Speaker 10: was a kind of an unexpected thing to hear for me,
24:58
Speaker 10: at least at this program, an important thing to get
25:00
Speaker 10: out on the news.
25:02
Speaker 11: So back to you guys, Thanks very much, Mark.
25:05
Speaker 1: I think important to point out that absence of evidence
25:09
Speaker 1: is not the same as evidence of absence, as it were,
25:13
Speaker 1: and I think those two things are very easily confused
25:17
Speaker 1: and conflated. I'm going to have a bit more on
25:19
Speaker 1: Iran later in the program, but now what we're going
25:21
Speaker 1: to do is take a report from Will Coles Hill
25:25
Speaker 1: which concerns the Paloma Chemerani inquest, and he has been
25:31
Speaker 1: at that inquest over the past week and he's going
25:34
Speaker 1: to present his findings now in recorded video, which deal
25:37
Speaker 1: exclusively with the sort of medical malpractice and medical ethics
25:41
Speaker 1: side of it, as well as possible breach of their
25:43
Speaker 1: own editorial guidelines by the BBC.
25:46
Speaker 12: Hello, this is Will Cole Hill reporting for UK column.
25:49
Speaker 12: I'm here down at Kent and Medway Colin's Court where
25:51
Speaker 12: I'm reporting on the fifth day of the inquest into
25:54
Speaker 12: death of Ploma She and Ronnie. Now, the court case
25:56
Speaker 12: is not done yet, but we've heard a significant amount
25:58
Speaker 12: of evidence. This case, of course, has been propelled into
26:01
Speaker 12: the spotlight because of the mother of Ploma, Kate Hmurani,
26:05
Speaker 12: who is of course a famous freedom activist, considering the
26:08
Speaker 12: BBC pieces in terms of an article, a Panorama episode
26:13
Speaker 12: and also a podcast series by Marianna Spring where they
26:16
Speaker 12: were framed to allege, especially in terms of accusations by
26:20
Speaker 12: Plomer's brother Gabriel, that is Kate's son, that Kate Shamaranni
26:23
Speaker 12: had killed her own daughter.
26:25
Speaker 2: We've heard a.
26:25
Speaker 12: Significant amount of evidence from a number of doctors and
26:28
Speaker 12: the key focus for much of this case so far
26:31
Speaker 12: has actually been whether Plomer had the competence to be
26:35
Speaker 12: able to make her own decisions informed to choose alternative
26:39
Speaker 12: therapies rather than the mainstream conventional medical therapies. A lot
26:45
Speaker 12: of the original few Days covered the inciting incident when
26:50
Speaker 12: Paloma first found a media styl mass in her chest
26:55
Speaker 12: and went to the hospital, where a number of things
26:57
Speaker 12: happened which seemed to undermine any trust would have had
27:00
Speaker 12: inconventional medicine. Now, Poloma obviously did have a background in
27:04
Speaker 12: alternative therapy, but there seem to have been a number
27:07
Speaker 12: of alleged errors and malpractices that, at least in Poloma's views,
27:14
Speaker 12: according to her statements, have led her to distrust the
27:17
Speaker 12: NHS and conventional medicine and fear them and feel like
27:21
Speaker 12: she was being bullied. These include being denied a wristband
27:24
Speaker 12: and being administered drugs without consent and then being pressured
27:29
Speaker 12: into signing a consent form for chemotherapy by doctors. Now,
27:35
Speaker 12: obviously this is alleged at the moment, but backing this
27:38
Speaker 12: up was Poloma's own statements to the High Court. Indeed,
27:42
Speaker 12: it's quite a complex but very interesting case because this
27:45
Speaker 12: is one of the few cases where we actually have
27:48
Speaker 12: the statements very categorically of the person in question into
27:51
Speaker 12: whom this inquest is being conducted. Paloma, despite this original
27:54
Speaker 12: incident happening in late twenty twenty three around the end
27:58
Speaker 12: of the year, died in so twenty twenty four while
28:01
Speaker 12: she was currently in a battle with her brother over
28:05
Speaker 12: her medical autonomy and her capacity. During this time, she
28:09
Speaker 12: was spending some of the last of her money in
28:11
Speaker 12: order to fight her brother in court to maintain her
28:14
Speaker 12: medical autonomy and stay with her mother. Pursuing alternative therapies.
28:18
Speaker 12: What's quite interesting is despite multiple hours of coverage, an article,
28:22
Speaker 12: a piece by Panorama, and a five part podcast series,
28:26
Speaker 12: the BBC chose to omit Poloma's signed statements from their coverage. Now,
28:33
Speaker 12: why do I say that they chose to admit this coverage?
28:36
Speaker 12: Was quite interesting? The other day I was here and
28:38
Speaker 12: I spoke to one of the BBC employees who told
28:41
Speaker 12: me they were aware when they made them. Now I
28:43
Speaker 12: was given an email. I've then submitted a line of
28:46
Speaker 12: questions to one of the producers at the BBC's BBC
28:49
Speaker 12: email address, and I've also forwarded this over to the
28:51
Speaker 12: BBC Press office in order to have these questions answered.
28:54
Speaker 12: As of yet, at the time of recording, I've received
28:57
Speaker 12: no response to these questions, which do seem like the
29:00
Speaker 12: BBC has acted in the bias nature and breached their
29:03
Speaker 12: editorial guidelines as well as the BBC charter. During this case,
29:07
Speaker 12: we've heard from a number of doctors who were in
29:09
Speaker 12: contact with Poloma who have confirmed her competence, not only
29:12
Speaker 12: the initial doctor against whom much is alleged, doctor Mohan,
29:16
Speaker 12: who confirmed Poloma's competence, but also her psychologist, and we
29:20
Speaker 12: saw many many hours. I believe it may have been
29:22
Speaker 12: five or six hours of questioning who again completely asserted
29:26
Speaker 12: Poloma's competence. We saw a questioning of a hyperbaric oxygen therapist.
29:30
Speaker 12: Then we also saw a questioning of her GP. Now
29:32
Speaker 12: all four of these doctors confirmed ploma was competent, intelligent,
29:37
Speaker 12: and able to make her own decisions about her medical treatment.
29:41
Speaker 12: And that's what a lot of this comes down to.
29:43
Speaker 12: Whether Poloma had the right to choose her medical treatment
29:46
Speaker 12: and choose alternative therapy over conventional therapy, or whether because
29:51
Speaker 12: she chose that alternative treatment it is highly likely she
29:54
Speaker 12: was being coerced.
29:56
Speaker 2: There have been some.
29:57
Speaker 12: Very interesting actions by the coroner presiding over the case.
30:01
Speaker 12: We've seen the coroner mute Kate a number of times.
30:05
Speaker 12: We've seen fireworks, We've seen mother and son essentially interrogating
30:10
Speaker 12: each other. One significant factor is we've actually seen some
30:13
Speaker 12: malicious action within this case. For one, I had a
30:16
Speaker 12: milicious allegation against me that I was somehow filming in
30:19
Speaker 12: the court when it would have been effectively impossible for
30:22
Speaker 12: me to do so, considering I was sat right at
30:25
Speaker 12: the front of the press room in front of a
30:26
Speaker 12: camera live link to the main courtroom. Somehow I was
30:30
Speaker 12: meant to a film there. Obviously this is a purist allegation,
30:33
Speaker 12: but clearly someone was trying to prevent alternative media coverage
30:38
Speaker 12: of the court case. I have reported this as a
30:41
Speaker 12: malicious accusation to the coroner, and this has been noted
30:44
Speaker 12: and accepted. But I'm waiting to see what comes of it,
30:46
Speaker 12: because clearly there is a huge amount of mainstream media
30:50
Speaker 12: interest here but very little by the alternative media. A
30:54
Speaker 12: lot of what has happened so far has been determined
30:56
Speaker 12: by Paloma's competence investigating it and whether she was able
31:00
Speaker 12: to make her own decision. However, in the coming weeks,
31:03
Speaker 12: when we'll be back here again at this court, we
31:05
Speaker 12: are going to look at the days leading up to
31:07
Speaker 12: Paloma's death. We've already heard from a doctor who was
31:10
Speaker 12: there with Piloma at the end when she died. However,
31:13
Speaker 12: we are going to hear from the ambulance crew, and
31:15
Speaker 12: we're going to look at the administration of adrenaline, which
31:18
Speaker 12: Kate Shimarani is alleging killed Paloma by overloading her as
31:24
Speaker 12: she collapsed on that fateful day on July the nineteenth,
31:27
Speaker 12: twenty twenty four, We yet to hear from the ambulance cruise.
31:31
Speaker 12: Kate cave a very very emotional but very strong statement
31:36
Speaker 12: condemning their action and the amount of time that they
31:39
Speaker 12: spent waiting around before going down to the hospital to
31:42
Speaker 12: try and treat her, and that is likely what these
31:44
Speaker 12: last few days is going to focusupon, on the actual
31:47
Speaker 12: events directly leading up to her death, rather than her confidence. However,
31:51
Speaker 12: what I think we've seen from these five days in
31:54
Speaker 12: court is a refutation of what the BBC has put out,
31:58
Speaker 12: at least in terms of the evidence that has been
32:01
Speaker 12: seen so far. The evidence overwhelmingly points to the competence
32:04
Speaker 12: of paloma. So I believe there's a question to ask
32:07
Speaker 12: as to the BBC coverage as to Marianna Spring and
32:12
Speaker 12: as to whether.
32:14
Speaker 2: Anybody else who.
32:16
Speaker 12: Chose to take in natural treatment and happened to die
32:19
Speaker 12: would ever have this sort of coverage, or whether there
32:23
Speaker 12: are further agendas at play. Thank you, I'm Will cole
32:26
Speaker 12: Hill reporting for UK column News from Ken.
32:32
Speaker 1: Will cole Hill. Then very many thanks to him for
32:35
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32:38
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32:39
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32:43
Speaker 1: censorship that we experienced so much in what we do
32:46
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32:50
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32:54
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36:01
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36:08
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36:12
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36:14
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36:20
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36:23
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36:27
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36:31
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36:38
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36:41
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36:45
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36:49
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36:52
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36:56
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36:59
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37:03
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37:07
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37:13
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37:23
Speaker 1: preparing the ground so busily for the American top gun
37:27
Speaker 1: style bunker busting attack on Iran's nuclear program as it's
37:31
Speaker 1: being described, despite as I mentioned at the end of
37:34
Speaker 1: Mark's report, the complete absence of evidence that the enrichment
37:38
Speaker 1: of uranium was for any purpose other than energy for
37:41
Speaker 1: the civil infrastructure. And I watch this space as the
37:44
Speaker 1: rhetoric builds for what might be called a false flag attack.
37:48
Speaker 1: Very briefly, Patrick, what are your thoughts on this side
37:51
Speaker 1: of the I.
37:52
Speaker 3: Mean, are you insinuating Charles that a Western government might
37:55
Speaker 3: click up a weapons of mass destruction plot in order
37:58
Speaker 3: to give a pretext or another military active aggression.
38:02
Speaker 1: Yes, I think it's probably stronger than an insinuation. Actually,
38:05
Speaker 1: I think that's exactly what I'm doing, and I think
38:08
Speaker 1: we will wait to see. Obviously, we've got the aircraft carrier,
38:12
Speaker 1: the Nimitz, let's say, a vulnerable position as well. So
38:16
Speaker 1: where any of these things are going to happen or
38:18
Speaker 1: could happen remains to be seen, but it's a possibility,
38:21
Speaker 1: I think.
38:22
Speaker 2: Yeah.
38:22
Speaker 3: And the kidnapping plot, I mean, this is just there's
38:25
Speaker 3: been so many of these over the years, but the
38:28
Speaker 3: fact that they're trying to elevate these to sort of
38:30
Speaker 3: like national security like five star threat level is just
38:34
Speaker 3: kind of beyond the pale. But in a way, it's
38:36
Speaker 3: an act of desperation. But where's it's going to end.
38:39
Speaker 3: Are we going to have a Russia style hysterical moment
38:42
Speaker 3: in the West but with Iran, like everything Iranian or
38:46
Speaker 3: linked to Iran or you know, Iranian restaurants, the food
38:49
Speaker 3: is suspect. That's how it was during Russia game.
38:52
Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely neither. I think we should expect all of
38:54
Speaker 1: that and more. But anyway, in so far as nevarious
38:58
Speaker 1: dealings with media reporting, is going to say, and we're
39:00
Speaker 1: going to go up now over to Northern Ireland to
39:03
Speaker 1: hear from Mike about what BBC has been putting out
39:06
Speaker 1: and this time in relation to air turbulence.
39:10
Speaker 13: Thank you, Charles, and welcome to sunny Northern Ireland. I'm
39:14
Speaker 13: just going to cover one very short topic today and
39:16
Speaker 13: that is a BBC article. This is the second time
39:20
Speaker 13: that I'm aware of that they've done this thing. So
39:24
Speaker 13: let's just have a look at this. This is the
39:26
Speaker 13: article they published why plane turbulence is really becoming more
39:31
Speaker 13: frequent and more severe. So in the headline they're absolutely
39:34
Speaker 13: clear that plain turbulence much more common, much more severe
39:40
Speaker 13: than it's ever been in the past. And they put
39:42
Speaker 13: a graph on here, and you'll notice that the headline
39:46
Speaker 13: of the graph is turbulence related passenger plane accidents in
39:50
Speaker 13: the US two and nine to twenty eighteen. Now, the
39:54
Speaker 13: definition of an accident with respect to turbulence is when
39:57
Speaker 13: somebody is injured in some way. So that might be
39:59
Speaker 13: because they've flown out of their seat and hit a
40:03
Speaker 13: luggage bin, for example, or have fallen while they've been
40:07
Speaker 13: walking up the isle or whatever. So that's the definition
40:11
Speaker 13: of accident. It doesn't mean that an aircraft has crashed
40:13
Speaker 13: at all. But if you look at the graph there,
40:16
Speaker 13: you'll see first of all that they aren't listing years
40:19
Speaker 13: at all. They're listing months, So that isn't from two
40:23
Speaker 13: thousand and nine to twenty eighteen apparently, And well they
40:28
Speaker 13: claim that this information is from the NTSB. But if
40:31
Speaker 13: we look in the article itself, and this is kind
40:35
Speaker 13: of indicative of the language that they're using. We can
40:39
Speaker 13: expect maybe in the future. Perhaps this is based on models,
40:44
Speaker 13: it's based on assessments by so called experts and so on,
40:48
Speaker 13: and they say, if turbulence does get more intense. So
40:53
Speaker 13: this is not definitive. The headline suggests that it is,
40:57
Speaker 13: but actually the article is very very clear that it isn't.
41:00
Speaker 13: So at the very least, the headline is a lie.
41:04
Speaker 13: The graph is perhaps a lie, certainly in the way
41:07
Speaker 13: that it's presented. So let's just remind ourselves of what
41:11
Speaker 13: the NTSB, this is the National Transportation Safety Board in
41:15
Speaker 13: the United States, says about turbulence in this As you'll
41:20
Speaker 13: see there, we've labeled as UKC verify because this article
41:26
Speaker 13: or this report is called Preventing Turbulence Related in Injuries
41:30
Speaker 13: in Air Carrier Operations Conducted under Title fourteen Code of
41:34
Speaker 13: Federal Regulation is Part one twenty one. And if we
41:37
Speaker 13: look at the graph that they produce there, well, the
41:41
Speaker 13: dark blue line at the bottom is the one which
41:45
Speaker 13: is referred to as accidents with respect to turbulence, and
41:49
Speaker 13: you can see that line since in fact nineteen eighty
41:54
Speaker 13: nine there is pretty much flat right the way across
41:57
Speaker 13: there's been no increase in it of turbulence related accidents.
42:03
Speaker 13: That's despite, as the BBC says in their article, the
42:07
Speaker 13: increase in air travel and the much more likely potential
42:13
Speaker 13: for coming across turbulence just by the fact that people
42:18
Speaker 13: are flying much more often.
42:19
Speaker 11: So that's it.
42:20
Speaker 13: I just couldn't let that particular report pass even though
42:24
Speaker 13: I'm over in Northern Ireland today.
42:26
Speaker 11: So that's that's that for now.
42:28
Speaker 1: Back to you, Charles, Thanks very much, Mike, And indeed,
42:33
Speaker 1: nor should it be let to pass by unquestioned, unscrutinized,
42:37
Speaker 1: and on the subject of propaganda.
42:39
Speaker 3: And I'm disappointed in the findings of that report, Charles.
42:44
Speaker 3: I thought it was going to be climate change.
42:46
Speaker 1: Well Patrick, you know, let's just wait.
42:48
Speaker 7: I mean.
42:50
Speaker 2: I feel empty inside right now.
42:52
Speaker 1: Yeah, let's see. On the subject of propaganda, what's been
42:57
Speaker 1: happening in Slovakia.
42:59
Speaker 3: Well, there's another organization and NGNGO that might sound familiar
43:03
Speaker 3: if you've been watching the UK column news. We'll bring
43:06
Speaker 3: this up on screen here, the ZINC network. What are
43:08
Speaker 3: they up to? British propaganda machine and its influence pedaling
43:12
Speaker 3: in Slovakia's elections? Well, declassified UK did a very good
43:17
Speaker 3: investigative report on Zinc's role in hiring and paying influencers
43:22
Speaker 3: to defame and try to influence and also to kind
43:25
Speaker 3: of derail the campaign of Robert Fiso, this Slovakian leader.
43:30
Speaker 3: Obviously he's against the war in Ukraine. That's always going
43:33
Speaker 3: to put him on the bad list as far as
43:36
Speaker 3: Western NATO goes. But yeah, ZINC, as Mike Rumson and
43:39
Speaker 3: others are pointed out, well, if you look at the
43:41
Speaker 3: funding from the FCO and so forth, it's a very
43:45
Speaker 3: well funded organization and this is what they get up
43:47
Speaker 3: to with the money. Surprise, surprise. So that's something to
43:52
Speaker 3: look at. And then just over to quickly to the
43:56
Speaker 3: economic topic here. Donald Trump is a continue need to
44:00
Speaker 3: weaponize terraffs. Okay, he's now threatening the Bricks countries. He's
44:05
Speaker 3: accusing them of enacting an anti US agenda.
44:09
Speaker 2: So this is a bit like a vicious cycle for
44:11
Speaker 2: the US here.
44:12
Speaker 3: I mean, the reason there is a Bricks is because
44:15
Speaker 3: of US sanctions and Donald Trump is again continuing to
44:18
Speaker 3: use tariffs as sanctions, and so this problem is just
44:23
Speaker 3: going to get worse and worse. And I don't really
44:25
Speaker 3: know if there's an exit door for this administration on
44:28
Speaker 3: this issue. But they don't seem to have anything else
44:30
Speaker 3: in the toolbox, so it's not looking good.
44:33
Speaker 1: No, And I suppose, you know, we just wait for
44:35
Speaker 1: the next installment because it'll all change in a few minutes,
44:39
Speaker 1: presumably possibly and by the time we've finished the program.
44:41
Speaker 1: Now sticking in the United States, we're going to go
44:43
Speaker 1: across to Mark because one of the reasons, or at
44:46
Speaker 1: least perhaps the main reason that the COVID vaccines in
44:50
Speaker 1: particular will rolled out quite so widely with gay abandon
44:54
Speaker 1: was because there was a state of indemnity for all
44:56
Speaker 1: the manufacturers. And Thomas Massey is trying to deal with
45:01
Speaker 1: this in the United States.
45:03
Speaker 2: Mark, what is actually is happening?
45:06
Speaker 10: Well, call this a spotlight on Congress for today. Of course,
45:10
Speaker 10: Ronald Reagan gave protection to big Pharma back in nineteen
45:14
Speaker 10: eighty six with some things that he passed and signed.
45:17
Speaker 10: But Thomas Massey, the gutsy backbencher that still makes his
45:23
Speaker 10: voice heard despite all the pressure on him to shut
45:25
Speaker 10: up and to turntail and run, he's pushing forward now,
45:31
Speaker 10: not really a lone wolf, but he's doing this largely
45:34
Speaker 10: on his own steam. He doesn't have a whole lot
45:36
Speaker 10: of support yet, but this is him announcing the introduction
45:41
Speaker 10: of the PREP Repeal Act. It's noted as HR four
45:44
Speaker 10: three eight eight to repeal sections three nineteen f three
45:48
Speaker 10: and three nineteen f four of the Public Health Service Act.
45:51
Speaker 10: These targeted sections are commonly referred to as the Public
45:57
Speaker 10: Readiness and Emergency Preparedness or PREP Act, and currently provides
46:01
Speaker 10: sweeping liability protections to pharmaceutical companies for pandemic related products.
46:08
Speaker 10: And here's some of the main things that it does.
46:10
Speaker 10: I'll only touch on two. Let's put that up. It
46:13
Speaker 10: fully repeals the liability shields and the compensation fund provisions
46:18
Speaker 10: under this PREP Act. And it restores civil remedy rights,
46:22
Speaker 10: that is, civil remedy right excuse me, under federal and
46:25
Speaker 10: state law for those harmed by pandemic products. So right now,
46:31
Speaker 10: according to Congress dot gov, which is the Library of Congress,
46:36
Speaker 10: the main site for Congress, it doesn't have any co
46:39
Speaker 10: sponsors yet. It was just introduced, but it's important to
46:42
Speaker 10: get this out there. Those overseas need to be aware
46:45
Speaker 10: of it, and American viewers of course need to take
46:48
Speaker 10: action if they're so inclined of Thomas Massey's personal website, well,
46:53
Speaker 10: his official website that is for Congress, is very open
46:56
Speaker 10: to people calling. He has a very open policy, whether
46:59
Speaker 10: it's me or his constituents, and of course non constituents
47:03
Speaker 10: can call. It's not forbidden or anything like that to
47:07
Speaker 10: call and voice their support and to learn more about
47:10
Speaker 10: his call for repeal of the PREP Act. Here's a
47:13
Speaker 10: couple of his most important quotes. He had this to say,
47:17
Speaker 10: and this is interesting. I put emphasis on this. The
47:20
Speaker 10: PREP Act is medical malpractice martial law. Interesting choice of
47:26
Speaker 10: words there. The two thousand and five PREP Act prevents
47:29
Speaker 10: people from holding corporations accountable for the pain and suffering
47:32
Speaker 10: they cause during presidentially declared emergencies. An important caveat there,
47:38
Speaker 10: and moving on from there. One other quote from mister Massey,
47:42
Speaker 10: again I added some emphasis. Americans deserve the right to
47:45
Speaker 10: seek justice when injured by government mandated products. The PREP
47:50
Speaker 10: Repeal Act will restore that right, says the Kentucky Republican
47:55
Speaker 10: District for so he's putting it out there. Very important stuff.
48:00
Speaker 10: Supplements some of the other things going on that I've reported,
48:03
Speaker 10: where even Israel as well as Italy, the United States,
48:07
Speaker 10: the Netherlands, Slovenia and even Iran have signed letters that
48:12
Speaker 10: they're not taking part in the amendments to the International
48:15
Speaker 10: Health Regulations and the actual Pandemic Treaty due to certain
48:19
Speaker 10: elements within the treaty itself, as I've noted, cannot be
48:22
Speaker 10: fully enacted until a little bit less than a year
48:25
Speaker 10: from now because of that, because of those provisions, and
48:29
Speaker 10: that's when the final signatures would be put into that thing,
48:33
Speaker 10: and only then would it be official. So we've got
48:35
Speaker 10: some time on the treaty. The regulations are wrapping up,
48:41
Speaker 10: that is, they're kind of drawing to a close where
48:43
Speaker 10: they're going to be pretty solidified, and yet there's still
48:47
Speaker 10: more and more opposition or questions about the International Health
48:50
Speaker 10: Regulations themselves. So I'll keep following this. It's very important
48:54
Speaker 10: to keep tabs on it over the long haul.
48:56
Speaker 11: So back to you guys, thanks much.
49:00
Speaker 1: It is indeed very important to keep that in mind,
49:03
Speaker 1: and good for Thomas Massey having a goal. There will
49:05
Speaker 1: be monumental corporate pressure pushing about the other way against
49:09
Speaker 1: any efforts to repeal that Act. One would imagine Thomas
49:12
Speaker 1: Massey notable, of course, because he was also behind the
49:14
Speaker 1: Prime Bill, which concerned regulation for slaughter on a small
49:18
Speaker 1: scale for the sort of smaller American farmer, and that
49:21
Speaker 1: leads into a report I'm going to start now about food,
49:25
Speaker 1: because just a couple of weeks ago the government put
49:27
Speaker 1: out abrasive documents about food which are designed to give
49:30
Speaker 1: the impression that there is a central plan to improve
49:34
Speaker 1: the health of the nation at the same times improving
49:36
Speaker 1: economic conditions for food producers and deriving a restored environment
49:41
Speaker 1: from the process. Labour's so called plan for Change is
49:45
Speaker 1: deployed yet again to make it sound like the pursuit
49:48
Speaker 1: or achievement of any of these things is both a
49:50
Speaker 1: novel idea and indeed within the gift of the government
49:54
Speaker 1: to give. Now, this is a crucial point because the
49:56
Speaker 1: good food cycle shown here refers to the quote amazing
50:01
Speaker 1: businesses end quote making this happen. And of course the
50:04
Speaker 1: reality is that the big food and big agricultural businesses
50:07
Speaker 1: are able to drive the agenda, partly due to their
50:10
Speaker 1: corporate strength and not being power, but also because the
50:13
Speaker 1: government schemes, policies and subsidies are all designed to favor
50:17
Speaker 1: them above others. Now, the Food Strategy document put out
50:21
Speaker 1: on the same day makes the same sort of wooly
50:24
Speaker 1: claims suggesting that food security and national security are inextricably linked.
50:29
Speaker 1: Now that may well be the case, but as reported
50:31
Speaker 1: many times, the recent publication of the National Security Strategy,
50:36
Speaker 1: the Strategic Defense Review, as well as last year's Just
50:39
Speaker 1: in Case report for the National Preparedness Commission, demonstrates beyond
50:44
Speaker 1: all reasonable doubt that the UK is not in any
50:47
Speaker 1: way prepared for any of the types of shocks that
50:50
Speaker 1: it describes in any of these documents. Now, before going
50:53
Speaker 1: into more detail, there are two things to point out. Firstly,
50:56
Speaker 1: the term food security, which is banded around all the time,
50:59
Speaker 1: only three times on the Statute Book and never in
51:03
Speaker 1: a binding sense. It's only ever written down as a
51:06
Speaker 1: consideration when evaluating environmental schemes, and I think that makes
51:11
Speaker 1: the priorities here very clear. Secondly, the budget for agriculture
51:16
Speaker 1: in the UK this year, which has been described as
51:18
Speaker 1: the largest ever, is five billion pounds. Now, it would
51:21
Speaker 1: take the National Health Service just ten days to spend
51:24
Speaker 1: this much money, so I think you can decide whether
51:26
Speaker 1: you think the government is actually sincere on this issue.
51:30
Speaker 1: As to the content, it's been pointed out by many,
51:33
Speaker 1: including Farmers Weekly, that this plan does not involve animals,
51:37
Speaker 1: and having read the document, that is really the case.
51:39
Speaker 1: There are precisely zero mentions of dairy or meat, but
51:42
Speaker 1: instead a reshaping of a diet in order that we
51:45
Speaker 1: all eat the same thing, regardless of the vast quantities
51:49
Speaker 1: of evidence suggesting that animals benefit the environment, and of
51:53
Speaker 1: course that animal products are in fact vital for human health.
51:56
Speaker 1: The anti nature agenda is covered on all sides, as
52:00
Speaker 1: evidence by one of the latest emergencies. But to just
52:05
Speaker 1: draw out from the document, they're suggesting that we have
52:10
Speaker 1: the foundations of the economy at heart with this new
52:13
Speaker 1: food strategy, and that our diet should be higher and fruit,
52:16
Speaker 1: vegetables and whole grains, and of course that it supports
52:19
Speaker 1: our net zero commitments. But on the subject of emergencies,
52:24
Speaker 1: we are dealing yet again with blue tang or, at
52:27
Speaker 1: least in this instance, and I've covered it many times,
52:30
Speaker 1: but just a reminder that the restrictions on movement are
52:34
Speaker 1: of course specifically crafted in order to encourage vaccination, even
52:38
Speaker 1: though and as usual, the vaccines in question were given
52:41
Speaker 1: under emergency authorization. And it should also be pointed out
52:45
Speaker 1: that people investing in fake meat grown in laboratories are
52:48
Speaker 1: exactly the same people investing in pharmaceutical products for animals.
52:52
Speaker 1: And further at the volume of these products is that
52:56
Speaker 1: goes to animals far outstrips that to humans. So I
53:00
Speaker 1: mean it's pretty obvious what the direction of travel is now.
53:04
Speaker 1: The other big issue, which of course will not go away,
53:08
Speaker 1: is population. And as recent statistics from THENS suggest, and
53:14
Speaker 1: they are in the estimates, but the natural populations you
53:17
Speaker 1: can see on screen dipping down relatively sharply to the right,
53:22
Speaker 1: whereas the migrant population is surging upwards with an estimated
53:26
Speaker 1: net inflow of nearly seven hundred thousand and four the
53:28
Speaker 1: previous year. So considering these factors, how the land is
53:33
Speaker 1: used could not really be more important. And I cite
53:35
Speaker 1: here the consultation live at the moment called Multifunctional Land Use,
53:42
Speaker 1: and they say that there's going to be a document
53:44
Speaker 1: produced from this consultation in October of this year. They
53:47
Speaker 1: cite the Royal Society's twenty twenty three Multifunctional Land Use
53:52
Speaker 1: Document which reckons on quote an additional four point four
53:58
Speaker 1: million hectares of land, which is eighteen percent of the
54:01
Speaker 1: total land mass of the UK, being needed to deliver
54:05
Speaker 1: net zero biodiversity and development objectives by twenty fifty, so
54:11
Speaker 1: we were about to chime in with it.
54:12
Speaker 3: Well, I'm just going to ask you, Charles, with this
54:14
Speaker 3: few security agenda, how does that square with paying farmers
54:18
Speaker 3: not to grow food in the rewilding schemes of the
54:20
Speaker 3: government has been undertaking for what the last decade? How
54:23
Speaker 3: do those two things?
54:25
Speaker 1: Well, I mean, neither you nor I works for the government,
54:29
Speaker 1: so we couldn't possibly comprehend such a thing exactly. This
54:32
Speaker 1: is the central question. And to qualify exactly what you're
54:36
Speaker 1: asking and what people will be thinking. What's called the
54:39
Speaker 1: utilized agricultural area in the UK is just under seventeen
54:42
Speaker 1: million hectares and so the cropable what's described as the
54:46
Speaker 1: croppable area of that is around six million hectares. I've
54:50
Speaker 1: just had that confirmed by death of this morning, and
54:53
Speaker 1: the area covered by arable crops from last year statistics
54:58
Speaker 1: is not quite as large as the society is suggesting.
55:01
Speaker 1: And don't forget that the word they use was additional.
55:04
Speaker 1: So basically what they're saying is that there will be
55:07
Speaker 1: worth this to be rolled out and were croppable area
55:10
Speaker 1: to be used, which I know is a hypothetical that
55:12
Speaker 1: would leave precisely no land left upon which to produce
55:17
Speaker 1: crops in the way that they are now. Now, I
55:19
Speaker 1: don't mean that to sound alarmist, of course, but of
55:23
Speaker 1: course worth pointing out also that DEFRA has delayed the
55:26
Speaker 1: publication of this year statistics on land use. But last
55:29
Speaker 1: year there was a one hundred and seven percent increase
55:31
Speaker 1: in uncropped arable land as a direct result of the
55:35
Speaker 1: unlimited offering from the Sustainable Farming incentive. So it could
55:39
Speaker 1: well turn out to be the case that a lot
55:40
Speaker 1: less land is actually in production this year. Now the
55:45
Speaker 1: answer for the countryside, as far as government appears to
55:49
Speaker 1: be concerned, is to destroy it. And to pick out
55:52
Speaker 1: one example, we'll look at the way in which lithium
55:55
Speaker 1: battery technology has been deployed across the country. This is
55:59
Speaker 1: the mapping from the Department of Energy Security and net zero.
56:03
Speaker 1: And first we're looking at the figures as they were
56:06
Speaker 1: from nineteen ninety with no developments in existence. Now they're
56:10
Speaker 1: deemed hazardous by virtue of the fact they're unproven and
56:14
Speaker 1: in the event of fire or an explosion nothing be
56:16
Speaker 1: done to mitigate, leading to real environmental catastrophe. But this
56:20
Speaker 1: is what the map now looks like today, and indeed
56:23
Speaker 1: the last image includes the proposed sites. If you're unable
56:27
Speaker 1: to see the screen, I've got a map of the
56:28
Speaker 1: UK with hotspots shown all over the place, with only
56:33
Speaker 1: exceptions really for mid Wales, the Highlands of Scotland and
56:35
Speaker 1: the Pennine area. So to reinforce the point about the
56:39
Speaker 1: sheer recklessness of doing this, I would point to the
56:42
Speaker 1: recent statement from Matson Shipping, a large logistics company based
56:46
Speaker 1: in Hawaii, which has said in a statement that due
56:50
Speaker 1: to increasing concern for the safety of transporting vehicles powered
56:55
Speaker 1: by large lithium ion batteries, Mattson is suspending acceptance of
56:59
Speaker 1: US or new electric vehicles and plug in hybrid vehicles
57:03
Speaker 1: for transport aboard its vessels. Now that's the end of
57:07
Speaker 1: the quote. From that statement, I would say this really
57:09
Speaker 1: can't be brushed off. It's not a conspiracy theory, and
57:13
Speaker 1: this is at a time when, as reported on Wednesday,
57:17
Speaker 1: the government is now spending your money to subsidize the
57:21
Speaker 1: purchase of those very vehicles. So there's loads more to
57:25
Speaker 1: go into in terms of detail, and of course we
57:28
Speaker 1: set it alongside the NHS statistic, sorry, the ownes statistics
57:32
Speaker 1: that nearly seven thousand farming businesses are reported to have
57:36
Speaker 1: closed down in the year that we're currently.
57:39
Speaker 2: In on that blue tongue issue.
57:41
Speaker 3: Yeah, I was speaking with an organic farmer local in
57:44
Speaker 3: Devon that specializes in livestock and they try to stay organic,
57:49
Speaker 3: but if the government says there's blue tongue in the area,
57:52
Speaker 3: they have to vaccinate their animals otherwise they get the
57:56
Speaker 3: risk of being shut down exactly. So that's what's actually
58:00
Speaker 3: happening behind the scenes. So even though they want to
58:02
Speaker 3: stay organic and they don't vaccinate their animals, the blue
58:05
Speaker 3: tongue scare has opened the door for government to lean on.
58:10
Speaker 3: And obviously I don't want to say the name of
58:12
Speaker 3: the final but this is the conversation that's happening down
58:16
Speaker 3: the country side.
58:17
Speaker 1: No, the pressure is intense and it is in effect
58:19
Speaker 1: they're roiling out exactly what they tried to do with
58:21
Speaker 1: human beings during the COVID period, which was to say
58:25
Speaker 1: that there can be free movement on the condition that
58:27
Speaker 1: everybody has received a pharmaceutical product. It is exactly what
58:31
Speaker 1: they've done so that the blue tongue restriction zone has
58:34
Speaker 1: been expanded to cover the whole of the UK, which
58:36
Speaker 1: means that free movement has in effect been granted. But
58:39
Speaker 1: under those very conditions. Absolutely right now, what I would
58:42
Speaker 1: say in terms of as a member of the audience,
58:46
Speaker 1: your relationship and with regard to food and all the
58:50
Speaker 1: rest of it, is that the farming section on the
58:52
Speaker 1: UK column website is absolutely full of interviews with people
58:55
Speaker 1: who have a vision, but that's founded on reality and
58:58
Speaker 1: a way to achieve what the pretends to be doing,
59:02
Speaker 1: but without destroying anything in the process. So that concludes
59:05
Speaker 1: the food report for today, and we're are going to
59:09
Speaker 1: go back to Mark because you're going to tell us
59:13
Speaker 1: about what's been going on in terms of mass media
59:16
Speaker 1: power and sort of further consolidation and how that presents
59:19
Speaker 1: a threat to all the smaller players.
59:23
Speaker 10: Yes, time is tight, so I might make this kind
59:27
Speaker 10: of a cliffhanger, but Sun Valley, Idaho each year is
59:31
Speaker 10: where the Builderberg Junior you might say, confab takes place.
59:36
Speaker 10: I have a slide from one of the more gossiping
59:39
Speaker 10: news organizations. In fact, the gossip news organizations provide the
59:43
Speaker 10: main coverage and ironically often do a better job than
59:46
Speaker 10: what any mainstream media coverage might come along this one
59:52
Speaker 10: from deadline day to July ninth, right when Sun Valley
59:56
Speaker 10: was taking place. Touching down in sun Valley, can moguls
59:59
Speaker 10: find answers to media's pressing questions amid the Ponderosa Pines
1:00:03
Speaker 10: that shows Warner brother discovers David zaslov In, Disney's Bob Eiger,
1:00:07
Speaker 10: Disney owns ABC. Of course they're arrived in there.
1:00:10
Speaker 11: Now. What's interesting is in the next slide.
1:00:13
Speaker 10: And like I say, I'll probably have kind of a
1:00:15
Speaker 10: cliffhanger that we can talk about in extra. But what
1:00:19
Speaker 10: happened at sun Valley twenty twenty five by Fast Company
1:00:23
Speaker 10: and another sort of gossip rag of fourteen July, as
1:00:27
Speaker 10: this thing was really kicking into high gear a likely
1:00:30
Speaker 10: acquisition of The Free Press, an online media source by
1:00:34
Speaker 10: sky Dance Media and David Ellison whose Sky Dances CEO
1:00:40
Speaker 10: David Ellison, and yes he is the son of Oracles
1:00:43
Speaker 10: Larry Ellison. He attended Sun Valley along alongside Miss Barry Weiss.
1:00:50
Speaker 10: That's a lady, Miss Barry Weiss, who's a center left
1:00:53
Speaker 10: pro Israel Free Press co founder. But The New York
1:00:56
Speaker 10: Times learned that if sky Dance purchases the Free Press
1:01:00
Speaker 10: US and Skydance wants to purchase Paramount, which owns CBS
1:01:06
Speaker 10: in a huge deal eight billion dollars. So there's two
1:01:08
Speaker 10: purchases going on. And yet The Times is saying that
1:01:12
Speaker 10: if Skydance purchases the Free Press as well as Paramount,
1:01:17
Speaker 10: then mis Weiss could take a major role in shaping
1:01:21
Speaker 10: the CBS news editorial direction. And she's very pro Israel,
1:01:25
Speaker 10: very interesting there. So that's some of the goings on.
1:01:29
Speaker 10: There's another kind of juicy item. I'll save that for
1:01:31
Speaker 10: extra in the interest of time, by having to do
1:01:34
Speaker 10: with more details about sky Dance buying Paramount which owns
1:01:38
Speaker 10: CBS and some of the machinations there. So that should
1:01:41
Speaker 10: do for now.
1:01:44
Speaker 1: Thanks very much, Mark, And a rare cliffhanger there for
1:01:47
Speaker 1: the UK column audience, so look forward to that extra.
1:01:49
Speaker 1: Now we'll just go close out the program by looking
1:01:51
Speaker 1: at what's going on in the Civil Service, because the
1:01:53
Speaker 1: BBC have announced that they are going to be looking
1:01:56
Speaker 1: at working class people for inter However, exactly the BBC
1:02:01
Speaker 1: or and do the Civil Service describe such thing? This
1:02:03
Speaker 1: seems to come from the twenty sixteen document Socioeconomic Diversity
1:02:08
Speaker 1: in the fast stream. So I thought we would go
1:02:10
Speaker 1: to a place where we can wind the clock back
1:02:12
Speaker 1: a little bit as to exactly what the purpose of
1:02:15
Speaker 1: a civil servant really is or should be.
1:02:21
Speaker 11: What makes me feel rather downcast.
1:02:23
Speaker 14: If it's our job to carry out government policies, shouldn't
1:02:26
Speaker 14: we believe in them?
1:02:28
Speaker 2: What an extraordinary idea?
1:02:31
Speaker 14: Why Bernard, I have served eleven governments in the past
1:02:37
Speaker 14: thirty years. If I'd lead in all their policies, I
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Speaker 14: would have been passionately committed to keeping out of the
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Speaker 14: common market and passionately committed to going into it. I
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Speaker 14: would have been utterly convinced of the rightness of nationalizing
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Speaker 14: steel and of denationalizing it and renationalizing it in capital punishment.
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Speaker 14: I'd have been a fervent retentionist and an EPU. I
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Speaker 14: would have been a Knesian and a freedom of Night,
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Speaker 14: a grammar school preserver and destroyer, a nationalization freak, and
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Speaker 14: a privatization maniac. But above all, I would have been
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Speaker 14: a stark, starring, raving schizophrenic.
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Speaker 1: So I don't know that it necessarily matters which socioeconomic
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Speaker 1: group you believe you belong to, But that's a good
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Speaker 1: note to end on I think so very many thanks
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Speaker 1: to Mark and to Mike for joining us on the
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Speaker 1: live link, and indeed for Patrick joining me in the studio.
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Speaker 1: Thanks very much, and please do make sure that you
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