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You've been mapped · United We Scan

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  Now, here are the host of The United, We scan podcast.
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  Welcome back, everybody. I am actually here.
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  Today, we are what episode, 24, Mike is on vacation.
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  So, we wish him well and safe travels.
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  When he does come home from Hawaii, and how you doing this
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  week, Josh, I am doing pretty good.
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  Yep, finally got the new car My wife says except like the
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  console and couple years not being in the right spots, quote
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  unquote, she's loving it. So I guess that's making me a
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  happy camper. be a happy camper to, I still have to wait until
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  this next couple days to find out what's going on with my car
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  James house this week treated you Oh, loads of fun.
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  Loads of fun dealing with people upset and trying to figure out
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  this dispute form and all the other things that need to go
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  along with it and it's just been a fun fun week over all other
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  than that, Ralph been pretty easy.
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  Had a couple of very, very short days of mail which is a little
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  unnerving but otherwise, it's been pretty good.
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  I can hear you. It was light all week in my
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  office. I think some of that I heard was
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  Because of that mercury, spill in Lake.
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  I think they ended up having to close down.
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  Part of the plant, is what I heard through the grapevine.
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  Yeah, it was a mercury spill. Yes.
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  Yes. So, and it's actually one of my
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  friend's dad's who ordered a bunch of old blood pressure,
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  cuffs and they broke in transit. That's what it was.
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  All right? Yeah.
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  So they closed that down and it was going to the lake post
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  office and they close that one down because it was in their
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  stuff. Yes.
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  And yeah, it was on the news. So anybody wants to read up on
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  that, I know 9:00 and 10:00 news out of Northern Michigan.
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  Had some of that info on there and Bill.
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  How was your week, dear? Oh, it's lovely.
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  Our supervisor was on vacation. We were short of Clerks.
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  We were short of We were short of alcohol.
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  No, we're never short of back or I'm sorry that's a, that's a
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  falsity short tempers, but, you know, other than that, you know,
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  good weather and moderate male lots of parcels and my Amazon
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  drivers must be on vacation because I have two or three
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  across every day and they were nowhere to be seen.
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  We took the full brunt of it for the whole week.
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  Yeah. Sounds like I know my week
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  Monday was kind of heavy. I was on the 47k, the biggest
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  route in the office Monday through Thursday and Monday.
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  I did it right at evaluation but Tuesday Wednesday and Thursday.
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  I was I did have to run the double on Wednesday Tuesday one
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  of those days. Anyways but I was running it in
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  just under five to five and a half hours.
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  So yeah I get it. It was actually kind of nice.
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  But it's definitely been an interesting week.
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  My postmasters been out. My supervisor was out, we've had
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  our former supervisor, oh, I seeing and our 2004 be at the
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  desk, but that it was a pretty light week for us.
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  Anyways, I think tonight, we were going to touch on this new
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  dispute process that they finally release and it dig into
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  some mapping DPM LTM stuff. And at the end I know we have a
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  few listener, comments and questions, that will be touching
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  on. So do we want to start off with
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  this dispute form process tough guys.
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  We can do that. The reason why we're doing a
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  dispute form instead of Grievances and stuff like that
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  is the first step in any issue with post office that you have
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  is to talk it out with management.
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  And because your manager doesn't have the ability to fix this at
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  the office level, they needed something that they could use.
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  To move it up to where it could be fixed, which is at the
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  national level and the district level.
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  So we have to do a dispute form. It management can either agree
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  or disagree with whatever it goes with that can move up the
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  chain. And this is a standardized form
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  for everybody to use to get it to that point.
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  And remember I'm that form. It is one dispute per sheet, so
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  if you have multiple Puetz from your 4241 A's and Adams.
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  Each dispute is on a separate sheet and it's actually a really
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  simple process. You know, it's only for this
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  dispute forms only for issues with your 4241, a but you also
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  can use your 42 41 m in the process of disputing the
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  problems with your 4241. A and of course, they did put
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  out an mou and if you don't have access to it, talk to your
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  designated local union representative.
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  To get it or one of your colleagues that work is part of
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  the Union, if you're a non dues-paying member so you can
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  get a copy of the mou because it's on the inner LCA website
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  and disputes need to be turned in by the 31st.
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  Yes. The end of this month so you
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  don't have a lot of time but hopefully have enough a week
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  from Wednesday. So Wednesday May 31st.
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  So making sure I was looking at the right month there.
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  And there are some things you can dispute that are aside from
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  your 4241 a other than errors in the fields themselves and that
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  is your office. Walk distance is you're supposed
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  to have measured those with your postmaster or designated
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  supervisor. To be able to measure how far it
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  is to each location. You can dispute the route
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  length, if it's lower than what you're certified, odometer said
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  you can argue that because it still says in our contract that
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  our routes are to be measured with a certified odometer.
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  This LTM mapping is only digital and it may be wrong.
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  So you can always ask for a certified.
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  Odometer to measure your route. you can argue the number of
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  boxes active or total You can argue your daily Dismounts.
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  Dismount distances. If your manager did not go out
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  with you to measure your Dismount, distance is on your
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  route or didn't ask you to measure your distances on your
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  route, your daily activities. Your miscellaneous time.
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  And your option election. If you had 10 years in at the
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  post office, you could choose High option.
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  And if they didn't give you the high option that you asked for,
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  you can dispute that. Now, some of these things they
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  can adjust at the office. That would be like your Dismount
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  distances, your office walk distances that sort of stuff.
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  That's why they want the dispute process to start with talking
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  with your manager when you have these disputes because some of
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  these connection, we be changed within the office but not
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  everything. Bill question for you.
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  How do we get information for our dispute with the 4241 A's?
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  Where do we get that from your supervisor?
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  Yeah, you can ask for your Parcel tracking report the radar
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  reports or your end of run your dealer.
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  Your Rex MDD, scan review. Hmm, your LTM print out.
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  Out and rims. So that's been the hot debate
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  I've seen on the social webs as rims reports because there are
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  numerous rims reports So, yeah, that one's a big one, but we
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  also have a manager. Yes, and if management is
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  failing to print those out for you upon request, there is a
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  forum for that. File.
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  Another reason and supposedly your manager has access to all
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  this information. Supposedly, How do we fill this
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  out, guys? We want to help us fill these
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  out. So what you're going to do is
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  you're going to have a dispute form for each error on your 4241
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  a whether it's your DPS is low your collection boxes collection
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  apartments or missing things like that.
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  Each one needs a separate form for each slot on your 4241.
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  A that you believe is missing. The first thing you're going to
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  do is fill out the date. Your name, your route.
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  Number be if effective evaluation date which is the
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  six. And you zip code.
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  That's right. At the top of the form, your
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  manager, whoever working with you on this is going to fill out
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  their name, their position, the finance number for the office
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  things like that. Then in the first in dispute you
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  would write which box you're disputing.
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  For instance, if your radar report has a lot of zeros in it
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  for DPS, when you should have had a normal amount then you
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  would put in dispute, DPS letters carriers reason for
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  dispute radar report and end of run reports show multiple lines
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  of zero DPS when DPS was received each day.
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  Therefore, the value in this slot is artificially low. oh,
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  another example I would have is if you have a 0 in one of your
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  slides like blue box collections that would be in your in dispute
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  and you would right I'm missing two blue boxes that are on my
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  route that could that could also be included in your daily
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  discounts as well. The biggest one that a lot of
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  people don't see and don't look, for is the withdrawal status in
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  the lower right corner. If you are a withdrawal office,
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  and means you go and get your DPS, you go and get your hot
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  case, you go and get your Flats. Any of those, any one of those,
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  you are a withdrawal office. That should be a why if it's not
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  a why and you're doing withdrawal, you can dispute
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  that. Any other?
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  Yeah, any entry that is a zero or questionable in any data
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  field that would otherwise you would expect to have a credit.
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  You can dispute those. So I don't really that's the
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  thing as is nobody, my office is going to dispute anything.
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  At this point, one of them may dispute the route length.
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  That's really his only biggest one right now because it's well,
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  when I first got on that route was 98 miles.
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  They did a fish. I'm gonna are quote, official
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  remeasure and we lost five miles.
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  It was 93 miles. And then when we, First did the
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  mapping for the route and and everything.
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  It was down to 91 Point 83 miles.
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  The only reason he's hesitating at this point on that, it's
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  because he did add a new box when area that will we haven't
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  traveled down in a long time, but there was already male
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  established in the past so he had them put the new box for
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  that new build up at the end of the road, so that did not give
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  up to ninety. Two point, three eight miles.
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  92.3 5. But yeah.
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  But those of you that had huge huge losses, I would definitely
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  be double checking and going through those just to double
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  verify. I mean a lot of losses that we
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  had like I said automatically was the Box Factor loss and the
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  drive speed Matrix. I know that was the big one on
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  my POV route. Just those two alone is what hit
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  that route hard. Only lost three hours but still
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  it was all do no thumb lost volume over time of 2018 we've
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  explained that in previous episode.
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  So there are some people that even though they lost a big ton
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  of their route may have legitimately lost that amount on
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  their route but check your 4241 A's Check and make sure your
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  4241 Elms, have everything that's supposed to be on them
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  because the union, put out, how to decipher your 4241, a, and
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  how it matches with your 4241 M. So, if there's a value that's
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  wrong in your 40 to 41, M, you can dispute that slot or slots
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  on your 4241. A To get that corrected.
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  All right, so we're kind of going to dive into some mapping
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  here guys. I know CB use and mapping.
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  I'm just going to say aye. I worked with my carriers this
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  past week since I had some shorter days due to the heat low
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  mail volume. And so we were able to update
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  get some updates, done a little out of the time frame but needed
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  to be done. So we are able to do it and I
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  will tell you right now, if your manager tells you, You that they
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  did your mapping, it'll hold it. If your District rep ASAP
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  because roic tried to take it upon herself to add some boxes,
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  where she thought they needed to go on the mapping and I had to
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  fix them. When one particular, we have two
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  routes and this one area where you have one row, you have two
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  roads that run perpendicular to each other.
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  And or parallel again, right? I don't know.
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  Anyways, they're the exact same road name.
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  Only one is West. And one is not, and when she
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  went to go add this box to the one route, she actually put it
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  on the other route in the mapping.
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  I was like, where is this? No, no, that's not even the
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  right route. So um know if management has
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  done your mapping and they're not letting you do any updates,
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  you need to contact your Dr, right away.
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  That is incorrect, carrier. Should be sitting down with the
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  facilitator to do the mapping. On that note, we'll start with
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  the D p.m. the delivery point management.
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  When you are mapping your delivery point management?
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  Yes, your breadcrumbs will place a lot of things already on
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  there. However, they're not always in a
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  correct spot. Oh yeah, thanks Josh.
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  Perpendicular crosses. So they run parallel.
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  Okay? Ha ha.
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  Anyways, back up to DPM. Oh, you're going to make sure
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  those mailboxes are in the right spot.
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  You're going to mark your part point, which is the purple.
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  And you're going to Mark the yellow door as to where you
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  deliver that package. So if you're delivering that Age
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  on a daily basis, to the front door where they want it.
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  That's where you go to market, if you drop it off at the garage
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  because that's where they want their stuff dropped off.
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  That's where you're going to point a door, if they have a
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  tote to put out somewhere, and that's where they want packages
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  dropped. That's where you're going to
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  Mark. Is to the door.
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  And you're going to do that in your mail.
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  Stop and mailbox are normally one in the same.
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  Green one is your mailbox. The blue with a little truck is
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  your mail stop. Those are normally one in the
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  same. The difference with those are if
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  you have BB use centralized boxes, hardship boxes, And I
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  think that's the three different ones, correct?
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  James. Where your, where your part,
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  where your mail stop and your mailbox may be in different
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  locations correct? Also you're all wrong.
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  Yes. Yes yeah.
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  Businesses and schools and things like that.
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  Where you have to get out of the truck to deliver the mail and
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  into the building itself, which in the DPM, or at a book would
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  be under other. Oh, yeah.
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  Going by those three things, it would be Central centralized.
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  See. BU and other Yep. and, The big
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  point to all of this is your mail stop where you deliver the
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  mail to the mailbox, then measures to your Park point on
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  the drive speed Matrix. as out of Route miles, And then, your
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  delivery to the door is a straight line from your Park
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  point to the door, and that's your out of Route footage on
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  your map, on your 4241. So, make sure you're as accurate
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  as possible. For instance, they talked about
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  getting out for businesses. I'll have an example.
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  We have a business on a route here that has a mailbox, but
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  their park point is up by the building, so we can go in and
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  deliver Parcels to them. You put the park point, where
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  you park the truck normally and then you put the door delivery
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  where you deliver it in the building.
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  If you can remember it from Sky View approximately.
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  So if you go into the building and drop it off at the, for
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  instance, of a car dealership, you drop it off as the cashier
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  desk in the back by the service department, which is where they
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  want you to drop it off, you would mark it at the back
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  cashier desk. So, you get that footage.
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  You don't want to just at the door and then put the front door
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  right? At that door where you park
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  because you're going to be walking further than you're
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  actually getting paid for and that would go the same for
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  apartment complexes condos. Any multi-unit building.
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  If you are going in that building to deliver a package,
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  you kind of want to place those doors and a relative area that
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  it's going to be. Unfortunately they don't Don't
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  do vertical measurements. For those of us that may have to
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  climb some stairs here and there, but you kind of want to
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  get it at least in that right area on top of the building.
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  Thanks for pointing that out because a lot of people don't
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  realize that, you know, they don't recognize stairs.
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  Yeah, they don't. Unfortunately, my wife, my walk
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  does. But the post office doesn't
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  exactly my knees recognize it. But yeah, I'm trying to think.
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  Also, when you are doing such relies Dorsey, Use.
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  You are going to each key turn is going to be a mailbox,
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  grouping all of your boxes that are in within that unit.
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  Whether it's a CPU or centralized perky turn.
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  So when you have put that key in that one box.
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  So if you're in a like apartment complex and you've got apartment
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  1 through 16 in one box and you're going to do your mailbox
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  grouping as 1 through 16. And then if you've got more than
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  one unit then, you know, Seventeen through, twenty nine
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  or whatever. The next one is, you know,
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  that's what you're going to do there.
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  But and then when you're done with that, you're going to do
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  all in. If that's one stop one Dismount,
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  then you're going to take from that first one to that.
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  Last one, and that's all going to be under your mail, stop
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  grouping. And again, make sure you're
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  marking your Park point, where you park your truck every day to
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  deliver that mail or approximation.
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  If you if unfortunately that parking spot taken by somebody
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  who doesn't see the sign thing US?
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  Postal Service. Only then also marks where that
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  Mark, where's that CB you is in that building?
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  Even though, you're even though you're going to actually measure
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  that distance, make sure you mark where that CD you is in
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  that building. So that way they could say, well
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  you wrote down 150 feet but our mapping only shows 30 feet from
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  where you park the truck to where the mailboxes supposedly
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  located. Don't don't put yourself into a
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  headache, like that, and do, remember that CB use are
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  Standalone units in centralized would be built into like a wall
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  or a building. I have one route that has the
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  old apartment centralized boxes, where you put the key in and you
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  kind of pull the thing down and it's got the long little slots
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  up on top. Um, that would be centralized
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  and then the Standalone units, they usually have their own
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  little pedestals. Those would be your CB, you
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  shoes. And I see. when you go in, after
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  you've done all the mapping and you have to go in and do your
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  Dismounts, if there is not footage.
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  So on one route, we have Quite a few CB use that we can actually
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  pull up to in service, right from the truck, there has to be
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  a value in every box. So if you don't actually have a
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  Dismount you and you can pull right up to the box and you're
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  going to put zeros now, there's also a spot for collection and
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  parcel lockers So if you have a collection slot in each
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  individual, CB you or your centralized boxes in for that
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  Dismount, you're going to put the total number of collections
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  slots that you have. And then if you have to parcel
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  Lockers in each unit or 1 or 3, if you have for CBU units, and
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  they each have two, parcel Lockers in each of the key turn
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  units, then you're going to put 8 parcel lockers Do you want
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  your total parcel lockers as well as your total collection
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  slots and then your Dismount distance if there is no
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  collection slots or there is no parcel lockers, you're going to
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  put zeros in there because you have to have a value, it will
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  not let you finish it out. If it's just blank.
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  And then also your Dismount distance.
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  There's also a thing for your Dismount distance in there, too.
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  So that's where you would put your Dismount distance.
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  Kristen, I just wanted to put the caveat to what you're saying
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  or about with the for example, the you put the number of slots
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  to like you said if it's extinct 1216, you put those as your
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  first one, then the second one is like 17 to 30, so on and so
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  forth. I believe there is a cap of 24.
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  Thermal X grouping. Right.
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  So in my case at my condos they are the old NBC be use and they
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  are either 27 or 30 for mail slots. so, I had to wear, I have
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  eight actual key turns You know, for the doors, I had to actually
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  break it down to 10. To accommodate that cap.
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  And I have heard though, I don't have experience with it because
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  I don't have any areas in my office that have more than 9.
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  CB, you units? I heard it.
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  There was a cap when you're doing the mail stop as nine
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  units but I don't know. Because I personally don't have
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  experience with that one. Well, because I reached out to
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  because I'm friends with our the world Ops person or whatever the
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  actual title is now, who is the guru in my area, for all things
• 27:23
  Rex and he said, you can You could potentially anchor.
• 27:35
  If you have 1,000 addresses in your edit book, you could
• 27:40
  anchor, the stop point for all thousand.
• 27:43
  Okay. Yo I'm saying, yeah, no, I know
• 27:47
  exactly what you're saying. All the actual delivery point is
• 27:51
  capped at 25. Was it the 24, the mailbox
• 27:56
  grouping, right? So I'm able to Anchor my stop
• 28:02
  point. For all hundred and ninety
• 28:06
  something addresses of the condos.
• 28:10
  Because if you try and have your stop Point match, the each door,
• 28:18
  it requires a minimum of five feet apart.
• 28:22
  Yep, from the park for the stuff point.
• 28:27
  So yeah, so we were 8 you know so the stop you know, my stop
• 28:32
  point where I park and Dismount the vehicle is all 190 but
• 28:38
  because their units of 20:27 mail slots were 34 because it's
• 28:47
  seven down by either four or five across and then you have to
• 28:51
  subtract the one out for where the arrow key OS to actually
• 28:55
  open it up. So I had to reduce them instead
• 28:59
  of 27 or 30 for. I had to I just did 20, 20 20,
• 29:03
  20 20, until whatever the last one, what, you know, 18 or
• 29:09
  whatever, the last one was gotcha.
• 29:13
  All right. So the mailbox groupings on
• 29:14
  Central and CB use is 24 Max. So if you have one of those
• 29:20
  older Units that holds more than 24.
• 29:23
  You will have to split those up a little bit more.
• 29:27
  There's one one more piece to. There are some that have
• 29:32
  Standalone parcel lockers next to their CB use.
• 29:37
  Hmm. Those ones you tie to you can
• 29:42
  either tie them to one ear CPUs or you can break them up between
• 29:47
  the CB use as long as they're attached to that set of see be
• 29:51
  used as part of those distances are usually attached, are
• 29:56
  usually attached it to the one. It's next to so that way you get
• 30:01
  the same Dismount distance with it.
• 30:04
  If you do that. That's that's the one caveat.
• 30:12
  There's another, that's another one that they have there.
• 30:15
  The other one of stand-alone parcel lockers is your Amazon
• 30:21
  parcel lockers, hmm. I we, I've never dealt with
• 30:27
  that. We don't have those so I
• 30:31
  consider those. To be the mail room at the
• 30:38
  place, you go to, okay? And I would put a door marker
• 30:41
  there so when you deliver you technically get credit to the
• 30:45
  door but you're delivering it to that parcel locker and I do
• 30:49
  believe because it's it was a muscular lanius timed event
• 30:53
  because you got codes or something you got to put in,
• 30:57
  okay? Yeah.
• 30:58
  I'm now those are completely out of my knowledge base at all.
• 31:02
  No. No experience.
• 31:04
  I am in a very rural area. Yeah, you should measure measure
• 31:08
  the time, it takes you four, good men, email survey time the
• 31:12
  two weeks that you do it. Everyone that you get to deliver
• 31:15
  to that. Start a stopwatch and then take
• 31:18
  each parcel that you have to deliver to that.
• 31:22
  Parcel of the Amazon. Parcel Locker.
• 31:25
  Then go back to your truck and in the stopwatch.
• 31:28
  So you get the timed event for that under miscellaneous time,
• 31:31
  that should be something that's approved by your Local
• 31:34
  management as a part of your miscellaneous time and it should
• 31:38
  be automatically approved by District because that's what
• 31:41
  they've said on all the paperwork for it. all right, and
• 31:44
  your curbside boxes if they are 5 feet or less a part on
• 31:51
  individual posts, So each there, each mailbox is on its own post
• 31:58
  and it's, they are within five feet of each other.
• 32:01
  That would be a mailbox grouping.
• 32:04
  Now, to mail, stop a mailbox grouping.
• 32:08
  Now, if you have a big long Shelf type thing, post signage
• 32:16
  and you've got several mailboxes that are on this big long line
• 32:20
  and they're all linked together now an individual posts.
• 32:25
  Then that would be a mailbox grouping in mail stop grouping.
• 32:33
  It's include your two boxes on a to post one box on each side of
• 32:37
  the post. This could be a long two by six
• 32:40
  with 20 boxes on it. Yep.
• 32:43
  It would be grouping, both the mail stop and the mailboxes
• 32:48
  whereas if they're individual post it would be male.
• 32:52
  Stop grouping only. Now if you have it where they're
• 32:56
  intermixed, you have several that are on a one post and then
• 33:00
  you have several that are And alone.
• 33:02
  And then another set of post you'd have to group the
• 33:07
  mailboxes that are on each post. But you could group the mail
• 33:13
  stop all together. As one know, you would do the
• 33:16
  mailbox groupings, it would be a mailbox grouping.
• 33:20
  All is 1 and then, the mail stops would be the one grouped
• 33:23
  feelings their shell. It's the mail stops that get
• 33:27
  grouped the mailboxes on the post, get grouped as mailbox.
• 33:32
  Has grouped the mail, stop itself.
• 33:35
  Is that. But once you get outside of the
• 33:39
  five feet, then you can get the creep distance on that.
• 33:43
  Because it's you get creeped distance for every box.
• 33:46
  That's in the mailbox group. Hmm.
• 33:49
  Then you get if you have them in the mailbox set, technically,
• 33:54
  you stop at that but I believe it's still the three boxes to
• 33:58
  creep on that one if I'm not mistaken.
• 34:03
  Somebody can correct me if I'm wrong on that, though.
• 34:08
  Individual post is mailbox grouping.
• 34:13
  All on the same post is the mail stop grouping.
• 34:20
  Well, they're both. It would be under both.
• 34:22
  Excuse me, mailbox and mail stop.
• 34:25
  If they're on the same post whether it's again like that.
• 34:29
  T post or a big long 2x4, I'm just throwing some out there.
• 34:35
  Yeah. If they're on individual posts,
• 34:38
  then they're going to be mailbox group with or within 5 feet and
• 34:40
  it'll flag you within five feet across me in the mail stop being
• 34:44
  together. Yeah, yeah and if you know those
• 34:46
  boxes are not five are further than five feet apart.
• 34:50
  Art. Then you need to go in and move
• 34:52
  those little pins. Just enough the little bit.
• 34:55
  Yeah. To where it will stop doing
• 34:56
  that. You gotta wiggle it.
• 34:59
  Just a little bit supposedly. And I'm trying to think of the
• 35:09
  next one under DPM. If you are a government vehicle,
• 35:15
  you will then be putting your preferred gasps stop in whatever
• 35:21
  gas station that you prefer to go.
• 35:25
  It doesn't necessarily mean you have to go to that one all the
• 35:28
  time, but that is your preferred one.
• 35:31
  When you're going to get measured to for your hundred
• 35:34
  miles or fuel, stop him. So if it's about ninety eight
• 35:39
  point, six miles is what it is. But yeah, who's counting, they
• 35:44
  say honored. So yeah.
• 35:48
  And then If you have an interoffice stop lat lock pouch.
• 35:57
  Oh yeah, you have a lock pouch or interoffice stop.
• 36:02
  You'll put that in there. You'll designate whether it's
• 36:04
  high or low. And then, yes, if you have any
• 36:10
  Blue collection boxes, you will be putting those in as well.
• 36:13
  I don't have any of those on my rule side, so I haven't had to
• 36:16
  worry about that. I'm just going on here.
• 36:21
  This Mount distance on those to measure the Dismount distance,
• 36:25
  almost 2 and yep. And then went under your your
• 36:29
  Dismount tab that's or where you would put your just smoke
• 36:32
  footage, any collection boxes, any parcel lockers, any of that
• 36:37
  type of stuff would all go under your Dismount so information and
• 36:44
  don't forget that you can't have anything blank if there is no
• 36:47
  distance or no parcel, Crews are collection boxes.
• 36:50
  You would put a zero and is there anything else that I am
• 36:56
  forgetting on the DPM portion? And then make sure you check
• 37:02
  your threshold warning. Yes, an alert because sometimes
• 37:08
  you have a have a minor alert. I could tell you, hey, you
• 37:12
  didn't actually put this in the right place.
• 37:15
  So make sure you check them a time, especially a trailer park,
• 37:20
  where your mail stop and your Park Point are going to be more
• 37:24
  than 500 feet apart. That's going to happen.
• 37:28
  We get a half a mile technically but in a trailer park you know
• 37:32
  it's going to be within a half a mile say what's your distance?
• 37:36
  Just a little the door. Yeah it'll flag is anything over
• 37:40
  500 feet for the park point and 150 feet for the walking part.
• 37:45
  The door distance. Yep.
• 37:47
  Yeah. So that may be something to
• 37:50
  check but if you know it's correct, you could skip over it.
• 37:53
  That one's not a big issue, the ones that that Better are
• 37:57
  missing points are hard warnings.
• 38:03
  Things like that and errors in your mapping also for you.
• 38:09
  Yes, it will also when you are mapping if you're going to go
• 38:14
  and do a point for the next thing and it is not letting you
• 38:18
  give especially with updating your going to try, you see you
• 38:22
  got some updates and you're going in there and it's not let
• 38:24
  you move any points. You need to scroll up through
• 38:27
  that, electronic edit book. And make sure there isn't any
• 38:30
  boxes that have a red X. Everyone has to be completed
• 38:35
  with the blue, the green, the yellow, and the purple.
• 38:40
  Before you can continue to the next one.
• 38:42
  If you have one with a red X, then you need to go up in
• 38:45
  either, put that pin point in or if that box is saying it's
• 38:49
  active and it's inactive, you need to change that.
• 38:52
  Make sure it is correct in your edit book because AMS talks to
• 38:57
  mapping, but mapping, as of right now does not talk to AMS.
• 39:02
  So that's where it's important to make.
• 39:04
  Sure your edit books are updated prior to doing any mapping
• 39:08
  updating. When you do go in and update
• 39:11
  after your edit book has been returned back to you, from doing
• 39:14
  updates, you want to redownload. Now, if you start updating and
• 39:19
  you don't finish, you do not want to read, download the next
• 39:24
  time. You want to resume is then.
• 39:26
  If you re download, then you're re-downloading the last one and
• 39:30
  you're having to do anything that you had started all over
• 39:32
  again. But you can resume it up until
• 39:36
  you submit it and all your errors and warnings need to be
• 39:40
  Cleared out and definitely go will double-check those
• 39:43
  threshold warnings and you can submit it with the threshold
• 39:48
  warnings. Just I would like James said,
• 39:52
  just go ahead and double check them and make sure they're
• 39:54
  correct. And then once it's submitted,
• 39:56
  then it takes a few minutes for it to transfer to the line of
• 40:00
  travel management system. The LT m We also, one thing I
• 40:06
  tell everybody when you're mapping, even if it's vacant
• 40:10
  right now map, it map, everything for that vacant
• 40:15
  address, because later on when you go to activate that address,
• 40:19
  you won't have to put it in on the mapping later.
• 40:22
  Unless you just have to up, do update a parking or delivery
• 40:26
  point, because the new people want something different than
• 40:29
  what was done in the past. You can update that.
• 40:33
  So if you have people that moved out, you did your original
• 40:36
  mapping. You got everything set and then
• 40:38
  they move out new people move in and they don't want their
• 40:42
  packages at the door. They want them at the garage or
• 40:44
  they have a tub or something, or a receptacle of some sort.
• 40:48
  Then. Yes, you can go in and update
• 40:50
  where they want that to be done. All right.
• 40:53
  Line of travel. In your line of travels where
• 40:57
  you're going to put your traffic control points.
• 41:00
  This would be your stop lights or stop signs, go or yield signs
• 41:06
  are row tracks. If you have a gated area that
• 41:10
  you need to pass through a gate to get to the mailboxes school
• 41:16
  crosswalks, if you have a school on your route, where you have
• 41:20
  to, you're driving through the school crossing.
• 41:24
  Yep, there it is. I do p.m. data the school
• 41:27
  crossing then, that's where you would Mark that railroad.
• 41:30
  Crossings you had Mark, those yield signs traffic signals,
• 41:35
  stop signs. And normally those will kind of
• 41:40
  flag it. If it's a routine area where you
• 41:42
  normally stop while you're doing it, if it doesn't flag it, then
• 41:48
  you're just going to hit pause real quick and go to that spot.
• 41:50
  And enter in that icon you're just going to drag it down from
• 41:53
  the little box that will be up in the left hand corner.
• 41:56
  This will also for some reason if you'll see would breadcrumbs
• 41:59
  when you're doing your LTM, that maybe you have somebody that you
• 42:04
  deliver a lot of packages to. So it automatically Kind of has
• 42:07
  you going in their driveway? You can actually pause it,
• 42:11
  right? Click on that.
• 42:12
  And a lot of times, it'll give you the option, an optional
• 42:16
  path, but you can choose the next option and some it'll be
• 42:19
  just straight through. And you can click on that,
• 42:22
  doesn't always do that. But more times than not, it
• 42:24
  will. Now I have a question for
• 42:28
  Carrier. Discretion, I have a townhome
• 42:32
  development which doesn't have stop signs or you.
• 42:36
  Yields at certain intersecting points of the road where I have
• 42:41
  to make a left or a right hand turn, but I do stop there.
• 42:46
  Under carrier discretion. Should I put that as a traffic
• 42:49
  control point for safety issues? Unfortunately, according to the
• 42:54
  paperwork, if there's not a sign, you don't put one there.
• 42:58
  So my recommendation to any carrier that goes into these
• 43:01
  subdivisions speak with the HOA because, you know, these new
• 43:06
  bills, all have HOAs and speak with them to get stop signs put
• 43:10
  up. Are the road commission or the
• 43:13
  road commission or whatever. Governing body covers that area
• 43:17
  to get stop signs there for safety.
• 43:21
  And once those stop signs are there, you can put them in your
• 43:23
  mapping. So but carrier discretion to do
• 43:28
  that I guess I won't get that completed because me and the HOA
• 43:33
  president of already crossed paths and yeah.
• 43:37
  Yes, yes you know how that works out.
• 43:40
  Talk with your talk, with your sub to do it.
• 43:45
  See if your sub would be willing to do that if you'd be willing
• 43:48
  to step up to help raise your evaluation so he makes more
• 43:50
  money or she she he or she makes more money.
• 43:55
  See if they're willing to do that.
• 43:59
  Or whatever they identify as oh. Oh my God.
• 44:05
  Political correctness to the hilt.
• 44:09
  Oh, you know, we have to after our fan mail.
• 44:13
  No, I don't. It's very urgent.
• 44:18
  Supposedly. This is Bill May and I'm proud
• 44:21
  to say it loud and clear. All right, take care of your
• 44:28
  depression. So you know, when you're doing
• 44:31
  your LTM, you'll watch the little car or the truck,
• 44:35
  whatever icon comes up, and I'll be driving your route.
• 44:38
  You can make it faster. So if you have like in my one
• 44:42
  office has my one route, has all two of my routes have ten and
• 44:46
  thirteen, mild deadheads. Going out to the route.
• 44:49
  You can skip to that first box to.
• 44:52
  If you don't have any traffic control points, this is all
• 44:55
  under the initial mapping when you're going into do updates.
• 44:59
  After you've updated Did a few of reactivated boxes that were
• 45:03
  inactive prior or seasonals come back and you've reacted boxes,
• 45:08
  you will have to go in under the LTM and it will update each
• 45:14
  stop. So even if you don't do the
• 45:16
  whole entire route and you just do it under the changes, I'm
• 45:21
  trying to remember the word that it has up there, but it's the
• 45:23
  right one. Not the left one, partial route.
• 45:26
  That's what it is. You want to At least do those
• 45:31
  and it basically will take you from point A to point from that
• 45:34
  and inactive to the next one. And then you click and do the
• 45:37
  next one. You just want to make sure
• 45:38
  verify that that line of travel is correct between those points.
• 45:43
  You can't always tell when the breadcrumbs are catching and
• 45:46
  carriers have had to turn around for Miss packages because she
• 45:49
  allow you turns in there. I've had that a few times.
• 45:53
  Oh look, they missed something that day.
• 45:55
  They were caught these breadcrumbs and they're turning
• 45:57
  around. To happen but it does it does.
• 46:02
  I will raise my hand on that one the other day, as a matter of
• 46:06
  fact, few times and then I had three carriers that four
• 46:12
  carriers, that add a whole neighborhood to their route.
• 46:16
  It may take up to two months for it to show up on your LTM,
• 46:23
  especially if the, it came in in the middle of edit book season
• 46:29
  when you're doing When you've already turned in the edit books
• 46:31
  and then you get these new addresses put on your route.
• 46:34
  The first time they put it in the computer is going to say,
• 46:37
  okay, now I'm going to look for these breadcrumbs.
• 46:40
  And then the next update has to wait until it gets those
• 46:43
  breadcrumbs to be able to map the next part.
• 46:46
  I would I would start driving it as soon as you would be driving
• 46:50
  you. Yeah.
• 46:52
  You would be driving it. But it may take up to two, to
• 46:55
  three mapping updates to be able to actually map the route and
• 47:00
  Fully if it's not a new build in, you're getting something off
• 47:04
  of somebody else's route because your route that cut or you are
• 47:08
  somebody's route cut and it got put on yours because you were
• 47:12
  dropped hard with this. Latest Rex evaluation.
• 47:16
  Hopefully, they've already mapped all the points correctly
• 47:18
  and it will it'll be an easy easy peasy little transition
• 47:22
  over, but we're still waiting for them to announce when they
• 47:25
  have that system in place to be able to touch and Rebuild routes
• 47:31
  so that portion of it is still on Holt.
• 47:36
  The only reason I have experience with that is because
• 47:38
  of them getting my, my one route and putting it on the other
• 47:41
  route that didn't come back as a full route even though it should
• 47:44
  be gotcha. I say I know with my one new
• 47:50
  neighborhood. When I first mapped 90% of it
• 47:55
  was inactive. And then after it was complete
• 48:00
  and everything got activate, you know, was activated.
• 48:05
  I had to sit down with someone from District because it was
• 48:10
  flagging those 60 summer dresses.
• 48:14
  Because they were inactive prior now they and I had activated
• 48:17
  them in the edit book and had to redo the pin points.
• 48:25
  For the package delivery. Yeah, the initial mapping when
• 48:31
  they transitioned over to the latest version of it, it caused
• 48:35
  a lot of issues in the transition between the two
• 48:40
  versions of the program. And a lot of things got messed
• 48:44
  up people's blue boxes. Got moved from one ZIP code, to
• 48:48
  the primary zip code of the office.
• 48:51
  Addresses, got marked vacant that we're actually active so on
• 48:55
  and so forth. When they transitioned over, it
• 48:57
  was it was a big bun. Ogle.
• 49:03
  I can tell you, in regards to the methodology of doing route
• 49:10
  adjustments, As of this past week, there is no official way
• 49:15
  yet. No, there is not People, people
• 49:21
  are going to be what some people are really overburdened and want
• 49:24
  the cuts now, but we'll talk about that a little bit later.
• 49:29
  On in this episode, it'll be on the lookout for that keep
• 49:33
  listening, but right now, there is no way to remove that.
• 49:38
  Overburden from you, the rural route optimization system has
• 49:44
  not been set up. It should have been set up a
• 49:46
  long time ago but it hasn't We're still waiting on it, we
• 49:50
  don't know when they'll ever get it done.
• 49:52
  If ever, you know, how, here's our I've heard rumors of
• 49:56
  possibly mid-june because they want it done before the next
• 49:59
  mini Mill survey. But again, that's just a rumor.
• 50:03
  So don't hold any credit to that whatsoever.
• 50:08
  You scarier past week? I was told to finish if we,
• 50:21
  there is not Anything official yet.
• 50:25
  There is that they have not and rumor rumor, right?
• 50:30
  Yes, supposedly Allegedly only if it you didn't see it on The
• 50:38
  View, it's not real. Again, our LCA hasn't posted it.
• 50:45
  It hasn't happened yet. So if they have letters in
• 50:52
  August, but don't discuss it at the convention in September.
• 50:58
  Oh nevermind, that's an oversight anyway.
• 51:05
  So just me. So as you finish your, your,
• 51:09
  your line of travel, when you get back to the office and it
• 51:12
  ends, it will then have you review it?
• 51:15
  And then you can go over, it'll give you the little screen will
• 51:20
  pop up and it'll have all your DPM data your regular boxes.
• 51:25
  You're just smoke distance or TCP count and then that'll have
• 51:29
  it broke down between stop signs.
• 51:31
  Traffic signals yield signs School.
• 51:34
  Sings railroad crossings gated access, and then it'll have your
• 51:39
  original LT of mileage, and then your LTM mileage after your
• 51:44
  route confirmation, and then, as long as that all, looks good
• 51:49
  supervisor intrusion. Or whoever enters that in puts
• 51:54
  their little piece ID in there and then they can print it out
• 52:00
  once that's submitted and then supposedly that is supposed to
• 52:03
  replace. your 4003 or your line of travel, so That is my
• 52:11
  understanding 4003 still matters for carriers on EMA.
• 52:20
  Yes, supposedly supposedly. Yeah, they've locked out.
• 52:24
  They've locked out the 4000. Threes management can no longer
• 52:27
  update. On blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
• 52:31
  But still in the contract, it still states that EMA is paid
• 52:35
  based off certified. Odometer mileage of your four
• 52:39
  thousand three and then and that LTM mileage on the very end.
• 52:46
  That is, if you know, that is not correct.
• 52:49
  It doesn't match the mileage on your last four thousand.
• 52:52
  Three. Then when you want to fill out a
• 52:57
  dispute sheet on your route mileage.
• 53:01
  And you want to have a copy of that LTM.
• 53:04
  And if you have a former copy of your 4003 still, which everybody
• 53:08
  should have one possibly still at the case, then definitely
• 53:12
  include that to, to show the discrepancy, unless your manager
• 53:17
  already took it and shredded it with some managers probably have
• 53:20
  which they were told to do. They were told also to destroy
• 53:24
  the previous 4240 ones that were printed out for you guys and so
• 53:29
  on. So if you kept copies of those,
• 53:31
  Those you're golden you didn't I hope you have some sort of
• 53:36
  backup. All right.
• 53:40
  So that basically is the cliff notes version of mapping.
• 53:47
  It's really not that difficult, the most confusing part really
• 53:51
  is the mailbox groupings and mailbox stops knowing the
• 53:56
  difference with those. And then making sure the yeah, I
• 54:02
  think that was probably the biggest thing was the mailbox.
• 54:05
  Groupings will make one note here.
• 54:09
  And this is for especially those on postal internet.
• 54:14
  Wait, there's a little bar that runs across the top of the
• 54:17
  screen, every time you move a point, wait for that bar to go
• 54:22
  all the way across and disappear.
• 54:24
  If you move a point and that bar is moving and you move another
• 54:27
  point, it can lock up the system.
• 54:30
  Yes so be patient and times this is still more bogged down and
• 54:37
  get really super slow in general.
• 54:39
  And at that point that's when you just close it out.
• 54:42
  Reopen it Up or refresh it. And this is where you will not
• 54:47
  redownload, but hit resume. Yes, and that's where you want
• 54:51
  to go. Yeah, I've had to do that a few
• 54:55
  times. But I think that is it for now
• 55:02
  under the mapping and we went over the dispute forms so I
• 55:07
  think we're kind of what go ahead.
• 55:09
  If you have any questions about this any questions about mapping
• 55:15
  any questions about the dispute form, get with your mapping
• 55:19
  facilitator it was your local designated union representative
• 55:23
  and ask them questions about it. We're not always the answer
• 55:27
  here. We may give incorrect advice to
• 55:31
  what your designated local union representative would give you.
• 55:35
  They are your resource for this information.
• 55:38
  Make sure you use them. So like I said, if management
• 55:43
  said I mapped it for you or I did your updates please please
• 55:47
  please get a hold of your District.
• 55:49
  Representative ASAP management is not supposed to do that on
• 55:55
  their own and like I say case in point they don't know where
• 56:00
  stuff is. I had to go move a box that was
• 56:05
  on a completely different Road on a completely different route.
• 56:08
  Just because the road names Were the exact same with the
• 56:13
  exception of one was West. And one was not.
• 56:17
  Oh yeah. It all this attention to your
• 56:22
  dates for your rural route, AMS at a book updates and
• 56:26
  maintenance on there because that, you know, that's on our
• 56:29
  web. But National web page for the
• 56:32
  natural world that retirees Association.
• 56:34
  It gives you all the dates where you're supposed to do your
• 56:36
  Corrections additions. Dates that are supposed to be
• 56:40
  setting up to AMS the dates that you're supposed to sit down with
• 56:43
  your supervisor designee and do your delivery point manager.
• 56:48
  Download, do your changes go into your LTM if they're
• 56:52
  changes. All of that is supposed to be
• 56:54
  done according to a formula that is set forth for management to
• 57:01
  follow. And if you don't have that
• 57:04
  opportunity, especially, you know, days 2:37 30th of the
• 57:08
  month, except for February, then, you know, you need to get
• 57:12
  ahold of your local union representative to get this
• 57:15
  situation, address does long yet longer you wait to do it the
• 57:21
  longer. It takes to get paid.
• 57:23
  Yes. And mapping is your paycheck.
• 57:26
  Also, it's an end of shift duty. If you can help a week, said
• 57:31
  this in a previous episode, Mapping is an end of shift duty,
• 57:35
  if you can help it, yes, there are exceptions to the rule where
• 57:39
  you get 8127 time as the other option, but try to put it at the
• 57:44
  end of shift, because then, that becomes part of your overall
• 57:48
  evaluation your mind. And if you are taking newly
• 57:53
  taking over a route, you know, routes when up for bed and you
• 57:59
  switched routes You have every right to go in there and look at
• 58:05
  the mapping and make sure that is correct for you if that's
• 58:08
  going to take an all-day thing, then they need to find a sub and
• 58:12
  they need to put you under a pea coat it for you to be able to do
• 58:16
  that. But yes, they cannot deny you
• 58:18
  doing that again. If they deny you going in and
• 58:21
  double checking, the mapping from taking over the route, it a
• 58:25
  hold of your designated union rep ASAP.
• 58:30
  All right, so we're going to start doing, you know, our
• 58:34
  topics. Like we normally do, we've done
• 58:36
  a few episodes that have all been rumors stuff.
• 58:39
  We write in groups and questions, so I think we're
• 58:42
  going to start doing questions and statements and stuff towards
• 58:46
  the end after we cover the meat and potatoes of the episode.
• 58:51
  We've had a couple good ones here.
• 58:54
  I am going to, let's do the audio.
• 58:56
  We had an audio message, come in on Spotify if you want to go
• 59:00
  ahead and play that and it has been edited or an animator.
• 59:08
  So the name and location has been removed.
• 59:12
  But if you want to go ahead and play that for everybody, Deliver
• 59:18
  in a 12-round office in since their new evaluations.
• 59:23
  From Rex all 12 of our routes are overburdened, which we knew
• 59:29
  because of the Amazon that we've gotten since before the pandemic
• 59:36
  Now, we have proof at least. question, I'm getting From my
• 59:43
  fellow, carriers is how they're supposed to be get compensated
• 59:48
  because the table, the 48k tops out at 57, 36.
• 59:55
  Every one of our routes are in the 16th for weekly hours.
• 1:00:01
  We're at the other end of the spectrum, we're way over burden.
• 1:00:05
  We are making our evaluations that we've gotten really good at
• 1:00:10
  doing the packages but they can't leave us like this.
• 1:00:17
  We would, if they caught us we're gonna go from 12 routes of
• 1:00:22
  probably 16. So basically 12 carriers are
• 1:00:26
  doing the work of 16 people for free every day.
• 1:00:31
  In my mind, we're doing part of another route. 48k, as well.
• 1:00:37
  We already addressed the getting routes cut a few minutes ago, as
• 1:00:42
  of right now, there is no procedure in place for them to
• 1:00:46
  do that. Unfortunately, if they want to,
• 1:00:50
  as soon as that procedure is laid out because the mou says,
• 1:00:54
  they will not make any Cuts before October of this year.
• 1:00:58
  which was agreed upon between the post office and the NRL CA
• 1:01:04
  with the exception of if a carrier requested, Or in operate
• 1:01:14
  on the accessibility, which is in the case of overburden
• 1:01:17
  routes. But if everyone wants to get
• 1:01:19
  cut, I would recommend everyone writing a statement to that
• 1:01:23
  effect and say that, you understand that it would that
• 1:01:27
  you understand that all Rex could negatively affect your
• 1:01:31
  route. Unfortunately, yet, as you
• 1:01:34
  mentioned 57, 36 is the highest standard hours that you get paid
• 1:01:40
  at a point 8 K, which is the top of a scale, anything above that
• 1:01:45
  is negligible. If you are actually going over
• 1:01:51
  48 hours in the five days of your evaluation, You can get
• 1:01:57
  either. Auxiliary assistance.
• 1:02:01
  Or overtime or the amount of time that you are going over.
• 1:02:07
  If you because I'm a 48k myself but I average about 45 hours a
• 1:02:13
  week right now. So I'm I'm actually staying
• 1:02:17
  under the evaluation. So unfortunately there's nothing
• 1:02:22
  like you get because I'm doing it within the towers.
• 1:02:26
  Not going over for you. Well, I'm in the same
• 1:02:30
  predicament, you know, my route comes in at 64 point zero, nine
• 1:02:35
  hours, which It is kind of funny because it demonstrates the
• 1:02:40
  burden put on us by the package industry, the business that
• 1:02:45
  we're approved since the 2018 count.
• 1:02:48
  So, you know, I haven't been paid for all the parcels from
• 1:02:52
  2018 and now I'm not getting paid for anything over 57 hours
• 1:02:57
  and I'm basically seven hours over that, unfortunately,
• 1:03:01
  because I'm a rural carrier, I'm more efficient, and I can
• 1:03:04
  complete my route underneath. Raishin, the only problem that I
• 1:03:10
  have and you know, it's probably a good thing that we're not
• 1:03:15
  being adjusted until October is because some of the numbers are
• 1:03:20
  just a little out of kilter for me.
• 1:03:23
  And one of those few side that I have is I have a money order
• 1:03:27
  application, allowance time allowance.
• 1:03:31
  I haven't had a money order application.
• 1:03:34
  Ever. So, how did you come up with a
• 1:03:38
  time factor for something? I've never done in 25 years?
• 1:03:44
  I also have on here, gold was the one, the c.o.d.
• 1:03:49
  Customs do again. Here's another item, I've never
• 1:03:54
  done in my life but I have time allotted to it.
• 1:04:00
  So where did they come up with these numbers that this is why
• 1:04:05
  the the lack of transparency Apparently is soda dismaying
• 1:04:09
  because of the fact that nobody can give you this information in
• 1:04:13
  black and white, nobody can sit down there and tell you where
• 1:04:17
  they got this from because frankly, folks, they just pulled
• 1:04:21
  it out of there, out of the air them change that walked in the
• 1:04:31
  region for the Stars. That's okay.
• 1:04:36
  Yeah, we knew you're going on that but that's what you know.
• 1:04:40
  So disarming about this is that we can't get these answers and I
• 1:04:45
  mean we delayed this from September.
• 1:04:47
  They had six more months to get this system down on top of the
• 1:04:54
  11 years since they initiated this.
• 1:04:57
  And we still can't get any Clarity to where these numbers
• 1:05:01
  are generated. How they're collected, how
• 1:05:04
  they're formulated you with nothing there.
• 1:05:06
  Are no answers. There are none from our Union
• 1:05:09
  who say they've been pressing the post office while I'm sorry
• 1:05:13
  it. Yeah, you're well beyond the
• 1:05:15
  full court press time. Folks.
• 1:05:17
  You know you've had your chance. It's time that, you know, let
• 1:05:20
  new leadership, take hold and guide this Union.
• 1:05:25
  Because folks, if you look at any of the social media, there
• 1:05:30
  are a lot of scared. People out there frustrated
• 1:05:33
  people, angry people and You know, it's not going to get much
• 1:05:37
  better. If what comes in October, is a
• 1:05:42
  complete turn around, and you have more than 66 percent, going
• 1:05:45
  down to have an argument as to why they still haven't gotten
• 1:05:50
  it, right? I still haven't found a way to
• 1:05:53
  get rid of DPS errors or get the DPS to flip the male, the right
• 1:05:57
  side up. When it's running through it.
• 1:05:59
  No my God. And then, and then it has that
• 1:06:03
  process for decades to, yes. There's, there's a problem there
• 1:06:07
  because it's funny that are local.
• 1:06:13
  Rural carrier specialist, wanted to have an adjustment on a
• 1:06:17
  carriers, you know, daily activity, log for upside-down
• 1:06:22
  DPS, say it was too much. Well if you're stating there's
• 1:06:28
  too much that you're telling me that you already have a standard
• 1:06:33
  set forth saying this is enough, this is too much.
• 1:06:37
  This is acceptable. This is not you can't have that
• 1:06:41
  standard already set. It because just recently, I got
• 1:06:45
  a box holder in my DPS and every one of them were upside down.
• 1:06:51
  Now, if I submit 622 upside down, is that going to trigger a
• 1:06:56
  red flag is exactly. Get the see how it is.
• 1:07:00
  Yeah, but the thing of it is I can prove it.
• 1:07:04
  The problem of it is is that local management also didn't
• 1:07:10
  prove it, okay? They didn't certify that this
• 1:07:12
  actually happened. So, you know, you're getting
• 1:07:16
  screwed both ways because Matt local management again failing
• 1:07:21
  to do their jobs and, you know, the your rule carrier specialist
• 1:07:24
  at the district level saying, no, yeah, the this is not
• 1:07:28
  feasible. This is not possible.
• 1:07:29
  It doesn't happen like this happens, like this every other
• 1:07:32
  day, folks. Yes, it does really good get
• 1:07:37
  really good at reading addresses upside down.
• 1:07:41
  Alright, I'm gonna go. I got a few things that were
• 1:07:44
  message to me on my personal side.
• 1:07:46
  So this one's kind of a three parter They just want to let us
• 1:07:52
  know. They a couple topics of
• 1:07:54
  discussion. Based on some recent posts,
• 1:07:57
  really a social webs. Number one, how we formula
• 1:08:02
  Office Works in recent posts. Someone said his Saturday's were
• 1:08:05
  taken away from him and now he has Thursdays often blamed, Rex
• 1:08:10
  those that are in a formula office.
• 1:08:12
  I will let you handle this one. Okay, well, let's start with the
• 1:08:18
  purpose of the Forum Hill office.
• 1:08:20
  The purpose of a formula office is if they do not have enough
• 1:08:26
  coverage. To allow everyone off on
• 1:08:30
  Saturday. They will go through the process
• 1:08:35
  to change your office from a regular office which allows all
• 1:08:40
  carriers to have Saturday as the relief day, unless you usually
• 1:08:45
  agree with management to change its during some time during the
• 1:08:48
  week to the formula, the formula takes into account, which is a
• 1:08:55
  computer program that they plug in how many routes total they
• 1:09:00
  have. How many of those routes are K
• 1:09:03
  routes J routes H routes auxiliary routes.
• 1:09:07
  How many RCA's are we've Replacements?
• 1:09:10
  Do you have and then it'll spit out that you had, you are
• 1:09:16
  allowed to have so many k routes To be on a Saturday j.j. routes
• 1:09:25
  which are every other Saturday take precedent for those
• 1:09:30
  Saturday slots. And then they fill in case after
• 1:09:34
  that. And that spy seniority, a mic
• 1:09:38
  hurt my right when you first go at least, when we were converted
• 1:09:44
  to a formula office. Few years back, they requested
• 1:09:49
  everybody to put their first second and third choice of
• 1:09:53
  relief day if you choose and they said they will consider
• 1:09:59
  those if you get assigned, whatever.
• 1:10:01
  Your days are of those three choices, That you bought
• 1:10:05
  quote-unquote volunteered for which they're actually supposed
• 1:10:10
  to. I'd have to look and see if the
• 1:10:12
  wording the Berber just change with the new rules from changing
• 1:10:18
  to where they have to pull for hiring list within six months
• 1:10:23
  with names on them. Before they can go formula from
• 1:10:27
  the old rules of where there was a minimum.
• 1:10:31
  At least three criteria at minimum.
• 1:10:34
  They had to do one of the first things was S4, volunteer.
• 1:10:38
  You'll people to volunteer to change their relief day.
• 1:10:41
  If you choose Tuesday, Wednesday, or Thursday, and
• 1:10:46
  volunteer for those three days, You get the added benefit.
• 1:10:51
  If you go over burdened when they cut your route they can
• 1:10:56
  only cut it to. I'm going to say a 45k but the
• 1:11:00
  actual standard hours comes to very very, very I weep or I
• 1:11:07
  forget what the actual standard hours are I don't know if any of
• 1:11:10
  you guys have that or in front of me, if you choose.
• 1:11:17
  Friday, as your relief day, you have the option of a rotating
• 1:11:24
  Friday, Saturday, which means, for example, like I have the
• 1:11:28
  Friday, Saturday rotation, we one of the pay period I have
• 1:11:34
  Friday off week 2 of the pay period.
• 1:11:38
  I have Saturday off, which means that weekend in the middle of
• 1:11:44
  the pay period when I get my days off.
• 1:11:47
  Well, I have a three-day weekend, but then the opposite
• 1:11:51
  weekend the beginning and end of the pay period.
• 1:11:56
  I work straight through 6 days through if you are lowering
• 1:12:02
  seniority, and as you mentioned is by seniority, and every time
• 1:12:07
  you add or remove, A relief. Carrier a an RCA from the roles
• 1:12:15
  whether it be, they reside, they go regular, come pgf go regular.
• 1:12:23
  They're supposed to recalculate the formula which means you
• 1:12:28
  could either gain or lose Saturdays.
• 1:12:35
  If you, if they recalculate and you lose Saturday's the Junior
• 1:12:41
  regular. route with a Saturday relief, will lose that Saturday
• 1:12:49
  and will be put during the week, if You are if they gain
• 1:12:59
  Saturday's the senior carrier that has a non Saturday relief
• 1:13:07
  will be asked if they want to switch back to Saturday.
• 1:13:13
  It's the senior carrier doesn't want to change their release
• 1:13:16
  day, then they move it down to the next you know.
• 1:13:19
  Next senior carrier right? Well as I said they ask them if
• 1:13:23
  they want to change from make me back to Saturday the relief day
• 1:13:29
  stays with the route. if so, if For example, like I said, I have
• 1:13:38
  a Friday, Saturday rotation on my route.
• 1:13:42
  If I, you know, there's the route in the station that I live
• 1:13:48
  on potentially will be a, I'll be able to bid on that.
• 1:13:53
  They have a Thursday relief, if I did on that and get that, get
• 1:13:59
  awarded it. My relief, they will become
• 1:14:03
  Thursday because the Relief day stays with the route in this
• 1:14:08
  case. But with this question,
• 1:14:11
  Unfortunately, they were J which took Saturday prepping a
• 1:14:15
  preference when they went up to the k. yes, if they were a
• 1:14:26
  junior carrier, They would have had to loot, you know, go back,
• 1:14:31
  go to a non Saturday relieved, if they add more, you know, if
• 1:14:39
  they hire more RCA's into the office when they recalculate,
• 1:14:44
  they might get that Saturday back if they're seeing your
• 1:14:48
  carrier. Alright, this is going to bring
• 1:14:51
  us to the second part if you are not a formula.
• 1:14:58
  Office. You guys can get together and
• 1:15:03
  keep yourselves from going to a formula office by offering to
• 1:15:08
  change your schedule day off and then you don't have the formula
• 1:15:13
  and all that stuff. You work with your RCA's and
• 1:15:16
  your regular carriers and you could have like in my office.
• 1:15:20
  You can have Saturdays and Monday's off with enough RCA's.
• 1:15:25
  Or in one instance, one of our carriers went from H route to a
• 1:15:30
  j than a k. He opted for Friday's off on his
• 1:15:34
  own which actually helped us. So we didn't have to work around
• 1:15:40
  something and figure out. We had enough Subs to cover the
• 1:15:42
  routes, you don't have to go formula of people are willing to
• 1:15:46
  change their day off on their own.
• 1:15:49
  But that's what I was saying about.
• 1:15:51
  I wasn't sure of the asking for volunteers first before they
• 1:15:54
  start to process. If that was still in, you know,
• 1:15:58
  in effect, the one, the one thing I do want to add with the
• 1:16:03
  example, I gave, if I did over to this other route for
• 1:16:06
  Thursday, as I mentioned, if you volunteer for Tuesday, Wednesday
• 1:16:12
  or Thursday, You get that benefit of that 45k if they have
• 1:16:17
  to cut your route, if you go overburden.
• 1:16:20
  Because I'm bidding on to a route that as an existing
• 1:16:24
  Thursday, I didn't volunteer for it so I don't get that benefit.
• 1:16:30
  It's only if you volunteered to take that midweek relief day
• 1:16:38
  that you get that extra benefit. Alright, now we're going to go
• 1:16:43
  on to the second part of this one.
• 1:16:46
  And this second suggestion in our office, our supervisor
• 1:16:50
  redid, the matrix by wiping, the board clean and starting from
• 1:16:55
  scratch. Yep, that was a No-No.
• 1:16:58
  Afterwards. We found out that someone was
• 1:17:00
  bumped from their primary. This has since been corrected,
• 1:17:05
  thank you. I'm glad it has been corrected
• 1:17:08
  when you win a, when a supervisor decides to redo the
• 1:17:12
  Matrix, the primary stay the same Unless the you I mean, if
• 1:17:19
  they have a vacancy in, somebody wants to move a route whatever
• 1:17:22
  but you don't, there's no bumping of primaries.
• 1:17:25
  When you redo a matrix. Plain, and simple if that
• 1:17:30
  happens and it offered a choice. if a primary bump happens,
• 1:17:37
  Contact your designated union rep right away.
• 1:17:44
  But yes, it's basically going in and changing the secondaries and
• 1:17:49
  the third judge the second thirds.
• 1:17:51
  And that's it should be offered up by seniority on what and down
• 1:17:56
  on down the line to the junior RCA, which basically gets what
• 1:18:03
  slaughtered only happen when there is a change in relief
• 1:18:08
  carriers areas right. Yes, whether whatever goes one
• 1:18:13
  regular. One becomes a PT F, The Matrix
• 1:18:20
  should be redone in the PT F can only take routes that do not
• 1:18:26
  have RCA's on them. All right, so don't like
• 1:18:32
  mayonnaise, right? Contact your local designated
• 1:18:37
  union representative because that's not right.
• 1:18:39
  That you cannot take your primary without your permission,
• 1:18:42
  all right? Hey when is simple Matrix, there
• 1:18:48
  is a 20-page matrix guidelines out there it is available on the
• 1:18:55
  NRL see a site under the steward reference guide, it the letter,
• 1:19:00
  M for Matrix and there's all sorts of info on how a matrix
• 1:19:05
  should be done. All right, this last one from
• 1:19:10
  this person, retention Return to Sender.
• 1:19:14
  Certified mail should have customer signature upon return.
• 1:19:18
  Yes, some are just scanning Return to sender and putting in
• 1:19:22
  mailbox, some others, including a moderator sign it themselves
• 1:19:27
  and place and mailbox recently had a challenge of postmaster on
• 1:19:31
  this and she agreed after a meeting with somebody wink,
• 1:19:34
  wink. Okay.
• 1:19:37
  Yes, certified mail at time of delivery, no matter who it goes
• 1:19:42
  to, whether it's the recipient or the sender gets a signature
• 1:19:45
  line and simple. Anything else guys?
• 1:19:49
  On that one. Yeah, and that's extra credit on
• 1:19:53
  your yeah you can that accountable valuation, you get
• 1:19:57
  that accountable credit. If you get there the the sender
• 1:20:01
  to sign for it as the same with the the green card on the back
• 1:20:06
  scan that prepaid acceptance. I'm going to apologize.
• 1:20:10
  Are your depression to the person that sent this one to me
• 1:20:14
  on May 13th. I was out running a primary in
• 1:20:19
  my Ox route that day so I didn't get it.
• 1:20:21
  Really a chance I was going to get back to her and I didn't I
• 1:20:24
  apologize but we're going to address it now.
• 1:20:27
  She starts off by saying that I love your podcast, there's so
• 1:20:30
  much good for information. I'd like to point out that I
• 1:20:33
  feel like sometimes too much. Blame is placed on the carrier
• 1:20:37
  and not enough is placed on the extremely flawed system.
• 1:20:40
  Yes, we can't agree in most instances but that being said,
• 1:20:44
  I'd like to get your guy's opinion on something just to
• 1:20:47
  help me. Clarify what happened to and how
• 1:20:50
  I might fix my route. If it's at all possible.
• 1:20:53
  I've been doing most of the wreck scans for the last year on
• 1:20:56
  my route though, I've only fairly recently learned about
• 1:20:59
  the Rover. Each scan, my route started as
• 1:21:02
  an ox that was created after the 28th count. 2018.
• 1:21:06
  Scuse me, as of October of 2021, it was made a full row after
• 1:21:11
  taking pieces off of other of overburden routes, I was awarded
• 1:21:16
  the route became regular in January of twenty, twenty two
• 1:21:19
  graduations. It was also the sub on the route
• 1:21:22
  when it was the ox since mid 2020.
• 1:21:25
  So I know the proper scans have been done on parts of it that I
• 1:21:28
  have had. Since I've had them, I fairly
• 1:21:30
  recently November at a new apartment complex, Go Active and
• 1:21:34
  start moving people in. It is not yet at full capacity
• 1:21:38
  but it's getting close at this point.
• 1:21:40
  Maybe three-quarters full. Am I correct?
• 1:21:43
  That I will not get full credit for delivery until the count
• 1:21:46
  after the one year, mark of the full delivery of this place?
• 1:21:50
  All Also, with those boxes being considered active on my route
• 1:21:54
  since November are not having full residency.
• 1:21:56
  Yet could be hurting my coverage Factor, this have something to
• 1:22:01
  do with my route. Going from being a massively
• 1:22:03
  overburden, 48k 61 .2. 6 standard hours.
• 1:22:08
  We'll have 40 K that I just barely scraped into my route is
• 1:22:13
  also a very heavy CBU route out of 840.
• 1:22:17
  Act of boxes is 460 or CB you it cannot make my new eval time.
• 1:22:23
  So I want some hope that this will get straightened out
• 1:22:25
  because I love my job. I've always felt like I was
• 1:22:27
  pretty good at it, but now I just feel like I'm terrible at
• 1:22:30
  it. Sorry for the long message.
• 1:22:33
  All right, couple things in there, guys to use first thing
• 1:22:39
  off right off the bat. She said CB use.
• 1:22:41
  And that's the biggest biggest hurting thing in this whole
• 1:22:45
  evaluation system. It's the most flawed part of
• 1:22:48
  this evaluation system for starters.
• 1:22:52
  One of the things that we've been told is that if the first
• 1:22:55
  address in a CBU is vacant, the entire CPU is considered vacant,
• 1:23:00
  even if you have active addresses in it.
• 1:23:03
  Which shouldn't be happening. We group our mailboxes together
• 1:23:07
  out on the street for curbside delivery and it doesn't do that.
• 1:23:11
  But yet it's doing it's all the CPUs and that is hurting a lot
• 1:23:14
  of routes. That's part of the reason why
• 1:23:16
  you went to a 40K and yes you are.
• 1:23:19
  Also correct that not having a year worth of data for those
• 1:23:24
  apartments, perch your route. Because it goes back to all the
• 1:23:29
  data for the past 52 weeks supposedly.
• 1:23:33
  I've heard that some of its 13 13 weeks, some of its 52 weeks,
• 1:23:38
  depends on who you ask use carrier discretion.
• 1:23:42
  But the biggest biggest flaw in this entire system, has been the
• 1:23:47
  CB use and that has hurt more routes than anything else.
• 1:23:52
  Even the lower box volume even the mileage system, CD Jews have
• 1:23:57
  killed the rural route, big time, and I'm sorry that it
• 1:24:03
  happened to you. Yes, you're going to be going
• 1:24:05
  over your evaluation. It's going to happen
• 1:24:08
  unfortunately because you have a route that is bigger than what
• 1:24:13
  it was evaluated for. But as your volume goes, along
• 1:24:18
  in this apartment complex fills up, especially if they're
• 1:24:22
  long-term tenants, it's going to benefit the route in the long
• 1:24:25
  run and hopefully, By the count. In this October, you'll see an
• 1:24:30
  improvement in the numbers. And hopefully if they fix the
• 1:24:32
  CBU issue, it'll really raises the numbers for everybody.
• 1:24:37
  We hope supposedly Things like that.
• 1:24:42
  And if you said you started getting deliveries in November
• 1:24:44
  by the September count, October evaluation, you'll have nearly
• 1:24:53
  awful year. Yeah, almost 52 weeks worth of
• 1:24:56
  data for that least the first unit.
• 1:25:03
  So, And I don't know what with the new system, what they have
• 1:25:13
  in play for activating new addresses in the interim.
• 1:25:22
  Like, with the old system, you add them to your edit book, Adam
• 1:25:25
  to your portable three. It would give you credit, I
• 1:25:30
  would presume by activating made.
• 1:25:36
  Way that there's something that would start giving you credit
• 1:25:39
  for the new addresses. But again, I haven't heard
• 1:25:42
  anything one way or another about that.
• 1:25:46
  Anybody else? Alright, one more thing we're
• 1:25:52
  going to touch on before we wind down, this was another message.
• 1:25:55
  I received this morning, could you please remind everyone to
• 1:25:58
  vote for the national delegates in to stop voted for very, very
• 1:26:03
  old retirees, Alabama, just mailed out their delegate
• 1:26:07
  ballots, by the way, people And we have twin evaluated to
• 1:26:14
  Pennsylvania did to Illinois's are dropped in the mail.
• 1:26:17
  Michigan should probably be going out soon, is going out
• 1:26:21
  this week. Please, please vote for
• 1:26:25
  delegates. If you're in our Facebook group,
• 1:26:27
  under the featured post, you will find information about
• 1:26:31
  people police names anyways. Yes please please put their name
• 1:26:36
  their if you don't Nuys names on there. 90% of people have social
• 1:26:44
  media, you could even do a Google search, do a little
• 1:26:48
  research, ask co-workers, ask somebody, you may know, you
• 1:26:53
  know, That may know them on down the line.
• 1:26:57
  I social media, obviously, people are going to ask
• 1:27:01
  questions, they're no use your discretion on that but please
• 1:27:07
  vote for your National delegates.
• 1:27:09
  I'm not going to tell you who to vote for who not to vote for,
• 1:27:12
  that's your own personal choice, but please vote.
• 1:27:19
  And remember the people you vote for are the ones that are going
• 1:27:24
  to make the choices at the national level for you, are
• 1:27:27
  going to make the choices for you at the state level.
• 1:27:29
  If you had State voting for that.
• 1:27:31
  So you want to put people vote for people that may think like
• 1:27:36
  you do. So if you can do your research,
• 1:27:39
  do your research. See how check out previous
• 1:27:43
  meeting things like that? See how people voted.
• 1:27:47
  There's a lot of Records out there of stuff that anybody can
• 1:27:52
  find pretty easily in a lot of places.
• 1:27:55
  So, if you get that ballot, only vote the names you want to go to
• 1:28:01
  Nacional, There are people that are paid to go to National
• 1:28:05
  already. So, make sure you know who that
• 1:28:10
  is. That's going to National on a
• 1:28:11
  paid trip, whether it be State members or national like your
• 1:28:17
  District reps. People like that, that are paid
• 1:28:20
  to go already. Vote for people, if you know an
• 1:28:25
  RCA that you like that's running for National delegate vote for
• 1:28:31
  them. Let's get some younger people
• 1:28:35
  appear to look even new people even if you don't know them.
• 1:28:41
  But you know, there are new RCA help them up, get them up there.
• 1:28:47
  And again, I am not bashing my retirees in any form, I have
• 1:28:52
  utmost respect for my retirees, you've done your time.
• 1:28:55
  There are some really awesome retirees that are still out
• 1:28:58
  there, fighting the good fight for the carriers are in the
• 1:29:00
  trenches today. Those guys are awesome.
• 1:29:04
  We also have retirees that have never handled a scanner have
• 1:29:08
  never handled DPS have never handled Amazon that are clueless
• 1:29:14
  to what the carriers are going. What we are going through today.
• 1:29:21
  So please keep in mind of that as well when you're voting
• 1:29:26
  either get their retirees are just as important.
• 1:29:29
  Because Guess what at some point you too, could be a retiree.
• 1:29:34
  And they exactly are going to have the opinions for
• 1:29:37
  retirement. And what retirement should be
• 1:29:40
  for you is our retirees will have that opinion.
• 1:29:44
  So they need to go just as much as regular carriers RCA's arcs.
• 1:29:50
  anybody on the real craft they have just as much say as the
• 1:29:55
  person next to them in this Union because we're all in this
• 1:29:58
  together, We're all one team here.
• 1:30:03
  Well, you got anything to add on that.
• 1:30:05
  Dear. Okay.
• 1:30:06
  On a personal note in the state of Pennsylvania, we're allowed
• 1:30:11
  to vote up to. I believe it's 44 candidates.
• 1:30:15
  That does not mean you have to vote the 44.
• 1:30:18
  So like the ones that you feel are aligned to your interest in
• 1:30:22
  regards to the union and the post office from the retirees
• 1:30:27
  again, there are some very good ones that attend there.
• 1:30:30
  We have one in Pennsylvania, I'll give a shout-out Out to
• 1:30:33
  Wild Bill who usually gets a sweet and then has a flip chart
• 1:30:39
  in his room with a magic marker. And he's got, oh God, gazillions
• 1:30:45
  a tons of information, he does. He used to do the Eagle Fest and
• 1:30:50
  it was a big information, you know, tight, get together.
• 1:30:54
  And let me tell you again, the resolutions that man pumps out,
• 1:30:57
  you know, from, from that eagle vest.
• 1:30:59
  And at the National Convention, which stupid by that is, Goodbye
• 1:31:04
  a good carrier, knowledgeable in the union, huh?
• 1:31:09
  Some of the other retirees, I'll withhold my comments and
• 1:31:13
  judgment because I don't want to get more fan mail, but the fact
• 1:31:20
  of the matter is that, you know, some of these people have served
• 1:31:24
  your time, they've done their Duty.
• 1:31:27
  Let younger people get involved because we are having a drain on
• 1:31:31
  our Union. The the number of inquiries of
• 1:31:34
  how to quit the union is staggering.
• 1:31:37
  And as last year, they noted, they lost 5,000 members last
• 1:31:42
  year 5,000 members. And honestly, guys, I'm going to
• 1:31:48
  bring I'm going to bring this up.
• 1:31:50
  But D certifying the union is not the answer.
• 1:31:55
  No is not. You would be left at the mercy
• 1:32:00
  of the post office. And really do not want that.
• 1:32:07
  The answer is thing, they would get rid of the first thing they
• 1:32:11
  would get rid of is the retirement.
• 1:32:15
  From the post office. Idli would get rid of everything
• 1:32:18
  they could, they would cut your pay.
• 1:32:22
  Layoff quality. Sure, hours, increase your hours
• 1:32:26
  and increase your workload. And decrease your benefits.
• 1:32:31
  Yes, yes. So it's a double-edged sword.
• 1:32:38
  Yeah. Or it would be Union completely
• 1:32:42
  by way of like the highway contract carriers.
• 1:32:45
  Yeah, exactly Highway contract carrier, what?
• 1:32:52
  It's like to work for the Postal Service, I have one in my
• 1:32:57
  office, trust me, he's very opinionated and he is not afraid
• 1:33:00
  to say it. Very important part of this
• 1:33:10
  craft. Contractors in my office.
• 1:33:16
  And if you took the F-bomb out of his language, he wouldn't be
• 1:33:20
  able to talk, right? But goes out.
• 1:33:26
  This is where voting for the proper delegates.
• 1:33:31
  Oh, ouch in general. When you only have 20 percent of
• 1:33:34
  the membership, voting for anything, whether it's a
• 1:33:36
  contract or delegates. I mean, that's only 20% that
• 1:33:43
  you're allowing, yeah, National officers that is voting for
• 1:33:50
  contract, that's voting for National officers and when
• 1:33:54
  you're voting the same, and I'm going to repeat myself, like
• 1:33:57
  I've said on several episodes in the past.
• 1:34:00
  When you're voting for the same people, you're going to get the
• 1:34:03
  same results. We don't.
• 1:34:10
  We don't care whether you like or hate the people that are in
• 1:34:14
  the office, they're just there, temporarily the union, the union
• 1:34:19
  is every single one of us, dues-paying and non dues-paying
• 1:34:25
  Arc. RCA PTF regular carrier retiree.
• 1:34:32
  We are all the rural carrier Union.
• 1:34:36
  We are all the NRL CA and our voice.
• 1:34:40
  Is what propels us through the next contract and your voice is
• 1:34:46
  either being a delegate or voting for a delegate. being
• 1:34:53
  involved in the union, is the most important job you have at
• 1:34:58
  the postal service because the union is you, and the union is
• 1:35:05
  only as strong as its least, informed member Oh no, we're in
• 1:35:14
  trouble. Then I had to call you out on
• 1:35:18
  that one. Conform number.
• 1:35:25
  But on that note, the key thing is to vote.
• 1:35:28
  I've already seen a couple people say, well, I didn't
• 1:35:31
  recognize any names on there, so I threw my bail it out.
• 1:35:35
  And put your egg research. Exactly.
• 1:35:42
  And I recognize the names in general just because I am very
• 1:35:47
  active. I go to everything whether I'm a
• 1:35:50
  delegate or I'm paid to go or not and I'm paying my own way.
• 1:35:53
  Yes, as an RCA. I will pinch, I go to
• 1:35:56
  everything. I mean you could ask well James
• 1:36:00
  James. He's me at everything that since
• 1:36:02
  he started to go I go to mid states, I go to all the
• 1:36:05
  boosters, I started going to my state board meetings because our
• 1:36:08
  state has opened board meetings. I go and observe those, I go to
• 1:36:14
  my regional meetings and maybe next year, I may start and do
• 1:36:18
  regional meeting hopping just just to see.
• 1:36:21
  I and I that's a goal of mine. and then I go to National It my
• 1:36:28
  own. What?
• 1:36:29
  I paid my own way to Nationals last year I wasn't paid to go.
• 1:36:31
  I was an alternate delegate, you know.
• 1:36:34
  It's is what it is. Part of that is you went just in
• 1:36:38
  case they needed you as a delegate to yes.
• 1:36:41
  But until they actually decide your delegate, your unpaid to go
• 1:36:45
  for our state. Yes.
• 1:36:46
  Every state is different how they do that.
• 1:36:48
  Every case is different, but Michigan actually pays their
• 1:36:51
  delegates to go. Alternates do not get paid to
• 1:36:54
  go. However, I do go Norma that.
• 1:36:58
  I was an alternate last year. I was a delegate in 2019 and
• 1:37:02
  Grapevine. I got bumped up to delegate like
• 1:37:06
  the week, just prior to leaving. It was just a matter of days in
• 1:37:10
  2018, which was my first national when it was in Grand
• 1:37:12
  Rapids, then I was an alternate, I was too far down to get bumped
• 1:37:16
  up, but that was my first national experience.
• 1:37:19
  So I had that under my belt, you don't have to be a delegate.
• 1:37:22
  Or an alternate to attend National any dues paying member
• 1:37:28
  can attend National. You just have to register ahead
• 1:37:33
  of time. You can't vote, but you can at
• 1:37:35
  least see the process. You can see what everybody's
• 1:37:39
  talking about. You can make those notes on
• 1:37:43
  who's voting, what down, or who's voting, what up or, you
• 1:37:48
  know, you can do that process without actually being a
• 1:37:51
  delegate. But you, again, you Don't have
• 1:37:53
  the voting, right? As a non delegate, you can be
• 1:37:55
  there in witness it. And sometimes if something is a
• 1:38:00
  good point, a may ask to do suspend the rules and allow a
• 1:38:06
  non delegate to speak at the microphone that does happen even
• 1:38:10
  on the national level it does happen.
• 1:38:13
  So you know there is that possibility as well.
• 1:38:16
  And remember top of that you can learn so much about the union
• 1:38:22
  through that. Process.
• 1:38:24
  It is really a mental overload and it's not all the partying
• 1:38:28
  that a lot of people say. Either everybody sees or yeah,
• 1:38:33
  everybody sees the photos from the Banquets and people chilling
• 1:38:37
  out owed on patios or rooms or whatever you guys when you see
• 1:38:43
  those, that is the unwind after sitting on a convention floor,
• 1:38:47
  48 hours, For more than 12 hours.
• 1:38:52
  Yeah, Friday's going, Friday's go until elections are over and
• 1:38:58
  it can go pretty late caucus. Caucus night will go super late
• 1:39:03
  as well as it depending on how many people are running for
• 1:39:07
  office. That go through caucus on how
• 1:39:08
  long it's going to take. I think it was like 10:30 last
• 1:39:11
  year when I got done and 30 11:00.
• 1:39:14
  Yeah, yep. Yep.
• 1:39:17
  And you know that That's that's for a long night and then Friday
• 1:39:22
  is elections and that starts in the morning, why they're
• 1:39:26
  counting ballots in between elections and stuff.
• 1:39:29
  That's when they're going through resolutions or appeals
• 1:39:32
  or or whatever else they have on the floor business to business
• 1:39:38
  and they do, you know? And then once the ballots are
• 1:39:41
  counted, and they finished that one up, and now it's whoever won
• 1:39:44
  that one and then they go on to start the next election.
• 1:39:49
  And then why the teller committee has are counting votes
• 1:39:54
  and, you know, we're back to doing business again.
• 1:39:57
  So, Friday's can get pretty long especially if you have a lot of
• 1:40:01
  people running for like executive committee.
• 1:40:03
  Men, for example, and if you got 46, people running for one
• 1:40:09
  position and it's going to keep going until you have a winner
• 1:40:13
  because it is by a two-thirds majority.
• 1:40:15
  Am I correct? I believe.
• 1:40:20
  Oh yes. Oh yes.
• 1:40:25
  So, and I want to, I want to make this point, is that
• 1:40:30
  everybody is listening or, you know, here's, here's this
• 1:40:35
  information on our podcast, please.
• 1:40:37
  Remember you can't fight for yourself for your rights, for
• 1:40:42
  your pay for for, you know, let's say Integrity in your
• 1:40:49
  office, in regards to how you're treated.
• 1:40:52
  If you're not part of the Union, if you're not in the fight, As a
• 1:41:00
  union member, you have no fight, you're just a ride-along.
• 1:41:04
  So please consider that, you know, all these people who are
• 1:41:07
  considering dropping out of the Union, you will have no.
• 1:41:10
  Say in what happens down the road, it will be dictated by
• 1:41:14
  those in the union. So, if you want a dog in this
• 1:41:18
  fight, stay in the fight, you won't be able to vote for your
• 1:41:22
  your National delegates. You won't be able to put forth
• 1:41:25
  resolutions that you're counting meetings or state meetings.
• 1:41:29
  You won't be able to access the NRL CA website.
• 1:41:35
  Your local designated Union. Steward is required by law to
• 1:41:41
  support you to the fullest extent when you have an issue in
• 1:41:45
  the office but you don't have access to all the information
• 1:41:50
  unless you get it from your designated union,
• 1:41:53
  representative, or from a co-worker that is part of the
• 1:41:56
  inner LCA, otherwise, you'll have to get it through sources
• 1:42:00
  third party, And that's what you'll be doing by going to your
• 1:42:05
  designee. Union, rep is you'll be getting
• 1:42:07
  it through a third party Source because they'll get it from some
• 1:42:11
  from National and then disperse it to everybody.
• 1:42:16
  But you won't have any way to say, I want to put a resolution
• 1:42:21
  fourth to prevent major cuts to people's pee.
• 1:42:28
  Without being part of the Union. You won't be able to turn around
• 1:42:33
  and say, I want Bill to be the president of the inner.
• 1:42:37
  I'll see a. Yeah, or I want Kristen to be
• 1:42:44
  the president of the state of Michigan.
• 1:42:46
  Yeah, for example, those are examples.
• 1:42:51
  I'm not saying whether they're running for those positions are
• 1:42:54
  not. But first step, any, any member
• 1:42:58
  should do. Go attend your State Convention.
• 1:43:02
  Yes, that's the first step you need to do state conventions are
• 1:43:04
  starting up. If you want to see how the
• 1:43:07
  business side of stuff works start with a State Convention.
• 1:43:11
  A Boosters are good there. Informational on the national
• 1:43:16
  level. Your Regional meetings are
• 1:43:18
  awesome. They're informational.
• 1:43:20
  You get more. I'm ask questions.
• 1:43:23
  Get the information but your state conventional Manner and
• 1:43:28
  national conventions are our business.
• 1:43:32
  That's really what they are. They are the business end.
• 1:43:36
  Of the Union, whether it's the state level, or the national
• 1:43:39
  level, I, you know, I would start with a State Convention,
• 1:43:44
  as Josh said, is a first-timer at Nationals last year he goes,
• 1:43:48
  this is like a State Convention on steroids.
• 1:43:51
  Oh God. It is, it is, I mean, you think
• 1:43:55
  about it, when you go to your state conventions, you may have
• 1:43:58
  a, you know, a couple few hundred people there.
• 1:44:02
  And you know, you go through the business stuff, but when you get
• 1:44:06
  to the National end and you're dealing with Eleven Hundred
• 1:44:09
  delegates, that's just the delegates.
• 1:44:12
  That's not, you know, oh their union members that are attending
• 1:44:16
  his guests and guests mean, you're looking at 2,000 people.
• 1:44:21
  Just wonder I convention in one room.
• 1:44:24
  Yes, exactly. And yeah, that's that could be a
• 1:44:27
  bit overwhelming if you're not used to that type of stuff.
• 1:44:31
  So I know from our space, our State Convention that one night
• 1:44:35
  we went until 8:30 at night. We started at 8 in the morning.
• 1:44:39
  Yeah I've been well what was it? Grand Rapids 2018?
• 1:44:43
  It was what 9:00 9:30 at night when we got out of there.
• 1:44:46
  Hmm. Yeah.
• 1:44:47
  And you still have stuff to do, I still had to drive three and a
• 1:44:50
  half hours back home, you know. Yeah, it's time we were done it,
• 1:44:56
  you know? And if it goes, until it's gone,
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  you have to sit there through it all and make your Also, when
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  you're a delegate because it's very important as a delegate, to
• 1:45:07
  have the voice of your constituents, the people who
• 1:45:11
  elected, you just like Politics, the people that elected you, you
• 1:45:15
  have to vote in the way that you think your delegates in your
• 1:45:19
  state would want you to vote on that stuff.
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  It's not about what you think is, right?
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  It's about what you think is best for everybody else.
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  The state of Pennsylvania. You must attend all meetings.
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  Opening close to get paid as a delegate.
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  Yep. Same in Michigan.
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  Same in Michigan, you know, and I'm going to say this, you know,
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  I've never been one. I am really comfortable talking
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  to, like, a smaller group, you know, like my office or my old
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  office, you know, maybe a dozen a couple dozen people, whatever,
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  you know that to me is not intimidating but last year Going
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  up to the podium, my first time up their nominating, bill for
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  president last year and you know, and everything happened so
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  fast. I didn't even grab my notes off
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  of my chair. And I'm standing up there with
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  the light shining in my eyes and 2,000 people standing in front
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  of me. I admit I was intimidated,
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  everybody said I sounded great but to myself, I was such a ball
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  of nerves and then when Bill went up and nominated me.
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  And I had to go up there and give my my speech for running
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  for vice president, and I didn't even have my notes with me and I
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  completely Wing this bullshit and did it work?
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  No, and did very well. Thank you.
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  And then, and then caucus on Thursday night, you know, I had
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  an idea of what I want to talk about.
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  I literally between convention when we, when we Recess for the
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  day and what would the hour hour and a half that we had before
• 1:47:08
  caucuses started, I literally was sitting at Bill and Ice
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  booth. How what I was going to talk
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  about during caucus? I was that unprepared but I
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  winged it. And by the time that I got done
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  and got through Caucasus you know I had to smaller groups
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  with a smaller States and then you get back into the main
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  convention floor with sack because it's absolutely huge and
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  you're dealing with what I had to deal with in there.
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  By the time it came down to the elections and Concession speech,
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  you know, I went up back up to the podium and I was completely
• 1:47:51
  comfortable. It was not intimidating to me at
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  one point another, I worked through that.
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  And the easiest thing to remember is that they're
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  carriers, just like you, exactly, exactly.
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  Exactly. And, you know, if anybody saw me
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  at Mid State, you know, I first thing on our first little,
• 1:48:14
  someone are things that there I was sitting with my Iowa friends
• 1:48:18
  and then I'd be out at break time, spent with my Wisconsin
• 1:48:21
  friends, and then, you know, I'm roaming around talking to my
• 1:48:25
  Kansas friends, and Ohio, friends.
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  And, you know, Do the North Dakota president out on
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  cigarette break? I am one of those that.
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  So once I've gotten to know more people and talking to others,
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  you know, and once you get up there, it's a completely
• 1:48:43
  different experience. But it's rather humbling.
• 1:48:45
  And then you just get to realize, you know, what these
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  people are just like me and we're all in this together and
• 1:48:53
  you're just talking on a bigger platform to your family.
• 1:48:58
  All right, I'm done rambling. So we're going to wind this
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  down. We are brothers, brothers and
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  sisters and the rural craft. Exactly.
• 1:49:08
  I have met some. It really your adopted.
• 1:49:12
  You're adopted. We know.
• 1:49:17
  I'm not gonna say what I'm thinking right now.
• 1:49:19
  We might have to edit it out. You can pretty good.
• 1:49:24
  Not having to edit anything this episode.
• 1:49:26
  No, we've been good. I was just going to say, Bill's
• 1:49:28
  my adopted sugar daddy, but I know it's, you know, we are,
• 1:49:35
  we're one, big family. And I've II love the convention
• 1:49:42
  and the regional conferences atmosphere because you get to
• 1:49:47
  connects with your brothers and sisters from all over.
• 1:49:51
  And you can hear what they're dealing with just as much as you
• 1:49:54
  are. And when you think your office
• 1:49:57
  is bad, trust me. There's always somebody up at
• 1:49:59
  the microphone with something worse than what you're going
• 1:50:02
  through. I have your mind.
• 1:50:05
  I have to remind my co-workers all the time going.
• 1:50:08
  I went through worse at my previous office or I went
• 1:50:11
  through much better, but, trust me, guys, I've had or he's on
• 1:50:15
  the national level. That'll make your head spin.
• 1:50:22
  I got to make a get this coffee. Mugs made up that say, you can't
• 1:50:25
  make this shit up, you know? Exactly.
• 1:50:29
  I mean you really can't. Okay, so we're going to wind
• 1:50:35
  down because we've been on here for a while tonight and James
• 1:50:39
  and he, your final comments and thoughts for the evening.
• 1:50:45
  Well, the reminder to everybody is State conventions are coming
• 1:50:49
  up. So, if you want to attend,
• 1:50:53
  remember that Union activities are one of the few things that
• 1:50:57
  can be approved in extreme Advanced beyond the 60 days and
• 1:51:03
  they should be automatically approved.
• 1:51:05
  As long as there's relief available, that's the hardest
• 1:51:08
  part is having relief available, but talk with your local
• 1:51:13
  designated union. Rep.
• 1:51:14
  If you want to go to your conventions, See what you can do
• 1:51:19
  to get yourself to go to the conventions, whether you take
• 1:51:22
  care of it yourself, or you get paid by your state, or County,
• 1:51:26
  or whatever, to go try and find a way to get there.
• 1:51:30
  Because it's a boatload of information that you can use for
• 1:51:34
  this craft. We're all in this together.
• 1:51:38
  And like I said, the weakest part of the Union is the least
• 1:51:43
  informed member. So get yourself, informed.
• 1:51:46
  Ask questions, get answers, whether your dues paying or not,
• 1:51:53
  you are our brothers and sisters in the rural craft, and we're
• 1:51:56
  here for you. Josh, your turn did. to follow
• 1:52:07
  James a sentiment, you know, like you said, There's a lot of
• 1:52:13
  good information that comes out of the conventions and seminars.
• 1:52:18
  There's also you know that to with Christians ramblings.
• 1:52:23
  There's also in the downtime, go a lot of camaraderie and new
• 1:52:28
  friendships that are made. I made a lot of good friends,
• 1:52:32
  you know, a lot of friends met a lot of people that have been
• 1:52:35
  interacting with the last few years on Facebook at the
• 1:52:40
  National Convention and got to hang out and talk to them and
• 1:52:44
  actually put an actual face. to the comments or the one, you
• 1:52:51
  know, the few that I actually talked to on the phone, you know
• 1:52:55
  to ask questions here are there you know like my cohorts and
• 1:53:00
  said earlier Getting out of the Union.
• 1:53:05
  Isn't the answer getting more getting more involved to the
• 1:53:10
  extent that you can is even if it's just, Filling out the
• 1:53:17
  ballot for National delegates voting on the national contract,
• 1:53:23
  which come February. They're going to start
• 1:53:27
  negotiations for a next contract.
• 1:53:34
  Try and have a good week. If you get overwhelmed, take a
• 1:53:39
  step back, take a deep breath. Get back in there.
• 1:53:44
  We'll see you next time. Elder you're up.
• 1:53:50
  Me, it's my turn. Oh boy, yes, you get to talk,
• 1:53:54
  it's all you. oh, oui We had a association with individual or
• 1:54:07
  while back and it took a bit of a sour turn because of the fact
• 1:54:13
  that we were expected to do things that would jeopardize our
• 1:54:17
  standing in the union and we took the stand that we were not
• 1:54:22
  going to do that because of the fact that we can't fight if we
• 1:54:25
  are outside of the Union, if we are no longer members, you know,
• 1:54:31
  and I do mean members. Because of, you know, the
• 1:54:34
  position that's individuals taking we wouldn't be here
• 1:54:39
  podcasting on our own time, giving you information to help
• 1:54:44
  you do your jobs to help protect yourselves, protect your
• 1:54:47
  paycheck and that's the type of individuals that we have.
• 1:54:52
  Here we are. Let me say it morally and
• 1:54:57
  ethically inclined to be you know the best source possible
• 1:55:04
  for you to get information to help protect your job to help
• 1:55:07
  protect your sanity. And I can say that with complete
• 1:55:12
  confidence and we're entertaining to yes.
• 1:55:16
  But the thing of it is that, you know, we have an obligation to
• 1:55:21
  everybody who listens and and We don't know you all, you don't
• 1:55:26
  know us but we're here for your benefit.
• 1:55:30
  And the only benefit that we can provide is if we're in the
• 1:55:35
  Union. And the union like James would
• 1:55:39
  say is only as strong as its weakest link and you know the
• 1:55:44
  problem with that statement is that often the weakest link is
• 1:55:48
  the one that's never heard from. They're the ones who suffer in
• 1:55:51
  silence and say, oh, well do you you won't do anything or this?
• 1:55:56
  I filed a grievance. It didn't go my way, keep
• 1:55:59
  filing. Okay, don't stop.
• 1:56:02
  Trust me. From a guy who has killed more
• 1:56:04
  trees than the Brazilian Rainforest, filing grievances.
• 1:56:08
  File file, file, protect yourself and up for yourself,
• 1:56:12
  find somebody to stand up for you.
• 1:56:14
  So find somebody to help you and educate, you learn.
• 1:56:19
  I have carriers, my office won't spend five minutes that is day
• 1:56:22
  checking on the resources available to them and they come
• 1:56:25
  running to me and say, bill bill bill.
• 1:56:28
  Well, you know, I gladly answer the questions.
• 1:56:31
  But the fact of the matter is these resources are available to
• 1:56:34
  you if you're in the Union. So folks, if you want to protect
• 1:56:42
  your job, if you want to protect your pay, if you want to protect
• 1:56:45
  your future, then learn about your craft, learn about the
• 1:56:50
  contract, learn the M38. The LM learn about the National
• 1:56:56
  Labor Relations Board in regards to, you know, how you're treated
• 1:56:59
  at work, whether they're withholding pay, any of the
• 1:57:04
  subject matters that concern you can be l've.
• 1:57:08
  If you look into it, don't depend on everybody else to
• 1:57:13
  protect your job. That's not their responsibility
• 1:57:16
  is falls on the you. Like, I always say, go out
• 1:57:22
  there, do the best job you can to the best of your ability, be
• 1:57:25
  safe, go home. Like I say, you're the most
• 1:57:29
  important delivery today. I don't care about the mail.
• 1:57:33
  I don't care about the packages, get home to your loved ones.
• 1:57:37
  That's the most important thing to me.
• 1:57:39
  Because guess what, folks you can't be replaced.
• 1:57:43
  Absolutely, and take everything we say with carrier discretion.
• 1:57:49
  Remember, we are here for entertainment purposes.
• 1:57:52
  Only Royal to, yeah, I may have dipped into that Crown Royal
• 1:58:00
  little too much this evening, but it's all good.
• 1:58:06
  And that note guys, what do you think?
• 1:58:08
  Kristin? What are my thoughts?
• 1:58:10
  Oh, I could go on and on, let's not go that far this week.
• 1:58:22
  And it's spring in full force and I'm loving it though.
• 1:58:28
  I don't really care for the shorts one day and bundle up the
• 1:58:32
  next day. Right now, that's going on in
• 1:58:34
  Northeast Michigan, but goodness again, that is definitely
• 1:58:39
  Michigan. But yeah, definitely, guys go
• 1:58:43
  out there. Do the jobs to your fullest and
• 1:58:46
  best abilities and, you know, get home safely to everyone.
• 1:58:52
  Inventions are coming up. Delegate ballots are out for
• 1:58:54
  National, please vote. That's that's all I ask.
• 1:58:59
  Is that you please vote, even if you only recognize one name on
• 1:59:03
  there. And, you know, you know what, I
• 1:59:06
  really like what this person stands for, then just vote for
• 1:59:09
  the one person. You don't have to vote for
• 1:59:13
  whatever number of delegates that your state gets,
• 1:59:15
  everybody's different based on the number of members in the
• 1:59:19
  state. So, I'm that now everybody have
• 1:59:23
  a good week and we'll see you back next week.