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SMNTY Interviews: Emma Grace the Entomologist · Stuff Mom Never Told You

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  Speaker 1: Hey, this is Annie and Samantha and welcome to stuff.
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  Speaker 2: I never told you a production of iHeart Radio, and
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  Speaker 2: today I am particular am very excited because I'm living
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  Speaker 2: out a dream that I've been trying to make happen
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  Speaker 2: for a while. We are joined by Emma Grace, science
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  Speaker 2: communicator and entomologists. Thank you so much for joining us.
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  Speaker 3: Emma, thank you for letting me be here. Hey.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'll always talk about how I fangrow over certain people,
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  Speaker 1: and Annie's pretty much fangrowing just over your job and
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  Speaker 1: everything else. So we are very excited to finally have
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  Speaker 1: you on because we've been searching for you for a
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  Speaker 1: little while now.
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  Speaker 3: And here I am. I'm here and.
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  Speaker 1: To the magic of podcasting slash our producer Christy.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, because it's kind of become a running joke and
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  Speaker 2: listeners of the show know it since we did our
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  Speaker 2: like one of our first episodes of this year twenty
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  Speaker 2: twenty four, we were doing like what is going to
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  Speaker 2: happen this year? And I brought up cicadas, And now
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  Speaker 2: it's become like every meeting we're in somehow my cicadas.
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  Speaker 2: And our wonderful producer Christina was she was very adamant
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  Speaker 2: I we can find an entomologist to come on and
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  Speaker 2: talk about this, and here you are.
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  Speaker 4: Well, I'm so excited to be here. This is a
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  Speaker 4: huge year for cicadas. This really is their year. So
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  Speaker 4: I'm happy that more people than just me are like
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  Speaker 4: excited about it and talking about it.
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  Speaker 5: Oh my gosh, Yes, I am so much.
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  Speaker 2: And I think this is going to be fun because
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  Speaker 2: Samantha's a bit more reticent with me.
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  Speaker 1: This is what I told Emma Grace from the beginning.
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  Speaker 1: I was like, look, I am, unfortunately the stereotypical girl
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  Speaker 1: who was like, yeah, I'm fine with bugs on the
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  Speaker 1: outside and leave them be, but if they're in my house,
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  Speaker 1: they're in my domain and they can't be there, like
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  Speaker 1: you can't exist here. Just also, I have a whole
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  Speaker 1: thing with the fact that I immediately get eaten up
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  Speaker 1: by any like of those blood sucking insects, whichever, whatever
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  Speaker 1: it may be, whatever it may be. So and Annie
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  Speaker 1: knows this because we were with on a trip and I
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  Speaker 1: was outside getting eaten alive, and Annie was just like,
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  Speaker 1: do do Everything is peaceful and kind. I'm like, I
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  Speaker 1: look like I have leprosy, ma'am. But this is one
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  Speaker 1: sense that I'm like Peace maybe made me their sworn enemy.
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  Speaker 1: So for me, bugs are not the most flood But
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  Speaker 1: because of Annie, my world has been turned upside down
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  Speaker 1: with cicada talk. When I'm talking about tiktoks and the
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  Speaker 1: amount of cicada information that I'm getting, like I don't
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  Speaker 1: want it, but it's there. I am fascinated. So I
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  Speaker 1: know this is going to be a whole learning curve
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  Speaker 1: from me.
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  Speaker 3: Well, I'm excited.
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  Speaker 4: I'm I'm excited to share what I have about cicada's bugs,
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  Speaker 4: really anything that we want to get into. But it
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  Speaker 4: really is like a huge talking point right now. I
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  Speaker 4: feel like I'm seeing it everywhere on TikTok news. Media
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  Speaker 4: are covering it. They're calling it like cicada apocalypse. They're
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  Speaker 4: calling it. You know, I've seen cicata get in, which
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  Speaker 4: I thought was kind of funny. Oh yeah, it's everywhere.
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  Speaker 4: So please, I'm excited to be here. Thanks for letting
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  Speaker 4: you get to talk about bugs. This is what I
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  Speaker 4: love to do.
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  Speaker 5: Oh thank you.
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  Speaker 2: And we are going to talk about cicadas, but first
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  Speaker 2: we've got a little bit ahead of ourselves.
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  Speaker 5: Can you please introduce yourself to our listeners?
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  Speaker 3: Absolutely.
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  Speaker 4: My name is Emma Grace. I'm an entomologist and science communicator.
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  Speaker 4: I got all my formal training from the University of Georgia.
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  Speaker 4: Go Dogs, So I went to school to study bugs.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, represent right here.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, social work completely different, but.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, there.
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  Speaker 3: A bug's the mascot.
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  Speaker 6: So you're still here, you're with us, Yeah, that's true,
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  Speaker 6: that's true. But I went to school to study bugs,
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  Speaker 6: and then since then, I've gotten to explore entomology in
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  Speaker 6: a couple different ways, which has been exciting for me.
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  Speaker 6: I think a lot of people go into research when
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  Speaker 6: they do entomology, but I've always been fascinated with outreach education,
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  Speaker 6: science communication. So I've traveled around. I've kind of stayed
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  Speaker 6: in Georgia as I've been exploring where I want to
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  Speaker 6: be and what i want to do. I've traveled around
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  Speaker 6: to a couple different places, and in all the roles
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  Speaker 6: I've taken on since graduating, I've gotten to connect with communities.
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  Speaker 6: I've gotten to connect with industry professionals and also students
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  Speaker 6: to try and get people just excited to learn about
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  Speaker 6: bugs or just consider bugs maybe in a different way
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  Speaker 6: than they did before.
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  Speaker 5: Yes, I love it.
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  Speaker 2: I love it so much, and so obviously on this
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  Speaker 2: podcast we talk a lot about women in various industries
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  Speaker 2: and fields, and so I wanted to move into that
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  Speaker 2: now because we recently I have been very desperate to
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  Speaker 2: talk about bugs and cicadas for a while, and we
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  Speaker 2: recently did an episode kind of looking into that. So
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  Speaker 2: I would love to get your perspective on that. But first, like,
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  Speaker 2: it sounds like you got into this line of work
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  Speaker 2: just because you were interested, But can you tell us
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  Speaker 2: was there any like particular reason what propelled you to
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  Speaker 2: get into this line of work.
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  Speaker 4: Absolutely so in talking to all the other insects scientists
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  Speaker 4: an entomologists that I know, what I have found is
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  Speaker 4: that people become an entomologist in one of two ways.
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  Speaker 4: Either they were super into bugs as a kid and
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  Speaker 4: they were playing in the dirt and they were collecting
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  Speaker 4: bugs and that was all they were about and they
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  Speaker 4: knew from like an early age that's what they wanted
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  Speaker 4: to do. Or they accidentally fell into it. And that
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  Speaker 4: was the case for me. I didn't even know you
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  Speaker 4: could be an entomologist growing up. I always loved the outdoors,
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  Speaker 4: I loved science, and I knew I wanted to be
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  Speaker 4: a scientist, but I had no idea what I wanted
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  Speaker 4: to do. And for some perspective, my grandparents and my
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  Speaker 4: parents have always been super influential in like my interests
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  Speaker 4: and what I'm into. One set of grandparents they live
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  Speaker 4: on a farm, so they're outside all the time, They're
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  Speaker 4: with animals all the time. We always got to like
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  Speaker 4: be with animals as kids. And then the other set
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  Speaker 4: of grandparents worked for the CDC and so they would
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  Speaker 4: travel around the world and do health promotion. So when
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  Speaker 4: I got to college, I was like, well, I guess
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  Speaker 4: I want to mix maybe those two things. I'd love
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  Speaker 4: to do something with, like infectious diseases and animals. And
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  Speaker 4: I found out we had an entomology course, and in
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  Speaker 4: my head that made sense. I was like, Oh, I
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  Speaker 4: could learn about the animal that spreads diseases, And then
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  Speaker 4: something clicked. I sat in that class every day and
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  Speaker 4: was just fascinated by everything I learned, and I was
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  Speaker 4: wondering why more people weren't doing this as either research
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  Speaker 4: or as a job or just for fun. And then
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  Speaker 4: from there I just became even more excited about bugs.
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  Speaker 4: I don't think there's been a day really since like
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  Speaker 4: my first year of college that I haven't stopped thinking
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  Speaker 4: about bugs or being excited to talk about insects and
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  Speaker 4: arthropl So my journey's a little different than others. I
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  Speaker 4: think you'll find every entomologist is. But that's how I
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  Speaker 4: got into this field.
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  Speaker 1: It makes perfect sense of like it's like a perfect
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  Speaker 1: melding of both of your like ancestral upbringing, your grandparents
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  Speaker 1: being in both of these areas, which is fascinating because yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I would have never thought of this as a field.
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  Speaker 1: As in fact, I will say it. I will talk
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  Speaker 1: about my ignorance of like I originally was like insect scientists,
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  Speaker 1: what is that? And like it took me entomologists. That's
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  Speaker 1: the thing. Yeah, is a thing. Yeah, that's a thing.
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  Speaker 1: Like having an argument in my head, I'm like, did
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  Speaker 1: I make up with this word? Or is it just
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  Speaker 1: insects scientist? I'm just gonna know, just kidding, because it's
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  Speaker 1: such a whole, like not a niche, but such a
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  Speaker 1: like specific science, and it's so important obviously if we
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  Speaker 1: talk about when it comes to as you talked about
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  Speaker 1: infectious diseases and overall, like when we talk about life
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  Speaker 1: like agriculture and being able to pollinate, we know the importance,
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  Speaker 1: and there obviously has to be someone who studies.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, so thank you. Yeah, Oh my gosh, it's my
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  Speaker 4: It's literally my pleasure. You fall in love with these
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  Speaker 4: creatures the more you like study them and get to
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  Speaker 4: know them.
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  Speaker 3: But I know what you mean.
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  Speaker 4: Not everybody is a big bug fan, and like even
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  Speaker 4: growing up, like my parents, they love what I do.
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  Speaker 4: Now they're super supported. But I will say my mom
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  Speaker 4: she was a literature teacher and English teacher, and when
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  Speaker 4: I first declared my major, she thought I was an entomologist,
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  Speaker 4: and so she was very excited for me. She was like, yes, literature,
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  Speaker 4: and then when I explained I was an entomologist, she
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  Speaker 4: was still proud of me. But it definitely was a
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  Speaker 4: little bit of getting used to your type thing.
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  Speaker 1: I was like, I'll have to rearrange my thought process. Okay, yes, cool,
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  Speaker 1: this is another.
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  Speaker 2: Thing that's a really good I can see that being
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  Speaker 2: a really good like mini series, a.
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  Speaker 1: Whole episode on a sitcom.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, yeah it is. It definitely feels like that, doesn't it.
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  Speaker 2: Yes. Oh okay, So there are so many things I
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  Speaker 2: want to ask you, but yes, one of them is
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  Speaker 2: given this kind of accidental journey into where you are now.
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  Speaker 2: Are there any people that you looked up to or
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  Speaker 2: inspired you in the field or not in the field,
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  Speaker 2: I guess now or in the past.
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  Speaker 3: Absolutely.
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  Speaker 4: So, There's been a lot of really important academic figures
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  Speaker 4: that I've gotten to work with as I've kind of
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  Speaker 4: gone through my journey as an entomologist. I would say,
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  Speaker 4: in the realm of bug science and insects science, some
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  Speaker 4: of the really iconic entomologists like EO. Wilson comes to mind,
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  Speaker 4: super super iconic entomologist and like really pivotal for the field.
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  Speaker 4: But even more locally, at EGA, I was really gifted
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  Speaker 4: with such a great department that was full of different individuals,
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  Speaker 4: all specializing in different things that were able to help
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  Speaker 4: me figure out just what I liked and what I
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  Speaker 4: didn't like. In particular, one of my professors, her name
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  Speaker 4: was doctor Shaw. She was so important for me because
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  Speaker 4: she was the first woman that I ever.
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  Speaker 3: Saw in entomology.
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  Speaker 4: And not only was she an entomologist, but she was
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  Speaker 4: also a communicator and she was really involved in outreaching
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  Speaker 4: education and she to me was like real life Miss Frizzle,
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  Speaker 4: Like she like was all about wearing bug clothes and
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  Speaker 4: doing bug events. And eating bug cookies and doing all
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  Speaker 4: and it just it gave me so much excitement because
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  Speaker 4: it totally validated what I was feeling of being interested
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  Speaker 4: in bugs but them being like a little weirded out,
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  Speaker 4: because you know, there really aren't a ton of girls
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  Speaker 4: all the time that are interested in entomology. But she
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  Speaker 4: was a really important icon for me as I was
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  Speaker 4: going through my study. So I'm really glad I got
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  Speaker 4: to work with her and side notes, she also gave
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  Speaker 4: me my first job in entomology. At Uga, there is
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  Speaker 4: an insect zoo, and so I got to work in
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  Speaker 4: the insect zoo as a zoo keeper.
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  Speaker 3: And a manager.
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  Speaker 4: So I was playing with bugs every day, teaching people
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  Speaker 4: about bugs.
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  Speaker 3: It was my favorite thing. So I'm very grateful for her.
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  Speaker 1: How did I not know that was a zoo?
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  Speaker 4: Like it's a little hit.
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  Speaker 1: I can't imagine I could. To be fair, I didn't
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  Speaker 1: know about the cow. I don't think it exists anymore.
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  Speaker 1: There was a cow, you know what I'm talking about,
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  Speaker 1: immigrace not that's what I'm talking about. A lot later
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  Speaker 1: and I had vet friends and there's this infamous cow
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  Speaker 1: that has a I'm not gonna say it anyway, But
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  Speaker 1: it was just like wow, like the legends of things
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  Speaker 1: that happened on campus that I didn't realize until much
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  Speaker 1: later that I was like.
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  Speaker 7: Man, what is this?
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  Speaker 1: But you know, I do have a specific question because
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  Speaker 1: you talked about how you kind of got into it
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  Speaker 1: with a class as an entomologist. Do you have a specialty?
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  Speaker 1: Are you looking at something very specific right now? And
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  Speaker 1: what is it?
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  Speaker 3: That's a great question.
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  Speaker 4: I'm very fascinatd No, That's an awesome question because that's
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  Speaker 4: usually what happens with entomologists, is they kind of you
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  Speaker 4: kind of have to specialize in something. So right now
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  Speaker 4: I'm still keeping it a little bit more general. But
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  Speaker 4: in recent years my focus has really been mosquitos and
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  Speaker 4: ticks in particular, how like homeowners can kind of do
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  Speaker 4: mosquito and to control themselves. So part of what I
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  Speaker 4: do as a science communicators. I work with different control agencies,
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  Speaker 4: whether that's like different mosquito control companies or different major
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  Speaker 4: past control companies, and I helped train their technicians on
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  Speaker 4: how to actually go out and like communicate with homeowners,
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  Speaker 4: communicate with customers, assess an area, and see what control
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  Speaker 4: efforts can be made before we're laying down some kind
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  Speaker 4: of product or chemical. So that's what I've been doing recently.
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  Speaker 4: And then I'm also very into butterflies that I did
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  Speaker 4: a big year long study of butterflies. I worked in
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  Speaker 4: a tropical butterfly conservatory, so I got to see them
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  Speaker 4: as they.
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  Speaker 3: Were developing through their metamorphosis.
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  Speaker 4: I got to work with them really intimately. So that's
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  Speaker 4: also a little bit of background I have that I
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  Speaker 4: would say is kind of like a specialty.
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  Speaker 1: Oh dang, that's really important in the State of Georgia
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  Speaker 1: when it comes to like mosquitoes and techs. We know
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  Speaker 1: for sure, by the way, I need your number information
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  Speaker 1: as I live here. And yeah, anyway, because that is
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  Speaker 1: also it's a very big conversation about what is happening
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  Speaker 1: with diseases when it comes to like pet ownership as
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  Speaker 1: well as individual ownership. Ticks have been a huge problem
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  Speaker 1: within the State of Georgia everywhere we know, any wooded area.
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  Speaker 1: But I know that's the whole thing because of things
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  Speaker 1: like lime disease and different types of diseases that happen
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  Speaker 1: with again like your pets and such. So I cannot
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  Speaker 1: imagine the amount of like researcher having to do, especially
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  Speaker 1: again here in Georgia.
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  Speaker 4: No, for sure, and it's I mean, it's kind of exciting.
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  Speaker 4: It's it's fun to be an entomologist because this is
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  Speaker 4: about the season of the year where everyone starts dreading
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  Speaker 4: bugs coming out. But it's the season where I start
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  Speaker 4: getting excited because this is where we start to see
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  Speaker 4: if some of those control efforts we're trying out are
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  Speaker 4: actually going to work or actually going to be implemented.
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  Speaker 4: So it definitely is important. And I think that's also
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  Speaker 4: why I like being in this field, is because not
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  Speaker 4: only am I looking at such like unique organisms and
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  Speaker 4: unique animals, but there's always room to learn, there's always
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  Speaker 4: things to do, and it has a big impact, like
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  Speaker 4: you said, whether it's on disease and health, whether it's
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  Speaker 4: on pollinators in agriculture, there are large impacts of this
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  Speaker 4: kind of work. I like it something I like.
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  Speaker 2: I think that's so important for people to remember because like,
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  Speaker 2: for instance, I also work on a food show, and
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  Speaker 2: the amount of times I've heard food producers express worry
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  Speaker 2: about bees or pests or any kind of thing, like,
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  Speaker 2: it's huge. It is such an impact that I think
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  Speaker 2: a lot of people don't necessarily consider all of the time,
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  Speaker 2: and there are so many amazing things about bugs that
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  Speaker 2: I love, and some of them are terrifying, right, Like,
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  Speaker 2: I totally get it, some of them are scary. But
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  Speaker 2: that being said, are is there any like bug fact
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  Speaker 2: you love to hand out at like parties, like your favorite.
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  Speaker 1: A conversation starter?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, knowing there is one, that's the thing.
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  Speaker 3: There is one.
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  Speaker 4: So if anybody is listening that has ever met me,
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  Speaker 4: I'm sure you've already heard this. But my favorite, like
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  Speaker 4: go to icebreaker bug fact is about dragonflies. So dragonflies
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  Speaker 4: are really cool because they're a semi aquatic insect, which
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  Speaker 4: maybe you don't really realize until you start thinking about it.
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  Speaker 4: You always see them around bodies of water like lakes, ponds,
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  Speaker 4: things like that. But they spend that first half their
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  Speaker 4: life completely underwater, and they are ferocious when they're underwater.
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  Speaker 3: That's sean.
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  Speaker 4: They're kind of are.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I just want to say, this is why
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  Speaker 1: I have problems with easy insects, are like, why are
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  Speaker 1: you coming after me?
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  Speaker 7: Well, I mean they're just doing their dragonflies.
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  Speaker 1: They are ferocious, Like they just cut of rubble you
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  Speaker 1: and be like I can take you out if I
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  Speaker 1: want to.
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  Speaker 4: They're kind of crazy too, because like dragonflies in particular
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  Speaker 4: are so chunky when they're in their aquatic nymphase. If
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  Speaker 4: you're fine when they're so chunky and big. But the
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  Speaker 4: kinds of things they eat when they're underwater. They're carnivores,
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  Speaker 4: so they're eating like other fish, they're eating other insects,
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  Speaker 4: they're eating each other. But fun facts that I always
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  Speaker 4: like to share is if that wasn't fun enough, right,
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  Speaker 4: is the way they eat you should look at an image.
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  Speaker 3: It's so cool.
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  Speaker 4: Is they essentially have a jaw that they can unhinge,
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  Speaker 4: so their jaw kind of unhinges and elongates and then
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  Speaker 4: grabs onto a prey in order to eat it. And
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  Speaker 4: then you think of dragonflies. You go into like a
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  Speaker 4: you know, a store and you see pretty dragonfly pictures
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  Speaker 4: on like everything, right, but before they get those wings,
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  Speaker 4: they're kind of ferocious.
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  Speaker 3: They're kind of wild.
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  Speaker 1: I feel like the ferocious all the time. I'm just
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  Speaker 1: thinking about like if I'm outside swimming and they're there,
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  Speaker 1: they don't leave you alone. They're just mean. They're like, yeah,
• 16:34
  Speaker 1: this is my territory. I'm gonna take you out. And
• 16:36
  Speaker 1: now that I know there are jaws unhinted, like you
• 16:38
  Speaker 1: are literal monsters.
• 16:40
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean there's something else. There's something else.
• 16:43
  Speaker 5: I'm starting to think, Samantha, you have particularly angered the
• 16:48
  Speaker 5: bugs in a past.
• 16:49
  Speaker 1: Life, for we were like in Amazing Maybe I was
• 16:53
  Speaker 1: a bug. I don't know, but look, I think this
• 17:00
  Speaker 1: is what it is about insects, and you can tell
• 17:02
  Speaker 1: me if I'm wrong, Emma Gray. Is that they are
• 17:05
  Speaker 1: so not like the creatures are not talked about it enough,
• 17:09
  Speaker 1: Like they're not like the dogs or when we get
• 17:11
  Speaker 1: fun facts about otters or something like that, that when
• 17:14
  Speaker 1: you find something out about them, it's so like beyond
• 17:18
  Speaker 1: what you expect that they become a legend in your mind.
• 17:21
  Speaker 1: And they're like, this is what if they were our size,
• 17:24
  Speaker 1: we would all be extinct. Like that's what I think.
• 17:27
  Speaker 1: And I think they're so mean and they're literally one
• 17:31
  Speaker 1: one thousand of my size, one one millionth of my size,
• 17:34
  Speaker 1: but you're still somehow so mean and aggressive. This is
• 17:37
  Speaker 1: why I'm like, I feel like.
• 17:40
  Speaker 4: They're on their own path. They have their own missions,
• 17:43
  Speaker 4: you know, like our mission in life is like for
• 17:45
  Speaker 4: comfort and enjoyment and aesthetic, right, and the bugs don't
• 17:49
  Speaker 4: care about that, they're doing their own missions, so they
• 17:51
  Speaker 4: don't care.
• 17:53
  Speaker 1: They don't care, And it's kind of like how they
• 17:54
  Speaker 1: camouflage themselves so that you have ladybugs who are supposed
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: to be so cute and all these things, and then
• 17:59
  Speaker 1: you have what I was like, the Asian version that
• 18:02
  Speaker 1: they're mean and they look a lot like and I'm like,
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: that's the first of all, that's racist.
• 18:05
  Speaker 5: I'm just kidding.
• 18:06
  Speaker 1: Second of all, Second of all, why are you so
• 18:09
  Speaker 1: mean and camouflage to look like the sweet one?
• 18:11
  Speaker 4: No, that is true. Well, I will say in defensive
• 18:14
  Speaker 4: Asian lady bules, they're less mean and more annoying. I think,
• 18:18
  Speaker 4: I don't know if that's better.
• 18:19
  Speaker 7: Okay, but.
• 18:23
  Speaker 1: Apparently I had a lot of hostility towards some types
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: of bugs and I didn't realize it until you came.
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: And I apologize in advance. Well i'll apologize now because
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: it's not advanced and the grace as I am discovering
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: my own angst in this. But that is an amazing
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: fact and horrifying at the same time.
• 18:41
  Speaker 4: And you really should look up images. It's so it's
• 18:43
  Speaker 4: so crazy, and I want to touch on something that
• 18:46
  Speaker 4: you kind of brought up or a theme you brought up.
• 18:48
  Speaker 4: But I think that's also why it's so fascinating to
• 18:50
  Speaker 4: think more critically about bugs and kind of look at
• 18:52
  Speaker 4: bugs in a different light, because they really are the
• 18:55
  Speaker 4: closest things we have to like extra terrestrials. You know,
• 18:58
  Speaker 4: if you look at a lot of like sci fi movies,
• 19:00
  Speaker 4: a lot of science fiction, a lot of like alien design,
• 19:02
  Speaker 4: it's all based on insects because they look so different.
• 19:05
  Speaker 4: They don't look like us. They're not as predictable or
• 19:07
  Speaker 4: cute as dogs and cats, right, and like each insect
• 19:11
  Speaker 4: is doing its own thing.
• 19:12
  Speaker 3: It's so fascinating.
• 19:13
  Speaker 4: Ladybugs are totally different than cicada's totally different than dragonflies,
• 19:16
  Speaker 4: than mosquitoes, but they're all still animals.
• 19:19
  Speaker 3: It's so fascinating. I could go on and on.
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: Well, I feel like there's been things creatures are like
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: these could have been dinosaurs, Like these are the closest
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: things to dinosaurs in a way, in that predatory ways
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: or whatever whatnot, which is also one I'm like. And
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: there's again millions of them, so you never know. And
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: I'm sure you can tell me you're discovering new species
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: or like new threads of types of lace. Or we're
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: having a moment where they all come together in one
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: big breed and take over the world. Cicadas. Wow, I
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: have a feeling, I have some I have some feelings
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: about this pion do.
• 20:00
  Speaker 2: I have to say, I love that you brought up
• 20:01
  Speaker 2: like and we are going to come back to this
• 20:03
  Speaker 2: at the end because I love horror movies as well,
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: and I love a lot of things where in the
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: end it'll the director, creator whoever will say like, yeah,
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: I based it off of this bug, or I based
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: it off of this behavior in bugs, and I'm so
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: cool terrifying, and.
• 20:21
  Speaker 5: I love it.
• 20:22
  Speaker 3: It's so cool.
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: Yes, yes, Well, I also did want to come back
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: to what we were mentioning earlier about women in entomology
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: and how it's still mostly men who are getting the
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: credit and attention. That was what one of our recent
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: episodes was about. Recent numbers indicate it's twenty five percent
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: women compared to seventy five percent men, though the numbers
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: for women can be much lower in educational spaces. So
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: I wanted to ask, has that been your experience?
• 20:55
  Speaker 3: So it's a funny question. It's it's funny because this
• 21:00
  Speaker 3: is such.
• 21:00
  Speaker 4: A small field, right, So my personal experience could just
• 21:06
  Speaker 4: be confirmation bias. It could just be because of the
• 21:08
  Speaker 4: circles that I was in. In my small experience through this,
• 21:11
  Speaker 4: I think my cohort only had like maybe fifteen people
• 21:15
  Speaker 4: that graduated in my year, you know what I mean.
• 21:16
  Speaker 4: So it's my experience going through academia was a lot
• 21:19
  Speaker 4: smaller than other fields maybe. But the reason I bring
• 21:22
  Speaker 4: that up is because when I was in school studying
• 21:25
  Speaker 4: and even when I did some like different academic research opportunities,
• 21:29
  Speaker 4: I was down at Georgia Southern for a little while
• 21:31
  Speaker 4: in a forensic entomology lab, and in academia, from what
• 21:34
  Speaker 4: I've seen, it's always been more women in entomology than
• 21:38
  Speaker 4: it has been men. However, when I've gotten to the
• 21:42
  Speaker 4: workforce and when I've actually talked with researchers or for instance,
• 21:45
  Speaker 4: earlier this year, I went to an entomology conference with
• 21:49
  Speaker 4: some like industry professionals, and that was very apparent that
• 21:53
  Speaker 4: I was one of the only women that was actually
• 21:56
  Speaker 4: in that field and present. And I had a good
• 21:58
  Speaker 4: time at the conference. I still learned a lot, but
• 22:00
  Speaker 4: there were moments where I definitely felt I was being
• 22:03
  Speaker 4: viewed more as a woman and not as a colleague
• 22:05
  Speaker 4: or a peer or a scientist, which is unfortunate, But
• 22:10
  Speaker 4: I will say I think I'm hopeful with what I've
• 22:12
  Speaker 4: seen going through school and so what I'm seeing with
• 22:14
  Speaker 4: like the next generation of entomologists, and then also how
• 22:17
  Speaker 4: things like TikTok, Instagram, social media are starting to make
• 22:20
  Speaker 4: this information more accessible. I follow a lot of different
• 22:23
  Speaker 4: creators online that are in the science space, maybe not
• 22:26
  Speaker 4: just talking about bugs, but talking about ecology or biology,
• 22:29
  Speaker 4: and a lot of them, a lot of them are
• 22:31
  Speaker 4: women or are you know, female presenting or identifying, And
• 22:35
  Speaker 4: it's really just it's affirming for me because I think
• 22:38
  Speaker 4: there is I think when you grow up, if you
• 22:40
  Speaker 4: like things that are gross, like worms or roaches or slugs,
• 22:45
  Speaker 4: it's just not like you hear it all the time.
• 22:47
  Speaker 4: It's not ladylike, right, And it's unfortunate. I think that
• 22:50
  Speaker 4: really maybe stifles that creativity and that fascination in entomology.
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: You know, as you talk about that. Yeah, most of
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: the content that I've gotten about as a cade and
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: anything from TikTok has been from women. I didn't even
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: like catch on to it, but now that I'm thinking
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: about the one people who are talking about it. The
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: most as recently except for one person has been women,
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: and the one person was because they were had an
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: influx of cicadas and asking what was happening, like they
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: were not sure, but it was happening on their property,
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: so they weren't coming from a scientific perspective. They were
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: asking questions about it. And that's the only like man
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: that I've seen actually talking about this, So that that
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: is fascinating to hear. To know that those who were
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: I don't know, it seemed like maybe like they're carrying
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: and learning more maybe towards that way, and it's it
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: is a growing field into that world, which is fascinating.
• 23:42
  Speaker 4: So I'm interested to see, like, as you know, this
• 23:46
  Speaker 4: field continues to progress and as time goes on, whether
• 23:48
  Speaker 4: or not those percentages maybe even out a little bit more.
• 23:51
  Speaker 4: But again, it's such a niche field. It's so small
• 23:54
  Speaker 4: that it could just be the pockets that I was
• 23:55
  Speaker 4: interacting with. That's what I experienced both in school, but
• 23:58
  Speaker 4: even like in my job and in my career, it
• 24:02
  Speaker 4: can it can just be those particular moments.
• 24:04
  Speaker 3: So love to see.
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm hopeful that it is shifting and going back
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: to a point you brought up later or later earlier.
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: I did read in a lot of places that there
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: was like an ick factor that hit in like in
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: middle school, where girls were almost socialized to be like, Okay,
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: bugs are gross. I don't like bugs. It's sort of
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: a trope, a stereotype that, in a very heterosexual sense,
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: you get your dude to get the spider if you're
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: like a friend, and that that has legitimately in like
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: academic papers, this came up as being something that is
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: in somewhere or another deterring women and girls from being
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: entomologist or going at all. Even thinking about it, does
• 24:57
  Speaker 2: that like bring true to you?
• 24:58
  Speaker 5: Does that make sense.
• 25:00
  Speaker 4: Thinking about like middle schoolers, That absolutely makes sense. So
• 25:04
  Speaker 4: part of the work that I do is I do
• 25:05
  Speaker 4: a lot of like communication with like field trip groups,
• 25:08
  Speaker 4: or I'll go to schools and explain bugs, or I'll
• 25:10
  Speaker 4: connect with different schools online and do like a remote
• 25:13
  Speaker 4: presentation or something. And yeah, it's hard because that's such
• 25:16
  Speaker 4: a you know, volatile age range, because like you are
• 25:20
  Speaker 4: so worried about being judged by your peers, and you're
• 25:23
  Speaker 4: so worried about like how to identify yourself and how
• 25:26
  Speaker 4: to you know, find your interests in who you're turning into.
• 25:30
  Speaker 4: So I definitely think that rings true. But I think
• 25:33
  Speaker 4: that trying to have people in the field that are
• 25:35
  Speaker 4: a little bit more appealing to young girls, So whether
• 25:39
  Speaker 4: that's women that are entomologists or just just showing off
• 25:41
  Speaker 4: the feats of women in this field, I think can
• 25:44
  Speaker 4: help encourage those girls that are interested in bugs to
• 25:47
  Speaker 4: continue pursuing that interest.
• 25:49
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I think so. I think so.
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: Like looking back, there's been several instances in my life
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: where someone who was very excited about something, who was
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: a woman showed up at my school and then I
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: was like, yes, I'm not the only one who's excited
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: about this.
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: Representation matters.
• 26:13
  Speaker 4: You just unlocked a memory for me, like by saying that.
• 26:17
  Speaker 4: So I went to an all girls summer camp when
• 26:19
  Speaker 4: I was younger. I went for like every year, every summer,
• 26:21
  Speaker 4: but I remember one summer there was I think we
• 26:24
  Speaker 4: just called her the bug Lady, but she came and
• 26:26
  Speaker 4: like just taught us different insect things. One thing that
• 26:29
  Speaker 4: like I loved, but probably a lot of like I
• 26:32
  Speaker 4: don't know if the other girls like this or not,
• 26:33
  Speaker 4: but I thought it was really cool. Is like we
• 26:35
  Speaker 4: went out to a field at night. We took our flashlights,
• 26:38
  Speaker 4: turn them on and then you hold them against the
• 26:39
  Speaker 4: side of your face. The light is flashing outward. You're
• 26:42
  Speaker 4: not blinding yourself. But if you look around in the grass,
• 26:45
  Speaker 4: you'll start to see all these sparkles, like little glittery sparkles,
• 26:48
  Speaker 4: and it looks really pretty. And then she explained to
• 26:51
  Speaker 4: us that those are spider eyes. Those are all spiders
• 26:53
  Speaker 4: in the grass.
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: And a lot of reactions to this is so different
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: from me.
• 27:03
  Speaker 3: But that was a cool moment for me.
• 27:05
  Speaker 7: And I'm never going to outside again.
• 27:08
  Speaker 5: I'm like, let me get there immediately.
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: I'm so sorry, keep going in.
• 27:15
  Speaker 4: That was a cool moment for me. I think I
• 27:17
  Speaker 4: was Annie and I were on the same wavelength there
• 27:19
  Speaker 4: where I.
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: Was like you and I'm look at like if we
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: had a steal of the moment you say this, and
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: Annie's face and then my face was like, oh we
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: do was just fascinating and terrifying for me. But that's
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: that's an amazing core memory.
• 27:37
  Speaker 3: You just like totally unlocked it.
• 27:38
  Speaker 4: Because I don't know why I haven't thought of that recently,
• 27:41
  Speaker 4: but thank you for giving me that memory back.
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: And this is just something that like I'm thinking because
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: when I think about like again, this is when I
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: see TikTok or even like educational things. When I see
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: people talking about environmental issues and insects and the importance,
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: I honestly see a lot more women or like especially
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: like a feminist level of women to talking about these
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: issues more than I do men. I see when it
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: comes to like hunting and like like killing things and
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: like or something that's going to kill you type of thing,
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: I see a lot more men speaking on it. I
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: feel like this may be a dynamic because especially with
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: like the bees and the conversations of the bees, I
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: feel like I've seen more women talking about how to
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: save the bees and being like the bee charming type
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: of thing and being able to like take a whole
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: nests and helping them and relocating them without killing them.
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: And then if I see have conversations about like dirt dobberds,
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: which have no real benefits to helping anything that's causing
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: like chaos, I see a lot more men talking about
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: how to get rid of them. And it may be
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: the algorithm that I'm at, but it's interesting to talk
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: about because we've also talked about the fact that when
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: it comes to environmentalists and people who are talking about
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: climate change and activism, we see a lot more women talking,
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: and we see a lot more women, especially mars, less
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: women being at the front marginals people being at the
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: front of it. So I feel like I could go
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: hand in hand when it talks about the types of
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: specialties and the types of conversations we see in entomology. Again,
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: this is just workshopping and just seeing my own like
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: perspective now a kind of interesting conversation.
• 29:15
  Speaker 4: I think that does bring up something interesting that that
• 29:19
  Speaker 4: would be interesting. I've never thought of it in that
• 29:20
  Speaker 4: lighter looked at it before, but even like going even
• 29:23
  Speaker 4: more granular in entomology that maybe more women that are
• 29:26
  Speaker 4: in entomology feel, I don't know, some kind of draw
• 29:30
  Speaker 4: or pressure to talk about quote unquote nicer bugs, right,
• 29:33
  Speaker 4: so these beneficial insects, beneficial pollinators, beneficial whatever versus, Like,
• 29:37
  Speaker 4: maybe it's still stigmatized. The's still not very like, you know,
• 29:41
  Speaker 4: appropriate for girls to talk about like roaches or talk
• 29:44
  Speaker 4: about fleas or talk about bed bugs or whatever.
• 29:46
  Speaker 3: So that's fascinating.
• 29:47
  Speaker 4: I'll have to think about that as I'm kind of
• 29:48
  Speaker 4: consuming content now in the next few days and.
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: Then you'll be coming back to us and let us
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: know I'm making this happen.
• 30:00
  Speaker 5: I love it.
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: Okay, well we've got to talk about cicadas. We've got too.
• 30:16
  Speaker 4: This is.
• 30:18
  Speaker 2: I don't know if you know this, immigrats. One of
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: my first things I did when I started doing podcasts
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: was an episode on cicadas. I was but a young
• 30:28
  Speaker 2: college student, and I was fascinated. I was so fascinated
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: about just how strange this is, like the timing of
• 30:40
  Speaker 2: it and how they work. I love the whole thing.
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: And as listeners, as poor Samanthonos, Yes, there is a
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: rare double brood happening this year, So can you break
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: down what that means and kind of just cicadas their
• 30:57
  Speaker 2: whole thing in general.
• 30:59
  Speaker 4: Yeah. Absolutely, So the double brood event is really really,
• 31:04
  Speaker 4: really special, and I'm happy that we're calling it a
• 31:06
  Speaker 4: double brood event. Like I said, it's been so sensationalized.
• 31:09
  Speaker 4: A lot of people are calling it a cicada apocalypse
• 31:11
  Speaker 4: or making it sound really dangerous, but in fact, this
• 31:14
  Speaker 4: is really fascinating. So these brood cicadas, right, these are
• 31:19
  Speaker 4: the cicadas that come out in the US, and they
• 31:21
  Speaker 4: come out in these different intervals, either thirteen years or
• 31:24
  Speaker 4: seventeen years. Now, even aside from that thirteen and seventeen year,
• 31:29
  Speaker 4: we have other types of cicadas. We have annual cicadas
• 31:32
  Speaker 4: that come out no matter what, but these broods are
• 31:35
  Speaker 4: a little bit special. So these different broods of cicadas,
• 31:37
  Speaker 4: they're a combination of different cicicada species, and the idea
• 31:41
  Speaker 4: is that they come out at these different time intervals
• 31:44
  Speaker 4: kind of sporadically throughout the US. Now, why this year
• 31:47
  Speaker 4: is so interesting is because not only is it a
• 31:50
  Speaker 4: brood year, but we have these two broods coming out
• 31:52
  Speaker 4: at the same time. So one of them is a
• 31:55
  Speaker 4: thirteen year brood and one is a seventeen year brood.
• 31:58
  Speaker 4: They're coming out at the same time. Their emergence is
• 32:00
  Speaker 4: timing up, and we have not seen that since I
• 32:03
  Speaker 4: think it's eighteen oh three. I made the connection earlier today.
• 32:06
  Speaker 4: I'm a big musical theater fan that like that was
• 32:09
  Speaker 4: when what Thomas Jefferson was in office, like Hamilton the
• 32:12
  Speaker 4: election of eighteen hundred. Anyway, it was I was like,
• 32:16
  Speaker 4: that's so fascinating think about But we have these two
• 32:19
  Speaker 4: broods of cicadas that are coming out at the same time. Now,
• 32:22
  Speaker 4: they're not going to be coming out and overlapping all
• 32:25
  Speaker 4: across the US. There's only going to be a couple
• 32:27
  Speaker 4: specific regions that will experience both broods at.
• 32:31
  Speaker 3: The same time.
• 32:32
  Speaker 4: But just the fact that they're both emerging and that
• 32:34
  Speaker 4: the timelines matched up is pretty phenomenal, and it's enough
• 32:37
  Speaker 4: to get entomologists like me pretty excited about it. I've
• 32:40
  Speaker 4: been trying to also consume a lot of cicada content
• 32:43
  Speaker 4: just to see what it's looking like and sounding like
• 32:45
  Speaker 4: in different parts of Georgia and the US.
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so where in Georgia will we see these broods happening?
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: So I cannot be there?
• 32:56
  Speaker 4: Well, that's an interesting question. It depends. It's really interesting
• 33:00
  Speaker 4: because it depends on the map you look at, and
• 33:01
  Speaker 4: I guess it also depends on how often you're deciding
• 33:04
  Speaker 4: to go outside right now. But it's hard because both
• 33:07
  Speaker 4: of these cicadas they take such a long time to
• 33:09
  Speaker 4: come out that the data that we're looking at from
• 33:10
  Speaker 4: the last time either of these broods emerged is from
• 33:13
  Speaker 4: two thousand and seven or from twenty eleven, So based
• 33:17
  Speaker 4: on those maps, I think it was the Washington Post
• 33:20
  Speaker 4: they made a really beautiful map kind of detailing an
• 33:22
  Speaker 4: estimation of where these cicadas should come out. And if
• 33:25
  Speaker 4: you look at that in Georgia, the furthest south it's
• 33:28
  Speaker 4: going to get is maybe just below like central Georgia,
• 33:31
  Speaker 4: so just below Macon area, maybe along that like southwestern
• 33:35
  Speaker 4: Alabama border, and then it'll be mostly in north Georgia.
• 33:39
  Speaker 4: So all I'm saying is Atlanta is like not in
• 33:42
  Speaker 4: a highlighted region, which makes my heart sad. But if
• 33:46
  Speaker 4: you are in like Metro Atlanta or kind of Atlanta proper,
• 33:51
  Speaker 4: I don't think we're going to be hearing as many
• 33:52
  Speaker 4: cicadas as if you were traveling north a couple hours
• 33:56
  Speaker 4: or south a couple hours.
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: So Annie, you've gotta go home to Gainesville, and I'm
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: gonna go away from my hometown eligiir.
• 34:02
  Speaker 2: So Okay, yes, I think listeners know this, but we
• 34:06
  Speaker 2: are based in Atlanta, you are. We were so happy
• 34:10
  Speaker 2: to find someone out and about entomology wise, my mom,
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: I've told the story. She lives about an hour and
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: a half north of here. The last time cicadas came
• 34:20
  Speaker 2: out her house caked in them like he would. The
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: garage door would come down and it was just cicadas,
• 34:29
  Speaker 2: and they're so loud that my cousin who was visiting,
• 34:32
  Speaker 2: called his parents and said, get me out of here.
• 34:36
  Speaker 5: I don't know what this sound is.
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: They are so I couldn't. I couldn't imagine, because again
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: I grew up in LJ, Georgia, where cicadas where they are,
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: they are loud like they to the point that if
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: you're used to complete silence, the chirping can be so
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: loud that it will wake you up because it's sounding
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: like reminiscent to me, that same like pattern of like
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: when a fire alarm goes off that you're home far
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: along with the batteries are starting to get low, that chirping,
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: and I'm like, so if they're close enough, that's what
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: you hear. So I cannot imagine what is going to
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: happen if it's in that area.
• 35:12
  Speaker 4: I really hope this year with the two emergencies, because
• 35:15
  Speaker 4: there's so many questions that we have about cicadas, and
• 35:17
  Speaker 4: we just don't have great answers because it's hard to
• 35:19
  Speaker 4: do research when they take.
• 35:21
  Speaker 3: So long to come out.
• 35:22
  Speaker 4: But what I'm hoping for this year is that that
• 35:25
  Speaker 4: somebody goes to one of these kind of dense areas
• 35:27
  Speaker 4: with a like a decibel reader just to actually measure
• 35:30
  Speaker 4: how loud they get, because I've seen reports they can
• 35:33
  Speaker 4: get as loud as ninety decibels, which that is pretty loud.
• 35:37
  Speaker 4: That would definitely be loud enough that I would maybe
• 35:39
  Speaker 4: stop enjoying the music and start maybe looking to maybe
• 35:44
  Speaker 4: walk a little ways away.
• 35:45
  Speaker 3: But no, it is.
• 35:48
  Speaker 4: It is fascinating that it's not just covering the state.
• 35:51
  Speaker 4: So if you are in North Georgia, you're or kind of,
• 35:55
  Speaker 4: like I said, in that mid line southern midline of
• 35:57
  Speaker 4: the state, you're probably gonna be more likely to hear
• 35:59
  Speaker 4: them see them. And then in terms of the rest
• 36:02
  Speaker 4: of the US, if there are listeners in Illinois, that
• 36:05
  Speaker 4: is kind of the hot spat right now for both broods.
• 36:08
  Speaker 4: There are a couple regions of Illinois where both the
• 36:12
  Speaker 4: different broods thirteen and nineteen are gonna come out at
• 36:15
  Speaker 4: around the same time. It's gonna get illinoisy is what
• 36:19
  Speaker 4: I'm saying.
• 36:21
  Speaker 3: Yes, you in the right.
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: Place inside of think you two may just be like soulmates.
• 36:31
  Speaker 2: Yes, And the funny thing is too not to keep
• 36:34
  Speaker 2: harping on this point, but Samantha and I just coming
• 36:38
  Speaker 2: from different places, and I keep being like, I think
• 36:40
  Speaker 2: I heard one, and Samantha's like, oh no, but I
• 36:44
  Speaker 2: keep thinking like I heard something. And this is one
• 36:47
  Speaker 2: of the most fascinating parts about cicadas. Is that sound, right?
• 36:51
  Speaker 2: Can you tell us what's going on with that whole thing?
• 36:55
  Speaker 3: Yeah? Absolutely so.
• 36:57
  Speaker 4: A lot of insects make sounds, right, That's a really
• 36:59
  Speaker 4: important way to communicate with one another. And usually when
• 37:02
  Speaker 4: insects are making sounds, it's either for a warning or
• 37:05
  Speaker 4: it's to try and find a mate, and in the
• 37:07
  Speaker 4: case of cicadas, it's the latter. So while that noise
• 37:10
  Speaker 4: may be really off putting, maybe that's like a secondary benefit,
• 37:13
  Speaker 4: as predators aren't really gonna want to mess with you
• 37:15
  Speaker 4: if you're annoying them. It's really being made so that
• 37:19
  Speaker 4: they can find each other during these big emergent events,
• 37:22
  Speaker 4: and so that then they can mate, reproduce, and start
• 37:24
  Speaker 4: the next cycle. And so it's only the male cicadas
• 37:27
  Speaker 4: that actually make that noise. That's something that I think
• 37:30
  Speaker 4: is a little bit of a misconception, is that every
• 37:32
  Speaker 4: cicada makes that noise and that's why it's so blaringly loud,
• 37:35
  Speaker 4: But in fact, it's just the males that are making
• 37:37
  Speaker 4: it to attract the females.
• 37:40
  Speaker 3: One thing that I learned.
• 37:41
  Speaker 4: Which I would love to share, So when we think
• 37:43
  Speaker 4: about our broods, are different broods And if this feels reminiscent,
• 37:48
  Speaker 4: this idea of brood cicadas, we just had brood ten
• 37:51
  Speaker 4: brood X a couple years ago. So when we think
• 37:54
  Speaker 4: about a brood, it's made up of a ton of
• 37:56
  Speaker 4: different species of cicada. Like they're period, they're all deciding
• 38:01
  Speaker 4: to start their timer and you know, wake up thirteen
• 38:04
  Speaker 4: years at the same time. But they're all different species.
• 38:07
  Speaker 4: And so when you listen to cicadas chirping, sometimes you
• 38:11
  Speaker 4: can you can detect what species you're actually listening to
• 38:14
  Speaker 4: because the chirp is a little bit different. So some
• 38:17
  Speaker 4: of them make like an actual sound sequence. Some of
• 38:22
  Speaker 4: them kind of make more of a click and a
• 38:24
  Speaker 4: buzz instead of just a straight buzz. So that can
• 38:26
  Speaker 4: be a little fascinating to figure out, Okay, which species
• 38:29
  Speaker 4: is nearby me in this brood, or maybe which species
• 38:31
  Speaker 4: is most prominent in this brood. But they're making these noises,
• 38:35
  Speaker 4: they've got these organs on the sides of their abdomen.
• 38:38
  Speaker 4: They're called timbals, and they're cool. They're like membrane organs
• 38:42
  Speaker 4: that they use and they can click and kind of
• 38:45
  Speaker 4: push air in their body to click and make those
• 38:48
  Speaker 4: buzzing sounds. And so if you're looking at a larger
• 38:53
  Speaker 4: periodical cicada that's clicking at a different rate than a
• 38:56
  Speaker 4: smaller periodical cicada, those sounds are going to be completely different.
• 39:02
  Speaker 5: I love it. I love it so much.
• 39:05
  Speaker 2: So, as we've been alluding to, this is getting a
• 39:09
  Speaker 2: lot of coverage, even if they a bit late to
• 39:12
  Speaker 2: the game form my taste, but recently getting a lot
• 39:16
  Speaker 2: of coverage, and as you said, a little bit it
• 39:19
  Speaker 2: has been kind of fear mungery has been very like
• 39:22
  Speaker 2: cicada apocalypse. Yeah, what to know about your pets, what
• 39:25
  Speaker 2: to know about like all of this stuff. So, do
• 39:28
  Speaker 2: you have any misconceptions about what's coming up with these
• 39:34
  Speaker 2: two broods emerging that we that you would like to
• 39:37
  Speaker 2: clear up.
• 39:38
  Speaker 4: Absolutely, So there's a few things that I would love
• 39:41
  Speaker 4: to share just to bring some peace of mind. Hopefully
• 39:43
  Speaker 4: this does. But first we touched on a little bit.
• 39:46
  Speaker 4: Even though this is a huge year for that double
• 39:48
  Speaker 4: brood event and for cicada emergency, it's not happening everywhere.
• 39:53
  Speaker 4: So there are lots of maps online right now that
• 39:56
  Speaker 4: you can find that. The use research, like I said,
• 39:58
  Speaker 4: from previous years, we've been able to study these roots
• 40:00
  Speaker 4: to approximate where they're.
• 40:01
  Speaker 3: Going to end up.
• 40:03
  Speaker 4: So if you're nervous that, like you've heard neighbors in
• 40:06
  Speaker 4: you know, or family in one state complaining about cicadas
• 40:10
  Speaker 4: and you're just waiting until they creep up in your backyard,
• 40:12
  Speaker 4: it might not even happen. It totally depends on where
• 40:16
  Speaker 4: you are located. The second thing I want to clear up,
• 40:18
  Speaker 4: and I try and clear this up when I talk
• 40:20
  Speaker 4: about a lot of different insects, is whether or not
• 40:23
  Speaker 4: they're medically important. So cicadas are not known to be
• 40:26
  Speaker 4: medically important insects. What I mean by that is they're
• 40:29
  Speaker 4: not known to spread diseases to people or pets. In fact,
• 40:32
  Speaker 4: cicada's mouth parts, the mouthpieces that they have are really
• 40:36
  Speaker 4: not designed to be piercing like through skin or chewing anything.
• 40:40
  Speaker 4: So it's very very very unlikely they'll bite you unless you,
• 40:44
  Speaker 4: I guess, really wanted them to.
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: But I'm staying away from them. I'm trying not to
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: fight any of them, Okay.
• 40:54
  Speaker 3: And that's okay too.
• 40:55
  Speaker 4: Their goal right now when they emerge is to emerge completely,
• 41:00
  Speaker 4: avoid predators as best they can, and then find mates.
• 41:02
  Speaker 4: So they're really not interested in people at all. And
• 41:06
  Speaker 4: I like to say also, they really shouldn't be dangerous.
• 41:09
  Speaker 4: If you do want to try and handle them, or
• 41:10
  Speaker 4: if you do want to try and get close to
• 41:12
  Speaker 4: take pictures or anything like that, you might get spooked
• 41:14
  Speaker 4: a little bit by the noise, but they're pretty harmless.
• 41:18
  Speaker 2: I did see, and this was news to me, so
• 41:21
  Speaker 2: please correct me if I'm wrong.
• 41:23
  Speaker 5: This was another fear mongering headline I saw. To me.
• 41:27
  Speaker 2: I don't care, but I could tell they were trying
• 41:28
  Speaker 2: to make me scared that there's gonna be cicada rain.
• 41:32
  Speaker 3: Oh the spit, I haven't. That's what I thought.
• 41:39
  Speaker 2: I know some stuff about cicadas, and I never heard
• 41:42
  Speaker 2: of I've.
• 41:43
  Speaker 3: Never heard that.
• 41:44
  Speaker 4: I mean, I'm happy to look it up and follow up.
• 41:47
  Speaker 4: I thought when you said cicada rain, you meant that
• 41:49
  Speaker 4: they're all going to like fall out of the sky dying,
• 41:52
  Speaker 4: which that might happen after they reproduce and they lay
• 41:56
  Speaker 4: their eggs. They don't live very long after that, so
• 41:59
  Speaker 4: eventually there are going to be kind of piles everywhere
• 42:02
  Speaker 4: of dead cicadas. And also when they lay those eggs,
• 42:05
  Speaker 4: this is also so fascinating. I'm going to take us
• 42:07
  Speaker 4: on a tangent. When cicadas lay their eggs. I always thought,
• 42:11
  Speaker 4: I was like, why have I never seen a cicada egg.
• 42:13
  Speaker 4: I don't even know what that looks like. I've never
• 42:14
  Speaker 4: seen that one out in the wild. And that's because
• 42:16
  Speaker 4: they don't just lay them willy nilly out in the
• 42:18
  Speaker 4: wild like other insects might. Female cicadas will lay them
• 42:22
  Speaker 4: inside tree branches or inside woody kind of branches of
• 42:26
  Speaker 4: different trees, shrubs, things like that. Their ovipositor, which is
• 42:30
  Speaker 4: the organ they have to help lay eggs, is so
• 42:32
  Speaker 4: sharp that it pierces through the wood, and then they
• 42:35
  Speaker 4: lay eggs inside there. And then once those eggs are
• 42:39
  Speaker 4: kind of ready to emerge, the nymphs will crawl out
• 42:41
  Speaker 4: and eventually they'll either fall off the tree or crawl
• 42:43
  Speaker 4: down the tree to make their way to the soil.
• 42:46
  Speaker 4: But that's why you never see cicada eggs. So again,
• 42:48
  Speaker 4: that could be another iteration of Cicata rain as all
• 42:51
  Speaker 4: of a sudden, all these nymphs are going to start
• 42:53
  Speaker 4: coming down to the ground so they can get in
• 42:54
  Speaker 4: the soil area.
• 42:56
  Speaker 3: I don't know about spitting. That's new. That's something I
• 42:58
  Speaker 3: haven't heard.
• 42:59
  Speaker 5: Yeah, that was new to me.
• 43:00
  Speaker 2: And I'm not an entomologist, so I don't know, but
• 43:02
  Speaker 2: I've done my look looking up of.
• 43:06
  Speaker 5: And so that I was like, really, so, kater Rain, Hm,
• 43:13
  Speaker 5: well maybe we'll see. Maybe we'll see.
• 43:27
  Speaker 2: Well, we have to end on something that when our
• 43:33
  Speaker 2: producer Christina was like, I think I found the person
• 43:35
  Speaker 2: for you.
• 43:37
  Speaker 5: Star Wars.
• 43:39
  Speaker 2: You have done videos Instagram videos about bugs and Star Wars.
• 43:47
  Speaker 2: I am a huge Star Wars fan. I mean that
• 43:52
  Speaker 2: was like I was like, okay, sold, We're good.
• 43:56
  Speaker 3: I did my best.
• 43:57
  Speaker 2: Can you talk about some of those the videos that
• 44:00
  Speaker 2: you've done or the thoughts that you have about like
• 44:03
  Speaker 2: bugs and Star Wars.
• 44:05
  Speaker 4: Yeah, that's something that I always think is really fun.
• 44:07
  Speaker 4: Like this is bugs are so fun, even outside of
• 44:11
  Speaker 4: like the actual insects themselves. Again, they provide so much
• 44:14
  Speaker 4: inspiration for things in pop culture or things in movies
• 44:17
  Speaker 4: because they look so otherworldly already. And so I like
• 44:21
  Speaker 4: when I can find little opportunities to try and get
• 44:23
  Speaker 4: people interested in real life bugs by maybe connecting them
• 44:25
  Speaker 4: with fictional bugs. When I do school presentations, I talk
• 44:29
  Speaker 4: about how my job is a lot similar to Pokemon trainers,
• 44:32
  Speaker 4: because I'm trying to collect bugs and do research and
• 44:35
  Speaker 4: figure out what's going on. So I try and find
• 44:38
  Speaker 4: ways I can do that through my social media and
• 44:40
  Speaker 4: also through talking with people. But the Star Wars videos
• 44:44
  Speaker 4: were something that I made because I thought it would
• 44:46
  Speaker 4: be fun.
• 44:46
  Speaker 3: It was for me.
• 44:47
  Speaker 4: The fourth, which is Star Wars Day, I have to
• 44:50
  Speaker 4: admit I am a Star Wars fan. Don't get me wrong,
• 44:52
  Speaker 4: I am only new I've been recently introduced to the
• 44:56
  Speaker 4: world of the prequels. I just watched them for the
• 44:58
  Speaker 4: first time this year, so a lot of what I've
• 45:02
  Speaker 4: been absorbing through the prequels I've only seen them once.
• 45:05
  Speaker 4: But my boyfriend and my family are all huge Star
• 45:08
  Speaker 4: Wars fans, like mega Star Wars fans. So when I
• 45:11
  Speaker 4: was making this video, I was trying to think, like, oh,
• 45:13
  Speaker 4: I wonder what cool bugs are in the Star Wars universe,
• 45:15
  Speaker 4: and it came to mind that like, maybe I could
• 45:17
  Speaker 4: talk about the Starlac Pit because there's you know, maybe
• 45:20
  Speaker 4: that's kind of like a worm looking thing, or there's
• 45:22
  Speaker 4: that big worm in the Asterroid and the original movies
• 45:25
  Speaker 4: that they have to kind of dodge or get out quickly.
• 45:28
  Speaker 4: But then the more research I did thinking about the prequels,
• 45:31
  Speaker 4: that's when I found out all about like the actual
• 45:33
  Speaker 4: insectoid race in the Star Wars universe. And I've gotten
• 45:37
  Speaker 4: some discourse online, and my defense is that I all
• 45:40
  Speaker 4: the information I have is either from the movies or
• 45:42
  Speaker 4: from Wookipedia, which is the Star Wars Wikipedia. But the
• 45:47
  Speaker 4: insectoid race, the Genotionans are the designers and essentially original
• 45:52
  Speaker 4: builders of the Death Star, which is like the most
• 45:55
  Speaker 4: iconic image in Star Wars. And I was like, there
• 45:59
  Speaker 4: we go again. We've got another thing to thank the
• 46:00
  Speaker 4: bugs for. So I'm gonna make a video about it.
• 46:04
  Speaker 5: Yes, Oh, I love it.
• 46:07
  Speaker 3: You'll have to tell me. You'll have to.
• 46:08
  Speaker 4: I would love your honest review because I did my best.
• 46:12
  Speaker 5: Oh no, I love it.
• 46:15
  Speaker 2: And they have such like a tragic they have like
• 46:17
  Speaker 2: a hive mind, but they've got like such a tragic
• 46:21
  Speaker 2: thing that happened where they were like, oh, we didn't
• 46:23
  Speaker 2: know what we were doing the Death Star and then
• 46:25
  Speaker 2: they kind of get wiped out.
• 46:26
  Speaker 4: Yeah, the cherry on top of that whole story, was
• 46:29
  Speaker 4: in my research. I think the only g ocean that
• 46:31
  Speaker 4: survives their name is click Clack, which I think is amazing.
• 46:37
  Speaker 2: Yes, but click Clack does have an egg. So there's hope,
• 46:42
  Speaker 2: uh for the future.
• 46:44
  Speaker 3: That's my new hope right there.
• 46:45
  Speaker 2: The spiders in the Mandalorian that freaked everybody out, Like
• 46:49
  Speaker 2: the lot, there's a lot of fertile ground.
• 46:53
  Speaker 1: I was gonna say, I think when we need to
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: find a better word for you, because you're not a
• 46:58
  Speaker 1: big fan any like you are along the lines of
• 47:01
  Speaker 1: being an expert, like when it comes to like PhD.
• 47:09
  Speaker 1: I don't know what it was, but it's definitely not
• 47:11
  Speaker 1: just because a fan is so loose and it's too broad.
• 47:15
  Speaker 1: When she like, she will tell you about the creatures
• 47:19
  Speaker 1: of Star Wars, of all of them, all of them,
• 47:23
  Speaker 1: not not the animated versions as well. I have a film, so.
• 47:28
  Speaker 3: I love that.
• 47:29
  Speaker 1: In our team meeting and Christina uh, super producer. Christina
• 47:33
  Speaker 1: was like, so she has a Star Wars content and
• 47:35
  Speaker 1: and he was like yes, immediately, yes, like that, this
• 47:38
  Speaker 1: is like the cherry on top. So I've guaranteed she'll
• 47:43
  Speaker 1: let you know and then start if you need more information,
• 47:46
  Speaker 1: she can help you.
• 47:46
  Speaker 4: Amazing collaboration next piece.
• 47:49
  Speaker 3: I already see it.
• 47:51
  Speaker 5: Yes.
• 47:51
  Speaker 2: Also, I like to think I believe it's true. I'm
• 47:54
  Speaker 2: a nice Star Wars fan. I'm not gonna keep mean
• 47:56
  Speaker 2: about it.
• 47:57
  Speaker 5: Yes, I'm much more like and I tell you, I'm
• 48:00
  Speaker 5: like the entomologist of it. I'm like, can I just
• 48:03
  Speaker 5: tell you of that? It's so exciting.
• 48:06
  Speaker 4: That's my favorite thing, is like talking with people that
• 48:08
  Speaker 4: have such a clear passion for what they're talking about.
• 48:11
  Speaker 4: That's like, yes, always gets me excited, Like when I
• 48:14
  Speaker 4: get to talk about bugs, or when I get to
• 48:15
  Speaker 4: talk with people that also like bugs or Star Wars
• 48:17
  Speaker 4: or whatever it is, It's like, it's just such a it's.
• 48:20
  Speaker 3: A nice feeling.
• 48:22
  Speaker 1: I love it.
• 48:24
  Speaker 2: It is it is, And I'm very happy to know
• 48:27
  Speaker 2: that you are around and about and maybe we could
• 48:29
  Speaker 2: hang out in real life. Yes, But one final question.
• 48:35
  Speaker 2: We've been kind of touching on this throughout, but do
• 48:38
  Speaker 2: you have any for the listeners, any advice maybe if
• 48:41
  Speaker 2: they're interested in this or maybe any field like this
• 48:46
  Speaker 2: where they might not think it's a path for.
• 48:50
  Speaker 4: Them necessarily, Absolutely so, with a life science field like this,
• 48:56
  Speaker 4: the best way to learn is to like get your
• 48:59
  Speaker 4: hands dirty, like to get into an opportunity. I'm speaking
• 49:03
  Speaker 4: from entomology, like, if you're able to work with bugs, handlebugs,
• 49:06
  Speaker 4: or like get to know them a little bit more intimately,
• 49:08
  Speaker 4: it's going to tell you right away whether or not
• 49:10
  Speaker 4: you like this field. And I imagine that's true for
• 49:13
  Speaker 4: most other life sciences, like marine sciences. If you're interested
• 49:16
  Speaker 4: in horticulture plants and trees, being able to actually work
• 49:20
  Speaker 4: with those organisms will let you know, Okay, is this
• 49:22
  Speaker 4: something I'm fascinated in? But this is also such an
• 49:25
  Speaker 4: awesome time to be interested in anything, whether that is
• 49:28
  Speaker 4: any kind of science, any kind of field, any kind
• 49:31
  Speaker 4: of like really hobby anything, because there's so much information online.
• 49:36
  Speaker 4: There's so many awesome creators that are posting cool things
• 49:39
  Speaker 4: online on social media. There are also so many online
• 49:42
  Speaker 4: tools you can use, a lot of which are free,
• 49:44
  Speaker 4: so the barrier for ENTR is super low. One thing
• 49:47
  Speaker 4: that I really like to just as like a starting
• 49:49
  Speaker 4: point if you're interested, is there's an app that I
• 49:52
  Speaker 4: like to use, not sponsored, but I do want to
• 49:53
  Speaker 4: plug it. It's called I Naturalist. A Naturalist is a
• 49:57
  Speaker 4: cool app because it is a forum for a biodiversity discussion,
• 50:02
  Speaker 4: and the way it works is you can use it
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  Speaker 4: on your phone to take pictures of bugs or plants
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  Speaker 4: or things you see when you go hiking, and it'll
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  Speaker 4: use its little AI database to try and identify that
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  Speaker 4: for you to get as close to genus and species
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  Speaker 4: as possible. And then what it does with that information
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  Speaker 4: is it then turns around and uses it to plot
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  Speaker 4: a biodiversity map. So like that's how we get information
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  Speaker 4: for like where are the cicadas this year, or where
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  Speaker 4: are the invasive species coming in or whatever. I'm not
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  Speaker 4: saying that's the only tool, but there are a lot
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  Speaker 4: of interesting free tools like that that can just get
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  Speaker 4: you a little bit more interested or provide you some
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  Speaker 4: more information about the world around us. So my advice
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  Speaker 4: right now is to just explore. That's really what I did,
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  Speaker 4: and that's how I ended up in this field to
• 50:43
  Speaker 4: begin with. Is I took the time and I allowed
• 50:45
  Speaker 4: myself the grace to explore something new. So that would
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  Speaker 4: be my recommendation.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, So it's been such a joy having you, and
• 50:53
  Speaker 2: I've also had a lot of memories come back as
• 50:55
  Speaker 2: a kid of like being so fascinated by like fireflies.
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  Speaker 1: It's the fireflies.
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  Speaker 2: I love spiders, but like there's just so many things
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  Speaker 2: to be fascinated with, to want to explore, to learn
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  Speaker 2: more about. So I am very glad we got to
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  Speaker 2: make this happen, and I hope that Yeah, well, we'll
• 51:18
  Speaker 2: get to hang out, maybe you'll come back on.
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  Speaker 4: I would love to thank you for letting me talk
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  Speaker 4: about bugs. That's all I love to do. And I
• 51:25
  Speaker 4: hope I answered most of those cicada questions. But of course,
• 51:28
  Speaker 4: if you have any others, just please let me know.
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  Speaker 5: Of course.
• 51:31
  Speaker 2: Oh yes, is there anything else you wanted to add
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  Speaker 2: before we wrap up here.
• 51:39
  Speaker 3: I'll do a shameful plug if that's okay.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: So I am building my you know, content creation and
• 51:47
  Speaker 4: kind of social media presence right now if you will.
• 51:50
  Speaker 4: But you can find me online at Emma the Entomologist,
• 51:54
  Speaker 4: and I am kind of on every thing right now, Instagram, TikTok, LinkedIn.
• 51:59
  Speaker 4: But other than that, again, thank you for letting me
• 52:02
  Speaker 4: come on. It's always a joy. I hope maybe Samantha,
• 52:05
  Speaker 4: that I gave you some fun facts or maybe didn't
• 52:08
  Speaker 4: change your mind, but helped helped you appreciate cicadas a
• 52:11
  Speaker 4: little more.
• 52:12
  Speaker 1: I have learned so much and now will not use
• 52:16
  Speaker 1: flash lights to find the spider eyes. But I will
• 52:19
  Speaker 1: enjoy everything else, and then I need your numbers so
• 52:22
  Speaker 1: I can call you about the mosquitoes and texts. Kidding
• 52:26
  Speaker 1: that was that was the long time. That's why you're
• 52:29
  Speaker 1: really here. No, but thank you so much because it
• 52:32
  Speaker 1: was so much fun to learn about these insects and creatures.
• 52:36
  Speaker 1: And I, yeah, I want to get to more conversations
• 52:38
  Speaker 1: because I want to talk about We should talk more
• 52:40
  Speaker 1: about butterflies, which you mentioned, because I do love butterfly Brady,
• 52:44
  Speaker 1: as well as lightning bugs or where are they now?
• 52:47
  Speaker 1: Why can't I find the lightning Boh No, that sounds
• 52:51
  Speaker 1: like a sad one, doesn't it anyway? But thank you
• 52:53
  Speaker 1: so I always started sad somehow anyway, But thank you
• 52:56
  Speaker 1: so much. And now I will also stay away from
• 52:59
  Speaker 1: Eligi for just this month, for the next two months.
• 53:03
  Speaker 1: How many months are they gonna be around?
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  Speaker 7: About a month? Give it a month and then okay,
• 53:07
  Speaker 7: give it a month.
• 53:09
  Speaker 5: That's a great excuse to like be like I can't
• 53:12
  Speaker 5: come home right now.
• 53:14
  Speaker 1: Cicadas, the cicadas are coming.
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