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EDP18: Paris DL, Paavo Nurmi Games, BMC, future of Grand Slam Track · Easy Double podcast

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  Hello everybody, welcome back to the Easy Double podcast.
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  I believe we're on episode 18. Feel a bit out of sorts because
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  I missed one last week. Thankfully I'm back with the
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  boys. I'm joined with or joined by
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  Owen Smith. How are you?
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  Free long run on Sunday morning. I'm doing well, had a big day
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  yesterday and then went to a concert last night, so I'll
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  normally get my long run done pretty early on a Sunday
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  morning, but I'm going to push it out till the afternoon for
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  this recording and then I'll probably go back to bed after to
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  be honest. Yeah, works well the the slow
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  start for the long run after you you just telling us off?
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  How many steps did you do yesterday?
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  46,000 steps between the two sessions and then walking around
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  at a Zac Bryan concert. So yeah, the legs are slight, a
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  little bit tired. I have a down week next week
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  though, so yeah, it's all right. Yeah, no wonder you knackered.
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  I wonder what distance that that equates to in terms of like half
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  I've walked. It's probably like 40 yard K
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  isn't it? It's about 1000 steps a
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  kilometer. I'll.
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  Check here now. Sometimes, like if I just get
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  out of bed and go for like a 10K jog, I'll end up on maybe 8000
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  or so steps like first thing in the morning.
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  So you've probably walked fair few kilometers there.
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  And the average step length for males is 2.6 feet, so 46,000
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  steps equals 22.6 miles. What's that?
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  What's a marathon? 21 A.
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  Marathon is 26 and 2. I'd say though, I'd say that
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  you'd when you're running, your stride length would be
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  comfortably more than yeah than that you'd have to be around a
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  marathon that's. Crazy.
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  Good day. And we're also joined by Dean
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  Menzies, holding the 4th as per usual down in Perth.
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  How are you doing? Good mate.
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  On holiday with the family from tomorrow.
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  So yeah, looking forward to that.
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  And yeah, what is it Sunday afternoon?
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  So very, very relaxing. Looking forward to having a
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  chat. Bit of bit of house admin to be
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  done, then wrap up before you go away.
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  Yeah, we're, yeah, we've successfully farmed out the kids
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  to my parents, which is very nice.
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  We're hiring a motorhome tomorrow and then heading down
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  South, so we'll add a little bit of work to tidy up and then
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  we'll pack the pack the motorhome up and yeah, head head
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  off. Try and squeeze in a run first
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  thing tomorrow and then away we go.
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  Have you booked onto a couple of sites then, or just one site or
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  what? Would you believe I haven't
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  booked all of the sites yet? Just hails aware of that.
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  She is and it's winter so so access is is easier but this
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  reminds me I need to cook insurance.
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  And stuff. But we should look, it's a, it's
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  like being a turtle. You sort of got a home.
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  The the car's the home, worst case scenario, isn't it?
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  So we should be. Yeah, exactly.
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  Don't even need the size, just pull inside the road.
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  Just do a drive through Maccas and away we go.
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  You know, in, in France, they have on the, because the
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  motorway or the highway, whatever is a toll road.
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  So you have to pay to be on it. So the service stations like
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  every 20 K or so and they're all very well maintained because
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  it's on the toll road. So you can just pull in park in
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  the service station overnight and they have showers like nice
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  facilities in there in the morning and off you park.
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  So I guess you can look at that as like your accommodation fee
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  essentially to be paying to be on the toll.
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  We, yeah, back when my old housemate, his mum leases
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  motorhomes and we used to hire them for the Bustleton like Half
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  Iron Man and Iron Man competitions that are down
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  South. And yeah, we wouldn't book a
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  campsite. We would just drive around,
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  follow the race. Not that that's probably the
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  recommended thing to do. Enough with the the caravan and
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  then the motor home. So I'm sure we'll get get back
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  to that. Next week we'll hear about your
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  adventures, so I just wanted to thank Owen for his hosting
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  duties last week. Fantastic job I did TuneIn
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  unlike some, but yeah, it was a good episode lads.
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  We tried. There was you missed like the
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  busiest week ever. It was crazy the amount of
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  running. We were like me and you were
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  like, oh shit, what results do we put in?
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  I think you knew. That's why he planned it,
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  planned it that way, just to teach us a lesson.
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  Yeah, be like going off and the financial year.
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  Literally. By the way, on the on the stag
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  that I was on last week, the stag's dad, he was in.
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  He was a seriously talented runner back in his day.
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  He has 1402 in his locker and a 2938.
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  Might have to replace us on the pod.
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  Yeah, no, maybe we could dial him in one one week.
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  We should actually. Because he used to run for Have
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  you heard of Salford Harriers Owen?
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  Yeah. Isn't that Josh's team?
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  No. Yeah, it is, isn't it?
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  Yeah, I got one of their best, Yeah.
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  That's good. Like people who run like back in
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  the day, we always think what could they run today like that
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  fourteen O 2 what was that worth today on a like a flat Rd. 5K in
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  the Super shoes. I don't think because this guy
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  would be now in his 60s, I could be wrong but I don't reckon back
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  then a 5K and A10K was what it is now.
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  As in like there's that much focus on having a good time for
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  it. They used to run like 5 miles
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  and stuff and 10 miles so. It would have been three mile
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  for the 5K. Yes, and maybe his he'll have a
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  three mile time, which is perhaps a little bit better on
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  paper because they would have put more focus into that than a
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  5K Yeah. Anyway, let's get cracking with
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  these results because there are a lot.
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  It's a strange one this because we're recording on the Sunday we
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  missed some. So it feels like we're ahead of
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  time because we're going early, but then we're also behind the
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  game. Anyway, we'll acknowledge what
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  was last week. So there was Stockholm Diamond
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  League, at which there was a women's 800.
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  Georgia Hunter Bell, the British athlete, got up in lane 3,
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  almost lane 4. She came from absolutely
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  nowhere. She was, I watched her back
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  yesterday, coming on to the final 100 meters.
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  She was sick. And then she got out into lane 3
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  and absolutely dropped it in a 157 as well.
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  So it's pretty quick stink. What's the fastest Keely's run
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  in the past five years? It's under 155.
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  I think 154 no. Really, she's that 8, the 800
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  and the women's seems wide open based on Keely just not being
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  around. Yes, I know she's she's training
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  and stuff, but she every time she tries to race she keeps
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  picking up a niggle. So it's interesting to see what
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  will happen with that. I heard that Mary Moira was
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  being weird in that race though. Oh yeah, the commentator was, it
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  was fuming because what was he, what were they saying that she
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  she wants it slow because she fancies herself kicking it down?
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  So they had a Pacer and obviously the Pacers going out
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  to run pretty quick, but straight away Mary Moira was way
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  off the pacer and then the hole grew, decided to sit behind Mary
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  Mora as well. So the compensator was like,
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  what are they doing? They're like the plane into her
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  hands. They're letting her have it how
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  she wants, like just go with the pace.
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  But anyway, Georgia Hunter Belgaro.
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  Mary, she's run one 54150. Kelly, that's so.
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  Fast. What's the world?
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  What's the world? Record?
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  153 I think. Have you seen that world record?
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  No, who? Who has it?
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  It's. From like, from like a different
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  era. They're like, they're like
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  musculature of the athlete is very suspicious looking.
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  They're built like a gridiron player.
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  We'll, we'll get to it after this, after this recording, I'm
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  going to go and take it out. Maybe might as well link it to
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  the story as well now, OK? Be part of our double trouble
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  later. There was a women's 3K also, of
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  which Linden Hall, the Australian, was the winner in
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  830.01. So the context, George Griffiths
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  has the national record then 824.
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  So that's a fantastic run from London.
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  I can't remember how this race played out, but I think it was
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  obviously come down to a kick again.
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  And Linden's got that 815 hundred, doesn't she?
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  Yeah, I think the front too. Didn't they gap Lyndon a little
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  bit, but then that sort of then Lyndon sort of like managed to
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  catch up to them with maybe 600 to go and then she was just too
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  fast. I think she just closed.
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  But you said she's just too quick.
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  I've put in the in the show notes here because there's two
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  British girls and Fitzgerald and Hannah Nuts all in 3rd and 4th.
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  Dug up what the the UK national record was out of curiosity.
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  So these two girls have run 832 and 833 and Paula Radcliffe
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  still has it, believe it or not, from 2002.
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  She's run 822 in 2002, which is just insanely fast.
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  Like she was so good, wasn't she?
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  Yeah. She ran like. 30 O1 as well.
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  Hey, yeah. That in in as Fitzgerald, she
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  she's really, really young, isn't she?
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  Yeah, I don't. She might be.
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  She's not his sister. But you know Jake Smith who who
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  done London? Yeah, yeah.
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  He I think he coaches her or something.
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  He's always posting about her. She's 19.
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  Wow. Because she ran cross country
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  last year? European cross country.
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  I think she could have won her ships there thereabouts.
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  What in the under 20s? Yeah.
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  Or maybe under May. Yeah, Under 20.
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  Under 20, yeah. It was a men's 800 meters, of
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  which Emmanuel Wang, Yang Yi, who we've spoken about a few
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  Times Now. This year he won in 14195, which
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  is a world lead. He ran away.
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  Well, he didn't run away. Well, he did off the start line.
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  He just hit the front and went with it the whole way.
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  He beat Sajati in 142.27. So Surgiology is I think, an
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  Olympic medallist. Like he's one of the best.
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  Disney when it comes down to it. And Josh Howie, the American guy
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  in 3rd. So he actually ran the third
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  fastest USA time in that. We also had Bryce Hoppel, the
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  other US athlete who we've referenced a couple of times.
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  He had a bit of a stinker. He was once they hit 200, he was
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  kind of pushed 200 to go. He was pushed to the back and
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  then as you come around that bend 100 to 200 to go, he's just
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  way out the back of it and he's ran 147.
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  But it's almost to the point where you can just almost chalk
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  it off because it's like that bad of a run.
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  He's pretty much gave up or something's gone wrong.
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  We had a men's 5K. Now.
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  This was, I reckon, the the major talking point of the ninth
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  because Andreas Omgren, the Swedish athlete in his home
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  stadium in Stockholm, ran a European record taken away.
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  We won't add any comments, but let's just leave it as Mocha
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  tears European record, which if you know, you know, it sounds
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  like it's been a long time coming that that was no longer
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  his record for various reasons. So he's around 12:44 now.
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  Did you see this? Yeah, yeah, I watched that part
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  of the the because it had was the pole vaulter, the Swedish
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  pole vaulter I. Forgot his name?
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  Mondo Duplantis, he he was, he was jumping like was it before
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  or after? But like the stadium, I think
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  after Mondo jumped as well. And so you had this like the
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  stadium was excited for this 5K. And then there was also they
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  sort of knew that he was having like a world record attempt in
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  the pole vault as well. So it was sort of just like they
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  like crescendoed the mate really well.
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  Like it was getting pretty excited.
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  And I think with the pacing lights, that's what's been so
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  good with distance running now as well as pacing lights.
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  You can you get to it's like a, you know, in the swimming when
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  they used to have the black line and you used to follow the world
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  record line in the swimming like that was that's what the pacing
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  lights are doing, particularly when they're setting them for
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  like European records or national records.
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  So it was good to watch because he was out by he just blew the
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  field apart, didn't he? Yeah.
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  What was it like the last mile or so?
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  He just destroyed them and went solo.
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  And as you say, like Mondo was jumping and the crowd were like
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  kind of carrying this guy round lap on lap because he was just
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  like, don't know the way they would use to describe it as
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  robotic. Like his form is impeccable,
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  isn't it? Yeah.
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  He's glorious so much. What did he run like 401 or
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  something for the last 1600 meters or something?
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  It's like a 228 last Ki think. And you can see him starting to
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  strain on his face, but like his version of looking strained.
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  He looks so comfortable. It's just like a slight twinge.
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  So what did he run? Was it 124445?
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  What was the? Yeah, 44.
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  Which was the second faster than that race a week or so ago,
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  which which was won by I've got his name now the American Nico
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  Young. And so they had a whole host of
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  guys sub 250 where he said, I think he was the only one right.
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  That was he was he was well clear.
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  Kyle Robinson was Kyle Robinson was sub 13.
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  But it it he, he looked a long way away, didn't he?
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  Yeah, which is crazy, isn't it? Like, imagine he runs sub 13 at
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  the front. It looks unbelievable.
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  And then because you're 15 seconds behind the winner, it's
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  almost like, oh, did you run sub 13?
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  Did you? Yeah, but like this, Christ,
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  what? 4th or 5th Australian ever, sub
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  13. Yeah, and only a few seconds
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  off, like I think the Australian record's 1255.
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  So like his run in the context of Australian running history
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  was remarkable, but I don't think he would have felt that
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  when he was a 100 meters off the front.
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  Yeah, I think that Australian record's been a long time
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  coming, isn't it? And with the form that Kyle
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  Robinson's in this year like, you wouldn't be surprised if it
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  goes. It should be interesting
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  actually with like the Aussies in terms of qualifying for world
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  champs because you've got Kyle Robinson who's run the time and
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  then you've got sort of Seth O'Donnell who potentially, you
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  know, if he runs close to the standard, you would think you'd
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  get some preference with selection given his national
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  national champ. And then Rayner's run the
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  standard. Remember he ran that indoors.
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  And then Stewie Mcswain apparently is like he was in
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  that last Diamond League. I think he ran 1315, but
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  suddenly just getting fit again. So yeah, should be good.
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  Santa Donald's gone Mia though, yeah.
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  I don't know what's happened there.
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  Few things on this one. How is Mulgateer his record
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  still standing if he's got popped?
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  Yeah, I know it must have been from pre.
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  Yeah, but like, let's be real here, if he's doping, he just
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  didn't pissed out like. I mean, if he's been found to be
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  doping after the fact, that doesn't mean that, well, I mean
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  if you put two and two together, he's ran a European record so
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  he's hardly going to have done that whilst clean is he?
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  I'm pretty sure as well, like when he ran, I remember him
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  running it was like a London Diamond League or Birmingham and
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  like it was pissing wet looked shithouse the weather and he ran
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  away from everyone ran sub 13 like solo like in miserable
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  weather. I don't know if that's when he
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  ran 12:45 but like it was during COVID.
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  Like he he had it from a while ago so it just still stands.
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  But yeah. That isn't the annoying thing
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  about these doping things, the way they come out like so long
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  after, because I remember. So watching Mercatea during that
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  time, like when he was in in form slashed open and because
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  they're the ones like running really well at the time, like
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  you kind of get behind them and you start to like them.
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  So you're thinking now like, which guys am I watching and
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  like rooting for? And they're eventually going to
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  end up getting popped, or hopefully not, but it's annoying
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  The. The gentleman we spoke about
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  last week, that was fifth at Paris, the Kenyan athlete that
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  just got done for doping with his biological passport.
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  He he represents a like a professional team over in Japan,
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  which was yeah, I know. So I'm assuming that will be
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  terminated. And I don't know if perhaps he,
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  I think maybe he'd spent some time in Kenya.
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  So I don't know if it was during his time there that there's the
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  irregularities. But yeah, I don't know it's you
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  associate Japan with such like a clean history of yeah.
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  So I doubt that. Yeah, I don't, I, I would
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  imagine internally it would be not very well received at all
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  the news. Yeah, that that guy loves to be
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  careful. Otherwise, Matt Fox will be his
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  next training partner. Oh my God there and that Mando
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  Duplantis I looked up. Every time he breaks a world
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  record he gets like 50,000 at least 50,000 thirty U.S.
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  dollars. You see what he does?
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  He's done it 12 times. Yeah, but do you see what he
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  does? He he literally puts.
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  It up. Yeah, and there's also, I don't
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  know if the world records the difference between indoors and
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  outdoors. Also might double up.
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  Yeah, No, can't. Well, suppose the conditions are
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  really there. Yeah.
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  And you, I don't know if you have the same run UPS like I
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  know in some of them, but yeah. How much more has he got in his
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  locker now? Like in training he could be
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  jumping 30 centimetres higher and he just knows he's got
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  another 30 world records obviously.
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  They read Somewhere in the Jump 34.
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  Yeah, yeah. And so 28 wasn't it?
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  I think you wanted to clear 28 I think on the last weekend
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  that's. Crazy.
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  It's genius though. Just clear it by a centimeter
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  and then, yeah, go again when the time and the money's right.
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  It doesn't really seem fair in a way.
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  Like, that's the game, isn't it? You exploit the rules when the
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  Yeah, that's yeah. Yeah, the last thing I wanted to
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  mention from that 5K race, Carl Hocker was in there and he
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  finished down in 7th and 1309, which I'm not going to say is an
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  awful time, but you just know we would have been looking for
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  quicker than that because he's he's already ran sub 13 and at
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  the end of the indoor season this year in February.
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  So and if you've seen him in Grand Slam, he hasn't really
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  been that well, he's been competitive, but he's never been
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  on the on the positive end of things.
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  Like he hasn't really won any of these races against care against
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  the Goose. And then he he just, he wasn't
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  in this one. So I mean isn't need to peak
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  until September. So we'll see.
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  But. The Olympic hangover.
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  Yeah, it is hard to like keep it up, like keep that level up,
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  like you're going to fall off eventually.
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  So hopefully it's just falling off now to pick it up in
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  September. It's interesting like we, we
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  talk about the sport like growing from a commercial point
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  of view and like more media attention and stuff and then you
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  don't actually realise the impact on the athletes.
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  So on his YouTube channel I was watching one from would have
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  been one of the grand Slams. And straight away after the race
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  he has to go and do all his media obligations.
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  And then he's like talks to the camera afterwards and says I was
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  wanting to do a workout on the back of the race because he was
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  racing at 8 or 15, whatever. And he was going to do a few
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  reps afterwards. And he's like, but I've just
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  spent an hour with the media now.
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  I'm all cooled down. I've lost all my adrenaline.
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  So like the, the media obligations have just ruined my
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  workout essentially. And you don't realise that, do
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  you? But it's part of the game, I
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  guess. I've won.
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  Well, not everyone has to deal with it really, because Kyle's
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  the Olympic champ, so he'll be the most high in demand, I
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  guess. But you're sort of paid for it
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  as well. Like like that's his job.
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  Like he has to. I heard this about the golf as
• 21:13
  well. This totally off topic, but I'm
• 21:15
  Rory McIlroy during that U.S. Open.
• 21:17
  He he like refused to like talk to the media for a day or two.
• 21:22
  And like that's basically like refusing like doing a part of
• 21:26
  your job, Like like it's part of the job.
• 21:28
  Like you have to do it. Like that's what you're becoming
• 21:30
  at Leafer. It's like being on the grid and
• 21:32
  refusing to talk to Martin Brundle.
• 21:34
  How dare then? Basically, yeah.
• 21:39
  Although I think sometimes using that analogy, like Max would
• 21:43
  just give a one word response you can blast through the media
• 21:47
  if you want to. I would imagine Jacob and some
• 21:49
  of those guys would navigate it in their favour when they need
• 21:52
  to basically just be horrible to be interviewed so that they
• 21:55
  could get on with their rehab. It's the same.
• 21:58
  Again, off topic, it's the same with most Salah.
• 22:01
  There's a Liverpool journalist who said Salah just walks
• 22:05
  through the the media zone every single time And then his
• 22:09
  contract was approaching expiring and he came out and
• 22:12
  just like said a few words alluded to the fact that he's
• 22:15
  unsure in his future. And they just know what they're
• 22:18
  doing because it just gets people talking and gets the ball
• 22:20
  rolling. But they can manipulate it for
• 22:23
  their advantage I guess as well currently anyway, more from last
• 22:27
  week. There was Portland Track
• 22:29
  Festival, which happened to think on the Sunday as well.
• 22:32
  So we'll just skim over this, but Donovan Brazer, who's a 2019
• 22:37
  world champ in the 800 meters, I think he's been out injured
• 22:40
  pretty much for six years since that.
• 22:43
  And the week before he ran first run back, he ran a 144.
• 22:49
  And I tune into a bit of the later on stuff as well.
• 22:52
  And they're American based. So like they, they have a big
• 22:55
  bias towards all the stuff that goes on in America and they were
• 22:58
  like losing the head saying like this is absolutely insane.
• 23:01
  It's like one of the best runs ever.
• 23:02
  Like what on earth is going on? Where's he come from?
• 23:06
  And then the week after a Portland track festival here,
• 23:09
  he's around a 143.81. So he's back in a big way.
• 23:14
  And that US 800 team, there's like 6 of them running 140
• 23:20
  threes and, and below. So when it comes to the
• 23:24
  nationals, where they're going to do the selections because US
• 23:27
  has done from nationals, isn't it, it's going to be
• 23:31
  unbelievable to follow. Yeah, I never heard of this lab
• 23:33
  before. His name popped up on the Cop
• 23:36
  Club podcast like, a couple of times, like, like ages ago.
• 23:39
  Olly Horror would like mass about our coaching and all this.
• 23:42
  And I wasn't interested in running back in 2019.
• 23:45
  Like, I had no idea that he was like, actually a world champion.
• 23:48
  And I used to have to come back after six years of being
• 23:51
  injured. Like it's crazy to run 143.
• 23:54
  Gives me a bit of hope. Six years got a while yet?
• 24:00
  Gee, here we go. What have you had out?
• 24:04
  Six weeks. Feels like 6 years let me tell
• 24:11
  you. I it it does on the other on the
• 24:13
  other side of the podcast line, I'm I'm well enough, but I don't
• 24:16
  know about you Owen. He's.
• 24:21
  Only because you can visually see what that six weeks has done
• 24:24
  to me. I didn't think you'd be fit to
• 24:27
  record when we started, but we're here we are.
• 24:32
  Getting through it, you're training for the, you're
• 24:33
  training for the beer mile. Yeah, you've been.
• 24:36
  It's fit. It's funny actually, I was
• 24:39
  speaking to one of my mates back in Perth, but a Scottish lad and
• 24:43
  he's all into like his health and fitness but he doesn't run.
• 24:46
  And he obviously knows that I am in as well from a running
• 24:49
  perspective. And I was like, oh, it's just
• 24:51
  like, it's fun catching up with people, but like, just just
• 24:54
  ruins you. And he's like, oh, yeah, you're
• 24:56
  not much fit, lad, though you can't keep up with your mates
• 24:59
  Like, well, quite literally. Yeah.
• 25:00
  That's a good analogy. Not much fit from a different
• 25:03
  perspective. Relentless anyway.
• 25:08
  Jess Hull won in the women's 800 as well in a 158.69.
• 25:13
  So I think it's so impressive the way she keeps dipping her
• 25:16
  toe into these eight hundreds and she's right at the front and
• 25:20
  competing in them. Like I always considered they're
• 25:22
  just solely a 1500m runner. Never knew she had the wheels to
• 25:25
  run an ace. But these times are like they're
• 25:28
  up there, aren't they? But like this was after around
• 25:32
  soundtrack was cancelled so she probably was training for the
• 25:35
  800 so she just had to find any at all to just race still.
• 25:39
  Yeah, 158. From the front as well.
• 25:41
  Like that was hers moving on into the week on, I think it was
• 25:47
  European time is Tuesday night. There's a Meath.
• 25:50
  I don't know if this name rings any bells.
• 25:52
  Dean, you have a bit more of a historical understanding than US
• 25:56
  parvo Naomi Games. He must have been a Finnish
• 25:59
  athlete from back in the day. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 26:02
  One of the top Finnish athletes, I don't want to throw the Fins
• 26:05
  under the bus, but were they like there was A and do you
• 26:09
  remember we spoke about some of the Finnish gold medalists from
• 26:11
  light distance athletes from from their time, I don't know if
• 26:14
  they were like early on blood doping or, or what, but they
• 26:18
  during their time were the yeah, there was a, there was a few of
• 26:21
  them that were ahead of the pack.
• 26:26
  You know what would be interesting?
• 26:27
  A little bit of spin off if sometimes we like dance around
• 26:32
  things like that, we mention it, but like we haven't got the deep
• 26:36
  understanding to like go into it fully.
• 26:38
  If we don't like a little deep dive on some of these, like
• 26:40
  random things like that finish scene from back in the day,
• 26:46
  explore whether it was dope and or whether they're legit.
• 26:49
  Yeah, and don't fear, at that time things like that weren't
• 26:52
  illegal either. Yeah, troops they were.
• 26:54
  Just a different time. Pushing it as hard as they
• 26:56
  could. Yeah, really.
• 26:58
  Anyway, at this meet in Finland, in a place called Turku TURKU,
• 27:04
  there was a men's 1500 metres won by an Ethiopian athlete,
• 27:08
  Gamma in 333.49, which if you consider some of the other 1500s
• 27:15
  that have been going on recently, that's not actually
• 27:17
  that fast. I think the guy who's won the
• 27:20
  Gamma has just ran the standard by 100th of a second because I
• 27:25
  think it's 333.5. And then second was Nordas, the
• 27:30
  Norwegian athlete. So him, Cattle, Carl Doyle, the
• 27:35
  Irish guy and Andrew Cosgren are the names which are jumping out
• 27:41
  to me from this result sheath. So are you surprised by the fact
• 27:46
  that Kyle Doyle is beating Andrew Koshkin hero?
• 27:49
  I am like I am Andrew sort of been doing some longer stuff.
• 27:53
  So he's he's like doubled in a few 5 KS recently.
• 27:57
  So I don't know if his like focus is switching like he's run
• 28:01
  I think 1311 or 10 in the 5K. So I do think that's where like
• 28:09
  he'll eventually go like he could, that could be his like
• 28:12
  best event. And and again, he's probably
• 28:15
  just trying to get strong. Like he doesn't need to be
• 28:16
  peaking until September. So I'd say that was just a a
• 28:21
  nice little head out for him. But Kyle Doyle, man, he's
• 28:24
  running well. And yeah, he's one to watch
• 28:27
  over. And if we glance our eyes all
• 28:29
  the way down the results to 13th was a guy, Tom Keane, British
• 28:33
  athlete, he was when I told the Jake Whiteman story the other
• 28:38
  week. He's Whiteman's training
• 28:40
  partner. He was over in Melbourne with
• 28:41
  him, Big Liverpool fan Tom, so good luck.
• 28:46
  That Vatican 8, Adrian Ben, he's the 800 meter guy.
• 28:51
  He runs the 800. So for him to run 336, like, to
• 28:55
  be honest, it's a slow race. You'd expect him to like kick
• 28:57
  them all. But yeah, it's just interesting
• 29:00
  that he's stepping up as well. Look at the Gandhi.
• 29:04
  Just for context, that Paavo Nurmi won nine golds, 3 silvers
• 29:08
  at the Olympics. So could move back in the days,
• 29:12
  back in the 1920s. But just for context.
• 29:14
  So we don't before someone writes in and we've not.
• 29:19
  So yeah, quite the champion of his era.
• 29:22
  Oh wow, how's that? Like he's won nine golds and
• 29:25
  we're sat here talking about like a games named after him and
• 29:28
  we don't even know who he is. Yeah.
• 29:30
  Time Born in 1897, he was ancient.
• 29:35
  Look at the guy in 5th Sheppo Sheis.
• 29:38
  He's literally called Sheis. It's actually Tashite, he said.
• 29:42
  Yeah, that's what he'd say. Anyway, it was a men's 5K which
• 29:48
  was won by a Belgian guy, John Hayman's in 13 O3.
• 29:53
  So again, these have just missed the standard here.
• 29:55
  You'd imagine that they were going for it coming so close,
• 29:58
  but looking at the field potentially there's not really
• 30:02
  the same calibre that there has been in some of these Diamond
• 30:04
  League 5 KS. What was what stood out to me
• 30:07
  here was, remember when we'd done the episode where Brett and
• 30:12
  Izzy done the great Manchester 5K and we're talking about the
• 30:16
  Uruguayan athlete who was there? This guy's in this field as
• 30:20
  well, Santiago Katrov. And then I also noticed him.
• 30:23
  He was on the start line of the Paris Diamond League.
• 30:26
  So I mean, it could be bloody Nekharbado, but he's clearly got
• 30:30
  a good agent who's getting them into these races.
• 30:34
  So in that race was Hemrick Inger, Britsen Inger Bricks.
• 30:38
  Jesus Christ, I can never say it.
• 30:39
  Someone say it. Inger Britain.
• 30:42
  Inger, Britain. So I was surprised to see his
• 30:46
  name on one of these like top races still because I don't
• 30:50
  think he's raced for a while, or if he has I've missed it, but
• 30:52
  he's still running 1320. That's crazy.
• 30:56
  The chap as what's his hamstrings is it that he's
• 30:59
  issues with? I think something like that.
• 31:01
  But to be able to just whip out 1320 is yeah.
• 31:05
  Especially when you see the James West and Rory Leonard, who
• 31:09
  are two of the top British distance runners at the minute,
• 31:13
  they're further down the results running 1327 and 1313.
• 31:17
  And when you isolate them from a British perspective, like
• 31:21
  they're two of our best guys and Hamrick just comes from nowhere
• 31:26
  and runs 1320, it's like, wow, there's just levels to it.
• 31:30
  Like you try and blame the weather, but like for your man
• 31:34
  John Hayman's to run 13 O3, you can't even blame the weather
• 31:38
  because that's like pretty fast. Like the 1500 was like the
• 31:42
  shorter distance would get away. You like the weather doesn't
• 31:45
  have to be perfect for like 1500, but for a 5K you'd really
• 31:48
  feel it if the weather was was bad.
• 31:50
  So yeah, I don't know. James W Royal Leonard.
• 31:53
  Maybe it's travel to Finland. How long is the flight to
• 31:55
  Finland from the Uki? Do not need 2 hours but.
• 31:59
  Yeah. But it's not probably quite hard
• 32:03
  to get there. Where'd you go?
• 32:04
  Helsinki I guess. Yeah, they're only, they're only
• 32:09
  opening up their season then to UK wise.
• 32:11
  So I don't think that. Was true there was a women's
• 32:14
  1500 what stood out here was there's two British girls in
• 32:19
  second and third behind the Canadian so Gabriella debuts
• 32:23
  Stafford one in a 402 and the two British girls reve Walcott
• 32:29
  Nolan and Aaron Wallace was second and third in 402 and 403
• 32:34
  which they've just missed the qualifier for worlds.
• 32:37
  I think it's a 4/01 for the women but just thought it's
• 32:42
  worthwhile mentioning because no doubt they're going to be having
• 32:45
  a few more stabs at that standard and may well end up
• 32:48
  making part of the team next set of results.
• 32:50
  I think this was either Wednesday or Thursday nights.
• 32:54
  There's a meet titled the BMC Record Breaker.
• 32:57
  So for those who don't know, BMC stands for British Milers Club.
• 33:02
  They're essentially the highest level track meets you're going
• 33:06
  to get on the UK racing circuit and the same entry standards
• 33:11
  which you need to meet some race at a BMC essentially.
• 33:15
  So this was down at the same Mo Farah athletics track which is
• 33:19
  part of Saint Mary's University. So for any athletes in the UK
• 33:25
  who are looking to go to university and want to pursue
• 33:28
  running, there's essentially 2 which they'll choose from ones
• 33:33
  Loughborough or Loughborough, potentially the most popular.
• 33:36
  And then second is Saint Mary's. The good thing about Saint
• 33:39
  Mary's is it's based down in London, whereas Loughborough's
• 33:43
  kind of in the middle of nowhere.
• 33:46
  And this is also where our boys from front runner, the Toms,
• 33:50
  Kieran and Adam Well and obviously Greenie, they've done
• 33:54
  a few sessions down at Saint Mary's since being over there
• 33:57
  and they were actually racing there this night.
• 33:59
  So we'll get get to the results. There's a men's 800 meters which
• 34:04
  was won in 146 as you don't know who the guy was who won it, but
• 34:09
  Callum Elson, who we've spoken about, you know, the distance
• 34:13
  project on YouTube, he was last in a 149, but I don't really
• 34:18
  think 800 meters is his thing, is it?
• 34:20
  So this must have just been purely like a not training run
• 34:23
  but just getting the stimulus from running fast essentially.
• 34:27
  Yeah, he did. He win, was he?
• 34:29
  He won a medal at the the one and only time the World Rd. mile
• 34:34
  champs were run, so he's more of like a Miller than a 800 meter
• 34:38
  guy. Yeah, and then even from the
• 34:40
  mile, I think he'd scale up rather than scale down.
• 34:43
  So yeah, this, this wasn't his, wasn't his do, but he's in the
• 34:48
  in the B race. Tom Moorcroft from Front Runner
• 34:51
  ran A1 4803 so then if you think if you think about the a race,
• 34:57
  Callum Nelson was last in the 149.
• 34:59
  He could have beaten Callum Nelson in that A race, which
• 35:01
  would have been pretty cool for Tom.
• 35:03
  But that's a PB forum and also a club record.
• 35:06
  So glad to see Tom doing big things over in Europe there in
• 35:10
  the men's 1500. I sent this through two years
• 35:13
  early in the week the nines because I told you that the
• 35:16
  front runner guys are at this meet and the the poster boy for
• 35:21
  it, quite literally on the image is the guy I've mentioned before
• 35:24
  who kind of first got me into running and 1st done my training
• 35:28
  plan. Joe Wigfield, because he's he's
• 35:29
  from Wallasey here where I live and he's kind of been on the
• 35:34
  cusp for a while, but not quite close enough.
• 35:38
  And he's ran a 336 from 50 metres off off the front.
• 35:43
  Like there's loads of videos and he's just tearing it up the home
• 35:46
  straight like no one's even with him.
• 35:48
  So this is a big step forward for him.
• 35:51
  Like he's he's closing the gap. And the reason why I sent it
• 35:54
  through two years was because I've seen the start list and
• 35:58
  Scott Beatty, who is one of the guys from Macau who we've done
• 36:02
  the YouTube Diaries on before. So the the Hoker group, that
• 36:06
  Rory Leonard, the Callum Nelson that Scott Beatty is a part of,
• 36:12
  he was also in the field and I said Joe Wigfield's running
• 36:16
  against this guy here and yeah, he's beating him.
• 36:19
  Scott Beatty was back in fifth. There's also an Irish guy in the
• 36:22
  field. I have no idea how to.
• 36:25
  If I thought I couldn't pronounce cattle, how on earth
• 36:28
  to pronounce look? Please try.
• 36:31
  OK, Louis. Louis.
• 36:38
  It's in Irish though. So for context for the
• 36:41
  listeners, Louis, as Owen says, is spelled LUGHAIDH.
• 36:53
  No, I think, I think it's Louis, but I'm 99% sure that's Louis.
• 36:57
  Yeah. Oscar Elga in Irish.
• 36:59
  That's so funny. I've done on your.
• 37:05
  Yeah, I don't know who he is. Then where are these next?
• 37:09
  Oh, this Paris Diamond League now isn't it?
• 37:11
  Yeah, yeah. He had the women's 1500 was won
• 37:16
  by Nelly chapter chair. So she is she's very
• 37:19
  distinguishable. If you've seen her, she's like
• 37:21
  quite tall and skinny and she kind of stands out.
• 37:24
  But Jesus Christ, she puts the rest of these to the sword.
• 37:27
  Like you can tell that she's the dominant player here because
• 37:30
  kind of like it's her race, her race to lose, which she almost
• 37:34
  did. Sarah Healey was closing like a
• 37:36
  train. So Sarah is the Irish girl we've
• 37:39
  spoken about quite a bit because she's been in incredible form.
• 37:42
  And yeah, she was eating up the yards.
• 37:44
  She tried to go down the inside. And if it wasn't for this
• 37:49
  chapter chair shutting the door, Sarah had the momentum and I
• 37:52
  think she would have run past her.
• 37:53
  So they've they both ran 357, which is just like moving Lyndon
• 37:59
  Hall was back and forth, Georgia Hunter Bell in 6th and then
• 38:03
  there was a couple more Brits and Aussies in the field.
• 38:06
  So we had Gemma Ricky, who is also part, I think she's part of
• 38:10
  that M11 training group part Keeley Hodgkinson's thing and
• 38:15
  Georgia Griffith back in 13th in a four O 1, which kind of shows
• 38:19
  the depth of this race. Like that's still very fast.
• 38:23
  And Abby Caldwell was 16th with four O 7.
• 38:27
  So not her best race. We had a men's 800 meters won by
• 38:31
  a Spanish guy, Mohammed Atui in a 142.73.
• 38:36
  So like these, this 800 is starting to brew now.
• 38:39
  Like there's been a lot of talk over the past few years that
• 38:42
  they're going to run a world whack up world record because I
• 38:46
  think the the men's 800 record is one of the current long
• 38:49
  standing ones, which hasn't been round in the past five years or
• 38:52
  so. And they've been dancing round
• 38:54
  it, so there's 5-6 guys who potentially could do it, and you
• 38:59
  don't know who it's going to go to, but you kind of feel like
• 39:02
  it's just a matter of time before someone does it.
• 39:05
  There's Josh Howie and Bryce Hoppel, the two American guys
• 39:08
  who we spoke about from Stockholm last week in second
• 39:11
  and third in a 143 dead and a 14311.
• 39:15
  The British guy Max Burgeon, who we said open this season in a
• 39:20
  143 the other week, also run the 143 here and Irish boy Mark
• 39:26
  English in 6th also with a 143.98.
• 39:29
  When was this on? This was Friday night.
• 39:33
  OK. So good being being in Europe
• 39:37
  whilst these are on from a spectator point of view.
• 39:39
  Like I literally come in. Didn't even, well I knew it was
• 39:43
  on but I'd forgotten. Puts on the TV and it's on.
• 39:47
  It's on BBC like even if you don't have a don't pay for a
• 39:50
  streaming or a package, it's free to air and then because we
• 39:54
  have sky, I don't know if it's just standard.
• 39:57
  If you put it on halfway through, you can press restart
• 40:02
  like watch from the beginning. So I missed like the first 40
• 40:06
  minutes and then just restarted it like live whilst it's on and
• 40:09
  then you can just skip through just.
• 40:11
  Skip through. Yeah, it's on around so that the
• 40:14
  Finland meet was on the Tuesday and this is on the Friday.
• 40:18
  Yeah, that's just for context for like the next 5K results
• 40:21
  because some of the boys run faster.
• 40:24
  Go on. Then you mean Stockholm or?
• 40:28
  When did that Uruguayan guy run? He ran in Finland, was it?
• 40:32
  Oh yeah, he was at that. Pablo Naomi games.
• 40:36
  Yeah, right. Not the not the Swedish Diamond
• 40:39
  League. No.
• 40:40
  And now at the Paris Diamond League, he's after coming 10th
• 40:44
  in 1259, which is an area record.
• 40:48
  So what did he run a couple of days before that?
• 40:51
  And he ran thirteen O 8. So it's crazy what a few days
• 40:55
  can do. Backed up within 72 hours and
• 41:00
  ran a South American record sub 13.
• 41:03
  That's mad. How can you?
• 41:04
  Because clearly if he's if he's run South American record there
• 41:09
  in 1259, thirteen O 8, he's absolutely on the limit, isn't
• 41:12
  he? He's probably gone for it there
• 41:15
  and how, how can you recover that quick to then do it again?
• 41:18
  That's what I don't get. Like he he's definitely carrying
• 41:20
  some fatigue and he's definitely running in the days in between.
• 41:25
  Like, I don't, yeah, that's crazy.
• 41:28
  But anyway that race was won by Yarmouth Kabjalcha in 1247 and
• 41:35
  then Belou Branu from where's that Brani that country is it
• 41:41
  Bahrain? Bahrain.
• 41:44
  He ran 1248 for an area record and Graham Blanks was 1249 and
• 41:51
  3rd Jimmy Grezier from France he was fourth in 1251 which was a
• 41:58
  national record. He seems to be breaking a record
• 42:00
  every time he runs a 5K. He's a starboy is me for France.
• 42:04
  Although. You see in the results 3 French
• 42:07
  guys under 13 minutes. Shit, yeah.
• 42:09
  Come here. Is that Al Bakali?
• 42:11
  Yeah, yeah, he's in there. Wow, looks like a giraffe in
• 42:15
  there. He is a big boy, yeah.
• 42:18
  He's huge. That's.
• 42:19
  Why more of a giraffe? Him or Kajelcha?
• 42:21
  Nah, like him, he he makes kajelcha look like he's like
• 42:25
  elegant, Yeah, like he's a Ethiopian, but well, sorry, he's
• 42:30
  an Ethiopian, but you know, like healing Gabra Selesi or someone.
• 42:35
  But yeah, they they got gapped early, like like everyone got
• 42:39
  strung out pretty fast. But this race was because a lot
• 42:41
  of those guys. Speaking of backing up, we
• 42:44
  covered them Owen last week. A lot of those guys when when
• 42:49
  they won, when the winner was in 1245, like they all raced the
• 42:53
  what was the what was the Diamond League before Stockholm?
• 42:57
  Was low. Was.
• 42:58
  Low, yes. They were all in Norway racing
• 43:01
  that 5K then, and then they haven't had that short of backup
• 43:04
  as that Harvard Nurmi Games athlete.
• 43:07
  But yeah, they did back up, but they went out.
• 43:10
  They were more aggressive, though.
• 43:11
  I think the pace lights were more aggressive and Jude Thomas
• 43:15
  was pacing it. I think they went.
• 43:18
  Through fast didn't. He yeah, they went through 3K in
• 43:22
  was it like 737? I think, yeah, yeah, seven
• 43:24
  36737, which is like, whereas I think the other day when they
• 43:29
  went through, they went through in like 742.
• 43:32
  And then not only did they go through fast, then Kajelcha ran
• 43:37
  to like he ran like a 59 high. I think for like as soon as the
• 43:42
  pacemakers dropped off, he like, and I think that's where he's at
• 43:45
  his best because you know how he sort of didn't feature in that
• 43:47
  other race where they sort of kicked it down over the top of
• 43:49
  him. Whereas he can like suffer.
• 43:51
  He like ran everyone into the red and then basically faded.
• 43:56
  Like he ran a 64 second second last lap.
• 43:58
  And I don't know what he ran for his last lap, but it wasn't that
• 44:00
  fast. But he's just so strong, like he
• 44:03
  was just able to like suffer in that part where and just gap.
• 44:07
  He just gapped everyone and then no one could run over the top of
• 44:09
  him. Yeah, he's a he's a risk taker,
• 44:11
  isn't he? He he ran a few laps in the
• 44:14
  middle when he was gapping them like 59 sixties and then maybe
• 44:18
  the 12 to 800 meter to go lap was a 64 and you're like, oh
• 44:23
  shit, he's he's going and then you're just watching them come
• 44:26
  back on him, aren't you? Like the 100 meter gap became a
• 44:30
  had no coming up at home straight like Danny needed
• 44:33
  another 50 meters or so and and the guy in second with the
• 44:36
  runner on top of him. But like he's judged it well.
• 44:39
  He knows what he's doing. And it was just it's cool to see
• 44:42
  himself put him on the line like that and know that it's going to
• 44:45
  be tough and maybe the end isn't going to be pretty.
• 44:47
  But he was going for the record, I think at the end of the day,
• 44:50
  wasn't he? And it just wasn't wasn't quite
• 44:52
  there, but he's came away with the win.
• 44:55
  Another interesting storyline within that is the 2 American
• 44:59
  guys, Green Blanks and Nico Young.
• 45:01
  They're having a bit of a tussle to see who's kind of like the
• 45:05
  the main, the main guy for them. So Nico Young ran the American
• 45:10
  record last week and that meet that you're referring to and
• 45:15
  Green Blanks has came back and beaten them here.
• 45:16
  So that's one to watch as their season goes on and they come
• 45:20
  into the US champs. Do you guys ever watch the US
• 45:24
  trials ahead of a major championship?
• 45:27
  So much drama. It's like it's almost better
• 45:31
  than some of the like, championship racing I reckon.
• 45:34
  Because you just, we're not exposed to it fully.
• 45:36
  But you just know there's like so much politics as well going
• 45:39
  on. Yeah.
• 45:40
  But then they cut through that because then they just select
• 45:42
  top three, right? Yeah, yeah.
• 45:44
  Which is why I think MU ended up missing out on the last
• 45:48
  Olympics, isn't it? Yeah, like if there was a status
• 45:52
  element to it or like whatever, she'd obviously be on the list.
• 45:56
  But she didn't finish top three. She wasn't there.
• 45:59
  It was a men's 1500 meters as well, which like these, how
• 46:04
  quick and fast are these races becoming and frequent?
• 46:08
  So this one was born by Azerine Habs, French athlete, home
• 46:12
  Diamond League in Paris. Like the crowd carried them to
• 46:16
  this. I mean, he ran it himself, but
• 46:19
  he had so much support from the home crowd.
• 46:21
  He's ran a 327.49, which is a world lead and is, yeah, I was
• 46:28
  going to say one of the fastest times I've seen for a while, but
• 46:30
  obviously because it's a world lead.
• 46:32
  What's that all time? Yeah, that's.
• 46:36
  Great that we're talking about it on Let's Run afterwards span.
• 46:39
  Like should he be listed after because it's like Elgar Rouge.
• 46:43
  I don't know if it's like Morseli.
• 46:46
  Oh, who's the Kenyan, the tall aspell Kiprop?
• 46:49
  Is it aspell Kiprop who who got dumb for doping?
• 46:52
  But he he ran something ridiculous in Monaco one year
• 46:56
  prior to then. But yeah, and then it's then
• 46:59
  it's this performance and now talking about it, the Let's Run
• 47:02
  chat sort of dominated. It was dominated by this French
• 47:08
  athlete. And was it there's an 18 year
• 47:10
  old Kenyan that was second or thirds from 3:27?
• 47:14
  I, I literally had to like, like, look more at this because
• 47:19
  his name's Koech Fanuel Kipsogi. It's his second recording, 1500.
• 47:25
  3/27/72 for a World under 20 record.
• 47:29
  Yeah, it. Is crazy second.
• 47:31
  Ever recorded 1500? That's man.
• 47:34
  Yeah. So I don't know this that was
• 47:35
  going to be the double trouble. It's sort of like, I don't know,
• 47:38
  how do you know what to get excited about in terms of, I
• 47:42
  don't know, do you get a bit skeptical with some of these
• 47:45
  results if you don't know the story?
• 47:47
  Yeah, you do 100%. It's the same with them.
• 47:53
  You can't, you can't. You gotta be careful for own
• 47:55
  shade, haven't you? But like this Habs, he's having
• 47:57
  an unbelievable year. And I mean, he's obviously been
• 48:00
  a good athlete prior to this. But then you you look at like
• 48:04
  that Mokatea storyline that just it reads a little bit similar,
• 48:08
  but. Yeah.
• 48:09
  And particularly as you're, Oh yeah, I don't know one.
• 48:12
  Yeah, it's making, making large improvements, particularly as
• 48:16
  the you get pointer and pointer, it becomes less likely.
• 48:20
  And then you would think as you get older in your career, it
• 48:23
  would be hard physiologically harder.
• 48:25
  Like you don't have your age, your body's aging.
• 48:28
  I mean, that being said, it's funny, right.
• 48:30
  So we don't say the same thing for Blanks or George Mills
• 48:36
  performances. You know, we don't have the same
• 48:38
  skepticism. But I think when you're familiar
• 48:40
  with their storyline, you see how much work they're putting in
• 48:43
  and you can follow, particularly the ones that have the channels
• 48:45
  and stuff. You sort of like George Mills's
• 48:48
  two performances, sort of he's been threatening to do that for
• 48:51
  a while, I reckon. And so you sort of like, oh,
• 48:54
  that, that all makes sense. Whereas it's the ones that you
• 48:56
  sort of completely unfamiliar with for various reasons that
• 49:00
  where it's like, oh, I don't know.
• 49:02
  Seen George Mills's interview afterwards and it's it's pretty
• 49:06
  cool. Like the guy says to him how
• 49:09
  much he happened to sacrifice to, to do this and deliver these
• 49:13
  performances. And he's like, mate, it's not
• 49:16
  sacrifice. I love it.
• 49:18
  This is like what I'm here to do.
• 49:20
  And it's just like, yeah, fair play.
• 49:22
  That is the right answer. Like and that's really better
• 49:26
  place #1 was habs #2 was that 18 year old Kenyan and then three
• 49:31
  was George Mills in three 2836, which is like for a 5K guy to be
• 49:37
  able to run a 328 is just again not.
• 49:41
  So that's on the back of Snatch and Moe's 5K record last week,
• 49:45
  isn't it? Yeah.
• 49:46
  And that 328 that he's run there him as the fastest ever Brit
• 49:52
  besides Josh Kerr. So he's he's also now run faster
• 49:55
  than I mean, not the Farrow was a 1500m runner, but second
• 49:59
  fastest ever here as well. So I think he's going to be in
• 50:02
  with a shout when it gets to Tokyo.
• 50:04
  If he can continue building on this, it's going to be so good.
• 50:08
  Like you've got Jacob to come back into all of this as well.
• 50:11
  Like what do these races look like?
• 50:13
  If he's in it? It's just, it's mental.
• 50:16
  Like the little thing I'm taking from this is I think we need a
• 50:19
  race more frequently. Like especially like contract
• 50:23
  season. Like these boys are banging out
• 50:26
  like 5K twice a week. And fair enough one might go
• 50:29
  shit, but one of them is going really, really well.
• 50:34
  So it's nearly worth the gamble to just book in for a load of
• 50:37
  races and just try and nail. At least you might nail one or
• 50:41
  two of them. Need to need to get on the
• 50:43
  bicarb I think. Yeah, I'm looking actually, now
• 50:45
  that I'm here, back in Europe, there's a cheaper bicarb from
• 50:50
  what's it called? I think it is called bicarb.
• 50:52
  It's this. Yeah, little English company.
• 50:55
  Yeah, I've heard that you might we might be able to get it
• 50:57
  because I think the one that the Morton products not been like
• 51:01
  cleared for purchase here, but I've heard that there might be
• 51:04
  another, it might be that that we can buy here.
• 51:07
  So I need to look into that. It's more reasonably priced as
• 51:11
  well. Yeah, the Morton's like, I can't
• 51:13
  remember how much per use, but it's a lot.
• 51:15
  I think it's 70, €70 for four. That's crazy.
• 51:20
  So put that Aussie dollar and you're paying a lot of money,
• 51:23
  yeah. I thought that buying a couple
• 51:25
  of gels for a session was expensive but shit.
• 51:28
  Best not turn to track and get on the bicarb then.
• 51:32
  I've hopefully a 3K in the next couple of weeks so I might buy.
• 51:38
  Am I trying to buy some of that bike app for it?
• 51:41
  Did you run a 3K in Perth? Never.
• 51:43
  I've never run. I ran a 3K in like 2019 and I
• 51:49
  ran like 859. So technically that's my that's
• 51:54
  my PV. So you would have gone quicker
• 51:58
  through your 5K right? Yeah, I think I ran through 8845
• 52:03
  in the 5K. So yeah, it's exciting.
• 52:08
  Thankfully that rounds off the results.
• 52:10
  Jeez, that was a. Big Oh wait, there's one more,
• 52:12
  one more. There's a race in Ireland.
• 52:15
  There was a local well near me. There's a Dun Chocolate 10K and
• 52:19
  it's one of the like a main, one of the main like 10K road races
• 52:22
  in Ireland. And that was won in 2930 by
• 52:28
  David Mcglin from Waterford AC Second was Tige Donnelly in 2937
• 52:34
  and third was Hugh Armstrong in 30 O 1.
• 52:38
  So for use they don't know. Ireland went through a heat wave
• 52:41
  over the last couple of days and it was actually it was crazy
• 52:46
  warm. It was like 26°.
• 52:49
  Whoa. Yeah no it was warm and it was
• 52:53
  humid like yesterday. For my 2 sessions I don't want
• 52:56
  in a singlet and the other one topless.
• 52:59
  I was like, what? Both yeah, so that's good
• 53:03
  running from them lads. But yeah, that's.
• 53:06
  No, Owen, I heard on the news, sorry.
• 53:09
  I heard about the heat wave thing.
• 53:10
  Well, obviously I felt it, but they, they said on the news, the
• 53:14
  definition of heat wave is 3 consecutive days being over a
• 53:20
  certain threshold temperature. And I was laughing to myself
• 53:23
  thinking about that temperature's like 20° or
• 53:26
  something. I'm just looking now.
• 53:28
  It's probably 18. It varies per region, which is
• 53:32
  mad. So like typically I don't know
• 53:34
  how it works in Ireland. Where's the Where's the hottest
• 53:36
  place? I think it's Wexford which is
• 53:41
  below like an hour to blow Dublin.
• 53:44
  Yeah. So it's hotter down South.
• 53:46
  It's always hotter in London than it is up by me a couple of
• 53:50
  degrees. So, yeah, but there's another,
• 53:54
  there's a National Five Mile in Ireland next week, next Sunday.
• 53:58
  So I don't know if we'll get to because we record on the Sunday
• 54:02
  morning that will race will be happening when we are recording.
• 54:05
  Maybe we'll we can do a recording Sunday evening and
• 54:10
  we'll just slip. I'll slip it into the episode.
• 54:12
  We'll be covering, yeah. Yeah, like them boys.
• 54:15
  Tell us about your training, Dean.
• 54:17
  Do you want to go first? Now you can.
• 54:18
  I always go first. Right.
• 54:21
  Oh boys, just a quick one. Hans Strava, Mr. Ranch, Jake
• 54:25
  Barclough on the 20th of June, right?
• 54:30
  He just done a little was an 8K run.
• 54:33
  And if you look at the comments, this Andy Wright guy, he's after
• 54:38
  putting in a full like rap song into the comments.
• 54:45
  No, I swear on my life. It's like yo, rant to Japan.
• 54:50
  The the only, the one and only man's lat, slow, never slow,
• 54:54
  scrap in the park every stride, yo boom, guys.
• 54:58
  And this is so long. I serve it like give it a look.
• 55:02
  Rant to Japan. Fans are freaking nuts.
• 55:06
  What do they call the Ranch to Japan Army?
• 55:08
  Yeah, in the last couple of weeks he is just like explode.
• 55:13
  I don't know, it's crazy, but give that a look on the 20th.
• 55:17
  Of as has, he replied. He has replied.
• 55:20
  This is special. I have no words.
• 55:24
  I've got my SO I'm sorry. Surely it's after the the hotel,
• 55:30
  the hospital incident with the Yeah, but that made it that goes
• 55:36
  beyond running. I was talking with my cousin
• 55:38
  who's recent, more recently got into running and we were both
• 55:40
  talking about that video. Like, I think it goes beyond
• 55:44
  just running, you know, transcends running that sort of
• 55:49
  content. Did you see by the way, he on
• 55:53
  the back of those medical bills and stuff?
• 55:55
  Well, he just like mentioned that it was so expensive and
• 55:58
  he's been weighed in by subscribers.
• 56:01
  They've all started donating. Yeah.
• 56:03
  Yeah, and we, we were chatting about how how we stopped
• 56:07
  covering our own cost to this podcast.
• 56:10
  Maybe that's all we need to do, just complain about it a little
• 56:13
  bit. Get anonymous donations.
• 56:18
  Right. Anyway, my training week, Monday
• 56:22
  I done 60 minutes in the morning, followed by a few hill
• 56:27
  strides and then in the morning. In the evening, sorry I just
• 56:31
  done 30 minutes like really easy.
• 56:33
  It was my first like running easy double in a long long time.
• 56:39
  Tuesday I had double threshold so the morning session was at 2
• 56:45
  by 15 minutes with a 5 minute flow in between and then in the
• 56:51
  evening I had 4 by 5 minutes. This evening session it was like
• 56:58
  the start of the heat wave so and I didn't I wasn't expecting
• 57:03
  it. I wasn't expecting it was just
• 57:04
  really clammy and warm 20. Six degree heat wave I Yeah, no.
• 57:10
  This wouldn't have actually been this have been like 21. 22 or
• 57:13
  something, yeah. But yeah, I struggled big time.
• 57:17
  I think I've lost all of my. You literally can't take it
• 57:21
  seriously. It's hot over.
• 57:22
  Everything you know, one, it's different.
• 57:26
  No, it's different. I swear I feel like like
• 57:29
  yesterday 26° is the equivalent of like 45 in Perth.
• 57:34
  It's just for the two times like 2 * a year.
• 57:37
  You don't train in perfect weather, but yeah.
• 57:40
  Basically it was. One are you, Owen?
• 57:45
  Pardon. Do you get much wind?
• 57:47
  Yeah, that certain loops you do get hit with wind and that loop
• 57:52
  there was was a pretty. Wind.
• 57:55
  Yes, so basically the heat, the wind, there might have been a
• 57:59
  few hills on the loop. I was doing as well.
• 58:01
  So they're all the reasons I'm giving for it's sort of annoying
• 58:08
  and I don't know, you just said so used to like rattling off
• 58:12
  like B plus sessions when you have a bad one.
• 58:15
  It sort of dwells, sort of dwells on you.
• 58:18
  I don't know, you're like, oh shit, I'm not in the shape I
• 58:20
  thought I was in and all this, but you sort of just have to
• 58:23
  like forget about it. It's like, did you did you?
• 58:26
  No, I didn't. No, no, I didn't.
• 58:29
  No. Did you bet you just knew that
• 58:31
  it was harder because your heart rate was and pace?
• 58:34
  And the pace is like my legs were just dead.
• 58:36
  Like this is the last hard week in a four week block basically.
• 58:42
  So like I've been slowly increasing, increasing,
• 58:44
  increasing. So this is the hardest week and
• 58:48
  then I'll drop down to recover. So in my head I'm just like, get
• 58:51
  through this week. I'm tired legs, and I can
• 58:53
  recover next week. And in terms of workouts, like
• 58:56
  when have you ever done, because this will be 4 workouts per
• 59:00
  week, right? Yeah.
• 59:01
  And have you ever done 4 workouts per week?
• 59:04
  No, it's only two or in Australia, I don't actually 3:00
• 59:07
  every second week. So no, this is, yeah, the most
• 59:10
  I've been doing. Yeah.
• 59:12
  So that was Tuesday. Wednesday in the morning, I done
• 59:17
  60 minutes. And yeah, I was struggling at
• 59:20
  this one. I literally just dragging myself
• 59:23
  around. And then in the evening I do a
• 59:26
  circuits class. So I done circuits class
• 59:29
  Thursday. I done 70 minutes in the morning
• 59:33
  my legs are starting to come around at the end of this run
• 59:36
  and then I do weight training in the evening so lifting a little
• 59:41
  bit heavier and Friday was total rest didn't do anything Saturday
• 59:47
  I had so this is yesterday. I don't 5 by 5 minutes so got
• 59:53
  out early to try and avoid the heat force.
• 59:55
  No I'm still feeling good. I feel like because my.
• 1:00:01
  Session or on a Tuesday and a Saturday, like I've got
• 1:00:04
  Wednesday, Thursday and I'm totally off on a Friday.
• 1:00:07
  It's like I've come back around like I'm recovered by the
• 1:00:09
  Saturday. So that felt good.
• 1:00:12
  And then I done 8 by 4 minutes off, one minute recovery in the
• 1:00:18
  evening. So that was a big enough day.
• 1:00:20
  And then today I've got 90 minutes and after 45 minutes I
• 1:00:26
  can like pick it up for 10 minutes and then like come back
• 1:00:29
  down. So I'll pick it up to like my
• 1:00:32
  like my LT1 pace for 10 minutes and I'll bring it back down.
• 1:00:37
  But all up that will be nearly 130 kilometres for the week and
• 1:00:43
  the plan now, next week I'll have a down.
• 1:00:47
  Walk in last night. Yeah.
• 1:00:53
  So next week down week. So that's going to be my
• 1:00:55
  structure for the foreseeable like 3 hard weeks and then I'll
• 1:01:00
  recover it because I my body needs that recovery week just to
• 1:01:05
  download week. And like I'll still probably
• 1:01:07
  cover probably 80 to 90 kilometers.
• 1:01:10
  It's just like all of like one session a day and and just try
• 1:01:14
  and let the body absorb the training.
• 1:01:16
  Ideally I'd like to race on that week as well, just like see what
• 1:01:20
  the training's been doing. So yeah, I'll see what happens.
• 1:01:24
  But yeah, I'm going in the right direction.
• 1:01:27
  SO3 decent weeks under my belt. So yeah, I'll see what happens.
• 1:01:31
  And enjoying the to work like the double threshold, like just
• 1:01:35
  enjoying the day, like when you're doing that, not feeling
• 1:01:37
  like work and life's too too difficult.
• 1:01:40
  No, no, yeah, I've gotten into a nice routine now.
• 1:01:43
  Just it's hard in the, I feel like in Australia people go to
• 1:01:46
  bed earlier and whereas in Ireland people like, I don't
• 1:01:50
  know if it's just me and people like see up to like 10 or 11,
• 1:01:54
  which is probably actually normal.
• 1:01:55
  It was still broad daylight at 10:00 PM as.
• 1:01:58
  Well, yeah, so I like to wear an eye mask in bed because it's so
• 1:02:01
  bright, just like peer and shoot the curtains.
• 1:02:04
  We're literally like the opposite right now because it's,
• 1:02:08
  was it the like our winter solstice, our shortest day was
• 1:02:11
  yesterday, I think. And you notice that like, it's
• 1:02:14
  dark by maybe 5:30 PM So yeah, everyone's getting to bed
• 1:02:19
  earlier and sleepy. And like, even in our house,
• 1:02:22
  everyone's generally sleeping in a bit longer.
• 1:02:25
  But yeah, so do some week for me and just need to keep it going
• 1:02:29
  for another back amp. We'll probably keep on going for
• 1:02:32
  another couple of weeks, but yeah.
• 1:02:35
  Actually graduate soon. Yeah, Hello, Race.
• 1:02:41
  Yes, in my week Monday usual double to and from the office.
• 1:02:47
  I did start with some stride Monday morning, like my office
• 1:02:53
  is right next to like this steep St.
• 1:02:56
  Mount St. It's like a like a steep hill.
• 1:02:58
  So I did some hill sort of strides just before I went into
• 1:03:03
  work, which I always feel better after I do that like everything
• 1:03:07
  feels better. So I need to get into a habit of
• 1:03:09
  doing that a bit more. Tuesday I ran into the office
• 1:03:12
  and then ran down to the track and we had a 2K threshold into
• 1:03:18
  Deke's quarters and like it did like 2 weeks ago it just so we
• 1:03:23
  started the threshold and then it started absolutely.
• 1:03:26
  But like bucketing down and the the rain, it might, it might be
• 1:03:30
  like an Irish heat wave, like we're very not wet, well
• 1:03:34
  prepared for quite wet weather. So and the track, it's sort of
• 1:03:39
  just that when it gets really heavy, the track just doesn't
• 1:03:41
  clear the water. And so it was fine for the
• 1:03:45
  threshold. But then yeah, when we did the
• 1:03:47
  decks, it was just really wet, which is annoying, but got
• 1:03:51
  through it. 2K threshold was 611 and then the Dicks, I think I
• 1:03:55
  was like 70 seconds for the ONS, 40 for the floats.
• 1:03:59
  But yeah, everything felt fine. So like the week before last
• 1:04:02
  when I went down to the track, it was like a bit of a failed
• 1:04:04
  mission because I was coming off the back of that 50K so I wasn't
• 1:04:07
  able to complete the session. Whereas, yeah, I didn't feel
• 1:04:10
  nothing. Felt too bad, which was good
• 1:04:13
  cool down. Wednesday was a bit of a mess.
• 1:04:16
  I tried to get out for a run in the afternoon, started running,
• 1:04:21
  and then it started from my house.
• 1:04:23
  It was working from home and it was really wet.
• 1:04:26
  So I turned around to run on the treadmill because I just
• 1:04:28
  couldn't be bothered running in the wet for now, and then jumped
• 1:04:31
  on the treadmill and the treadmill was skipping around.
• 1:04:33
  So I lasted about two KS on the treadmill before I spat.
• 1:04:35
  The chewy went out and ran in the rain and then absolutely,
• 1:04:40
  but it wasn't raining and then it started bucketing down.
• 1:04:43
  So then I was, I don't know, I lasted like half an hour, so not
• 1:04:47
  much of it. It was like three runs that
• 1:04:49
  maybe total 10 KS. Thursday, double threshold, it
• 1:04:53
  was 3 by 8 minutes in the morning.
• 1:04:54
  So that's just around like manga.
• 1:04:58
  Yeah. Nothing particularly notable,
• 1:04:59
  just everything felt not too bad.
• 1:05:00
  And then Thursday afternoon was I was caught at work late, so I
• 1:05:06
  missed the group. So I did this by myself.
• 1:05:10
  So it's 3 minutes, 2 minutes, one minute with the same rest as
• 1:05:13
  it was on times 2. So it's 24 minutes of running,
• 1:05:19
  doing it by yourself and just with a long day of work, I just
• 1:05:21
  and doing a workout in the morning, I don't know.
• 1:05:23
  And not not, I just wasn't all that excited to do it, so I did
• 1:05:27
  it. Nothing felt amazing, but we
• 1:05:29
  also had a big workout on Saturday so I sort of wasn't
• 1:05:32
  getting too excited for it anyway.
• 1:05:34
  Is that pitch black then as well by the time you're doing that?
• 1:05:38
  Yeah, it's just, yeah, it's just dark by yourself running around
• 1:05:42
  late Monga. Everyone had cooled down.
• 1:05:44
  I think everyone was cooling down or had cooled down by this
• 1:05:46
  stage so. So hard mentally that when when
• 1:05:50
  you know that like others are finishing up and you're like
• 1:05:53
  trying to get yourself up. Yeah, I couldn't.
• 1:05:55
  Yeah. So I did it, but I was not.
• 1:05:58
  Yeah, exactly. I just wasn't.
• 1:06:00
  Like how, how does Lake Mungo now in terms of how busy it is
• 1:06:03
  compared to like a summer's evening or something?
• 1:06:06
  Yeah, no, it's completely dead. Yeah.
• 1:06:08
  There's like, not yeah, yeah, there's very few people out
• 1:06:11
  there, but yeah, a few of the nights, to be honest.
• 1:06:14
  So some of these Tuesdays we've copped some wet weather, but
• 1:06:17
  like tracks like Lakeside on like a Thursday night a couple
• 1:06:22
  of times, it's just completely still cool, crisp evening.
• 1:06:25
  Like it's beautiful to run around when it's like that.
• 1:06:29
  And it was like that. It just had no atmosphere
• 1:06:31
  because everyone was going home but did it.
• 1:06:34
  And it was probably good not to have gone too hard because we
• 1:06:36
  had. So yeah, Friday I squeezed in a
• 1:06:39
  smaller run in the morning and then ran home from the office in
• 1:06:43
  the afternoon. And then Saturday we had a
• 1:06:46
  larger workout. I think it'd been a couple of
• 1:06:48
  week. RAF was sort of this, I'm not
• 1:06:50
  going to race in the next few weeks.
• 1:06:51
  So this was sort of, and the group was doing, there's a big
• 1:06:54
  group ahead of Gold Coast Marathon or half Marathon doing
• 1:06:57
  like some big workouts. So we sort of, a few of us
• 1:07:00
  joined in to do them just to sort of have some added training
• 1:07:05
  stimulus given there was the opportunity for that.
• 1:07:07
  So rather than just our regular Saturday morning, we did Max and
• 1:07:11
  I had 11 by 1K on one K off. But the offs weren't
• 1:07:16
  particularly off. So I think the hope was to maybe
• 1:07:19
  run around three O 7 for the ONS and 319 for the offs.
• 1:07:23
  And again, it's sort of bucketed down maybe 15 minutes in, which
• 1:07:27
  was super annoying. It was pretty wet, a wet
• 1:07:30
  morning. So we ref sort of said just
• 1:07:33
  start at 310 pace and see where you get to.
• 1:07:36
  And yeah, it didn't really progress much from that.
• 1:07:38
  We're pretty soaked by maybe 5 KS into it.
• 1:07:42
  But yeah, it's sort of, I did all the reps didn't feel too
• 1:07:46
  bad. I didn't feel like I was
• 1:07:48
  completely all out. So yeah, it was 11/22 KS 315
• 1:07:52
  average. For 3:15 average.
• 1:07:54
  So you were around 3:20 or something for the offs?
• 1:07:57
  Yeah, so it kept them. The offs were all pretty similar
• 1:08:00
  and then yeah, the ONS were around that 310.
• 1:08:03
  You and Max done the whole thing together.
• 1:08:06
  Max and I were together for about 6 reps and then yeah, he
• 1:08:09
  said, he said his legs were, I think his legs were starting to
• 1:08:12
  seize up. So he's never run that far
• 1:08:14
  before. And I think he was pretty
• 1:08:16
  wrecked by the end. Like he jumped on the air spin
• 1:08:19
  bike or some of the elliptical or whatever cross trainer to for
• 1:08:23
  his cooldown. I think he was pretty wrecked by
• 1:08:24
  the end of it, just these quads were destroyed I think.
• 1:08:29
  Because that's 22K of warehouse volume and then you warm up,
• 1:08:33
  cool down. Are you fueling throughout that
• 1:08:35
  or not? I had some toast before I left
• 1:08:38
  and I took a gel with me. So I had a gel that was that's
• 1:08:43
  about it. Yeah, it's probably not ideal is
• 1:08:48
  I'm bad with that sort of stuff like, and I literally have a box
• 1:08:51
  of gels, you know, like Vlad supplies me with all this stuff.
• 1:08:55
  I, I don't know why I didn't take more of it.
• 1:08:57
  I don't know. I just thought it's a half
• 1:08:59
  marathon so I don't need to. It's probably not, because it's
• 1:09:02
  not. It's not like titled.
• 1:09:05
  If it was titled as a marathon workout, then you would probably
• 1:09:08
  take it more seriously. But.
• 1:09:09
  Every 15 minutes I'll be grabbing something off the
• 1:09:11
  table. But because in my head it was
• 1:09:13
  just like 1/2 marathon workout, I didn't.
• 1:09:16
  I literally thought I was being smart carrying a gel with me.
• 1:09:20
  But yeah, you're probably right. I probably should have, could
• 1:09:21
  have had a bit more than that, but I didn't.
• 1:09:24
  Which leads me into my long run. I didn't take anything on my
• 1:09:27
  long run today. Two hours, 15, just laps around
• 1:09:33
  herdsmen with Josh joined us for a couple and yeah, ticked it
• 1:09:37
  off. Just under 30 KS, so I think
• 1:09:40
  that's like 157 case for the week.
• 1:09:44
  Are Are you sure you're not? Running out of jealous?
• 1:09:46
  Because that's unusual for you to not take any, isn't it?
• 1:09:49
  Yeah, I've just been, I don't know what I'm doing, to be
• 1:09:52
  honest. I don't know.
• 1:09:52
  I just didn't think. It's just just bad planning when
• 1:09:57
  I'm running out the door, to be honest, I, I think if I'm not
• 1:09:59
  hungry when I leave the house, I'm like, I'll be all right.
• 1:10:02
  And then you get out there and you're like, it's not smart.
• 1:10:05
  Wouldn't have minded one. What are you still starting at
• 1:10:08
  6:00 AM or 603? No, I think the the group's
• 1:10:12
  fallen apart, to be honest. So, yeah.
• 1:10:16
  And so it's been a bit easier. Hails will get up and do her run
• 1:10:21
  and then they normally head out. They're normally got to catch up
• 1:10:25
  in the morning. So I'll help with that and then
• 1:10:27
  I'll go for my run so it starts a bit later.
• 1:10:29
  At least you can wait for daylight then as well.
• 1:10:32
  Yeah, it's a bit more pleasant running when it when the sun's
• 1:10:34
  up. We started that workout
• 1:10:35
  yesterday in the pitch black. So mileage for you. 158.
• 1:10:40
  Very nice. We're bubbling nicely, fellas.
• 1:10:45
  How are you going on, Ryan? Well, I said on my little insert
• 1:10:48
  last week I'm going to stop doing the training updates
• 1:10:50
  because nothing's really happening.
• 1:10:52
  However, like I've still been cross training and stuff.
• 1:10:55
  And then I got a massage because someone told me on the stack
• 1:10:59
  last week, I said they had planter stuff back when they
• 1:11:02
  used to run, said they tried the shockwave, didn't work.
• 1:11:05
  And in the end they just got someone to massage it.
• 1:11:08
  Like really get the thumbs in and just grin and bear it.
• 1:11:11
  So I wasn't happy to hear this, but I thought, well, I'm going
• 1:11:14
  to have to give it a go, aren't I?
• 1:11:16
  So booked in with this woman, Southwest Sports therapy on the
• 1:11:20
  world. And she, like, really went to
• 1:11:23
  work on my calf and my Achilles and, like, the sole of my foot.
• 1:11:28
  And at first she was like, good Lord, this is like concrete.
• 1:11:33
  No wonder, like, you're ruined. And that's an observation that
• 1:11:36
  Raff's made in the past. He was like, you've got dead
• 1:11:38
  stiff feet. You need to get the Chinese
• 1:11:41
  women to get the hands into them.
• 1:11:44
  And by the end of the session, she was like, I'm getting some
• 1:11:51
  more movement now. It is loosening up and stuff, so
• 1:11:55
  I don't want to jump the gun. It does feel a little bit
• 1:11:57
  better, but I'm still not going to run or anything this week
• 1:12:00
  because what's the point of another week, another massage,
• 1:12:04
  keep cross training And then maybe like when I get back to
• 1:12:07
  Perth now I'll I'll hopefully give it a crack.
• 1:12:11
  It's maybe it's reached the point as well where I probably
• 1:12:13
  should give it a go. And I'm now a little bit scared
• 1:12:16
  like am I going to make it worse or not?
• 1:12:18
  But obviously there comes a point we need to try so.
• 1:12:21
  Have you tried them needling? No.
• 1:12:24
  And you've had success that as well?
• 1:12:26
  Yeah, I just feel like a needle can get to places that like
• 1:12:30
  hands can't, but I don't know. If it as well.
• 1:12:33
  Pardon. She done one of those cups.
• 1:12:35
  You know what people get on the back, the suction thing.
• 1:12:37
  Yeah, yeah, She had one of them on the foot like.
• 1:12:40
  Yeah. It'd be worth your while looking
• 1:12:42
  up through needles. Like, has there been any, like,
• 1:12:45
  proven success with needles? Yeah.
• 1:12:48
  Does that hurt now after the massage?
• 1:12:51
  No I reckon the pain is coming down and in the gym.
• 1:12:54
  Yesterday of joined the local gym for a week just so I can
• 1:12:57
  cross train and stuff. I actually done some drills and
• 1:13:02
  felt fine, so I was thinking maybe I should just go for a
• 1:13:05
  run, see what happens. So is that a gym in Liverpool?
• 1:13:10
  In the world, yeah. And how much are you looking at
• 1:13:13
  a week for that? Offensive to be fair, £25 for a
• 1:13:16
  week's pass $50. Oh, it's no Revo.
• 1:13:19
  Yeah, no, it's it's a good gym now.
• 1:13:22
  Good. Yeah.
• 1:13:23
  Tell you what is it's an, it's a hybrid Rockstarz gym.
• 1:13:26
  Oh. God here.
• 1:13:29
  We go. That's what they're all up to in
• 1:13:34
  there. The world's gone.
• 1:13:35
  Oh, but I actually seen Instagram Reel of this, like the
• 1:13:39
  World Championships of them hybrid rockstars.
• 1:13:42
  And then they were doing the sled push, right, the sled push.
• 1:13:46
  And one of the guys got a dodgy lane.
• 1:13:50
  So the carpet that he had to push the sled on was like, it
• 1:13:54
  wasn't sliding as easy as it was in other lanes.
• 1:13:57
  Seen that? Yeah, I think I'm saying that he
• 1:14:01
  was pulling the rug from underneath himself.
• 1:14:03
  Yeah, he was going crazy. He was not a happy rock star,
• 1:14:08
  but but yeah, Oh my God. When you compare that to running
• 1:14:15
  it doesn't make any sense. Like it's like doing the 5K
• 1:14:19
  champs Dean you go and run a flat course and yours has got
• 1:14:23
  hills in and usually run against each other.
• 1:14:25
  It's like the hell. But I guess that that just rubs
• 1:14:30
  off on the hybrid Rockstar organization.
• 1:14:33
  Sums up, yeah. Something that I don't
• 1:14:37
  understand, something that upsets me generally is like
• 1:14:39
  course certification. So like, how do you know?
• 1:14:42
  Because a lot of the times people compare their time
• 1:14:45
  because, you know, it's the same activities, same disciplines
• 1:14:48
  every time. But how accurate is the 1
• 1:14:51
  kilometer? They're definitely measuring it
• 1:14:53
  off a Garmin watch like 100%. Yeah, it yeah, from what I've
• 1:14:58
  seen, looks suspicious. Some of them.
• 1:15:00
  You need that trundle wheel. Need at least a trundle wheel,
• 1:15:04
  yeah? I don't know why the the hybrid
• 1:15:07
  topic reminds me of this, but did you see that?
• 1:15:10
  I don't want to upset anyone with this, but the reel I shared
• 1:15:14
  to my personal Instagram the other day about the the nose
• 1:15:17
  tape. No, go on.
• 1:15:19
  You know, there's things, the things that people wear across
• 1:15:21
  the nose there. Yeah, this guy.
• 1:15:23
  'S making the piss. Sorry.
• 1:15:25
  I think like there's like a brand breathe right like it like
• 1:15:28
  it's it's a flexible metal bar that goes over the bridge, ear
• 1:15:32
  nose to help expand your nasal. Passage yeah, this.
• 1:15:37
  So I'm not going to put it on the on the podcasts thing, but
• 1:15:41
  I'll send it to you and if anyone's interested in having a
• 1:15:44
  laugh, they can go and find it. But this guy's tipped his nose
• 1:15:48
  upwards. Oh, I seen it.
• 1:15:50
  I seen it. And he's just walking around
• 1:15:53
  like, oh, I can breathe so much more air because I remember like
• 1:16:00
  seeing people start to wear them.
• 1:16:01
  And I was like, genuinely intrigued.
• 1:16:03
  Is there any benefit to it? So for I'll do a bit of reading.
• 1:16:07
  And in summary, they say it does open up your your nasal passage,
• 1:16:12
  but you only breathe through your nose in day-to-day, like
• 1:16:16
  when you low heart rates, like it's easy breathing, when you
• 1:16:20
  actually come to demand more air, you start breathing through
• 1:16:23
  your mouth. So like these people wearing it
• 1:16:26
  for exercise? That's double trouble.
• 1:16:28
  That's double trouble. That thing is scam.
• 1:16:32
  You cannot get enough air through your little nostrils
• 1:16:35
  when you were running. It's irrelevant, no.
• 1:16:37
  Galen used to wear them. Oh, here we go.
• 1:16:41
  If Galen Robb jumped off a bridge, would you?
• 1:16:45
  That logic, that's bad logic. I'm just saying maybe he's, I
• 1:16:49
  mean, he's, he's tried a few things.
• 1:16:52
  So, you know, I, I didn't see him wearing them at London, but
• 1:16:55
  I have seen him with them back in the day.
• 1:16:57
  It might have been in his collegiate days.
• 1:17:00
  As well, we often, we often talk about scientific training
• 1:17:04
  measures, heart rate, lactate, whatever.
• 1:17:06
  Maybe we should do a couple of sessions with the nose tape on
• 1:17:10
  the nose tape off and see the effects.
• 1:17:13
  Bit of anecdotal, see if we find an improvement.
• 1:17:16
  If it works, it works, you know. Publish a paper on it.
• 1:17:19
  Easy double. If someone wants to send them
• 1:17:22
  our way, yeah sure, but I'm not spending my money on the nose
• 1:17:26
  drips. No, no one's sending those nose
• 1:17:29
  strips after this conversation. So we have digressed.
• 1:17:37
  However, there are a few more things that I'd wanted to talk
• 1:17:40
  about in terms of news. So get in the Britain was found
• 1:17:45
  predominantly not guilty of all the charges and accusations
• 1:17:49
  brought towards him from Jacob and the brothers and the sister
• 1:17:53
  this week, besides 1. He was found guilty of beating
• 1:17:57
  his daughter, but he was cleared of everything towards the boys.
• 1:18:02
  Now you shouldn't just brush over the fact that he's been
• 1:18:04
  found guilty of beating his daughter because to me that's
• 1:18:07
  like the worst one there is. But they know in the articles
• 1:18:10
  that I've read and the way that's being communicated, it's
• 1:18:13
  like it was a win for him almost because he got off with
• 1:18:16
  everything else. But it's like, well, you beaten
• 1:18:18
  your daughter up mate, just because he avoided jail, I think
• 1:18:22
  is the headline. And it's a shame, really, for,
• 1:18:24
  like, yeah, Hope and his brothers to go through all of
• 1:18:27
  that. Like, some of the things that
• 1:18:28
  they actually accused them of doing.
• 1:18:31
  It's like they said he threatened to drag him out of a
• 1:18:34
  car and beat him to death. Jakob said he would routinely be
• 1:18:38
  punched around the head until he vomited.
• 1:18:41
  Like, it's pretty brutal stuff. I mean, obviously, this is the
• 1:18:43
  stuff he's been cleared of. So court decides at the end of
• 1:18:47
  the day. But it's pretty heavy.
• 1:18:49
  Like next on of a similar vein, not positive news, but you know,
• 1:18:56
  we've we've spoken of podium 5K the the fast 5K's that are put
• 1:19:02
  on in the UK. They use a couple of locations,
• 1:19:06
  Barrowford, Leicestershire and yeah, we've given the brief on
• 1:19:11
  it before, but to get pros down to these meats and stuff, the
• 1:19:15
  race director, Chris Barnes been banned for life over
• 1:19:19
  inappropriate relationships and racist language.
• 1:19:22
  So I mean, the reading here is pretty grim as well.
• 1:19:26
  I won't quote it because actually I don't really want to
• 1:19:29
  say the sort of stuff, but the headline says it all.
• 1:19:31
  Racist and inappropriate relationships.
• 1:19:34
  If anyone's interested in the story, the articles on the
• 1:19:38
  Guardian. But yeah, it was come back it's.
• 1:19:41
  Shocking. And lastly, there was a lot of
• 1:19:44
  talk last week, obviously, but Grand Slam track being cancelled
• 1:19:47
  And then did you see they? And now I'm like, I'm looking at
• 1:19:50
  like, was it a publicity stunt? Because then two days later,
• 1:19:53
  they signed this media deal with Sun Sun Media Dial.
• 1:19:58
  Something Sundial Media Group. And they're confirming that
• 1:20:03
  they're back for 26. There's all these new payment
• 1:20:07
  formats from this partner. So I mean it is interesting
• 1:20:10
  like, but don't know whether you're coming or going with it.
• 1:20:14
  I think they had to release something because everyone
• 1:20:16
  thought they cancelled for financial reasons and like,
• 1:20:21
  looking back, like opening up that thing that the grand
• 1:20:25
  soundtrack in Jamaica was the worst thing they could have ever
• 1:20:28
  done. Like the meat visually was shit.
• 1:20:31
  There was no, there was no fans there.
• 1:20:35
  The times were really slow. The weather was shit.
• 1:20:38
  Like it couldn't have gotten off to a worse start.
• 1:20:42
  So yeah, hopefully they like 100 grand is like a lot, a lot of
• 1:20:47
  money. Like even if they halved it like
• 1:20:49
  it would be good. The good thing about about us is
• 1:20:52
  like we don't have any commercial agreements with
• 1:20:56
  anyone. So we'll literally just say in
• 1:20:57
  our opinion, whether it's a bad opinion or a wrong opinion,
• 1:21:00
  whatever. We're just we are speaking
• 1:21:02
  honestly. So like city is mug.
• 1:21:05
  You know that Chris Chavez, they got involved with a bit of a
• 1:21:09
  partnership with them, didn't he?
• 1:21:11
  And I heard them trying to explain it the other day and it
• 1:21:14
  was a bit difficult to listen to because, you know, he's kind of
• 1:21:17
  endorsed by them and he's trying to be a bit of a sympathizer or
• 1:21:22
  apologize for them. And it's like, come on.
• 1:21:26
  I think he's involved. He recruits the athletes for
• 1:21:28
  them. Oh man.
• 1:21:31
  But anyway, this SMTG partnership that says they'll
• 1:21:35
  secure strategic commercial partnerships for Grand Slam
• 1:21:39
  tracks 26 season and beyond, with 10% of all related
• 1:21:43
  sponsorship sales by SMTG paid directly to the Grand Slam track
• 1:21:49
  races. The partnership will include
• 1:21:51
  interactive digital content and athlete driven storytelling.
• 1:21:54
  Which you can tell they tried to do that with how it is now
• 1:21:57
  because care started his YouTube.
• 1:22:00
  So over we're doing theirs, a new media platform.
• 1:22:03
  This one's interesting, a new media platform that allows fans
• 1:22:07
  to Co create, share and own pieces of the narrative.
• 1:22:11
  So I don't know, I think everyone's turned into, if they
• 1:22:14
  weren't already a skeptic, they are now very skeptical.
• 1:22:17
  But let's just see what happens. Did you listen either of you
• 1:22:21
  guys listen to the Coffee Cup podcast when they spoke about it
• 1:22:24
  a little bit and they were. I think Ollie Hall was in Europe
• 1:22:28
  when and he was saying there was some rumours circulating ahead
• 1:22:32
  of the announcements that it was that they were going to can LA
• 1:22:36
  meet. And so it sounded like and there
• 1:22:38
  was talk about athletes not getting paid and some the major
• 1:22:41
  sponsor or sponsors pulling out and those sorts of things.
• 1:22:44
  So at least with this sort of positive news, it sounds like
• 1:22:47
  those sorts of rumours around it folding sounds like that's not
• 1:22:50
  happening, which is really good for the sport, right?
• 1:22:53
  Like, you know, when you were talking about like George Mills
• 1:22:57
  or, or who maybe it was you, Ron, but we were talking about
• 1:23:00
  how much, how little they, some of these guys are getting paid,
• 1:23:02
  right, in terms of financial support.
• 1:23:06
  So at least if there's more competition.
• 1:23:08
  So didn't the Diamond League increase money a sort of a
• 1:23:11
  little bit in response? So like, yeah, as as shitty as
• 1:23:15
  Grand Slam's been to follow, like it's been pretty average to
• 1:23:18
  we've been, I was excited for it ahead of it starting and then
• 1:23:21
  the first mate was terrible to view.
• 1:23:23
  And so there's in terms of like an experience for for viewers,
• 1:23:27
  it's been bad, very bad. But if they get that right and
• 1:23:32
  there's really good money for some of these athletes and maybe
• 1:23:36
  they do it in a better way where like I don't know if there's
• 1:23:39
  such a high amount of money and such drama ahead of like people
• 1:23:44
  sort of earning a decent check or I don't know, they need to
• 1:23:48
  make it so it's worth something for people to want to follow.
• 1:23:50
  And you can feel the excitement of the athletes sort of ahead of
• 1:23:54
  those races. If they can capture that and we
• 1:23:56
  can follow that, then I think it's still got a place and it's
• 1:23:59
  good in terms of it brings up it all the the rest of the sport
• 1:24:02
  and athletes are getting paid more and canmore solely focus
• 1:24:05
  themselves on being full time professional athletes.
• 1:24:07
  And I think it's a good thing. But yeah, it was certainly ship
• 1:24:11
  viewing experience for the first year, I think.
• 1:24:13
  It was Andrew Costa. Stories about.
• 1:24:16
  That like likes of him, like he hasn't won a Diamond League or
• 1:24:20
  anything like that. So his only source of income is
• 1:24:22
  True Athletics Ireland and I don't know whether new bands are
• 1:24:25
  paying him and whatever prize money he gets then.
• 1:24:28
  So for him to come second and ground soundtrack and get like
• 1:24:31
  50 grand, like in that situation, like that is like
• 1:24:35
  light training that changing like that will support that will
• 1:24:37
  fund I don't know how many training camps for him.
• 1:24:40
  So in that way, like, it's so, so good.
• 1:24:43
  But you don't feel that and that's the issue, like you don't
• 1:24:46
  get that. You don't feel excited for him.
• 1:24:49
  And I think if you had a better way of sharing his story in the
• 1:24:54
  lead up to those races and building some drama and, and,
• 1:24:57
  and letting us know what it means for them and what that's
• 1:25:00
  going to do for their season. Then all of a sudden when you're
• 1:25:02
  watching that race and you see him kicking over the top and
• 1:25:05
  stuff, you're like, holy shit, how cool is this?
• 1:25:07
  Yeah, like there should be even a little sub series on the
• 1:25:10
  challengers because like they are sort of like the underdog,
• 1:25:13
  like the racers are like the cram, little cram, whereas the
• 1:25:16
  challengers can. Yeah.
• 1:25:18
  And some sort of like the races maybe get some sort of base
• 1:25:21
  salary that they for signing up. But then these challenges if
• 1:25:25
  they create an upset by beating them should get some sort of
• 1:25:28
  added financial incentive which which makes it quite exciting.
• 1:25:32
  And then even like, say live golf, you know, like live golf
• 1:25:35
  or like that's huge money in golf, but a lot of them don't
• 1:25:39
  they get cut. So like a lot of the top player,
• 1:25:42
  like they don't survive in live golf unless your your ranking
• 1:25:46
  for the year is is at a certain amount and that it's the same as
• 1:25:50
  like in the Premier League. It's same with like even the PGA
• 1:25:53
  when you're losing your tour card like that sort of around
• 1:25:56
  the fringes is super exciting. Like the like if they could race
• 1:25:59
  for a spot or something like that would be awesome, like a
• 1:26:02
  spot on the permanent roster or something like that.
• 1:26:04
  Because imagine if you're then now locked in for a full season
• 1:26:07
  where you're guaranteed a wage, which in athletics that really
• 1:26:10
  doesn't happen. But if Grand Slam could ensure
• 1:26:12
  some sort of financial support, then all of a sudden for the
• 1:26:16
  next year you sort of know that you can commit yourself fully to
• 1:26:19
  certain races and to to rather than having to work or whatever.
• 1:26:23
  Win yourself a contract. Yeah.
• 1:26:25
  What's matters? I don't think I've told you
• 1:26:28
  this. I don't know why, but if you can
• 1:26:30
  put two and two together, you will.
• 1:26:33
  You'll realise what the source was, and you'll know that the
• 1:26:37
  source was reliable. But a few months ago someone
• 1:26:41
  told me that when they were putting together the Jamaica
• 1:26:45
  meat that Kyle Merba, who's responsible for getting all the
• 1:26:49
  athletes, he contacted Dave from Ritzenheim and was asking about
• 1:26:55
  the on guys and set was saying like, can you please just send
• 1:27:00
  anyone? Is there anyone who'll come?
• 1:27:01
  Like we're struggling. We can't get athletes signed up
• 1:27:04
  and none of them wanted to go. Wow.
• 1:27:08
  Yes, it's how I thought. Maybe they just didn't.
• 1:27:11
  That was the opposite. I didn't.
• 1:27:12
  I thought maybe they did it, They weren't asked.
• 1:27:14
  So that's interesting. Anyway, is that?
• 1:27:16
  A big answer, Yeah. We'll call it a rumour.
• 1:27:21
  Nothing's fact that comes out of my mouth.
• 1:27:24
  I'm not saying it's fact. It's all my opinion.
• 1:27:27
  Same. Even the ranks.
• 1:27:31
  Result. This is where we insert like a
• 1:27:34
  legal debrief or something distancing ourselves from
• 1:27:38
  statements. All the doping accusations we
• 1:27:42
  made all. Right, lads, I think that's a
• 1:27:45
  wrap. Yeah.
• 1:27:47
  Do you vent them planned for next week guys when you go back
• 1:27:49
  to Perth around? A week on Tuesday.
• 1:27:51
  I'll save another. You might get another bit.
• 1:27:53
  The heat wave over here, even though it's raining right now in
• 1:27:56
  Ireland, I'm looking at the window here.
• 1:27:58
  It lasted a day. Oh, isn't next week is Kippy
• 1:28:02
  Aegon's thing? Isn't it on the 26th the
• 1:28:04
  breaking 4? Yeah.
• 1:28:06
  Is it? Yeah.
• 1:28:08
  Well, let's do like a little. Let's everyone pick a pick a
• 1:28:11
  time, pick a, pick an estimate. If we get the second then we'll
• 1:28:15
  dealt with. Oh, it owes us extra coffees.
• 1:28:20
  Coffee in the croissant. So you have to send.
• 1:28:24
  US 404.5. I think she'll go 359 his.
• 1:28:30
  Team took down as a coffee Dean. Yeah, he's just racking them up
• 1:28:35
  for I'll go, I'll go. Yeah. 4 O you go four O 4.
• 1:28:40
  Four O 4.5. Oh yeah, I'll go four O 5.
• 1:28:43
  Like it's not legal. What she's doing is not going to
• 1:28:45
  be legal. It's going to be like Kipchogi
• 1:28:47
  breaking too. Like it's not legal, it's not
• 1:28:49
  going to go down in the history works as well.
• 1:28:50
  I know the how though. She.
• 1:28:52
  Was on World Athletics verified? So I wouldn't be surprised if
• 1:28:57
  she does do it. Yeah, I just can't.
• 1:28:59
  I think. I still think the gap's too big.
• 1:29:01
  Who knows? I could be.
• 1:29:03
  Quick on when Kipchogi broke too.
• 1:29:05
  Was his shoes that super high stack or were they just outflow
• 1:29:09
  on? They were, yeah.
• 1:29:11
  No, they they were Alpha, I think.
• 1:29:14
  Alpha fly. Yeah.
• 1:29:14
  Oh, OK. OK, OK.
• 1:29:17
  They weren't anything beyond 40 mil, although there's talk of
• 1:29:20
  them being designed specifically for his fortune rah rah, but I
• 1:29:24
  didn't think they were. They didn't look anything
• 1:29:26
  unusual. Like I think the the 4% was born
• 1:29:29
  out of his first attempt and then it was just the next
• 1:29:32
  iteration of that was the breaking 2 issue.
• 1:29:35
  You know, Speaking of buying coffees, this is just going to
• 1:29:38
  allow me to plug the The interview with RAF seems to have
• 1:29:42
  been received well. Like people enjoyed it and
• 1:29:45
  stuff. Hopefully they got a lot out of
• 1:29:47
  it or at least something out of it.
• 1:29:49
  But Josh messaged as usual with a listener question for RAF and
• 1:29:56
  shock. We didn't go through it because
• 1:29:58
  it wasn't PG. Well, he was, he was asking him,
• 1:30:01
  he was asking him what he got for Secret Santa and he wanted
• 1:30:06
  he wanted me to live. Call him in to the interview and
• 1:30:10
  he said I'll buy you all coffee if you can dial me in and I'll
• 1:30:13
  ask him that. Oh.
• 1:30:16
  Dear guy, No that that's on the Patreon.
• 1:30:20
  The Patreon that we're putting out there for free.
• 1:30:24
  That would be priceless. Oh my God.
• 1:30:26
  And might also be the right time to say, watch this space.
• 1:30:30
  There could be another interview coming up.
• 1:30:33
  Oh, don't drop any hints. Don't drop any hints.
• 1:30:39
  Big. Probably one of the biggest
• 1:30:41
  names in running genuinely. At the moment, don't would say.
• 1:30:45
  Worldwide. Worldwide.
• 1:30:46
  No, Worldwide. Don't say anything.
• 1:30:50
  Don't drop a hint. Just the hard keep joking I.
• 1:30:54
  See, it's for dropping. That this end recording button
• 1:30:58
  is growing in size it's. Going to be our longest 1 yet
• 1:31:03
  too. Not much of an edit either,
• 1:31:06
  right? Let's wrap it up.
• 1:31:07
  Cheers. Yeah, boys, good luck.