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Minority Report: Choosing Beliefs or Just Chosen? · Systematic Geekology

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  You
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  don't
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  choose
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  the
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  things
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  you
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  believe
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  in.
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  They
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  choose
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  you.
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  According
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  to
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  Lamar
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  burgess
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  in
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  Steven
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  Spielberg's
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  2002
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  film,
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  Minority
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  Report.
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  Today
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  we're
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  going
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  to
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  find
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  out
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  what
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  beliefs
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  chose
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  us
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  about
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  justice,
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  redemption,
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  the
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  future,
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  and
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  more.
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  And
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  I
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  say
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  we.
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  I
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  am
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  myself,
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  Amandi
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  Walsh
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  and
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  I'm
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  here
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  with
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  TJ
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  And
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  Kevin,
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  regular
• 1:32
  hosts
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  of
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  the
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  Systematic
• 1:34
  Ecology
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  podcast.
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  And
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  we
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  have
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  a
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  special
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  guest
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  with
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  us
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  today,
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  Thomas
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  J.
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  Ord.
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  I'm
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  gonna
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  give
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  you
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  a
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  little
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  bit
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  of
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  a
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  bio
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  about
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  him.
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  He
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  is
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  a
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  theologian,
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  philosopher
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  and
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  scholar
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  of
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  multidisciplinary
• 1:45
  studies.
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  He's
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  a
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  best
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  selling
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  and
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  award
• 1:47
  winning
• 1:47
  author,
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  having
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  written
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  or
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  edited
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  more
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  than
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  30
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  books.
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  And
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  as
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  a
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  personal
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  plug,
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  the
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  uncontrolled
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  love
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  of
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  God
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  was
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  personally
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  significant
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  for
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  me.
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  He
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  directs
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  the
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  center
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  for
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  Open
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  and
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  Relational
• 1:57
  Theology
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  and
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  he
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  is
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  known
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  for
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  his
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  research
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  and
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  writing
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  on
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  love,
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  open
• 2:00
  and
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  relational
• 2:01
  theology,
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  science
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  and
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  religion,
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  evil
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  and
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  power,
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  and
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  the
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  implications
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  of
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  freedom
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  and
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  relationships
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  for
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  transformation.
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  Which
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  is
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  why
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  we've
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  asked
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  them
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  to
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  discuss
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  this
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  film
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  about
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  destiny
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  and
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  choices.
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  Welcome.
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  Tom,
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  do
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  you
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  want
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  to
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  say
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  a
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  little
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  bit
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  more
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  about
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  yourself
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  and
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  also
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  anything
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  you
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  might
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  be
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  geeking
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  out
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  on
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  these
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  days?
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  Aha.
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  Well,
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  thanks
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  for
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  the
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  opportunity.
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  I'm
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  looking
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  forward
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  to
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  this
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  discussion
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  and
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  this
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  particular
• 2:21
  movie.
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  I
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  think
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  it's
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  going
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  to
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  spark
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  some
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  great
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  dialogue.
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  What
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  am
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  I
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  doing
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  these
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  days?
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  You
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  know,
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  I'm
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  still
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  directing
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  doctoral
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  students
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  in
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  open
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  and
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  relational
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  theology.
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  I'm
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  writing
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  a
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  systematic
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  theology.
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  Actually,
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  it's
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  a
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  systematic
• 2:37
  theology
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  of
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  love.
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  And
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  I'm
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  posting
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  the
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  chapters
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  on
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  Substack,
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  so
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  if
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  folks
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  are
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  interested
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  in
• 2:43
  that,
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  they
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  might
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  check
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  that
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  out.
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  Pretty
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  cool.
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  Excellent.
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  And
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  tj,
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  what
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  are
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  you
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  geeking
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  out
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  on
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  these
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  days?
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  The
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  new
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  Dying
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  Light
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  game.
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  Dying
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  like
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  the
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  Beast.
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  It's
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  so
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  good.
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  A
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  true
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  successor
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  to
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  the
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  first
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  game.
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  It's
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  phenomenal.
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  And
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  having
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  a
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  great
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  time.
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  Awesome.
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  What
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  sort
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  of
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  game
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  are
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  we
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  talking
• 3:00
  about?
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  Oh,
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  zombies.
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  How
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  did
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  I
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  not
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  know
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  that?
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  Oh
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  yeah,
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  it's
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  phenomenal.
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  It's
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  so
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  fun.
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  It's
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  such
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  a
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  good
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  time.
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  Go
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  drop
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  kick
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  a
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  few.
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  Make
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  a
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  new
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  weapon
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  because
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  it
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  broke.
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  Drop
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  kick
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  some
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  more
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  zombies.
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  It's
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  a
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  little
• 3:12
  parkour
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  in
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  there.
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  Awesome.
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  And
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  Kevin,
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  how
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  about
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  you?
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  So
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  I
• 3:17
  saw
• 3:17
  the
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  new
• 3:17
  Paul
• 3:18
  Thomas
• 3:18
  Anderson
• 3:18
  film
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  the
• 3:19
  other
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  day.
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  One
• 3:20
  battle
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  after
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  another.
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  It
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  is
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  amazing.
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  I
• 3:22
  would
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  say
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  as
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  soon
• 3:23
  as
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  you're
• 3:23
  done
• 3:24
  listening
• 3:24
  to
• 3:24
  this
• 3:24
  podcast,
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  go
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  see
• 3:25
  it
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  on
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  the
• 3:26
  biggest
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  screen
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  as
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  soon
• 3:27
  as
• 3:27
  you
• 3:27
  can.
• 3:28
  Leonardo
• 3:29
  DiCapiero
• 3:30
  de
• 3:30
  Taylor,
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  Sean
• 3:31
  Penn,
• 3:32
  Benicho
• 3:32
  del
• 3:32
  Toro.
• 3:33
  It's
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  a
• 3:34
  big
• 3:35
  action
• 3:35
  war
• 3:36
  epic,
• 3:36
  but
• 3:36
  also
• 3:37
  a
• 3:37
  very
• 3:37
  timely
• 3:38
  satire.
• 3:39
  I
• 3:39
  loved
• 3:40
  it.
• 3:40
  I
• 3:40
  thought
• 3:40
  it
• 3:40
  was
• 3:40
  one
• 3:40
  of
• 3:40
  Anderson's
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  best.
• 3:41
  And
• 3:42
  yeah,
• 3:43
  I'll
• 3:43
  probably.
• 3:43
  I'll
• 3:44
  talk
• 3:44
  about
• 3:44
  it
• 3:44
  more
• 3:44
  in
• 3:45
  the
• 3:45
  future
• 3:45
  if
• 3:45
  I
• 3:45
  get
• 3:45
  some
• 3:46
  other
• 3:46
  hosts
• 3:46
  of
• 3:46
  the
• 3:46
  show
• 3:47
  to
• 3:47
  watch
• 3:47
  it.
• 3:47
  There's
• 3:48
  a
• 3:48
  lot
• 3:48
  to
• 3:48
  dissect
• 3:49
  in
• 3:49
  that
• 3:49
  film,
• 3:49
  but
• 3:50
  all
• 3:50
  I
• 3:50
  can
• 3:50
  say
• 3:50
  right
• 3:50
  now
• 3:51
  is
• 3:51
  go
• 3:51
  see
• 3:51
  it.
• 3:52
  Yeah,
• 3:52
  I've
• 3:53
  seen
• 3:53
  like
• 3:53
  an
• 3:53
  absurd
• 3:54
  number
• 3:54
  of
• 3:54
  people
• 3:54
  saying,
• 3:54
  hey,
• 3:55
  I
• 3:55
  saw
• 3:55
  this
• 3:55
  in
• 3:55
  70
• 3:56
  millimeter
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  IMAX.
• 3:58
  Wildest
• 3:59
  film
• 3:59
  experience
• 3:59
  of
• 4:00
  my
• 4:00
  life.
• 4:01
  I
• 4:01
  guess
• 4:01
  I
• 4:01
  forgot
• 4:02
  to
• 4:02
  do
• 4:02
  my
• 4:02
  geek
• 4:03
  out
• 4:03
  thing
• 4:03
  too.
• 4:03
  I
• 4:04
  apologize
• 4:04
  for
• 4:05
  that.
• 4:05
  My
• 4:05
  geek
• 4:05
  out's
• 4:06
  probably
• 4:07
  going
• 4:07
  to
• 4:07
  date
• 4:07
  me.
• 4:08
  But
• 4:09
  I
• 4:09
  went
• 4:09
  to
• 4:09
  see
• 4:10
  Spinal
• 4:10
  Tap
• 4:10
  2
• 4:12
  last
• 4:12
  week
• 4:12
  or
• 4:13
  so.
• 4:14
  Spinal
• 4:14
  Tap
• 4:15
  1
• 4:16
  came
• 4:16
  out
• 4:17
  my
• 4:17
  senior
• 4:18
  year
• 4:18
  of
• 4:18
  high
• 4:18
  school.
• 4:19
  I
• 4:20
  am.
• 4:21
  So
• 4:21
  we're
• 4:22
  talking
• 4:22
  40
• 4:23
  years
• 4:23
  ago.
• 4:24
  And
• 4:24
  it
• 4:25
  was
• 4:25
  the
• 4:25
  lines
• 4:26
  from
• 4:26
  that
• 4:26
  movie
• 4:27
  were
• 4:27
  lines
• 4:28
  said
• 4:28
  over
• 4:28
  and
• 4:28
  over
• 4:29
  in
• 4:29
  the
• 4:29
  punk
• 4:30
  bands
• 4:30
  that
• 4:30
  I
• 4:31
  was
• 4:31
  in
• 4:31
  in
• 4:31
  college.
• 4:32
  And
• 4:32
  so
• 4:33
  I
• 4:33
  went
• 4:33
  and
• 4:33
  saw
• 4:33
  the
• 4:34
  sequel
• 4:34
  and
• 4:34
  it
• 4:35
  was
• 4:35
  good.
• 4:35
  It
• 4:35
  wasn't,
• 4:35
  you
• 4:36
  know,
• 4:36
  awesome,
• 4:37
  but
• 4:37
  it
• 4:37
  was.
• 4:37
  It
• 4:37
  was
• 4:37
  good.
• 4:38
  Yeah,
• 4:39
  I
• 4:39
  need
• 4:39
  to
• 4:39
  check
• 4:39
  that
• 4:39
  out.
• 4:40
  Yeah,
• 4:40
  I
• 4:40
  will
• 4:41
  admit
• 4:41
  that
• 4:41
  I
• 4:41
  also
• 4:42
  went
• 4:42
  and
• 4:43
  checked
• 4:43
  that
• 4:43
  out
• 4:44
  and
• 4:45
  I'm
• 4:46
  still
• 4:46
  kind
• 4:46
  of
• 4:46
  reeling
• 4:46
  about
• 4:47
  the
• 4:47
  fact
• 4:47
  that
• 4:47
  there
• 4:47
  was
• 4:47
  both,
• 4:48
  you
• 4:48
  know,
• 4:48
  fart
• 4:49
  jokes
• 4:49
  and
• 4:49
  a
• 4:50
  joke
• 4:50
  about
• 4:50
  Karl
• 4:50
  Heinz
• 4:51
  Stockhausen.
• 4:53
  It
• 4:53
  is
• 4:53
  rare
• 4:53
  to
• 4:54
  find
• 4:54
  a
• 4:54
  film
• 4:54
  that
• 4:54
  combines
• 4:55
  those
• 4:55
  two
• 4:56
  niches
• 4:57
  of
• 4:57
  humor.
• 5:02
  Yeah.
• 5:03
  So
• 5:04
  let's
• 5:04
  take
• 5:04
  care
• 5:04
  of
• 5:05
  a
• 5:05
  little
• 5:05
  bit
• 5:05
  of
• 5:05
  business.
• 5:05
  So
• 5:06
  we
• 5:06
  are
• 5:06
  the
• 5:06
  Systematic
• 5:06
  Geekology
• 5:07
  podcast,
• 5:08
  not
• 5:08
  to
• 5:08
  be
• 5:08
  confused
• 5:08
  with
• 5:09
  Tom's
• 5:09
  Systematic
• 5:10
  Theology.
• 5:11
  And
• 5:11
  we
• 5:12
  would
• 5:12
  be
• 5:12
  happy
• 5:12
  for
• 5:13
  you
• 5:13
  to
• 5:14
  subscribe,
• 5:14
  rate
• 5:14
  and
• 5:15
  review
• 5:15
  us
• 5:15
  anywhere
• 5:15
  that
• 5:16
  you
• 5:16
  can
• 5:16
  do
• 5:16
  that.
• 5:17
  We
• 5:17
  also
• 5:17
  want
• 5:18
  to
• 5:18
  give
• 5:18
  a
• 5:18
  special
• 5:18
  thanks
• 5:18
  to
• 5:18
  mutual
• 5:19
  friend
• 5:19
  of
• 5:19
  the
• 5:19
  show
• 5:20
  and
• 5:20
  of
• 5:20
  our
• 5:20
  guest,
• 5:20
  Trip
• 5:21
  Fuller
• 5:21
  for
• 5:21
  his
• 5:21
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• 5:22
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• 5:22
  and
• 5:23
  remind
• 5:23
  you
• 5:23
  that
• 5:23
  you
• 5:23
  too
• 5:24
  can
• 5:24
  get
• 5:24
  a
• 5:24
  shout
• 5:25
  out
• 5:25
  by
• 5:25
  supporting
• 5:25
  our
• 5:26
  show
• 5:26
  for
• 5:26
  $5
• 5:26
  a
• 5:27
  month
• 5:27
  on
• 5:27
  our
• 5:27
  new
• 5:27
  Fourth
• 5:28
  Wall
• 5:28
  site.
• 5:29
  The
• 5:29
  link
• 5:29
  should
• 5:29
  be
• 5:30
  in
• 5:30
  the
• 5:30
  description
• 5:30
  for
• 5:30
  wherever
• 5:31
  you
• 5:31
  got
• 5:31
  this
• 5:31
  show.
• 5:32
  And
• 5:33
  you
• 5:33
  can
• 5:33
  get
• 5:33
  extra
• 5:33
  content
• 5:34
  there.
• 5:34
  Like
• 5:34
  the
• 5:34
  bonus
• 5:35
  question
• 5:35
  to
• 5:35
  this
• 5:35
  episode,
• 5:36
  we'll
• 5:36
  be
• 5:36
  talking
• 5:37
  about
• 5:37
  the
• 5:37
  movie's
• 5:37
  predictions
• 5:38
  of
• 5:38
  the
• 5:38
  future.
• 5:39
  You
• 5:39
  can
• 5:39
  buy
• 5:39
  merch
• 5:40
  and
• 5:40
  you
• 5:40
  can
• 5:40
  leave
• 5:40
  a
• 5:41
  one
• 5:41
  time
• 5:41
  financial
• 5:41
  gift
• 5:42
  there
• 5:42
  as
• 5:42
  well
• 5:43
  as
• 5:43
  signing
• 5:44
  up
• 5:44
  for
• 5:44
  regular
• 5:44
  donations,
• 5:45
  regular
• 5:46
  contributions.
• 5:47
  All
• 5:47
  right,
• 5:47
  so
• 5:48
  that
• 5:48
  takes
• 5:48
  care
• 5:49
  of
• 5:50
  paying
• 5:50
  the
• 5:50
  bills.
• 5:51
  Let's
• 5:52
  get
• 5:52
  into
• 5:52
  the
• 5:52
  movie.
• 5:53
  So
• 5:54
  I
• 5:54
  believe
• 5:55
  that,
• 5:57
  Kevin,
• 5:57
  you
• 5:57
  were
• 5:57
  gonna
• 5:58
  give
• 5:58
  us
• 5:58
  a
• 5:58
  little
• 5:59
  bit
• 5:59
  of
• 5:59
  a
• 5:59
  plot
• 6:00
  summary
• 6:00
  for
• 6:01
  the
• 6:01
  film.
• 6:01
  Why
• 6:01
  don't
• 6:01
  we
• 6:01
  start
• 6:01
  there?
• 6:02
  Yeah,
• 6:03
  absolutely.
• 6:03
  So
• 6:04
  we
• 6:04
  are
• 6:04
  talking
• 6:04
  about
• 6:05
  minority
• 6:05
  report,
• 6:06
  the
• 6:06
  2002
• 6:08
  Sci
• 6:08
  Fi
• 6:08
  Action
• 6:09
  thriller
• 6:10
  directed
• 6:10
  by
• 6:10
  Steven
• 6:11
  Spielberg
• 6:11
  with
• 6:12
  a
• 6:12
  screenplay
• 6:12
  by
• 6:13
  Scott
• 6:13
  Frank
• 6:13
  and
• 6:14
  Don
• 6:14
  Cohen,
• 6:15
  based
• 6:15
  on
• 6:15
  a
• 6:16
  short
• 6:16
  story
• 6:16
  by
• 6:16
  Philip
• 6:17
  K.
• 6:17
  Dick.
• 6:18
  If
• 6:18
  You've
• 6:18
  not
• 6:18
  seen
• 6:19
  this
• 6:19
  movie,
• 6:19
  please
• 6:20
  go
• 6:20
  see
• 6:20
  it
• 6:20
  and
• 6:20
  then
• 6:21
  come
• 6:21
  back
• 6:21
  and
• 6:21
  listen
• 6:21
  to
• 6:21
  the
• 6:22
  podcast
• 6:22
  because
• 6:22
  we're
• 6:22
  gonna
• 6:22
  get
• 6:23
  deep
• 6:23
  into
• 6:23
  spoilers
• 6:24
  and
• 6:25
  themes
• 6:25
  and
• 6:26
  everything.
• 6:26
  I
• 6:27
  mean,
• 6:27
  it
• 6:27
  is,
• 6:27
  you
• 6:27
  know,
• 6:28
  a
• 6:28
  20
• 6:29
  year
• 6:29
  old
• 6:29
  movie.
• 6:29
  So,
• 6:30
  you
• 6:30
  know,
• 6:30
  it's.
• 6:31
  If
• 6:31
  you're,
• 6:32
  you
• 6:32
  know,
• 6:32
  worried
• 6:32
  about
• 6:32
  spoilers,
• 6:33
  you
• 6:33
  know,
• 6:33
  you
• 6:34
  may
• 6:34
  have
• 6:34
  been
• 6:34
  missing
• 6:34
  out.
• 6:35
  But
• 6:35
  this,
• 6:36
  this
• 6:36
  film
• 6:36
  takes
• 6:37
  place
• 6:37
  in
• 6:37
  2054
• 6:39
  and
• 6:39
  there
• 6:39
  is
• 6:40
  a
• 6:40
  special
• 6:41
  unit
• 6:42
  of
• 6:42
  division
• 6:43
  of
• 6:43
  police
• 6:43
  called
• 6:44
  Pre
• 6:44
  crime
• 6:45
  which
• 6:46
  predicts
• 6:46
  crimes
• 6:47
  before
• 6:47
  they
• 6:47
  happen.
• 6:48
  So
• 6:48
  in
• 6:48
  the
• 6:48
  opening
• 6:49
  scene,
• 6:49
  Tom
• 6:50
  Cruise,
• 6:50
  who
• 6:50
  plays
• 6:51
  John
• 6:51
  Anderton,
• 6:52
  one
• 6:52
  of
• 6:52
  the
• 6:52
  officers
• 6:53
  they
• 6:54
  use
• 6:55
  Precogs
• 6:56
  to
• 6:56
  have
• 6:57
  visions
• 6:57
  of
• 6:58
  would
• 6:58
  be
• 6:58
  criminals.
• 6:59
  And
• 6:59
  in
• 7:00
  the
• 7:00
  opening
• 7:00
  scene,
• 7:01
  they
• 7:01
  go
• 7:02
  and
• 7:02
  stop
• 7:03
  a
• 7:03
  man
• 7:04
  who
• 7:04
  would
• 7:04
  have
• 7:04
  otherwise
• 7:05
  killed
• 7:06
  his
• 7:06
  wife
• 7:06
  and
• 7:07
  her
• 7:07
  lover.
• 7:08
  And
• 7:08
  so
• 7:09
  this
• 7:09
  sets
• 7:09
  the
• 7:09
  stage.
• 7:10
  The
• 7:10
  Pre
• 7:10
  crime
• 7:11
  has
• 7:11
  been
• 7:11
  in
• 7:12
  existence
• 7:12
  for,
• 7:13
  I
• 7:13
  think
• 7:13
  a
• 7:13
  couple
• 7:13
  years
• 7:13
  at
• 7:14
  this
• 7:14
  point.
• 7:15
  And
• 7:15
  John
• 7:15
  Anderton
• 7:16
  is
• 7:16
  one
• 7:17
  of
• 7:17
  the
• 7:17
  main
• 7:17
  officers
• 7:18
  and
• 7:18
  his
• 7:18
  backstory
• 7:19
  is
• 7:20
  that
• 7:20
  his
• 7:20
  son
• 7:21
  went
• 7:21
  missing
• 7:22
  years
• 7:23
  earlier
• 7:23
  when
• 7:24
  he
• 7:25
  was
• 7:25
  at
• 7:25
  a
• 7:25
  swimming
• 7:26
  pool
• 7:26
  with
• 7:26
  them
• 7:26
  and
• 7:27
  he
• 7:27
  had
• 7:27
  taken
• 7:28
  his
• 7:28
  eyes
• 7:28
  off
• 7:29
  for
• 7:29
  one
• 7:29
  second
• 7:30
  and
• 7:31
  his
• 7:31
  son
• 7:31
  went
• 7:31
  missing.
• 7:32
  So
• 7:32
  this
• 7:33
  threw
• 7:34
  him
• 7:34
  into,
• 7:35
  I
• 7:35
  mean,
• 7:36
  crisis
• 7:36
  mode.
• 7:37
  And
• 7:37
  it,
• 7:38
  the
• 7:38
  concept
• 7:39
  of
• 7:39
  Pre
• 7:39
  crime
• 7:40
  really
• 7:40
  appealed
• 7:40
  to
• 7:40
  him
• 7:41
  because
• 7:41
  if
• 7:41
  he
• 7:41
  could,
• 7:42
  he'd
• 7:42
  prevent
• 7:43
  something
• 7:43
  like
• 7:43
  this
• 7:44
  from
• 7:44
  ever
• 7:44
  happening
• 7:45
  to
• 7:45
  anyone
• 7:45
  else.
• 7:45
  He
• 7:46
  would.
• 7:46
  So
• 7:47
  that
• 7:47
  kind
• 7:47
  of
• 7:47
  sets
• 7:47
  the
• 7:47
  stage.
• 7:48
  Meanwhile,
• 7:49
  there
• 7:49
  is
• 7:49
  a
• 7:50
  federal
• 7:50
  agent
• 7:51
  played
• 7:51
  by
• 7:51
  Colin
• 7:52
  Farrell,
• 7:52
  who
• 7:53
  is
• 7:53
  investigating
• 7:54
  the
• 7:54
  Pre
• 7:54
  crime
• 7:54
  division
• 7:55
  to
• 7:55
  see
• 7:56
  if
• 7:56
  it's
• 7:56
  legitimate
• 7:57
  or
• 7:57
  not,
• 7:57
  because
• 7:57
  at
• 7:57
  this
• 7:57
  point
• 7:58
  it's
• 7:58
  only
• 7:58
  operating
• 7:59
  in
• 7:59
  Washington.
• 8:00
  But
• 8:01
  the
• 8:01
  director
• 8:01
  of
• 8:02
  it
• 8:02
  wants
• 8:02
  it
• 8:02
  to
• 8:02
  go
• 8:03
  national.
• 8:04
  And
• 8:04
  things
• 8:05
  really
• 8:05
  kick
• 8:05
  off
• 8:06
  in
• 8:06
  the
• 8:06
  movie
• 8:06
  when
• 8:07
  John
• 8:07
  Anderton
• 8:08
  finds
• 8:09
  that
• 8:09
  he
• 8:09
  is
• 8:11
  on
• 8:11
  a
• 8:11
  is
• 8:12
  one
• 8:12
  of
• 8:12
  the
• 8:12
  people
• 8:13
  that
• 8:13
  a
• 8:14
  Precog
• 8:15
  predicts
• 8:15
  will
• 8:16
  he
• 8:16
  will
• 8:16
  be
• 8:17
  a
• 8:17
  murderer.
• 8:17
  And
• 8:17
  so
• 8:18
  he
• 8:18
  is
• 8:19
  set
• 8:19
  up
• 8:19
  as
• 8:19
  a
• 8:19
  criminal.
• 8:20
  He
• 8:20
  is
• 8:21
  under
• 8:21
  impression
• 8:22
  that
• 8:22
  there's
• 8:22
  no
• 8:23
  way
• 8:23
  this
• 8:23
  could
• 8:23
  be
• 8:23
  true
• 8:23
  because
• 8:24
  when
• 8:24
  he
• 8:24
  sees
• 8:24
  the
• 8:25
  Precog
• 8:25
  vision,
• 8:26
  he
• 8:26
  doesn't
• 8:26
  even
• 8:27
  know
• 8:27
  the
• 8:27
  man
• 8:28
  that
• 8:28
  he
• 8:29
  is
• 8:29
  supposedly
• 8:29
  destined
• 8:30
  to
• 8:30
  kill.
• 8:31
  So
• 8:31
  he
• 8:31
  goes
• 8:32
  on
• 8:32
  a
• 8:33
  detective
• 8:34
  case
• 8:34
  to
• 8:35
  try
• 8:35
  to
• 8:35
  clear
• 8:36
  his
• 8:36
  name
• 8:36
  and
• 8:36
  figure
• 8:37
  out
• 8:37
  what's
• 8:37
  really
• 8:37
  going
• 8:37
  on.
• 8:39
  Sequence
• 8:39
  of
• 8:39
  a
• 8:39
  sequence
• 8:40
  of
• 8:40
  events
• 8:41
  lays
• 8:41
  out
• 8:41
  from
• 8:42
  that
• 8:42
  point
• 8:42
  on.
• 8:42
  And
• 8:43
  eventually
• 8:44
  we
• 8:44
  get
• 8:44
  to
• 8:44
  the
• 8:44
  climax
• 8:45
  that
• 8:45
  when
• 8:46
  he
• 8:46
  does
• 8:46
  come
• 8:47
  into
• 8:47
  contact
• 8:47
  with
• 8:48
  this
• 8:48
  man
• 8:48
  that
• 8:48
  was
• 8:48
  in
• 8:48
  the
• 8:49
  vision,
• 8:49
  it
• 8:50
  looks
• 8:50
  as
• 8:51
  though
• 8:51
  this
• 8:51
  is
• 8:52
  the
• 8:52
  man
• 8:52
  who
• 8:53
  kidnapped
• 8:54
  his
• 8:54
  son
• 8:54
  years
• 8:55
  earlier
• 8:55
  and
• 8:56
  that's
• 8:56
  what
• 8:57
  propels
• 8:57
  him
• 8:57
  to
• 8:57
  potentially
• 8:58
  kill
• 8:58
  him.
• 8:58
  But
• 8:59
  ultimately,
• 8:59
  when
• 9:00
  the
• 9:00
  moment
• 9:00
  comes
• 9:00
  and
• 9:01
  he's
• 9:01
  in
• 9:01
  a
• 9:01
  hotel
• 9:02
  room
• 9:02
  and
• 9:02
  he's
• 9:02
  about
• 9:02
  to
• 9:02
  gun
• 9:03
  the
• 9:03
  guy
• 9:03
  down,
• 9:04
  he
• 9:04
  chooses
• 9:04
  not
• 9:05
  to
• 9:05
  and
• 9:05
  arrests
• 9:06
  the
• 9:06
  man.
• 9:06
  However,
• 9:07
  this
• 9:08
  man
• 9:08
  ends
• 9:08
  up
• 9:09
  still
• 9:09
  dying
• 9:09
  because
• 9:12
  it
• 9:13
  the
• 9:13
  whole
• 9:13
  thing
• 9:14
  turned
• 9:14
  out
• 9:14
  to
• 9:14
  be
• 9:16
  he
• 9:16
  was
• 9:16
  hired
• 9:17
  by
• 9:18
  someone
• 9:18
  to
• 9:19
  pretend
• 9:19
  to
• 9:19
  be
• 9:21
  this,
• 9:21
  you
• 9:21
  know,
• 9:22
  kidnapper
• 9:22
  and
• 9:23
  the
• 9:23
  man
• 9:23
  responsible
• 9:24
  for
• 9:24
  the
• 9:24
  disappearance
• 9:25
  of
• 9:25
  John
• 9:25
  Anderson
• 9:26
  son.
• 9:26
  And
• 9:27
  so,
• 9:28
  and
• 9:28
  he
• 9:28
  says
• 9:29
  claims
• 9:29
  that
• 9:29
  if
• 9:29
  he
• 9:30
  doesn't
• 9:31
  carry
• 9:31
  through
• 9:31
  with
• 9:31
  this
• 9:32
  then
• 9:32
  the
• 9:33
  people
• 9:33
  who
• 9:33
  hired
• 9:34
  him
• 9:34
  are
• 9:34
  going
• 9:34
  to
• 9:34
  kill
• 9:34
  his
• 9:35
  family.
• 9:35
  So
• 9:36
  he
• 9:36
  then
• 9:37
  falls
• 9:37
  out
• 9:37
  the
• 9:37
  window
• 9:38
  of
• 9:38
  the
• 9:38
  hotel,
• 9:38
  kills
• 9:39
  himself.
• 9:39
  This
• 9:40
  then
• 9:40
  propels
• 9:40
  John
• 9:41
  into
• 9:41
  the
• 9:41
  climax
• 9:41
  of
• 9:42
  the
• 9:42
  movie
• 9:42
  which
• 9:43
  he
• 9:44
  finds
• 9:44
  out
• 9:44
  that
• 9:45
  the
• 9:45
  leader
• 9:46
  of
• 9:46
  pre
• 9:46
  crime
• 9:47
  played
• 9:47
  by
• 9:47
  Max
• 9:47
  von
• 9:48
  Sadow
• 9:48
  is
• 9:49
  actually
• 9:50
  set
• 9:50
  up
• 9:50
  everything
• 9:51
  as
• 9:51
  this
• 9:51
  big
• 9:52
  conspiracy.
• 9:53
  He
• 9:54
  was
• 9:54
  is
• 9:54
  the
• 9:54
  one
• 9:55
  who
• 9:55
  orchestrated
• 9:56
  the
• 9:56
  murder
• 9:57
  of
• 9:57
  Agatha's
• 9:59
  mother.
• 9:59
  Agatha
• 10:00
  being
• 10:00
  the
• 10:00
  main
• 10:01
  pre
• 10:01
  cog
• 10:01
  here.
• 10:02
  And
• 10:02
  so
• 10:03
  in
• 10:03
  the
• 10:03
  final
• 10:04
  act,
• 10:04
  John
• 10:05
  works
• 10:05
  to
• 10:06
  expose
• 10:08
  Max
• 10:08
  von
• 10:08
  Sadow's
• 10:09
  character
• 10:09
  and
• 10:10
  expose
• 10:10
  pre
• 10:10
  crime.
• 10:11
  And
• 10:11
  eventually
• 10:11
  pre
• 10:11
  crime
• 10:12
  is
• 10:12
  dismantled
• 10:13
  and
• 10:14
  you
• 10:14
  know,
• 10:14
  John
• 10:14
  and
• 10:15
  his
• 10:15
  ex
• 10:15
  wife
• 10:16
  go
• 10:16
  and
• 10:16
  live
• 10:16
  in
• 10:16
  peace.
• 10:17
  And
• 10:17
  also
• 10:17
  the
• 10:18
  Precogs
• 10:18
  are
• 10:19
  freed
• 10:19
  and
• 10:19
  they
• 10:19
  live
• 10:19
  a
• 10:20
  peaceful
• 10:20
  life
• 10:20
  at
• 10:20
  the
• 10:20
  very
• 10:21
  end.
• 10:21
  So
• 10:21
  that
• 10:21
  is
• 10:21
  a
• 10:22
  little
• 10:22
  bit
• 10:22
  about
• 10:23
  this
• 10:23
  movie,
• 10:23
  but
• 10:23
  we're
• 10:23
  going
• 10:23
  to
• 10:24
  get
• 10:24
  much
• 10:24
  deeper
• 10:24
  into
• 10:25
  it
• 10:25
  in
• 10:25
  this
• 10:25
  discussion.
• 10:26
  Sure,
• 10:26
  yeah.
• 10:27
  Thanks.
• 10:27
  So
• 10:28
  and
• 10:28
  just
• 10:28
  for
• 10:29
  a
• 10:29
  little
• 10:29
  bit
• 10:29
  of
• 10:29
  context,
• 10:29
  I
• 10:30
  was
• 10:30
  thinking
• 10:30
  about
• 10:31
  this
• 10:31
  movie
• 10:31
  came
• 10:31
  out
• 10:31
  for
• 10:32
  me
• 10:32
  a
• 10:33
  couple
• 10:33
  of
• 10:33
  years
• 10:33
  after
• 10:33
  I
• 10:33
  graduated
• 10:34
  from
• 10:34
  college,
• 10:35
  still
• 10:36
  pre
• 10:36
  kids.
• 10:37
  So
• 10:38
  I
• 10:38
  was
• 10:38
  very
• 10:39
  much
• 10:39
  in
• 10:39
  the
• 10:40
  audience
• 10:40
  for
• 10:41
  a
• 10:42
  kind
• 10:42
  of
• 10:42
  high
• 10:42
  concept,
• 10:43
  trippy
• 10:43
  hard
• 10:44
  sci
• 10:44
  fi
• 10:44
  story.
• 10:45
  Steven
• 10:46
  Spielberg
• 10:46
  was
• 10:47
  kind
• 10:47
  of
• 10:48
  at
• 10:48
  the
• 10:48
  peak
• 10:48
  of
• 10:48
  his
• 10:48
  powers,
• 10:49
  I
• 10:49
  would
• 10:49
  say
• 10:50
  had
• 10:50
  a
• 10:50
  big
• 10:50
  run
• 10:51
  of
• 10:51
  movies
• 10:51
  in
• 10:51
  that
• 10:52
  90s
• 10:52
  to
• 10:53
  2000
• 10:53
  period
• 10:54
  that
• 10:54
  were
• 10:55
  just
• 10:55
  hit
• 10:55
  after
• 10:55
  hit.
• 10:56
  And
• 10:56
  so
• 10:56
  his
• 10:56
  name
• 10:56
  was
• 10:57
  a
• 10:57
  big
• 10:57
  draw.
• 10:57
  And
• 10:58
  it
• 10:58
  also
• 10:58
  seemed
• 10:58
  like
• 10:59
  hard
• 10:59
  sci
• 10:59
  fi
• 11:00
  was
• 11:00
  kind
• 11:00
  of
• 11:00
  having
• 11:00
  a
• 11:00
  moment.
• 11:01
  The
• 11:01
  Matrix
• 11:02
  had
• 11:02
  come
• 11:02
  out
• 11:02
  a
• 11:02
  couple
• 11:02
  years
• 11:03
  previously.
• 11:04
  We
• 11:04
  were
• 11:04
  10
• 11:05
  years
• 11:05
  after
• 11:05
  things
• 11:05
  like
• 11:06
  Jurassic
• 11:06
  park
• 11:06
  and
• 11:07
  Terminator
• 11:07
  2.
• 11:07
  And
• 11:07
  so
• 11:08
  there
• 11:08
  was
• 11:08
  that
• 11:08
  kind
• 11:08
  of
• 11:08
  sense
• 11:09
  that
• 11:09
  we
• 11:09
  finally
• 11:10
  had
• 11:10
  the
• 11:10
  technology
• 11:11
  to
• 11:12
  realize
• 11:13
  any
• 11:13
  kind
• 11:14
  of
• 11:14
  visual
• 11:14
  storytelling
• 11:15
  that
• 11:15
  wanted
• 11:15
  to
• 11:15
  about
• 11:16
  the
• 11:16
  future
• 11:16
  or
• 11:17
  alternate
• 11:17
  technologies,
• 11:18
  things
• 11:18
  like
• 11:18
  that,
• 11:18
  that
• 11:19
  you
• 11:19
  could
• 11:19
  put
• 11:19
  anything
• 11:20
  on
• 11:20
  the
• 11:20
  screen.
• 11:20
  Now
• 11:20
  you're
• 11:21
  only
• 11:21
  limited
• 11:21
  by
• 11:21
  your
• 11:22
  imagination.
• 11:23
  And
• 11:23
  so
• 11:23
  I
• 11:23
  think
• 11:24
  we
• 11:24
  kind
• 11:24
  of
• 11:24
  saw
• 11:24
  from
• 11:25
  that
• 11:25
  a
• 11:25
  boom
• 11:26
  of
• 11:27
  these
• 11:27
  kind
• 11:27
  of
• 11:27
  hard
• 11:27
  sci
• 11:28
  fi
• 11:28
  kind
• 11:29
  of
• 11:29
  stories.
• 11:30
  And
• 11:30
  so,
• 11:30
  you
• 11:30
  know,
• 11:30
  I
• 11:30
  was
• 11:30
  hooked.
• 11:31
  I
• 11:31
  was
• 11:31
  excited
• 11:31
  about
• 11:31
  it.
• 11:32
  I
• 11:32
  was
• 11:32
  there
• 11:32
  to
• 11:32
  see
• 11:32
  it
• 11:32
  in
• 11:33
  the
• 11:33
  theaters
• 11:33
  when
• 11:33
  it
• 11:33
  came
• 11:33
  out
• 11:34
  and
• 11:35
  along
• 11:35
  with
• 11:35
  a
• 11:35
  few
• 11:35
  other
• 11:36
  people.
• 11:36
  And
• 11:37
  you
• 11:37
  know,
• 11:37
  I
• 11:37
  think
• 11:37
  it
• 11:37
  is.
• 11:38
  It
• 11:38
  has
• 11:38
  lived
• 11:38
  on
• 11:38
  as
• 11:39
  a
• 11:39
  hit
• 11:39
  from
• 11:40
  that
• 11:40
  time.
• 11:40
  But
• 11:41
  how
• 11:41
  about
• 11:41
  everybody
• 11:42
  else,
• 11:42
  you
• 11:42
  know,
• 11:43
  either
• 11:43
  your
• 11:43
  memories
• 11:44
  of
• 11:44
  seeing
• 11:44
  the
• 11:44
  film
• 11:45
  for
• 11:45
  the
• 11:45
  first
• 11:45
  time
• 11:45
  or
• 11:45
  your
• 11:46
  current
• 11:46
  impressions,
• 11:46
  maybe
• 11:46
  you
• 11:47
  got
• 11:47
  to
• 11:47
  revisit
• 11:48
  it
• 11:48
  recently.
• 11:49
  Yeah,
• 11:49
  so
• 11:50
  for
• 11:50
  me,
• 11:50
  when
• 11:51
  this
• 11:51
  came
• 11:51
  out,
• 11:51
  I
• 11:52
  was
• 11:52
  really
• 11:52
  excited
• 11:52
  to
• 11:53
  be
• 11:53
  turning
• 11:53
  three
• 11:53
  years
• 11:53
  old.
• 11:55
  So
• 11:55
  it
• 11:55
  came
• 11:56
  to
• 11:56
  me
• 11:56
  much
• 11:56
  later
• 11:57
  in
• 11:57
  life,
• 11:59
  like
• 11:59
  when
• 11:59
  I
• 11:59
  was
• 12:00
  in
• 12:00
  college
• 12:00
  and
• 12:00
  like,
• 12:01
  really
• 12:01
  getting
• 12:01
  into,
• 12:02
  like,
• 12:02
  by
• 12:03
  the
• 12:03
  time
• 12:03
  I
• 12:03
  was,
• 12:04
  you
• 12:04
  know,
• 12:04
  15,
• 12:05
  16,
• 12:06
  like,
• 12:06
  good
• 12:06
  sci
• 12:06
  fi
• 12:07
  movies
• 12:07
  didn't
• 12:07
  really
• 12:07
  come
• 12:07
  out
• 12:08
  anymore.
• 12:08
  It
• 12:08
  was
• 12:09
  all
• 12:09
  horror
• 12:09
  or
• 12:10
  sci
• 12:10
  fi
• 12:10
  fantasy.
• 12:11
  So
• 12:12
  I
• 12:12
  was
• 12:12
  having
• 12:12
  to
• 12:13
  go
• 12:13
  back
• 12:13
  and,
• 12:13
  like,
• 12:13
  find
• 12:14
  old
• 12:14
  science
• 12:15
  fiction
• 12:15
  gems
• 12:15
  like
• 12:15
  Total
• 12:16
  Recall.
• 12:17
  This.
• 12:17
  I
• 12:17
  used
• 12:18
  to
• 12:18
  get
• 12:18
  Minority
• 12:18
  Report
• 12:18
  and
• 12:19
  Total
• 12:19
  Recall
• 12:19
  mixed
• 12:19
  up
• 12:19
  in
• 12:20
  my
• 12:20
  head
• 12:20
  because
• 12:20
  I'd
• 12:21
  never
• 12:21
  seen
• 12:21
  either
• 12:21
  one
• 12:21
  of
• 12:21
  them.
• 12:22
  I
• 12:22
  had
• 12:22
  to
• 12:22
  fix
• 12:22
  that.
• 12:23
  So
• 12:23
  for
• 12:24
  me,
• 12:24
  the
• 12:24
  first
• 12:25
  time
• 12:25
  I
• 12:25
  saw
• 12:25
  it,
• 12:25
  I
• 12:25
  was
• 12:26
  kind
• 12:26
  of
• 12:26
  amazed
• 12:27
  because
• 12:27
  just
• 12:27
  watching
• 12:28
  it
• 12:28
  and
• 12:28
  seeing
• 12:29
  how
• 12:29
  much
• 12:29
  of
• 12:29
  the
• 12:29
  technology,
• 12:30
  which
• 12:31
  2002
• 12:31
  was
• 12:32
  just
• 12:32
  completely
• 12:33
  unfathomable,
• 12:34
  just
• 12:35
  exists
• 12:35
  now
• 12:36
  and
• 12:36
  did.
• 12:36
  Like
• 12:37
  when
• 12:37
  I
• 12:38
  watched
• 12:38
  it,
• 12:38
  like
• 12:38
  when
• 12:39
  specifically
• 12:40
  when
• 12:40
  Anderton
• 12:41
  Tom
• 12:41
  Cruise
• 12:42
  is
• 12:42
  interfacing
• 12:43
  with
• 12:43
  the
• 12:44
  temple
• 12:44
  or,
• 12:45
  you
• 12:45
  know,
• 12:45
  messing
• 12:45
  around
• 12:46
  with
• 12:46
  the
• 12:46
  screens
• 12:46
  and
• 12:47
  the
• 12:47
  gloves,
• 12:47
  he's
• 12:47
  wearing
• 12:48
  those.
• 12:49
  Like,
• 12:49
  I
• 12:49
  saw
• 12:49
  those
• 12:49
  and
• 12:50
  immediately
• 12:50
  I
• 12:50
  was
• 12:50
  like,
• 12:50
  oh,
• 12:51
  that's.
• 12:51
  Those
• 12:51
  are
• 12:51
  the
• 12:51
  gloves
• 12:52
  that
• 12:52
  Imogene
• 12:52
  Heap
• 12:52
  uses
• 12:53
  to
• 12:53
  write
• 12:53
  music,
• 12:54
  which
• 12:55
  is
• 12:55
  also
• 12:55
  awesome.
• 12:56
  They're
• 12:56
  called
• 12:56
  Mimu
• 12:57
  gloves.
• 12:57
  Super
• 12:57
  cool.
• 12:58
  Super,
• 12:58
  super
• 12:58
  cool.
• 12:59
  She
• 12:59
  has
• 12:59
  a
• 12:59
  tiny
• 13:00
  desk
• 13:00
  concert
• 13:00
  where
• 13:00
  she
• 13:01
  explains
• 13:01
  it.
• 13:01
  Check
• 13:02
  that
• 13:02
  out
• 13:02
  if
• 13:02
  you've
• 13:02
  never
• 13:02
  seen
• 13:03
  it.
• 13:03
  Amazing
• 13:03
  technology.
• 13:04
  And
• 13:04
  it's
• 13:05
  just
• 13:05
  funny
• 13:05
  to
• 13:06
  see
• 13:06
  how
• 13:06
  much
• 13:06
  of
• 13:06
  the
• 13:06
  stuff
• 13:07
  that
• 13:07
  they're
• 13:07
  doing
• 13:08
  in
• 13:08
  that
• 13:08
  movie
• 13:08
  has
• 13:08
  actually
• 13:09
  just
• 13:09
  come
• 13:09
  into
• 13:09
  fruition.
• 13:10
  Like,
• 13:11
  you
• 13:11
  know,
• 13:11
  touchscreen
• 13:12
  surfaces,
• 13:12
  multi
• 13:13
  touch
• 13:13
  screen
• 13:13
  surfaces,
• 13:14
  gesture
• 13:15
  controls.
• 13:16
  Super
• 13:16
  dope.
• 13:16
  Super
• 13:17
  cool
• 13:17
  for
• 13:17
  me
• 13:17
  to
• 13:17
  watch
• 13:18
  as
• 13:18
  a
• 13:18
  young
• 13:19
  adult,
• 13:19
  closer
• 13:20
  to
• 13:20
  the
• 13:20
  future
• 13:20
  than
• 13:20
  they
• 13:21
  were.
• 13:21
  Well,
• 13:21
  and
• 13:22
  like
• 13:22
  tj,
• 13:22
  I
• 13:23
  was
• 13:23
  also
• 13:23
  a
• 13:23
  kid
• 13:24
  when
• 13:24
  this
• 13:24
  movie
• 13:24
  came
• 13:24
  out.
• 13:24
  I
• 13:25
  think
• 13:25
  I
• 13:25
  was
• 13:25
  about
• 13:25
  8
• 13:26
  then,
• 13:26
  so
• 13:27
  also
• 13:27
  did
• 13:27
  not
• 13:28
  get
• 13:28
  to
• 13:28
  see
• 13:28
  in
• 13:28
  theaters.
• 13:28
  This
• 13:29
  is
• 13:29
  one
• 13:29
  I
• 13:29
  would
• 13:29
  love
• 13:29
  to
• 13:30
  see
• 13:30
  in
• 13:30
  theaters
• 13:30
  at
• 13:30
  some
• 13:30
  point.
• 13:31
  I
• 13:31
  think
• 13:32
  I
• 13:32
  first
• 13:32
  discovered
• 13:33
  it,
• 13:33
  though,
• 13:34
  when
• 13:34
  I
• 13:34
  was
• 13:35
  probably
• 13:36
  late
• 13:36
  middle
• 13:37
  school
• 13:37
  or
• 13:37
  early
• 13:37
  high
• 13:37
  school.
• 13:38
  I
• 13:38
  think
• 13:39
  I
• 13:39
  got.
• 13:39
  I
• 13:39
  remember
• 13:40
  distinctly
• 13:41
  watching
• 13:41
  it
• 13:41
  on
• 13:41
  a
• 13:42
  road
• 13:42
  trip
• 13:42
  and
• 13:43
  on
• 13:43
  the
• 13:43
  TV
• 13:43
  there.
• 13:43
  And
• 13:44
  I.
• 13:44
  If
• 13:44
  I'm
• 13:45
  not
• 13:45
  mistaken,
• 13:45
  I
• 13:46
  think
• 13:46
  I
• 13:46
  got
• 13:46
  it
• 13:46
  as
• 13:47
  a
• 13:47
  rental
• 13:47
  from
• 13:48
  Netflix
• 13:49
  back
• 13:49
  when
• 13:49
  Netflix
• 13:49
  was
• 13:50
  doing,
• 13:50
  before
• 13:51
  Netflix
• 13:51
  was
• 13:51
  a
• 13:52
  streaming
• 13:52
  service,
• 13:52
  when
• 13:53
  it
• 13:53
  was
• 13:53
  doing
• 13:53
  the
• 13:54
  send
• 13:54
  you
• 13:54
  a
• 13:55
  DVD
• 13:55
  in
• 13:55
  the
• 13:55
  mail
• 13:56
  system.
• 13:57
  That
• 13:57
  was
• 13:57
  how
• 13:57
  it
• 13:57
  used
• 13:58
  to
• 13:58
  work.
• 13:58
  And
• 13:58
  I,
• 13:58
  I
• 13:59
  believe
• 13:59
  I
• 13:59
  got
• 13:59
  it
• 13:59
  then
• 13:59
  because
• 14:00
  I
• 14:00
  still
• 14:00
  remember
• 14:01
  even
• 14:01
  as
• 14:01
  a
• 14:02
  kid
• 14:02
  when
• 14:02
  the
• 14:02
  movie
• 14:03
  came
• 14:03
  out,
• 14:03
  seeing
• 14:03
  the
• 14:04
  trailers.
• 14:04
  But
• 14:05
  it
• 14:05
  was
• 14:05
  also
• 14:05
  maybe
• 14:06
  not
• 14:06
  quite
• 14:06
  appropriate
• 14:07
  for
• 14:07
  me
• 14:07
  at
• 14:07
  the
• 14:07
  time
• 14:07
  or
• 14:08
  I
• 14:08
  don't
• 14:08
  know
• 14:08
  if
• 14:08
  I
• 14:08
  would
• 14:09
  have
• 14:09
  understood
• 14:09
  it
• 14:09
  as
• 14:09
  much.
• 14:10
  And
• 14:10
  so.
• 14:11
  But
• 14:11
  I
• 14:11
  really
• 14:11
  fell
• 14:12
  in
• 14:12
  love
• 14:12
  with
• 14:12
  it
• 14:12
  when
• 14:13
  I
• 14:13
  did
• 14:13
  see
• 14:13
  it,
• 14:14
  you
• 14:14
  know,
• 14:14
  probably
• 14:15
  in
• 14:15
  sometime
• 14:15
  in
• 14:16
  my
• 14:16
  adolescent
• 14:16
  years.
• 14:17
  And
• 14:17
  yeah,
• 14:18
  I
• 14:18
  was
• 14:18
  just
• 14:18
  mesmerized
• 14:19
  by,
• 14:19
  like
• 14:19
  DJ
• 14:20
  said,
• 14:20
  this
• 14:20
  was
• 14:21
  a
• 14:22
  big
• 14:22
  moment
• 14:23
  for
• 14:23
  digital
• 14:24
  effects
• 14:25
  and.
• 14:25
  But
• 14:26
  also
• 14:26
  it's
• 14:27
  just
• 14:27
  such
• 14:27
  a
• 14:27
  smart
• 14:28
  screenplay.
• 14:28
  And
• 14:28
  this
• 14:29
  was
• 14:29
  an
• 14:30
  example
• 14:30
  of
• 14:30
  a
• 14:31
  movie
• 14:31
  that
• 14:31
  really
• 14:32
  combined
• 14:32
  good
• 14:33
  writing
• 14:33
  with
• 14:34
  spectacle
• 14:35
  and
• 14:35
  with,
• 14:35
  you
• 14:35
  know,
• 14:36
  big
• 14:36
  action
• 14:36
  sci
• 14:37
  fi
• 14:37
  sequences.
• 14:38
  So
• 14:38
  I
• 14:38
  loved
• 14:38
  it
• 14:39
  from
• 14:39
  the
• 14:39
  moment
• 14:39
  I
• 14:40
  first
• 14:40
  saw
• 14:40
  it.
• 14:41
  And
• 14:41
  it's
• 14:42
  one
• 14:42
  that
• 14:43
  is
• 14:43
  very
• 14:43
  rewarding
• 14:44
  on
• 14:44
  every
• 14:44
  watch.
• 14:45
  So
• 14:45
  really
• 14:46
  excited.
• 14:46
  But,
• 14:47
  Tom,
• 14:47
  what
• 14:48
  was
• 14:48
  your
• 14:49
  earliest
• 14:49
  memories
• 14:50
  of
• 14:50
  this
• 14:50
  movie?
• 14:51
  I'm
• 14:51
  pretty
• 14:51
  sure
• 14:51
  I
• 14:52
  rented
• 14:52
  this
• 14:52
  from
• 14:53
  Blockbuster
• 14:53
  when
• 14:54
  it
• 14:54
  came
• 14:54
  out,
• 14:55
  but
• 14:55
  then
• 14:56
  I
• 14:56
  watched
• 14:56
  it
• 14:56
  again
• 14:56
  just
• 14:57
  last
• 14:57
  night.
• 14:57
  So
• 14:57
  it's
• 14:58
  very
• 14:58
  fresh
• 14:58
  in
• 14:58
  my
• 14:59
  mind.
• 14:59
  When
• 14:59
  I
• 15:00
  first
• 15:00
  saw
• 15:00
  it,
• 15:01
  I
• 15:01
  was
• 15:02
  very
• 15:02
  disappointed
• 15:03
  in
• 15:03
  it.
• 15:03
  I
• 15:03
  didn't
• 15:04
  like
• 15:04
  it.
• 15:04
  Well,
• 15:05
  I
• 15:05
  shouldn't
• 15:05
  say
• 15:05
  it
• 15:05
  that
• 15:06
  strongly.
• 15:06
  I
• 15:07
  like
• 15:07
  the
• 15:07
  fact
• 15:07
  that
• 15:08
  it
• 15:08
  was
• 15:08
  dealing
• 15:08
  with
• 15:09
  metaphysical
• 15:09
  issues
• 15:10
  like
• 15:10
  the
• 15:10
  nature
• 15:11
  of
• 15:11
  time,
• 15:12
  questions
• 15:12
  of
• 15:13
  free
• 15:13
  will,
• 15:14
  questions
• 15:14
  of
• 15:14
  moral
• 15:15
  responsibility,
• 15:16
  epistemology,
• 15:17
  those
• 15:18
  kinds
• 15:18
  of
• 15:18
  things.
• 15:19
  But
• 15:19
  it
• 15:20
  presupposed
• 15:21
  a
• 15:21
  view
• 15:21
  of
• 15:22
  time
• 15:22
  and
• 15:23
  God
• 15:23
  I
• 15:24
  think
• 15:24
  that
• 15:25
  I
• 15:25
  strongly
• 15:26
  reject,
• 15:26
  which
• 15:26
  is
• 15:27
  probably
• 15:27
  one
• 15:27
  of
• 15:27
  the
• 15:27
  reasons
• 15:28
  I'm
• 15:28
  on
• 15:28
  this
• 15:28
  conversation
• 15:29
  today.
• 15:30
  And
• 15:30
  so
• 15:30
  at
• 15:30
  that
• 15:31
  time,
• 15:31
  I
• 15:31
  didn't
• 15:31
  like
• 15:31
  it.
• 15:32
  When
• 15:32
  I
• 15:32
  watched
• 15:32
  it
• 15:33
  again
• 15:33
  last
• 15:33
  night,
• 15:33
  there
• 15:34
  were
• 15:34
  still
• 15:34
  things
• 15:34
  I
• 15:34
  didn't
• 15:35
  like,
• 15:35
  but
• 15:35
  I
• 15:35
  had
• 15:35
  a
• 15:35
  much
• 15:37
  deeper
• 15:37
  appreciation
• 15:38
  for.
• 15:39
  So
• 15:40
  I
• 15:41
  think
• 15:41
  it
• 15:41
  does
• 15:41
  a
• 15:41
  great
• 15:42
  job
• 15:42
  of
• 15:42
  posing
• 15:44
  crucial
• 15:45
  questions
• 15:46
  that
• 15:46
  theologians
• 15:47
  like
• 15:48
  me
• 15:48
  are
• 15:49
  asking
• 15:49
  and
• 15:49
  trying
• 15:50
  to
• 15:50
  answer.
• 15:50
  Well,
• 15:51
  that
• 15:51
  seems
• 15:51
  about
• 15:51
  as
• 15:52
  good
• 15:52
  of
• 15:52
  a
• 15:53
  setup
• 15:53
  as
• 15:53
  we're
• 15:54
  going
• 15:54
  to
• 15:54
  get
• 15:54
  for
• 15:54
  why
• 15:55
  don't
• 15:55
  you
• 15:55
  take
• 15:55
  a
• 15:56
  little
• 15:56
  detour
• 15:56
  and
• 15:56
  tell
• 15:56
  us
• 15:57
  a
• 15:57
  little
• 15:57
  bit
• 15:57
  more
• 15:57
  about
• 15:58
  your
• 15:58
  theological
• 16:00
  views
• 16:00
  and
• 16:00
  framework.
• 16:01
  That
• 16:01
  puts
• 16:02
  you
• 16:02
  maybe
• 16:02
  at
• 16:03
  odds
• 16:03
  with
• 16:03
  the
• 16:04
  structure
• 16:04
  of
• 16:04
  the
• 16:04
  film
• 16:04
  or
• 16:05
  the
• 16:05
  metaphysics
• 16:05
  of
• 16:05
  the
• 16:06
  film.
• 17:07
  Sounds
• 17:07
  good.
• 17:08
  I
• 17:08
  think
• 17:09
  I'll
• 17:09
  contrast
• 17:09
  myself
• 17:10
  with
• 17:10
  Thomas
• 17:11
  Aquinas.
• 17:11
  Thomas
• 17:12
  Aquinas,
• 17:13
  Roman
• 17:13
  Catholic
• 17:13
  theologian,
• 17:14
  probably
• 17:15
  the
• 17:15
  most
• 17:15
  influential
• 17:17
  systematic
• 17:17
  theologian
• 17:18
  in
• 17:18
  Christian
• 17:18
  history.
• 17:19
  He
• 17:20
  and
• 17:20
  many
• 17:20
  others
• 17:21
  in
• 17:22
  the
• 17:22
  not
• 17:23
  only
• 17:23
  Christian
• 17:23
  tradition,
• 17:24
  but
• 17:24
  Islam
• 17:25
  and
• 17:25
  Judaism
• 17:26
  as
• 17:26
  well,
• 17:26
  have
• 17:27
  thought
• 17:27
  that
• 17:27
  in
• 17:27
  some
• 17:28
  way
• 17:28
  God
• 17:29
  is
• 17:29
  outside
• 17:29
  of
• 17:30
  time
• 17:30
  or
• 17:31
  timeless.
• 17:32
  And
• 17:32
  because
• 17:32
  of
• 17:33
  that,
• 17:33
  God
• 17:34
  not
• 17:35
  only
• 17:35
  knows
• 17:35
  what
• 17:35
  happened
• 17:36
  in
• 17:36
  the
• 17:36
  past,
• 17:37
  what's
• 17:37
  happening
• 17:38
  in
• 17:38
  the
• 17:38
  present,
• 17:39
  but
• 17:39
  God
• 17:39
  can
• 17:40
  know
• 17:40
  with
• 17:40
  100%
• 17:41
  accuracy
• 17:42
  everything
• 17:43
  that's
• 17:43
  going
• 17:43
  to
• 17:44
  happen
• 17:44
  in
• 17:44
  the
• 17:44
  future.
• 17:45
  In
• 17:45
  fact,
• 17:45
  Thomas
• 17:46
  Aquinas
• 17:47
  and
• 17:47
  I
• 17:47
  think
• 17:47
  this
• 17:47
  is
• 17:48
  especially
• 17:48
  appropriate
• 17:49
  for
• 17:49
  this
• 17:50
  movie.
• 17:50
  Thomas
• 17:51
  Aquinas
• 17:51
  often
• 17:52
  talks
• 17:52
  about
• 17:53
  God
• 17:54
  seeing
• 17:54
  the
• 17:55
  future.
• 17:56
  So
• 17:56
  it's
• 17:56
  a
• 17:57
  visual
• 17:57
  metaphor
• 17:58
  of
• 17:58
  God's
• 17:58
  knowledge
• 17:59
  of
• 17:59
  what's
• 17:59
  going
• 17:59
  to
• 17:59
  happen.
• 18:00
  Of
• 18:00
  course,
• 18:00
  in
• 18:01
  this
• 18:01
  movie
• 18:01
  you
• 18:02
  have
• 18:02
  three
• 18:02
  individuals
• 18:03
  called
• 18:03
  precogs
• 18:04
  who
• 18:05
  somehow
• 18:05
  can
• 18:05
  see
• 18:06
  video
• 18:07
  type
• 18:07
  footage
• 18:08
  of
• 18:08
  what's
• 18:08
  going
• 18:08
  to
• 18:09
  happen
• 18:09
  in
• 18:09
  the
• 18:09
  future.
• 18:10
  And
• 18:10
  that
• 18:10
  seems
• 18:11
  very
• 18:11
  similar
• 18:12
  to
• 18:12
  what
• 18:12
  maybe
• 18:13
  Thomas
• 18:13
  Aquinas
• 18:14
  might
• 18:14
  have
• 18:14
  had
• 18:14
  in
• 18:14
  mind.
• 18:15
  I,
• 18:15
  however,
• 18:16
  reject
• 18:16
  that
• 18:17
  view
• 18:17
  of
• 18:17
  God
• 18:18
  and
• 18:18
  time.
• 18:19
  I
• 18:19
  don't
• 18:20
  think
• 18:20
  God
• 18:20
  knows
• 18:20
  the
• 18:21
  future
• 18:21
  with
• 18:21
  certainty.
• 18:22
  I
• 18:22
  don't
• 18:22
  think
• 18:22
  the
• 18:23
  future
• 18:23
  is
• 18:24
  capable
• 18:24
  of
• 18:24
  being
• 18:25
  known
• 18:25
  because
• 18:25
  it's
• 18:25
  not.
• 18:26
  Doesn't
• 18:26
  yet
• 18:26
  exist.
• 18:27
  So
• 18:27
  I
• 18:27
  think
• 18:28
  God
• 18:28
  knows
• 18:28
  everything
• 18:29
  that
• 18:29
  happened
• 18:29
  in
• 18:29
  the
• 18:30
  past,
• 18:31
  everything
• 18:31
  that's
• 18:31
  happening
• 18:32
  in
• 18:32
  the
• 18:32
  present,
• 18:33
  and
• 18:33
  all
• 18:34
  possibilities
• 18:34
  for
• 18:35
  the
• 18:35
  future.
• 18:36
  But
• 18:36
  again,
• 18:37
  God
• 18:37
  can't
• 18:38
  know
• 18:38
  the
• 18:38
  future
• 18:38
  in
• 18:39
  my
• 18:39
  view,
• 18:39
  because
• 18:40
  there
• 18:40
  is
• 18:40
  no
• 18:40
  future
• 18:41
  yet
• 18:41
  to
• 18:41
  be
• 18:41
  known.
• 18:43
  The
• 18:43
  reason
• 18:43
  I
• 18:43
  believe
• 18:44
  this,
• 18:44
  there's
• 18:44
  actually
• 18:45
  several.
• 18:45
  But
• 18:45
  one
• 18:45
  of
• 18:46
  them
• 18:46
  has
• 18:46
  to
• 18:46
  do
• 18:47
  with
• 18:47
  the
• 18:47
  questions
• 18:47
  of
• 18:47
  free
• 18:48
  will
• 18:48
  and
• 18:48
  moral
• 18:49
  responsibility,
• 18:49
  which
• 18:50
  I'm
• 18:50
  sure
• 18:50
  we'll
• 18:51
  get
• 18:51
  to.
• 18:51
  Should
• 18:52
  I
• 18:52
  stop
• 18:52
  there
• 18:52
  as
• 18:52
  sort
• 18:53
  of
• 18:53
  a
• 18:55
  way
• 18:55
  to
• 18:55
  launch
• 18:55
  into
• 18:55
  things?
• 18:56
  I
• 18:56
  think
• 18:56
  that's
• 18:57
  a
• 18:57
  good.
• 18:58
  That
• 18:58
  sets
• 18:58
  table
• 18:59
  hour.
• 18:59
  That
• 18:59
  gives
• 18:59
  us
• 18:59
  a
• 18:59
  good
• 19:00
  kind
• 19:00
  of
• 19:00
  context
• 19:00
  for
• 19:01
  where
• 19:01
  you're
• 19:01
  coming
• 19:02
  from.
• 19:04
  Yeah.
• 19:04
  Does
• 19:04
  anybody
• 19:05
  else
• 19:05
  have
• 19:06
  any
• 19:06
  thoughts
• 19:07
  that
• 19:07
  they
• 19:08
  want
• 19:08
  to
• 19:08
  add
• 19:08
  there
• 19:08
  to
• 19:10
  your
• 19:10
  own
• 19:11
  perspective
• 19:12
  on
• 19:12
  these
• 19:12
  issues
• 19:12
  or
• 19:12
  your
• 19:13
  own
• 19:13
  background
• 19:15
  on
• 19:15
  the
• 19:15
  topics
• 19:15
  of
• 19:16
  time
• 19:16
  and
• 19:16
  free
• 19:16
  will
• 19:16
  and
• 19:16
  so
• 19:16
  forth?
• 19:17
  No.
• 19:18
  I
• 19:18
  feel
• 19:19
  like
• 19:19
  this
• 19:19
  kind
• 19:19
  of
• 19:20
  movie
• 19:20
  is
• 19:21
  kind
• 19:21
  of
• 19:21
  amazing
• 19:22
  just
• 19:22
  because
• 19:22
  it
• 19:22
  gives
• 19:23
  you
• 19:23
  the
• 19:23
  opportunity
• 19:24
  to
• 19:24
  think
• 19:24
  about
• 19:24
  these
• 19:24
  things
• 19:25
  deeply.
• 19:25
  And
• 19:26
  if
• 19:26
  you
• 19:26
  don't
• 19:27
  want
• 19:27
  to
• 19:27
  do
• 19:27
  that,
• 19:27
  you
• 19:27
  can
• 19:28
  just
• 19:28
  sit
• 19:28
  there
• 19:28
  and
• 19:28
  be
• 19:28
  like,
• 19:29
  oh
• 19:29
  man,
• 19:29
  that's
• 19:29
  Tom
• 19:30
  Cruise.
• 19:30
  Look
• 19:30
  at
• 19:30
  him
• 19:30
  run.
• 19:31
  That's
• 19:31
  the
• 19:31
  Tom
• 19:31
  Cruise
• 19:32
  run.
• 19:33
  Look
• 19:33
  at
• 19:33
  him
• 19:33
  go.
• 19:35
  But
• 19:35
  really
• 19:36
  just
• 19:36
  impressive.
• 19:37
  Super
• 19:37
  impressive
• 19:38
  film,
• 19:39
  especially
• 19:39
  be
• 19:39
  based
• 19:40
  off
• 19:40
  of
• 19:40
  a
• 19:40
  novella
• 19:41
  adapting
• 19:42
  not
• 19:42
  that
• 19:42
  much
• 19:42
  content
• 19:43
  into
• 19:43
  a
• 19:43
  movie
• 19:43
  this
• 19:44
  long
• 19:44
  and
• 19:45
  well
• 19:45
  made.
• 19:46
  Just
• 19:46
  feel
• 19:47
  like
• 19:47
  needs
• 19:47
  to
• 19:47
  be
• 19:47
  mentioned
• 19:48
  before
• 19:48
  we
• 19:49
  get
• 19:49
  pretty
• 19:49
  deep
• 19:50
  here
• 19:50
  in
• 19:50
  a
• 19:50
  couple
• 19:51
  minutes,
• 19:51
  so.
• 19:52
  Oh,
• 19:52
  I
• 19:52
  agree
• 19:52
  with
• 19:53
  TJ
• 19:53
  in
• 19:53
  that
• 19:54
  that's
• 19:54
  what
• 19:54
  I
• 19:54
  love
• 19:55
  about
• 19:55
  this
• 19:55
  movie
• 19:55
  so
• 19:55
  much,
• 19:55
  is
• 19:56
  that
• 19:56
  it
• 19:57
  does
• 19:57
  such
• 19:58
  a
• 19:58
  good
• 19:58
  job
• 19:58
  of
• 19:59
  the
• 20:00
  action
• 20:00
  spectacle,
• 20:01
  the
• 20:02
  characterization,
• 20:03
  the
• 20:03
  story.
• 20:04
  This
• 20:04
  blend
• 20:04
  of
• 20:05
  sci
• 20:05
  fi,
• 20:05
  noir
• 20:06
  and,
• 20:07
  you
• 20:07
  know,
• 20:07
  has
• 20:07
  this
• 20:07
  mainstream
• 20:08
  appeal.
• 20:08
  But
• 20:09
  it
• 20:09
  asks
• 20:09
  these
• 20:09
  deep
• 20:10
  questions
• 20:10
  whether
• 20:10
  you
• 20:11
  agree
• 20:11
  with
• 20:11
  the
• 20:12
  ideas
• 20:12
  or
• 20:12
  not.
• 20:13
  I
• 20:13
  like
• 20:13
  that
• 20:14
  it
• 20:14
  is
• 20:14
  not
• 20:14
  a
• 20:15
  know.
• 20:15
  It
• 20:16
  just,
• 20:16
  you
• 20:16
  know,
• 20:16
  it
• 20:16
  could
• 20:16
  have
• 20:16
  easily.
• 20:17
  I
• 20:17
  think,
• 20:17
  I
• 20:18
  think
• 20:18
  a
• 20:18
  lesser
• 20:18
  screenplay
• 20:19
  could
• 20:19
  have
• 20:20
  just
• 20:20
  thrown
• 20:20
  out
• 20:20
  this
• 20:20
  concept
• 20:21
  and
• 20:21
  be
• 20:21
  like,
• 20:21
  okay,
• 20:22
  cool.
• 20:22
  And
• 20:22
  then
• 20:22
  just
• 20:22
  done
• 20:23
  a
• 20:23
  bunch
• 20:23
  of
• 20:23
  crazy
• 20:24
  action
• 20:24
  sequences
• 20:25
  and
• 20:25
  had
• 20:25
  Tom
• 20:25
  running
• 20:26
  around
• 20:26
  all
• 20:26
  the
• 20:26
  time.
• 20:26
  But
• 20:27
  it
• 20:27
  takes
• 20:27
  all
• 20:28
  of
• 20:28
  those
• 20:28
  elements
• 20:28
  and
• 20:29
  really
• 20:29
  trains
• 20:30
  it.
• 20:30
  It
• 20:30
  always,
• 20:31
  it's
• 20:31
  always
• 20:31
  grounded
• 20:32
  in
• 20:32
  the
• 20:33
  characters
• 20:33
  and
• 20:33
  the
• 20:33
  story
• 20:34
  and
• 20:34
  the
• 20:34
  exploration
• 20:35
  of
• 20:35
  themes
• 20:35
  and
• 20:36
  ideas
• 20:36
  and
• 20:37
  Yeah,
• 20:37
  I
• 20:37
  don't,
• 20:38
  I
• 20:38
  like.
• 20:38
  I
• 20:38
  don't
• 20:38
  know.
• 20:38
  Do
• 20:38
  we
• 20:39
  want
• 20:39
  to
• 20:39
  go
• 20:39
  ahead
• 20:39
  and
• 20:39
  get
• 20:39
  into
• 20:40
  kind
• 20:40
  of,
• 20:40
  because
• 20:40
  I
• 20:41
  know
• 20:41
  Tom,
• 20:41
  you
• 20:41
  just
• 20:41
  brought
• 20:42
  up
• 20:42
  some
• 20:42
  really
• 20:42
  big
• 20:42
  points
• 20:43
  about
• 20:44
  the
• 20:44
  movie's
• 20:44
  notion
• 20:45
  of
• 20:45
  free
• 20:45
  will.
• 20:46
  And
• 20:47
  yeah,
• 20:47
  I
• 20:48
  mean
• 20:48
  I,
• 20:48
  I
• 20:48
  can
• 20:49
  say
• 20:49
  a
• 20:49
  little
• 20:49
  bit
• 20:49
  about,
• 20:50
  I
• 20:50
  guess,
• 20:50
  my
• 20:50
  background
• 20:51
  there
• 20:51
  because
• 20:51
  I,
• 20:51
  I
• 20:52
  mean
• 20:52
  there
• 20:52
  is
• 20:52
  so
• 20:52
  much
• 20:53
  to
• 20:53
  think
• 20:53
  about
• 20:53
  with
• 20:53
  this
• 20:53
  film.
• 20:54
  Well,
• 20:54
  I,
• 20:55
  I
• 20:55
  think
• 20:55
  before
• 20:55
  we
• 20:55
  go
• 20:56
  there,
• 20:56
  I'd
• 20:56
  like
• 20:56
  to
• 20:56
  say
• 20:57
  one
• 20:57
  other
• 20:57
  thing
• 20:57
  about
• 20:58
  this
• 20:58
  film.
• 20:59
  And
• 20:59
  it's
• 21:00
  sort
• 21:00
  of
• 21:01
  what
• 21:01
  makes
• 21:01
  it,
• 21:02
  I
• 21:02
  think,
• 21:02
  a
• 21:02
  little
• 21:02
  bit
• 21:03
  different
• 21:03
  from
• 21:03
  a
• 21:03
  lot
• 21:03
  of
• 21:04
  sci
• 21:04
  fi
• 21:04
  movies.
• 21:05
  Maybe
• 21:05
  you
• 21:05
  guys
• 21:05
  can
• 21:06
  correct
• 21:06
  me
• 21:06
  because
• 21:06
  you
• 21:06
  probably
• 21:07
  know
• 21:07
  the
• 21:07
  genre
• 21:08
  better
• 21:08
  than
• 21:08
  I
• 21:09
  do,
• 21:09
  but
• 21:10
  a
• 21:10
  lot
• 21:10
  of
• 21:10
  sci
• 21:11
  fi
• 21:11
  movies
• 21:11
  that
• 21:13
  explore
• 21:13
  questions
• 21:14
  of
• 21:14
  time,
• 21:15
  explore
• 21:16
  the
• 21:16
  possibility
• 21:17
  of
• 21:17
  going
• 21:17
  into
• 21:18
  the
• 21:18
  past
• 21:19
  and
• 21:19
  somehow
• 21:20
  altering
• 21:20
  the
• 21:20
  past
• 21:21
  to
• 21:22
  change
• 21:22
  the
• 21:22
  present.
• 21:22
  You
• 21:23
  know,
• 21:23
  maybe
• 21:24
  one
• 21:24
  of
• 21:24
  the
• 21:24
  best
• 21:24
  known
• 21:25
  is
• 21:25
  Back
• 21:25
  to
• 21:25
  the
• 21:25
  Future,
• 21:26
  right?
• 21:26
  Goes
• 21:27
  back
• 21:27
  in
• 21:27
  time
• 21:27
  and
• 21:28
  now
• 21:28
  they
• 21:28
  have
• 21:28
  to
• 21:29
  do
• 21:29
  things
• 21:29
  so
• 21:29
  that
• 21:29
  the
• 21:30
  present
• 21:30
  is
• 21:30
  going
• 21:30
  to
• 21:30
  be
• 21:30
  a
• 21:31
  particular
• 21:31
  way.
• 21:32
  And
• 21:32
  that
• 21:32
  is
• 21:32
  always,
• 21:33
  you
• 21:33
  know,
• 21:34
  always
• 21:34
  raises
• 21:35
  really
• 21:35
  difficult
• 21:36
  questions.
• 21:36
  Like
• 21:37
  really,
• 21:38
  can
• 21:38
  you
• 21:38
  go
• 21:38
  in
• 21:38
  the
• 21:39
  past?
• 21:39
  And
• 21:39
  if
• 21:39
  the
• 21:40
  past
• 21:40
  is
• 21:40
  affected,
• 21:41
  then
• 21:41
  how
• 21:41
  is
• 21:41
  that
• 21:41
  going
• 21:41
  to
• 21:41
  be
• 21:42
  in
• 21:42
  the
• 21:42
  present?
• 21:42
  And
• 21:43
  if
• 21:43
  you
• 21:43
  made
• 21:43
  a
• 21:43
  decision
• 21:44
  in
• 21:44
  the
• 21:44
  present
• 21:44
  to
• 21:45
  go
• 21:45
  back
• 21:45
  in
• 21:45
  the
• 21:45
  past,
• 21:46
  isn't
• 21:46
  that
• 21:49
  decision
• 21:49
  in
• 21:49
  the
• 21:50
  present
• 21:50
  already
• 21:51
  determined
• 21:51
  by
• 21:51
  the
• 21:51
  past?
• 21:52
  And
• 21:52
  all
• 21:52
  these
• 21:52
  kinds
• 21:52
  of
• 21:53
  really
• 21:53
  difficult
• 21:54
  questions.
• 21:55
  But
• 21:55
  what
• 21:55
  makes
• 21:56
  this
• 21:56
  movie,
• 21:56
  I
• 21:56
  think
• 21:56
  different
• 21:57
  from
• 21:57
  at
• 21:57
  least
• 21:57
  a
• 21:57
  lot
• 21:58
  of
• 21:58
  sci
• 21:58
  fi
• 21:58
  movies
• 21:58
  I've
• 21:59
  watched
• 22:00
  is
• 22:00
  it's
• 22:01
  not
• 22:01
  talking
• 22:01
  about
• 22:01
  returning
• 22:02
  to
• 22:02
  the
• 22:02
  past.
• 22:03
  It's
• 22:04
  somehow
• 22:04
  thinking
• 22:04
  about
• 22:06
  knowledge
• 22:06
  of
• 22:06
  the
• 22:06
  future
• 22:07
  and
• 22:08
  how
• 22:08
  knowledge
• 22:08
  of
• 22:08
  the
• 22:09
  future
• 22:10
  can
• 22:10
  be
• 22:10
  determinative
• 22:11
  for
• 22:12
  in
• 22:12
  this
• 22:13
  case,
• 22:13
  the
• 22:13
  moral
• 22:13
  responsibility
• 22:14
  of
• 22:14
  the
• 22:14
  people
• 22:15
  involved.
• 22:15
  People
• 22:16
  about
• 22:16
  ready
• 22:16
  to
• 22:17
  commit
• 22:17
  murder,
• 22:17
  apparently.
• 22:18
  So
• 22:18
  I
• 22:18
  think
• 22:19
  that's
• 22:19
  a
• 22:19
  little
• 22:19
  bit
• 22:19
  of
• 22:20
  a
• 22:20
  twist.
• 22:20
  Am
• 22:21
  I
• 22:21
  wrong
• 22:21
  about
• 22:21
  that?
• 22:22
  Are
• 22:22
  there
• 22:22
  lots
• 22:22
  of
• 22:22
  other
• 22:23
  movies
• 22:23
  that
• 22:23
  talk
• 22:23
  about
• 22:24
  the
• 22:24
  future,
• 22:25
  knowing
• 22:25
  the
• 22:25
  future
• 22:25
  or.
• 22:27
  Yeah,
• 22:27
  am
• 22:27
  I
• 22:27
  wrong
• 22:28
  about
• 22:28
  that?
• 22:28
  I
• 22:29
  think
• 22:29
  you're
• 22:29
  very
• 22:29
  correct
• 22:29
  for
• 22:30
  the
• 22:30
  most.
• 22:30
  I
• 22:30
  mean,
• 22:30
  there
• 22:30
  are
• 22:30
  a
• 22:31
  lot
• 22:31
  of
• 22:31
  type
• 22:31
  of
• 22:32
  movies
• 22:32
  that
• 22:32
  are
• 22:32
  obsessed
• 22:33
  with
• 22:33
  time
• 22:33
  travel.
• 22:34
  Do
• 22:34
  you
• 22:34
  know,
• 22:35
  and
• 22:35
  they
• 22:35
  have
• 22:35
  these
• 22:35
  debates
• 22:36
  about,
• 22:37
  you
• 22:37
  know,
• 22:37
  oh,
• 22:37
  if
• 22:38
  you
• 22:38
  go
• 22:38
  back
• 22:38
  in
• 22:38
  time
• 22:39
  and
• 22:39
  you
• 22:39
  fi.
• 22:39
  Alter
• 22:39
  something,
• 22:40
  does
• 22:40
  that
• 22:40
  create
• 22:40
  an
• 22:41
  alternate
• 22:41
  future?
• 22:41
  But.
• 22:42
  Right,
• 22:42
  but
• 22:42
  yeah,
• 22:42
  there
• 22:43
  are,
• 22:43
  there's
• 22:44
  not.
• 22:44
  And
• 22:44
  especially
• 22:45
  at
• 22:45
  this
• 22:45
  time.
• 22:46
  I
• 22:46
  think
• 22:46
  like
• 22:47
  this
• 22:47
  was
• 22:48
  a
• 22:48
  unique
• 22:48
  one
• 22:49
  in
• 22:49
  that
• 22:49
  respect.
• 22:50
  It
• 22:50
  explored
• 22:51
  visions
• 22:51
  of
• 22:51
  the
• 22:52
  future
• 22:52
  and,
• 22:52
  and
• 22:52
  it
• 22:52
  also
• 22:53
  emphasizes
• 22:54
  in
• 22:54
  the
• 22:54
  movie
• 22:54
  that
• 22:55
  they
• 22:55
  are
• 22:55
  still
• 22:55
  imperfect.
• 22:56
  And
• 22:56
  that's
• 22:57
  why
• 22:57
  Colin
• 22:57
  Farrell's
• 22:58
  character
• 22:58
  is
• 22:59
  critical
• 22:59
  of
• 23:00
  the
• 23:00
  pre
• 23:00
  crime
• 23:00
  division
• 23:01
  because
• 23:01
  he
• 23:01
  says
• 23:02
  there's
• 23:02
  no
• 23:03
  degree
• 23:03
  of
• 23:03
  certainty
• 23:04
  here.
• 23:04
  It's
• 23:04
  all,
• 23:05
  it's
• 23:05
  still.
• 23:05
  Even
• 23:06
  if
• 23:06
  there
• 23:06
  is
• 23:06
  a
• 23:07
  99%
• 23:08
  chance
• 23:08
  that
• 23:08
  this
• 23:09
  person
• 23:09
  is
• 23:09
  going
• 23:09
  to
• 23:09
  commit
• 23:10
  murder,
• 23:10
  there's
• 23:11
  still
• 23:11
  that,
• 23:12
  you
• 23:12
  know,
• 23:12
  chance
• 23:13
  of
• 23:13
  what
• 23:13
  if
• 23:13
  they
• 23:14
  decide
• 23:14
  not
• 23:15
  to
• 23:15
  go
• 23:15
  through
• 23:15
  with
• 23:15
  it?
• 23:16
  And
• 23:16
  how
• 23:16
  do
• 23:16
  you
• 23:16
  deal
• 23:17
  with
• 23:17
  the
• 23:17
  ethical
• 23:17
  ramifications
• 23:18
  of
• 23:18
  that.
• 23:19
  And
• 23:19
  so.
• 23:20
  But
• 23:20
  no,
• 23:20
  I
• 23:20
  think.
• 23:21
  I
• 23:21
  mean,
• 23:21
  I
• 23:21
  don't
• 23:21
  know,
• 23:22
  Andy,
• 23:22
  if
• 23:22
  you
• 23:22
  have
• 23:22
  any,
• 23:23
  but
• 23:23
  yeah,
• 23:23
  when
• 23:23
  I
• 23:24
  think
• 23:24
  of
• 23:24
  cyber
• 23:24
  movies
• 23:25
  that
• 23:25
  deal
• 23:25
  with
• 23:26
  time,
• 23:26
  so
• 23:26
  much
• 23:27
  to
• 23:27
  do
• 23:27
  with
• 23:27
  time
• 23:28
  travel,
• 23:29
  and
• 23:29
  even
• 23:29
  if
• 23:29
  they
• 23:29
  travel
• 23:29
  into
• 23:30
  the
• 23:30
  future,
• 23:30
  it's
• 23:31
  still,
• 23:32
  you
• 23:32
  know,
• 23:32
  like.
• 23:32
  I
• 23:32
  don't
• 23:33
  know,
• 23:33
  it's
• 23:33
  really.
• 23:33
  With
• 23:33
  time
• 23:34
  travel.
• 23:34
  This
• 23:34
  isn't
• 23:35
  really
• 23:35
  a
• 23:35
  time
• 23:35
  travel
• 23:36
  movie.
• 23:36
  It's
• 23:37
  relating
• 23:37
  to
• 23:38
  what
• 23:38
  if
• 23:38
  we
• 23:38
  had
• 23:39
  the
• 23:39
  technology
• 23:39
  to
• 23:40
  look
• 23:40
  into
• 23:40
  the
• 23:41
  future?
• 23:41
  And
• 23:42
  how
• 23:42
  would
• 23:43
  that
• 23:43
  impact,
• 23:43
  you
• 23:44
  know,
• 23:44
  law
• 23:44
  enforcement?
• 23:45
  So
• 23:45
  I
• 23:45
  think
• 23:45
  it's
• 23:45
  very
• 23:46
  unique
• 23:46
  in
• 23:46
  that
• 23:46
  respect.
• 23:47
  Yeah.
• 23:47
  The
• 23:48
  only
• 23:48
  other
• 23:48
  film
• 23:48
  that
• 23:49
  comes
• 23:49
  immediately
• 23:49
  to
• 23:49
  mind
• 23:50
  is
• 23:50
  Arrival.
• 23:53
  That's
• 23:53
  a
• 23:53
  good
• 23:53
  one.
• 23:53
  Yeah.
• 23:54
  Yeah.
• 23:54
  Great
• 23:54
  movie.
• 23:54
  If
• 23:55
  anyone's
• 23:55
  not
• 23:55
  familiar
• 23:57
  on
• 23:57
  the
• 23:57
  podcast
• 23:57
  or
• 23:58
  at
• 23:58
  home,
• 23:59
  it
• 24:00
  involves
• 24:00
  contact
• 24:00
  with
• 24:01
  aliens
• 24:01
  who
• 24:02
  have
• 24:03
  perhaps
• 24:04
  an
• 24:04
  experience
• 24:04
  of
• 24:05
  time
• 24:05
  that
• 24:05
  is
• 24:05
  more
• 24:05
  similar
• 24:06
  to
• 24:06
  the
• 24:07
  one
• 24:07
  that
• 24:07
  Tom
• 24:08
  was
• 24:09
  ascribing
• 24:09
  to
• 24:09
  Thomas
• 24:10
  Aquinas.
• 24:10
  They
• 24:11
  experience
• 24:12
  all
• 24:12
  of
• 24:12
  their
• 24:13
  lifetime
• 24:15
  as
• 24:16
  a
• 24:17
  single
• 24:18
  moment
• 24:18
  or
• 24:18
  simultaneously,
• 24:19
  or
• 24:19
  in
• 24:19
  some
• 24:19
  sense,
• 24:20
  they
• 24:20
  have
• 24:20
  access
• 24:20
  to
• 24:20
  the
• 24:21
  entirety
• 24:21
  of
• 24:21
  their
• 24:22
  lifetimes
• 24:23
  at
• 24:23
  all
• 24:23
  times.
• 24:24
  In
• 24:25
  a
• 24:25
  way
• 24:25
  that
• 24:25
  perhaps
• 24:26
  we.
• 24:27
  And
• 24:27
  the
• 24:27
  movie
• 24:28
  kind
• 24:28
  of
• 24:28
  highlights
• 24:29
  this.
• 24:29
  Right.
• 24:29
  That
• 24:29
  we
• 24:29
  might
• 24:29
  not
• 24:30
  really
• 24:30
  have
• 24:30
  the
• 24:30
  right
• 24:31
  words
• 24:31
  to
• 24:31
  understand
• 24:31
  that
• 24:32
  experience
• 24:32
  because
• 24:33
  it
• 24:33
  is
• 24:33
  such
• 24:33
  a
• 24:33
  different
• 24:34
  kind
• 24:34
  of
• 24:34
  experience.
• 24:35
  But
• 24:35
  as
• 24:36
  a
• 24:36
  result
• 24:36
  of
• 24:36
  that,
• 24:36
  the
• 24:37
  movie
• 24:37
  does
• 24:37
  get
• 24:37
  into
• 24:38
  the
• 24:38
  concept
• 24:38
  of
• 24:38
  sort
• 24:39
  of
• 24:39
  retro
• 24:39
  causality.
• 24:40
  Can
• 24:41
  events
• 24:41
  that
• 24:41
  have
• 24:41
  happened
• 24:42
  in
• 24:42
  the
• 24:42
  future
• 24:43
  have
• 24:43
  some
• 24:43
  impact
• 24:44
  on
• 24:44
  the
• 24:44
  past?
• 24:45
  Which
• 24:45
  I
• 24:45
  think
• 24:45
  is
• 24:46
  the
• 24:46
  flavor
• 24:46
  of
• 24:46
  what
• 24:46
  you're
• 24:47
  getting
• 24:47
  at
• 24:47
  with
• 24:47
  the
• 24:47
  fact
• 24:47
  that
• 24:48
  these.
• 24:49
  These
• 24:49
  murders
• 24:49
  that
• 24:49
  have
• 24:49
  not
• 24:50
  yet
• 24:50
  been
• 24:50
  committed
• 24:51
  yet
• 24:51
  somehow
• 24:51
  cause
• 24:52
  people
• 24:52
  to
• 24:52
  wind
• 24:53
  up
• 24:53
  in
• 24:53
  prison.
• 24:53
  Right.
• 24:54
  And
• 24:54
  so
• 24:55
  how
• 24:56
  does
• 24:56
  that
• 24:56
  work?
• 24:56
  And
• 24:57
  is
• 24:57
  that
• 24:57
  just.
• 24:57
  And
• 24:57
  so
• 24:58
  forth.
• 24:58
  It
• 24:58
  is
• 24:58
  interesting
• 24:59
  because
• 25:00
  the
• 25:00
  film
• 25:00
  at
• 25:01
  the
• 25:01
  same
• 25:01
  time
• 25:02
  opposes
• 25:03
  Tom's
• 25:03
  viewpoint
• 25:04
  because
• 25:04
  it
• 25:04
  is,
• 25:05
  at
• 25:05
  its
• 25:05
  core.
• 25:06
  You
• 25:06
  know,
• 25:06
  we
• 25:06
  find
• 25:07
  out
• 25:07
  later
• 25:07
  that
• 25:07
  it's
• 25:08
  all
• 25:08
  happening
• 25:09
  because
• 25:09
  someone
• 25:09
  manipulated
• 25:10
  the
• 25:11
  past,
• 25:11
  but
• 25:12
  when
• 25:12
  it
• 25:12
  was
• 25:12
  still
• 25:12
  the
• 25:13
  present.
• 25:13
  So
• 25:13
  not
• 25:13
  really,
• 25:14
  but
• 25:14
  it
• 25:14
  does
• 25:15
  still
• 25:15
  relate
• 25:15
  to
• 25:15
  the
• 25:15
  past.
• 25:15
  And
• 25:16
  then
• 25:16
  I
• 25:16
  feel
• 25:16
  like
• 25:17
  most
• 25:18
  sci
• 25:18
  fi
• 25:18
  properties
• 25:19
  that
• 25:19
  do
• 25:19
  travel
• 25:20
  into
• 25:20
  the
• 25:20
  future
• 25:20
  and
• 25:20
  actually
• 25:21
  deal
• 25:21
  with
• 25:21
  that
• 25:21
  are.
• 25:22
  It's
• 25:22
  just
• 25:23
  been
• 25:23
  relegated
• 25:23
  to
• 25:23
  video
• 25:24
  games
• 25:24
  because
• 25:24
  it's
• 25:25
  just
• 25:25
  something
• 25:25
  that
• 25:25
  you
• 25:26
  don't
• 25:26
  want
• 25:26
  to
• 25:26
  spend,
• 25:27
  you
• 25:27
  know,
• 25:27
  part
• 25:27
  of
• 25:28
  your
• 25:28
  two
• 25:28
  and
• 25:28
  a
• 25:28
  half
• 25:28
  hour
• 25:28
  runtime
• 25:29
  of
• 25:29
  a
• 25:29
  movie
• 25:29
  on.
• 25:29
  On
• 25:30
  a
• 25:30
  video
• 25:30
  game
• 25:30
  where
• 25:30
  you're
• 25:31
  supposed
• 25:31
  to,
• 25:31
  you
• 25:32
  know,
• 25:32
  spend
• 25:32
  20,
• 25:32
  40,
• 25:33
  60,
• 25:33
  100
• 25:34
  hours
• 25:34
  with
• 25:34
  it.
• 25:35
  Studios
• 25:35
  are
• 25:35
  a
• 25:35
  lot
• 25:35
  more
• 25:36
  likely
• 25:36
  to
• 25:37
  take
• 25:37
  that
• 25:37
  risk
• 25:37
  and
• 25:37
  sideline
• 25:38
  you
• 25:38
  there
• 25:38
  in
• 25:39
  the
• 25:39
  future
• 25:40
  of
• 25:40
  a
• 25:40
  past
• 25:40
  that
• 25:40
  you
• 25:40
  created.
• 25:41
  Like
• 25:41
  in
• 25:41
  Final
• 25:42
  Fantasy
• 25:42
  13
• 25:43
  does
• 25:43
  that
• 25:43
  a
• 25:44
  lot.
• 25:44
  I
• 25:44
  know,
• 25:44
  but
• 25:44
  that's
• 25:45
  kind
• 25:45
  of
• 25:45
  a
• 25:45
  niche
• 25:45
  Pull
• 25:46
  for
• 25:46
  most
• 25:46
  of
• 25:47
  our
• 25:47
  audience,
• 25:47
  I
• 25:47
  think.
• 25:48
  But
• 25:49
  Minority
• 25:49
  Report
• 25:50
  is
• 25:51
  interesting
• 25:52
  because
• 25:52
  it's
• 25:53
  just
• 25:54
  assuming
• 25:54
  that
• 25:54
  the
• 25:54
  future
• 25:55
  is
• 25:55
  correct,
• 25:55
  and
• 25:56
  that's
• 25:56
  part
• 25:56
  of
• 25:57
  Tom
• 25:57
  Cruise.
• 25:57
  John
• 25:58
  Anderton's
• 25:59
  role
• 25:59
  in
• 25:59
  the
• 25:59
  film
• 26:00
  is
• 26:00
  proving
• 26:00
  that
• 26:01
  wrong,
• 26:01
  along
• 26:02
  with
• 26:02
  Agatha's
• 26:02
  help,
• 26:03
  is
• 26:04
  just
• 26:04
  because
• 26:04
  they
• 26:04
  saw
• 26:04
  it
• 26:05
  does
• 26:05
  not
• 26:05
  mean
• 26:05
  it's
• 26:05
  going
• 26:05
  to
• 26:05
  happen.
• 26:06
  Yeah,
• 26:06
  and
• 26:06
  I
• 26:06
  think
• 26:07
  that.
• 26:07
  Oh,
• 26:07
  I'm
• 26:07
  sorry.
• 26:07
  Yeah,
• 26:08
  no,
• 26:08
  go
• 26:08
  ahead.
• 26:08
  I
• 26:08
  was
• 26:09
  going
• 26:09
  to
• 26:09
  say
• 26:09
  Kevin
• 26:09
  mentions
• 26:10
  that,
• 26:10
  too,
• 26:10
  and
• 26:11
  I
• 26:11
  think
• 26:11
  that's
• 26:11
  one
• 26:12
  of
• 26:12
  the
• 26:12
  places
• 26:13
  the
• 26:13
  movie
• 26:14
  is
• 26:14
  dis.
• 26:15
  Analogous
• 26:16
  to
• 26:17
  the
• 26:17
  theology
• 26:17
  of
• 26:18
  Thomas
• 26:18
  Aquinas
• 26:19
  and
• 26:19
  others,
• 26:19
  insofar
• 26:20
  as
• 26:21
  Aquinas
• 26:22
  and
• 26:22
  others
• 26:22
  who
• 26:22
  think
• 26:23
  that
• 26:23
  God
• 26:23
  knows
• 26:24
  the
• 26:24
  future
• 26:25
  also
• 26:25
  think
• 26:26
  God
• 26:26
  can't
• 26:27
  make
• 26:27
  any
• 26:27
  mistakes
• 26:28
  about
• 26:28
  that.
• 26:29
  It
• 26:29
  is
• 26:29
  infallible.
• 26:30
  Whereas
• 26:31
  in
• 26:31
  this
• 26:31
  movie,
• 26:33
  you
• 26:33
  start
• 26:33
  the
• 26:34
  movie
• 26:34
  thinking
• 26:34
  it's
• 26:34
  infallible,
• 26:35
  but
• 26:35
  then
• 26:36
  it
• 26:36
  turns
• 26:36
  out
• 26:37
  there's
• 26:37
  the
• 26:38
  Minority
• 26:38
  Report,
• 26:38
  there
• 26:39
  is
• 26:39
  another
• 26:39
  way
• 26:40
  of
• 26:40
  seeing
• 26:40
  things,
• 26:41
  and
• 26:42
  these
• 26:42
  Precogs
• 26:43
  don't
• 26:44
  all
• 26:44
  agree.
• 26:45
  And
• 26:45
  in
• 26:46
  fact,
• 26:46
  by
• 26:47
  the
• 26:47
  time
• 26:47
  the
• 26:47
  movie's
• 26:48
  ending,
• 26:48
  you
• 26:49
  even
• 26:49
  have
• 26:50
  people
• 26:50
  making
• 26:51
  choices
• 26:52
  that
• 26:52
  go
• 26:52
  against
• 26:53
  what
• 26:53
  the
• 26:53
  Precog
• 26:54
  saw
• 26:55
  in
• 26:55
  the
• 26:55
  future.
• 26:56
  So
• 26:56
  they're
• 26:56
  obviously
• 26:57
  not
• 26:57
  infallible.
• 26:58
  So
• 26:58
  that's
• 26:59
  one
• 26:59
  of
• 26:59
  the
• 26:59
  differences,
• 27:00
  I
• 27:00
  think,
• 27:00
  in
• 27:01
  this
• 27:01
  movie
• 27:01
  from
• 27:03
  the
• 27:03
  theological
• 27:03
  notion
• 27:04
  of
• 27:04
  divine
• 27:05
  foreknowledge.
• 27:06
  And
• 27:06
  do
• 27:06
  we
• 27:07
  think
• 27:07
  that
• 27:07
  that
• 27:07
  is
• 27:08
  an
• 27:09
  epistemological
• 27:11
  issue,
• 27:11
  Right,
• 27:11
  that
• 27:12
  just
• 27:12
  these
• 27:12
  Precogs
• 27:13
  have
• 27:13
  an
• 27:13
  imperfect
• 27:14
  knowledge
• 27:15
  of
• 27:15
  a
• 27:16
  set
• 27:16
  future?
• 27:16
  Or
• 27:16
  is
• 27:16
  it
• 27:17
  an
• 27:17
  ontological
• 27:17
  issue
• 27:17
  that
• 27:18
  the
• 27:18
  future
• 27:18
  is
• 27:18
  not
• 27:19
  as
• 27:19
  set
• 27:20
  as
• 27:21
  is
• 27:22
  implied
• 27:22
  by
• 27:22
  those
• 27:22
  visions?
• 27:23
  Yeah,
• 27:23
  I
• 27:24
  don't
• 27:24
  think
• 27:24
  the
• 27:24
  movie
• 27:25
  resolves
• 27:26
  that
• 27:26
  question.
• 27:27
  In
• 27:28
  theology,
• 27:30
  I
• 27:30
  can't
• 27:30
  think
• 27:30
  of
• 27:31
  anybody
• 27:31
  who
• 27:31
  believes
• 27:32
  that
• 27:33
  God's
• 27:34
  knowledge
• 27:34
  of
• 27:35
  the
• 27:35
  future
• 27:35
  doesn't
• 27:36
  also
• 27:36
  entail
• 27:37
  the
• 27:38
  ontological
• 27:38
  fact
• 27:39
  that
• 27:39
  the
• 27:40
  future
• 27:40
  is
• 27:40
  the
• 27:40
  way
• 27:41
  God
• 27:41
  knows
• 27:41
  it
• 27:41
  to
• 27:41
  be.
• 27:42
  So,
• 27:43
  you
• 27:43
  know,
• 27:43
  God's
• 27:43
  knowing
• 27:44
  and
• 27:44
  the
• 27:44
  future
• 27:45
  being
• 27:45
  the
• 27:45
  way
• 27:46
  it
• 27:46
  is,
• 27:46
  that's
• 27:47
  infallible.
• 27:49
  Of
• 27:49
  course,
• 27:49
  for
• 27:50
  us,
• 27:50
  that's
• 27:50
  maybe
• 27:51
  another
• 27:51
  question
• 27:52
  like.
• 27:53
  But
• 27:53
  ultimately,
• 27:54
  I
• 27:54
  think
• 27:56
  a
• 27:56
  lot
• 27:56
  rides
• 27:57
  on
• 27:57
  this
• 27:57
  issue
• 27:58
  of
• 27:58
  whether
• 27:58
  or
• 27:59
  not
• 27:59
  the
• 28:00
  future
• 28:00
  is
• 28:00
  settled
• 28:01
  ontologically.
• 28:02
  If
• 28:02
  it's
• 28:02
  a
• 28:02
  fact,
• 28:03
  if
• 28:03
  it's
• 28:04
  a
• 28:04
  final
• 28:04
  state
• 28:05
  of
• 28:05
  affairs,
• 28:06
  if
• 28:06
  it's
• 28:07
  fixed
• 28:08
  and
• 28:09
  someone
• 28:09
  like
• 28:09
  me.
• 28:10
  Well,
• 28:10
  I
• 28:10
  won't
• 28:11
  say
• 28:11
  someone
• 28:11
  like
• 28:11
  me
• 28:12
  me.
• 28:13
  I.
• 28:14
  I
• 28:14
  don't
• 28:15
  think
• 28:15
  that
• 28:16
  anyone,
• 28:17
  God
• 28:17
  included,
• 28:18
  can
• 28:19
  be
• 28:19
  absolutely
• 28:20
  certain
• 28:20
  about
• 28:21
  the
• 28:21
  future
• 28:21
  unless
• 28:23
  that
• 28:23
  future
• 28:24
  is
• 28:24
  settled,
• 28:25
  fixed,
• 28:25
  determined.
• 28:26
  But
• 28:27
  if
• 28:27
  that
• 28:28
  future
• 28:28
  is
• 28:28
  settled,
• 28:29
  fixed
• 28:29
  and
• 28:29
  determined,
• 28:30
  then
• 28:30
  that
• 28:30
  seems
• 28:31
  contrary
• 28:32
  to
• 28:32
  free
• 28:32
  will,
• 28:33
  if
• 28:33
  free
• 28:33
  will
• 28:34
  is
• 28:34
  making
• 28:35
  choices
• 28:35
  amongst
• 28:36
  possibilities,
• 28:37
  and
• 28:37
  one
• 28:37
  could
• 28:38
  do
• 28:38
  otherwise.
• 28:38
  So
• 28:39
  that's
• 28:39
  where
• 28:39
  the
• 28:40
  tension
• 28:40
  arises
• 28:41
  in
• 28:42
  the
• 28:42
  movie
• 28:42
  and
• 28:42
  in
• 28:43
  theology.
• 28:43
  If
• 28:44
  God
• 28:44
  knows
• 28:44
  the
• 28:45
  Future.
• 28:45
  And
• 28:45
  God
• 28:46
  can't
• 28:46
  be
• 28:46
  wrong
• 28:47
  about
• 28:47
  that.
• 28:47
  The
• 28:48
  future
• 28:48
  must
• 28:48
  be
• 28:49
  settled.
• 28:50
  But
• 28:50
  a
• 28:50
  settled
• 28:51
  future
• 28:51
  seems
• 28:52
  to
• 28:52
  be
• 28:52
  incompatible
• 28:53
  with
• 28:54
  us
• 28:54
  freely
• 28:54
  choosing
• 28:55
  among
• 28:56
  live
• 28:56
  options.
• 28:57
  Right.
• 28:57
  Which
• 28:58
  is
• 28:58
  my
• 28:58
  problem
• 28:59
  with
• 28:59
  your
• 28:59
  point
• 29:00
  of
• 29:00
  view,
• 29:00
  because
• 29:00
  I
• 29:00
  just
• 29:01
  don't.
• 29:01
  You
• 29:01
  know,
• 29:01
  you
• 29:01
  and
• 29:02
  I
• 29:02
  just
• 29:02
  don't
• 29:02
  agree
• 29:02
  on
• 29:02
  what
• 29:03
  time
• 29:03
  is,
• 29:04
  because
• 29:05
  that's
• 29:06
  all
• 29:06
  that
• 29:06
  we
• 29:06
  disagree
• 29:07
  on
• 29:07
  is
• 29:07
  I
• 29:07
  don't
• 29:08
  believe
• 29:08
  time
• 29:08
  is
• 29:08
  constant.
• 29:09
  Just
• 29:09
  a
• 29:09
  small
• 29:10
  matter
• 29:10
  like
• 29:10
  that.
• 29:12
  Something
• 29:12
  we
• 29:12
  can
• 29:12
  ignore.
• 29:14
  That's
• 29:14
  right.
• 29:15
  Yeah.
• 29:16
  I
• 29:16
  would
• 29:16
  say,
• 29:17
  if
• 29:18
  I
• 29:18
  was.
• 29:18
  Well,
• 29:19
  I
• 29:19
  guess
• 29:19
  we
• 29:19
  are
• 29:19
  debating.
• 29:21
  I
• 29:21
  would
• 29:21
  say,
• 29:21
  TJ
• 29:22
  that
• 29:22
  you
• 29:23
  live
• 29:23
  your
• 29:24
  life
• 29:25
  like
• 29:25
  I
• 29:25
  do,
• 29:26
  that
• 29:26
  time
• 29:26
  is
• 29:27
  real,
• 29:27
  that
• 29:28
  the
• 29:28
  future
• 29:28
  is
• 29:29
  a
• 29:29
  realm
• 29:30
  of
• 29:30
  possibilities,
• 29:31
  the
• 29:31
  past
• 29:32
  is
• 29:32
  settled.
• 29:32
  The
• 29:33
  way
• 29:33
  you
• 29:33
  live
• 29:33
  your
• 29:34
  life
• 29:36
  suggests
• 29:36
  you
• 29:37
  think
• 29:37
  time
• 29:37
  is
• 29:37
  real.
• 29:38
  But
• 29:38
  I
• 29:38
  could
• 29:38
  understand
• 29:39
  that
• 29:40
  for
• 29:40
  philosophical
• 29:41
  reasons
• 29:42
  or
• 29:42
  theological
• 29:43
  reasons,
• 29:44
  you
• 29:44
  might
• 29:44
  want
• 29:44
  to
• 29:44
  make
• 29:45
  the
• 29:45
  argument
• 29:45
  that
• 29:46
  you're
• 29:47
  living
• 29:47
  as
• 29:47
  if
• 29:48
  time
• 29:48
  is
• 29:48
  real
• 29:48
  just
• 29:49
  might
• 29:49
  not
• 29:49
  be
• 29:50
  true
• 29:50
  about
• 29:50
  the
• 29:50
  ultimate
• 29:51
  state
• 29:51
  of
• 29:51
  things.
• 29:52
  Again,
• 29:52
  I
• 29:52
  don't
• 29:52
  agree
• 29:52
  with
• 29:53
  that,
• 29:53
  but
• 29:53
  I
• 29:53
  could.
• 29:54
  I
• 29:54
  know
• 29:54
  people
• 29:54
  who
• 29:54
  make
• 29:55
  that
• 29:55
  argument.
• 29:55
  Yeah.
• 29:56
  Yeah.
• 29:56
  Just
• 29:57
  because
• 29:57
  I
• 29:57
  am
• 29:57
  just
• 29:57
  a
• 29:58
  man.
• 29:59
  As
• 29:59
  am
• 29:59
  I.
• 30:02
  Yeah.
• 30:02
  I
• 30:02
  definitely
• 30:03
  don't
• 30:03
  want
• 30:03
  to
• 30:03
  claim
• 30:03
  to
• 30:04
  have
• 30:04
  this
• 30:04
  all
• 30:04
  figured
• 30:05
  out,
• 30:05
  but
• 30:05
  I
• 30:05
  do
• 30:05
  want
• 30:06
  to
• 30:06
  claim,
• 30:06
  just
• 30:07
  to
• 30:07
  be
• 30:07
  honorary
• 30:08
  TJ
• 30:09
  that
• 30:09
  my
• 30:09
  view
• 30:10
  makes
• 30:10
  a
• 30:10
  lot
• 30:10
  more
• 30:11
  sense
• 30:11
  of
• 30:11
  life
• 30:12
  and
• 30:12
  of
• 30:12
  God
• 30:13
  and
• 30:13
  of
• 30:13
  Scripture.
• 30:14
  How's
• 30:14
  that
• 30:15
  for
• 30:15
  putting
• 30:15
  down
• 30:15
  the
• 30:15
  gauntlet?
• 30:16
  Nothing
• 30:16
  I
• 30:17
  haven't
• 30:17
  heard
• 30:17
  before.
• 30:18
  That's
• 30:18
  just
• 30:18
  normal
• 30:18
  Tom
• 30:19
  stuff.
• 30:19
  That's
• 30:20
  right.
• 30:22
  I
• 30:23
  love
• 30:23
  it.
• 30:23
  I
• 30:24
  think
• 30:24
  now
• 30:24
  you've
• 30:24
  said
• 30:24
  that
• 30:24
  on
• 30:25
  both
• 30:25
  of
• 30:25
  my
• 30:25
  shows.
• 30:29
  You
• 30:29
  have,
• 30:30
  however,
• 30:30
  on
• 30:30
  your
• 30:31
  side,
• 30:32
  the
• 30:32
  majority
• 30:33
  of
• 30:33
  the
• 30:33
  thinkers
• 30:34
  in
• 30:34
  the
• 30:34
  Christian
• 30:35
  tradition.
• 30:35
  Right.
• 30:36
  Not
• 30:36
  only
• 30:36
  Tom.
• 30:37
  I
• 30:37
  don't
• 30:37
  like
• 30:37
  a
• 30:37
  lot
• 30:37
  of
• 30:38
  them,
• 30:38
  to
• 30:38
  be
• 30:38
  fair.
• 30:39
  You
• 30:39
  don't?
• 30:39
  Okay.
• 30:40
  I
• 30:40
  don't
• 30:40
  like
• 30:40
  Thomas
• 30:41
  Aquinas.
• 30:42
  Yeah,
• 30:42
  I
• 30:42
  don't
• 30:42
  either.
• 30:43
  At
• 30:43
  least
• 30:43
  his
• 30:43
  doctrine
• 30:44
  of
• 30:44
  God.
• 30:44
  I
• 30:45
  think
• 30:45
  he's
• 30:45
  wise
• 30:45
  on
• 30:46
  a
• 30:46
  lot
• 30:46
  of
• 30:46
  things,
• 30:46
  but
• 30:46
  not
• 30:46
  when
• 30:47
  it
• 30:47
  comes
• 30:47
  to
• 30:47
  God.
• 30:48
  But
• 30:48
  I
• 30:49
  do
• 30:49
  think
• 30:49
  even
• 30:49
  people
• 30:50
  who
• 30:50
  agree
• 30:50
  with
• 30:51
  you
• 30:51
  will
• 30:51
  admit
• 30:52
  that
• 30:53
  a
• 30:53
  more
• 30:54
  typical
• 30:55
  reading
• 30:55
  of
• 30:56
  scripture
• 30:56
  supports
• 30:57
  my
• 30:57
  view
• 30:58
  better
• 30:58
  than
• 30:58
  yours.
• 31:00
  Probably
• 31:00
  so.
• 31:01
  I
• 31:01
  think
• 31:01
  one
• 31:01
  of
• 31:01
  the
• 31:02
  big
• 31:02
  questions
• 31:03
  that
• 31:03
  I
• 31:03
  kept
• 31:03
  asking
• 31:04
  myself
• 31:04
  when
• 31:04
  I
• 31:04
  was
• 31:05
  watching
• 31:05
  the
• 31:05
  Minority
• 31:06
  Report
• 31:06
  last
• 31:06
  night,
• 31:06
  again,
• 31:07
  is
• 31:08
  a
• 31:08
  question
• 31:08
  that
• 31:09
  I
• 31:09
  guess
• 31:10
  I
• 31:10
  kind
• 31:10
  of
• 31:10
  posed
• 31:10
  for
• 31:10
  the
• 31:11
  three
• 31:11
  of
• 31:11
  you.
• 31:11
  And
• 31:11
  that's
• 31:11
  the
• 31:12
  question
• 31:12
  of
• 31:12
  moral
• 31:13
  responsibility.
• 31:14
  And
• 31:15
  the
• 31:15
  film
• 31:15
  asks
• 31:16
  it.
• 31:16
  You
• 31:16
  know,
• 31:16
  if
• 31:17
  these
• 31:17
  Precogs
• 31:18
  are
• 31:18
  seeing
• 31:19
  something
• 31:19
  that's
• 31:20
  going
• 31:20
  to
• 31:20
  happen
• 31:20
  in
• 31:21
  the
• 31:21
  future,
• 31:21
  it
• 31:22
  hasn't
• 31:22
  yet
• 31:22
  happened.
• 31:23
  And
• 31:23
  the
• 31:24
  police
• 31:24
  arrive
• 31:25
  before
• 31:25
  the
• 31:27
  murder
• 31:27
  occurs,
• 31:28
  is
• 31:29
  the
• 31:29
  person
• 31:29
  who
• 31:30
  was
• 31:30
  going
• 31:31
  to
• 31:31
  do
• 31:31
  the
• 31:31
  murder,
• 31:31
  at
• 31:32
  least
• 31:32
  with
• 31:32
  the
• 31:32
  Precog,
• 31:33
  said
• 31:33
  they
• 31:33
  were
• 31:33
  going
• 31:33
  to
• 31:33
  do
• 31:34
  is
• 31:34
  that
• 31:34
  person
• 31:35
  genuinely
• 31:36
  morally
• 31:36
  responsible?
• 31:37
  We
• 31:38
  normally
• 31:38
  think
• 31:39
  a
• 31:40
  person
• 31:40
  isn't
• 31:40
  morally
• 31:41
  responsible
• 31:42
  for
• 31:42
  some
• 31:42
  action
• 31:43
  unless
• 31:43
  that
• 31:43
  person
• 31:44
  actually
• 31:44
  does
• 31:44
  the
• 31:44
  action.
• 31:46
  But
• 31:46
  in
• 31:47
  this
• 31:47
  case
• 31:47
  in
• 31:47
  the
• 31:47
  Minority
• 31:48
  Report,
• 31:49
  there's
• 31:50
  so
• 31:50
  much
• 31:50
  trust
• 31:51
  that
• 31:51
  the
• 31:51
  Precogs
• 31:52
  know
• 31:52
  what's
• 31:52
  going
• 31:52
  to
• 31:52
  happen
• 31:52
  in
• 31:53
  advance
• 31:54
  that
• 31:54
  they
• 31:55
  make
• 31:55
  the
• 31:55
  assumption
• 31:56
  that
• 31:57
  the
• 31:57
  person
• 31:58
  not
• 31:58
  only
• 31:58
  would
• 31:58
  have
• 31:59
  done
• 31:59
  it,
• 31:59
  but
• 31:59
  that
• 31:59
  would
• 32:00
  have.
• 32:00
  Doing
• 32:00
  the
• 32:00
  action
• 32:01
  is
• 32:02
  the
• 32:02
  truth
• 32:03
  of
• 32:03
  the
• 32:03
  matter.
• 32:03
  Ontologically,
• 32:05
  that's
• 32:05
  a
• 32:06
  pretty
• 32:06
  big
• 32:06
  jump.
• 32:07
  It's
• 32:07
  a
• 32:07
  jump
• 32:08
  I
• 32:08
  think
• 32:08
  a
• 32:09
  lot
• 32:09
  of
• 32:09
  theologians
• 32:10
  want
• 32:10
  to
• 32:10
  make
• 32:11
  when
• 32:11
  they
• 32:11
  say
• 32:11
  that
• 32:11
  God
• 32:12
  foreknows
• 32:13
  from
• 32:13
  all
• 32:13
  eternity
• 32:14
  that
• 32:14
  the
• 32:15
  four
• 32:15
  of
• 32:15
  us
• 32:15
  are
• 32:15
  going
• 32:15
  to
• 32:16
  have
• 32:16
  this
• 32:16
  conversation
• 32:17
  right
• 32:17
  now,
• 32:18
  and
• 32:18
  yet
• 32:18
  we
• 32:18
  somehow
• 32:19
  freely
• 32:19
  do
• 32:19
  it,
• 32:20
  and
• 32:20
  we're
• 32:21
  somehow
• 32:21
  freely
• 32:21
  responsible.
• 32:22
  And
• 32:23
  if
• 32:23
  we
• 32:23
  sin
• 32:23
  in
• 32:24
  this,
• 32:24
  we
• 32:24
  somehow
• 32:24
  are
• 32:25
  responsible
• 32:25
  for
• 32:25
  that
• 32:26
  sin.
• 32:26
  But
• 32:27
  it
• 32:27
  seems
• 32:27
  weird
• 32:28
  to
• 32:28
  think
• 32:28
  that
• 32:30
  until.
• 32:31
  That
• 32:31
  we're
• 32:31
  guilty
• 32:32
  of
• 32:32
  something
• 32:32
  even
• 32:33
  before
• 32:33
  we've
• 32:34
  even
• 32:34
  done
• 32:34
  it.
• 32:35
  Yeah.
• 32:35
  Well.
• 32:36
  So
• 32:36
  Philip
• 32:36
  Dick
• 32:37
  and
• 32:37
  Steven
• 32:37
  Spielberg,
• 32:38
  I
• 32:38
  do
• 32:38
  believe,
• 32:38
  are
• 32:38
  Calvinist,
• 32:39
  which
• 32:39
  might
• 32:39
  have
• 32:40
  caused
• 32:40
  this
• 32:40
  problem.
• 32:40
  Is
• 32:41
  that
• 32:41
  right?
• 32:41
  Okay,
• 32:41
  maybe
• 32:42
  that's
• 32:42
  what
• 32:42
  it
• 32:42
  seems
• 32:43
  like
• 32:43
  from
• 32:43
  the
• 32:43
  movie.
• 32:44
  From
• 32:44
  the
• 32:44
  movie.
• 32:44
  Yeah,
• 32:45
  I
• 32:45
  guess
• 32:45
  so.
• 32:46
  But
• 32:47
  I
• 32:48
  do
• 32:48
  think
• 32:48
  it's
• 32:48
  interesting
• 32:48
  because
• 32:49
  they
• 32:50
  convinced
• 32:50
  at
• 32:50
  least
• 32:50
  all
• 32:51
  of
• 32:51
  Washington,
• 32:51
  D.C.
• 32:52
  and
• 32:52
  then
• 32:52
  the
• 32:52
  world,
• 32:53
  or
• 32:53
  at
• 32:53
  least
• 32:54
  the
• 32:54
  country.
• 32:55
  They
• 32:55
  all
• 32:56
  operate
• 32:56
  on
• 32:56
  the
• 32:56
  supposition
• 32:57
  that
• 32:57
  the
• 32:57
  future
• 32:58
  is
• 32:58
  set
• 32:58
  in
• 32:58
  stone
• 32:59
  until
• 33:00
  John
• 33:00
  Anderton
• 33:01
  proves
• 33:01
  otherwise.
• 33:03
  And
• 33:03
  I
• 33:04
  can
• 33:04
  understand
• 33:04
  the
• 33:04
  attraction
• 33:05
  of
• 33:05
  it,
• 33:06
  because
• 33:07
  this
• 33:08
  was
• 33:08
  the
• 33:08
  thing
• 33:08
  I
• 33:08
  was
• 33:08
  asking
• 33:09
  myself
• 33:09
  last
• 33:10
  night.
• 33:10
  I
• 33:10
  was
• 33:11
  asking
• 33:11
  myself
• 33:11
  about
• 33:11
  my
• 33:12
  own
• 33:12
  theology.
• 33:14
  People
• 33:14
  were
• 33:15
  quite
• 33:15
  willing
• 33:16
  not
• 33:17
  only
• 33:17
  to
• 33:18
  set
• 33:18
  aside
• 33:19
  their
• 33:19
  quibbles
• 33:20
  about
• 33:20
  free
• 33:20
  will
• 33:21
  when
• 33:21
  it
• 33:21
  comes
• 33:22
  to
• 33:22
  the
• 33:22
  murder,
• 33:22
  but
• 33:23
  also
• 33:24
  set
• 33:24
  aside
• 33:24
  any
• 33:25
  quibbles
• 33:25
  they
• 33:25
  might
• 33:26
  have
• 33:26
  about
• 33:26
  having
• 33:26
  these
• 33:27
  three
• 33:27
  Precog
• 33:28
  humans
• 33:29
  laying
• 33:29
  in
• 33:30
  vats
• 33:30
  all
• 33:30
  day
• 33:31
  thinking
• 33:32
  about
• 33:32
  the
• 33:32
  future.
• 33:32
  I
• 33:33
  mean,
• 33:33
  that's.
• 33:33
  There's
• 33:33
  a
• 33:33
  kind
• 33:33
  of
• 33:34
  moral
• 33:34
  question
• 33:34
  there.
• 33:35
  They
• 33:35
  were.
• 33:36
  They
• 33:36
  were
• 33:36
  willing
• 33:37
  to
• 33:37
  set
• 33:37
  aside
• 33:38
  those
• 33:39
  kind
• 33:39
  of
• 33:39
  qualms
• 33:40
  and
• 33:41
  squeamishness
• 33:42
  for
• 33:43
  the
• 33:43
  sake
• 33:43
  of
• 33:43
  preventing
• 33:44
  future
• 33:45
  murders.
• 33:46
  And
• 33:46
  I
• 33:47
  think
• 33:47
  that's
• 33:47
  a
• 33:47
  really
• 33:47
  big
• 33:48
  question.
• 33:48
  To
• 33:48
  what
• 33:49
  degree
• 33:50
  are
• 33:50
  we
• 33:50
  willing
• 33:51
  to
• 33:51
  sacrifice
• 33:52
  people's
• 33:53
  freedom
• 33:53
  and
• 33:55
  rights
• 33:55
  about
• 33:56
  what
• 33:56
  they
• 33:56
  choose
• 33:56
  to
• 33:57
  do
• 33:57
  with
• 33:57
  themselves
• 33:58
  for
• 33:58
  the
• 33:58
  sake
• 33:59
  of
• 34:00
  solving
• 34:00
  some
• 34:01
  murder
• 34:02
  or.
• 34:03
  Well,
• 34:04
  I
• 34:04
  think
• 34:04
  it's.
• 34:05
  I
• 34:05
  think
• 34:05
  it's
• 34:05
  a
• 34:05
  better
• 34:06
  question
• 34:06
  if
• 34:06
  we
• 34:06
  ask
• 34:07
  it
• 34:07
  more
• 34:07
  personally.
• 34:08
  Like,
• 34:08
  the
• 34:09
  four
• 34:09
  of
• 34:09
  us,
• 34:09
  would
• 34:10
  we
• 34:10
  go
• 34:11
  spend
• 34:11
  the
• 34:11
  rest
• 34:11
  of
• 34:11
  our
• 34:11
  lives
• 34:12
  in
• 34:12
  a
• 34:12
  vat
• 34:12
  to
• 34:12
  prevent
• 34:13
  every
• 34:14
  future
• 34:14
  murder
• 34:15
  forever?
• 34:16
  I
• 34:16
  think
• 34:16
  I
• 34:16
  might.
• 34:17
  Yeah.
• 34:17
  But
• 34:18
  that
• 34:18
  assumes
• 34:18
  that
• 34:19
  the
• 34:19
  Precogs
• 34:19
  were
• 34:20
  there
• 34:20
  voluntarily,
• 34:20
  which
• 34:21
  they
• 34:21
  weren't.
• 34:22
  Yeah.
• 34:23
  Kind
• 34:23
  of
• 34:23
  hard.
• 34:23
  Yeah.
• 34:24
  I'm
• 34:24
  not.
• 34:24
  It
• 34:24
  is
• 34:25
  kind
• 34:25
  of
• 34:25
  movie
• 34:26
  doesn't
• 34:26
  settle
• 34:26
  that
• 34:26
  clearly.
• 34:27
  But
• 34:27
  I
• 34:27
  think
• 34:27
  I'm
• 34:27
  with
• 34:28
  you.
• 34:28
  They
• 34:28
  don't
• 34:28
  seem
• 34:29
  like
• 34:29
  they
• 34:29
  were
• 34:29
  there
• 34:29
  voluntarily.
• 34:30
  Yeah.
• 34:30
  Agatha
• 34:31
  got
• 34:31
  manipulated
• 34:32
  into
• 34:32
  it,
• 34:32
  at
• 34:32
  least.
• 34:33
  And
• 34:33
  they
• 34:33
  don't
• 34:33
  really
• 34:33
  cover
• 34:33
  the
• 34:34
  other
• 34:34
  two.
• 34:34
  They
• 34:34
  know,
• 34:35
  like,
• 34:35
  we
• 34:35
  know
• 34:35
  their
• 34:35
  lab
• 34:36
  experiments
• 34:36
  maybe.
• 34:37
  Can
• 34:38
  I
• 34:38
  change
• 34:38
  your
• 34:38
  question
• 34:39
  slightly,
• 34:39
  tj?
• 34:40
  I'll
• 34:40
  still
• 34:40
  keep
• 34:41
  it
• 34:41
  personal.
• 34:42
  Would
• 34:43
  you
• 34:43
  ask
• 34:44
  your
• 34:44
  partner
• 34:45
  to
• 34:45
  spend
• 34:46
  the
• 34:46
  rest
• 34:46
  of
• 34:46
  their
• 34:47
  lives
• 34:47
  in
• 34:47
  a
• 34:47
  vat
• 34:48
  to
• 34:49
  prevent
• 34:49
  the
• 34:49
  murders
• 34:50
  of
• 34:50
  other
• 34:50
  people?
• 34:51
  Would
• 34:51
  you
• 34:51
  ask
• 34:51
  someone
• 34:52
  else
• 34:52
  to
• 34:52
  sacrifice
• 34:53
  their
• 34:54
  freedom
• 34:55
  and
• 34:55
  integrity
• 34:56
  to
• 34:56
  prevent
• 34:56
  murders?
• 34:57
  Right.
• 34:59
  So
• 34:59
  that's
• 34:59
  the
• 34:59
  reason
• 34:59
  that
• 35:00
  I
• 35:00
  framed
• 35:00
  mine
• 35:01
  in
• 35:01
  that
• 35:01
  way,
• 35:01
  because
• 35:01
  I
• 35:02
  think
• 35:02
  that
• 35:02
  is
• 35:02
  what
• 35:03
  most
• 35:03
  people
• 35:03
  in
• 35:04
  the
• 35:04
  world
• 35:05
  of
• 35:05
  Minority
• 35:05
  Report
• 35:06
  are
• 35:06
  assuming,
• 35:07
  that
• 35:07
  they
• 35:08
  volunteered
• 35:08
  for
• 35:08
  that.
• 35:09
  Yeah.
• 35:09
  And
• 35:09
  that
• 35:10
  makes
• 35:10
  it
• 35:10
  easier
• 35:11
  to
• 35:11
  set
• 35:11
  aside
• 35:12
  the
• 35:12
  moral
• 35:12
  quandary.
• 35:13
  It's
• 35:13
  like,
• 35:13
  oh,
• 35:13
  well,
• 35:13
  I'm
• 35:14
  sure
• 35:14
  they
• 35:14
  volunteered
• 35:14
  that.
• 35:15
  Yeah.
• 35:16
  Well,
• 35:16
  and
• 35:16
  a
• 35:16
  lot
• 35:16
  of
• 35:17
  other
• 35:17
  sci
• 35:17
  fi,
• 35:18
  I
• 35:18
  think,
• 35:18
  particularly
• 35:19
  today
• 35:19
  in
• 35:20
  the
• 35:20
  last
• 35:21
  maybe
• 35:21
  10
• 35:22
  years
• 35:22
  or
• 35:22
  so,
• 35:23
  has
• 35:23
  asked
• 35:24
  similar
• 35:24
  questions.
• 35:25
  So
• 35:25
  me
• 35:25
  and
• 35:25
  TJ
• 35:26
  and
• 35:26
  Christian,
• 35:27
  other
• 35:27
  hosts
• 35:27
  of
• 35:27
  the
• 35:27
  show,
• 35:28
  did
• 35:28
  an
• 35:28
  episode
• 35:28
  on
• 35:29
  the
• 35:29
  Last
• 35:29
  of
• 35:29
  Us
• 35:30
  earlier
• 35:30
  this
• 35:30
  year,
• 35:31
  and
• 35:31
  we
• 35:31
  end
• 35:32
  in
• 35:32
  the
• 35:32
  first
• 35:33
  game,
• 35:33
  in
• 35:33
  the
• 35:33
  first
• 35:33
  season.
• 35:34
  It
• 35:35
  very
• 35:35
  much
• 35:35
  poses
• 35:35
  this
• 35:36
  question
• 35:36
  of,
• 35:36
  you
• 35:37
  know,
• 35:37
  the
• 35:37
  main
• 35:37
  character
• 35:38
  is
• 35:38
  not
• 35:38
  willing
• 35:39
  to
• 35:39
  give
• 35:39
  up
• 35:39
  his
• 35:40
  adopted
• 35:41
  daughter
• 35:42
  to
• 35:42
  potentially
• 35:43
  save
• 35:43
  the
• 35:43
  world.
• 35:44
  And
• 35:45
  even
• 35:45
  though.
• 35:45
  Even
• 35:46
  though
• 35:46
  she
• 35:47
  would
• 35:47
  have
• 35:47
  granted
• 35:48
  him
• 35:50
  the
• 35:50
  freedom
• 35:51
  to
• 35:51
  do
• 35:51
  so.
• 35:51
  And
• 35:52
  it
• 35:52
  does
• 35:52
  raise
• 35:53
  such
• 35:53
  these
• 35:53
  questions
• 35:54
  as,
• 35:54
  like,
• 35:54
  what
• 35:55
  are
• 35:55
  we
• 35:56
  more
• 35:56
  desperate
• 35:57
  to
• 35:57
  hold
• 35:57
  on
• 35:58
  to
• 35:58
  our
• 35:59
  individuality,
• 36:00
  our
• 36:01
  own
• 36:01
  needs,
• 36:01
  or
• 36:02
  are
• 36:02
  we
• 36:02
  willing
• 36:02
  to
• 36:02
  give
• 36:03
  up
• 36:03
  things
• 36:03
  for,
• 36:04
  you
• 36:04
  know,
• 36:04
  quote,
• 36:05
  unquote,
• 36:05
  the
• 36:05
  greater
• 36:05
  good?
• 36:06
  There's
• 36:06
  a
• 36:06
  lot,
• 36:06
  I
• 36:06
  think,
• 36:07
  of
• 36:07
  that
• 36:07
  DNA
• 36:08
  in
• 36:08
  this
• 36:08
  movie
• 36:09
  as
• 36:09
  well.
• 36:09
  And
• 36:10
  I
• 36:10
  don't
• 36:10
  know
• 36:10
  if
• 36:10
  I
• 36:11
  have
• 36:11
  a
• 36:11
  good,
• 36:11
  like,
• 36:11
  a
• 36:11
  lot
• 36:12
  of
• 36:12
  these
• 36:12
  questions
• 36:12
  I
• 36:12
  don't
• 36:12
  know
• 36:12
  if
• 36:12
  I
• 36:13
  have
• 36:13
  a
• 36:13
  good
• 36:13
  answer
• 36:13
  to.
• 36:14
  It's
• 36:15
  honestly
• 36:15
  something
• 36:15
  I
• 36:15
  don't
• 36:15
  have
• 36:16
  to
• 36:16
  really
• 36:16
  pause
• 36:16
  and
• 36:16
  reflect
• 36:17
  on
• 36:18
  because.
• 36:18
  But.
• 36:19
  But
• 36:19
  I
• 36:19
  think
• 36:19
  too,
• 36:20
  we
• 36:20
  are,
• 36:20
  you
• 36:20
  know,
• 36:21
  we're
• 36:21
  getting
• 36:21
  into
• 36:22
  more
• 36:23
  uncertainty
• 36:24
  in
• 36:24
  the
• 36:25
  world
• 36:25
  as
• 36:25
  technologies
• 36:26
  are
• 36:26
  shifting.
• 36:26
  And,
• 36:27
  you
• 36:27
  know,
• 36:27
  this
• 36:28
  movie
• 36:28
  takes
• 36:28
  place
• 36:28
  in
• 36:28
  2054,
• 36:29
  we're
• 36:29
  in
• 36:29
  2025,
• 36:31
  and
• 36:31
  a
• 36:31
  lot
• 36:32
  of
• 36:32
  concepts
• 36:32
  that
• 36:33
  we've
• 36:33
  seen
• 36:33
  in
• 36:33
  sci
• 36:33
  fi
• 36:34
  movies
• 36:34
  for
• 36:34
  the
• 36:34
  past
• 36:35
  20
• 36:35
  years
• 36:36
  or
• 36:36
  more,
• 36:37
  you
• 36:37
  know,
• 36:37
  are
• 36:37
  becoming.
• 36:38
  Are
• 36:38
  coming
• 36:38
  more
• 36:38
  to
• 36:38
  fruition,
• 36:39
  particularly
• 36:39
  with
• 36:39
  AI
• 36:41
  and,
• 36:41
  you
• 36:41
  know,
• 36:42
  these
• 36:42
  questions
• 36:42
  are
• 36:42
  being
• 36:43
  raised.
• 36:43
  So
• 36:43
  if
• 36:43
  we
• 36:44
  had
• 36:44
  this
• 36:44
  kind
• 36:44
  of
• 36:44
  technology
• 36:45
  in
• 36:45
  the
• 36:45
  future
• 36:46
  there,
• 36:46
  like
• 36:46
  you
• 36:47
  said,
• 36:47
  Tom,
• 36:47
  I
• 36:47
  think
• 36:47
  there
• 36:47
  is
• 36:48
  definitely
• 36:48
  an
• 36:48
  appeal
• 36:49
  there
• 36:49
  because
• 36:50
  it's
• 36:51
  like,
• 36:51
  you
• 36:51
  see
• 36:52
  how
• 36:52
  much
• 36:52
  horrendous
• 36:53
  violence
• 36:54
  happens
• 36:54
  in
• 36:54
  the
• 36:54
  world
• 36:55
  today,
• 36:56
  and
• 36:56
  if
• 36:56
  you
• 36:56
  had
• 36:57
  a
• 36:57
  potential
• 36:57
  anecdote
• 36:58
  to
• 36:58
  that,
• 36:58
  would
• 36:59
  you
• 36:59
  sacrifice
• 37:00
  potentially
• 37:01
  some
• 37:01
  freedom
• 37:02
  and
• 37:02
  Substance
• 37:02
  of
• 37:03
  notion
• 37:03
  in
• 37:03
  order
• 37:03
  to
• 37:04
  make
• 37:04
  the
• 37:04
  world
• 37:04
  safer.
• 37:05
  Because
• 37:06
  the
• 37:06
  movie
• 37:06
  really
• 37:07
  does
• 37:08
  tackle
• 37:08
  that
• 37:08
  at
• 37:08
  the
• 37:09
  beginning
• 37:09
  when
• 37:09
  they
• 37:09
  show
• 37:09
  that
• 37:10
  montage
• 37:10
  of
• 37:10
  people
• 37:11
  who,
• 37:11
  you
• 37:12
  know,
• 37:12
  because
• 37:13
  that.
• 37:13
  The
• 37:13
  other
• 37:14
  thing
• 37:14
  we.
• 37:14
  I
• 37:14
  didn't
• 37:14
  mention
• 37:15
  the
• 37:15
  plot
• 37:15
  summary
• 37:15
  is
• 37:16
  in
• 37:16
  this.
• 37:16
  Since
• 37:17
  pre
• 37:17
  crime
• 37:17
  started
• 37:17
  in
• 37:18
  this
• 37:18
  world,
• 37:18
  the
• 37:19
  city
• 37:19
  has
• 37:19
  not
• 37:20
  had
• 37:20
  a
• 37:20
  murder
• 37:20
  in
• 37:21
  six
• 37:21
  years.
• 37:21
  And
• 37:21
  so
• 37:22
  that,
• 37:22
  you
• 37:22
  know,
• 37:23
  shows
• 37:23
  that,
• 37:23
  like,
• 37:24
  you
• 37:24
  know,
• 37:24
  despite
• 37:25
  the,
• 37:26
  you
• 37:26
  know,
• 37:27
  really
• 37:27
  shady
• 37:28
  origins
• 37:29
  of
• 37:29
  this
• 37:29
  division
• 37:30
  and
• 37:30
  this
• 37:30
  experiment,
• 37:31
  and
• 37:32
  there
• 37:32
  were
• 37:32
  horrible
• 37:32
  things
• 37:33
  done
• 37:33
  to
• 37:33
  the
• 37:34
  pre
• 37:34
  cogs,
• 37:35
  you
• 37:35
  know,
• 37:35
  there's
• 37:36
  like.
• 37:36
  It
• 37:36
  still
• 37:36
  raises
• 37:37
  that
• 37:37
  question
• 37:37
  of,
• 37:38
  like,
• 37:38
  was
• 37:39
  it
• 37:39
  worth
• 37:39
  it?
• 37:39
  Because
• 37:40
  there
• 37:40
  is
• 37:40
  certainly
• 37:41
  an
• 37:41
  appeal
• 37:41
  there
• 37:42
  of
• 37:42
  a
• 37:43
  world
• 37:43
  without
• 37:43
  murder.
• 37:44
  And
• 37:45
  so,
• 37:45
  you
• 37:45
  know,
• 37:45
  there's.
• 37:46
  I
• 37:46
  don't
• 37:46
  think
• 37:46
  there's
• 37:46
  an
• 37:46
  easy
• 37:47
  answer
• 37:47
  here
• 37:48
  to
• 37:48
  definitively
• 37:49
  say
• 37:50
  what
• 37:50
  we
• 37:50
  would
• 37:50
  do
• 37:50
  in
• 37:51
  those
• 37:51
  scenarios.
• 37:52
  And
• 37:53
  so
• 37:53
  to
• 37:53
  answer
• 37:54
  your
• 37:54
  question,
• 37:54
  I
• 37:54
  think
• 37:55
  if
• 37:55
  I
• 37:56
  couldn't
• 37:56
  ask
• 37:56
  my
• 37:56
  partner
• 37:57
  to
• 37:57
  do
• 37:57
  that,
• 37:57
  but
• 37:57
  if
• 37:57
  they
• 37:58
  came
• 37:58
  to
• 37:58
  me
• 37:58
  and
• 37:58
  said
• 37:58
  they
• 37:59
  wanted
• 37:59
  to
• 37:59
  do
• 37:59
  that,
• 38:00
  then
• 38:01
  I
• 38:01
  would
• 38:01
  probably
• 38:01
  let
• 38:02
  them.
• 38:02
  Yeah.
• 38:03
  And
• 38:03
  I
• 38:03
  like
• 38:04
  that
• 38:04
  you
• 38:04
  earlier
• 38:04
  said
• 38:05
  you
• 38:05
  would
• 38:05
  do
• 38:06
  that
• 38:06
  if
• 38:06
  you
• 38:07
  knew
• 38:07
  that
• 38:08
  you're
• 38:08
  laying
• 38:09
  in
• 38:09
  the
• 38:09
  vat
• 38:10
  and
• 38:10
  seeing
• 38:10
  these
• 38:11
  visions,
• 38:11
  even
• 38:11
  the
• 38:12
  painful.
• 38:12
  Painful
• 38:13
  as
• 38:13
  it
• 38:13
  is,
• 38:14
  would,
• 38:15
  if
• 38:15
  not
• 38:15
  reduce,
• 38:16
  if
• 38:16
  not
• 38:17
  totally
• 38:17
  eliminate,
• 38:18
  at
• 38:18
  least
• 38:18
  highly
• 38:19
  reduce
• 38:19
  the
• 38:20
  number
• 38:20
  of
• 38:21
  murders
• 38:21
  in
• 38:21
  the
• 38:22
  future.
• 38:22
  You
• 38:23
  do
• 38:23
  that
• 38:23
  so
• 38:24
  that,
• 38:24
  you
• 38:24
  know,
• 38:24
  that
• 38:24
  makes
• 38:24
  me
• 38:25
  think
• 38:25
  of
• 38:25
  tj.
• 38:27
  Here's
• 38:29
  a
• 38:29
  segment
• 38:29
  of
• 38:29
  our
• 38:30
  episode
• 38:30
  for
• 38:30
  us.
• 38:31
  Who's
• 38:31
  morally
• 38:32
  superior,
• 38:33
  TJ
• 38:34
  or
• 38:34
  Jesus
• 38:35
  of
• 38:35
  Nazareth?
• 38:38
  Let's
• 38:38
  say
• 38:38
  Jesus
• 38:39
  is
• 38:39
  divine
• 38:40
  and
• 38:41
  knows
• 38:41
  the
• 38:41
  future.
• 38:42
  And
• 38:42
  Jesus
• 38:43
  knows
• 38:43
  that
• 38:43
  going
• 38:44
  to
• 38:44
  the
• 38:44
  cross
• 38:45
  means
• 38:45
  that
• 38:46
  people
• 38:46
  are
• 38:46
  going
• 38:47
  to
• 38:47
  find
• 38:47
  salvation.
• 38:48
  Maybe
• 38:48
  everyone,
• 38:49
  maybe
• 38:49
  just
• 38:49
  some,
• 38:50
  but
• 38:50
  somehow
• 38:51
  Jesus
• 38:52
  knows
• 38:52
  that
• 38:52
  a
• 38:53
  good
• 38:53
  portion
• 38:53
  of
• 38:54
  the
• 38:54
  planet
• 38:54
  is
• 38:55
  going
• 38:55
  to
• 38:55
  find
• 38:55
  salvation
• 38:56
  because
• 38:56
  he
• 38:56
  dies.
• 38:57
  And
• 38:57
  TJ
• 38:58
  knows
• 38:58
  if
• 38:59
  he's
• 38:59
  in
• 38:59
  the
• 38:59
  vat
• 39:00
  looking
• 39:00
  at
• 39:00
  the
• 39:00
  films
• 39:01
  of
• 39:01
  future
• 39:01
  murders,
• 39:02
  he's
• 39:02
  going
• 39:03
  to
• 39:03
  prevent
• 39:03
  some,
• 39:04
  but
• 39:04
  not
• 39:04
  all.
• 39:05
  I
• 39:05
  would
• 39:06
  say
• 39:06
  if
• 39:06
  Jesus.
• 39:07
  The
• 39:07
  number
• 39:08
  of
• 39:08
  Jesus
• 39:09
  or
• 39:09
  the
• 39:09
  number
• 39:09
  of
• 39:10
  people
• 39:10
  that
• 39:10
  Jesus
• 39:11
  could
• 39:11
  potentially
• 39:12
  save
• 39:12
  is
• 39:13
  far,
• 39:13
  far
• 39:13
  greater
• 39:14
  than
• 39:15
  TJ
• 39:15
  given
• 39:15
  that
• 39:16
  TJ
• 39:16
  just
• 39:16
  started
• 39:16
  living
• 39:17
  just
• 39:17
  now.
• 39:17
  And
• 39:18
  presumably
• 39:19
  if
• 39:19
  Jesus
• 39:20
  is
• 39:20
  divine,
• 39:21
  Jesus
• 39:21
  has
• 39:22
  all
• 39:22
  time
• 39:22
  or
• 39:22
  whatever.
• 39:23
  So
• 39:24
  you
• 39:24
  can
• 39:24
  make
• 39:24
  a
• 39:25
  good
• 39:25
  argument
• 39:25
  that
• 39:25
  TJ
• 39:26
  is
• 39:26
  actually
• 39:27
  morally
• 39:28
  superior
• 39:28
  to
• 39:28
  Jesus
• 39:29
  of
• 39:29
  Nazareth.
• 39:29
  Do
• 39:30
  you
• 39:30
  think
• 39:30
  of
• 39:30
  that?
• 39:30
  I
• 39:31
  think.
• 39:31
  I
• 39:31
  think
• 39:31
  Josh
• 39:32
  and
• 39:32
  Christian
• 39:33
  would
• 39:33
  take
• 39:33
  that
• 39:33
  stance
• 39:34
  and
• 39:34
  run
• 39:34
  with
• 39:34
  it
• 39:35
  to
• 39:35
  introduce
• 39:35
  me
• 39:35
  on
• 39:36
  this
• 39:36
  show.
• 39:36
  Good.
• 39:40
  More
• 39:40
  loving
• 39:40
  than
• 39:41
  Jesus.
• 39:41
  Yeah.
• 39:42
  But
• 39:42
  I
• 39:42
  would
• 39:43
  say
• 39:43
  probably
• 39:43
  Jesus
• 39:44
  of
• 39:44
  Nazareth
• 39:45
  because
• 39:45
  he
• 39:45
  did
• 39:45
  it.
• 39:46
  Mine's
• 39:47
  hypothetical.
• 39:48
  All
• 39:49
  right.
• 39:49
  For
• 39:49
  now,
• 39:49
  at
• 39:50
  least.
• 39:51
  But
• 39:51
  we'll
• 39:52
  see.
• 39:52
  Maybe
• 39:52
  that's
• 39:52
  the
• 39:53
  form
• 39:53
  that
• 39:53
  he'll
• 39:53
  come
• 39:53
  back
• 39:54
  in,
• 39:54
  is
• 39:54
  as
• 39:54
  a
• 39:54
  Precog,
• 39:55
  maybe
• 39:56
  so
• 39:56
  Maybe
• 39:56
  so.
• 39:58
  So
• 39:58
  it
• 39:58
  is
• 39:59
  Andy.
• 40:00
  I
• 40:00
  just,
• 40:00
  you
• 40:00
  know
• 40:01
  that
• 40:01
  we've,
• 40:01
  we've
• 40:01
  gone
• 40:02
  some
• 40:02
  places.
• 40:02
  I
• 40:02
  did
• 40:03
  not,
• 40:03
  I
• 40:03
  did
• 40:03
  not
• 40:03
  see
• 40:04
  any
• 40:04
  of
• 40:04
  this
• 40:04
  coming,
• 40:08
  but
• 40:09
  it
• 40:09
  felt
• 40:09
  like
• 40:09
  we
• 40:10
  hit
• 40:10
  maybe
• 40:10
  a
• 40:10
  lull
• 40:11
  in
• 40:11
  that.
• 40:11
  In
• 40:11
  that
• 40:11
  direction.
• 40:12
  So
• 40:12
  maybe
• 40:12
  I
• 40:13
  can
• 40:13
  nudge
• 40:13
  us
• 40:13
  in
• 40:13
  a
• 40:14
  little
• 40:14
  bit
• 40:14
  of
• 40:14
  a
• 40:15
  different
• 40:15
  direction
• 40:16
  and
• 40:16
  since
• 40:16
  we've
• 40:17
  gotten
• 40:17
  fairly
• 40:17
  theological
• 40:18
  and
• 40:18
  biblical
• 40:19
  here,
• 40:19
  maybe
• 40:19
  we'll
• 40:19
  stay
• 40:19
  in
• 40:19
  that
• 40:20
  vein.
• 40:20
  Right.
• 40:21
  So
• 40:21
  one
• 40:21
  of,
• 40:21
  one
• 40:21
  of
• 40:21
  the
• 40:22
  interesting
• 40:22
  things
• 40:22
  about
• 40:23
  the
• 40:23
  Precog
• 40:24
  visions
• 40:24
  is
• 40:25
  that
• 40:25
  while
• 40:25
  they
• 40:25
  are
• 40:26
  literal,
• 40:26
  right.
• 40:27
  They.
• 40:27
  They
• 40:27
  are
• 40:28
  presented
• 40:28
  in
• 40:28
  the
• 40:29
  form
• 40:29
  of
• 40:30
  essentially
• 40:30
  video
• 40:31
  footage.
• 40:31
  Right.
• 40:31
  That
• 40:32
  somehow
• 40:33
  they
• 40:33
  can
• 40:33
  extract
• 40:33
  video
• 40:33
  footage
• 40:34
  from
• 40:34
  these,
• 40:34
  these
• 40:35
  folks
• 40:35
  minds.
• 40:36
  There's
• 40:37
  a
• 40:37
  lot
• 40:37
  of
• 40:38
  interpretation
• 40:39
  or
• 40:40
  exploration
• 40:40
  that
• 40:41
  needs
• 40:41
  to
• 40:41
  go
• 40:41
  into
• 40:41
  figure
• 40:41
  out
• 40:42
  what,
• 40:42
  what's
• 40:43
  actually
• 40:44
  being
• 40:44
  seen.
• 40:45
  Right.
• 40:45
  And
• 40:45
  the,
• 40:46
  probably
• 40:46
  the
• 40:46
  most
• 40:46
  notable
• 40:47
  point
• 40:48
  is
• 40:49
  in
• 40:49
  the
• 40:50
  pre
• 40:50
  cog
• 40:50
  vision
• 40:51
  of
• 40:51
  the
• 40:51
  murder
• 40:52
  that
• 40:52
  Tom
• 40:52
  Cruise's
• 40:53
  character
• 40:53
  is
• 40:54
  going
• 40:54
  to
• 40:54
  commit,
• 40:55
  there
• 40:55
  appears
• 40:55
  to
• 40:55
  be
• 40:55
  a
• 40:56
  third
• 40:56
  man
• 40:57
  in.
• 40:58
  In
• 40:58
  the
• 40:58
  room
• 40:58
  in
• 40:58
  the
• 40:59
  vision
• 41:00
  and
• 41:00
  probably
• 41:01
  an
• 41:01
  intentional
• 41:02
  nod
• 41:02
  to
• 41:02
  the
• 41:02
  film
• 41:03
  by
• 41:03
  that
• 41:03
  name
• 41:03
  as
• 41:04
  well.
• 41:04
  And.
• 41:06
  But
• 41:06
  it
• 41:06
  eventually
• 41:07
  comes
• 41:08
  out
• 41:08
  that
• 41:08
  that's
• 41:08
  actually
• 41:09
  a
• 41:09
  billboard
• 41:10
  of
• 41:10
  a
• 41:10
  man
• 41:11
  across
• 41:11
  the
• 41:11
  street
• 41:12
  or
• 41:12
  across
• 41:12
  the
• 41:12
  way
• 41:13
  from
• 41:13
  the
• 41:13
  building.
• 41:13
  And
• 41:14
  just
• 41:14
  the
• 41:15
  trick
• 41:15
  of
• 41:15
  scale
• 41:16
  and
• 41:16
  forced
• 41:16
  perspective
• 41:17
  makes
• 41:17
  it
• 41:17
  look
• 41:17
  like
• 41:17
  he's
• 41:18
  the
• 41:18
  right
• 41:18
  size
• 41:18
  to
• 41:18
  be
• 41:19
  a
• 41:19
  person
• 41:19
  in
• 41:19
  the
• 41:19
  room,
• 41:19
  but
• 41:19
  it's
• 41:19
  actually
• 41:20
  a
• 41:21
  many
• 41:21
  feet
• 41:21
  tall
• 41:23
  billboard
• 41:24
  across
• 41:24
  the
• 41:24
  street.
• 41:25
  So
• 41:25
  yeah,
• 41:25
  so
• 41:25
  we
• 41:26
  have
• 41:26
  these
• 41:26
  little
• 41:26
  visions,
• 41:27
  but
• 41:27
  they're
• 41:28
  not
• 41:28
  necessarily
• 41:29
  straightforward
• 41:29
  to
• 41:29
  understand,
• 41:30
  which
• 41:30
  kind
• 41:31
  of
• 41:31
  to
• 41:31
  me
• 41:32
  rhymes
• 41:32
  a
• 41:32
  little
• 41:32
  bit
• 41:32
  with
• 41:33
  certainly
• 41:33
  prophecy
• 41:34
  and
• 41:34
  other
• 41:35
  storytelling
• 41:36
  forms
• 41:37
  where,
• 41:38
  you
• 41:39
  know,
• 41:40
  the
• 41:40
  trick
• 41:40
  that
• 41:41
  the
• 41:42
  devil
• 41:42
  plays
• 41:42
  or
• 41:42
  the
• 41:42
  prophet
• 41:43
  plays
• 41:43
  or
• 41:43
  the
• 41:43
  oracle
• 41:44
  plays
• 41:44
  is
• 41:44
  that,
• 41:45
  you
• 41:45
  know,
• 41:45
  the
• 41:45
  thing
• 41:45
  will.
• 41:46
  The
• 41:46
  thing,
• 41:46
  the
• 41:46
  prophecy
• 41:47
  will
• 41:47
  come
• 41:47
  true,
• 41:47
  but
• 41:48
  you
• 41:48
  misunderstood
• 41:48
  it.
• 41:48
  And
• 41:49
  so
• 41:49
  there's
• 41:49
  some
• 41:49
  twist
• 41:50
  in
• 41:50
  the
• 41:50
  narrative
• 41:50
  that
• 41:50
  the
• 41:51
  hero
• 41:51
  or
• 41:52
  whomever
• 41:52
  doesn't
• 41:53
  quite.
• 41:54
  Doesn't
• 41:54
  quite
• 41:54
  get
• 41:54
  that.
• 41:55
  And
• 41:56
  maybe
• 41:56
  there's
• 41:56
  an
• 41:56
  element
• 41:57
  of,
• 41:58
  you
• 41:58
  know,
• 41:58
  interpret.
• 41:58
  This
• 41:59
  is
• 41:59
  obviously
• 41:59
  an
• 41:59
  element
• 41:59
  of
• 41:59
  interpretation
• 42:00
  to
• 42:00
  scriptural
• 42:01
  prophecy
• 42:01
  and
• 42:01
  so
• 42:01
  forth.
• 42:01
  So
• 42:02
  yeah,
• 42:02
  I
• 42:02
  just
• 42:02
  kind
• 42:02
  of
• 42:02
  wanted
• 42:03
  to
• 42:03
  put
• 42:03
  that
• 42:03
  on
• 42:03
  the
• 42:03
  table.
• 42:04
  I
• 42:04
  could
• 42:04
  have
• 42:04
  maybe
• 42:04
  formed
• 42:05
  that
• 42:05
  in
• 42:05
  the
• 42:05
  better
• 42:05
  as
• 42:05
  a
• 42:05
  question,
• 42:06
  but
• 42:06
  I'd
• 42:07
  love
• 42:07
  to
• 42:07
  hear
• 42:08
  folks
• 42:08
  takes
• 42:08
  on
• 42:09
  those
• 42:10
  issues.
• 42:10
  I'll
• 42:11
  start.
• 42:12
  Yeah,
• 42:12
  I
• 42:12
  think
• 42:13
  you
• 42:13
  raise
• 42:14
  something
• 42:15
  that's
• 42:15
  dis.
• 42:15
  Analogous
• 42:17
  to
• 42:18
  the
• 42:18
  theological
• 42:19
  question
• 42:19
  of
• 42:19
  God
• 42:20
  knowing
• 42:20
  the
• 42:20
  future
• 42:21
  and
• 42:22
  being
• 42:22
  able
• 42:22
  to
• 42:23
  provide
• 42:23
  a
• 42:23
  revelation
• 42:24
  of
• 42:24
  what
• 42:24
  that
• 42:24
  future
• 42:25
  is.
• 42:26
  Because
• 42:27
  as
• 42:27
  you
• 42:27
  rightly
• 42:27
  say,
• 42:28
  the
• 42:28
  revelation
• 42:29
  provided
• 42:30
  by
• 42:30
  the
• 42:30
  Precogs
• 42:31
  in
• 42:31
  the
• 42:31
  movie
• 42:32
  is
• 42:33
  ambiguous.
• 42:34
  Requires
• 42:35
  a
• 42:35
  great
• 42:35
  deal
• 42:36
  of
• 42:37
  interpretation
• 42:38
  from
• 42:38
  Tom
• 42:38
  Cruise
• 42:39
  and
• 42:39
  others.
• 42:41
  And
• 42:41
  while
• 42:41
  that
• 42:42
  may
• 42:42
  sound
• 42:43
  parallel
• 42:43
  to
• 42:44
  let's
• 42:44
  say,
• 42:45
  revelation,
• 42:45
  we
• 42:45
  find
• 42:46
  in
• 42:46
  scripture
• 42:46
  having
• 42:47
  multiple
• 42:47
  Interpretations
• 42:49
  or
• 42:49
  revelations
• 42:50
  that
• 42:50
  people
• 42:51
  allegedly
• 42:52
  have
• 42:52
  from
• 42:52
  mystical
• 42:53
  experiences,
• 42:54
  not
• 42:54
  necessarily
• 42:55
  aligning
• 42:55
  with
• 42:56
  the
• 42:56
  mystical
• 42:56
  experience
• 42:57
  of
• 42:57
  others.
• 42:58
  The
• 42:58
  big
• 42:58
  difference
• 42:59
  I
• 42:59
  see
• 43:00
  is
• 43:00
  that
• 43:01
  most
• 43:02
  theologians
• 43:02
  have
• 43:03
  thought
• 43:03
  that
• 43:03
  God
• 43:04
  is
• 43:04
  omnipotent,
• 43:05
  and
• 43:05
  God,
• 43:06
  unlike
• 43:06
  the
• 43:07
  Precogs,
• 43:08
  could
• 43:08
  guarantee
• 43:10
  at
• 43:10
  least
• 43:10
  an
• 43:10
  omnipotent
• 43:11
  God
• 43:11
  could
• 43:11
  guarantee
• 43:13
  that
• 43:13
  we
• 43:14
  have
• 43:15
  an
• 43:15
  unambiguous
• 43:16
  revelation,
• 43:17
  a
• 43:17
  crystal
• 43:17
  clear
• 43:18
  revelation.
• 43:19
  And
• 43:19
  of
• 43:19
  course,
• 43:19
  that's
• 43:20
  what
• 43:20
  some
• 43:20
  people
• 43:20
  think
• 43:20
  they
• 43:20
  get
• 43:21
  with
• 43:21
  Scripture,
• 43:21
  or.
• 43:22
  Or
• 43:22
  they
• 43:22
  think
• 43:22
  they
• 43:22
  get
• 43:23
  that
• 43:23
  from
• 43:23
  the
• 43:23
  church
• 43:24
  or
• 43:24
  they
• 43:24
  think
• 43:24
  they
• 43:24
  get
• 43:25
  that
• 43:25
  from
• 43:25
  their
• 43:26
  personal
• 43:27
  mystical
• 43:27
  experience.
• 43:28
  But
• 43:29
  I
• 43:29
  have
• 43:29
  lots
• 43:30
  of
• 43:30
  doubts
• 43:30
  that
• 43:30
  anyone
• 43:31
  gets
• 43:31
  any
• 43:32
  unambiguous
• 43:33
  revelation.
• 43:34
  So
• 43:35
  that's
• 43:36
  one
• 43:36
  of
• 43:36
  the
• 43:36
  differences.
• 43:37
  God
• 43:38
  of
• 43:39
  traditional
• 43:40
  theism
• 43:40
  is
• 43:41
  omnipotent
• 43:42
  and
• 43:42
  could
• 43:42
  make
• 43:42
  the
• 43:43
  revelations
• 43:43
  crystal
• 43:44
  clear.
• 43:45
  The
• 43:45
  Precogs
• 43:46
  and
• 43:46
  the
• 43:46
  minority
• 43:46
  part
• 43:47
  apparently
• 43:48
  don't
• 43:48
  have
• 43:48
  that
• 43:48
  ability.
• 44:40
  Yeah,
• 44:41
  part
• 44:42
  of
• 44:42
  it
• 44:42
  is
• 44:42
  just.
• 44:42
  It
• 44:43
  adds
• 44:43
  to
• 44:44
  really
• 44:44
  good
• 44:44
  storytelling
• 44:45
  here
• 44:45
  in
• 44:45
  the
• 44:45
  movie
• 44:45
  because,
• 44:46
  you
• 44:47
  know,
• 44:47
  I
• 44:47
  mean,
• 44:47
  they're.
• 44:48
  They're
• 44:49
  the
• 44:49
  multiple
• 44:49
  angles
• 44:50
  here
• 44:50
  because
• 44:50
  I
• 44:50
  also
• 44:51
  know
• 44:51
  it
• 44:51
  was
• 44:51
  funny
• 44:52
  too.
• 44:52
  I'm.
• 44:52
  This
• 44:52
  is
• 44:53
  kind
• 44:53
  of
• 44:53
  a
• 44:53
  side
• 44:53
  note,
• 44:53
  but
• 44:54
  I
• 44:54
  remember
• 44:55
  a
• 44:56
  screenwriting
• 44:57
  class
• 44:57
  in
• 44:57
  college
• 44:58
  where
• 44:58
  we
• 44:58
  actually
• 44:59
  looked
• 44:59
  at
• 44:59
  the
• 44:59
  pitch
• 45:00
  for
• 45:01
  this
• 45:01
  film
• 45:02
  and
• 45:02
  the
• 45:03
  professor
• 45:03
  actually
• 45:04
  criticized
• 45:04
  the
• 45:06
  climax.
• 45:06
  I
• 45:06
  was
• 45:06
  talking
• 45:06
  about
• 45:07
  earlier
• 45:07
  where
• 45:07
  it
• 45:08
  goes
• 45:08
  into
• 45:09
  how
• 45:10
  Max
• 45:10
  von
• 45:10
  Sadow's
• 45:11
  character
• 45:11
  was
• 45:12
  behind
• 45:12
  all
• 45:12
  this,
• 45:12
  the
• 45:13
  corruption.
• 45:13
  And
• 45:13
  it
• 45:14
  felt
• 45:14
  like,
• 45:14
  kind
• 45:14
  of
• 45:14
  like
• 45:14
  the
• 45:15
  story
• 45:15
  ends
• 45:16
  with,
• 45:16
  you
• 45:16
  know,
• 45:16
  when
• 45:17
  Tom
• 45:17
  Cruise's
• 45:17
  character
• 45:18
  decides
• 45:18
  to
• 45:19
  not
• 45:19
  kill
• 45:19
  the
• 45:19
  man
• 45:20
  before
• 45:21
  he
• 45:21
  knows
• 45:21
  that
• 45:22
  he
• 45:22
  was
• 45:23
  a
• 45:23
  fake
• 45:23
  and
• 45:23
  he
• 45:23
  wasn't
• 45:23
  the
• 45:24
  guy
• 45:24
  who
• 45:24
  kidnapped
• 45:25
  his
• 44:34
  son.
• 45:25
  But,
• 45:26
  you
• 45:26
  know,
• 45:27
  all
• 45:27
  of
• 45:27
  those
• 45:27
  elements
• 45:28
  really
• 45:28
  help
• 45:28
  enhance
• 45:29
  the
• 45:29
  film
• 45:30
  in
• 45:30
  terms
• 45:30
  of,
• 45:31
  know,
• 45:31
  providing,
• 45:31
  like,
• 45:32
  oh,
• 45:32
  the
• 45:32
  preconds
• 45:33
  vision
• 45:33
  is
• 45:34
  not
• 45:34
  fully,
• 45:35
  you
• 45:35
  know,
• 45:36
  accurate.
• 45:36
  And
• 45:37
  I
• 45:37
  do
• 45:38
  that.
• 45:38
  I
• 45:38
  mean,
• 45:39
  Tom,
• 45:39
  everything
• 45:40
  you're
• 45:40
  talking
• 45:40
  about
• 45:41
  here,
• 45:41
  I'm
• 45:42
  thinking
• 45:42
  just
• 45:42
  the
• 45:42
  fact
• 45:43
  of
• 45:43
  all
• 45:43
  of
• 45:44
  my
• 45:44
  theological
• 45:45
  upbringing
• 45:45
  and,
• 45:46
  you
• 45:46
  know,
• 45:46
  where
• 45:46
  I
• 45:46
  am
• 45:46
  now,
• 45:46
  how
• 45:47
  it's
• 45:47
  changed
• 45:47
  drastically.
• 45:48
  I
• 45:48
  grew
• 45:48
  up
• 45:48
  in
• 45:49
  a
• 45:49
  very
• 45:49
  fundamentalist
• 45:49
  church,
• 45:50
  and
• 45:50
  then
• 45:51
  my
• 45:51
  views
• 45:51
  have
• 45:51
  changed
• 45:52
  a
• 45:52
  lot
• 45:52
  over
• 45:52
  the
• 45:52
  years.
• 45:53
  And
• 45:53
  I
• 45:53
  did
• 45:53
  intervarsity
• 45:54
  in
• 45:54
  college
• 45:54
  and
• 45:54
  I'm
• 45:55
  now
• 45:55
  at
• 45:55
  a
• 45:55
  progressive
• 45:56
  at
• 45:56
  church
• 45:57
  now
• 45:57
  that
• 45:57
  I
• 45:57
  really
• 45:57
  love
• 45:58
  and
• 45:58
  I
• 45:58
  do
• 45:58
  this
• 45:58
  podcast.
• 45:59
  But
• 45:59
  I
• 45:59
  was.
• 46:00
  We
• 46:00
  were
• 46:00
  even
• 46:00
  doing.
• 46:01
  My
• 46:01
  church
• 46:01
  is
• 46:01
  doing.
• 46:02
  I
• 46:02
  just
• 46:02
  finished
• 46:03
  a
• 46:03
  series
• 46:03
  on
• 46:03
  Revelation.
• 46:04
  And
• 46:05
  I,
• 46:05
  you
• 46:05
  know,
• 46:05
  growing
• 46:06
  up,
• 46:06
  I
• 46:06
  was
• 46:06
  always
• 46:07
  taught
• 46:07
  to
• 46:07
  view
• 46:08
  it
• 46:08
  as
• 46:08
  very
• 46:09
  literal,
• 46:10
  when
• 46:10
  in
• 46:10
  fact,
• 46:11
  like
• 46:11
  for
• 46:12
  a
• 46:12
  lot,
• 46:12
  I
• 46:13
  think
• 46:13
  this
• 46:13
  is
• 46:13
  my
• 46:13
  view
• 46:14
  at
• 46:14
  least
• 46:14
  that
• 46:14
  a
• 46:14
  lot
• 46:14
  of
• 46:15
  the
• 46:16
  kind
• 46:16
  of
• 46:16
  prophets
• 46:16
  in
• 46:17
  scripture
• 46:17
  that
• 46:18
  have
• 46:18
  these
• 46:18
  visions,
• 46:19
  it's
• 46:20
  not
• 46:20
  fully,
• 46:21
  I
• 46:21
  would
• 46:21
  say
• 46:21
  linear
• 46:22
  and
• 46:22
  accurate.
• 46:22
  A
• 46:22
  lot
• 46:22
  of
• 46:23
  it
• 46:23
  is
• 46:24
  sort
• 46:24
  of
• 46:24
  metaphorical
• 46:25
  interpretations
• 46:26
  that
• 46:27
  they
• 46:27
  can
• 46:27
  still
• 46:27
  produce
• 46:28
  truth
• 46:28
  There,
• 46:29
  but
• 46:29
  it's
• 46:29
  not
• 46:30
  that,
• 46:30
  oh,
• 46:31
  all
• 46:31
  of
• 46:31
  these
• 46:31
  images
• 46:32
  are
• 46:32
  going
• 46:32
  to
• 46:32
  be
• 46:33
  things
• 46:33
  we
• 46:33
  actually
• 46:33
  see
• 46:34
  happen
• 46:35
  in
• 46:35
  a
• 46:35
  literal
• 46:36
  sense.
• 46:36
  And
• 46:36
  I
• 46:36
  think
• 46:37
  there's
• 46:37
  a
• 46:37
  connection
• 46:38
  here
• 46:38
  to
• 46:38
  this
• 46:38
  movie
• 46:38
  in
• 46:39
  that
• 46:39
  sense.
• 46:39
  Like
• 46:39
  how
• 46:40
  so?
• 46:40
  I
• 46:40
  think
• 46:41
  pre
• 46:41
  thogs
• 46:41
  and
• 46:42
  prophets.
• 46:43
  Scripture
• 46:43
  could
• 46:43
  have
• 46:44
  a
• 46:44
  parallel
• 46:44
  there.
• 46:45
  Yeah,
• 46:46
  I
• 46:46
  like
• 46:46
  that.
• 46:46
  Yeah.
• 46:47
  I
• 46:48
  do
• 46:48
  think,
• 46:48
  however,
• 46:48
  the
• 46:49
  prophets
• 46:49
  in
• 46:49
  the
• 46:49
  Bible
• 46:49
  do
• 46:50
  still
• 46:50
  benefit
• 46:51
  from
• 46:51
  it
• 46:51
  already
• 46:52
  having
• 46:52
  happened
• 46:53
  in
• 46:53
  most
• 46:53
  cases
• 46:54
  and
• 46:54
  not
• 46:54
  being
• 46:55
  written
• 46:55
  about
• 46:55
  until
• 46:55
  after
• 46:55
  the
• 46:56
  fact.
• 46:57
  That's
• 46:57
  not
• 46:57
  really
• 46:57
  relevant.
• 46:58
  But
• 46:59
  it
• 46:59
  feels
• 46:59
  a
• 46:59
  little
• 46:59
  unfair
• 47:00
  to
• 47:00
  compare
• 47:00
  them
• 47:00
  to
• 47:00
  the
• 47:01
  pre
• 47:01
  cogs
• 47:01
  because.
• 47:02
  You
• 47:02
  know,
• 47:02
  I
• 47:03
  mean,
• 47:03
  I'm
• 47:03
  not
• 47:04
  saying
• 47:04
  exactly.
• 47:05
  I
• 47:05
  just
• 47:05
  wonder
• 47:06
  if,
• 47:06
  like,
• 47:06
  in
• 47:07
  that
• 47:07
  sense
• 47:07
  of
• 47:07
  like,
• 47:08
  particularly
• 47:08
  revelation,
• 47:09
  like
• 47:09
  with
• 47:09
  stuff
• 47:10
  that,
• 47:10
  you
• 47:10
  know,
• 47:11
  like
• 47:11
  you're
• 47:11
  looking
• 47:11
  at
• 47:12
  end
• 47:12
  times
• 47:12
  and
• 47:12
  apocalyptic
• 47:13
  visions,
• 47:13
  you
• 47:14
  know,
• 47:14
  how
• 47:14
  much
• 47:14
  of
• 47:14
  that
• 47:15
  is
• 47:16
  these
• 47:16
  literal
• 47:17
  images
• 47:18
  they
• 47:18
  saw,
• 47:18
  or
• 47:19
  is
• 47:19
  it,
• 47:19
  you
• 47:19
  know,
• 47:20
  are
• 47:20
  our
• 47:20
  minds
• 47:21
  not
• 47:21
  fully
• 47:22
  able
• 47:22
  to
• 47:22
  grasp
• 47:22
  that?
• 47:23
  So
• 47:23
  not
• 47:24
  saying
• 47:24
  they're
• 47:24
  exactly
• 47:25
  alike,
• 47:25
  but
• 47:25
  I
• 47:25
  just
• 47:25
  wonder
• 47:26
  if
• 47:26
  there
• 47:26
  is
• 47:26
  a
• 47:26
  kind
• 47:27
  of
• 47:27
  connect,
• 47:28
  you
• 47:28
  know,
• 47:29
  connected
• 47:30
  in
• 47:30
  that
• 47:30
  sense.
• 47:31
  Can
• 47:31
  I
• 47:31
  ask
• 47:32
  a
• 47:32
  point
• 47:32
  of
• 47:33
  clarification
• 47:33
  to
• 47:34
  TJ
• 47:34
  on
• 47:34
  this?
• 47:36
  When
• 47:36
  you
• 47:36
  said
• 47:36
  that
• 47:37
  the
• 47:37
  biblical
• 47:37
  prophets
• 47:38
  were
• 47:38
  talking
• 47:39
  about
• 47:39
  something
• 47:39
  that's
• 47:40
  already
• 47:40
  happened,
• 47:41
  did
• 47:41
  you
• 47:41
  mean
• 47:42
  that
• 47:42
  it's
• 47:42
  already
• 47:43
  happened
• 47:43
  in
• 47:44
  God's
• 47:44
  time?
• 47:44
  Like
• 47:45
  maybe
• 47:45
  in
• 47:45
  the
• 47:45
  future,
• 47:46
  but
• 47:46
  it's
• 47:46
  already
• 47:46
  happened
• 47:47
  for
• 47:47
  God's
• 47:48
  perspective,
• 47:49
  or
• 47:49
  did
• 47:49
  you
• 47:49
  mean
• 47:50
  it
• 47:50
  happened
• 47:50
  in
• 47:51
  the
• 47:51
  past
• 47:51
  and
• 47:51
  people
• 47:52
  are
• 47:52
  writing
• 47:52
  as
• 47:53
  if
• 47:53
  it's
• 47:53
  in
• 47:53
  the
• 47:53
  future,
• 47:54
  but
• 47:54
  they're
• 47:55
  actually
• 47:55
  looking
• 47:56
  at
• 47:56
  things
• 47:56
  historically
• 47:57
  rather
• 47:57
  than
• 47:57
  from
• 47:58
  the
• 47:58
  author's
• 47:59
  perspective.
• 47:59
  So
• 48:00
  the
• 48:00
  author
• 48:00
  is
• 48:01
  saying,
• 48:01
  you
• 48:02
  know.
• 48:02
  This
• 48:02
  is
• 48:03
  going
• 48:03
  to
• 48:03
  happen,
• 48:04
  but
• 48:05
  they.
• 48:05
  Already
• 48:05
  knew
• 48:06
  it
• 48:06
  happened.
• 48:07
  Is
• 48:07
  that
• 48:07
  what
• 48:07
  you're
• 48:07
  saying?
• 48:08
  Yeah.
• 48:08
  Gotcha.
• 48:09
  Okay.
• 48:09
  Yeah.
• 48:10
  Because
• 48:10
  I
• 48:10
  could
• 48:10
  see
• 48:10
  the
• 48:11
  other
• 48:11
  side
• 48:11
  of
• 48:11
  that.
• 48:11
  I
• 48:12
  could
• 48:12
  see
• 48:12
  someone
• 48:13
  who
• 48:13
  has
• 48:14
  your
• 48:14
  view
• 48:15
  that
• 48:15
  somehow
• 48:16
  God
• 48:16
  knows
• 48:17
  the
• 48:17
  future
• 48:17
  and
• 48:18
  the
• 48:18
  future
• 48:18
  is
• 48:19
  settled.
• 48:20
  Someone
• 48:20
  could
• 48:21
  say,
• 48:21
  okay,
• 48:22
  the
• 48:22
  prophets
• 48:23
  of
• 48:23
  Scripture
• 48:24
  are
• 48:24
  given
• 48:25
  a
• 48:25
  revelation
• 48:26
  from
• 48:26
  God
• 48:26
  about
• 48:27
  events
• 48:27
  that
• 48:27
  are
• 48:28
  already,
• 48:28
  have
• 48:29
  already,
• 48:29
  quote,
• 48:29
  happened
• 48:30
  in
• 48:30
  God's
• 48:31
  time,
• 48:31
  but
• 48:32
  not
• 48:32
  yet
• 48:32
  in
• 48:32
  our
• 48:33
  time.
• 48:33
  But
• 48:34
  God
• 48:34
  gives
• 48:35
  them
• 48:35
  that
• 48:35
  knowledge.
• 48:36
  And
• 48:36
  I
• 48:36
  reject
• 48:37
  that
• 48:37
  view.
• 48:37
  But
• 48:37
  that
• 48:38
  would
• 48:38
  be
• 48:38
  plausible
• 48:39
  on
• 48:39
  your
• 48:39
  view?
• 48:41
  Yeah.
• 48:41
  Which
• 48:42
  I
• 48:42
  think
• 48:42
  is
• 48:42
  how
• 48:43
  prophecy
• 48:43
  would
• 48:43
  work
• 48:44
  with
• 48:44
  that
• 48:44
  view.
• 48:45
  Okay.
• 48:45
  That's
• 48:46
  just
• 48:46
  kind
• 48:46
  of.
• 48:46
  Yeah,
• 48:47
  he
• 48:47
  already
• 48:47
  knows
• 48:47
  it
• 48:47
  happened,
• 48:48
  so
• 48:48
  that's
• 48:48
  how
• 48:48
  he
• 48:48
  was
• 48:48
  able
• 48:48
  to
• 48:48
  tell
• 48:49
  you
• 48:49
  about
• 48:49
  it.
• 48:49
  I
• 48:50
  think
• 48:50
  it'd
• 48:50
  be
• 48:50
  interesting
• 48:51
  to
• 48:51
  discuss
• 48:51
  a
• 48:52
  stance
• 48:52
  wherein
• 48:52
  God
• 48:52
  is
• 48:53
  simply
• 48:53
  at
• 48:53
  the
• 48:53
  end
• 48:54
  of
• 48:54
  time
• 48:55
  and
• 48:55
  able
• 48:55
  to
• 48:55
  come
• 48:56
  back
• 48:56
  to
• 48:57
  voice
• 48:57
  his
• 48:57
  thoughts
• 48:58
  and,
• 48:58
  you
• 48:58
  know,
• 48:58
  give
• 48:59
  his
• 48:59
  qualms.
• 49:00
  And
• 49:01
  maybe
• 49:01
  more
• 49:02
  plausibly
• 49:02
  that
• 49:02
  way
• 49:03
  you
• 49:03
  could
• 49:03
  believe
• 49:03
  in
• 49:04
  free
• 49:04
  will.
• 49:05
  Maybe
• 49:05
  not.
• 49:06
  One
• 49:06
  of
• 49:07
  the
• 49:07
  common
• 49:08
  critic
• 49:08
  objections
• 49:09
  to
• 49:09
  my
• 49:10
  view
• 49:10
  Says
• 49:11
  something
• 49:11
  like
• 49:11
  this,
• 49:12
  yes,
• 49:13
  God
• 49:13
  knows
• 49:14
  the
• 49:14
  future,
• 49:15
  but
• 49:16
  God's
• 49:16
  knowing
• 49:17
  the
• 49:17
  future
• 49:18
  doesn't
• 49:18
  force
• 49:19
  me
• 49:19
  to
• 49:19
  make
• 49:20
  one
• 49:20
  decision
• 49:20
  or
• 49:21
  another.
• 49:21
  Knowledge
• 49:22
  doesn't
• 49:23
  force.
• 49:24
  That's
• 49:24
  a
• 49:25
  very
• 49:25
  common
• 49:26
  response,
• 49:26
  and
• 49:26
  that's.
• 49:27
  They're
• 49:27
  responding
• 49:28
  to
• 49:28
  a
• 49:28
  view
• 49:28
  that's
• 49:28
  not
• 49:29
  mine,
• 49:29
  but
• 49:29
  they
• 49:29
  interpret
• 49:30
  me
• 49:30
  as
• 49:30
  saying
• 49:30
  that.
• 49:32
  But
• 49:32
  what
• 49:32
  I
• 49:33
  am
• 49:33
  saying
• 49:33
  is
• 49:33
  that
• 49:34
  it
• 49:34
  is
• 49:34
  not
• 49:34
  that
• 49:34
  God's
• 49:35
  alleged
• 49:35
  knowledge
• 49:36
  of
• 49:36
  the
• 49:36
  future
• 49:37
  somehow
• 49:38
  forces
• 49:38
  us
• 49:38
  to
• 49:39
  do
• 49:39
  one
• 49:39
  thing
• 49:40
  or
• 49:40
  another,
• 49:40
  and
• 49:40
  we
• 49:40
  are
• 49:40
  not
• 49:41
  free.
• 49:41
  I
• 49:42
  am
• 49:42
  saying
• 49:42
  God
• 49:43
  could
• 49:43
  only
• 49:44
  be
• 49:45
  absolutely
• 49:45
  certain
• 49:46
  about
• 49:46
  the
• 49:46
  future
• 49:47
  if
• 49:48
  the
• 49:48
  future
• 49:48
  were
• 49:49
  settled,
• 49:49
  fixed,
• 49:50
  determined.
• 49:51
  And
• 49:51
  if
• 49:52
  this
• 49:52
  future's
• 49:53
  settled,
• 49:54
  fixed
• 49:54
  and
• 49:54
  determined,
• 49:55
  that's
• 49:55
  incompatible
• 49:56
  with
• 49:56
  us
• 49:57
  choosing
• 49:57
  amongst
• 49:58
  live
• 49:58
  options.
• 49:59
  There's
• 49:59
  a
• 49:59
  subtle
• 50:00
  distinction
• 50:00
  there,
• 50:00
  but
• 50:00
  I
• 50:01
  think
• 50:01
  it's
• 50:01
  a
• 50:01
  pretty
• 50:01
  important.
• 50:02
  It
• 50:02
  is.
• 50:02
  It
• 50:02
  makes
• 50:03
  a
• 50:03
  huge
• 50:03
  difference.
• 50:04
  But
• 50:04
  I
• 50:05
  think
• 50:05
  this
• 50:05
  also.
• 50:06
  Actually,
• 50:07
  I
• 50:07
  want
• 50:08
  to
• 50:08
  call
• 50:08
  back
• 50:09
  to
• 50:09
  something
• 50:09
  I
• 50:09
  said
• 50:09
  at
• 50:10
  the
• 50:10
  very
• 50:10
  beginning.
• 50:11
  This.
• 50:11
  This
• 50:12
  notion
• 50:12
  of
• 50:12
  seeing
• 50:13
  the
• 50:13
  future,
• 50:14
  I
• 50:14
  think
• 50:14
  is
• 50:15
  crucial.
• 50:16
  It's
• 50:16
  crucial
• 50:16
  for
• 50:16
  the
• 50:17
  Minority
• 50:17
  Report,
• 50:17
  and
• 50:18
  it's
• 50:18
  crucial
• 50:18
  for
• 50:19
  many
• 50:19
  theologians
• 50:20
  who
• 50:20
  think
• 50:21
  that
• 50:21
  God
• 50:21
  knows
• 50:21
  the
• 50:22
  future.
• 50:22
  And
• 50:23
  I
• 50:23
  love
• 50:23
  the
• 50:23
  fact
• 50:23
  that,
• 50:24
  you
• 50:25
  know,
• 50:25
  the
• 50:25
  COVID
• 50:25
  of
• 50:26
  the
• 50:26
  movie
• 50:26
  that
• 50:26
  you
• 50:27
  had
• 50:27
  up
• 50:27
  there
• 50:27
  one
• 50:28
  time
• 50:28
  shows
• 50:29
  the,
• 50:29
  you
• 50:29
  know,
• 50:29
  Tom
• 50:30
  Cruise
• 50:30
  figure
• 50:31
  with
• 50:31
  the
• 50:31
  bandage
• 50:32
  over
• 50:32
  his
• 50:32
  eyes.
• 50:33
  And
• 50:33
  part
• 50:34
  of
• 50:34
  this,
• 50:34
  part
• 50:34
  of
• 50:35
  the
• 50:35
  thing
• 50:35
  is
• 50:35
  his
• 50:36
  eyes
• 50:37
  are
• 50:37
  taken
• 50:37
  out,
• 50:37
  so
• 50:37
  he's
• 50:38
  not
• 50:38
  recognized.
• 50:39
  If
• 50:39
  I
• 50:39
  was
• 50:39
  writing
• 50:40
  the
• 50:40
  movie,
• 50:40
  I
• 50:40
  would
• 50:41
  have
• 50:41
  done
• 50:41
  some
• 50:41
  stuff
• 50:41
  with
• 50:42
  that
• 50:42
  in
• 50:42
  terms
• 50:42
  of
• 50:43
  foreknowledge
• 50:44
  and
• 50:44
  seeing
• 50:44
  things.
• 50:45
  Like,
• 50:45
  you
• 50:45
  know,
• 50:46
  if.
• 50:46
  If.
• 50:46
  Like,
• 50:47
  for
• 50:47
  instance,
• 50:48
  maybe
• 50:48
  having
• 50:49
  Agatha's
• 50:49
  eyes.
• 50:50
  Agatha,
• 50:51
  that's
• 50:51
  the
• 50:51
  one.
• 50:51
  That's
• 50:52
  the
• 50:52
  precognition.
• 50:53
  Yeah,
• 50:53
  yeah,
• 50:53
  yeah.
• 50:54
  What
• 50:54
  if.
• 50:54
  What
• 50:54
  if
• 50:54
  we
• 50:55
  took
• 50:55
  out
• 50:55
  her
• 50:55
  eyes
• 50:55
  and
• 50:56
  saw,
• 50:56
  Decided,
• 50:57
  you
• 50:57
  know,
• 50:58
  that
• 50:58
  made
• 50:58
  a
• 50:58
  difference.
• 50:58
  Does
• 50:59
  she
• 50:59
  actually
• 50:59
  need
• 51:00
  physical
• 51:00
  eyes
• 51:01
  to
• 51:01
  see
• 51:01
  things?
• 51:02
  Anyway,
• 51:04
  interesting
• 51:04
  musings.
• 51:05
  Definitely
• 51:05
  something
• 51:05
  I
• 51:06
  thought
• 51:06
  about.
• 51:06
  It's
• 51:06
  like,
• 51:06
  man,
• 51:06
  what
• 51:07
  if
• 51:07
  he
• 51:07
  had.
• 51:07
  What
• 51:07
  if
• 51:07
  you
• 51:07
  got
• 51:07
  a
• 51:07
  precog's
• 51:08
  eyes?
• 51:09
  Yeah.
• 51:09
  What
• 51:09
  would
• 51:09
  happen?
• 51:11
  Part
• 51:12
  of
• 51:12
  my
• 51:12
  criticism
• 51:13
  of
• 51:13
  the
• 51:13
  classical
• 51:14
  view
• 51:14
  that
• 51:14
  God
• 51:15
  sees
• 51:15
  the
• 51:15
  future
• 51:16
  is
• 51:17
  that
• 51:17
  it
• 51:18
  seems
• 51:18
  to
• 51:18
  suggest
• 51:19
  God
• 51:19
  has
• 51:20
  actual
• 51:20
  eyes.
• 51:21
  And
• 51:22
  I
• 51:23
  mean,
• 51:23
  unless
• 51:23
  you're
• 51:23
  a
• 51:23
  Mormon,
• 51:24
  you,
• 51:25
  Most
• 51:25
  theists
• 51:26
  don't
• 51:26
  think
• 51:26
  God
• 51:27
  has
• 51:27
  a
• 51:27
  body
• 51:28
  and
• 51:28
  therefore
• 51:29
  doesn't
• 51:29
  have
• 51:29
  actual
• 51:30
  eyes.
• 51:31
  So
• 51:31
  that
• 51:31
  creates
• 51:32
  some
• 51:32
  real
• 51:33
  problems.
• 51:34
  I
• 51:34
  happen
• 51:34
  to
• 51:34
  think
• 51:35
  God's
• 51:35
  knowledge
• 51:36
  doesn't
• 51:36
  come
• 51:36
  from
• 51:37
  divine
• 51:37
  seeing,
• 51:38
  but
• 51:39
  comes
• 51:39
  from
• 51:39
  God
• 51:39
  as
• 51:40
  a
• 51:40
  feeler,
• 51:41
  that
• 51:41
  God
• 51:41
  feels
• 51:42
  causally
• 51:43
  everything
• 51:43
  that
• 51:44
  happens
• 51:44
  in
• 51:44
  the
• 51:44
  present.
• 51:46
  And
• 51:46
  that
• 51:46
  I
• 51:46
  think,
• 51:47
  also.
• 51:49
  What's
• 51:49
  the
• 51:49
  right
• 51:49
  word,
• 51:50
  given
• 51:50
  my
• 51:51
  emphasis
• 51:51
  upon
• 51:52
  love
• 51:52
  and
• 51:52
  real
• 51:53
  relationality,
• 51:54
  that
• 51:54
  fits
• 51:54
  nicely
• 51:55
  with
• 51:55
  a
• 51:55
  feeling
• 51:56
  kind
• 51:56
  of
• 51:56
  God,
• 51:57
  because
• 51:57
  a
• 51:57
  God
• 51:57
  who
• 51:58
  feels
• 51:58
  is,
• 51:58
  you
• 51:59
  know,
• 51:59
  intimately
• 52:00
  Related
• 52:00
  and.
• 52:01
  And
• 52:01
  has
• 52:01
  real
• 52:01
  interactions
• 52:03
  where
• 52:03
  you
• 52:03
  can
• 52:04
  more
• 52:04
  easily
• 52:05
  imagine
• 52:05
  a
• 52:05
  God
• 52:05
  who
• 52:06
  sees
• 52:07
  sort
• 52:07
  of
• 52:07
  standing
• 52:08
  at
• 52:08
  a
• 52:08
  distance
• 52:08
  from
• 52:09
  history
• 52:09
  and
• 52:09
  seeing
• 52:10
  things
• 52:10
  happening.
• 52:11
  Yeah,
• 52:13
  I
• 52:13
  think
• 52:13
  maybe
• 52:14
  I
• 52:14
  said
• 52:14
  this
• 52:14
  on
• 52:14
  your
• 52:15
  show
• 52:15
  before,
• 52:15
  tj,
• 52:16
  but
• 52:16
  I
• 52:16
  think
• 52:16
  it
• 52:17
  bears
• 52:17
  repeating
• 52:17
  here.
• 52:19
  John
• 52:19
  Calvin
• 52:20
  thought
• 52:21
  of
• 52:21
  God
• 52:21
  as
• 52:21
  the
• 52:22
  God
• 52:22
  who
• 52:22
  sees
• 52:23
  all
• 52:23
  of
• 52:23
  history
• 52:24
  all
• 52:24
  at
• 52:24
  once.
• 52:25
  And
• 52:25
  to
• 52:26
  illustrate
• 52:27
  that
• 52:27
  for
• 52:28
  his
• 52:28
  readers,
• 52:29
  he
• 52:29
  said,
• 52:30
  imagine
• 52:30
  that
• 52:31
  God
• 52:31
  hikes
• 52:32
  or
• 52:33
  climbs
• 52:33
  to
• 52:34
  the
• 52:34
  top
• 52:34
  of
• 52:35
  a
• 52:35
  church
• 52:35
  bell
• 52:36
  tower
• 52:36
  in
• 52:36
  the
• 52:36
  middle
• 52:37
  of
• 52:37
  a
• 52:37
  town
• 52:38
  and
• 52:38
  from
• 52:38
  this
• 52:38
  height
• 52:39
  looks
• 52:40
  down
• 52:40
  at
• 52:41
  the
• 52:41
  street
• 52:41
  below
• 52:42
  and
• 52:43
  sees
• 52:43
  a
• 52:43
  parade
• 52:44
  going
• 52:44
  through
• 52:44
  the
• 52:44
  streets.
• 52:46
  Now,
• 52:46
  from
• 52:46
  this
• 52:47
  perspective,
• 52:47
  if
• 52:48
  he's
• 52:48
  high
• 52:48
  enough
• 52:48
  in
• 52:48
  the
• 52:49
  bell
• 52:49
  tower
• 52:49
  of
• 52:49
  the
• 52:49
  church,
• 52:50
  he
• 52:50
  could
• 52:51
  see
• 52:51
  the
• 52:52
  beginning
• 52:52
  of
• 52:52
  the
• 52:52
  parade
• 52:53
  and
• 52:53
  the
• 52:53
  end
• 52:54
  of
• 52:54
  the
• 52:54
  parade
• 52:54
  all
• 52:55
  in
• 52:55
  one
• 52:55
  glance.
• 52:56
  Calvin
• 52:56
  said,
• 52:57
  that's
• 52:57
  how
• 52:57
  God
• 52:58
  sees
• 52:58
  history.
• 52:59
  God
• 52:59
  sees
• 52:59
  it
• 52:59
  all
• 53:00
  in
• 53:00
  one
• 53:00
  glance.
• 53:01
  My
• 53:01
  view
• 53:02
  is
• 53:02
  that
• 53:03
  God
• 53:03
  is
• 53:03
  not
• 53:03
  in
• 53:03
  the
• 53:04
  bell
• 53:04
  tower.
• 53:05
  God's
• 53:05
  actually
• 53:05
  in
• 53:06
  the
• 53:06
  parade.
• 53:07
  And
• 53:07
  as
• 53:08
  one
• 53:08
  in
• 53:09
  the
• 53:09
  parade,
• 53:09
  God
• 53:10
  feels
• 53:10
  what's
• 53:10
  happening
• 53:11
  moment
• 53:11
  by
• 53:12
  moment
• 53:12
  in
• 53:12
  the
• 53:13
  action
• 53:13
  of
• 53:13
  history
• 53:14
  as
• 53:15
  opposed
• 53:15
  to
• 53:15
  standing
• 53:16
  outside
• 53:16
  of
• 53:16
  it
• 53:16
  and
• 53:17
  looking
• 53:17
  at
• 53:17
  it.
• 53:18
  Right.
• 53:18
  And
• 53:18
  I
• 53:19
  think
• 53:19
  that
• 53:19
  is
• 53:19
  the
• 53:20
  issue
• 53:20
  that
• 53:20
  comes
• 53:20
  about
• 53:21
  with,
• 53:21
  between
• 53:22
  you,
• 53:22
  your
• 53:22
  view
• 53:23
  and
• 53:23
  most
• 53:23
  people
• 53:24
  is
• 53:24
  that
• 53:24
  most
• 53:25
  people
• 53:25
  subconsciously
• 53:26
  think
• 53:26
  of
• 53:26
  God
• 53:27
  as
• 53:27
  being
• 53:27
  outside
• 53:27
  of
• 53:27
  time.
• 53:28
  Yep.
• 53:28
  Because
• 53:29
  it's
• 53:29
  just
• 53:29
  not
• 53:29
  something
• 53:30
  a
• 53:30
  lot
• 53:30
  of
• 53:30
  people
• 53:30
  think
• 53:30
  about.
• 53:31
  I
• 53:31
  think
• 53:31
  that's
• 53:32
  right.
• 53:32
  Which
• 53:32
  I
• 53:33
  agree.
• 53:33
  I
• 53:34
  personally
• 53:34
  think
• 53:34
  God
• 53:35
  sits
• 53:35
  outside
• 53:35
  of
• 53:36
  time.
• 53:36
  Yeah.
• 53:37
  Or
• 53:37
  maybe
• 53:37
  now
• 53:37
  I
• 53:37
  think
• 53:37
  he
• 53:38
  sits
• 53:38
  at
• 53:38
  the
• 53:38
  end
• 53:38
  of
• 53:38
  time.
• 53:39
  I
• 53:39
  kind
• 53:39
  of
• 53:39
  like
• 53:39
  that
• 53:39
  view.
• 53:41
  I
• 53:41
  might
• 53:41
  try
• 53:41
  to
• 53:41
  support
• 53:41
  that
• 53:42
  in
• 53:42
  the
• 53:42
  future.
• 53:42
  I
• 53:42
  don't
• 53:42
  know.
• 53:43
  Now
• 53:44
  that
• 53:44
  I've
• 53:44
  said
• 53:44
  it
• 53:44
  out
• 53:44
  loud.
• 53:45
  Sounds
• 53:46
  kind
• 53:46
  of
• 53:46
  cool.
• 53:46
  But
• 53:47
  that's
• 53:47
  for
• 53:47
  later
• 53:48
  thinking.
• 53:49
  The
• 53:49
  downside
• 53:50
  of
• 53:50
  that
• 53:50
  view
• 53:50
  is
• 53:51
  that
• 53:51
  most
• 53:51
  people
• 53:52
  want
• 53:52
  to
• 53:52
  say
• 53:52
  God
• 53:52
  was
• 53:53
  there
• 53:53
  at
• 53:53
  the
• 53:53
  beginning.
• 53:54
  And
• 53:54
  if
• 53:55
  you
• 53:55
  have
• 53:55
  God
• 53:55
  only
• 53:55
  at
• 53:56
  the
• 53:56
  end,
• 53:56
  then
• 53:57
  how
• 53:57
  do
• 53:57
  you
• 53:57
  think
• 53:57
  of
• 53:58
  God
• 53:58
  creating
• 53:58
  at
• 53:59
  the
• 53:59
  beginning?
• 54:00
  It's
• 54:00
  a
• 54:00
  lot
• 54:00
  easier
• 54:00
  to
• 54:00
  go
• 54:01
  backwards
• 54:01
  than
• 54:01
  forwards.
• 54:02
  Everyone
• 54:02
  knows
• 54:03
  that's
• 54:03
  why
• 54:03
  all
• 54:03
  the
• 54:03
  movies
• 54:03
  are
• 54:03
  about
• 54:04
  going
• 54:04
  to
• 54:04
  the
• 54:04
  past.
• 54:08
  I
• 54:08
  love
• 54:08
  it.
• 54:08
  Yeah.
• 54:09
  Hey,
• 54:09
  Andy.
• 54:10
  Can
• 54:10
  I
• 54:10
  say
• 54:10
  one
• 54:10
  of
• 54:10
  my
• 54:11
  favorite
• 54:11
  scenes
• 54:11
  is.
• 54:12
  Because
• 54:12
  I
• 54:12
  think
• 54:12
  kind
• 54:12
  of
• 54:12
  relates
• 54:13
  to
• 54:13
  this,
• 54:13
  but
• 54:13
  one
• 54:13
  of
• 54:14
  my.
• 54:14
  Well,
• 54:14
  two
• 54:14
  favorite
• 54:15
  scenes
• 54:15
  in
• 54:15
  this
• 54:15
  movie.
• 54:16
  One
• 54:17
  is
• 54:17
  just
• 54:17
  more
• 54:17
  of
• 54:17
  an
• 54:18
  action
• 54:18
  sequence
• 54:18
  that
• 54:19
  introduces
• 54:19
  some
• 54:19
  of
• 54:20
  the
• 54:20
  sci
• 54:20
  fi
• 54:20
  elements.
• 54:20
  And
• 54:20
  that's
• 54:21
  when
• 54:22
  John
• 54:23
  for
• 54:24
  is
• 54:24
  on
• 54:24
  the
• 54:24
  run
• 54:25
  after
• 54:26
  he's
• 54:26
  trying
• 54:26
  to
• 54:26
  clear
• 54:26
  his
• 54:26
  name
• 54:27
  and
• 54:27
  he
• 54:27
  gets
• 54:27
  chased
• 54:27
  by
• 54:28
  his
• 54:28
  fellow
• 54:28
  officers.
• 54:29
  And
• 54:30
  one
• 54:30
  of
• 54:30
  the
• 54:30
  devices
• 54:31
  they
• 54:31
  have
• 54:31
  is
• 54:32
  called
• 54:32
  a
• 54:32
  sick
• 54:32
  stick
• 54:33
  where
• 54:34
  they.
• 54:34
  They
• 54:35
  use
• 54:35
  to
• 54:36
  basically
• 54:37
  cause
• 54:37
  someone
• 54:38
  to
• 54:38
  immediately
• 54:38
  gag.
• 54:39
  I
• 54:39
  always
• 54:39
  like.
• 54:40
  I
• 54:40
  mean,
• 54:40
  especially
• 54:40
  when
• 54:41
  I
• 54:41
  saw
• 54:41
  this
• 54:41
  in
• 54:41
  middle
• 54:42
  high
• 54:42
  school.
• 54:42
  I
• 54:42
  Thought
• 54:43
  that
• 54:43
  was
• 54:43
  kind
• 54:43
  of
• 54:43
  hilarious.
• 54:43
  But
• 54:44
  also
• 54:44
  it
• 54:44
  was
• 54:44
  a,
• 54:45
  you
• 54:45
  know,
• 54:45
  really
• 54:45
  brilliant
• 54:45
  concept
• 54:46
  here.
• 54:46
  But
• 54:46
  that
• 54:46
  was
• 54:47
  one
• 54:47
  of
• 54:47
  my
• 54:47
  favorite.
• 54:47
  I
• 54:47
  love
• 54:48
  that
• 54:48
  action
• 54:48
  sequence.
• 54:48
  But
• 54:49
  one
• 54:49
  of
• 54:49
  my
• 54:49
  favorite
• 54:49
  more
• 54:50
  emotional
• 54:50
  sequences
• 54:51
  in
• 54:51
  the
• 54:51
  film
• 54:52
  that
• 54:52
  ties
• 54:52
  a
• 54:52
  lot
• 54:53
  into
• 54:53
  these
• 54:53
  ideas
• 54:54
  is
• 54:54
  toward
• 54:55
  the
• 54:55
  end
• 54:56
  when
• 54:56
  Agatha,
• 54:58
  after
• 54:58
  she's
• 54:58
  been
• 54:59
  rescued,
• 55:00
  she's
• 55:00
  sitting
• 55:01
  with
• 55:03
  John
• 55:03
  and
• 55:04
  his
• 55:04
  wife
• 55:04
  and
• 55:05
  she
• 55:05
  has
• 55:06
  this
• 55:06
  vision
• 55:06
  of,
• 55:07
  I
• 55:07
  think,
• 55:08
  what
• 55:08
  John's
• 55:09
  son
• 55:10
  could
• 55:10
  have
• 55:10
  been
• 55:11
  if
• 55:11
  he
• 55:11
  is
• 55:11
  right,
• 55:12
  like
• 55:12
  the
• 55:12
  life
• 55:12
  he
• 55:12
  could
• 55:13
  have
• 55:13
  had
• 55:13
  growing
• 55:14
  up.
• 55:14
  And
• 55:14
  if
• 55:15
  he
• 55:15
  had
• 55:15
  never.
• 55:16
  The
• 55:16
  incident
• 55:17
  when
• 55:17
  he
• 55:17
  went
• 55:18
  with
• 55:18
  missing
• 55:18
  never
• 55:18
  happened.
• 55:19
  If
• 55:19
  he
• 55:19
  grown
• 55:20
  up,
• 55:20
  gone,
• 55:21
  had
• 55:21
  a
• 55:21
  normal
• 55:22
  life,
• 55:22
  gone
• 55:22
  to
• 55:22
  college,
• 55:24
  gotten
• 55:24
  married,
• 55:25
  all
• 55:25
  these
• 55:25
  things.
• 55:26
  And
• 55:26
  it's
• 55:26
  this
• 55:26
  really
• 55:27
  beautiful
• 55:28
  vision
• 55:29
  she
• 55:29
  has.
• 55:29
  And
• 55:30
  I
• 55:30
  think
• 55:30
  that
• 55:31
  moment
• 55:31
  really
• 55:32
  brings
• 55:32
  some
• 55:32
  closure
• 55:33
  to
• 55:33
  Don
• 55:34
  and
• 55:34
  his
• 55:34
  wife
• 55:34
  because
• 55:35
  they've
• 55:35
  been
• 55:35
  trying
• 55:36
  to
• 55:36
  wrestle
• 55:36
  with
• 55:37
  and
• 55:37
  escape
• 55:37
  this
• 55:37
  tragedy
• 55:38
  for
• 55:38
  so
• 55:38
  long
• 55:39
  and
• 55:39
  now
• 55:40
  they're
• 55:40
  able
• 55:40
  to
• 55:41
  relinquish
• 55:42
  that
• 55:43
  pain
• 55:43
  and
• 55:43
  suffering.
• 55:44
  And,
• 55:45
  you
• 55:45
  know,
• 55:45
  and
• 55:45
  that
• 55:46
  was
• 55:46
  just
• 55:46
  a
• 55:46
  really
• 55:46
  beautiful
• 55:47
  moment
• 55:47
  of
• 55:47
  the
• 55:47
  film.
• 55:48
  And
• 55:48
  it
• 55:48
  is
• 55:49
  also
• 55:49
  raises
• 55:50
  another
• 55:50
  question
• 55:50
  because
• 55:51
  it
• 55:52
  shows
• 55:52
  us
• 55:52
  that
• 55:52
  a
• 55:52
  peacock
• 55:53
  can
• 55:53
  see
• 55:53
  futures
• 55:54
  that
• 55:54
  can't
• 55:54
  exist.
• 55:55
  Exactly.
• 55:56
  I
• 55:57
  think
• 55:57
  that
• 55:57
  would
• 55:57
  have
• 55:57
  been
• 55:57
  a
• 55:58
  perfect
• 55:58
  place
• 55:59
  to
• 55:59
  have
• 56:00
  their
• 56:00
  son
• 56:01
  be
• 56:01
  the
• 56:01
  next
• 56:01
  Adolf
• 56:02
  Hitler.
• 56:04
  Yeah.
• 56:06
  What
• 56:06
  makes
• 56:06
  a
• 56:06
  kid
• 56:07
  have
• 56:07
  this
• 56:07
  beautiful
• 56:08
  life?
• 56:08
  You
• 56:08
  know,
• 56:08
  why
• 56:09
  not
• 56:09
  have
• 56:09
  the
• 56:09
  kid
• 56:10
  crappy
• 56:11
  life
• 56:11
  and
• 56:11
  be
• 56:11
  a
• 56:12
  horrible
• 56:12
  person?
• 56:13
  Because
• 56:13
  then
• 56:14
  you
• 56:15
  could
• 56:15
  say,
• 56:15
  well,
• 56:16
  maybe
• 56:17
  that
• 56:17
  death
• 56:17
  was
• 56:17
  okay
• 56:18
  after
• 56:18
  all.
• 56:19
  Know,
• 56:19
  like
• 56:19
  some
• 56:20
  people
• 56:20
  say
• 56:20
  when
• 56:20
  they.
• 56:21
  They
• 56:21
  say,
• 56:22
  you
• 56:22
  know,
• 56:22
  well,
• 56:23
  she
• 56:23
  died
• 56:24
  too
• 56:24
  early.
• 56:24
  Well,
• 56:25
  God
• 56:25
  knew
• 56:25
  that
• 56:25
  she
• 56:25
  was
• 56:26
  going
• 56:26
  to
• 56:26
  be
• 56:26
  horrible
• 56:26
  in
• 56:27
  the
• 56:27
  future
• 56:27
  and
• 56:27
  that's
• 56:28
  why
• 56:28
  God
• 56:28
  took
• 56:28
  her.
• 56:29
  You
• 56:29
  know,
• 56:29
  that
• 56:29
  kind
• 56:29
  of
• 56:29
  an
• 56:30
  argument.
• 56:33
  Tom
• 56:33
  making
• 56:33
  this
• 56:34
  like
• 56:34
  an
• 56:34
  Ari
• 56:34
  Aster
• 56:35
  movie.
• 56:35
  Screw
• 56:35
  the
• 56:35
  Spielberg
• 56:36
  stuff.
• 56:36
  Right.
• 56:37
  Rewriting
• 56:38
  it
• 56:38
  as.
• 56:38
  Sorry.
• 56:38
  As.
• 56:42
  I
• 56:42
  do
• 56:42
  agree
• 56:43
  though,
• 56:43
  the
• 56:43
  action
• 56:43
  scenes,
• 56:44
  we
• 56:44
  didn't
• 56:44
  talk
• 56:44
  about
• 56:44
  them
• 56:44
  a
• 56:44
  lot,
• 56:44
  but
• 56:45
  they're.
• 56:45
  They're
• 56:45
  pretty,
• 56:46
  pretty
• 56:46
  entertaining.
• 56:47
  I
• 56:47
  feel
• 56:47
  like
• 56:47
  they
• 56:47
  focus
• 56:47
  a
• 56:48
  lot
• 56:48
  more
• 56:48
  on
• 56:49
  like
• 56:49
  the
• 56:49
  subtle
• 56:50
  humor
• 56:50
  in
• 56:51
  the
• 56:51
  action
• 56:51
  sequences.
• 56:52
  Like
• 56:52
  Tom
• 56:53
  Cruise
• 56:53
  jumps
• 56:53
  on
• 56:53
  a
• 56:53
  dude
• 56:53
  with
• 56:54
  a
• 56:54
  Jack
• 56:54
  jetpack.
• 56:55
  That's
• 56:55
  just
• 56:55
  funny.
• 56:55
  He's
• 56:56
  like.
• 56:56
  He's
• 56:56
  riding
• 56:56
  a
• 56:57
  dude
• 56:57
  on
• 56:57
  a
• 56:57
  jetpack.
• 56:58
  It's
• 56:59
  pretty
• 56:59
  hilarious.
• 57:00
  I
• 57:00
  still
• 57:00
  think
• 57:00
  this
• 57:01
  movie
• 57:01
  very
• 57:01
  much
• 57:01
  holds
• 57:02
  up
• 57:02
  visually
• 57:03
  because,
• 57:03
  like,
• 57:03
  we
• 57:04
  were
• 57:04
  talking
• 57:04
  earlier,
• 57:05
  this
• 57:05
  was
• 57:05
  the
• 57:05
  age
• 57:06
  of
• 57:06
  the
• 57:07
  digital
• 57:07
  revolution
• 57:08
  and
• 57:09
  many
• 57:09
  critics
• 57:10
  I
• 57:10
  brought,
• 57:10
  like,
• 57:10
  I
• 57:11
  actually.
• 57:11
  I
• 57:11
  went
• 57:11
  back
• 57:11
  and
• 57:12
  read
• 57:12
  Ebert's
• 57:12
  review
• 57:13
  of
• 57:13
  this
• 57:13
  movie
• 57:13
  earlier
• 57:14
  and.
• 57:14
  And
• 57:14
  he
• 57:14
  had
• 57:15
  mentioned
• 57:15
  in
• 57:15
  that
• 57:16
  that,
• 57:16
  you
• 57:16
  know,
• 57:16
  earlier
• 57:17
  I
• 57:17
  criticized
• 57:18
  movies
• 57:18
  like
• 57:19
  Attack
• 57:19
  of
• 57:20
  the
• 57:20
  Clones
• 57:20
  or
• 57:21
  the
• 57:21
  First
• 57:21
  Spider
• 57:21
  man
• 57:22
  for
• 57:22
  being
• 57:22
  too
• 57:22
  reliant
• 57:23
  on
• 57:23
  CG
• 57:24
  over
• 57:25
  story,
• 57:25
  which,
• 57:25
  like,
• 57:27
  to
• 57:27
  an
• 57:27
  extent,
• 57:27
  I
• 57:27
  could
• 57:28
  do
• 57:28
  that
• 57:28
  maybe
• 57:28
  a
• 57:28
  little
• 57:28
  More
• 57:29
  Attack
• 57:29
  of
• 57:29
  the
• 57:29
  Clones.
• 57:29
  But
• 57:30
  regardless,
• 57:31
  like
• 57:31
  this
• 57:31
  one,
• 57:32
  it
• 57:32
  utilizes
• 57:33
  effects
• 57:33
  well
• 57:33
  and.
• 57:34
  And
• 57:34
  they
• 57:34
  do
• 57:34
  still
• 57:35
  really
• 57:35
  hold
• 57:35
  up,
• 57:35
  you
• 57:36
  know,
• 57:36
  decades
• 57:37
  later.
• 57:38
  I
• 57:38
  think
• 57:38
  it's
• 57:38
  impressive.
• 57:39
  Yeah,
• 57:39
  yeah.
• 57:39
  For.
• 57:39
  For
• 57:40
  like
• 57:41
  a
• 57:41
  point
• 57:41
  of
• 57:41
  reference.
• 57:42
  The
• 57:42
  Scorpion
• 57:42
  King
• 57:43
  came
• 57:43
  out
• 57:43
  the
• 57:44
  same
• 57:44
  year.
• 57:44
  Right,
• 57:45
  right.
• 57:46
  So
• 57:46
  that
• 57:46
  was
• 57:46
  an.
• 57:48
  Oh,
• 57:48
  absolutely.
• 57:49
  You
• 57:49
  had
• 57:49
  plenty
• 57:49
  of
• 57:49
  filmmakers
• 57:50
  who,
• 57:51
  you
• 57:51
  know,
• 57:51
  felt
• 57:52
  obligation
• 57:52
  to
• 57:53
  utilize
• 57:53
  this
• 57:53
  technology,
• 57:54
  but
• 57:54
  really
• 57:54
  didn't
• 57:55
  know
• 57:55
  how
• 57:55
  to
• 57:56
  make
• 57:56
  it.
• 57:57
  And
• 57:57
  Spielberg
• 57:57
  has
• 57:58
  always
• 57:58
  been
• 57:58
  a
• 57:58
  filmmaker
• 57:59
  who,
• 58:00
  you
• 58:00
  know,
• 58:00
  adapts
• 58:01
  as
• 58:01
  the
• 58:02
  technologies
• 58:03
  in
• 58:03
  film
• 58:03
  changes,
• 58:03
  but
• 58:04
  he's
• 58:04
  always
• 58:04
  using
• 58:05
  them
• 58:05
  as
• 58:05
  tools
• 58:06
  to
• 58:06
  enhance
• 58:06
  the
• 58:06
  story,
• 58:07
  not
• 58:07
  to
• 58:07
  make
• 58:07
  them
• 58:08
  the
• 58:09
  sole
• 58:09
  focus.
• 58:10
  And
• 58:10
  I
• 58:11
  don't
• 58:11
  want
• 58:11
  to
• 58:11
  bully
• 58:11
  the
• 58:11
  Scorpion
• 58:12
  King
• 58:12
  anymore,
• 58:12
  but
• 58:14
  Pirates
• 58:14
  of
• 58:14
  the
• 58:14
  Caribbean,
• 58:15
  Dead
• 58:15
  Man's
• 58:16
  Chest
• 58:16
  came
• 58:16
  out
• 58:17
  two
• 58:17
  years
• 58:17
  after
• 58:17
  this.
• 58:18
  Three
• 58:18
  years.
• 58:18
  Yeah.
• 58:18
  After
• 58:18
  this.
• 58:19
  Yeah,
• 58:19
  yeah.
• 58:19
  Around
• 58:19
  there
• 58:20
  still
• 58:20
  holds
• 58:20
  up
• 58:21
  visually
• 58:21
  today
• 58:21
  and.
• 58:21
  Right.
• 58:22
  Yep.
• 58:23
  Way,
• 58:23
  way
• 58:23
  more
• 58:24
  CGI
• 58:24
  reliant.
• 58:25
  Let's
• 58:25
  see.
• 58:25
  Pirates.
• 58:26
  14
• 58:27
  years
• 58:27
  was.
• 58:28
  Yeah,
• 58:28
  exactly.
• 58:29
  Because
• 58:29
  the
• 58:29
  curse,
• 58:29
  black
• 58:30
  girl
• 58:30
  was
• 58:30
  03.
• 58:31
  Yeah,
• 58:31
  but.
• 58:32
  But
• 58:32
  absolutely.
• 58:33
  It
• 58:33
  is
• 58:33
  fascinating
• 58:34
  to
• 58:34
  see
• 58:34
  which
• 58:34
  ones
• 58:35
  still
• 58:35
  hold
• 58:36
  up
• 58:36
  today
• 58:36
  and
• 58:36
  which
• 58:37
  ones
• 58:37
  look
• 58:37
  awful.
• 58:38
  Yeah.
• 58:39
  Hey,
• 58:39
  guys,
• 58:39
  I'm
• 58:39
  getting
• 58:40
  a
• 58:40
  text
• 58:40
  from
• 58:40
  my
• 58:40
  wife
• 58:41
  saying
• 58:41
  it's
• 58:41
  time
• 58:41
  for
• 58:42
  me
• 58:42
  to
• 58:42
  come
• 58:42
  to
• 58:42
  dinner.
• 58:44
  All
• 58:44
  right.
• 58:44
  Well,
• 58:44
  I
• 58:45
  was
• 58:45
  looking
• 58:45
  for
• 58:46
  a
• 58:46
  good
• 58:46
  place
• 58:46
  to
• 58:46
  bring
• 58:47
  this
• 58:47
  to
• 58:47
  a
• 58:47
  close,
• 58:47
  and
• 58:48
  that
• 58:48
  seems
• 58:48
  like
• 58:49
  the
• 58:49
  spot
• 58:49
  to
• 58:49
  do
• 58:49
  it.
• 58:51
  We
• 58:51
  can
• 58:51
  blame
• 58:51
  my
• 58:51
  wife.
• 58:52
  We
• 58:53
  will
• 58:53
  thank
• 58:53
  your
• 58:53
  wife
• 58:53
  for
• 58:54
  providing
• 58:54
  us
• 58:55
  with
• 58:55
  that
• 58:55
  opportunity
• 58:56
  to
• 58:56
  bless
• 58:57
  everyone
• 58:57
  with.
• 58:58
  With
• 58:58
  some
• 58:58
  more
• 58:58
  time
• 58:59
  to
• 58:59
  do
• 59:00
  as
• 59:00
  their
• 59:01
  free
• 59:01
  will
• 59:01
  leads
• 59:01
  them.
• 59:04
  And
• 59:04
  God's
• 59:04
  not
• 59:05
  sure
• 59:05
  what
• 59:05
  they're
• 59:05
  going
• 59:05
  to
• 59:05
  do.
• 59:08
  All
• 59:08
  right,
• 59:09
  so
• 59:10
  I
• 59:11
  will
• 59:11
  remind
• 59:12
  folks
• 59:12
  that
• 59:13
  we're
• 59:13
  going
• 59:13
  to
• 59:13
  have
• 59:13
  a
• 59:14
  bonus
• 59:14
  question
• 59:14
  if
• 59:14
  Tom
• 59:14
  needs
• 59:15
  to
• 59:15
  go,
• 59:15
  then
• 59:15
  Kevin
• 59:16
  and
• 59:16
  TJ
• 59:16
  and
• 59:16
  I
• 59:16
  will
• 59:16
  tackle
• 59:16
  that
• 59:17
  for
• 59:17
  a
• 59:17
  couple
• 59:17
  minutes
• 59:17
  after
• 59:17
  this
• 59:18
  main
• 59:18
  recording
• 59:19
  is
• 59:19
  done.
• 59:20
  We're
• 59:20
  going
• 59:21
  to
• 59:21
  be
• 59:21
  talking
• 59:21
  about.
• 59:21
  And
• 59:22
  TJ
• 59:22
  has
• 59:22
  already
• 59:22
  kind
• 59:22
  of
• 59:23
  spoiled
• 59:23
  a
• 59:23
  little
• 59:23
  bit
• 59:23
  of
• 59:24
  his
• 59:24
  thoughts,
• 59:25
  but
• 59:25
  we'll
• 59:25
  talk
• 59:25
  about
• 59:25
  the
• 59:26
  technology
• 59:26
  that
• 59:27
  the
• 59:27
  movie
• 59:27
  predicts
• 59:28
  and
• 59:28
  what
• 59:28
  it
• 59:28
  seems
• 59:29
  to
• 59:29
  be
• 59:29
  getting
• 59:29
  right
• 59:29
  and
• 59:29
  wrong.
• 59:31
  Does
• 59:31
  anybody
• 59:32
  real
• 59:32
  quickly
• 59:33
  have
• 59:33
  a
• 59:33
  recommendation
• 59:34
  of
• 59:35
  something
• 59:35
  that
• 59:36
  they
• 59:36
  would
• 59:36
  like
• 59:36
  to
• 59:36
  share
• 59:36
  with
• 59:37
  our
• 59:37
  listeners?
• 59:38
  Book,
• 59:38
  movie,
• 59:39
  anything?
• 59:39
  Tom,
• 59:40
  if
• 59:40
  there's
• 59:40
  something
• 59:40
  you
• 59:40
  want
• 59:40
  to
• 59:41
  plug,
• 59:41
  something
• 59:41
  you've
• 59:41
  written
• 59:41
  or
• 59:42
  something
• 59:42
  you
• 59:42
  have
• 59:42
  coming
• 59:42
  up
• 59:42
  that
• 59:43
  you'd
• 59:43
  like
• 59:43
  to
• 59:44
  encourage
• 59:44
  people
• 59:44
  to
• 59:44
  check
• 59:45
  out,
• 59:45
  this
• 59:45
  is
• 59:46
  a
• 59:46
  good
• 59:46
  spot
• 59:46
  to
• 59:46
  do
• 59:46
  it.
• 59:46
  Well,
• 59:47
  maybe
• 59:47
  I'll
• 59:47
  just
• 59:47
  mention
• 59:48
  something
• 59:48
  I've
• 59:49
  already
• 59:49
  mentioned,
• 59:49
  which
• 59:50
  is
• 59:50
  the
• 59:50
  substack
• 59:51
  that
• 59:51
  I
• 59:51
  have
• 59:51
  going
• 59:52
  on
• 59:52
  this
• 59:52
  systematic
• 59:53
  theology
• 59:53
  of
• 59:53
  love.
• 59:54
  If
• 59:54
  there's
• 59:54
  anybody
• 59:55
  interested
• 59:55
  in
• 59:55
  that,
• 59:56
  I'd
• 59:56
  love
• 59:56
  to
• 59:56
  have
• 59:56
  them
• 59:57
  make
• 59:57
  some
• 59:57
  comments
• 59:58
  and
• 59:58
  suggestions
• 59:59
  on
• 59:59
  how
• 59:59
  I
• 1:00:00
  might
• 1:00:00
  improve
• 1:00:00
  it.
• 1:00:00
  Excellent.
• 1:00:02
  I
• 1:00:02
  think
• 1:00:02
  Ex
• 1:00:02
  Machina
• 1:00:03
  is
• 1:00:03
  a
• 1:00:04
  great
• 1:00:04
  companion
• 1:00:04
  piece
• 1:00:05
  to
• 1:00:05
  this
• 1:00:05
  film.
• 1:00:06
  It
• 1:00:06
  also
• 1:00:06
  raises
• 1:00:07
  up
• 1:00:07
  a
• 1:00:07
  lot
• 1:00:07
  of
• 1:00:07
  really
• 1:00:07
  interesting
• 1:00:08
  ideas.
• 1:00:09
  Alex
• 1:00:09
  Garland.
• 1:00:10
  Yeah,
• 1:00:10
  that.
• 1:00:10
  I
• 1:00:11
  mean,
• 1:00:11
  I
• 1:00:11
  still
• 1:00:11
  think
• 1:00:11
  he's
• 1:00:12
  Alex
• 1:00:12
  Garland.
• 1:00:12
  Probably
• 1:00:13
  his
• 1:00:13
  best
• 1:00:13
  film.
• 1:00:14
  And
• 1:00:15
  that
• 1:00:16
  one
• 1:00:16
  just
• 1:00:16
  has
• 1:00:17
  a
• 1:00:17
  lot
• 1:00:17
  of
• 1:00:17
  really
• 1:00:18
  interesting
• 1:00:18
  ideas.
• 1:00:18
  It's
• 1:00:19
  great
• 1:00:19
  sci
• 1:00:19
  fi
• 1:00:19
  film
• 1:00:19
  as
• 1:00:19
  well.
• 1:00:20
  Not
• 1:00:20
  as
• 1:00:20
  much
• 1:00:21
  of
• 1:00:21
  an
• 1:00:21
  action
• 1:00:21
  film,
• 1:00:22
  but
• 1:00:23
  definitely
• 1:00:23
  check
• 1:00:23
  that
• 1:00:23
  one
• 1:00:24
  out.
• 1:00:24
  If
• 1:00:24
  you
• 1:00:24
  haven't
• 1:00:24
  seen
• 1:00:24
  it,
• 1:00:25
  I'm
• 1:00:25
  gonna.
• 1:00:26
  Have
• 1:00:26
  to
• 1:00:26
  recommend
• 1:00:27
  Absolution
• 1:00:28
  by
• 1:00:28
  Jeff
• 1:00:28
  Vandermeer.
• 1:00:30
  I
• 1:00:30
  just
• 1:00:30
  finished
• 1:00:30
  it
• 1:00:30
  the
• 1:00:31
  other
• 1:00:31
  day.
• 1:00:31
  It
• 1:00:31
  is
• 1:00:32
  the
• 1:00:32
  fourth
• 1:00:32
  book
• 1:00:32
  in
• 1:00:33
  the
• 1:00:33
  Southern
• 1:00:33
  Reach
• 1:00:33
  trilogy.
• 1:00:34
  Used
• 1:00:34
  to
• 1:00:35
  be,
• 1:00:36
  but
• 1:00:36
  it
• 1:00:37
  is,
• 1:00:37
  if
• 1:00:37
  you've
• 1:00:37
  seen
• 1:00:37
  the
• 1:00:37
  movie
• 1:00:38
  Annihilation,
• 1:00:39
  it
• 1:00:39
  is
• 1:00:39
  the
• 1:00:39
  fourth
• 1:00:39
  book
• 1:00:40
  in
• 1:00:40
  that
• 1:00:40
  series,
• 1:00:41
  which
• 1:00:41
  is.
• 1:00:41
  That's
• 1:00:42
  right.
• 1:00:42
  Okay,
• 1:00:43
  that's
• 1:00:44
  good
• 1:00:44
  because
• 1:00:44
  Alex
• 1:00:44
  Garland
• 1:00:45
  directed
• 1:00:45
  Annihilation
• 1:00:46
  as
• 1:00:46
  well.
• 1:00:46
  Yeah,
• 1:00:47
  yeah,
• 1:00:47
  he
• 1:00:47
  did
• 1:00:47
  a
• 1:00:48
  great
• 1:00:48
  job
• 1:00:48
  and
• 1:00:48
  it
• 1:00:48
  was
• 1:00:48
  really
• 1:00:48
  interesting
• 1:00:49
  because
• 1:00:49
  he
• 1:00:49
  directed
• 1:00:50
  it
• 1:00:50
  after
• 1:00:50
  he
• 1:00:50
  read
• 1:00:50
  the
• 1:00:51
  first
• 1:00:51
  book
• 1:00:51
  and
• 1:00:51
  then
• 1:00:51
  they
• 1:00:52
  were
• 1:00:52
  like,
• 1:00:52
  we
• 1:00:52
  should
• 1:00:52
  make
• 1:00:53
  a
• 1:00:53
  movie
• 1:00:53
  out
• 1:00:53
  of
• 1:00:53
  this.
• 1:00:54
  And
• 1:00:54
  the
• 1:00:54
  other
• 1:00:54
  two
• 1:00:54
  books
• 1:00:55
  came
• 1:00:55
  out
• 1:00:55
  later
• 1:00:56
  that
• 1:00:56
  year
• 1:00:56
  and
• 1:00:56
  they
• 1:00:56
  still
• 1:00:57
  just
• 1:00:57
  didn't
• 1:00:57
  want
• 1:00:57
  to
• 1:00:57
  wait.
• 1:00:58
  They
• 1:00:58
  started
• 1:00:58
  production
• 1:00:59
  pretty
• 1:01:00
  much
• 1:01:00
  immediately
• 1:01:00
  after
• 1:01:00
  he
• 1:01:01
  finished
• 1:01:01
  the
• 1:01:01
  first
• 1:01:01
  one.
• 1:01:02
  But
• 1:01:03
  definitely
• 1:01:03
  check
• 1:01:03
  it
• 1:01:03
  out.
• 1:01:04
  I
• 1:01:04
  think
• 1:01:04
  it's
• 1:01:04
  a
• 1:01:04
  really
• 1:01:04
  good
• 1:01:05
  rap
• 1:01:05
  to
• 1:01:05
  the
• 1:01:05
  story
• 1:01:05
  and
• 1:01:06
  it
• 1:01:06
  answers
• 1:01:06
  a
• 1:01:06
  lot
• 1:01:06
  of
• 1:01:06
  questions
• 1:01:07
  and
• 1:01:08
  it
• 1:01:08
  introduces
• 1:01:08
  just
• 1:01:09
  enough
• 1:01:09
  questions
• 1:01:10
  to
• 1:01:10
  be
• 1:01:11
  a
• 1:01:11
  great
• 1:01:11
  read.
• 1:01:11
  And
• 1:01:12
  it's
• 1:01:12
  still
• 1:01:12
  short
• 1:01:12
  like
• 1:01:13
  the
• 1:01:13
  others.
• 1:01:13
  Check
• 1:01:14
  out
• 1:01:14
  Absolution
• 1:01:14
  by
• 1:01:15
  Jeff
• 1:01:15
  Vandermeer
• 1:01:16
  and.
• 1:01:16
  I'll
• 1:01:16
  throw
• 1:01:17
  out
• 1:01:17
  there
• 1:01:17
  Fantastic
• 1:01:18
  Four
• 1:01:18
  33
• 1:01:19
  from
• 1:01:20
  the
• 1:01:20
  Ryan
• 1:01:21
  North
• 1:01:21
  Run
• 1:01:22
  on
• 1:01:22
  Fantastic
• 1:01:22
  Four
• 1:01:23
  has
• 1:01:24
  a
• 1:01:24
  fun
• 1:01:25
  and
• 1:01:25
  heartstring
• 1:01:26
  tugging
• 1:01:27
  time
• 1:01:27
  loop
• 1:01:28
  story
• 1:01:28
  that
• 1:01:28
  I
• 1:01:28
  think
• 1:01:29
  fits
• 1:01:30
  a
• 1:01:30
  little
• 1:01:30
  bit
• 1:01:30
  in
• 1:01:30
  with
• 1:01:30
  the
• 1:01:31
  themes
• 1:01:31
  of
• 1:01:31
  Minority
• 1:01:32
  Report.
• 1:01:33
  So
• 1:01:33
  you
• 1:01:33
  can
• 1:01:34
  check
• 1:01:34
  that
• 1:01:34
  out.
• 1:01:36
  Apologies
• 1:01:36
  that
• 1:01:36
  we
• 1:01:37
  ran
• 1:01:37
  a
• 1:01:37
  little
• 1:01:37
  bit
• 1:01:37
  long
• 1:01:38
  such
• 1:01:38
  that
• 1:01:38
  Tom
• 1:01:38
  had
• 1:01:38
  to
• 1:01:38
  go,
• 1:01:39
  but
• 1:01:39
  we
• 1:01:39
  thank
• 1:01:39
  him
• 1:01:40
  for
• 1:01:40
  having
• 1:01:41
  been
• 1:01:41
  here
• 1:01:42
  and
• 1:01:43
  yeah,
• 1:01:43
  definitely
• 1:01:43
  check
• 1:01:43
  out
• 1:01:44
  his
• 1:01:44
  substack.
• 1:01:45
  That's
• 1:01:45
  probably
• 1:01:45
  worthwhile
• 1:01:47
  beyond
• 1:01:49
  my
• 1:01:49
  silly
• 1:01:50
  comic
• 1:01:50
  book
• 1:01:50
  recommendations.
• 1:01:51
  There's
• 1:01:52
  a
• 1:01:52
  lot
• 1:01:52
  to
• 1:01:52
  read
• 1:01:52
  there.
• 1:01:53
  Yes,
• 1:01:54
  I'll
• 1:01:55
  say
• 1:01:55
  again,
• 1:01:55
  please
• 1:01:56
  remember
• 1:01:56
  to
• 1:01:58
  like
• 1:01:58
  subscribe,
• 1:01:58
  rate,
• 1:01:59
  review
• 1:01:59
  all
• 1:01:59
  the
• 1:01:59
  good
• 1:01:59
  things
• 1:02:00
  you
• 1:02:00
  can
• 1:02:00
  do
• 1:02:00
  on
• 1:02:00
  all
• 1:02:00
  the
• 1:02:01
  places.
• 1:02:02
  We
• 1:02:03
  really
• 1:02:03
  appreciate
• 1:02:03
  that.
• 1:02:03
  It
• 1:02:04
  helps
• 1:02:04
  everybody
• 1:02:04
  out
• 1:02:05
  a
• 1:02:05
  lot.
• 1:02:06
  Thank
• 1:02:07
  you
• 1:02:07
  to
• 1:02:07
  the
• 1:02:07
  appropriate
• 1:02:08
  named
• 1:02:08
  Jonathan
• 1:02:09
  Augustine
• 1:02:09
  for
• 1:02:09
  his
• 1:02:09
  financial
• 1:02:10
  support
• 1:02:10
  and
• 1:02:11
  you
• 1:02:11
  too
• 1:02:11
  can
• 1:02:11
  get
• 1:02:12
  your
• 1:02:12
  own
• 1:02:12
  shout
• 1:02:12
  out
• 1:02:12
  by
• 1:02:12
  supporting
• 1:02:13
  us
• 1:02:13
  for
• 1:02:13
  $5
• 1:02:13
  a
• 1:02:13
  month
• 1:02:14
  on
• 1:02:14
  that
• 1:02:14
  new
• 1:02:14
  fourth
• 1:02:14
  wall
• 1:02:14
  site
• 1:02:15
  where
• 1:02:15
  you
• 1:02:15
  can
• 1:02:15
  also
• 1:02:15
  get
• 1:02:15
  the
• 1:02:16
  bonus
• 1:02:16
  content,
• 1:02:17
  buy
• 1:02:17
  merch,
• 1:02:18
  leave
• 1:02:18
  one
• 1:02:19
  time
• 1:02:19
  or
• 1:02:19
  continuing
• 1:02:20
  a
• 1:02:20
  financial
• 1:02:20
  gift
• 1:02:21
  as
• 1:02:21
  well.
• 1:02:22
  And
• 1:02:23
  yeah,
• 1:02:23
  so
• 1:02:24
  tj,
• 1:02:24
  Kevin,
• 1:02:24
  thank
• 1:02:25
  you
• 1:02:25
  also
• 1:02:25
  for
• 1:02:25
  being
• 1:02:25
  here,
• 1:02:25
  being
• 1:02:26
  part
• 1:02:26
  of
• 1:02:26
  a
• 1:02:26
  fun
• 1:02:26
  and
• 1:02:27
  wide
• 1:02:27
  ranging
• 1:02:28
  conversation
• 1:02:29
  and
• 1:02:30
  we
• 1:02:30
  will
• 1:02:30
  now
• 1:02:31
  sign
• 1:02:31
  off
• 1:02:31
  and
• 1:02:32
  ask
• 1:02:32
  you
• 1:02:32
  to
• 1:02:32
  remember
• 1:02:33
  that.
• 1:02:33
  And
• 1:02:33
  if
• 1:02:34
  you're
• 1:02:34
  going
• 1:02:34
  to
• 1:02:34
  geek.
• 1:02:34
  Please
• 1:02:35
  do
• 1:02:35
  it
• 1:02:35
  systematically.
• 1:02:36
  Thanks.