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23-year-old beauty disappears leaving arcade · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: How does a twenty three year old woman go into
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Speaker 1: a bar and then seemingly vanish off the face of
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Speaker 1: the earth. What happened to Marisela? Crime Stories with Nancy
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Speaker 1: Grace Take a listen to our friend Karin Borta at
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Speaker 1: CBS eleven. Dallas Police are looking for a missing woman
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Speaker 1: last scene three weeks ago. Twenty three year old Marty
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Speaker 1: Cellaboteo arrived in Dallas from Seattle on Sunday, October fourth
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Speaker 1: to visit her ex boyfriend. She was last seen at
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Speaker 1: one am Monday, October fifth, leaving a bar in Deep
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Speaker 1: Elum wearing a purple dress. If you've seen her or
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Speaker 1: have any information about this case, you're asked to contact
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Speaker 1: Dallas Police. This young girl still missing. Absolutely stunning. Twenty
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Speaker 1: three year old Maricella Battello caught on video at the
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Speaker 1: bar wearing a purple dress and seemingly after that she
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Speaker 1: just vanishes into thin air. With me an all star
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Speaker 1: panel to break it down and put it back together
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Speaker 1: again in the hopes that we can find Maracella. The
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Speaker 1: tipline is two on four six seven one four two
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Speaker 1: six to eight repeat two one four six seven one
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Speaker 1: four two six eight with me judge, trial lawyer anchor
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Speaker 1: at Court TV. You can find her at Ashley Willcot
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Speaker 1: dot com. Doctor Joffe Ellis, psychologist, adjunct professor at Columbia University.
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Speaker 1: She is at Debbie Joffe Ellis dot com. Former police
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Speaker 1: chief John's Creek joining me twenty five years on the
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Speaker 1: fours now at PI. Poligrapher Chris Buyers at Chris Buyers
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Speaker 1: Investigations and polygraph dot com. Professor Forensics, Jacksonville State University.
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Speaker 1: Author of Blood Beneath My Feet on Amazon Now, the
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Speaker 1: star of hit series on the True Crime Network, Poisonous
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Speaker 1: Liaison's Joseph Scott Morgan. But first to Crime online dot
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Speaker 1: Com investigative reporter Dave mac Dave MC, this twenty three
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Speaker 1: year old woman from Seattle flies to go see her
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Speaker 1: ex ex boyfriend in Dallas, and from what we know,
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Speaker 1: they didn't have any kind of an argument, nothing went wrong.
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Speaker 1: Why does she go out to the bar that night
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Speaker 1: by herself? Nancy? It was her last night in town
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Speaker 1: and she just wanted to go out and go downtown.
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Speaker 1: Her ex boyfriend just didn't want to We wanted to
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Speaker 1: stay in. That's why she went by herself. And you know,
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Speaker 1: very often, as she willcott, judge and trial lawyer, a
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Speaker 1: court TV anchor, you look at the one most closest
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Speaker 1: to the victim. That would be the husband, the boyfriend,
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Speaker 1: the lover, the ex lover. But here it seems to
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Speaker 1: me like they have established the boyfriend that she went
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Speaker 1: to go visit, did not go out with her that night.
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Speaker 1: I think they have absolutely established that she ordered a lift,
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Speaker 1: she was alone when she got in the lift and
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Speaker 1: went to the nightclub and Deep Bellum. I've been to
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Speaker 1: Deep Bellum. I go there still if I go to Dallas.
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Speaker 1: It's a really fun area, seemingly safe, upbeat. But I
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Speaker 1: need to suggest this. It's a little odd to me that,
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Speaker 1: even if it's an ex boyfriend, that they're going to
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Speaker 1: send off a twenty three year old female in a
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Speaker 1: lift to go clubbing by themselves without saying maybe that's
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Speaker 1: not a great idea, you know, as she Wilcott, I
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Speaker 1: see women out parting by themselves all the time. And
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Speaker 1: if he didn't want to go, says I worked all day,
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Speaker 1: I don't want to go, you go ahead. I mean
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Speaker 1: there could be a million explanations of why he didn't
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Speaker 1: want to go. Yes, was it a bad decision, obviously
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Speaker 1: a bad decision. But my point, Ash is that are
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Speaker 1: we ruling him out right now? It seems like we are.
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Speaker 1: Take a listen to Alex Roser w FAA on a
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Speaker 1: Sunday in Dallas. Deep Bellum is one of the city's
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Speaker 1: most popular spots. That's what I've been doing down here
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Speaker 1: in the past few days. But it's a place Patrick
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Speaker 1: Helmbrech never planned to visit as she was in here
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Speaker 1: and I've been missing since before. He's looking for his
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Speaker 1: friend Marie Sella Bouteil. She missed her schedule fight back
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Speaker 1: to Seattle on the fifth as well. Visiting from Seattle
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Speaker 1: after a weekend with her ex boyfriend, she went drinking
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Speaker 1: alone on Monday, October fifth, just after midnight. A lift
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Speaker 1: dropped her on Elm Street and surveillance video showed her
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Speaker 1: leaving Select Start, but she hasn't been seen since from there.
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Speaker 1: She just never came back. And that's around the same time.
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Speaker 1: Also that we seem the last cell phone activity last time.
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Speaker 1: Her demo card was ever Hure you are hearing the
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Speaker 1: voice of friend Maricela's It's Patrick Hellenbrick. He's the one
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Speaker 1: out putting up posters have you seen this woman with
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Speaker 1: the tip line two one four eight two one four
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Speaker 1: six seven one four two six eight. Where they went,
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Speaker 1: Joe Scott Morgan, I want to talk to you about forensics.
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Speaker 1: Where she went was an arcade. She was in an
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Speaker 1: arcade and that was as you know, at Elm Street.
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Speaker 1: The lift dropped her off there. So we can't blame
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Speaker 1: the lift driver. We can't look to the driver because
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Speaker 1: she was last seen getting out and then leaving the arcade.
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Speaker 1: What can we find out about the arcade, Joe Scott Morgan?
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Speaker 1: What potential forensics can we get from there? Well? I
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Speaker 1: think that if there is CCTV that is available, we
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Speaker 1: might be able to if the video is sufficiently enhanced,
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Speaker 1: be able to see what her movements were like tained
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Speaker 1: in there, and that's sometimes that's a big if it's
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Speaker 1: a hit or miss many times with CCTV. Also, individuals
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Speaker 1: that she may have contacted along the way, individuals whose
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Speaker 1: space she was in. Did she have any kind of
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Speaker 1: conversations with these individuals within this arcade? And I don't
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Speaker 1: really understand what the structure of the arcade is. Let's say,
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Speaker 1: for instance, in typical fashion, if you think about an
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Speaker 1: old fashioned arcade where they've got games like ski ball
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Speaker 1: and all those sorts of things. Maybe a trace of
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Speaker 1: her was left behind if she actually contacted the surfaces
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Speaker 1: in there, and that could in fact prove that she
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Speaker 1: was in that environment. You know you're talking about closed
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Speaker 1: circuit TV, and you're absolutely right. Guys. Do you recall
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Speaker 1: the case of Kelsey Smith And we have worked with
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Speaker 1: her dad many many times. Kelsey was a young teen
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Speaker 1: girl who goes shopping and closed circuit TV shows something
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Speaker 1: very interesting and I'm pretty sure it was at a target.
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Speaker 1: In every graph where she went around the store, she
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Speaker 1: was talking to her mom on the cell phone basically
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Speaker 1: the whole time until she left the store. At different
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Speaker 1: spots in the CCTV, you see a guy, the same
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Speaker 1: guy no matter where she goes. She's in the men's department,
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Speaker 1: she's buying a gift for her then boyfriend six month anniversary.
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Speaker 1: If she's in the sock department there, he is looking
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Speaker 1: at socks. If she goes to the popcorn makers there
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Speaker 1: he is looking at a waffle iron. Everywhere she goes,
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Speaker 1: he's somehow he's not really looking at her, but he's
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Speaker 1: in every frame where she is. I mean, doctor Debbie
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Speaker 1: Joffe Ellis you run into hundreds of people, you pass
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Speaker 1: them all the time on the street, in the grocery store.
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Speaker 1: But for someone to be popping up in every frame
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Speaker 1: the closed circuit TV is a huge red flag. It
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Speaker 1: certainly is. It's indicative of stalking to former police shaved
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Speaker 1: John's Creek, Chris Buyers, what do you make of her
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Speaker 1: being in an arcade? My point is what evidence can
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Speaker 1: I get from the arcade? Well, again, just really what
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Speaker 1: Joe said. You know, you're looking for that CCTV. You're
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Speaker 1: looking for different things. She touched um, you know touch
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Speaker 1: DNA is it's something that can be used. You're you're
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Speaker 1: looking for the interactions. What you wanted to see on
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Speaker 1: those videos? Or did she have words with somebody? Did
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Speaker 1: she have any type of confrontation? Just like you said,
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Speaker 1: is there's somebody that seemed to be marking her within
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Speaker 1: the arcade that might have followed her out and you
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Speaker 1: had something to do with her disappearance. Time stories with
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Speaker 1: Nancy Grace. Guys, we're talking about a bar in arcade
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Speaker 1: for this twenty three year old girl was last seen alive.
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Speaker 1: Let me understand this, Dave Mac, is it the Select
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Speaker 1: Start Arcade there in Texas. Is that the name of it? Yes, man,
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Speaker 1: it's called Select Start, Select Start. What do we know
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Speaker 1: about it? We know that it is an arcade slash bar.
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Speaker 1: It's a place where people go in and they can
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Speaker 1: play video games, some of the old school video games
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Speaker 1: that we had back in the day. But also it's
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Speaker 1: an adult beverage place and people go there and they
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Speaker 1: hang out, play games and socialize. I've been looking at
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Speaker 1: it and trying to find out what I can. Here's
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Speaker 1: what people say. I love it. I want to have
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Speaker 1: my birthday party here. Thanks to the bartender. We all
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Speaker 1: had a great time to services, great atmosphere, you're great
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Speaker 1: for a birthday party, awesome games, amazing staff. And many
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Speaker 1: people compare it to Dave and Busters. Are you guys
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Speaker 1: familiar with that. It's an arcade where I guess you
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Speaker 1: can drink and get bar food like wings. You're shaking
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Speaker 1: your head, yes, right, So that's what many people can
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Speaker 1: compare it too. And you know what's interesting to you,
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Speaker 1: Joe Scott Morgan, When you think of Dave and Busters,
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Speaker 1: you don't think of anything nefarious. I mean, I've taken
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Speaker 1: my children to Dave and Busters, yeah, yeah, you don't.
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Speaker 1: But the thing about it is is that you don't
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Speaker 1: know who is inhabiting those spaces with you. If you
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Speaker 1: want to sugar sent up your spot, particularly if you
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Speaker 1: have an environment where people's gay, people's guards down. Nancy,
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Speaker 1: you're playing games, you're distracted. I've been to David Busters.
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Speaker 1: They've got TVs everywhere. You can watch all kinds of games.
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Speaker 1: So if somebody is looking as a predator to target somebody,
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Speaker 1: it's a perfect hunting ground because you're completely taken unawares.
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Speaker 1: You've got her leaving as well, or did she take
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Speaker 1: a listen to our friends at w FAA Dallas. She
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Speaker 1: just never came back. And that's around the same time
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Speaker 1: also that we seem the last cell phone activity, last
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Speaker 1: time her demit carter was ever used. Are Sala's aunt
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Speaker 1: to Nestley Castillo said, Dallas police haven't started investigating. They're
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Speaker 1: desperate to find her niece. Well, she's not a new traveler,
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Speaker 1: which is why this is also odd to us that
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Speaker 1: this happened to her because she's always in contact, she's
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Speaker 1: always in concept of the family, at least one of
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Speaker 1: us letting us know what she's doing. So for us
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Speaker 1: to not know anything. She got off the face of
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Speaker 1: the earth, and it's completely you know, it's worrisome. We
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Speaker 1: know that something's wrong. After learning of his friend's disappearance.
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Speaker 1: She's just a good person. Helmbrecht made the two thousand
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Speaker 1: mile drive from Seattle. Just kind of been piecing together
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Speaker 1: like a bunch of videos, just going from bar to
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Speaker 1: bar and kind of just putting it together myself. He's
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Speaker 1: hoping posters and publicity helped bring Marie Sella home. We
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Speaker 1: just want some answers, at the very least, what's going
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Speaker 1: on where she's at. I'm thinking about what the aunt
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Speaker 1: said to judge and trial lawyer Court Tov anchor at
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Speaker 1: Ashley Wilcot dot com. Ashley Hugh and I have discussed
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Speaker 1: this on other occasions as it relates to proving a
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Speaker 1: case now for a lot of people. The fact that
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Speaker 1: the aunt says this isn't like her. She's always in
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Speaker 1: touch with family. I know something's wrong. We saw that
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Speaker 1: with Vanessa again and the fort Hood debacle where her
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Speaker 1: sister Marcel tells me that she excuse me. Her sister
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Speaker 1: Myra tells me that she knew that night, her and
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Speaker 1: her mom they knew something was wrong because they couldn't
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Speaker 1: get Vanessa on the phone and that was unlike her,
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Speaker 1: and as hours passed they knew something was wrong. I mean,
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Speaker 1: I'll drop everything if I can pick up if I
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Speaker 1: see a family member calling me. So it's called routine evidence,
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Speaker 1: and I don't mean it's ordinary. Routine evidence is very
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Speaker 1: valuable at trial. Ashley explain, sure, absolutely so. The routine evidence,
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Speaker 1: So the things that people do as a matter of
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Speaker 1: course in their every day that they can be relied
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Speaker 1: on to do, that's typical. So it's presenting evidence when
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Speaker 1: something out of the ordinary happens. And when a person
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Speaker 1: who's accustomed to reaching out to family on a super
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Speaker 1: regular basis stops doing it, that's what that is out
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Speaker 1: of the ordinary, and that's significant in terms of proving
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Speaker 1: something has happened, something is amiss. This is not what
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Speaker 1: she typically does in her everyday life. You know, there
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Speaker 1: is a program that my son loves. It is called
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Speaker 1: Brooklyn ninety nine and it's kind of a comedy about
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Speaker 1: the ninety ninth Precinct. In book Brooklyn the Cops and
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Speaker 1: they've got a very let me just say, buttoned up
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Speaker 1: commander and in an episode, John Dave was watching the
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Speaker 1: commander Captain Holt walks in wearing a red Derby hat.
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Speaker 1: I mean, he always has his shirt buttoned up to here.
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Speaker 1: He's very formal, and everybody actually stops what they're doing
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Speaker 1: and they watch him walk in. That may mean nothing
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Speaker 1: to investigators or anybody else, but that is not his routine.
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Speaker 1: That would be alike of Jackie here walked in one
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Speaker 1: morning and she had on a black sequined mermaid evening gown. No,
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Speaker 1: something would be horribly wrong. So, you know, when we're
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Speaker 1: talking about routine evidence, it's very significant. What else do
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Speaker 1: we know? We know that she's out of town to
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Speaker 1: doctor Debbie Joffe Ellis Psychologists joining US Columbia University at
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Speaker 1: Debbie Jaffeelis dot com. When you're out of town that
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Speaker 1: changes your routine? Does it not? Well? It often does.
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Speaker 1: It's her chance to enjoy greater freedom or doing things
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Speaker 1: you don't do normally. Do you know? Answer at Nancy.
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Speaker 1: While listening, I'm wondering whether anyone has asked any of
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Speaker 1: her family or close friends what was her mood like
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Speaker 1: before she traveled? Was she in a pretty stable state
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Speaker 1: of mind? Was she somewhat depressed? Why did she visit
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Speaker 1: her ex boyfriend? Was she nostalgic lonely? So I wonder
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Speaker 1: if that's been looked into, and might that lead investigators
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Speaker 1: to in addition to seeing if there any suspects and
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Speaker 1: how play consider whether she wandered off and was not
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Speaker 1: in a good space. Let's follow through what you're saying,
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Speaker 1: doctor Dabby to it's largical conclusion. Are you trying to say,
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Speaker 1: did she commit suicide? I mean, just come out with it.
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Speaker 1: Is that what you're saying? No, it's not what I'm saying.
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Speaker 1: What are you saying? I'm just suggesting another area to consider.
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Speaker 1: I don't have some notion this is what happened. But
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Speaker 1: you're saying what was her state of mind? Was she sad?
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Speaker 1: Does she wander off in a bad frame of mind?
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Speaker 1: So what's the largical conclusion to that question? What are
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Speaker 1: you asking? I'm sorry, I look at everything as it
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Speaker 1: is evidence. Okay, So what is that helping me prove
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Speaker 1: or disprove? Because I think you're on to something? Well,
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Speaker 1: what are you trying to tell me? So, in addition
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Speaker 1: to looking for suspects, it might be worthwhile to see
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Speaker 1: whether she acted in an irresponsible or reckless way. I
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Speaker 1: don't say that as a criticism of her, but sometimes
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Speaker 1: when people are depressed, they may or may not be suicidal,
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Speaker 1: but may not be mindful in what they do. So
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Speaker 1: you brought up suicidal Okay you did, Yes, I did so,
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Speaker 1: not mindful of what they do? Yeah, okay, let's try
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Speaker 1: to decipher what she is saying. Oh, Nancy, this is Ashley.
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Speaker 1: Can I jump in really quickly? Jump? I have to say,
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Speaker 1: do you remember the Runaway Bride and Jorge? Oh dear,
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Speaker 1: how can I ever forget Bart? Exactly? So, to me,
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Speaker 1: that's a good example of what the doctor was just saying.
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Speaker 1: Is that exactly she disappeared and everyone's like, oh my gosh,
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Speaker 1: something's happened to her. Well, guess what. She just chose
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Speaker 1: to run away exactly. So, Doctor Debbie Joffe ellis, under
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Speaker 1: an intense grilling by myself, has come up with two
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Speaker 1: theories that I can identify. One is what she depressed
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Speaker 1: a suicidal and the other did she intend to do
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Speaker 1: as I like to say, oh, walk about and just
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Speaker 1: lead just drop off the grid. It's possible. Take a
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Speaker 1: listen now to our friend Rebecca Oipez. It's one of
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Speaker 1: the most popular entertainment districts in Dallas. On the night
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Speaker 1: of October fourth, Mighty Sella Botello came here to deep
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Speaker 1: Ellam to hang out, and that's the last anyone has
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Speaker 1: seen of her. Her mom, as Nestina Valadez, says, every
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Speaker 1: day that passes is very difficult. Mighty Sella's family says
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Speaker 1: she flew to Dallas from Seattle to visit her ex boyfriend,
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Speaker 1: but she went to deep Ellam alone, taking a lift ride.
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Speaker 1: If she went to visit him, why did he let
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Speaker 1: her go alone that night? That's the number one question
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Speaker 1: I have. Police say her ex boyfriend is not a suspect.
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Speaker 1: Her family released a video they got from a bar
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Speaker 1: on Elm Street. They say surveillance cameras outside captured Mighty
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Speaker 1: Sella with an unknown man. Dallas police have not verified
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Speaker 1: the tape, but her family says it's her and the
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Speaker 1: man is the key to helping find her. Who is
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Speaker 1: this guy? Time Stories with Nancy Grace. Where is twenty
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Speaker 1: three year old Maricela Btello. She's absolutely stunning, long, beautiful,
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Speaker 1: dark hair, beautiful complexion. She looks like a model. The
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Speaker 1: family putting pressure on the ex boyfriend, Why did you
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Speaker 1: let her go out by herself. She's a grown woman.
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Speaker 1: She can go out if she wants. To explain Dave
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Speaker 1: Matt what happened, Nanthy, I understand that, you know saying, well,
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Speaker 1: she's a grown woman, can do what she wants. This
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Speaker 1: is a young woman who likes to travel. She traveled
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Speaker 1: to see her ex boyfriend, and when he didn't want
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Speaker 1: to go out, obviously, this is a woman that's got
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Speaker 1: her own mind. She got her own game plan here
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Speaker 1: and she said, I'm going out, he said I don't
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Speaker 1: want to. She goes anyway. This is a woman who
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Speaker 1: pops on a plane to go see an ex boyfriend
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Speaker 1: for the weekend. So probably not out of character for
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Speaker 1: her to just go do some being by herself. You know,
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Speaker 1: we're acting like she has to have a chaperone, but
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Speaker 1: reality check, this is twenty twenty. You don't need a
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Speaker 1: chaperone to go out to an arcade or throw back
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Speaker 1: a drink on your own. I get it. I have
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Speaker 1: preached to the choir a million times using cases chief
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Speaker 1: buyers like Natalie Holloway, who I personally think had been
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Speaker 1: given gsbu Gama hydroxy b rate and excuse me, I
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Speaker 1: don't think she realized the critical nature of leaving a
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Speaker 1: bar out of town with the guy she didn't know,
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Speaker 1: and ended up dead at the hands of yourn Vanderslute.
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Speaker 1: In this case, we know it's bad to leave a
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Speaker 1: bar with somebody you don't know, but it happens every night,
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Speaker 1: night of the year, Chris, it does. And yeah, it's
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Speaker 1: it's definitely something extremely dangerous, especially when you're in a town,
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Speaker 1: when you're when you're out of townting and you don't
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Speaker 1: you know, aren't its familiar with your surroundings. Um, you know,
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Speaker 1: you're talking to the FBI statistics stay about twenty five
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Speaker 1: hundred people go missing in the United States every day
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Speaker 1: every day. You know, you multiply that a parent sixty
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Speaker 1: five and there's a lot of a lot of nefarious
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Speaker 1: things going on. So it is never wise to go
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Speaker 1: out alone. I always have preached to my kids, my
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Speaker 1: son when he went off to college, always have a buddy,
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Speaker 1: Always have somebody to go with. Never walk alone. You know. Also,
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Speaker 1: I'm curious why to you, Jess got Morgan, the family
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Speaker 1: is the one getting the surveillance video from the arcade.
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Speaker 1: Why is it them and not the police? I can
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Speaker 1: tell you precisely why it is. Uh, you know, you
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Speaker 1: have so many of these missing persons calls that come in,
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Speaker 1: and the police departments too, they're not quick to react,
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Speaker 1: particularly in a city the size of Dallas. You know,
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Speaker 1: you can only imagine how many of these calls come in.
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Speaker 1: And the classic line has been, well, they're an adult.
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Speaker 1: We've already stated that they can make free will decisions.
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Speaker 1: She's she's a grown woman. She can go off and
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Speaker 1: do whatever she wants. That doesn't necessarily make this a
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Speaker 1: missing person's case the way we might define it as
22:28
Speaker 1: a police department. So the families left with no choice.
22:31
Speaker 1: They understand that she might be a very responsible person
22:35
Speaker 1: and this she's acting outside of the norms. That's why,
22:39
Speaker 1: you know, you start to think about all these things.
22:41
Speaker 1: You know, as as an investigator, you think about things like, well,
22:44
Speaker 1: my god, did she go ahead and commit suicide? Did
22:47
Speaker 1: somebody's snatch her? You know what, she didn't just vanish
22:51
Speaker 1: and to thin air. So the onust comes onto the shoulders.
22:54
Speaker 1: How many times have we heard this, you know, even
22:57
Speaker 1: with a ford Hood cases, Nancy, how many times we
23:00
Speaker 1: hear this where it falls to the family to have
23:02
Speaker 1: to take the initiative with the case. Let's look at
23:05
Speaker 1: what we know. We also know that all of her
23:08
Speaker 1: belongings were still back at the ex boyfriend's place. He
23:12
Speaker 1: says he simply did not want to go out that night.
23:14
Speaker 1: She wanted to go to Deep Ellum. It's a popular
23:19
Speaker 1: night life area there in Dallas. Everything was still there
23:23
Speaker 1: except for two things, her cell phone and her debit card.
23:29
Speaker 1: That tells me she was planning on coming back. Now
23:32
Speaker 1: to you, Joe Scott, what does that tell you? Yeah,
23:35
Speaker 1: it means that she's not planning on, you know, leaving
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Speaker 1: town anytime soon. She's going out for an evening. Yeah.
23:42
Speaker 1: It's like when we go out, you know, my wife
23:44
Speaker 1: and I go out for dinner, I don't pack a
23:46
Speaker 1: bag before a plan of coming back to my home.
23:49
Speaker 1: If we're on vacation somewhere, I'm coming back to get
23:52
Speaker 1: my stuff, all right, But we're just gonna go out.
23:54
Speaker 1: I got my debit card with me, I got my
23:56
Speaker 1: phone with me, we got the car keys. We're gonna
23:59
Speaker 1: go out for nice evening. So that tells us quite
24:02
Speaker 1: a bit. These things that she brought with her, and
24:05
Speaker 1: granted she didn't bring her whole house with her from Seattle.
24:08
Speaker 1: These are things that she valued, okay, because she brought
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Speaker 1: them with her on a two thousand mile journey to Dallas.
24:15
Speaker 1: So you would think the right thinking person would think, well,
24:19
Speaker 1: she's going to go back and pick this stuff up
24:20
Speaker 1: before she bounces out of town. I'm looking at her
24:22
Speaker 1: right now. She's got I would say, chest length, dark
24:28
Speaker 1: brown hair, very dark brown eyes. She has her hair
24:32
Speaker 1: up and kind of a bun that then it cascades down.
24:37
Speaker 1: She is wearing a shiny, sleeveless purple top and it
24:43
Speaker 1: looks like a black skirt. That's what she's wearing the
24:47
Speaker 1: night that she was last seen alive there in Dallas.
24:51
Speaker 1: She has with her her white cell phone, and somewhere
24:55
Speaker 1: on her person is her debit card that she used
24:59
Speaker 1: as a debit card a card take a listen to
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Speaker 1: Dave Matt Maricello. Botello went on a plan trip to
25:05
Speaker 1: Dallas on October second to see an ex boyfriend and
25:08
Speaker 1: was scheduled to return to Seattle, Washington Monday, October fifth.
25:11
Speaker 1: When she didn't arrive, her family started looking for her.
25:14
Speaker 1: And what they have found is this. Her family has
25:17
Speaker 1: a lift re seat showing she was dropped off on
25:19
Speaker 1: Elm Street. Just after midnight Monday morning, October fifth, she
25:22
Speaker 1: went to a bar cult like start, and surveillance video
25:25
Speaker 1: captured her leaving the bar wearing a purple dress. According
25:29
Speaker 1: to Maricela's aunt, Danesly Castile, the surveillance video shows Maricela
25:33
Speaker 1: leaving with an unknown mail and it's time stamped at
25:36
Speaker 1: one fifteen am. Further, the Anne was able to get
25:39
Speaker 1: into her niece's T mobile account and determined that Botello
25:42
Speaker 1: used her phone at about four am. According to Castillo,
25:45
Speaker 1: there has been no activity on her cell phone or
25:48
Speaker 1: bank cards since then. You know, I'm curious to just
25:51
Speaker 1: got morgun Professor Forensics, Jacksonville State University, if we know
25:55
Speaker 1: her last card. By the way, she only stayed in
25:58
Speaker 1: the arcade for about one hour, isn't that right, Jackie?
26:01
Speaker 1: About one hour? And from what I can see in
26:04
Speaker 1: the photo, it's a purple top and a black skirt.
26:08
Speaker 1: Check that out, jack and see if you're seeing the
26:10
Speaker 1: same way I'm seeing it. Not a purple dress. But
26:12
Speaker 1: back to the cell phone. If she used her cell
26:17
Speaker 1: phone at four am, is there some reason j Scott
26:20
Speaker 1: Morgan that we can't figure out who she called? I
26:23
Speaker 1: wouldn't think so, Nancy. If you can go back and
26:25
Speaker 1: you can pull those records provided by you know, by
26:29
Speaker 1: the company, as those things are bouncing off the tower,
26:32
Speaker 1: they got to go somewhere, all right. So if you
26:34
Speaker 1: can pull that list of numbers, it would be pretty
26:37
Speaker 1: simple to kind of track that information down. And that's
26:40
Speaker 1: going to be a big key here. You know, who
26:42
Speaker 1: the hell you're going to call at that time of
26:44
Speaker 1: the morning, or well somebody else calling it. And also
26:49
Speaker 1: you combine that information would say, for instance, where the
26:52
Speaker 1: phone was paying at that particular time, you know, get
26:56
Speaker 1: that triangulated space in there, try to find out where
26:59
Speaker 1: geograph ethically, the phone, not her, but the phone is
27:02
Speaker 1: located when it does ring. Okay, Jackie's telling me that
27:06
Speaker 1: is a shadow in the picture. It is one full dress,
27:11
Speaker 1: a purple dress. Now that you're saying that in another photo,
27:14
Speaker 1: I can see it's a dress, a solid purple, deep purple,
27:20
Speaker 1: kind of a metallic looking dress. So we know her
27:23
Speaker 1: phone is still working at four am. I'm curious do
27:26
Speaker 1: we know to Dave mac Weather, cops are have continued
27:30
Speaker 1: to triangulate it after the night she went missing. Where
27:34
Speaker 1: was it used at four am? Was it there near
27:37
Speaker 1: the bar. We absolutely know nothing from the police with
27:40
Speaker 1: regard to that phone. Nancy, we got that information from
27:44
Speaker 1: the end Vanestlie to steal. She's the one who said
27:47
Speaker 1: she was able to access the phone and her snapchat
27:51
Speaker 1: and other things. We're not getting that from the police.
27:54
Speaker 1: Take a listen to this. Marisella Botello's family tells Dayline
27:59
Speaker 1: that the twenty three year old went missing on the
28:01
Speaker 1: last night of her trip, Sunday, October fourth. Her aunt says,
28:04
Speaker 1: because it was her last night in Dallas, Betela wanted
28:07
Speaker 1: to go out, but the ex boyfriend wanted to stay home,
28:09
Speaker 1: so she went alone. Betela didn't return to her ex
28:12
Speaker 1: boyfriend's house that night. Worried, he called her parents. Her belongings,
28:16
Speaker 1: except for her cell phone and debit card, are still there.
28:19
Speaker 1: Botela's father and aunt flew to Dallas to file a
28:22
Speaker 1: missing person's report. Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Guys are
28:42
Speaker 1: talking about the disappearance of a gorgeous young girl, Marisella Betela,
28:45
Speaker 1: age twenty three tipline two one four six seven one
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Speaker 1: four two six eight repeat two one four six seven
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Speaker 1: one four two six eight. Where is Marasella interesting? Straight
29:03
Speaker 1: out to Chris Buyers, Foreign Police Chief John's Creek now
29:07
Speaker 1: PI Chief Buyers. The reality is I believe if the
29:11
Speaker 1: ex boyfriend had anything to do with Marcella's disappearance, he
29:16
Speaker 1: would not be calling her parents and raising the alarm
29:20
Speaker 1: that she's missing. Yeah, totally agree with that, and I'm
29:23
Speaker 1: sure investigators he's the first person that they looked into.
29:27
Speaker 1: Just like if you get a call to a home
29:29
Speaker 1: of a missing child, the first thing you do is
29:31
Speaker 1: you search their bedroom and then you work your way out.
29:34
Speaker 1: The same thing with suspects. You find those closest to
29:36
Speaker 1: him who had contacts, and you begin to work your
29:39
Speaker 1: way out. But I would completely agree that it makes
29:42
Speaker 1: him sound like he is not a suspect. I'm very curious.
29:46
Speaker 1: I get the sense that this case is not a
29:50
Speaker 1: priority there with the Dallas PD, and I don't know
29:54
Speaker 1: why we're finding out more from the family than we're
29:58
Speaker 1: finding out from police. I mean, if she's caught on
30:01
Speaker 1: video leaving the arcade after one hour with a guy
30:06
Speaker 1: that is not the boyfriend, then who's the guy? Can't
30:11
Speaker 1: we tell from credit card receives or transactions or close
30:16
Speaker 1: circuit TV inside the arcade who she was with? Who
30:20
Speaker 1: she shuck up a conversation with. Can't we get an
30:22
Speaker 1: idea of how tall he is, how much he weighs,
30:25
Speaker 1: what color he is, what color his hair is, what
30:27
Speaker 1: he was wearing. I mean, Joe Scott Morgan. It's not
30:32
Speaker 1: rocket science, Okay. For instance, if Jackie were walking out
30:35
Speaker 1: of the studio door right now, and I took a
30:37
Speaker 1: picture of it, I could then measure the door and
30:41
Speaker 1: figure out exactly how tall, exactly how tall Jackie is.
30:46
Speaker 1: I could then figure out how much she weighed. I
30:50
Speaker 1: could see what color she is, what color her hair is.
30:52
Speaker 1: There's gotta be cameras inside that arcade. Why aren't we
30:58
Speaker 1: hearing about who this guy is? Well, you're absolutely right. However,
31:03
Speaker 1: oh there you go. I gotta say, Nancy, I don't
31:07
Speaker 1: put a lot of faith in CCTV footage, particularly when
31:11
Speaker 1: it comes to being inside of a bar. All right.
31:14
Speaker 1: You know we talked about David Busters or places like
31:17
Speaker 1: that earlier. Yeah, you got TV screens that are up,
31:20
Speaker 1: and you've got ambient light that's coming off. But for
31:23
Speaker 1: the most part, there's a lot of dark areas in there,
31:26
Speaker 1: so it's really hard to pick up on specific details. However,
31:29
Speaker 1: you know, what I wonder watching what you're saying. I
31:32
Speaker 1: don't like it because think about the case of Savannah Spurlock.
31:37
Speaker 1: Remember she walked out and we see the purp Okay,
31:41
Speaker 1: think about wrong Way, Lois Reese. She was spotted in
31:46
Speaker 1: many establishments on surveillance video at darkened bars, as you
31:51
Speaker 1: were saying, and I could clearly see her sitting at
31:54
Speaker 1: a bar chatting up her next victim, a doppel gang
31:58
Speaker 1: or that looks a lot like her, Lois Reese. Yeah,
32:02
Speaker 1: it's not perfect. It's not at you know, a portrait studio.
32:07
Speaker 1: But I can see if the person is white, black,
32:10
Speaker 1: maybe I can tell more about them based on where
32:13
Speaker 1: they're standing or sitting. I can tell how tall they are.
32:15
Speaker 1: I can tell if it's a man or a woman.
32:17
Speaker 1: I can tell what color their hair is, what generally
32:20
Speaker 1: they're wearing. Come on, why are you? Why are you
32:23
Speaker 1: whipping out on me? J Scott Morgan, Well, you know
32:26
Speaker 1: I'm trying to give you somebody to beat up on
32:28
Speaker 1: here today. Nancy. Yeah, hell, I gotta tell. I mean,
32:32
Speaker 1: don't you remember that Survellis video of Tom mom JC
32:34
Speaker 1: Anthony buying the push up bras and the beer while
32:38
Speaker 1: I was missing that was great Survillis video. Plus you
32:41
Speaker 1: used it for a check. Well, yeah, and you can
32:44
Speaker 1: tie those things back together. And wouldn't it be interesting
32:47
Speaker 1: that if you had a time stamp on this CCTV footage,
32:53
Speaker 1: if there was, you could look back to all of say,
32:57
Speaker 1: for instance, the transactions electronic transaction that took place in
33:02
Speaker 1: that bar at that specific time. You know, we're handing
33:05
Speaker 1: over your card, you're using it, and you can kind
33:07
Speaker 1: of pair those up. Now back to the physical description, Yeah,
33:10
Speaker 1: you can come up with maybe a generalized description of
33:13
Speaker 1: the individuals. If the footage is not good. You can
33:16
Speaker 1: do height. You can even do like width of shoulders.
33:20
Speaker 1: You know, you can talk about hair color. Now you're
33:24
Speaker 1: telling me something. Don't make me hold you in contipt,
33:27
Speaker 1: Joseph Scott Morgan. You know it's serious when I say, Joseph,
33:31
Speaker 1: you're right. You can tell with the shoulders, you know
33:33
Speaker 1: the truth. You can tell shoe size, you certainly can
33:38
Speaker 1: go ahead. Yeah, by the relative space of everything else.
33:41
Speaker 1: Let's say, for instance, that we have a marker, for instance,
33:44
Speaker 1: like a bar stool, Well, we know what type of
33:47
Speaker 1: bar stool that is, and we can look at that
33:49
Speaker 1: and we understand the width between the legs. Say, for instance,
33:53
Speaker 1: if the tube in this instance is immediately adjacent to that,
33:57
Speaker 1: you can do kind of a compare and contrast here,
34:00
Speaker 1: what's going to put us in the ballpark? And so yeah,
34:03
Speaker 1: that's quite possible. And this goes back to this practice
34:06
Speaker 1: with in forensics, it's called biometrics. You know, you hear
34:10
Speaker 1: about it relative to the face, where you can police
34:12
Speaker 1: dimensions off and it's very specific, but you can also
34:16
Speaker 1: biometrically evaluate an individual by these dimensions of their body
34:21
Speaker 1: arm linked, shoulder, shoulder with even way sauce to a
34:25
Speaker 1: certain to a certain degree. Take a listen to this.
34:30
Speaker 1: During the search for Marisella Botella, the family has been
34:33
Speaker 1: able to access her email, social media and bank accounts.
34:36
Speaker 1: They discovered a lifter re seat showing she was dropped
34:38
Speaker 1: off on Elm Street in the Deep Elam area just
34:41
Speaker 1: after midnight on Monday, October fifth. Herrant Denesse La Castillo
34:45
Speaker 1: says security video from outside the Select Start bar shows
34:49
Speaker 1: an unknown man who they believe to be the person
34:51
Speaker 1: Botela left the bar with at one fifteen am. Botella's
34:55
Speaker 1: camera roll and Snapchat account have pictures of her wearing
34:58
Speaker 1: a purple dress the same dress seen in the surveillance video.
35:03
Speaker 1: Did he buy her a drink? Did he slip GHB
35:07
Speaker 1: in the drink? What many people think happened to for instance,
35:12
Speaker 1: Natalie Holloway, Josh S. Gott Morgan. What does gama hydroxybuterated
35:18
Speaker 1: to your system? That's something that we refer to as
35:22
Speaker 1: a hypnotic nancy. It can actually drive your system down
35:25
Speaker 1: and your awareness of your surroundings so that the individual
35:29
Speaker 1: almost becomes in a zombie like condition. They're easily easily manipulated.
35:35
Speaker 1: You can guide them around almost like a small child.
35:38
Speaker 1: Some people and in many cases find themselves losing total consciousness,
35:43
Speaker 1: but they still haven't awareness. There are any number of
35:45
Speaker 1: stories out there where these poor women that are applied
35:49
Speaker 1: with the strug will kind of have this moment where
35:52
Speaker 1: they come to and they realize can you imagine this
35:55
Speaker 1: where they realize they're actually being sexually assaulted and there's
35:58
Speaker 1: nothing they can do about it. It's almost like their
36:00
Speaker 1: limbs are frozen. It almost works like a sedative that
36:04
Speaker 1: would be applied to somebody prior to surgery. You know,
36:07
Speaker 1: when you're ramping up into anesthesia, you know what you're
36:11
Speaker 1: saying reminds me of what many of Bill Cosby's victims
36:15
Speaker 1: said how they felt after he had given them a qualude.
36:19
Speaker 1: Do you remember that, Joe Scott? Yes, I do, Nancy,
36:22
Speaker 1: And it works much the same way, only now with
36:26
Speaker 1: this generation of drugs. You know you commonly here refer
36:29
Speaker 1: too as we're hibb and all. It's much much more
36:33
Speaker 1: fast acting. And keep this in mind, it's odorless, it's colorless,
36:38
Speaker 1: and it can be applied in liquids. So if you
36:40
Speaker 1: take this and you just put the smallest dropper amount
36:44
Speaker 1: into a drink, so you're just kind of cruising up
36:46
Speaker 1: beside her at the bar, you drop this into her
36:50
Speaker 1: drink that she's sipping on. She's not going to have
36:52
Speaker 1: an awareness that this thing that's going to hit her.
36:54
Speaker 1: But the individual is using this is practiced at it, Nancy.
36:57
Speaker 1: They're practiced at it, so they can actually almost predict
37:01
Speaker 1: what is going to happen in this short period of Tom.
37:04
Speaker 1: Now they've got their arm around her almost it looks
37:07
Speaker 1: like they're in an intimate setting together because the person's
37:10
Speaker 1: not fighting that you know that he's embracing at that moment, Tom,
37:14
Speaker 1: and you can literally walk him out the door to
37:17
Speaker 1: doctor W. Joffe Ella, Psychologist, Professor, Columbia University, Doctor Debbie,
37:21
Speaker 1: there's also the possibility that this guy was charming and
37:25
Speaker 1: she felt safe leaving with him. That is a great possibility.
37:31
Speaker 1: You know, people who have psychopathic tendencies can be incredibly charming.
37:37
Speaker 1: And if someone there is in a state of I
37:42
Speaker 1: want to have fun, they're not going to think things
37:45
Speaker 1: through or necessarily be suspicious. They're charmed. So yeah, that
37:50
Speaker 1: is a likelihood. And the reality is she is a
37:53
Speaker 1: young girl. She's just twenty three years old, out in
37:56
Speaker 1: a strange city, not her home, although she's traveled a lot. Yeah. Yeah,
38:01
Speaker 1: George Bernard Shure that has once wrote used his waisted
38:06
Speaker 1: on the young, And I know when I was young,
38:10
Speaker 1: you know, you feel you can tend to feel invincible.
38:13
Speaker 1: You don't think ahead of what might happen, you know,
38:17
Speaker 1: true orris were never spoken, Doctor Debbie Joffe Ellis. And
38:21
Speaker 1: I'm thinking about her all dressed up in her a
38:23
Speaker 1: cute little purple dress that night, going out to see
38:27
Speaker 1: the town. Where is this girl? Marisella Bateello to applyne
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Speaker 1: two on four six seven one two sixty eight. We
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Speaker 1: wait as justice unfalse Nancy Gray's crime story, signing off
38:42
Speaker 1: goodbye friend,