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The State vs. Tyler Robinson: Inside the Charlie Kirk Murder Trial (Part 4) (7/10/26) · The Epstein Chronicles

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  Speaker 1: What's up everyone, and welcome back to the program. In
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  this episode, we're going to pick up where we left
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  off talking about the murder of Charlie Kirk and the
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  trial of Tyler Robinson. After bindover, the case would move
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  toward arraignment and deeper pre trial litigation. Robinson would likely
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  and to replee if he has not already done so.
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  At that stage, the defense would then file more targeted motions,
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  and those motions could address suppression, discovery, expert testimony, venue,
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  jury questionnaires, capital procedures, and admissibility of statements. The state
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  would respond and refine its presentation. Expert witnesses would become
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  more important. DNA analysts, firearms examiners, digital friends with specialists,
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  medical examiners, and investigators could all become central. The court
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  would also have to manage media access and jury pool concerns.
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  Every ruling could shape the eventual trial. Venu may become
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  a major issue later on. Utah's a state where the
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  crime occurred, while public awareness may be intense across the
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  whole state. The defense may argue that local jurors have
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  been saturated by coverage. Prosecutors may argue that careful for
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  deer can solve that problem. Courts often prefer jury selection
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  overmoving a trial, but this case is unusual because of
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  its national attention and local trauma. Many Utah residents have
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  followed the shooting closely. Some may have personal connections to
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  UVU turning point events, law enforcement, or political groups. Jury
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  selection will therefore be painstaking. The court will need jurors
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  who can separate evidence from opinion, and jury selection in
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  a death penalty case is even more complicated. Jurors must
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  be questioned about their views on capital punishment. They can't
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  be automatically excluded just because they have moral concerns, but
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  they must be able to follow the law. Prosecutors will
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  want jurors open to imposing death if the law and
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  evidence support it. Defense attorneys will want jurors who take
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  mitigation seriously. That process is called death qualification, and it
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  can shape the jury. Critics argue death qualified juries may
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  be more conviction prone. Supporters argue the state must have
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  jurors capable of considering lawful punishment. In this case, that
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  issue will be unavoidable. The death penalty will influence everything
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  from bodir to settlement discussions. Now look a pleaar resolution
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  is theoretically possible, but politically and emotionally difficult. In capital cases,
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  defendants sometimes plead guilty in exchange for life without parole.
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  Prosecutors sometimes accept that to spare the families a trial
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  and avoid appell at risk, but this case involves a
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  fan same as victim, public political violence, and the state
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  that has already pursued death eligibility. That makes any negotiation complicated.
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  Kirk's family views would likely matter, though prosecutors will make
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  the final call. The defense may eventually seek to remove
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  death exposure through negotiation or litigation, but the state may
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  insist on trial, but at this stage it's still too
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  early to know. For now, the case is being litigated
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  as a capital prosecution. The public impact of the killing
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  has been enormous. Kirk supporters saw the murder as an
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  attack on political speech. Many conservatives treated it as proof
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  that public political activism had become physically dangerous. Others warned
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  against exploiting the killing before the facts were fully established.
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  Universities were visited events security, especially for controversial speakers. Law
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  enforcement agencies face questions about opening events, rooftops, crowd screening,
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  and rapid response. The case also intensified debate about political
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  radicalization and online culture, but those debates, while important, are
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  not substituted for evidence. The courtroom must stay focused on
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  what can be proven. That is the only way the
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  final outcome can command legitimacy. And speaking about security, the
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  security questions around the UVU event will likely persist. Outdoor
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  campus events are difficult to protect because they are open
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  by design. A speaker under a tent can be visible
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  from many angles. Nearby buildings create elevated risk. Full screening
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  can be logistically difficult and politically controversial. Universities want openness,
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  but openness creates vulnerabilities. Security planning must consider rooftops, sitelines,
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  access points, and emergency evacuation. After this killing, those questions
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  will not be theoretical. Future events involving high profile political
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  figures will likely be planned a lot differently. That's one
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  of the lasting consequences of the case beyond the court
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  room now. The investigation also shows the power and danger
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  of public image releases. Releasing suspect images helped identify Robinson
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  according to the public record. That makes the release a
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  success from an investigative standpoint, but public releases also trigger
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  speculation misidentification, online vigilantism, and rumor. In this case, the
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  images appear to have helped family members recognize the suspect
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  that may have shortened the manhunt dramatically. Still, every public
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  release must be weighed carefully. Authorities need help, but they
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  also risk contaminating witness memories. People who see a suspect
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  image may later believe they saw more than they did.
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  Defense attorneys know this and may explore it later. The
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  role of family identification could become important at the trial.
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  A mother recognizing her son from a released image is
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  emotionally powerful evidence. A father connecting a firearm to his
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  son can be equally powerful. But family recognition is not
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  the same as forensic proof. It is witness evidence. The
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  defense can cross examine family members about certainty, timing, pressure,
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  and context. Prosecutors can use their statements to explain how
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  Robinson became the focus. Jurors may find family cooperation highly persuasive.
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  They may also find a tragic Either way, it's likely
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  to be part of the state's story If the case
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  goes to trial, and the surrender itself may be presented
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  as evidence of consciousness, cooperation, or both. Prosecutors may say
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  Robinson surrendered because he had been identified, knew the evidence
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  was closing in The defense may say surrender shows he
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  was not trying to disappear or harm Others. Interpretations can coexist.
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  Surrender does not prove guilt by itself. It also does
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  not prove innocence. Its significance depends on surrounding statements, timing,
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  and conduct. If Robinson made any admissible statements during or
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  before surrender, those can matter greatly. If you remain silent
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  or invoked as rights, the state's use of that fact
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  would be limited. This is another area where future motions
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  may clarify the record. The investigations appear to have moved
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  through several phases. First came emergency response and seen control.
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  Second came suspect tracking through video and physical evidence. Third
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  came public identification efforts. Fourth came family recognition and surrender.
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  Fifth came forensic testing and charging. Sixth pre trial litigation,
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  and the current preliminary hearing is a seventh major phase.
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  The next phase, if the case is bound over, will
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  be full capital trial preparation. Each phase has produced evidence, disputes,
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  and a lot of public reaction and the backbone of
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  the state's public theory is the charging document. It alleges
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  intentional or knowing killing. It alleges firearm discharge in circumstances
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  that cause serious injury and death. It alleges concealment of evidence.
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  It alleges efforts to influence or silence a witness. It
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  alleges children were present. It alleges political targeting. Each allegation
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  serves a purpose. Together, they create a narrative of planned assassination, escape, concealment,
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  and postcrime management. Now the defense they'll try to separate
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  that narrative into individual claims that must be proven one
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  by one. That is how complex prosecutions are defended. Now,
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  I want the listeners to understand the difference between evidence
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  and proof. Evidence is what the state offers to support
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  its claims. Proof is what the fact finds accepts after
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  legal testing. A rifle is evidence, DNA is evidence, a
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  text message is evidence, a witness statement is evidence. A
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  video is evidence. But each item must be authenticated, admitted, explained,
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  and weighed. The defense can attack any of those steps.
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  The trial process exists because evidence is not automatically truth.
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  The prelim hearing is only an early filter. And look,
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  this case is already exposing tensions in modern criminal justice.
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  The public wants instant transparency, but trials require controlled evidence.
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  Families want accountability, but defendants have rights. Prosecutors want to
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  explain their case, but gag orders limit public commentary. Media
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  organizations want access, but courts must protect juror impartiality. Online
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  audiences want certainty, but investigations produce probabilities and disputes. Political
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  communities want meaning, will, courtrooms demand elements and statutes. All
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  of those tensions are present here, and that's why the
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  case feels larger than one court room. Still, the law
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  has to reduce it back to admissible evidence. And speaking
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  of evidence, the prosecution's strongest factual pillars appear to be
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  the surveillance path, the rifle recovery, the alleged DNA links,
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  the alleged note, the alleged text messages, family recognition, and surrender.
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  Any one of those can matter together there are a
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  reason that the case appears likely to proceed. The defense's
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  strongest current pressure point appears to be DNA interpretation, ballistics, ambiguity,
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  hearsay reliance, live witness, confrontation, edited photo presentation, publicity, and motive.
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  Framing those pressure points may not defeat probable cause, they
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  can matter a great deal at trial. The state wants
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  the case understood as a coherent, planned assassination. The defense
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  wants it understood as an untested prosecution narrative, and that,
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  my friends, is the battle line now. The prelim hearing
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  has also shown that the judge is aware of the
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  case's volatility. He has to keep the proceeding from becoming
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  a political rally, a media spectacle, or a private proceeding
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  hidden from public view, each extreme with damage confidence. Open
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  courts matter, Fair trials matter, Victim dignity matters, defendant rights matter,
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  public safety matters. The court has to protect all of
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  them at once, and that's nearly impossible to balance, but
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  it's the job. The judge's rulings this week are setting
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  the tone for everything that follows, and I think that
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  this case also illustrates why prelim hearings can be misunderstood
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  by the public. When people hear evidence presented in court,
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  they naturally think they're watching the trial. They are not.
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  The state can only rely on some reads and hearsay
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  that may face tougher scrutiny later. The defense may hold
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  back some arguments because it does not want to educate
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  the prosecution too early. The judge may admit evidence for
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  a probable cause without deciding its final trial admissibility. That
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  means listeners should treat this week as a map, not
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  the destination. The map shows where the case is going,
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  it doesn't prove how the journey ends. The trial, if
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  it comes, will be much more demanding. All right, folks,
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  we're going to wrap up right here, and in the
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  next episode, we're going to pick up where we left off.
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  All the information that goes with this episode can be
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  found in the description box.