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- 0:00Howdy, and welcome to another episode of Cooper's Code Life
- 0:03Cycle of a Case series where we provide tools and tactics for
- 0:08the different phases of a case. We're compiling all of these
- 0:11episodes into a playlist on our YouTube channel, so head on over
- 0:14there if you want to see them all.
- 0:20In the final countdown to trial, we come to what is is probably
- 0:26one of the most important phases of the case.
- 0:30That's pretrial work. And in the pretrial work, this
- 0:35is an opportunity to to really help set the stage for the case.
- 0:40So there are a number of things that need to be exchanged
- 0:44pretrial, the exhibit list and the exhibits, the witness list,
- 0:48jury questionnaire, stipulations that that one can agree to
- 0:52motions and eliminate A neutral statement or decision to do a, a
- 0:56mini opening and the verdict form.
- 0:58Those are kind of the, the big, the biggies for pretrial
- 1:01exchange in federal court. The federal court will often
- 1:05times require one to do a, a joint trial submission where one
- 1:12has to go through a lot of these things and work with the other
- 1:16side to try and refine them. We often times will try our own
- 1:20state variant of this with opposing counsel where we will
- 1:23reach out and suggest a a joint submission in terms of what we
- 1:27can agree to, what we can't agree to.
- 1:29Two reasons for this. One is we find that when we go
- 1:33into a courtroom and we've worked together like that, the
- 1:38judge tends to be very appreciative and an appreciative
- 1:41judge tends to let one try one's case, meaning you often times
- 1:46won't get cut off on jury selection the same way.
- 1:50You just stand in better stead with the judge.
- 1:53Now all that said, I'd say of the multitude of times that we
- 1:59have have suggested joint work, it's accepted probably about 10%
- 2:03of the time. The other piece where where
- 2:05joint work can be hopeful is it means that one starts discussing
- 2:10these issues early on with with the other side and it reduces
- 2:13the number of duplicate exhibits.
- 2:15It means that there one is more likely to get a jury
- 2:18questionnaire. So there there's a number of
- 2:20benefits to it. A way to start this whole
- 2:24process is with the exhibit list and that's making sure that
- 2:29everything that one might need in the case for trial has been
- 2:35listed on the list. There are various ways to handle
- 2:40medical records. Our approach typically is to
- 2:43take each visit as a separate exhibit.
- 2:48So, and this is I will tell you it's very time consuming.
- 2:52The benefit to doing it this way is it makes it a lot easier on
- 2:57the clerk. It makes it much less likely
- 3:01that something that you don't want to have come in comes in
- 3:06and you can move to admit record by record in terms of what you
- 3:11want in versus what you don't want in.
- 3:15It also makes it much easier when you're working with an
- 3:18expert and asking the expert questions.
- 3:20You know, isn't it true that on blank you blank date so and so
- 3:25went and saw. Thus in such person, I want you
- 3:27to turn to exhibit 32. And so it makes it the trial
- 3:31just flow a lot better. The downside is you end up with
- 3:35an enormous exhibit list and a lot of them are exhibits that
- 3:38that don't get referenced during the course of the case.
- 3:41But it is always easier to have it there and have it be
- 3:43available than than the other way around.
- 3:47So that's, that's the benefit of, of, of pulling those all
- 3:50out. If you're very proactive, you
- 3:52can go ahead and get the medical records in chronologic order,
- 3:55have them numbered with specific numbers and use those numbers as
- 4:00the same numbers all the way through the trial.
- 4:02And then you can give your expert the binders with or or
- 4:07digital versions of the binders that have all these so that they
- 4:10are making reference to the same numbers in the report as are
- 4:14being referenced in trial. And it smooths everything out.
- 4:17It's very streamlined when that works.
- 4:20There are lots of situations where the records just dribble
- 4:23in and it's much harder to make that happen.
- 4:25Same thing with a running exhibit list through the course
- 4:28of a case. The I would say there are
- 4:31probably less than 10 cases that I've been involved in where
- 4:36starting with the first exhibit of the first deposition as
- 4:40Exhibit 1 and running it up through, you know,
- 4:42A100200300400, whatever it is through the course of discovery
- 4:47and trial has worked. Usually someone forgets to bring
- 4:53a binder or someone forgets what number they're at and the thing
- 4:58starts falling apart. That said, it can really
- 5:02streamline cases in the cases where you work well with the
- 5:05Bozing Council and you can reach an agreement and have that just
- 5:08running exhibit list all the way through.
- 5:09So that's exhibit list. I'm going to talk about jury
- 5:12questionnaire before I talk about witness list.
- 5:15We usually like to use a jury questionnaire.
- 5:17We usually like to try and get buy in from the other side on a
- 5:20jury questionnaire. One of the benefits of a jury
- 5:23questionnaire is a good jury questionnaire incorporates the
- 5:28witness list. So the typically it's the last
- 5:31page of a jury questionnaire. You'll have a list of all the
- 5:35names of the people and entities who may be involved in the case
- 5:40and also includes the law firms and the lawyers.
- 5:43But that way the judge doesn't have to go and read through 42
- 5:46names and ask people to raise their hand as to how they know
- 5:49you know John Doe. It just kind of speeds things
- 5:53along. Jury questionnaires are also
- 5:56beneficial because people are much more likely to answer
- 6:00things honestly on paper when they're just writing it down,
- 6:04rather than answering questions in open court that might be
- 6:07embarrassing. We find that a jury
- 6:09questionnaire is a wonderful tool to help us dig into things
- 6:15in a more meaningful way and go into jury selection in a more
- 6:18meaningful way. That said, there are a lot of
- 6:20judges who will not allow them in cases under a certain
- 6:25duration or in cases that they think are going to be under a
- 6:28certain duration. So try and get one.
- 6:31If you can recognize you're more likely to get it if you could
- 6:35reach agreement with the other side and recognize that there
- 6:38are course where even when you're in agreement, they won't
- 6:40allow it. So witness list.
- 6:43The witness list is pretty straightforward.
- 6:46List everyone who you think may be called in the case.
- 6:50There are some jurisdictions where they will ask for a brief
- 6:53description of what they will be talking about and a time
- 6:56estimate. This gets harder.
- 6:57And the reason I say it gets harder is because sometimes when
- 7:01you're listening all the witnesses, you're doing it in a
- 7:03way where you want to make sure that you don't overlook anyone,
- 7:07even if there's a a low likelihood that they're going to
- 7:10be called. You may think that you might
- 7:12need a radiologist for a a Sanchez issue to to to lay some
- 7:15foundation, but realistically the treating radiologist is not
- 7:18going to be called at all. It's just your expert ortho
- 7:21who's going to be testifying about things.
- 7:23The time estimates tend to be loose.
- 7:30We tend to overestimate time because it is always easier to
- 7:35overestimate the length of the a trial and then come in under
- 7:41that time limit, then have a judge telling you you are out of
- 7:46time and the jury's going to be going home, so you're doing the
- 7:49closing tomorrow. So just consider that in terms
- 7:52of the time estimates, stipulations, there are
- 7:57typically things that the parties should agree to without
- 8:01them having any emotions in limine.
- 8:04Things like witnesses not being in the courtroom until after
- 8:07they've testified, unless they're the parties letting the
- 8:10other side know who you're going to be calling roughly 24 hours
- 8:14in advance. Demonstrifs in in opening, no
- 8:17reference to mediation or insurance.
- 8:20These are all things that should be done and shouldn't be a
- 8:24fight. Sometimes with opposing counsel,
- 8:26you're going to have fights. So then you just have to have
- 8:29your stock motions in lemonade. So in the motions in lemonade
- 8:32department, there are stock motions in lemonade, the ones
- 8:35that you do in almost every case.
- 8:37An example here is you know, no new opinions from experts absent
- 8:45appropriate notice the other side.
- 8:47And then there are are case specific motions in lemonade
- 8:50and, and these are ones where they can make significant
- 8:52difference in the outcome of a case, either by getting the
- 8:55court to order to allow certain evidence to come in or getting
- 8:58the court to or to keep certain evidence out.
- 9:03If you have these types of issues where you think it's
- 9:07going to be pivotal in a case, it is wise to start these early
- 9:12so that you're not doing it in the flurry of the the tight
- 9:15window before trial. It also can be beneficial if you
- 9:18have a direct calendar judge, direct assignment judge and you
- 9:22think that these things are going to, to alter settlement
- 9:26negotiations to say so to the judge.
- 9:29And then sometimes they'll be a pretrial conference or there
- 9:34will be a a final status conference.
- 9:38And that's an opportunity to say to the judge, hey, judge, as an
- 9:40aside, we've been to two mediations.
- 9:43We've made headway, but at this point we're still headed to
- 9:46trial. There are a couple of
- 9:48evidentiary issues. If, if certain evidence comes in
- 9:51or certain evidence is kept out, it's going to completely alter
- 9:55the landscape of this case. And with that in mind, we would
- 9:59love it if you would be willing to schedule a motion, eliminate
- 10:02hearing early, say sometime in the next two weeks so that we
- 10:06can reap these issues, get rulings on them, and then that
- 10:09that may help us in a way where this case may not be in your
- 10:12court. Judges often times will try to
- 10:15help you when they can as far as that's concerned.
- 10:18So neutral statements or many opening requests, courts now are
- 10:22are obligated to allow the parties to do a mini opening
- 10:26should they choose to do so. There has been a lot written
- 10:32about many openings versus neutral statements, whether 1 is
- 10:36better than the other. There are people who have very
- 10:39strong beliefs about one versus another.
- 10:43The short version of this is a mini opening is very different
- 10:50than the actual opening. A mini opening is an opportunity
- 10:55to be very factor neutral, to not be passionate or persuasive.
- 11:01And the reason for this is if you are a compelling trial
- 11:08attorney and you are passionate, what you'll find after your mini
- 11:11opening is a lot of your good jurors are going to end up
- 11:15getting off for cause because you have told such a compelling
- 11:19story. So the the other approach that
- 11:23that is recommended by most of the trial consultants at this
- 11:26point is if you're doing a mini opening to disclose in a fact
- 11:30neutral way some of the bad facts in your case that you want
- 11:35jurors to be thinking about. Because then you start being
- 11:39able to get the people who who are very much against your case,
- 11:44you can start focusing on them and getting some of those jurors
- 11:47off for cause. If you're going to possibly need
- 11:52a neutral statement, just recommend getting that done in
- 11:55advance. So there are some courts that
- 11:58will give you static about the mini opening.
- 12:00If you think you're going to get static, it's wise to have
- 12:02something that's agreed to beforehand.
- 12:04So the judge is not writing something from the bench and and
- 12:08choosing to write their own story just before the jury panel
- 12:11is coming in, which we've seen judges do sometimes final piece
- 12:16verdict form. It it is wonderful to have an
- 12:19agreed verdict form before you are trying the case.
- 12:24It is wonderful to have an agreed verdict form before
- 12:26closing. Sometimes this is the verdict
- 12:29form is simple. It's, it's a, you know,
- 12:33negligence, comparative negligence and damages and, and
- 12:37two parties and, and that's it. Sometimes things get
- 12:40complicated. So if it's going to get
- 12:43complicated getting the judge's eyes on it early in the process,
- 12:48we like to use the verdict form as the frame for closing
- 12:52argument. And because we want to use the
- 12:54vert form as a frame for closing argument, meaning you're going
- 12:57to get question one question one asks, was defendant so and so
- 13:00negligent? Here's the information that you
- 13:02need when you're in the jury room to be able to focus on
- 13:05answering this question. And when other jurors come up to
- 13:07you and say, you know, gosh, I don't think they're negligent.
- 13:10You can say, ah, but did you consider 12345 the testimony of
- 13:14so and so the photo of this? So the vert form becomes a a
- 13:19powerful advocacy tool for closing.
- 13:23So getting that agreed upon as early as you possibly can so
- 13:29that it's not being argued about while the jury has gone back to
- 13:32deliberate. That's that's something that
- 13:36that is useful in the process. Moving from the pre trial
- 13:40documents to the trial phases itself.
- 13:42There is jury selection, opening statement, the plaintiff's case
- 13:47in chief, the defendants case in chief, rebuttal witnesses, if
- 13:51any rebuttal witnesses are being called.
- 13:53There's closing, there's the deliberating, there's the
- 13:57reading of the verdict, and then there's polling of these phases.
- 14:02Jury selection is the one that sometimes surprises people by
- 14:07how much time it takes. And I don't mean to be insulting
- 14:11and saying this having been a juror, it feels like a cattle
- 14:16call when one is being called in as a panel.
- 14:20So you you get the call group number 108-1091, ten 111, go up
- 14:25to department 5O2, go down the elevator, take the elevator to
- 14:28the fifth floor. And so you shuffle along, you go
- 14:32up an elevator and you go into a jury room with a bunch of other
- 14:35people wondering what the heck this is going to be about.
- 14:38So just waiting for the panel to come up and reading the names
- 14:43and making sure nobody got lost between the jury room and the
- 14:48courtroom can take, you know, 20-30 minutes.
- 14:54Then doing the hardships can also take an extended amount of
- 14:58time. If there's a questionnaire, then
- 15:01having the questionnaire filled out, going home, making copies,
- 15:05reviewing those, then coming back the next day to do the jury
- 15:08selection. So each part of this can take
- 15:11time. There was a period where some
- 15:14judges were limiting people to 15 minutes of questioning for
- 15:19jury selection. The arbitrary time limits are
- 15:23something that can't be done now by statute 1 still sometimes
- 15:27comes across judges who limit time on jury selection, but on
- 15:30the whole it's much better than it was, say, 10 or 15 years ago.
- 15:34As long as you don't look like you're wasting the court's time,
- 15:37often times you'll be given the time that one needs to pick a
- 15:41jury. The jury selection process is is
- 15:45fascinating. It it is an episode unto itself
- 15:50in terms of how to do it. There's a lot of strategy, a lot
- 15:54of game theory, a lot of planning based on who one is
- 16:00losing or who one thinks the other side is going to be
- 16:01getting rid of. The short version of this is
- 16:05that most courthouses use what is sometimes referred to as the
- 16:10six pack model, which means they'll have 12 in the box,
- 16:15that's the jury and then 6IN chairs in front and you'll
- 16:19question those first eighteen people.
- 16:22You then use your cause challenges saying judge, I think
- 16:25jurors 47 and 12 are off for cause.
- 16:28The judge will try to rehab them.
- 16:30There is a good case law on jurors not being able to be
- 16:33rehabbed once they say they can't be fair.
- 16:35It's an 1899 case involving the title railway.
- 16:38If you can't find it, feel free to reach out to us.
- 16:41We'll be happy to provide some briefing on that.
- 16:43But the goal is to to identify people who you can get off for
- 16:46cause, get them to agree that they cannot be neutral and that
- 16:53they are a not a good juror for this case and that they in fact
- 16:56can't be fair. It's a delicate process to get
- 16:59them to, to say those words. But if you have them say those
- 17:02words, usually they they can't stay.
- 17:05And then after you do your cause challenges, there are
- 17:08peremptories. So each side gets 6
- 17:10peremptories. You don't want to be in a
- 17:12situation where you're using that last peremptory and the
- 17:15defense has more remaining and suddenly you end up with a bunch
- 17:20of really terrible people who you can't get off for cause
- 17:23going into the box. But that's the macro.
- 17:26If you want the micro, I would suggest going back to the Ed
- 17:29Lazarus interview on jury selection.
- 17:32That is from probably about a year or more ago, but he's a
- 17:37jury consultant who we've worked with and, and has some good
- 17:40input on, on the jury selection process.
- 17:43Opening statements. Opening statements are often
- 17:47times referred to as the cover of a jigsaw puzzle.
- 17:51That's a a very common line, but it's it's a way to tell the
- 17:56story in a coherent fashion so the jury understands what
- 18:00happened. Some people refer to as opening
- 18:02argument, meaning there are people who will push the
- 18:06envelope on the persuasiveness in opening statement even though
- 18:10it's supposed to be fact neutral.
- 18:12The the common tactic in any opening statement when you start
- 18:15getting objection argument sustained, then the common way
- 18:19that people handle that is they just go back and say the
- 18:23evidence will show and then they say the same thing.
- 18:26The evidence will show that the defense behavior was
- 18:28reprehensible objection argument.
- 18:30I said the evidence will show. He said the evidence will show.
- 18:33Go on counsel. So after opening a statement
- 18:37comes the case in chief. As an aside, this is an area in
- 18:42a modern case where we feel it is wise to have more than one
- 18:49attorney doing the lift. And the reason for that is going
- 18:53from jury selection to presenting a compelling opening
- 18:57statement to taking meaningful first witness, which often times
- 19:04is an adverse witness. It is frequently say the the
- 19:08defendant's designated agent that one is taking as a cross
- 19:11examination under Evidence Code 776 where you can lead the
- 19:14witness and so it can be a very challenging examination.
- 19:17So those three things back-to-back can be a heavy
- 19:21lift. It can be great if the attorney
- 19:24doing jury selection can sit down, another can do the opening
- 19:27and then that same attorney that did jury selection then does the
- 19:31first witness. Then you kind of scattered as
- 19:34you go forward from there. There is an art to the order of
- 19:39witnesses. The art is to care deeply and
- 19:44also be open to outcome. There are beliefs about primacy
- 19:49and recency, and so when you can order the witnesses precisely
- 19:53the way you would like, it's really nice.
- 19:56It is important to have the first few witnesses really be
- 20:00ones that you want to have in that order, realistically.
- 20:05Between expert schedules, court schedules, and the other things
- 20:11that just occur in in the nature of trial, often times they don't
- 20:16come in from that point forward in the order that you would
- 20:20like, and it always all works out and it always all comes in.
- 20:25It's like watching Tetris fall from a really good player.
- 20:28The holes all get filled and everything works out just fine.
- 20:34But you need to be mindful that there are judges who will tell
- 20:38you that if you don't have a witness, you rest.
- 20:42So if you're in one of those departments, make sure that you
- 20:45always have a backup plan. So the backup plan can be your
- 20:49plaintiff. The backup plan can be a video
- 20:52deposition that you're ready to hit play on should a witness
- 20:56fail to show up. But just be aware of the
- 20:59temperament of your judge and and have backup plans for backup
- 21:02plans with the defendant's case. Usually the defendant's case is
- 21:06much shorter than the plaintiff's case.
- 21:09That's oftentimes because most of the witnesses that they might
- 21:12have called, you've already called under 776 as an adverse
- 21:16witness. The defense sometimes will ask
- 21:19for the courtesy of having their expert go out of order because
- 21:23of challenges with schedule. We try to be professional and we
- 21:26try to be courteous and where it will not harm the flow of our
- 21:30case, we will allow something like that.
- 21:34There can sometimes be challenges for this.
- 21:36We would not want the defendant's neuropsychologist to
- 21:40be the first witness in the trial because there's no other
- 21:45time for that that witness to go.
- 21:47That's where we would say I'm so sorry, but you may need to play
- 21:49a videotape deposition or read it on the rebuttal witnesses
- 21:54front after the defense rests their case done a lot of trials.
- 22:00I know rebuttal witnesses exist. I have yet to have been in a
- 22:03case where a rebuttal witness has been has been necessary and
- 22:08I should go back for a second. After plaintiff's case in chief,
- 22:11the defense will often times move for a directed verdict, you
- 22:13know, and usually the court will just, it will be an oral motion
- 22:17and the court will deny it as a matter of, of of course, on rare
- 22:23occasion they may ask for briefing.
- 22:25If you have a judge where you think that's going to be a case,
- 22:27just think about staffing your trial appropriately so that
- 22:30you've got some research support so that you're not trying to
- 22:35oppose a motion for directed verdict.
- 22:38At the same time that the you will need to be preparing your
- 22:44cross examination of the defendant's witnesses for the
- 22:46next day. Closing, closing.
- 22:50We do try and build around the verdict form and we tried to
- 22:55make it persuasive, we tried to make it compelling.
- 22:57We tried to tell a story, stick to a theme and and what we
- 23:01really want to do is arm our jurors with evidence and
- 23:07citations to the evidence. When somebody in the jury room
- 23:10says that it's not the defendant's fault, here are the
- 23:13things you can show to them to help them understand.
- 23:16Because your jurors are in essence your your counsel, the
- 23:22ones who are friendly to your side, you want to help them be
- 23:26the best advocates possible in the jury room.
- 23:28That comes from building that closing around the verdict form.
- 23:32Then comes the the hardest part of the case for for many lawyers
- 23:35I know for me, which is deliberation.
- 23:37So whether it's an hour or a day or a week, you sit there, you
- 23:44sit there with your client, you watch the jury go in, you watch
- 23:47the jury go out. And at some point, and it's
- 23:50always at a point where you're not quite expecting it, you'll
- 23:52get a buzz or a phone call or the bailiff will spot you and
- 23:57say verdict. And then your heart shoots up to
- 24:00the back of your throat. I've done this many times.
- 24:03It is never done anything different.
- 24:05And you gather your client, you go in, you wait to hear what the
- 24:08jury has said. Regardless of what the verdict
- 24:12is. We tell our clients to try to be
- 24:16as expression neutral as possible.
- 24:19No cheering, no crying, no screaming, no fist bumping, just
- 24:26an acknowledgement that the verdict has come in.
- 24:30The judge will ask if the jury, if you'd like to pull the jury.
- 24:33We always pull the jury. We pull the jury because we want
- 24:35to know which jurors were in our favor, which jurors were
- 24:38against. That's an area where it can
- 24:41become very useful if one is going to need to work on a
- 24:46motion for new trial because one is unhappy with the outcome, or
- 24:49if one is going to worry about the defense working on a mission
- 24:52for new trial and you want to help preserve the verdict.
- 24:55So getting that polling done is helpful.
- 24:58The the other piece that that's not listed here on trial phase
- 25:02is chatting with jurors. Often times after the case is
- 25:07done, the judge will let the council go out and talk in the
- 25:10hall. This is the best focus group
- 25:14that one could ever have. It's where one can get feedback
- 25:17on what was useful, what was not useful, what worked, what didn't
- 25:21work, and one can start seeing where there may be issues in the
- 25:26case should there be a motion for for new trial.
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