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Ryan Cabrera · Caught on the Mike...

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  SPEAKER_00: Disclaimer The views and opinions expressed in this program are those of the speakers and do not necessarily reflect the views or positions of any entity today represent.
• 0:11
  SPEAKER_00: Let's interdiction is advised.
• 0:53
  SPEAKER_00: We talked about 264 into something else.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's honest, it's insightful, and yeah, we still found time to laugh.
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  SPEAKER_00: Ladies and gentlemen, this is Caught on the Mike.
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  SPEAKER_00: Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to another exciting episode of Caught on the Mic.
• 1:18
  SPEAKER_00: It is so hard to believe that 2004 is officially drinking age.
• 1:23
  SPEAKER_00: I hate to remind myself of that fact every single day, but I do.
• 1:28
  SPEAKER_00: But 2004 was the year that my space broke out.
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  SPEAKER_00: Reality TV was dominating MTV, and my next guest had a badass single that you can still hear on the radio pretty much non-stop on the way down.
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  SPEAKER_00: My friend, my new friend, Ryan Cabrera joins me on the podcast today.
• 1:49
  SPEAKER_00: How you doing, bro?
• 1:50
  SPEAKER_01: What's up, bro?
• 1:51
  SPEAKER_01: I'm doing great.
• 1:52
  SPEAKER_01: I just learned a lot of things right now.
• 1:53
  SPEAKER_01: I had no idea.
• 1:54
  SPEAKER_01: So when my first album came out, when you were born, if you were born that year, they can drink now legally.
• 2:00
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I know, right?
• 2:01
  SPEAKER_00: That's horrible to think about.
• 2:03
  SPEAKER_00: Well, yeah, it is what it is.
• 2:05
  SPEAKER_00: How are you doing with the age thing?
• 2:07
  SPEAKER_00: Because I'll be honest with you, bro.
• 2:08
  SPEAKER_00: I struggle with it day to day.
• 2:11
  SPEAKER_01: Well, you mean like my back or just like in general?
• 2:14
  SPEAKER_01: Mine, in my mind, like great.
• 2:17
  SPEAKER_01: You know, like I still, you know, I still I still feel like I'm 18 years old.
• 2:21
  SPEAKER_01: Now, when I get out of bed, the body, not so much.
• 2:25
  SPEAKER_01: Mine, they're young, young, youthful, energetic, loving life.
• 2:30
  SPEAKER_01: The body, not so much.
• 2:32
  SPEAKER_01: I pulled my groin in my sleep two times so far, uh, like a uh uh maybe like six months a year ago, and I I couldn't walk.
• 2:39
  SPEAKER_01: And of course, your friends are like, dude, what'd you do?
• 2:41
  SPEAKER_01: I'm like, I got out of bed.
• 2:44
  SPEAKER_01: I got out of bed.
• 2:45
  SPEAKER_01: But you know, you power through, you just get used to it.
• 2:48
  SPEAKER_01: At this point, you just get used to it, and you just roll with it and be like, shit, I'm alive, so cares.
• 2:54
  SPEAKER_00: Well, we were talking before uh we pressed record.
• 2:57
  SPEAKER_00: You went and saw my chem.
• 2:59
  SPEAKER_00: Was it last night or two nights ago?
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  SPEAKER_00: That was uh two nights ago.
• 3:03
  SPEAKER_00: My chemical romance, funny story.
• 3:06
  SPEAKER_00: I saw them the first time live in 2004, and it was in a club.
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  SPEAKER_00: They did some all ages show.
• 3:13
  SPEAKER_00: It was the last minute date.
• 3:15
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, they had an off day from the Nintendo Fusion Tour that year.
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  SPEAKER_00: So last minute booking, less than a hundred people there.
• 3:24
  SPEAKER_00: Um, my friends and I were the only people in the bar section because we were the only ones old enough to drink, but man, it was phenomenal.
• 3:32
  SPEAKER_00: What was it like seeing them two days ago?
• 3:35
  SPEAKER_01: Dude, that was I'm I'm I'm making a bold statement.
• 3:38
  SPEAKER_01: And just that was one of like the top.
• 3:41
  SPEAKER_01: So I've seen so many shows, you know, in my life, and that's that's up there with the top, like one of the top shows I've ever seen.
• 3:50
  SPEAKER_01: It's just such a from the everything is so thought out and so just like more than just a concert, you know.
• 3:59
  SPEAKER_01: Um obviously it's so cool to see it in a small club.
• 4:01
  SPEAKER_01: I saw them way back in the day when I was doing I was doing this small place in Jersey, I think called Starlin Ballroom.
• 4:07
  SPEAKER_01: Um, and it was just so cool to see just like the way you saw it, but the spectacle of just on an entertainment level, like it doesn't get much better.
• 4:16
  SPEAKER_01: It's one of those shows, like, even if you don't know every song, you know, like if you bring some friends, you know damn well they're gonna have a good time, guaranteed, no matter whether you know they know every song or they're just you know have heard of my chem, it didn't matter.
• 4:30
  SPEAKER_01: Uh yeah, it gives me goosebumps he would talk about it.
• 4:33
  SPEAKER_00: It was that good.
• 4:34
  SPEAKER_00: Well, and they they did the Jay-Z thing.
• 4:36
  SPEAKER_00: Well, the if Jay-Z would have stuck to it, like they walked away while they were on top.
• 4:43
  SPEAKER_00: So like their return is just blowing people's minds, you know.
• 4:47
  SPEAKER_00: I I know that the pandemic kind of threw a little bit of a hiccup in that because they were allegedly working on new music at the time, and then you know things got convoluted.
• 4:56
  SPEAKER_00: That's just the music business.
• 4:58
  SPEAKER_00: But yeah, man, that's crazy stuff.
• 4:59
  SPEAKER_01: Well, it's a great it's a great one to have back, and it was just such a treat just to get to go at all.
• 5:05
  SPEAKER_00: So, as a performer yourself, what is your relationship with going to live music these days?
• 5:11
  SPEAKER_00: I know I made a personal resolution this year, like early this spring, where I'm like, you know what?
• 5:17
  SPEAKER_00: It's been forever since I've gone to live shows.
• 5:19
  SPEAKER_00: So I was getting very intentional about going and seeing live music again this year.
• 5:24
  SPEAKER_01: It's one of those things that where you say, like, okay, where you where do you want to spend your money on?
• 5:29
  SPEAKER_01: You know, like live shows for me is like I'll spend every dollar I have.
• 5:33
  SPEAKER_01: There's, you know, for me, live shows, and then I'm a big theater guy.
• 5:37
  SPEAKER_01: Like I love uh Broadway shows, musicals, all that kind of stuff.
• 5:41
  SPEAKER_01: So experiences like that is as you get older, you realize like, and I'm sure there's sure tons of younger people in Hooter now actually like spending more money than they ever have that they've made on going to live shows because you realize that you can't get that through a screen, you know?
• 5:57
  SPEAKER_01: It's just not the same.
• 5:58
  SPEAKER_01: And we did what we had to do, obviously during COVID to survive in a you know, in a business that's tough to even make money in the first place.
• 6:05
  SPEAKER_01: But just getting out there and going, uh, I kind of did the same thing as you.
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  SPEAKER_01: Me and my wife, like, that's you know, one of the things that we love.
• 6:11
  SPEAKER_01: Like we both love music so much, so we love going to concerts together.
• 6:14
  SPEAKER_01: So that's one of those, you know, no-brainers.
• 6:17
  SPEAKER_01: Like, if there's a show, it doesn't matter how much it is, we're gonna figure out a way.
• 6:20
  SPEAKER_01: We'll we'll I'll not go out to eat for two weeks, save the money to go see that show.
• 6:26
  SPEAKER_00: Hell yes.
• 6:27
  SPEAKER_00: Hell yes.
• 6:28
  SPEAKER_00: Well, let's talk a little bit.
• 6:30
  SPEAKER_00: You've got not one, but two anniversary editions of On the Way Down that came out this year.
• 6:37
  SPEAKER_00: Let's talk about the one that came out earlier this year.
• 6:40
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, the collaboration with like AJ McLean, Joey Fatone, Taylor Hanson.
• 6:44
  SPEAKER_00: Whoa, was on that track?
• 6:46
  SPEAKER_00: That's like a who's who.
• 6:47
  SPEAKER_01: Well, it started with Nick uh from Walk the Moon.
• 6:50
  SPEAKER_01: He was uh the first friend of mine to get on it.
• 6:53
  SPEAKER_01: And uh what what actually started as just you know, it was 20th anniversary, what are we gonna do?
• 6:58
  SPEAKER_01: Um I was in the studio already working on some other stuff, and I'm like, dude, it would be really cool with, you know, I was at the producer, and I'm like, would you want to do like a different version of On the Way Down?
• 7:06
  SPEAKER_01: Um, just kind of make it like you know, modern.
• 7:10
  SPEAKER_01: But uh the hardest part about like when we were trying to tackle that was like we didn't want to take away from why the song was, you know, popular in the first place, so you can't like lose the feel because we were all over the place.
• 7:23
  SPEAKER_01: Like, do we do an EDM for the floor version?
• 7:25
  SPEAKER_01: Do we we gotta do something different?
• 7:27
  SPEAKER_01: And then it just was getting so far away from I think why people loved it that we kind of we we honed it back, sped it up a little bit, updated the production, brought in some new drums, got rhythmic, and then uh to really top it off.
• 7:39
  SPEAKER_01: Uh I invited Nick over to the studio and he did his like walk the moon thing, uh, where it kind of took it to a different level of so at the very beginning, like the first voice you hear is Nick from Walk the Moon in such a walk the moon manner that you're like, damn, that's like if Walk the Moon did on the way down, and then that kind of set the tone for the rest of it.
• 7:59
  SPEAKER_01: And then uh me and AJ happened to be golfing uh that day, and I was like, dude, what are you doing later?
• 8:04
  SPEAKER_01: You want to come by a studio?
• 8:05
  SPEAKER_01: This may or may not work, I don't know, you know, and that kind of set the bar, but it kind of it's where we are uh in the music business today is that you can have collabs with somebody from this genre, somebody from this genre, and it it's starting to work versus like you know, back in the day, you'd be like, Oh, you can't collab with that person, that's that's too outside the box, you know, like that that'll never work.
• 8:27
  SPEAKER_01: Um, but but you know, and labels were in that mindset back then, and things have changed now uh it for the better.
• 8:33
  SPEAKER_01: And we can have you know Hot Shell Ray, you know, my buddy Nash, you know, jumped on it, and Joey Fertone from InSync, and then AJ for Backstreet, you have those two, and then Drake Bell, you know, who you know started Nickelodeon, and then obviously Taylor Hansen, you know, it's and what's cool about it for me was um we're all actual friends, uh, and then and I'm actual like I'm a fan of all these different people, so it was really special for me to take a song that was the start of my career, um, and really what kicked off everything, and and and kind of pay, you know, bring everybody in on one cool collaboration that'll you know, I it I I highly doubt all those people will be on one song ever again.
• 9:15
  SPEAKER_01: If it ever happens, I won't be alive for it.
• 9:18
  SPEAKER_01: But uh you know what I'm saying?
• 9:20
  SPEAKER_01: Like there's there's there's one song that has just just those people on it, and it came together and it it sounds uh like legit, like if that came out today, like this would be a cool version.
• 9:31
  SPEAKER_01: It wasn't like a we're trying to be something that we're not.
• 9:34
  SPEAKER_01: So that was I think what was was dope about that collaboration.
• 9:38
  SPEAKER_01: And uh everybody's I think taste is growing and and getting eclectic enough to where you're like, dude, I love rock music, but I also dude, to be to be honest, I love the Baxtery boy, you know, and then you know, versus back in the day, it was you couldn't you couldn't like you know my chemical romance at Baxtery fan, but now you see like there's a crossover of people be like, I just like what I like, you know.
• 10:01
  SPEAKER_01: I like boy bands, I also I like pop music, I like rock music, I like jazz music, I like a little bit of everything, you know.
• 10:07
  SPEAKER_01: I started in I was my first passion for music was like metal.
• 10:12
  SPEAKER_01: I was like into Pantera, Biohazard, and 311, you know, like those are not the three of those metal, but you know, like the like the real hardcore, you know, early, early incubus, like science days and stuff like that, and Green Day, like back in the day, like the plunk days, and and then when I came out as an acoustic, you know, act, those fans of like those bands would be like dude Ryan Kabir away, you know, whatever I could, you know, what um that kind of thing.
• 10:40
  SPEAKER_01: But now those same people are like would be like, dude, Ryan Kaburr's kind of dope, you know, but hopefully, uh, versus you couldn't say that back in the day.
• 10:48
  SPEAKER_01: And now it's it's such a cool world that we can kind of all be like, dude, we just like music.
• 10:53
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, whether you love it, love it, love it or not, but it's like, no, I just love music.
• 10:57
  SPEAKER_00: Dude, that is so funny because that kind of puts on the track this uh, you know, similar conversation.
• 11:02
  SPEAKER_00: Ironically, I had with Nick Hexum from 311 just last month, where you know, lines are kind of genre lines are borderless now.
• 11:12
  SPEAKER_00: And you know, that's one of the things you can talk shit on streaming all day long, but I think that's one of the benefits of streaming and this younger generation.
• 11:21
  SPEAKER_00: They don't look at music genre-wise and they don't make genres their identity anymore.
• 11:26
  SPEAKER_00: Music is just music, and it's always been that way for musicians such as yourself and myself.
• 11:32
  SPEAKER_00: Like, we've always looked at it borderless, but it's always been the industry that's like pick a lane, stay in that lane, don't divert away from said lane.
• 11:41
  SPEAKER_01: Now they don't have that option to tell you what you you know kind of can't and can't put up.
• 11:45
  SPEAKER_01: I my third album ended up being an indie album because when I turned it in, it was more of a rock album.
• 11:50
  SPEAKER_01: I went out to London and wrote a lot out there and kind of took a different turn from what I was doing and just kind of wanted to evolve and try some things that I grew up kind of listening to, but still with, you know, I still write in the music and still pop at the end of the day, but with more of like a rock sound.
• 12:07
  SPEAKER_01: And when I turned it into the label, they were like, dude, this is a hit record.
• 12:11
  SPEAKER_01: And I was like, hell yeah, let's go.
• 12:12
  SPEAKER_01: And they go, but for somebody else.
• 12:15
  SPEAKER_01: I was like, what do you mean for somebody else?
• 12:17
  SPEAKER_01: Like, I wrote it and this is me.
• 12:19
  SPEAKER_01: They're like, Yeah, no one's gonna believe that.
• 12:21
  SPEAKER_01: They're like, Well, that's not it was like that in that your job, or like who can, you know, who cares?
• 12:26
  SPEAKER_01: Like, it it is me.
• 12:27
  SPEAKER_01: I'm writing the music.
• 12:28
  SPEAKER_01: I wrote this, I listened to all kinds of shit, so I want to put out some different kinds of stuff to to to explore that.
• 12:35
  SPEAKER_01: And then that was when it turned into an indie album because they're like, Yeah, we're not putting that out.
• 12:40
  SPEAKER_01: I'm like, well, there's no way I'm not not putting that out.
• 12:43
  SPEAKER_01: So uh got dropped from that and then had to put it out myself because I was like, I have to put this out there.
• 12:48
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, yes.
• 12:48
  SPEAKER_00: What's funny is one of the first people that kind of gave his blessing to like to the rock crowd that it's okay to like pop music and other stuff was Chino Moreno from the Deft Tones.
• 13:01
  SPEAKER_00: Like, there was a fantastic article in 2003 where Alternative Press was asking Chino Moreno what his favorite albums were that year, and top of his list was Justin Timberlake's Justified, and that was like fresh off, you know, you're friends with some of the guys, like that was fresh off the in sync split, and so like people didn't know how to interpret Justin as a solo artist, but to get that blessing from Chino, like it told a lot of rock guys to like cut the shit, it's good music, just appreciate it for you.
• 13:34
  SPEAKER_01: Like you like it, you don't have to be hard all the time, dude.
• 13:36
  SPEAKER_01: I remember uh being out like in you know, like right around probably 2005, 2006.
• 13:42
  SPEAKER_01: Um, you know, in in my music was considered for me, I was always a singer-songwriter.
• 13:47
  SPEAKER_01: Um and you know, it still is if you go listen to it, it's not like pop is such a you know word that back then you used the word pop, and it was like you were you know dancing on stage, and you know, you were manufactured and someone else is writing all your music.
• 14:00
  SPEAKER_01: I was like, I'm writing all my own music, and if you go look at it, you know, it was what it was, but I was considered you know a full-on pop artist because you know I had the spiky hair and you know the clean cut look.
• 14:11
  SPEAKER_01: It was doing tiger beat and all this shit, but the stuff that the you know the labels having you do, uh, but you just you're rolling with it, whatever.
• 14:18
  SPEAKER_01: But monkey from corn uh stops me in the in a cloud, like a small cloud, it was called Goldfinger at the time, and was like, dude, I love your stuff, uh you know, whatever.
• 14:29
  SPEAKER_01: Like, let's exchange numbers.
• 14:30
  SPEAKER_01: And I'm like, Did that what the fuck just happened right there?
• 14:35
  SPEAKER_01: Because you know, corn, you know, telling me that he he digged my stuff.
• 14:39
  SPEAKER_01: I was like, the fact that he even knows who I am or has even heard it, you know, for me was everything because I, you know, grew up, you know, obsessed with corn.
• 14:46
  SPEAKER_01: And so that was like a big deal.
• 14:48
  SPEAKER_01: I was like, dude, what a badass that you know he just like I dig your shit, bro.
• 14:53
  SPEAKER_01: So like hell yeah.
• 14:55
  SPEAKER_01: That would that for me was like a okay, I made it, you know, in my own head.
• 14:59
  SPEAKER_01: Like I don't care about anything else.
• 15:01
  SPEAKER_01: Like somebody who I idle at, you know, it was crazy.
• 15:04
  SPEAKER_00: Well, that's a good segue to the second collaboration of the redo of On the Way Down.
• 15:11
  SPEAKER_00: You're teaming up with Light Ghosts for Driving rock-infused version of the song.
• 15:16
  SPEAKER_00: How did that unexpected collaboration come about and what made it feel like the right move right now?
• 15:23
  SPEAKER_01: Well, so I had somebody sent it to me.
• 15:27
  SPEAKER_01: Like Light Ghost did a version of On the Way Down that just blew my ugly head.
• 15:33
  SPEAKER_01: It was I go, what the hell is that?
• 15:36
  SPEAKER_01: Like, not even it was almost like the first time I was hearing the song without me singing it so I could like it, you know.
• 15:46
  SPEAKER_01: You know, I was like, this is a dope ass song.
• 15:48
  SPEAKER_01: In in that version.
• 15:50
  SPEAKER_01: I'm like, if that was on rock radio, like that would that would could potentially be a huge hit.
• 15:56
  SPEAKER_01: Um and it's the first time I really thought that way.
• 15:59
  SPEAKER_01: And so we reached out to him.
• 16:00
  SPEAKER_01: I was like, dude, I don't know what y'all's deal is, but I would love to get in the studio and work on a version together of you know how you guys, you know, envisioned it, because my mind would never have gone there.
• 16:13
  SPEAKER_01: And it's right, it's you know, it's almost like if you're a fan of like 30 seconds to Mars, you know, and you you love like that kind of style, it's like that's almost what it was.
• 16:23
  SPEAKER_01: And then uh went in, did some vocals, and they crushed it, and we got to do some shows together.
• 16:29
  SPEAKER_01: And uh dude, I was like, finally, I can send this to so I I got with a buddy of mine, Johnny Damon, who's like huge into rock.
• 16:37
  SPEAKER_01: So when we golf, right, he just blasts rock music.
• 16:41
  SPEAKER_01: So it's it's it's really hard to get you know hit a uh hit a 10-foot chip when uh you know he's blasting the you know the the the loudest music ever, but it's fun.
• 16:52
  SPEAKER_01: He blasts it from his golf bag, it's crazy.
• 16:54
  SPEAKER_01: Uh but I was like, finally, dude, Johnny, I gotta collab.
• 16:58
  SPEAKER_01: We're doing a rock version of On the Way Down to celebrate the 20th anniversary, and I sent it to him, and he was like, This is I'm gonna play this one at golf.
• 17:05
  SPEAKER_01: I was like, that was the stamp of approval for me.
• 17:07
  SPEAKER_01: Uh was getting his blessing on that one because you know who he loves.
• 17:12
  SPEAKER_00: Oh my gosh, I love that.
• 17:14
  SPEAKER_00: So back speaking of which, so back in high school, does this kind of take you back a little bit?
• 17:20
  SPEAKER_00: Because you had a punk band called Kane in high school, didn't you?
• 17:24
  SPEAKER_01: We yeah, we lasted one show.
• 17:26
  SPEAKER_01: We lasted one show.
• 17:28
  SPEAKER_01: We we we signed up me and my brother, is who was kind of like my brother kind of got me into being in a band because he we'd have these drums, so we both kind of started on the drums, and then I'd kind of dabbled on the guitar, and he kind of threw me in there.
• 17:42
  SPEAKER_01: I was like, yo, we're gonna start band, you're gonna be a singer, and I'm like, I don't sing.
• 17:47
  SPEAKER_01: He's like, you do now.
• 17:49
  SPEAKER_01: So that's kind of just turned into like alright, I'm the singer band.
• 17:51
  SPEAKER_01: We signed up for a battle of the bands at SMU in Taos, Texas.
• 17:55
  SPEAKER_01: We didn't have like any lyrics or anything.
• 17:59
  SPEAKER_01: I just kind of made that shit up, and um we did not win the Battle of the Bands, and we broke up shortly after.
• 18:06
  SPEAKER_01: Um after many, many rehearsals, that one show kind of did us in.
• 18:10
  SPEAKER_01: We're like, yeah, maybe this isn't our thing.
• 18:12
  SPEAKER_01: So then after that, I formed another band and then eventually went solo.
• 18:16
  SPEAKER_00: I'm huge into the singer-songwriter thing.
• 18:18
  SPEAKER_00: Uh my my favorite right now is Gregory Allen Isaac.
• 18:22
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know if you've listened to him much, but I haven't heard I'll take it out for sure.
• 18:25
  SPEAKER_00: He's from Colorado.
• 18:27
  SPEAKER_00: But, you know, when you kind of think back to your singer-songwriter roots, who were some of your influences whenever you were really kind of starting to break through in the early 2000s?
• 18:39
  SPEAKER_01: Um I would say like Paul Simon was a big one.
• 18:44
  SPEAKER_01: Um, Dave Matthews was the reason why I picked up the acoustic guitar.
• 18:48
  SPEAKER_01: Um, because I was playing electric, obviously in those bands and stuff.
• 18:51
  SPEAKER_01: And then when I saw Dave play, that was kind of who blew my mind.
• 18:55
  SPEAKER_01: I was like, what is that?
• 18:56
  SPEAKER_01: How is he doing it?
• 18:57
  SPEAKER_01: I've never even looked at the guitar, you know, that way.
• 19:00
  SPEAKER_01: I was just rocking power chords at the time.
• 19:03
  SPEAKER_01: And then when I saw his hands like doing the claw and like all that crazy stuff, I was like, dude, I gotta figure that out.
• 19:09
  SPEAKER_01: And so then I just started watching him, and that turned that that turned like you know, an A chord into like this, you know.
• 19:16
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, those complex jazz chords and such.
• 19:19
  SPEAKER_01: Yep.
• 19:20
  SPEAKER_01: So yeah, once I heard that, and it uh that that that took me to a different lane of where I was gonna go.
• 19:27
  SPEAKER_00: Whenever you were writing in the early days, because I know it's probably morphed in different directions over time.
• 19:34
  SPEAKER_00: Were you somebody that had a story and you composed lyrics first and then you wrote the music afterwards, or did you compose the music first and then just write in the beginning I didn't even have any lyrics.
• 19:47
  SPEAKER_01: I just I had the music and I would just go play shows.
• 19:50
  SPEAKER_01: I just wanted to be live, I wanted to play live.
• 19:52
  SPEAKER_01: Never even wrote any lyrics.
• 19:53
  SPEAKER_01: Every so every show I would play, the lyrics would change.
• 19:58
  SPEAKER_01: So I was just making that stuff up every time.
• 20:00
  SPEAKER_01: I'd have like little ideas and then they just evolve and evolve and evolve, and then eventually it turn into a song.
• 20:06
  SPEAKER_01: But then when it was time to like, all right, I'm gonna move to LA, like I'm gonna go sing for record labels, that kind of thing, then it was like, all right, now I'm gonna, you know, kind of write about my life and what was actually happening versus just writing to write.
• 20:20
  SPEAKER_01: Because you know, when you're young, sometimes you just you just write stuff that sounds cool, and you're like, all right, well that sounds good here, and this could this rhymes with that, versus like, all right, here's what's actually happening in my life.
• 20:32
  SPEAKER_01: What's like a what's a good way to say it that people might relate to it?
• 20:36
  SPEAKER_01: And then it evolved into that.
• 20:38
  SPEAKER_01: So at at some point it it was just lyrics and then turned into music.
• 20:43
  SPEAKER_01: So what awesome.
• 20:45
  SPEAKER_00: Did you lean a lot into life experience?
• 20:48
  SPEAKER_00: I did.
• 20:48
  SPEAKER_01: Whenever you did really kind of start that whole first album was all stuff that was happening to me when I was 19 and 20 years old, and uh and then eventually, like, you know, there's some songs where that just were ideas of like, okay, I'm right, like this actually didn't happen to me, but like I had an idea like I'd have a dream or something or something cool that would happen, and then I'm like, oh, I should write about that.
• 21:11
  SPEAKER_01: That's that would be kind of cool.
• 21:13
  SPEAKER_01: Um so they're called professional, but they're they're you know real concepts, and then there's you know, most of the first album was pretty much stuff that happened.
• 21:23
  SPEAKER_00: It's it's pretty interesting how narratives shape up, isn't it?
• 21:26
  SPEAKER_00: Like, you know, I I did the band thing for like 15 years from like the mid-90s until 2010, and uh then I walked away from it.
• 21:35
  SPEAKER_00: But uh but I look at some of my earlier material versus some of my later material, and you know, over time, whenever I walked away from it, I knew my sincerity wasn't in the same place and my heart wasn't in the same place.
• 21:50
  SPEAKER_00: But I looked at my lyrical content in the early days, and there was a part of me after it was all said and done where I was just like, I wish at the end of my rope.
• 22:00
  SPEAKER_00: I wasn't as sincere as I was when I started out.
• 22:04
  SPEAKER_00: Did you ever have a moment of an inflection point like that?
• 22:08
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, for sure.
• 22:09
  SPEAKER_01: I mean the the the difference is sometimes sometimes we almost experienced too much, you know.
• 22:16
  SPEAKER_01: But you'll you'll you'll you'll look at like the beginning stuff and you're like I you thought you knew everything, you know, and then you look at your later stuff, you're like, oh, if I could that person could tell that person that, then I would have wrote it completely different.
• 22:30
  SPEAKER_01: But you know, there's I think a time and place for all of it.
• 22:33
  SPEAKER_01: Um just living and learning, and uh yeah, it's it's hard to to figure out what's right, you know.
• 22:40
  SPEAKER_01: Like like we say, like if it's if it's honest, um even if you're telling the story, you know, as as as long as it's honest, I think you know, people relate to it.
• 22:50
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, yes.
• 22:51
  SPEAKER_00: And speaking of which, one of your more recent singles, a song called Worth It, was written for your wife.
• 22:56
  SPEAKER_00: Most people know her as WWE's Alexa Bliss.
• 23:00
  SPEAKER_00: How is that relationship and you guys recently, you know, within the past couple of years becoming parents, how has that influenced your music and your writing style?
• 23:10
  SPEAKER_01: Well, so like like to your point, what you say a little bit before, like you know, so at one point you were, you know, writing just to write, and you don't know if it was the most authentic or sincere and stuff.
• 23:20
  SPEAKER_01: So like I had I had a period where there was like two years where I just couldn't write, you know, and it was like it wasn't like writer's book.
• 23:29
  SPEAKER_01: I just I was like, I have I have nothing to write about, and I don't really want to write to just to write at the time.
• 23:34
  SPEAKER_01: Now, unless you're like, okay, hey, I need to put something out or I'm gonna write for somebody else.
• 23:38
  SPEAKER_01: Then it's like, all right, I'll write to write because I enjoy it.
• 23:41
  SPEAKER_01: But I just wasn't inspired.
• 23:43
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, you know, and uh once I met her, that was like, I gotta get in the studio, I gotta go write a song.
• 23:50
  SPEAKER_01: And then I went to the to with the producer and I was like, boom, that that song, I was like, okay, it's back.
• 23:58
  SPEAKER_01: You know, the crazy I have something to write about.
• 24:00
  SPEAKER_01: I have a muse, you know, I have uh ideas now, things, you know, there was always ideas in the back of my head, but then certain things I'm like, okay, now this works.
• 24:08
  SPEAKER_01: Um this works for that.
• 24:10
  SPEAKER_01: I'm actually feeling that now.
• 24:12
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, and that's where where worth it kind of was born, and then that was the very beginning of our relationship, and then eventually turned into exactly what I had expected it to turn into from writing that song.
• 24:22
  SPEAKER_01: Because I wrote that song, uh, and it's a it's a pretty deep song, but that you would think would be about someone that you've been with for 10 years, but I kind of knew at the beginning what that relationship was going to be, and then the song just wrote itself, and then it was our you know wedding song, and it came true.
• 24:44
  SPEAKER_01: So, so today, my favorite song I've ever written.
• 24:48
  SPEAKER_00: Ah, I love that.
• 24:49
  SPEAKER_00: I love that.
• 24:50
  SPEAKER_00: I think as creatives, we tend to like look at relationships and look at our time value like in such a big way.
• 25:00
  SPEAKER_00: Like, time is that one thing that if you give somebody your time, you know you're never gonna get it back.
• 25:07
  SPEAKER_00: So, as a creative, we kind of look at that as a creative construct too.
• 25:11
  SPEAKER_00: So, like, if you just know, you know, and it sounds like you knew, and so you just kind of leaned into it.
• 25:18
  SPEAKER_00: 100%.
• 25:19
  SPEAKER_00: And that's great when you're writing too, because it's like you gotta lean into it.
• 25:23
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, yes.
• 25:24
  SPEAKER_00: So, how has fatherhood influenced that?
• 25:27
  SPEAKER_01: Oh man, that's all that's a whole nother level.
• 25:30
  SPEAKER_01: Anybody that's a parent knows you know, there's and there's you know, even with that, there's the up just like a relationship, there's the ups and downs, and there's the times where you know you would love to say, like, you know, I I love everything about this, but then there's the real the one thing as great as we do is is look at the side that may not be the the side that you want to always portray and be like, this is great all the time.
• 25:53
  SPEAKER_01: You know, the truth is it is the best thing that's ever happened to you, and you love that that like you've never loved anything in your entire life.
• 26:01
  SPEAKER_01: But I always like tend to look at the the other moments that's like, okay, this is a real feeling, and it's it's tough and it is hard, and it's like, okay, maybe there's something in there, there's art in that as well.
• 26:14
  SPEAKER_01: So I was always looking at in that aspect as far as the creative, you know, music world goes.
• 26:20
  SPEAKER_01: And then there's the the the part that's easy to write about, which is how much you love that, you know, child, and that it's a love like no other love.
• 26:29
  SPEAKER_01: And um I have you know some of those as well.
• 26:33
  SPEAKER_01: Um, but it changes, it changes, you know, obviously the way you look at everything.
• 26:38
  SPEAKER_01: The second you had that kid, the second that kid was born, the way you look at life from that moment on will never be the same.
• 26:45
  SPEAKER_01: And so that that just changes you as a writer as well.
• 26:48
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, but so but you know, for the for the most part, it's been nothing but amazing.
• 26:53
  SPEAKER_01: It's been as as good as it could possibly be.
• 26:57
  SPEAKER_01: For me, I'm a very, very lucky parent and man.
• 27:00
  SPEAKER_01: Um, but for the you know, first six months it was tough.
• 27:03
  SPEAKER_01: I was there was there was things that like I was thinking that I'm like, I've never thought like that before.
• 27:08
  SPEAKER_01: You know, I was getting agitated from the no sleep and you know, all that kind of stuff.
• 27:12
  SPEAKER_01: And I'm like, who is this person?
• 27:13
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know who this is right now.
• 27:15
  SPEAKER_01: And um luckily, you know, now at this point it's gotten into a groove and it's got easier.
• 27:22
  SPEAKER_01: And uh, but like any parent knows, especially the first one, like fucking rough for a bit.
• 27:30
  SPEAKER_00: That's where the uh the air mask from the airplane theory comes into play.
• 27:35
  SPEAKER_00: Like, you know, put it on you first.
• 27:37
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it's like you gotta put that air mask on yourself first, because if you're not taking care of yourself, you're no fucking good to them kids.
• 27:44
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 27:45
  SPEAKER_01: But you don't know, you don't know your first time.
• 27:47
  SPEAKER_01: It's like all you're thinking is just I just want this thing to survive.
• 27:51
  SPEAKER_01: Like, I don't know what the hell we did without the internet or just looking shit up.
• 27:54
  SPEAKER_01: I'm like, can I give her this?
• 27:57
  SPEAKER_01: No, I was like, damn, because I was about to.
• 27:59
  SPEAKER_01: Oh shit.
• 28:00
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 28:00
  SPEAKER_01: Which, you know, I'm sure a lot of it is a little bit extended of what the reality, but it's like, absolutely not.
• 28:09
  SPEAKER_01: I was like, damn, I was about to give her water, I didn't know.
• 28:13
  SPEAKER_00: You know, yeah, dude.
• 28:14
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, but the thing is, is that as parents, we're all always learning, also, and it's like and you're gonna fuck up, you're gonna make mistakes.
• 28:23
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and show like where you learn your best lessons, right?
• 28:27
  SPEAKER_00: We're all trying our best.
• 28:29
  SPEAKER_01: But I I'm I'm I'm so lucky because I I don't I don't I'm not biased at all, but I do have the coolest fucking kid in the world.
• 28:36
  SPEAKER_01: She doesn't even talk yet, and she's already the coolest fucking kid in the world.
• 28:39
  SPEAKER_00: She's not even talking, she's the nephew, but damn, she's awesome.
• 28:44
  SPEAKER_00: Dad, I love that.
• 28:45
  SPEAKER_00: I will tell you, I just my my daughter, my firstborn, just graduated high school, and I've got twin stepdaughters, and they also just graduated high school.
• 28:54
  SPEAKER_00: Damn.
• 28:55
  SPEAKER_00: All at the same time.
• 28:56
  SPEAKER_00: So and they go to different schools, and I was like, oh yeah, yeah, but I I you want to talk about being an emotional wreck of a man.
• 29:04
  SPEAKER_00: It's like you you only experience that twice, or uh you probably do at their wedding too, but like when they're born, when they graduate high school, and when they get married, holy shit, I've got two of the three out of the way.
• 29:16
  SPEAKER_00: Oh my gosh.
• 29:16
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I'm I'm already an emotional wreck just in life.
• 29:20
  SPEAKER_01: I'm I'm such a wolf.
• 29:22
  SPEAKER_01: I can't I can't have it.
• 29:23
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, from my mom, I cry at everything.
• 29:25
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, you and me both, dude.
• 29:26
  SPEAKER_00: You and me.
• 29:27
  SPEAKER_00: I know and I do that thing where I'm just like, no man, my eyes are just watering.
• 29:31
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, exactly.
• 29:32
  SPEAKER_01: My wife looks at me, I'll say it'll be it'll be like not even not even like the the cheesiest part of the you know, rom-com or whatever, but whatever it is.
• 29:41
  SPEAKER_01: And she's like, Are you are you crying?
• 29:44
  SPEAKER_01: Like, no, no, allergies.
• 29:47
  SPEAKER_01: It's like allergies.
• 29:49
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 29:49
  SPEAKER_00: And it doesn't have to be sad either.
• 29:51
  SPEAKER_00: It could be someone's being happy.
• 29:55
  SPEAKER_01: Happy moment, like it it'll get me.
• 29:58
  SPEAKER_01: And then she was so lucky, she's like, You didn't cry like that.
• 30:01
  SPEAKER_01: Uh you know what I told you this.
• 30:03
  SPEAKER_01: I'm like, I don't know.
• 30:05
  SPEAKER_00: I did cry in her way, you love well uh that that brings up a an another good segue.
• 30:12
  SPEAKER_00: Let's talk about your relationship with nostalgia.
• 30:16
  SPEAKER_00: You know, that's something that I've talked I've touched on on my show a lot over the past year specifically for some odd reason.
• 30:24
  SPEAKER_00: But what is your relationship with nostalgia like?
• 30:27
  SPEAKER_00: And do you feel it's healthy or do you feel it's unhealthy?
• 30:30
  SPEAKER_00: Because I have to ask myself that question.
• 30:32
  SPEAKER_01: Have you seen the movie Bidnight in Paris?
• 30:35
  SPEAKER_01: No.
• 30:36
  SPEAKER_01: You need to watch this movie, Mike.
• 30:38
  SPEAKER_01: Oh my god.
• 30:39
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, so this is exactly that kind of the the movie is basically about that.
• 30:46
  SPEAKER_01: It's like people's obsession with the past, and like, you know, is is that out there, or you know, or you know, it's are you living in the present?
• 30:54
  SPEAKER_01: Um I think as long as you have a balance of it, I mean the thing I'm a bad person to ask because I love old music.
• 31:04
  SPEAKER_01: You know, like when when when people interview us and they'll ask you, like, yo, what what do you like that's new?
• 31:10
  SPEAKER_01: And I'm like, I don't really know.
• 31:13
  SPEAKER_01: Because I still love like you know, the early 2000s music and even before that, you know, like I'm I listen to like now like 1940s and like 1950s music, and I love you know, like Walt Disney period and like what he loved and loved getting the history of all that.
• 31:27
  SPEAKER_01: Um so like I don't know, there's just something captivating maybe about a time or you know, a period that uh and there's obviously different nostalgias, but for me it's like the early, early days.
• 31:39
  SPEAKER_01: Like I'm captivated by like the 40s and the 50s and that kind of stuff.
• 31:43
  SPEAKER_01: Uh but if you're looking at like what I listen to musically, I'm still thinking like the early 2000s was or in the late 90s, early 2000s was some of the most iconic songs for me uh ever.
• 31:57
  SPEAKER_01: Obviously, there's you know the ones from the 70s and 60s, stuff like that.
• 32:00
  SPEAKER_01: But you know, when we go do our shows, people are loving seeing like the stuff that we used to wear back in the 2000s, and obviously there's been a resurgence, which is you know great because people are really like authentically, and there's a lot of people who didn't even know that that was from then.
• 32:20
  SPEAKER_01: They're just like wearing it now because they think like, oh, this is so now, you know, like the younger generation.
• 32:24
  SPEAKER_01: I'm like, hey, that was what I was wearing in 2004, like when you were born.
• 32:29
  SPEAKER_01: Um but I think it I think it's cool.
• 32:31
  SPEAKER_01: It's fun, you know.
• 32:32
  SPEAKER_01: It's it's uh it's it that was the the the vibe of that period was was fun.
• 32:40
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, very bright and colorful, and some will look at it and be like, that was ugly as hell.
• 32:45
  SPEAKER_01: What the hell are you doing?
• 32:46
  SPEAKER_01: Wearing puka shells.
• 32:46
  SPEAKER_01: I'm like, I don't know, that's kind of cool.
• 32:51
  SPEAKER_00: Oh man, phenomenal, phenomenal.
• 32:54
  SPEAKER_00: So let's talk a little bit about your philanthropy through performance.
• 32:57
  SPEAKER_00: You've done meaningful work through Live from Ryan's living room, raising money for children's hospitals.
• 33:03
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, I know in some of my non-podcast life space, I do a lot of fundraising for Children's Miracle Network.
• 33:11
  SPEAKER_00: Can you share a moment from those sections that last that left a lasting impact on you personally?
• 33:18
  SPEAKER_01: Well, the biggest ones are when you like go into the the hospital.
• 33:22
  SPEAKER_01: So there's a lot of there's a you know a company called Musicians on Call, where you know they have us go in, we perform.
• 33:29
  SPEAKER_01: Um so obviously doing you know, raising the money, doing the Life for Minds Loving, it's amazing.
• 33:34
  SPEAKER_01: It's so much fun, it's a good way to, you know, bring music into people's homes and then also raise money for a good cause, whatever that be.
• 33:42
  SPEAKER_01: Um, but when we were going in, you know, and when like I did a couple for Ryan Seacrest, where we'd go into like his, you know, places that he has the charity ones at, the children's hospitals, and performs like obviously 99% of the kids have no idea who you are.
• 33:59
  SPEAKER_01: They don't care.
• 34:00
  SPEAKER_01: You know, like their faces light up in a way when you sing to them, just the fact that they're like, somebody came to see me, you know, and and when you're in the room, like specific rooms, and there's kids that you know are going through way obviously way 20 million times harder stuff than what majority of people who are blessed enough to not be in a hospital go through, but have no complaints, happy as could be, just smiling from ear to ear, and just loving the fact that you're there and bringing that you get almost as much from them as as you're giving to them.
• 34:36
  SPEAKER_01: But there's I remember one girl who was you know had cancer and we we stayed in touch, and you know, we'd write all the time, and she'll still hit me and she sends me uh pictures and stuff of like this is my I'm cancer free now, so I stayed along with her journey, and that meant a lot to me.
• 34:54
  SPEAKER_01: And then, you know, now she'll uh she'll send me like updates like this is now year seven, you came to the hospital nine years ago, and I this, and this I'm seven years cancer free.
• 35:06
  SPEAKER_01: So like those moments, like they'll all never forget.
• 35:10
  SPEAKER_01: And which and it's tough going in there, you know, too, because you're going and you're some of these some of these kids are aren't gonna make it, and you know that.
• 35:17
  SPEAKER_01: So being in there is is a is is uh emotionally really tough sometimes, but you just do it.
• 35:23
  SPEAKER_01: You know, you put it on put on a face and you get in there, you do it, and you you try to brighten their day, and uh yeah, those moments definitely will live with you forever.
• 35:33
  SPEAKER_00: I love that, man.
• 35:34
  SPEAKER_00: I love that.
• 35:35
  SPEAKER_00: So let's look ahead between the anniversary celebrations, the new material, just this year in general, 2025 has been huge so far.
• 35:44
  SPEAKER_00: What can fans expect next?
• 35:46
  SPEAKER_00: Are we talking full album, more collaborations, or something totally unexpected?
• 35:52
  SPEAKER_01: You never know.
• 35:52
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, we have we're sitting on definitely an album worth full of material.
• 35:58
  SPEAKER_01: Um, but like you know, in in in in our business these days, it's so hard to navigate what the right move is.
• 36:05
  SPEAKER_01: Um I think we just put it all out there.
• 36:07
  SPEAKER_01: Who knows?
• 36:08
  SPEAKER_01: You know, we're we're on this uh POP 2000 tour, which was this is now year eight of um Me, O Town, Chris Kirkpatrick from InSync is our host, LFO is on it.
• 36:18
  SPEAKER_01: Um in a couple weeks, Mark, you know, we've had Mark McGrath come out with us, Sugar Ray.
• 36:23
  SPEAKER_01: So we got those, and then BB Mack comes out on tour with us.
• 36:26
  SPEAKER_01: Got some of those.
• 36:27
  SPEAKER_01: We have a show this year with um Vanilla Ice, All for One, Montel Jordan, you know, like you said, bringing that nostalgia stuff back.
• 36:35
  SPEAKER_01: But this is this is our eighth year doing this tour, and it just keeps getting better and better, and it's it's kind of like a festival.
• 36:41
  SPEAKER_01: Um, so as far as that goes, that's like where our year is.
• 36:45
  SPEAKER_01: And then I think we just drop little Easter eggs of fun stuff, like the 20th anniversary versions of the old stuff, and then now maybe pop some new stuff and start to incorporate into the live show, and and then you never know what pops up.
• 36:57
  SPEAKER_01: You just we just go with the flow and just keep having fun.
• 37:00
  SPEAKER_01: We're just happy that we get to play lives still, and that people are coming out and enjoying it and having a good time, and um the the tour keeps growing.
• 37:08
  SPEAKER_01: So yeah, we're loving.
• 37:10
  SPEAKER_01: We're like as long as they keep coming, we'll keep doing it.
• 37:12
  SPEAKER_00: Dude, I I I know I'm I shouldn't hold my breath, but I'm chomping at the bit for the moment when you walk out as Lexi's valet.
• 37:22
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, I don't know about that.
• 37:24
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know about that.
• 37:26
  SPEAKER_01: I gotta I get it, I get enough death threats already online from from those people from her peeps.
• 37:32
  SPEAKER_01: So I don't know.
• 37:33
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, dude.
• 37:34
  SPEAKER_01: At some point you just say fuck it.
• 37:35
  SPEAKER_01: Who cares what everybody thinks?
• 37:36
  SPEAKER_01: You do what you just do what you do what you want to do and just have fun with it.
• 37:40
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 37:41
  SPEAKER_01: These are people who don't who don't you know want to see you doing it or what whatever, but you just you know you only live once, so you just do whatever you want to do.
• 37:52
  SPEAKER_01: Oh man.
• 37:52
  SPEAKER_01: I'm already your valet.
• 37:54
  SPEAKER_01: Now I gotta do it in public.
• 37:56
  SPEAKER_00: Right, right, right.
• 37:58
  SPEAKER_00: Well, brother, I have had such a fun time.
• 38:01
  SPEAKER_00: Same, right was.
• 38:03
  SPEAKER_00: Um, my closing questions, my most favorite question to ask everybody, it's a little bit off the wall, but it's not.
• 38:09
  SPEAKER_00: You know that temperature in society is crazy these days.
• 38:15
  SPEAKER_00: So, you know, taking the socio-political stuff out of it, what's your advice for making the world a better place tomorrow than what it is today?
• 38:24
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, it's the easy answer.
• 38:26
  SPEAKER_01: Just love each other and understand that it doesn't matter what you believe in or what you think, like there's room for everybody, you know.
• 38:32
  SPEAKER_01: Like what what like some of my best friends think completely different than I do.
• 38:38
  SPEAKER_01: I don't give a shit.
• 38:39
  SPEAKER_01: They're still a human being, still love them, and that's it.
• 38:42
  SPEAKER_01: So there's you know, there's there's there's ways to have educated conversations with people where you communicate and listen with affinity, you know, without judgment.
• 38:52
  SPEAKER_01: And that's it.
• 38:53
  SPEAKER_01: You know, let people if somebody wants to feel certain way, let them feel that way.
• 38:57
  SPEAKER_01: Then if you it's all good.
• 38:59
  SPEAKER_01: Um you know, uh and then you know, it's just uh that's really all it all it's about.
• 39:05
  SPEAKER_01: It's all you all you there's only so much you can control in your life.
• 39:09
  SPEAKER_01: Um so just worry about the stuff that you can and and then uh do things that were on earth to help people and lift people instead of tear people down.
• 39:19
  SPEAKER_01: And I think if we all collectively do that and and and fight for that, that message could make a real better play, you know.
• 39:28
  SPEAKER_00: I love it.
• 39:28
  SPEAKER_00: I love it.
• 39:29
  SPEAKER_00: Why don't you tell everybody that's watching or listening to this where they can find these new versions of On the Way Down and all of your other music and more about you online?
• 39:38
  SPEAKER_01: We're gonna be on RyanCabrera.com and then Instagram's at RyanCabrera, and uh our tour is the POP 2000 tour, so hopefully I get to see everybody out there.
• 39:46
  SPEAKER_01: It's a fun show, like we're talking about.
• 39:48
  SPEAKER_01: No matter what kind of music you listen to, there's no way you're you're gonna come and see us on tour and not have a good time.
• 39:54
  SPEAKER_01: Uh and if you don't.
• 39:56
  SPEAKER_01: Well, then you shouldn't have can.
• 39:58
  SPEAKER_01: I told you not to go.
• 40:00
  SPEAKER_01: I told you that you're gonna hate it.
• 40:03
  SPEAKER_00: Dude, I tell you what, I hope that I have the opportunity to run into you in the real world, because it sounds like we'd have a fun hang.
• 40:12
  SPEAKER_00: 100%.
• 40:12
  SPEAKER_00: Anytime we're around, let's do it.
• 40:15
  SPEAKER_00: Brother, thank you so much for doing the show.
• 40:18
  SPEAKER_00: The world's a much better place with you and it, my guy.
• 40:20
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I love you, brother.
• 40:22
  SPEAKER_00: Thank you.
• 40:22
  SPEAKER_00: I want to once again thank my friend Ryan Cabrera for joining me on the show today.
• 40:27
  SPEAKER_00: If you are living in Nebraska and you have any plans on going to the Nebraska State Fair, August 30th is the date.
• 40:34
  SPEAKER_00: That's when you can go catch Ryan Live.
• 40:38
  SPEAKER_00: Vanilla Ice is on that show.
• 40:40
  SPEAKER_00: Why wouldn't you go see it?
• 40:42
  SPEAKER_00: Make sure you give Ryan a follow at Ryan Cabrera on Instagram.
• 40:46
  SPEAKER_00: Check out both of the new versions of On the Way Down.
• 40:50
  SPEAKER_00: I myself am particularly excited for the version with Light Ghosts.
• 40:55
  SPEAKER_00: Follow his record label at ManicTapRecords on Instagram.
• 40:59
  SPEAKER_00: That's at AHP.
• 41:01
  SPEAKER_00: And while you're being generous to the follows, make sure you're following Taught on the Mic on all social media platforms.
• 41:07
  SPEAKER_00: Give me a subscribe on my YouTube channel.
• 41:10
  SPEAKER_00: We gotta make that thing grow, and visit me at www.tautonthemic.com.
• 41:16
  SPEAKER_00: You know I'm always working on something fun.
• 41:18
  SPEAKER_00: This has been Caught on the Mike with Michael Clark.
• 41:21
  SPEAKER_00: I'm Michael Clark.
• 41:22
  SPEAKER_00: Till next time, thank you.