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America’s New Authoritarianism - What to know and How to Resist. · Phil and Ted's Sexy Boomer Show

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  Today
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  we
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  have
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  everything
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  you
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  wanted
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  to
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  know
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  about
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  authoritarianism
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  but
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  were
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  afraid
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  to
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  ask.
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  Is
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  the
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  US
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  becoming
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  an
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  authoritarian
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  state?
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  And
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  what
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  are
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  the
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  psychological
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  consequences
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  for
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  American
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  citizens?
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  Our
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  guest
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  is
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  Edward
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  Dunbar.
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  He's
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  a
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  UCLA
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  psychology
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  professor
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  and
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  leading
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  expert
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  on
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  authoritarianism
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  and
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  the
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  author
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  of
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  the
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  science
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  based
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  book
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  the
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  Psychology
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  of
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  Authoritarian
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  Strongmen,
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  Crooks
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  and
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  Celebrities
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  that
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  says
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  it
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  All.
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  Welcome
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  to
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  the
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  show.
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  Yeah,
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  thank
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  you.
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  You
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  are
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  also
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  a
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  leading
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  HA
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  crimes
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  researcher
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  and
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  you've
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  written
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  extensively
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  on
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  clinical
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  evaluation
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  of
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  racism,
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  victimology,
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  intergroup
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  relations.
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  You've
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  consulted
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  the
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  LAPD
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  and
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  the
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  LA
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  Unified
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  School
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  District
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  and
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  the
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  LA
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  Gay
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  and
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  Lesbian
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  center
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  in
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  the
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  areas
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  of
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  hate
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  crime,
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  offender
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  evaluation
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  and
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  violence
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  prevention
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  in
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  the
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  schools.
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  You've
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  edited
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  a
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  book
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  series
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  on
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  hate
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  crimes
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  called
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  Hate
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  unleashed
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  on
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  the
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  2016
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  US
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  presidential
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  election.
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  And
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  you're
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  the
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  co
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  editor
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  of
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  the
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  series
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  the
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  New
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  Authoritarianism.
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  So
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  I
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  think
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  it's
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  safe
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  to
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  say
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  you
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  are
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  the
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  right
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  man
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  to
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  be
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  speaking
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  to
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  about
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  authoritarianism.
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  And
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  this
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  is
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  mandatory
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  listening.
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  May
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  I
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  remind
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  you,
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  what
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  is
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  an
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  autocracy?
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  Well,
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  it's
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  a
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  form
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  of
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  government
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  for
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  sure,
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  but
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  it's
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  a
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  way
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  of
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  living
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  your
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  life
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  where
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  you
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  know
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  that
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  you
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  don't
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  have
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  a
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  voice.
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  And
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  most
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  Americans
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  would
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  say
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  that's
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  very
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  uncomfortable.
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  I
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  know
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  people
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  who
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  lived
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  in
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  other
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  societies,
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  other
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  cultures
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  and
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  they
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  would
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  say
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  it's
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  no
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  big
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  thing.
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  It's
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  just
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  somebody
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  decides
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  everything
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  for
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  you
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  and
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  you
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  learn
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  to
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  adjust
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  to
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  it.
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  So
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  for
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  us
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  as
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  Americans.
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  And
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  I'll
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  share
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  one
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  of
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  my
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  more
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  unfortunate
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  realities
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  is
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  about
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  two,
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  two
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  and
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  a
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  half
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  years
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  ago
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  I
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  was
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  at
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  the
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  White
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  House
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  doing
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  a
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  presentation
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  about
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  hate
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  crimes,
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  right?
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  And
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  I
• 1:43
  looked
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  at
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  the
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  group
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  and
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  I
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  said,
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  you
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  know,
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  and
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  I'd
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  just
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  been
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  doing
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  some
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  research
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  on
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  what
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  are
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  the
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  cultural
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  factors
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  affecting
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  autocracy.
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  And
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  I
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  said,
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  well,
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  you
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  know,
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  countries
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  that
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  have
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  lower
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  respect
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  for
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  leadership,
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  where
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  you
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  can
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  go
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  up
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  and
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  talk
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  to
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  the
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  leader,
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  countries
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  where
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  you
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  can
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  be
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  an
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  individual,
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  countries
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  with
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  a
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  higher
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  need
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  for
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  hedon
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  pursuit,
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  those
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  are
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  not
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  countries
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  that
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  are
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  going
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  to
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  become
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  autocracies.
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  So
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  I
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  said,
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  I
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  wouldn't
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  worry
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  too
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  much
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  folks,
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  because
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  that's
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  not
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  in
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  our
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  DNA.
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  Well,
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  obviously
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  some
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  other
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  things
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  have
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  happened.
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  It's
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  not
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  in
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  our
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  DNA,
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  but
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  it's
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  an
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  interesting
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  reality
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  to
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  say
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  we
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  are
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  now
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  facing
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  the
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  kind
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  of
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  control
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  of
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  our
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  individual
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  lives
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  in
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  a
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  way
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  that
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  is
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  really
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  unprecedented
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  and
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  it
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  may
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  cut
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  against
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  our
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  DNA,
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  but
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  we
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  are
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  now
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  really
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  all
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  stuck.
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  Kind
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  of
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  as
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  the
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  British
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  would
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  say,
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  we're
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  in
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  a
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  muddle.
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  What
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  are
• 2:31
  we
• 2:31
  going
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  to
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  do
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  given
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  this
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  doesn't
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  really
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  reflect
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  us.
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  And
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  as
• 2:35
  the
• 2:36
  polling
• 2:36
  Data
• 2:36
  shows
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  most
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  of
• 2:37
  us
• 2:37
  are
• 2:37
  really
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  not
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  terribly
• 2:38
  excited
• 2:38
  about
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  it.
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  Now
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  I
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  say
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  that
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  and
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  then
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  I
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  also
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  think
• 2:41
  back
• 2:41
  to
• 2:41
  the
• 2:42
  Nazis.
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  As
• 2:43
  long
• 2:43
  as
• 2:43
  they
• 2:43
  were
• 2:43
  doing
• 2:44
  polling,
• 2:44
  only
• 2:44
  got
• 2:44
  about
• 2:45
  37,
• 2:45
  38%
• 2:46
  of
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  the
• 2:46
  popular
• 2:47
  support
• 2:47
  in
• 2:47
  their
• 2:47
  own
• 2:47
  country,
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  as
• 2:48
  they
• 2:48
  were,
• 2:48
  they
• 2:49
  were
• 2:49
  governing.
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  So
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  you
• 2:50
  know,
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  autocracy
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  doesn't
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  mean
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  it's
• 2:52
  the
• 2:52
  majority
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  at
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  all.
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  It
• 2:53
  just
• 2:53
  means
• 2:53
  that
• 2:54
  there's
• 2:54
  the
• 2:54
  powerful
• 2:54
  few
• 2:55
  that
• 2:55
  control
• 2:55
  the
• 2:55
  many.
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  And
• 2:56
  we're
• 2:56
  kind
• 2:57
  of
• 2:57
  in
• 2:57
  that,
• 2:57
  that
• 2:58
  situation
• 2:58
  right
• 2:58
  now.
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  But
• 2:59
  there's
• 2:59
  been
• 2:59
  a
• 2:59
  trend
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  towards
• 3:00
  authoritarianism
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  globally.
• 3:02
  The
• 3:02
  economist
• 3:02
  Democracy
• 3:03
  Index
• 3:03
  in
• 3:04
  20
• 3:05
  reported
• 3:05
  that
• 3:05
  39%
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  of
• 3:06
  the
• 3:06
  world's
• 3:07
  population
• 3:07
  lives
• 3:07
  under
• 3:08
  authoritarian
• 3:08
  governance,
• 3:09
  with
• 3:10
  an
• 3:10
  additional
• 3:10
  15%
• 3:11
  of
• 3:11
  the
• 3:11
  world's
• 3:11
  population
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  residing
• 3:13
  in
• 3:13
  hybrid
• 3:13
  regimes.
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  Right.
• 3:14
  You
• 3:15
  gave
• 3:15
  a
• 3:15
  wonderful
• 3:15
  presentation
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  recently
• 3:16
  at
• 3:16
  the
• 3:16
  Santa
• 3:17
  Monica
• 3:17
  Library,
• 3:17
  of
• 3:18
  all
• 3:18
  places.
• 3:18
  Yeah,
• 3:18
  it
• 3:18
  was
• 3:19
  fantastic.
• 3:19
  The
• 3:19
  turnout
• 3:19
  was
• 3:20
  great.
• 3:20
  It
• 3:20
  was
• 3:20
  great.
• 3:20
  People
• 3:21
  are
• 3:21
  very
• 3:21
  interested
• 3:21
  in
• 3:21
  this.
• 3:22
  And
• 3:22
  you
• 3:23
  showed
• 3:23
  a
• 3:23
  slide
• 3:23
  that
• 3:24
  said
• 3:24
  somewhere
• 3:24
  in
• 3:24
  America
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  a
• 3:25
  little
• 3:26
  girl
• 3:26
  is
• 3:26
  hiding
• 3:26
  in
• 3:27
  an
• 3:27
  attic
• 3:27
  writing
• 3:28
  about
• 3:28
  ice.
• 3:28
  Yeah.
• 3:29
  Sort
• 3:29
  of
• 3:29
  reference
• 3:30
  back
• 3:30
  to
• 3:30
  Anne
• 3:30
  Frank,
• 3:31
  of
• 3:31
  course,
• 3:31
  in
• 3:31
  the
• 3:31
  Holocaust.
• 3:32
  Is
• 3:32
  it
• 3:33
  really
• 3:33
  happening
• 3:33
  here?
• 3:34
  We
• 3:34
  are
• 3:34
  there
• 3:35
  and
• 3:36
  like
• 3:36
  any
• 3:37
  social
• 3:37
  system,
• 3:37
  it
• 3:38
  is
• 3:38
  fluid
• 3:39
  and
• 3:39
  in
• 3:39
  our
• 3:39
  case
• 3:39
  we
• 3:40
  are
• 3:40
  moving
• 3:40
  into
• 3:41
  or
• 3:41
  sort
• 3:41
  of
• 3:42
  transitioning
• 3:43
  into
• 3:44
  a
• 3:44
  form
• 3:44
  of
• 3:45
  non
• 3:46
  democratic
• 3:47
  governance.
• 3:47
  And
• 3:48
  what
• 3:48
  follows
• 3:48
  from
• 3:48
  that
• 3:49
  are
• 3:49
  things
• 3:50
  such
• 3:50
  as
• 3:50
  corruption.
• 3:51
  Also
• 3:51
  unfortunately,
• 3:52
  increase
• 3:52
  in
• 3:53
  genocide
• 3:53
  risk.
• 3:53
  Now
• 3:54
  you
• 3:54
  mentioned
• 3:55
  some
• 3:55
  of
• 3:55
  the
• 3:55
  data
• 3:55
  about
• 3:56
  these
• 3:56
  organizations
• 3:57
  have
• 3:57
  been
• 3:57
  tracking
• 3:58
  international
• 3:59
  political
• 4:00
  trends
• 4:01
  using
• 4:02
  that
• 4:02
  same
• 4:02
  data.
• 4:02
  If
• 4:03
  you
• 4:03
  look
• 4:03
  at
• 4:03
  the
• 4:03
  idea
• 4:04
  of
• 4:04
  the
• 4:04
  risk
• 4:04
  for
• 4:04
  a
• 4:05
  state
• 4:05
  run
• 4:05
  genocide,
• 4:06
  what
• 4:07
  do
• 4:07
  we
• 4:07
  know?
• 4:07
  Hard
• 4:07
  autocracies
• 4:09
  are
• 4:09
  far
• 4:09
  more
• 4:10
  likely
• 4:10
  to
• 4:11
  perpetrate
• 4:11
  genocide
• 4:12
  against
• 4:12
  their
• 4:12
  own
• 4:13
  people.
• 4:13
  Hard
• 4:14
  autocracies
• 4:14
  are
• 4:15
  also
• 4:15
  much
• 4:15
  more
• 4:15
  likely
• 4:15
  to
• 4:16
  be
• 4:16
  extremely
• 4:17
  corrupt
• 4:18
  politically.
• 4:19
  Now
• 4:19
  what's
• 4:19
  the
• 4:19
  kicker
• 4:20
  is
• 4:20
  that
• 4:20
  hard
• 4:21
  autocracies
• 4:22
  and
• 4:22
  the
• 4:22
  true
• 4:22
  real
• 4:23
  democracies
• 4:24
  do
• 4:25
  about
• 4:25
  the
• 4:25
  same
• 4:25
  as
• 4:25
  far
• 4:25
  as
• 4:26
  their
• 4:26
  gross
• 4:26
  domestic
• 4:26
  product.
• 4:27
  So
• 4:27
  you
• 4:27
  got
• 4:27
  this
• 4:28
  kind
• 4:28
  of
• 4:28
  like
• 4:28
  you
• 4:28
  effect
• 4:29
  where
• 4:29
  any
• 4:29
  countries
• 4:30
  that
• 4:30
  are
• 4:30
  in
• 4:30
  between,
• 4:30
  you
• 4:31
  know,
• 4:31
  don't
• 4:31
  mess
• 4:31
  with
• 4:31
  Mr.
• 4:32
  In
• 4:32
  between
• 4:32
  you
• 4:33
  say
• 4:33
  seeing
• 4:34
  some
• 4:34
  economic
• 4:35
  lag,
• 4:35
  but
• 4:35
  if
• 4:35
  you
• 4:35
  go
• 4:36
  really
• 4:36
  very
• 4:37
  democratic
• 4:38
  or
• 4:38
  very
• 4:38
  authoritarian,
• 4:40
  you're
• 4:40
  about
• 4:40
  at
• 4:40
  the
• 4:40
  same
• 4:41
  level.
• 4:41
  Now
• 4:41
  the
• 4:41
  trade
• 4:42
  off
• 4:42
  is
• 4:42
  if
• 4:43
  you're
• 4:43
  doing
• 4:43
  that
• 4:43
  in
• 4:43
  an
• 4:43
  authoritarian
• 4:44
  regime.
• 4:44
  And
• 4:45
  this
• 4:45
  is
• 4:45
  the
• 4:45
  psychology
• 4:46
  of
• 4:46
  the
• 4:46
  thing,
• 4:47
  you
• 4:47
  know,
• 4:47
  that
• 4:47
  you're
• 4:48
  looking
• 4:48
  at
• 4:48
  a
• 4:48
  greater
• 4:48
  risk
• 4:48
  that
• 4:49
  your
• 4:49
  uncle
• 4:49
  can
• 4:49
  be
• 4:50
  taken
• 4:50
  away
• 4:50
  in
• 4:50
  the
• 4:50
  middle
• 4:50
  of
• 4:50
  the
• 4:50
  night.
• 4:51
  You're
• 4:51
  looking
• 4:51
  at
• 4:51
  the
• 4:52
  likelihood
• 4:52
  that
• 4:52
  you're
• 4:52
  going
• 4:52
  to
• 4:53
  have
• 4:53
  to
• 4:53
  pay
• 4:53
  back
• 4:53
  Sheesh.
• 4:54
  To
• 4:54
  get
• 4:54
  something
• 4:54
  done
• 4:54
  at
• 4:54
  the
• 4:55
  dmv.
• 4:56
  And
• 4:56
  you're
• 4:56
  also
• 4:57
  thrust
• 4:57
  into
• 4:58
  the
• 4:58
  reality
• 4:58
  that
• 4:58
  you
• 4:59
  can't
• 4:59
  feel
• 4:59
  really
• 4:59
  good
• 5:00
  about
• 5:00
  being
• 5:00
  part
• 5:01
  of
• 5:01
  the
• 5:01
  country.
• 5:01
  That
• 5:01
  you're
• 5:02
  in.
• 5:02
  So
• 5:02
  it's
• 5:03
  really
• 5:03
  interesting.
• 5:03
  The
• 5:04
  people
• 5:04
  that
• 5:04
  live
• 5:04
  in
• 5:04
  autocracy,
• 5:06
  they
• 5:06
  don't
• 5:07
  feel
• 5:07
  good
• 5:08
  about
• 5:08
  their
• 5:08
  societies.
• 5:09
  They
• 5:09
  have
• 5:10
  to
• 5:10
  find
• 5:10
  ways
• 5:10
  to
• 5:10
  feel
• 5:11
  good
• 5:11
  about
• 5:11
  themselves,
• 5:12
  independent
• 5:13
  of
• 5:13
  the
• 5:13
  culture
• 5:13
  and
• 5:14
  the
• 5:14
  group
• 5:14
  that
• 5:14
  they're
• 5:14
  part
• 5:15
  of.
• 5:15
  Democracies.
• 5:16
  It's
• 5:17
  kind
• 5:17
  of
• 5:17
  a
• 5:17
  pretty
• 5:17
  good
• 5:17
  correlation.
• 5:18
  Your
• 5:19
  subjective
• 5:19
  sense
• 5:20
  of
• 5:20
  well
• 5:20
  being
• 5:20
  is
• 5:21
  related
• 5:21
  to
• 5:21
  the
• 5:21
  degree
• 5:22
  of
• 5:22
  democratic
• 5:23
  reality
• 5:24
  of
• 5:24
  your
• 5:24
  social
• 5:24
  system.
• 5:25
  So
• 5:25
  you
• 5:25
  see
• 5:26
  a
• 5:26
  real
• 5:26
  split.
• 5:26
  I
• 5:26
  mean,
• 5:26
  from
• 5:27
  a
• 5:27
  psychological
• 5:27
  standpoint,
• 5:28
  from
• 5:28
  a
• 5:28
  welfare
• 5:29
  standpoint,
• 5:30
  clearly
• 5:30
  there
• 5:30
  are
• 5:30
  advantages
• 5:31
  for
• 5:31
  the
• 5:31
  average
• 5:32
  person
• 5:33
  to
• 5:33
  be
• 5:33
  living
• 5:33
  in
• 5:33
  a
• 5:33
  free,
• 5:34
  democratic
• 5:34
  regime.
• 5:35
  That's
• 5:35
  according
• 5:35
  to
• 5:36
  data
• 5:36
  cold
• 5:36
  from
• 5:37
  2024.
• 5:38
  But
• 5:38
  we're
• 5:39
  not
• 5:39
  doing
• 5:39
  that,
• 5:39
  are
• 5:39
  we?
• 5:40
  So
• 5:40
  there
• 5:40
  must
• 5:40
  be
• 5:40
  something
• 5:41
  else
• 5:41
  that's
• 5:41
  going
• 5:41
  on,
• 5:41
  and
• 5:42
  that
• 5:42
  is,
• 5:42
  obviously
• 5:43
  there's
• 5:43
  some
• 5:43
  people
• 5:44
  that
• 5:44
  know
• 5:44
  they
• 5:44
  will
• 5:45
  benefit
• 5:45
  by
• 5:46
  living
• 5:46
  in
• 5:46
  a
• 5:46
  society
• 5:47
  in
• 5:47
  which
• 5:47
  the
• 5:48
  idea
• 5:48
  of
• 5:48
  freedom
• 5:48
  of
• 5:48
  speech,
• 5:49
  of
• 5:49
  press,
• 5:50
  of
• 5:50
  motion
• 5:51
  is
• 5:51
  restricted.
• 5:52
  In
• 5:52
  fact,
• 5:52
  I'll
• 5:52
  give
• 5:52
  you,
• 5:52
  I
• 5:53
  think,
• 5:53
  my
• 5:53
  favorite
• 5:53
  definition
• 5:54
  of
• 5:55
  oppression.
• 5:55
  It
• 5:55
  comes
• 5:56
  from
• 5:56
  a
• 5:56
  very,
• 5:56
  very
• 5:57
  wise
• 5:57
  old
• 5:57
  black
• 5:58
  psychiatrist
• 5:58
  named
• 5:59
  Chester
• 5:59
  Pierce.
• 5:59
  And
• 6:00
  he
• 6:00
  said,
• 6:00
  you
• 6:01
  know,
• 6:01
  you're
• 6:01
  being
• 6:02
  oppressed
• 6:03
  when
• 6:03
  somebody's
• 6:04
  controlling
• 6:04
  your
• 6:04
  space,
• 6:05
  time,
• 6:06
  energy
• 6:07
  or
• 6:07
  motion.
• 6:07
  He
• 6:08
  called
• 6:08
  it
• 6:08
  stem
• 6:09
  space,
• 6:09
  time,
• 6:10
  energy
• 6:10
  or
• 6:10
  motion.
• 6:11
  And
• 6:11
  when
• 6:11
  you
• 6:11
  think
• 6:11
  about
• 6:12
  it,
• 6:12
  you
• 6:12
  know,
• 6:12
  we're
• 6:13
  putting
• 6:13
  people
• 6:13
  in
• 6:13
  facilities.
• 6:15
  We
• 6:15
  are
• 6:15
  terrifying
• 6:16
  people
• 6:16
  to
• 6:16
  go
• 6:16
  out
• 6:17
  into
• 6:17
  the
• 6:17
  streets.
• 6:17
  As
• 6:18
  we
• 6:18
  know,
• 6:18
  in
• 6:18
  Los
• 6:18
  Angeles,
• 6:19
  one
• 6:19
  of
• 6:19
  the
• 6:19
  better
• 6:19
  things
• 6:20
  we've
• 6:20
  done
• 6:20
  is
• 6:20
  to
• 6:20
  find
• 6:21
  ways
• 6:21
  to
• 6:21
  get
• 6:21
  food
• 6:21
  to
• 6:22
  people
• 6:22
  that
• 6:22
  don't
• 6:22
  feel
• 6:22
  safe
• 6:23
  going
• 6:23
  to
• 6:23
  their
• 6:23
  corner
• 6:23
  stores.
• 6:24
  Right?
• 6:25
  So
• 6:25
  we're
• 6:25
  seeing
• 6:25
  oppression,
• 6:26
  we're
• 6:26
  experiencing
• 6:27
  oppression.
• 6:27
  It's
• 6:27
  one
• 6:28
  of
• 6:28
  those
• 6:28
  things,
• 6:28
  the
• 6:28
  body
• 6:29
  feels
• 6:29
  it.
• 6:29
  You
• 6:29
  don't
• 6:30
  need
• 6:30
  the
• 6:30
  head
• 6:30
  to
• 6:30
  be
• 6:30
  there.
• 6:31
  Fear
• 6:31
  when
• 6:32
  you
• 6:32
  feel
• 6:32
  it.
• 6:32
  And
• 6:33
  that's
• 6:33
  what
• 6:33
  we're
• 6:33
  experiencing
• 6:34
  now,
• 6:34
  as
• 6:35
  are
• 6:35
  countless
• 6:36
  millions
• 6:36
  of
• 6:36
  people
• 6:36
  across
• 6:37
  the
• 6:37
  globe.
• 6:37
  I
• 6:37
  think
• 6:38
  in
• 6:38
  a
• 6:38
  way,
• 6:38
  we're
• 6:38
  also
• 6:38
  living
• 6:39
  in
• 6:39
  a
• 6:39
  state
• 6:39
  of
• 6:40
  hypocrisy
• 6:41
  because
• 6:41
  there's
• 6:42
  so
• 6:42
  much
• 6:42
  denial
• 6:43
  of
• 6:43
  all
• 6:43
  of
• 6:44
  this,
• 6:44
  so
• 6:44
  much
• 6:44
  misdirection,
• 6:46
  so
• 6:46
  much
• 6:46
  distraction.
• 6:47
  People
• 6:48
  resist
• 6:48
  change,
• 6:48
  right.
• 6:49
  They
• 6:49
  don't
• 6:49
  want
• 6:49
  to
• 6:49
  admit
• 6:50
  to
• 6:50
  themselves
• 6:50
  that
• 6:50
  this
• 6:51
  is
• 6:51
  happening.
• 6:51
  It's
• 6:51
  a
• 6:51
  little
• 6:52
  bit
• 6:52
  like
• 6:52
  the
• 6:52
  frog
• 6:52
  in
• 6:52
  the
• 6:53
  boiling
• 6:53
  water
• 6:53
  bit.
• 6:54
  It's
• 6:54
  also
• 6:54
  interesting
• 6:55
  when
• 6:55
  you
• 6:55
  look
• 6:55
  at
• 6:55
  the
• 6:56
  idea,
• 6:56
  and
• 6:56
  I
• 6:56
  should
• 6:57
  say
• 6:57
  this,
• 6:57
  what
• 6:57
  are
• 6:57
  the
• 6:57
  downsides
• 6:58
  of
• 6:58
  living
• 6:59
  in
• 6:59
  a
• 6:59
  regime
• 6:59
  that
• 6:59
  really
• 7:00
  is
• 7:00
  state
• 7:00
  controlled?
• 7:01
  I
• 7:01
  used
• 7:01
  to
• 7:01
  study
• 7:01
  Russian
• 7:02
  for
• 7:02
  a
• 7:02
  while.
• 7:02
  In
• 7:03
  fact,
• 7:03
  I
• 7:03
  actually
• 7:03
  got
• 7:03
  recruited
• 7:04
  by
• 7:04
  the
• 7:04
  CIA.
• 7:05
  Yeah,
• 7:12
  I
• 7:12
  talked
• 7:12
  to
• 7:12
  some
• 7:13
  people
• 7:13
  that
• 7:13
  worked
• 7:13
  in
• 7:13
  the
• 7:13
  Soviet
• 7:14
  military
• 7:14
  after
• 7:15
  the
• 7:15
  fall
• 7:15
  of
• 7:15
  that
• 7:15
  regime.
• 7:16
  And
• 7:16
  one
• 7:16
  of
• 7:16
  them
• 7:16
  said
• 7:17
  to
• 7:17
  me,
• 7:17
  you
• 7:17
  had
• 7:18
  nothing
• 7:18
  to
• 7:18
  worry
• 7:18
  about
• 7:18
  with
• 7:18
  us
• 7:19
  because
• 7:19
  we
• 7:19
  were
• 7:19
  all
• 7:19
  drunk.
• 7:20
  And
• 7:20
  what
• 7:21
  it
• 7:21
  meant
• 7:21
  was,
• 7:22
  you
• 7:22
  know,
• 7:22
  we
• 7:22
  didn't
• 7:23
  like
• 7:23
  this
• 7:23
  either.
• 7:24
  You
• 7:24
  became
• 7:24
  a
• 7:24
  Communist
• 7:25
  because
• 7:25
  it
• 7:25
  was
• 7:25
  good
• 7:25
  for
• 7:26
  your
• 7:26
  career.
• 7:26
  Yep.
• 7:27
  I
• 7:27
  was
• 7:27
  in
• 7:27
  Eastern
• 7:27
  Europe
• 7:28
  right
• 7:28
  after
• 7:28
  the
• 7:28
  fall
• 7:29
  of
• 7:29
  a
• 7:29
  lot
• 7:29
  of
• 7:29
  those
• 7:30
  quasi
• 7:30
  Soviet
• 7:31
  states.
• 7:31
  And
• 7:32
  it
• 7:32
  was
• 7:32
  really
• 7:32
  interesting
• 7:33
  because
• 7:33
  one
• 7:33
  of
• 7:33
  the
• 7:33
  things
• 7:33
  that
• 7:34
  struck
• 7:34
  me,
• 7:34
  there
• 7:34
  was
• 7:35
  no
• 7:35
  customer
• 7:35
  service
• 7:36
  because
• 7:36
  nobody
• 7:37
  cared,
• 7:38
  because
• 7:38
  nobody
• 7:38
  expected
• 7:39
  that
• 7:39
  it
• 7:39
  mattered
• 7:40
  what
• 7:40
  they
• 7:40
  were
• 7:40
  doing.
• 7:40
  It
• 7:40
  was
• 7:41
  also
• 7:41
  really
• 7:41
  interesting
• 7:42
  because
• 7:42
  if
• 7:42
  you
• 7:42
  talk
• 7:43
  to
• 7:43
  people
• 7:43
  even
• 7:43
  who
• 7:43
  are
• 7:43
  intellectuals,
• 7:45
  they
• 7:45
  wouldn't
• 7:45
  say
• 7:45
  anything
• 7:46
  about
• 7:46
  what
• 7:46
  they
• 7:46
  were
• 7:46
  thinking
• 7:47
  or
• 7:47
  doing.
• 7:47
  So
• 7:48
  they
• 7:48
  had
• 7:48
  learned
• 7:49
  to
• 7:49
  curb
• 7:50
  their
• 7:50
  own
• 7:50
  ideology,
• 7:51
  their
• 7:51
  own
• 7:52
  thoughts,
• 7:52
  their
• 7:52
  own
• 7:52
  creativity.
• 7:54
  Because
• 7:54
  the
• 7:55
  Stasi
• 7:56
  in
• 7:57
  eastern
• 7:57
  Germany
• 7:58
  had
• 7:58
  one
• 7:59
  out
• 7:59
  of
• 7:59
  every
• 7:59
  six
• 7:59
  people
• 8:00
  being
• 8:00
  in
• 8:00
  a
• 8:01
  police.
• 8:01
  Yeah,
• 8:02
  absolutely.
• 8:03
  And
• 8:03
  that's
• 8:03
  the
• 8:03
  risk
• 8:03
  of
• 8:04
  what
• 8:04
  you
• 8:04
  see
• 8:04
  when
• 8:04
  you
• 8:05
  get
• 8:05
  into
• 8:05
  a
• 8:05
  place
• 8:05
  like
• 8:05
  that.
• 8:06
  Now,
• 8:06
  psychologically,
• 8:07
  you
• 8:07
  also
• 8:08
  see
• 8:08
  that
• 8:08
  people
• 8:08
  develop
• 8:09
  what's
• 8:09
  called
• 8:09
  a
• 8:09
  learned
• 8:10
  helplessness,
• 8:10
  which
• 8:10
  is,
• 8:11
  it
• 8:11
  doesn't
• 8:12
  matter
• 8:12
  if
• 8:12
  I
• 8:12
  report
• 8:13
  this
• 8:13
  to
• 8:13
  the
• 8:13
  police,
• 8:13
  it
• 8:14
  doesn't
• 8:14
  matter
• 8:14
  if
• 8:15
  there's
• 8:15
  something
• 8:15
  wrong
• 8:15
  with
• 8:15
  my
• 8:16
  neighbor.
• 8:16
  In
• 8:16
  Russian,
• 8:17
  secret
• 8:17
  police
• 8:17
  is
• 8:18
  Tinia
• 8:18
  police.
• 8:19
  Tiny
• 8:20
  police.
• 8:20
  They're
• 8:21
  everywhere.
• 8:22
  You
• 8:22
  don't
• 8:22
  notice
• 8:22
  them
• 8:23
  anymore.
• 8:23
  Well,
• 8:23
  the
• 8:24
  other
• 8:24
  thing
• 8:24
  that's
• 8:24
  also
• 8:24
  relevant
• 8:25
  to
• 8:25
  that
• 8:25
  exactly
• 8:26
  is,
• 8:27
  and
• 8:27
  this
• 8:27
  is
• 8:27
  again
• 8:27
  from
• 8:28
  another
• 8:28
  guy
• 8:28
  who
• 8:28
  was
• 8:28
  the
• 8:29
  Russian
• 8:29
  military,
• 8:29
  he
• 8:29
  said
• 8:30
  to
• 8:30
  me,
• 8:30
  well,
• 8:30
  if
• 8:30
  you
• 8:30
  want
• 8:30
  to
• 8:30
  know
• 8:31
  what's
• 8:31
  not
• 8:31
  true,
• 8:32
  you
• 8:32
  read
• 8:33
  Pravda.
• 8:34
  Pravda
• 8:35
  means
• 8:35
  truth.
• 8:35
  That's
• 8:35
  right.
• 8:36
  So
• 8:36
  what
• 8:36
  you
• 8:36
  want
• 8:37
  to
• 8:37
  know
• 8:37
  is,
• 8:37
  what's
• 8:38
  the
• 8:38
  big
• 8:38
  lie?
• 8:38
  Well,
• 8:39
  just
• 8:39
  read
• 8:39
  it
• 8:39
  in
• 8:39
  the
• 8:39
  newspapers.
• 8:40
  The
• 8:41
  thing
• 8:41
  that
• 8:41
  baffles
• 8:42
  me
• 8:42
  is
• 8:42
  that
• 8:42
  through
• 8:43
  all
• 8:43
  of
• 8:43
  this
• 8:44
  horror
• 8:44
  that
• 8:44
  we're
• 8:44
  experiencing
• 8:45
  in
• 8:45
  the
• 8:45
  last
• 8:45
  year,
• 8:46
  and
• 8:46
  it's
• 8:46
  relentless,
• 8:47
  is
• 8:47
  the
• 8:48
  stock
• 8:48
  market
• 8:48
  keeps
• 8:48
  breaking
• 8:49
  records.
• 8:50
  They
• 8:50
  keep
• 8:50
  saying,
• 8:50
  well,
• 8:50
  the
• 8:50
  stock
• 8:51
  market's
• 8:51
  not
• 8:51
  really
• 8:51
  a
• 8:52
  barometer
• 8:52
  of
• 8:52
  the
• 8:52
  economy.
• 8:53
  Really.
• 8:53
  Okay,
• 8:54
  so
• 8:54
  that's
• 8:55
  how
• 8:55
  detached
• 8:55
  the
• 8:56
  wealth
• 8:56
  class
• 8:56
  is
• 8:56
  now
• 8:57
  from
• 8:57
  the
• 8:58
  everyday
• 8:58
  living
• 8:59
  experiences
• 9:00
  in
• 9:00
  America.
• 9:00
  And
• 9:00
  then
• 9:01
  you
• 9:01
  find
• 9:01
  out
• 9:01
  that
• 9:01
  authoritarianism
• 9:02
  is
• 9:02
  good
• 9:02
  for
• 9:03
  the
• 9:03
  gdp.
• 9:05
  And
• 9:05
  here
• 9:05
  we
• 9:05
  have
• 9:05
  Trump
• 9:06
  destroying
• 9:07
  the
• 9:07
  EPA
• 9:08
  regulations,
• 9:09
  withdrawing
• 9:10
  from
• 9:10
  the
• 9:11
  who.
• 9:12
  Absolutely.
• 9:12
  There
• 9:12
  seems
• 9:13
  to
• 9:13
  be
• 9:13
  financial
• 9:13
  incentive.
• 9:14
  Absolutely.
• 9:15
  In
• 9:16
  a
• 9:16
  way,
• 9:16
  what
• 9:16
  Trump
• 9:16
  is
• 9:17
  doing
• 9:17
  is
• 9:17
  what
• 9:17
  a
• 9:17
  lot
• 9:18
  of
• 9:18
  people
• 9:18
  who
• 9:18
  look
• 9:18
  at
• 9:19
  international
• 9:19
  government
• 9:20
  and
• 9:20
  private
• 9:21
  sector
• 9:21
  decision
• 9:21
  making
• 9:22
  has
• 9:22
  said
• 9:23
  for
• 9:23
  decades,
• 9:23
  which
• 9:23
  is,
• 9:24
  Americans
• 9:25
  are
• 9:25
  very
• 9:25
  next
• 9:25
  quarter
• 9:26
  oriented,
• 9:27
  they're
• 9:27
  very
• 9:27
  short
• 9:27
  term.
• 9:28
  You
• 9:28
  look
• 9:29
  at
• 9:29
  China,
• 9:29
  they
• 9:29
  are
• 9:30
  long
• 9:30
  term
• 9:30
  in
• 9:30
  their
• 9:30
  orientation.
• 9:31
  So,
• 9:32
  yeah,
• 9:32
  getting
• 9:32
  rid
• 9:33
  of
• 9:33
  regulations
• 9:34
  means
• 9:34
  that
• 9:35
  you're
• 9:35
  going
• 9:35
  to
• 9:35
  see
• 9:35
  more
• 9:35
  profit
• 9:36
  for
• 9:36
  corporations.
• 9:37
  Getting
• 9:37
  rid
• 9:37
  of
• 9:37
  consumer
• 9:38
  protection
• 9:38
  means
• 9:39
  you're
• 9:39
  going
• 9:39
  to
• 9:39
  see
• 9:40
  easier
• 9:40
  ways
• 9:41
  to
• 9:41
  produce
• 9:41
  goods
• 9:41
  that
• 9:42
  are
• 9:42
  going
• 9:42
  to
• 9:42
  be
• 9:42
  less
• 9:42
  safe
• 9:42
  and
• 9:43
  reliable.
• 9:44
  But
• 9:44
  that's
• 9:44
  all
• 9:45
  in
• 9:45
  the
• 9:45
  short
• 9:45
  term.
• 9:46
  And
• 9:46
  again,
• 9:47
  one
• 9:47
  of
• 9:47
  the
• 9:47
  things
• 9:48
  sort
• 9:48
  of
• 9:48
  the
• 9:48
  reasons
• 9:49
  to
• 9:49
  be
• 9:49
  cheerful
• 9:50
  moment
• 9:50
  is
• 9:51
  a
• 9:51
  very
• 9:52
  brilliant
• 9:52
  old
• 9:52
  psychologist,
• 9:53
  Bob
• 9:53
  Altemar,
• 9:54
  who
• 9:54
  spent
• 9:54
  his
• 9:54
  entire
• 9:55
  life
• 9:55
  studying
• 9:55
  authoritarianism,
• 9:56
  said
• 9:57
  very
• 9:57
  pointedly,
• 9:58
  you
• 9:58
  let
• 9:58
  authoritarian
• 9:59
  run
• 9:59
  something,
• 10:00
  they'll
• 10:00
  run
• 10:00
  it
• 10:01
  into
• 10:01
  the
• 10:01
  ground.
• 10:03
  And
• 10:03
  that's
• 10:03
  what
• 10:03
  we
• 10:04
  see.
• 10:04
  Corruption
• 10:05
  means
• 10:05
  that
• 10:05
  somebody's
• 10:06
  benefit
• 10:06
  benefiting
• 10:07
  somebody
• 10:07
  else,
• 10:07
  not
• 10:08
  me,
• 10:08
  as
• 10:09
  the
• 10:09
  old
• 10:09
  song
• 10:09
  goes.
• 10:10
  Right,
• 10:10
  that's
• 10:11
  the
• 10:11
  problem.
• 10:11
  Yeah,
• 10:11
  some
• 10:12
  people
• 10:12
  are
• 10:12
  doing
• 10:12
  very
• 10:12
  well
• 10:13
  with
• 10:13
  this
• 10:13
  and
• 10:13
  they're
• 10:13
  doing
• 10:14
  very
• 10:14
  well
• 10:14
  with
• 10:14
  this
• 10:14
  in
• 10:15
  the
• 10:15
  short
• 10:15
  term.
• 10:15
  I
• 10:16
  remember
• 10:16
  a
• 10:16
  colleague
• 10:17
  of
• 10:17
  mine
• 10:17
  who's
• 10:17
  an
• 10:17
  economist
• 10:18
  from
• 10:18
  Colombia
• 10:19
  and
• 10:19
  she
• 10:19
  looked
• 10:19
  at
• 10:19
  me
• 10:19
  about
• 10:20
  10
• 10:20
  years
• 10:20
  ago
• 10:20
  and
• 10:20
  said,
• 10:21
  you
• 10:21
  think
• 10:22
  people
• 10:22
  are
• 10:22
  going
• 10:23
  to
• 10:23
  put
• 10:23
  up
• 10:23
  with
• 10:23
  this
• 10:23
  forever?
• 10:24
  They
• 10:24
  won't.
• 10:25
  And
• 10:25
  she
• 10:25
  was
• 10:26
  saying,
• 10:26
  we
• 10:26
  didn't
• 10:26
  see
• 10:27
  it
• 10:27
  in
• 10:27
  our
• 10:27
  country.
• 10:27
  At
• 10:27
  some
• 10:28
  point
• 10:28
  things
• 10:28
  are
• 10:28
  going
• 10:28
  to
• 10:29
  shift,
• 10:29
  but
• 10:30
  nobody's
• 10:30
  worrying
• 10:30
  about
• 10:31
  what's
• 10:31
  going
• 10:31
  to
• 10:31
  happen
• 10:31
  in
• 10:32
  three
• 10:32
  years
• 10:32
  or
• 10:32
  five
• 10:32
  years.
• 10:33
  We're
• 10:33
  looking
• 10:33
  at
• 10:34
  next
• 10:34
  quarter.
• 10:34
  And
• 10:35
  yeah,
• 10:35
  the
• 10:35
  markets
• 10:36
  are
• 10:36
  up
• 10:36
  right
• 10:37
  now.
• 10:37
  Is
• 10:38
  this
• 10:38
  a
• 10:38
  sustainable
• 10:39
  system?
• 10:40
  That's
• 10:40
  really
• 10:40
  questionable.
• 10:41
  But
• 10:42
  Peter
• 10:42
  Thiel,
• 10:42
  who's
• 10:43
  a
• 10:43
  tech
• 10:44
  oligarch,
• 10:45
  has
• 10:45
  said
• 10:46
  that
• 10:46
  democracy
• 10:46
  is
• 10:47
  not
• 10:47
  compatible
• 10:48
  with
• 10:48
  capitalism.
• 10:49
  Absolutely,
• 10:50
  that's
• 10:50
  an
• 10:50
  argument
• 10:50
  that's
• 10:51
  been
• 10:51
  made
• 10:51
  because
• 10:51
  the
• 10:52
  thing
• 10:52
  that's
• 10:52
  really
• 10:52
  messy
• 10:53
  about
• 10:53
  democracies
• 10:54
  is
• 10:54
  you
• 10:55
  vote
• 10:55
  regimes
• 10:55
  in
• 10:56
  and
• 10:56
  you
• 10:56
  vote
• 10:56
  them
• 10:56
  out.
• 10:57
  And
• 10:57
  if
• 10:57
  you're
• 10:58
  trying
• 10:58
  to
• 10:58
  develop
• 10:58
  a
• 10:58
  long
• 10:59
  term
• 10:59
  market
• 10:59
  plan,
• 11:00
  you
• 11:00
  don't
• 11:01
  want
• 11:01
  people
• 11:01
  coming
• 11:02
  in
• 11:02
  and
• 11:02
  saying,
• 11:02
  well
• 11:02
  actually
• 11:03
  we
• 11:03
  do
• 11:03
  want
• 11:04
  environmental
• 11:04
  regulations.
• 11:05
  To
• 11:06
  me
• 11:07
  and
• 11:07
  I
• 11:07
  kind
• 11:07
  of
• 11:07
  talk
• 11:08
  about
• 11:08
  like
• 11:08
  the
• 11:08
  new
• 11:08
  authoritarianism,
• 11:09
  the
• 11:09
  thing
• 11:10
  that
• 11:10
  makes
• 11:10
  us
• 11:10
  different
• 11:11
  today.
• 11:12
  Here
• 11:12
  we
• 11:12
  are,
• 11:13
  you
• 11:13
  know,
• 11:13
  2026,
• 11:14
  from
• 11:15
  let's
• 11:15
  say
• 11:15
  1950,
• 11:17
  1936
• 11:18
  is
• 11:18
  really,
• 11:19
  really
• 11:19
  two
• 11:19
  critical
• 11:20
  things.
• 11:20
  Number
• 11:21
  one
• 11:21
  is
• 11:21
  technology,
• 11:22
  the
• 11:22
  ability
• 11:22
  to
• 11:22
  track,
• 11:23
  control,
• 11:24
  curate,
• 11:25
  create
• 11:26
  with
• 11:26
  AI
• 11:28
  false
• 11:28
  narratives
• 11:29
  in
• 11:29
  a
• 11:29
  level
• 11:29
  that,
• 11:29
  you
• 11:30
  know,
• 11:30
  would
• 11:30
  have
• 11:30
  been
• 11:30
  like
• 11:30
  a
• 11:30
  wet
• 11:31
  dream
• 11:31
  for
• 11:31
  Joseph
• 11:31
  Goebbels,
• 11:32
  you
• 11:32
  know,
• 11:32
  very,
• 11:33
  very
• 11:33
  clearly.
• 11:33
  But
• 11:34
  the
• 11:34
  other
• 11:34
  thing
• 11:34
  is
• 11:35
  environmental
• 11:35
  risk.
• 11:37
  And
• 11:37
  I
• 11:37
  think
• 11:37
  we're
• 11:37
  all
• 11:37
  playing
• 11:38
  with
• 11:38
  like
• 11:38
  house
• 11:39
  money
• 11:39
  on
• 11:39
  saying,
• 11:40
  well,
• 11:40
  what
• 11:40
  if
• 11:40
  we
• 11:41
  get
• 11:41
  it
• 11:41
  wrong?
• 11:41
  Well,
• 11:41
  what
• 11:42
  if
• 11:42
  we
• 11:42
  get
• 11:42
  it
• 11:42
  wrong
• 11:42
  about
• 11:42
  climate
• 11:43
  change?
• 11:43
  Well,
• 11:43
  what
• 11:43
  if
• 11:44
  we
• 11:44
  get
• 11:44
  it
• 11:44
  wrong
• 11:44
  about
• 11:44
  environmental
• 11:45
  regulations?
• 11:46
  We
• 11:46
  are
• 11:46
  now
• 11:47
  looking
• 11:47
  at
• 11:47
  the
• 11:47
  idea
• 11:48
  of
• 11:48
  like
• 11:48
  global
• 11:49
  consequences
• 11:50
  that
• 11:50
  cannot
• 11:50
  be
• 11:50
  isolated
• 11:51
  to.
• 11:51
  Well,
• 11:51
  one
• 11:52
  country
• 11:52
  screwed
• 11:52
  up,
• 11:53
  we
• 11:53
  all
• 11:53
  pay
• 11:54
  for
• 11:54
  it,
• 11:54
  it's
• 11:54
  going
• 11:54
  to
• 11:54
  affect
• 11:55
  all
• 11:55
  of
• 11:55
  us.
• 11:56
  That
• 11:56
  wasn't
• 11:56
  true
• 11:57
  half
• 11:57
  a
• 11:58
  century
• 11:58
  ago
• 11:58
  or
• 11:58
  100
• 11:59
  years
• 11:59
  ago.
• 12:00
  I
• 12:00
  think
• 12:00
  that's
• 12:00
  why
• 12:00
  we're
• 12:01
  now
• 12:01
  looking
• 12:01
  at
• 12:01
  a
• 12:01
  whole
• 12:02
  nother.
• 12:02
  Is
• 12:03
  it
• 12:03
  like
• 12:03
  old
• 12:03
  wine
• 12:04
  in
• 12:04
  a
• 12:04
  new
• 12:04
  bottle?
• 12:05
  Perhaps.
• 12:05
  But
• 12:06
  it's
• 12:06
  a
• 12:06
  dangerous
• 12:07
  new
• 12:07
  reality.
• 12:07
  We're
• 12:09
  with
• 12:09
  the
• 12:09
  surveillance
• 12:09
  capitalism
• 12:10
  that
• 12:10
  we're
• 12:10
  experiencing
• 12:11
  is
• 12:12
  huge
• 12:12
  opportunities
• 12:13
  for
• 12:13
  these
• 12:14
  people.
• 12:15
  You
• 12:15
  don't
• 12:15
  hear
• 12:15
  Bezos
• 12:16
  speaking
• 12:16
  up.
• 12:17
  He's
• 12:17
  paying
• 12:17
  $75
• 12:17
  million
• 12:18
  bribes
• 12:18
  to
• 12:19
  Trump
• 12:19
  to
• 12:19
  curry
• 12:20
  favor
• 12:20
  and
• 12:21
  at
• 12:21
  the
• 12:21
  same
• 12:21
  time,
• 12:22
  gutting
• 12:22
  the
• 12:22
  Washington
• 12:23
  Post.
• 12:23
  Yeah,
• 12:24
  when
• 12:24
  he
• 12:24
  bought
• 12:24
  the
• 12:24
  Washington
• 12:25
  Post,
• 12:25
  it
• 12:25
  was
• 12:26
  1/2
• 12:27
  of
• 12:27
  1%
• 12:27
  of
• 12:27
  his
• 12:28
  total
• 12:28
  wealth
• 12:28
  at
• 12:29
  the
• 12:29
  time.
• 12:29
  You
• 12:30
  know,
• 12:30
  it
• 12:30
  was
• 12:30
  like
• 12:30
  a
• 12:30
  cup
• 12:30
  of
• 12:30
  coffee.
• 12:31
  Yeah,
• 12:31
  yeah,
• 12:31
  exactly.
• 12:32
  It's
• 12:32
  media
• 12:32
  capture.
• 12:33
  And
• 12:33
  that's
• 12:33
  the
• 12:33
  other
• 12:33
  thing.
• 12:34
  I
• 12:34
  mean,
• 12:34
  if
• 12:34
  you
• 12:34
  really
• 12:34
  want
• 12:35
  to
• 12:35
  look
• 12:35
  at
• 12:35
  what's
• 12:35
  going
• 12:35
  on
• 12:35
  with
• 12:36
  legacy
• 12:36
  media,
• 12:37
  you
• 12:37
  know,
• 12:37
  they've
• 12:38
  kind
• 12:38
  of
• 12:38
  tied
• 12:38
  themselves
• 12:39
  to
• 12:39
  this
• 12:39
  proposition
• 12:40
  as
• 12:40
  well.
• 12:41
  And
• 12:41
  I
• 12:41
  think
• 12:42
  as
• 12:42
  this
• 12:43
  falls
• 12:43
  apart,
• 12:44
  so
• 12:44
  will
• 12:44
  the
• 12:44
  idea
• 12:45
  of
• 12:45
  there
• 12:45
  being,
• 12:45
  like
• 12:46
  a
• 12:46
  common
• 12:46
  ground.
• 12:47
  Now,
• 12:47
  the
• 12:47
  problem
• 12:48
  with
• 12:48
  that
• 12:48
  is
• 12:49
  we're
• 12:49
  also
• 12:49
  getting
• 12:49
  into
• 12:50
  more
• 12:50
  of
• 12:50
  a
• 12:50
  Tower
• 12:50
  of
• 12:51
  Babel,
• 12:51
  where
• 12:52
  all
• 12:52
  that
• 12:52
  data
• 12:52
  is
• 12:53
  going
• 12:53
  to
• 12:53
  curate
• 12:53
  information
• 12:54
  that
• 12:54
  will
• 12:54
  only
• 12:54
  reinforce
• 12:55
  our
• 12:56
  biases.
• 12:56
  And
• 12:56
  that's
• 12:57
  a
• 12:57
  very
• 12:57
  dangerous
• 12:57
  psychological
• 12:58
  truth.
• 12:59
  I'll
• 12:59
  only
• 13:00
  understand
• 13:00
  things
• 13:00
  in
• 13:01
  terms
• 13:01
  of
• 13:01
  what
• 13:01
  I
• 13:01
  already
• 13:02
  believed
• 13:02
  in.
• 13:02
  It's
• 13:03
  like
• 13:03
  a.
• 13:03
  It's
• 13:04
  like
• 13:04
  jury
• 13:04
  decision
• 13:04
  making.
• 13:05
  Once
• 13:05
  I
• 13:05
  know
• 13:05
  you're
• 13:05
  guilty,
• 13:06
  it
• 13:06
  doesn't
• 13:07
  matter
• 13:07
  if
• 13:07
  you
• 13:07
  come
• 13:07
  in
• 13:07
  and
• 13:07
  say,
• 13:08
  we
• 13:08
  found
• 13:08
  the
• 13:08
  actual
• 13:09
  murderer.
• 13:09
  No,
• 13:09
  no,
• 13:10
  no,
• 13:10
  no.
• 13:10
  I
• 13:10
  already
• 13:10
  know
• 13:10
  who
• 13:10
  the.
• 13:12
  That's
• 13:12
  what
• 13:12
  we're
• 13:12
  gonna
• 13:12
  see
• 13:12
  with
• 13:12
  our
• 13:12
  political
• 13:13
  decision
• 13:13
  making.
• 13:14
  Confirmation
• 13:14
  bias.
• 13:15
  Absolutely.
• 13:15
  Absolutely.
• 13:16
  You
• 13:16
  know,
• 13:16
  what
• 13:16
  you
• 13:16
  made
• 13:17
  me
• 13:17
  think
• 13:17
  about
• 13:17
  was
• 13:18
  Orson
• 13:18
  Welles
• 13:18
  and
• 13:19
  citizen
• 13:19
  Cain
• 13:19
  saying,
• 13:20
  I
• 13:20
  think
• 13:21
  it
• 13:21
  would
• 13:21
  be
• 13:21
  fun
• 13:22
  to
• 13:22
  run
• 13:22
  a
• 13:22
  newspaper.
• 13:24
  And
• 13:24
  speaking
• 13:25
  of
• 13:25
  Media
• 13:25
  captured,
• 13:26
  In
• 13:26
  2022,
• 13:27
  Elon
• 13:27
  Musk
• 13:27
  bought
• 13:28
  Twitter.
• 13:28
  Yes.
• 13:29
  And
• 13:29
  aggressively
• 13:30
  relaxed
• 13:30
  content
• 13:31
  oversight
• 13:31
  security.
• 13:32
  He
• 13:32
  terminated
• 13:33
  the
• 13:33
  technical
• 13:33
  staff
• 13:33
  who
• 13:34
  monitored
• 13:34
  the
• 13:34
  online
• 13:35
  content.
• 13:35
  Right.
• 13:36
  FCC
• 13:36
  Chairman
• 13:37
  Brandon
• 13:38
  Carr
• 13:38
  announced
• 13:38
  he's
• 13:39
  investigating
• 13:39
  the
• 13:39
  TV
• 13:39
  show
• 13:40
  the
• 13:40
  View
• 13:41
  after
• 13:41
  the
• 13:41
  appearance
• 13:42
  of
• 13:42
  a
• 13:42
  Texas
• 13:44
  candidate,
• 13:44
  James
• 13:45
  Talarico.
• 13:45
  But
• 13:46
  cbs,
• 13:46
  now
• 13:47
  run
• 13:47
  by
• 13:47
  the
• 13:48
  Ellisons,
• 13:49
  they
• 13:49
  wouldn't
• 13:49
  allow
• 13:49
  him
• 13:49
  on
• 13:50
  Colbert's
• 13:50
  show.
• 13:50
  So
• 13:51
  that's
• 13:51
  media
• 13:51
  captured.
• 13:52
  Colbert,
• 13:53
  to
• 13:53
  his
• 13:53
  credit,
• 13:54
  spoke
• 13:54
  out
• 13:54
  about
• 13:54
  it
• 13:54
  on
• 13:55
  the
• 13:55
  show,
• 13:55
  and
• 13:55
  then
• 13:55
  did
• 13:55
  a
• 13:56
  YouTube
• 13:56
  only
• 13:56
  interview.
• 13:57
  But,
• 13:57
  you
• 13:58
  know,
• 13:58
  think
• 13:58
  of
• 13:58
  it
• 13:58
  like
• 13:58
  this.
• 13:58
  It's
• 13:59
  like
• 13:59
  buying
• 13:59
  WorldCom
• 14:00
  stock
• 14:00
  and
• 14:00
  suddenly
• 14:01
  waking
• 14:01
  up
• 14:01
  one
• 14:01
  day
• 14:01
  and
• 14:02
  saying,
• 14:02
  it's
• 14:02
  worth
• 14:02
  16
• 14:03
  cents.
• 14:03
  Average
• 14:04
  American,
• 14:04
  at
• 14:04
  some
• 14:04
  point,
• 14:05
  as
• 14:05
  a
• 14:05
  behavioral
• 14:05
  scientist,
• 14:06
  is
• 14:06
  gonna
• 14:07
  look
• 14:07
  at
• 14:07
  Netflix.
• 14:08
  They're
• 14:09
  gonna
• 14:09
  look
• 14:09
  at
• 14:09
  CBS
• 14:11
  as
• 14:11
  being
• 14:11
  Pravda.
• 14:12
  They're
• 14:12
  gonna
• 14:12
  say,
• 14:13
  oh,
• 14:13
  this
• 14:13
  is
• 14:13
  all
• 14:14
  for
• 14:14
  show
• 14:15
  now.
• 14:15
  I
• 14:15
  don't
• 14:15
  take
• 14:15
  this
• 14:16
  stuff
• 14:16
  seriously.
• 14:16
  Now
• 14:17
  what
• 14:17
  I
• 14:17
  think
• 14:17
  the
• 14:17
  problem
• 14:17
  is
• 14:18
  not
• 14:18
  just
• 14:18
  maybe
• 14:19
  it
• 14:19
  won't
• 14:19
  be
• 14:19
  worth
• 14:19
  very
• 14:20
  much
• 14:20
  if
• 14:20
  you
• 14:20
  own
• 14:20
  those
• 14:20
  sources,
• 14:21
  but
• 14:22
  what's
• 14:22
  that
• 14:22
  gonna
• 14:22
  do
• 14:23
  to
• 14:23
  our
• 14:23
  decision
• 14:24
  making
• 14:24
  as
• 14:24
  a
• 14:24
  society?
• 14:25
  How
• 14:25
  are
• 14:25
  people
• 14:26
  gonna
• 14:26
  know
• 14:26
  what
• 14:26
  they
• 14:27
  should
• 14:27
  be
• 14:27
  buying,
• 14:28
  selling,
• 14:28
  working
• 14:29
  towards,
• 14:29
  if
• 14:30
  you
• 14:30
  know,
• 14:30
  it's
• 14:30
  all
• 14:30
  a
• 14:30
  lie.
• 14:31
  And
• 14:31
  I
• 14:31
  don't
• 14:31
  think
• 14:31
  I
• 14:32
  thought
• 14:32
  that
• 14:32
  through.
• 14:33
  Professor
• 14:33
  Ed
• 14:33
  Dunbar
• 14:34
  of
• 14:34
  UCLA
• 14:35
  is
• 14:35
  with
• 14:35
  us.
• 14:35
  Our
• 14:36
  guest
• 14:36
  today,
• 14:36
  an
• 14:36
  expert
• 14:36
  on
• 14:37
  authoritarianism.
• 14:38
  And
• 14:38
  the
• 14:38
  Firestine
• 14:38
  Theater.
• 14:39
  And
• 14:39
  the
• 14:39
  Firestine
• 14:39
  Theater.
• 14:40
  Have
• 14:40
  a
• 14:40
  good
• 14:40
  day
• 14:41
  now.
• 14:41
  How
• 14:41
  did
• 14:42
  you
• 14:42
  get.
• 14:42
  Bus.
• 14:43
  Oh,
• 14:43
  my
• 14:44
  goodness.
• 14:44
  Listening
• 14:44
  to
• 14:44
  the
• 14:45
  radio.
• 14:45
  Back
• 14:45
  to
• 14:46
  the
• 14:46
  radio.
• 14:46
  That's
• 14:46
  right.
• 14:47
  Yes.
• 14:47
  Yeah.
• 14:48
  Bose
• 14:48
  was
• 14:49
  on
• 14:49
  this
• 14:49
  bus.
• 14:50
  Yes,
• 14:50
  Right.
• 14:50
  Exactly.
• 14:51
  Exactly.
• 14:52
  Well,
• 14:52
  it's
• 14:53
  true.
• 14:53
  And
• 14:53
  the
• 14:53
  Firestine
• 14:54
  Theater
• 14:54
  was
• 14:54
  political.
• 14:55
  Absolutely.
• 14:56
  At
• 14:56
  its
• 14:56
  time.
• 14:56
  And
• 14:56
  we
• 14:56
  were
• 14:57
  anti
• 14:58
  war
• 14:58
  and
• 14:59
  all
• 14:59
  of
• 14:59
  that
• 14:59
  stuff.
• 15:00
  And
• 15:00
  we
• 15:00
  got
• 15:00
  into
• 15:00
  some
• 15:00
  trouble
• 15:01
  for
• 15:01
  it
• 15:02
  as
• 15:02
  well.
• 15:02
  Good
• 15:03
  trouble.
• 15:03
  But
• 15:04
  it
• 15:04
  was
• 15:04
  good
• 15:04
  trouble.
• 15:04
  Good
• 15:05
  trouble.
• 15:05
  Yes.
• 15:05
  And
• 15:06
  that's
• 15:06
  where
• 15:06
  we
• 15:06
  are
• 15:06
  now.
• 15:07
  We're
• 15:07
  in
• 15:07
  a
• 15:08
  time
• 15:08
  where
• 15:08
  we
• 15:08
  have
• 15:08
  to.
• 15:10
  Yes.
• 15:10
  We
• 15:11
  have
• 15:11
  to
• 15:11
  resist.
• 15:11
  Yes.
• 15:12
  It
• 15:12
  has
• 15:13
  to
• 15:13
  be
• 15:13
  good
• 15:13
  trouble.
• 15:13
  Yes.
• 15:14
  We
• 15:14
  have
• 15:14
  to
• 15:14
  make
• 15:15
  our
• 15:15
  voices
• 15:15
  heard.
• 15:16
  You
• 15:16
  quoted
• 15:17
  poet
• 15:17
  Kenneth
• 15:18
  Patchen.
• 15:18
  Oh,
• 15:18
  yes.
• 15:19
  No
• 15:19
  one
• 15:19
  works
• 15:20
  alone.
• 15:20
  Yes.
• 15:21
  I
• 15:21
  don't
• 15:21
  share
• 15:21
  my
• 15:21
  thoughts
• 15:22
  because
• 15:22
  I
• 15:22
  think
• 15:22
  it
• 15:23
  will
• 15:23
  change
• 15:23
  the
• 15:23
  minds
• 15:24
  of
• 15:24
  people
• 15:24
  who
• 15:24
  think
• 15:25
  differently.
• 15:25
  I
• 15:26
  share
• 15:26
  my
• 15:26
  thoughts
• 15:26
  to
• 15:26
  show
• 15:27
  people
• 15:27
  who
• 15:27
  already
• 15:28
  think
• 15:28
  like
• 15:28
  me
• 15:29
  that
• 15:29
  they're
• 15:29
  not
• 15:29
  alone.
• 15:30
  Yeah.
• 15:30
  And
• 15:30
  that's
• 15:30
  what's
• 15:30
  so
• 15:31
  important,
• 15:31
  because
• 15:32
  there's
• 15:32
  more
• 15:32
  of
• 15:32
  us
• 15:33
  than
• 15:33
  there
• 15:33
  are
• 15:33
  them.
• 15:34
  But
• 15:34
  we
• 15:35
  are
• 15:35
  feeling
• 15:36
  frightened.
• 15:36
  We
• 15:37
  are
• 15:37
  hiding.
• 15:39
  We
• 15:39
  are
• 15:39
  sometimes
• 15:40
  even
• 15:40
  turning
• 15:40
  on
• 15:41
  each
• 15:41
  other
• 15:41
  because
• 15:41
  we're
• 15:42
  so
• 15:42
  fearful.
• 15:43
  It's
• 15:43
  also,
• 15:44
  you
• 15:44
  know,
• 15:44
  to
• 15:45
  paraphrase
• 15:45
  another
• 15:46
  song,
• 15:46
  do
• 15:46
  you
• 15:46
  know
• 15:47
  who
• 15:47
  your
• 15:47
  friends
• 15:47
  are?
• 15:48
  I
• 15:48
  know
• 15:48
  a
• 15:49
  couple
• 15:49
  of
• 15:49
  guys
• 15:49
  who
• 15:49
  are
• 15:49
  hate
• 15:50
  crime
• 15:50
  researchers
• 15:51
  who,
• 15:51
  right
• 15:51
  after
• 15:51
  Charlie
• 15:52
  Kirk
• 15:52
  was
• 15:53
  assassinated,
• 15:53
  basically
• 15:54
  said,
• 15:54
  well,
• 15:54
  you
• 15:55
  know,
• 15:55
  Kirk
• 15:55
  had
• 15:56
  some
• 15:56
  good
• 15:56
  ideas
• 15:56
  there,
• 15:57
  and
• 15:57
  he
• 15:57
  was
• 15:57
  a
• 15:57
  real
• 15:58
  leader
• 15:58
  of
• 15:58
  youth.
• 15:58
  And
• 15:59
  I
• 15:59
  was
• 15:59
  like,
• 15:59
  wait
• 16:00
  a
• 16:00
  minute,
• 16:00
  what
• 16:00
  are
• 16:00
  you
• 16:01
  getting
• 16:01
  at?
• 16:01
  And
• 16:02
  some
• 16:02
  people
• 16:02
  find
• 16:02
  the
• 16:03
  short
• 16:03
  line
• 16:03
  to
• 16:03
  go
• 16:03
  stand
• 16:04
  in.
• 16:04
  And
• 16:04
  the
• 16:04
  short
• 16:05
  line
• 16:05
  is
• 16:05
  where
• 16:05
  things
• 16:05
  are
• 16:05
  going
• 16:06
  to
• 16:06
  be
• 16:06
  easier
• 16:06
  in
• 16:06
  the
• 16:07
  future
• 16:07
  if
• 16:07
  this
• 16:08
  holds.
• 16:09
  So
• 16:09
  we
• 16:09
  kind
• 16:09
  of
• 16:10
  find
• 16:10
  out
• 16:10
  who
• 16:10
  our
• 16:10
  real
• 16:10
  friends
• 16:11
  are
• 16:11
  through
• 16:11
  this
• 16:11
  process.
• 16:11
  Who
• 16:12
  are
• 16:12
  the
• 16:12
  people
• 16:12
  you
• 16:12
  can
• 16:12
  really
• 16:13
  rely
• 16:13
  upon.
• 16:13
  And,
• 16:14
  you
• 16:14
  know,
• 16:14
  I
• 16:15
  like
• 16:15
  to
• 16:15
  put
• 16:15
  it
• 16:15
  this
• 16:15
  way,
• 16:15
  because
• 16:16
  this
• 16:16
  is,
• 16:16
  I
• 16:16
  think,
• 16:16
  one
• 16:16
  of
• 16:17
  the
• 16:17
  bigger
• 16:17
  questions
• 16:17
  that
• 16:17
  kind
• 16:17
  of
• 16:18
  you
• 16:18
  guys
• 16:18
  are,
• 16:18
  like,
• 16:18
  asking
• 16:19
  me
• 16:19
  about.
• 16:19
  And
• 16:19
  that
• 16:19
  is,
• 16:20
  how
• 16:20
  do
• 16:20
  you
• 16:20
  make
• 16:21
  sense
• 16:21
  of
• 16:21
  being
• 16:21
  in
• 16:21
  these
• 16:22
  crazy
• 16:22
  times?
• 16:23
  Absolutely.
• 16:23
  Right.
• 16:23
  Yeah,
• 16:24
  yeah,
• 16:24
  yeah.
• 16:25
  There
• 16:25
  are
• 16:25
  some
• 16:26
  great
• 16:26
  benefits
• 16:27
  to
• 16:27
  what's
• 16:27
  happening
• 16:28
  right
• 16:28
  now.
• 16:28
  RFK
• 16:29
  Jr.
• 16:30
  Has
• 16:30
  instructed
• 16:31
  us
• 16:31
  now
• 16:32
  as
• 16:32
  to
• 16:32
  what
• 16:32
  kind
• 16:33
  of
• 16:33
  vegetables
• 16:33
  we
• 16:34
  can
• 16:34
  insert
• 16:34
  into
• 16:35
  our
• 16:35
  rectums.
• 16:36
  Yeah.
• 16:36
  But
• 16:36
  we
• 16:36
  know
• 16:37
  we're
• 16:37
  a
• 16:37
  banana.
• 16:37
  Well,
• 16:37
  you
• 16:38
  know
• 16:38
  why
• 16:38
  that's
• 16:38
  a.
• 16:38
  When
• 16:38
  they
• 16:39
  say
• 16:39
  a
• 16:39
  firm
• 16:40
  banana,
• 16:41
  you
• 16:41
  know,
• 16:41
  it
• 16:41
  has
• 16:41
  to
• 16:41
  be
• 16:41
  a
• 16:42
  firm.
• 16:42
  Banana
• 16:44
  because
• 16:44
  the
• 16:44
  website
• 16:46
  has
• 16:46
  an
• 16:46
  AI
• 16:46
  component,
• 16:47
  which,
• 16:47
  of
• 16:47
  course,
• 16:47
  was
• 16:47
  contracted
• 16:48
  out
• 16:48
  to
• 16:48
  Elon
• 16:49
  Musk,
• 16:50
  who
• 16:50
  has
• 16:50
  no
• 16:50
  governor
• 16:51
  the
• 16:51
  usual
• 16:51
  suspects.
• 16:52
  Right.
• 16:52
  That's
• 16:53
  why
• 16:53
  that
• 16:53
  question
• 16:53
  will
• 16:53
  be
• 16:53
  entertained.
• 16:55
  It's
• 16:55
  like
• 16:55
  jokes
• 16:56
  about
• 16:56
  Uncle
• 16:56
  Joe
• 16:57
  and
• 16:57
  Russia,
• 16:58
  and,
• 16:58
  you
• 16:58
  know,
• 16:58
  people
• 16:58
  make
• 16:59
  fun
• 16:59
  of
• 16:59
  Putin,
• 17:00
  you
• 17:00
  know,
• 17:00
  in
• 17:00
  Moscow.
• 17:01
  And,
• 17:01
  you
• 17:01
  know,
• 17:02
  there
• 17:02
  was
• 17:02
  a
• 17:02
  time
• 17:02
  that
• 17:03
  Hitler
• 17:03
  was
• 17:03
  thought
• 17:03
  to
• 17:04
  be
• 17:04
  kind
• 17:04
  of
• 17:04
  a
• 17:04
  buffoon,
• 17:05
  you
• 17:05
  know.
• 17:05
  Yeah,
• 17:05
  that's
• 17:06
  right.
• 17:06
  Yeah.
• 17:07
  Chaplin
• 17:07
  epitomized
• 17:08
  it
• 17:08
  so
• 17:08
  well,
• 17:09
  in
• 17:09
  the.
• 17:09
  Dictator,
• 17:10
  you
• 17:10
  write
• 17:11
  about
• 17:11
  how
• 17:11
  societies
• 17:12
  slip
• 17:12
  into
• 17:12
  authoritarianism.
• 17:13
  Absolutely.
• 17:14
  And
• 17:14
  this
• 17:14
  is
• 17:14
  nothing
• 17:15
  new.
• 17:15
  Nothing
• 17:15
  at
• 17:16
  all.
• 17:16
  As
• 17:16
  you
• 17:16
  wrote,
• 17:16
  there's
• 17:16
  nothing
• 17:17
  new
• 17:17
  under
• 17:17
  the
• 17:17
  sun.
• 17:18
  It
• 17:18
  goes
• 17:19
  back
• 17:19
  to
• 17:19
  Julius
• 17:19
  Caesar
• 17:20
  at
• 17:20
  least.
• 17:21
  I
• 17:21
  mean,
• 17:21
  I
• 17:21
  think
• 17:21
  it
• 17:21
  goes
• 17:22
  back
• 17:22
  to
• 17:22
  the
• 17:22
  beginning
• 17:22
  of
• 17:23
  2001,
• 17:23
  where
• 17:23
  you
• 17:24
  got
• 17:24
  the
• 17:24
  monkeys
• 17:24
  fighting
• 17:25
  over
• 17:25
  the
• 17:25
  water,
• 17:26
  and
• 17:26
  you
• 17:26
  got
• 17:27
  the
• 17:27
  two
• 17:27
  groups
• 17:27
  of
• 17:27
  monkeys,
• 17:28
  you
• 17:28
  know,
• 17:28
  fighting
• 17:28
  each
• 17:28
  other.
• 17:29
  It's
• 17:29
  the
• 17:29
  same
• 17:29
  idea,
• 17:30
  you
• 17:30
  know,
• 17:30
  and
• 17:30
  really,
• 17:31
  you
• 17:31
  can
• 17:31
  look
• 17:31
  at
• 17:31
  authoritarianism
• 17:32
  as
• 17:32
  I've
• 17:33
  always
• 17:33
  been
• 17:33
  around,
• 17:34
  but
• 17:34
  you
• 17:34
  can
• 17:34
  also
• 17:35
  look
• 17:35
  at
• 17:35
  really
• 17:35
  ancient
• 17:36
  societies
• 17:36
  that
• 17:36
  were
• 17:36
  clearly
• 17:37
  democratic.
• 17:38
  So
• 17:39
  we've
• 17:39
  always
• 17:39
  had
• 17:39
  this
• 17:40
  duality
• 17:40
  occurring,
• 17:41
  you
• 17:41
  know,
• 17:41
  always
• 17:41
  this
• 17:41
  kind
• 17:41
  of
• 17:42
  push
• 17:42
  and
• 17:42
  pull,
• 17:42
  this
• 17:42
  yin
• 17:43
  and
• 17:43
  yang
• 17:43
  kind
• 17:43
  of
• 17:43
  a
• 17:44
  thing.
• 17:44
  Von
• 17:45
  Hindenburg
• 17:45
  was
• 17:46
  in
• 17:46
  decline.
• 17:46
  Hitler
• 17:47
  took
• 17:47
  over.
• 17:47
  Absolutely.
• 17:48
  Biden
• 17:49
  in
• 17:49
  decline.
• 17:50
  The
• 17:50
  king
• 17:51
  with
• 17:52
  the
• 17:52
  march
• 17:52
  on
• 17:52
  Rome
• 17:53
  and
• 17:53
  saying,
• 17:53
  you
• 17:53
  know,
• 17:54
  I
• 17:54
  don't
• 17:54
  have
• 17:54
  it
• 17:54
  in
• 17:55
  me
• 17:55
  to
• 17:55
  fight
• 17:55
  back
• 17:55
  again.
• 17:56
  So
• 17:56
  Caesar
• 17:56
  comes
• 17:57
  to
• 17:57
  power.
• 17:57
  Yeah,
• 17:57
  yeah.
• 17:58
  The
• 17:58
  Mensheviks,
• 17:59
  who
• 17:59
  didn't
• 17:59
  know
• 17:59
  what
• 17:59
  to
• 17:59
  do
• 17:59
  when
• 18:00
  they
• 18:00
  were
• 18:00
  given
• 18:00
  power
• 18:00
  after
• 18:01
  the
• 18:01
  tsar
• 18:01
  was
• 18:01
  taken
• 18:02
  away.
• 18:02
  You
• 18:02
  know,
• 18:02
  Robert
• 18:03
  Paxton,
• 18:03
  a
• 18:04
  real
• 18:04
  genius
• 18:05
  in
• 18:05
  the
• 18:05
  study
• 18:05
  of
• 18:06
  fascism,
• 18:06
  said,
• 18:07
  what
• 18:07
  do
• 18:07
  you
• 18:07
  know
• 18:07
  about
• 18:07
  fascism?
• 18:08
  You
• 18:08
  know,
• 18:08
  the
• 18:09
  government
• 18:09
  that
• 18:09
  was
• 18:09
  there
• 18:10
  before
• 18:10
  was
• 18:10
  weak
• 18:11
  and
• 18:11
  it
• 18:12
  wasn't
• 18:12
  able
• 18:12
  to
• 18:12
  defend
• 18:13
  itself.
• 18:14
  And
• 18:14
  I've
• 18:15
  been
• 18:15
  asked
• 18:15
  this.
• 18:15
  It's
• 18:16
  like,
• 18:16
  well,
• 18:16
  was
• 18:17
  Biden
• 18:17
  so
• 18:17
  weak?
• 18:18
  And
• 18:18
  my
• 18:18
  comment
• 18:18
  is
• 18:19
  he
• 18:19
  had
• 18:19
  three
• 18:20
  authoritarians
• 18:21
  elected,
• 18:21
  popularly
• 18:22
  elected.
• 18:23
  Duterte
• 18:23
  in
• 18:24
  the
• 18:24
  Philippines,
• 18:24
  Bolsonaro
• 18:25
  in
• 18:25
  Brazil,
• 18:26
  and
• 18:27
  Donald
• 18:27
  Trump
• 18:27
  in
• 18:28
  2016.
• 18:29
  They
• 18:29
  were
• 18:29
  all
• 18:29
  voted
• 18:30
  out.
• 18:31
  There
• 18:31
  was
• 18:31
  an
• 18:31
  insurrection
• 18:32
  in
• 18:32
  Brazil.
• 18:33
  There
• 18:33
  was
• 18:33
  an
• 18:34
  insurrection
• 18:34
  in
• 18:34
  the
• 18:35
  United
• 18:35
  States.
• 18:35
  Duterte
• 18:37
  was
• 18:38
  just
• 18:38
  making
• 18:38
  a
• 18:38
  lot
• 18:38
  of
• 18:38
  noise.
• 18:39
  Nobody
• 18:39
  got
• 18:39
  him
• 18:39
  right
• 18:40
  away
• 18:40
  that
• 18:40
  way.
• 18:41
  The
• 18:42
  Brazilians
• 18:42
  put
• 18:43
  down
• 18:43
  their
• 18:43
  insurrection
• 18:44
  within
• 18:44
  about
• 18:44
  a
• 18:44
  week.
• 18:45
  He
• 18:45
  is
• 18:46
  now
• 18:46
  facing
• 18:47
  27
• 18:47
  years
• 18:47
  in
• 18:48
  prison.
• 18:48
  Duterte
• 18:49
  is
• 18:49
  now
• 18:49
  in
• 18:50
  the
• 18:50
  Hague,
• 18:50
  incarcerated
• 18:51
  for
• 18:52
  crimes
• 18:52
  against
• 18:52
  humanity,
• 18:53
  and
• 18:53
  our
• 18:53
  guy's
• 18:54
  back
• 18:54
  in
• 18:54
  power.
• 18:55
  So
• 18:56
  somebody
• 18:57
  missed
• 18:57
  the
• 18:58
  message
• 18:58
  here.
• 18:58
  Somebody
• 18:59
  didn't
• 18:59
  get
• 18:59
  the
• 19:00
  memo.
• 19:00
  And
• 19:00
  unfortunately,
• 19:01
  it's
• 19:01
  our
• 19:01
  society.
• 19:02
  If
• 19:02
  we
• 19:02
  had
• 19:03
  responded,
• 19:03
  like
• 19:03
  the
• 19:03
  Brazilian
• 19:04
  government,
• 19:04
  back
• 19:05
  to
• 19:05
  American
• 19:05
  exceptionalism,
• 19:06
  aren't
• 19:07
  we
• 19:07
  wonderful?
• 19:07
  Well,
• 19:08
  if
• 19:08
  we'd
• 19:08
  done
• 19:08
  the
• 19:08
  same
• 19:09
  thing
• 19:09
  as
• 19:09
  our
• 19:09
  neighbors
• 19:09
  down
• 19:10
  south,
• 19:10
  we're
• 19:11
  not
• 19:11
  having
• 19:11
  this
• 19:11
  conversation
• 19:12
  right
• 19:12
  now,
• 19:13
  which
• 19:13
  is
• 19:13
  extraordinary.
• 19:14
  What's
• 19:15
  interesting
• 19:15
  to
• 19:16
  me
• 19:16
  is
• 19:16
  the
• 19:16
  Epstein
• 19:17
  files
• 19:18
  and
• 19:18
  how
• 19:18
  definitive
• 19:19
  they
• 19:19
  are.
• 19:19
  They're
• 19:20
  bringing
• 19:20
  down
• 19:20
  monarchies
• 19:21
  and
• 19:22
  governments
• 19:22
  overseas,.
• 19:23
  Healthcare
• 19:24
  researchers,
• 19:25
  and
• 19:25
  there's
• 19:25
  more
• 19:25
  of
• 19:25
  us
• 19:26
  than
• 19:26
  there
• 19:26
  are
• 19:26
  of
• 19:26
  them.
• 19:27
  That's
• 19:27
  the
• 19:27
  paradox.
• 19:27
  There
• 19:28
  are
• 19:28
  more
• 19:28
  people
• 19:28
  saying,
• 19:29
  I
• 19:29
  don't
• 19:29
  want
• 19:30
  this,
• 19:30
  even
• 19:30
  more
• 19:31
  people
• 19:31
  saying,
• 19:31
  I
• 19:31
  didn't
• 19:32
  vote
• 19:32
  for
• 19:32
  this.
• 19:32
  But
• 19:33
  we're
• 19:33
  still
• 19:33
  left
• 19:33
  with
• 19:34
  another
• 19:34
  dilemma
• 19:34
  about
• 19:34
  the
• 19:35
  American
• 19:35
  psyche,
• 19:36
  is
• 19:36
  that,
• 19:36
  as
• 19:36
  you
• 19:36
  both
• 19:37
  know,
• 19:37
  more
• 19:38
  people
• 19:38
  didn't
• 19:38
  vote
• 19:39
  for
• 19:39
  either
• 19:39
  candidate
• 19:40
  in
• 19:40
  the
• 19:40
  last
• 19:40
  major
• 19:40
  election
• 19:41
  than
• 19:41
  voted
• 19:42
  for
• 19:42
  either
• 19:42
  Harris
• 19:43
  or
• 19:43
  Trump.
• 19:43
  So
• 19:44
  we're
• 19:44
  left
• 19:44
  with
• 19:44
  this
• 19:45
  idea
• 19:45
  of
• 19:46
  a
• 19:46
  lack
• 19:47
  of
• 19:47
  energy,
• 19:48
  a
• 19:48
  lack
• 19:48
  of
• 19:48
  initiative.
• 19:49
  And
• 19:49
  I
• 19:49
  think
• 19:50
  that
• 19:50
  that's
• 19:50
  not
• 19:50
  by
• 19:50
  an
• 19:51
  accident.
• 19:51
  I
• 19:51
  think
• 19:51
  there
• 19:52
  has
• 19:52
  clearly
• 19:52
  been
• 19:53
  a
• 19:53
  lot
• 19:53
  of
• 19:53
  very
• 19:53
  bright
• 19:53
  boys
• 19:54
  and
• 19:54
  girls
• 19:54
  who've
• 19:55
  been
• 19:55
  working
• 19:55
  for
• 19:55
  a
• 19:55
  long
• 19:56
  time
• 19:57
  undermine
• 19:57
  our
• 19:58
  sense
• 19:58
  of
• 19:58
  democratic
• 19:59
  necessity.
• 20:00
  And
• 20:00
  I
• 20:00
  think
• 20:00
  that's
• 20:01
  part
• 20:01
  of
• 20:01
  what's
• 20:01
  now
• 20:01
  caught
• 20:02
  up
• 20:02
  with
• 20:02
  us.
• 20:03
  Dismantling
• 20:03
  the
• 20:03
  EPA
• 20:04
  pollution
• 20:04
  emissions
• 20:05
  standards
• 20:05
  and
• 20:06
  withdrawing
• 20:07
  from
• 20:07
  who.
• 20:07
  And
• 20:08
  all
• 20:08
  these
• 20:08
  people
• 20:08
  are
• 20:09
  dying
• 20:10
  that
• 20:10
  are
• 20:10
  not
• 20:10
  getting
• 20:10
  help.
• 20:11
  Now,
• 20:11
  why?
• 20:12
  Why
• 20:12
  would
• 20:12
  they
• 20:12
  do
• 20:12
  that?
• 20:13
  Well,
• 20:13
  again,
• 20:13
  it's
• 20:14
  because
• 20:14
  it's
• 20:14
  a
• 20:14
  profit
• 20:15
  motive,
• 20:15
  isn't
• 20:15
  it?
• 20:16
  Well,
• 20:16
  it's
• 20:16
  a
• 20:16
  profit
• 20:17
  motive,
• 20:17
  but
• 20:17
  it's
• 20:18
  also
• 20:18
  the
• 20:18
  people
• 20:19
  that
• 20:19
  are
• 20:19
  in
• 20:19
  positions
• 20:20
  of
• 20:20
  political
• 20:20
  leadership
• 20:21
  are
• 20:21
  really,
• 20:22
  frankly,
• 20:23
  quite
• 20:23
  antisocial.
• 20:24
  And
• 20:24
  this
• 20:24
  is
• 20:24
  not
• 20:25
  just
• 20:25
  Trump,
• 20:25
  and
• 20:26
  it's
• 20:26
  not
• 20:26
  just
• 20:26
  today.
• 20:26
  You
• 20:27
  know,
• 20:27
  Stalin
• 20:28
  started
• 20:28
  out
• 20:28
  after
• 20:29
  he
• 20:29
  was
• 20:29
  beaten
• 20:29
  up
• 20:29
  by
• 20:30
  his
• 20:30
  dad
• 20:30
  for
• 20:30
  many
• 20:30
  years
• 20:31
  as
• 20:31
  a
• 20:31
  train
• 20:31
  robber.
• 20:32
  We
• 20:33
  have,
• 20:33
  you
• 20:33
  know,
• 20:33
  sort
• 20:34
  of,
• 20:34
  you
• 20:34
  know,
• 20:34
  Mao
• 20:35
  as
• 20:35
  more
• 20:35
  of
• 20:35
  a
• 20:35
  bandit
• 20:36
  than
• 20:36
  of
• 20:36
  a
• 20:36
  theoretician.
• 20:37
  You
• 20:37
  know,
• 20:38
  we've
• 20:38
  seen
• 20:38
  this
• 20:38
  for
• 20:39
  decades
• 20:39
  now.
• 20:40
  These
• 20:40
  are
• 20:40
  people
• 20:41
  that
• 20:41
  don't
• 20:41
  really
• 20:42
  have
• 20:43
  a
• 20:43
  lot
• 20:43
  of
• 20:43
  concerns
• 20:44
  about
• 20:44
  what
• 20:44
  it's
• 20:44
  going
• 20:44
  to
• 20:44
  do
• 20:45
  to
• 20:45
  the
• 20:45
  average
• 20:45
  individual.
• 20:46
  They
• 20:46
  never
• 20:46
  have.
• 20:47
  And
• 20:47
  if
• 20:47
  anything,
• 20:48
  I
• 20:48
  think
• 20:48
  because
• 20:48
  of
• 20:49
  extreme
• 20:49
  wealth,
• 20:50
  less
• 20:50
  so
• 20:50
  today
• 20:50
  than
• 20:51
  even
• 20:51
  a
• 20:51
  hundred
• 20:51
  years
• 20:51
  ago.
• 20:52
  In
• 20:52
  your
• 20:52
  book,
• 20:53
  you
• 20:53
  talk
• 20:53
  about
• 20:53
  this,
• 20:54
  the
• 20:54
  personal
• 20:54
  psychologies
• 20:55
  of
• 20:55
  authoritarianism,
• 20:56
  and
• 20:56
  a
• 20:56
  lot
• 20:56
  of
• 20:57
  it
• 20:57
  had
• 20:57
  to
• 20:57
  do
• 20:57
  with
• 20:57
  childhood
• 20:58
  privation
• 20:58
  and
• 20:59
  abuse.
• 20:59
  Pretty
• 21:00
  awful.
• 21:00
  Saddam
• 21:00
  Hussein
• 21:01
  of
• 21:01
  Iraq,
• 21:02
  whose
• 21:02
  childhood
• 21:03
  was
• 21:03
  marked
• 21:03
  by
• 21:03
  an
• 21:03
  abusive
• 21:04
  stepfather
• 21:04
  who
• 21:05
  perpetrated
• 21:06
  chronic
• 21:06
  psychological
• 21:07
  and
• 21:07
  physical
• 21:07
  violence
• 21:08
  upon
• 21:08
  the
• 21:08
  family.
• 21:08
  Joseph
• 21:09
  Stalin,
• 21:09
  his
• 21:10
  father
• 21:10
  was
• 21:10
  exceedingly
• 21:11
  violent.
• 21:11
  Exactly.
• 21:12
  Died
• 21:12
  in
• 21:12
  a
• 21:12
  bar
• 21:13
  fight.
• 21:13
  Idiom.
• 21:14
  His
• 21:14
  childhood
• 21:15
  was
• 21:15
  fraught
• 21:15
  with
• 21:16
  poverty,
• 21:16
  parental
• 21:16
  abandonment,
• 21:17
  exposure
• 21:18
  to
• 21:18
  violence
• 21:18
  of
• 21:19
  a
• 21:19
  ritualistic
• 21:19
  nature.
• 21:20
  Which
• 21:20
  might
• 21:20
  explain
• 21:20
  why
• 21:21
  he
• 21:21
  cannibalized
• 21:22
  his
• 21:22
  wife's
• 21:22
  heart.
• 21:23
  Yes,
• 21:23
  on
• 21:23
  one
• 21:24
  hand.
• 21:24
  Or
• 21:24
  where
• 21:24
  Joe
• 21:24
  Stalin,
• 21:25
  years
• 21:25
  before
• 21:25
  he
• 21:26
  had
• 21:26
  formal
• 21:26
  power,
• 21:27
  said,
• 21:27
  my
• 21:27
  idea
• 21:28
  of
• 21:28
  fun
• 21:28
  is
• 21:29
  to
• 21:29
  sit
• 21:29
  around
• 21:29
  and
• 21:29
  think
• 21:29
  about
• 21:29
  who
• 21:30
  I'd
• 21:30
  like
• 21:30
  to
• 21:30
  kill
• 21:30
  tomorrow.
• 21:31
  What
• 21:31
  about
• 21:31
  the
• 21:32
  sheikh
• 21:32
  who
• 21:32
  was
• 21:32
  just
• 21:33
  thrown
• 21:33
  out
• 21:33
  of
• 21:33
  the
• 21:34
  big
• 21:34
  company?
• 21:34
  Guy.
• 21:34
  What
• 21:34
  was
• 21:35
  his
• 21:35
  name?
• 21:35
  Because
• 21:36
  he
• 21:36
  Wrote
• 21:36
  an
• 21:36
  email
• 21:37
  to
• 21:37
  Jeffrey
• 21:38
  Epstein
• 21:39
  saying,
• 21:39
  hey,
• 21:39
  it
• 21:40
  was
• 21:40
  great
• 21:40
  to
• 21:40
  see
• 21:40
  you.
• 21:40
  Sorry
• 21:40
  I
• 21:41
  missed
• 21:41
  you.
• 21:41
  Really
• 21:41
  enjoyed
• 21:42
  the
• 21:42
  torture
• 21:42
  videos.
• 21:43
  Yeah,
• 21:43
  yeah.
• 21:44
  Well,
• 21:45
  this
• 21:45
  is
• 21:45
  where
• 21:46
  you
• 21:46
  put
• 21:46
  the
• 21:46
  autocrat
• 21:47
  on
• 21:47
  the
• 21:47
  couch
• 21:47
  and
• 21:48
  say,
• 21:48
  we
• 21:48
  are
• 21:49
  looking
• 21:49
  at
• 21:49
  some
• 21:49
  people
• 21:49
  that
• 21:49
  not
• 21:50
  just
• 21:50
  want
• 21:50
  a
• 21:50
  lot
• 21:50
  of
• 21:50
  money
• 21:51
  and
• 21:51
  want
• 21:51
  a
• 21:52
  lot
• 21:52
  of
• 21:52
  power,
• 21:52
  but
• 21:52
  have
• 21:53
  a
• 21:53
  very
• 21:53
  perverse
• 21:54
  idea
• 21:54
  about
• 21:54
  human
• 21:55
  relationships.
• 21:56
  And,
• 21:56
  you
• 21:57
  know,
• 21:57
  if
• 21:57
  I
• 21:57
  could
• 21:58
  sound
• 21:58
  a
• 21:58
  little
• 21:58
  prosaic
• 21:59
  for
• 21:59
  a
• 21:59
  moment,
• 21:59
  I
• 22:00
  think
• 22:00
  that
• 22:00
  the
• 22:00
  greatest
• 22:00
  tonic
• 22:01
  against
• 22:01
  authoritarianism
• 22:02
  is
• 22:02
  love.
• 22:03
  End
• 22:03
  of
• 22:04
  story.
• 22:04
  Because
• 22:05
  none
• 22:05
  of
• 22:05
  these
• 22:05
  people
• 22:06
  have
• 22:07
  good
• 22:07
  intimate
• 22:08
  relationships,
• 22:09
  have
• 22:09
  a
• 22:09
  love
• 22:09
  for
• 22:10
  their
• 22:10
  country,
• 22:10
  have
• 22:10
  a
• 22:11
  love
• 22:11
  for
• 22:11
  their
• 22:11
  people.
• 22:12
  So
• 22:12
  the
• 22:12
  real
• 22:13
  tonic
• 22:13
  to
• 22:13
  this
• 22:14
  is
• 22:14
  to
• 22:14
  know
• 22:14
  what
• 22:15
  you
• 22:15
  care
• 22:15
  about.
• 22:15
  Because
• 22:16
  they
• 22:16
  don't
• 22:16
  know
• 22:17
  that
• 22:17
  you
• 22:18
  talk.
• 22:18
  About
• 22:18
  Mussolini,
• 22:19
  Modi,
• 22:20
  Kim
• 22:20
  Jong,
• 22:20
  Un.
• 22:21
  They
• 22:21
  all
• 22:21
  have
• 22:21
  narcissistic
• 22:22
  personality
• 22:23
  disorder.
• 22:24
  I'll
• 22:24
  put
• 22:24
  it
• 22:24
  this
• 22:24
  way.
• 22:25
  Yes,
• 22:25
  a
• 22:25
  lot
• 22:25
  of
• 22:25
  them
• 22:26
  show
• 22:26
  a
• 22:26
  lot
• 22:26
  of
• 22:26
  antisocial
• 22:28
  characteristics,
• 22:29
  and
• 22:29
  the
• 22:29
  narcissism
• 22:30
  is
• 22:30
  almost
• 22:30
  like
• 22:31
  maybe
• 22:31
  an
• 22:31
  antisocial
• 22:32
  kind
• 22:32
  of
• 22:32
  cleaned
• 22:33
  up,
• 22:33
  you
• 22:33
  know,
• 22:33
  or
• 22:34
  an
• 22:34
  antisocial
• 22:34
  in
• 22:34
  a
• 22:35
  nice
• 22:35
  suit.
• 22:35
  But,
• 22:36
  yeah,
• 22:36
  these
• 22:36
  are
• 22:36
  people,
• 22:37
  as
• 22:37
  I
• 22:37
  say,
• 22:37
  who
• 22:37
  have
• 22:38
  no
• 22:38
  compassion
• 22:39
  or
• 22:39
  connectivity.
• 22:40
  And
• 22:41
  ironically,
• 22:41
  we'll
• 22:42
  do
• 22:42
  the
• 22:42
  whole
• 22:42
  spiel
• 22:43
  about,
• 22:43
  you
• 22:43
  know,
• 22:43
  I'm
• 22:44
  here
• 22:44
  to
• 22:44
  bond
• 22:45
  and
• 22:45
  connect
• 22:45
  with
• 22:46
  my
• 22:46
  people.
• 22:47
  And,
• 22:47
  you
• 22:47
  know,
• 22:47
  they
• 22:48
  do
• 22:48
  that
• 22:48
  whole
• 22:48
  ultra
• 22:49
  nationalism.
• 22:50
  Really
• 22:50
  what
• 22:50
  I
• 22:50
  talk
• 22:50
  about
• 22:51
  is
• 22:51
  authoritarianism,
• 22:53
  ultra
• 22:53
  nationalism,
• 22:54
  and
• 22:54
  xenophobia.
• 22:55
  When
• 22:55
  you
• 22:55
  see
• 22:55
  those
• 22:55
  things
• 22:56
  coming
• 22:56
  together,
• 22:57
  bad
• 22:57
  stuff
• 22:58
  is
• 22:58
  gonna
• 22:58
  follow.
• 22:59
  Absolutely.
• 23:00
  Yeah.
• 23:00
  These
• 23:01
  autocrats
• 23:01
  had,
• 23:01
  as
• 23:02
  you
• 23:02
  said,
• 23:02
  unstable
• 23:02
  relationship
• 23:03
  history.
• 23:03
  Mussolini,
• 23:04
  he
• 23:05
  had
• 23:05
  sexual
• 23:05
  issues.
• 23:06
  He
• 23:06
  was
• 23:06
  abusive
• 23:07
  to
• 23:07
  women.
• 23:07
  Yes.
• 23:08
  Gaddafi
• 23:09
  also
• 23:10
  had
• 23:10
  a
• 23:10
  sexual
• 23:11
  compulsion
• 23:11
  that
• 23:11
  included
• 23:12
  frequent
• 23:12
  acts
• 23:13
  of
• 23:13
  violence
• 23:13
  to
• 23:13
  his
• 23:13
  female
• 23:14
  partners.
• 23:14
  Donald
• 23:15
  Trump,
• 23:16
  married
• 23:16
  three
• 23:16
  times,
• 23:17
  has
• 23:17
  been
• 23:17
  linked
• 23:17
  to
• 23:17
  porn
• 23:18
  stars.
• 23:18
  And
• 23:19
  more
• 23:19
  ominously,
• 23:19
  of
• 23:20
  course,
• 23:20
  his
• 23:20
  very
• 23:21
  close
• 23:21
  friendship
• 23:21
  with
• 23:22
  Jeffrey
• 23:22
  Epstein
• 23:23
  and
• 23:23
  all
• 23:23
  the
• 23:23
  accusations
• 23:24
  about
• 23:24
  their
• 23:25
  pedophilia.
• 23:25
  Absolutely.
• 23:26
  And
• 23:26
  that
• 23:26
  is
• 23:27
  making
• 23:27
  us
• 23:27
  have
• 23:27
  to
• 23:27
  rethink
• 23:28
  the
• 23:28
  idea
• 23:28
  that
• 23:29
  these
• 23:29
  people
• 23:29
  who
• 23:29
  got
• 23:30
  us
• 23:30
  here
• 23:31
  really
• 23:31
  are
• 23:32
  very
• 23:32
  problematic
• 23:32
  and
• 23:33
  that
• 23:33
  they're
• 23:33
  very,
• 23:33
  very
• 23:34
  notion
• 23:34
  of
• 23:34
  their
• 23:34
  governance
• 23:35
  is
• 23:35
  based
• 23:36
  on
• 23:36
  some
• 23:36
  very
• 23:37
  un
• 23:37
  American,
• 23:38
  unchristian
• 23:39
  ideas.
• 23:40
  Yeah,
• 23:40
  you
• 23:41
  talk
• 23:41
  about
• 23:41
  the
• 23:42
  four
• 23:42
  horsemen
• 23:42
  of
• 23:43
  autocracy.
• 23:44
  So
• 23:44
  here
• 23:44
  are,
• 23:44
  like,
• 23:44
  the
• 23:45
  things
• 23:45
  when
• 23:45
  these
• 23:45
  start
• 23:46
  to
• 23:46
  kind
• 23:46
  of
• 23:46
  go
• 23:46
  to
• 23:47
  the
• 23:47
  wrong
• 23:47
  side,
• 23:47
  go
• 23:48
  to
• 23:48
  the
• 23:48
  dark
• 23:48
  side,
• 23:48
  if
• 23:49
  you
• 23:49
  want
• 23:49
  to
• 23:49
  put
• 23:49
  it
• 23:49
  that
• 23:49
  way.
• 23:50
  You
• 23:50
  know,
• 23:50
  you're
• 23:50
  in
• 23:50
  trouble.
• 23:51
  Okay,
• 23:51
  so
• 23:51
  number
• 23:51
  one
• 23:52
  is
• 23:52
  the
• 23:53
  lack
• 23:53
  of
• 23:53
  political
• 23:53
  choice,
• 23:55
  we
• 23:55
  say
• 23:55
  the
• 23:56
  lack
• 23:56
  of
• 23:56
  political
• 23:56
  plurality.
• 23:57
  Number
• 23:58
  two
• 23:58
  was
• 23:58
  the
• 23:58
  lack
• 23:58
  of
• 23:58
  there
• 23:59
  being
• 23:59
  any
• 23:59
  idea
• 23:59
  of
• 24:00
  being
• 24:00
  an
• 24:00
  alternate
• 24:01
  press
• 24:01
  or
• 24:01
  a
• 24:01
  free
• 24:01
  press.
• 24:02
  Number
• 24:03
  three
• 24:03
  is
• 24:03
  that
• 24:03
  there's
• 24:03
  really
• 24:04
  no
• 24:04
  idea,
• 24:04
  such
• 24:05
  as
• 24:05
  judicial
• 24:06
  independence
• 24:06
  or
• 24:06
  freedom.
• 24:07
  And
• 24:07
  then
• 24:08
  number
• 24:08
  four
• 24:08
  is
• 24:08
  the
• 24:08
  idea
• 24:09
  that
• 24:09
  there's
• 24:09
  really
• 24:09
  no
• 24:10
  real
• 24:10
  true
• 24:10
  elections.
• 24:11
  Now,
• 24:11
  again,
• 24:12
  I
• 24:12
  sit
• 24:13
  around
• 24:13
  and
• 24:13
  I
• 24:13
  run
• 24:13
  statistics
• 24:14
  on
• 24:14
  these
• 24:14
  sorts
• 24:14
  of
• 24:15
  things.
• 24:15
  And
• 24:15
  what
• 24:15
  is
• 24:16
  interesting
• 24:16
  is
• 24:16
  that
• 24:17
  in
• 24:17
  2024,
• 24:18
  the
• 24:18
  predictor
• 24:19
  of
• 24:19
  a
• 24:20
  country
• 24:21
  not
• 24:21
  only
• 24:21
  being
• 24:21
  autocratic
• 24:22
  but
• 24:22
  also
• 24:22
  becoming
• 24:23
  increasingly
• 24:24
  likely
• 24:24
  to
• 24:24
  perpetrate
• 24:25
  genocide
• 24:26
  on
• 24:26
  its
• 24:26
  own
• 24:26
  citizens
• 24:27
  was
• 24:28
  the
• 24:28
  lack
• 24:28
  of
• 24:28
  the
• 24:29
  freedom
• 24:29
  of
• 24:29
  the
• 24:29
  press.
• 24:30
  And
• 24:31
  if
• 24:31
  you
• 24:31
  really
• 24:31
  want
• 24:32
  to
• 24:32
  talk
• 24:32
  about
• 24:32
  the
• 24:32
  idea
• 24:32
  of,
• 24:33
  like,
• 24:33
  a
• 24:33
  tipping
• 24:33
  hypothesis,
• 24:34
  I
• 24:34
  like,
• 24:34
  when
• 24:35
  do
• 24:35
  you
• 24:35
  go
• 24:35
  from
• 24:35
  being
• 24:35
  like
• 24:36
  a
• 24:36
  quasi
• 24:36
  democracy
• 24:37
  to
• 24:38
  sort
• 24:38
  of
• 24:38
  going
• 24:38
  down
• 24:39
  the
• 24:39
  rabbit
• 24:39
  hole?
• 24:40
  It's
• 24:40
  when
• 24:40
  any
• 24:40
  of
• 24:41
  those
• 24:41
  four
• 24:41
  things,
• 24:42
  when
• 24:42
  two
• 24:42
  of
• 24:42
  them
• 24:43
  have
• 24:43
  been
• 24:43
  lost,
• 24:44
  you're
• 24:44
  already,
• 24:44
  like,
• 24:45
  moving
• 24:45
  away
• 24:46
  from
• 24:46
  a
• 24:46
  true
• 24:46
  democratic
• 24:47
  reality.
• 24:48
  Okay.
• 24:49
  So,
• 24:49
  you
• 24:49
  know,
• 24:49
  there
• 24:49
  are
• 24:50
  warning
• 24:50
  signs.
• 24:50
  And
• 24:50
  I
• 24:51
  know,
• 24:51
  you
• 24:51
  know,
• 24:51
  Tim
• 24:51
  Snyder,
• 24:52
  who's
• 24:52
  a
• 24:52
  very,
• 24:52
  you
• 24:52
  know,
• 24:53
  area
• 24:53
  diet
• 24:53
  historian,
• 24:54
  he
• 24:54
  talks
• 24:55
  about,
• 24:55
  like,
• 24:55
  about
• 24:55
  20
• 24:56
  sort
• 24:56
  of
• 24:56
  phenomena
• 24:57
  and
• 24:57
  say
• 24:57
  all
• 24:57
  that
• 24:58
  makes
• 24:58
  sense.
• 24:58
  These
• 24:59
  four
• 24:59
  really
• 24:59
  tell
• 25:00
  you
• 25:00
  when
• 25:00
  your
• 25:00
  government
• 25:01
  in
• 25:01
  your
• 25:01
  society
• 25:01
  is
• 25:02
  no
• 25:02
  longer
• 25:03
  allowing
• 25:03
  you
• 25:03
  to
• 25:03
  have
• 25:03
  the
• 25:03
  rights
• 25:04
  of
• 25:04
  civil
• 25:04
  liberties
• 25:05
  and
• 25:05
  freedom.
• 25:05
  You
• 25:06
  talk
• 25:06
  about
• 25:06
  one
• 25:06
  of
• 25:07
  them
• 25:07
  being
• 25:07
  the
• 25:07
  politicized
• 25:08
  courts.
• 25:09
  Oh,
• 25:09
  yeah.
• 25:09
  Like
• 25:10
  Hitler,
• 25:10
  the
• 25:11
  Trump
• 25:11
  regime
• 25:12
  has
• 25:12
  blatantly
• 25:13
  ignored
• 25:13
  court
• 25:13
  orders.
• 25:14
  Yes,
• 25:14
  exactly.
• 25:15
  So
• 25:15
  they're
• 25:15
  lawless
• 25:15
  in
• 25:15
  that
• 25:16
  respect.
• 25:16
  Right.
• 25:17
  But
• 25:17
  then
• 25:17
  the
• 25:17
  courts
• 25:18
  themselves
• 25:18
  have
• 25:18
  been
• 25:18
  degraded.
• 25:19
  Perfect
• 25:20
  example
• 25:20
  is
• 25:20
  Mitch
• 25:20
  McConnell,
• 25:21
  whose
• 25:22
  legacy
• 25:22
  will
• 25:23
  be
• 25:23
  denying
• 25:23
  the
• 25:23
  Supreme
• 25:24
  Court
• 25:24
  jurist
• 25:25
  by
• 25:25
  Barack
• 25:25
  Obama
• 25:26
  because
• 25:27
  he
• 25:27
  said
• 25:27
  six
• 25:27
  months
• 25:27
  wasn't
• 25:28
  enough
• 25:28
  time,
• 25:28
  and
• 25:28
  then
• 25:28
  he
• 25:28
  threw
• 25:29
  somebody
• 25:29
  in
• 25:29
  with
• 25:29
  a
• 25:29
  month
• 25:29
  to
• 25:30
  go.
• 25:30
  Exactly.
• 25:31
  These
• 25:31
  coordinated
• 25:32
  efforts
• 25:32
  successfully
• 25:33
  reduce
• 25:33
  regulatory
• 25:34
  antitrust
• 25:34
  efforts.
• 25:35
  Koch
• 25:36
  brothers
• 25:36
  have
• 25:36
  put
• 25:37
  money
• 25:37
  into
• 25:37
  universities
• 25:38
  in
• 25:38
  return
• 25:39
  for
• 25:39
  curriculum
• 25:40
  changes.
• 25:41
  I
• 25:41
  think
• 25:41
  Harvard
• 25:41
  was
• 25:42
  the
• 25:42
  one
• 25:42
  university
• 25:42
  that
• 25:43
  refused
• 25:43
  that
• 25:43
  money.
• 25:44
  And
• 25:44
  guess
• 25:45
  who's
• 25:45
  being
• 25:45
  sued?
• 25:46
  Then
• 25:47
  you
• 25:47
  have
• 25:47
  these
• 25:47
  mental
• 25:47
  issues
• 25:48
  like,
• 25:48
  you
• 25:48
  talk
• 25:48
  about
• 25:49
  where
• 25:49
  Trump
• 25:49
  is
• 25:49
  so
• 25:49
  excessive
• 25:50
  that
• 25:50
  he's
• 25:51
  suing
• 25:51
  everybody
• 25:52
  because
• 25:52
  it's
• 25:52
  all
• 25:52
  he's
• 25:52
  ever
• 25:52
  done.
• 25:53
  And
• 25:53
  now
• 25:54
  he's
• 25:54
  suing
• 25:54
  himself.
• 25:55
  He's
• 25:55
  suing
• 25:56
  the
• 25:56
  US
• 25:56
  Government,
• 25:57
  and
• 25:57
  he
• 25:57
  won.
• 25:58
  This
• 25:58
  is
• 25:58
  Firestein
• 25:59
  theater
• 25:59
  stuff.
• 26:00
  This
• 26:00
  really
• 26:01
  is,
• 26:01
  to
• 26:02
  me,
• 26:02
  the
• 26:02
  most
• 26:02
  consequential
• 26:03
  court
• 26:03
  decision.
• 26:03
  The
• 26:03
  other
• 26:04
  side
• 26:04
  of
• 26:04
  the
• 26:04
  record
• 26:04
  is.
• 26:05
  The
• 26:05
  Citizen
• 26:05
  United
• 26:06
  decision.
• 26:07
  Oh,
• 26:07
  well,
• 26:07
  again,
• 26:08
  that
• 26:08
  was
• 26:08
  not
• 26:08
  an
• 26:09
  accident.
• 26:09
  That
• 26:09
  was
• 26:10
  part
• 26:10
  of
• 26:10
  a
• 26:11
  progression
• 26:11
  towards
• 26:12
  funding
• 26:13
  these
• 26:13
  kinds
• 26:13
  of
• 26:14
  initiatives.
• 26:14
  That's
• 26:15
  right.
• 26:15
  Yeah,
• 26:15
  absolutely.
• 26:15
  I
• 26:16
  mean,
• 26:16
  again,
• 26:16
  these
• 26:16
  are
• 26:17
  not
• 26:17
  random
• 26:17
  events.
• 26:17
  This
• 26:18
  was
• 26:18
  well
• 26:18
  planned
• 26:18
  and
• 26:19
  executed.
• 26:19
  There
• 26:19
  are
• 26:20
  a
• 26:20
  lot
• 26:20
  of
• 26:20
  bright
• 26:20
  boys
• 26:20
  and
• 26:21
  girls
• 26:21
  working
• 26:22
  against
• 26:23
  democracy,
• 26:24
  and
• 26:24
  that's
• 26:24
  what
• 26:24
  we
• 26:24
  gotta
• 26:25
  look
• 26:25
  at.
• 26:25
  In
• 26:25
  fact,
• 26:25
  you
• 26:26
  know,
• 26:26
  the
• 26:26
  challenge
• 26:27
  is
• 26:27
  to
• 26:27
  be
• 26:27
  on
• 26:27
  the
• 26:28
  left
• 26:28
  is
• 26:28
  that
• 26:28
  you
• 26:28
  can
• 26:29
  get
• 26:29
  kind
• 26:29
  of
• 26:29
  crazy.
• 26:30
  Somebody
• 26:30
  once
• 26:30
  wrote
• 26:30
  a
• 26:30
  book
• 26:31
  saying,
• 26:31
  racism
• 26:31
  makes
• 26:32
  you
• 26:32
  crazy.
• 26:32
  If
• 26:32
  you
• 26:33
  try
• 26:33
  and
• 26:33
  study
• 26:33
  it
• 26:33
  and
• 26:33
  deal
• 26:34
  with
• 26:34
  it,
• 26:34
  you
• 26:34
  start
• 26:35
  to
• 26:35
  lose
• 26:35
  perspective.
• 26:36
  Yeah.
• 26:36
  There
• 26:36
  are
• 26:36
  a
• 26:36
  lot
• 26:37
  of
• 26:37
  people
• 26:37
  that
• 26:37
  really
• 26:37
  have
• 26:37
  worked
• 26:38
  very
• 26:38
  hard
• 26:38
  to
• 26:38
  get
• 26:39
  us
• 26:39
  to
• 26:39
  this
• 26:39
  point.
• 26:39
  It's
• 26:40
  like
• 26:40
  they
• 26:40
  say
• 26:40
  in
• 26:40
  an
• 26:41
  AA
• 26:41
  group,
• 26:41
  your
• 26:41
  best
• 26:42
  thinking
• 26:42
  got
• 26:42
  you
• 26:42
  here.
• 26:43
  Now,
• 26:43
  are
• 26:44
  you
• 26:44
  actually
• 26:44
  still
• 26:44
  teaching
• 26:45
  classes?
• 26:47
  Oh,
• 26:47
  no,
• 26:47
  I.
• 26:48
  I
• 26:48
  more
• 26:48
  just
• 26:48
  stare
• 26:49
  at
• 26:49
  doctoral
• 26:50
  students
• 26:50
  and
• 26:50
  tell
• 26:50
  them
• 26:50
  what
• 26:51
  they're
• 26:51
  doing
• 26:51
  wrong.
• 26:51
  It's
• 26:52
  much
• 26:52
  more
• 26:52
  refreshing,
• 26:53
  actually.
• 26:53
  Yeah.
• 26:54
  Yeah.
• 26:54
  A
• 26:54
  little
• 26:55
  autocratic.
• 26:55
  Oh,
• 26:56
  absolutely.
• 26:58
  You
• 26:58
  didn't
• 26:58
  expect
• 26:59
  me
• 26:59
  to
• 26:59
  take
• 26:59
  this
• 26:59
  stuff
• 26:59
  seriously.
• 27:01
  Yeah.
• 27:02
  Let's
• 27:02
  talk
• 27:02
  about
• 27:02
  solutions.
• 27:03
  Do
• 27:03
  you
• 27:03
  think
• 27:04
  that
• 27:04
  overturning
• 27:05
  Citizens
• 27:06
  United,
• 27:06
  which
• 27:06
  would
• 27:06
  have
• 27:06
  to
• 27:06
  be
• 27:07
  a
• 27:07
  heavily
• 27:07
  Democratic
• 27:07
  Congress
• 27:08
  to
• 27:08
  do
• 27:08
  so.
• 27:09
  Huge.
• 27:09
  If
• 27:09
  we
• 27:09
  got
• 27:09
  money
• 27:10
  out
• 27:10
  of
• 27:10
  politics.
• 27:10
  It
• 27:11
  was.
• 27:11
  Would
• 27:11
  neutralize
• 27:12
  these
• 27:12
  oligarchs,
• 27:13
  wouldn't
• 27:13
  it?
• 27:13
  Okay,
• 27:14
  so,
• 27:14
  you
• 27:14
  know,
• 27:14
  how
• 27:15
  do
• 27:15
  I
• 27:15
  stay
• 27:15
  sane
• 27:15
  with
• 27:16
  this?
• 27:16
  Is
• 27:16
  the
• 27:16
  fact
• 27:16
  that
• 27:17
  I've
• 27:17
  looked
• 27:17
  at
• 27:17
  this
• 27:18
  for
• 27:18
  a
• 27:18
  long
• 27:18
  time.
• 27:18
  It
• 27:19
  doesn't
• 27:19
  shock
• 27:19
  me
• 27:19
  that
• 27:19
  we
• 27:20
  got
• 27:20
  here,
• 27:20
  unfortunately,
• 27:21
  to
• 27:21
  say
• 27:21
  that.
• 27:22
  But
• 27:22
  then
• 27:22
  I
• 27:22
  come
• 27:22
  back
• 27:22
  to
• 27:23
  my
• 27:23
  colleague
• 27:23
  Bob
• 27:24
  Altomare
• 27:24
  saying
• 27:25
  they'll
• 27:25
  screw
• 27:25
  it
• 27:25
  up.
• 27:26
  It
• 27:26
  really
• 27:26
  won't
• 27:26
  work.
• 27:27
  And
• 27:27
  you
• 27:27
  can
• 27:28
  see
• 27:28
  that
• 27:28
  with
• 27:28
  what
• 27:28
  the
• 27:28
  Nazis
• 27:29
  did
• 27:29
  with
• 27:29
  the
• 27:29
  Volkswagen
• 27:30
  that
• 27:30
  nobody
• 27:30
  ever
• 27:31
  got,
• 27:31
  which
• 27:31
  you
• 27:31
  can
• 27:31
  see
• 27:31
  with
• 27:31
  the
• 27:32
  five
• 27:32
  year
• 27:32
  plans
• 27:32
  with
• 27:32
  Stalin
• 27:33
  time
• 27:33
  and
• 27:34
  time
• 27:34
  again.
• 27:34
  Even
• 27:35
  China,
• 27:35
  the
• 27:35
  poster
• 27:36
  child
• 27:36
  for
• 27:36
  like
• 27:37
  state
• 27:37
  run
• 27:37
  economy,
• 27:38
  they
• 27:38
  got
• 27:38
  their
• 27:39
  problems.
• 27:39
  They
• 27:39
  got
• 27:40
  a
• 27:40
  lot
• 27:40
  more
• 27:40
  problems
• 27:40
  than
• 27:41
  we
• 27:41
  really
• 27:41
  hear.
• 27:41
  You
• 27:41
  were
• 27:42
  talking
• 27:42
  about
• 27:42
  funding
• 27:43
  of
• 27:43
  ICE.
• 27:44
  They
• 27:45
  offer
• 27:45
  you
• 27:45
  $50,000
• 27:46
  and
• 27:46
  you
• 27:46
  don't
• 27:46
  get
• 27:47
  it.
• 27:47
  Right.
• 27:48
  10,
• 27:48
  10,000
• 27:49
  a
• 27:49
  year.
• 27:50
  And
• 27:50
  if
• 27:50
  you
• 27:51
  drop
• 27:51
  out,
• 27:52
  you
• 27:52
  forfeit
• 27:52
  it
• 27:53
  all.
• 27:53
  You
• 27:53
  have
• 27:53
  to
• 27:53
  pay
• 27:53
  it
• 27:53
  back.
• 27:54
  Yeah,
• 27:54
  right.
• 27:55
  You
• 27:55
  got
• 27:55
  to
• 27:56
  pay
• 27:56
  ICE
• 27:56
  back.
• 27:56
  Exactly.
• 27:57
  Pay
• 27:57
  no
• 27:57
  attention
• 27:57
  to
• 27:57
  man.
• 27:58
  But
• 27:58
  they
• 27:59
  are
• 27:59
  so
• 27:59
  well
• 27:59
  funded,
• 28:00
  they
• 28:00
  just
• 28:01
  put
• 28:01
  $100
• 28:01
  million
• 28:02
  into
• 28:03
  concentration
• 28:04
  camps.
• 28:04
  Which
• 28:05
  is
• 28:05
  interesting
• 28:05
  because
• 28:05
  the
• 28:05
  right
• 28:06
  would
• 28:06
  always
• 28:06
  say
• 28:06
  how
• 28:07
  the
• 28:07
  deep
• 28:07
  state
• 28:07
  was.
• 28:08
  Take
• 28:09
  away
• 28:09
  our
• 28:09
  guns.
• 28:10
  In
• 28:10
  psychology,
• 28:11
  we
• 28:11
  call
• 28:11
  that
• 28:11
  projection.
• 28:12
  The
• 28:13
  thing
• 28:13
  that
• 28:13
  I'm
• 28:13
  gonna
• 28:14
  do,
• 28:14
  I'm
• 28:14
  gonna
• 28:14
  say
• 28:14
  you're
• 28:15
  gonna
• 28:15
  do.
• 28:15
  So
• 28:15
  obvious.
• 28:16
  But
• 28:16
  there's
• 28:16
  a
• 28:16
  huge
• 28:16
  surge
• 28:17
  coming
• 28:17
  this
• 28:17
  way
• 28:17
  to
• 28:18
  California.
• 28:18
  Yes,
• 28:19
  there
• 28:19
  is.
• 28:19
  It's
• 28:19
  not
• 28:20
  over.
• 28:20
  What
• 28:20
  would
• 28:21
  have
• 28:21
  happened
• 28:21
  if
• 28:21
  Minneapolis
• 28:22
  happened
• 28:22
  in
• 28:22
  the
• 28:23
  heat
• 28:23
  of
• 28:23
  summer?
• 28:23
  I
• 28:24
  think
• 28:24
  the
• 28:24
  chances
• 28:24
  of
• 28:25
  a
• 28:25
  peaceful
• 28:25
  reconciliation
• 28:26
  are
• 28:27
  dwindling.
• 28:27
  There
• 28:28
  are
• 28:28
  certain
• 28:28
  people
• 28:28
  that
• 28:28
  don't
• 28:29
  want
• 28:29
  a
• 28:29
  peaceful
• 28:29
  reconciliation
• 28:30
  because
• 28:30
  that's
• 28:31
  a
• 28:31
  way
• 28:31
  of
• 28:31
  being
• 28:31
  able
• 28:31
  to
• 28:32
  get
• 28:32
  rid
• 28:32
  of
• 28:32
  the
• 28:32
  election.
• 28:32
  So
• 28:33
  we,
• 28:33
  you
• 28:33
  know,
• 28:34
  martial
• 28:35
  law.
• 28:35
  There's
• 28:36
  another
• 28:36
  way
• 28:36
  to
• 28:36
  look
• 28:36
  at
• 28:36
  that,
• 28:37
  and
• 28:37
  that
• 28:37
  is
• 28:37
  you
• 28:38
  see
• 28:38
  the
• 28:38
  galvanizing
• 28:39
  of
• 28:40
  the
• 28:40
  community.
• 28:40
  In
• 28:40
  Minnesota,
• 28:42
  nominated
• 28:42
  for
• 28:43
  the
• 28:43
  Nobel
• 28:43
  Peace
• 28:44
  Prize.
• 28:44
  The
• 28:44
  community
• 28:45
  was
• 28:45
  nominated.
• 28:46
  Wow.
• 28:46
  We
• 28:46
  may
• 28:47
  be
• 28:47
  looking
• 28:47
  at
• 28:47
  the
• 28:47
  same
• 28:47
  thing.
• 28:48
  And
• 28:48
  I
• 28:48
  know
• 28:48
  there's
• 28:48
  a
• 28:49
  whisper
• 28:49
  network
• 28:49
  here
• 28:50
  in
• 28:50
  Los
• 28:50
  Angeles
• 28:51
  for
• 28:51
  people
• 28:51
  that
• 28:51
  are
• 28:52
  undocumented.
• 28:53
  There
• 28:53
  are
• 28:53
  resources.
• 28:55
  I
• 28:55
  work
• 28:55
  with
• 28:55
  a
• 28:55
  group
• 28:56
  of
• 28:56
  mental
• 28:56
  health
• 28:56
  people
• 28:56
  around
• 28:57
  the
• 28:57
  globe
• 28:57
  to
• 28:57
  say,
• 28:58
  how
• 28:58
  do
• 28:58
  you
• 28:58
  deal
• 28:58
  with
• 28:59
  this
• 28:59
  and
• 28:59
  how
• 28:59
  do
• 28:59
  you
• 28:59
  sort
• 29:00
  of
• 29:00
  get
• 29:00
  through
• 29:00
  this?
• 29:01
  And
• 29:01
  it's
• 29:01
  a
• 29:01
  critical
• 29:02
  issue
• 29:02
  and
• 29:02
  your
• 29:02
  community
• 29:03
  is
• 29:03
  becoming
• 29:03
  stronger
• 29:04
  because
• 29:04
  we
• 29:04
  know
• 29:05
  what
• 29:05
  we're
• 29:05
  up
• 29:06
  against.
• 29:07
  You
• 29:07
  have
• 29:07
  something.
• 29:08
  I
• 29:08
  think
• 29:08
  we
• 29:08
  should
• 29:09
  leave
• 29:09
  with
• 29:09
  this.
• 29:09
  You
• 29:10
  have
• 29:10
  ways
• 29:10
  of
• 29:10
  coping.
• 29:11
  I'll
• 29:11
  just
• 29:11
  read
• 29:11
  the
• 29:11
  list
• 29:12
  and
• 29:12
  tell
• 29:12
  me
• 29:12
  what
• 29:12
  that
• 29:13
  means
• 29:13
  briefly.
• 29:13
  Going
• 29:14
  into
• 29:14
  silence.
• 29:14
  Yeah,
• 29:15
  that
• 29:16
  is
• 29:16
  the
• 29:16
  person.
• 29:17
  And
• 29:17
  really
• 29:17
  there,
• 29:18
  I'm
• 29:18
  talking
• 29:18
  about
• 29:18
  the
• 29:18
  creative
• 29:19
  arts,
• 29:19
  the
• 29:19
  person
• 29:20
  who
• 29:20
  was
• 29:20
  the
• 29:20
  satirist,
• 29:21
  the
• 29:21
  person
• 29:21
  who
• 29:22
  was
• 29:22
  the
• 29:22
  musician.
• 29:24
  And
• 29:24
  I'm
• 29:24
  thinking
• 29:24
  of
• 29:24
  one
• 29:25
  person
• 29:25
  during
• 29:25
  the
• 29:25
  Second
• 29:26
  World
• 29:26
  War
• 29:26
  who
• 29:26
  just
• 29:27
  stopped
• 29:27
  working
• 29:28
  and
• 29:28
  just
• 29:28
  said,
• 29:28
  I
• 29:28
  can't
• 29:29
  do
• 29:29
  anything
• 29:29
  because
• 29:30
  I
• 29:30
  don't
• 29:30
  want
• 29:30
  to
• 29:30
  be
• 29:30
  a
• 29:31
  part
• 29:31
  of
• 29:31
  this.
• 29:31
  And
• 29:32
  if
• 29:32
  I
• 29:32
  did
• 29:32
  what
• 29:32
  I
• 29:33
  really
• 29:33
  wanted
• 29:33
  to
• 29:33
  do,
• 29:33
  just
• 29:34
  like
• 29:34
  what
• 29:34
  Stalin
• 29:34
  did
• 29:35
  with
• 29:35
  people
• 29:35
  like
• 29:35
  Prokofiev
• 29:36
  and
• 29:36
  Shostakovich,
• 29:37
  you
• 29:37
  could
• 29:37
  go
• 29:38
  to
• 29:38
  the
• 29:38
  death
• 29:38
  camp.
• 29:39
  So
• 29:39
  sometimes
• 29:40
  the
• 29:40
  creatives
• 29:40
  say,
• 29:41
  my
• 29:41
  only
• 29:41
  creative
• 29:42
  gesture
• 29:43
  is
• 29:43
  absolute
• 29:44
  elective
• 29:45
  mutism.
• 29:46
  Scott
• 29:46
  Galloway
• 29:47
  has
• 29:47
  been
• 29:47
  promoting
• 29:48
  this
• 29:48
  notion
• 29:49
  of
• 29:49
  unsubscribing.
• 29:50
  Oh,
• 29:50
  I'm
• 29:50
  on
• 29:50
  the.
• 29:51
  I'm
• 29:51
  on
• 29:51
  board.
• 29:51
  Because
• 29:51
  when
• 29:52
  70%
• 29:52
  of
• 29:52
  the
• 29:52
  economy
• 29:52
  is
• 29:53
  based
• 29:53
  on
• 29:53
  consumerism,
• 29:54
  it
• 29:54
  is
• 29:54
  our
• 29:55
  biggest
• 29:55
  vote.
• 29:55
  Absolutely.
• 29:57
  Becoming
• 29:57
  a
• 29:57
  mad
• 29:58
  dog.
• 29:58
  Oh,
• 29:59
  that's
• 29:59
  a
• 29:59
  very
• 29:59
  interesting
• 30:00
  example.
• 30:01
  And
• 30:01
  we
• 30:01
  may
• 30:02
  see
• 30:02
  that
• 30:02
  happen
• 30:02
  here,
• 30:02
  too,
• 30:03
  where
• 30:03
  people
• 30:04
  survive
• 30:05
  by
• 30:05
  becoming
• 30:05
  more
• 30:06
  extreme
• 30:06
  than
• 30:06
  the
• 30:07
  extreme
• 30:07
  extremists.
• 30:08
  I'm
• 30:08
  thinking
• 30:08
  of
• 30:08
  a
• 30:08
  gentleman
• 30:09
  I
• 30:09
  knew
• 30:09
  who
• 30:09
  was
• 30:09
  teaching
• 30:10
  history
• 30:11
  during
• 30:11
  the
• 30:11
  People's
• 30:12
  Revolution
• 30:12
  in
• 30:12
  China,
• 30:13
  and
• 30:13
  he
• 30:13
  said,
• 30:13
  my
• 30:13
  way
• 30:14
  of
• 30:14
  getting
• 30:14
  through
• 30:14
  this
• 30:15
  is
• 30:15
  to
• 30:15
  be
• 30:16
  more
• 30:16
  extreme
• 30:16
  than
• 30:16
  the
• 30:17
  Revolutionary
• 30:17
  Guard
• 30:18
  so
• 30:18
  that
• 30:18
  they
• 30:18
  won't
• 30:19
  suspect
• 30:19
  me.
• 30:20
  So
• 30:20
  you
• 30:20
  adopt
• 30:21
  this.
• 30:21
  But
• 30:21
  again,
• 30:21
  look
• 30:21
  at
• 30:22
  the
• 30:22
  falsehood
• 30:22
  we're
• 30:23
  creating.
• 30:24
  People
• 30:24
  are
• 30:24
  hypocrisy.
• 30:25
  A
• 30:25
  narrative
• 30:26
  that
• 30:26
  I
• 30:26
  don't
• 30:27
  believe
• 30:27
  in
• 30:27
  for
• 30:27
  a
• 30:28
  moment.
• 30:28
  Exactly.
• 30:29
  Yeah.
• 30:29
  Meditating.
• 30:30
  You
• 30:31
  know,
• 30:31
  I
• 30:31
  had
• 30:31
  a
• 30:32
  professor
• 30:32
  who
• 30:32
  was
• 30:32
  thrown
• 30:33
  into
• 30:33
  a
• 30:33
  Gulag
• 30:34
  because
• 30:34
  he
• 30:34
  was
• 30:34
  teaching
• 30:35
  history.
• 30:36
  Again,
• 30:36
  we
• 30:37
  come
• 30:37
  back
• 30:37
  to
• 30:37
  that.
• 30:37
  But
• 30:37
  he
• 30:37
  was.
• 30:38
  Wasn't
• 30:38
  using
• 30:38
  social
• 30:39
  realism.
• 30:40
  And
• 30:40
  I
• 30:40
  looked
• 30:41
  at
• 30:41
  this
• 30:41
  guy
• 30:41
  And
• 30:41
  I
• 30:41
  say,
• 30:41
  Dr.
• 30:42
  Nadell,
• 30:42
  how
• 30:42
  did
• 30:43
  you
• 30:43
  survive
• 30:43
  in
• 30:43
  the
• 30:43
  Gulag?
• 30:44
  He
• 30:44
  goes,
• 30:45
  I
• 30:45
  learned
• 30:45
  to
• 30:46
  meditate.
• 30:47
  He
• 30:47
  was
• 30:47
  the
• 30:47
  last
• 30:47
  guy
• 30:47
  in
• 30:47
  the
• 30:48
  world
• 30:48
  I
• 30:48
  would
• 30:48
  have
• 30:48
  ever
• 30:48
  thought
• 30:48
  I
• 30:49
  would
• 30:49
  have
• 30:49
  heard
• 30:49
  that
• 30:49
  from.
• 30:50
  So
• 30:50
  in
• 30:50
  safe
• 30:50
  settings,
• 30:51
  we
• 30:51
  can
• 30:51
  confront
• 30:51
  oppression.
• 30:52
  Sliding
• 30:52
  into
• 30:53
  autocracy
• 30:53
  is
• 30:53
  a
• 30:54
  social
• 30:54
  sleeping
• 30:54
  sickness.
• 30:55
  You
• 30:55
  will
• 30:55
  find
• 30:56
  out
• 30:56
  who
• 30:56
  your
• 30:56
  friends
• 30:57
  are.
• 30:57
  And
• 30:58
  in
• 30:58
  an
• 30:58
  insane
• 30:58
  world,
• 30:59
  we
• 30:59
  need
• 30:59
  a
• 30:59
  safe
• 30:59
  and
• 31:00
  smaller
• 31:00
  world.
• 31:01
  All
• 31:01
  words
• 31:01
  to
• 31:02
  live
• 31:02
  by.
• 31:02
  We
• 31:02
  are
• 31:03
  out
• 31:03
  of
• 31:03
  time.
• 31:03
  I
• 31:03
  can't
• 31:03
  believe
• 31:04
  it.
• 31:04
  We've
• 31:04
  been
• 31:04
  talking
• 31:05
  to
• 31:05
  Dr.
• 31:06
  Edward
• 31:06
  Dunbar,
• 31:07
  who's
• 31:07
  a
• 31:07
  leading
• 31:07
  expert
• 31:08
  on
• 31:08
  authoritarianism.
• 31:10
  Professor?
• 31:10
  Yeah.
• 31:11
  And
• 31:12
  keep
• 31:12
  your
• 31:12
  head
• 31:12
  down.
• 31:13
  Yeah.
• 31:13
  Thank
• 31:13
  you
• 31:14
  so
• 31:14
  much
• 31:14
  for
• 31:14
  coming
• 31:14
  on
• 31:15
  the
• 31:15
  show.
• 31:15
  It's
• 31:16
  really,
• 31:16
  really
• 31:16
  great,
• 31:16
  folks.
• 31:17
  Keep
• 31:17
  hope
• 31:17
  alive
• 31:18
  and
• 31:18
  look
• 31:19
  for
• 31:19
  the
• 31:19
  young
• 31:19
  people
• 31:19
  to
• 31:20
  rebel
• 31:20
  against
• 31:20
  us.
• 31:21
  And
• 31:21
  that
• 31:21
  also
• 31:22
  means
• 31:22
  you,
• 31:22
  you
• 31:23
  old
• 31:23
  fart
• 31:24
  out
• 31:24
  there.
• 31:24
  Yeah,
• 31:24
  that's
• 31:25
  right.
• 31:25
  Sexy
• 31:26
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• 31:26
  show.
• 31:26
  Catch
• 31:26
  all
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• 31:27
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• 31:27
  at
• 31:27
  our
• 31:28
  website,
• 31:28
  sexyboomershow.com.
• 31:29
  Reach
• 31:30
  out
• 31:30
  to
• 31:30
  us
• 31:30
  at
• 31:30
  infoexyboomershow.com
• 31:33
  we'd
• 31:33
  love
• 31:33
  to
• 31:33
  hear
• 31:33
  from
• 31:33
  you,
• 31:34
  what
• 31:34
  you
• 31:34
  want
• 31:34
  to
• 31:34
  hear,
• 31:34
  what
• 31:34
  you
• 31:35
  like,
• 31:35
  what
• 31:35
  you
• 31:35
  don't
• 31:35
  like,
• 31:35
  blah,
• 31:36
  blah,
• 31:36
  blah.
• 31:36
  We'll
• 31:36
  see
• 31:37
  you
• 31:37
  next
• 31:37
  week,
• 31:37
  God
• 31:38
  willing.