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Pastors' Perspective-10/28/26 · Pastors Perspective

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  Speaker 1: Hello and welcome to Pastor's Perspective. I'm your host, Brian Perez,
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  Speaker 1: Answering your questions today, we've got Pastors Brian Broderson and
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  Speaker 1: Tommy Coda. Welcome guys. What's up? Thanks for coming in today, Tommy.
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  Speaker 1: Haven't seen you here in, well, it's been a few weeks,
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  Speaker 1: at least. You're one
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  Speaker 1: of our regulars.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, no, it's all good. It's been, been busy. Uh,
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  Speaker 2: we just got done with our trunk or treat. It
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  Speaker 2: was like our, I think our 3rd annual, um, trunk
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  Speaker 2: or treat event that we had at, at the church.
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  Speaker 2: In the parking lot and man it was, it was
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  Speaker 2: really cool. It was uh
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  Speaker 1: did you bring any leftover candy you know
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  Speaker 2: it's
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  Speaker 2: all at the house, yeah, so all the chocolate and
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  Speaker 2: think of us, you know, actually, you know what we
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  Speaker 2: ran out of candy we had so much candy and
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  Speaker 2: I just couldn't believe we ran out of it. I
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  Speaker 2: was like we're, we're gone like it's gone and, and, um, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: so we went and did another candy run and, and
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  Speaker 2: it was, it was really cool just to see.
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  Speaker 2: The city of Santa Ana, uh, where our church is
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  Speaker 2: located right behind, there's just tons of, of apartments, a
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  Speaker 2: lot of apartments, and so we've just been canvassing that
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  Speaker 2: area with flyers and, and, um.
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  Speaker 2: The the city had come out, you know, a bunch
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  Speaker 2: of kids and, and so it was a lot of
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  Speaker 2: fun and the gospel message just was going out in
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  Speaker 2: each of the, the cars, so our church, we invited
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  Speaker 2: our church family to like decorate their cars and everything
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  Speaker 2: that kind of, you know, um, and just it was
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  Speaker 2: very uh an opportunity for our church just to be
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  Speaker 2: evangelical because every.
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  Speaker 2: Every car that was decorated had like this theme of
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  Speaker 2: of the gospel sharing the gospel and so um yeah
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  Speaker 2: it was really cool just to you know I was
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  Speaker 2: I got to I dressed up well I didn't really
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  Speaker 2: dress up but I I had like a just a
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  Speaker 2: big giant wig like a a Jheri curl wig, you know,
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  Speaker 2: and I put my glasses on and and they're like
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  Speaker 2: hey who are you? I said, man, I'm, I'm the
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  Speaker 2: original Jesus freak from Hope of Life Church just telling
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  Speaker 2: everybody about Jesus, you know, and uh yeah it was,
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  Speaker 2: it was a bunch of fun, you know, um, so.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, the Lord showed up and did some really cool
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  Speaker 2: things and, and, uh, one of the guys from our church, he, he's, I,
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  Speaker 2: I was told that he said, you know, for sure
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  Speaker 2: someone got saved, people got saved for sure because the
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  Speaker 2: gospel was just continuing to go out and you know,
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  Speaker 2: it was really cool to see the kids as well,
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  Speaker 2: the response of all the kids, you know, a lot
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  Speaker 2: of like, uh, elementary school age kids all dressed up
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  Speaker 2: in their, you know, costumes and, and whatever, and.
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  Speaker 2: When we were giving the gospel at the platform in
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  Speaker 2: the stage, it was just full of little kids, you know,
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  Speaker 2: so we were able to share the gospel to, to,
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  Speaker 2: to kids, you know, and plant that seed so yeah,
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  Speaker 2: it was, it was really fun.
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  Speaker 1: If you ever run out of, uh, chocolate again, you
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  Speaker 1: can pray maybe Jesus will turn broccoli into chocolate the
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  Speaker 1: same way he turned water into wine, you know, you
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  Speaker 2: never know, yeah, that would be a great miracle because
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  Speaker 2: I like chocolate more than broccoli, so.
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  Speaker 1: Let's make it happen. Lord, Brian, what's new? Haven't seen
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  Speaker 1: you in 23 hours. 23
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  Speaker 2: hours, yeah, um, Tommy, so why did you guys do
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  Speaker 2: the date you did, because, of course, the 31st is still.
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  Speaker 2: Couple days away, yeah, it is so, um, we decided
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  Speaker 2: to do that because, um, the 30, it was just,
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  Speaker 2: it made more sense for us as a church, you know,
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  Speaker 2: to do it we've been doing it Sundays after church, uh,
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  Speaker 2: from 5 to 8 and, and so it just made
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  Speaker 2: more sense for us and our team because a lot
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  Speaker 2: of I think.
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  Speaker 2: Well, what is it? Is the 31st on a Saturday
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  Speaker 2: this year? Yeah, it's on a Saturday. So I, I,
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  Speaker 2: I remember we decided, you know what, we don't wanna
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  Speaker 2: do a Saturday and then a full day Sunday less
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  Speaker 2: we're already gonna be here Sunday. And so, uh, it's
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  Speaker 2: been something that we've actually been doing, um, the past
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  Speaker 2: couple of years is like that Sunday before Halloween, you know, um.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's cool, you know, because I, I, I didn't
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  Speaker 2: realize this, but a lot of other like churches and
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  Speaker 2: parks and, you know, I, I, I believe like the
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  Speaker 2: Santa Ana Police Department did their trunk or treat like
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  Speaker 2: a few days before ours and everything. So yeah, it's
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  Speaker 2: kind of really cool given opportunity for the city to
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  Speaker 2: really enjoy. Yeah, plus I heard what we heard yesterday
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  Speaker 2: from Phil that.
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  Speaker 2: And they had had a big event planned, but they,
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  Speaker 2: I guess they're expecting rain, some pretty serious rain down
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  Speaker 2: in San Diego. So I don't know about the forecast here.
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  Speaker 2: Is it, is it gonna rain?
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  Speaker 1: I haven't looked.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I haven't looked. I
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  Speaker 1: did see,
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  Speaker 2: now I think, you know, yeah, on Saturday it's supposed
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  Speaker 2: to rain Saturday into Sunday morning, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm just curious. I mean, that'll kind of determine
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  Speaker 2: what costume I wear, you know.
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  Speaker 2: Might be Aquaman. It might be Aquaman, I think. There
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  Speaker 2: you go. And if you live down in, uh, you know,
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  Speaker 2: on the Balboa Peninsula or, you know, Long Beach or, uh,
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  Speaker 2: even Sunset Beach, you might get your Aquaman or your, uh,
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  Speaker 2: mermaid thing because isn't that crazy? Like the what the
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  Speaker 2: king tide is just flooding all that whole area right there.
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  Speaker 2: It is wild. I know, yeah, I mean.
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  Speaker 2: You know, it's funny because I've been of course on
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  Speaker 2: the East Coast and you know, you've seen some of
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  Speaker 2: the Instagram pictures and stuff and, and sometimes I'm a
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  Speaker 2: little skeptical because it's like, oh come on, you know,
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  Speaker 2: because they're a king tide and that's 6 ft tide,
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  Speaker 2: it's like there's always been 6 ft tides, but this
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  Speaker 2: unique sort of um
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  Speaker 2: El Nino.
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  Speaker 2: John Kelvin, uh, the, the Calvinist wave, it's coming in
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  Speaker 2: and obliterating everything, but, um, but it's, you know, it's
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  Speaker 2: happening on the East Coast too. Is it really? Yeah, well,
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  Speaker 2: I saw some, uh, footage of Fort Lauderdale. A lot of,
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  Speaker 2: a lot of people walking around. Usually they get a
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  Speaker 2: lot of, uh, uh, hurricanes, and they haven't had that
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  Speaker 2: many hurricanes.
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  Speaker 2: had any. I mean, you know, on that side, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: usually I've already had like 5 or 6. Yes, exactly. Well,
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  Speaker 2: they heard that I was moving there and that I'm
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  Speaker 2: not a big fan of hurricanes, so the Lord just
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  Speaker 2: said we're gonna,
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  Speaker 1: so now South Carolina is gonna get earthquakes.
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  Speaker 2: God's grace, yeah, yeah, earthquakes. Now here's a crazy thing, um,
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  Speaker 2: because you don't think too much of the East Coast
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  Speaker 2: having earthquakes, but
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  Speaker 2: Uh, Charleston, the city of Charleston was wrecked by an
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  Speaker 2: earthquake back in the late 1800s, like knocked the buildings down.
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  Speaker 2: So if you go into Charleston today, you'll see these
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  Speaker 2: old buildings and you'll see that all of them have.
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  Speaker 2: A big, uh, like a bolt, uh, with a big
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  Speaker 2: like a giant screw. Well, it's a rod. When they rebuilt,
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  Speaker 2: they ran these rods all the way through these houses
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  Speaker 2: to protect them from earthquakes, but they did that in
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  Speaker 2: like 18, you know, the late 1800s. So yeah, I
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  Speaker 2: was shocked. It's like, wow, earthquake in South Carolina. OK, hm,
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  Speaker 1: I guess there's
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  Speaker 2: a, what
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  Speaker 1: learn something new every day, earthquake
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  Speaker 2: fault over there, yeah, must be,
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  Speaker 1: yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Not the San Andreas fault.
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  Speaker 1: No, no, for sure. So looking at the forecast for Saturday, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: starting at, uh, 56 o'clock, that's when, as of now, it's,
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  Speaker 2: that's right when the little trick
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  Speaker 1: or treaters, that's when they are, yeah, yeah. So maybe
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  Speaker 1: they'll trick or treat in the daytime or who knows,
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  Speaker 1: just prepared. They might show up on Friday, have the
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  Speaker 1: door open so that in case they show up.
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  Speaker 1: 888-564-6173 is our number. And let's go to the phones now.
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  Speaker 1: Here's Dolores listening to K Wave and Riverside. What's your
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  Speaker 1: question for Brian and Tommy, Dolores?
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  Speaker 1: Thank you for taking my call.
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  Speaker 1: I really, really need prayer for my daughter. It, it
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  Speaker 1: seems like the more I pray, it seems like the
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  Speaker 1: enemy just full force. I don't know if that makes
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  Speaker 1: any sense.
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  Speaker 1: But it seems like the more I pray for her,
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  Speaker 1: she gets more animosity and hate, and she just complains
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  Speaker 1: and blames me for all the wrong that's happened in
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  Speaker 1: her life, and I try and I stay quiet because
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  Speaker 1: the Lord says, just be silent, you know, just I
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  Speaker 1: got this, but it seems like then I noticed that
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  Speaker 1: I start smelling marijuana.
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  Speaker 1: And I'm thinking, OK, now, now I got it, now,
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  Speaker 1: now the enemy's really coming full force at me. So
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  Speaker 1: the Lord put it into my heart for you to
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  Speaker 1: pray for my daughter Laura. She is just, she's, I'm
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  Speaker 1: trying to reach her, but God can only do that.
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  Speaker 1: So I need prayer for her. I don't want to
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  Speaker 1: lose her to the enemy. I don't want her to, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I need help. How old is your daughter, Dolores?
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  Speaker 1: She's 42. OK, so she lives with you.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, she does, and I don't know any of what
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  Speaker 1: she's going, none of that is here. I used to
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  Speaker 1: talk about her. I say, read the Bible. Now I
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  Speaker 1: ain't going to read the Bible. God, if God's real,
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  Speaker 1: why is all this going on in the world and
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  Speaker 1: she's got so much.
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  Speaker 1: Animosity and everything, and I don't know what's going on
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  Speaker 1: with her heart.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, Dolores has, has,
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  Speaker 1: you know, you need God. You need Jesus. She just
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  Speaker 1: storms out of the room.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, Dolores, has your, has, did your daughter at one point, um,
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  Speaker 2: believe in the Lord? Is she, is she backslidden? Is
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  Speaker 2: that what's going on? Or what, what's, you know, her, OK,
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  Speaker 2: so she, she grew up knowing.
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  Speaker 2: She is, so she at one point confessed Jesus as
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  Speaker 2: her Lord and Savior, and now she's just in a
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  Speaker 2: backslidden kind of a state.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know if she confessed to her Lord and
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  Speaker 1: Savior that part. God only knows, but it seems like
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  Speaker 1: because the enemy's got such a grip on her.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I think what you're doing, Dolores, uh, by calling
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  Speaker 2: and asking for prayer is the best thing that that
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  Speaker 2: you can do is not just for you but to
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  Speaker 2: to share with others, you know, um, to, to agree
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  Speaker 2: with you in prayer and intercede for your daughter Laura
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  Speaker 2: that God would, um, capture her life, you know, and
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  Speaker 2: intervene in her life because God is certainly able to
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  Speaker 2: do that even in the midst of, of like rebellion and,
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  Speaker 2: and everything. I, I think of.
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  Speaker 2: Saul of the story of Saul of Tarsus that we
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  Speaker 2: read about in the in the book of Acts in
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  Speaker 2: chapter number 9, he was, you know, he was on
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  Speaker 2: this journey, like on this, this, uh, like personal mission.
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  Speaker 2: He actually thought he was doing some, you know, good
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  Speaker 2: things for God by, by imprisoning and even killing Christians,
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  Speaker 2: people of the way, people who follow Jesus.
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  Speaker 2: And it was on that road where, where God like
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  Speaker 2: had this holy interruption. God, like Jesus invaded his life
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  Speaker 2: in that very moment and revealed, revealed himself to, to Saul,
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  Speaker 2: who became Paul, uh, who wrote, you know, most, uh,
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  Speaker 2: many of, you know, I think over 2/3 of, of
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  Speaker 2: the New Testament, you know, he ended up writing and
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  Speaker 2: so God is definitely able to intervene into your daughter's
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  Speaker 2: life and.
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  Speaker 2: And I would encourage you to keep on praying and
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  Speaker 2: ask and ask people to, to intercede, um, and to
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  Speaker 2: agree with you in prayer for your daughter Laura.
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  Speaker 1: Brian,
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  Speaker 1: wanna pray?
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  Speaker 2: Uh, yeah, and I would just say, um, because I
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  Speaker 2: was talking to a friend today about, um.
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  Speaker 2: His, his daughter actually and
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  Speaker 2: He was telling me that, you know, it's a bit
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  Speaker 2: of a struggle right now and then, but then he
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  Speaker 2: mentioned another friend and um he mentioned his daughter and
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  Speaker 2: he said an interesting thing. He said that the other
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  Speaker 2: friend was telling him like, man, for like a year
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  Speaker 2: I just totally thought that I'd lost my daughter, you know,
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  Speaker 2: she just seemed distant, disconnected, didn't wanna, you know, even
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  Speaker 2: be close to the family or church.
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  Speaker 2: And, and he, and then he said just, you know,
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  Speaker 2: just suddenly she changed, just boom, just like a light switch,
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  Speaker 2: and she, you know, started following Jesus and everything turned
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  Speaker 2: around and, um, and he didn't do anything except, you know,
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  Speaker 2: just pray during that time that God would work so
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  Speaker 2: I think that is and you know there's those times
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  Speaker 2: where that's really.
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  Speaker 2: You don't wanna say that's all you can do because prayer, uh,
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  Speaker 2: prayer is way more powerful than we give it credit
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  Speaker 2: for a lot of times. But, but, you know, you
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  Speaker 2: can't talk to them. You can't reason with them. You
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  Speaker 2: can't force them to do the right thing. So you
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  Speaker 2: do have to pray. And that was, that was my,
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  Speaker 2: that was my experience, you know, uh, Dolores, and, and
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  Speaker 2: that my experience was for many years I was, you know, Brian,
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  Speaker 2: you know this, I, I was a, a drug addict,
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  Speaker 2: you know, in and out of prison.
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  Speaker 2: Uh, you know, just chaotic life, you know, for 15 years,
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  Speaker 2: you know, um, from the time I was a, a
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  Speaker 2: teenager up until I was 29 years old, and, um,
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  Speaker 2: it was my wife who got saved and she started
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  Speaker 2: praying and, as a matter of fact, I.
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  Speaker 2: Kind of when we look back at this timeline is
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  Speaker 2: the moment she got saved and started praying and things
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  Speaker 2: didn't get better for her, you know, my life actually
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  Speaker 2: I started living, you know, very, uh, rebelliously and, and
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  Speaker 2: wickedly and, you know, very devious in, in my behavior and,
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  Speaker 2: and everything, um, so, you know, it didn't get better
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  Speaker 2: for her. It actually, it, it did get worse and I,
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  Speaker 2: and Diana, my wife, and her, her testimony, she, when
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  Speaker 2: she shares her testimony.
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  Speaker 2: About maybe about 6 months, um, before I got saved,
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  Speaker 2: like when I paroled, came out of prison, um, her
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  Speaker 2: prayer because of my behavior was God, take him out
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  Speaker 2: of my life because I can't handle it or change him,
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  Speaker 2: but I, I just don't know what else to do.
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  Speaker 2: That was her prayer, you know, and for the next
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  Speaker 2: 6 months, you know, um, God was working in my life.
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  Speaker 2: I didn't know it, but there came a point in
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  Speaker 2: time where, where, you know, it just.
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  Speaker 2: That day June 11th of 2000 when I, it, it
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  Speaker 2: things changed, you know, it was a very radical experience
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  Speaker 2: and so, you know, Dolores, I, I get it, you know, um,
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  Speaker 2: well I think my wife would totally understand more from
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  Speaker 2: your standpoint of like things don't seem to be getting better, um,
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  Speaker 2: and sometimes maybe that's when things seem to be getting worse.
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  Speaker 2: God's getting closer to knocking down some barriers, you know,
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  Speaker 2: that's causing your daughter Laura to just be rebellious towards
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  Speaker 2: the things of God. So don't give up, that's for sure.
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  Speaker 2: Isn't it hard to believe that Tommy could ever be
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  Speaker 2: rebellious or, you know, any of those things he described.
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  Speaker 2: He's just the nicest person and pray, praise the Lord.
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  Speaker 2: Praise God. That's all Jesus. It is. It
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  Speaker 1: is all God. We don't want to know BC
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  Speaker 1: Tommy. No, no,
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  Speaker 2: yeah, but we did, we, you know, years ago we
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  Speaker 2: made a film together that kind of talked about, you know,
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  Speaker 2: not just Tommy's life, but a few of the other guys.
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  Speaker 2: And um so we got a little glimpse into that
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  Speaker 2: that previous some of those realities and that God is
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  Speaker 2: able to just deliver people from so don't ever give
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  Speaker 2: up yeah so Father, we pray for uh Dolores just
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  Speaker 2: give her hope, Lord, and maybe even as Tommy shared
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  Speaker 2: his own story a bit, maybe that will encourage her.
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  Speaker 2: We pray that it will and others too that are
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  Speaker 2: listening that are maybe feeling similarly that, you know, everything just.
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  Speaker 2: Seems to be going from bad to worse. And even
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  Speaker 2: though they're praying, nothing's changing. And God, we thank you that, um,
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  Speaker 2: like Tommy said, he didn't even know that you were working.
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  Speaker 2: And then boom, one day you just showed up and
• 16:34
  Speaker 2: changed everything. So we thank you that you can do
• 16:37
  Speaker 2: that and do do that. And we pray for Dolores's daughter,
• 16:40
  Speaker 2: Lourda she, you know, just that description of her, you know,
• 16:44
  Speaker 2: not wanting to hear anything, getting up and leaving the room,
• 16:47
  Speaker 2: you didn't care what the Bible says.
• 16:49
  Speaker 2: Uh, she just seems like a great candidate for like
• 16:51
  Speaker 2: a Saul of Tarsus experience, Lord, that she would just
• 16:55
  Speaker 2: meet you on this road. And so we pray that
• 16:59
  Speaker 2: for her, that you bring her to yourself and that
• 17:01
  Speaker 2: there would be a great story that would come out
• 17:05
  Speaker 2: of this, uh, difficult season. So encourage Dolores, give her,
• 17:11
  Speaker 2: give her hope and give her peace. We pray in Jesus' name. Amen. Amen.
• 17:16
  Speaker 1: Amen. You guys can find out or find this movie.
• 17:20
  Speaker 1: It's called The Neighborhood Our Side of the Story. It
• 17:22
  Speaker 1: came out in 2015 and might be streaming online. I
• 17:26
  Speaker 1: don't know. Uh, I know we had DVDs available years
• 17:30
  Speaker 1: ago at the chapel.
• 17:31
  Speaker 2: I believe it's it's available on iTunes. iTunes,
• 17:33
  Speaker 1: OK, check that out again called The Neighborhood Our Side
• 17:37
  Speaker 1: of the Story. There's another movie that came out a
• 17:39
  Speaker 1: few years ago also called The Neighborhood. That's not the
• 17:41
  Speaker 1: one you want, um, but anyway, thanks you guys for
• 17:45
  Speaker 1: praying for Dolores.
• 17:47
  Speaker 1: 888-564-6173 is our number and here is Greg in Huntington Beach.
• 17:52
  Speaker 1: You are on with Pastors Brian Broderson and Tommy Coda.
• 17:55
  Speaker 1: What's your question, Greg?
• 17:58
  Speaker 2: Oh,
• 17:58
  Speaker 1: hi and thank you
• 17:59
  Speaker 2: for taking my
• 18:00
  Speaker 1: call. Um, I, and I,
• 18:02
  Speaker 2: I wanna be careful because I'm not very articulate and
• 18:04
  Speaker 2: I don't wanna confuse people, but I have a really
• 18:08
  Speaker 2: strong belief in Jesus.
• 18:11
  Speaker 2: And I've had it for, I've had it for my
• 18:14
  Speaker 2: whole life, and I know that, um, when I think
• 18:18
  Speaker 2: about them, um, my insides just, they like expand where
• 18:23
  Speaker 2: I know that there's a God. And I just wonder
• 18:26
  Speaker 2: if other people,
• 18:27
  Speaker 2: People with other religions, um, feel that way about their
• 18:31
  Speaker 2: God because those kind of feelings are what make me
• 18:35
  Speaker 2: never believe in anything other than Jesus. And if somebody
• 18:39
  Speaker 2: was to try to pull me towards their religion, that's
• 18:44
  Speaker 2: what keeps me in my own religion, um, believing in
• 18:47
  Speaker 2: God and Jesus. And I was just curious if people
• 18:51
  Speaker 2: that believe in other gods.
• 18:54
  Speaker 2: Feel that way about their God and how would it
• 18:57
  Speaker 2: be possible to bring them to Jesus if that were
• 19:00
  Speaker 2: the case, Brian.
• 19:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that, that's a, that's a good question. And, and
• 19:06
  Speaker 2: I think, um.
• 19:10
  Speaker 2: When you understand other religions outside of the biblical faith
• 19:16
  Speaker 2: in Jesus, what you begin to realize is that the
• 19:21
  Speaker 2: idea
• 19:22
  Speaker 2: Of a personal God that you have a personal experience
• 19:26
  Speaker 2: with who your experience with Him is is love and
• 19:30
  Speaker 2: mercy and, you know, compassion and kindness and guidance and provision.
• 19:37
  Speaker 2: There's no God outside of Jesus, the God in the
• 19:41
  Speaker 2: Bible like that. So, you know, of course, we can
• 19:45
  Speaker 2: talk about Islam for a moment. So you know, Islam,
• 19:47
  Speaker 2: you have Allah is God in Islam.
• 19:52
  Speaker 2: But what Allah is not is he's not accessible to
• 19:57
  Speaker 2: the average Muslim. It's not like the average Muslim just goes, oh,
• 20:00
  Speaker 2: I just love Allah. I just have such a deep
• 20:03
  Speaker 2: relationship with him. Oh, I just experience his love and
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: his peace and joy. That's not even an option. It's
• 20:08
  Speaker 2: not even offered in the context of what Islam is.
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: Islam is submission. You just, you submit to the rules
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: and basically, you know, hope for the best.
• 20:18
  Speaker 2: And um so there's when you do find, and you
• 20:22
  Speaker 2: do find occasionally some, you know, Muslim people who will
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: talk more like kind of personally about God, but it's,
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: it's really fascinating that a lot of that is borrowed
• 20:32
  Speaker 2: from Christianity. A lot of it is borrowed from Christian
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: testimonies even, you know.
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: Um, so, so, OK, so there's Islam. Uh, in Judaism,
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: you have a similar thing, you know, Judaism's a little
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: bit different, but the average Jewish person doesn't think in
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: terms of, um, you know, a personal relationship with God.
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: They think of a collective relationship with God. You know,
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: we're part of this collective, we're we're Jews and we're
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: people of God, but it's not like God is intimately
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: associated with their lives. I mean, there there are some
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: Jews who think that way, but mostly they don't.
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: Um, because again, the presentation of the message of Judaism
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: or the message of Islam, uh, or, you know, Hinduism
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: is a whole another story because it's a multiplicity of
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: gods and then of course Buddhism is really not even
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: a a theistic religion. Uh, so, but the point is,
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: what we have in the gospels, you know, Jesus says, um,
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: I thank you, you know, he's he's praying to the Father.
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: He says that you have given.
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: Me authority over all humanity and um.
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: You know that I may give eternal life to as
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: many as you've given me, and this is eternal life
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: that they might know you, the only true God and
• 21:52
  Speaker 2: Jesus Christ whom you have sent. So this, this idea
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: of a, of an experiential knowledge of God is exclusively Christian.
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: So that's, I think, you know, when you're thinking about this, Greg,
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: you're describing what you have, that's not just based on
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: feelings or you, you know, you think Jesus is probably
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: a good idea. But the other factor with Jesus is
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: he's a historical figure and our, our faith in him
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: is based upon objective, um.
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: The objective objective activity of God. So God did this
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: in history, and he proved that he did this in
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: history by his miracles, most extraordinarily by his resurrection from
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: the dead and things like that. So.
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: Greg, does this help you?
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah,
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: well, thank you.
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: I just, I'm just,
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: I just know I'm very lucky to feel the way
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: I feel.
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: And I thank God for that. Thank you guys very much. Thanks, Greg.
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: You know, and I think that it's also, it's also Greg, the,
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: the power of the gospel, you know, that's, that's in essence,
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: that's what the gospel does, you know. It, it, it
• 22:59
  Speaker 2: brings this relationship that we get, get to now have
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: with Christ, you know. And so I would encourage you
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: because I think part of your question was like how
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: can I share this? How can I live this out?
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: How can I communicate this, and, and.
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: I would say, you know, not just by your testimony,
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: but by sharing the gospel message of Jesus, you know, um,
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: he who, who, who the sun sets free is free
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: indeed and you know, just, just look over the, the
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: gospel messages and, and just what Jesus has done and
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: the words of Jesus, you know, that you find in
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: the gospel, specifically I think in the Gospel of John.
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: You know, uh, uh, you know, there's no, we can't
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: get to him, right? There's no other way, you know,
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: Jesus is the only way to the Father, that's what
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: he tells us, you know, in, in the Gospel of
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: John chapter 14. So I think it's just sharing these things,
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: knowing these things, and keep communicating the power of the
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: gospel because that's what changes people's lives, uh, is, is
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: the power of the gospel. Yeah, and like, like you, you,
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: you said, um.
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: The, the difference in all of those really is simply
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: that we have a living savior. He's a person who's alive.
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: So it's not just like it's not a philosophical idea.
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: It's not something that happened with some human a long
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: time ago that we're looking back and saying, well, yeah,
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: you know, like, like a Moses, for example, you know, like, no,
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: Jesus is the reason you feel things is because Jesus
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: is real. He's alive and he comes he comes into
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: your life and he, um, you know, as he said in, uh, Revelation.
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: Uh, he sups with us, which is a word for supper,
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: which means he has fellowship, relationship, relationship.
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: Greg, thanks for calling 888-564-6173. Now here's Sarah in Rancho Cucamonga.
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: Thank you, Sarah, for calling into Pastor's Perspective today. You're
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: on with Brian Broderson and Tommy Coda.
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: Hi, thank you for having me. I really appreciate it. Yeah,
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: thanks for calling.
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: Well, I'm calling because uh my family and I are
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: going through the hardest, the hardest time that we've ever
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: been through together and it's just
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: I, I, I don't know what to do. I, I
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: wanna turn to God. Um, I want, I need Jesus
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: so much right now. My, we have, um, I have
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: an 11 year old son and, uh, a 9 month
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: old baby, and I know this is a lot to
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: say at 3 o'clock in the afternoon, but my, I
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: caught my husband having an affair a couple of months
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: ago and uh it's really torn our family.
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: Apart really bad, but thank God, thank you Jesus, that
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: my husband is saying it's, you know, it was the
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: biggest mistake. He wants to be with me for the
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: rest of our lives and work on our family, but
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: it's so hard for me to forgive him, and I'm
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: still in the thick of it because it was, it's
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: so fresh and it hurts so much every day. I
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: sometimes I can't even
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: Focus and think about anything else and I just, I'm
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: suffering sometimes from it and I think, should I leave?
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: What does, what does God want me to do? Um, what,
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: you know, where, what does the Bible say about dealing
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: with something like this? I never thought I would experience
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: this in my life. I, I love my husband so
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: much and odd oddly enough,
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: I, I feel like I love him more and because
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: it hurts so much and I realized I, I wish
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: he wouldn't have done that. I, I don't want to
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: be without him, but it hurts. I'm just struggling. Are
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: you guys doing any kind of marriage counseling or anything?
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: Not yet. I've, um, I've asked him to, but I haven't.
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: I've been very scattered and all over the place with
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: the kids and, and trying to figure everything out, so
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: I just, I haven't pushed it further, but I, I
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: think that's necessary or even just for you yourself. But Tommy,
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: what would you say to
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: Sarah? Yeah, first of all, Sarah, I'm, I'm so sorry
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: that you and your family, your children, um, are having
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: to deal with this. This is a very heavy, heavy thing, and,
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: and
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: You know, I, I, there's, there's a whole lot, you know,
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: like probably a lot, a lot of questions that I
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: would encourage just what, what, uh, what Brian had shared
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: to maybe seek some counsel. Um, you know, I, and I,
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: is your, is your husband a Christian? Does he believe
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: in the Lord?
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: He does, but he, I think he's 1 ft in,
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: 1 ft out because he doesn't wanna let go of
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: his party life, and he, I mean he has, but
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: he admitted to me recently that, um.
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: Yes, he wants to, to be good to me and
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: our family, but he still wants to go to, um,
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: like festivals, like music festivals where, you know, that type
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: of atmosphere is, is not somewhere I don't think a
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: Christian should be. Him and I, before we became, before
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: I became a born again Christian, I used to go
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: to those festivals with
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: him.
• 28:29
  Speaker 2: So you know what they're, you know what they're like and,
• 28:32
  Speaker 2: and everything. It's just a big giant party scene.
• 28:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well, you know, Sarah, I, I think, you know, again, I,
• 28:37
  Speaker 2: I am very sorry that you're going through all these
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: things and I would very much recommend, you know, you,
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: you know, if not with your husband, but you really
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: connect with your, with your local church, the church that
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: you go to, um, and, and share, you know, just
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: let your pastor know, you know, what is, is going
• 28:56
  Speaker 2: on because.
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: You know, there is God is able to heal. God
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: is able to redeem and restore these things, but it's
• 29:04
  Speaker 2: gonna take a work of the Holy Spirit. Obviously it's
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: not a work of man and and when that happens,
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: that means there's there's forgiveness, there's confession, there's true repentance,
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: and those things don't happen overnight. There is.
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: You know, there's time that goes by and, and God
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: reveals the heart, you know, God will reveal the heart,
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: you know, his heart to you and, and.
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: And also reveal some things to you, you know, about
• 29:31
  Speaker 2: yourself perhaps that you can bring into the marriage and
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: for it to be restored and all that stuff. So
• 29:36
  Speaker 2: God is truly able to do these things, but I
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: would really recommend that you get some spiritual counsel in
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: all of this. Yeah,
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: we've got to take a break now, but Sarah, stay
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: on the line and we'll continue our conversation with you
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: and the phone lines are open for the next 30 minutes.
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: Call in 888-564-6173 is the number to call. That's 888-564-6173.
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: All right, we're back on Pastor's Perspective. 888-564-6173 is the
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: number to call. We've got Pastors Brian Broderson and Tommy
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: Coda here answering your questions, and we were just speaking
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: with Sarah, who called. She's asking for advice on what
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: to do about her marriage. Found out that her husband
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: was having an affair. I guess your husband was having
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: an affair during the time you were pregnant because you
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: said you have a nine month old baby, right?
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: Sarah, are you there?
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: Did you press mute on your phone? I'm so sorry
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: that my phone was on mute. I apologize. I knew it.
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: That's always what it is.
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so you're correct, um, his affair was happening, uh,
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: during the time that I was, well, right before I
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: was pregnant, while I was pregnant, and, um, during my, um, recovery,
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: and
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so that makes it hurt even more and um I,
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: I just
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: Some days it's just so difficult. I don't know how
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: to deal.
• 31:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well, it, it, you know, stuff like this takes
• 31:25
  Speaker 2: a long time and it's, and it, of course it.
• 31:28
  Speaker 2: is only going to heal if there is a genuine,
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: um,
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: repentance on his part. I'm, I'm curious, Sarah, did, how
• 31:40
  Speaker 2: did you find out about this? Did he confess it
• 31:43
  Speaker 2: to you? Did it get exposed some other way?
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: Uh, how is it that
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: you know?
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: I wish that he had confessed it to me, um,
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: but he didn't. I had, uh, he came home from, well,
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: it was supposed to be work at about
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: 2 in the morning and was acting a little strange
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: and then when I woke up to take our oldest
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: son to school at 6 o'clock I had a feeling
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: to look at his phone and I did and I
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: saw a message from the other woman thanking, thanking him
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: for that night and so I decided to speak with
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: her and I messaged her and that's pretty much how
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: it all started and so I
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: She admitted to me um what was going on. They've
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: been doing it for almost 2 years and
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: Then I, I told him after I took my son
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: to school that I read the messages and he denied
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: it up until he realized there was no denying it anymore.
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: Then he admitted it to me and it's been a
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: very
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: Long process of trying to get information out and um
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: it's all out in the open, but uh something I've
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: also been concerned about is I think she might possibly
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: be pregnant. So um that also is like a
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: Big, a big kick to my heart.
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: So, well, that, that makes a, that makes a huge
• 33:14
  Speaker 2: difference of, you know, just finding out that way rather than, um,
• 33:19
  Speaker 2: confessing it.
• 33:21
  Speaker 2: I, you know, and, and like you said, I mean,
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: you know, you started off by saying he had an affair, but,
• 33:27
  Speaker 2: you know, thankfully he wants to stay together and, and
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: work through it. But does he really? and is he really, um,
• 33:35
  Speaker 2: you know, willing to take the steps, and I think
• 33:37
  Speaker 2: when he's saying things like, yeah, but I, I still wanna,
• 33:40
  Speaker 2: you know, go to my parties and I wanna.
• 33:42
  Speaker 2: You know, that doesn't sound to me like a person
• 33:44
  Speaker 2: who really wants to see a change in their situation.
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: So
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: is he just afraid of having to pay you alimony
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: and pay child support and all that other stuff?
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: That's what I was wondering too, but he has
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: He told me, um, a few times that he hates
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: seeing me hurt and he's, he hates that he hurt
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: me so much and he was being selfish and he
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: just wanted something on the side and, and, uh, and he,
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: he should have cut it off a long time ago and,
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: you know, things like that and, and he said um
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: he wants to grow old with me and make me happy,
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: but it scares me. I
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: I told him, you know, these are just things that
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: you're saying, but it's going to require you to take action,
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: some sort of action for me to see you making
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: a
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: change.
• 34:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. I mean, you know, he could sweet talk
• 34:42
  Speaker 2: you all day with that stuff, and it doesn't necessarily
• 34:45
  Speaker 2: mean anything. It's only going to mean something if you
• 34:47
  Speaker 2: see that there really is change, which obviously the first
• 34:51
  Speaker 2: thing is that he's completely disassociated from this woman.
• 34:55
  Speaker 2: And from other women too. So, uh, and I, I
• 34:58
  Speaker 2: just want to say this too, you know, you're from
• 35:01
  Speaker 2: a biblical standpoint, you are free to make the decision
• 35:05
  Speaker 2: that you feel is best for you. So there's nothing
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  Speaker 2: in the Bible that binds you to
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  Speaker 2: You know, well, I have to stay in this marriage. Um,
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  Speaker 2: so I'm not saying to get out of it, but
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  Speaker 2: I'm just saying don't, don't think that that isn't a
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  Speaker 2: possibility or that if, if you decided to do that,
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  Speaker 2: that you would somehow be, you know, falling out with
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  Speaker 2: God or displeasing God, you know, that's a lot of times,
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  Speaker 2: you know, especially with, I, I think with women, more,
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  Speaker 2: more sense, uh, more women have this kind of a
• 35:34
  Speaker 2: feeling like, you know, husband has been doing this, been
• 35:37
  Speaker 2: cheating and behaving this way, but
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: I can't divorce him because that's, you know, it's going
• 35:43
  Speaker 2: to break God's heart or I'm going to be sinning
• 35:44
  Speaker 2: against God. And, and that's not the case, you know,
• 35:47
  Speaker 2: from a bib biblical standpoint, that's not the case for you, Sarah,
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  Speaker 2: you know, and, um, you know, it is, it is
• 35:53
  Speaker 2: hard just, just to hear what you're going through, you know, uh,
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  Speaker 2: it sounds like he's very sorrowful for the consequences, you know,
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  Speaker 2: rather than, um, you really being upfront, you know, um, so.
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  Speaker 2: I would encourage you, Sarah, for, for you and, and
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  Speaker 2: if he's willing to get some, you know, biblical counsel and,
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  Speaker 2: and really have this discussion about confessing and repenting and
• 36:14
  Speaker 2: healing and and redeeming and really allowing the Lord and,
• 36:18
  Speaker 2: you know, just a life transformation where there's no other
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  Speaker 2: desire to go out, but just really to be the
• 36:24
  Speaker 2: husband that God wants him to be.
• 36:26
  Speaker 2: Um, to really seek that counsel, whether he wants to
• 36:29
  Speaker 2: join you or not. I think even if it's just
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  Speaker 2: going to be you, I, I would encourage you with
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  Speaker 2: your local church and your pastor that, you know, that
• 36:36
  Speaker 2: you have, you know, prayfully you have, you know, a
• 36:38
  Speaker 2: local church that you have a relationship with, you know, um,
• 36:41
  Speaker 2: that you can connect with so that.
• 36:43
  Speaker 2: You can get the good biblical insight from, uh, you know,
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  Speaker 2: a faith community that you're a part of to help
• 36:50
  Speaker 2: you with this journey because this is a very hard
• 36:52
  Speaker 2: thing to deal with, you know, over a phone call
• 36:54
  Speaker 2: like this. Yeah, absolutely, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: yeah.
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  Speaker 1: There's a radio program that airs here on KWave on
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: the weekends on our AM station. It's called New Life Live, and, uh,
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: that ministry has a, uh, program. They have one coming
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: up in a couple of weeks. In fact, it's called
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  Speaker 1: Restore Healing After Betrayal. It's just for women who have
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: been through something like this, and the next one is
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: happening in Washington DC. It begins in a couple of weeks.
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  Speaker 1: You can find out more about it online at newlife.com/restore.
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  Speaker 1: But uh Sarah, we're gonna be praying for you. Everybody
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: watching and listening is gonna be praying for you as well.
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  Speaker 1: In fact, Brian, would you pray
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  Speaker 2: for her? Yeah, we happily, Lord, we pray for Sarah
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  Speaker 2: and our hearts break over this story and we just
• 37:39
  Speaker 2: pray that you would just somehow meet her where she's at,
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  Speaker 2: that you would comfort her, and that you would give
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  Speaker 2: her wisdom, Lord, on what the future does look like.
• 37:51
  Speaker 2: And we pray for her husband that he would really turn.
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  Speaker 2: Away from sin and turn away from self that he
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  Speaker 2: would turn to you, Lord, and we know, you know, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: he feels bad about it right now, but there needs
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  Speaker 2: to be more than just feeling bad about it. There
• 38:08
  Speaker 2: needs to be change and Lord, so we pray for
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  Speaker 2: deep conviction. We pray for the conviction of the Holy
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  Speaker 2: Spirit to bring him to.
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  Speaker 2: Uh, a place of repenting, turning away from sin and
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  Speaker 2: turning to you. And because Lord, we know that his,
• 38:26
  Speaker 2: you know, even his best intentions are, are not gonna
• 38:29
  Speaker 2: be sufficient for, uh, what, what the need is ahead. So,
• 38:34
  Speaker 2: but for Sarah too, as she daily, like she said,
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  Speaker 2: you know, just the thoughts come to her mind and
• 38:40
  Speaker 2: she struggles with that and.
• 38:41
  Speaker 2: That's totally understandable. We, we pray that you would shield
• 38:44
  Speaker 2: her and, um, just watch over her and, um, we
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  Speaker 2: pray that you would bless her. Jesus' name. Amen.
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  Speaker 1: Amen. 888-564-6173. Let's talk to Isaiah in Whittier. Hi Isaiah,
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: thanks for downloading the Kwave app. Thanks for calling in today.
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: Hey, how's it going, guys?
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: Good. I had a question. Um, what's the best way
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: to defend the faith, um, in a non-combative way, um,
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: and just for a little bit of context, um,
• 39:20
  Speaker 2: I
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: kind of
• 39:20
  Speaker 2: bumped
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: into some Jehovah Witnesses,
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  Speaker 2: and they were speaking to me and I was speaking
• 39:25
  Speaker 2: to them, and, uh, a scripture I had mentioned was, well,
• 39:28
  Speaker 2: why did Thomas call Jesus my God and my Lord?
• 39:33
  Speaker 2: But that was as far as I can go, um,
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  Speaker 2: comfortably and from my memory, so I just was hoping
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  Speaker 2: maybe you guys can give a little bit better.
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  Speaker 2: Um, advice or context on what's the best way to
• 39:46
  Speaker 2: You know, and talk to people that are either not
• 39:48
  Speaker 2: of the faith or trying to dispute that this is God.
• 39:52
  Speaker 2: What, what, what did they say when you said that
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  Speaker 2: to him?
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  Speaker 2: Um, shoot, I have a, sometimes I have a bad memory,
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  Speaker 2: but I, when I was speaking to her, um, and
• 40:04
  Speaker 2: her husband, they were bringing up like different scriptures from
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  Speaker 2: like the book of John where you say if you
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  Speaker 2: believe in the Father, you believe in the Son, she's like, see,
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  Speaker 2: he's the son, but I'll, I, my response was like,
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  Speaker 2: you know,
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  Speaker 2: Us as humans, why is it that we try to
• 40:20
  Speaker 2: put God in a box, you know, who, who are
• 40:22
  Speaker 2: we to say that, you know, God can't become a
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  Speaker 2: human and, and Jesus can't be God either, you know? And, um,
• 40:30
  Speaker 2: you know, she was just, she was going on her
• 40:31
  Speaker 2: phone looking up different Bible verses, trying to dispute it,
• 40:35
  Speaker 2: and then I just asked her, you know, like, well,
• 40:38
  Speaker 2: why did, why did he say to the Pharisees, um,
• 40:40
  Speaker 2: before Abraham was, I am, and then they were just kept,
• 40:44
  Speaker 2: you know, sticking to their, you know.
• 40:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah, sticking to their, their point. I was like, oh man,
• 40:51
  Speaker 2: I gotta get better at this. Yeah, well, that, you know, that's,
• 40:54
  Speaker 2: that's kind of the way they operate. I mean, they,
• 40:55
  Speaker 2: you know, they have their scriptures that they lock into
• 40:58
  Speaker 2: and then that's just where they go and they take
• 41:02
  Speaker 2: refuge in that. And even if you're showing them scriptures
• 41:05
  Speaker 2: that say something different, they, you know, they, they tend
• 41:09
  Speaker 2: to hold on. I, I think, you know, there really
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  Speaker 2: is a spiritual blindness there, and that's why they just
• 41:16
  Speaker 2: can't see.
• 41:17
  Speaker 2: But the best, the best bet is just what you did.
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  Speaker 2: And I, I think the Gospel of John, I just
• 41:25
  Speaker 2: read John chapter 18 this morning. So that's I've been
• 41:27
  Speaker 2: on my journey for the last, I don't know, a
• 41:29
  Speaker 2: week or whatever, uh, reading through John's Gospel and it's like,
• 41:32
  Speaker 2: oh my gosh, I mean this, this gospel is just,
• 41:35
  Speaker 2: it's written. John says that he wrote it, that you
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  Speaker 2: may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God,
• 41:40
  Speaker 2: and that believing you may have life in his name.
• 41:43
  Speaker 2: Um, John highlights the divinity of Jesus in.
• 41:49
  Speaker 2: In more and clearer ways than any of the other
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  Speaker 2: gospel writers. They all do it, but John does it
• 41:57
  Speaker 2: like in a way where he's just, you know, putting
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  Speaker 2: it out there over and over and over again, beginning
• 42:02
  Speaker 2: with the very first verse of the Bible.
• 42:04
  Speaker 2: The very 1st 3 verses in the beginning, I mean,
• 42:07
  Speaker 2: of the gospel. Uh, you know, in the beginning was
• 42:09
  Speaker 2: the Word, the Word was with God, and the Word
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  Speaker 2: was God. Now, the New World translation, the Jehovah's Witness
• 42:14
  Speaker 2: Bible says, uh, in the beginning was the Word and
• 42:16
  Speaker 2: the Word was with God and the Word was a God. Well,
• 42:19
  Speaker 2: they just decided to put the A in there because they,
• 42:24
  Speaker 2: that's that's their theology. There's no basis for it in the,
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  Speaker 2: there's nothing in the Greek text that allows for it
• 42:30
  Speaker 2: or there's no Greek text in the world that actually
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  Speaker 2: has that in it.
• 42:34
  Speaker 2: Um, and then, you know, if you go to verse 18,
• 42:38
  Speaker 2: verse 18 says no one has ever seen God speaking
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  Speaker 2: of the Father, but the one and only Son who
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  Speaker 2: is also Himself God, He has brought him out into
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  Speaker 2: the open. That's the NIV translation of John 1:18. And
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  Speaker 2: I mean, it's like you can't get any clearer than this,
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  Speaker 2: you know, the only, the one and only Son who
• 42:55
  Speaker 2: is also Himself God. It's like, OK, well, but.
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  Speaker 2: Again, you know, with Jehovah's Witnesses, and I've been to
• 43:03
  Speaker 2: Kingdom Hall. I've sat in the Kingdom Hall and debated
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  Speaker 2: with the elders and everything, and
• 43:09
  Speaker 2: I mean, sometimes it's, it's just unbelievable the, the tenacity
• 43:14
  Speaker 2: with which they will hold on to the deception. And it,
• 43:17
  Speaker 2: it is, I, I think it is a spiritual stronghold,
• 43:20
  Speaker 2: you know, they're just, uh, the, the enemy has truly
• 43:23
  Speaker 2: blinded them and they are very, I think when they go,
• 43:26
  Speaker 2: you know, house to house, you know, I, you always
• 43:28
  Speaker 2: see them early in the morning on Saturdays, right down
• 43:30
  Speaker 2: the street, you know, and it's like, all right, I'm,
• 43:32
  Speaker 2: I'm getting ready, they're gonna come.
• 43:33
  Speaker 2: My house, I think they came to my house twice
• 43:35
  Speaker 2: and so now they skip my house, you know, I, but,
• 43:39
  Speaker 2: but the thing is, is like they come, you know,
• 43:41
  Speaker 2: they come rehearsed. They have, they have like a, a
• 43:45
  Speaker 2: pocket full of, of, you know, verses to from their
• 43:50
  Speaker 2: translation and, and, in anticipation of engaging, you know, like
• 43:55
  Speaker 2: a debate with Christians.
• 43:57
  Speaker 2: You know, who will say, well, you know, when you
• 44:00
  Speaker 2: go to these doors they're probably gonna ask you about
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  Speaker 2: this verse, and when they do bring up this, this
• 44:04
  Speaker 2: and this and say it like this, you know, and, uh, and,
• 44:07
  Speaker 2: and they always have someone like, you know, kind of like, uh,
• 44:10
  Speaker 2: an elder that might be with them that, you know, if, um,
• 44:14
  Speaker 2: for whatever reason.
• 44:15
  Speaker 2: Uh, they're having a challenge, then the elder will come
• 44:18
  Speaker 2: and step in and, and usually when that happens, the
• 44:22
  Speaker 2: conversation gets shut down very quickly and here you want
• 44:24
  Speaker 2: to take this magazine or not, you know, and, uh,
• 44:27
  Speaker 2: they move on to the next house, but.
• 44:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it, it is. I think the best thing, Isaiah,
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  Speaker 2: you know, what, what you did is, is, you know,
• 44:33
  Speaker 2: sharing the word of God and, and, you know, ask,
• 44:35
  Speaker 2: bringing up these questions because a lot of times, you know, like,
• 44:38
  Speaker 2: like when you brought up the question to them about,
• 44:41
  Speaker 2: you know, when Jesus said, I, you know, before Abraham was,
• 44:44
  Speaker 2: I am, you know, that's, that's a very, there you go.
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  Speaker 2: So now what do you say? And a lot of
• 44:50
  Speaker 2: times I, I, I wanna believe that a lot of these, um.
• 44:55
  Speaker 2: People like say with Jehovah's Witness, they'll they'll go home
• 44:58
  Speaker 2: and maybe begin to wrestle with that question that you
• 45:02
  Speaker 2: had asked them.
• 45:03
  Speaker 2: And prayerfully it'll cause them to dig a little deeper.
• 45:07
  Speaker 2: I've actually come in contact with, and I even think
• 45:10
  Speaker 2: there's probably a couple of people at our church that
• 45:12
  Speaker 2: at one point were, you know, looking or we're going
• 45:15
  Speaker 2: to Jehovah Witness, we're, we're going to Kingdom Hall and had,
• 45:19
  Speaker 2: you know, some of these thoughts planted in their hearts
• 45:22
  Speaker 2: and in their minds, you know, and so now, you know,
• 45:24
  Speaker 2: now because of wrestling with some of these questions, they've
• 45:28
  Speaker 2: they've come to full faith in Christ Jesus and so.
• 45:30
  Speaker 2: I think those are great ways to do that and
• 45:33
  Speaker 2: just keep asking these questions, kind of reverse it, you know,
• 45:36
  Speaker 2: with them and ask them to think about some of
• 45:39
  Speaker 2: the passages in the gospels. Yeah, here, here's a great one. I, this,
• 45:43
  Speaker 2: I would recommend this is a, this is a good
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  Speaker 2: one just to ask them this question. Isaiah, um,
• 45:50
  Speaker 2: Isaiah 44:6, the Lord says, um, I am the first
• 45:56
  Speaker 2: and the last, and it's Yahweh speaking, who of course
• 45:59
  Speaker 2: they would call Jehovah. Um, so he makes this declaration,
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  Speaker 2: he is the first and the last, the beginning and
• 46:04
  Speaker 2: the end, and so forth. Um, when you go to
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  Speaker 2: Revelation 1:17, Jesus says, I am the first and the last,
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  Speaker 2: and then just so we know who's talking, he says,
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  Speaker 2: I am the one who was dead.
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  Speaker 2: And behold, I am alive forevermore, and I have the
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  Speaker 2: keys of hell and death. So it's crystal clear Jesus
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  Speaker 2: is the one talking. He says, I'm the first and
• 46:25
  Speaker 2: the last. So which is it? Well, could it be
• 46:30
  Speaker 2: that we have the same person talking here? See, that's
• 46:33
  Speaker 2: when they give you the magazine and they, and you know,
• 46:38
  Speaker 2: the problem is, of course, they, they can't envision.
• 46:43
  Speaker 2: This idea, you know, that there is a tri-unity within
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  Speaker 2: the nature of God. So, you know, um, they, they
• 46:52
  Speaker 2: just think of a singular person can't be two or three.
• 46:57
  Speaker 2: It's just a singular person. So it's, it's just there
• 47:01
  Speaker 2: and you know, the, the, the idea of the Trinity is,
• 47:04
  Speaker 2: is a little bit hard to get your head around,
• 47:06
  Speaker 2: but
• 47:07
  Speaker 2: It's stated in scripture, so it's not necessary to fully
• 47:11
  Speaker 2: comprehend it. It's what's necessary is to believe what it says,
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  Speaker 2: and there's, there's evidence everywhere that Jesus is, He is
• 47:20
  Speaker 2: the first and the last. He is God in the flesh.
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  Speaker 1: Isaiah, thanks for calling
• 47:25
  Speaker 2: us
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  Speaker 1: today. And now we'll talk to Laura in Upland listening
• 47:28
  Speaker 1: to Kwave. What's your question for us, Laura?
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  Speaker 1: Hi there. Um, well, first I want to thank Tommy
• 47:35
  Speaker 1: for praying for me weeks ago. It happened the very
• 47:37
  Speaker 1: next day, so things were cleared up.
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: And then I also prayed today about something and it
• 47:42
  Speaker 1: happened right away this morning. And so, but I want
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: to know about the knowledge back in Genesis with Adam
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  Speaker 1: and Eve before.
• 47:51
  Speaker 1: They sinned. God said, you know, don't eat from this
• 47:55
  Speaker 1: tree of the knowledge of good and evil, and then
• 47:59
  Speaker 1: there's the tree of life. And then, so if they
• 48:02
  Speaker 1: didn't have any knowledge because they were naked and unashamed,
• 48:05
  Speaker 1: and they were unknowing, all they had to go on
• 48:07
  Speaker 1: was just listen to God, which is good, you know, obedience.
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  Speaker 1: How would they know when the serpent came to him,
• 48:14
  Speaker 1: whether the serpent was lying to him or not? How
• 48:17
  Speaker 1: would they know anything because they didn't know anything.
• 48:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I, I, they, they knew enough from what
• 48:24
  Speaker 2: God had shared with them because God is the one
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  Speaker 2: who said, you know, do not eat of the tree
• 48:30
  Speaker 2: of the knowledge of good and evil there because in
• 48:32
  Speaker 2: the day that you eat of it, you shall surely die.
• 48:35
  Speaker 2: And so there was an understanding for, for, for Adam,
• 48:38
  Speaker 2: you know, to, when he received that, like this is,
• 48:42
  Speaker 2: you know, in a sense, this is, if I eat
• 48:45
  Speaker 2: of this fruit, this is in complete rebellion and disobedience,
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  Speaker 2: you know, to what the Lord had said.
• 48:51
  Speaker 2: You know, so, um, and that's, that's what they had,
• 48:54
  Speaker 2: you know, that's what they had to go off of.
• 48:56
  Speaker 2: And because of the temptation of the devil, uh, tempting Eve,
• 49:00
  Speaker 2: and the Bible says she saw the fruit that it
• 49:03
  Speaker 2: was good, you know, good to eat, and it was attractive,
• 49:06
  Speaker 2: and so she ate of it and, you know, and
• 49:08
  Speaker 2: then she also gave to her husband, and when he ate,
• 49:11
  Speaker 2: that's when their eyes were opened to their sin and
• 49:13
  Speaker 2: to their shame, just as what God had said.
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  Speaker 2: You know, that sin would come in. Um, in other words, this, this,
• 49:20
  Speaker 2: you know, you shall surely die. This, this separation, death
• 49:23
  Speaker 2: was then entered into mankind, humankind, because of this rebellion. Um,
• 49:29
  Speaker 2: and so the consequence of that, you know, we're all
• 49:32
  Speaker 2: dealing with now because of that rebellion towards the Lord.
• 49:38
  Speaker 1: What do you think, Laura?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I, I was thinking that. I mean, we only
• 49:44
  Speaker 1: know from obedience, so we wouldn't have known anything else.
• 49:47
  Speaker 1: I mean, our eyes are open now, so we get
• 49:50
  Speaker 1: it now, but I'm just wondering how we wouldn't have
• 49:54
  Speaker 1: before just a serpent. The serpent really bothers me. Well,
• 49:57
  Speaker 2: I think you have to understand that, um, you know,
• 50:01
  Speaker 2: Genesis is not telling us everything that happened. It's not
• 50:04
  Speaker 2: giving us all the background, the detail.
• 50:06
  Speaker 2: So it wasn't like this is all that happened and
• 50:09
  Speaker 2: this is all God said, and the day you eat
• 50:10
  Speaker 2: of it, you will, you will die. Um, you'll know
• 50:13
  Speaker 2: good and evil. And they're like, what does that mean? Die,
• 50:17
  Speaker 2: good and evil. So, obviously we would have to assume
• 50:20
  Speaker 2: that they had some knowledge of this. So God must
• 50:24
  Speaker 2: have instructed them, but the text doesn't tell us that
• 50:26
  Speaker 2: because the text is focusing on, you know, the event
• 50:29
  Speaker 2: rather than the background of the event.
• 50:32
  Speaker 1: Thanks for your phone call today on Pastor's Perspective. And
• 50:34
  Speaker 1: now here's Alisa in Ontario listening to us on the
• 50:38
  Speaker 1: KWave app. What's your question for us today, Alisa?
• 50:42
  Speaker 1: Hi, um, I was just wondering, um, in First Timothy,
• 50:48
  Speaker 1: it says that women should not be teachers but to
• 50:52
  Speaker 1: be quietly learning and to be submissive.
• 50:58
  Speaker 1: And if you have any questions,
• 51:01
  Speaker 1: Um, to ask the, the, their husband. Um, in recent years,
• 51:07
  Speaker 1: it's been standing out more to me that women have
• 51:11
  Speaker 1: been teaching.
• 51:13
  Speaker 1: But there, there's some that aren't, um, rightly dividing God's word,
• 51:21
  Speaker 1: and there are, uh, women teachers who are rightly diviating
• 51:27
  Speaker 1: God's word. How does the scripture pertain to today's versus, um,
• 51:38
  Speaker 1: And, uh, versus the biblical, uh, days.
• 51:43
  Speaker 1: And if it's
• 51:45
  Speaker 1: Worth ending a friendship over and if there's great for
• 51:51
  Speaker 1: the women teachers. Ending a friendship. So are you friends
• 51:55
  Speaker 1: with a woman pastor, woman teacher, or is a friend
• 51:58
  Speaker 1: of yours for or in support of women pastors? What's
• 52:03
  Speaker 1: the story?
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  Speaker 1: Um, I have a friend that's, uh,
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  Speaker 1: Against, um, women teachers, she's more legal, legalistic, legal, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I wanna say.
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  Speaker 1: Hm
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  Speaker 1: And
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  Speaker 2: yeah, OK, yeah, this, this is a question that comes up, um,
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  Speaker 2: you know, fairly often these days, and, uh, as a
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  Speaker 2: matter of fact, Tommy and I were on a
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  Speaker 2: Uh, Zoom call the other day with some friends and
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  Speaker 2: we were, we were talking about some of this. So
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  Speaker 2: I think that the, the first thing to understand is
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  Speaker 2: that whatever you believe about that passage, uh, you, you don't,
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  Speaker 2: every Christian doesn't have to believe the exact same thing
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  Speaker 2: about it, and you're, you're still a Christian and you're still,
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  Speaker 2: you know, in the good graces of God. You know,
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  Speaker 2: some people wanna make a, a bigger deal out of
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  Speaker 2: certain issues and, and texts and I think is warranted.
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  Speaker 2: In the scripture. So, the question is, um, what is
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  Speaker 2: happening in 1 Timothy chapter 2, where Paul says, I
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  Speaker 2: do not permit a woman to teach or to exercise
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  Speaker 2: authority over men. So, I think the problem a lot
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  Speaker 2: of times is that you, you know, verse 12 is
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  Speaker 2: the only verse that's read without a consideration of the
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  Speaker 2: previous verses and the verses that follow. And when you
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  Speaker 2: look at the context of the statement and remember that
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  Speaker 2: this was written.
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  Speaker 2: Uh, this wasn't written to us. This was written to, uh, Timothy,
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  Speaker 2: who was leading a church in Ephesus, and there's something
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  Speaker 2: very specific that is happening in that church that Paul
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  Speaker 2: is addressing. And I think if we recognize that Paul
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  Speaker 2: is addressing something very specific, then we realize, OK, it's
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  Speaker 2: not just a random like, hey, we don't want women teaching,
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  Speaker 2: we just want men doing it. Um, there's a reason
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  Speaker 2: why he's saying what he's saying. And it seems to
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  Speaker 2: me
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  Speaker 2: That he's saying what he's saying because there is a
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  Speaker 2: group of women in this congregation who are trying to
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  Speaker 2: sort of like hijack the church. That's what they're doing.
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  Speaker 2: And he's telling Timothy, don't let that happen. And then
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  Speaker 2: he goes on and he explains some things that are
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  Speaker 2: still for even scholars today, they don't know exactly why
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  Speaker 2: Paul said some of the things he said at the end,
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  Speaker 2: he talks about women being saved in childbirth, and he
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  Speaker 2: talks about Eve and
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  Speaker 2: You know, so there's like, OK, why, why is he
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  Speaker 2: saying that? And frankly, we don't know for sure. I
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  Speaker 2: wish he would have just said this is why I'm
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  Speaker 2: saying this for you guys 2000 years ago or 2000
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  Speaker 2: years from now. This is, this is what it would
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  Speaker 2: be extremely extreme.
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  Speaker 2: Extremely, extremely clear. And, you know, I also think that,
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  Speaker 2: you know, this is not, this is not something to
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  Speaker 2: lose a friendship over either. You know, this is not
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  Speaker 2: like an essential thing to where you lose a friendship
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  Speaker 2: over and say, OK, you know what, just because you
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  Speaker 2: believe a certain way or, you know, you're you're, you know,
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  Speaker 2: this is your, you know, this is what you believe. Now,
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  Speaker 2: that's it. I can't be your friend no more. That's not.
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  Speaker 2: I don't think that's the right thing either, you know, um,
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  Speaker 2: and there's, and there's two different positions where, you know,
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  Speaker 2: people are OK with, you know, women being pastors and, and,
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  Speaker 2: or women teaching and communicating because they are gifted, you know,
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  Speaker 2: God does gift people and then there's another group, you know, of,
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  Speaker 2: of people who take the position where, no, a woman
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  Speaker 2: is not allowed to preach and to teach, and I
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  Speaker 2: don't think we, there should be any division over those things,
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  Speaker 2: you know, um, because, you know, friendships matter.
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  Speaker 2: And, and, and so I would encourage you to.
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  Speaker 2: To sew into your friendship.
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  Speaker 2: Amen.
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  Speaker 1: Alyssa, thank you so much for your phone call today
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  Speaker 1: on Pastor's Perspective, and we're out of time, but we'll
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  Speaker 1: be here again tomorrow between 3 and 4. Pastor Brian
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  Speaker 1: will be here tomorrow. Tommy Coda, thanks for joining us again, man.
• 55:55
  Speaker 1: Keep your phone on because we might be calling you
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  Speaker 1: again soon here on Pastor's Perspective.