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Chucky Retrospective: Child's Play 1 & 2 · Citizen Frame

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Music.
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I am a vintage, mass-marketed children's toy from the 80s, standing right in
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front of you, holding a very sharp scalpel.
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I'm turning human again? If I don't get out of this body soon, I'm screwed.
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You little shit! Do you know what you've done?
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Hi, I'm Chucky, and I'm your friend to the end. I like a little killing now
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and then. What's wrong with that?
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Music.
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Hey everybody, welcome back to Citizen Frame, and welcome back to another Citizen Frame Retrospective.
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Today's series well this next four five
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or six podcasts are going to be chalice play
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that's right the challenge the chalice play franchise we've
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been promising it for quite some time now now we're giving it out that's it
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thank you for joining us well over the last while obviously for the podcast
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but i've always been a chucky fan but i have been re-immersing myself in chucky
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and I've started watching the TV series.
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So already I'm sort of getting Chucky fatigue a little bit, but I still enjoy
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it. But, you know, let's talk Child's Play 1 and 2.
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All right. Yeah, so as you mentioned, we're going to be doing two films in one.
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So Child's Play 1 and 2 for this podcast and 3 and 4 for the next, etc, etc.
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Like we did Nightmares in the Friday 13th.
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So we're just going to jump into it. Yep. Good old Chucky. Starting with Child's
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Play 1. I remember seeing this in the theater.
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I was fucking, I loved Child's Play when I was younger. What was I?
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16 maybe when it came out? But I remember seeing the theater,
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seeing it quite a few times.
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Yeah, that surge of all these films coming out that were so good.
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Lost Boys came out around that time.
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Hellraiser, they came out that time. Child's Play. He had Waxwork.
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All these different films were coming out at the same time,
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But yes, I remember Child's Play, as I've often discussed on this podcast,
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I didn't get to see these films because I was a kid.
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It was like 12, 13 when Child's Play came out. I didn't get to see it until
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it was released in video.
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But I remember absolutely loving it.
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And it still holds up, in my opinion.
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Well, let's see how that holds up stands up. Yeah. See how my hold up holds up.
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How your hold up stands up. Yeah. That's what I said.
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That might make my comment made more sense. Well, they both make sense technically.
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No, yours is stupid. Right, whatever.
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Yours is dumb. No one's going to believe it. Heidi-ho, want to play?
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He just ruined it. Movie's the worst movie ever right now. So Don Messini,
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who's the creator of the Chuckies, he pretty much got the idea from a,
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you know, pretty much his dad was a marketing ad exec. So he pretty much got
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the idea from consumerism.
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So I think it was in college, Berkeley or somewhere. I can't remember where
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he went, but that's where he came up with the idea for Chucky.
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And he knew it was going to be rewritten a couple times. John Lafayette did
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some rewrites. Actually, he did the most successful rewrite.
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And Tom Holland got his hands on there as well.
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Now, Tom Holland at the time was known as a screenwriter.
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He had very, I personally think, great success.
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They weren't hits at the time, but they became really cult hits,
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which was obviously the underrated, now very popular, Psycho 2. Yes.
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And the awesome, people need to see it, Class of 1984. Yeah.
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And two very good films. And then he obviously went on to direct Fright Night,
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which is considered one of the probably… Oh, it's a classic.
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A fan fan. Yeah, it's brilliant.
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A fan fan. Apparently, Mancini and Holland did not get on over Holland's changes
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to Mancini's original script and story, and Holland got Mancini banned from
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the set when they were filming it.
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Yeah, there's a reason why Holland's not back for two, and we'll dive into that.
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But Holland, I don't want him to speak. I wasn't there. Yes,
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of course, same here. But even Holland's, I watched the documentary.
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I'm a Holland fan, so no disrespect to Holland, but it seems like a lot of the
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crew weren't fans of Holland. Right.
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And the way he directs, so forth, and he was not invited back.
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David Kirshner made that quite clear in part two. Okay.
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He was not even a choice. so some,
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eggs were broken there but we always say too many egos in the kitchen well you
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know this is not a surprise to me you know not the Holland stuff but you know
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people not getting on during the movie making process you know what I mean it's
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as old as movie making itself you know these things happen including the rewrites things,
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well one of the things they changed Tom Holland changed which I agree with Tom
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Tom we're good friends too Of course.
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Like you and Eager as well, you used to be, but does it have fallen out now? Yeah.
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As I like to call it, Nasferat. Nasferat, no.
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Get it? Yes. Nasferat, too. Nasferat, no. Yeah, that was even worse than my
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joke earlier. Nasferat, no.
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I should change that. I'm going to change the title. All right.
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All right. I'm sorry, we're talking good film. So the original concept was that
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the doll was going to become Andy's alter ego.
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It's going to become his lashing out at the people he's been bullied and so forth.
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And then the doll would protect him, which is kind of the way they go with in
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the new version. The reboot.
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No, the reboot. And the series, yeah. Because, again, keep in mind the reboot.
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Well, we'll dive into that one. it was actually
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originally called batteries not included but at
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the time spielberg had a film coming out called but
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yeah batteries not included so they decided
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not to go that way and they had the working title was
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bloody buddy thank god that was
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not the title that's terrible yeah there's obviously influences here from i
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mean the sort of you know possessed doll sort of thing in horror films is a
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trope that has been around for a long long time you know I mean there's obviously
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inspirations here from the Twilight Zone episode you know about the talking doll with Tilly Savalas.
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Talking Tina and then you go back even
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to the 1940s Dead of Night you know with Michael Redgrave and the ventriloquist's
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stomach you can list a bunch yeah Tales from the Crypt had one with Joan Collins
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I think was being attacked by a voodoo thing that was the other one Michelle
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Black Trilogy of Terror Michelle Black. Yeah.
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Yes, that's right. And then you had Magic. Yeah. They have V.
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Hopkins, the ventriloquist.
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So, yeah, it's not, you know.
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But I think this was the first time they peppered in a hint of comedy.
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So it's more of a comedy horror, the first Child's Play. Yeah.
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Although it's funny because with Child's Play, we talked about this with,
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where at least the 513s had a good steady 4-5,
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films and then it kind of went batshit crazy and then
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you had the nightmares in particular the nightmare in elm
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streets you you can't the problem
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i have nightmares was it went from a very
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dark pedophile serial killer of children to this
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camp lovable one-liner jokester from
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the second one on but child's play
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even though this one's a little darker than what we're about
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to jump into and rest of the series could can
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make that transition it could get
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away with that transition if that no no totally because essentially the story
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here while in this first film it is handled very seriously or more seriously
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than the others and a very much the serious tone very much works ultimately
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it's a completely preposterous story of a doll coming to life you know a serial killer,
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putting his soul into this doll, this inanimate object.
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But the fact that it's a bit of a stroke of genius, actually,
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how well they pulled this off.
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Yeah, and Kevin Yeager and the FX team nailed it out of the park. They do an amazing job.
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And then Kevin Yeager would meet his wife. That's right, Catherine Hicks. Catherine, yeah.
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So the movie cost $9 million to make. It made $44 million, so kudos.
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Let's dive into Charles Lee Ray. Yeah.
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As we know, Charles Lee Ray, the name came from three infamous madmen,
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Charles Manson from the Manson Murders, Lee Harvey Oswald from the JFK assassination,
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and James Earl Ray, who assassinated Dr.
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Martin Luther King. I always thought, as well, there was a sort of play on Henry Lee Lucas's name,
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you know, the serial killer, the American serial killer, But I may be wrong,
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No it's what you said No I've read up on that
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what you're saying as well But in my head For many
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years I always thought It was a play on Henry Lee Lucas I would say as well
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before the days of You know the internet Everybody having the internet on their
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phone And IMDB for many years I thought the actress playing the mother Catherine
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Hicks was the very same Actress who played Tina In Nightmare on Elm Street Because she does look like her.
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She looks nothing like her. She does. She really does.
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She looks... Your comparisons to people...
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You've got to be legally blind. No, no, no, no. There is a similarity there.
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There's not. You sit there and you try to like... No, no. Anybody listening
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to this podcast would just want to beat you with a stick right now.
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That's because you all know that it's not her because of the IMDB and the internet.
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But back when I was a kid... No, I knew it right away. I knew right away everyone
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knows her from Star Trek 4 She is actually in Star Trek 4 Yeah, the Voyage Home Yeah,
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that's where we all kind of got introduced to her In my 12 year old,
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13 year old mind I thought that this was Amanda Bice,
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who'd just grown up a bit and was now in Child's Play but I've done similar
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stuff like that over the years especially before the days of the internet,
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You're just a closed No, not at all she does look like her with the hairstyle
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and stuff with the blonde hair she does no I'm going to stick by I'm going to
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stick by 12 year old me sorry.
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Wow wow go ahead we're talking I just let's move on I'm sorry yeah please fill
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up with Jesus Christ let's move on,
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so we got Catherine Hicks Chris Sarandon Alex Vincent Brad Dorff and Dina Minoff,
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very limited cast awesome I love it you've got Chris Rannon,
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who's hot from Tom Holland's Fight Night.
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Very nice to see him. Very sad he didn't return for a second.
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Alex Vincent, a kid actor. Not bad. You know, he's leading this,
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so you've got to give him credit.
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I think for whatever age he was, six or seven at the time, he does a very solid job.
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He does alright. He's a little whiny.
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There's some times where I was rooting for Chuckie. Well, there's one line in
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particular near the end where he goes, this is the and friend.
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You know where he's trying to sell gravitas?
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But you know what I mean? Yeah, but I mean he's a six year old kid so we let him away a bit.
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So I like the beginning. It's a chase sequence. Detective Mike,
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Mike Norris, Chris, is going after Charles Lee Ray.
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He's pretty much a serial killer at this point.
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And it's kind of funny. I've just noticed this and again through the podcast
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eyes, even when Chuckie's to come to come, that are yet to come, you...
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Charles, he raised a whiny little bastard and you see it right when Eddie,
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the getaway van leaves him as he's being chased. Yes.
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And as he gets shot, he's got this whiny tone to him and he tears up a bit.
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And it does show in the other one how childlike his character kind of can be,
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even though he's this brutal killer.
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Well, Brad Dourif, you know, he does that sort of serial killer.
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Psycho sort of role very well, and he's done it multiple times.
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And more seriously, in Exorcist 3, you know, he's a Gemini killer.
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He had a similar role in an episode of The X-Files. So he does that sort of,
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you know, psycho serial killer very well.
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But yes, he is a bit sort of whiny and sort of, I know what you mean.
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Yeah. Yeah, I mean, the whole point is what works with Dourif is he plays emotion well.
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What I mean by that, you got a whiny character who's about to be caught by the
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police, makes him kind of human, I guess you can say, for that brief moment.
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The scene where he's being set on fire and you get to near the end,
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you can hear him. You can hear his pain.
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He sells it. It's just his voice. You know, it's not, you know,
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it's a doll being set on fire, but he sells the doll being on fire because of
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the way, you know, he sells it. He just does. The way he plays it.
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And it's amazing just for such a small little role. He signed off for a three-picture
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deal because I think they thought they had a hit on their hands, which they clearly do.
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But it's amazing. Brad Dorff, one of the finest performances of all time and
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one of the most soul-destroying performances of all time is the movie called
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One Who Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest. Oh, absolutely. Believe in it.
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And his character, Nerds Cratchit, two of the most polar opposite characters in the same film.
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And it is a soul-destroying performance. If you guys horror fans out there who
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like Brad Dorff, you need to check out his original work.
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And then my favorite performance, my favorite performance by Brad Dorff will
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always be the Gemini killer in Legion of Exorcist 3.
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100%. And it's just his voice. Even in Chuck, he's got the ham up.
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He hams up the voice a bit. But in that Legion, he can deepen his voice a bit
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that it's almost, ironically enough, demonic.
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Well, the great thing to prove how great of an actor Brad Dorff is,
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here he's essentially playing the same type of role but with a subtle tweak
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to his performances in that Chucky is tongue in cheek to his performance as
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a little tongue in cheek but then with Exorcist 3 you know what I mean he's full on sinister,
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unbelievable yeah.
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But we move on yeah he's taking the bullet and now he knows he's pretty much
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done for so he's got to transfer his soul to whatever's available obviously it's Chucky though,
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and he promised to get revenge on the people that fucked him like Mike and Eddie and so on.
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I love the mumbo jumbo that he says whenever he's doing the spell,
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you know, give me the power I beg of thee it's just pretty campy a little he-man there,
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yeah, yeah, but even you know the sort of basically the made up mumbo jumbo
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words, I think they're made up anyway I was waiting for them to quote what do
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you call it, the Necrocomicon,
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yes, yes, well yeah He kept screwing up the words.
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Yes. Yes. Yeah. Klaatu barata necktie. Necktie. Yeah. Yeah.
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I do like when we introduced Andy. And Catherine Hicks is, I think,
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very good in this film. Brilliant here.
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Properly, he is playing this dead straight, and she is really convincing here.
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Yeah, and so is Chris Sarandon.
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Yes. And then you got Brad Dorff. So you've got these wonderful actors who are
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really selling their roles.
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And Catherine Hicks, you feel so sorry for her. She's just a working-class single
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mom, and she's trying to get her to kid's birthday stuff, and he ends up getting
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clothes. I mean, who the fuck wants clothes?
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And they're like, fuck off, I don't
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want fucking clothes. But she's being practical, you know what I mean?
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And like you say, she's a struggling young mother, single mother,
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because she's lost her husband.
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Apparently the backstory that isn't revealed but was cut is the father died in a car crash.
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But then apparently one draft of the script was going to reveal that Charles
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Lee Ray was actually the father of Andy.
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I'm glad they didn't go down that route. No, that would have been creepy.
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Yeah. I like the fact that... See, they should have gave her a more little,
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I mean, the movie's not that long. They could have given her a little backstory.
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That would have been all right. Like, even a conversation with Mike the cop,
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she could have said, listen, we don't have to deal with this.
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We already had to deal with tragedy once, and that could have been mentioned.
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And it even makes you for more. You know what I mean?
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Yes. They never get why they cut little stuff like that out.
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I would say, though, that, yeah, she, see the whole sort of,
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especially in the early scenes,
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she is very believable as this struggling young single mother yeah yeah of course.
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And he's very good in it you kind of feel sorry for him when he gets clothes.
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Yeah he is good yeah I'll be like fuck this shit I know a good guy toolbox who
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am I supposed to do with this shit,
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yeah and that's the way kids react to stuff like that you know what I mean you
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don't want stupid clothes when you're a kid you want the latest toy in this case a good guy doll.
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Yeah, there's a scene where something's bothering me where the boss threatens
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her. You got to work late. No, you don't. By law, she doesn't have to work late.
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He threatens to fire her and everything. Well, it's my kid's birthday.
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I'm off the clock. I don't have to work for you.
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Yeah. And she pretty much threatens her, and this is where we get Maggie's death
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because she's going to babysit.
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Well, Maggie- It's like, I'll tell you what, though. That guy bothers me because
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by law, he couldn't get away with that.
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Well, I mean, yeah. I mean, you're sort of in a pecking, but I ain't in a pecking.
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So it didn't bother me that much I do have to
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sort of set it up but I was more distracted by
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the fact that the mate Maggie she is
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basically the go to stereotypical 80s
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best friend to the female lead you know what I mean I was thinking of you know
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Sarah Connor's mate in the original Terminator all these types of 80s films
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always seem to have that had a female lead their best friend was always a bit
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quirky and you know a bit opinionated and inevitably end up getting bumped off, you know.
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But, you know, she works. She's decent in the role as well.
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Yeah, she works. And then when she does get it, I do love her death.
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It's cool. She's shut out the window and then you see the body slam in the car.
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The two best scenes for me are her death scene and also the scene shortly after
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where basically Andy's mum threatens Chucky.
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This is when Chucky properly comes to life for the first time.
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You go, you fucking stupid bitch.
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You know, that sort of thing. They're my two favorite scenes, actually, of the film.
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Well, mine's the, the burning.
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Right. So, so you got these little good guy shoes, then they're in the,
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what do they call it, the fucking flower. Yes.
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Right now, right away, Detective Mike there, he thinks, you know,
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who else is going to be here? The kid's shoes.
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Yeah. You know, so he checks his kid's shoes and.
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And I like the fact they bring back Alex Vincent, the actual actor in future series.
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Yes, absolutely. Because, you know, I was always curious what he looks like.
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I like when they do that. They don't do it much anymore.
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Like Miko Hughes. I've never seen him much anymore.
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But he wasn't really in a franchise like Chalice Play.
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No, like Pet Sematary and Kindergarten Cop. You know? Yeah.
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Alex Vincent, he's done well. You know what I mean? He does the conventions a lot as well.
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And I think he's a big fan favorite, you know, at the conventions and stuff,
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and he's always stayed loyal to the series.
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Maybe he hasn't been offered quite as many roles since, but good on him.
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You know what I mean? He's still stayed loyal to it and to the fans.
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Yeah, I know. He's doing it for himself.
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And so after her friend gets chucked out a window, the next day she brings the kid to school.
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You really don't think you can have a day off after that?
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After witnessing a murder? Yeah. Do you think maybe give him a day off? Would that be cool?
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Yeah, but to be fair, Chucky had to get him to school so that Chucky could go
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and get his getaway driver. This is my favorite part.
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The mom drops him off, hugs and kisses. He then sneaks out right away,
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takes the L train in Chicago through the worst part of Chicago you can go to
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while carrying a doll bigger than him.
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And I do love when you finally get a POV shot at Chucky because he's telling
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him to bring him to Eddie's house.
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Really good shot, actually. I do like the POV of Chucky. It's this little short camera. Yeah, yeah.
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It's running across the street. See, up until Chucky's actually revealed as
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being properly alive, there's some great tension played with,
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you know, the glimpses of Chucky running in the background and stuff,
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in the apartment and stuff.
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It's really well set up. Well, I think they're just like...
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We knew it wasn't Andy, but the reason I don't think they really showed you
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anything was because they wanted a hint that maybe we're fooling you.
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Maybe Andy is the one doing it.
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Yeah, well, exactly. Nobody knew at the time that this was a franchise and Chucky
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was going to be a runaway star.
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This was a one-off. Well, I know there was a three-pitcher deal,
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but essentially, for all intents and purposes, actually, I didn't know there
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was a three-pitcher deal until you said earlier, but for all intents and purposes,
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this is a one-off horror film.
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Well, I think with Brad Dorff, they always give the lead a three-picture deal,
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especially in the mid-'80s where all these horror films have sequels flying out.
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So they had to make sure they had him locked.
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So I don't think it was anything like you'd get now, you know what I mean, financially.
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But yeah, I do like he's his buddy.
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Eddie is walking around the house. He's hearing something. And he had a little pitter-patter of feet.
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And then you see this little hand. this is when he knows on Andy his little
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hand doll hand turning on the gas.
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Nice explosion really yeah and really good effective I mean all of the deaths in here are all pretty,
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effective in fact I know I said the one you know throwing the babysitter out
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the window was my favourite scene along with the mother you know finding out
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about Chucky but another one of my favourite scenes is where Chucky goes to visit Dr.
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Death yeah the voodoo the voodoo guy yeah that's my point I mean,
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all the tests are decent. They're all different too.
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Yes. They don't kind of, you know, here it comes with the knife.
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And there's a point to them? So there is, you want to make it?
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So after the explosion, the detective has him in custody.
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And this is a good scene. There's a nice scene where the kid is sitting in a
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little, not really an interrogation room, just a regular room,
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and the cops trying to get- Sort of is, though.
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And some of the cops trying to get information out of him.
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And he insists that it was the doll who did it, Chucky. And there's a shot where
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Mike, again, Chris Ren, and this goes to the acting, is looking up at the ceiling
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like, I don't want to hear this because this poor kid is delusional. Yeah.
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And he feels right there, he feels sorry for him.
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And you can see that the way he sells it because Mike also mentions it again
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to her, to the mom going, listen, I was in that room. I didn't like what I was hearing.
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Yes. So he has her back, but at the same time his hands are tied.
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What the fuck is he supposed to do? And that's a great little character arc for him.
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Yeah. also as well I would say as well special shout out to his cynical partner
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you know the guy with the 80's moustache oh you mean Nasratu yeah.
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And he's very much like what the fuck you know talking dolls you know give me
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a break you know I was totally on his side and Chris Sarandon's actually you
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know because in reality if someone if some screaming mother or some kid came
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to you and said well actually it wasn't us that did the murders. It was the kid's doll.
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And he, like you say, he sells it. You know, this sort of, oh,
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here we go again, not this shit type attitude, you know? Yeah.
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So, when the mother, he's got to stay overnight, the kid. Yes.
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In the really creepy kid's asylum. Yeah, I mean, I know this was the 80s,
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but it feels more like the Victorian asylum or something, you know?
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For kids. It's pretty harsh. One who flew to cuckoo's nest for kids.
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Yeah, And also the guy from the Incredible Hulk TV series. He's the doctor,
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the guy with the glasses.
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Who would he play in the Hulk? He was like, I think he was like David Banner's
26:22
mate. He's in all the episodes.
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I mean, I haven't seen it in many years. I don't remember the Hulk.
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But again, your pointless lookalikes and your pointless people extra number two. Thank you for that.
26:35
Don't mention it. So the best part, one of my favorite parts is when she's home by herself.
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And the Chucky doll won't shut up. And she's like, shut the fuck up, you little bastard.
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And she's going to chuck out the box and the batteries come out of the box. It's a good scene.
26:52
And she walks over to the Chucky doll very slowly.
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And opens up the back and there's no batteries in it. That is such a good reveal. It's so fun. Yep.
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And also, a short, you know, following this, she then, she has enough and she
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threatens to, this is the one I was referring to earlier, where she threatens to burn the doll.
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Speak, you little shit, you little bastard. Yeah.
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She goes, you filthy slut, I don't teach you to fuck with me.
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Yeah, and that's whenever Chuckie like properly, fully reveals,
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you know what I mean? You stupid fucking bitch.
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With the wee sort of angry face and stuff. It's in equal parts really funny,
27:30
but also pretty creepy and terrifying as well. Yeah. Really well done.
27:34
This is where the film, and I'm shocked if anyone protests Chucky,
27:38
because come on. I mean. Yeah, exactly.
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I can see it was an actual child, you know, set out parts and,
27:46
you know, but it's not, it's a fucking doll.
27:49
How do you get offended by something like this? Anyone could
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take any of the Chucky film series is beyond me but we will
27:54
get to the big controversies whenever we're doing child's play
27:57
three the big controversies here in the uk with child's play
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three but we'll get to those but yes i agree
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how anyone could yes it's foul moved but
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it's completely over the top and how anyone could in any way take chucky or
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the film series overall seriously is you know they obviously haven't watched
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it for a start no no they did they just heard about it yeah exactly so i another
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good scene is the car fight scene between Mike and Chucky.
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And he's got him by the neck, obviously, with a seatbelt, whatever he's got going around his neck.
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And he uses the cigarette burn, and he burns his face.
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And this is when Chucky starts to realize, shit, why did I feel that?
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Because at this point, he didn't realize he can't feel pain.
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He thought he was invincible, technically, at this point.
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But he's now finding out when he goes to Dr. Death, when he finds out that,
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no, you have to transfer quickly or you'll be stuck in that body and it becomes human.
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Yes, exactly. And that's why he's starting to feel pain and that's why he gets the gunshot.
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Now, this whole chase scene is so well done. And then you've got the knife going underneath the seat.
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And you're like, geez, any guy can feel that.
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Oh, totally. He starts speeding up the car on him. The car obviously crashes.
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And this is where Chucky still feels he's kind of invincible. and
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then there's a great slow-mo shot where he suits where Mike
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shoots him and he flies back and he
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runs and now he panics because he doesn't realize oh
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shit why am I feeling pain yeah exactly and I love those claustrophobic scenes
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where he's in the car Mike's in the car but it's basically turned upside down
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he's got a seatbelt and stuff on he's kind of struggling to get out but yet
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Chucky's running around the car and stuff again brilliantly effectively directed and that's not.
29:47
Forget about the animatronics are incredible.
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Oh great, yeah. And even the little people, the dwarfs, or I don't want to call
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them now, little people that they put in the costume work well.
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Apparently, do you know who played Chucky in some of the scenes? Who?
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Andy Barclay's younger sister in real life. Oh really? Yeah, yeah. There you go.
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They used a mix of basically puppeteering, animatronics, and also little people
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and actual children. Yeah.
30:25
I remember the famous story in Halloween, the original, where Michael Myers
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got the mask on, and we see the point of view of Michael Myers,
30:34
he's going to grab the knife. Yeah.
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That knife was actually Deborah Hill's hand.
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The producer. Right, because obviously the child actor. Deborah Hill was 20-something,
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but she was very So it looks like she had a little kid's hand.
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So they used her hand to do that.
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But it's very clever how they can do that kind of stuff and how they adapt to
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it and how they can, what do we, you know, and a lot of it's on the cuff.
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They got to, what do we do when you got to film the shot?
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They'll go, Hey, you over here, you got a small hand. Come over here. You know, that's.
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Exactly. Yeah. A hundred percent. And it works. We'll certainly hear it those
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anyway. You know? Exactly.
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The voodoo guy, he gets it. Poor bastard. I love him. He's great. Poor bastard. Yeah.
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You are an abomination.
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Yeah. He gets his legs all broken as well with the voodoo doll. Yeah.
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That was good. And the voodoo guy, the voodoo guy is quite good at it because
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he sells it quite, quite well because he knows he's dead.
31:34
And especially when he has the voodoo doll in his hand, it's a nice little.
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Yeah. Your own dojo. Chuckie says. Yeah.
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Yeah. Yeah, it's ironic death he gets, I guess. So-
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There's a shot where you see little Chucky running up the stairs to the kids'
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asylum because he finds out that he needs Alex's body because he's the first
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one he opened up to about who he really is.
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So that's the only person he can transfer his soul to.
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And this is the famous shot where Tom Holland kept yelling at him,
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I need you to cry, kid. His parents were on the set at the time.
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And he whispers something in his ear, something horrible about your parents
32:15
are dead or something like that. And he admits to doing this.
32:18
And he did a William freaking on a child and
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the kid started crying and that shot you see
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him crying screaming for help and nobody
32:28
was coming to help him because Chucky's coming to get him no one believes him and
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he starts crying and Tom Holland actually went up to the parents and said I'm
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sorry about that but I hadn't and she was no it's for his craft like Jesus it
32:41
totally works because you feel so sorry for this kid in this scene because the tears are real.
32:51
You know, you see movies like Smile. We talk about Smile 2, Prey Smile 2,
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or even the original Smile where
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both people are put in a situation where nobody's going to believe them.
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You've got the ex-druggy and then you've got the therapist, mental therapist,
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who seems like she's having a breakdown.
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No one's going to believe either of these people and their situation.
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And Andy's actually the exact same thing. and now so's the mother.
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And quite frankly, so's the mother. It's even worse for Andy because nobody
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believes kids anyway. And he's telling the truth here.
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So the final showdown is the best part of the film.
33:31
It closes well. It's paced well. It's got some good banter as you mentioned with the partner.
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It's just I love the fact when she throws him behind in the fire and she's going
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to set it on fire and she's got to be on the cage,
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and obviously Andy lights the match and sets him on fire and that whole effect, whether it obviously,
33:59
it's probably more mechanical but there's probably a stunt double and some camera
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technique they'd used but again,
34:06
Brad Dorff selling it, the pain that he is going through and even if you think
34:10
about it it's melted plastic Well, human flesh as well, because he's turned into human as well.
34:16
So it's a mixture of plastic and human flesh.
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But even before they actually light the match, you know, you can see him like,
34:23
you know, desperate, like trying to escape and stuff. It works really well.
34:27
Yeah. And each time you see him, he's weaker because he's got the bullet wound
34:31
now. His face is starting. He's taking hits.
34:34
Whether it's with baseball bats and so forth. So he's not this invincible being
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in his mind that he thought he was. He's more vulnerable.
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But the voodoo guy, before he dies, tells him you have to shoot him in the heart. His last breath.
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So after they chop off his head, his arm, his leg, he's still coming after him.
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And that's where the partner gets grabbed by the throat.
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And when Mike shoots him, it's the best.
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It's a great shot because when he shoots him in the heart, you can see the blood
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and the heart piece and the muscle fly back in the back of the wall.
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And that shows that he's human.
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You saw a little blood here and there but until you saw him shoot the heart
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that's where you know this thing was human. It's a really nice touch. Yeah.
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And it's an important detail actually. Plus continuity again.
35:25
Alright. Yeah, so that's the end of Child's Play. Child's Play was a big hit.
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Of course we know it's a horror standard. They come up with a sequel.
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Tom Holland was not invited back. Some kind of feud there as we previously just discussed.
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This time, the writers are taking over. John Lafayette who kind of fine-tuned
35:45
the script is now director and Tom Machini is full story band.
35:50
And they wanted Andy by, they decided they wanted Andy by himself.
35:55
Now, they interviewed during a documentary Catherine Hicks and she was not happy.
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She didn't mind not coming back, but she did not like the fact that she was
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thrown into a mental institution,
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because she, see the whole film is that
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she's trying to prove her sanity and prove her kid's sanity and they
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did prove that so they made
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like a one nine fix and that wasn't fair to their character and i got her point
36:19
100 although i would say at the end of child's play one whenever mike's partner
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eventually realizes that the doll is alive you know mike says to him now do
36:31
you believe me he turns around and goes, yeah, but who's going to believe me?
36:35
So I can accept that because, let's face it, in real life if somebody fucking,
36:41
a grown adult claimed that a doll was responsible for a series of murders.
36:45
You keep saying that as an excuse, but that's still not keeping true to what
36:50
the first one was trying to do.
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You're, you got these, I mean you've got three credible witnesses,
36:57
two of them are cops and you're doing the first film of Disjustice and the funny
37:01
thing us as the same writers.
37:03
So what you're doing here is you're pretty much wiping out everything that Catherine
37:07
Hicks, Chris Sarandon did.
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And with these bad one-line fixes, they could have said something different.
37:15
It didn't make any sense why you just institutionalized it like that.
37:19
And I don't think that's fair.
37:21
I really don't. And Catherine Hicks is completely, completely right.
37:24
We just went, we just discussed a second ago, well, about how her performance
37:28
and she's got to sell that she's not crazy and blah, blah, blah.
37:32
And now you just, at the end, that's thrown out by just throwing it under an institution.
37:37
Well, in terms of the character, I can understand that happening to the character.
37:42
But I would say that I would have liked Catherine Hicks to come back because
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she's basically so good in the first one.
37:49
And she deserved to come back.
37:51
I've read up on stuff where it says that essentially the writers just wanted
37:55
to go in a different direction. But just, aren't they? I don't know.
37:58
Obviously, I wasn't there.
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And I don't know exactly what went on. but yes I would very much have liked
38:03
to have seen Catherine Hex back because she's very very good in the first one
38:08
she was on the set because she married Kevin Yeager yes because her husband,
38:12
she was pregnant at the time of the making of the second one so this one we
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got Andy back Alex Vincent we got Jenny Agotter plays Joanne we got Garrett
38:21
Graham who plays Phil Simpson we got Christine Elise as Kylie Brad Dorff of
38:25
course is back and of course we got Mrs.
38:27
Kettlewell which is a wonderful character and I always like to see we've talked
38:31
to her a few times, Grace Briskey as Grace Poole.
38:35
Yes, Laura Palmer's mother from Twin Peaks. Sure, we go that one if you'd like.
38:40
Jenny O'Gutter, who we just talked about recently with Darkman,
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she's famous for, obviously, American Wealth of London.
38:47
She said this was the worst film she's ever been on.
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And she says it was the worst experience she's ever been on.
38:53
And she said, and I can see this, this movie is 87 minutes long and like 30
38:59
minutes of it's in a factory.
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They said they cut so many scenes that she was really proud of and I never get
39:05
that with horror films why cut some decent scenes to give the actors a little
39:08
you know a little meat on the bone why just you know even her death is off screen
39:14
so I understand why she'd be a little upset exactly.
39:18
Yeah, and I would say as well, you know, what we do get here with her,
39:22
overall, she is sadly wasted because she can act.
39:27
And you know what I mean? She has what it takes. And she's just a little bit
39:33
more than a supporting character here, which is sad to see.
39:36
I would have liked to have seen so much more of her in this, essentially.
39:42
And, you know, yeah, I sort of agree with her. I think she's right.
39:46
I think she has been badly missed here.
39:49
I got her back on that one. Her and Catherine Hex are both completely right. I remember Chris ran in.
39:53
Yes. He goes, they did have a scene with me.
39:57
They were going to have a scene with me, but then they decided not to do it.
40:00
And I was like, I'm cool. I got to survive a horror film. I'm all right.
40:03
And so he was all right with it. I would have liked to have seen him back as well. Yeah.
40:08
It would have been nice to have a cameo at the very end to help them.
40:11
Yes. Or something. Yeah. Like have a mysterious stranger following them.
40:15
He was the mysterious stranger or something or even like they did with Maniac
40:20
Cop and Maniac Cop 2 why are you comparing these two well it's the same era.
40:26
One's a piece of shit and these are pretty good and Maniac Cop,
40:31
Bruce Campbell is the star and then they bring him back for the second one to
40:34
kill him off in the first scene so at least he came back for the sequel that
40:38
will be being bumped off pretty quick spoiler alert.
40:43
We'll get to those. I do like the opening sequence. Pretty much it's a data dump.
40:46
But I do like the fact that I don't know why the Chucky doll isn't in the evidence
40:50
room, but it's not. Oh, that's explained?
40:54
Yeah. That's a kind of. The cops don't want anything to do with it.
40:58
So the big toy manufacturer gets the doll back. That's how they explain it. Give me a break.
41:03
It's a data dump. Yes. But I do like how they show they clean it up.
41:07
It's scraping the burnt rubber. and he just got the shell, the metal shell there.
41:13
And I think it's kind of neat how they saw the making of the doll.
41:16
I do think that's kind of cool. Yeah.
41:18
And to have to bring Chucky back, so there's always going to be some sort of
41:22
convoluted bullshit reason.
41:24
So it sort of works in terms of convoluted bullshit reasons to bring the killer back from the dead.
41:30
Yeah, the two executives are like, yeah, the tabloids are hurting our business
41:33
and the police don't believe the mom. I think she's in a psych ward somewhere.
41:37
And the police just gave us the doll. So let's just rebuild it.
41:42
Why? Why not just throw it away?
41:44
Yeah, exactly. Yeah, so they rebuild the doll. Why? I don't get why they're rebuilding it.
41:49
Because I have to bring Chucky back or else the film would only be five minutes.
41:53
Oh my God. Again, it's a bullshit excuse. And they're all pretty obnoxious and unlikable as well.
41:58
It's like when his assistant, you know who Chucky sort of kidnaps very soon,
42:02
I'm saying, yeah, mom, what do you want me to do with the doll?
42:04
And your man goes, stick it up your ass. That's right, because they're putting
42:08
the eye thing in. And you know those things are coming back.
42:13
They're putting the eyes in, and the electrical surge brings back Chucky.
42:18
Give me a fucking bite. Heart convenient. That's stupid.
42:21
But I'm going with it. Yeah. I'll tell you what. This is a dumbed-down version of what we just watched.
42:27
That's exactly what this is. But I don't care. I'm going with it. I don't care. Yeah.
42:31
Well I mean yeah well I mean we'll get to it in our overall wrap up but yeah
42:37
I do have other issues with it but I would agree that it is very much it's like child's play,
42:43
child's play the film light you know it's just for me it's just a lot of could
42:49
be down to the editing as well in fact going by what Jania Gutter said I think
42:52
a lot of it is to do with the editing just plays off as just a bunch of set pieces and scenes,
42:58
the finale is quite good actually and actually that opening that we've just talk about?
43:02
Yeah, the finale's not bad, but it gets a little long. We'll talk about it.
43:06
But so we meet the Simpsons and Kylie and... Don't!
43:11
Yep. I do love... Andy, this is your room and he's got all these fucking brand
43:15
new toys and shit. I'm like, cool.
43:17
Then you open up the closet and this big good guy doll falls on him.
43:21
You know what that reminded me of? I just remember Ricky, Billy,
43:24
whoever's fucking name is from Santa. Silent Night. I was just about to say the same thing.
43:29
Punished. I was just about to say the exact same thing.
43:33
That's what it reminded me of with Billy in Silent Night, Deadly Night,
43:36
where he's had all this traumatic shit going on with Santa basically murdering his mother.
43:42
And they came in to get him a job as a department store Santa.
43:46
This is what this reminded me of.
43:48
They banned, or basically, I don't know if they bought it for Andy,
43:51
but they basically did it all there. No, no, she said, I forgot that was there.
43:54
Yeah, but it isn't Chucky, it's Tommy. It's Tommy, that's right.
43:58
So when Chucky takes the plastic head over one of the executives,
44:03
he finds out where Andy went because the executive has all the paperwork.
44:09
Yeah, how convenient. All the police reports and everything.
44:14
Yes, exactly. Then Chucky, not only that, Chucky then uses his very 80s sort
44:19
of car phone to ring basically the foster headquarters,
44:25
with Laura Palmer's mother from Twin Peaks, and I mean he just said yeah this
44:30
is Andy's Uncle Charles yeah,
44:33
Is there no security to go through? Especially a kid that's went through so
44:37
much traumatic shit that Andy Partey's went through.
44:41
Why aren't you with Andy then if you're his uncle? Why do I have custody of him?
44:46
This could be anyone. You know what I mean? This is a child who was stalked by a killer.
44:51
I have to admit, the one thing the film has for it, despite its massive plot
44:57
holes and plot conveniences, this is fucking fast-paced. It doesn't stop.
45:03
Yeah, well, I mean, like you said, it's only like 87 minutes or whatever,
45:07
and yeah, it does go back pretty quick.
45:11
So it does. I would say, you know, it does, you know, especially with the scenes
45:16
coming up here with the teacher and stuff, there is a lack of tension and urgency. Yeah.
45:21
It is very predictable. The deaths are predictable, and they seem just shoot
45:26
in, shoehorn in, as they say.
45:28
Yeah like like i said just a series of set
45:31
pieces and scenes sort of you know that
45:34
that are good ideas in and of themselves but in terms
45:37
of like i like a story a linear story there's no real tension built or you know
45:43
urgency and a full of dipshit characters as well like the the fucking foster
45:47
sister to andy i do like the the scene where chucky finally shows up and he's
45:53
you just they just show it and he's in the bottom of the stairs,
45:57
and that's where Chucky sees Tommy the fake you know the other good guy doll,
46:02
and he beats the shit out of it and he buries it.
46:07
Why would why would he go to all the hassle of getting his wee toy spade and
46:11
burying it when he can just throw it out of the way somewhere I mean well it's
46:15
obviously so it will be discovered later on I love the next day where,
46:19
you know one of those relics that the mom has it gets broken The ornament, yes.
46:25
Yeah, they're all being blamed. And the next shot, Kylie smoking in the washing
46:31
machine. Then she hands him the smoke. Yeah.
46:34
You would never see this now in cinema. It was the 80s, man. You know what I mean?
46:39
It was the 80s. Kids smoke. And he tries to puff. He tries to puff. Yeah.
46:43
That's awesome. Yeah. Oh, yeah, yeah. Kids, you know, seven-year-old kids smoked
46:47
tea and smoked in films still back then. You know?
46:51
Yeah, but yeah, you would never in a million years. You don't even,
46:53
you don't even, you aren't even allowed to see adults smoking in the bulk of films now.
46:58
Never mind six year old kids.
47:01
Yeah. You know? Yeah.
47:04
The scene where Andy decides to go down and talk to the good guy doll,
47:10
which is no longer Tommy. It's actually Chucky.
47:12
Yes. And he goes, he just stares at it.
47:17
And the dog goes, hi, I'm yes. Tommy. He forgot his name.
47:23
That's actually a really, that's actually probably the best line.
47:26
It is the best line. He's almost about to say Chucky and he's paused. Oh, Tommy. Yeah.
47:32
But they refer to it again too when they're going to chase after Andy with Kylie
47:38
and Chucky in the car and the cop goes, what's your name?
47:41
And he just turns to him, Chucky. Yes, that's right.
47:46
It's a good moment. It does have some decent moments, but it's not as well.
47:51
You know what the truth is? John Lafayette's a newer director.
47:54
You needed Tom Holland behind the lens here to bring us a little more,
48:00
I guess you can say class and I hate saying it, a little more class to this.
48:06
You actually take that, you do have class with some good actors,
48:09
Garrett Graham who I like from The Phantom of Paradise and those cars.
48:12
I like Jenny O'Gotta as we talked about. The other ones are up and coming.
48:16
I like Grayson Briskey who's misused in this.
48:18
So you do have good actors in there peppered in.
48:21
You're just not utilizing them properly and it's just,
48:26
a bunch of scenes put together yeah and and the scenes they're fun but man what
48:33
we just came from this could have been a lot better,
48:35
yeah there needed to be more of a sort of coherency in terms of the sort of
48:41
dramatic tension like we're saying it is just a bunch of scenes yes there is
48:45
some funny stuff and some enjoyable stuff but it doesn't really overall you know as a sort of.
48:54
Part of the original and it's just not pulled off and
48:56
i think that's just down to not the writing but the direction actually
48:59
yeah and that's john laffia god
49:02
rest his soul he passed away quite young but yes i don't
49:05
think the director he was really uh director i think he ended up directing man's
49:09
best friend with lance hendrickson about a killer dog but i don't know then
49:13
phil gets it you know falls down the stairs breaks his neck and there's andy
49:17
in the middle of everything the mother starts losing the plot and then he killed
49:21
jenny a gutter on the sidelines you don't and you give her her death.
49:24
Now, if I was in a slasher film and I'm not being killed on scene,
49:28
on the set, or if I'm not going to be seen in my death, I'm going to be pissed.
49:32
Especially someone who can actually act and someone with the class of Jenny
49:36
at Goddard. I mean, she should have been the main star here.
49:38
Even the smaller parts he gave us, it would have been nice to see a scene where
49:43
she's defending herself and you feel sorry for her because she just slashed her husband.
49:49
Mom's ornament is crushed. trying to take care of this kid.
49:53
She's actually very nice to him, even though he's kind of causing a ruckus,
49:57
even though it's not his fault.
49:59
But if you gave her some kind of a fight between her and Chucky and she's getting
50:03
slaughtered, give us that at least.
50:06
Jenny Agutter should have been the main character here, without a doubt,
50:10
carrying the film, and she could no doubt have carried it, you know,
50:14
because she has a real touch of class about her, always has done.
50:16
She is sadly, sadly wasted here. Yeah.
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Yeah. And then you got the Miss Kettle Death. Yeah, the teacher. Which-
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is kind of just kind of i mean he beats you with a ruler that's so fucking stupid
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how many beatings do you have to beat somebody with to kill him with a ruler
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i know plus the fact that chucky is like two foot tall and could you not have
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defended herself better at least with some of the other chucky deaths she just
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lies there why don't you get up and kick it.
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Yeah exactly exactly just boot her out of the way i do quite like chucky in
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this scene she's actually very good in Donnie Dargo as you know this sort of
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you know this sort of member of the sort of leader of the Perks.
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Well no she's yeah she's a character actor she's been around for years she's
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done hundreds of films she was good in Speed she's good in Devil's Advocate
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she plays Keanu Reeves' mom she always plays. She plays similar types of characters.
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She does she always plays someone who's very boisterous yes.
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But she's good she's no I mean like the actors are there to do their
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job I just thought the death was kind of stupid it was
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just to get I don't know I just thought it was for another death
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basically yeah yeah because they were maybe
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thinking oh the audience will maybe be getting a bit bored now we
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need to throw in another death yeah let's do the teacher over you know even
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though it's never referenced again at all for the rest of the film although
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things do happen here in a small time frame like the first film actually was
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that the events of this film happen over a short time period like a couple of
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days just like the original Yeah,
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I think three days or something like that. Yeah, something like that.
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So when Phil breaks his neck, the poor fucker is thrown back into the Institute. Yes, sir.
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And Kylie's on the swing and conveniently that's where he buried the body of
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the other Tommy, of the real Tommy.
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And she's like, oh my God.
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And then that's where we find Jenny Agutter's dead.
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So Kylie's now, this should have been reversed.
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Kylie should have been a good, Kylie could have been a good character like she
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is now, always very accommodating to Andy, but she should have been killed off
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with more of a struggle. and a gutter sees her dead, sees the doll.
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She puts the pieces together. I just put this child back in asylum.
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He shouldn't be there. I'm going to get him out. That would have made more sense.
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Yeah. And then, yes, exactly. Well, yeah, I totally agree.
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Because, yeah, instead we get just Jenny a gutter basically already dead after
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being killed, but we don't see the death on screen.
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It's almost like she says, I want off the set. You're rewriting everything.
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Kill me now and make me off camera. That's what she probably said. Yeah, possibly.
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Possibly. Well, I do like the banter. So she's driving Kylie,
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and she's got a race to get to the asylum, which is very easy to get into.
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And I just love the line where he's like, she's being a smartass to him,
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and he finally turns to her, shut up and drive, bitch, before I kick your fucking teeth in.
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Yeah. No, it's a horrible line to say to anybody, especially a woman,
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but come on, it's Chucky.
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It's Chucky. But it's not real. Yeah, exactly. It's Chucky.
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You would be disappointed if Chucky wasn't foul-mouthed and really abusive, you know.
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I don't want the polite Chucky, trust me. Yeah.
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Yeah. Then they end up in the toy factory. This scene could have worked.
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I mean, it works to certain... I like the assembly line thing,
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but first of all, there's no workers here watching the assembly line, but one guy?
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I was just about to say that, actually. The fact that, basically,
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this is a factory but with no workers I know it's a night shift but just one
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guy that's not the way factories work no assembly line would be moving right now,
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you have to have checkers and it's quick and here's the best part I love how
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now obviously we're having fun it's kind of like a fun house it really isn't
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it they have to go through all these assembly lines where they could be gouged
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or ripped apart because that's the only way they can get to an exit,
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so this whole factory the only way to get to an exit door,
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is through an assembly line yeah the whole factory is basically like a fun for
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a ride essentially i mean it's
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very colorful and all as well and you know it's full of children's toys,
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suspiciously there's no workers there well apart from one who gets bumped off
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and actually not a bad scene you know with his eyes it's quite a good death
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but or he gets chucky eyes put in his own eyes but yeah it's all a bit convoluted
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but it's not bad the hot rubber it's entertaining you know what this is.
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The hot robber scene is pretty good.
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Again, he sells it with him screaming in pain. Yes. But.
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What I found out about this film is it's not as fun and thrilling as the original
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was. The other one is also compelling.
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Yes. Just how are they going to get out of this? But what I felt this was,
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was almost like a kid's version of what we just watched.
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Yes, it does. It's, you know, as we discussed,
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there are some good things here, including sort of some excellent actors that,
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you know, if it hadn't been used right,
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could have really elevated it into something just as tense and as good as the
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original but instead it becomes a bit of a nonsensical run around when you really examine it.
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I can sort of overlook things like plot holes and plot conveniences with the
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Chucky film but it's lacking overall, I think, and it actually becomes quite forgettable.
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In fact, I saw this whenever it was first released on video and I could remember
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very little about it whereas I could remember practically all of the original,
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you know from watching it as a kid to watching it as an adult yeah I remembered
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most of it because I saw it a few times I mean I shouldn't like it but because
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it's still in vain of the original,
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minus the character arcs story.
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And some other elements that made the first one, I guess you could say credible.
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The first one is very credible and warrants a sequel this one takes away what
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made the first one credible now they keep true I always said that the sequel,
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if you copy and paste one and two together you play it with one film and it
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works it works it does work like that it can work as one film so it gets a pass
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from me on that it is entertaining Brad Dorff is the best thing in it period.
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But yeah seeing it now it just It needed that serious tone to it,
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especially dealing with a child who just lost his father,
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now his mother, and now he's in a stranger's house. He seems pretty okay with it.
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So we needed a little more. Give us five, 10 more minutes with Jenny Agutter
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and him dealing with that. Yeah.
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It feels like sequel by numbers. Yeah. And rushed.
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Yes. so rushed in every way actually in terms of the whole production of it
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and the choppy editing and stuff and whatever was going on with Jenny Goddard,
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yeah it does feel too generic alright guys that's a wrap up for Chalice Play
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