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Buccaneers vs Cowboys - TNF Showdown Shippers | NFL Week 5 | DFS Picks, Plays & Process · Daily Fantasy Sports by Ship It Nation

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  Speaker 1: All systems go.
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  Speaker 2: Clear for liftoff.
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  Speaker 3: What's up, everyone? Tyler Tamerlene here, a.k.a. Toe Tagging Tambo.
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  Speaker 3: Back for another edition of Thursday Night Football Showdown Shippers
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  Speaker 3: here on the Ship It Nation YouTube station. We've got
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  Speaker 3: week five, Tampa Bay at Dallas. Got hoop, got title.
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  Speaker 3: I'm back in the booth. Better than I was feeling
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  Speaker 3: last week, so I appreciate everybody that reached out. But
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  Speaker 3: we're going to break this game down as usual. We'll
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  Speaker 3: get to the captains, the captain ownership, position by position,
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  Speaker 3: roster construction, how you can handle the slate, a little
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  Speaker 3: bit of fan duel at the end, and more hoop.
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  Speaker 3: Bring you in first. So man, another week, week five begins.
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  Speaker 3: We got the game.
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  Speaker 1: Glad to have you back, man. Glad to have you
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  Speaker 1: back in the saddle. You don't realize how valuable somebody
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  Speaker 1: is until you got to get into that hosting booth.
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  Speaker 1: And I mean, I always value, you know, you know,
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  Speaker 1: I value, but hosting is no joke, man. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: you got to give you credit because you do a
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  Speaker 1: hell of a job hosting these shows, always keeping the
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  Speaker 1: conversation going, good transition. It's not easy to do. People
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  Speaker 1: do not understand how difficult it is to consistently host
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  Speaker 1: shows at a high level. And you're definitely one.
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  Speaker 2: Of the best.
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  Speaker 1: So glad to have you back. Appreciate it. So I
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  Speaker 1: don't have to host. And we have a good game.
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  Speaker 1: Got my Cowboys going tonight. Well, not my Cowboys, I guess.
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  Speaker 1: But the Cowboys going tonight.
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  Speaker 2: Big total.
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  Speaker 1: Big spread. Yeah. And it should be a good game.
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  Speaker 1: So excited to break it down with you guys.
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  Speaker 3: Your jersey says otherwise, though. You did get the here
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  Speaker 3: we go on. We got the deck ready to rock
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  Speaker 3: and roll.
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  Speaker 1: That's just because he was printing money for us. Was
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  Speaker 1: that two seasons ago? I can't remember if it was
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  Speaker 1: two or three. It was just a free printer. Just
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  Speaker 1: two years ago.
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  Speaker 3: Quarter milli week for yourself amongst you know another half
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  Speaker 3: milli for the community that week that was the craziest
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  Speaker 3: DAC week ever but title.
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  Speaker 1: Season really because we were ahead of the curve on
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  Speaker 1: it like we were we were beating that drum all
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  Speaker 1: season long these guys are going to continue to keep
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  Speaker 1: their foot on the gas it doesn't matter if they're
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  Speaker 1: up by three touchdowns four touchdowns they're just going to
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  Speaker 1: keep going and it was at least three or four
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  Speaker 1: weeks I think over the course of the season where
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  Speaker 1: it paid off so maybe we get a little bit
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  Speaker 1: of that tonight but I mean limited these are main
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  Speaker 1: slates not showdown tonight limited options so it won't be
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  Speaker 1: as a unique, I mean, Dak was like 5% of
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  Speaker 1: them when we were playing them that season, I remember.
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  Speaker 3: He won't be that alone tonight. We'll get to that
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  Speaker 3: in a second.
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  Speaker 1: We'll get to the captain.
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  Speaker 3: You said main slate there for a second. I unfortunately
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  Speaker 3: had to miss the Monday festivities, and it was a
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  Speaker 3: close call for your boy over there last week. It
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  Speaker 3: was a nice run. But, Tidal, what happened to the
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  Speaker 3: Rasheed Rice bet? Because Parker Washington, I told everybody, this
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  Speaker 3: guy don't put up no 20-point games, and then gone.
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  Speaker 3: And he had the worst game, but then didn't Rice
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  Speaker 3: get injured like before? Still, you didn't get it done?
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  Speaker 1: How did that happen?
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  Speaker 3: How did that work out?
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  Speaker 2: I've been waiting for this to come up. You've won, right?
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  Speaker 3: I won.
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  Speaker 1: We covered it. We covered it on Thursday. I thought
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  Speaker 1: we– or on Monday. I thought we agreed that it's
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  Speaker 1: like the DraftKings fan duel policy where if someone– the
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  Speaker 1: early exit insurance– Well.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, all I'll say is we didn't agree on anything.
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  Speaker 4: Hoop talked to himself, and I didn't say anything back.
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  Speaker 4: But I'm not saying anything. This is on Hoop. All
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  Speaker 4: I'll say is I would have wore it.
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  Speaker 2: That's all I'll say.
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  Speaker 3: I know.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: It's okay though. We got our early eggs.
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  Speaker 1: That's all right. That's all right.
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  Speaker 3: You got the brew crew. All the people are happy
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  Speaker 3: about that. Shout out to my boy, Garrett Mitchell. Got
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  Speaker 3: me a couple of mega tickets last night with that
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  Speaker 3: big save over Machado. I did see a clip. It's
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  Speaker 3: crazy when you go, I know we're off topic a little,
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  Speaker 3: but I haven't been in the booth. So I'm excited
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  Speaker 3: to be back. The Machado robbery 10 years apart, the
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  Speaker 3: exact way that is.
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  Speaker 2: Same spot. Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, all this stuff is just incredible. Shout out
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  Speaker 3: to our man, Sean Sully. Happy birthday to you. Hopefully
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  Speaker 3: you get a shipper tonight. Our guy BG Little Neck
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  Speaker 3: made a joke yesterday. Actually, he said, if you want
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  Speaker 3: to get a NBA preseason ship, check me out. The
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  Speaker 3: guy goes and ships it for himself for 2K, wins
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  Speaker 3: the slate. But I told him, I said, you won't
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  Speaker 3: see me in those streets. If I was, I'd be
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  Speaker 3: following you. But then I got the two mega tickets
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  Speaker 3: last night. So we're going back to back weeks. We
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  Speaker 3: get a chance to hit up the mega. That's pretty cool.
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  Speaker 3: So Yeah, a lot of fun stuff going on. This
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  Speaker 3: week's going to be crazy with Detroit, Arizona on the slate.
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  Speaker 3: That'll be Hoop, Title, and myself Sunday morning breaking that
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  Speaker 3: all down for you. Got a bunch more shows before
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  Speaker 3: then as well. But let's get to this one, Hoop.
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  Speaker 3: Grand scheme overview. You mentioned the Dak situation over there
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  Speaker 3: and being on him early. Low ownership back in the day. Well,
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  Speaker 3: that's not going to be the case here. He's going
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  Speaker 3: to be extremely high owned in the captain tonight. Big
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  Speaker 3: favorites at home for the Cowboys against the Buccaneers. Jalen
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  Speaker 3: Daniels running it back here. Another shot for him. What's
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  Speaker 3: your thoughts on this game, Hoop? Give us your grand
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  Speaker 3: scheme overview.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, so Tampa Bay has been one of
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  Speaker 1: the most disappointing teams in football prior to the Baker injury.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, that just was kind of insult to injury,
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  Speaker 1: you know, gasoline on the fire sort of scenario. It
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  Speaker 1: was already bad, and it's not going to get any better, obviously,
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  Speaker 1: with this Jalen Daniels guy who's looked horrible in terms
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  Speaker 1: of passing the ball. The thing that saves him from
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  Speaker 1: a fantasy perspective is that he runs a little bit.
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  Speaker 1: I think it was eight rushes last game for 55 yards.
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  Speaker 1: So that saves them a little bit from a fantasy perspective,
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  Speaker 1: but from a real life football perspective, it's a really
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  Speaker 1: bad situation for Tampa Bay in terms of winning football
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  Speaker 1: games and fantasy as well. So I don't know, like
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  Speaker 1: obviously the Dallas stuff is going to be way more popular.
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  Speaker 1: The Dallas captains, Dallas everywhere, 5-1 Dallas. And I get
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  Speaker 1: probably wanting to go against the grain. You guys might
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  Speaker 1: have the argument for it, but Man, I'll be loading
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  Speaker 1: up on Dallas tonight and hoping they absolutely smoke Tampa,
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  Speaker 1: which I think they do. I mean, Dallas has always
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  Speaker 1: been better at home. They have the guys that you want.
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  Speaker 1: They got the Dax. They got CD. They have Pickens.
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  Speaker 1: They have Javante Williams, who's had, I think, a three-touchdown
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  Speaker 1: game this season. I'm just going to be loading Dallas
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  Speaker 1: and hope they smoke Tampa and see what ends up
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  Speaker 1: happening because I don't see a path for Tampa to
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  Speaker 1: hang around in this game. So all in Dallas for me.
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  Speaker 3: Title. I'll kick it over to you on the same
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  Speaker 3: thought here. I mean, who went to it already? I
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  Speaker 3: was going to bring up the roster construction angle. Definitely
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  Speaker 3: looks like, again, we know the captains are more popular
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  Speaker 3: on the Dallas side. They're the home favorite, the big favorite,
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  Speaker 3: all of these factors and more are the easy part
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  Speaker 3: to figure out. But again, You know, it looks like
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  Speaker 3: it could be heavy 5-1 and 4-2 as well. So,
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  Speaker 3: you know, there's just not enough on the other side.
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  Speaker 3: People kind of want to pick one of Egbuka, Godwin,
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  Speaker 3: or if they're playing a value guy, it's like, is
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  Speaker 3: it Hurst? Is it Tez? We'll get to the receivers later.
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  Speaker 3: I don't think they're super high on, you know, Bucky,
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  Speaker 3: for example, because his price is so high and you'll
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  Speaker 3: see all that. So how do you see the roster
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  Speaker 3: construction playing out and anything different on this game that
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  Speaker 3: you're seeing? And then you can get into the captain conversation.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, no, I see it pretty similar. 5-1s will be
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  Speaker 4: very popular, 4-2 Dallas. It's just really hard on the
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  Speaker 4: Buccaneers side when they have a quarterback that, I mean,
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  Speaker 4: just runs the ball pretty much. These receivers aren't even
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  Speaker 4: getting targets. He can't even push it downfield. It makes
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  Speaker 4: it really difficult to click these names. Then you look
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  Speaker 4: at the prices, 8,200 Igbuka, 7,200 Godwin. I mean, I
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  Speaker 4: don't even know if they're going to be 20 and 19%.
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  Speaker 4: They might even be lower than that. It's really tough
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  Speaker 4: when you get on the buck side, the ones that
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  Speaker 4: are appealing, like Jalen Daniels has a good price at 8,600.
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  Speaker 4: Kate Otten has a good price at 4,400, but that's
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  Speaker 4: where people are going to go on that team. So
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  Speaker 4: I'm definitely struggling to get difference. The nice thing is though,
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  Speaker 4: at least for the Cowboys is they have that they
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  Speaker 4: have CD, they have pickings. You can Javante, then you
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  Speaker 4: can add Ferguson or Flournoy. Like I'm fine mixing Flournoy
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  Speaker 4: and Ferguson at captain as ways to get different on
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  Speaker 4: this slate. Cause I'm not going to play, Any Buccaneers
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  Speaker 4: that captain outside.
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  Speaker 2: Of maybe Jalen Daniels.
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  Speaker 4: But then I look at captain ownership and he's 10%.
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  Speaker 4: It feels like if how he gets to the optimal
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  Speaker 4: is almost just garbage time, like they're down 21, nothing
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  Speaker 4: or whatever. And then Dallas plays prevent and he can
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  Speaker 4: just dink and dunk. And I guess that's the case.
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  Speaker 4: If you do want to go the Godwin route, I
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  Speaker 4: think it's probably not in a competitive game where they
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  Speaker 4: get there.
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  Speaker 2: And then, yeah, you talk about Bucky.
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  Speaker 4: It's hard to play an 8,400 running back is nine
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  Speaker 4: and a half point underdogs. especially when you add in
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  Speaker 4: Sean Tucker, vaulted him at the goal line, and there's
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  Speaker 4: been coach speak that they want to get him a
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  Speaker 4: little more involved. So I'm struggling as a way to
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  Speaker 4: get different on this slate. You can always leave salary,
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  Speaker 4: but roster construction-wise, for sure. As far as my captains, yeah,
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  Speaker 4: I mean, I'm going to– I think it's Seedy, Javante, Dak, Pickens,
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  Speaker 4: and I think Flournoy is my low-owned one that I'm
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  Speaker 4: going to add in there. He's just on the field
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  Speaker 4: a ton in three-receiver sets, and if Flournoy gets the
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  Speaker 4: job done, that means it's not Seedy more than likely.
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  Speaker 2: It's not Pickens.
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  Speaker 4: More than likely as much, maybe a little more pickings
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  Speaker 4: than Seedy to the field, just because Seedy's looking almost
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  Speaker 4: double the ownership coming off that massive game, pickings disappointed.
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  Speaker 4: So maybe a little recency bias and just go the
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  Speaker 4: pickings route. But I really struggled to get contrarian at
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  Speaker 4: the captain spot on this one.
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  Speaker 3: I like the Pickens one quite a bit, actually. I
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  Speaker 3: think that's the one that's most interesting to me when
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  Speaker 3: he's the fourth highest owned captain on the Cowboys and
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  Speaker 3: maybe the fifth on the slate because of Jalen Daniels,
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  Speaker 3: if he actually does exceed him up top there. I
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  Speaker 3: think it's, again, we always look at the stone. That's
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  Speaker 3: what I use for my process. I'm seeing some leverage there.
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  Speaker 3: I still see some leverage, by the way, on Lamb
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  Speaker 3: and Prescott and all that. They could be under-owned even more.
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  Speaker 3: as a whole, but just, you know, they're going to
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  Speaker 3: be very popular, but just noting it Pickens would be
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  Speaker 3: the guy that you can just steal some of those
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  Speaker 3: CD lamb points from in your model. We do this
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  Speaker 3: all the time with Higgins over chase. And some of
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  Speaker 3: those games we saw last year, Pickens have a bunch
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  Speaker 3: of big games that lamb did not. I know lamb
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  Speaker 3: is coming off of a huge game. Uh, that was
• 9:48
  Speaker 3: a big part of a lot of the success of
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  Speaker 3: the ship and nation community last week with the Stroud,
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  Speaker 3: Nico Collins, and then run it back with lamb. What
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  Speaker 3: a game for CD lamb that was, but I think
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  Speaker 3: a lot of that carries over, right? People just auto
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  Speaker 3: assume it's going to be back to that. Why not
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  Speaker 3: use the spot like this to get your guy pickings
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  Speaker 3: heated up to and get him some confidence and get
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  Speaker 3: him rolling. So I like pickings quite a bit up top. He's,
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  Speaker 3: you know, not any of the other guys. He's going
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  Speaker 3: to leverage the popular Dak and lamb spot that they're in.
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  Speaker 3: You could run some unique lineups that way. But I
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  Speaker 3: think you said it, it's tough on the other side,
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  Speaker 3: especially when my process is to trust the stone. How
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  Speaker 3: does a guy like Godwin get up top? Well, to me,
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  Speaker 3: the way he gets up top is he just continuously
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  Speaker 3: gets peppered, gets a touchdown. And then the Dallas side
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  Speaker 3: spreads it out so much. but that's not really how
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  Speaker 3: they play or do things. I know they have multiple
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  Speaker 3: guys that they could spread it out to, but it's
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  Speaker 3: just not what they do. So I'm trusting the stone
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  Speaker 3: a little bit on that side as well. It's tougher
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  Speaker 3: to imagine that. I think it's, you know, how you
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  Speaker 3: have to get there though, is you're playing for that scenario,
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  Speaker 3: that game hoop. And for me, it's more than likely
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  Speaker 3: if I have a Godwin or a Buka type, you know,
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  Speaker 3: captain up there, you know, wide receiver from the Buccaneers,
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  Speaker 3: something like that. It's going to be probably in a two, four.
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  Speaker 3: I'm still going to want those Dallas guys coming back
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  Speaker 3: the other way. I'm just going to hope it spreads
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  Speaker 3: out a little bit and maybe the price difference, but
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  Speaker 3: even then it's not that different, right? It's, I don't know.
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  Speaker 3: I guess it's somewhat different. If you've got like Godwin 10,
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  Speaker 3: eight in the captain, that's a lot less than, you know, 15, six, 16,
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  Speaker 3: two 17, seven or 14, one for the four main
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  Speaker 3: Dallas guys. So you'd fit a little bit more of
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  Speaker 3: a unique lineup, but you'll also just land in a
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  Speaker 3: lot of the same spots. Others would that do go
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  Speaker 3: there and he's going to be, you know, two to
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  Speaker 3: 5% up top, but who, what's your thoughts of the
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  Speaker 3: captain tonight? Oh, we got the first mute of the season.
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  Speaker 1: First of the season.
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  Speaker 2: I think you had the, you had one.
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  Speaker 3: Your first, I should say.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: It's very difficult for me to make the case for
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  Speaker 1: really any of those guys up top. Like, I just
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  Speaker 1: don't know how they get there. And then like, you
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  Speaker 1: don't need a Dallas guy instead of them. It would just,
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  Speaker 1: I just don't see it. Like, I get it, I guess,
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  Speaker 1: just from a contrarian standpoint, that's the only reason like
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  Speaker 1: you would be doing it. I just don't see the
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  Speaker 1: game script where it actually comes true. So for me,
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  Speaker 1: I'm looking at it like, okay, you know, I know
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  Speaker 1: a lot of people don't want to just go with
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  Speaker 1: the popular plays or the popular side, but Daniel's 10,
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  Speaker 1: 11% on, right? Okay. If you don't play him, that's
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  Speaker 1: 10 potentially gone. Bucky four to 5%. So now we're
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  Speaker 1: up to 15. You know you're going to have some
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  Speaker 1: Otten up there, 2% to 3%. You know there's going
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  Speaker 1: to be some Ibuka. You know there's going to be
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  Speaker 1: some Godwin up there. So then you start adding all
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  Speaker 1: this stuff up, and you might get 20% to 25%
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  Speaker 1: Tampa Bay captain. And if you just X all those
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  Speaker 1: guys out and just play Dallas and get overweight on
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  Speaker 1: all the Dallas guys, that's the sort of strategy I'm
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  Speaker 1: interested in tonight. And then for the Tampa stuff in
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  Speaker 1: the flex, I think there's ways to get different. Like
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  Speaker 1: when we get to running back, If you have a
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  Speaker 1: team that has Bucky Irving in there, just say, you
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  Speaker 1: know what? I think this is going to be a
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  Speaker 1: Dallas blowout. They're going to go to their backups. I'm
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  Speaker 1: just going to take out Bucky and plug in Gainwell. 4,400
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  Speaker 1: left on the table right there. It's going to be
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  Speaker 1: less duped sort of situation. So that's kind of how
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  Speaker 1: I'm looking. I want to be all in Dallas captain tonight.
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  Speaker 1: My favorites are definitely CeeDee Lamb. Like his connection with
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  Speaker 1: Dak is insane right now. And the stats over the last,
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  Speaker 1: three games i mean he's looking to him over pickings
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  Speaker 1: almost every single play i mean this guy has 189
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  Speaker 1: 112 153 like the connection is absolutely insane now i
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  Speaker 1: still want some pickings and it's easy to get overweight
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  Speaker 1: on pickings if i'm not playing the tampa guys so
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  Speaker 1: i can get overweight on all these guys really the
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  Speaker 1: only one i'm gonna be just with the field on
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  Speaker 1: or maybe a little below ironically is the guy's jersey
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  Speaker 1: that I have on in Dak because I just feel
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  Speaker 1: like anytime Dak does it someone does more whether it's
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  Speaker 1: CD whether it's Pickens could even be Flournoy or you
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  Speaker 1: know Ferguson I'll keep in the mix at the captain
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  Speaker 1: just a little bit so Dak I'm fine being right
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  Speaker 1: at what are we showing for ownership on him we
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  Speaker 1: have him at 20 I'd be fine being right around
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  Speaker 1: there or upper teams I want to be over on
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  Speaker 1: CD I want to be over on Javante Javante is
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  Speaker 1: my number two uh, at, uh, what did we have
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  Speaker 1: him at 12? If I get around 20 or something,
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  Speaker 1: I'd be happy with that. Pickens, you know, probably a
• 14:26
  Speaker 1: little above. And then I I'd keep Ferguson in there.
• 14:30
  Speaker 1: I'd keep Flournoy in there. And then that's what I'm
• 14:32
  Speaker 1: looking at. Dak, CD, Javante, Pickens, Ferguson, Flournoy, and then
• 14:37
  Speaker 1: just whacking out all the Tampa. And then how do
• 14:40
  Speaker 1: you get unique in those lineups? The CD lineups or
• 14:43
  Speaker 1: the Dak captain lineups is, some of this other stuff,
• 14:46
  Speaker 1: leaving salary on the table, making those pivots where you're
• 14:49
  Speaker 1: just dropping from, you know, player A down to player B.
• 14:52
  Speaker 1: I use the Bucky example. So that's how I want
• 14:54
  Speaker 1: to play it today. I'm just, if I can't make
• 14:56
  Speaker 1: the case in my head or really come up with
• 14:58
  Speaker 1: a reasonable game script where I think Tampa is needed
• 15:01
  Speaker 1: in captain, I'm just not going to do it.
• 15:02
  Speaker 3: Yeah, title. I'll kick back over to you for quarterbacks
• 15:05
  Speaker 3: in a second. But anything else you want to add
• 15:07
  Speaker 3: at the captain, you can chime in. I'll just say
• 15:08
  Speaker 3: to hoop strategy there, like for those at home, you're
• 15:11
  Speaker 3: not following along. It's like he just rolls those guys.
• 15:13
  Speaker 3: Let's just say 20 on Dak. That'd be field 20
• 15:16
  Speaker 3: on job. I know he said be a little under
• 15:18
  Speaker 3: just noting it, but 20 on Javante. If he's 12
• 15:20
  Speaker 3: and you got 20, you're almost double the field. Lamb,
• 15:23
  Speaker 3: you'd still be slightly over the field. Pickens, you'll be
• 15:25
  Speaker 3: double the field. That would leave you enough to be
• 15:29
  Speaker 3: triple the field on Flournoy, triple the field on Ferguson,
• 15:32
  Speaker 3: and even have a little bit left over to spread
• 15:34
  Speaker 3: around if you want to be a little more aggressive
• 15:36
  Speaker 3: on one of those guys. I think that's where people struggle, Hoop,
• 15:38
  Speaker 3: is even with a portfolio approach, is they'll say, hey,
• 15:42
  Speaker 3: I don't want to play all the chalk or I
• 15:43
  Speaker 3: don't want to do this. That's fine, but you can
• 15:45
  Speaker 3: get leverage on all the chalk even further. Plus, there's
• 15:48
  Speaker 3: bad lineups. Let's say Dak is 20% title, going back
• 15:50
  Speaker 3: to you now. If Dak's 20% up top, there's going
• 15:54
  Speaker 3: to be a bunch of like 50K max lineups and
• 15:58
  Speaker 3: versions where it's like just the worst build that has
• 16:00
  Speaker 3: no chance of anything that's decent. I mean, you know,
• 16:03
  Speaker 3: maybe a little bit of money left over, but like 3K, 2K,
• 16:06
  Speaker 3: 1K when it's supposed to be 500K to first. I'm
• 16:08
  Speaker 3: not saying you're going to get all the way there,
• 16:09
  Speaker 3: but just noting it. that's the thing. So if you
• 16:12
  Speaker 3: have like, you know, whoever you choose, if it's Javante
• 16:14
  Speaker 3: and you've got 20 of them, there's going to be
• 16:16
  Speaker 3: a bad chunk of Javante lineups. If you build accordingly
• 16:19
  Speaker 3: and you've actually got 20, you're going to be really
• 16:22
  Speaker 3: leveraged to the field and be able to get those
• 16:24
  Speaker 3: other good lineups cycled within where it leaves 2000 on
• 16:28
  Speaker 3: the table, but as this, that makes sense or whatever
• 16:30
  Speaker 3: it might be. Any other thoughts of the captain you
• 16:32
  Speaker 3: want to finalize with before talking about the quarterbacks further?
• 16:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I'm on the exact same page.
• 16:37
  Speaker 4: I like, I probably will hardly have any Tampa, maybe
• 16:40
  Speaker 4: a little again, Jalen Daniels. And I can just see
• 16:42
  Speaker 4: the path where he has first half's terrible, but maybe
• 16:45
  Speaker 4: he gets rushed like prevent defense.
• 16:47
  Speaker 2: The Cowboys are up 21, nothing.
• 16:48
  Speaker 4: He could just rush for 10 yards here, 10 yards there,
• 16:51
  Speaker 4: get a rushing touchdown and the 8,600 price tags.
• 16:54
  Speaker 2: Good.
• 16:54
  Speaker 4: So he's the one I'm fine keeping in, but yeah,
• 16:57
  Speaker 4: in total agreement, we have it about a little over
• 17:00
  Speaker 4: 20% Tampa captains.
• 17:01
  Speaker 2: That's paying the rake.
• 17:03
  Speaker 4: If they're not there, then like you said, 88,000 people
• 17:04
  Speaker 4: are in this, contests on DraftKings. So even though these
• 17:08
  Speaker 4: guys will be owned, you should trust yourself to build
• 17:10
  Speaker 4: better lineups. So yeah, I'm going to eat the chalk
• 17:13
  Speaker 4: at captain. As far as quarterbacks, yeah, I have a
• 17:16
  Speaker 4: little more interest.
• 17:16
  Speaker 1: Let me just add one thing before we go into
• 17:19
  Speaker 1: that portion, because I think this is an important point.
• 17:21
  Speaker 1: Our guy, the prophet Tampa Bay locks down wide receiver
• 17:26
  Speaker 1: ones and running backs do not feast on them either.
• 17:28
  Speaker 1: This is where early on in the season, you have
• 17:30
  Speaker 1: to look deeper into that sort of thing. It can't
• 17:33
  Speaker 1: just be defense first position. They've played the Browns, right?
• 17:37
  Speaker 1: The Browns are, they're winning football games, horrible offense. They've
• 17:41
  Speaker 1: played the Vikings, the worst offense, I'd say, probably in
• 17:44
  Speaker 1: football outside of the really shitty teams. And they played
• 17:47
  Speaker 1: the Packers who, sorry, title, but their offense is fucking
• 17:51
  Speaker 1: horrible too. So they played three of the worst offenses
• 17:55
  Speaker 1: in football. So you have to dig a little deeper
• 17:58
  Speaker 1: into that. Don't let that be the decision point on
• 18:00
  Speaker 1: what you do for the slate. Just wanted to point
• 18:03
  Speaker 1: that out.
• 18:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah. And you don't got to say, sorry, the Packers
• 18:05
  Speaker 2: are dust. Go Brewers, go Brewers.
• 18:08
  Speaker 4: But I think, yeah, I think I have a little
• 18:11
  Speaker 4: more interest at the captain for Dak than Hoop just
• 18:15
  Speaker 4: because I like Florin A and we can see Ferguson
• 18:17
  Speaker 4: get a touchdown. And yeah, I think like we're showing
• 18:21
  Speaker 4: Dak is the highest own at 20%. I wouldn't be
• 18:23
  Speaker 4: surprised if like CD and Dak flip. And I know
• 18:27
  Speaker 4: that's $ 1, 400. Like that still is a lot of money,
• 18:30
  Speaker 4: but Quarterbacks, especially non-running quarterbacks, are ones that just aren't
• 18:34
  Speaker 4: known for that. People get a little more skeptical. And
• 18:36
  Speaker 4: Seedy just coming off that massive game. Again, he is
• 18:39
  Speaker 4: more expensive, so I could be wrong. But, yeah, I mean,
• 18:42
  Speaker 4: I like the quarterbacks a lot, though. Jalen Daniels in
• 18:44
  Speaker 4: the flex, 8,600 for a running quarterback. That's going to
• 18:47
  Speaker 4: be out there for four quarters, even if they're down
• 18:49
  Speaker 4: a ton, since he's not the starter. Like, there's just
• 18:51
  Speaker 4: so many outs he has, even if he plays terrible
• 18:54
  Speaker 4: all game. So I like him a lot in the flex.
• 18:57
  Speaker 4: I like Dak a ton. I'm going to play plenty
• 18:59
  Speaker 4: of quarterbacks.
• 19:00
  Speaker 3: Real quick on this, too. You just got to be
• 19:01
  Speaker 3: careful with that. I know, Andrew, you're always here supporting
• 19:04
  Speaker 3: and with us. We appreciate you, man. But, you know,
• 19:06
  Speaker 3: when you do that, you will just get the same
• 19:08
  Speaker 3: line everybody else has of that lineup. If it's a high-stakes,
• 19:12
  Speaker 3: smaller-field tournament, maybe you can get away with it a
• 19:14
  Speaker 3: little bit more. There's 200 people in the FFWCQ with
• 19:18
  Speaker 3: $ 500 buy-in and most don't go this route. So maybe
• 19:22
  Speaker 3: there's one or two of you that have this and
• 19:23
  Speaker 3: then you could be in good shape. But for the
• 19:25
  Speaker 3: most part, it's not really the best idea because you're
• 19:28
  Speaker 3: going to land on a lineup that just so many...
• 19:29
  Speaker 3: People say, oh, but he's only 2% in captain. Yeah,
• 19:31
  Speaker 3: but almost all that 2% look exactly like this lineup.
• 19:35
  Speaker 3: So if you're doing that, let's say it lands on
• 19:38
  Speaker 3: Pickens as one of the guys you're calling all the
• 19:40
  Speaker 3: guys in the flex. Well, you might want to hope
• 19:42
  Speaker 3: that Flournoy is the one catching the Pickens bombs. that
• 19:46
  Speaker 3: others are not. So while you can fit Pickens with
• 19:49
  Speaker 3: a Flournoy captain, you might leave him out of it
• 19:51
  Speaker 3: and just drop down to somebody else and say, who cares?
• 19:53
  Speaker 3: Leave the money because I'm saying this is the script instead,
• 19:56
  Speaker 3: but it's still going to be a big enough game.
• 19:57
  Speaker 3: The tricky part then is if raw points get beat,
• 20:01
  Speaker 3: you know, get him with lamb or something, you could
• 20:03
  Speaker 3: have just afforded that to flip them. And then you're
• 20:05
  Speaker 3: in a tricky spot. So it doesn't work out very often,
• 20:08
  Speaker 3: just so you know. Hoop, anything else you want to
• 20:10
  Speaker 3: add at quarterback when it comes to the flex, right?
• 20:13
  Speaker 3: I mean, use them with certain guys up top. I
• 20:15
  Speaker 3: recognize that, but let me ask you this another way,
• 20:18
  Speaker 3: because it's pretty obvious, you know, put, put the quarterback
• 20:20
  Speaker 3: sometimes in the flex when you've got a receiver up top,
• 20:22
  Speaker 3: not always, but most of the time, but let's use
• 20:24
  Speaker 3: Jalen Daniels. He is basically the same price. He's 200
• 20:27
  Speaker 3: bucks more than Bucky, 400 bucks more than Igbuka. 1400
• 20:30
  Speaker 3: more than Godwin. Is there any world? What do you think,
• 20:34
  Speaker 3: or how much do you love a five one with
• 20:36
  Speaker 3: Daniels on the other side and just hope that he's
• 20:38
  Speaker 3: all the production and it's none of his guys versus
• 20:40
  Speaker 3: sometimes we don't do that because you're saying, well, if
• 20:42
  Speaker 3: they're going to be down, it's going to be the
• 20:43
  Speaker 3: receiver that's catching all the passes or whatever it might be.
• 20:46
  Speaker 3: What do you think of that?
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: I like it, but I do think in this scenario,
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: that'll be the common path that most people take. Like
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: it's going to, if they are doing a five one,
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: they're going to say, all right, well, I got this
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: running quarterback on the other side. Like I'll just, you know,
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: bank on that sort of floor. So I think a
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: lot of people do it, but I do like it.
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: I mean, I think it does make the most sense
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: to me because you're capturing a lot of the offense
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: and the price is fair at 8,600. So yeah, I'm
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: fine with it. I do think it's going to be
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: the route that most people take, but I like them
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: in the flex for sure. Like a team I don't
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: think is going to score many points tonight, real life
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: points and fantasy points. I get a running quarterback, You know,
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: eight rush attempts. Dallas defense is not great. So he
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: could do something in garbage time. Like the way I
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: see this game going, I just think they're going to
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: be down by so much where it's not going to
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: end up, you know, mattering in terms of the actual game.
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: But I think he can do enough. Like I would
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: put him in the, you know, the projection for him
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: is mid to high teens fantasy points. I think that's
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: probably where he ends up. I just don't see much
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: of a ceiling. So prefer him in the flex for sure.
• 21:53
  Speaker 3: Yeah, anything else at quarterback that you're thinking about? Like Dak,
• 21:55
  Speaker 3: you mentioned being a little bit lower on him. in
• 21:58
  Speaker 3: the captain than his number, not overall, but then his
• 22:01
  Speaker 3: actual current percentage. But is there, you know, is that
• 22:03
  Speaker 3: just saying that when he's not up top, he's almost
• 22:05
  Speaker 3: always in the, in the flex for you or what
• 22:07
  Speaker 3: do you think?
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: Very, very likely that he's in the optimal lineup tonight.
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: Like I just, there's not many scenarios where he's not
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: in the optimal lineup in, in my eyes, how I
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: see this thing playing out. It's like a past first team.
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: He has all the weapons. Like the, the way he's
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: not as obviously he's, a Javante captain team. So the
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: only spot where I feel, if I was hand-building, the
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: only spot I feel comfortable not playing Dak and Flex
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: would be Javante Williams' captain teams.
• 22:36
  Speaker 3: Yeah, so we have Flex Optimal and Captain Optimal on
• 22:39
  Speaker 3: the stone. I think the only higher than Dak tonight,
• 22:42
  Speaker 3: because just the way these two teams break out, I
• 22:44
  Speaker 3: think was probably like Bijan situations or Gibbs situations. Like
• 22:48
  Speaker 3: when you get those guys, of course, they're in almost
• 22:50
  Speaker 3: every version. But it's over, I think it's over 85,
• 22:54
  Speaker 3: almost 85% anyway, close enough to it that, you know,
• 22:57
  Speaker 3: at least it makes it somewhat interesting. And we'll get
• 22:59
  Speaker 3: to the receivers in a bit, but I do think
• 23:01
  Speaker 3: that is the, you know, finally finalizing the quarterback in
• 23:04
  Speaker 3: flex conversation. I do think that's the spot where a
• 23:07
  Speaker 3: lot of the, once you go away from a Dak
• 23:10
  Speaker 3: or a CD lamb captain, like even the Javon, I'm sorry.
• 23:13
  Speaker 3: And Javante, he's up there as well. But I'm saying
• 23:14
  Speaker 3: once you get to like Pickens or Ferguson or anything
• 23:16
  Speaker 3: else like that, um, you just have the money for
• 23:19
  Speaker 3: Jalen Daniels. And I think a lot of people, because
• 23:21
  Speaker 3: of optimizers, projections, things like that, he runs or can
• 23:24
  Speaker 3: run people think. So it's, they're going to go to him,
• 23:27
  Speaker 3: but you could just play like an Ibuka, a Godwin,
• 23:30
  Speaker 3: a Teddy Hearst, whatever you want to drop it down to,
• 23:32
  Speaker 3: and just hope that that's the run back on a
• 23:34
  Speaker 3: five one. And it works better on a five one
• 23:37
  Speaker 3: two title. I'll kick it over to you for running back.
• 23:39
  Speaker 3: But beforehand, On a 5-1, you're more likely to get
• 23:45
  Speaker 3: away with the 1 being a drop-down price guy, right?
• 23:50
  Speaker 3: Because it's not like someone's going to flip it. You
• 23:51
  Speaker 3: already might have lamb up top. It's not like Flournoy
• 23:53
  Speaker 3: in the captain when you're like, yeah, but if you're
• 23:55
  Speaker 3: not playing pickings there and you still have lamb, you'd
• 23:58
  Speaker 3: be able just to flip lamb back up and then
• 24:00
  Speaker 3: it's not as good of a build. On the 1
• 24:02
  Speaker 3: for the 5-1 build, It's if it's not, you know,
• 24:06
  Speaker 3: Jalen Daniels, that just doesn't automatically mean it's next man
• 24:09
  Speaker 3: up in Bucky Irving or next man up in a book.
• 24:12
  Speaker 3: Like it could easily just be Godwin and leave the money.
• 24:14
  Speaker 3: Or it could literally be like Tez or Teddy Hearst
• 24:18
  Speaker 3: catch a late bomb. And they're the one on the
• 24:20
  Speaker 3: other side that you need. And it's like, damn, they
• 24:22
  Speaker 3: overrode everybody else. But the Cowboys did have so many
• 24:25
  Speaker 3: points outscoring those other guys that you just needed that
• 24:28
  Speaker 3: one off with five grand on the table. So just
• 24:30
  Speaker 3: so people know how the one can work in your favor.
• 24:33
  Speaker 3: That's one thing I would add there, but I'll let
• 24:34
  Speaker 3: you take us into running back.
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a good point.
• 24:37
  Speaker 4: Like my favorite one builds, uh, like if I played
• 24:40
  Speaker 4: one Buccaneer is either Jalen Daniels or just like a punt,
• 24:43
  Speaker 4: like an odd and a like, cause I don't really, they,
• 24:46
  Speaker 4: maybe they score five points and that's just enough from
• 24:48
  Speaker 4: a Buccaneer. Cause all the studs, it gets you all
• 24:50
  Speaker 4: the studs on the Cowboys side, the Schultz game.
• 24:53
  Speaker 3: You just brought me up. Remember the Dalton Schultz game
• 24:55
  Speaker 3: when he had like nine catches in the fourth quarter.
• 24:57
  Speaker 2: Oh my gosh.
• 24:58
  Speaker 3: Yeah. That's an example. That was from classic slate, but
• 25:00
  Speaker 3: I'm saying that's an example where like, imagine it is
• 25:02
  Speaker 3: like none of the Tampa guys are really putting up shit.
• 25:05
  Speaker 3: And then you just get the Otten six, seven catches
• 25:07
  Speaker 3: down the stretch or something like, damn, now it's Otten
• 25:09
  Speaker 3: just racking up all these points. Anything like that could happen.
• 25:12
  Speaker 3: So that's where, again, how many people would just leave the,
• 25:16
  Speaker 3: what is it? $ 4, 200 from Jalen Daniels down to Otten
• 25:20
  Speaker 3: and just hope that it's him. And Daniels gets beat
• 25:23
  Speaker 3: up on all game, but Otten racks up the catches
• 25:24
  Speaker 3: and you need five guys from Dallas. That's how that
• 25:27
  Speaker 3: can work in your favor. I'll let you go ahead
• 25:28
  Speaker 3: into running back with great points there.
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Running back is relatively tough.
• 25:34
  Speaker 4: Like I think my favorite ones, again, Javante is a
• 25:37
  Speaker 4: great place. Minus 200 to score by far the best,
• 25:39
  Speaker 4: but I think it's mainly just the value. Like Sean
• 25:42
  Speaker 4: Tucker and Tyler Goodson are my favorites. Like Bucky is
• 25:45
  Speaker 4: clearly overpriced as nine and a half point underdogs. Jalen Daniels.
• 25:49
  Speaker 4: I mean, he's a running quarterback. Like he's not really
• 25:52
  Speaker 4: checking the ball down as much. Can he gain well
• 25:54
  Speaker 4: at 4K? It doesn't feel, with Jalen Daniels back there,
• 25:58
  Speaker 4: that his 42% snap share or whatever is going to
• 26:01
  Speaker 4: be enough. Just give me all the savings. Like I'm saying,
• 26:04
  Speaker 4: maybe I'll play five Cowboys and then play Sean Tucker
• 26:07
  Speaker 4: because he's 2,400. He got a touchdown last week. Some
• 26:10
  Speaker 4: coach speak. They said they wanted to get Sean Tucker
• 26:12
  Speaker 4: a little more involved. So I like that. We need
• 26:15
  Speaker 4: value on this slate. And Tyler Goodson, he's 2K. He's
• 26:18
  Speaker 4: running back two now for this team. Played 16 snaps
• 26:23
  Speaker 4: last week. If they're up 21 or 28 or something,
• 26:26
  Speaker 4: you're not going to see Javante playing a ton in
• 26:28
  Speaker 4: the fourth quarter. Tyler Goodson's out there, and a lot
• 26:31
  Speaker 4: of random stuff can happen. So, yeah, it's weird to say. Obviously,
• 26:35
  Speaker 4: Javante's my favorite. But after Javante, give me the punts.
• 26:38
  Speaker 4: Give me Goodson at 2K. Give me Sean Tucker at 2,400.
• 26:41
  Speaker 4: I don't love Gainwell. I do not love Bucky Irving.
• 26:44
  Speaker 4: I'd pick Gainwell over Bucky because of the price. But, yeah,
• 26:48
  Speaker 4: I'm dumpster diving at running back.
• 26:50
  Speaker 3: What about this? You know, we just saw it again.
• 26:51
  Speaker 3: This is, um, two times now that we've seen this
• 26:55
  Speaker 3: Brian Robinson, Bijan.
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: Packers on Thursday and Monday. Yep.
• 26:59
  Speaker 3: Yeah. So what, uh, what about that? You think people
• 27:01
  Speaker 3: actually go to this tonight with like a Williams Goodson?
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: I mean, not really.
• 27:06
  Speaker 4: I don't think so because we saw it with Brian
• 27:08
  Speaker 4: Robinson once before. And I mean, Brian Robinson has a
• 27:12
  Speaker 4: real role to an extent, like he's.
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: Going to play roughly 30%.
• 27:15
  Speaker 4: He'll spell Bijan and, They've obviously been willing to, I mean,
• 27:18
  Speaker 4: Brian Robinson's been in the league for multiple years. He
• 27:21
  Speaker 4: was a real running back in Washington. Like he's a
• 27:24
  Speaker 4: power back. It's not a Tyler Goodson. So I don't
• 27:28
  Speaker 4: think people are really going to do that because of
• 27:30
  Speaker 4: what happened on Monday.
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: It's a different situation.
• 27:32
  Speaker 3: I agree. I think that's the case. Kenny Gainwell is
• 27:35
  Speaker 3: a different conversation on the other side, but again, that's
• 27:37
  Speaker 3: another buck. So I'll get to hoop in a second.
• 27:39
  Speaker 3: Speaking of Kenny's though, shout out to our man. Kenny
• 27:41
  Speaker 3: Z said, nice to just open my app and see
• 27:43
  Speaker 3: you guys getting the team prepped. You got the logo there,
• 27:45
  Speaker 3: but I saw you last night with the logo. You
• 27:47
  Speaker 3: were chasing me before I fell asleep in that baseball streets,
• 27:50
  Speaker 3: but we appreciate you rocking the logo still, man. So
• 27:52
  Speaker 3: shout out to you. I actually, um, when I saw Kenny,
• 27:55
  Speaker 3: Kenny might remember this. I think I saw what I
• 27:58
  Speaker 3: was talking to you guys about pre-show. I think I
• 28:00
  Speaker 3: saw Kenny in Chicago, uh, And it might've been at the,
• 28:03
  Speaker 3: was it at a White Sox game or was it
• 28:05
  Speaker 3: when we went to Wrigley? Damn, it might've been at
• 28:07
  Speaker 3: Wrigley actually, my bad. But we were saying today how
• 28:08
  Speaker 3: like the White Sox were so horrible. We went to
• 28:11
  Speaker 3: a game there for one of the live finals a
• 28:12
  Speaker 3: year or two ago. And now they're like in, you know,
• 28:15
  Speaker 3: leading the series in the ALDS. It's just crazy how
• 28:17
  Speaker 3: baseball flips around. And then this one, before I go
• 28:21
  Speaker 3: to you Hoopa, I'm running back. I almost play no
• 28:24
  Speaker 3: lineups with 50 K max. Like typically, because again, I
• 28:27
  Speaker 3: just don't be like, Oh, don't you want the 5k?
• 28:29
  Speaker 3: I get it. And yeah, it's nice, but I'm saying like,
• 28:31
  Speaker 3: if I get it and it somehow gets into my
• 28:33
  Speaker 3: pool and that's what I get for my money and
• 28:35
  Speaker 3: it's the best lineup. Great. But I'm really not trying
• 28:37
  Speaker 3: to win five grand when it's 500 K up top.
• 28:40
  Speaker 3: And the most I'm willing to leave on the table
• 28:42
  Speaker 3: probably would shock you. Cause I don't know what it'll
• 28:44
  Speaker 3: be till I get to the slate, but very most
• 28:46
  Speaker 3: there's slates where there's 10,000 on the table. No problem.
• 28:49
  Speaker 3: So it's just, it's playing the game. for the what
• 28:52
  Speaker 3: if titles coined it many years ago and said it,
• 28:54
  Speaker 3: but it's not how often you're right. It's how much
• 28:56
  Speaker 3: you win when you are right. I just, if I'm
• 28:58
  Speaker 3: right once during NFL showdown season, it could be all
• 29:00
  Speaker 3: the money. We saw Knowlesman win 500 K shot of
• 29:03
  Speaker 3: G Rison's buddy Knowlesman. He got the 500 K the
• 29:06
  Speaker 3: other night was a nice chop. What was it?
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: 130 each or, Oh, I thought it was two 25.
• 29:10
  Speaker 3: It might've been two 28 or something.
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah. You're right. Maybe or something.
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 29:17
  Speaker 3: So that's what I'm playing for.
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: No quarterback.
• 29:19
  Speaker 4: No quarterback, which is the reason. You look at the lineup,
• 29:22
  Speaker 4: you don't think it's crazy. Then when you break down
• 29:24
  Speaker 4: the roster construction and see no quarterback. And again, when
• 29:27
  Speaker 4: you see a nine and a half point spread today,
• 29:30
  Speaker 4: random stuff can happen. Again, if this game does get
• 29:32
  Speaker 4: out of hand, you're going to see garbage time, random
• 29:34
  Speaker 4: guys out there, and that's how you can leave the money.
• 29:37
  Speaker 4: So yeah, it's not, like you said, not how often
• 29:39
  Speaker 4: you win wins.
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: You win, how much.
• 29:41
  Speaker 4: Noelsman, I can promise you, he's not going to lose
• 29:43
  Speaker 4: money in showdown this year, unless I guess he does
• 29:46
  Speaker 4: something crazy.
• 29:46
  Speaker 2: He fires hard.
• 29:48
  Speaker 4: I said showdown, just showdown, not his whole year, but
• 29:53
  Speaker 4: he fires.
• 29:54
  Speaker 3: He fires Knowlesman's the man got, got to beat him
• 29:56
  Speaker 3: at some of the live finals and G rise. And
• 29:58
  Speaker 3: I was sends us the pictures of his house. He's
• 30:00
  Speaker 3: living pretty good. He's not going to, let me tell
• 30:02
  Speaker 3: you this. He could give back all that money somehow,
• 30:05
  Speaker 3: and he's still going to be okay. Let me promise
• 30:07
  Speaker 3: you that Knowlesman is the man. So, All right, Hoop,
• 30:09
  Speaker 3: that's enough back and forth. I'll let you get to
• 30:11
  Speaker 3: running back now. The Kenny Gainwell, the Bucky Irving. One
• 30:14
  Speaker 3: thing is we did add the grades to the stone.
• 30:17
  Speaker 3: People just beg for these early. So to Timmy's point
• 30:20
  Speaker 3: here with the new grading system, don't you think? Yeah,
• 30:22
  Speaker 3: they'll probably want to try. I guarantee you the Bucks
• 30:24
  Speaker 3: will want to try and get a lot of things
• 30:25
  Speaker 3: going early. It's just whether or not they do. But
• 30:28
  Speaker 3: also to Hoop's point, the grades usually are like weeks six, seven.
• 30:33
  Speaker 3: I know the the thing, but I'm saying usually that's
• 30:35
  Speaker 3: when we bring it out. We busted it out a
• 30:36
  Speaker 3: little bit early this year because people have been begging
• 30:38
  Speaker 3: for it. I wouldn't be putting too much into this
• 30:41
  Speaker 3: yet to Hoop's point of some of these matchups, what
• 30:44
  Speaker 3: they faced, all of that. Um, if it, if it
• 30:46
  Speaker 3: works great, but, uh, you know, it won't be victory
• 30:48
  Speaker 3: lapping that one too hard. It's just too early still
• 30:50
  Speaker 3: same with DVP and all that type of stuff. You
• 30:52
  Speaker 3: got to really give a little bit more time. Go ahead.
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: It's very tough position. Like Javante Williams have already talked
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: about him, you know, good play in the flex, uh, captain,
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: love him, want to be overweight and him being the captain.
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: I want to play some of these cheap running backs
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: and probably will have to, but it's like, I just,
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: I don't like the Goodson stuff as much. Like they
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: just ride their guys, like their main guys, like so hard,
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: even if they're up by three touchdowns, like they still
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: ride these guys. And I'm going to have some like
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: Goodson in the pool for sure. But man, I just don't,
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: Love it. If there's cheap wide receivers over these cheap
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: running backs, I want those guys, but I just looked
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: at wide receiver and I don't think there's many cheap
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: wide receivers, so it's going to be a necessary evil
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: to probably play some of these guys. Don't like Bucky.
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: Definitely prefer Gainwell over Bucky if you're trying to get
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: a one or two situation and not go down to Tucker.
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: Definitely will just take my chance on Gainwell and hopefully
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: get some dump offs. Sean Tucker, fine as a full
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: punt at 24, but It's just– these guys are going
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: to have to be played out of necessity to probably
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: make things work because, again, I didn't see much at
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: wide receiver in terms of cheap options, and the same
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: can be said for tight ends. So probably– especially if
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: you're doing 150, if you're not making 150– or even
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: 50 lineups. If you're only making like five to ten lineups,
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: you really don't need to be here all that much
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: at all. You don't even have to mess with it.
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: Just fade it all, play Javante Williams, and move on
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: because I'm not seeing– Much that I do like here.
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: If I'm going to rank these guys, Javante for sure won. Gainwell.
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: Then Sean Tucker, I guess. Then Bucky and Goodson, I guess,
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: are the last options for me. And the thing with Bucky,
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: it's $ 8, 400. People are going to look at it and say,
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: I don't want to play him. But people are just
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: going to play him because he's the starting running back
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: for one of two teams on the slate. We're showing.
• 32:56
  Speaker 5: Flex ownership at 25%. Like if you don't play them
• 33:02
  Speaker 5: 25% of the field, potentially bye-bye or take an underweight
• 33:06
  Speaker 5: stance on them. So all these little moves you make
• 33:09
  Speaker 5: add up to a big move.
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: If you're going to be Dallas heavy and avoid Bucky,
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: avoid Godwin, avoid Igbuka, who we'll talk about next. So that's,
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: that's my path for sure tonight is avoiding as many
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: Tampa guys as I can. uh in the flux and
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: obviously i'm not playing any in the captain so that's
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: what i'm looking at here tonight but it's a weak
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: position very weak all these running backs i.
• 33:32
  Speaker 3: Like one thing that you said there a lot actually
• 33:34
  Speaker 3: was about the point about like the little moves adding
• 33:37
  Speaker 3: up to a big move the thing i'll say is
• 33:39
  Speaker 3: like i guess and i know it's just wording i
• 33:41
  Speaker 3: know what you meant but i'm so like we don't
• 33:42
  Speaker 3: know if it's a big move because we don't get
• 33:43
  Speaker 3: the results yet but it is a very valuable move
• 33:46
  Speaker 3: because that's what people need to see is like when
• 33:47
  Speaker 3: you said it best with the bucky irving thing if
• 33:49
  Speaker 3: he's 25 And you take an underweight stance on him.
• 33:52
  Speaker 3: You can get 15. You still got plenty of Bucky,
• 33:55
  Speaker 3: but you're 10% underweight. But if you shift some of
• 33:57
  Speaker 3: that to Gainwell and Tucker and that type of stuff,
• 34:00
  Speaker 3: like that's where the valuable setup is. Obviously, if Bucky
• 34:03
  Speaker 3: goes off, you're in trouble. But it's like you weren't
• 34:04
  Speaker 3: taking that stance ever anyway. So this move can work
• 34:08
  Speaker 3: in your favor quite nicely if you do that. Our guy, Gary,
• 34:11
  Speaker 3: I love this. So I got to meet him at
• 34:12
  Speaker 3: a few of these finals, too. He says, I met
• 34:14
  Speaker 3: Nolzman at FFWC, went to FSU, so we hit it off.
• 34:17
  Speaker 3: He's a cool dude and a maniac at the same time.
• 34:20
  Speaker 3: So we get along great. Gary's a maniac of his own.
• 34:22
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• 35:25
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• 35:40
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• 35:44
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• 35:47
  Speaker 3: Tucker here, hoop, it says this is from two days ago,
• 35:50
  Speaker 3: Mike nuggets, NFL. And they, they only, they don't take
• 35:52
  Speaker 3: anything from beat writers. I'm learning. I talked to these
• 35:55
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• 35:58
  Speaker 3: coaches or players speak. They don't know beat beat writers.
• 36:00
  Speaker 3: You can get that from wherever. And they're all just guessing,
• 36:03
  Speaker 3: but it said this from two days ago. Robinson says
• 36:06
  Speaker 3: Tampa Bay needs to get Sean Tucker and Kenny Gainwell
• 36:09
  Speaker 3: more involved. Zach Robinson says we got to get tuck
• 36:14
  Speaker 3: going some more for sure. Did a great job on
• 36:16
  Speaker 3: that short yard run, carrying the pile for a gain
• 36:18
  Speaker 3: of eight. That was outstanding. And then the line blocked it.
• 36:21
  Speaker 3: You can go read the whole thing there, but title
• 36:23
  Speaker 3: anything else on the Tampa side of, you know, the
• 36:26
  Speaker 3: risk stuff and what, what hoop talked about or who
• 36:28
  Speaker 3: you got something you want to add and go ahead first.
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: Just the one thing I was going to add is
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: this is great when we're talking for the showdown site, these,
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: this little bit of information, but imagine being, involved in
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: an organization, right? An NFL team or this guy, I'm
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: assuming is relatively high up and thinking that getting Sean
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: Tucker and Kenny Gainwell more involved in your offense is
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: going to lead to more success for your team. Like,
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: you know, you're fucked at that point, right? Like, you know,
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: you know, it's, you know, it's game over.
• 36:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 36:57
  Speaker 3: It makes it tricky. What do you think?
• 37:02
  Speaker 4: All I see is Tyler Goodson has a higher rushing
• 37:04
  Speaker 4: prop than Sean Tucker and Kenny Gainwell. Now, again, that's
• 37:09
  Speaker 4: just rushing yards. The pass catching is more of a
• 37:11
  Speaker 4: game while the touchdown equity is on those guys' side. But, yeah,
• 37:15
  Speaker 4: I mean, I think that shows. I like Goodson a
• 37:17
  Speaker 4: ton today. I think he has multiple outs to get there.
• 37:19
  Speaker 4: But that shows a lot when he has a higher
• 37:21
  Speaker 4: rushing prop than those two.
• 37:23
  Speaker 3: I'll let you go on wide receiver in a second.
• 37:25
  Speaker 3: But I think, again, sometimes we just say things, then
• 37:27
  Speaker 3: I think about things in my way. And the way
• 37:29
  Speaker 3: I'm thinking about what you just said is actually critical
• 37:31
  Speaker 3: probably because if you look at it, It's when we
• 37:33
  Speaker 3: get to wide receiver here in a second, the $ 2, 800
• 37:35
  Speaker 3: Teddy Hurst. pretty good ownership on him versus the others.
• 37:40
  Speaker 3: Tez Johnson is the guy they're thinking about right behind him.
• 37:43
  Speaker 3: Nobody's really on Sean Tucker. So you could argue like
• 37:46
  Speaker 3: that could be the way over there. But to me,
• 37:48
  Speaker 3: it's also the other side. If you need to flip
• 37:50
  Speaker 3: the build a little bit, it's like any lineup that's
• 37:53
  Speaker 3: using Tez or Teddy Hurst could be Goodson finishing out
• 37:58
  Speaker 3: the running back conversation, letting you take over for wide receiver.
• 38:00
  Speaker 3: So sometimes that can work in your favor if you
• 38:03
  Speaker 3: do find something like that. Obviously it could be Sean
• 38:05
  Speaker 3: Tucker for a little bit more money then those guys
• 38:07
  Speaker 3: are right in between them. But I like that from
• 38:10
  Speaker 3: the Goodson perspective and then putting it in with the
• 38:13
  Speaker 3: prop as well. So good call out there. Take us
• 38:15
  Speaker 3: into wide receiver.
• 38:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I just saw this comment.
• 38:19
  Speaker 4: Hey, I still do think he's dust, but I mean,
• 38:21
  Speaker 4: you don't want to watch a show when no one
• 38:22
  Speaker 4: has any takes and conviction.
• 38:24
  Speaker 2: I mean, we're going to be wrong so many times.
• 38:25
  Speaker 2: We can't see the future.
• 38:27
  Speaker 4: If I did as much as I love what I do,
• 38:29
  Speaker 4: I would not be on here because I'd have all
• 38:31
  Speaker 4: the money and not tell anyone what would happen.
• 38:33
  Speaker 2: So. Just wanted to say that.
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: Speak poorly about Rasheed Rice as well. You know, it's
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: the same, same title.
• 38:37
  Speaker 3: You got him injured title. You got Rice.
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah. You took my guy down. All your negativity took
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: him down.
• 38:43
  Speaker 4: The guy is so good and he works so hard
• 38:46
  Speaker 4: in the off season. He can't run an end around
• 38:48
  Speaker 4: or whatever it was. He pulls his hand.
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: There's a tough off season for him. You know, he
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: had a lot going on.
• 38:52
  Speaker 4: That's what I was trying to tell you. He wasn't,
• 38:54
  Speaker 4: he's not locked in, but you can't victory lap an injury.
• 38:57
  Speaker 4: My guy was way worse all games. So I can't
• 39:00
  Speaker 4: say a word. As far as receiver, uh, I mean,
• 39:03
  Speaker 4: I think Godwin Urbuka, the worst plays on the slate
• 39:05
  Speaker 4: by a mile. I can imagine paying that price to
• 39:08
  Speaker 4: pay up to be contrarian. Sure, it's not for me.
• 39:11
  Speaker 4: Give me the value at wide receiver. Ted Hurst, Ted Johnson,
• 39:14
  Speaker 4: Ryan Flournoy, Kevontae Turpin. If I want to play Seedy, Pickens, Dak, Kevontae,
• 39:19
  Speaker 4: a captain, we play a salary-based game and we need
• 39:22
  Speaker 4: salary savings.
• 39:23
  Speaker 2: So I mentioned Sean Tucker.
• 39:25
  Speaker 4: I mentioned Goodson, Ted Hurst, and all Tez Johnson, Turpin, $ 1, 200,
• 39:31
  Speaker 4: get some design plays. Flournoy's my favorite though. I mean,
• 39:34
  Speaker 4: one of these games, he's out there a ton. It
• 39:36
  Speaker 4: just hasn't connected yet, but he has so many opportunities.
• 39:39
  Speaker 4: Hoping today is the day. You can leave plenty of
• 39:42
  Speaker 4: money going from I mean, you can go Pickens to Florida. No,
• 39:46
  Speaker 4: it's a one-game slate. Is it my favorite way? No,
• 39:48
  Speaker 4: but it's something if you want to win 500K by yourself. Yeah,
• 39:52
  Speaker 4: like Pickens and CD are fine. Again, Buka, Godwin, absolutely
• 39:56
  Speaker 4: no thank you. It is interesting, though, because everyone is–
• 39:59
  Speaker 4: like Ted Hurst is everyone's boy. Last week it finally flipped, though.
• 40:03
  Speaker 4: Tez Johnson out-snapped Hurst 35-25. The weeks prior, it was
• 40:08
  Speaker 4: Hurst playing about three times more snaps than So that's
• 40:12
  Speaker 4: just something interesting to note. I think Tez Johnson, a
• 40:15
  Speaker 4: little more interesting at lower ownership than her seeing that.
• 40:18
  Speaker 2: But I like all of these these cheapies.
• 40:20
  Speaker 4: Again, I'm playing studs up top, so I need cheap players.
• 40:23
  Speaker 4: And that's definitely where I'm going. Kabuka Godwin. I mean,
• 40:26
  Speaker 4: I can get made fun of, but the worst plays
• 40:28
  Speaker 4: on the slate, in my opinion.
• 40:30
  Speaker 3: Our chat is so good. We said hard to be
• 40:32
  Speaker 3: locked in when you're locked up. And then Andrew said
• 40:34
  Speaker 3: the only thing good at rice is good at running
• 40:36
  Speaker 3: away from.
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: That's how he gets, that's how he gets his off
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: season workouts in.
• 40:42
  Speaker 3: Does anybody care about this one either? Like what, what
• 40:44
  Speaker 3: just happened?
• 40:45
  Speaker 2: I don't even think, I think he's done. He might
• 40:47
  Speaker 2: be dust.
• 40:48
  Speaker 3: One of you two said it on Sunday and he
• 40:49
  Speaker 3: most means nothing. Yeah. It was like that. That's just whatever. Like,
• 40:54
  Speaker 3: I don't know the more interesting guy coming from a
• 40:56
  Speaker 3: Pittsburgh team that I'd be talking about. Somebody mentioned up
• 40:59
  Speaker 3: top there and I know we moved off it, but
• 41:01
  Speaker 3: I actually thought that was a little bit somewhat interesting
• 41:03
  Speaker 3: from our projections and ownership and all that type of
• 41:05
  Speaker 3: stuff is if you were going to try and split
• 41:07
  Speaker 3: the middle on it, I actually think Gainwell would be
• 41:09
  Speaker 3: the one that's a little bit more interesting just because
• 41:11
  Speaker 3: he has shown capability, whether or not that matters in
• 41:14
  Speaker 3: a game like this or against this team or whatever
• 41:16
  Speaker 3: that might be. But I think he's interesting at more
• 41:18
  Speaker 3: than half the price. He's good.
• 41:20
  Speaker 2: He just hasn't played more than 50% of snaps. There's
• 41:23
  Speaker 2: three guys they want to mix in.
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: Their team is complete dog shit at this point. I mean,
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: when your team is not good, it's, it's difficult for,
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: you know, secondary offensive pieces to, to do anything. I mean,
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: the team has been horrible.
• 41:37
  Speaker 3: JPJ, he does got a couple of J's in that
• 41:39
  Speaker 3: name though, for those that know the inside joke.
• 41:41
  Speaker 1: That's one thing that, man, I'll just continue to, to
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: harp on. And I think all three of us kind
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: of do. It's like these top, not even the top
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: wide receivers, like mediocre wide receivers can just beat good cornerbacks.
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: Like there's such an advantage the way, the way the
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: NFL set up. It's just like, they are, there's very
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: few guys. I don't even know the guys title. You
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: do a better job of knowing the absolute like lockdown guys.
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: Like I don't even know who they are, but it's
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: very few and far between where I'm like, Dan, he
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: might be matched up with this dude. I got to
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: stay away. It just don't like, that's one thing I
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: would just beat in everyone's head. Just don't even, We.
• 42:18
  Speaker 2: Lost one in Sertan last week.
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah. And these guys, they all move around so much.
• 42:22
  Speaker 1: The top dudes are all over the field. They're in
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: the slot. Some are in the backfield. Like Puka's in
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: the backfield sometimes. They had CD in the backfield. So
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: they're all over.
• 42:33
  Speaker 3: Yeah, definitely agree with that. The Flournoy call I really
• 42:37
  Speaker 3: like too here, actually, because I think Dak, one, I
• 42:40
  Speaker 3: agree with you earlier. I could see CD and him
• 42:42
  Speaker 3: flipping a little bit if we get the 2017 flip-flop.
• 42:45
  Speaker 3: I agree that's very likely or possible at least. But
• 42:48
  Speaker 3: if you got Dak up top, it's so easy to
• 42:51
  Speaker 3: afford Lamb in the flex on this slate. And I'm
• 42:55
  Speaker 3: not talking about leaving Lamb down to Flournoy. I'm just
• 42:57
  Speaker 3: saying building differently or whatever it might be. But I
• 42:59
  Speaker 3: definitely think there's an opportunity to have like a Pickens-Flournoy
• 43:03
  Speaker 3: in the flex and then see how you want to
• 43:05
  Speaker 3: fill it out from there. Because yes, you'll probably end
• 43:07
  Speaker 3: up leaving money. But remember, everybody that does that is like,
• 43:10
  Speaker 3: oh man, but 4,500 left? I can just move Pickens
• 43:13
  Speaker 3: up to Lamb. Yeah, you just did the same thing
• 43:15
  Speaker 3: everybody else did. You just have to get comfortable being
• 43:18
  Speaker 3: uncomfortable and move on. And I know it's tricky when
• 43:20
  Speaker 3: you're hand building. He's like, oh, just click, click. I
• 43:22
  Speaker 3: got the money. Think of that as like removing money
• 43:26
  Speaker 3: from your $ 500, 000 pool up top. That's what you just
• 43:30
  Speaker 3: did essentially. It's like you said, I don't want 500.
• 43:33
  Speaker 3: You guys watch all these beast game shows and Mr.
• 43:35
  Speaker 3: Beast videos and stuff. It's like you are, when you're
• 43:37
  Speaker 3: doing that and then maxing out your lineup with the
• 43:39
  Speaker 3: same construction and all the money used, you're saying like, yeah,
• 43:42
  Speaker 3: I want to live in this grocery store for two years,
• 43:45
  Speaker 3: but take half the money away too. You don't want
• 43:47
  Speaker 3: to do that. If you're going to make this effort
• 43:49
  Speaker 3: and put this money on the line, try and win
• 43:51
  Speaker 3: it all. Not saying you got to be that crazy,
• 43:53
  Speaker 3: but we're just noting it. It's on like a one
• 43:54
  Speaker 3: game slate. You could see the lineup set up differently
• 43:57
  Speaker 3: and you don't have to just leave all the money,
• 43:59
  Speaker 3: but you could just build without lamb in the flex
• 44:02
  Speaker 3: with Dak up top, have Flournoy Pickens and then see
• 44:04
  Speaker 3: where it goes from there. On the Tampa side for me, Hoop,
• 44:07
  Speaker 3: and then I'll kick it over to you. He did
• 44:09
  Speaker 3: lean Daniels on Godwin quite a bit, but two titles point.
• 44:14
  Speaker 3: It's the pricing on these guys and what they need
• 44:16
  Speaker 3: to achieve for those prices. Anything can happen. They'll be
• 44:19
  Speaker 3: in the pool and mix them in. But I am
• 44:22
  Speaker 3: more likely to go to Teddy Hurst and Tez Johnson
• 44:25
  Speaker 3: down there, even Kate Otten when we get to it
• 44:27
  Speaker 3: next at tight end. And in a lot of cases,
• 44:29
  Speaker 3: that would be where I am just leaving that money
• 44:31
  Speaker 3: because it's not really about the money. It's just if
• 44:33
  Speaker 3: I only think one or two of them are going
• 44:35
  Speaker 3: to perform, then I want the ones that I think
• 44:37
  Speaker 3: are going to do it and have me a chance
• 44:38
  Speaker 3: to win the most money when doing it. So could
• 44:41
  Speaker 3: see both those guys, Teddy Hurst and Tez Johnson, being
• 44:44
  Speaker 3: in the mix. I like where their price is at
• 44:46
  Speaker 3: on the slate. And in a lot of cases, you
• 44:47
  Speaker 3: are going to be leaving money on the table by
• 44:49
  Speaker 3: doing it. So fits all my criteria. Hoop, what do
• 44:51
  Speaker 3: you got at wide receiver?
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah, this is, now we're talking my language. Our guy
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: Nick Cat, Aubrey going to score more fantasy points than
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: Igbuka and Godwin combined? I actually think there's a chance
• 45:04
  Speaker 1: that that happens. I know it's a hot take, but like,
• 45:06
  Speaker 1: I think Aubrey could get 15 easily in this game.
• 45:10
  Speaker 1: And those guys could get like, seven and seven or
• 45:13
  Speaker 1: seven and six. I think there's a legit chance that happened.
• 45:16
  Speaker 3: So that's like a good bet though. I don't know
• 45:18
  Speaker 3: what the odds would be on that.
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: I mean, yeah. What would the odds be?
• 45:21
  Speaker 2: It'd be the question.
• 45:21
  Speaker 1: Obviously it's heavily in favor of.
• 45:24
  Speaker 2: I mean, what's the math.
• 45:27
  Speaker 4: If you got them combined project of like 17 and
• 45:29
  Speaker 4: a half versus 10.
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 45:32
  Speaker 3: What do we got here?
• 45:33
  Speaker 1: Minus seven and a half. So minus seven and a
• 45:35
  Speaker 1: half favor, right. Are we thinking about this? Right. So
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: that's like minus 300 minus 400.
• 45:39
  Speaker 2: Something in that range. Yeah.
• 45:42
  Speaker 1: Actually, so pull up, what's the Texans, what are their
• 45:46
  Speaker 1: win odds? They're minus what? They're minus seven and a half.
• 45:49
  Speaker 2: Seven and a half are the Jags' favorite. Minus 345.
• 45:51
  Speaker 2: So four to one. Yeah, four to one about.
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: Seems fair. Seems fair. Okay.
• 45:56
  Speaker 3: Does anybody want that?
• 45:57
  Speaker 2: I don't. I don't either.
• 46:00
  Speaker 4: But I mean, the receiving props, 33 and a half
• 46:03
  Speaker 4: for Godwin, like 32 and a, it's just, it's terrible
• 46:06
  Speaker 4: at their price. But again, if you play it, when
• 46:08
  Speaker 4: you win, how much you win, if you're on them today, like,
• 46:11
  Speaker 4: Don't let us not have you play it. Like I'm
• 46:13
  Speaker 4: not going to have zero, maybe, maybe I'll like 5%.
• 46:16
  Speaker 4: Your lineup should all tell the story though. But man, it's,
• 46:19
  Speaker 4: it's tough.
• 46:20
  Speaker 3: Every time you don't play them though, it goes to
• 46:21
  Speaker 3: Hoops point earlier with the Bucky stuff. It's like, anytime
• 46:23
  Speaker 3: you're not on them, you're getting more of what you
• 46:25
  Speaker 3: want in there. And that's more towards what you're comfortable
• 46:28
  Speaker 3: with and happy with how it pays out and all
• 46:30
  Speaker 3: that type of thing. So it really does. it is
• 46:32
  Speaker 3: a game, right? Like we always talk about, it's a
• 46:33
  Speaker 3: puzzle and how you're putting it together. It should make sense.
• 46:36
  Speaker 3: If you're not interested as much in those guys, then
• 46:38
  Speaker 3: you can allocate that somewhere else or to different build styles,
• 46:42
  Speaker 3: styles as well. So, um, the thing is if Aubrey
• 46:45
  Speaker 3: scores 15, 20 points, I don't know, it'd be, what's
• 46:47
  Speaker 3: that mean for the rest of the guys might still
• 46:49
  Speaker 3: not matter to be honest. It might be just fine.
• 46:51
  Speaker 3: So yeah, we'll see how it goes.
• 46:53
  Speaker 1: Uh, yeah, not much more to add, like on the
• 46:56
  Speaker 1: Dallas side, CD pickings, uh, or noise, just like, uh,
• 47:02
  Speaker 1: in the class of his own in terms of like
• 47:04
  Speaker 1: wide receivers threes in this league, there's not many like
• 47:07
  Speaker 1: wide receiver threes that get as much action as this
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: guy does. Like title said, he's always on the field.
• 47:12
  Speaker 1: It's not like we see a lot of these guys
• 47:15
  Speaker 1: that are always on the field and they're literally just
• 47:16
  Speaker 1: out there running sprints and getting exercise. This guy gets
• 47:20
  Speaker 1: targets four, six, eight, five. Right. And he hasn't had
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: the massive game. But he doesn't need the massive game.
• 47:27
  Speaker 1: Like if you're playing him in flex, I mean, might
• 47:29
  Speaker 1: need him just to get 10, 11, 12 fantasy points.
• 47:32
  Speaker 1: And he's going to pop off for a massive game,
• 47:34
  Speaker 1: like Title said, at some point this season. This offense
• 47:36
  Speaker 1: just passes way too much. So in DAC captain teams,
• 47:41
  Speaker 1: I think he's a phenomenal, phenomenal play. And then one
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: last random cheapie, Turpin as well. I'd include Turpin in
• 47:50
  Speaker 1: my player pool, DAC captain teams. $ 1, 200, he's out there.
• 47:56
  Speaker 1: And they run gimmicky stuff for him too, which is
• 47:59
  Speaker 1: very important. If he's on the field, it's probably some
• 48:03
  Speaker 1: sort of gimmicky play and he can take it to
• 48:05
  Speaker 1: the house. I love him as a full punt. And
• 48:10
  Speaker 1: I do think Igbuka and Goblin have a chance to
• 48:12
  Speaker 1: be even higher owned than what we're showing because people
• 48:16
  Speaker 1: are just going to be able to spend that money.
• 48:19
  Speaker 1: And there's not much in that range in terms of salary,
• 48:22
  Speaker 1: so they might just settle with those guys. I mean,
• 48:24
  Speaker 1: we're showing 20 for Ibuka, 20 for Godwin. It really
• 48:27
  Speaker 1: could be like 25-ish range or something like that, and
• 48:30
  Speaker 1: I hope it's up there because I have no interest.
• 48:33
  Speaker 1: I'll definitely just take my chances on the cheapies, Hurst
• 48:36
  Speaker 1: and Tez Johnson. And, again, if you're building a team,
• 48:39
  Speaker 1: we kind of talked about it at running back, but
• 48:41
  Speaker 1: I think it's even more applicable here. If you're building
• 48:43
  Speaker 1: a team and you end up on Ibuka or you
• 48:46
  Speaker 1: end up on Godwin, be all right just going down
• 48:49
  Speaker 1: to Hurst or Tez Johnson and leaving that money on
• 48:53
  Speaker 1: the table. Someone asked about the $ 50, 000. In showdown, if
• 48:57
  Speaker 1: you're new to the show, they're never going to say
• 49:00
  Speaker 1: that you have to spend all the salary. You can
• 49:02
  Speaker 1: leave tons. Tambo was saying $ 10, 000. It's such a different
• 49:07
  Speaker 1: game than the main slate where you're leaving a lot
• 49:10
  Speaker 1: on the table. If you're leaving big chunks of salary
• 49:13
  Speaker 1: on the table, you're probably leaving too much on the table.
• 49:16
  Speaker 1: and showdown totally different. So be okay making those pivots,
• 49:19
  Speaker 1: but I like the cheapies here a ton.
• 49:23
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 49:23
  Speaker 3: Let's do a quick look ahead for Sunday. Cause the
• 49:25
  Speaker 3: chat brought up a funny name there. You know, your
• 49:28
  Speaker 3: boy Tesla who right now, if you had to choose
• 49:31
  Speaker 3: for Sunday in this Detroit, Arizona game, would you want,
• 49:34
  Speaker 3: you can only pick one Tesla or born on the
• 49:39
  Speaker 3: other side.
• 49:43
  Speaker 1: I got to stick with my guy, Tesla. I think
• 49:45
  Speaker 1: I just, yeah, Tesla.
• 49:48
  Speaker 3: Okay. What about you title?
• 49:50
  Speaker 4: Probably boring because I think Marv, like his snap shares
• 49:53
  Speaker 4: continue to go down and I think they're about to
• 49:55
  Speaker 4: just pull the plug.
• 49:56
  Speaker 2: So I'm going to, that's a good point.
• 49:57
  Speaker 3: They got to feature them because it's.
• 49:59
  Speaker 1: Still annoying though, man. It's so not featuring.
• 50:01
  Speaker 4: I'm not going to help him with anything that dude,
• 50:03
  Speaker 4: literally anytime you put them on the field, his trade
• 50:06
  Speaker 4: value goes down because he doesn't try.
• 50:07
  Speaker 3: So he had a nice touchdown last week, didn't he?
• 50:10
  Speaker 4: Yeah, he did have a– didn't he do nothing after
• 50:13
  Speaker 4: that touchdown?
• 50:13
  Speaker 1: No, yeah. You can tell they forced it. It all
• 50:15
  Speaker 1: fell into place perfectly.
• 50:16
  Speaker 2: It was like pure luck.
• 50:18
  Speaker 1: They forced it to him early. They wanted to maybe
• 50:20
  Speaker 1: get something going.
• 50:21
  Speaker 4: I will say, Tesla might have watched our show because
• 50:25
  Speaker 4: right when you chirped on week two or whatever, like
• 50:27
  Speaker 4: you started doing something.
• 50:28
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 50:30
  Speaker 1: He makes plays.
• 50:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you didn't chirp him. You chirped his role. No, no, no, no, no.
• 50:33
  Speaker 1: I'm just saying in general, like, the dude makes plays. Like,
• 50:36
  Speaker 1: if you are an offensive coordinator, like, I'd be trying
• 50:39
  Speaker 1: to get the guy the ball. Like, he can make
• 50:41
  Speaker 1: difficult catches. But for the main slit, though, it is
• 50:44
  Speaker 1: annoying because this is the spot I've attacked all year,
• 50:46
  Speaker 1: and it's worked out well. I just– that is going
• 50:49
  Speaker 1: to be the most– probably the most popular spot of forever.
• 50:54
  Speaker 1: I mean, it's like they're– the total in that game,
• 50:56
  Speaker 1: I think, is like, almost 10 higher than anything else
• 50:59
  Speaker 1: on the slate yep.
• 51:01
  Speaker 3: And week five so jaylen daniels had to he has
• 51:04
  Speaker 3: to come back jayden daniels sorry not jaylen he's on
• 51:07
  Speaker 3: jaylen daniels night but jayden had to come back for
• 51:10
  Speaker 3: uh for week five his mom said because he's number
• 51:12
  Speaker 3: five right nobody else can have that he's got to
• 51:14
  Speaker 3: have full control so we'll see how it goes we'll
• 51:16
  Speaker 3: get to that on sunday though let's go to tight
• 51:18
  Speaker 3: end and title i'll kick it over to you the
• 51:20
  Speaker 3: chat mentioned it so we're not quite there yet but
• 51:22
  Speaker 3: Jake Ferguson looking tasty up top in the captain. What
• 51:25
  Speaker 3: do you think about that comment, and what are you
• 51:27
  Speaker 3: doing here at the tight end position?
• 51:29
  Speaker 2: I don't love it.
• 51:30
  Speaker 4: I like Flournoy more than Ferguson for a good bit cheaper,
• 51:33
  Speaker 4: and I very well might just play Dak, Gervonta, Seedy, Pickens, Flournoy,
• 51:38
  Speaker 4: and then maybe a little Daniels. I'm going to keep
• 51:39
  Speaker 4: it more condensed. I'm fine with him in the flex.
• 51:42
  Speaker 4: Kay Dotton looks good. I wouldn't be surprised, though, if
• 51:44
  Speaker 4: he caught a little steam just because you have to
• 51:47
  Speaker 4: play someone on the Buccaneers.
• 51:49
  Speaker 2: And he's 4,400.
• 51:50
  Speaker 4: He pretty much has the same receiving prop as Godwin
• 51:53
  Speaker 4: and Ibuka for way less. So I like him. I'm
• 51:56
  Speaker 4: a little worried with steam, but I'm going to play some.
• 51:58
  Speaker 4: But after that, I mean, it's this one of the
• 52:01
  Speaker 4: worst tight end slates after that. Like no one really
• 52:03
  Speaker 4: plays outside of Kate Otten on the Buccaneers. And then
• 52:06
  Speaker 4: for the Cowboys, Spanford and Schoonmaker. But like they're like
• 52:10
  Speaker 4: the 15th option when they're out there. Like I don't
• 52:12
  Speaker 4: think 1.8 is really enough.
• 52:14
  Speaker 2: Give me.
• 52:15
  Speaker 4: Tez Johnson, Hurst, Turpin when he's on the field, Sean Tucker, Goodson.
• 52:21
  Speaker 4: Tight end room's really weak in my opinion. You're playing
• 52:23
  Speaker 4: the starters.
• 52:24
  Speaker 2: They're fine. I don't love it. I like Otten, but again,
• 52:27
  Speaker 2: I'm worried that he does get a little steam.
• 52:29
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't got any Instagram accounts to show off
• 52:31
  Speaker 3: this week for tight end. I can tell you that much,
• 52:33
  Speaker 3: but this would be where I would say just to
• 52:35
  Speaker 3: those earlier, and Hoop brought one up at wide receiver,
• 52:37
  Speaker 3: and I'll go to tight end with him in a second,
• 52:39
  Speaker 3: but with Turpin or the Spanfords of the world, the Durams,
• 52:43
  Speaker 3: those guys, that's where you would see my, my lineup
• 52:46
  Speaker 3: construction probably spend more money, right? If I'm bringing a
• 52:49
  Speaker 3: one percenter into the mix, it's like, maybe it is
• 52:51
  Speaker 3: a 49 five or a 49 six or something. You'll
• 52:54
  Speaker 3: just see that because then I'm not as worried about it.
• 52:56
  Speaker 3: Obviously when you're putting somebody that's just so low own,
• 52:59
  Speaker 3: but also remember you get a zero out of those
• 53:01
  Speaker 3: guys a lot of the time too. So got to
• 53:03
  Speaker 3: think about that when you're doing it and make it
• 53:04
  Speaker 3: make sense at least, but who I'll go to you,
• 53:06
  Speaker 3: anything else to add at tight end between Otten and
• 53:08
  Speaker 3: Ferguson or any thoughts there?
• 53:11
  Speaker 1: It's just Ferguson, Otten.
• 53:13
  Speaker 2: And I like Otten quite a bit.
• 53:17
  Speaker 1: Out of all the Tampa guys, just give me the
• 53:20
  Speaker 1: cheapest guy. And I guess I hope title's wrong in
• 53:25
  Speaker 1: terms of the ownership coming up. Because all those guys
• 53:28
  Speaker 1: are right. Now it seems pretty clear. All those guys
• 53:31
  Speaker 1: are going to be between 20% and 25%. Bucky, Godwin, Otten.
• 53:35
  Speaker 1: and uh ibuka and otten probably going to be right
• 53:39
  Speaker 1: in that range and i hope that remains true because
• 53:42
  Speaker 1: i mean he legitimately has like in my eyes similar
• 53:46
  Speaker 1: fantasy output of all of them and he's much cheaper
• 53:49
  Speaker 1: and again another way to to build some lineups and
• 53:53
  Speaker 1: leave a lot of salary on the table where you're
• 53:54
  Speaker 1: just taking out bucky or you're taking out ibuka and
• 53:56
  Speaker 1: you're just putting in otten like you see it all
• 53:59
  Speaker 1: the time with these young quarterbacks like it's just been
• 54:02
  Speaker 1: proven like Where are they looking? Like, there's a reason
• 54:05
  Speaker 1: why Godwin got a lot of attention because he's running
• 54:07
  Speaker 1: those small little routes. Like, and the tight ends are
• 54:10
  Speaker 1: right there, too. So, like, Otten, I think, is a
• 54:13
  Speaker 1: phenomenal play on the slate. And I hope it remains
• 54:17
  Speaker 1: right around, what do we have it at? We have
• 54:20
  Speaker 1: it at 20. It's probably more like 25. And I'm
• 54:23
  Speaker 1: fine with that. Like, I think he's by far the
• 54:24
  Speaker 1: best Tampa play on the slate when you factor everything
• 54:28
  Speaker 1: into it.
• 54:29
  Speaker 3: Yeah, one thing I'll think about just conceptually on a
• 54:31
  Speaker 3: slate like this and a game like this with the
• 54:33
  Speaker 3: totals and that, Ferguson is usually involved in big boy games.
• 54:37
  Speaker 3: We saw it when our man Rio almost won the Millie.
• 54:39
  Speaker 3: That was a big, high-scoring game. So if that's the case, again,
• 54:43
  Speaker 3: it could be a high scoring five, one, I guess,
• 54:45
  Speaker 3: you know, it can definitely get to that route with,
• 54:47
  Speaker 3: you know, that's have a route with the Buccaneers here,
• 54:49
  Speaker 3: but I'm just noting it is like, if people are
• 54:51
  Speaker 3: loving him in the captain, they're saying all this stuff
• 54:52
  Speaker 3: could work out. It's like, then it would kind of
• 54:54
  Speaker 3: be that or not as much for me. And I
• 54:56
  Speaker 3: think there will be a lot of lineups just looking
• 54:58
  Speaker 3: at this that have Ferguson and one of Hearst or
• 55:02
  Speaker 3: Tez or something cheap on the other side. And if
• 55:05
  Speaker 3: it's actually going to be that type of five, one,
• 55:07
  Speaker 3: pretty much any lineup that has Ferguson in the flex
• 55:09
  Speaker 3: with a cheap Tampa Bay receiver is could be the
• 55:14
  Speaker 3: setup where you have like a or an Otten or an,
• 55:18
  Speaker 3: or a Godwin and have Goodson in the lineup on
• 55:21
  Speaker 3: the other side, it would actually make more sense to
• 55:23
  Speaker 3: be honest for a five one, but that would be
• 55:26
  Speaker 3: what one fifth by the looks of it from ownership.
• 55:28
  Speaker 3: Like that's just not going to be a popular combo.
• 55:30
  Speaker 3: So the way you can kind of flip the build
• 55:32
  Speaker 3: title even might like it with, um, you know, Ted
• 55:35
  Speaker 3: Hurst and Goodson instead of the money to go up
• 55:37
  Speaker 3: to a Buka or Godwin. And that's an example where
• 55:39
  Speaker 3: you're leaving the money, but it's still, you're telling the
• 55:40
  Speaker 3: story in a way that could probably make more sense
• 55:43
  Speaker 3: for As opposed to the other situation that people are
• 55:45
  Speaker 3: looking at just to play it, to play it. Cause
• 55:47
  Speaker 3: it's the big name they know and, and recognize and
• 55:50
  Speaker 3: why not put them in there, right? I'm already on, um,
• 55:52
  Speaker 3: Dak or I'm already on Javante or something like that.
• 55:54
  Speaker 3: So they just automatically put Ferguson in. You could just
• 55:57
  Speaker 3: flip the bill a little bit that way. So not
• 55:59
  Speaker 3: too much else for me to add there. Um, running
• 56:01
  Speaker 3: backs and D or sorry, um, kickers and defense title
• 56:04
  Speaker 3: to round it out.
• 56:06
  Speaker 4: I mean, yeah, Aubrey's got one of the biggest legs.
• 56:08
  Speaker 4: I mean, man, last week it was I mean, they
• 56:10
  Speaker 4: trust this man so much. It was like a 62
• 56:13
  Speaker 4: yarder that they they let him roll with to give
• 56:16
  Speaker 4: the ball to the Houston with a decent amount of time.
• 56:18
  Speaker 4: It was like 45 seconds or it was a really ball.
• 56:20
  Speaker 1: I remember that play. I was like, damn, I can't
• 56:23
  Speaker 1: believe they're buying.
• 56:24
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 56:25
  Speaker 1: If he misses, it's just 10 yards the other way
• 56:27
  Speaker 1: for 50.
• 56:27
  Speaker 2: For sure.
• 56:28
  Speaker 4: Right before half, like very few coaches would ever do that.
• 56:31
  Speaker 4: And I'm not saying he's dumb. I mean, that's the
• 56:33
  Speaker 4: faith you have in the best kicker in the league.
• 56:35
  Speaker 4: I mean, it didn't work out for him. But yeah,
• 56:37
  Speaker 4: if anyone is willing to make a play like that,
• 56:40
  Speaker 4: I definitely have interest in Aubrey. I have a lot
• 56:42
  Speaker 4: of interest in Cowboys defense. I mean, I don't think
• 56:44
  Speaker 4: this Jalen Daniels guy's very good. He's a running quarterback.
• 56:48
  Speaker 4: So sacks are going to be there. Turnovers are going
• 56:50
  Speaker 4: to be there. Yeah, you can leave money from Godwin, Ibuka, whatever,
• 56:54
  Speaker 4: and play Cowboys defense.
• 56:55
  Speaker 2: I wouldn't be surprised. if they scored double digits today.
• 56:58
  Speaker 4: As far as the other side, I think McLaughlin's my
• 57:01
  Speaker 4: least favorite, just because if I do think they're down
• 57:04
  Speaker 4: a lot early, like you're not going to kick field goals.
• 57:06
  Speaker 4: You're going to need touchdowns and go for it on
• 57:08
  Speaker 4: close decisions. Buccaneers defense. I mean, I guess they're 8%
• 57:13
  Speaker 4: on at 3K. Like it takes one play. So I
• 57:16
  Speaker 4: guess I'll probably just be overweight. Naturally, I'm almost always overweight,
• 57:19
  Speaker 4: underdog defenses, and it never works out. But again, when
• 57:23
  Speaker 4: it works out, it worked out like three years ago.
• 57:24
  Speaker 4: It felt like almost every single week hasn't really worked
• 57:28
  Speaker 4: out as much lately, but with how bad the Buccaneers.
• 57:31
  Speaker 2: Have been, I don't know. I guess I'll throw it
• 57:33
  Speaker 2: to you this.
• 57:33
  Speaker 4: What do you think on five, one Cowboys builds with
• 57:36
  Speaker 4: Buccaneers defense, just hoping it's like one play or, and
• 57:40
  Speaker 4: like five points is enough because of their pricing. I
• 57:43
  Speaker 4: don't love the idea, but I'm trying to get a,
• 57:45
  Speaker 4: I'm trying to get different than 8% for, I mean,
• 57:49
  Speaker 4: you have every chance they're going to be out there
• 57:50
  Speaker 4: a ton. Like defenses can score points at any time
• 57:54
  Speaker 4: during the game. It takes one place.
• 57:55
  Speaker 2: So. I'm going to play some, but McLaughlin's my least
• 57:58
  Speaker 2: favorite for sure.
• 57:58
  Speaker 3: I was going to say, I think it's, again, it's
• 58:00
  Speaker 3: two grand in the difference. So it's not really, you know,
• 58:02
  Speaker 3: comparable for me, but I would, I would say they're
• 58:05
  Speaker 3: the bucks are more likely to kick field goals when
• 58:07
  Speaker 3: they should definitely not be kicking field goals that he
• 58:10
  Speaker 3: could be the one that might be on a five,
• 58:11
  Speaker 3: one with McLaughlin and you're the, his, you can't spell
• 58:14
  Speaker 3: his name without laughing. And we'll just be the ones
• 58:16
  Speaker 3: laughing at them because they're kicking field goals when it's
• 58:19
  Speaker 3: like the dumbest spots. I forget who the team was
• 58:21
  Speaker 3: on Sunday, obviously under the weather. So I don't remember much,
• 58:24
  Speaker 3: but it was like, Man, one team finally did it.
• 58:27
  Speaker 3: They were like going for it when they were supposed
• 58:28
  Speaker 3: to and like not doing stupid shit. And I was like, yeah,
• 58:31
  Speaker 3: just lose big or play proper. That's how you should
• 58:34
  Speaker 3: keep your job and do things right. Because it doesn't matter. Yeah,
• 58:37
  Speaker 3: you're going to lose some games. Like you said, we're
• 58:38
  Speaker 3: going to have takes that are wrong and stuff like that.
• 58:40
  Speaker 3: But you actually play the damn game properly and then
• 58:43
  Speaker 3: see what happens. Don't play just safe and, oh, at
• 58:46
  Speaker 3: least we put a few points on the board. It
• 58:48
  Speaker 3: looks horrible. It looks worse. Yeah. Hoop, anything from you
• 58:51
  Speaker 3: on these? There is like a running joke. I think
• 58:53
  Speaker 3: it's definitely a rumor. The guy's like 6'3, 218 pounds.
• 58:57
  Speaker 3: But did you ever hear the joke on social media
• 58:58
  Speaker 3: that Brandon Aubrey wears a size 7 shoe?
• 59:01
  Speaker 1: I can't imagine that.
• 59:05
  Speaker 3: Jerry Jones doesn't want to extend them because they're not
• 59:07
  Speaker 3: sure if the size seven's gonna hold up that's the
• 59:10
  Speaker 3: the rumor mill anyway.
• 59:11
  Speaker 1: Whatever size his foot is it's clearly working for his
• 59:15
  Speaker 1: uh current uh place of employment because it might be.
• 59:18
  Speaker 3: The secret like big tall yeah frame small.
• 59:21
  Speaker 2: Foot just google that it does say seven.
• 59:23
  Speaker 3: Really like the only three.
• 59:27
  Speaker 2: This kid sticks through with a sledgehammer of a right leg.
• 59:29
  Speaker 2: That's what I'm... Yeah.
• 59:31
  Speaker 1: It's... Easier to square up the football with a smaller
• 59:34
  Speaker 1: foot or something. Who knows?
• 59:35
  Speaker 3: It might be the thing. It might be his cheat code, man.
• 59:37
  Speaker 3: That might be a thing.
• 59:38
  Speaker 1: And don't kickers always wear, like, tighter shoes, right? I
• 59:42
  Speaker 1: think so.
• 59:43
  Speaker 2: Like, almost soccer cleats.
• 59:44
  Speaker 1: Or something like that. Maybe he's really like an eight
• 59:47
  Speaker 1: and a half or something.
• 59:48
  Speaker 2: Where did you see that, Tambo? I know you're.
• 59:51
  Speaker 1: All over the web.
• 59:54
  Speaker 3: I was going to just do a joke, see how
• 59:56
  Speaker 3: big his leg actually is, just to compare. Does he
• 59:59
  Speaker 3: have a big leg or is he just a good kicker?
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 3: But apparently they said this size 7 is a real thing.
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 1: That's wild. That is absolutely wild.
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 3: The Cowboys fans know about that one. They'll probably come
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 3: at me with the rumor mill and all that. Cowboys
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 3: fans can't take a joke usually, but it's okay. We
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 3: still love you. Same.
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 1: I mean, always on Aubrey. I mean, the dude's an
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 1: absolute stud kicker. Anytime, like Title said, they're going to
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 1: kick six in crunch time where you're fucked if he misses,
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 1: like 62 yarder. Like, sign me up for that. I mean, it's...
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 1: That's a good one, Hurricane.
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 2: I was thinking that too.
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 1: Easy hammer.
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 3: Oh, shoot.
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 2: That's good.
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah, just pull it up. I mean, 12, 11, 16
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 1: fantasy points the last three games. So he can put
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 1: up the points.
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 3: Good news is that sample runs deep because Hoop just
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 3: finished telling us we don't want to look at early
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 3: season numbers too much or matchups. But for a kicker game.
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 1: Log, anything goes. Anything goes, man. Give me a half
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 1: a game sample size.
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 2: We need Jordan to put out 30 scores. Then you'll
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 2: read every single number from him.
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 1: All right. Same thing. And I will definitely make sure
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 1: to get some Cowboys defense in there.
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 3: All right. What about FanDuel hoop? While you're looking at
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 3: it here now, I see a Kenny Gainwell goes up
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 3: to $ 7, 000. That's a tough click.
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 1: And the scoring does not fit him there at all.
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 1: That's very difficult. Bucky at 11, two, like Bucky, Bucky's
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 1: my goodness, $ 600 cheaper than Dak where, I mean, like
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 1: on FanDuel, like it favors quarterbacks and, D values past
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 1: catching running back.
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 3: So the MVP on Vandal and just hope it goes
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 3: your way.
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 1: Cause if you're doing it, just do it that way
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 1: for sure. 11 to, I mean, uh, man, that's, uh,
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 1: at the tough click for sure. Um, you know, Chris
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 1: Godwin's probably a tough click over there just because he's
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 1: going to get there by catching a bunch of passes.
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 1: He's eight to a Guka eight, six Gainwell seven K it's, it's,
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 1: it's tough. I mean, again, my favorite is going to be, uh, and, uh,
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 1: You know, he's 5.8K. Flournoy, 5.2, I think is a
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 1: good play. Got some cheapies down there. The kickers are
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 1: priced very fairly. Where's Dallas? So Dallas defense is right
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 1: there with the kickers. So, yeah, it's like the running
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 1: backs for Tampa are very overpriced. Where is Tucker? Tucker
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 1: is even $ 4, 200. $ 4, 200, yeah. It's tough.
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 3: Goodson's only 34 over there. If you want to play
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 3: that angle and like I said, it could favor more.
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 3: If it is a blowout, he gets a touchdown late
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 3: or something like that. It could really add up. But title,
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 3: did you see anything else? Obviously we called out some
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 3: of the big boy, like, like lamb goes 11, eight
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 3: to 12, six from DraftKings to FanDuel with 10 K
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 3: more to spend. Bucky goes 8,400 to 11, two. Like
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 3: that type of stuff's crazy.
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 4: It looks like a pretty similar slate for me where five, one, four,
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 4: two Cowboys will be really heavy. The Buccaneers are going
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 4: to be low owned. I think the, like, Schoonmakers at 1,400,
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 4: Mingo's 1,800, maybe even Span 4, 2,200, Payne Durham, 12. Like,
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 4: I think they're more in play. Like, if all the
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 4: studs really do something. Again, I wouldn't want to leave
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 4: as much money when you are fully punting it there.
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 4: But Foley, Stars, and Scrubs, I think, is a little
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 4: more viable on FanDuel than DraftKings. Just because, yeah, like,
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 4: Sean Tucker, 42, Hurst, 48, Flournoy, 5. Like, these guys
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 4: still have real prices in the mid-tier games. So you
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 4: can save three, four K and that can go a
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 4: long way. There's zero or one point. Like if you're
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 4: going like a CD lamb and a pain Durham who
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 4: gets you zero versus, I don't know again what the
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 4: math is, but something like a Kate Otten and Bucky
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 4: Irving or something like CD by himself can outscore those guys.
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 4: So I think I'd be more willing to include full punts,
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 4: even if you expect a zero, but again, don't leave
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 4: three K off of someone that will be on the
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 4: field versus like hardly will.
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 2: As a 1v1.
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 3: That might be the only thing today, because just especially
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 3: with the way you like the slate, it's like when
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 3: you're over there, if you're not going to be on
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 3: Igbuka at 86 and Godwin at 82 as much, I'm saying,
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 3: and with Bucky being a tough click, it's like you
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 3: might not even need to go that low and you
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 3: might be able to still fit a Tez Johnson or
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 3: a Flournoy or something like that in with the little
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 3: and still leave money because it's only 11-8. I mean,
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 3: if you go up to the captain, I guess it
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 3: gets a little bit more or MVP, I should say,
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 3: it's going to be What would it be? 30 for
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 3: it's 40 K for a Dak MVP with CDM Pickens,
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 3: which let's just say people go that route. You do
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 3: still have 20,000 left though. And if you don't love
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 3: the Tampa Bay side, it's, you might not even have
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 3: to do that, but definitely a really good point for
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 3: FanDuel in general that people don't do enough over there,
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 3: but that's how you get to the unique lineups. And
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 3: sometimes you just need that extra stud. If you can
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 3: fit them in and if you get anything out of your,
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 3: your punt even better, then you're in really good shape. So,
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 3: all right. Any other final thoughts from your title before
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 3: we get out of here?
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 2: No, I mean, it's not really the most exciting game
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 2: in the world.
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 4: Like, I mean, big favorites, like everyone seems to be
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 4: on the same thing, but I mean, something that for MMA,
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 4: like I always love MMA and look at the odds.
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 4: We just had a 20 minus 2,600 favorite lose like
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 4: two weeks ago.
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 2: Right now you're locked.
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 1: Absolutely rocked.
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 2: So right now, plus three 80, the Buccaneers are on
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 2: the money line. That's 20% chance to win.
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 4: And it, If you've played poker, anything with odds, like
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 4: 20% is still there. One in five times, the Buccaneers
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 4: will win. So everything that we've shit on and all
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 4: this on the show, just know that in the back
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 4: of your head, if you have four Buccaneers and two
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 4: Cowboys or even three, three or whatever that way, and
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 4: you want to, you don't agree with us. And our take, again,
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 4: it sounds like all of us are more on the
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 4: leaf salary. Um, think the Buccaneers, like the 20% that
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 4: people will play will be dead.
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 2: All of that.
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 4: You can take it the other approach when you just
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 4: look at numbers, um, Buccaneers have a 20% chance to
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 4: win this game, which yeah, people will, how we talk
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 4: and how like I even am thinking and acting like it,
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 4: it feels like it's like a 5% or 10%, but
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 4: books are very efficient on the numbers.
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 2: So yeah, I just wanted to mention that, but yeah,
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 2: good luck.
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 3: Hoops over there loading up the Wong teasers early, starting
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 3: with the Knights game. He got a home favorite, just
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 3: great spot, you know, run that thing down and just
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 3: jam it with every other one on the main slate.
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 3: Am I right, Hoop?
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah, big-time implications for Survivor as well. I mean, I
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 1: know a lot of people are going to be on Dallas,
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 1: but we've seen this spot on Thursday. People are hesitant
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 1: to kind of go super all-in on these Thursday teams,
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 1: so the ownership has been a little bit lower, like
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 1: we saw with the Packers a few weeks ago. I
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 1: lost a couple teams on that, but it was Thursday night,
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 1: and I thought they'd be way more popular than they
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 1: ended up being, so I'm curious to see tonight on Dallas.
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 1: I mean, this is clearly their best spot of the season.
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 1: I know a lot of people will be there. I'm
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 1: going to be playing some Dallas, so see how that goes.
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 1: But yeah, excited to get, where are we at? Week five.
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 1: It's moving. So excited to get week five started. And yeah,
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 1: we'll be back, obviously, Sunday morning. Main slate, big main slate,
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 1: and a lot of talking points for that one. We
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 1: kind of touched on it a little bit, but Dallas, Arizona.
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 1: I mean, 55 total. The next closest is, did I
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 1: say Dallas?
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you can't say Dallas.
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 1: Detroit, Arizona.
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 3: Your real team, Detroit.
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah. Then my other team, 55 total. The next
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 1: closest is like nine points. So that's going to be
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 1: a massive talking point for Sunday. So make sure to
• 1:07:27
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• 1:07:29
  Speaker 3: Mrs. Hoop, man, she's the best. But Hoop's over there
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 3: talking about the mistress and the wife. He's dropping the
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 3: Dallas in with the Detroit with the double whammy. So
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 3: you got to be careful over there, Hoop.
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 2: Come on.
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 3: It's going to be a good slate, though, on Sunday.
• 1:07:40
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• 1:07:43
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