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13-year-old cheerleader stabbed dead, classmate charged · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: A thirteen year old little girl seemingly vanishes into thin air,
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Speaker 1: a little cheerleader eighth grade or Tristan Bailey. Then a
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Speaker 1: twist in the case. Christin Bailey was reported missing by
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Speaker 1: her family on Sunday morning. Hours later, her body was
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Speaker 1: found in a wooded area near her neighborhood. The medical
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Speaker 1: examiner says she was stabbed to debt. You were just
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Speaker 1: hearing our friend Jennifer Redi at WJXT News for Jacksonville.
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Speaker 1: Let me introduce you an all star panel to somehow
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Speaker 1: makes sense of this. First of all, James Shelna, twenty
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Speaker 1: seven years metro major case detective, now lawyer, and you
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Speaker 1: can find him at Shelna Law Firm dot com. Doctor
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Speaker 1: Susan Lipkin's renowned psychologists joining us. Author of preventing hazing
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Speaker 1: at sidhasing dot com. Doctor Tim Gallagher, the medical examiner
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Speaker 1: for the entire state of Florida. You can find him
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Speaker 1: at pathcaretmed dot com. Cheryl McCollum, director of the Coldcase
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Speaker 1: Research Institute, forensic expert at Coldcasecrimes dot org. But first
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Speaker 1: out to Ray Kaputo, lead anchor WDBO. Ray, thank you
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Speaker 1: for joining us. I don't understand where exactly this happened
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Speaker 1: and what part at the news reports are out of Jacksonville.
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Speaker 1: But this did not happen in Jacksonville proper, did it. No, Nancy,
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Speaker 1: has happened in Saint John's County, which is south of Jacksonville.
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Speaker 1: It's an absolutely gorgeous part of the state. And Tristan
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Speaker 1: Balley lived in a neighborhood that was nestled between the
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Speaker 1: Saint John's River in I ninety five. It was a
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Speaker 1: really quiet neighborhood. It was a safe neighborhood. In fact,
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Speaker 1: you know, Tristan was only thirteen, but this was late
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Speaker 1: Saturday night, early Sunday morning into Mother's Day and she
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Speaker 1: was out late hanging out at a community center in
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Speaker 1: her neighborhood. You know, Cheryl McCollum. That reminds me so
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Speaker 1: much of growing up in rural Georgia. We had the
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Speaker 1: Rutland Community Center and that was the thing in the
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Speaker 1: middle of nowhere. I mean you had to drive thirty
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Speaker 1: minutes to get to McDonald's, let me just put it
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Speaker 1: that way, but we could walk back and forth. It
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Speaker 1: was a good little trek to the Rutland Community Center.
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Speaker 1: My brother played in a rock band, the Reflections, and
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Speaker 1: that was it on a Saturday night to walk to
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Speaker 1: the community Rutland Community Center, and nobody thought anything about
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Speaker 1: at Cheryl Nancy. This particular community center is inside her neighborhood.
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Speaker 1: That's where the swimming pool is, the tennis courts. I
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Speaker 1: am certain these you know, her parents thought she was safe.
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Speaker 1: She was hanging out with kids she's grown up with
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Speaker 1: and lives next door to. You know, a lot of
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Speaker 1: finger pointing has been going on at the family, at
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Speaker 1: other people involved in this case, in this investigation, but
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Speaker 1: now is not the time for finger pointing. Now is
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Speaker 1: the time for fact finding. Take a listen to our
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Speaker 1: friends at News for Jacksonville. The medical examiner ruled Tristan
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Speaker 1: Bailey's death a homicide. The cause stabbing, The details downright disturbing,
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Speaker 1: most being kept confidential. We got to keep as many
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Speaker 1: in facts of this case out of the public realm
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Speaker 1: to ensure the integrity of the investigation and ensure a
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Speaker 1: proper prosecution, for justice, an accountability in this case. Now
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Speaker 1: the medical examiner has ruled this a homicide right off
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Speaker 1: the bat stabbing. Let me go to doctor Tim Gallagher,
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Speaker 1: the medical examiner for the State of for the State
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Speaker 1: of Florida, Doctor Gallagher, I understand that there have been
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Speaker 1: times that you had to keep the facts of an
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Speaker 1: investigation under your hat secret, so to speak. And that's
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Speaker 1: what they were doing here, trying to keep as many
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Speaker 1: details of the investigation a secret. Have there been times
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Speaker 1: you had to keep facts of a and otherwise public
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Speaker 1: investigation secret. Oh, there have been. We've had many cases
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Speaker 1: of high profile cases where the media has tried to
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Speaker 1: get information from the office in very creative ways. We've
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Speaker 1: had cases where they would put a GoPro camera on
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Speaker 1: a stick and hold it up to the window and
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Speaker 1: GoPro camera. My son loves those things. He's always trying
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Speaker 1: to attach them to his body or his head or
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Speaker 1: his helmet somehow. So you're saying, somebody actually put a
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Speaker 1: GoPro on a stick and somehow stuck it in a
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Speaker 1: window at the morgue. We've had that, Yes, and uh.
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Speaker 1: People come into the Medical Examiner's office in all types
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Speaker 1: of disguises, and they may be disguised as a working part,
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Speaker 1: as a transporter, a clergy, a family member. They may
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Speaker 1: claim to be a member of representing the family. Um.
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Speaker 1: We've had people who would walk and try to forcibly
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Speaker 1: come into the medical examiner his office demanding records and
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Speaker 1: photographs and viewing of the body. So security actually come
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Speaker 1: in dress like clergy or claim to be the victim's
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Speaker 1: family to get a look at the dead body or
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Speaker 1: to find out information. They do. You know, we've had
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Speaker 1: members of religions that are part of maybe the Caribbean
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Speaker 1: that come in and try to perform some They want
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Speaker 1: to perform some sort of religious thing to get the
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Speaker 1: person reanimated, to they say, to reanimate them. Are you
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Speaker 1: talking about voodoo? Talking about voodoo Paolo Matumbai and Santa Ria,
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Speaker 1: all those types of religion. Do you know, Gallagher, where
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Speaker 1: did you go to medical school? Just curious Orto Medical
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Speaker 1: School in the state of Maine. So I guess you
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Speaker 1: never thought you'd be talking about Santoria or voodoo one day,
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Speaker 1: as when it comes to an autopsy being performed for
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Speaker 1: Pete's sake. And when I asked you the question, have
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Speaker 1: you ever had to keep facts of the case under
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Speaker 1: your hat like they are in the case of thirteen
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Speaker 1: year old cheerleader Justin Bailey, I had no idea voodoo
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Speaker 1: was kind of come out of that question to James Shelner,
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Speaker 1: twenty seven years Metro major case detective, now lawyer. Why
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Speaker 1: is it so critical in certain cases that facts do
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Speaker 1: not leak to the public. Well, I think you want
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Speaker 1: to preserve the integrity of the investigation, and one of
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Speaker 1: those aspects is preserving witnesses memory, making sure that what
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Speaker 1: they tell you as accurate that is from their own
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Speaker 1: recollection or what they personally observed instead of what they
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Speaker 1: observed from the news. Additionally, as it's pounded out a
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Speaker 1: mind to go, the investigators allowed to talk to people first.
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Speaker 1: What you're seeing now as a trend of people hiring
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Speaker 1: private investigators who go talk to these witnesses first, or
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Speaker 1: even the media will try to run these witnesses down
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Speaker 1: first before law enforcement has an opportunity to do that.
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Speaker 1: And for those reasons that many others, is very important
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Speaker 1: to only release the information that you have to so
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Speaker 1: that you can preserve the integrity of the evidence in
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Speaker 1: the case. Guys, take a listen to We're not a
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Speaker 1: Dregorio First Coast News. The work is far from over here.
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Speaker 1: The sheriff says that they have more than fifty people
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Speaker 1: working at this at any given time, and a lot
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Speaker 1: of interviews lined up for coming days now. He also
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Speaker 1: says here that anyone who is involved interested murder will
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Speaker 1: be held accountable. There's no doubt in my mind, and
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Speaker 1: again I we're comm aside from with twelve years, this
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Speaker 1: is nothing even nearly remote being an accident. As the
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Speaker 1: investigation into Tristan Bailey's murder continues, it now known she
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Speaker 1: was stabbed to death. Saint John's County Sheriff Rob Hardwick
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Speaker 1: leaves it open there could be more arrests. Anybody that's
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Speaker 1: involved in this case, here's your I'm gonna I'm gonna
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Speaker 1: give you a warning that we're going to hold you
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Speaker 1: accountable for your actions if you help as an accessory
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Speaker 1: after the fact or an accomplished prior to. He says
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Speaker 1: no one is detained at the moment. As for the
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Speaker 1: murder weapon, Hardwick says, dive teams have recovered evidence from
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Speaker 1: the three retention ponds near where Bigley's body was found,
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Speaker 1: and investigators are going through that evidence. Crime Stories with
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Speaker 1: Nancy Grace. Guys, for those of you just joining us,
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Speaker 1: thirteen year old cheerleader who should be heading off to
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Speaker 1: high school from middle school founds stabbed dead. The search
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Speaker 1: on for whoever was responsible Treekapetero. We were talking about
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Speaker 1: where she grew up and where she went missing, But
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Speaker 1: what about these retention ponds. Well, a lot of these neighborhoods,
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Speaker 1: because they're cut out of the wilderness, they have retention ponds,
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Speaker 1: you know, that's what they use when they're building them.
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Speaker 1: And Tristan's neighborhood had several of them. You know, I'm
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Speaker 1: looking at where the community center is and where she
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Speaker 1: went missing, and there's this wine of trees and it
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Speaker 1: looks like there's a pathway, so they cut through. But
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Speaker 1: you know a lot of times of these neighborhoods they
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Speaker 1: come to an end somewhere and there's nothing but trees
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Speaker 1: in and a retention pond. That's that's what it was.
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Speaker 1: At the end of this road. A call to sack.
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Speaker 1: You cut through a little bit of wine the trees in. There,
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Speaker 1: in fact, was a body of water, a retention pond,
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Speaker 1: and that's where Tristan was last seeing a lot guys,
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Speaker 1: how does a thirteen year old little girl, isn't it Trey?
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Speaker 1: Sheell McCollums. She was having her eighth grade graduation party there,
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Speaker 1: either just had it or was about to have it.
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Speaker 1: Heading off from middle school to high school and then
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Speaker 1: suddenly she's found stabbed dead out in the woods. It
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Speaker 1: just reeks of premeditation to me, Nancy. When you have
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Speaker 1: a victim that is a child, there's extra planning that
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Speaker 1: has to go into that because they have to be
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Speaker 1: away from their parents, they have to be in a
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Speaker 1: secluded spot, they have to be where maybe they're not
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Speaker 1: missed for a little bit of time in order to
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Speaker 1: get away from the scene, the killer to get away
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Speaker 1: from the scene. Exactly correct, Guys, take a listen to this.
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Speaker 1: For roughly two decades, Director Howard Cole has been investigating
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Speaker 1: on the sides. In my twenty years of investigating homicides,
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Speaker 1: this is probably one of the most tragic and difficult
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Speaker 1: cases that we have faced. Director Cole is overseeing the
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Speaker 1: Tristan Bailey case alongside dozens of other detectives. He sat
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Speaker 1: down with News for Jack's I Team reporter Vic mccolouche.
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Speaker 1: How good is the case right now? I would say,
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Speaker 1: based on my experience, which is quite extensive, I am
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Speaker 1: very confident. Now. That's curious that prior to an arrest,
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Speaker 1: prior to the case being solved, one of the detectives
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Speaker 1: says he's confident the case will be solved. I'm wondering
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Speaker 1: if that's because Ray computer. It was multiple stabbings, and
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Speaker 1: with stabbings you very often find DNA of the perp
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Speaker 1: on the body where they knife slips because of the blood.
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Speaker 1: There's really no easy, nice way to put that, and
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Speaker 1: it slices the perp as well. What do you think, Raykaputer,
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Speaker 1: why was he so confident that it is going to
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Speaker 1: be solved? Well, I think because not only that, Yeah,
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Speaker 1: when you stabbed somebody, you leave a lot more evidence
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Speaker 1: than say, taking a shot at somebody from far away.
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Speaker 1: But there was a lot of video evidence. You know,
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Speaker 1: people knew where she was, they knew they were piecing
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Speaker 1: together her moment. Actually, you're absolutely correct. Yet again, Ray Kaputo,
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Speaker 1: W DBO take a listen. You were hearing Jennifer Ready
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Speaker 1: and w j x T take a listen to our
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Speaker 1: friends at First Coast News, surveillance video spotted what appears
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Speaker 1: to be Tristan Bailey walking north from the Ammenity Center
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Speaker 1: at one fourteen am. Thirty one minutes later, two people
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Speaker 1: are seen walking east along Sadlestone Drive at one forty
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Speaker 1: five am. One is wearing shorts of hidie and white
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Speaker 1: shoes with the black Nike logo, the other wearing black
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Speaker 1: pants and a black shirt. That same camera then capturing
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Speaker 1: one person walking back west wearing shorts of hoodie and
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Speaker 1: this time carrying white shoes with the black Nike logo.
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Speaker 1: That was around three twenty seven am. One hour forty
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Speaker 1: two minutes later, police found clothing with blood on it.
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Speaker 1: You know, hold on just a moment right there. That
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Speaker 1: was a lot of information to take in. Let's hear
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Speaker 1: that one more time from our friends. At First Coast
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Speaker 1: Knees surveillance video spotted what appears to be Tristan Bailey
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Speaker 1: walking north from the Ammenity Center at one fourteen am.
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Speaker 1: One minutes later, two people are seen walking east along
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Speaker 1: Salo Stone Drive at one forty five am. One is
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Speaker 1: wearing shorts of hoodie and white shoes with the black
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Speaker 1: Nike logo, the other wearing black pants and the black shirt.
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Speaker 1: That same camera then capturing one person walking back west
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Speaker 1: wearing shorts of hoodie and this time carrying white shoes
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Speaker 1: with the black Nike logo. That was around three twenty
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Speaker 1: seven am. One hour forty two minutes later, Lee found
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Speaker 1: clothing with blood on it. Wow, Okay, Sel McCollum, you're
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Speaker 1: getting pieces of the puzzle. What do you make of that?
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Speaker 1: These are very important pieces. I mean, obviously, you've got
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Speaker 1: two people walking at one forty five and you have
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Speaker 1: one person walking at three twenty seven, and Nancy, you
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Speaker 1: and I have talked at nausea I'm on your show
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Speaker 1: about the empower that. But go ahead of the first
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Speaker 1: three hours and how critical they are when a child
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Speaker 1: goes missing. Now, they didn't realize she was missing, but
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Speaker 1: the killer did because he lured her to a place,
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Speaker 1: and those first two hours for her become the most critical. Cheryl, Cheryl,
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Speaker 1: did you hear this one wearing black pants and a
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Speaker 1: black shirt, one wearing a hoodie with white shoes with
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Speaker 1: a black Nike logo. Right shortly thereafter, less than an
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Speaker 1: hour later, you see one person with shorts and a hoodie,
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Speaker 1: this time carrying the white shoes with the black Nike logo.
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Speaker 1: And I'm assuming those were her shoes. It could very
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Speaker 1: well be. That's the way it looks to me. And
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Speaker 1: I mean, think about it, if those are her shoes.
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Speaker 1: To doctor Susan Lipkin's psychologists, so the killer lures her
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Speaker 1: to a wooded, densely wooded area, stabs her dead, multiple
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Speaker 1: stab wounds, then steals her nikes. If those are in
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Speaker 1: fact her shoes, that's cold, doctor Lipkins. Yeah, I don't
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Speaker 1: think he stole them. I think he used them as
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Speaker 1: a way of proving what he had done. And I
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Speaker 1: would not be surprised. I mean, like as a souvenir,
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Speaker 1: no as a member of a gang, producing you know,
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Speaker 1: evidence that he carried out whatever he was supposed to
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Speaker 1: be doing. Huh. I don't know. I don't know about that.
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Speaker 1: I don't know about that at all. But I can
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Speaker 1: tell you this much. Stealing the shoes off the victim's feet,
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Speaker 1: if in fact those are the victim's shoes, that is
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Speaker 1: one cold killer crime stories with Nancy Grace. Guys, the
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Speaker 1: fear and hysteria seeps into the neighborhood and people take
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Speaker 1: to social media. Take a list our friends. WJXTV needs
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Speaker 1: for Jacks. Lots of messages on social media from people
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Speaker 1: claiming to be part of thirteen year old Tristan Bailey's murder.
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Speaker 1: We've been reviewing all of the accounts, but are not
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Speaker 1: identifying them. The posts taunt her family and friends, it's
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Speaker 1: hundreds and hundreds of leads. Sheriff Rob Hardwick says his
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Speaker 1: detectives have been bombarded with messages about these internet trolls,
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Speaker 1: and they're investigating every tip. Nothing is off the table.
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Speaker 1: Interesting times, VIC, you know, where we're trying to figure
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Speaker 1: out is this real? Is this legit? Is it coming
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Speaker 1: from a person as a possible witness. While we're going
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Speaker 1: to find out and track on every single lead, The
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Speaker 1: sheriff says, detectives have identified several accounts and are honing
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Speaker 1: in on the posters. Florida state statutes show that someone
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Speaker 1: could be charged with interfering with their investigation, whether it's
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Speaker 1: resisting an officer or providing false information to law enforcement.
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Speaker 1: The latter could lead to a felony. Yeah darn right now,
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Speaker 1: this is confounding me. For those of you just joining us.
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Speaker 1: A thirteen year old little cheerleader goes missing. Her and
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Speaker 1: a neighborhood, no crime, no crime, neighborhood. She goes missing
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Speaker 1: within hours. First of all, nobody knows she's missing, but
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Speaker 1: when they do realize it, her body is found within hours.
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Speaker 1: A thirteen year old little girl stab dead in a
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Speaker 1: densely wooded area. And what happens. Internet trolls take to
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Speaker 1: social media claiming they all know something or they took
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Speaker 1: part in the murder. What is that phenomena, doctor Lipkins.
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Speaker 1: That's something that we're finding more and more in today's
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Speaker 1: society where there can be a lot of confusion and
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Speaker 1: hiding behind the screen, so to speak. And as we
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Speaker 1: just heard, the gives a police a lot of leads
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Speaker 1: and a lot of problems. Really can't predict what this
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Speaker 1: may be. But you know, at that age, at the
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Speaker 1: thirteen fourteen year old, the most important thing is being
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Speaker 1: accepted socially and being part of a group which often
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Speaker 1: feels like a family. They want to be accepted by
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Speaker 1: the peers more than they do anybody else. Well, you
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Speaker 1: know what, James shell Nut, twenty seven years metro major
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Speaker 1: case detective now lawyer, that's exactly what police don't need
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Speaker 1: as a bunch of Internet trolls claiming, Oh I did it, No,
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Speaker 1: I did it, No I know who you did it.
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Speaker 1: That's why would anybody screw up a murder investigation of
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Speaker 1: a thirteen year old little girl like this? Yeah, I
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Speaker 1: don't know. It is unreal to me that people would
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Speaker 1: want to get on there and do this. And what
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Speaker 1: it does is law enforcement has to be thorough. There's
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Speaker 1: going to be a defense lawyer on the other side saying, well,
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Speaker 1: there was this lead, did you investigate it? There was
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Speaker 1: this person saying that they were involved. Shall nut hold
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Speaker 1: that thought because now I forgot how many twenty years
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Speaker 1: after Scott Peterson's can victed. The new defense is, hey,
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Speaker 1: the house down the street got burglarized. Maybe they did it.
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Speaker 1: I mean, if you and the costs, by the way,
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Speaker 1: did follow those leads, track those burglars down, interview them
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Speaker 1: and rule them out. But the point is it's rearing
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Speaker 1: its ugly hit twenty years later. If you don't track
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Speaker 1: down every single lead, shall not exactly exactly. It creates
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Speaker 1: a ton of work. And Nick, yes, a minute ago,
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Speaker 1: there's a couple of theories put out, you know, around
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Speaker 1: you know Tristan's death, you know what could have happened?
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Speaker 1: You know. One of the things I think, just looking
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Speaker 1: at this from a law enforcement perspective, investigative perspective, is
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Speaker 1: I would like to know the level of severity of
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Speaker 1: any any wounds that were caused from the knife. In
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Speaker 1: other words, was this a few stab wounds? Was this repeated.
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Speaker 1: You know that could lead you to the conclusion that
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Speaker 1: this was a crime of rage. Also, I know a
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Speaker 1: couple of theories have already been put out, but you know, sometimes,
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Speaker 1: you know, it's possible that a person could feel dejected
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Speaker 1: or rejected. Possibly there were some sexual advances towards this girl.
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Speaker 1: I think it's entirely possible that whoever killed this little
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Speaker 1: girl was rejected sexually. I mean, why would you lure
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Speaker 1: a thirteen year o little girl out into the woods
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Speaker 1: would be the first question. Well, following up on the evidence,
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Speaker 1: not theories. Take a listen to First Coast News a
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Speaker 1: break in the case. A report issued Tuesday by the
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Speaker 1: Saint John's County Sheriff's Office says surveillance video shows Bailey
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Speaker 1: walking with fourteen year old eight and Fujie, now charged
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Speaker 1: with or murder, around one fifteen am Sunday, at the
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Speaker 1: community's amenity center. They are seen at a home surveillance
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Speaker 1: video about thirty minutes later walking in the direction toward
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Speaker 1: the woods where Bailey's body was found the next day,
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Speaker 1: and then two hours later, at three twenty seven am,
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Speaker 1: more house surveillance video shows Fuchiat, the suspect, walking in
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Speaker 1: the opposite direction alone. Tuesday, dive crews wrapped up their
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Speaker 1: search of two lakes just yards away from where Bailey's
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Speaker 1: he was found in the woods. No word on what
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Speaker 1: or if evidence was found in the lakes. So question
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Speaker 1: did this kid he is a kid, fourteen year old
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Speaker 1: Aidan Fucci. Did he go to school with her? Because
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Speaker 1: he is in the surveillance video that's the other figure
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Speaker 1: walking along with the thirteen year old little cheer litera
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Speaker 1: Tristan Billy Cheryl McCollum. What do we know about this kid,
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Speaker 1: Aidan Fucci, just fourteen. We know that they did go
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Speaker 1: to school together and he lived in the same neighborhood
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Speaker 1: about a mile from her. They go to school together,
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Speaker 1: they live in the same neighborhood. You know, here's a
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Speaker 1: tricky part with Grammy surveillance of video. At first they
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Speaker 1: couldn't really make it out. There is an art to
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Speaker 1: enhancing that. I always say, NASA has gotten nothing on
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Speaker 1: Target and Walmart awesome surveillance video. Many a case has
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Speaker 1: been sold by Target and Walmart video. But in this case,
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Speaker 1: we're not dealing with that kind of video. We're dealing
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Speaker 1: with things like ring doorbells, and it's at night and
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Speaker 1: the people are walking. Tristan is walking along along the
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Speaker 1: road the street, and it's really hard to get an ID.
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Speaker 1: That video has to be enhanced and that takes a minute,
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Speaker 1: but it was enhanced and it shows us fourteen year
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Speaker 1: old little boy as many people would describe him, walking
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Speaker 1: along with Tristan Billy. So let's think this through, Cheryl McCollum.
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Speaker 1: What's the likelihood he's with her just before her murder
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Speaker 1: and then you see him walking away with her tennis shoes.
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Speaker 1: What did little green men from Mars come in in
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Speaker 1: between and murder her and stab her repeatedly? No, I
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Speaker 1: think the video's very compelling. And also, Nancy, if you
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Speaker 1: listen to what the sheriff said, this community sprung into action.
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Speaker 1: Everybody that had a ring video, owned their door anywhere
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Speaker 1: in that vicinity started looking at their own video. So
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Speaker 1: there's more than one that shows the path of direction
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Speaker 1: prior to them separating. So I think again, it's the
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Speaker 1: most compelling thing they have at this point. Ray Kaputo,
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Speaker 1: very narrow question, Ray Kiputo, Lead news anchor WDBO Orlando Ray,
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Speaker 1: there is no evidence to my understanding that Trista Bailey
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Speaker 1: was killed as part of any kind of gang activity whatsoever.
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Speaker 1: This aid in Fuci, to my knowledge, is not a
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Speaker 1: member of a gang. They were in middle school together. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: I mean, Nancy, this kid, if you look at is
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Speaker 1: a picture of him, he still has acne. You couldn't
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Speaker 1: even grow facial hair. It doesn't seem like a gang
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Speaker 1: initiation to me. Another interesting tidbit was that Tristan was
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Speaker 1: fine with all of her clothes on. So you're absolutely right.
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Speaker 1: You're absolutely right about that. Take a listen to this.
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Speaker 1: These are our friends WKMG News six. The tears here
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Speaker 1: different than what deputies confirm is Fuji seen in this snapchat,
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Speaker 1: now widely shared, showing the team holding up a peace
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Speaker 1: sign with the caption quote, hey guys, has anybody seen
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Speaker 1: Tristan lately? It's now part of the three day old investigation, which,
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Speaker 1: in a rest report read a search warrant found clothes
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Speaker 1: with blood on them in Fuchi's bedroom. This while the
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Speaker 1: thirteen year old's family has asked for privacy and the
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Speaker 1: tight knit Saint John's community grieves the young girl's death. Okay,
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Speaker 1: two things right there. From our friends at WKMG to
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Speaker 1: Ray Kaputo, lead news anchor wdbo One. You're right, her
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Speaker 1: bloody clothes were fam or sue it to search warrant
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Speaker 1: and this kid's bedroom, correct, Well, Nancy, i'd bother it
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Speaker 1: was something. There were different types of effects, but there
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Speaker 1: were there were things found in his bedroom. Absolutely there
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Speaker 1: was there was evidence tying him to that scene. And
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Speaker 1: then second Fucci, the alleged killer, fourteen year old friend
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Speaker 1: of ours in middle school, isn't a Snapchat video showing
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Speaker 1: him holding up a peace sign with the caption, Hey, guys,
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Speaker 1: is anybody saying Tristan? That's correct? Nancy? This is beyond
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Speaker 1: me And this is the part of the case that
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Speaker 1: just it gets a lot of people riled up. Now,
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Speaker 1: how did he even post that picture? Well, he was
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Speaker 1: being interviewed just before he was arrested, and you know,
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Speaker 1: in between him being interviewed and obviously he couldn't take
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Speaker 1: the picture. Somebody else took it for him. But he
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Speaker 1: had enough of goal knowing what was going on to
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Speaker 1: post that to Snapchat. It's his absolutely nutty butters Nancy.
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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, we're talking about the disappearance
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Speaker 1: and the brutal murder of a thirteen year old eighth
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Speaker 1: great girl, Tristan Bailey lured into heavily wooded, a heavily
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Speaker 1: wooded area in her neighborhood. You've got the trees with
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Speaker 1: the street lights, and the pool and the community center
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Speaker 1: and the tennis courts, and then beyond that our woods
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Speaker 1: and retention ponds. She was lured off of her street
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Speaker 1: into those woods where she was brutally murdered. And then,
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Speaker 1: let me understand this. Ryl McCollum, the fourteen year old boy,
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Speaker 1: the classmate, actually posts a shot of him shooting a
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Speaker 1: piece sign saying, Hey, anybody's seen Triston. Yeah, let's talk
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Speaker 1: about it though, Yeah, because there's a lot in that photograph.
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Speaker 1: If you look at the back of his cell phone,
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Speaker 1: it looks to me like he's got a sticker that's
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Speaker 1: the Princess Jasmine. His thumb looks like he's painted it
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Speaker 1: with fingernail polish. His hair is basically a bob. Those
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Speaker 1: things have got to be connected. Those things have got
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Speaker 1: to be looked. Enforcement hairstyle have anything to do with it.
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Speaker 1: Everything matters. He chose that hairstyle. When you are a
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Speaker 1: fourteen year old boy in middle school and you have
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Speaker 1: a mom haircut and you paint your fingernails and you've
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Speaker 1: got Princess Jasmine on your phone. You are inviting people
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Speaker 1: to bully you. That's number one, number two one fingernail painting,
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Speaker 1: and it's painting black. I know, and that is not
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Speaker 1: necessarily trying to say he is. I don't see it,
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Speaker 1: except law enforcement has got to connect why he would
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Speaker 1: select these things and do these things. The thing, there's
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Speaker 1: no way my son would have a Princess Jasmine sticker
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Speaker 1: on his phone. But that's just Yah's. But frankly, my
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Speaker 1: daughter wouldn't either, So I don't know how much you
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Speaker 1: can read into that because according to her, once in
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Speaker 1: a while I'll still catch her listening to Ariel, but
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Speaker 1: she denies it. So you know he posted it there
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Speaker 1: it is, it's from his account. I mean daughter, Susan
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Speaker 1: Lipkin's your theory about this being part of a gang initiation,
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Speaker 1: and that's not correct a period, but I mean, fourteen
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Speaker 1: year old boy with Princess Jasmine sticker on his phone.
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Speaker 1: He posts anybody's saint Tristan the girl he just killed. Okay,
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Speaker 1: so he's either severely emotionally disturbed, which if he were,
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Speaker 1: we would have expected that. The school and the neighborhood
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Speaker 1: should know and would know something about that, and maybe
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Speaker 1: that's information that has not yet been revealed. But what
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Speaker 1: you were alluding to is that you know this is
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Speaker 1: a cold hearted killer who had a premeditation, which I agree,
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Speaker 1: because he had the knife, and that there was a
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Speaker 1: beginning in the middle and an end, and that he
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Speaker 1: disconnected from it and acted like you know whom I
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Speaker 1: had nothing to do with this by posting that photo.
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Speaker 1: If that was all true, then we know that there's
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Speaker 1: a severely disturbed child. Well, I've got a completely different take, okay,
29:26
Speaker 1: because there's no evidence that he ever missed school, that
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Speaker 1: he had any disciplinary problems, which I think would go
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Speaker 1: hand in hand with some sort of severe emotional problem.
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Speaker 1: James shell Nutt met your major case detective now lawyer.
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Speaker 1: I think it's more taunting. He knows he killed her,
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Speaker 1: he knows he's responsible, and it's like a big Joe. Hey,
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Speaker 1: anybody saints Tristan? Yeah? Why to dad at the Morgue? Nutt?
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Speaker 1: I agree. Look, I agree, And here's something it's very
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Speaker 1: important for long p we're spant to have a confession
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Speaker 1: in a murder case, but they don't always get that.
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Speaker 1: But something that can be just as important, if not
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Speaker 1: more important, is after a person has been placed in
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Speaker 1: a pair of handcuffs or placed in the back of
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Speaker 1: the car for their actions to indicate that they're the
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Speaker 1: type of human being that would have done this. And
30:19
Speaker 1: if this young man winds up in front of a
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Speaker 1: jury one day, because he may very well be charged
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Speaker 1: as an adult. If he's charged. Florida, by the way,
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Speaker 1: is the leading state for charging children as adults and
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Speaker 1: fourteens of magical number in Florida. That makes it very
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Speaker 1: easy for the prosecutor do that, if he's going to
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Speaker 1: be charged as an adult. You're right, You are absolutely right,
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Speaker 1: Shell not this is a seventh deadly The seventh deadly
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Speaker 1: sends that take a child into adult court. Murder, rape,
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Speaker 1: side of me, childlization, armed robbery, arson, and aggravated assault.
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Speaker 1: I think are them you're dead on he's going to
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Speaker 1: be treated as an adult. And we find out those
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Speaker 1: are not her shoes he's carrying from the scene, they're
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Speaker 1: his shoes. And I think that's a matter of evidence.
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Speaker 1: Cheryl McCollum, Why would he be carrying his own shoes
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Speaker 1: from the scene. It's excellent evidence. And I heard that
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Speaker 1: he told his mom when she asked him, is because
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Speaker 1: his feet were hurting. I think he was trying to
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Speaker 1: maybe save those shoes because he knew there was blood
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Speaker 1: on him. But Nancy, there's something else. I've got to
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Speaker 1: make a point. When he posted the picture of him
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Speaker 1: in the back of the patrol car, what he actually
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Speaker 1: texted was hey, guys, has in body. He didn't spell
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Speaker 1: anybody right. Maybe that's leakage. Maybe that's indicative of stabbing.
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Speaker 1: So again, all of these things are going to come out,
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Speaker 1: every single one of them, and law enforcement is going
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Speaker 1: to connect everything. They're going to go through his social media,
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Speaker 1: They're going through his phone, they're going through his computer,
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Speaker 1: they're going through his searches. Trust me when I tell
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Speaker 1: you some more things are gonna come so they'll blow
31:57
Speaker 1: your mind. Take a listen to our friend a Danyae
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Speaker 1: so KMGI six the truth, the whole truth, and nothing
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Speaker 1: but the truth to Hoki God. With his hand raised high.
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Speaker 1: Fourteen year old eight In Fuchi faced the judge in
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Speaker 1: Volusia County today for the murder of his classmate, thirteen
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Speaker 1: year old Tristan Bailey, found dead in Saint John's County
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Speaker 1: Sunday night, hours after her parents reported her missing. Her
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Speaker 1: body found point three miles from the young man's house,
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Speaker 1: according to a new arrest report released today. Also today,
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Speaker 1: the medical examiner confirming she was stabbed and had trauma
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Speaker 1: to her head. Fuchi looking up with tears in his
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Speaker 1: eyes as the judge read his charge this morning with
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Speaker 1: second degree murder his parents both in the virtual courtroom.
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Speaker 1: His mother also seemingly upset. The law is and will
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Speaker 1: be read to the jury as part of the jury charge,
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Speaker 1: where at the very end of the case, after all
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Speaker 1: the evidence is in sides of rested, closing arguments are done,
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Speaker 1: the judge charges the jury with the law by which
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Speaker 1: they are to judge the case, and the judge will
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Speaker 1: tell the jury one may regret the deed immediately, such
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Speaker 1: as crying in the courtroom, but that does not negate
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Speaker 1: intent at the time of the incident. To doctor Tim Gallagher,
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Speaker 1: we are now hearing that she also had trauma to
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Speaker 1: her head, and I'm understanding there were multiple stabs. A
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Speaker 1: lot of the details are still being kept secret. What
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Speaker 1: does that tell you a blow to the head and
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Speaker 1: stab wounds, Well, it's difficult to interpret that as a
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Speaker 1: blow to the head. Trauma usually comes in two types.
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Speaker 1: There's blunt force trauma, which would be what you're describing,
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Speaker 1: a blow to the head, or sharp forced trauma, which
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Speaker 1: would be a stabbing. So this trauma could either be
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Speaker 1: she could have been stabbed in the head, or she
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Speaker 1: could have been punched or beaten on her head or
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Speaker 1: about her head. So the word trauma is not specific
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Speaker 1: enough for me to understand what the injury was specifically.
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Speaker 1: I hear you, but I noticed it was to the head,
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Speaker 1: not to the face. Does that make a difference to you,
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Speaker 1: doctor Gallagher, Well, in my experience, we've had people who've
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Speaker 1: been stabbed multiple times in the head. We've had cases
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Speaker 1: where the knife had actually penetrated into the skull and
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Speaker 1: have gone into the brain, you know. So in my experience,
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Speaker 1: it could be interpreted as either sharp or blunt forced trauma.
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Speaker 1: Most of the times it tends to be blunt forced trauma.
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Speaker 1: But again this is just speculation. I don't have the
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Speaker 1: District twenty three report in front of me. Now, guys,
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Speaker 1: we know that at a quote celebration of life is
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Speaker 1: taking place for thirteen year old Tristan Bailey. A flurry
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Speaker 1: have motions have been filed on behalf of fourteen year
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Speaker 1: old Aiden Fuci. We wait as justice unfolds. Nancy Grace
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Speaker 1: Crime Story signing off goodbye Frien