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Sharri | 10 October · Sharri

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Speaker 1: Why From Israel is a special edition of Sharing.
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Speaker 2: Hello and welcome to my final show this week from Israel,
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Speaker 2: and first tonight to a world exclusive. Israeli Prime Minister
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Speaker 2: Benjamin Netanyahu has spoken exclusively to me about the war
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Speaker 2: he's fighting, the threat of Iran to Western civilization, and
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Speaker 2: his determination for the Saudi Arabia normalization deal to go ahead.
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Speaker 2: I was privileged to spend more than forty five minutes
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Speaker 2: with NETANYAHUO yesterday afternoon in his Prime Ministerial offices in Jerusalem.
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Speaker 2: Our meeting was held just a few hours before the
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Speaker 2: Prime Minister took a call with Joe Biden to discuss
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Speaker 2: the retaliation strike on Iran after it filed two hundred
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Speaker 2: missiles on Israel last week. Now, there were only three
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Speaker 2: of us in the room, the Prime Minister, his chief
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Speaker 2: of staff and me.
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Speaker 3: It was a.
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Speaker 2: Confidential conversation and an off the record briefing about the
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Speaker 2: war and where it goes from here. But the Prime
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Speaker 2: Minister said that I can share with you three things
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Speaker 2: that he spoke about Nettna, who spoke strongly about the
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Speaker 2: threat of Iran. He said, the threat of Iran is
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Speaker 2: not only to Israel's survival but to the Middle East
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Speaker 2: and to Western civilization. He said that Israel is fighting
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Speaker 2: the broader war against terrorists who want to take us
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Speaker 2: all back to the dark ages, and with the war raging,
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Speaker 2: he spoke about the prospect.
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Speaker 3: Of peace he still hopes.
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Speaker 2: He said that the deal to normalize relations with Saudi
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Speaker 2: Arabia will go ahead.
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Speaker 3: This deal was close to being.
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Speaker 2: Finalized in late twenty twenty three, and it's a key
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Speaker 2: reason why Iran, through its proxies Hamas and Hesbela, attacked.
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Speaker 3: Israel on October seven.
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Speaker 2: Nettiyah who told me he was not just hopeful, but
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Speaker 2: determined the Saudi deal would go ahead. The rest of
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Speaker 2: the meeting was confidential, but I can tell you some
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Speaker 2: of what I shared with Netanyahu during our meeting. I
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Speaker 2: told him how domestic politics was influencing foreign policy in Australia.
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Speaker 2: I explained how Anthony Albanesi and Penny Wong's desperate desire
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Speaker 2: to appease Muslim voters in Sydney's marginal seats in the
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Speaker 2: West is behind many of the government's hostile policies towards Israel.
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Speaker 2: I spoke to him of the anger that many Australian
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Speaker 2: Jews feel towards the Albanesi government over its betrayal of
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Speaker 2: Israel at its time of need. I explained to Netanyaho
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Speaker 2: how the Albanesi government had fast tracked visas for nearly
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Speaker 2: three thousand Gazans without adequate security checks, and I said
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Speaker 2: this was a big political issue on the front page
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Speaker 2: of the papers. I also spoke to him about the
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Speaker 2: problem of anti Semitism that we're facing in Australia, and
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Speaker 2: I was only half joking when I told him that
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Speaker 2: I would probably be safer wearing my mug and David
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Speaker 2: my Star of David necklace on the border with Lebanon
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Speaker 2: than in parts of Sydney where jew hatred is open
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Speaker 2: and unabated. I also told him how Peter Dutton, the
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Speaker 2: opposition leader, had followed in the footsteps of former Australian
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Speaker 2: leaders in standing firm with Israel. Unlike every Israeli I've
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Speaker 2: met on this assignment. While Netanyahu is a strong wartime leader,
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Speaker 2: he is a wartime leader who is desperate for peace.
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Speaker 2: Israel does not want or desire war, but on October
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Speaker 2: seventh it was brutally thrust upon it by Hamas and
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Speaker 2: now by every terror group which wants to destroy it now.
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Speaker 2: For me personally and certainly as a journalist, this.
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Speaker 3: Was the meeting of a lifetime.
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Speaker 2: It was extraordinary to be granted an in depth meeting
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Speaker 2: with the wartime leader when he's leading his nation.
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Speaker 3: In major battles.
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Speaker 2: Imagine having the chance to sit down with Winston Churchill
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Speaker 2: during his fight against the Nazis.
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Speaker 3: Well, that's what this meeting was like.
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Speaker 2: The Prime Minister was strong and tough and very clear
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Speaker 2: in his vision, but also warm, engaging, open and interested.
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Speaker 2: He asked questions about Australia, about my family, even who
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Speaker 2: was looking after my children while I was in Israel.
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Speaker 2: It's highly unusual for a journalist to be invited into
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Speaker 2: the very heart of his prime ministerial operations and to
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Speaker 2: be given so much time.
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Speaker 3: I can tell you that the criticism.
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Speaker 2: From Washington that Netanyahu doesn't have a plan or that
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Speaker 2: he doesn't know what he's doing in this war is
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Speaker 2: utterly wrong. After speaking with him at length, he does
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Speaker 2: have a clear strategy for the war, and.
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Speaker 3: He outlined it.
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Speaker 2: It's obvious his motive is the survival of the Jewish state,
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Speaker 2: but he's also fighting the terrorists and Iran to protect
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Speaker 2: the world from dark forces and Netinya, who's success in
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Speaker 2: not just weakening but smashing Iran's main proxy groups has
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Speaker 2: been astonishing. As I've said before, incredible military feats. The
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Speaker 2: pager and the walkie talkie attacks were the most sophisticated
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Speaker 2: and targeted strikes of our time. Nettnaho also ended Hassan
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Speaker 2: Nasralla's thirty two year reign by ordering his execution in
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Speaker 2: a Bea route bunker. At the moment he was executed, Netina,
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Speaker 2: who was speaking at the United Nations, It's possible the
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Speaker 2: last thing the terror leader saw on this earth was
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Speaker 2: his arch enemy speaking. And all that remains of Hamas
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Speaker 2: is its leader Yaya Sinhwa, who is too scared to
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Speaker 2: emerge after watching virtually every other senior terror figure be
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Speaker 2: executed in cunning moves by Israel.
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Speaker 3: Natiya, who has taken on.
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Speaker 2: The terrorists all the while facing incredible international pressure from
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Speaker 2: weak woke leaders. As you know, I often speak about
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Speaker 2: the weak international leadership that demands a cease fire of
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Speaker 2: Israel even though there are still one hundred and one hostages,
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Speaker 2: even when hundreds of rockets are being fired at Israel,
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Speaker 2: and even when terrorists remain on the doorstep. If Natiya
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Speaker 2: who would have listened to the international community, including US
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Speaker 2: President Joe Biden, and how to cease fire, both Hermas
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Speaker 2: and Hezbla would still pose a major threat to Israel.
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Speaker 3: Instead, they're all but destroyed.
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Speaker 2: And speaking of Biden, just a few hours after my
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Speaker 2: meeting with Netanyahu, he and the US President spoke on
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Speaker 2: the phone for an hour. Kamala Harris joined the call.
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Speaker 2: You can see here a photograph of Nettunjahoo surrounded by
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Speaker 2: his advisers during that call.
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Speaker 3: It was their first call in nearly fifty days, and.
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Speaker 2: They discussed the response to Iran's ballistic missile attack last week.
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Speaker 2: The White House described the call as direct and productive
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Speaker 2: and said that Biden had affirmed his ironclad commitment to
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Speaker 2: Israel's security and rite to defend itself. Nettina Who's office
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Speaker 2: said the call was conducted in a positive spirit. The
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Speaker 2: upcoming US election will undoubtedly influence Biden's position on how
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Speaker 2: Israel should respond to Iran. For Nettayaho, his wartime leadership
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Speaker 2: has seen a resurgence in his support in Israel. According
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Speaker 2: to the polls, his popularity is now on the rise
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Speaker 2: after it sank in the immediate aftermath of October seven,
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Speaker 2: Poland conducted by direct polls shows.
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Speaker 3: Nettiya, who now leads his two closest.
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Speaker 2: Rivals, Betty Gance and opposition leader Lapid by thirty points.
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Speaker 2: Colonel Richard camp who's been living in Israel for the
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Speaker 2: past year, he explained this on My show last night,
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Speaker 2: as did veteran of the Prime Minister's Office, Danny Seaman.
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Speaker 4: He's an extremely strong leader. He's been criticized and vilified
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Speaker 4: around the world by other leaders, including President Biden, but
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Speaker 4: everything he's done has shown to be right and proved
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Speaker 4: to be right.
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Speaker 5: He's also a leader in the eyes of Israelis of
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Speaker 5: international standing, once in a generation leader.
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Speaker 2: It's an assessment Australia's Foreign Minister Former Foreign Minister Alexander
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Speaker 2: Downer has also made. He wrote that Netto who has
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Speaker 2: been a hate figure for the center left and fire left.
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Speaker 2: He writes, of course he has domestic scandals and issues
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Speaker 2: to deal with, but his political skill and courage over
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Speaker 2: the past year make him.
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Speaker 3: A standout leader.
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Speaker 2: Downa says, as he watched his speech to the UN
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Speaker 2: General Assembly, I thought he stood head and shoulders above
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Speaker 2: the hesitant drivel and pole driven cliches of Western ministers
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Speaker 2: and leaders, and Alexander Downa writes that if Nettayaho had
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Speaker 2: listened to the demands of Biden and kir Starmer, as
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Speaker 2: well as the bleeting Australian government, Hermas.
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Speaker 3: Would still be operating, as would Hesbla. Downa says, what is.
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Speaker 2: So admirable about Netanyahu is that he defied Biden and
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Speaker 2: European leaders and did what he thought was in the
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Speaker 2: best interest of his country security, not Western politics.
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Speaker 3: And that was the strength I saw in person when
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Speaker 3: I met Nettiyaho yesterday.
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Speaker 2: You can see in the photograph he has a large
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Speaker 2: map of Africa, the Middle East, Europe and Eastern Europe
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Speaker 2: in his office. It's a constant reminder of just how
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Speaker 2: tiny the.
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Speaker 3: Jewish state is.
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Speaker 2: We've seen that Nettiya, who is not going to ask
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Speaker 2: permission from weakned international leaders to defend his citizens and
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Speaker 2: inshore Israel's survival. The future of this single Jewish homeland
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Speaker 2: in the world now rests squarely on his shoulders. And
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Speaker 2: it's why any day now we're expecting Israel to take
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Speaker 2: on Iran and not let the evil Aotolas live out
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Speaker 2: their dream to destroy Israel, and not just Israel, but
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Speaker 2: all of us in the West. Now, this next story
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Speaker 2: is incredible. A young woman is about to tell you
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Speaker 2: what it was like after she was taken hostage in Gaza.
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Speaker 2: Elana Gritzuski was kidnapped by her mass from Kibbutz near
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Speaker 2: Us on October seventh, along with her boyfriend Matan, who
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Speaker 2: sadly is.
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Speaker 3: Still being held hostage.
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Speaker 2: Elana details the brutality of her mass and how she
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Speaker 2: was deliberately starved, losing eleven kilograms.
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Speaker 3: Now a warning, this is confronting.
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Speaker 6: So I picked my dog and I I ran to
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Speaker 6: the safe room that is our bethroom.
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Speaker 7: I wake up in Madame.
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Speaker 6: I wake up a showered to him and wake up.
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Speaker 3: There is a lot of alarms.
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Speaker 6: There is no regular talk to your mom and your
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Speaker 6: sister because also more fucking there is alarms. A few
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Speaker 6: minutes later, we start listening shootings, a many voices in Arabic,
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Speaker 6: and I still saw that they in the group of
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Speaker 6: the keyboods. They tell that they are our house, our house,
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Speaker 6: our house. So I was in the seat holding the
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Speaker 6: dog so he makes no noises, and Madame was holding
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Speaker 6: the door so they can open it. But they started shooting.
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Speaker 6: So they opened the door, but Mattan threw it all
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Speaker 6: the things that he found close again after he showed
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Speaker 6: me open the window, see there is nothing and jump,
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Speaker 6: I go after you slowly, slowly, hey, I hear the
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Speaker 6: terrorists someone they in charge of him pulled me from
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Speaker 6: the from the hair again and take me to the motorcycle.
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Speaker 6: Terrorists in front of me, other terrorists behind me. They
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Speaker 6: he mean so hard that they broke.
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Speaker 7: My hips.
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Speaker 6: And they put me like a blank in the nylon's
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Speaker 6: lank on the heads like and see nothing. All the
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Speaker 6: way they kicked me, they touched me. In that moment,
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Speaker 6: I didn't know what is going to happen to me,
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Speaker 6: that I'm going to be raped, IM gonna be kidnapped
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Speaker 6: in my gonna be killing.
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Speaker 3: Miriam.
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Speaker 2: How did you as a mother coy knowing that your
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Speaker 2: daughter was in Gaza.
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Speaker 1: I'm very emotional. I'm a person of it.
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Speaker 8: So since the first since the day one, what my
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Speaker 8: friends start.
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Speaker 1: Praying and they in brain chains.
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Speaker 8: So I said, the only thing I can do is
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Speaker 8: pray for her.
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Speaker 7: Well, do you remember waking up? After that?
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Speaker 6: They wake me up with the with the perfumed and
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Speaker 6: the nose, kick me on the face and throw me
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Speaker 6: water and they put me from the her again so
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Speaker 6: I can wake up from the floor. And they threw
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Speaker 6: me the skirt and a hijab and they took me
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Speaker 6: in the in a car with a lot of terrorists
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Speaker 6: and make me away from the next stop. We through
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Speaker 6: to the street of Helene. They told me, welcome to Alsa,
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Speaker 6: to your new life.
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Speaker 1: We stay at nine Mothers. Please.
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Speaker 8: She has a very very big, huge a tree and
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Speaker 8: I all the tree that day and they said, learn,
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Speaker 8: I'm hugging you, feel me, okay, feel me, and with you,
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Speaker 8: nothing is going to happen.
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Speaker 7: So after that you had your first night in Gaza.
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Speaker 6: Yeah, in the department when I arrived, that's one that
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Speaker 6: they stay were in me. That told me that they
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Speaker 6: are beautiful, that I ain't going to stay in USA
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Speaker 6: also in this deal, and I am not going to
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Speaker 6: go out that he and me, I am going to marry
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Speaker 6: it and be chilled and bring children.
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Speaker 2: So they told you you were going to get married
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Speaker 2: and have children.
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Speaker 7: So that's that's threatening to rape you.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, Miriam, how painful was it not knowing what was
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Speaker 2: happening to Alana while she was in captivity.
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Speaker 8: I cannot describe the pain. It's something you do not
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Speaker 8: deserve to anyone. It's like a.
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Speaker 1: Horror movie, know that when.
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Speaker 3: They tell you that it's kidnapped by a.
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Speaker 6: Mass We also sleep on the floor with h blank
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Speaker 6: like this. There are a lot of insects and dirty
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Speaker 6: in all the house.
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Speaker 8: And.
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Speaker 6: Water like a half of litter. I lost the eleven
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Speaker 6: kilo fifty five days. And then the terrorists in front
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Speaker 6: turned around to us and told us in inebrio, you
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Speaker 6: are not going to home.
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Speaker 7: We are taking you to the tunnels. They must have
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Speaker 7: been so weak.
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Speaker 6: I weak. I have no shoes, so my feets were
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Speaker 6: with blood. I can breathe because there was no osygen.
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Speaker 8: My success that he was just playing to things, that
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Speaker 8: she was safe and a life, or it was better
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Speaker 8: not to suffer her and be better. So I told
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Speaker 8: him I know she's alive. I know because I feel her.
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Speaker 8: My cell phone brings and they said medium Ilana said
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Speaker 8: that list, so I said, please repeat it.
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Speaker 1: Medium Illinis on the list, so we.
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Speaker 7: That was a post.
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Speaker 3: The list meant she was going to be raised.
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Speaker 8: Yes, So I wake up, my son, I wake up,
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Speaker 8: and I told everybody Illan is going to be released.
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Speaker 6: My only believe that I go now when I see
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Speaker 6: the they.
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Speaker 2: Read the Red Cross, the Red Cross, And what was
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Speaker 2: that feeling when you saw the red Cross?
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Speaker 6: The feeling was that my body is safely, but my
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Speaker 6: soul is going to stay in the tunnels.
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Speaker 2: Take me to the moment when you finally got to
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Speaker 2: wrap her in your arms in the hospital, when she
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Speaker 2: was free.
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Speaker 8: Listen and I were right through the hospital and we
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Speaker 8: hope we cheese would try. I bless her, I thank
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Speaker 8: God because she made the miracle.
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Speaker 2: We've got beautiful photographs of the ton all around your apartment.
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Speaker 2: But how does it feel knowing he is still in
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Speaker 2: the tunnels after one year?
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Speaker 6: It's difficult with the empty bed and wake up and
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Speaker 6: it's the same nightmare. It's continual, But I wake up
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Speaker 6: strong because if the hostage can survive.
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Speaker 7: A you're there and fighting for her.
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Speaker 6: Life as I need to come to wake up all
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Speaker 6: morning to still fighting for them so they come home, so.
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Speaker 7: They can come home. Where does your dough get her
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Speaker 7: strength from.
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Speaker 1: She's very agian and she will after this.
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Speaker 8: I know she will fight any fight, anything she has
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Speaker 8: in front of her, She's going to do it. I'm
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Speaker 8: very proud of her, and that's it that she.
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Speaker 2: She's amazing, such a beautiful family, and I just love
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Speaker 2: spending time with them, so brave with Alana to tell
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Speaker 2: us her story. Really amazing young woman. Now being here
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Speaker 2: in Jerusalem. Israelis a flamixed by suggestion that there should
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Speaker 2: be a ceasefire when terrorist fire rockets every day and
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Speaker 2: there are steelers. We've just been hearing one hundred and
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Speaker 2: one hostages in Gaza. I discussed this earlier with the
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Speaker 2: spokesman for the Ministry of Foreign Affairs in Israel, Iron Mamostin.
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Speaker 3: Have a look.
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Speaker 7: Thank you so much for your time, really appreciate it.
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Speaker 2: I've just met with the Israeli Prime Minister, benjaminette Yahu,
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Speaker 2: and he made the point that this war isn't just
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Speaker 2: about fighting for Israel's survival, but for the Middle East
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Speaker 2: and Western civilization. Do you think the international community has
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Speaker 2: failed to grasp just the significance of this.
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Speaker 5: I think the Prime Minister is absolutely right, and I
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Speaker 5: think perhaps answering your question about the international community, respond,
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Speaker 5: I think it's important with all the news pouring in
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Speaker 5: to remind us or why are we at this point
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Speaker 5: in time? We never wanted this war. This war was
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Speaker 5: forced upon us on October seventh, completely unprovoked. Hamas launch
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Speaker 5: the biggest massacre of Jews since the Holocaust. Nearly twelve
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Speaker 5: hundred people were slaughtered, women were raped, families were burned alive.
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Speaker 5: So perhaps international community Western audience have forgotten. We don't
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Speaker 5: have the luxury to forget.
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Speaker 7: So many people have been affected here exactly.
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Speaker 2: Almost everyone knows someone who has taken hostage or murdered,
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Speaker 2: or even now injured or killed in battle.
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Speaker 5: The stories are everywhere, but it's not only the stories
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Speaker 5: that happen on October seven. It's making sure that those
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Speaker 5: stories won't repeat themselves. We're fighting with one cause to
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Speaker 5: make sure that October seventh massacre won't happen again and
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Speaker 5: to bring our hostages back home.
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Speaker 2: There are reports that the hostages are being used by
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Speaker 2: ya Ya Sinoa as a form of protection human shields.
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Speaker 2: What is the plan to get the hostages to bring
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Speaker 2: them home? A year on from October seven.
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Speaker 5: So there are three objectives to this war. The first
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Speaker 5: one is to remove the threat. Like I said, to
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Speaker 5: make sure that Hamas has no military and governmental capabilities
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Speaker 5: to repeat this massacre. The second objective is to make
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Speaker 5: sure those hostages are back home. And the third objective
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Speaker 5: is to make sure that the civilians, the people living
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Speaker 5: in the northern part of Israel, can go back to
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Speaker 5: their home. And the plan is to put as much
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Speaker 5: as pressure on Hamas to make sure that there is
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Speaker 5: no ceasefire without the release of hostages.
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Speaker 2: Well, turning to Hasbela, we have seen incredible success by
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Speaker 2: Israel in dismantling the Hasbela leadership.
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Speaker 7: Can you do the same in Gaza with Sinowa?
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Speaker 5: You know you mentioned his Bala. And again this is
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Speaker 5: important because sometimes people are asking why now Lebanon, Why
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Speaker 5: now Chris Bala. Again, it's important to remember why we're
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Speaker 5: here at this point in time. On October eighth, just
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Speaker 5: a day after the massacre, again completely unprovoked, His Bala
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Speaker 5: attacked Israel with thousands of rockets. Doesn't Israelise were killed,
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Speaker 5: were murdered by Isabella, including twelve children who were murdered
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Speaker 5: while they were playing soccer, and sixty thousand Israelis were
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Speaker 5: forced to be evacuated from their homes. So we're doing
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Speaker 5: what every country would do for its people. We're trying
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Speaker 5: to protect the Sevinians, We're trying to protect the families.
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Speaker 2: In your role, you'd come across a lot of international
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Speaker 2: journalists and media outlets. Do you have a comment on
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Speaker 2: the extent of the anti Israel bias that we see
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Speaker 2: in the mainstream press narrative.
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Speaker 5: I think sometimes when it comes to the media, there
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Speaker 5: is a tendency to have a very short memory, just
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Speaker 5: to look at what's happening right now and not to
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Speaker 5: look at the big picture. And the big picture for
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Speaker 5: us israelis is the day to day picture is that
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Speaker 5: we are being attacked and we're trying to protect our families.
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Speaker 5: Let me be personal for a second, Like I said,
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Speaker 5: I have two daughters, one in the age of eleven
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Speaker 5: and the other is in the age of eight. Last
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Speaker 5: week they were rushed into shelter because Iran, which of
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Speaker 5: course is masterminding this attack of Ramas of Rizbala and
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Speaker 5: directly attacking Israel, launched more than one hundred and eighty
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Speaker 5: ballistic missiles on Israel. Think of of Canberra being attacked
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Speaker 5: with more than one hundred eight missiles incomprehensible, truly. So
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Speaker 5: you know, at the end of the day, there are
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Speaker 5: people in the story, and this is what we're trying
25:50
Speaker 5: to do. We're trying to live peaceful life. We didn't
25:54
Speaker 5: want this war, but now that it is forced on us,
25:58
Speaker 5: we are forced to it because we don't have another
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Speaker 5: earlier choice. And this is, by the way, the reason
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Speaker 5: why we'll win, because there is no other choice for
26:08
Speaker 5: the people in Israel. If we'll lose, we'll die.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, no room for failure. I really appreciate your time.
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Speaker 2: Thank you very much, Jennie, Thank you.
26:18
Speaker 1: Well.
26:18
Speaker 2: Still plenty more to come, and dawning allegations against Deputy
26:21
Speaker 2: Prime Minister Richard Miles from one of the government's most
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Speaker 2: senior female advisors. I'll discuss that with my panel back
26:29
Speaker 2: in Australia shortly. Plus the truth about Hermas's rape and
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Speaker 2: sexual violence against young women and why the world wants
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Speaker 2: to deny it.
26:39
Speaker 3: That's after this quick break. Welcome back.
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Speaker 1: Well.
26:46
Speaker 2: From the minute the world began to learn of the
26:48
Speaker 2: tragic events on October seven, there were horrific stories of
26:52
Speaker 2: women being raped, sexually assaulted, and even violently mutilated by Hermas.
26:59
Speaker 2: These were reports that came from people on the ground,
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Speaker 2: and I've spoken to several of these witnesses myself, Yet
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Speaker 2: no one took the account seriously until the UN Special
27:09
Speaker 2: Representative on Sexual Violence and Conflict confirmed there was reasonable
27:14
Speaker 2: ground to believe that Hermas terrorists use sexual violence during
27:18
Speaker 2: the brutal attack. Yet even so many so called feminists,
27:24
Speaker 2: fraudulent feminists, and international women's organizations have remained all but
27:29
Speaker 2: silent on this awful reality. Well, one incredible woman who
27:34
Speaker 2: hasn't stayed silent is co founder of the Dina project,
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Speaker 2: Ayelet Rasenbetto, and she joins me, now, ayele It, thank
27:41
Speaker 2: you very much for your time here in Jerusalem.
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Speaker 1: Thanking from being here.
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Speaker 2: Now, can you tell us some of the evidence and
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Speaker 2: tell Australians who might not have heard this from any
27:50
Speaker 2: of the women's groups.
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Speaker 3: What did we see? What rape and sexual violence? What
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Speaker 3: was the extent of it?
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Speaker 9: By her mus Well, First of all, I'll say we'll
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Speaker 9: probably never know the full extent because part of the
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Speaker 9: systematical brutal attack, after the rapes and the mutilation and
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Speaker 9: the abuse, was to murder and also burn the victims.
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Speaker 9: We can see this mo in different scenes across the
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Speaker 9: gaza envelope where the attack was held, So we'll probably.
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Speaker 3: Never know what really happened.
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Speaker 9: The scope of what really happened, I will.
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Speaker 3: Say, though, that what we do see.
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Speaker 9: Again in the four different main scenes, the army bases,
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Speaker 9: the kibusin the Nova party and the two three two
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Speaker 9: road are. First of all, we have survivors and eyewitnesses
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Speaker 9: to rapes and gang rapes very brutal. Many of the
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Speaker 9: victims have been shot during the during the rape, and
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Speaker 9: the apes continued after the victim was dead. We see
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Speaker 9: footage of mutilation of gender that's gender based violence, of
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Speaker 9: violence that's aimed at the sexuality at the when.
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Speaker 2: We talked about mutilation, we're talking about mutilation of female
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Speaker 2: sexual orchards.
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Speaker 9: And male Also we see cutting of breasts, shooting at
29:24
Speaker 9: the pelvic area.
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Speaker 7: Uh.
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Speaker 9: We see footage from bodies that were brought to Gayza
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Speaker 9: of jumping on the pelvis, on the buttocks, touching, spitting
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Speaker 9: at again everything this violence is aimed at the sexuality
29:42
Speaker 9: and the genitals of a person, men and female.
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Speaker 2: There's also a lot of photographs of women, in particular
29:50
Speaker 2: I'm being stripped, stripped naked. These are by naked and
29:54
Speaker 2: then paraded around.
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Speaker 9: By her mus We call this the talking bodies. Bodies
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Speaker 9: that really either taken and maybe some of them are
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Speaker 9: still not. Maybe some of them are still being held
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Speaker 9: in Gaza, and some of them were found on ground
30:08
Speaker 9: uh uh, stripped, naked fully or partially bodies abuse again
30:14
Speaker 9: to the sexuality of the person gagged, tiede bound, tied,
30:23
Speaker 9: no wonder where Bloody pelvises. Yes, And again what's really
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Speaker 9: important for me to stress is that you see this
30:30
Speaker 9: in the four main scenes of the attack, and when
30:34
Speaker 9: you see this, I'm I'm a legal professional. When you
30:37
Speaker 9: see this in different scenes, you can understand that this
30:41
Speaker 9: is a pattern. And if it's a pattern, it's free meditated.
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Speaker 9: It's not some especially brutal unit that got to the Nova,
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Speaker 9: because you see this in the different scenes.
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Speaker 2: But before we came on air, I let you were
30:54
Speaker 2: showing me some of the truly graphic and far too
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Speaker 2: graphic to broadcast image of women who their bodies, who
31:02
Speaker 2: had been completely burt to these or corpses.
31:04
Speaker 3: But you could see the signs, as you.
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Speaker 2: Say, of them being gagged or mutilation and their legs
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Speaker 2: left open.
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Speaker 3: It's just so horrific.
31:14
Speaker 2: And when you've got that sort of evidence, what do
31:16
Speaker 2: you say about all of the women's organizations who have
31:20
Speaker 2: mostly been silent, maybe a bare statement, but certainly not
31:24
Speaker 2: campaigning against this.
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Speaker 9: Now I'll say this, I'm heartbroken.
31:29
Speaker 3: I feel betrayed.
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Speaker 9: I come myself a professional feminist. All my life, I've
31:33
Speaker 9: been protesting for women. I truly believe and still believe.
31:38
Speaker 9: I didn't change the rules on feminism.
31:40
Speaker 1: Truly believe that.
31:41
Speaker 3: This solidarity right.
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Speaker 1: Did the Me Too protest show us that this.
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Speaker 9: Happens everywhere in every you know, every everywhere in the world,
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Speaker 9: and every economical status everywhere, and when it happens to women,
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Speaker 9: to Jewish women israelly women.
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Speaker 3: Suddenly we need the golden evidence.
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Speaker 9: Suddenly there's denials, Suddenly there's a reducement of the claims.
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Speaker 9: Did anyone questions the claims of the Yazdi women or
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Speaker 9: the Ukrainian women? No, because we believe, because we know
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Speaker 9: this goes as far as Bible days, the sexual terror,
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Speaker 9: sexual using the bodies of women as ours.
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Speaker 1: Yes, it goes back to the Bible.
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Speaker 9: We called ourselves the Dina Project because Dina is the
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Speaker 9: daughter of Jacob and Leah who was abducted and.
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Speaker 3: Raped the biblical character.
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Speaker 9: Why is it so hard to believe that it happened
32:35
Speaker 9: here in Israel. There's no explanation because except plain old
32:41
Speaker 9: good anti semitismism.
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Speaker 2: And that's what it is that the left wing Jewish groups, sorry,
32:46
Speaker 2: the left wing feminist groups, so called feminist groups, do
32:49
Speaker 2: not care about Israeli women being raped.
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Speaker 3: And that's just a matter. And that includes all of
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Speaker 3: the UN bodies as well. It's disgraceful. Well, good on you.
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Speaker 2: Thank you for having the strength to speak out about
32:58
Speaker 2: such a difficult topic day in day out and sharing
33:02
Speaker 2: the presentation with the graphic images. You're doing such important
33:06
Speaker 2: work and the world needs to wake up.
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Speaker 9: Thank you, I elitt thank you for giving this a
33:10
Speaker 9: staged course of course.
33:12
Speaker 2: Now after the break, Anthony Alberezi slammed over his chronic
33:16
Speaker 2: mismanagement of foreign policy. Plus Richard Miles, chief of staff,
33:20
Speaker 2: comes out in an emotional press conference, accusing his office
33:25
Speaker 2: of bullying my panel back.
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Speaker 3: Home will join me next. Welcome back.
33:32
Speaker 2: If you're just tuning in, I'm here in beautiful Jerusalem,
33:35
Speaker 2: but joining me back home in Australia is National Senate
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Speaker 2: leader Bridget mackenzie and Liberal Senator Holly Hughes. Welcome to
33:43
Speaker 2: you both well. Explosive revelations today in the Guardian from
33:47
Speaker 2: the Deputy Prime Minister's chief of staff she's made damning
33:51
Speaker 2: allegations of bullying. Joe Tanaski claims she's been effectively barred
33:56
Speaker 2: from her office and has been shunned by Richard Miles
33:59
Speaker 2: for five months ever since she complained about colleagues undermining her.
34:04
Speaker 2: Here she was at an emotional press conference earlier today.
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Speaker 10: I have been plagued with nightmares, flashbacks, symptoms of depression
34:14
Speaker 10: and anxiety, panic attacks and suicidal thoughts. I am being
34:20
Speaker 10: bullied out of a job. I loved that I was
34:23
Speaker 10: doing well. It was a job that I dreamed of
34:25
Speaker 10: having since I first visited Parliament House as a child.
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Speaker 2: Bridget this is a senior staff member in the Albanezi government.
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Speaker 3: Quite shocking allegations there.
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Speaker 11: Yeah, absolutely, and as she made mention in her comments,
34:44
Speaker 11: for women to get to the very highest of roles
34:48
Speaker 11: in this building is quite difficult, and she's at the
34:52
Speaker 11: moment the most senior female chief of staff in the government. Obviously,
34:58
Speaker 11: everybody deserves a safe and respectful workplace. We know that
35:03
Speaker 11: the PWSs has come into force and I'm assuming these
35:09
Speaker 11: allegations will be forwarded to that body as soon as possible,
35:13
Speaker 11: if they haven't already.
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Speaker 2: Holly, what sort of response, do you think we should
35:17
Speaker 2: be seeing from the Deputy Prime Minister here?
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Speaker 3: Well, I guess Shari.
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Speaker 12: One of the concerns that I have, and I think
35:23
Speaker 12: one of the most difficult things to listen to when
35:28
Speaker 12: that press conference was going on, was that the Miles's
35:32
Speaker 12: chiefs for staff she had got a phone call asking
35:35
Speaker 12: for the code to the safe in her office which
35:38
Speaker 12: contained national security documents that she was responsible for. Now,
35:44
Speaker 12: she's done the right thing in my view, at least
35:46
Speaker 12: of not providing that code, But the fact that whichever
35:50
Speaker 12: staff in the Deputy Prime Minister's office, in the Defense
35:53
Speaker 12: Minister's office was making that phone call, that they didn't
35:57
Speaker 12: have the awareness that those documents that were of national
36:01
Speaker 12: security importance, that were classified documents that unbeknownst to her,
36:07
Speaker 12: if she'd have handed that quote over, could have been
36:09
Speaker 12: opened by anyone and available to anyone. I think that
36:12
Speaker 12: is something that certainly needs to be responded to by
36:16
Speaker 12: the Deputy Prime Minister and most likely the Prime Minister.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: Well, I'm sure we'll keep on this as the days progress.
36:23
Speaker 2: Now concerning reports in the Daily Telegraph today that the
36:26
Speaker 2: nation's e Safety Commissioner has found more than one point
36:30
Speaker 2: three million Australian children under the age of thirteen are
36:35
Speaker 2: already active.
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Speaker 3: On social media.
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Speaker 2: This is completely flouting the current existing age restrictions. Bridget
36:43
Speaker 2: you know, the social media companies say they've got age restrictions,
36:46
Speaker 2: but they're clearly not working at all.
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Speaker 11: Absolutely Sharhi, I think it's really tough environment, not just
36:54
Speaker 11: for young people who are subject to a whole lot
36:58
Speaker 11: of negative influences on social media, but parents who are
37:02
Speaker 11: trying to keep their children safe, and for platforms to
37:07
Speaker 11: say they have an age restriction and they're not in
37:10
Speaker 11: any way ask for verification of age really just allows
37:16
Speaker 11: these platforms to be open to abuse. So we've been
37:19
Speaker 11: calling for a long time for age verification to be
37:22
Speaker 11: part of our regulatory environment here. There is debate about
37:28
Speaker 11: how young we set that, but at the very least
37:30
Speaker 11: we should be making sure we do everything we can
37:33
Speaker 11: to protect young people. And it was fascinating to see
37:36
Speaker 11: two premiers out to labor, premiers from the right wing
37:40
Speaker 11: malanowskis Amns promoting the fact we need to keep our
37:44
Speaker 11: children safe online. The Coalition federally has been promoting that
37:48
Speaker 11: for a long time. It'd be great to see federal
37:50
Speaker 11: labor catch up.
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Speaker 2: It's going to be a big generational shift, though, Holly,
37:54
Speaker 2: to have to see parents try and get their kids
37:58
Speaker 2: offline when there's already one point three million children under
38:01
Speaker 2: the age of thirteen. Now we're talking about raising the
38:04
Speaker 2: age restrictions to fourteen or sixteen. So this is going
38:08
Speaker 2: to be a big cultural change that families are going
38:11
Speaker 2: to have to try and adjust to.
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Speaker 12: Absolutely it is, and I've been reading The Anxious Generation
38:17
Speaker 12: by Jonathan Hayde, which ties the introduction of smartphones to
38:21
Speaker 12: an increase in anxiety and depression, particularly around young girls,
38:25
Speaker 12: but across this new generation that have grown up with smartphones.
38:29
Speaker 12: I do think whilst there is an obligation on the
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Speaker 12: social media giants to make sure that there is age verification,
38:35
Speaker 12: I do think that there are things that parents can do.
38:37
Speaker 12: You know, if your kid needs to have a phone,
38:39
Speaker 12: that's great, but maybe not a smartphone because we know
38:43
Speaker 12: some of the bullying that goes on online and the
38:46
Speaker 12: reason it continues both in and outside of the school
38:49
Speaker 12: yard is because it's constantly available on the phone. So
38:53
Speaker 12: perhaps if we saw kids go back to maybe the
38:55
Speaker 12: old I don't know, was it Nokia three ten or
38:58
Speaker 12: something that we had that the game on.
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Speaker 3: It was snafe.
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Speaker 12: You could send a text message and receive a phone
39:04
Speaker 12: call about keeping kids safe. And maybe it is parents
39:08
Speaker 12: at schools coming together and say that's it. We're not
39:10
Speaker 12: allowing kids to have smartphones until they're sixteen or fourteen,
39:15
Speaker 12: and parents get together, so you're not having the peer
39:18
Speaker 12: pressure within the classroom at the schools.
39:21
Speaker 3: So it's not just about government intervention.
39:23
Speaker 12: I do think it's time that parents start to take
39:26
Speaker 12: some responsibility here and say, you know what, you are
39:29
Speaker 12: too young to have access to this technology twenty four seven,
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Speaker 12: and we're going to do something about it.
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Speaker 1: Jarie.
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Speaker 11: It's not just about bullying et ceter that comes online.
39:39
Speaker 11: We've got young men in particular being exposed to, you know,
39:43
Speaker 11: pornography like you know Penthouse and Layboy, which was the
39:48
Speaker 11: dajuur in the seventies and eighties when I grew up.
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Speaker 3: It is just so explicit. It is violent, is.
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Speaker 11: Violent, and it is contributing to the treatment of young women.
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Speaker 11: And if we really want to see this generation of
40:03
Speaker 11: young people grow up as happy and healthy and well
40:05
Speaker 11: adjusted adults, we need to stop filling their minds with
40:09
Speaker 11: such negative and atrocious material.
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Speaker 3: Yeah. Well, said, okay, we'll just quickly to end.
40:14
Speaker 2: In a huge insult to Albanesi, John Howard has accused
40:18
Speaker 2: him of chronic mismanagement of foreign policy and compared it
40:22
Speaker 2: to even Mark Latham. Back in two thousand and four,
40:26
Speaker 2: The Australian reporting that the former Prime Minister said that
40:29
Speaker 2: Labor doesn't really have a significant grasp on the nuancewers
40:32
Speaker 2: of foreign policy in the Middle East. The government can't
40:35
Speaker 2: even make its mind up about what to do over
40:37
Speaker 2: Gaza and Lebanon Holly. These accusations from John Howard are
40:43
Speaker 2: utterly one hundred percent correct.
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Speaker 12: Absolutely they're correct, and I think we can all be
40:50
Speaker 12: grateful that Mark Latham never got the keys to the lodge.
40:53
Speaker 12: Unfortunately Albanesi did. His incompetence is on display every single day.
41:00
Speaker 12: We saw with his Turettes outburst this week the quality
41:03
Speaker 12: of his character, and I think we're seeing that it's
41:06
Speaker 12: found very wanting. But his position on Israel has consistently
41:11
Speaker 12: shown he's trying to talk out of both sides of
41:13
Speaker 12: his mouth. He doesn't know how to stand up for
41:16
Speaker 12: our friends and allies, and he's too busy trying to
41:19
Speaker 12: play undergraduate politics and appease certain members of his party.
41:24
Speaker 12: He is absolutely not up to this job. He's not
41:26
Speaker 12: up to this job on foreign affairs. He's not up
41:28
Speaker 12: to this job on domestic issues either.
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Speaker 3: Bridget twenty seconds.
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Speaker 11: Well, you know today this week we came together for
41:37
Speaker 11: October the seventh, the world said generations ago, never again.
41:42
Speaker 11: The Holocaust didn't start with gas chambers and Jews in
41:46
Speaker 11: cattle trucks. It started with protests, it started with hate speech,
41:51
Speaker 11: and it started with antisemitism being normalized. In the last
41:54
Speaker 11: twelve months, we've seen anti Semitism being normalized in our suburbs,
41:59
Speaker 11: Jewish businesses, academics and students being attacked, and most recent
42:04
Speaker 11: was reported today. It's time for all of us, not
42:07
Speaker 11: just Anthony alberneath it, but all of us to stand
42:10
Speaker 11: up and be counted when our community needs us.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and we're so grateful for the support of both
42:16
Speaker 2: of you, strong women, Bridget Mackenzie, Holly Hughes, thank you
42:18
Speaker 2: very much for joining me. Now coming up, how Penny
42:21
Speaker 2: Wang has given eighty two million dollars to Gaza while
42:26
Speaker 2: Jews around the world have to fund donations to Israel.
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Speaker 3: Plus my reflections on.
42:31
Speaker 2: This significant week of reporting in Israel that's after this
42:35
Speaker 2: quick break, welcome back.
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Speaker 13: Well.
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Speaker 2: Penny Wong has given eighty two million dollars in taxpayer
42:44
Speaker 2: funds to Gaza and the Palestinian territories since the October
42:48
Speaker 2: seven terror attacks against Israel. Yet it's been up to
42:52
Speaker 2: Jewish communities around the world to raise funds to give
42:56
Speaker 2: personal donations to Israelis affected by this war on October
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Speaker 2: seven and six.
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Speaker 3: We're joining me now.
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Speaker 2: Is the world chairman of UIA, that's the United Israel Appeal,
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Speaker 2: Sam Grundwerk.
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Speaker 3: Sam, thank you very much for your time.
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Speaker 2: Why are donations needed in Israel and who do they support?
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Speaker 13: So UIA United Israel Appeal. We've been around for over
43:21
Speaker 13: one hundred years as one of the founding national institutions
43:23
Speaker 13: of the State of Israel and Australia and the communities
43:27
Speaker 13: across Australia, the great Jewish communities, but also our Christian
43:31
Speaker 13: friends of Israel have always supported Israel, but especially now
43:34
Speaker 13: in the last year, since October seventh, the needs are tremendous,
43:38
Speaker 13: helping making, helping humanitarian, social relief. We help funds of
43:44
Speaker 13: victims of terror, the family members of those that were murdered, kidnapped, injured,
43:52
Speaker 13: and we also are assisting the tens of thousands of
43:56
Speaker 13: families that are displaced from their homes. And you've seen
43:58
Speaker 13: this yourself sharing the last week that you've been here.
44:01
Speaker 13: When you talk about resilience and the mental trauma and
44:06
Speaker 13: the help that thousands and thousands, if not even greater,
44:09
Speaker 13: we're talking about a nation in trauma, a bereaved nation.
44:14
Speaker 13: And so the communities across Australia have been unbelievable. There
44:19
Speaker 13: are great Australians who are strong friends and supporters of Israel,
44:24
Speaker 13: both the Jewish community and our Christian friends there.
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Speaker 2: And you know, a lot of people forget that there
44:29
Speaker 2: have been eighty thousand Israeli families displaced from.
44:33
Speaker 3: The northern border.
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Speaker 2: The people in the Kibltzim all of their homes completely
44:38
Speaker 2: burnt down. They've lost everything, which is why the donations
44:42
Speaker 2: are so important.
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Speaker 3: Now. Stephen Lowie's part of your organization.
44:46
Speaker 2: He gave a very powerful speech recently in Sydney where
44:50
Speaker 2: he spoke about the anti Semitism that we're seeing.
44:53
Speaker 3: He showed leadership in speaking publicly about this.
44:56
Speaker 2: You know, what's your comment on this anti semitism that
44:59
Speaker 2: spread well, Steve.
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Speaker 13: The Lowi and I work extremely closely together for the
45:04
Speaker 13: last six years, and he's a great example of a
45:07
Speaker 13: product of Australia and the opportunities that Australia has given
45:11
Speaker 13: to the Jews that have come there, especially since World
45:15
Speaker 13: War Two and the Holocaust. Stephen gave a critically important
45:19
Speaker 13: speech about anti Semitism and the importance to standing up
45:23
Speaker 13: against anti semitism, having the moral clarity to call out
45:27
Speaker 13: what is singling out the Jews, and having double standards,
45:31
Speaker 13: and he made a very important point to say that
45:34
Speaker 13: it always starts with the Jews, but it never ends
45:36
Speaker 13: with the Jews. And so it's a very important message
45:41
Speaker 13: from a leader, not just a Jewish leader, but a
45:43
Speaker 13: leader in the business world who supports culture, medicine policy.
45:50
Speaker 13: And so we've been we're working very close together and
45:54
Speaker 13: fighting and standing out against anti Semitism is incredibly important.
45:57
Speaker 2: I think it's also important to mention that the oganization
46:00
Speaker 2: Uia doesn't just help Jews, it helps all Israelis and
46:05
Speaker 2: it's a very multicultural society and a lot of the
46:08
Speaker 2: victims of October seven, actually not a lot, but some
46:11
Speaker 2: of the victims actually weren't.
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Speaker 13: Jews absolutely, and a lot of the support also that
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Speaker 13: we do. I mentioned it's humanitarian for the civilians, for
46:19
Speaker 13: our citizens. We also provide a lot to helping with
46:23
Speaker 13: the medical care and the first responders. And like you say, Shari,
46:27
Speaker 13: there's no distinction between We have almost ten million citizens
46:31
Speaker 13: here in Israel and about two million or so are
46:35
Speaker 13: not Jews, and there's no distinction. And we are there
46:38
Speaker 13: to help the people of Israel and all of those
46:40
Speaker 13: that are suffering and the connection. I'll give you just
46:44
Speaker 13: an example. In a period of just twenty four hours
46:47
Speaker 13: this week, I went to visit nine different homes of
46:51
Speaker 13: bereaved families we call sitting shiva, that are mourning their
46:57
Speaker 13: loved ones. And when I go and introduce myself that
47:00
Speaker 13: I'm from UIA, United Israel Appeal, and that I'm representing
47:04
Speaker 13: the communities and our friends in Australia and in forty
47:07
Speaker 13: five other countries around the world, and that I'm bringing
47:10
Speaker 13: my condolences and to console them in the name of
47:14
Speaker 13: all of those communities. So powerful, it really resonates.
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Speaker 3: All right, Sam Grundwerk, thank you very much for joining me.
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Speaker 13: Thank you.
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Speaker 2: Now, before we go, I'd like to share a final
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Speaker 2: reflection on the week that I've had here in Israel. Yes,
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Speaker 2: we've covered anguish and suffering and trauma. As you know,
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Speaker 2: I've spoken with two former hostages, family members whose loved
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Speaker 2: ones were killed on October seven, and Israelis who are
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Speaker 2: still desperate to bring their loved ones home from the
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Speaker 2: tunnels in Gaza. We've had tears and grief and again
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Speaker 2: bewilderment that the international community doesn't stand with Israel in
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Speaker 2: its darkest hour as it tries to defeat the terrorists
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Speaker 2: who did all of this and would do it again
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Speaker 2: if left unchecked.
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Speaker 3: But what will stay with me the most is.
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Speaker 2: The warmth, the love, the solidarity, the strength, the friendships
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Speaker 2: forged here, the heartfelt connections made. I have felt the
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Speaker 2: strongest connections with almost everyone I've interviewed. Aviva Siegel, who
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Speaker 2: was trapped in guars and dungeons so small she could
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Speaker 2: barely breathe, Elana, who you heard tonight was starved during
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Speaker 2: her time in captivity, and the leaders fighting for our survival.
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Speaker 2: We all shared determination to survive, resilience to rebuild, and
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Speaker 2: hope for a future where Israel can live in peace
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Speaker 2: and security with its neighbors, free from the constant threat
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Speaker 2: of terror. That's what the Prime Minister told me he's
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Speaker 2: working to was the number of homes that you see
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Speaker 2: when you're driving around Israel with the Israeli flag waving outside.
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Speaker 1: So many.
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Speaker 2: You'd never see anything like it in Australia because there's
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Speaker 2: so much pride here to be Israeli. This has been
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Speaker 2: a week of reporting that I'll never forget and I'm
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Speaker 2: so pleased I've been able to share these incredible stories
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Speaker 2: and experiences with you at home in Australia. I'll see
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Speaker 2: you back home next week and until then, here's James
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Speaker 2: Morrow hosting for Paul Murray.