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Tamar Greene: Diving in and Dreaming Recorded May 2024 · STOPTIME: Live in the Moment.

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Lisa Hopkins: This is the Stop Time Podcast.
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Lisa Hopkins: I'm your host, lisa Hopkins, and I'm here to engage you in thought-provoking, motivational conversations around practicing the art of living in the moment.
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Lisa Hopkins: I'm a certified life coach and I'm excited to dig deep and offer insights into embracing who we are and where we are at.
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Lisa Hopkins: So my next guest is currently starring as George Washington in the Broadway Company of Hamilton.
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Lisa Hopkins: He has appeared in the Broadway national tours of Love Never Dies, the sequel to Broadway's Phantom of the Opera, the Gershwin's Porgy and Bess and Broadway celebration of Harlem's Golden Age After Midnight, and was seen as the crab man at the Spoleto Festival's production of Porgy and Bess and as featured singer in the PBS broadcast of Showboat at Lincoln Center.
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Lisa Hopkins: He's a proud first-generation American, born of Jamaican and British parents, and a versatile artist whose musical passions mirror his eclectic background.
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Lisa Hopkins: As a writer, arranger, classical pianist and singer, he combines much of his inspiration from classical music, reggae, hip-hop, r&b, blues and jazz.
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Lisa Hopkins: His passion for performance and teaching is matched by his passion for social and racial justice.
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Lisa Hopkins: He's an original member of the Hamilton Racial Justice Task Force, now called HAM for Progress.
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Lisa Hopkins: Through his work on the task force, he has helped to organize company-wide efforts to raise census awareness, increase national voter registration and put action to the importance of investing in communities of color.
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Lisa Hopkins: He holds a Master of Music from the Eastman School of Music and two bachelor degrees from SUNY Oswego a BA in Music with a focus in vocal and piano performance, and a BA in Computer Information Systems from SUNY Oswego a BA in music with a focus in vocal and piano performance and a BA in computer information systems from SUNY Oswego as well.
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Lisa Hopkins: I am so looking forward to getting to know Tamar Greene.
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Lisa Hopkins: Welcome, tamar.
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Tamar Greene: Hello Lisa, how are you doing?
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Lisa Hopkins: I'm doing well.
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Lisa Hopkins: I can see you're responding to hearing me read that back, right?
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Tamar Greene: Yeah, I was like listening.
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Tamar Greene: I was like actually listening to the things, I was like oh, yeah yeah, those are things.
2:32
Tamar Greene: Those are things that happen.
2:36
Tamar Greene: You know, it's been a wild ride.
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Lisa Hopkins: Yeah Well, sometimes it's nice just to sit here and honor you for taking the ride.
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Lisa Hopkins: I mean, we could talk about your credits and yada yada.
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Lisa Hopkins: But at this point, here you are, the human, the human behind the headlines, sitting with me, taking a time to you know.
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Lisa Hopkins: Remember that you're, you're real and I see you.
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Tamar Greene: Wow, thank you.
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Tamar Greene: I appreciate that.
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Tamar Greene: I really do Like it is sometimes rare to to have this moment of like just being just being real, you know, and not having to, yeah, be anything else.
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Tamar Greene: But correct.
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Lisa Hopkins: Ps, if you've done it, it ain't bragging so and you did it so, so I do honor you.
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Lisa Hopkins: I mean, I honor you for them.
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Lisa Hopkins: It's pretty impressive yeah, well, I appreciate that, yeah so there's thing, there was one thing in your bio that you know, one thing is not like the other.
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Lisa Hopkins: I'm so curious.
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Lisa Hopkins: You know what I'm talking about.
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Lisa Hopkins: So.
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Lisa Hopkins: So how's that computer information systems thing serving you?
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Lisa Hopkins: These?
3:39
Tamar Greene: days.
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Tamar Greene: You know it is, it was it serves me.
3:47
Tamar Greene: Actually it does serve me.
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Tamar Greene: I've learned a lot about.
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Tamar Greene: I've always grew up loving technology and wanted to learn more about it.
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Tamar Greene: And I grew up first a musician and with a family of musicians and appreciators of music.
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Tamar Greene: But I always had the tech mind.
4:04
Tamar Greene: I always had the tech mind.
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Tamar Greene: And so when I was going to choose a college degree, I kind of just decided to not do the music thing because I didn't know what it meant to have a career in music.
4:17
Tamar Greene: I'm like I'm not going to, I'm going to, I'm going to do something else.
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Tamar Greene: And so I recognized that you know the tech passion of mine and just chose a degree.
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Tamar Greene: Basically, I literally went to the advisor and like I know computer something and then she opened the book and like there was a ton of computer things and I literally just picked one but it.
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Tamar Greene: But it served me well.
4:37
Tamar Greene: I learned a lot of coded.
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Tamar Greene: I've done database management.
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Tamar Greene: Actually, after I graduated from Oswego I actually got a job as a tech support manager for a little bit before I went to my master's program.
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Tamar Greene: So you know, I got some of that exposure and now it helps me with audio engineering and things like that, because I understand that world.
4:59
Tamar Greene: Or working with the crew at a show or something like that and understanding what they need when they tell me to take care of my mics your well is so deep.
5:07
Lisa Hopkins: Where does that come from?
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Lisa Hopkins: Where does this I get the sense from you?
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Lisa Hopkins: I don't tell me to take care of my mics.
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Lisa Hopkins: Your well is so deep, where does that come from?
5:09
Lisa Hopkins: Where does this, this I get the sense from?
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Lisa Hopkins: I don't know you, but just I did.
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Lisa Hopkins: You know, I did some research, obviously, and I'm getting the sense that your well runs so deep, of what you're interested in, where you could go talk to me.
5:23
Lisa Hopkins: Where does that come from?
5:25
Tamar Greene: oh, oh, that's a good question.
5:27
Tamar Greene: I think that comes from.
5:30
Tamar Greene: I think, honestly, comes from being a first generation American.
5:33
Tamar Greene: I think I have a.
5:35
Tamar Greene: I've bonded often and I love to bond with other first generation Americans, no matter where they come from, because we have similar stories of our parents being from somewhere you know solidly from there and they're immigrants here.
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Tamar Greene: We carry that culture here, but we also recognize that we are raised in a different culture and so we play this game of trying to figure out all the things and understand all things, uh, while trying to be our parents, you know, like whatever country you know, and also be also American enough in a way, you know, and so it's like it's just, it's this weird dichotomy of really loving where I, where my history is and my you know ancestral history, but also wanting to establish myself here and be that goal that my, you know, the dream that my parents, our parents, wanted, you know.
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Tamar Greene: So I think I really feel like that's probably where that comes from, with me wanting to devour the world and devour information.
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Lisa Hopkins: That's the right word.
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Lisa Hopkins: I mean, yeah, it's like a hunger, right, it's like yeah it really is.
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Tamar Greene: I, even when I, when I did the opera stuff, I'm like I love languages and I want to I want to learn everything I can about these languages, and so I studied a lot of these different languages and I'm interested in that and, um, when I find something new and technology wise, I like to learn that.
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Tamar Greene: Even when I first learned how to drive, I was like I don't want to drive, I don't know how to drive stick shift, so I bought a stick shift.
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Lisa Hopkins: Of course you did.
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Tamar Greene: Like I was like what kind of fool just buys a stick shift but don't know how to drive it.
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Tamar Greene: Because I wanted to learn it, I wanted to know its secrets, you know, and that's kind of what drives me.
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Lisa Hopkins: Wow, you know it's very unique because someone else might be telling me from a similar background, might be telling me something completely different, Like they might be saying to me no, I'm first generation and I'm honoring my parents brought me here.
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Lisa Hopkins: You know, they went through a lot of stuff and you know it's difficult because, I mean, you know your perspective is so wide open.
7:38
Lisa Hopkins: It's so.
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Lisa Hopkins: You know, I feel like you understand, you understand the privilege of coming and that that does honor your parents, right, but you don't.
7:49
Lisa Hopkins: But you also don't.
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Lisa Hopkins: I can't, I can't put my finger on it.
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Lisa Hopkins: You're tremendously talented, right, but it seems like you're good at everything you do.
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Lisa Hopkins: Is that true?
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Lisa Hopkins: Is that fair to say?
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Tamar Greene: uh, that's a tough question ask me.
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Tamar Greene: I don't know um I I do the best can Put hubris aside, seriously put hubris aside, and do you feel like?
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Lisa Hopkins: do you and I truly mean this as an interested person Like do you, when you approach stick shift when you bought the car, was the voice in your head saying, well, I don't know how to do it, but I can figure it out?
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Lisa Hopkins: Or was it saying I'm going to get this, I'm going to learn how to do this thing, because I don't know how to do it?
8:28
Lisa Hopkins: Where do you come from?
8:31
Tamar Greene: Yeah, I think those two sentences actually coexist.
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Tamar Greene: Yeah, I think when I find something I don't know how to do, I definitely am like I'm going to figure it out.
8:42
Tamar Greene: I talk a lot about how I grew up very shy, incredibly crippling, crippling shy, and it took me a while to get there.
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Tamar Greene: But where I am now, obviously it's like no one would ever imagine that I was a super shy kid.
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Tamar Greene: You know the way I'm on stage and do this, do this, the acting in this career.
9:02
Tamar Greene: But like I was and the way I talk about it with kids, I'm like I actually use it.
9:09
Tamar Greene: Right, they talk about fight or flight.
9:11
Lisa Hopkins: Yeah.
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Tamar Greene: And I truly do.
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Tamar Greene: I like that fight Right Like I'm scared.
9:15
Tamar Greene: It scares the hell out of me.
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Tamar Greene: So I'm going to do it.
9:19
Tamar Greene: I remember, I remember my my day view of Hamilton and I was, I was like frightened.
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Tamar Greene: I was like everyone knows this massive musical right, everyone knows it, everyone knows all the words.
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Tamar Greene: I'm really good at messing up words and so I was like, after doing all of my you know weeks and weeks of rehearsal and stuff like that, I did the hard work and then I remember standing stage left about to walk onto my first lines and like my brain started freaking out when I forgot all my words and I was like no, no, breathe and just take that step.
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Tamar Greene: You got this.
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Tamar Greene: You got this, you know.
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Tamar Greene: So I love to conquer that stage, right.
9:58
Tamar Greene: I always, even when I do my solo concerts and stuff like that I'm like it scares me to stand on stage and do a solo concert and talk about myself.
10:06
Tamar Greene: I'm like, what if they hate myself?
10:07
Tamar Greene: What scares me to stand on stage and do a solo concert and talk about myself?
10:13
Tamar Greene: I'm like what if they hate myself?
10:14
Tamar Greene: What if they don't like me, you know?
10:14
Tamar Greene: And I'm like, just do it, just do it and conquer it, because then you're that much better.
10:16
Tamar Greene: Yeah, you know so.
10:17
Tamar Greene: Yeah, so it is.
10:17
Tamar Greene: Yeah.
10:17
Tamar Greene: So with driving, yeah, the stick shift, I get it.
10:19
Tamar Greene: I'm like I can figure it out.
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Tamar Greene: I know I can, I know I'm smart enough to figure it out.
10:22
Tamar Greene: I know I can figure out pretty much.
10:24
Tamar Greene: Anything Like that's what I feel when I go into it, and if I fail, then whatever.
10:29
Tamar Greene: But I'm going to.
10:31
Tamar Greene: I think I'm pretty.
10:32
Tamar Greene: Yeah, I think you're right.
10:33
Tamar Greene: I think I'm pretty good at a lot of things and I'm sure I can do it.
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Lisa Hopkins: Well, is there something now that's kind of you know your next conquest?
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Lisa Hopkins: Is there something else that's really exciting to you that you haven't tried or that you can't do, or you think you know haven't done?
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Tamar Greene: um, let me see, I, I, I think the my, I guess my next it's like this looming project is is my album.
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Tamar Greene: That is, that has been a looming project of mine that I I actually haven't been able to conquer quite yet, not giving up on it yet, obviously.
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Tamar Greene: But I make little steps here and there and I'm working on it with friends and doing different arrangements and things like that.
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Tamar Greene: But I can't quite yet figure out how exactly I want to release this project to the world or do what to put on that project.
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Tamar Greene: But that is my looming thing, that I'm like I need to conquer this and I'm excited about it.
11:29
Tamar Greene: It also stresses me out.
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Lisa Hopkins: For sure.
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Lisa Hopkins: What do you do when you're stressed out about something like that?
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Lisa Hopkins: Do you put it off or do you go harder?
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Lisa Hopkins: What do you do?
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Tamar Greene: Yeah, I do.
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Tamar Greene: Sometimes, to be honest, I do put it off.
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Tamar Greene: I'm sometimes as good as I try to be and better as I try to be honest, I do put it off, I do.
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Tamar Greene: I'm sometimes as as good as I try to be and better as as I try to be with managing stress.
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Tamar Greene: I sometimes am.
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Tamar Greene: I used to joke that I am the one I do cry over spilled milk sometimes, like if I was to literally drop a gallon of milk in my kitchen I would be really annoyed and walk away.
12:03
Tamar Greene: I'd come back but I definitely would be really angry and like ah, it's everywhere I got it.
12:09
Tamar Greene: Ah, and it's going to.
12:10
Tamar Greene: Ah, it's under the stove.
12:12
Tamar Greene: Oh, my gosh.
12:17
Lisa Hopkins: I love that, but you probably need that every now and then.
12:20
Lisa Hopkins: Right, you should go break some bottles of milk.
12:24
Tamar Greene: Maybe, maybe I should.
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Tamar Greene: To conquer that right, just spill some milk no, that's, that's a great catch.
12:29
Lisa Hopkins: Right of noticing what, of noticing what you do, hey?
12:33
Lisa Hopkins: So I I'm guessing life is pretty busy for you right about now, with what?
12:38
Lisa Hopkins: Eight shows a week being george and then 24 7 being dad yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, it is.
12:47
Tamar Greene: Uh, it is a wild time.
12:49
Tamar Greene: Uh, my son is now, uh, will be 11 months in two days.
12:54
Tamar Greene: Almost a year and it's been a wild year.
12:57
Tamar Greene: I've been really trying to talk about conquering challenges.
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Tamar Greene: I've been really trying to show up eight shows a week because I'm passionate about what I do, I love to do what I do and this baby has been a nice little challenge of what can I do on no sleep?
13:13
Tamar Greene: How's my brain still work?
13:17
Tamar Greene: Does it still work?
13:18
Tamar Greene: Can I do even the other thing?
13:20
Tamar Greene: I mean cause I do so many other things, sometimes outside of side of the shows yeah, um, so it's been an interesting year with this beautiful little human who has us exhausted, my wife and I, all the time.
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Tamar Greene: So it is.
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Tamar Greene: It is a beautiful thing, though it really is a.
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Tamar Greene: It is a beautiful thing and I feel like you know, when you're on, you're driving and you make a different turn and it says recalculating.
13:47
Tamar Greene: I feel like my spirit is constantly recalculating, like my.
13:52
Tamar Greene: My brain is recalculating.
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Lisa Hopkins: That's interesting.
13:56
Tamar Greene: Yeah.
13:57
Lisa Hopkins: Yeah.
13:57
Tamar Greene: It's like I can feel.
13:58
Tamar Greene: I can feel the change.
14:00
Tamar Greene: You know like I'm growing with my child.
14:04
Lisa Hopkins: Yes.
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Tamar Greene: It's, it's, it's a bizarre thing, thing.
14:08
Tamar Greene: It's a bizarre thing to to yeah, to go through it's, it's so real.
14:14
Lisa Hopkins: The thing about a child is that you can't like conquer it, like do you know?
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Lisa Hopkins: You can't get like like, you've got to go with the flow.
14:26
Lisa Hopkins: And it's true.
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Lisa Hopkins: I love that there's like this conscious recalibration that you're having of like something's, something shifting.
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Lisa Hopkins: Does that scare you at all?
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Lisa Hopkins: Like, does it make you like what comes up for you when you feel that?
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Tamar Greene: he was here, we would kind of get into the cycle of you know what we're going to do to raise him right.
14:52
Tamar Greene: What music should?
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Tamar Greene: We play while he's in utero, like all the you know what would make him the smartest?
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Tamar Greene: How do we teach an infant math and want him to be a savant and do you know all this, all this stuff, we get into the weeds, even like food.
15:03
Tamar Greene: Right, we're like in this country where there's so much, so many toxins and foods and things.
15:08
Tamar Greene: What can't we feed them what?
15:09
Tamar Greene: No, we shouldn't have that.
15:10
Tamar Greene: No, don't do this.
15:11
Tamar Greene: No, we can't warm it up.
15:12
Tamar Greene: A bottle of a microwave?
15:13
Tamar Greene: No, don't do that.
15:13
Tamar Greene: Okay, we're going to do this one.
15:14
Tamar Greene: And it gets overwhelming.
15:16
Tamar Greene: It really does get overwhelming.
15:18
Tamar Greene: And like we, we, we are humans of the world.
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Tamar Greene: Right, we, we, didn't have knowledge of it.
15:34
Tamar Greene: Our parents didn't have knowledge of a lot of these things.
15:35
Tamar Greene: Not that, not that we can't try to do better, right.
15:36
Tamar Greene: But with that knowledge, we know that we can't.
15:38
Tamar Greene: We're not going to ruin this child because we're okay, let's, you know, let's let's go to the foundation that we're okay and we'll try to do better with certain things that's hard to check back in on.
15:54
Tamar Greene: It takes a little while of spiraling to come back and be like okay, I'm getting a little off.
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Lisa Hopkins: It's normal and it's par for the course.
16:03
Lisa Hopkins: But you're absolutely right, they are the most resilient.
16:06
Lisa Hopkins: They're going to save themselves.
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Tamar Greene: Yeah, yeah, that's why they, you know they.
16:11
Lisa Hopkins: They get what they want.
16:11
Lisa Hopkins: They get what they need.
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Lisa Hopkins: I mean, there are survival machines.
16:15
Lisa Hopkins: Talk about fight or flight.
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Lisa Hopkins: Right, I mean, they are fighting, fighting, fighting for survival.
16:22
Lisa Hopkins: They don't have the conscious brain that we've developed yet that tells us this is good, this is bad, it's just like no, I want food, I need to sleep.
16:26
Lisa Hopkins: I'm going to scream until I get it.
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Tamar Greene: I'm going to scream until I get it.
16:29
Tamar Greene: And too bad about you.
16:31
Tamar Greene: Right, I'm selfish, unapologetically.
16:35
Tamar Greene: I don't even know what selfish means.
16:37
Lisa Hopkins: Exactly.
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Lisa Hopkins: I came across something that you said Actually you said about, I think, when you were researching George Washington, and it stood out you said that we only know him for his wins, but he's only there because of his failures, which is a great catch, right, and that goes for a lot of well-known folks, and I just kind of want to ask you what gifts have you received from your failures?
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Lisa Hopkins: What learnings?
17:06
Tamar Greene: learnings.
17:07
Tamar Greene: Ooh, yeah, okay, let me think a little bit on that one.
17:11
Tamar Greene: Um, I I'd say I've had.
17:14
Tamar Greene: Okay, I'll answer first with the first thing in my mind.
17:19
Tamar Greene: I don't think of, um, maybe earlier things, but I think like, let's say, like I'm, I'm doing the show and I'm like not having a great vocal week, you know, and that obviously happens for humans.
17:34
Tamar Greene: And let's say, you're doing a big number, history or whatever, and like I've had I don't have to speak in this way I have had moments where I have not had great vocal weeks and I have done these big numbers like history, where you're singing kind of the first big note, and then I had like a big crack right, and that's one way I'll say like that's on mine.
18:00
Tamar Greene: You know these are minor things, but that's one way that I learned.
18:05
Tamar Greene: Actually, I, I used to be especially with opera, the opera background.
18:09
Tamar Greene: I used to be just you're frightened of, of cracking.
18:13
Tamar Greene: You know, for a tenor, as I was at least, it was like they live for the high note at the end.
18:18
Tamar Greene: That is what it is about.
18:20
Tamar Greene: That is what makes you famous.
18:21
Tamar Greene: You know, it has to be pristine.
18:23
Tamar Greene: And so I felt like in in college they really groom you to be like in fear of ever messing up.
18:34
Tamar Greene: Um, that's not reality.
18:38
Tamar Greene: It's, it's truly not reality.
18:40
Tamar Greene: So when it happens, you know, I've seen work with a lot of different people who, if they were to have a, have a crack mid-show, they would.
18:47
Tamar Greene: They would call out second act, you know, and go home and and then rest for several days and vocal rest scarf on their neck and then I'll see you next week.
18:58
Tamar Greene: You know, um, and I, you know, for better or worse, I don't know I, the way I approach it now and is I, I again strive to be, to be better and, like, learn around it, because I know I'm a person have allergies.
19:11
Tamar Greene: Um, I'm allergic to a lot of different.
19:13
Tamar Greene: I mean cats, dogs, trees, pollens, sawdust, I mean, like I'm allergic to the world in many ways.
19:20
Tamar Greene: So like I'm always going to be under in some way.
19:24
Tamar Greene: I'm always going to be facing something extra mucus, going on, it's always going to be something.
19:28
Tamar Greene: So it's not feasible for me to just call it, you know.
19:30
Tamar Greene: So I have to figure it out.
19:31
Tamar Greene: So, if I crack in the middle of a thing and I'm embarrassed, one thing I learned is to forgive myself.
19:37
Tamar Greene: Forgive myself quickly and hard, right, like and, and and move on yeah and then and figure it out.
19:47
Tamar Greene: You know, if I did that in act one, I'm like, okay, recalibrating, you know I have to, I have to approach in act two, I have to, you know, maybe do some warm-ups, maybe get some tea, checking on what I can do.
20:00
Tamar Greene: Don't push so much in the beginning of this so that I can have a little bit more gas for the end.
20:04
Tamar Greene: I'm I'm constantly doing those calculations, um, in my mind.
20:11
Tamar Greene: So that that's one thing I learned from like making mistakes, like on stage yeah, yeah, you said there were other.
20:20
Lisa Hopkins: Are there others?
20:21
Tamar Greene: yeah, no, I forgot, I said yeah damn it lisa, I actually really listen.
20:28
Tamar Greene: No, you do, You're really good.
20:29
Tamar Greene: You're really good.
20:33
Tamar Greene: Oh, let me see, yeah, I think I've had even like financial mishaps, right, like things that I've tried to do that I entrusted folks to take care and and they proved that they weren't able to do that and I, you know, and I lost a lot, right, I lost like a decent amount of money and I've learned from.
21:00
Tamar Greene: I learned from that, but I also learned from even like like family members, like watching.
21:04
Tamar Greene: I'm I'm one of 10, I have a lot, of, a lot of siblings.
21:08
Tamar Greene: My mom was one of nine, so I have a lot of like case studies in my family to be able to watch and see, and so if I'm like, okay, I see that, I see how this person managed money, you know, like well, it's interesting.
21:22
Lisa Hopkins: I mean, if I can interrupt you, because, you don't have to tell me all the details.
21:26
Lisa Hopkins: What I what I find really interesting is that I think what you're talking about, but maybe you can clarify you, because you don't have to tell me all the details.
21:32
Lisa Hopkins: What I find really interesting is that I think what you're talking about, but maybe you can clarify, is that you trusted that someone would show up in a certain way or that they could do something, or that they would do something.
21:40
Lisa Hopkins: Is that what you're talking about?
21:41
Lisa Hopkins: That you learned that sometimes the blind trust is not.
21:44
Tamar Greene: Yeah, I think the blind trust is not yeah, it's not, yeah, it's, it's not it.
21:49
Tamar Greene: So what it, in a way I'd say, like it.
21:52
Tamar Greene: It has taught me how to truly be a little bit more self-sufficient, to, like, do a little bit more of my own research, um, and be more involved in, in all of my handlings, right, like even my whatever what I do.
22:11
Tamar Greene: Now it's like I'm even if I don't know how to do it, I'm going to learn to a little bit of accounting and then I'm going to let my accountant do the thing, but I'm going to know what you're doing.
22:19
Tamar Greene: You know I want to.
22:20
Tamar Greene: I'm going to figure that out.
22:21
Tamar Greene: You know, with my concert work and stuff, like on my own, I was my own manager for pretty much everything and I just now got a manager, you know because but I but now I know how to do all of the things and I'm only passing it off because I'm too busy, but I know everything that you're doing.
22:37
Tamar Greene: You know what I mean yes, I do yeah, so like being aware I've never.
22:43
Tamar Greene: I'm no longer just like blindly, like trusting close to do certain things.
22:46
Tamar Greene: I'm involved in everything and I know how to do enough of everything to know when it's right and, importantly, to know when it's wrong.
22:54
Lisa Hopkins: That's pretty cool.
22:55
Lisa Hopkins: So how does control show up?
22:57
Lisa Hopkins: That sounds to me like control in a good way.
22:59
Lisa Hopkins: You're taking control, you want to take control and you do it through education.
23:03
Lisa Hopkins: You do it through picking the right people, and that totally makes sense.
23:08
Lisa Hopkins: Why is that important to you?
23:09
Lisa Hopkins: Why have you found that you need to do that?
23:14
Tamar Greene: I think it is because if I, if I'm involved in it, if I'm because because I know that I, I know I have sense, right, I know I have sense that I am a smart man, Uh, and, and I, yeah, and I think it's important to have.
23:33
Tamar Greene: I think it's important, I think it's important for you to be involved and to make those decisions.
23:37
Tamar Greene: I've seen, I just have seen a lot of people not involved in their matters whatever matters it is, whatever it is, and just have some major failures.
23:44
Tamar Greene: And I'm like, if you only had a little bit more education on that, like I feel like you could have really been successful at something you know.
23:52
Tamar Greene: So I just think it's really important to have maintain that level of control in your life and to make sure you are.
23:58
Tamar Greene: You are the one in charge of your own life right, your own decisions.
24:02
Lisa Hopkins: You are the one in charge of your own life, right your own decisions.
24:03
Lisa Hopkins: Yeah, I would venture to say it's really responsibility more than control.
24:08
Lisa Hopkins: It's not that you're a controlling person, but Right right, right right Because.
24:12
Lisa Hopkins: I'm not hearing you say I blame you for that and because you screwed up, I have to do it now.
24:18
Lisa Hopkins: You're not saying that You're going ah, that didn't work, I trusted it would work.
24:21
Lisa Hopkins: What can I going?
24:25
Lisa Hopkins: Ah, that didn't work, I trusted it would work.
24:26
Lisa Hopkins: What can I learn from this?
24:26
Tamar Greene: yeah, I can learn how to do it.
24:27
Tamar Greene: I love that.
24:27
Tamar Greene: Right to me, that's it feels absolutely yeah, absolutely, absolutely yeah.
24:29
Tamar Greene: Not, not like a controlling kind of mindset, just like, okay, I've learned, yep, um, let me be better at that.
24:35
Lisa Hopkins: Yeah yeah yeah, absolutely no, that makes sense.
24:39
Lisa Hopkins: It very cool.
24:40
Lisa Hopkins: How do you define success?
24:43
Lisa Hopkins: You know everyone defines it differently and maybe it'll change.
24:47
Lisa Hopkins: I'm sure it will change.
24:52
Tamar Greene: But in this moment, what does success look like for you?
24:53
Tamar Greene: Success, yeah, you're right, it does change.
24:56
Tamar Greene: It tweaks a little bit over time.
24:59
Tamar Greene: But I think the foundation of my definition has always been doing what you love and being able to sustain your life through that.
25:07
Tamar Greene: Yeah, you know so, you know, I used to.
25:11
Tamar Greene: I used to think it was Success is being rich or winning all the awards or whatever you know doing that kind of thing and having a certain level of recognition, whatever you know doing that kind of thing and having a certain level of recognition.
25:24
Tamar Greene: But like it truly is.
25:24
Tamar Greene: As and as I'm, as I'm getting older, I'm like, oh, success will be like you know, having being able to very comfortably pay your mortgage on time and um and also go on vacations, because I love vacation.
25:36
Tamar Greene: Go on a trip, um, you see something you like and be able to purchase it.
25:41
Tamar Greene: You know like, and just live with peace, peace in your life.
25:48
Lisa Hopkins: Yeah.
25:49
Tamar Greene: That would be my yeah, that would be my current definition of success.
25:53
Lisa Hopkins: I love it, hey, if we were meeting a year from now after this conversation and we were we were.
25:59
Lisa Hopkins: You're not allergic to champagne, are you?
26:01
Tamar Greene: Oh, absolutely not.
26:02
Tamar Greene: Okay, perfect, good we can still perfect.
26:04
Lisa Hopkins: Good, we can still be friends.
26:05
Lisa Hopkins: No, so if we were meeting a year from now over a bottle of champagne and you were saying you know, lisa, this has been the most amazing year, what will we be celebrating?
26:18
Tamar Greene: Hmm, well, um, we will be celebrating um.
26:28
Tamar Greene: Professionally, I would celebrating a, a new role, like the ability to creating a new role, um, from conception, you, you know, like something that's in workshops.
26:44
Tamar Greene: It's exciting to be able to pour yourself into a work, in the origin of a work, you know, and do that work and do that research, even on the character, and all that like that's very exciting.
26:55
Tamar Greene: So in a year's time, yeah, let's just toast to that.
26:59
Tamar Greene: I think there's other things that I just um, we just are.
27:06
Tamar Greene: We're in the process of buying a home, so I'll toast.
27:08
Tamar Greene: I can toast to that now, I guess.
27:09
Tamar Greene: But nice, congrats, um, thanks, yeah, so we're looking forward to like having a bit of that peace and that joy and having more space for all for us and the baby on toast to that too yeah, very, it's interesting to think about it.
27:24
Lisa Hopkins: right, we often go for these things and we know, like you knew, you knew, you've got some things in your mind about what you'd like to do.
27:31
Lisa Hopkins: I'm working with my clients, I'm always saying you know, the words you use are so important and you know, when I asked you the question as a future sort of thing, I love that you said we will be celebrating.
27:45
Lisa Hopkins: You didn't say we would be.
27:46
Lisa Hopkins: There was no.
27:47
Lisa Hopkins: If there, you're like, we will be.
27:49
Lisa Hopkins: I just point that out and that's the way you roll, like, like if that's what you want, that's what you're going to get, that's what you're going to do.
27:56
Lisa Hopkins: Clearly.
27:57
Tamar Greene: That's so funny yeah.
28:10
Lisa Hopkins: I didn't pick up on that myself.
28:11
Lisa Hopkins: So, yeah, down right, absolutely.
28:11
Lisa Hopkins: I love it.
28:12
Lisa Hopkins: So are you?
28:12
Lisa Hopkins: Would you?
28:12
Lisa Hopkins: Are you ambitious?
28:13
Lisa Hopkins: Are you open?
28:13
Lisa Hopkins: Are you both?
28:14
Lisa Hopkins: Is it some kind of beautiful alchemy of those two things?
28:21
Tamar Greene: um, yeah, you're really good.
28:24
Tamar Greene: I like these guys.
28:24
Tamar Greene: It it's so, it's so good, like to to, just to, to, to talk with you.
28:29
Tamar Greene: It's like these are such good questions.
28:32
Tamar Greene: I'm like man, all right, let me, let me dive in.
28:34
Tamar Greene: It'll take me a second to like, really answer these questions and I love that.
28:38
Tamar Greene: Um, I, I would say that I am.
28:41
Tamar Greene: I'm definitely ambitious.
28:42
Tamar Greene: I have so much I want to do in the world, but I'm not rigid in those things.
28:50
Tamar Greene: So I also am as a kid and did competitions and that's pretty much what I thought I was going to be.
29:08
Tamar Greene: You know, I wanted to be a concert pianist at one point and as I went to school for it, I practiced a lot.
29:18
Tamar Greene: Right, I practiced for hours.
29:19
Tamar Greene: You're in a room by yourself and your piano and you're practicing a ton and trying to memorize so much of this, this, these sonatas and this, this music.
29:28
Tamar Greene: I was passionate at that time about being successful in that realm.
29:34
Tamar Greene: But then I started feeling a shift in the world and I was feeling like, is it actually a piano that I want to do?
29:41
Tamar Greene: And I went to Eastman and I started seeing these incredible pianists like I thought I was good, I was pretty decent.
29:49
Tamar Greene: But I've seen these other people were like really truly incredible.
29:51
Tamar Greene: And I'm like, okay, okay, I'm gonna work.
29:55
Tamar Greene: Um, you know what, let me, let me try a little something else.
29:59
Tamar Greene: I'm gonna shift a shift a little bit.
30:01
Tamar Greene: People keep telling me about this voice thing.
30:03
Tamar Greene: I'm going to try that out.
30:06
Tamar Greene: And so I've been kind of like shifting that way.
30:11
Tamar Greene: Like I know, at the foundation I wanted to share my interpretation of music with the world in some way, my passion for it in some way.
30:21
Tamar Greene: But I've always been open to how the world will shift me and change me.
30:25
Tamar Greene: And even when I went to I went to get my master's in opera, you know, I was like, okay, this is what I'm going to do.
30:33
Tamar Greene: I like, I love this.
30:34
Tamar Greene: Like I said earlier, I love devouring languages.
30:37
Tamar Greene: And then I started really truly discovering what musical theater meant to me and what it, what the capabilities of it in the world and and the you know, the acting and things like that.
30:50
Tamar Greene: And I was like, okay, well, maybe I'll learn this actual thing and try to see if that's, that's it, cause it didn't quite feel right yet in opera, even though I still love doing it, it wasn't quite right.
31:01
Tamar Greene: So I shifted a bit, but my, I always had the still, though, that ambition of, of success in this thing.
31:08
Tamar Greene: I want to be the best I can be in this craft where I'm using my body or my fingers right For for uh, uh, interpreting text, or interpreting music, or sharing with the world.
31:22
Lisa Hopkins: Yeah.
31:23
Tamar Greene: Yeah, yeah.
31:23
Tamar Greene: So so, yeah, I do like to.
31:25
Tamar Greene: You know, I always I'm always seeking something, something new, something fresh.
31:29
Tamar Greene: I'm always seeking that next thing.
31:31
Tamar Greene: Um, as well, I'm not like, but I'm not bouncing around right, I've been in Hamilton for like six years, so like I still.
31:38
Tamar Greene: You know, I love, I love what I do, but I am always seeking other things and have that ambition to like.
31:43
Tamar Greene: I want to be seen too.
31:44
Tamar Greene: I want other people to.
31:45
Tamar Greene: I want to share this right.
31:46
Tamar Greene: I want to be seen, but at the same time, I want to, I want to share this gift, right.
31:50
Tamar Greene: I do believe it is a, it is a gift that is meant to be shared, and I want to do it with greater and greater audiences and connect more with more artists and be more and more creative.
32:03
Lisa Hopkins: Yeah, how does?
32:04
Lisa Hopkins: How does boredom show up for you, If at all?
32:07
Lisa Hopkins: I'm curious.
32:09
Tamar Greene: How does boredom show up for me?
32:12
Tamar Greene: You know I'm not.
32:13
Tamar Greene: I feel like I.
32:15
Tamar Greene: I feel like sometimes I do have two separate brains Like I.
32:17
Tamar Greene: I do feel like like I love to.
32:20
Tamar Greene: You know I am a.
32:22
Tamar Greene: I do feel like like I love to.
32:26
Tamar Greene: You know I am a introvert, I think, foundationally with extrovert tendencies.
32:28
Tamar Greene: So you know, I love to.
32:30
Tamar Greene: I love to go out and mingle with friends, have good conversations.
32:33
Tamar Greene: I'm also very happy to like sit on my couch and devour the next TV show and just like and be right.
32:40
Tamar Greene: So I'm never I'm never really like bored Cause I actually do.
32:45
Lisa Hopkins: I do enjoy time with myself well, it's a great segue, because it sounds like you really just live in the moment.
32:51
Lisa Hopkins: So when you're doing something, you're not thinking about oh, what am I going to do next?
32:56
Lisa Hopkins: It doesn't mean that you don't swirl around, like you shared with me about you kind of know that there's something, there's more and and.
33:02
Lisa Hopkins: But I think you've kind of you've created a pattern in your life where that's the way that's how it happens.
33:09
Lisa Hopkins: It sounds like there's some trust around that.
33:10
Lisa Hopkins: So you maybe don't know what it is.
33:12
Lisa Hopkins: You're not necessarily hungrily looking for it.
33:14
Lisa Hopkins: You know you're not in Hamilton going God, you know.
33:17
Lisa Hopkins: Like what am I going to add?
33:19
Lisa Hopkins: Or you go to Hamilton and you do your thing, so you're living in the moment, clearly right, you're focused on the moment, which is, you know, that's definitely, I'm all about it, right?
33:29
Lisa Hopkins: I mean, that's what it's called, and so I don't even need to ask you what your definition of living in the moment is.
33:34
Lisa Hopkins: But I am.
33:35
Lisa Hopkins: I mean, you can give it to me if you want, but you know, I feel like you're your own catalyst.
33:45
Lisa Hopkins: Has there been anything else that's ever been a catalyst for you?
33:46
Lisa Hopkins: But I get the sense that you catalyze everything.
33:49
Lisa Hopkins: You make stuff happen, you go for it.
33:57
Tamar Greene: Yeah, I am my own catalyst.
33:58
Tamar Greene: You're right, I certainly am.
33:59
Tamar Greene: But I do that by taking in the world right and taking in advice from other people.
34:09
Tamar Greene: Like I'd say, even with going to do like the Broadway musical theater, I should say I wouldn't have, I don't think, if it wasn't for, like this teacher in school, miss Watson, just was like, hey, you might want to look at the motown, you know they're doing the thing you're.
34:28
Tamar Greene: I saw you're doing this thing.
34:29
Tamar Greene: Do you want to do that thing?
34:31
Tamar Greene: I'm like oh, yeah, okay, yeah, let me, let me figure out what that means.
34:35
Tamar Greene: Thank you for that.
34:36
Tamar Greene: Um, yeah, you know.
34:38
Tamar Greene: Or like, uh, my wife, right, we, we met on tour and and she had been in the business for a few years more than I had in the musical theater business and so she showed me a lot of the, the broadway world and what that meant and inspired me to do other things or even like getting some of the business stuff together, resume stuff or whatever it is.
35:03
Tamar Greene: She really helped me with those things I've had.
35:09
Tamar Greene: It was a friend actually of mine, specifically, even in Hamilton she.
35:11
Tamar Greene: She said like, oh yeah, I think you'd make a good George Washington and I was like I don't see it, you know.
35:18
Tamar Greene: But she, she did and and it was in the back of my mind I was like, okay, let me go, let me see what's going on.
35:26
Tamar Greene: So yeah, I do in that kind of open-minded stuff we were talking about before you know go kind of vibe a little bit.
35:35
Tamar Greene: It is a, it's a.
35:36
Tamar Greene: It's a little both.
35:37
Tamar Greene: I'm like, okay, I didn't think of that thing, I'm gonna take that in, I'm gonna take it to my own mental like board and have a board meeting with myself, literally, and then I'm gonna love it and I'm gonna, and then I'm gonna choose like, all right, this is what we're doing, let's try it out you know, why did you?
35:55
Lisa Hopkins: why did you come on the podcast?
35:57
Tamar Greene: because you don't know me you know I yeah, I don't know you, but I looked at your work and I saw you speaking with friends of mine and I was like, yeah, this looks like a, a trusted human I can have a conversation with, and it's nice to, it's nice to slow down.
36:18
Tamar Greene: Sometimes, you know, it's nice to just like take a pause, uh, because in my life there is no.
36:23
Tamar Greene: Sometimes it's just go, go, go.
36:26
Tamar Greene: You know me and my wife both we were literally talking about last night's just go, go, go.
36:29
Tamar Greene: You know.
36:30
Tamar Greene: So like it is nice to just like sit down for a minute and, um, yeah, have a conversation with somebody, with a, with a decent human, and you seemed like a decent human that's cool.
36:44
Lisa Hopkins: What would you say?
36:45
Lisa Hopkins: What would you say, is your achilles heel I?
36:49
Tamar Greene: I would say as much as I, as much as I was talking about conquering these things, I, I would say that one way it manifests I'm looking for the other thing, but one way it manifests itself is my like, like the stage right thing we were talking about Um, and so sometimes that is, that is um, it, it.
37:13
Tamar Greene: it is a thing that I, I want to conquer, and I do conquer in many different ways, but it is always a thing you know, that just like, is kind of that like weakness that shows weakness, that shows up in many forms that might sway my decisions or choices, with things I might do or whatever, like you know, it is still a factor.
37:36
Tamar Greene: So, even if I'm like, hey, I chose to do this particular thing, but maybe I didn't do these two things because I let that voice speak thing, but maybe I didn't do these two things because I let that voice speak, um, yeah, or even if it's uh, I think another way that that that thing manifests itself is even in social ways as well.
37:58
Tamar Greene: I spend, I think I spend my life figuring out what that thing is.
38:02
Tamar Greene: People thinking that I am quiet, which I am, but I'm trying to analyze that in myself and I'm like, actually, no, I just, in particular sometimes with who I open up with and who I talk to, can just be completely themselves in every environment.
38:23
Tamar Greene: And I'm not that, you know, if I walk into a room, I'm like I should be, should be networking, or it should be talking to whatever and mingling whatever.
38:33
Tamar Greene: I.
38:35
Tamar Greene: I feel like this anxiety a lot of times in those, in those moments, and I'm like I think I should peace out.
38:41
Tamar Greene: I think I'm a peace out, you know, and so that's the kind of those.
38:52
Tamar Greene: It's.
38:52
Tamar Greene: It's similar to that what, what few fuels, the uh stage fright, not exactly the same, but it is a similar foundation and those two things.
38:56
Tamar Greene: That, like it, scares me, you know.
38:59
Tamar Greene: So it makes more work for me to have to conquer after, and I like to conquer, but it is.
39:03
Tamar Greene: It is this looming.
39:05
Lisa Hopkins: Yeah, I'd love to respond to that, if it's okay with you.
39:10
Tamar Greene: Absolutely, please yeah.
39:12
Lisa Hopkins: So, on the first point about the stage right, which is super common, I would, I would almost, I would almost want to pose the question to you of, I would almost want to pose the question to you of is it possible that the fear that if you didn't have it, it shows up because it works, it shows up because you go on and you conquer.
39:37
Lisa Hopkins: It's never actually you've never died, right?
39:38
Lisa Hopkins: You've never.
39:38
Lisa Hopkins: If you want to do fight or flight, you've never gone on stage, even with that voice.
39:42
Lisa Hopkins: I mean, you've gone against that voice and said no, I'm not and you haven't died.
39:47
Lisa Hopkins: But it's really interesting because you've had a lot of success and often these old voices that are in our head, I call them gremlins, old voices that that are in our head, you know, I call them gremlins.
39:58
Lisa Hopkins: You know we need, we need to to check in with them, not try to get rid of them.
40:00
Lisa Hopkins: See, we spend a lot of energy trying to get rid of them.
40:02
Lisa Hopkins: I don't want to hear it, I want to fight them, I want to, but but rather repurpose them, if you think of them as energy, our energy, and that they were there once to protect us.
40:13
Lisa Hopkins: So probably, if we were working together, we'd probably figure out when it showed up, but it might've been when you were 10 years old and you were going on stage and they said you know, you better not forget your lines, you're going to embarrass yourself or whatever.
40:22
Lisa Hopkins: So you studied really, really, really hard and it was true that you know it saved you from embarrassment.
40:27
Lisa Hopkins: So so what we can do is we can.
40:31
Lisa Hopkins: We can sort of invite it in now and say listen, I know, thank you and I honor you for helping me.
40:37
Lisa Hopkins: This voice really helped me when I was younger and when I was less experienced.
40:40
Lisa Hopkins: But like I'm a Broadway guy now, like I've done this for six years, you know I'm going to be fine.
40:47
Lisa Hopkins: But you know, rather than just firing you, I'm going to recast you in your role in my head and how I could really use you is you know if you could say this, and then you re-script it.
40:59
Lisa Hopkins: You've heard of re-scripting.
40:59
Lisa Hopkins: You just give it something else to say and it will stand down in the old message.
41:05
Lisa Hopkins: It's just old data and it has worked and it's there.
41:09
Lisa Hopkins: It's actually your ally, it's actually trying to help you, but it just doesn't have the updated info.
41:14
Lisa Hopkins: This is where your, your uh, your other degree will come in handy yeah, yeah, exactly, I was like you speak of my language, girl.
41:21
Lisa Hopkins: Yes, it's so it needs.
41:24
Lisa Hopkins: You need a reboot.
41:25
Lisa Hopkins: You don't need to get rid of it.
41:26
Lisa Hopkins: You don't need to go.
41:27
Lisa Hopkins: Why do I have that?
41:28
Lisa Hopkins: You don't need to spend any energy sort of contemplating it, but rather invited in and and and know what it is.
41:35
Lisa Hopkins: So what do you think about that?
41:36
Tamar Greene: I wholly agree with that.
41:38
Tamar Greene: I really that really resonated with me because I I do, without putting such, I think, such great words to it, it is, it is what I try to do, I try to tell, even though, what I try to tell people to do and what I try to tell people to do, things that I'm trying to convince myself to do, yeah, you know, um, but it is that like, yeah, it it.
42:00
Tamar Greene: It did show up in that way when I was young and it was a like, something I was really embarrassed about, like you know, like it showed up even when I first started auditioning in the city and I thought, you know, I thought I was great, and and then I show up in a room and realize we're in a I'm in a whole different level of ball game, you know, and I wasn't, I wasn't prepared, I thought I was yeah, and I definitely wasn't, and I really embarrassed myself and then, like a casting director or director, whatever, made a comment like yeah, next time, you know, be off book, maybe, or whatever, like, whatever it was, it was, and I was like, walk out with my tail.
42:40
Tamar Greene: But you know, like, like, so that is.
42:41
Tamar Greene: But that has motivated me to to really really do the work for something I'm passionate about.
42:50
Tamar Greene: Yep, really, you know, know the song, know this, know the size.
42:53
Tamar Greene: Even if you're not quite you want to try to be off book, but if you're not quite, at least know what you're talking about and glance down, come back up and say your lines.
43:02
Tamar Greene: You know, like those guys, it has sharpened me yep, that's what I'm saying it's helped you.
43:07
Lisa Hopkins: Yeah, you're right.
43:08
Lisa Hopkins: Yeah, so there could be a fear there that if I get rid of it, I might then not.
43:15
Lisa Hopkins: Do you see the connection?
43:16
Tamar Greene: Yeah, absolutely, yeah, yeah, absolutely.
43:18
Tamar Greene: And I and it's, it's that's man, that's so good, uh, and it's it's a little bit different, but I was, uh, tell folks too about, like what, if I'm on, if you're, if you're in a work, right, you're doing, you're doing the work, you're doing the thing.
43:30
Tamar Greene: The moment that you like actually get bored is when you mess up and when you screw up and because your brain is not in it.
43:38
Tamar Greene: So that voice, that voice has helped me.
43:41
Tamar Greene: Stay in it, stay engaged, be a better actor, because I know if I start thinking about what I want for lunch, I'm going to fail and I'm going to embarrass myself and I'm going to start sweating and my heart, my blood pressure is going to go up, all of that.
43:55
Tamar Greene: So it is, it's very, it's very similar.
43:58
Tamar Greene: I like that.
43:59
Lisa Hopkins: Yeah, and you believe I mean you clearly believe that without it that you'd be off your game.
44:04
Lisa Hopkins: I would say to you, I would challenge you and say now, Tamar, in this moment, that it's actually more likely to distract you, because when we are focusing on potential dangers, in that lower energy that you talked about the fight or flight, I call it catabolic energy then what catabolic energy is draws us towards what's painful or stressful or whatever.
44:29
Lisa Hopkins: So your goal then, when you're going on stage, if you go on that way, is to overcome shyness or overcome anxiety or overcome or get through the lines versus being which you're really good at.
44:42
Lisa Hopkins: So it's the trusting that you know, trusting that you know and again, it's great that it's there.
44:50
Lisa Hopkins: It could be a tool, right, it could be a reminder, like you could file it into discernment versus judgment.
44:55
Lisa Hopkins: So it's not so black and white, right and not so binary and just say, listen, I hear you, but I don't need that.
45:02
Lisa Hopkins: What I need right now is like, you know, give me some energy.
45:05
Tamar Greene: You know you rock, you know whatever, whatever you wanted to do, so that you can go out there and kill it yeah, I, I really I, I'm gonna, I'm gonna re-listen to this for this moment, I'm gonna, I really am, I, I love it that yeah really good.
45:22
Lisa Hopkins: Give it a shot, man, I think it'd be really good.
45:24
Lisa Hopkins: And the the other thing that you mentioned, you, you were talking about how it shows up, um, socially, yes, and you and you use the word should and I call I should, I could, with shame.
45:36
Lisa Hopkins: So when we know that we can do something, right.
45:46
Lisa Hopkins: And we're shoulding all over the place.
45:48
Lisa Hopkins: We sometimes do do it, but it's fueled by shame, but it's fueled by shame, and so that's unsustainable.
45:55
Lisa Hopkins: So I'm sure you do, I'm sure you should, you listen to should, and then you push yourself and you do it and blah, blah, blah.
46:00
Lisa Hopkins: But as soon as you lose the shame and realize that you have the capability to do this, then you step into I could do this.
46:11
Lisa Hopkins: And then the question becomes do I want to do this?
46:16
Lisa Hopkins: And once you're in, I could do this.
46:17
Lisa Hopkins: Then you start going yeah, I could, I could totally do this.
46:20
Lisa Hopkins: And then, and then you move to.
46:22
Lisa Hopkins: You know, I have this whole thing called the choice capacitor.
46:24
Lisa Hopkins: It's funny.
46:24
Lisa Hopkins: I was talking I don't know if you know noah, noah ricketts, but he, um, he said I'm putting this in my dressing room.
46:30
Lisa Hopkins: I could send it to you as well, but it's, it's a choice capacitor, right.
46:34
Lisa Hopkins: So?
46:34
Lisa Hopkins: So yeah, I call it energetic choice.
46:36
Lisa Hopkins: So we go from I can't to I have to, right where you're really pushing through to I should, right, and then to get to the other side of the more conscious choice.
46:47
Lisa Hopkins: Then it you lose the shame, right, and then you're and I could.
46:51
Lisa Hopkins: And then you go to not only can, but I want to.
46:54
Lisa Hopkins: And when you're in, I want to, it starts being connected to your why.
46:58
Lisa Hopkins: Why do I want to?
46:59
Lisa Hopkins: Because I do what I say I'm going to do, because I care about the producer, because the audience is supporting me, because whatever, whatever your whys are, you start connecting.
47:08
Lisa Hopkins: And then, once you're there, then it's easy to shift to the ultimate, which is I get to, and I get to is choice with gratitude.
47:18
Lisa Hopkins: That's when you're doing it and you know you're doing it.
47:24
Lisa Hopkins: And you're doing it and you're grateful for doing it.
47:27
Tamar Greene: These guys pencil out.
47:28
Tamar Greene: I get to is choice with gratitude.
47:31
Tamar Greene: What am I talking about?
47:33
Tamar Greene: It's amazing.
47:34
Tamar Greene: You can feel it right.
47:37
Tamar Greene: Yeah, I can feel it right.
47:38
Tamar Greene: Yeah, that's, I'm definitely going to need that, that.
47:42
Lisa Hopkins: Uh, what you said, you said to know you don't need it, you want it and I, I will definitely I will definitely share with you, that's fair.
47:50
Tamar Greene: You need it one, okay, okay you don't need anything.
47:53
Lisa Hopkins: You don't even need to be acting or singing.
47:54
Lisa Hopkins: I mean you know you don't need anything.
47:55
Lisa Hopkins: You don't even need to be acting or singing.
47:56
Lisa Hopkins: I mean you know you don't need anything.
47:57
Lisa Hopkins: These are things you've chosen that you want to do, yeah, yeah, and within those choices, we have choices about how we do them.
48:03
Lisa Hopkins: That's where the gold is, that's where the golden thread is.
48:08
Lisa Hopkins: Then it doesn't matter what you're doing, because you know what I mean, because you're really connected to yeah that's beautiful, that's profound, that's this is.
48:19
Tamar Greene: This is not merely a podcast.
48:21
Tamar Greene: I think you're you're not advertising yourself, as this is beyond.
48:25
Tamar Greene: What are we talking about?
48:28
Tamar Greene: This is I don't know.
48:30
Tamar Greene: This is, this is amazing.
48:31
Tamar Greene: This is magic.
48:32
Tamar Greene: Thank you, it is a gift.
48:36
Tamar Greene: What you have is is definitely a gift.
48:38
Tamar Greene: I've done a lot of, I've done a lot of podcasts.
48:41
Tamar Greene: I've done a lot of interviews.
48:42
Tamar Greene: This is not.
48:42
Tamar Greene: This is something else.
48:43
Lisa Hopkins: This is, this is special hey, um, what do you know?
48:50
Lisa Hopkins: Will stay true about you, no matter what happens.
49:00
Tamar Greene: I know that I'll always, whatever happens, I'll always lead with my heart.
49:10
Tamar Greene: I do.
49:14
Tamar Greene: I do feel that is a foundation of me.
49:17
Tamar Greene: That I really love about myself is that I I try my best to, you know, always leave lead with love and those intentions of um not harming in my choices.
49:34
Tamar Greene: Yeah, um, um, you know, I'm a middle child, middle of 10, mind you Right, exactly, oh, my God.
49:44
Tamar Greene: So, uh, I got to watch a lot of, you know, look up and look down and and see what to do, what not to do, and all that, but also be the um, the mediator.
49:57
Lisa Hopkins: Oh, interesting.
49:58
Tamar Greene: Yeah, and those experiences, which I think is is made me, you know, definitely made me who I am, part of what made me who I am is being in the middle.
50:07
Lisa Hopkins: I'm like.
50:07
Tamar Greene: Ooh, yeah, I hear you, sis, but like I think my brother's actually trying to say and oh, no, but sis, but my brother, I think with my sister, which is actually meaning you know.
50:23
Tamar Greene: So, so it's, it's, it's why I tick, it's the way, it's the why I am the way I am.
50:25
Tamar Greene: I really do.
50:25
Tamar Greene: I think it made me more empathetic, for sure, and like that's how I, that's how I like to lead with all my choices, is knowing that you know all these people mean well, everyone.
50:34
Tamar Greene: There is no like, there's no villain, there's no one out there.
50:36
Tamar Greene: Really, that's like I want to be a bad human.
50:38
Tamar Greene: I want.
50:39
Lisa Hopkins: I agree with you.
50:40
Tamar Greene: I agree with you yeah I agree and so if you have that understanding, it's like all right, listen a little longer.
50:47
Tamar Greene: Yeah, you know, and I love you.
50:50
Tamar Greene: You know, yeah, and ask another question, you know, like that, that's um yeah, so I always do.
50:58
Tamar Greene: I always do whatever, whatever it is I always try to lead with my heart and lead with love can you finish this phrase?
51:04
Lisa Hopkins: most people think tamar green is, but the truth is I think, uh, most things.
51:15
Tamar Greene: I think tamar has got it all together right, oh my god, it's like got it all together and very confident in all that you know and I, I think, um, you know which the, which is great.
51:30
Tamar Greene: It's a nice thing for people to think you know of it, but I think it is even even the.
51:36
Tamar Greene: The con of it is, you know something I felt, even growing up with so many siblings a lot of times people don't check on the person they think is strong, you know.
51:48
Tamar Greene: So that's the problem, right, like, and I'm, you know, I'm confident with the things I'm confident in.
51:54
Tamar Greene: You know, I'm very ambitious.
51:55
Tamar Greene: We talk about all these different things, but I'm also a human who's flawed and is going through stuff and also, you know, and and people don't often.
52:04
Tamar Greene: This is why, honestly, why I'm loving this, even conversations, so much because you're diving in on things people don't often dive in and check in yeah yeah I feel that.
52:17
Tamar Greene: Thank you for sharing that yeah, yeah, I didn't expect to share that, but yeah, whatever, you're fine, that's fine.
52:23
Tamar Greene: Yeah, that's true, yeah, no, absolutely I appreciate that, um, how do you want to be remembered as someone who really truly cared right, who, who.
52:48
Tamar Greene: When you think of that person, you smile.
53:01
Tamar Greene: You know it left you with something.
53:04
Tamar Greene: You know that I left you with something that made you feel you know good in some way yeah, in some way.
53:24
Lisa Hopkins: Yeah, yeah, that's how I feel in this moment Mission accomplished.
53:33
Lisa Hopkins: I can really feel your energy.
53:34
Lisa Hopkins: I mean you have a beautiful energy, I mean you make me feel good well, well, thank you likewise.
53:39
Lisa Hopkins: Thank you you don't even need to sing, although I've got to say your voice is like ridiculous.
53:45
Tamar Greene: But thank you there we go.
53:51
Tamar Greene: There it is.
53:55
Lisa Hopkins: I'm shameless.
53:56
Tamar Greene: Okay.
53:57
Lisa Hopkins: So let me see, we'll do.
54:01
Lisa Hopkins: We do this thing called rapid fire.
54:04
Lisa Hopkins: It doesn't have to be rapid.
54:05
Lisa Hopkins: I'm just going to say what makes you and I'm going to throw out a word, and you've probably heard this before.
54:11
Lisa Hopkins: So what makes you?
54:11
Lisa Hopkins: Whatever comes to mind, okay.
54:13
Lisa Hopkins: So what makes?
54:13
Lisa Hopkins: And you, just whatever comes to mind, okay, so what makes you hungry?
54:18
Tamar Greene: um, seeing delicious things I haven't tried yet and that could be.
54:25
Tamar Greene: That could be food and otherwise, right, yeah?
54:28
Tamar Greene: There you go and that you're not allergic to, and then I'm not allergic to food.
54:32
Tamar Greene: That's good, oh that's good.
54:35
Lisa Hopkins: No food Just the environmental stuff, all right.
54:38
Lisa Hopkins: What makes you sad?
54:43
Lisa Hopkins: Hate?
54:49
Tamar Greene: What inspires you, friends?
54:54
Lisa Hopkins: who I see being successful.
55:01
Tamar Greene: What frustrates you Not being?
55:05
Lisa Hopkins: heard.
55:09
Tamar Greene: What makes you laugh, my son?
55:14
Lisa Hopkins: Love it.
55:14
Lisa Hopkins: What's your son's name?
55:15
Tamar Greene: Amari, josiah, oh, that's beautiful.
55:18
Tamar Greene: Yeah, I'm AJ oh.
55:20
Lisa Hopkins: I love it.
55:21
Lisa Hopkins: That's great, I love it.
55:24
Tamar Greene: What makes you angry?
55:27
Tamar Greene: Disrespect and finally, what makes you grateful?
55:36
Tamar Greene: Many things uh love life, family, yeah yeah, love it.
55:45
Lisa Hopkins: So what are the?
55:46
Lisa Hopkins: What are the top three things that have happened so far today?
55:50
Tamar Greene: woke up next to a smiling baby.
55:52
Tamar Greene: That that's awesome.
55:54
Tamar Greene: Um, let's see, I'm generally feeling pretty good today.
56:02
Tamar Greene: You know, woke up pretty like lighter than than I have and, um, well, in truth, this is not not be anything like, in truth, this conversation, truly, I mean, I wasn't expecting, wasn't expecting this.
56:22
Lisa Hopkins: So, yeah, lovely ditto, and what's something you're looking forward to, both today and then big picture today.
56:33
Tamar Greene: I'm looking forward to the moments I'll have with my family, my wife and my son, before I go to work and do the thing.
56:41
Tamar Greene: Looking forward to having that time and in the future I am.
56:48
Tamar Greene: I am looking forward to having that champagne with you next year.
56:51
Tamar Greene: When we're talking about yes, hell yes oh my god, tomorrow.
56:59
Lisa Hopkins: I so appreciate you taking the time out of your busy life to be with me in the moment.
57:03
Lisa Hopkins: Today.
57:04
Lisa Hopkins: I really, I really have.
57:06
Lisa Hopkins: I've enjoyed our conversation very, very much yeah, me too, lisa.
57:10
Tamar Greene: Really, truly, truly.
57:11
Tamar Greene: Thank you for making me think, making me feel and teaching me things about myself.
57:21
Lisa Hopkins: Thanks so much.
57:22
Lisa Hopkins: I've been speaking today with Tamara Green.
57:24
Lisa Hopkins: I'm Lisa Hopkins.
57:25
Lisa Hopkins: Thanks so much for listening.
57:26
Lisa Hopkins: Everyone, stay safe and healthy and remember to live in the moment.
57:31
Lisa Hopkins: In music, stop time is that beautiful moment where the band is suspended in rhythmic unison, supporting the soloist to express their individuality In the moment.
57:44
Lisa Hopkins: I encourage you to take that time and create your own rhythm.
57:49
Lisa Hopkins: Until next time.
57:50
Lisa Hopkins: I'm Lisa Hopkins.
57:52
Lisa Hopkins: Thanks for listening.