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Sean O'Connell Show - Full POD 10-20-26 · ESPN 700 & 92.1 FM | Utah's #1 Sports Talk

• 0:00
  Speaker 1: Happy Tuesday, everybody!
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  Speaker 2: Welcome to the Sean O'Connell Show.
• 0:06
  Speaker 1: Glad to have you with us. Fun show lined up
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  Speaker 1: for you today.
• 0:31
  Speaker 3: We've got NBA season starting, and Gordy Chiesa will talk
• 0:36
  Speaker 3: with us about that. We've got a little red and blue.
• 0:40
  Speaker 3: That one might not be fun for the Utah fans
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  Speaker 3: in the building. Jerem Jordan will certainly have some words
• 0:47
  Speaker 3: about a massive win for BYU over the weekend against
• 0:50
  Speaker 3: Notre Dame. A jam-packed daily dump. Jeff Schwartz at 1 o'clock.
• 0:56
  Speaker 3: Some nickelback tickets to give away at the end of
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  Speaker 3: the show today. The Morgan Scali Coaches Show tonight at
• 1:03
  Speaker 3: 6 p.m.
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  Speaker 1: On your home of the Utes.
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  Speaker 3: Some point during the show today, we'll tell you which
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  Speaker 3: players will be joining Morgan Scali on the Coaches Show.
• 1:14
  Speaker 3: We're at the halfway point of the college football season
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  Speaker 3: for the University of Utah, and most teams in the country,
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  Speaker 3: I think, have already played six. Plenty have played seven.
• 1:26
  Speaker 3: I wonder how many teams are out there that have
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  Speaker 3: only played five games. I don't know that there's many.
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  Speaker 3: I think pretty much everyone has had their bye week.
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  Speaker 4: Already.
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  Speaker 1: In the Big.
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  Speaker 3: 12 Conference, looks like everyone has played at least six games.
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  Speaker 3: West Virginia has played seven. So West Virginia and Houston, they're... Oh, yeah,
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  Speaker 3: so those are the ones that haven't had their bye. Obviously,
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  Speaker 3: everyone else, I got that backwards. So Houston and West
• 2:03
  Speaker 3: Virginia have not had their bye yet. Seven games played
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  Speaker 3: in the college football world, six by most teams. Six
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  Speaker 3: undefeated teams remaining in the college football world, some of
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  Speaker 3: them quite surprising.
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  Speaker 1: UCLA, I think, is.
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  Speaker 3: Uh, the, the most surprising of those, I don't think
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  Speaker 3: there was anyone in big 12 or big 10 or
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  Speaker 3: sec or any land that was like, you know, who's
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  Speaker 3: going to be a top, the, the big 10 standings
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  Speaker 3: halfway through the season.
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  Speaker 1: It's going to be the UCLA Bruins. You'll notice.
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  Speaker 3: I didn't say a top, the rankings, a top, a top,
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  Speaker 3: the standings though, a four and a record in conference
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  Speaker 3: for UCLA, but some bad news for them this week.
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  Speaker 1: So, uh, we won't talk too much about the Bruins.
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  Speaker 3: Halfway through the season, I want to hear from you
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  Speaker 3: on the text line, 877-353-0700. On the tweet machine at
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  Speaker 3: Real OC Sports, you can call us if you want.
• 3:01
  Speaker 3: I put a question out on Twitter about the superlatives, right?
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  Speaker 3: Pretend that this is the yearbook. Defensive MVP, offensive MVP,
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  Speaker 3: newcomer of the year, coach of the year, the team MVP.
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  Speaker 3: maybe the disappointing things for you, maybe the guys that
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  Speaker 3: you thought were going to break out and didn't the, Hey,
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  Speaker 3: where the heck did that guy go?
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  Speaker 1: LVPs, if you will. Oh, LVPs, DLVPs. Let's go an
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  Speaker 1: offensive lease, valuable play.
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  Speaker 5: No, we don't have to skew that negative, but yeah,
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  Speaker 5: you can give some discipline.
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  Speaker 3: There have been some kind of like head scratchers at
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  Speaker 3: the very least. I we're just, we're, we're, it's a
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  Speaker 3: state of the union. State of the program kind of
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  Speaker 3: thing here, but we're going to keep a fun slant
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  Speaker 3: on it. Your offensive MVP, your defensive MVP, your coach
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  Speaker 3: of the year, your newcomer of the year, any assortment.
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  Speaker 1: You could throw your own in there. You know what
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  Speaker 1: I mean?
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  Speaker 3: Like there's always the most likely to in your high
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  Speaker 3: school yearbook. And then there's a couple that had strange
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  Speaker 3: ones in there. Most likely to become an incarcerated person.
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  Speaker 5: Did you see Darius's text? He's got a Halloween costume
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  Speaker 5: idea for you. I think you could nail it. I
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  Speaker 5: could picture you.
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  Speaker 1: Okay.
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  Speaker 3: So Darius, I'm, I love that you texted us. I
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  Speaker 3: also would like to know there was no where this
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  Speaker 3: came from.
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  Speaker 5: I think it, I think it might be a Darius
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  Speaker 5: can confirm for us.
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  Speaker 1: He might be a Big Spence check.
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  Speaker 5: It's fan Spence has been soliciting Halloween costume ideas for
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  Speaker 5: he and Porter as like a costume duo.
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  Speaker 6: Oh yeah.
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  Speaker 5: And so maybe he's trying to cross that over into
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  Speaker 5: the Sean O'Connell show too, which we are, we are
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  Speaker 5: not against that. Go ahead and give us some Halloween
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  Speaker 5: costume ideas.
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  Speaker 7: Great.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Uh, he said I should dress up as Rex from
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  Speaker 3: Rex Quando from Napoleon dynamite that I think he's got
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  Speaker 3: you pegged OC.
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  Speaker 1: I think you.
• 5:11
  Speaker 3: Carry a picture of Darla around with me. Is that,
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  Speaker 3: that was his, the wife's name, right?
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  Speaker 1: Is that what her name is? Rex Fondo's wife, his name,
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  Speaker 1: something like that.
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  Speaker 8: Forget it.
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  Speaker 1: Just say, forget about it. Does he even say that?
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, he says, he's doing a spiel and he says,
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  Speaker 5: you think you can, you think you can take someone
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  Speaker 5: like me?
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  Speaker 1: Forget about it. I don't remember the exact line, obviously.
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  Speaker 3: Bow to your sensei is what I'll be telling everybody.
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  Speaker 3: Bow to your sensei, yeah. Let's see here. Key details
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  Speaker 3: from the movie. Eight-week self-defense course costing $ 300 promises to
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  Speaker 3: give the strength of the grizzly, reflexes of a puma,
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  Speaker 3: and the wisdom of a man.
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  Speaker 1: Break the wrist, walk away, buddy system. And, yeah, okay. Well,
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  Speaker 1: you know what? I'll take it into consideration. 877-353-0700.
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  Speaker 3: I actually don't want you to get distracted. I don't
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  Speaker 3: want you to take your eye off the ball. We'll
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  Speaker 3: do Halloween costumes another day.
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  Speaker 1: We can do it another time.
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  Speaker 5: I want this to be... It's Diedrich Bader, by the way.
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  Speaker 5: The legend is the one who... who plays Rex Quando.
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  Speaker 5: Speaker 2, Speaker 0 1 of drew carries good friends. Anyway,
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  Speaker 5: I think it got him started. Thank you, James, for
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  Speaker 5: let's get our eyes on the ball here.
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  Speaker 8: Okay.
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  Speaker 1: Come on now. D railing that as quickly as possible.
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  Speaker 3: I just, I hope offensive MVP, defensive MVP, assistant coach
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  Speaker 3: of the year, newcomer of the year. And if you
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  Speaker 3: want any of like the, Hey, where are you of
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  Speaker 3: the year? We mentioned a guy yesterday that I thought
• 6:46
  Speaker 3: we'd be talking about quite a bit this year. I
• 6:48
  Speaker 3: think I even put him in my who's going to
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  Speaker 3: lead the Utes in receiving this season. I think I
• 6:54
  Speaker 3: put Kyrie Scholes as one of the options, and he
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  Speaker 3: has one catch for 11 yards. He has not been
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  Speaker 3: a factor for this University of Utah football team.
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  Speaker 1: I don't think we've seen him appearing on the injury report.
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  Speaker 3: So we have not, he had like 750 yards on
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  Speaker 3: 50 something catches last year and has not been, he's
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  Speaker 3: not cracked the lineup for the university of Utah. Now
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  Speaker 3: we'll have to do some digging and figure out why
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  Speaker 3: it was sort of an out of sight, out of
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  Speaker 3: the mind thing for me, but bring in your superlatives,
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  Speaker 3: offensive MVP, defensive MVP, whatever you want. So this is
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  Speaker 3: coming in on the, twitter at real oc sports defensive
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  Speaker 3: mvp rabbit evans offensive mvp way sean parker newcomer of
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  Speaker 3: the year braden pagan i don't think that anyone is
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  Speaker 3: really gonna outpace him uh but we'll see what people
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  Speaker 3: think a coach of the year so far best coach
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  Speaker 3: he says coach bump uh team mvp overall team mvp
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  Speaker 3: he says way sean or i would accept devin dampier
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  Speaker 3: The biggest disappointment, he says, many feel the pass rush,
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  Speaker 3: but much of that is quick throws and game plan.
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  Speaker 3: He'll go with the secondary. They're in position a lot,
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  Speaker 3: but not making the plays. I think their pass efficiency defense, though,
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  Speaker 3: I think they're one of the highest graded secondaries out there. Now,
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  Speaker 3: we almost, as we're doing these superlatives, you almost have
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  Speaker 3: to take the Colorado game out because it's going to
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  Speaker 3: make you feel bad about a lot of things that
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  Speaker 3: you felt good about previous to.
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  Speaker 1: That game, but.
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  Speaker 3: Big Daddy says, it's baffling to me how soft we
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  Speaker 3: are playing, especially when we have this nasty corner room.
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  Speaker 1: Okay. There's a little bit of a debate happening on
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  Speaker 1: the Twitter here.
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  Speaker 3: Based on what Morgan Scali told us, the QB is
• 8:58
  Speaker 3: getting the ball out quickly, and so we're not allowed
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  Speaker 3: to be disappointed in the pass rush.
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  Speaker 1: That's a, we'll see a defense rabbit offense.
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  Speaker 3: Way. Sean Parker, newcomer, Braden Pagan coach of the year,
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  Speaker 3: Mac G team MVP, the whole team, the culture sticking
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  Speaker 3: together through adversity.
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  Speaker 8: All right.
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  Speaker 3: That's now it's interesting because in season, this team has
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  Speaker 3: not faced a ton of adversity yet. I think if
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  Speaker 3: there's any mention of adversity, you have to talk about
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  Speaker 3: it being, you.
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  Speaker 1: Know, the.
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  Speaker 3: Unsettled positioning of the coaching staff and of certain player
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  Speaker 3: personnel when Kyle Whittingham left or was ushered out or whatever,
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  Speaker 3: whatever way you want to characterize that. I mean, the
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  Speaker 3: most impressive thing for me is that this team, that stayed,
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  Speaker 3: the guys that are still here really didn't blink and
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  Speaker 3: went about their business. And that includes the coaches that
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  Speaker 3: came in and the coaches that were retained on staff.
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  Speaker 3: And that's something, by the way, that we don't talk
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  Speaker 3: about enough or I haven't talked about enough at least.
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  Speaker 3: Morgan Scali was always going to be the head man
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  Speaker 3: when Kyle Whittingham left, whenever that happened.
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  Speaker 9: Right.
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  Speaker 3: And knowing that we all knew it. So of course,
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  Speaker 3: up in the building, they knew it to a higher,
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  Speaker 3: more certain degree. So guys like Luther Ellis probably had
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  Speaker 3: to make that decision over the course of a couple
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  Speaker 3: of years.
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  Speaker 1: When the time comes, will I also be moving on?
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  Speaker 3: Whether it's into retirement or whether I want to stay
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  Speaker 3: with Morgan Scali or whether I want to move on
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  Speaker 3: to a different program. Do I follow Kyle Whittingham? None
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  Speaker 3: of us thought that Kyle Whittingham was going to take
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  Speaker 3: a different job. So I think it changed the calculus
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  Speaker 3: for a lot of people. But Sharif Shah, right? Colton Swan.
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  Speaker 3: All of these guys had to kind of be like,
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  Speaker 3: all right, am I going to stay or am I
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  Speaker 3: going to move on? Am I going to try to
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  Speaker 3: elevate my position within this program, or am I going
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  Speaker 3: to figure out whether or not there's a better place
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  Speaker 3: for me? Am I going to look over the fence
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  Speaker 3: and see if the grass is greener somewhere else?
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  Speaker 1: And the core that stayed, Mark Attawaya, right?
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  Speaker 3: The core that decided to stick around and be part
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  Speaker 3: of the succession plan are just as big a part
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  Speaker 3: of and probably more a big part of 6-0 start
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  Speaker 3: than even the great newcomers. Kevin McGibbon, we love him.
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  Speaker 3: He deserves a ton of credit. Colorado was in his
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  Speaker 3: best game, but let's not throw the baby out with
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  Speaker 3: the bathwater.
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  Speaker 1: He's been really good. And you look at it and
• 12:01
  Speaker 1: you say, wow. You're awesome.
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  Speaker 3: But Colton Swan elevating himself to defensive coordinator and this
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  Speaker 3: being the top scoring defense in the Big 12 conference
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  Speaker 3: for five weeks is and still a top three scoring
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  Speaker 3: defense in the big 12 and a top 20 scoring
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  Speaker 3: defense in the nation and all these things. When he
• 12:22
  Speaker 3: is a first time power for coordinator, he was a
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  Speaker 3: coordinator at Weber state when they had some really good teams,
• 12:28
  Speaker 3: but it's a different animal in this scenario, right?
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  Speaker 1: So the guys that stayed.
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  Speaker 3: Are being overlooked a little bit because the newcomers are
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  Speaker 3: more exciting to talk about. And I I'm glad someone
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  Speaker 3: mentioned that the sticking together and being part of the
• 12:43
  Speaker 3: rebuild is, That's a hard thing to do. A fresh
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  Speaker 3: start is actually a heck of a lot easier in
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  Speaker 3: some cases. And for Sharif Shah and for Colton Swan
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  Speaker 3: and for Mark Ottawaya and for Luther Ellis, they decided
• 13:02
  Speaker 3: to hitch their wagon to Morgan Scali and to say, yeah,
• 13:05
  Speaker 3: I believe in what you're going to do. I believe
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  Speaker 3: in your vision for this program. And some of those guys,
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  Speaker 3: got phone calls from Kyle Whittingham. Some of those guys
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  Speaker 3: got phone calls from other places and all of them
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  Speaker 3: are still here at the university of Utah. And that
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  Speaker 3: is a key part of the culture being maintained and
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  Speaker 3: the culture being, you know, kind of surviving a turnover
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  Speaker 3: as drastic as the one that we watched in the
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  Speaker 3: off season.
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  Speaker 1: So that's a great tweet from Adam.
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  Speaker 5: I think you can, in a different way, you can
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  Speaker 5: include coach bump this in there, Chad bump this in
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  Speaker 5: there because he's a guy who wasn't on the staff
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  Speaker 5: last season, but he's been on Kyle Whittingham staffs. Now
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  Speaker 5: this is a third stint at Utah, right? Two other
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  Speaker 5: times with, with Kyle Whittingham. So that's a guy who
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  Speaker 5: has known the culture who has worked at least on
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  Speaker 5: the same coaching staff as Morgan Scali, not on the
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  Speaker 5: same side of the ball, of course, him being a
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  Speaker 5: wide receivers coach, um, But that's a guy that has
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  Speaker 5: probably helped a ton in that regard, too, because he's
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  Speaker 5: someone that wasn't here last year but has been on
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  Speaker 5: the staff before.
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  Speaker 3: Another tweet. naming rabbit as the defensive MVP. I thought
• 14:16
  Speaker 3: we were going to get some variation on, on this
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  Speaker 3: so far. Everyone that's responded has said rabbit Evans is
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  Speaker 3: their defensive MVP way. Sean offensive MVP, pagan newcomer of
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  Speaker 3: the year McGiven being the best coach so far dev
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  Speaker 3: being the overall team MVP. This is from Joseph on
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  Speaker 3: the tweet machine and says that Creed Whittemore will have 100,
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  Speaker 3: 100 yard games and multiple touchdown games. In the next
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  Speaker 3: six games, maybe multiple of those.
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  Speaker 1: Look, Creed Whittemore showed his value.
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  Speaker 3: Not that we, I don't think any of us really
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  Speaker 3: doubted his value, but he showed his value in that
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  Speaker 3: Colorado game in a very, very important juncture of the game.
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  Speaker 3: A couple of plays. If you take those plays off
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  Speaker 3: the board, Utah loses that football game. Creed Whittemore made
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  Speaker 3: some big catches, did some, including a one-hander like Again,
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  Speaker 3: I don't think any of us really doubted his credentials
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  Speaker 3: or thought that he was an important part of this team,
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  Speaker 3: but it probably was important that he had the breakout
• 15:22
  Speaker 3: or the semi-breakout that he did. Jake on Twitter says,
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  Speaker 3: best coach so far, Jordan Gross, offensive MVP, Way Sean Parker,
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  Speaker 3: newcomer of the year, Jai Moy, defensive MVP, Rabbit Evans.
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  Speaker 5: Jai's a good call for newcomer or defensive MVP for quite.
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  Speaker 3: Frankly, he's been awesome. Rabbit probably has made more plays consistently.
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  Speaker 8: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Jai has had some huge impact games, a couple of
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  Speaker 3: huge impact games. I'd like to see that be more
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  Speaker 3: of a consistent thing for him. I know that sometimes
• 15:56
  Speaker 3: it's opponent scheme, their blocking scheme and whether or not
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  Speaker 3: they're running his direction, right. Being, being right there in
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  Speaker 3: the heat of all the traffic. It's hard to be
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  Speaker 3: a big time playmaker at defensive tackle.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I think, Guys that have been.
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  Speaker 3: Through this program, the Star-Lo to the Lays of the
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  Speaker 3: world and the Steve Fafitas of the world and in
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  Speaker 3: the NFL when people get used to the Chris Joneses
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  Speaker 3: and Aaron Donald, you get this idea that it's normal
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  Speaker 3: for interior defensive linemen to be these big-time disruptive playmakers,
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  Speaker 3: and it's just not how things usually go. So shout-out
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  Speaker 3: to all those guys, and shout-out to, I think, the
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  Speaker 3: recognition that people are understanding that Jai– fills his role
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  Speaker 3: very successfully, but then he also plays above and beyond.
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  Speaker 3: He goes up outside of that role pretty significantly. And
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  Speaker 3: that's why he's one of the emerging stars on this team.
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  Speaker 3: And at least one person's vote for the newcomer of
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  Speaker 3: the year. Although pagan is running away with that offensive MVP.
• 16:57
  Speaker 3: This is from Cal on the text line, offensive MVP, way,
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  Speaker 3: Sean Parker, rabbit Evans is your defensive MVP. The where
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  Speaker 3: are you award? And I, there are plenty of guys who,
• 17:06
  Speaker 3: Nate Johnson. Where is Nate Johnson? We saw, I mean,
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  Speaker 3: I get it. There's too many weapons to try to
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  Speaker 3: keep happy, but very few of the weapons you're trying
• 17:15
  Speaker 3: to keep happy have.
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  Speaker 5: Elite, elite, elite speed. Like we know he does. I mean,
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  Speaker 5: what are we calling the, uh, did we come up
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  Speaker 5: with the name? Did Mac G tell us the name
• 17:26
  Speaker 5: of the formation where they're all just in a line?
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  Speaker 5: Like Nate Johnson could be a huge weapon in that,
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  Speaker 5: in that wonky formation that we, that we've seen them
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  Speaker 5: do at least once a game.
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  Speaker 1: Absolutely.
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  Speaker 3: Speaker 0 1, a newcomer of the year here, Ricky
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  Speaker 3: Johnson getting the Ricky, the newcomer of the year award
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  Speaker 3: from Cal coach of the year.
• 17:47
  Speaker 1: So far, Jordan grows.
• 17:49
  Speaker 3: I like, I like Cal characterizing it this way, the
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  Speaker 3: grievance of the season so far.
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  Speaker 1: That's good for the theme of the show. No defensive
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  Speaker 1: end sacks.
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  Speaker 8: I'm sorry.
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  Speaker 5: You have to save that for the last Friday of
• 18:01
  Speaker 5: the football season. I'm very sorry.
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  Speaker 3: We will do that now. You just gave me an idea.
• 18:05
  Speaker 3: I'm going to have to send you, send you like
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  Speaker 3: a gift card or something. It's the last Friday that
• 18:10
  Speaker 3: we just have to decide. It's the last Friday of
• 18:11
  Speaker 3: the season, the black, the day of the black Friday game,
• 18:14
  Speaker 3: which we probably won't have a show for come to
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  Speaker 3: think of it because of the name of the, because
• 18:18
  Speaker 3: it's a game day.
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  Speaker 1: The grievance of the.
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  Speaker 5: Season, or is it against West Virginia or is it
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  Speaker 5: the day of the big 12 championship game, which is
• 18:26
  Speaker 5: on a Friday or do we do it before it
• 18:30
  Speaker 5: on a Friday at the end of the post season?
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: We'll have to figure that out.
• 18:33
  Speaker 8: Okay.
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: This one from 63 51.
• 18:36
  Speaker 3: He's definitely not the biggest disappointment for me, but I'm
• 18:38
  Speaker 3: a little disappointed in dev the last few games. He
• 18:42
  Speaker 3: he's been extremely indecisive in the pocket. There's been too
• 18:45
  Speaker 3: many under and overthrows on deep shots. It's more disappointment
• 18:49
  Speaker 3: in knowing he can be that much better. I am
• 18:52
  Speaker 3: not disappointed in Devin Dampier at all right now. Devin
• 18:55
  Speaker 3: has been, he was inconsistent against Colorado. I think he's
• 19:00
  Speaker 3: been pretty darn good in every other game. And this
• 19:02
  Speaker 3: is an undefeated team that absolutely would not be an
• 19:06
  Speaker 3: undefeated team if he was playing below a certain standard. Now,
• 19:12
  Speaker 3: maybe he's not the number one quarterback in the big 12,
• 19:15
  Speaker 3: and maybe that was your preseason expectation for him. I
• 19:18
  Speaker 3: think that he hasn't run nearly as much as I
• 19:22
  Speaker 3: expected him to, but my expectations are going all the
• 19:25
  Speaker 3: way back to New Mexico when his feet were such
• 19:28
  Speaker 3: a necessity for them to do anything offensively. And it's
• 19:32
  Speaker 3: really not the case this year for the University of Utah.
• 19:34
  Speaker 3: And I think there's a strategic element to this coaching
• 19:37
  Speaker 3: staff saying like, look, we love Bird Ficklin, but we
• 19:40
  Speaker 3: don't want him to be our starter right now. So
• 19:43
  Speaker 3: we're not just going to risk you, Devin. And I
• 19:45
  Speaker 3: want you to be smart. And, you know, we've talked
• 19:47
  Speaker 3: to him about this in addition with Dev. Being hurt
• 19:52
  Speaker 3: like he was last year changed his mentality when he
• 19:56
  Speaker 3: runs the football. He is now a lot more apt
• 20:00
  Speaker 3: to dive. He's a lot more apt to get out
• 20:02
  Speaker 3: of bounds. He's just willing to live to fight another
• 20:07
  Speaker 3: down and another game than he used to be. And
• 20:10
  Speaker 3: we love that gritty quarterback who's going to sacrifice his body,
• 20:14
  Speaker 3: but not against the soft part of your schedule.
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: If he needs to.
• 20:20
  Speaker 3: John Elway helicopter at the goal line against BYU, you
• 20:25
  Speaker 3: better do it. but I don't need you doing it
• 20:28
  Speaker 3: on second and 11 against Colorado. So I'm not disappointed
• 20:33
  Speaker 3: in dev at all. And I'm, I'm actually surprised to see,
• 20:36
  Speaker 3: I understand sometimes his deep throws really leave something wanting.
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: I really, I understand that there's it's annoying. And neither
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: of us disagree with that. Absolutely.
• 20:47
  Speaker 3: Don't disagree with that at all. But yeah, Dev is
• 20:51
  Speaker 3: playing at a winning clip right now. And that's really
• 20:54
  Speaker 3: what you need your starting quarterback to do. I believe
• 20:59
  Speaker 3: that there is untapped playmaking ability for him. I believe
• 21:02
  Speaker 3: that there is a recognition within himself. Every time he
• 21:07
  Speaker 3: makes a bad throw, every time he makes a bad read,
• 21:10
  Speaker 3: you see that he's disappointed. You see that he kind
• 21:13
  Speaker 3: of beats himself up at an appropriate level. So I
• 21:16
  Speaker 3: appreciate the feedback. I don't necessarily agree with it.
• 21:19
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 21:20
  Speaker 5: I would say disappointing. I would say I agree with
• 21:25
  Speaker 5: you OC. I'm not disappointed in him. It is too
• 21:29
  Speaker 5: bad that his deep ball isn't better. I'll just say that.
• 21:33
  Speaker 5: Like that's, that's a one flaw. You can really point
• 21:37
  Speaker 5: out about Devin's game as a quarterback. But at this point,
• 21:40
  Speaker 5: like we just, we just got to accept that that's
• 21:43
  Speaker 5: part of who he is and the other things that
• 21:45
  Speaker 5: he brings is outweigh that flaw of him not having
• 21:49
  Speaker 5: a great deep ball. He has an inconsistent deep ball
• 21:52
  Speaker 5: because there are times where he drops it right in
• 21:55
  Speaker 5: a bucket down the sideline.
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: He's like, ah, there it is. Ah, do it again
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: every time. And it's probably unfair.
• 22:03
  Speaker 3: And I think it has every single thing to do
• 22:07
  Speaker 3: with his throwing platform, with how he sets his feet
• 22:10
  Speaker 3: footwork and whether or not he's anticipating that throw. or
• 22:17
  Speaker 3: he's making that read kind of surprising himself and being like, oh,
• 22:22
  Speaker 3: let me get this ball out now, and not setting
• 22:24
  Speaker 3: his feet and doing it the right way, and whether
• 22:26
  Speaker 3: he's under pressure or not. But we'd have to talk
• 22:30
  Speaker 3: with him a little bit more in detail about that.
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: If we get a chance, we will. Or Coach Gunderson.
• 22:35
  Speaker 5: Plenty of time to do. Thursday is the new episode
• 22:39
  Speaker 5: edition with Def this week.
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: All right.
• 22:44
  Speaker 3: Also, to conclude this, 6351, Braden Pagan is obviously the
• 22:49
  Speaker 3: best newcomer, but I will say the O-line looks noticeably
• 22:52
  Speaker 3: different when Obat is in there and when he's not.
• 22:55
  Speaker 3: We learned that with Colorado. He has been as advertised,
• 22:58
  Speaker 3: and that is 100% true. I'm not telling you anything
• 23:02
  Speaker 3: you don't know. Offensive line, true freshman. It's a really,
• 23:06
  Speaker 3: really hard place to become an impact player and to
• 23:10
  Speaker 3: not be a liability, right? there's not only the physical
• 23:14
  Speaker 3: maturity required, you've got to get yourself up to a
• 23:16
  Speaker 3: certain man strength and a certain body type to be
• 23:20
  Speaker 3: able to make it as a true freshman on a
• 23:21
  Speaker 3: starting offensive line. But the communication and all that stuff
• 23:25
  Speaker 3: that factors in, Calvin Obot has very clearly done the
• 23:28
  Speaker 3: work in every category, and he has been as advertised.
• 23:32
  Speaker 3: And he's not there yet, but he is going to
• 23:35
  Speaker 3: get there under Jordan Gross and under the tutelage of
• 23:38
  Speaker 3: this Utah coaching staff. And, and coach Saunders in the
• 23:42
  Speaker 3: weight room, he's going to be a first round NFL
• 23:44
  Speaker 3: draft pick.
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: He's got the body for it.
• 23:47
  Speaker 3: And he's going to be a tackle at some point
• 23:49
  Speaker 3: in his career. As Morgan has told us, Derek on
• 23:55
  Speaker 3: the text line, offensive MVP, way, Sean, defensive MVP, Carson Kalfusi.
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: All right. Someone besides rabbit.
• 24:01
  Speaker 3: Evans, newcomer, Braden Pagan, Uh, most likely to win a
• 24:07
  Speaker 3: fight with a grizzly bear.
• 24:09
  Speaker 8: Okay. I like that one.
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: Right in, right in category there. We love it.
• 24:15
  Speaker 3: Spencer, uh, overall MVP way. Sean offensive player of the year,
• 24:19
  Speaker 3: Devin defensive player of the year, rabbit newcomer, Braden Pagan,
• 24:24
  Speaker 3: assistant coach of the year coach bump. I, I love
• 24:27
  Speaker 3: that coach bump who has been here before and was
• 24:30
  Speaker 3: not talked about. We did not discuss the impact that
• 24:33
  Speaker 3: he had. because I think the player personnel wasn't a
• 24:36
  Speaker 3: hundred percent right. And the offensive scheme probably wasn't right
• 24:41
  Speaker 3: for a receivers coach to make a splash in any way.
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: I love that right now.
• 24:46
  Speaker 3: People are just like, Hey, coach bump must be the
• 24:49
  Speaker 3: difference maker because we got receivers this year. I love
• 24:52
  Speaker 3: that for coach bumpers. I think he's a good coach.
• 24:55
  Speaker 3: I don't, I don't dispute any of it.
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 24:59
  Speaker 3: But The novelty of having reliable wide receivers is wearing
• 25:04
  Speaker 3: off on the fan base to where they want to
• 25:05
  Speaker 3: give some love to Coach Bump. And having an offensive
• 25:09
  Speaker 3: coordinator that's drawing up plays that targets the first or
• 25:14
  Speaker 3: second options are receivers and not tight ends when they're
• 25:17
  Speaker 3: passing plays is a novelty, too, that obviously Coach Bump
• 25:21
  Speaker 3: is getting a lot of credit for. All respect to
• 25:24
  Speaker 3: everyone who played the wide receiver position at the University
• 25:27
  Speaker 3: of Utah in the past, but whether it's a chicken
• 25:32
  Speaker 3: or egg problem here, player personnel at that position for
• 25:37
  Speaker 3: years was the issue at the university of Utah.
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: It just was right.
• 25:42
  Speaker 3: I mean, you've had your outliers like David Reed was awesome.
• 25:46
  Speaker 3: We love Ken and Scott, uh, Tim Patrick, obviously he's
• 25:50
  Speaker 3: done some really nice, nice things. Devon Valey is playing
• 25:54
  Speaker 3: in the NFL right now for.
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: Good reason, right? There's there's guys, uh, Britton Covey was
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: a wonderful wide receiver.
• 26:01
  Speaker 3: He's a truly excellent elite-level football player. Again, you're not
• 26:07
  Speaker 3: sticking around on Sundays at 175 pounds if you're not
• 26:11
  Speaker 3: an elite player. But if you were lucky, you had
• 26:18
  Speaker 3: one guy on the roster at wide receiver that belonged
• 26:22
  Speaker 3: in that conversation for years at the University of Utah.
• 26:27
  Speaker 3: For the longest time. And so whether it was Coach
• 26:30
  Speaker 3: Bump or anyone who filled that role, you were just
• 26:35
  Speaker 3: trying to make lemonade out of lemons.
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: You were, especially when you're in.
• 26:39
  Speaker 3: The Pac-12 and comparatively, the receivers that were at USC,
• 26:44
  Speaker 3: obviously the receivers that were at Oregon, obviously the receivers
• 26:49
  Speaker 3: that were at Washington that were at Stanford some years,
• 26:53
  Speaker 3: the good years, right? The wide receivers that they had
• 26:57
  Speaker 3: at places like Arizona state were always outpacing you. The
• 27:00
  Speaker 3: university of Arizona was always outpacing you in wide receiver town.
• 27:04
  Speaker 3: I mean, in the pack, 12 years, Utah was competing
• 27:09
  Speaker 3: at the highest level in that conference with most seasons,
• 27:13
  Speaker 3: the 10th best or worst wide receiver room. from a
• 27:17
  Speaker 3: talent standpoint and coaching can only do so much, especially
• 27:22
  Speaker 3: at a position where you just have to.
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: Be able to run and jump higher than the other guys, right?
• 27:27
  Speaker 7: Yes.
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: Route running is important.
• 27:29
  Speaker 7: Yes.
• 27:29
  Speaker 3: The way that you get your hands on the ball
• 27:32
  Speaker 3: instead of body catching and all those types of things.
• 27:34
  Speaker 6: Yes.
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: You have to coach guys up.
• 27:36
  Speaker 3: So they understand the offensive scheme and they're running the
• 27:39
  Speaker 3: right routes and they're recognizing the coverage along with the quarterback.
• 27:42
  Speaker 3: But there were years in the pack 12 where where
• 27:45
  Speaker 3: you weren't allowing your quarterback and your wide receivers to
• 27:49
  Speaker 3: have that autonomy. So now this whole, this brave new
• 27:53
  Speaker 3: world of offensive flexibility and a, and a quarterback who
• 27:57
  Speaker 3: can communicate with his wide receiver.
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: And it's a word, it's a hand signal. It's a whatever.
• 28:02
  Speaker 3: And that can throw basically on timing, not on recognizing
• 28:07
  Speaker 3: whether or not the guy's open, because he knows that
• 28:10
  Speaker 3: he can trust that the wide receiver is going to
• 28:11
  Speaker 3: be where he's supposed to be nine times out of 10.
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: That's how it should always have been. That's how it
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: is at elite college football programs.
• 28:19
  Speaker 3: We spent a decade plus where that was not the
• 28:21
  Speaker 3: case for the University of Utah. So it is lovely
• 28:24
  Speaker 3: to see with Mac G and what they're doing right now.
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: Alan Jarvis.
• 28:31
  Speaker 3: One more text before we take a break and come
• 28:33
  Speaker 3: back with Gordy Chiesa. Offensive MVP, Way Sean Parker. Defensive,
• 28:37
  Speaker 3: Jai Ma. Assistant coach so far, Derek Odom. Love a
• 28:41
  Speaker 3: shout out to Coach O because... The safeties have played
• 28:45
  Speaker 3: incredibly well. Best newcomer, Braden Pagan. So almost unanimous so
• 28:51
  Speaker 3: far from the responses that Braden Pagan deserves newcomer of
• 28:55
  Speaker 3: the year honors. And I don't think you're going to
• 28:59
  Speaker 3: find many arguments against that. Keep them coming at real
• 29:03
  Speaker 3: OC sports, 877-353-0700. We shift gears a little bit. We
• 29:09
  Speaker 3: talked some NBA basketball.
• 29:10
  Speaker 6: Yes.
• 29:11
  Speaker 3: The real season is back. Gordy Chiesa joins us next.
• 29:16
  Speaker 3: It's the Sean O'Connell Show on ESPN 700 and 92.1 FM.
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: Peace out.
• 29:24
  Speaker 7: Let's get the latest on the Utah Jazz with former
• 29:26
  Speaker 7: Jazz assistant coach Gordy Chiesa. He's forgotten more about the
• 29:30
  Speaker 7: NBA than any of us will ever know.
• 29:32
  Speaker 4: Let's not get crazy.
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: Come for the hoops talk.
• 29:34
  Speaker 8: Stay for his list of the day.
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: My list today.
• 29:37
  Speaker 7: Here's OC with basketball civilization. gordy chiesa on the sean
• 29:42
  Speaker 7: o'connell show.
• 29:47
  Speaker 3: Triple header to start off the nba season boston on
• 29:51
  Speaker 3: the road at detroit philadelphia at the defending champions new
• 29:55
  Speaker 3: york knicks You can get into the Madison Square Garden
• 29:59
  Speaker 3: for the low, low price of $ 2, 163 for the first
• 30:05
  Speaker 3: game of the year.
• 30:05
  Speaker 8: Wow.
• 30:07
  Speaker 3: Oklahoma City at San Antonio in a primetime game tonight.
• 30:11
  Speaker 3: Joining us to talk some NBA basketball, our good friend
• 30:14
  Speaker 3: Gordy Chiesa, resident NBA guru, longtime assistant coach in the association.
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: Welcome back, Gordy.
• 30:20
  Speaker 3: How are you?
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: Sean, I'm doing well. Thank you.
• 30:24
  Speaker 3: So give me a sense of the, the anticipation felt
• 30:29
  Speaker 3: by real basketball people when today rolls around, when the
• 30:33
  Speaker 3: NBA season finally tips off, because it's, it's wildly different,
• 30:38
  Speaker 3: of course, than football season where you get four months
• 30:42
  Speaker 3: of it and it's one game a week and you
• 30:44
  Speaker 3: hold your breath the rest of the year. So the players,
• 30:47
  Speaker 3: you know, they they've got this kind of like body
• 30:50
  Speaker 3: calendar that goes with that.
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: And there's a rhythm to it.
• 30:53
  Speaker 3: And, and, It just feels like it's less of a
• 30:56
  Speaker 3: marathon and it's more of a sprint when you're talking
• 30:59
  Speaker 3: about football season. Basketball, very much different. Basketball is absolutely
• 31:04
  Speaker 3: a marathon. So the first game, how significant does it
• 31:08
  Speaker 3: feel for you and the other real basketball people?
• 31:12
  Speaker 2: There's so much anxiety. It's the first real game because
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: in preseason, most of the key players only played sparingly.
• 31:21
  Speaker 2: So now it's for real. And so there's a high
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: level of anxiety, including LeBron James. It sounds crazy that
• 31:28
  Speaker 2: 24th season for Philadelphia, he's playing tonight in the Garden.
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: It's the ring ceremony. Mainstays tell me that the 76ers
• 31:36
  Speaker 2: are going to ruin their party, Knickerbocker ring ceremony. So
• 31:40
  Speaker 2: there's anxiety. They're waiting for their first dunk, their first
• 31:44
  Speaker 2: corner three, their first steal. And there's nothing like it
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: where it's real now. And then as the season goes on,
• 31:51
  Speaker 2: it's the rhythm and tempo of playing. And it's a grind.
• 31:54
  Speaker 2: But within the grind, though, there's just so many ups
• 31:57
  Speaker 2: and downs. And that's why it's so important that you
• 32:00
  Speaker 2: develop a bench step throughout the season. So we're finally here.
• 32:04
  Speaker 2: It's the NBA's 81st season in existence tonight. And it's
• 32:09
  Speaker 2: really going to be a lot of fun.
• 32:11
  Speaker 3: Utah does not start until tomorrow night. That'll be at
• 32:14
  Speaker 3: Memphis for the Utah jazz to begin their regular season.
• 32:17
  Speaker 3: We'll stay focused on today's games. First Boston at Detroit.
• 32:22
  Speaker 3: You already mentioned Philadelphia at New York ring ceremony for
• 32:26
  Speaker 3: Knicks and their fans. That's why the, the opening night
• 32:29
  Speaker 3: tickets are so expensive. Probably Oklahoma city at San Antonio.
• 32:34
  Speaker 3: So obviously the NBA rolling out some big games with
• 32:37
  Speaker 3: some star players. and some big teams that expect big
• 32:41
  Speaker 3: things this year. Let's talk about that San Antonio, Oklahoma
• 32:44
  Speaker 3: city game. Injuries have changed Oklahoma city and San Antonio
• 32:50
  Speaker 3: was also close last year, but what's it going to
• 32:52
  Speaker 3: take for them to get over the hump and to
• 32:55
  Speaker 3: be a championship team with that roster?
• 33:00
  Speaker 2: Well, the Thunder right now won 64 games in 18
• 33:03
  Speaker 2: last season, and they lost that unbelievable game seven. And
• 33:07
  Speaker 2: so for the Thunder, they're right there with the Spurs.
• 33:10
  Speaker 2: You can debate it back and forth. And they'll eventually
• 33:13
  Speaker 2: probably play in the conference finals, you know, come late
• 33:18
  Speaker 2: May of 2027. So they're ready to go. You alluded
• 33:22
  Speaker 2: to Jalen Williams, who's an all-NBA performer, who I heard
• 33:26
  Speaker 2: during the season last year, and it set them back.
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: And now the question is always this, what team has
• 33:33
  Speaker 2: the best defense guarding each other and the bench play
• 33:38
  Speaker 2: of both teams, which are really solid. This first hitter,
• 33:42
  Speaker 2: Tobias Harris, who's a 16-year veteran, formerly of Detroit Pistons,
• 33:47
  Speaker 2: and he'll help them very much. And for the Oklahoma
• 33:50
  Speaker 2: City Thunder team, They're going to try to just hold
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: the course right now. But they have a really terrific team.
• 33:58
  Speaker 2: They need good play out of A.J. Mitchell, who came
• 34:01
  Speaker 2: through for them last year to continue. And there's this
• 34:03
  Speaker 2: young big guy from UCLA. I'll get some minutes, Sean.
• 34:07
  Speaker 2: He was the 12th pick of the draft via Michigan,
• 34:11
  Speaker 2: the NCAA champions, Adai Mara. He's 7'3, Spaniard, and he
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: will back up Hartenstein. and that will help Chet Holmgren
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: to play more as a stretch big man. So they
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: have these two big guys, plus Holmgren, who's really a
• 34:26
  Speaker 2: primitive player, to try to compensate going against Wembe Yamba.
• 34:33
  Speaker 3: For Victor Wimbinyama, a lot of these preseason predictions say
• 34:38
  Speaker 3: he'll be a league MVP this year.
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: He could be a defensive player of the year.
• 34:42
  Speaker 3: Obviously, he's already just at the very, very top superstar
• 34:47
  Speaker 3: in the league. What areas of his game need to
• 34:49
  Speaker 3: improve the most in order for him to be a
• 34:51
  Speaker 3: championship player?
• 34:54
  Speaker 2: Balance shooting. He takes way too many awkward threes. So Wimbinyama,
• 34:58
  Speaker 2: if I was... coaching him, is that I would try
• 35:02
  Speaker 2: to get him more unbalanced. You see, he's gangly. He
• 35:05
  Speaker 2: has those high hips, so when he gets bumped off balance,
• 35:08
  Speaker 2: I'm not talking on the lay, I'm talking on perimeter,
• 35:10
  Speaker 2: where defensive players stay in his body, and he's taking
• 35:14
  Speaker 2: way too many shots that are contested. So if I
• 35:18
  Speaker 2: was him, I would try to shoot more on balance,
• 35:22
  Speaker 2: keep working on my dribbling skills, that step back three,
• 35:26
  Speaker 2: and then if I am going to post up, There'll
• 35:28
  Speaker 2: be a running post up, meaning what, in motion already
• 35:31
  Speaker 2: versus stationary, trying to slug it out against good defense,
• 35:35
  Speaker 2: better physicality, where eventually, again, with that angular body, it's
• 35:41
  Speaker 2: a hard time against tremendous defense to stay balanced. So, again,
• 35:46
  Speaker 2: what you want to do is stay gravity more and
• 35:49
  Speaker 2: get a wider base and try to finish over the
• 35:51
  Speaker 2: top of the really defense trying to stop you.
• 35:57
  Speaker 8: All right.
• 35:57
  Speaker 3: Let's talk about tomorrow. More complete slate of games tomorrow.
• 36:01
  Speaker 3: Those three matchups today. And then pretty much everybody else
• 36:04
  Speaker 3: plays before Thursday, Utah starts the season on the road
• 36:10
  Speaker 3: at Memphis. And obviously everything is different this time around
• 36:13
  Speaker 3: for the Utah jazz. You know, last year was sort
• 36:16
  Speaker 3: of like a formality. Hey, celebrate the basketball season coming back.
• 36:21
  Speaker 3: let's look and see what these young players do and
• 36:23
  Speaker 3: how they develop. But at the end of the day,
• 36:25
  Speaker 3: we knew what the results were going to be. Now
• 36:28
  Speaker 3: it's about chasing something significant. Now it's about seeing how
• 36:32
  Speaker 3: these young players develop, but in wins, we hope in wins,
• 36:36
  Speaker 3: they start against a vulnerable Memphis team who is favorites
• 36:40
  Speaker 3: here in this one. What do you need to see
• 36:43
  Speaker 3: in game one for this Utah jazz team to make
• 36:46
  Speaker 3: you feel like this season is going to.
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: Go the way we want it to go?
• 36:52
  Speaker 2: Defensively trying to create turnovers and that's active defense and
• 36:57
  Speaker 2: being early help position. It's always talk about it. If
• 37:01
  Speaker 2: you're late in help, there's really no help then. You
• 37:04
  Speaker 2: have to be early and help. So Zach Eadie, the
• 37:07
  Speaker 2: very huge person that played the starting center for the
• 37:11
  Speaker 2: Memphis Grizzlies, he only played 11 games last year. So
• 37:14
  Speaker 2: people forget that he wasn't there. So the Grizzlies, like
• 37:17
  Speaker 2: the Jazz, they were injury-prone, but also they set guys out.
• 37:20
  Speaker 2: The Grizzlies didn't. They were actually more injury-related. They won
• 37:25
  Speaker 2: 25 games. Jazz won 22 last year, but Zach Eadie's back.
• 37:28
  Speaker 2: Jazz don't play tomorrow night without Yusef Nurkic, who he
• 37:31
  Speaker 2: knows out for the first– 14 to 16 games, and
• 37:36
  Speaker 2: he's physical. Nurkic is out with a plantar tear on
• 37:40
  Speaker 2: his second toe and his right foot, which means now
• 37:43
  Speaker 2: that Jackson Hayes, who's a lightweight, more bomber, a little
• 37:47
  Speaker 2: more stronger, and just recently acquired a Tony Bradley, formerly
• 37:53
  Speaker 2: drafted by the Jazz back in 2017, they've got a
• 37:57
  Speaker 2: battle against Zach Eady. The flip side for the Jazz
• 38:00
  Speaker 2: point of view is that They can score the balls.
• 38:03
  Speaker 2: They've got to be able to defend it. Next part
• 38:06
  Speaker 2: about it, Cam Boozer. So it's interesting, Sean, in game
• 38:09
  Speaker 2: one of the NBA season, the second pick of the draft,
• 38:13
  Speaker 2: Darren Peterson, who we know is a major talent as
• 38:16
  Speaker 2: a I'll call him a guard. He's not really a
• 38:19
  Speaker 2: point guard. He's a guard that can score the ball
• 38:22
  Speaker 2: and can pass off the dribble. Now going against, not
• 38:25
  Speaker 2: head up though, but going against Cam Boozer, who's his
• 38:28
  Speaker 2: third pick at a draft. Also adding a palace intrigue
• 38:31
  Speaker 2: right now, his former jazz alumni, Taylor Hendricks, who the
• 38:35
  Speaker 2: jazz drafted back in 2023, Sean, next pick at a draft.
• 38:39
  Speaker 2: And they traded with a Walter Clayton for a J
• 38:42
  Speaker 2: for a, Jaren Jackson Jr. will play now also against
• 38:46
  Speaker 2: the Jazz. So there's so many different things that are
• 38:48
  Speaker 2: going in this game. The most important thing, though, is
• 38:51
  Speaker 2: that the Jazz defense has to improve and be more physical.
• 38:55
  Speaker 2: So we'll see if game one, if that happens right now.
• 38:59
  Speaker 3: Gordy Chiesa is our guest talking all things NBA basketball.
• 39:03
  Speaker 3: A lot of attention is going to be focused on
• 39:05
  Speaker 3: Darren Peterson as we watch this professional journey begin for him.
• 39:10
  Speaker 3: How close to the Rookie of the Year conversation does
• 39:13
  Speaker 3: he need to be for the Jazz to say, yep,
• 39:16
  Speaker 3: that was the right guy, that's exactly what we want
• 39:19
  Speaker 3: from him?
• 39:23
  Speaker 2: Well, I mean, the contention, see, again, the Rookie of
• 39:25
  Speaker 2: the Year, usually speaking, it's someone that right away you're
• 39:29
  Speaker 2: going to, be one of the primary scorers, like from
• 39:32
  Speaker 2: day one. So I just described A.J. DeBonser, who's hurt
• 39:36
  Speaker 2: right now, ironically.
• 39:37
  Speaker 8: A.J.
• 39:38
  Speaker 2: 's not playing tomorrow against Milwaukee Bucks. He has a
• 39:41
  Speaker 2: left sprained ankle. So his NBA debut will be suddenly
• 39:46
  Speaker 2: delayed some. So DeBonser... Darren Peterson, they're all going to
• 39:52
  Speaker 2: score the ball. But part of that will be, can
• 39:54
  Speaker 2: I score to help our team improve dramatically? That's a
• 39:59
  Speaker 2: big question. If you said to me right now, rookie
• 40:02
  Speaker 2: of the year who could be would be either Cam Boos,
• 40:05
  Speaker 2: but he's going to be one of the first options offensively,
• 40:08
  Speaker 2: or Caleb Wilson of the Chicago Bulls should be also
• 40:14
  Speaker 2: right there. So the top four picks last year, all
• 40:17
  Speaker 2: four of them, are going to get playing time. They're
• 40:19
  Speaker 2: all going to start, and they're all going to be
• 40:22
  Speaker 2: possibly either the second option or maybe even the first
• 40:27
  Speaker 2: based on how it plays out.
• 40:32
  Speaker 1: Who else are you watching around the league in this
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: first week, Gordy? What other teams? Because you can't watch
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: the whole slate, right?
• 40:38
  Speaker 3: Obviously, they're rolling out the three tonight because they want
• 40:40
  Speaker 3: to feature those. Tomorrow, it's a crowded schedule of games.
• 40:45
  Speaker 3: What teams have intrigued you with what they've done in
• 40:48
  Speaker 3: the offseason or maybe what they did last year and
• 40:50
  Speaker 3: you expect a big step forward?
• 40:53
  Speaker 2: Mamie Heath. I'm looking to see with Giannis, who we
• 40:57
  Speaker 2: know is an absolute MVP candidate again, and what he
• 41:01
  Speaker 2: does with the Heat. They have a great system. They
• 41:04
  Speaker 2: used to play slower and defensive-minded. Last year, they were
• 41:08
  Speaker 2: first in the NBA in pace offensively. So they made
• 41:12
  Speaker 2: that transaction of doing it. Now they added Giannis. And
• 41:16
  Speaker 2: he added Klay Thompson as a shooter. So now the
• 41:22
  Speaker 2: question is, can Davian Mitchell, who's going to be the
• 41:25
  Speaker 2: starting point guard, can he hold in there against the
• 41:28
  Speaker 2: other starting point guards? Can Andrew Wiggins make another step?
• 41:33
  Speaker 2: Can Tim Hardaway off the bench score the ball for them?
• 41:37
  Speaker 2: But Giannis is the biggest acquisition, along with Bobby Portis
• 41:42
  Speaker 2: is part of that trade, and they left out purposely
• 41:44
  Speaker 2: the rocker Gibraltar, Bam Adebato. So the Heat could make
• 41:49
  Speaker 2: the biggest underrated movement in the Eastern Conference because they
• 41:53
  Speaker 2: are talented. They have been one of the best coaches
• 41:56
  Speaker 2: in the NBA and Eric Spolstrom, and no one's talking
• 41:59
  Speaker 2: about them. So, again, I'm following the Heat, and especially Giannis.
• 42:03
  Speaker 2: Can he be... mentally focused now with a new team
• 42:08
  Speaker 2: in South Beach, can it give them a new energy level?
• 42:12
  Speaker 2: You know, Sean, like any business, when you change, quote, jobs,
• 42:16
  Speaker 2: change teams, it gives you a second chance now, almost
• 42:19
  Speaker 2: like a do-over, the things they didn't like or didn't
• 42:22
  Speaker 2: do well based on you with the new situation. I
• 42:26
  Speaker 2: told you so I can still play.
• 42:29
  Speaker 3: Gordy, who's going to be the... League MVP, who's going
• 42:33
  Speaker 3: to be the defensive player of the year? Who's going
• 42:34
  Speaker 3: to be the coach of the year?
• 42:39
  Speaker 2: Let's go first. Defensive player of the year, Victor Wembe-Yomber. Absolutely.
• 42:44
  Speaker 2: He will be. He changes every game defensively. He can
• 42:47
  Speaker 2: steal the ball, and he really plays hard, which is
• 42:50
  Speaker 2: actually commendable. All right, MVP. I'm going to lean towards.
• 42:58
  Speaker 7: Giannis.
• 43:00
  Speaker 8: Giannis.
• 43:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Giannis over Nikolai Jokic, who we all love also,
• 43:06
  Speaker 2: and Shea Julius Alexander. Again, all those guys are certainly worthy. Absolutely.
• 43:12
  Speaker 2: I'm just going to lean towards Giannis this year as
• 43:15
  Speaker 2: far as a rebirth. So it's going to be interesting.
• 43:19
  Speaker 2: You said coach of the year. Usually speaking, Sean, most
• 43:25
  Speaker 2: times it's a team that is a turnaround coach, you know,
• 43:28
  Speaker 2: where the team was struggling and then suddenly they turned
• 43:31
  Speaker 2: it around based on either injuries now came back, those
• 43:35
  Speaker 2: players came back, or it's a pop in the air
• 43:38
  Speaker 2: as far as just really getting better. So with that said,
• 43:48
  Speaker 2: I think it's going to be Quinn Snyder of the
• 43:51
  Speaker 2: Atlanta Hawks.
• 43:51
  Speaker 8: Okay.
• 43:53
  Speaker 2: Who has a good roster, and they did very well
• 43:56
  Speaker 2: last year. Sean, I have a question for you, though. Sean,
• 43:58
  Speaker 2: do you realize that right now the NBA is the
• 44:02
  Speaker 2: 81st season and that it's been so many people from
• 44:08
  Speaker 2: different countries. This year, Sean, to start the season right
• 44:12
  Speaker 2: now today, they are 125 international players in the NBA.
• 44:17
  Speaker 2: including 41 countries and six continents. So, Sean, here's the
• 44:22
  Speaker 2: question to you. Name me all the continents that NBA
• 44:27
  Speaker 2: players are coming from.
• 44:31
  Speaker 3: Well, every one of them except Antarctica sounds like it's represented, right?
• 44:34
  Speaker 3: North America, South America, tons from Europe. Africa has a few. Asia, obviously,
• 44:41
  Speaker 3: is such a massive continent.
• 44:43
  Speaker 1: It spans.
• 44:44
  Speaker 3: all of those West Asian countries. And I don't think
• 44:47
  Speaker 3: there's many from Southeast Asia, but every single one except
• 44:51
  Speaker 3: Antarctica in Australia, right?
• 44:54
  Speaker 2: No, the answer is you're correct.
• 44:56
  Speaker 7: Right.
• 44:57
  Speaker 2: The only continent not represented in the NBA roster is Antarctica.
• 45:02
  Speaker 2: And so, yeah, Australia with all the players. So this
• 45:05
  Speaker 2: year in the NBA, the leading country as far as
• 45:08
  Speaker 2: with the most players that are non-American. is France, led
• 45:12
  Speaker 2: by Victor Wambayama. They have 17 guys on their roster,
• 45:16
  Speaker 2: and Canada is second international players with 16, and Australia
• 45:21
  Speaker 2: is third with nine players. So, Sean, I'm impressed by
• 45:25
  Speaker 2: your sixth-grade geography teacher that taught you very well about Antarctica.
• 45:30
  Speaker 2: I'm very impressed.
• 45:31
  Speaker 7: Yes.
• 45:33
  Speaker 1: No penguins playing in the NBA, as far as we know.
• 45:37
  Speaker 2: But you never know, Sean. The globalization, who knows, Sean,
• 45:41
  Speaker 2: someday you might own that team someday, you and James Peterson.
• 45:45
  Speaker 3: I could see putting an NBA franchise down there just
• 45:49
  Speaker 3: off the coast of Patagonia, Antarctica.
• 45:52
  Speaker 2: Absolutely.
• 45:53
  Speaker 1: There we go.
• 45:53
  Speaker 2: And, Sean, just one quick thing about it before I
• 45:55
  Speaker 2: get to the list. So now is getting this NBA
• 46:00
  Speaker 2: season starts, but also the sadness of some guys getting cut.
• 46:05
  Speaker 2: So locally here, Dylan Jones, a former first-round pick of
• 46:08
  Speaker 2: the Thunder via Weber State, got cut by the 76ers.
• 46:13
  Speaker 2: So this Saturday is the G League draft. So probably
• 46:17
  Speaker 2: Dylan Jones will be in the draft also. And Gabe Mattson,
• 46:21
  Speaker 2: former Utah standout, was cut recently by the Heat. And
• 46:25
  Speaker 2: then cut recently... Happened yesterday by the Grizzlies was Walter Clayton,
• 46:32
  Speaker 2: the 18th pick of the draft. So he'll be dropping
• 46:34
  Speaker 2: the G League come draft day on Saturday. And also
• 46:39
  Speaker 2: cut was Dwight Powell, a 12-year veteran of them. Dallas
• 46:46
  Speaker 2: Mavericks got cut. And interesting with the Lakers, my last
• 46:49
  Speaker 2: one is the Lakers. Dalton Kinnick, who once scored 40
• 46:52
  Speaker 2: points in an NBA game versus the Jazz, who was
• 46:55
  Speaker 2: the 17th pick of the 2024 draft, got cut. So, Sean,
• 47:00
  Speaker 2: NBA basketball is very exhilarating, but also the business of
• 47:04
  Speaker 2: basketball sometimes is very cruel.
• 47:07
  Speaker 1: What's your list today, Gordy?
• 47:09
  Speaker 2: My list today, Sean, is based on playing the game
• 47:14
  Speaker 2: as far as being available. All-time franchise leaders of the
• 47:18
  Speaker 2: Utah Jazz, of most games played, were in Utah Jazz uniform.
• 47:23
  Speaker 2: This is just only playing for the Jazz career games played.
• 47:28
  Speaker 2: I had to join to coach eight of these players
• 47:31
  Speaker 2: on this list. I cut it off at 10. The
• 47:33
  Speaker 2: 10th most games played by a jazz player in a
• 47:36
  Speaker 2: jazz uniform. Number 10, Rudy Gobert. He played in 611
• 47:41
  Speaker 2: jazz games. Number nine, his nickname was B.
• 47:44
  Speaker 7: Russ.
• 47:44
  Speaker 2: Brian Russell played in 628 games. Number eight, nickname was D.
• 47:50
  Speaker 7: Fave.
• 47:50
  Speaker 2: Derek Favors played in 644 jazz games. Number seven, The
• 47:56
  Speaker 2: jazz-owned Russian comet, Andrei Karolinko, he played in a total
• 48:00
  Speaker 2: of 681 games. Number six, Greg Ostertag, Big O, played
• 48:05
  Speaker 2: in 700 jazz games. Number five, all-time, Big T, Thurl Bailey,
• 48:11
  Speaker 2: played in 708 jazz games. Number four, all-time, Dr. Donkenstein,
• 48:17
  Speaker 2: Del Griffin, played in 765 games. Number three, Mark Eaton,
• 48:22
  Speaker 2: played in 875 contests. Second player of all time in
• 48:27
  Speaker 2: jazz history with the most games played is Karl Malone
• 48:30
  Speaker 2: with 1,434 games. But Sean, let's add to that. He
• 48:35
  Speaker 2: only missed 13 games in 18 jazz career years, but
• 48:40
  Speaker 2: the majority of the games absentee was based on being
• 48:42
  Speaker 2: suspended for previous game fighting. So Carl only missed 13 games,
• 48:48
  Speaker 2: mostly because of fighting. And the number one player of
• 48:50
  Speaker 2: all time in jazz history for the most games played
• 48:54
  Speaker 2: is John Stockton, the Iron Man. He played in 1,504
• 48:59
  Speaker 2: games quickly in his 19-year-old brilliant career. 17 times he
• 49:04
  Speaker 2: played in every game that season. 15 times he played
• 49:08
  Speaker 2: in all 82 games. In the lockout year of 1999,
• 49:10
  Speaker 2: John played in all 50 games. So John Stockton only
• 49:15
  Speaker 2: missed 22 games in 19 years. Presently, the Jazz leader
• 49:21
  Speaker 2: right now on the roster is most games played in
• 49:23
  Speaker 2: Jazz uniform is Larry Malkin. He played in 218 skirmishes
• 49:31
  Speaker 2: as a Jazz player right now. Thus, that's my list
• 49:35
  Speaker 2: of today.
• 49:37
  Speaker 3: Gordy, you're the man. Enjoy the opening night of the
• 49:39
  Speaker 3: NBA season. Appreciate you, my friend.
• 49:41
  Speaker 2: Thanks, Sean.
• 49:42
  Speaker 8: Peace out.
• 49:43
  Speaker 3: That's Gordy Chiesa. Great stuff from Gordy every time we
• 49:46
  Speaker 3: get a chance to talk to him. That conversation brought
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• 49:57
  Speaker 1: All right.
• 49:58
  Speaker 3: Gordy inspired me. We're going to quiz James and see
• 50:01
  Speaker 3: if he knows how many NBA teams have an international
• 50:06
  Speaker 3: player on them. That's next on the Sean O'Connell Show,
• 50:09
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• 50:10
  Speaker 10: You're tuned to the Sean O'Connell Show from the Murdoch
• 50:19
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• 50:32
  Speaker 3: Jerem Jordan joins us next to talk a little red
• 50:34
  Speaker 3: and blue coming off of BYU's massive win over Notre
• 50:37
  Speaker 3: Dame on the weekend that vaulted the Cougars into the
• 50:42
  Speaker 3: number two ranking in the country. Kalani Satake has since
• 50:44
  Speaker 3: called that ranking rat poison. To quote, I believe, Nick Saban.
• 50:49
  Speaker 3: But we were just talking with Gordie Chiesa about the
• 50:52
  Speaker 3: international flavor in the NBA, which continues to grow. James Peterson,
• 50:57
  Speaker 3: how many NBA teams have an international player on them?
• 51:01
  Speaker 5: Total guests. I'm going to say 30 because that's the
• 51:08
  Speaker 5: international invasion. Like there's gotta be at least one on
• 51:10
  Speaker 5: every team. There's one on every single team.
• 51:13
  Speaker 1: Correct. Ding, ding, ding. You get your own James Peterson
• 51:15
  Speaker 1: bonus points.
• 51:17
  Speaker 8: Yes.
• 51:17
  Speaker 3: Which NBA team has the most, the highest number.
• 51:21
  Speaker 1: Of international most.
• 51:24
  Speaker 3: Just And actually there's three that all have the same number. Oh, there's,
• 51:28
  Speaker 3: there's three teams tied for first, tied for first place.
• 51:32
  Speaker 3: When it comes to international representation, if you name any
• 51:34
  Speaker 3: one of them, you get your own bonus points.
• 51:36
  Speaker 5: Again, there's a lot of pressure here. I'm, I'm just
• 51:39
  Speaker 5: thinking out loud a little bit and then I'll give
• 51:41
  Speaker 5: my answer. The jazz have been near the top for
• 51:44
  Speaker 5: many years. So that seems like that'd be a pretty
• 51:48
  Speaker 5: good guess.
• 51:50
  Speaker 6: Um, Yeah.
• 51:52
  Speaker 1: I'm going to guess that the jazz are one of them.
• 51:54
  Speaker 1: They're not, they're not.
• 51:57
  Speaker 3: Dallas, Miami and Washington each have seven international players on
• 52:01
  Speaker 3: the roster.
• 52:03
  Speaker 1: Gordy mentioned this, that that's.
• 52:05
  Speaker 5: Kyrie Irving count as an international player since he was
• 52:08
  Speaker 5: born in Australia.
• 52:10
  Speaker 3: I don't know. I don't know if they're counting him.
• 52:12
  Speaker 3: I think you probably have to have citizenship. And so
• 52:15
  Speaker 3: if he does, I think he might have dual citizenship,
• 52:17
  Speaker 3: but I could be wrong. He might count then. Uh,
• 52:22
  Speaker 3: France does lead the way Canada is next. Then Australia
• 52:27
  Speaker 3: count though, since there is a different country.
• 52:29
  Speaker 5: I know that they're technically international, but they, they, they
• 52:34
  Speaker 5: grow up loving, I mean, hockey's number one, but they
• 52:37
  Speaker 5: grow up basketball's a big deal has always been a
• 52:40
  Speaker 5: big deal there too.
• 52:41
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 52:41
  Speaker 1: But it's a different country.
• 52:42
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 52:45
  Speaker 3: Australia with nine Germany, Nigeria, and Serbia each have six
• 52:50
  Speaker 3: a piece. I was looking for, I'm trying to find
• 52:53
  Speaker 3: the list of, because it's 43 countries. I'm trying to
• 52:57
  Speaker 3: find the list of all 43. Of all 43. So
• 52:59
  Speaker 3: we can make fun of the ones that don't have any.
• 53:03
  Speaker 3: I believe Israel, Denny Avdia, I believe is Israeli. So
• 53:06
  Speaker 3: even Israel has some representation, which would be one that
• 53:11
  Speaker 3: you'd be like, I doubt if you're going to throw
• 53:13
  Speaker 3: out names.
• 53:15
  Speaker 1: Maybe Israel doesn't have one. They've got at least one
• 53:17
  Speaker 1: all-star at that.
• 53:18
  Speaker 3: You know what?
• 53:19
  Speaker 1: I don't want to. I'm not going to say it.
• 53:25
  Speaker 3: We're going to, we're going to, I'm not going to
• 53:28
  Speaker 3: say it because I want to do like a, I
• 53:30
  Speaker 3: want to, I want to do a trivia thing here
• 53:32
  Speaker 3: with these.
• 53:32
  Speaker 6: Yeah. Okay.
• 53:33
  Speaker 5: And I don't want to get Nickelback tickets to give
• 53:35
  Speaker 5: away later. Maybe that could be tough.
• 53:36
  Speaker 3: I don't want to have, I don't want to have
• 53:37
  Speaker 3: anybody Googling and influencing their knowledge base in anticipation of
• 53:43
  Speaker 3: a ticket giveaway. But I want to create some trivia
• 53:46
  Speaker 3: based on this. Cause it's fascinating to me that the NBA,
• 53:50
  Speaker 3: I don't know that the NBA, spoken strategy was, Hey,
• 53:55
  Speaker 3: let's do this dream team thing and explode this game
• 53:58
  Speaker 3: around the world. That obviously was a huge driver and
• 54:02
  Speaker 3: a part of the result.
• 54:03
  Speaker 5: In fact, I would say that the dream team, the
• 54:07
  Speaker 5: decision to field the dream team was quite the opposite.
• 54:10
  Speaker 5: They wanted to squash the rest of the world. And
• 54:13
  Speaker 5: instead they inspired the rest of the world to compete.
• 54:16
  Speaker 3: And now you actually have real tests for your international superstars.
• 54:22
  Speaker 5: Shout out to Oscar Schmidt, by the way, the leading
• 54:24
  Speaker 5: scorer in the history of professional basketball anywhere in the world,
• 54:28
  Speaker 5: almost 50,000 points. I've just recently discovered this. He might
• 54:39
  Speaker 5: have the biggest claim as to why the NBA went
• 54:42
  Speaker 5: to the Dream Team. He scored 47 points, led a
• 54:46
  Speaker 5: Brazilian comeback, a 26-point comeback in the second half in
• 54:51
  Speaker 5: the Pan American Games in 87, and led Brazil to
• 54:55
  Speaker 5: the gold medal over College Stars-led Team USA team after
• 55:01
  Speaker 5: they were up by 26 points. And then they lose
• 55:05
  Speaker 5: in the 88 Olympics. They lose in the gold medal
• 55:07
  Speaker 5: game in the 88 Olympics. And then they decide in
• 55:11
  Speaker 5: 92 to bring the dream team. So Oscar Schmidt and
• 55:14
  Speaker 5: Brazil might be the reason why.
• 55:15
  Speaker 1: Anyway, shout out to him.
• 55:18
  Speaker 3: Which league do you think has the most countries represented
• 55:22
  Speaker 3: on rosters? NBA, major league, baseball, NHL, NFL.
• 55:26
  Speaker 1: Feels like it's way behind in those.
• 55:28
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 55:29
  Speaker 5: But, but those other three leagues, at least perception is
• 55:34
  Speaker 5: a lot more of a global game for sure.
• 55:37
  Speaker 1: Uh, it's NBA or baseball. I would say I'm going
• 55:41
  Speaker 1: to go with NBA. All right. We'll, uh, we'll check later.
• 55:44
  Speaker 1: We'll check later. We'll figure it out right now. We
• 55:48
  Speaker 1: take a break.
• 55:48
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  Speaker 3: Jerem Jordan is kind enough to join us today from
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  Speaker 3: Big 12 Basketball Media Days. He's doing double duty, talking football,
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  Speaker 1: Basketball season right around the corner. Jerem Jordan, welcome back.
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  Speaker 1: How are you?
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  Speaker 6: Hey, I'm doing great. Yeah, boots on the ground, literally
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  Speaker 6: on the court. Get me a ball at Big 12
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  Speaker 6: Basketball Media Days. It's awesome, man. And you know, it's funny.
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  Speaker 6: We didn't know whether this was going to be a
• 57:34
  Speaker 6: welcome distraction post-Notre Dame or just straight up distraction. It
• 57:38
  Speaker 6: is a distraction because all people want to talk about
• 57:40
  Speaker 6: is BYU beating Notre Dame in football here at Basketball
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  Speaker 6: Media Days, man. Anyone wearing blue is a pretty popular
• 57:45
  Speaker 6: person here.
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  Speaker 3: Well, look, we talked about what it would mean if
• 57:50
  Speaker 3: BYU was able to pull off this win and it
• 57:52
  Speaker 3: wasn't upset, according to Vegas.
• 57:55
  Speaker 1: And of course they did.
• 57:56
  Speaker 3: Now that it actually happened, does what you expected it
• 58:01
  Speaker 3: would mean and what has actually, you know, the feeling
• 58:04
  Speaker 3: around it, do those two things match up?
• 58:07
  Speaker 6: They do not. It's actually bigger than I thought. It's
• 58:10
  Speaker 6: better than I thought. You know, obviously certain people are
• 58:13
  Speaker 6: focusing on certain is the number two team in the country.
• 58:21
  Speaker 6: And there's conversation about BYU deserving to be number one
• 58:24
  Speaker 6: at this point. And a lot of that has to
• 58:25
  Speaker 6: do with the respect for Notre Dame, obviously the program,
• 58:29
  Speaker 6: who they are the last couple of years, who they
• 58:30
  Speaker 6: are this year. It was just awesome to see that
• 58:33
  Speaker 6: BYU was as physical and as fast and as good
• 58:37
  Speaker 6: as Notre Dame. And so it's, it's gnarly to think about,
• 58:40
  Speaker 6: but that was the best win in the Kalani Saki era.
• 58:42
  Speaker 6: You could argue it's the best win given the college
• 58:47
  Speaker 6: football playoffs and the rankings and kind of what you've
• 58:50
  Speaker 6: always gone through the last two years of kind of
• 58:51
  Speaker 6: not getting over the hump with some of those games,
• 58:54
  Speaker 6: it's awesome. And yet it's through six games. You know,
• 58:58
  Speaker 6: there's a lot of ball to be played. You've got
• 59:00
  Speaker 6: to avoid the letdown emotionally, like a bunch of teams
• 59:03
  Speaker 6: had last week. And, but Hey, enjoy the journey. And
• 59:07
  Speaker 6: so far so great.
• 59:08
  Speaker 3: Speaker 2 0 to wait to bring it up, but you
• 59:11
  Speaker 3: just said, Hey, there's a lot of people focusing on
• 59:13
  Speaker 3: some elements of the end of the game. And look,
• 59:16
  Speaker 3: I made it very clear on the show yesterday, the
• 59:19
  Speaker 3: only correct way to feel about it, whether you think
• 59:22
  Speaker 3: it should have been a PI or there should have
• 59:24
  Speaker 3: been another play.
• 59:25
  Speaker 1: Cause there's a second left.
• 59:26
  Speaker 3: Like the big 12 referees said there should be The
• 59:29
  Speaker 3: outcome does not change. It's not going to change. You
• 59:32
  Speaker 3: can scream at the clouds all you want. BYU won
• 59:35
  Speaker 3: this football game, and that's how it's going to be
• 59:39
  Speaker 3: from now until AI kills us all. This one goes
• 59:43
  Speaker 3: down in the record books as a BYU win. If
• 59:48
  Speaker 3: you're a BYU football fan, that's all you have to
• 59:51
  Speaker 3: think about. That's all you have to... You go to
• 59:53
  Speaker 3: the office, and there's somebody who wants to tell you
• 59:55
  Speaker 3: you didn't get the win. You did get the win, but...
• 59:58
  Speaker 3: There was also like a statement from the big 12. Hey,
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 3: there should have been another play. There's an entire contingent
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 3: of Notre Dame fans and a lot of Utah fans
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 3: that suddenly became Notre Dame fans that are like, you
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 3: didn't really win that game.
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 1: There's, you know, there's still something up in the air here.
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 1: How should BYU collectively be handling that?
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 6: I think they've handled it. Well, in class Taki did
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 6: a good job yesterday of saying what was pretty obvious
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 6: for me, which is that he rolled out that plate
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 6: took four seconds or more and like, come on, they
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 6: didn't start the clock on time. And obviously it ends
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 6: with one second. So it's like, listen, was it DPI?
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 6: Was there a second left? Was it that, that, that
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 6: in the end? Yeah. Was, was it a Like all
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 6: of this is besides the point. I know it's Tuesday,
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 6: the weekend after in two or three days, this will
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 6: not be a conversation that Ted and, and if, if
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 6: national voters didn't feel like BYU actually deserved to win
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 6: the game, they would not have ranked them as high
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 6: as they did. I think that was, Oh, they respected
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 6: the wind and they respect Notre Dame. They only dropped
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 6: two spots. And so I think it's all good. Like,
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 6: in the end, BYU wins the game. It's a little
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 6: different from Michigan because Michigan had to make one more play.
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 6: We don't know that Notre Dame would have scored on
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 6: that play. If they got a DPI and if there
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 6: was a second lap or whatever, anyway, BYU is number two,
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 6: that's all in though. They're six and oh, they beat
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 6: Notre Dame. Like it's awesome. We'll take it. And now
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 6: you got to avoid what has happened to several number
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 6: ones this year, Texas, Georgia, and others have avoid that
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 6: emotional letdown game is one of the top teams in
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 6: the country, again, everyone's best shot. UCF never played a team,
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 6: you know, number two in the country at home. And
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 6: so two time zone, the whole thing, BYU is on,
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 6: on they're on high alert. Like Kalani Sake has addressed
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 6: his team this week and said, we haven't done anything
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 6: like that was an awesome win, but we got to
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 6: stop reading the headlines. Let's let's buy into what they've
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 6: been doing successfully every week, which is being mature team
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 6: that handles their business week to week.
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 3: If we go, since you're at basketball media days, if
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 3: we go back to football media days and we take
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 3: a poll and say, all right, is BYU going to
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 3: beat Notre Dame? I think half the people in the
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 3: building would have said, yeah, BYU can beat Notre Dame.
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 3: And then if I said, can BYU beat Notre Dame
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 3: without offensive player of the year, LJ Martin available?
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 1: Everybody says, absolutely not.
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 8: Right.
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 1: And yet they did.
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 3: I mean, that, that is an element to this game
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 3: that really fascinates me because you're not supposed to be
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 3: able to do it without, he might be your overall
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 3: best player. He's certainly top three of your overall best players.
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 1: And it wasn't even.
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 3: Really part of the conversation because of how the rest
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 3: of the team played, how great the defense was, et cetera.
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 3: But it feels, it's not like he's out for the season.
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 3: He's going to be back at some point. So I
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 3: BYU beat Notre Dame without being full strength.
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 1: That's crazy.
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 3: It is crazy.
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 6: I mean, like after the game, people were not saying, well, yeah,
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 6: without LJ, even better. Like it was almost forgotten, which
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 6: is crazy. BYU outrushed Notre Dame in that game. They,
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 6: they were as physical or, or more physical as fast
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 6: or faster. Like it's incredible what BYU has become in
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 6: terms of talent and skill and execution and what they
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 6: do together. I think going into the game 24, seven
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 6: sports put out an article that said Notre Dame had,
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 6: I can't remember if it was 58 or 68, four
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 6: and five-star players.
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 8: We all has 12.
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 6: It's like what BYU is doing with that talent, you know,
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 6: and obviously everyone always wants more NIL, like where BYU
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 6: is right now is incredible. They're building on what they've
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 6: done the last few years. They've taken incremental steps to
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 6: right now they're in competition for national championship again, six
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 6: weeks He was in a great spot. And they're only
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 6: going to add to that with LJ Martin later, perhaps
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 6: Andrew Gentry later as well. They're trying to get Sione
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 6: Mola back. Isaiah Glasker coming back, by the way. I
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 6: know that he was cleared and he was going to play.
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 6: I did not have him playing and playing as well
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 6: as he did coming off the injury. That was incredible.
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 6: I think pro football network had him as the highest
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 6: graded linebacker last week. He had circled that game. He
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 6: had talked to me and he was kind of fired
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 6: up that they had opted out of the pop-tarts bowl
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 6: and he played like it. And so, yeah, no, LJ Martin,
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 6: no problem. Bear Bachmeier has his plan at a Heisman
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 6: trophy contending level right now, number six and odds. I mean,
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 6: it's all clicking, but got to keep it going.
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 3: Speaker 2 People get mad at me when I say this.
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 3: I hinted at it being a possibility in the offseason.
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 3: This game where Bear Bachmeier accounted for four touchdowns in
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 3: every possible way you can on offense. This this puts
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 3: him I don't think he's going to win the Heisman Trophy.
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 6: Right.
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 3: But it puts if he continues to play this way,
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 3: he's in New York because now you're. the quarterback on
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 3: a top two team in the country and a team
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 3: that is, I mean, and we'll talk about this here
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 3: in a second is probably college football playoff bound, barring
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 3: wheels completely falling off. I think that this performance against
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 3: Notre Dame and continuity from here on out puts him
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 3: at least, in that conversation in a very serious way.
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 1: I'm not talking about Vegas. I'm talking about the voters.
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 3: I'm talking about the pundits in college football, paying attention
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 3: to a quarterback who wears number 47 and it's not
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 3: always pretty, but it just makes the plays necessary when
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 3: his team needs it.
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 6: And the better passing Tebow. I mean, Urban Meyer said
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 6: the other day, like he's his favorite player to watch
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 6: in college football right now, obviously loves the Tebow comp
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 6: of the Florida connection, but he's Yeah, I'm with you.
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 6: And to get a vote, I think people misunderstand Heisman voting.
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 6: They don't vote for the top 10. They vote for
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 6: the top three. And then they go, these guys got
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 6: the most votes and there's a flurry of people sometimes
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 6: like Zach Wilson was, you know, a top 10 guy
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 6: in 2020, but it's, it's, you're exactly right. Like he's,
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 6: is he going to win it? I mean, if BYU
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 6: goes undefeated and they're number one at the end of
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 6: the year, like he's got a chance, you know, after
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 6: the championship, Listen, if he's, if he's a top five
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 6: Heisman guy, that would be incredible. I mean, top 10
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 6: is incredible. Just what he's doing to make plays is awesome.
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 6: And frankly, two weeks ago, a lot of people had
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 6: kind of questioned him and, and they didn't understand BYU
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 6: just does what it needs to do to win each game.
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 6: Sometimes that requires a bear to do X. Sometimes it's Y.
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 6: First couple of weeks, they didn't need him to do
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 6: a bunch. He's sitting out second half because they're beating
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 6: Utah tech and CSU. TCU has a very good defense
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 6: as we've seen. And the ball is wet, blah, blah, blah.
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 6: You know, sub one 30 total yards, whatever. They don't
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 6: really care. But then the last two weeks, what has
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 6: it required? No LJ Martin. Therefore bear has to raise
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 6: his game from a to a plus, right. And maybe higher.
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 6: So he goes, 300, 100 third view a quarterback to
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 6: ever do that. And then last week, as you mentioned
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 6: the past, the rush and the reception against the top
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 6: five team, those TVs, no one's done that in the
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 6: last 30 years in FPS quarterback. That's crazy. So it
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 6: keeps checking these massive boxes. And as he said in
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 6: his comments after the game, there was a lot of
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 6: kind of pent-up emotion. And he said, hey, I wasn't
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 6: going to lose to those guys. And he took it
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 6: out on Notre Dame to the benefit of BYU.
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 3: Which, by the way, I think makes him even more
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 3: of a candidate because it's a storyline and college football
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 3: loves that little bit of a soap opera on top
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 3: of the on-field accomplishments. After he said that Notre Dame
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 3: disrespected the Bachmeier family, everyone decided to become an internet
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 3: sleuth and go digging as to what he meant. And
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 3: they kind of decided everyone decided that it was because
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 3: they used him as leverage to get another quarterback to commit.
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 3: And then that commit ended up going to Auburn anyway.
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 3: So it was kind of a wasted effort for Notre Dame. And,
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 3: and then that was the thing that he was salty about.
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 3: Is that accurate to your knowledge? Is that the reason
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 3: that he holds a grudge against Notre Dame?
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 6: Yes. All the reporting and conversations I've had are, yeah, that's,
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 6: that's accurate. And it was funny last week, Stanford, Steve,
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 6: you know, I was talking to the media on Friday
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 6: before game day and he goes, Hey, I got, I
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 6: got some beef with BYU. They took Taysom Hill and
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 6: now bear Bachmeier. And I would add, Hey, LJ Martin
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 6: was a commit to Stanford too. So it was Newsy
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 6: town white pale. I mean, there have been several LJ
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 6: Martin was actually going to Stanford and 22 BYU Cardinal.
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 6: The next day, David Shaw says, Hey, I'm done. LJD
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 6: commits comes to BYU. The rest is history. I mean,
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 6: Stanford is the gift that keeps on giving to BYU
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 6: right now with football. And, and Hey, we really appreciate it.
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 6: Cause that battery of Bachmeier and Martin's pretty, pretty stinking good. Nice.
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 3: Jerem Jordan is our guest here talking BYU Cougars red
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 3: and blue. We do it once a week here on
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 3: the Sean O'Connell show brought to you by Murdoch Ford,
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 3: Santa Quinn. You already alluded to this several times. Now
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 3: you got to go on the road. You got to
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 3: put the Notre Dame win out of your mind. You
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 3: got to go execute against a UCF team that you
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 3: absolutely should beat. You've got an Arizona State team the
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 3: following week, a Halloween game against them. You absolutely should
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 3: win that one, I think, handily. You've got the rivalry
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 3: game looming. Utah is a top-ten team for now. We'll
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 3: see what happens with them, and they've got Houston this week.
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 3: This doesn't seem to me to be a BYU team
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 3: where Kalani Satake, even though he is doing it, really
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 3: has to remind these guys, like, hey, you haven't accomplished
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 3: enough yet.
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 1: Hey, you haven't really done anything yet.
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 3: But how do they avoid the pitfalls of a potential
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 3: letdown win after beating Notre Dame on the road in Florida?
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 6: Speaker 3 0 Yeah. Yeah.
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 1: I think you're right.
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 6: I think they are mature enough to overcome this, but
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 6: not everyone is the same level of maturity. So I
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 6: think it's important to make sure with the whole team,
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 6: you kind of dig into them a little bit every
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 6: now and then you need like the most powerful emotion
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 6: to me is love.
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 1: The second is fear.
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 6: I think a little bit of fear, love and fear
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 6: needs to be put into every one of these guys
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 6: to make sure they're ready. don't turn it over a bunch. Obviously,
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 6: you know, giving Notre Dame some special teams gaffes with
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 6: the muffed punt and the fake punt, like the BYU
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 6: defense made up for that and only allowed six. And
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 6: obviously they got two stops inside the five that ended
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 6: each half.
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 1: That was.
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 6: Can really prevent anything like this where, you know, BYU
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 6: offense doesn't have to score a ton, a ton. And
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 6: they jumped out quickly last week. If you give a
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 6: team some hope and they're in the game in the
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 6: second half and you turn the ball over, that's where
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 6: it can get weird. But you know, I anticipate BYU
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 6: winning handily, but I'm, I'm just way aware. I'm just
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 6: BYU is awesome. Don't get me wrong, but they're not
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 6: so good. they can just show up and win. Right.
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 6: You look around and you go, wait, is BYU better
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 6: than into emotionally and mature Texas, Georgia, and so on
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 6: and so forth. The other number one's like you college football.
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 6: There's a lot of talent, a lot of places, Orlando's talent, rich,
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 6: like BYU has got to be aware. And I think
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 6: they BYU struggled historically in Florida, although recently they've been
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 6: way better. They're not playing like, you know, top 20
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 6: teams anymore every time they go to Florida for a
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 6: bowl game. But yeah, UCF, it's a big game. It's
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 6: the next one. And when you're number two, you're getting
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 6: everybody's best shot because it could be a savior season
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 6: kind of game for every opponent. All right.
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 3: We did some Utah superlatives because the Utes are also
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 3: halfway through their season. So who is BYU's current defensive
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 3: player of the year?
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 6: I would say Kate Uluwabe. He's been an instant impact guy.
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 6: He's in the backfield harassing CJ car, never got home
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 6: for a fact, but he flushed him out a couple
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 6: of times. And that was BYU. His hope was kind
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 6: of get him off platform just to touch. He's been
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 6: a great leader. He's, he's putting up the numbers. He
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 6: he's a typical BYU guy. Like you, I has not
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 6: thought like, Hey, we really miss Jack Kelly. Although we
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 6: love Jack, like his Kate has been there. And so yeah,
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 6: same thing like legend, Glasgow and Kyler Casper with, with
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 6: chase Robertson, Parker Kingston, you miss those guys, but you go, man,
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 6: the production's still there. So I would say Katie, okay.
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 3: Well, he also qualifies for this other one that the
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 3: newcomer of the year. Is he that, or is that.
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 6: Probably, but I'll, I'll add someone else. I'll say Pocky Fino.
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 6: That BYU offense is rocking and rolling and you don't
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 6: notice the whole line. Like you could say Bruce Mitchell
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 6: at center, but Pocky Fino came from Washington where he
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 6: played mostly guard. He's been locking down left tackle, which
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 6: we know is one of the most important positions in football,
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 6: especially on offense. He's, he's one of the best legend.
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 6: Glasgow's been dynamic. You know, I've, I've loved that. Like
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 6: there's been a lot of dudes that have Walker lions,
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 6: obviously with the game winning catch, there's been a lot
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 6: of dudes that have come in and BYU was very
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 6: pinpoint with their transfers. It wasn't just a big group.
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 6: It was like, this guy's going to fit into this spot. Precisely.
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 6: You already did a great job in recruiting in the portal.
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 3: Speaker 0 7, Kalani is out because he's, you know,
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 3: he's going to be the coach of the year candidate.
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 3: If BYU continues this success, but of his assistants, who
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 3: is the coach of the year so far for BYU?
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 6: Speaker 3 I mean, you could argue Aaron Roderick was
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 6: in his bag, especially Saturday in a big game. I'll
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 6: probably say Kelly Papanga because there was a big question.
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 6: Jay Hill goes to Michigan. The defense has been awesome.
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 6: That kind of turned this program, frankly, defense became kind
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 6: of top 15, top 20 that made it. So the offense,
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 6: you know, could kind of do its thing and not
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 6: have to outscore everybody by a bunch. even better. You know,
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 6: in terms of like yards allowed points allowed at this point,
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 6: they're not taking the ball away as much as they
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 6: did last year, although they're still positive in margin. So
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 6: the K-pop demon hunters continue to do their thing.
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 3: What about the question mark of the year? There's head scratcher,
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 3: like the, where is this guy? We come into seasons
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 3: with expectations and, you know, for Utah, there was a
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 3: couple of individuals we thought would be, you know, taking
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 3: a big role in either the offense or the defense.
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 1: And they just haven't. Is there a guy or two
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 1: at BYU that fits that category?
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 6: Speaker 4 0 You know, I don't know that there's
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 6: kind of a head scratcher guy. I thought Roger Sally
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 6: probably would be a little more involved. They try and
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 6: get him some, some receptions. These can, they target him.
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 6: He's going to have been a good blocker, but there's
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 6: been some injuries and certainly took some people out of
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 6: certain moments. Like I thought would have a big influence
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 6: on the year. You know, LJ Martin being out like
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 6: LJ is in, I think he's one of the top
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 6: running backs in the country. I think he still is,
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 6: but Yeah. Defensively, you always made up for some injuries
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 6: and whatnot. I think bottom will, the towel has done
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 6: a great job of right tackle starting Notre Dame, which
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 6: by the way, he got engaged over the weekend. That's
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 6: a congratulations, Tim.
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 6: I don't know if there's a guy that like, Hey,
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 6: we're still waiting for you to show up kind of guy. No,
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 6: none of this. .
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 3: .
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 10: .
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 3: Pat McAfee reading passages from
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 3: the Book of Mormon on national television. How is that
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 3: being received? There's a way you can do that, and
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 3: people are going to like it. There's a way you
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 3: can do it, and they're going to think that it's
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 3: sacrilege and that you're mocking the religion. I am not
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 3: a member of the predominant faith here in the state.
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 3: I thought that was a huge moment, though, and it
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 3: drove home why BYU Athletics is is very much a
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 3: missionary tool and a vehicle for exposure for the church overall,
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 3: but I don't want to put words in anyone's mouth.
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 3: So how is that being received among the grander populace?
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 1: I thought it was awesome.
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 6: I really do. And you come to find out he
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 6: didn't actually go up there prepared to do so. So
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 6: there was a video of some students who, and Pat
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 6: talked about it yesterday on the show, that kind of
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 6: threw the small Book of Mormon, as he called it,
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 6: a baby Book of Mormon, that hit his ankle. And
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 6: he turned and looked at it, and the crowd cheered.
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 6: And he's like, oh, should I open this up and
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 6: read it? And they cheered again. This is like during
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 6: a break. Then he's looking through it. He sees some
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 6: highlighted passages. He picks one. And then he chose to
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 6: read two different ones later, just like randomly. And the
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 6: crowd really reacted like, this is awesome. Honestly, I thought
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 6: it was a great day. You know, the Book of
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 6: Mormon was trending on Twitter and just like created some
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 6: interest in like, what is this? You know, so I
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 6: thought it was great overall. The church was replying to
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 6: people about it, you know, and on Instagram and Twitter
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 6: and whatnot. So I thought it was awesome. Like it
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 6: was just a positive day of exposure. And he did
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 6: a good job of, he said, I try and lean
• 1:16:30
  Speaker 6: into and learn about that school and what they're about.
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 6: And obviously the church's connection is a big.
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 1: Part of it.
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 6: I actually told Austin Colley, um, Saturday, cause he came
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 6: over to where I said, I said, little did you
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 6: and Ryan Smith know that like your relationship with Pat would,
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 6: would yield this beautiful fruit that we're seeing today of
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 6: just like positive exposure, whether you believe in it or not,
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 6: or like it or not, just to be like, Hey,
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 6: this is something that we, uh, we care about. And, uh,
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 6: here it is for the world to see. I thought
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 6: it was a cool moment.
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 3: So can we put to bed the idea And I
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 3: think it's an idea that's only held by a very
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 3: small but vocal portion of the populace that yells at
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 3: me every time that I bring up the idea that
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 3: maybe somebody at church headquarters doesn't want Kalani Satake to
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 3: go somewhere else. Every time I suggest something like that.
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 3: I get responses like, you don't know what you're talking about.
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 3: They have bigger fish to fry. They're not paying attention
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 3: to football. And I know that's not true. I have
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 3: firsthand accounts from a member of the 70 who's like, no,
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 3: they talk about it in the office because they're BYU
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 3: fans also. There were six apostles at the game, I
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 3: was told. Can we put to bed the idea that
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 3: the church doesn't care about the sports?
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I believe they care. I believe it's important. I
• 1:17:46
  Speaker 6: believe it's a missionary tool. You know, I speak for
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 6: just myself, not athletics for the university. But yeah, like
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 6: BYU is very relevant right now. The church is more
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 6: relevant right now. Like when missionaries show up this week
• 1:17:59
  Speaker 6: in different houses around the country in the U.S., people
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 6: know they beat Notre Dame. It's like a talking point.
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 6: Jimmer for that success was very relevant. Tyler Haas told
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 6: me a story one time. that he was on his
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 6: mission in the Philippines. And the guy saw him as
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 6: an American and said, Oh, do you know Jim or Fredette?
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 6: And he's like, little, do you know? I was just
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 6: like literally about like three to 50 million Americans. You
• 1:18:21
  Speaker 6: found me.
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 1: That's funny.
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 6: Crazy story. You know what I mean? And, and it's,
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 6: it's all, it's all positive, you know? And it's fun
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 6: to see like former BYU athletes who are, 70s and
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 6: giving conference talks like Vice Sikahema and Gabe Reed, excuse me,
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 6: Elder Sikahema, Elder Reed, Brother Reed, right? A Brother Pat,
• 1:18:40
  Speaker 6: Elder Saban, which is really funny. I think it was
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 6: just a really positive, great weekend for all of that.
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 6: And as President Shane Reese at BYU has said, we
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 6: have to win to be relevant. And so there's a
• 1:18:52
  Speaker 6: certain amount of physical, emotional, financial investment that comes with that.
• 1:18:56
  Speaker 6: And right now, things are going really well.
• 1:19:00
  Speaker 3: I could have told you guys this many years ago.
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 3: All BYU needed to get over the hump and get
• 1:19:04
  Speaker 3: more positive exposure is have a Catholic quarterback, and then
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 3: you're good.
• 1:19:11
  Speaker 6: Listen, that's, that's like when the bell said with a
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 6: miracle bowl, he goes, listen, a Catholic through to a
• 1:19:16
  Speaker 6: Methodist for the hail Mary. And then a Mormon kicked
• 1:19:20
  Speaker 6: the PAT, you know, the Mormon won the game in
• 1:19:24
  Speaker 6: LaBelle's way. That was really funny. It, it is cool
• 1:19:27
  Speaker 6: because that not only is it, you know, bears, bears Catholic.
• 1:19:30
  Speaker 6: And by the way, I talked to bears dad over
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 6: the weekend, like how much did they like Notre Dame
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 6: and embrace that when Michael Bachmeier bears a Notre Dame is,
• 1:19:47
  Speaker 6: you know, a place and I, and like, I love
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 6: Notre Dame. Like I respect the heck out of Notre Dame.
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 6: If I had a chance to go to Notre Dame,
• 1:19:53
  Speaker 6: I might've gone there too. Like what, what a great
• 1:19:55
  Speaker 6: place we've seen. tail, Chris Badger, you know, from Tempe
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 6: a couple of years ago and others, there have been
• 1:20:02
  Speaker 6: members who have embraced that and said their experience was
• 1:20:04
  Speaker 6: so awesome. Likewise, the BYU, you have the Bachmeier's and
• 1:20:08
  Speaker 6: other like Trey Alexander, not a member of the church
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 6: from Georgia. You know, it's Ben Crittle would say double minority.
• 1:20:15
  Speaker 6: And he loves BYU. He loves the honor code. So
• 1:20:18
  Speaker 6: it's just, it's just great. It's, it's, it's representative of
• 1:20:22
  Speaker 6: people of faith. do they have to be the faith?
• 1:20:25
  Speaker 6: Not necessarily like come and ball and, and avoid certain
• 1:20:28
  Speaker 6: distractions from the typical college life, be about, be about
• 1:20:32
  Speaker 6: the game and, and represent and enjoy. And there's been
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 6: an awesome representative of a bunch of places like BYU
• 1:20:38
  Speaker 6: in the church. I.
• 1:20:39
  Speaker 3: I, I, I was laughing because as someone who is
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 3: a Mormon adjacent, as I like to call myself, I
• 1:20:47
  Speaker 3: often find myself answering questions about the, you know, LDS
• 1:20:52
  Speaker 3: culture and about Mormonism to people who have no idea,
• 1:20:55
  Speaker 3: because I know a lot about it without being a member.
• 1:20:58
  Speaker 3: I'm married to someone who is right. And so like,
• 1:21:02
  Speaker 3: I know it without being it. And I never in
• 1:21:06
  Speaker 3: a trillion years would have thought I would see Pat
• 1:21:08
  Speaker 3: McAfee sitting on, not at college game day, but sitting
• 1:21:12
  Speaker 3: on his own set on his own show, after being
• 1:21:16
  Speaker 3: in Provo and doing the same thing where like other
• 1:21:19
  Speaker 3: people who don't know as much as Pat knows, which
• 1:21:22
  Speaker 3: is wild that Pat knows anything. We're asking him questions
• 1:21:25
  Speaker 3: and he was like, no, it's not John Smith. It's
• 1:21:26
  Speaker 3: Joseph Smith. I was just, I was cracking up.
• 1:21:29
  Speaker 6: Because he was like, Nope, then Brigham Young. Then they moved.
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 6: Like he knew the history. I love that. He's like,
• 1:21:36
  Speaker 6: like in Ted Lasso, he talks about like be curious.
• 1:21:40
  Speaker 6: I think that's a great life principle. Like learn other things,
• 1:21:43
  Speaker 6: learn from other people in other ways. You I love
• 1:21:55
  Speaker 6: his curiosity.
• 1:21:56
  Speaker 1: It was really, it was just really fascinating.
• 1:21:58
  Speaker 3: And it's like the Venn diagram that, that you're just
• 1:22:01
  Speaker 3: like a sports guy who then gets sucked into the,
• 1:22:04
  Speaker 3: the BYU thing and the Mormon thing. I never thought
• 1:22:06
  Speaker 3: it happened at that level, but it did. I, I
• 1:22:09
  Speaker 3: joked with, you know, a Steve Bonta, who we still
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 3: talk to AJ's dad. Like I call him elder D
• 1:22:15
  Speaker 3: Bonta because he fields questions like.
• 1:22:24
  Speaker 6: Out there. It's he said it's coffee and certain teas,
• 1:22:28
  Speaker 6: you know? And I go, yeah, that's right. I haven't
• 1:22:30
  Speaker 6: made an AI version of a name tag for him,
• 1:22:32
  Speaker 6: you know, if he needs it. So BYU has done
• 1:22:34
  Speaker 6: an excellent job helping spread the word of what BYU
• 1:22:39
  Speaker 6: is about, what the church is about, whether they are
• 1:22:41
  Speaker 6: a member of said church or not, they have brought
• 1:22:44
  Speaker 6: in different people, influencers to experience BYU. You know, obviously
• 1:22:49
  Speaker 6: the show that is the game, the school, I think
• 1:22:52
  Speaker 6: BYU has done a tremendous job from a PR standpoint
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 6: of bringing people in to see what it's actually about.
• 1:22:58
  Speaker 6: And once you see it, you understand it way better.
• 1:23:02
  Speaker 3: Last thing before I let you go, This win for
• 1:23:05
  Speaker 3: the program is huge. This win for Kalani Satake makes him, like,
• 1:23:09
  Speaker 3: even more bulletproof down there in my mind. And obviously
• 1:23:13
  Speaker 3: we had an unpleasant storyline at the beginning of the
• 1:23:16
  Speaker 3: season that, you know, some disagreement, some discord, and a
• 1:23:19
  Speaker 3: changing of the organizational structure. Now you've beat Notre Dame
• 1:23:23
  Speaker 3: and you're the number two team in the country. It's
• 1:23:25
  Speaker 3: the highest ranking in forever for the school and all
• 1:23:28
  Speaker 3: these things. I mean, his status has to be elevated
• 1:23:31
  Speaker 3: even more by this win.
• 1:23:32
  Speaker 1: Is that accurate?
• 1:23:35
  Speaker 6: I think so. And he's been respected nationally, but it's like, what's,
• 1:23:40
  Speaker 6: you know, what's your best win? Like how good is BYU?
• 1:23:44
  Speaker 6: They've never, they've never been better in sort of the
• 1:23:46
  Speaker 6: more modern context of BYU football. And just to see
• 1:23:50
  Speaker 6: that battle with Notre Dame on that stage, like the
• 1:23:53
  Speaker 6: biggest stage, arguably BYU has ever been on, you know, Hey,
• 1:23:56
  Speaker 6: they won the Natty holiday. Well, the technology was not
• 1:23:58
  Speaker 6: the same. It's just different. You have game day and
• 1:24:01
  Speaker 6: Google nation delivered.
• 1:24:02
  Speaker 1: It was awesome.
• 1:24:03
  Speaker 6: And then you're on ABC Saturday night football. You got
• 1:24:05
  Speaker 6: the number one crew with Fallon. Her street was super cool.
• 1:24:10
  Speaker 6: I worked with Holly, by the way, 20 years ago
• 1:24:11
  Speaker 6: on true blue is a BOS show. I was a student.
• 1:24:14
  Speaker 6: She was the host. I learned a ton from her.
• 1:24:15
  Speaker 6: It's great to see her again. It was just, it
• 1:24:18
  Speaker 6: was just awesome. There was a moment shown in 2019
• 1:24:20
  Speaker 6: where BYU was struggling at the start of that year
• 1:24:24
  Speaker 6: and they played Boise state in the middle of the year.
• 1:24:26
  Speaker 6: And there was this thought that if you didn't win
• 1:24:29
  Speaker 6: that game or kept losing that maybe they would let
• 1:24:31
  Speaker 6: go of Kalani like that. The seat would be hot.
• 1:24:33
  Speaker 6: BYU wins that game. And it's kind of not looked
• 1:24:36
  Speaker 6: back since they finished 2019 strong. 2020 was awesome. 21
• 1:24:40
  Speaker 6: was awesome. And they've 24, 25, 26. It has taken
• 1:24:45
  Speaker 6: off since that point. He just won his 90th game,
• 1:24:48
  Speaker 6: which in his sixth game of his 11th year, Gregor
• 1:24:51
  Speaker 6: Bell said, LaBelle did the same exact thing. 90th win
• 1:24:54
  Speaker 6: sixth game of his 11th year. I was like, are
• 1:24:56
  Speaker 6: you kidding me? He joked that he was going to
• 1:24:58
  Speaker 6: be the Polynesian, the Valley wanted to do that. He is,
• 1:25:01
  Speaker 6: he's the perfect guy. As I've said a million times
• 1:25:03
  Speaker 6: from BYU right now, completely aligned with BYU and the
• 1:25:06
  Speaker 6: church and BYU is winning and doing it the BYU way.
• 1:25:09
  Speaker 6: It's just a perfect match. And it's really fun to
• 1:25:12
  Speaker 6: watch right now.
• 1:25:13
  Speaker 3: Speaker 1 0 Well, enjoy it until November 7th and
• 1:25:18
  Speaker 3: then don't enjoy it as much.
• 1:25:20
  Speaker 6: And then it's on like Donkey Kong. Yeah. I can't,
• 1:25:23
  Speaker 6: I can't wait to embrace in the press box. and
• 1:25:27
  Speaker 6: just have a great competition there. It's going to be fun,
• 1:25:29
  Speaker 6: but yeah, big game Saturday, Utah, Houston, excited to watch
• 1:25:32
  Speaker 6: it because Houston feels like a very good team. Utah
• 1:25:34
  Speaker 6: is awesome. So that's going to be a game that
• 1:25:37
  Speaker 6: feels like a potential play out of the big 12
• 1:25:41
  Speaker 6: championship game, not playing, but like a, are you out
• 1:25:44
  Speaker 6: with the tiebreakers?
• 1:25:45
  Speaker 7: I don't know.
• 1:25:45
  Speaker 6: It could get complicated, but it cool for the two schools.
• 1:25:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah, going to be a weird one.
• 1:25:52
  Speaker 3: We'll talk about that next week, and we'll talk about
• 1:25:55
  Speaker 3: basketball next week. I could pick your brain longer, but
• 1:25:57
  Speaker 3: we're way over clock. So thanks for your time, Jerem.
• 1:25:59
  Speaker 3: Enjoy basketball media days, and we'll chat next week.
• 1:26:03
  Speaker 6: John, thanks for the time, man.
• 1:26:05
  Speaker 3: That is Jerem Jordan. Red and blue brought to you
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  Speaker 3: All right. There are six undefeated teams left in college football.
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  Speaker 3: One of those, and probably the most surprising of them,
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  Speaker 3: is the UCLA Bruins. Going to be a lot harder
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  Speaker 3: for them to stay undefeated, although their schedule is not
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  Speaker 3: that bad moving forward. They have USC at the end
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  Speaker 3: of the year, of course, in a crosstown rivalry game.
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  Speaker 3: That's certainly not an easy out for UCLA. They got, like,
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  Speaker 3: Minnesota on the schedule, but they've already played some of
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  Speaker 3: their tougher games. Still, Bob Chesney and company are going
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  Speaker 3: to have to do whatever they can do next without
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  Speaker 3: Nico Iamaleava.
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  Speaker 1: He is out. He's having season-ending knee surgery. Nico.
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  Speaker 3: obviously was a big part of NIL discussions and what
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  Speaker 3: contracts actually look like because he went to Tennessee first
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  Speaker 3: and then he wanted more money from Tennessee and he
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  Speaker 3: hit the open market when Tennessee said no and would
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  Speaker 3: not be held hostage. And he probably took the same
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  Speaker 3: money or maybe even a little bit less to go
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  Speaker 3: play at UCLA. And at first it looked like, oh man,
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  Speaker 3: it's such a downgrade for you.
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  Speaker 1: You're not going to be, you're playing for UCLA. Now
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  Speaker 1: you're not going to be competing consistently.
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  Speaker 3: For the same kind of stuff that you could potentially
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  Speaker 3: be competing for at tennessee and i was one of
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  Speaker 3: the people who said that and i was dead wrong
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  Speaker 3: nico and ucla are a top 10 team in the
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  Speaker 3: country right now they have a strong chance even without
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  Speaker 3: him to finish in the conversation for a trip to
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  Speaker 3: the big 10 championship game. And obviously the big 10
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  Speaker 3: is probably going to send four teams.
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  Speaker 1: To the college football playoff.
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  Speaker 3: So UCLA might be one of them, but also I
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  Speaker 3: don't know much about the backup situation at UCLA and
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  Speaker 3: the committee, which will start to convene and meet and
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  Speaker 3: talk about these things in the next couple of weeks here.
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  Speaker 3: They're aware of injured quarterbacks. And we saw this with
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  Speaker 3: Florida state when it was still a four team playoff where,
• 1:29:29
  Speaker 3: what was it? Uh, their quarterback got injured. Jordan Travis, Travis,
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  Speaker 3: Travis got injured and they just, they were still undefeated.
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  Speaker 3: And they, the committee was just like, ah, you can't
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  Speaker 3: win without them. And they left him out of the
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  Speaker 3: playoff because of it.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: They, they, they went on to win the ACC championship
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  Speaker 5: game without him. They didn't score very much in that game,
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  Speaker 5: but they still won the game. And yet the committee said,
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  Speaker 5: we don't believe you can win games. Um, and it
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  Speaker 5: was 14 playoff back then. So they would, they probably
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  Speaker 5: would have lost the first round. But anyway, yeah, that
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  Speaker 5: was crazy. The other thing that's funny that I think
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  Speaker 5: is a contradiction in that same vein is that they
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  Speaker 5: still ranked Ole Miss as high as they ranked them
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  Speaker 5: at the end of the season when Lane Kiffin wasn't
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  Speaker 5: their coach. So not having an Ole Miss went on
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  Speaker 5: to prove.
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  Speaker 1: That, hey, they belong. They got to the semifinals.
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  Speaker 5: But On the one hand, they said, if you don't
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  Speaker 5: have your starting quarterback, we don't believe you're near as
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  Speaker 5: good a team, but if you don't have your head coach,
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  Speaker 5: we believe you're exactly the same team, which is, I
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  Speaker 5: don't know, two different committees, but still kind of crazy.
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  Speaker 3: So we'll see what happens with UCLA as they move forward,
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  Speaker 3: but they will be without their starting quarterback, Nico Yamaleava.
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  Speaker 5: And one other thing about this, the thing that helps
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  Speaker 5: UCLA in this regard is that they're only halfway through
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  Speaker 5: the season. Florida State, it hurt them that I think
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  Speaker 5: they only had one game left. So they didn't have
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  Speaker 5: time to prove that, hey, we can show you that
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  Speaker 5: we are as good a team or close enough to
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  Speaker 5: as good a team without our starting quarterback.
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  Speaker 1: UCLA gets that chance.
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  Speaker 3: The reason that bugged me, and we don't need to
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  Speaker 3: relitigate something that happened years ago, the reason that that
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  Speaker 3: bugged me so badly is because your team earned an
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  Speaker 3: undefeated season and that's such a special thing in college football.
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  Speaker 3: They earned it with the quarterback being part of it,
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  Speaker 3: not the quarterback being the only reason they were there.
• 1:31:29
  Speaker 3: And I have always thought about the, the playoff or
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  Speaker 3: the bracket being a reward for what you've already done,
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  Speaker 3: not a projection on what you're expected to do like that.
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  Speaker 3: That to me felt like, a completely backwards analysis by
• 1:31:47
  Speaker 3: a committee that was like, Hey, we don't think our
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  Speaker 3: prediction is that you will not be good. Well, I
• 1:31:55
  Speaker 3: don't care what your prediction is because what you should
• 1:31:59
  Speaker 3: be basing playoff selection on is, is what we have
• 1:32:03
  Speaker 3: already accomplished, what we have already done, what we have earned.
• 1:32:07
  Speaker 3: That was annoying back then. It would be annoying now.
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  Speaker 3: And I think, hopefully, we've learned from it, and obviously
• 1:32:13
  Speaker 3: an expanded format makes a big difference. It is, for UCLA,
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  Speaker 3: they've got Michigan State, Nevada, which is weird that they
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  Speaker 3: have a non-conference game still, on.
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  Speaker 1: The road at Minnesota. They've got Illinois. They're on the
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  Speaker 1: road at Michigan.
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  Speaker 3: Which at one point was probably considered to be a
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  Speaker 3: much more dangerous game than it is now. And then
• 1:32:36
  Speaker 3: they finish against USC. So Minnesota's decent. Michigan is decent.
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  Speaker 3: USC is pretty good, but you're not looking at like
• 1:32:45
  Speaker 3: a super killer slate for the UCLA Bruins. And they
• 1:32:48
  Speaker 3: might end up being the surprise team of college football
• 1:32:52
  Speaker 3: this year. If they can finish it out without their
• 1:32:54
  Speaker 3: starting quarterback, who's having season ending knee surgery. And maybe it,
• 1:32:59
  Speaker 3: As far as Michigan goes, maybe they're going to be
• 1:33:01
  Speaker 3: much better as it seems like they have moved on
• 1:33:04
  Speaker 3: from Bryce Underwood as the starting quarterback. They pulled him
• 1:33:07
  Speaker 3: mid-game and Tommy Carr looked much more effective in Jason
• 1:33:11
  Speaker 3: Beck's offense. It's not like they scored a bunch of
• 1:33:15
  Speaker 3: points still, but he just looked a lot more comfortable.
• 1:33:17
  Speaker 3: The offense looked like it flowed more with him. So
• 1:33:19
  Speaker 3: maybe Michigan will be a lot better the second half
• 1:33:21
  Speaker 3: of the season.
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  Speaker 1: We'll see.
• 1:33:23
  Speaker 3: Raise Brewers is your World Series matchup. Game one is Friday.
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  Speaker 1: I love this.
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  Speaker 3: I love a good two teams that major league baseball
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  Speaker 3: certainly does not want to be in the world series.
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  Speaker 3: Like they want Dodgers Yankees and they got pretty much
• 1:33:47
  Speaker 3: the opposite end of that.
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  Speaker 5: Raise brewers pair of the sports books. Don't like it either.
• 1:33:51
  Speaker 1: Raise brewers.
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  Speaker 3: Doesn't even look cool. Like the uniform matchup is not good.
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  Speaker 5: I mean, there's just, and, and Tropicana field is an
• 1:33:59
  Speaker 5: embarrassment to major league baseball. So that's, that sucks that, that, that,
• 1:34:05
  Speaker 5: Stadium is hosting games, but the Rays are a good team.
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  Speaker 3: I have no problem with the Rays being there. Milwaukee
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  Speaker 3: is favored to beat Tampa Bay. And let's see, it
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  Speaker 3: would be the first World Series championship for both teams.
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  Speaker 5: The Brewers, I think their franchise technically has one as
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  Speaker 5: the Milwaukee Braves, but I don't know that for sure.
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  Speaker 5: That was my understanding. This would be maybe the first
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  Speaker 5: as the Brewers. Okay, so it would be the first
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  Speaker 5: as the Brewers. We have not had a World Series
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  Speaker 5: where both teams are chasing their first championship since 1980.
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  Speaker 5: This is the first time since 1980 that two teams
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  Speaker 5: that have never won.
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  Speaker 1: At all before.
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  Speaker 5: Who was the other one? I know that was the
• 1:34:56
  Speaker 5: year the Phillies won their first anyway. Don't know who
• 1:35:00
  Speaker 5: the AL team was in that.
• 1:35:03
  Speaker 3: I love this because I was a young child in
• 1:35:06
  Speaker 3: Minnesota at the time when the 1991 Minnesota twins won
• 1:35:10
  Speaker 3: the world series. If Tampa Bay is able to win
• 1:35:13
  Speaker 3: a title, it would tie the 1991 Minnesota twins for
• 1:35:17
  Speaker 3: the longest preseason underdog odds to win a world series.
• 1:35:21
  Speaker 1: All right.
• 1:35:23
  Speaker 3: They were 80 to one, according to draft Kings at
• 1:35:29
  Speaker 3: the beginning of the season to race were.
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  Speaker 8: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: So the Rays were 80 to one. So this was
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  Speaker 3: according to preseason odds. This is the 14th most likely
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  Speaker 3: team to win a world series versus the 22nd most
• 1:35:43
  Speaker 3: likely team to win a world series.
• 1:35:45
  Speaker 5: And the Brewers, I mean, this is a team that's
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  Speaker 5: been good the last few years. They've been near the,
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  Speaker 5: at or near the top of the national league at
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  Speaker 5: the end of the regular season over the past few
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  Speaker 5: years here this year, they were the best team in
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  Speaker 5: the national league. So there, I mean, that being top 15,
• 1:36:02
  Speaker 5: you're like, maybe that felt a little high to people
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  Speaker 5: who don't follow MLB that closely, but like the brewers
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  Speaker 5: probably deserve to be higher than that preseason, the way
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  Speaker 5: they played the last few years. And yeah, the rays
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  Speaker 5: being in the twenties, like that, that's would be, it's
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  Speaker 5: wild that they're in the world series and they were
• 1:36:21
  Speaker 5: at the top of the AL after the regular season
• 1:36:24
  Speaker 5: with those kinds of, with those kinds of odds, it'd
• 1:36:26
  Speaker 5: be even crazier if they finish off the deal here.
• 1:36:29
  Speaker 1: Um, I'm not sure. We'll have to look this up.
• 1:36:32
  Speaker 1: But I want to know if there's.
• 1:36:33
  Speaker 5: Any preseason at 80 to 1, if there's anybody who
• 1:36:37
  Speaker 5: threw down some serious money on the Rays to win
• 1:36:40
  Speaker 5: a World Series. So this ESPN article that says Brewers
• 1:36:45
  Speaker 5: and Rays carry sportsbook liability in the World Series, they
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  Speaker 5: mention the Hard Rock Bet, which is a Florida-based sportsbook.
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  Speaker 6: They.
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  Speaker 5: They said about 22% of their betters and futures put
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  Speaker 5: down money for the Rays to win the World Series,
• 1:37:04
  Speaker 5: which makes sense in Florida. So it would be really
• 1:37:08
  Speaker 5: bad for them, is what they said. They said it
• 1:37:11
  Speaker 5: would be bad for them. I'm saying really bad for
• 1:37:13
  Speaker 5: them if the Rays.
• 1:37:14
  Speaker 1: End up finishing. I'm sorry. I'm sorry, Casino. You might
• 1:37:17
  Speaker 1: actually lose for once. Guess who doesn't feel bad?
• 1:37:21
  Speaker 6: All of us.
• 1:37:21
  Speaker 5: I think bet MGM, if I'm not mistaken in the article,
• 1:37:27
  Speaker 5: the Brewers would be the worst outcome for them from
• 1:37:29
  Speaker 5: the future's perspective. So, I mean, I don't care about
• 1:37:34
  Speaker 5: the liability. I'm kind of smiling that this World Series
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  Speaker 5: carries some liability for sportsbooks.
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  Speaker 3: If you place the preseason bet on BYU to make
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  Speaker 1: Given what, what can you collect? I mean, it depends.
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  Speaker 5: Are you like bear Bachmeier of BYU fandom where you're
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  Speaker 5: not a member of the church, but you're a fan
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  Speaker 5: of BYU.
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  Speaker 3: If you're, how's that going to be? How's that going
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  Speaker 3: to be handled? Well, I think we'll cross that bridge
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  Speaker 3: when we get to it.
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  Speaker 1: Discreetly cash that bet.
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  Speaker 3: You know how, like if you live in, if you
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  Speaker 3: live in Brooklyn, uh, you can, there, there's like the
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  Speaker 3: Orthodox Jewish population there.
• 1:38:19
  Speaker 1: That won't even touch a light switch on the Sabbath?
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  Speaker 1: Are you aware of this?
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  Speaker 3: I am not aware of that. Okay, it's like, you know,
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  Speaker 3: played this role for people. There's a name for it
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• 1:39:09
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  Speaker 3: But they do, there's a loophole because of course we
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  Speaker 1: Cause you're not allowed to touch it.
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  Speaker 3: was the light switch flipper. We might have to do
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  Speaker 3: put some bets down.
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  Speaker 1: We cash the bets for them.
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  Speaker 3: If you need someone to take that betting slip and
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  Speaker 3: football expert, our betting expert. Talk all things NFL and
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  Speaker 3: college football.
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  Speaker 1: My good friend, Jeff Schwartz. Welcome back to the show,
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  Speaker 1: Jeff Schwartz. How are you?
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  Speaker 8: Good. How are you?
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  Speaker 1: Doing all right. It's a big week.
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  Speaker 3: It was a big weekend in football here in the
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  Speaker 3: state of Utah college football. And obviously another big one
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  Speaker 3: coming is Utah welcomes Houston for college game day, who
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  Speaker 3: was here in Provo last week for BYU versus Notre Dame. I,
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  Speaker 3: I don't know if I'm being superstitious or what my
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  Speaker 3: problem is. I actually kind of hate that after their
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  Speaker 3: worst performance of the year against Colorado, where Utah barely
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  Speaker 3: escaped with the victory. Now you've got a ranked Houston
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  Speaker 3: team coming in and all the fanfare of college game
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  Speaker 3: day and stuff.
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  Speaker 1: Am I being a baby about this?
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  Speaker 8: You're just a little stitious?
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  Speaker 3: Maybe not super, but just a little stitious.
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  Speaker 8: I think I mean a baby. You mean a baby. Oh,
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  Speaker 8: this is good for your program, right? In this situation,
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  Speaker 8: I don't think you thought you would be it, right?
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  Speaker 8: College game day for a Houston game? As good as
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  Speaker 8: you thought maybe this year was go, this feels like
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  Speaker 8: something that just you're pretty excited to be in this
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  Speaker 8: spot where you're able to celebrate your team and your program.
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  Speaker 8: You're one of Morgan Scali. I know the attention you
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  Speaker 8: might not love in this situation, but that's just good
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  Speaker 8: for the program. It means you're going in the right direction,
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  Speaker 8: and it's a good opportunity to sell the program to
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  Speaker 8: the masses who might not be watching Utah football so far.
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  Speaker 8: You've had very few national TV games if they have been.
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  Speaker 8: They've been late, right? Late in the East Coast, this
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  Speaker 8: opportunity to sell your program to a wide audience.
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  Speaker 3: When you have that stinker of a game, is that
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  Speaker 3: kind of a necessary right of passage for any team? Good, bad, indifferent,
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  Speaker 3: where like, you're going to have to have one that
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  Speaker 3: you just don't play. Well, you don't show up the
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  Speaker 3: way you're supposed to show up. You're not as physical
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  Speaker 3: as you're supposed to be. The coaches are off with
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  Speaker 3: their play calling, whatever it is. And to survive that,
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  Speaker 3: it means like you're, you're probably better off.
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  Speaker 7: I don't know.
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  Speaker 3: Like every team, it seems like has one or two
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  Speaker 3: of these and Utah had one and they somehow came
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  Speaker 3: away without losing it.
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  Speaker 8: Well, you'd rather win them than lose them.
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  Speaker 6: Of course.
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  Speaker 8: I'll tell you that. I mean, this felt like a
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  Speaker 8: classic spot where Colorado's off a bye, right? And they've
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  Speaker 8: heard for weeks now how bad they are and how
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  Speaker 8: poorly they're playing. Utah has a big home game next week,
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  Speaker 8: the week after you play Colorado. This had all the
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  Speaker 8: fixings of a trap game, even though you guys got,
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  Speaker 8: I think it was Europe 13-0, right?
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  Speaker 6: Yeah.
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  Speaker 8: Um, and just, you know, and I think this is
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  Speaker 8: two weeks in a row, the second half defense just
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  Speaker 8: wasn't as good as the first half defense. I think
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  Speaker 8: that's a, something to look into as you head into
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  Speaker 8: playing Houston here. But I mean, you know, stinkers are
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  Speaker 8: part of the sport. Uh, they, they tend to happen
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  Speaker 8: before big games. So to me, it's not like that
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  Speaker 8: big of a deal, but this feels like a pretty
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  Speaker 8: normal thing to happen for college football is you have
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  Speaker 8: the stinker right before, but the biggest game you played
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  Speaker 8: all season. And so that, that, you won, you know,
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  Speaker 8: like that's in the end, you end up with a victory,
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  Speaker 8: which is the goal anyway. So I wouldn't put much
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  Speaker 8: stock into it. If the same things that sort of
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  Speaker 8: plagued you in that game start happening in other games,
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  Speaker 8: I'd maybe worry about it more, but I wouldn't worry
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  Speaker 8: about it. Now, I mean, the second half defense, I think,
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  Speaker 8: is two weeks in a row now. It's a little concerning, right?
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  Speaker 8: The points and yards given up, but you'll know much
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  Speaker 8: more about your team when you play a good Houston
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  Speaker 8: team this weekend.
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  Speaker 3: When you're not getting, and Morgan Scali has been kind
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  Speaker 3: of trying to talk us off this ledge, and Colton Swan,
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  Speaker 3: the defensive coordinator, has been trying to talk us off
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  Speaker 3: this ledge, but it seems like, and you just mentioned
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  Speaker 3: the third quarter defense, and it's been every third quarter,
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  Speaker 3: and it's plagued the second half a couple of times,
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  Speaker 3: the whole second half a couple of times.
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  Speaker 1: There is a.
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  Speaker 3: Seeming disconnect between The quality of the man coverage in
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  Speaker 3: the pass rush that makes it so they only have
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  Speaker 3: to cover their man for three and a half seconds.
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  Speaker 3: And there was, you know, Morgan scaling his press conference
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  Speaker 3: yesterday said, it's not as simple as you guys think
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  Speaker 3: quarterbacks are getting the ball out quickly. And that's part
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  Speaker 3: of what the problem is here. Our pass rush is fine.
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  Speaker 3: It doesn't look like it's fine. You got no sacks
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  Speaker 3: from the defensive end. You had no real pressure against
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  Speaker 3: Colorado last week. Mobile quarterbacks are obviously able to extend
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  Speaker 3: it even longer, and then you're just not able to cover.
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  Speaker 3: Even really great DBs can't cover for five and a
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  Speaker 3: half seconds. Do you have to change things up if
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  Speaker 3: you're not getting the right amount of pressure? Do you
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  Speaker 3: have to then start to change your defensive scheme and
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  Speaker 3: go away from some of that man?
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  Speaker 8: Yes. So, look, the pairing of these together basically is
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  Speaker 8: that if you play man coverage, you're a little stickier
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  Speaker 8: to start with. to down, right? And if you're a
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  Speaker 8: little stickier to start to down, that allows your pass
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  Speaker 8: rush potentially to get home, right? That's sort of like
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  Speaker 8: the genesis of that together, right? And then the longer
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  Speaker 8: that you're in man coverage without getting the quarterback, the
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  Speaker 8: tougher it is to continue to play man coverage, right?
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  Speaker 8: So you sort of tie those two together. And so, yes,
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  Speaker 8: if you're not getting quick pressure, Sean, then it really
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  Speaker 8: negates the point of playing man coverage, right? And so...
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  Speaker 8: you would think you would have to change things up
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  Speaker 8: and sort of maybe play some zone coverage if you
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  Speaker 8: can't get home on the quarterback. But the thing that
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  Speaker 8: I always struggle with with these guys is Oregon's, over
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  Speaker 8: the years, played a ton of man coverage, and they've
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  Speaker 8: gone away from that a little bit as they've been
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  Speaker 8: gassed over the years, playing so much man coverage, is
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  Speaker 8: that if you coach man coverage all year, and then
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  Speaker 8: it's like, actually, never mind, we're playing zone now, yeah
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  Speaker 8: like that's hard to just play zone like but they
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  Speaker 8: always play man what do you want them to do
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  Speaker 8: like that's not what they do um so i think
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  Speaker 8: it's like easier said than done like it's easy to
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  Speaker 8: just do something different but if that's all what you
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  Speaker 8: do and organ over the years has moved to play
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  Speaker 8: more too high um it's it's helped out the defense
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  Speaker 8: a lot but That took two years to do, right?
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  Speaker 8: And so if you're a man coverage team, you're probably
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  Speaker 8: going to play man the entire year, and then you'll
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  Speaker 8: switch over in the offseason. Or maybe you can make
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  Speaker 8: the mix over by a couple weeks and whatnot. You
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  Speaker 8: mix it in. But you also don't want to end
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  Speaker 8: up with blown coverages, right? You do hope your pass
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  Speaker 8: rush does get home eventually, right? So you don't want
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  Speaker 8: to give up on that altogether. But it's just hard
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  Speaker 8: to decide to wholesale scheme change things in the middle
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  Speaker 8: of a season, right?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's going to be interesting to see how they
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  Speaker 3: handle it. There's also, right, where you just manufacture the pressure.
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  Speaker 1: You bring blitzes.
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  Speaker 8: A lot of times when you blitz, you play zone
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  Speaker 8: behind it, though. Again, if you're not doing a ton
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  Speaker 8: of zone coverage, you're not often going to man pressure
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  Speaker 8: unless it's like a zero pressure.
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  Speaker 3: We'll see how they adjust because you've got to find
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  Speaker 3: a way to make it harder on Connor Wegman than
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  Speaker 3: you made it on Isaac Wilson.
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  Speaker 8: He seems good on offense. Their defense is not great,
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  Speaker 8: but their offense is, you know, I think he had
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  Speaker 8: five touchdown passes and added like 50 yards rushing too.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, he's a good player, and he's going to be
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  Speaker 3: able to adjust to, you know, whatever you're trying to hide,
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  Speaker 3: whatever you're showing and all that kind of stuff.
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  Speaker 8: How do you feel about the game?
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  Speaker 1: I'm nervous for this game.
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  Speaker 3: Uh, not because I think what we saw from Utah
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  Speaker 3: against Colorado is who they really are, but they haven't
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  Speaker 3: played a winning team yet.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 3: And now, so I think that the step up is
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  Speaker 3: very significant. Uh, and you do it on a national
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  Speaker 3: stage where, you know, you're highlighted game, although they still
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  Speaker 3: kept it late at night, which is somewhat laughable.
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  Speaker 8: Um, Oh, it's a late game again. Yeah. Like 10, 15, 10, 15,
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  Speaker 8: your time.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 8: Dude, this weekend, Oregon played 11, right? And I did
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  Speaker 8: not stay awake. But I woke up to pee at
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  Speaker 8: like 2.30. And I looked at my phone. It was
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  Speaker 8: 14 now, like two minutes left. So I sat in
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  Speaker 8: my bed and watched the phone. I watched the game.
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  Speaker 8: It sounded like the best part of our game. All
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  Speaker 8: the Oregon fans were like jealous of me that I
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  Speaker 8: skipped the terrible part of the football game and watched
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  Speaker 8: the last two minutes, which was the only good part.
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  Speaker 8: We played the whole game. I got lucky.
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  Speaker 3: I think I fell asleep right before we actually got
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  Speaker 3: a resolution on that game.
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  Speaker 8: It was late. It didn't end until 2.45 Eastern. That's insane.
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  Speaker 1: That's pretty ridiculous, honestly.
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  Speaker 8: It's not. I mean, it's like, and I saw Oregon
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  Speaker 8: got like, no, it was not ranked the top 25.
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  Speaker 8: I'm not sure we totally deserve it, but how many
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  Speaker 8: voters were awake at 2.45 watching the end of the
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  Speaker 8: game before they submitted their ballots for the week?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, nobody.
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  Speaker 3: Nobody.
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  Speaker 6: Nobody.
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  Speaker 1: Uh, BYU was able to beat Notre Dame.
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  Speaker 8: Yeah. Shocking. Shock. I was shocked. Okay.
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  Speaker 3: Um, what is the correct football outcome for that final
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  Speaker 3: play where there was an extra second, but they didn't
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  Speaker 3: realize that till after the fact, uh, there was a
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  Speaker 3: lot of contact on the coverage. A lot of folks
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  Speaker 3: thought the, you know, the rules officials and the rules
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  Speaker 3: expert were just like, yeah, that's past interference. Kirk herb street.
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  Speaker 3: It's out on the broadcast. That's past interference. Uh, Or,
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  Speaker 3: of course, the third option is no. Like, you let
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  Speaker 3: them play it out down at that end of the field,
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  Speaker 3: and Notre Dame didn't deserve an extra play, and they
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  Speaker 3: didn't make the play they needed to, so BYU wins.
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  Speaker 3: What is the objective correct football outcome for that scenario?
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  Speaker 8: Well, use something that I think is kind of silly, though.
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  Speaker 8: You just said that Notre Dame doesn't deserve one more second. No,
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  Speaker 8: there was one second left on the clock. We can
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  Speaker 8: debate pass interference, holding, like some of these, like, you know,
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  Speaker 8: calls that are just subjective, right? Human opinion, right? Did
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  Speaker 8: it happen? Did it not happen? I saw with my
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  Speaker 8: eyes this. We debate those all day, Sean. Was it
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  Speaker 8: pass interference? Probably. Do they call a lot of times
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  Speaker 8: in a situation at a game? No, but I think
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  Speaker 8: if they would have called it, you would have been like, okay,
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  Speaker 8: I see the pass interference. You can't mess up the clock, man.
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  Speaker 8: There was one second left. If you have to call
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  Speaker 8: the National Guard to take the people off the field,
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  Speaker 8: take the people off the field. I saw someone claim
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  Speaker 8: that they think Steve Young ran the field first because
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  Speaker 8: he knew there was a second left. He wanted there
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  Speaker 8: to be a big mob on the field to not
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  Speaker 8: have that happen. But there was a second left. You
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  Speaker 8: have to administer that correctly. We cannot have procedural issues.
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  Speaker 8: We've talked about this for years with the Pac-12. I
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  Speaker 8: had the same take for years now. You cannot have
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  Speaker 8: procedural issues like this in college football. Again, opinions on
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  Speaker 8: holding pass interference, fine. I think it's a holding. Whatever, man.
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  Speaker 8: But you can't mess this up, man. You just can't
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  Speaker 8: mess this up. There was a second left. No one's
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  Speaker 8: even arguing there wasn't. Everyone's like, yeah, there was a
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  Speaker 8: second left. We just didn't. The game ended. To me,
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  Speaker 8: you just can't make those errors, Sean. That's not acceptable.
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  Speaker 3: The argument from the bluest of bluebloods down here in
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  Speaker 3: Provo is that they delayed the start of the clock
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  Speaker 3: to favor Notre Dame, and so... It actually, when you
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  Speaker 3: play out.
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  Speaker 7: Oh, boy.
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  Speaker 3: When you let the game play, it actually took the
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  Speaker 3: full four seconds or whatever when you put a stopwatch
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  Speaker 3: next to it. But the thing is, we could debate it,
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  Speaker 3: and there's no reason to.
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  Speaker 1: BYU won. The result in the record book is that
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  Speaker 1: BYU won.
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  Speaker 8: They played better than Notre Dame. They deserve to win,
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  Speaker 8: but the fact is Notre Dame had one second left.
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  Speaker 8: It doesn't mean that they scored in that play, but
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  Speaker 8: There was a second left on the clock, and it
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  Speaker 8: wasn't administered correctly, and that's unfortunate because you don't want
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  Speaker 8: games to end with situations like this where you're like, hey,
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  Speaker 8: there's one second left. What happened here?
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  Speaker 1: Weird deal.
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  Speaker 3: Did that win get BYU into the college football playoff?
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  Speaker 3: Even if they lose to Utah, even if they don't
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  Speaker 3: play in the Big 12 championship game, or they do
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  Speaker 3: and they lose the Big 12 championship game, was that
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  Speaker 3: enough to get BYU in most likely?
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  Speaker 6: Yeah.
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  Speaker 8: So we're saying 11-1, no Big Ten Championship, no Big
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  Speaker 8: 12 Championship game, right? Yeah. Or like 10-2, no Big
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  Speaker 8: 12 Championship, or obviously they play in the game at 11-1,
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  Speaker 8: I think they're in no matter what.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, like 11-1 or 11-2, like you somehow play in
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  Speaker 3: the Big 12 Championship game, but you lose it, yeah.
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  Speaker 8: Yes, because who else is going to be in the
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  Speaker 8: playoff right now? Like... You have Ohio State, maybe, right?
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  Speaker 8: But now they have a quarterback injury, right? So that's
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  Speaker 8: a maybe, right? You have, I think Indiana's probably in. Oregon,
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  Speaker 8: unlikely unless they win out. It's kind of a bummer
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  Speaker 8: because our defense is playing so good right now. USC,
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  Speaker 8: I guess, but USC's got to sort of navigate Ohio State,
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  Speaker 8: Indiana still. plus they have a couple other, you know,
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  Speaker 8: they got the Bruins still. Dude, the Bruins are only
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  Speaker 8: a three-point, I mean, a three-point favorite, excuse me, USC's
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  Speaker 8: only a three-point favorite on the road to Wisconsin this weekend. Like,
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  Speaker 8: there's no gimme this weekend for USC. ACC's got one team.
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  Speaker 8: SEC's got Georgia, Bama probably, Ole Miss maybe. Like, there's
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  Speaker 8: not a lot of teams, man. Like, who's going to
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  Speaker 8: be in the, who's in?
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  Speaker 7: I don't know.
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  Speaker 8: I think the Big 12 is, have three possible spots
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  Speaker 8: in the playoff at the moment.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I saw someone write an article making the case
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  Speaker 3: for that, that you have BYU missing the game by
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  Speaker 3: losing to Utah, Utah being in the game and losing it,
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  Speaker 3: and then whoever wins the game being in it.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah.
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  Speaker 8: Yeah.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, maybe. Right?
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  Speaker 8: That's certainly possible.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, looks like this is the last year we have
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  Speaker 3: to make a 12-team debate to the pleasure of absolutely
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  Speaker 3: nobody around college football. This came out Wednesday night, and
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  Speaker 3: I didn't do a Thursday or Friday show last week
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  Speaker 3: because I was in Chicago for the PFL, and I
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  Speaker 3: was just yelling at the clouds about how dumb this is.
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  Speaker 8: Just taking days off, I'm not surprised.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, that's right.
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  Speaker 3: But I know you don't like it. Articulate for me
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  Speaker 3: why this is not in the best interest of college football.
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  Speaker 8: I just think that the goal of any tournament like
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  Speaker 8: this is to pick a champion, right? To find a champion.
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  Speaker 8: And I think that we have enough space available to
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  Speaker 8: find a champion. And this just, to me, turns into
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  Speaker 8: a participation tournament, right? Where we have eight and four
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  Speaker 8: teams making... making a championship. And to me, that's just
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  Speaker 8: a playoff, which is I get, Oh, the FCS does it. Okay.
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  Speaker 8: Who cares? But they also, this is also schedules around this, right?
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  Speaker 8: Like no one's going to change their scheduling and it's
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  Speaker 8: going to, it's going to, it's going to guarantee that
• 1:57:36
  Speaker 8: we're going to have teams that just don't schedule hard
• 1:57:40
  Speaker 8: that know they're better than the rest of the teams
• 1:57:42
  Speaker 8: in their conference. And even if they lose two games
• 1:57:44
  Speaker 8: in the conference to go 10 and two or nine
• 1:57:46
  Speaker 8: and three, even they're going to be a playoff team, Sean, right? Like,
• 1:57:48
  Speaker 8: I don't know how this really makes the sport that
• 1:57:50
  Speaker 8: much better, but, You could argue, well, a team like Oregon, right?
• 1:57:53
  Speaker 8: Let's say we lost to Oklahoma State, we lose to
• 1:57:56
  Speaker 8: UCLA playing a third-string quarterback, and let's say we finish 9-3. Okay, well,
• 1:58:03
  Speaker 8: should they be a playoff team 9-3? That doesn't feel
• 1:58:05
  Speaker 8: like a season that we should be a playoff team with, right?
• 1:58:08
  Speaker 8: I just don't see the value in this. And then also, too,
• 1:58:12
  Speaker 8: what frustrates me is, so we decided to be greedy, right,
• 1:58:16
  Speaker 8: and do this. It's for the money. So why don't
• 1:58:20
  Speaker 8: we be all the way greedy and just make as
• 1:58:22
  Speaker 8: much money as possible and bid this out to all
• 1:58:24
  Speaker 8: the networks? They give it to ESPN.
• 1:58:26
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 1:58:26
  Speaker 8: Like, just be greedy. Just make as much money as possible.
• 1:58:30
  Speaker 8: And I just, I know people make the argument that
• 1:58:35
  Speaker 8: the World Series games won't matter as much. That's probably true.
• 1:58:40
  Speaker 8: It won't matter as much. They're still going to matter.
• 1:58:43
  Speaker 8: You won't feel the sting as a fan. Like, when
• 1:58:45
  Speaker 8: we lost Oklahoma State, I was like, here we go.
• 1:58:47
  Speaker 8: Season's over. And now I probably won't feel that way.
• 1:58:51
  Speaker 8: I'll just be like, oh, well, we lost one. We'll
• 1:58:54
  Speaker 8: be fine.
• 1:58:56
  Speaker 1: Which I don't love.
• 1:58:59
  Speaker 3: I mean, I don't think that's good for college football to,
• 1:59:03
  Speaker 3: to not, I mean, part of the unique nature of
• 1:59:06
  Speaker 3: college football, part of the thing that separates it from
• 1:59:08
  Speaker 3: the NFL is that you, you have to care about
• 1:59:11
  Speaker 3: that week four matchup against a team you never thought
• 1:59:14
  Speaker 3: was going to be able to beat you. And, you know,
• 1:59:16
  Speaker 3: in the NFL, you could skip those because you, you
• 1:59:19
  Speaker 3: got four built-in losses every year before you have to
• 1:59:21
  Speaker 3: worry about it. And now like, If you're a big-time program,
• 1:59:26
  Speaker 3: if you're a famous program, you have three built-in losses
• 1:59:30
  Speaker 3: a year, probably?
• 1:59:31
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 1:59:32
  Speaker 8: Yeah, probably, yeah. Yeah, I mean, just... Is that what
• 1:59:37
  Speaker 8: you want? I mean, it's fine if that's what you want,
• 1:59:39
  Speaker 8: but I don't think the sport needs it. The sport,
• 1:59:42
  Speaker 8: what makes the sport so unique is obviously the urgency, right?
• 1:59:46
  Speaker 8: The sense of urgency and how important every game feels.
• 1:59:49
  Speaker 8: And while teams are going to win every game, of course,
• 1:59:52
  Speaker 8: it's not going to feel... every loss won't feel, it'll
• 1:59:55
  Speaker 8: feel like the NFL where your favorite team loses. And
• 1:59:57
  Speaker 8: you're like, okay, well get them next week. We, you know,
• 2:00:00
  Speaker 8: we're allowed six losses basically.
• 2:00:01
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 2:00:01
  Speaker 8: If you want to be a playoff team, most time
• 2:00:03
  Speaker 8: you can lose six games and be a playoff team
• 2:00:05
  Speaker 8: or seven games now with, uh, with a 17 game
• 2:00:08
  Speaker 8: schedule and you lose seven games and you're just like, okay, well,
• 2:00:12
  Speaker 8: all right. We lost, we lost again. Like we'll be fine.
• 2:00:15
  Speaker 8: College football, you know, clearly has never felt that way.
• 2:00:17
  Speaker 8: Now it's going to feel that way. And again, we're
• 2:00:18
  Speaker 8: not going to get any new champions. We're not going
• 2:00:21
  Speaker 8: to get a, you know, a dark horse winning a
• 2:00:25
  Speaker 8: championship because they're the 23 seed now. You know, it's
• 2:00:28
  Speaker 8: not going to happen. And then, too, I see these
• 2:00:31
  Speaker 8: things when we have these new playoff seedings. People put
• 2:00:34
  Speaker 8: out a list of, like, here's who would have made
• 2:00:37
  Speaker 8: the playoff in 2022, right? Let's just say random year. Guys,
• 2:00:42
  Speaker 8: we do realize that the committee is going to rank
• 2:00:45
  Speaker 8: teams differently knowing that all 24 are in, right? Like,
• 2:00:48
  Speaker 8: we get that, right? Like, they're going to pull a
• 2:00:50
  Speaker 8: little more care into who ranks 20th versus when you
• 2:00:52
  Speaker 8: have a 12 team playoff. And it probably doesn't matter
• 2:00:54
  Speaker 8: as much who ranks 20th or 22nd or 25th. Like
• 2:00:57
  Speaker 8: they're not going to let so many group of six
• 2:00:59
  Speaker 8: teams in. They're going to change. They're going to, the
• 2:01:01
  Speaker 8: rings will be different. Why, why, why do we not
• 2:01:03
  Speaker 8: get that? I don't get why people make this argument
• 2:01:04
  Speaker 8: of like, see in 2021, there would have been five
• 2:01:08
  Speaker 8: group of five teams in. Well, not, no, they would,
• 2:01:11
  Speaker 8: they would, they'd break them differently.
• 2:01:12
  Speaker 3: Uh, there was a bunch of top 10 teams, a
• 2:01:17
  Speaker 3: bunch of top 25 teams that lost this last weekend. Who,
• 2:01:22
  Speaker 3: whose loss hurt them the most? Whose loss took them
• 2:01:24
  Speaker 3: out of the college football playoff? Cause even with 12 teams, there's, there's,
• 2:01:27
  Speaker 3: you know, several of those squads, like Georgia's not out
• 2:01:30
  Speaker 3: of it because they lost one game. So who, who
• 2:01:33
  Speaker 3: eliminated themselves mid season with that loss in week seven?
• 2:01:37
  Speaker 8: Um, I mean, Texas feels like they're circling the drain.
• 2:01:40
  Speaker 8: Don't they? They do with their schedule still. Um, I
• 2:01:45
  Speaker 8: would probably say they did. Indiana should be fine. Ohio
• 2:01:51
  Speaker 8: State won but lost their quarterback. That's not a great
• 2:01:54
  Speaker 8: spot for them. I would probably say Texas is probably
• 2:01:57
  Speaker 8: the one who's in the most trouble.
• 2:02:01
  Speaker 3: I saw someone put up a big graphic about Texas
• 2:02:04
  Speaker 3: and the fact that Arch Manning was paid all this
• 2:02:08
  Speaker 3: money and he was the number one overall recruit and
• 2:02:10
  Speaker 3: so was Quinn Ewers and In both cases, they maybe
• 2:02:13
  Speaker 3: didn't get what they should have out of either of
• 2:02:16
  Speaker 3: those guys. And I don't know if Arch Manning ever
• 2:02:20
  Speaker 3: should have been the number one overall recruit. I don't
• 2:02:22
  Speaker 3: do the recruiting stuff. I don't do high school player evaluations. But,
• 2:02:26
  Speaker 3: you know, he's been good, not great. And obviously that's
• 2:02:30
  Speaker 3: different when you're at Texas, and it's a heck of
• 2:02:32
  Speaker 3: a lot different when there's Manning on the back of
• 2:02:34
  Speaker 3: your jersey. And, you know, Steve Sarkeesian in the span
• 2:02:38
  Speaker 3: of one week said, If his name was Joe Smith,
• 2:02:41
  Speaker 3: you'd be praising him, and then this week he said, yeah,
• 2:02:45
  Speaker 3: we're going to give the freshmen some more reps. So, like,
• 2:02:49
  Speaker 3: where do we actually stand on Arch Manning?
• 2:02:53
  Speaker 8: It just feels very mismanaged, doesn't it?
• 2:02:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 2:02:58
  Speaker 8: And, you know, the thing about Arch is, like, I've
• 2:03:02
  Speaker 8: said this for a while, you never just see, like,
• 2:03:05
  Speaker 8: a 60-minute game. Like, when's the last game you're like, man,
• 2:03:07
  Speaker 8: that's the Arch Manning game? Like, that's the game where
• 2:03:12
  Speaker 8: he showed he's in the top of the draft. Now,
• 2:03:14
  Speaker 8: a draft pick is different, you know, than where is
• 2:03:19
  Speaker 8: a college quarterback. Because, you know, in the draft, they
• 2:03:21
  Speaker 8: do a lot of trade drafting, right, Sean? So I
• 2:03:24
  Speaker 8: don't know what his NFL future is going to be.
• 2:03:25
  Speaker 8: I just know that Texas is not working. They're not,
• 2:03:29
  Speaker 8: you know, they're not completing enough passes down the field.
• 2:03:31
  Speaker 8: They're not using the weapons they have. The offense tries
• 2:03:33
  Speaker 8: out way too much. The offensive line is not really.
• 2:03:36
  Speaker 8: gone better. There's just not a lot of those wild
• 2:03:37
  Speaker 8: moments that Arch has, and the turnovers are brutal. So,
• 2:03:40
  Speaker 8: I don't know. I mean, look, the freshmen getting reps,
• 2:03:43
  Speaker 8: not a good sign for Arch. It does feel like they're,
• 2:03:46
  Speaker 8: you know, starting to have to make quarterback change, which
• 2:03:48
  Speaker 8: is crazy. You know, sooner than later, it feels like, right?
• 2:03:51
  Speaker 1: I think, but who knows?
• 2:03:55
  Speaker 3: Jeff Schwartz is our guest here on the Sean O'Connell Show,
• 2:03:57
  Speaker 3: talking all things college football. six undefeated teams left as
• 2:04:02
  Speaker 3: we have already talked about this week. One of those
• 2:04:05
  Speaker 3: is UCLA who, uh, lost their starting quarterback. How sustainable
• 2:04:10
  Speaker 3: is it for UCLA? Yeah, I don't, they've got a decent,
• 2:04:14
  Speaker 3: when I say decent, I mean a relatively easy schedule
• 2:04:16
  Speaker 3: ahead of them, but is, is this one going to
• 2:04:19
  Speaker 3: drop off a cliff because Nico's out?
• 2:04:22
  Speaker 8: I don't think the Bruins are that good, man. I,
• 2:04:24
  Speaker 8: I just, they're, they're a good team. Um, They beat Oregon,
• 2:04:30
  Speaker 8: who had the worst EPA. I mean, Oregon turned the
• 2:04:33
  Speaker 8: ball over six times, right? And they beat them by two.
• 2:04:36
  Speaker 8: And they beat Wisconsin in a game that just was
• 2:04:38
  Speaker 8: horrendously officiated. And Wisconsin just, I mean, just everything went
• 2:04:42
  Speaker 8: UCLA's way. And it's going to probably go their way
• 2:04:44
  Speaker 8: this weekend against Michigan State. And they're probably going to
• 2:04:48
  Speaker 8: be a playoff team. They're going to lose a playoff
• 2:04:50
  Speaker 8: game by multiple touchdowns. Chelsea's doing a really good job.
• 2:04:53
  Speaker 8: It's just they sort of have had things break their
• 2:04:56
  Speaker 8: way so far this year, which you need in a
• 2:04:57
  Speaker 8: given year. But I don't view them as a threat, really.
• 2:05:01
  Speaker 8: They scored 17 points two straight weeks and won games.
• 2:05:04
  Speaker 8: How often does that happen in college football? I don't know.
• 2:05:10
  Speaker 8: I argue not a lot.
• 2:05:14
  Speaker 1: Miami, BYU, UCLA, Texas Tech, Utah.
• 2:05:19
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 2:05:20
  Speaker 3: All undefeated still. Which one of those teams finishes with
• 2:05:24
  Speaker 3: the worst record?
• 2:05:26
  Speaker 8: Say them again.
• 2:05:27
  Speaker 1: Miami, BYU, Texas Tech, UCLA, Utah.
• 2:05:36
  Speaker 8: The problem is UCLA's schedule is so easy. They're going
• 2:05:40
  Speaker 8: to be a favorite to win nearly every game down
• 2:05:42
  Speaker 8: the stretch. Texas Tech's schedule is super easy too, right?
• 2:05:47
  Speaker 8: They don't get BYU or Utah.
• 2:05:51
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 2:05:52
  Speaker 3: Texas Tech's schedule, now Arizona's ranked, so they have... Ranked
• 2:05:57
  Speaker 3: Arizona on Halloween, and then they've got a road game
• 2:06:01
  Speaker 3: against Oklahoma State, a road game against Baylor, and they
• 2:06:04
  Speaker 3: finish the year with TCU.
• 2:06:06
  Speaker 1: Baylor's decent.
• 2:06:07
  Speaker 8: How many games are you guys losing? Geez. I'll say
• 2:06:13
  Speaker 8: BYU just to make your fans happy. All right. BYU.
• 2:06:20
  Speaker 8: Fair enough. Yeah, BYU it is.
• 2:06:24
  Speaker 6: All right.
• 2:06:25
  Speaker 3: In the NFL, my San Francisco 49ers remain undefeated and
• 2:06:29
  Speaker 3: are the very obvious Super Bowl champions. Can we shut
• 2:06:32
  Speaker 3: down the season now?
• 2:06:37
  Speaker 8: I don't know how to keep doing it, Sean. They're
• 2:06:40
  Speaker 8: so injured. Mike Evans has an Achilles problem now, which
• 2:06:43
  Speaker 8: sounds like it's one wrong move away from Achilles injury, right?
• 2:06:46
  Speaker 8: You know, just... I think I was doing my pockets earlier.
• 2:06:51
  Speaker 8: I think it's 23 of 29 targets have gone. Last
• 2:06:54
  Speaker 8: night went to three guys, right? McCaffrey, Kittle, and Mike Evans.
• 2:07:00
  Speaker 8: They're rushing the passer somehow, which they haven't done for
• 2:07:02
  Speaker 8: years now. I don't know how they keep it going,
• 2:07:05
  Speaker 8: but they certainly are, and they're playing good football. I mean,
• 2:07:08
  Speaker 8: let's just go show you Shanahan, right, man? Like, Shanahan
• 2:07:10
  Speaker 8: is an incredible coach. This team is prepared to play
• 2:07:13
  Speaker 8: each and every week. It's striking when they play teams
• 2:07:16
  Speaker 8: like Washington last night who just isn't coached as well
• 2:07:18
  Speaker 8: as Shanahan. And a Shanahan team. It's pretty remarkable to
• 2:07:22
  Speaker 8: see the difference in those.
• 2:07:24
  Speaker 1: Where is Jim Harbaugh coaching next year?
• 2:07:28
  Speaker 8: He's a special assistant for the New York Giants with
• 2:07:30
  Speaker 8: his brother. He can't go to college football. I would
• 2:07:35
  Speaker 8: have said USC, but he can't coach USC. And USC
• 2:07:37
  Speaker 8: might be a playoff team. So funny. USC is like
• 2:07:41
  Speaker 8: 123rd in the country in points per drive on defense.
• 2:07:45
  Speaker 8: It's just insanely bad. Did you know, by the way,
• 2:07:48
  Speaker 8: the NBA is on right now at the first game
• 2:07:50
  Speaker 8: of the regular season? It started at 3 p.m. Eastern
• 2:07:53
  Speaker 8: on Tuesday.
• 2:07:54
  Speaker 1: I'm watching it right now. 21-18 Detroit on top of
• 2:07:56
  Speaker 1: Boston with 2.5 points. minutes left in the first. Yeah.
• 2:08:04
  Speaker 8: That's insane. I don't know how. I don't know why
• 2:08:07
  Speaker 8: they did that.
• 2:08:11
  Speaker 3: James is telling me in my ear that they gave
• 2:08:13
  Speaker 3: all the tip-off day games to NBC and So they
• 2:08:17
  Speaker 3: had to all be, you know, they've got three games
• 2:08:19
  Speaker 3: they've got to play today.
• 2:08:20
  Speaker 1: So they had to put one early.
• 2:08:22
  Speaker 8: Okay. Interesting.
• 2:08:27
  Speaker 1: Utah's on, this is like the fourth straight night game.
• 2:08:31
  Speaker 8: As a fan, as an East Coast person, I hate the,
• 2:08:35
  Speaker 8: I can never watch you guys. You're so late at night.
• 2:08:37
  Speaker 8: I did watch your film, obviously, last week, but like
• 2:08:39
  Speaker 8: so late at night.
• 2:08:40
  Speaker 1: The fan base is starting to get a little restless
• 2:08:42
  Speaker 1: about it.
• 2:08:43
  Speaker 3: I like the night games because I can kind of like,
• 2:08:46
  Speaker 3: be with the kids all day, put them to bed-ish.
• 2:08:49
  Speaker 8: It's 9 o'clock, though.
• 2:08:51
  Speaker 3: It's not 11. Not everyone has little kids that are
• 2:08:55
  Speaker 3: going to bed at 7.30 either. There's a lot of
• 2:09:00
  Speaker 3: people who are bothered by the idea that they've got
• 2:09:02
  Speaker 3: to stay out until 1 a.m.
• 2:09:04
  Speaker 1: In order to see a Utah football game.
• 2:09:06
  Speaker 8: I think my son goes to bed after us some nights.
• 2:09:08
  Speaker 8: I think last night was one of them. I went
• 2:09:10
  Speaker 8: to bed at halftime last night. I think he was
• 2:09:11
  Speaker 8: still awake. He just walked in our room. He's like,
• 2:09:14
  Speaker 8: good night. I was like, good night. When Norman's on
• 2:09:17
  Speaker 8: the bed now, like at 1030 on a school night.
• 2:09:19
  Speaker 8: That a boy.
• 2:09:20
  Speaker 1: He just is up.
• 2:09:21
  Speaker 10: I don't know.
• 2:09:21
  Speaker 8: What are you going to do about it?
• 2:09:23
  Speaker 1: His season's over, right?
• 2:09:25
  Speaker 6: Alex?
• 2:09:26
  Speaker 1: His baseball season?
• 2:09:27
  Speaker 8: No, he's got two more games. Okay. Thunderbats, an 8-1 Thunderbats.
• 2:09:31
  Speaker 8: We're going to be the second place out of 28 teams,
• 2:09:33
  Speaker 8: I think. Nice.
• 2:09:34
  Speaker 6: Softball.
• 2:09:35
  Speaker 1: Do they have playoffs?
• 2:09:36
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 2:09:37
  Speaker 1: All right.
• 2:09:37
  Speaker 8: We're going to buy.
• 2:09:38
  Speaker 1: Let's go. Let's go.
• 2:09:39
  Speaker 8: Dude, I'm Emmy this week, buddy. Holy heck. She went
• 2:09:45
  Speaker 8: to the tournament Sunday. Girls good at softball. How's Utah's program?
• 2:09:51
  Speaker 8: Can you guys recruit her?
• 2:09:53
  Speaker 1: Yes, we'll make a phone call.
• 2:09:55
  Speaker 8: She wants to play Oregon. I was like, that's too
• 2:09:57
  Speaker 8: far away.
• 2:09:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Utah's a lot closer.
• 2:10:01
  Speaker 8: It certainly is. Perfect.
• 2:10:04
  Speaker 3: Last thing before we let you go, there's a problem.
• 2:10:08
  Speaker 3: We were talking betting in the last segment.
• 2:10:10
  Speaker 6: Okay.
• 2:10:11
  Speaker 3: There's a potential problem for all the BYU fans that
• 2:10:14
  Speaker 3: maybe put money on their team before the season started.
• 2:10:17
  Speaker 8: Oh, what's the problem?
• 2:10:18
  Speaker 3: Well, in the most recent general conference, the leadership of
• 2:10:26
  Speaker 3: the actual religion said, hey, we don't want you betting anymore.
• 2:10:29
  Speaker 1: So people have to kind of back off the betting stuff.
• 2:10:33
  Speaker 8: That's out.
• 2:10:35
  Speaker 3: Now maybe they can't cash their bets. So I brought
• 2:10:38
  Speaker 3: up the tradition that exists with, you know, sometimes the goy,
• 2:10:43
  Speaker 3: the Shabbos goy, helping out an Orthodox Jewish family by
• 2:10:48
  Speaker 3: turning on the stove or the lights or whatever. And
• 2:10:52
  Speaker 3: we could serve that role for the BYU fans.
• 2:10:56
  Speaker 8: So we go in their account and cash their money
• 2:10:58
  Speaker 8: for them?
• 2:10:58
  Speaker 1: Yes, yes.
• 2:10:59
  Speaker 8: Or they can sell their ticket to somebody.
• 2:11:03
  Speaker 1: Well, there you go. You just solved the problem for us.
• 2:11:05
  Speaker 8: There's websites that you can put your ticket on there
• 2:11:08
  Speaker 8: and people will buy it for you.
• 2:11:08
  Speaker 1: You can sell your winning ticket on there and someone
• 2:11:10
  Speaker 1: can buy it at a discount, I imagine?
• 2:11:11
  Speaker 8: No, no, no. So let's say you took BYU to
• 2:11:15
  Speaker 8: win the Big 12 whenever it was 10-1 before the season.
• 2:11:18
  Speaker 7: Right.
• 2:11:18
  Speaker 8: You put $ 100 on it. It's probably worth, I don't know,
• 2:11:22
  Speaker 8: $ 300 now. Nice. So you sell it for like $ 300. Okay.
• 2:11:24
  Speaker 1: So you get a profit. I didn't know about that. See?
• 2:11:27
  Speaker 8: And then they take your ticket over. Perfect.
• 2:11:30
  Speaker 1: We solved the problem.
• 2:11:31
  Speaker 8: That'd be great.
• 2:11:32
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 2:11:33
  Speaker 8: The church was like, no more gambling.
• 2:11:36
  Speaker 3: I think that there's a recognition that everyone's losing money
• 2:11:41
  Speaker 3: doing these prediction markets and stuff. Do you have prediction
• 2:11:44
  Speaker 3: markets in Utah? Yeah, they do have prediction markets here.
• 2:11:48
  Speaker 3: It's like strictly not legal, but how do you enforce it?
• 2:11:51
  Speaker 3: Because it's just on people's phones.
• 2:11:53
  Speaker 8: I love how PMs, they're absolutely gambling, but they somehow
• 2:11:57
  Speaker 8: get to avoid the regulation of gambling because of prediction markets. 100%.
• 2:11:59
  Speaker 1: It's insane.
• 2:12:00
  Speaker 8: I mean, like.
• 2:12:03
  Speaker 3: My wife showed me on the Robinhood stock trading app.
• 2:12:07
  Speaker 3: They have a prediction market section there. So you're just like,
• 2:12:11
  Speaker 3: it's right. It's just in your palm.
• 2:12:12
  Speaker 1: I love it.
• 2:12:13
  Speaker 8: It is. I haven't heard Robinhood in six years since
• 2:12:15
  Speaker 8: we were trading AMC stocks and COVID. Your wife checking
• 2:12:22
  Speaker 8: Robinhood often?
• 2:12:23
  Speaker 1: Dude, my wife is a shark on the Robinhood app.
• 2:12:27
  Speaker 1: She bets everything.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, we went to fights the other night, and then
• 2:12:32
  Speaker 3: she went to the BYU game with her family, and
• 2:12:36
  Speaker 3: she called me celebrating not because BYU had won, but
• 2:12:41
  Speaker 3: because she had placed a bet on BYU.
• 2:12:44
  Speaker 1: A prediction.
• 2:12:46
  Speaker 3: Yeah, she did a money line, like 5-1 on the
• 2:12:50
  Speaker 3: prediction market money line.
• 2:12:52
  Speaker 1: So she's like, where are the money? I was like,
• 2:12:54
  Speaker 1: what is wrong with you, degenerate?
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  Speaker 8: So I'm sure she's giving that money to you.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, for sure.
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  Speaker 8: Yes. I have so many Meredith stories. I know we
• 2:13:05
  Speaker 8: don't have time for Meredith stories, but she actually came
• 2:13:07
  Speaker 8: to Emmy softball this weekend, and it was a Meredith experience.
• 2:13:14
  Speaker 1: Was she playing the ponies at the.
• 2:13:15
  Speaker 8: Kid's softball game? No, but her cousin might have been
• 2:13:18
  Speaker 8: asked to leave by the umpire for yelling at the umpire.
• 2:13:23
  Speaker 8: Fun times, Schwartz household.
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  Speaker 1: I love it so much.
• 2:13:26
  Speaker 8: The umpire, to be fair, was a little bit sensitive.
• 2:13:28
  Speaker 8: He missed a very bad call, and everyone was yelling
• 2:13:30
  Speaker 8: at him. He was like, someone's got to leave from
• 2:13:32
  Speaker 8: the fans. And Charity was like, I didn't want to
• 2:13:35
  Speaker 8: leave anyway. They were like, fine, I'll just go. I
• 2:13:38
  Speaker 8: think a lot of parents said something to the umpire.
• 2:13:40
  Speaker 8: It was one of those where it was an easy
• 2:13:43
  Speaker 8: rule thing, and he just didn't see it. He actually
• 2:13:46
  Speaker 8: said to our coach, I didn't see it. It's probably
• 2:13:49
  Speaker 8: a bad answer.
• 2:13:50
  Speaker 3: I'm bothered that you deprived us of her on Real
• 2:13:52
  Speaker 3: Housewives of Charlotte.
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  Speaker 8: Oh, I'm not. She's a good job. Let's hope she
• 2:13:57
  Speaker 8: keeps it.
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  Speaker 5: All right.
• 2:13:59
  Speaker 1: Thanks for joining me. Talk to you next week.
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  Speaker 8: Take care, buddy. Talk to you. Enjoy staying up this weekend. Yes.
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  Speaker 3: That's Jeff Schwartz. And we will be staying up this weekend,
• 2:14:08
  Speaker 3: by the way. It is a blackout game at Rice-Eccles Stadium.
• 2:14:11
  Speaker 3: 8-15 kickoff, which really is more like an 8-30 kickoff
• 2:14:15
  Speaker 3: because they wait a little bit to see if the
• 2:14:17
  Speaker 3: game before is going to end so you don't have
• 2:14:19
  Speaker 3: to start on ESPN News. They push it until about 8-30,
• 2:14:23
  Speaker 3: and then you've got to kick off.
• 2:14:25
  Speaker 5: And more importantly, he gave us another solution so we
• 2:14:29
  Speaker 5: don't have to do the reverse Shalva Skoy, but he
• 2:14:31
  Speaker 5: said he's willing to do the reverse Shalva Skoy for
• 2:14:35
  Speaker 5: you members of the church. It takes a lot of
• 2:14:37
  Speaker 5: the fun out of it. Who may have put a
• 2:14:40
  Speaker 5: futures bet on BYU to win the Big 12. It
• 2:14:42
  Speaker 5: takes some of the fun out of it than just
• 2:14:44
  Speaker 5: being able to handle it directly.
• 2:14:46
  Speaker 1: All right. I asked the question at the top of
• 2:14:49
  Speaker 1: the show.
• 2:14:50
  Speaker 3: The mid season superlatives, the, your offensive player of the year,
• 2:14:53
  Speaker 3: your defensive player of the year, your newcomer of the year,
• 2:14:56
  Speaker 3: best coach.
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  Speaker 1: I don't think you could say Morgan. I think you
• 2:14:59
  Speaker 1: got it.
• 2:15:00
  Speaker 3: We'll make it assistant coaches, your team MVP overall. And
• 2:15:04
  Speaker 3: if you have any superlatives on the negative side, your
• 2:15:07
  Speaker 3: biggest disappointment, your where the heck is this guy?
• 2:15:09
  Speaker 1: What happened to him?
• 2:15:10
  Speaker 3: 8 7 7 3 5 3 0 700 at real
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  Speaker 3: OC sports. We're going to give away nickelback tickets at
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  Speaker 7: This is the Sean O'Connell Show, your home of the
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  Speaker 8: Of your youth.
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  Speaker 3: Your defensive MVP, your offensive MVP, your overall team MVP,
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  Speaker 3: your newcomer of the year, your best coach for this
• 2:15:57
  Speaker 3: Utah football team. We had a couple more responses we
• 2:15:59
  Speaker 3: didn't get to. The boss man on Twitter says, defensive MVP,
• 2:16:05
  Speaker 3: Rabbit Evans.
• 2:16:06
  Speaker 1: Rabbit has been, I.
• 2:16:08
  Speaker 3: Don't want to say surprising, because we knew he was
• 2:16:11
  Speaker 3: a good player when healthy, but.
• 2:16:13
  Speaker 1: The fact that he is getting.
• 2:16:15
  Speaker 3: 99% of the responses for defensive MVP as his name,
• 2:16:21
  Speaker 3: I think is pretty telling here. The boss man says
• 2:16:25
  Speaker 3: zero way. Williams has been the offensive MVP. I don't
• 2:16:28
  Speaker 3: know if I would go that far with zero way,
• 2:16:30
  Speaker 3: but I am very impressed with the way that he
• 2:16:32
  Speaker 3: and the whole offensive line have played. You're going to
• 2:16:35
  Speaker 3: have to step that up against Houston. You're going to
• 2:16:37
  Speaker 3: have to look way better against BYU than you've looked
• 2:16:40
  Speaker 3: all year. If you want to stop what they are
• 2:16:42
  Speaker 3: able to do defensively, but The offensive line and Zerway
• 2:16:47
  Speaker 3: have done great. Newcomer of the year, once again, Braden Pagan,
• 2:16:51
  Speaker 3: and coach of the year for a lot of people
• 2:16:53
  Speaker 3: right now, including Bossman, is Jordan Gross.
• 2:16:56
  Speaker 1: We came into the season with a lot.
• 2:16:58
  Speaker 3: Of worry, a lot of trepidation, a lot of questions
• 2:17:01
  Speaker 3: about whether or not this Utah offensive line was going
• 2:17:04
  Speaker 3: to be able to keep up with the talent you
• 2:17:07
  Speaker 3: have in these other position rooms. And Jordan Gross has
• 2:17:14
  Speaker 3: led us to a place where You don't have to
• 2:17:16
  Speaker 3: ask those questions anymore. You don't feel that nervousness anymore.
• 2:17:22
  Speaker 3: Overall team MVP. According to this tweet is a way.
• 2:17:26
  Speaker 3: Sean Parker, eight, seven, seven, three, five, three, zero 700.
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  Speaker 3: If you want to weigh in with your superlatives Hayden
• 2:17:33
  Speaker 3: on the tweet machine also said defensive MVP, rabbit Evans,
• 2:17:36
  Speaker 3: offensive MVP, way. Sean Parker pagan is newcomer of the
• 2:17:40
  Speaker 3: year and overall team MVP is way. Sean said his
• 2:17:44
  Speaker 3: disappointment because giving us a new perspective because the defensive
• 2:17:50
  Speaker 3: ends have been mentioned multiple times. He said, Larry Simmons
• 2:17:53
  Speaker 3: has been the disappointment. Larry Simmons has been fine when
• 2:17:56
  Speaker 3: he's targeted. And I think that this is a place
• 2:18:01
  Speaker 3: we have to be kind of careful because like for me,
• 2:18:03
  Speaker 3: I Hunter Andrews has been kind of a disappointment, not
• 2:18:08
  Speaker 3: because he's played poorly, but because they just haven't gotten
• 2:18:11
  Speaker 3: him involved the way that I thought. I thought he
• 2:18:14
  Speaker 3: was one of those guys we were going to say, wow,
• 2:18:15
  Speaker 3: look what this kid is capable of. Look what he
• 2:18:17
  Speaker 3: could do. I don't think he's played poorly at all.
• 2:18:20
  Speaker 3: I don't think he's making mistakes. I hear good things
• 2:18:23
  Speaker 3: about the way that he's practicing, but the ball just
• 2:18:28
  Speaker 3: can't find it into everyone's hands 10 times a game.
• 2:18:32
  Speaker 3: And actually, I want less of the distribution around. I
• 2:18:36
  Speaker 3: want the butter to be handed to Way Sean Parker,
• 2:18:40
  Speaker 3: not to Hunter Andrews or to Larry Simmons or to
• 2:18:46
  Speaker 3: Kyrie Scholes.
• 2:18:47
  Speaker 1: Like, where did he go?
• 2:18:49
  Speaker 6: Right?
• 2:18:54
  Speaker 3: Hayden also says a potential breakout could still be coming
• 2:18:57
  Speaker 3: from Creed Whittemore, who is, by the way, One of
• 2:19:02
  Speaker 3: the guests on the coaches show tonight, which of course
• 2:19:06
  Speaker 3: you can listen to after Spencer's show right here on
• 2:19:08
  Speaker 3: ESPN 700 and 92.1 FM. That is Bobo Chenault and
• 2:19:18
  Speaker 3: Creed Whittemore. Chenault had a good game until he didn't
• 2:19:28
  Speaker 3: know what the defensive play was coming in. And then
• 2:19:31
  Speaker 3: he gave up a touchdown as he was looking to
• 2:19:33
  Speaker 3: the sideline. But that'll be a fascinating point of conversation
• 2:19:37
  Speaker 3: for Bill Riley and Sly and everyone else involved in
• 2:19:40
  Speaker 3: the coaches show tonight.
• 2:19:44
  Speaker 6: All right.
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  Speaker 3: me as the NBA season opens today, which foreign country
• 2:22:43
  Speaker 3: has the greatest number of NBA players on opening day rosters?
• 2:22:49
  Speaker 1: Not the United States. Which foreign country?
• 2:22:54
  Speaker 3: Has placed the highest number of NBA players on opening
• 2:22:58
  Speaker 3: day rosters in 2026. We talked about it with Gordy
• 2:23:02
  Speaker 3: Chiesa earlier, 877-353-0700. James sent the full list of foreign-born
• 2:23:18
  Speaker 3: NBA players, and it's fascinating. I actually, I looked up,
• 2:23:22
  Speaker 3: around the NFL and major league baseball and the NHL,
• 2:23:26
  Speaker 3: 18 countries represented in the NHL, 43 countries represented in
• 2:23:34
  Speaker 3: the NBA, 15 countries represented in major league baseball. And
• 2:23:41
  Speaker 3: I thought, Oh, you know what? The NFL is going
• 2:23:43
  Speaker 3: to have the lowest number here. The NFL is maybe
• 2:23:49
  Speaker 3: there's a, you know, Maybe there's a half dozen countries.
• 2:23:53
  Speaker 3: You got a few guys from Canada.
• 2:23:55
  Speaker 1: You got Simone's and Tongans.
• 2:24:02
  Speaker 3: Guess how many foreign nations are represented on NFL rosters
• 2:24:06
  Speaker 3: in the 2026 season?
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  Speaker 8: Okay.
• 2:24:07
  Speaker 1: So 43 and 43 in the NBA. How many are
• 2:24:09
  Speaker 1: you baseball? 15 in baseball, 18 in the NHL.
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  Speaker 6: Oh, wow.
• 2:24:15
  Speaker 1: I didn't realize baseball was that low. I would have
• 2:24:17
  Speaker 1: guessed more.
• 2:24:18
  Speaker 3: It's like Dominican Republic, Venezuela, Mexico, uh, a couple of
• 2:24:23
  Speaker 3: Caribbean nations.
• 2:24:24
  Speaker 1: South and Central America. Hey, for sure.
• 2:24:27
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 2:24:27
  Speaker 3: There's no, there's like, there's nobody from Switzerland on a baseball.
• 2:24:31
  Speaker 1: That's true.
• 2:24:32
  Speaker 5: You're, they have not, they've not had Europeans infiltrate the game. Uh,
• 2:24:38
  Speaker 5: like they have an NBA and of course soccer. Um,
• 2:24:44
  Speaker 5: So how many in the, in the NFL? I'm going
• 2:24:51
  Speaker 5: to say six, 38, 38.
• 2:24:52
  Speaker 1: Isn't that wild?
• 2:24:53
  Speaker 5: The percentage is way. And I guess maybe it's because
• 2:24:57
  Speaker 5: more volume of players.
• 2:24:59
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 2:24:59
  Speaker 1: Low percentage can still be a lot of countries.
• 2:25:02
  Speaker 3: There's a huge number of players from different countries, but
• 2:25:06
  Speaker 3: it's a small percentage because they're big.
• 2:25:08
  Speaker 1: They're big rosters.
• 2:25:09
  Speaker 3: 53 man rosters.
• 2:25:11
  Speaker 6: Right.
• 2:25:12
  Speaker 3: But it's like, your Pacific nations, there's guys from Australia,
• 2:25:15
  Speaker 3: there's guys from New Zealand, there's guys from Canada, there's
• 2:25:18
  Speaker 3: guys from Germany. There's several, several African countries now represented
• 2:25:23
  Speaker 3: Cameroon and Nigeria, a lot of West African nations.
• 2:25:26
  Speaker 5: Now that you like say it, I'm like, well, there's
• 2:25:29
  Speaker 5: like six Pacific Islander country. Like six is a ridiculous
• 2:25:33
  Speaker 5: number for me to guess, but it, but, It's because
• 2:25:36
  Speaker 5: the percentage was so low. I'm like, well, it's got
• 2:25:38
  Speaker 5: to be a single digit number.
• 2:25:39
  Speaker 1: That's crazy. That's right. But you think about it.
• 2:25:42
  Speaker 3: And I was just like, yeah, it's like it's such
• 2:25:44
  Speaker 3: a unique American sport.
• 2:25:46
  Speaker 1: But there's a lot. There's a lot of people from
• 2:25:50
  Speaker 1: different nations.
• 2:25:50
  Speaker 3: So the NBA highest 43 countries represented on NBA rosters,
• 2:25:55
  Speaker 3: 38 on NFL rosters and the NHL and Major League
• 2:26:00
  Speaker 3: Baseball is the lowest.
• 2:26:02
  Speaker 1: I would have guessed MLB had more than 25. That's
• 2:26:06
  Speaker 1: what I would have guessed.
• 2:26:07
  Speaker 3: I would have guessed there would be kind of a lot.
• 2:26:10
  Speaker 3: In the NBA, you've got some places that only have
• 2:26:15
  Speaker 3: one player. Portugal's got one who happens to have ties.
• 2:26:21
  Speaker 1: Here to the state of Utah. Oh, who is the
• 2:26:24
  Speaker 1: Portuguese player? Nemeus Keita. Oh, yeah, yeah, of course. He's Portuguese-born.
• 2:26:30
  Speaker 1: Playing right now for the Celtics.
• 2:26:35
  Speaker 3: Sweden's got one player also ties to the state of
• 2:26:37
  Speaker 3: Utah here. Former Ute Pella Larson is the only Swedish
• 2:26:44
  Speaker 3: player on an NBA roster. Ukraine, one player on an
• 2:26:49
  Speaker 3: NBA roster. Jazzman, Shvi, Mikhailuk. So there's a bunch of
• 2:26:57
  Speaker 3: countries that just have the one guy. Serbia has six.
• 2:27:04
  Speaker 3: By the way, the correct answer to win the Nickelback
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  Speaker 3: tickets has not yet been texted in.
• 2:27:10
  Speaker 6: 877-353-0700.
• 2:27:11
  Speaker 3: Which foreign nation has the highest number of active players
• 2:27:15
  Speaker 3: on NBA rosters outside of the United States?
• 2:27:18
  Speaker 1: Oh, I just had to refresh. It's actually been texted
• 2:27:21
  Speaker 1: in a bunch of times. France.
• 2:27:23
  Speaker 3: France has 17 guys on NBA rosters. Canada is second
• 2:27:29
  Speaker 3: with 16. Australia has nine.
• 2:27:32
  Speaker 1: Germany.
• 2:27:34
  Speaker 3: Serbia following up with six. Spence Jackets in the... drive
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  Speaker 3: are next. You can listen to him from two to
• 2:27:43
  Speaker 3: six right here every single day. Then after that is
• 2:27:46
  Speaker 3: going to be the Morgan Scali coaches show with Creed
• 2:27:49
  Speaker 3: Whittemore and Bobo Chanel.
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  Speaker 1: Hi Spence.
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  Speaker 4: Hello, Sean.
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  Speaker 8: How are you?
• 2:27:54
  Speaker 4: I'm well, how are you?
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  Speaker 1: Great.
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  Speaker 8: It's a beautiful day.
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  Speaker 1: It's a wonderful day.
• 2:27:57
  Speaker 4: Are you going to get outside after the show?
• 2:27:59
  Speaker 1: I probably will. I have to walk outside after the show.
• 2:28:03
  Speaker 4: Well, I mean, outside of walking to your vehicle.
• 2:28:05
  Speaker 11: Do you have some fun outdoor plans this evening? I
• 2:28:08
  Speaker 11: didn't have any plans, but, you know. Maybe a fire
• 2:28:11
  Speaker 11: pit out in back of the O'Connell household?
• 2:28:14
  Speaker 3: We do have an outdoor little, you know, just the
• 2:28:17
  Speaker 3: one that's got the fire table. It has the tank
• 2:28:20
  Speaker 3: hidden underneath it.
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  Speaker 8: That's all you need.
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  Speaker 1: That's all you need.
• 2:28:22
  Speaker 4: Can you cook s'mores on it?
• 2:28:24
  Speaker 1: That's what we do. It's the only thing we use
• 2:28:25
  Speaker 1: it for.
• 2:28:26
  Speaker 4: What's your preferred s'mores recipe?
• 2:28:31
  Speaker 8: What else?
• 2:28:32
  Speaker 1: Marshmallows.
• 2:28:33
  Speaker 8: And?
• 2:28:35
  Speaker 3: You use the Ghirardelli Squares caramel chocolate.
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  Speaker 11: See, I knew there was going to be something. I
• 2:28:39
  Speaker 11: knew you weren't just going to say chocolate. Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: I knew it was going to be some sort of
• 2:28:43
  Speaker 4: fine type of chocolate.
• 2:28:44
  Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: It's like you use the caramel one, though. So that's
• 2:28:47
  Speaker 1: a caramel s'more.
• 2:28:50
  Speaker 4: So we found out what Sean is willing to spend
• 2:28:52
  Speaker 4: money on.
• 2:28:52
  Speaker 11: Because you get like the regular Hershey's chocolate, but if
• 2:28:56
  Speaker 11: you're getting the nice stuff, then you're throwing cash down.
• 2:28:59
  Speaker 1: You know? It's probably the only place I'm willing to
• 2:29:02
  Speaker 1: spend a little bit of money is on food.
• 2:29:04
  Speaker 4: Anything for the kiddos, though, right?
• 2:29:05
  Speaker 1: I don't know, man. They're unappreciative of such fine things.
• 2:29:09
  Speaker 8: How are they hanging in?
• 2:29:10
  Speaker 6: Great.
• 2:29:11
  Speaker 1: You doing all right? They're the best.
• 2:29:12
  Speaker 4: There are three of them, right?
• 2:29:13
  Speaker 1: There's three.
• 2:29:14
  Speaker 4: Oldest is?
• 2:29:16
  Speaker 1: Second grader. Seven and a half.
• 2:29:18
  Speaker 4: Can you say her name?
• 2:29:19
  Speaker 6: Yeah. Rowan. Rowan.
• 2:29:21
  Speaker 4: Give me one adjective to describe Rowan.
• 2:29:24
  Speaker 1: Hilarious. Okay.
• 2:29:25
  Speaker 8: Second?
• 2:29:27
  Speaker 1: Cameron.
• 2:29:27
  Speaker 8: Okay.
• 2:29:28
  Speaker 4: Give me one for Cameron.
• 2:29:30
  Speaker 6: Oh, man.
• 2:29:31
  Speaker 1: High maintenance. She's high maintenance.
• 2:29:33
  Speaker 8: And the youngest? Spicy.
• 2:29:35
  Speaker 1: We'll call her spicy.
• 2:29:36
  Speaker 4: We got spicy, high maintenance, and hilarious.
• 2:29:38
  Speaker 8: Yes.
• 2:29:39
  Speaker 4: What about Kendall?
• 2:29:40
  Speaker 1: Beautiful.
• 2:29:43
  Speaker 11: Well, I mean, outside of just reducing her to her looks,
• 2:29:46
  Speaker 11: how about who.
• 2:29:46
  Speaker 4: She is as a person?
• 2:29:50
  Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, you're right.
• 2:29:52
  Speaker 4: I'm just trying to help you.
• 2:29:53
  Speaker 1: No, I appreciate that.
• 2:29:55
  Speaker 4: She is a very beautiful woman.
• 2:29:56
  Speaker 1: I get to use one? You know what?
• 2:29:59
  Speaker 8: Let's open it up.
• 2:30:00
  Speaker 4: But let's talk about the main one as a person.
• 2:30:04
  Speaker 1: The main character trait of my wife. Caring.
• 2:30:08
  Speaker 8: Caring.
• 2:30:08
  Speaker 1: She's a caring person.
• 2:30:09
  Speaker 4: Okay, now we can expand it.
• 2:30:11
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 2:30:12
  Speaker 1: She cares about everything and everybody except me.
• 2:30:14
  Speaker 4: Yeah, that sounds right.
• 2:30:16
  Speaker 1: Just kidding.
• 2:30:17
  Speaker 11: Okay, outside carrying, what else is she? She's adventurous. It's
• 2:30:21
  Speaker 11: actually really crazy. My wife is like a weird daredevil.
• 2:30:24
  Speaker 8: I like that.
• 2:30:25
  Speaker 3: To the point where I'm like, stop doing that kind
• 2:30:28
  Speaker 3: of stuff, because you're going to get yourself hurt. If
• 2:30:32
  Speaker 3: you go skiing with my wife, you're not just going
• 2:30:36
  Speaker 3: to ski and enjoy the slopes. She's going to take
• 2:30:38
  Speaker 3: you down some double black diamond backcountry run.
• 2:30:41
  Speaker 1: She's a bit of an adrenaline junk.
• 2:30:43
  Speaker 8: Interesting.
• 2:30:43
  Speaker 1: It's really fascinating.
• 2:30:44
  Speaker 3: And so are you in a way, right? People would
• 2:30:47
  Speaker 3: think because of like what I used to do for work.
• 2:30:50
  Speaker 6: Yes.
• 2:30:50
  Speaker 3: That my personality is more geared towards some of that because,
• 2:30:53
  Speaker 3: you know, physical combat is something that a lot of
• 2:30:56
  Speaker 3: people shy away from, but I'm like, no, I'm cool.
• 2:30:59
  Speaker 3: Just like enjoying this. Like we're going, we're going for
• 2:31:02
  Speaker 3: a little ride. She's like, let's drag race instead.
• 2:31:04
  Speaker 4: Oh, wow.
• 2:31:05
  Speaker 8: Okay.
• 2:31:05
  Speaker 1: Wild card. I like that.
• 2:31:07
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 2:31:07
  Speaker 1: It's crazy.
• 2:31:08
  Speaker 4: One thing about her you wish you could change.
• 2:31:11
  Speaker 1: Spending habits.
• 2:31:13
  Speaker 4: But not like who she is as a person.
• 2:31:15
  Speaker 1: Spending habits.
• 2:31:19
  Speaker 4: What would she say about you?
• 2:31:20
  Speaker 1: Oh, I don't even want to know.
• 2:31:23
  Speaker 4: What would she say your best character trait is?
• 2:31:27
  Speaker 1: You got to talk to her, man.
• 2:31:28
  Speaker 4: Why do you think she married you?
• 2:31:31
  Speaker 1: I think that she was impressed by my abs.
• 2:31:36
  Speaker 4: Well, we all know that's not the case.
• 2:31:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah, we know that's not the case.
• 2:31:39
  Speaker 4: Do you think it's going to last?
• 2:31:41
  Speaker 8: Yeah. I'm just kidding.
• 2:31:43
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 2:31:44
  Speaker 1: I'm betting on it.
• 2:31:44
  Speaker 8: I'm just kidding. How was the show, man? It was good.
• 2:31:47
  Speaker 4: Caught a little bit of it here or there as
• 2:31:49
  Speaker 4: I was driving around.
• 2:31:50
  Speaker 3: Have you ever done a s'more by dipping a Reese's
• 2:31:52
  Speaker 3: peanut butter cup in marshmallow fluff and.
• 2:31:54
  Speaker 1: Then roasting it?
• 2:31:55
  Speaker 4: Ooh, that sounds awesome.
• 2:31:56
  Speaker 3: The marshmallow fluff feels like cheating because you're trying to
• 2:32:00
  Speaker 3: turn the marshmallow itself into fluff. That's why you're applying heat.
• 2:32:05
  Speaker 4: And there is an art to it.
• 2:32:06
  Speaker 1: And you want... I want a good char, right?
• 2:32:09
  Speaker 4: You like a good char.
• 2:32:09
  Speaker 1: I like it to be a little burnt on the outside.
• 2:32:11
  Speaker 8: But just a little.
• 2:32:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah, not a ton. You're not immolating the thing.
• 2:32:15
  Speaker 4: Yeah, the masochists that just burn it right away. Like,
• 2:32:17
  Speaker 4: come on. We're doing a thing here. Participate.
• 2:32:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah, like, don't... You gotta be an artiste about it.
• 2:32:22
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 2:32:23
  Speaker 1: You gotta try to get the right crust on there.
• 2:32:26
  Speaker 11: Have the girls decided on their Halloween costumes?
• 2:32:28
  Speaker 6: Not yet.
• 2:32:29
  Speaker 1: You guys... We're a family of procrastinators, so.
• 2:32:32
  Speaker 8: Okay.
• 2:32:33
  Speaker 3: Day before Halloween, we'll be picking through some bargain bin...
• 2:32:36
  Speaker 3: For a terrible costume.
• 2:32:38
  Speaker 11: Well, it makes sense if Kendall's out skydiving while the
• 2:32:40
  Speaker 11: kids are in school or something.
• 2:32:42
  Speaker 1: That's right. She's probably dirt bike racing at the moment.
• 2:32:45
  Speaker 4: Do you trick-or-treat in your neighborhood?
• 2:32:47
  Speaker 1: We do now, yeah.
• 2:32:49
  Speaker 4: Yeah, that's a good spot to trick-or-treat.
• 2:32:52
  Speaker 3: It wasn't always, but there's a bit of unfortunate turnover
• 2:32:57
  Speaker 3: happening right now with the age demographic.
• 2:32:59
  Speaker 1: Of our neighborhood.
• 2:33:01
  Speaker 4: The boomers are dying off?
• 2:33:02
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 2:33:03
  Speaker 3: The slightly older boomers are moving out, we hope. That's
• 2:33:07
  Speaker 3: why their houses are for sale.
• 2:33:09
  Speaker 11: Have you identified the houses that go full candy bar
• 2:33:12
  Speaker 11: as opposed to the ones that scrimp?
• 2:33:15
  Speaker 1: We're not in that nice of a neighborhood. Yeah, it's
• 2:33:18
  Speaker 1: a pretty.
• 2:33:18
  Speaker 4: Nice spot, man.
• 2:33:19
  Speaker 1: Full candy bar?
• 2:33:20
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah, full candy bar. You got to go
• 2:33:23
  Speaker 4: full candy bar.
• 2:33:23
  Speaker 1: What is this, Pepperwood? Wait, what do you give out? Nothing.
• 2:33:27
  Speaker 4: You give out nothing?
• 2:33:28
  Speaker 1: No, I'm just kidding.
• 2:33:29
  Speaker 3: We're an airhead house. Or actually, I saw this, you know,
• 2:33:34
  Speaker 3: the caramel apple pop? Ooh, love the caramel apple pop.
• 2:33:36
  Speaker 1: Caramel apple sucker. Saw a bag of those.
• 2:33:38
  Speaker 3: If they make it all the way till Halloween, because
• 2:33:40
  Speaker 3: that's another thing about my beautiful wife.
• 2:33:43
  Speaker 1: She loves herself a treat. She might eat all those.
• 2:33:45
  Speaker 1: A little bit of sweet tooth. Yeah, she might eat
• 2:33:47
  Speaker 1: all those before Halloween rolls around.
• 2:33:48
  Speaker 6: Okay.
• 2:33:49
  Speaker 11: No, that's a nice neighborhood. It's a walkable neighborhood. It's
• 2:33:52
  Speaker 11: a good trick-or-treating neighborhood.
• 2:33:55
  Speaker 8: It's great.
• 2:33:57
  Speaker 1: Superlatives for the team.
• 2:33:59
  Speaker 3: Are we talking about Utah football? Utah football is halfway
• 2:34:02
  Speaker 3: through their season. Offensive MVP so far. Defensive MVP so far.
• 2:34:07
  Speaker 1: Coach of the year so far. You can't say Morgan.
• 2:34:10
  Speaker 1: Newcomer of the year.
• 2:34:12
  Speaker 4: Way Sean.
• 2:34:13
  Speaker 1: Offense.
• 2:34:14
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 2:34:16
  Speaker 4: Jackson Benny defense.
• 2:34:17
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 2:34:20
  Speaker 8: McGiven.
• 2:34:21
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 2:34:21
  Speaker 4: Coach of the year.
• 2:34:22
  Speaker 1: Mac G.
• 2:34:23
  Speaker 4: Newcomer pagan.
• 2:34:25
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 2:34:25
  Speaker 1: That's kind of the layups, right?
• 2:34:27
  Speaker 3: Well, rabbit Evans has been getting the bulk of the
• 2:34:30
  Speaker 3: defensive player of the year nods, which I appreciate.
• 2:34:33
  Speaker 1: He's had a great year so far.
• 2:34:35
  Speaker 3: Way Sean all over the place for both full team
• 2:34:38
  Speaker 3: MVP and offensive MVP.
• 2:34:40
  Speaker 1: We've had a nice assortment of coaches, right?
• 2:34:43
  Speaker 3: A lot of love for Jordan gross because we were
• 2:34:46
  Speaker 3: so worried about the offensive line.
• 2:34:47
  Speaker 1: They played well. Mac G certainly getting his love.
• 2:34:50
  Speaker 3: A couple of nods for Colton Swan as well, because
• 2:34:52
  Speaker 3: the defense is, barring what we saw in the second
• 2:34:55
  Speaker 3: half against Colorado has looked really awesome. So yeah, there's a,
• 2:34:59
  Speaker 3: you know, there, I wanted to, I was pretty negative
• 2:35:01
  Speaker 3: on the show yesterday because of that Colorado game.
• 2:35:03
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 2:35:03
  Speaker 3: But when you look at it and undefeated team halfway
• 2:35:06
  Speaker 3: through the season and you've had some surprises, some nice
• 2:35:09
  Speaker 3: little breakouts.
• 2:35:10
  Speaker 1: And so we went with superlatives today.
• 2:35:12
  Speaker 11: Well, Morgan himself, both after the game and then Monday media,
• 2:35:15
  Speaker 11: and we'll hear what he has to say tonight. Now
• 2:35:18
  Speaker 11: that they've had a couple of days to watch film,
• 2:35:20
  Speaker 11: I think he's been very salient in his criticism of
• 2:35:23
  Speaker 11: his team. And you know, look, there's nothing we can
• 2:35:26
  Speaker 11: say on our shows that they don't know. I mean,
• 2:35:31
  Speaker 11: they have to be so much better on Saturday than
• 2:35:33
  Speaker 11: they have been over the past two games to be Houston.
• 2:35:35
  Speaker 4: You know, it's interesting.
• 2:35:37
  Speaker 11: The kind of Wegman kid plays a little bit like,
• 2:35:39
  Speaker 11: but this is like a dress rehearsal for BYU in
• 2:35:42
  Speaker 11: a way he's like bear, but 30 pounds lighter, easier
• 2:35:46
  Speaker 11: to tackle.
• 2:35:47
  Speaker 8: Yes.
• 2:35:47
  Speaker 11: He's not a linebacker playing quarterback, but he's a, Pretty
• 2:35:51
  Speaker 11: well-built kid that likes to run.
• 2:35:52
  Speaker 4: He's a really good player.
• 2:35:54
  Speaker 11: So, you know, we've talked a lot about, are you
• 2:35:57
  Speaker 11: concerned about lack of sacks? And Morgan's not, so I'll
• 2:36:01
  Speaker 11: concede to him, obviously. But Bear Bachmeier is a problem.
• 2:36:08
  Speaker 4: And this is a good.
• 2:36:09
  Speaker 11: Dress rehearsal for Utah's defense to prepare themselves for the seventh.
• 2:36:12
  Speaker 8: Yeah, fair.
• 2:36:14
  Speaker 3: Last thing before I get out of here. Gordy came
• 2:36:17
  Speaker 3: on and we were talking about the international flavor of
• 2:36:19
  Speaker 3: the NBA.
• 2:36:20
  Speaker 1: 43 countries represented on NBA rosters.
• 2:36:23
  Speaker 3: I don't know if you heard right before you were
• 2:36:24
  Speaker 3: walking in when we did the breakdown on the countries
• 2:36:27
  Speaker 3: for Major League Baseball, the NHL, and NFL football. Does
• 2:36:33
  Speaker 3: that surprise you that that many countries are represented in
• 2:36:36
  Speaker 3: the NFL? I thought it was just like an American
• 2:36:38
  Speaker 3: sport with an occasional Canadian player.
• 2:36:40
  Speaker 1: And are, of course, Polynesians.
• 2:36:42
  Speaker 4: What was the number?
• 2:36:43
  Speaker 11: 38 countries. No part of me would have guessed that.
• 2:36:47
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 2:36:48
  Speaker 11: Yeah, that's stunning. I probably would have guessed like five.
• 2:36:51
  Speaker 11: I mean, I thought they were dead last.
• 2:36:55
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 2:36:55
  Speaker 1: And they're second behind the NBA.
• 2:36:57
  Speaker 4: That's interesting.
• 2:36:58
  Speaker 1: The NHL is last. It will be.
• 2:37:00
  Speaker 11: I mean, I've talked for years about the NFL's desire.
• 2:37:07
  Speaker 11: to permeate through Europe and international markets.
• 2:37:11
  Speaker 4: It just doesn't, I don't know.
• 2:37:13
  Speaker 11: Every time I watch an NFL London game, it doesn't
• 2:37:15
  Speaker 11: feel like the crowds all that into it. I mean,
• 2:37:18
  Speaker 11: the NBA as a result of the dream team in 92,
• 2:37:22
  Speaker 11: of course, Gordy would tell you more, more than anybody
• 2:37:24
  Speaker 11: has created this cultural footprint that almost allows them to
• 2:37:29
  Speaker 11: ignore their domestic issues, which irritates me. If I just
• 2:37:34
  Speaker 11: don't know that American football moves the needle internationally, but
• 2:37:39
  Speaker 11: it's surprising that that many international players have put in
• 2:37:42
  Speaker 11: the league, you know, it would change it. If some
• 2:37:43
  Speaker 11: like Brit became an awesome quarterback.
• 2:37:46
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 2:37:46
  Speaker 8: Right.
• 2:37:47
  Speaker 3: You know, I, it's, I think that one thing that
• 2:37:49
  Speaker 3: the NFL probably, probably won't get the kind of viewership
• 2:37:56
  Speaker 3: they won't, they won't get the money from foreign countries.
• 2:38:01
  Speaker 1: I think they're going to get the players though.
• 2:38:03
  Speaker 3: I think that the talent pipeline, when you go to
• 2:38:07
  Speaker 3: some of these, you know, far flung nations, when you
• 2:38:10
  Speaker 3: go to Eastern Europe and you get those guys and
• 2:38:12
  Speaker 3: you're just like, look, man, I know you wanted to
• 2:38:14
  Speaker 3: be an Olympian and water polo, but you're six foot
• 2:38:17
  Speaker 3: seven and 235 pounds and you're 14 years old.
• 2:38:20
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 2:38:21
  Speaker 3: Come to the United States. Let us teach you how
• 2:38:23
  Speaker 3: to be a tight end and watch what happens for you.
• 2:38:25
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 2:38:26
  Speaker 3: I think you're going to get a lot of that.
• 2:38:27
  Speaker 3: I think that they've tapped into the African market now
• 2:38:29
  Speaker 3: in the West African nations that have just these. Big,
• 2:38:33
  Speaker 3: big athletes. I mean, we're seeing the same thing in
• 2:38:35
  Speaker 3: combat sports. So I think that while the NFL is
• 2:38:38
  Speaker 3: probably going to have a hard time capturing the international dollar,
• 2:38:42
  Speaker 3: I think that the international talent is going to want
• 2:38:44
  Speaker 3: to capture the NFL dollar. And so they will develop
• 2:38:48
  Speaker 3: themselves into players.
• 2:38:49
  Speaker 11: And that could change the whole ecosystem because Yao Ming
• 2:38:53
  Speaker 11: changed everything for the NBA in their relationship with China.
• 2:38:56
  Speaker 11: Ask Daryl Morey. They're so protective of the revenue stream
• 2:39:01
  Speaker 11: that China is. As a result of them all being
• 2:39:04
  Speaker 11: big basketball fans, that never would have happened if Yao
• 2:39:06
  Speaker 11: was a Yao.
• 2:39:08
  Speaker 1: Only one Chinese player on an NBA roster this.
• 2:39:11
  Speaker 11: Year so far. Surprising that we didn't see more of
• 2:39:14
  Speaker 11: an influx after Yao Ming. But yeah, the Yao thing.
• 2:39:18
  Speaker 11: And there's an interesting documentary on the NBA Africa project
• 2:39:22
  Speaker 11: right now where coaches are like, there are 12 LeBron
• 2:39:25
  Speaker 11: James in this league. Just 6'8, 250, massive athletes.
• 2:39:30
  Speaker 4: We'll see if that... translates into skill sets.
• 2:39:34
  Speaker 7: All right.
• 2:39:34
  Speaker 3: Stay tuned for the drive. Thanks for listening to the
• 2:39:36
  Speaker 3: Sean O'Connell show. We'll do it again tomorrow on ESPN
• 2:39:38
  Speaker 3: 700 and 92 on FM.