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- 0:03Speaker 1: Hello, Hello, Oh Hello, Do you know who this is? Yes, Stevie, Yeah,
- 0:11Speaker 1: you got me.
- 0:12Speaker 2: You have a pretty recognizable voice.
- 0:15Speaker 1: I have to say.
- 0:15Speaker 3: It has sort of like a pleasantly deep registered wow
- 0:19Speaker 3: in a nice way, but it makes your voice very distinct.
- 0:22Speaker 4: It's funny you should say this because, Yeah, one time,
- 0:26Speaker 4: when I was like in middle school, my friend called
- 0:28Speaker 4: my house and I picked up the phone and I
- 0:31Speaker 4: was like, hello, and she thought it was my dad.
- 0:33Speaker 4: She was like, hi, Rob, is Stevie home? And I
- 0:37Speaker 4: just pretended that, in fact, I was my father, and
- 0:41Speaker 4: I was just like, uh yeah, let me get her.
- 0:44Speaker 1: You didn't want to contradict your friend.
- 0:46Speaker 4: I think I was just so embarrassed that I could
- 0:49Speaker 4: possibly be mistaken for an old man.
- 0:52Speaker 5: Well maybe with respect to your dad, he maybe he
- 0:55Speaker 5: kind of sounds like little girl.
- 1:00Speaker 3: Hello, Stevie Lane, stads speaking.
- 1:09Speaker 4: I'm Stevie Lane, and this is Heavyweight Today's episode forty
- 1:15Speaker 4: four photos.
- 1:23Speaker 1: Right after the break.
- 1:31Speaker 4: There are places, according to Celtic folklore, where the boundary
- 1:35Speaker 4: between our physical world and the spiritual world is porous,
- 1:40Speaker 4: where Earth and the otherworldly are separated.
- 1:42Speaker 1: By no more than a few inches.
- 1:45Speaker 4: At these places, strange unexplainable things can happen. These places
- 1:51Speaker 4: are called thin places, and this is a story about
- 1:55Speaker 4: one of them. A few years ago, Jordan Kissner wrote
- 2:03Speaker 4: a book about thin places. She wanted to send it
- 2:06Speaker 4: to her friend Amy.
- 2:08Speaker 2: So it was April seventh, twenty twenty one, and I
- 2:12Speaker 2: went to the USPS that was a few blocks away
- 2:18Speaker 2: from my apartment at the time.
- 2:21Speaker 4: Jordan bought a brown padded envelope, put her book inside,
- 2:24Speaker 4: and handed it to the postal worker and that was that.
- 2:28Speaker 2: It was a really uneventful post office visit on a
- 2:32Speaker 2: pretty normal spring day in Vegas.
- 2:38Speaker 6: It was a sunny day in April, and I walked
- 2:42Speaker 6: to the mailbox. This is Jordan's friend Amy, which is
- 2:46Speaker 6: a really exciting part of my day. I really like mail.
- 2:49Speaker 6: And I opened the mailbox with the little key and
- 2:54Speaker 6: there's something like stuffed into my box.
- 2:57Speaker 4: Something Amy had been expecting the package Jordan sent her.
- 3:01Speaker 6: It says, you know, to Amy from Jordan and the
- 3:05Speaker 6: addresses Las Vegas.
- 3:07Speaker 4: Amy brought the package back to her house and eagerly
- 3:10Speaker 4: tore it open. But inside Amy did not find Jordan's book.
- 3:15Speaker 4: She didn't find a book at all. Instead, she found
- 3:18Speaker 4: a stack of.
- 3:19Speaker 6: Photographs, and that's where the mystery begins.
- 3:29Speaker 4: Amy didn't recognize anyone in the photos. There was one
- 3:33Speaker 4: of a girl wearing a blue T shirt with clouds
- 3:35Speaker 4: printed on it, another of three teenagers in caps and gowns.
- 3:40Speaker 4: The people were of all different ages and races. Some
- 3:43Speaker 4: of the photos were in black and white, some in color.
- 3:46Speaker 4: One was a polaroid. Amy counted forty four photos in all,
- 3:51Speaker 4: forty four photos of complete and total strangers, And yet
- 4:02Speaker 4: the package was labeled to Amy, her name written in
- 4:06Speaker 4: ballpoint pen Jordan's return address was scrawled in the upper
- 4:09Speaker 4: left hand corner. Struggling to come up with an explanation,
- 4:14Speaker 4: Amy wondered.
- 4:15Speaker 6: Maybe Jordan sent these by accident.
- 4:19Speaker 4: So Amy texted Jordan, telling her she received her package,
- 4:23Speaker 4: but rather than a book, found forty four photographs inside.
- 4:27Speaker 2: And I was completely confused.
- 4:31Speaker 1: I just couldn't.
- 4:32Speaker 2: I actually felt like I couldn't totally comprehend the message
- 4:35Speaker 2: she was sending me.
- 4:37Speaker 1: So Jordan texted Amy back.
- 4:39Speaker 6: Wait, Comma, what with two question marks?
- 4:43Speaker 5: Two?
- 4:44Speaker 3: Yeah? Two?
- 4:45Speaker 6: And then photos question mark.
- 4:48Speaker 4: Amy sent Jordan a picture of the package and all
- 4:50Speaker 4: forty four photographs spread out on her kitchen counter.
- 4:54Speaker 6: And she said, what in all caps? I have no
- 4:57Speaker 6: idea what those photos are. I don't even I know
- 5:00Speaker 6: those people, but that's my handwriting on the package.
- 5:08Speaker 4: It was hard to know what to make of the
- 5:10Speaker 4: whole thing. It's like Amy expected a book about thin
- 5:14Speaker 4: places but got an actual thin place experience instead. Amy
- 5:20Speaker 4: can't bring herself to just throw the photos away, so
- 5:23Speaker 4: for an entire year now she's kept them by her desk,
- 5:26Speaker 4: and for an entire year she's been studying them. There's
- 5:30Speaker 4: the one of a new baby sucking on someone's finger.
- 5:33Speaker 4: There's a little girl in glasses and a cheerleader's outfit,
- 5:36Speaker 4: holding her leg up and smiling confidently into the camera.
- 5:40Speaker 4: The more Amy looks at the photos, the more she
- 5:43Speaker 4: thinks about the family that's missing them. These people in
- 5:47Speaker 4: the photos are nobody's to Amy, but they are somebody's
- 5:51Speaker 4: to somebody.
- 5:52Speaker 6: Is there a way to find any of these people?
- 5:55Speaker 3: Like?
- 5:56Speaker 6: Who are they? Do they want their photographs back? Because
- 5:59Speaker 6: I would like the photographs to be returned to the family.
- 6:04Speaker 6: I feel like people should have their things.
- 6:07Speaker 4: A year ago, when Amy first received the package, she
- 6:11Speaker 4: and Jordan tried opening a case file on the mysterious
- 6:14Speaker 4: photos hoping the USPS could shed light on where they
- 6:17Speaker 4: came from, but nothing ever came of it.
- 6:20Speaker 2: The mail system, we feel like we understand it, but
- 6:24Speaker 2: then when you really think about it, it is this
- 6:27Speaker 2: complete mystery. It's like a void into which we send
- 6:30Speaker 2: stuff and from which that stuff emerges again. But then
- 6:33Speaker 2: when it doesn't emerge, you're like, wait a second, but
- 6:35Speaker 2: what is where is it going?
- 6:38Speaker 1: What is this system? What don't we know about it?
- 6:41Speaker 4: There's a lot that I don't know about it, but
- 6:44Speaker 4: Amy and Jordan want my help figuring out how Amy
- 6:47Speaker 4: ended up with the photographs and how to return to sender.
- 6:52Speaker 4: To get to the bottom of it, I'll have to
- 6:54Speaker 4: navigate a mysterious, little understood world that exists alongside our own,
- 7:00Speaker 4: a world separated only by an inches wide slot in
- 7:04Speaker 4: a metal box. And so I step over the boundary
- 7:10Speaker 4: into the world of the United States Postal Service.
- 7:20Speaker 1: I start with a.
- 7:21Speaker 4: Theory that Jordan, Amy and I discussed on the phone.
- 7:24Speaker 4: Jordan had sent Amy the book via media mail, a
- 7:27Speaker 4: discounted rate for sending things like books and CDs. From
- 7:31Speaker 4: what I read online, it sounds like the Post Office
- 7:34Speaker 4: searches media mail packages to prevent people from sending anything
- 7:38Speaker 4: they want on the cheap and in fact, Amy noticed
- 7:41Speaker 4: that the package had been taped up as though it
- 7:43Speaker 4: had been resealed en route. Maybe Jordan's package and the
- 7:48Speaker 4: package with the photos were both searched and then accidentally swapped.
- 7:55Speaker 4: To test this theory, I call the Postal Inspection Service.
- 7:59Speaker 4: It turns out out the post Office as a whole
- 8:01Speaker 4: department of inspectors.
- 8:03Speaker 1: Are you sort of like the James Bond of the
- 8:05Speaker 1: mail service?
- 8:06Speaker 5: Actually, it's funny you mentioned that my badge number was
- 8:09Speaker 5: double O seven.
- 8:11Speaker 4: No really, really, his name is me Halco, Dan Mihalko.
- 8:23Speaker 4: He's a US Postal inspector. And what does he inspect?
- 8:27Speaker 5: Postal crimes? Theft of mail, mail fraud, prohibited items in
- 8:31Speaker 5: the mail such as bombs, narcotics, anthrax, attacks, pornography.
- 8:40Speaker 1: I put my theory to Dan.
- 8:42Speaker 4: Might the Postal Inspection Service have opened and examined Jordan's package?
- 8:46Speaker 5: No, No, we don't do anything like that. The only
- 8:49Speaker 5: time would ever inspect mail is if we had a
- 8:52Speaker 5: search warrant so that we can't just open up mail. Huh,
- 8:56Speaker 5: nobody in a postal service has that.
- 8:58Speaker 4: Authority, Dan says, USPS investigators don't inspect packages without probable cause.
- 9:06Speaker 5: Here's what it sounds like may have happened.
- 9:10Speaker 4: So Dan guesses that somewhere along the way, Jordan's package
- 9:14Speaker 4: got damaged and the.
- 9:15Speaker 1: Book fell out.
- 9:16Speaker 4: Another package carrying the bundle of photos could have also
- 9:20Speaker 4: broken open. A postal worker might have seen the loose
- 9:23Speaker 4: bundle of photos, thought they belonged to Jordan's envelope, and
- 9:27Speaker 4: accidentally switched the packaging. And here's where that switch might
- 9:31Speaker 4: have occurred.
- 9:32Speaker 5: It used to be commonly referred to as a dead
- 9:35Speaker 5: letter office, but now it's I think it's Mail Recovery Center.
- 9:40Speaker 4: The Mail Recovery Center, or MRC, is located in Atlanta, Georgia.
- 9:45Speaker 4: It's where all undeliverable mail winds up. Some of the
- 9:49Speaker 4: stuff they receive is truly strange. An alligator skull still
- 9:53Speaker 4: covered in flesh cremation boxes Tom Nissalke's nineteen seventy one
- 9:58Speaker 4: NBA championship, which had been stolen from him twelve years before,
- 10:02Speaker 4: showing up at the MRC. I don't know who Tom
- 10:05Speaker 4: Desalk is, but listeners might. The MRC is also one
- 10:10Speaker 4: of the few places where postal workers are actually allowed
- 10:13Speaker 4: to open mail to help them look for clues as
- 10:16Speaker 4: to where the items or letters belong. Dan says that
- 10:19Speaker 4: it's the job in part of the MRC employees to
- 10:23Speaker 4: make their best guess about what belongs with what and
- 10:25Speaker 4: send it on its way.
- 10:27Speaker 5: They have to try to put pieces together. You know,
- 10:30Speaker 5: they're kind of sluice in their own way.
- 10:34Speaker 4: In their own way, don't condescend to the MRC agent Mihalko.
- 10:41Speaker 1: If Dan is right, the.
- 10:42Speaker 4: Original package, the photos came in with the original address
- 10:46Speaker 4: might still be sitting somewhere at the MRC. So I
- 10:49Speaker 4: phone up the person in charge.
- 10:51Speaker 5: To ask, this is a manager.
- 10:56Speaker 4: Lionel snow, Oh high, Lionel, my name is Stevie Lane
- 10:59Speaker 4: and I'm a radio journalist. Do you have a moment
- 11:02Speaker 4: so I can tell you why I'm calling?
- 11:06Speaker 3: Uh?
- 11:07Speaker 7: Not really, I mean I don't have a lot of
- 11:09Speaker 7: conversation time to falup with customers.
- 11:17Speaker 4: Nevertheless, I tell him about the mix up.
- 11:20Speaker 7: Anything could have happened, Anything could have happened.
- 11:22Speaker 8: I mean, I can tell you.
- 11:23Speaker 4: Lionel tells me that, contrary to Dan Mihalko's theory, Jordan's
- 11:27Speaker 4: package likely never made it to the MRC. If it had,
- 11:31Speaker 4: it would probably have a special stamp on it, which
- 11:34Speaker 4: Jordan's package doesn't. I ask if he has any other guesses,
- 11:38Speaker 4: but he just keeps sweeping out his favorite phrase.
- 11:41Speaker 6: Anything could have happened, Anything could have happened. I can
- 11:44Speaker 6: make an educated guess or or not.
- 11:46Speaker 1: When I press, the answer is or not.
- 11:50Speaker 7: Anything could have happened.
- 11:55Speaker 4: Jordan had likened the mail system to avoid into which
- 11:59Speaker 4: we send stuff and from which that stuff emerges. But
- 12:02Speaker 4: it appears it's also a void into which I send
- 12:05Speaker 4: my questions and from which nothing emerges. Over a number
- 12:09Speaker 4: of weeks, I reach out to more people at the USPS,
- 12:13Speaker 4: in the Communications Department, the Historian's office, even the Postal Museum.
- 12:18Speaker 3: It is a mystery.
- 12:19Speaker 5: I can't really guess.
- 12:20Speaker 9: You have one hundred and sixty million addresses in the US.
- 12:24Speaker 6: It could have come from any one of them.
- 12:26Speaker 1: Nobody is able to help.
- 12:32Speaker 4: I've hit a dead end with the post Office, so
- 12:35Speaker 4: I turn to the only other information that I have,
- 12:38Speaker 4: the photos themselves. Is there a way to identify the
- 12:42Speaker 4: people in these photographs? There's a photo of someone's pet cat,
- 12:46Speaker 4: but it doesn't have a collar.
- 12:48Speaker 1: With a tag.
- 12:49Speaker 4: There's a graduation, but it doesn't show the name of
- 12:51Speaker 4: the school. There's one photo of a man sitting in
- 12:55Speaker 4: a restaurant pulling up a signed headshot of what looks
- 12:58Speaker 4: like a younger version of himself. The headshot is signed
- 13:02Speaker 4: doctor Pedro something MD, but after hours of photoshop sharpening,
- 13:07Speaker 4: I still can't read what that something is. For every photo,
- 13:12Speaker 4: I'm just one small piece of information away from cracking
- 13:16Speaker 4: the case. Every photo except for one. The photo is
- 13:23Speaker 4: the oldest in the bunch, a creased and faded polaroid.
- 13:27Speaker 4: In it, a man crouches in the grass supporting a
- 13:30Speaker 4: baby in plaid overalls, barely old enough to walk. The
- 13:34Speaker 4: baby is looking down at a dog rolling over on
- 13:37Speaker 4: its back playfully while the man pets its stomach. No
- 13:41Speaker 4: one is aware of the camera. It seems to be
- 13:44Speaker 4: capturing a private moment. And when you flip the photo
- 13:48Speaker 4: over there's something written on the back Dalln Kelly and Queenye.
- 13:53Speaker 4: It says, in all caps at grandparents Coxes Kelly nine
- 13:59Speaker 4: and a half months Dallen Kelly and Queenee grandparents Coxes.
- 14:27Speaker 4: After googling around, I find a number for a Dallon
- 14:30Speaker 4: Cox in California.
- 14:35Speaker 1: Hello, Hi, is this Jalon I'd called a few days
- 14:40Speaker 1: before and left a message.
- 14:42Speaker 9: I'm just really curious what this is all about. Honestly,
- 14:45Speaker 9: I have no idea how to be involved in anything
- 14:49Speaker 9: that you would be looking into.
- 14:51Speaker 4: So I explain about the package of photos Amy received,
- 14:55Speaker 4: about one in particular of a man with a child
- 14:58Speaker 4: and a dog with a inscription on the back, and
- 15:02Speaker 4: it says Dallan, Kelly and queenye At grandparents Coxes Kelly
- 15:08Speaker 4: nine and a half months.
- 15:11Speaker 3: Definitely, that's crazy.
- 15:13Speaker 6: Yeah, that's crazy.
- 15:13Speaker 5: That would be my dad.
- 15:14Speaker 9: Yeah, huh, yeah, it sounds like it might be of
- 15:18Speaker 9: my dad and my sister Kelly.
- 15:20Speaker 1: Dallan's dad is Dalan Senior.
- 15:23Speaker 4: Dallan suggests I give him a call to see if
- 15:26Speaker 4: the photo belongs to him.
- 15:30Speaker 5: Hello.
- 15:31Speaker 4: I tell Dalan Senior all about the photo of him
- 15:34Speaker 4: and his daughter Kelly. Then I texted over to him,
- 15:38Speaker 4: all right, here it comes.
- 15:42Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm a beet daughter. Wow.
- 15:46Speaker 8: That would have been from nineteen sixty seven, probably sixty eight.
- 15:51Speaker 7: She'd have been about nine months old, I would say
- 15:53Speaker 7: at that time obviously is standing up a little bit,
- 15:56Speaker 7: but she walked at early age like that, So yeah,
- 16:00Speaker 7: that's really something.
- 16:02Speaker 8: No, I don't have that picture in my collection. In fact,
- 16:04Speaker 8: I don't recall ever having seen it before. Kelly was
- 16:09Speaker 8: born in sixty seven, in June of sixty seven, and
- 16:12Speaker 8: she actually she passed away in March of last year.
- 16:21Speaker 4: Kelly died on March thirtieth, twenty twenty one. The package
- 16:25Speaker 4: with Kelly's photo was postmarked April seventh, twenty twenty one,
- 16:31Speaker 4: just one week after she died, so.
- 16:33Speaker 8: That just makes it really strange.
- 16:39Speaker 4: Kelly died unexpectedly of heart failure at the age of
- 16:42Speaker 4: fifty three.
- 16:43Speaker 1: It was a shock to her family.
- 16:46Speaker 5: Everybody loved her laugh.
- 16:47Speaker 9: When she laughed, it was just really unique, an enthusiastic laugh,
- 16:53Speaker 9: you know. I remember taking her with me to like
- 17:01Speaker 9: one weekend and she learned the water ski and she
- 17:04Speaker 9: was having a ball. My dad used to take Kelly
- 17:11Speaker 9: at that age, when she was about a year old,
- 17:14Speaker 9: down to the lake and they would feed the ducks.
- 17:17Speaker 9: He'd take breadcrumbs and they'd throw them to the ducks,
- 17:19Speaker 9: and she got so excited to do that.
- 17:21Speaker 3: That was her favorite thing to do.
- 17:35Speaker 4: Dyllan Senior doesn't recognize the handwriting on the back of
- 17:38Speaker 4: the photograph, but he wonders if it belongs to Kelly's mother,
- 17:42Speaker 4: his ex wife, Betty. Betty had been sick and unable
- 17:46Speaker 4: to make it to Kelly's funeral. Maybe she put it
- 17:48Speaker 4: in the mail, hoping it would arrive for the service.
- 17:52Speaker 4: When I phoned Betty, she doesn't remember the photo, but
- 17:55Speaker 4: she tells me that she did indeed mail a package
- 17:57Speaker 4: of photos to her granddaughter, Devin. Devin is Kelly's daughter.
- 18:06Speaker 3: This is Devin.
- 18:07Speaker 1: So I called.
- 18:08Speaker 4: Devan to see if I ended up with the photos
- 18:11Speaker 4: that her grandma tried to send her.
- 18:13Speaker 3: No, I did get a package of photos from my grandmother.
- 18:18Speaker 1: Huh.
- 18:19Speaker 4: Devin got the photos from Betty in a package that
- 18:22Speaker 4: was firmly sealed, and the photo of Kelly and Dallen
- 18:26Speaker 4: that one wasn't in there. Devin says she's never seen
- 18:29Speaker 4: it before. As for the rest of the photographs Amy received.
- 18:34Speaker 3: I don't recognize any of the people, none of them.
- 18:38Speaker 1: Huh.
- 18:39Speaker 3: No.
- 18:41Speaker 4: Dallan Junior, Dalan Senior, and Betty all said the same
- 18:44Speaker 4: thing when I sent them the photos. Somehow, then it
- 18:48Speaker 4: seems this photograph, along its journey through the mail, wound
- 18:52Speaker 4: up with forty three other images of other random families.
- 18:56Speaker 4: Devin can't tell me anything about those other families, but
- 19:00Speaker 4: she does tell me about her own. Her mom, Kelly,
- 19:04Speaker 4: got pregnant with her when she was in college. Kelly
- 19:07Speaker 4: wasn't prepared to take care of a child, and soon
- 19:09Speaker 4: after Devan was born, Dallan Senior, Devin's grandfather, took Devon
- 19:14Speaker 4: in and raised her as his daughter.
- 19:17Speaker 3: I know that my mom had mental health issues, and
- 19:23Speaker 3: it took over my mom's life in many ways. There
- 19:27Speaker 3: were many instances in my mom's life where she didn't
- 19:31Speaker 3: have the power to take care of me. And there
- 19:35Speaker 3: were many years that passed by and I had nothing
- 19:39Speaker 3: to do with my mom, Like I didn't know where
- 19:41Speaker 3: she was. I didn't hear from her. I was unsure
- 19:46Speaker 3: if she was even alive. So I've had a hard
- 19:50Speaker 3: time growing up believing that my mom loved me.
- 20:01Speaker 4: But Devin tells me in the last seven or eight
- 20:03Speaker 4: years before her mom's death, that changed. Devin was in
- 20:08Speaker 4: her mid twenties, and without explanation, seemingly overnight, Kelly started
- 20:13Speaker 4: reaching out more. She would come over to help Devin
- 20:16Speaker 4: with projects around the house, like painting cabinets. The two
- 20:20Speaker 4: of them spent hours sitting together on the couch, playing Zelda, and.
- 20:24Speaker 3: I felt like I had my mom. I finally had
- 20:28Speaker 3: my mom. I was an adult, but at least I
- 20:31Speaker 3: had my mom. Two weeks before she passed, my mom
- 20:42Speaker 3: just out of the blue said do you want to
- 20:43Speaker 3: go out and go do something together? And I was like,
- 20:46Speaker 3: I don't know where do you want to go? And
- 20:49Speaker 3: she's like, what about that place that has mini golf
- 20:52Speaker 3: and go carts? And I was like, okay, then let's go.
- 20:56Speaker 3: And I hang on to that moment. Somehow, I feel
- 21:05Speaker 3: like she knew that she wasn't going to be around
- 21:08Speaker 3: for very long, and she was trying to spend more
- 21:12Speaker 3: time with me and trying to do things with me.
- 21:17Speaker 4: As for the photograph and the strange circumstances of its appearance,
- 21:22Speaker 4: I don't.
- 21:22Speaker 3: Feel like it's weird. I just think that it fits
- 21:28Speaker 3: my mom's personality to do something like that.
- 21:32Speaker 1: How do you mean it fits her personality to do
- 21:34Speaker 1: something like.
- 21:34Speaker 3: She believed that there's something beyond death. And I've never
- 21:41Speaker 3: believed in ghosts or anything or anything after you passed,
- 21:47Speaker 3: but if there is something there, my mom would definitely
- 21:51Speaker 3: do something like this.
- 21:53Speaker 1: See you think that this is almost like a missive
- 21:57Speaker 1: from your mom.
- 21:58Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that's possible, and I feel like this
- 22:02Speaker 3: is her trying to say I'm still here.
- 22:12Speaker 4: In Jordan's book, she writes that in thin places quote
- 22:17Speaker 4: invisible things like music or love or dead people might
- 22:21Speaker 4: become visible, or if they don't become visible, they become
- 22:25Speaker 4: so present and tangible that it doesn't matter.
- 22:30Speaker 1: Like Devon, I'm not.
- 22:31Speaker 4: One to believe in ghosts, Yet after talking with everyone,
- 22:35Speaker 4: I still don't know where the photo of Kelly came from.
- 22:39Speaker 4: No one in Kelly's family can account for it, so
- 22:42Speaker 4: after months of searching, the origins of this photo are
- 22:45Speaker 4: still a mystery. But in what I see as a
- 22:49Speaker 4: series of unexplainable events that began with Jordan sending a
- 22:53Speaker 4: book and ended up here, Devin sees her mother, and
- 22:58Speaker 4: it's precisely the unlikeliness of the that she points to
- 23:01Speaker 4: as proof.
- 23:03Speaker 3: I just think, if you look at all of the
- 23:05Speaker 3: little pieces of how this happened, not just anybody would
- 23:10Speaker 3: have reached out and tried to find the owner of
- 23:12Speaker 3: a photo, I think it would have been tossed in
- 23:15Speaker 3: the trash or pushed aside.
- 23:18Speaker 5: I feel like.
- 23:21Speaker 3: It's like a treasure.
- 23:22Speaker 1: From my mom.
- 23:24Speaker 3: That's how I feel huh, like my mom placed it
- 23:28Speaker 3: there on purpose and got it into the right hands
- 23:31Speaker 3: that would reach out to me.
- 23:35Speaker 4: I'd been thinking of this as a story about male
- 23:37Speaker 4: going to the wrong place, but listening to Devn, I
- 23:41Speaker 4: wonder if it's actually a story about it going to
- 23:43Speaker 4: the right one to Amy. And yet because the photo
- 23:48Speaker 4: wound up in Amy's hands, Devin didn't get it for
- 23:51Speaker 4: an entire year after Kelly's death. If Kelly wanted Devin
- 23:56Speaker 4: to have the photo, why deliver it a year late?
- 24:00Speaker 1: Why?
- 24:00Speaker 5: Now?
- 24:02Speaker 3: There have been times where I've really needed somebody to
- 24:05Speaker 3: be in my house with me, and out of everybody
- 24:09Speaker 3: in my family and out of all of my friends,
- 24:13Speaker 3: my mom would drop anything to come and support me.
- 24:20Speaker 3: And when she passed, I didn't have that safety net anymore.
- 24:26Speaker 10: I had trouble at my job and I had to
- 24:29Speaker 10: take extra time off. But if she's still here, that
- 24:36Speaker 10: makes a difference.
- 24:41Speaker 3: It's not easy losing a mom, so having this feeling
- 24:47Speaker 3: that she's still here and she's still with me is
- 24:52Speaker 3: is amazing.
- 24:58Speaker 4: Right after a loss, there are a lot of people
- 25:00Speaker 4: to lean on, but as time passes and people return
- 25:04Speaker 4: to their lives, you begin to feel that loss in
- 25:07Speaker 4: a new way. Houses get cleaned out, clothes get donated,
- 25:12Speaker 4: and all evidence of the person fades away with the photo.
- 25:17Speaker 4: Though Kelly has come back to Devon a year late,
- 25:22Speaker 4: but perhaps right on time. Devin's grandfather, Dallan Senior, is
- 25:32Speaker 4: turning seventy five soon. Devon told me that they're throwing
- 25:36Speaker 4: him a big party. She's been working on his birthday
- 25:39Speaker 4: present for months, a new family photo album, and along
- 25:44Speaker 4: with all the photographs she's collected, she wants to include
- 25:47Speaker 4: this one safe among the other smiling faces of Kelly's
- 25:52Speaker 4: family members, where surely it won't be lost again. Now
- 26:40Speaker 4: that the.
- 26:41Speaker 5: Fern atures rip turned into its good will.
- 26:45Speaker 3: Home, now that the last month's rant is skiming with
- 26:53Speaker 3: the damage to post, take this moment to dessert.
- 27:00Speaker 1: If we mentioned if we trash Feld for.
- 27:09Speaker 6: Things as dan Lee.
- 27:13Speaker 3: Zero.
- 27:16Speaker 4: This episode of Heavyweight was produced by me Stevie Lane,
- 27:19Speaker 4: along with Jonathan Goldstein, Phoebe Flanagan, and Mohemi mcgouger. Our
- 27:23Speaker 4: Senior producer is Khaleila Holt. Special thanks to Alex Bloomberg,
- 27:27Speaker 4: mime O'Donnell, Laurence Silverman, Maureene Taylor, Estelle Ivory and all
- 27:31Speaker 4: The Incredibly Patient People over at the USPS editorial guidance
- 27:35Speaker 4: from Emily Condon. Bobby Lord mixed the episode with original
- 27:39Speaker 4: music by Christine Fellows, John K. Sampson, Blue Dot Sessions,
- 27:42Speaker 4: John Jacoby, and Bobby Lord. Additional music credits can be
- 27:45Speaker 4: found on our website gimlimedia dot com slash Heavyweight. Our
- 27:49Speaker 4: theme song is by The Weaker Thens, courtesy of Epitaph Records.
- 27:53Speaker 1: Amy has just written a new.
- 27:54Speaker 4: Book, Artificial, a graphic memoir about her father's efforts to
- 27:58Speaker 4: preserve her late grandfather's life identity using AI technology. You
- 28:02Speaker 4: can find it at your local bookstore. Heavyweight is a
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- 28:20Speaker 1: Drop, and one will drop next week.
- 28:41Speaker 5: Hello Stevie's dad speaking.
- 28:44Speaker 3: Oh that was nice, okay, great Estelle, Thank you so much.
- 28:47Speaker 3: What is your school about anyway,