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Kids Online Safety, Club Penguin's Moderation Playbook, and Why Roblox Is the New Console — with Chris Heatherly (Part 2) · Kids Media Club Podcast

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  like
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  BLE,
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  or
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  kidsmediaclubpodcast.com.
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  Our
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  conversation
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  with
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  Chris
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  Heatherly,
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  one
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  of
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  the
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  key
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  Disney
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  execs
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  that
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  oversaw
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  Club
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  Penguin,
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  was
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  so
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  dense
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  that
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  we
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  opted
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  to
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  split
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  it
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  into
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  two
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  parts.
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  We
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  really
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  enjoyed
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  this
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  one
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  and
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  there
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  was
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  so
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  much
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  good
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  conversation
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  flowing.
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  This
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  second
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  half
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  talks
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  a
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  bit
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  more
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  broadly
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  about
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  safety
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  and
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  kids
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  online,
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  which
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  is
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  a
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  really
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  hot
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  topic
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  at
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  the
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  moment.
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  And
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  Chris
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  has
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  some
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  really
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  firm
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  views
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  on
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  it.
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  We
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  hope
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  you
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  enjoy.
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  I
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  don't,
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  because
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  I'd
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  love
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  to
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  talk
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  a
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  bit
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  about
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  the
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  safety
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  element
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  because
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  I
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  feel
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  like
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  that's
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  something
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  that
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  is
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  still
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  unsolved
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  20
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  years
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  later.
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  Right,
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  so
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  what
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  were
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  you
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  guys
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  doing?
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  Obviously
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  there
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  was
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  extensive
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  in
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  person
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  moderation,
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  chat
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  filters.
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  I
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  mean,
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  is
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  it
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  still
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  all
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  the
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  same
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  things
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  that
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  we
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  know
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  today
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  or
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  why
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  do
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  you
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  think
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  it
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  worked
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  on
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  Club
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  Penguin?
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  Well,
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  I
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  mean
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  we
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  had
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  all
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  the
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  same
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  problems
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  that
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  Roblox
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  has,
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  right?
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  I
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  mean,
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  you
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  know,
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  there
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  were
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  constantly
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  child
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  predators
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  trying
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  to
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  get
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  access
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  to
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  kids.
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  There
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  were,
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  we
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  had,
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  you
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  know,
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  racist
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  penguins
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  that
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  were,
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  you
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  know,
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  would,
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  you
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  know,
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  change
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  their,
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  like
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  they
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  would
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  decide
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  their
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  color
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  was
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  going
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  to
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  be
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  red
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  and
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  then
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  they
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  would
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  go
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  around
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  and
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  they
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  would
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  say
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  to
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  all
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  the
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  color,
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  all
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  the
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  other
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  kids
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  in
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  the
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  room,
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  you're
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  green,
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  you
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  need
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  to
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  be
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  red.
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  Change,
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  change
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  to
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  red
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  or
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  get
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  out
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  of
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  here.
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  You
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  know.
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  And
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  you
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  know,
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  there
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  were,
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  there,
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  there
• 1:46
  were
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  all
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  kinds
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  of,
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  you
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  know,
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  whenever
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  you
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  create
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  a
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  platform,
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  especially
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  for
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  young
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  people,
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  you
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  know,
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  bad
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  people
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  are
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  going
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  to
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  try
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  to
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  come
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  into
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  that
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  space
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  and
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  it's
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  a
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  forever
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  game
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  of
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  whack
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  a
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  mole.
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  And
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  so
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  I
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  feel,
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  I
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  have
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  a
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  lot
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  of,
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  I've
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  been
• 2:02
  supportive
• 2:03
  of
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  Dave
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  and
• 2:04
  Roblox
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  because
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  I
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  think
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  they
• 2:06
  get
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  unfairly
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  maligned
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  and
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  I
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  just,
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  because
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  I
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  know
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  how
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  hard
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  it
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  is.
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  And
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  you
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  know,
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  they've
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  got
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  far
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  better
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  technology
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  than
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  I
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  had
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  available
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  at
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  that
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  time.
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  And
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  a
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  lot
• 2:19
  of
• 2:19
  what
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  we
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  did
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  was
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  pretty,
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  I
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  mean
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  the
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  things
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  that,
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  you
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  know,
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  in
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  some
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  ways
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  it's
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  like
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  the,
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  the
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  really
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  brutal
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  tools
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  were,
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  are,
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  are
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  the
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  most
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  effective.
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  Right?
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  So
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  like
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  one
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  was,
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  you
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  know,
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  we
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  just
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  filtered,
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  we
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  just
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  heavily
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  censored
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  speech
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  in
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  Club
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  Penguin.
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  And
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  you
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  know,
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  that's
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  something
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  that,
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  as
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  a
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  more
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  libertarian
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  minded
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  person
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  when
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  it
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  comes
• 2:41
  to,
• 2:42
  you
• 2:42
  know,
• 2:42
  my
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  own
• 2:43
  communications
• 2:43
  as
• 2:44
  an,
• 2:44
  on,
• 2:44
  on
• 2:44
  adult
• 2:45
  social
• 2:45
  media,
• 2:46
  I'm
• 2:46
  very
• 2:46
  concerned
• 2:47
  about
• 2:47
  censorship
• 2:49
  and,
• 2:49
  but,
• 2:50
  but
• 2:50
  I
• 2:51
  think
• 2:51
  you
• 2:51
  have
• 2:51
  to
• 2:51
  do
• 2:52
  that
• 2:52
  in
• 2:52
  a
• 2:52
  kid
• 2:53
  space,
• 2:53
  right?
• 2:54
  And
• 2:54
  I
• 2:55
  draw
• 2:55
  a
• 2:55
  distinction
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  between
• 2:56
  adults
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  and
• 2:57
  kids.
• 2:57
  You
• 2:58
  know,
• 3:00
  you
• 3:01
  know,
• 3:01
  we,
• 3:02
  so
• 3:02
  a
• 3:02
  lot
• 3:03
  we
• 3:03
  heavily
• 3:03
  filtered,
• 3:04
  right?
• 3:05
  We
• 3:06
  had
• 3:06
  what
• 3:06
  was
• 3:06
  called
• 3:07
  fake
• 3:07
  sin,
• 3:07
  which
• 3:07
  was
• 3:08
  probably
• 3:08
  one
• 3:08
  of
• 3:08
  the
• 3:08
  most
• 3:08
  effective
• 3:09
  things,
• 3:09
  which
• 3:09
  is
• 3:10
  that
• 3:10
  you
• 3:11
  could
• 3:11
  post,
• 3:12
  you
• 3:13
  could,
• 3:13
  you
• 3:13
  could
• 3:13
  say
• 3:14
  if
• 3:14
  it
• 3:15
  was
• 3:15
  really
• 3:15
  bad,
• 3:15
  like
• 3:16
  you
• 3:16
  dropped
• 3:16
  a,
• 3:17
  like
• 3:17
  a
• 3:17
  curse
• 3:17
  word
• 3:18
  or
• 3:18
  a,
• 3:18
  like
• 3:19
  a,
• 3:19
  like
• 3:19
  a
• 3:19
  known
• 3:20
  racist
• 3:20
  word.
• 3:20
  Like
• 3:21
  if
• 3:21
  it
• 3:21
  was
• 3:21
  like,
• 3:21
  let's
• 3:22
  say
• 3:23
  like,
• 3:23
  you
• 3:24
  know,
• 3:24
  90
• 3:24
  bad,
• 3:25
  you
• 3:25
  would
• 3:26
  just
• 3:26
  get
• 3:26
  banned.
• 3:27
  And
• 3:28
  that
• 3:28
  was
• 3:28
  a
• 3:28
  very
• 3:29
  effective
• 3:29
  tool
• 3:30
  because
• 3:30
  kids
• 3:30
  didn't
• 3:30
  want
• 3:30
  to
• 3:31
  get
• 3:31
  banned,
• 3:31
  right?
• 3:31
  And
• 3:31
  still
• 3:32
  one
• 3:32
  of
• 3:32
  the
• 3:32
  memes
• 3:32
  around
• 3:32
  colored
• 3:33
  penguin
• 3:33
  is,
• 3:34
  you
• 3:34
  know,
• 3:34
  oh,
• 3:34
  I
• 3:34
  got
• 3:35
  banned,
• 3:35
  right?
• 3:36
  It
• 3:36
  was
• 3:36
  kind
• 3:36
  of
• 3:37
  became,
• 3:37
  became
• 3:38
  a
• 3:38
  joke.
• 3:39
  But,
• 3:40
  but
• 3:41
  we,
• 3:41
  but
• 3:42
  fake
• 3:42
  sin
• 3:43
  was
• 3:43
  if
• 3:43
  it
• 3:43
  was
• 3:45
  sort
• 3:45
  of
• 3:45
  like,
• 3:46
  maybe
• 3:46
  it's
• 3:46
  good,
• 3:46
  maybe
• 3:47
  it's
• 3:47
  bad,
• 3:47
  but
• 3:47
  it's
• 3:48
  probably
• 3:48
  iffy,
• 3:49
  let's
• 3:49
  just
• 3:50
  err
• 3:50
  on
• 3:50
  the
• 3:50
  side
• 3:50
  of
• 3:50
  caution.
• 3:52
  We
• 3:52
  would
• 3:52
  let
• 3:53
  you
• 3:53
  type
• 3:53
  it
• 3:53
  and
• 3:54
  it
• 3:54
  would
• 3:54
  appear
• 3:54
  on
• 3:54
  your
• 3:55
  screen,
• 3:55
  but
• 3:55
  it
• 3:55
  didn't
• 3:56
  go
• 3:56
  out
• 3:56
  to
• 3:57
  other
• 3:57
  people.
• 3:58
  And
• 3:58
  that,
• 3:59
  and,
• 3:59
  and
• 3:59
  what
• 3:59
  we
• 4:00
  found
• 4:00
  is
• 4:00
  if
• 4:01
  people
• 4:01
  weren't
• 4:01
  socially
• 4:02
  rewarded
• 4:02
  for
• 4:03
  trolling
• 4:03
  and
• 4:03
  for
• 4:04
  being,
• 4:05
  you
• 4:05
  know,
• 4:06
  like
• 4:06
  for
• 4:06
  bullying,
• 4:07
  then
• 4:07
  they
• 4:08
  just
• 4:08
  stopped
• 4:08
  doing
• 4:08
  it.
• 4:09
  And
• 4:09
  so,
• 4:10
  you
• 4:11
  know,
• 4:11
  banning,
• 4:13
  banning,
• 4:13
  fake
• 4:14
  send
• 4:14
  and,
• 4:15
  and,
• 4:16
  and,
• 4:17
  and
• 4:17
  filtering
• 4:18
  were
• 4:18
  really
• 4:18
  our
• 4:18
  three
• 4:19
  tools.
• 4:20
  And
• 4:20
  then,
• 4:21
  and
• 4:21
  then,
• 4:21
  you
• 4:21
  know,
• 4:22
  and
• 4:22
  then
• 4:22
  moderation,
• 4:23
  right?
• 4:23
  But
• 4:23
  moderation
• 4:24
  was,
• 4:25
  you
• 4:25
  know,
• 4:25
  we
• 4:25
  could
• 4:25
  only
• 4:26
  respond.
• 4:26
  There
• 4:27
  were
• 4:27
  so
• 4:27
  many
• 4:27
  like
• 4:27
  igloos
• 4:28
  and
• 4:28
  you
• 4:28
  know,
• 4:29
  we'd
• 4:29
  have
• 4:29
  people
• 4:29
  who,
• 4:30
  you
• 4:30
  know,
• 4:30
  there's
• 4:30
  a
• 4:31
  thing
• 4:31
  in
• 4:31
  games
• 4:31
  called
• 4:31
  TTP
• 4:32
  which
• 4:32
  is
• 4:32
  if
• 4:32
  you
• 4:33
  make
• 4:33
  a,
• 4:33
  which
• 4:33
  is
• 4:33
  time
• 4:34
  to
• 4:34
  penis.
• 4:35
  So
• 4:35
  if
• 4:35
  you
• 4:35
  make
• 4:35
  a,
• 4:37
  any
• 4:37
  kind
• 4:37
  of
• 4:37
  UGC
• 4:38
  tool
• 4:39
  that
• 4:39
  like
• 4:40
  somebody,
• 4:40
  one
• 4:40
  of
• 4:41
  the
• 4:41
  first
• 4:41
  things
• 4:41
  somebody
• 4:42
  is
• 4:42
  going
• 4:42
  to
• 4:42
  do
• 4:42
  with
• 4:43
  it
• 4:43
  is
• 4:44
  make
• 4:44
  some
• 4:44
  kind
• 4:44
  of
• 4:44
  phallic
• 4:45
  symbol
• 4:45
  or
• 4:46
  swastika.
• 4:47
  And
• 4:48
  we
• 4:48
  kids
• 4:48
  would
• 4:48
  constantly
• 4:49
  do
• 4:49
  that
• 4:49
  and
• 4:49
  it
• 4:50
  would
• 4:50
  get
• 4:50
  reported.
• 4:50
  And
• 4:51
  so,
• 4:51
  you
• 4:51
  know,
• 4:52
  when
• 4:52
  I
• 4:52
  see
• 4:52
  these
• 4:52
  reports
• 4:52
  on
• 4:53
  Roblox
• 4:53
  and
• 4:54
  it's
• 4:54
  like,
• 4:54
  you
• 4:54
  know,
• 4:55
  Chris
• 4:55
  Hansen
• 4:57
  goes
• 4:57
  online
• 4:57
  and
• 4:58
  finds
• 4:58
  salacious
• 4:59
  terrible
• 4:59
  content
• 5:00
  in
• 5:00
  Roblox.
• 5:01
  Oh
• 5:01
  my
• 5:01
  gosh.
• 5:01
  Like
• 5:02
  somebody
• 5:03
  made
• 5:03
  a
• 5:03
  Nazi
• 5:03
  game
• 5:04
  or
• 5:04
  something.
• 5:04
  Like
• 5:05
  what
• 5:05
  they're
• 5:05
  not
• 5:05
  telling
• 5:06
  you
• 5:06
  is,
• 5:07
  is
• 5:08
  maybe
• 5:09
  five
• 5:09
  people
• 5:10
  saw
• 5:10
  that
• 5:10
  before
• 5:11
  it
• 5:11
  got
• 5:11
  reported
• 5:12
  or
• 5:12
  caught.
• 5:13
  And
• 5:13
  then,
• 5:13
  and
• 5:14
  as
• 5:14
  soon
• 5:14
  as
• 5:14
  it
• 5:14
  got
• 5:14
  reported
• 5:15
  or
• 5:15
  caught,
• 5:15
  it
• 5:15
  got
• 5:16
  pulled
• 5:16
  down.
• 5:17
  So
• 5:17
  you
• 5:18
  know,
• 5:18
  you're
• 5:19
  asking
• 5:19
  for
• 5:20
  a
• 5:20
  level
• 5:20
  of
• 5:21
  like
• 5:21
  pre
• 5:21
  crime
• 5:22
  and
• 5:22
  pretty
• 5:23
  prescience
• 5:23
  that
• 5:24
  you
• 5:24
  know
• 5:25
  that,
• 5:26
  that
• 5:26
  that
• 5:26
  is
• 5:27
  impossible.
• 5:27
  Right?
• 5:28
  And,
• 5:29
  and
• 5:29
  I,
• 5:30
  part
• 5:30
  of
• 5:30
  what
• 5:31
  I
• 5:31
  here's,
• 5:32
  here's
• 5:32
  the
• 5:33
  real
• 5:33
  thing
• 5:33
  going
• 5:33
  on
• 5:33
  with
• 5:34
  the
• 5:34
  kids
• 5:34
  media
• 5:35
  conversation,
• 5:35
  to
• 5:35
  be
• 5:35
  honest,
• 5:36
  which
• 5:36
  is
• 5:37
  there
• 5:37
  is
• 5:37
  a
• 5:37
  group
• 5:37
  of
• 5:37
  People
• 5:38
  out
• 5:38
  there
• 5:39
  that
• 5:39
  are
• 5:39
  activists
• 5:40
  who
• 5:42
  want
• 5:43
  to
• 5:43
  censor
• 5:43
  the
• 5:44
  Internet,
• 5:44
  they
• 5:44
  have
• 5:44
  their
• 5:45
  own
• 5:45
  reasons
• 5:45
  for
• 5:46
  doing
• 5:46
  it.
• 5:46
  A
• 5:46
  lot
• 5:46
  of
• 5:47
  them
• 5:47
  are
• 5:47
  political
• 5:48
  or
• 5:48
  about
• 5:48
  control
• 5:50
  and
• 5:50
  they
• 5:50
  use
• 5:50
  these,
• 5:51
  this
• 5:51
  kid,
• 5:52
  this
• 5:52
  kid
• 5:53
  predator
• 5:54
  narrative
• 5:55
  to
• 5:56
  push
• 5:57
  stuff
• 5:57
  like
• 5:58
  online
• 5:58
  verification
• 5:59
  and
• 6:01
  a
• 6:01
  bunch
• 6:02
  of
• 6:02
  these
• 6:02
  laws
• 6:03
  that
• 6:04
  in
• 6:04
  the
• 6:04
  end
• 6:05
  probably
• 6:05
  are
• 6:05
  not
• 6:06
  going
• 6:06
  to
• 6:06
  do
• 6:06
  anything
• 6:06
  to
• 6:06
  keep
• 6:07
  kids
• 6:07
  safe,
• 6:08
  but
• 6:08
  are
• 6:08
  going
• 6:08
  to
• 6:08
  make,
• 6:09
  but
• 6:09
  are
• 6:09
  going
• 6:10
  to
• 6:10
  lead
• 6:10
  to
• 6:10
  a
• 6:11
  more
• 6:11
  Orwellian
• 6:12
  Internet
• 6:12
  for
• 6:12
  all
• 6:13
  of
• 6:13
  us.
• 6:13
  And
• 6:14
  I
• 6:14
  really
• 6:14
  despise
• 6:15
  that
• 6:15
  because
• 6:15
  they're
• 6:16
  not
• 6:16
  being
• 6:16
  honest
• 6:17
  about
• 6:17
  their
• 6:18
  aims.
• 6:18
  And
• 6:18
  some
• 6:19
  of
• 6:19
  them,
• 6:19
  and
• 6:19
  I've
• 6:19
  talked
• 6:19
  to
• 6:19
  some
• 6:20
  of
• 6:20
  these
• 6:20
  people
• 6:20
  because
• 6:20
  I
• 6:21
  know
• 6:21
  them
• 6:21
  from
• 6:21
  my
• 6:21
  days
• 6:21
  and
• 6:22
  some
• 6:22
  of
• 6:22
  them,
• 6:22
  and
• 6:23
  you
• 6:23
  know,
• 6:23
  some
• 6:24
  of
• 6:24
  them
• 6:24
  think
• 6:24
  they're
• 6:24
  doing
• 6:24
  the
• 6:25
  right
• 6:25
  thing,
• 6:25
  but
• 6:25
  they're
• 6:25
  just
• 6:25
  incredibly
• 6:26
  misguided.
• 6:27
  But
• 6:27
  a
• 6:27
  lot
• 6:27
  of
• 6:27
  them,
• 6:28
  if
• 6:28
  you
• 6:29
  press
• 6:29
  them
• 6:29
  will
• 6:29
  say,
• 6:30
  well
• 6:30
  actually
• 6:30
  we
• 6:30
  think
• 6:31
  everyone
• 6:31
  needs
• 6:31
  to
• 6:31
  live
• 6:32
  under
• 6:32
  this
• 6:32
  kind
• 6:32
  of
• 6:33
  club
• 6:33
  Penguin,
• 6:34
  you
• 6:34
  know,
• 6:34
  very
• 6:34
  draconian,
• 6:35
  you
• 6:35
  know,
• 6:36
  kind
• 6:36
  of,
• 6:37
  you
• 6:37
  know,
• 6:38
  regime.
• 6:38
  And
• 6:39
  my
• 6:39
  thing
• 6:39
  is
• 6:39
  like,
• 6:39
  look,
• 6:39
  what
• 6:40
  I
• 6:40
  think
• 6:40
  is
• 6:40
  appropriate
• 6:41
  for
• 6:41
  the
• 6:42
  world's
• 6:42
  largest
• 6:42
  playground
• 6:43
  is
• 6:43
  not
• 6:43
  what's
• 6:43
  appropriate
• 6:45
  for
• 6:45
  adults
• 6:46
  discussing
• 6:47
  the
• 6:47
  future
• 6:47
  of
• 6:47
  their
• 6:47
  country.
• 6:48
  Right.
• 6:48
  And
• 6:49
  so
• 6:50
  we
• 6:50
  have
• 6:50
  to
• 6:50
  allow
• 6:51
  for
• 6:51
  kind
• 6:51
  of
• 6:51
  different
• 6:51
  rules
• 6:52
  for
• 6:52
  different
• 6:52
  spaces
• 6:53
  and
• 6:53
  different
• 6:53
  audiences.
• 6:54
  And
• 6:55
  so
• 6:55
  I
• 6:55
  don't
• 6:56
  like
• 6:56
  how
• 6:56
  the
• 6:56
  conversation
• 6:57
  has
• 6:57
  been
• 6:57
  distorted
• 6:58
  that
• 6:58
  way.
• 6:58
  And
• 6:58
  I
• 6:58
  think
• 6:58
  that
• 6:59
  a
• 6:59
  lot
• 6:59
  of
• 6:59
  what's
• 6:59
  going
• 7:00
  on
• 7:00
  with
• 7:00
  Roblox
• 7:01
  is
• 7:02
  frankly
• 7:03
  those
• 7:03
  people
• 7:04
  who
• 7:04
  are
• 7:04
  trying
• 7:04
  to
• 7:05
  push
• 7:05
  the
• 7:05
  online
• 7:05
  verification
• 7:06
  thing
• 7:06
  like
• 7:06
  crazy
• 7:07
  right
• 7:07
  now,
• 7:07
  but
• 7:07
  it's
• 7:08
  not
• 7:08
  going
• 7:08
  to
• 7:08
  end
• 7:08
  with
• 7:08
  that
• 7:10
  because
• 7:10
  they
• 7:11
  want
• 7:11
  all
• 7:11
  kinds
• 7:11
  of
• 7:11
  controls
• 7:12
  on
• 7:12
  all
• 7:12
  kinds
• 7:12
  of
• 7:12
  things
• 7:12
  on
• 7:13
  the
• 7:13
  Internet.
• 7:14
  But,
• 7:14
  and
• 7:14
  it's,
• 7:15
  it's
• 7:15
  just
• 7:15
  a
• 7:15
  never
• 7:15
  ending
• 7:16
  list.
• 7:16
  And
• 7:17
  in
• 7:17
  the
• 7:17
  uk
• 7:17
  you're,
• 7:17
  you're
• 7:18
  seeing
• 7:18
  this,
• 7:18
  you
• 7:19
  know,
• 7:19
  all
• 7:19
  over
• 7:19
  the
• 7:19
  place,
• 7:21
  but,
• 7:21
  or
• 7:21
  it's
• 7:22
  short
• 7:22
  sellers
• 7:22
  who
• 7:23
  just
• 7:23
  want
• 7:23
  to
• 7:23
  short
• 7:23
  the
• 7:23
  stock.
• 7:24
  So
• 7:25
  I,
• 7:25
  I,
• 7:26
  I've
• 7:26
  looked
• 7:27
  into
• 7:27
  Roblox
• 7:27
  and
• 7:28
  look,
• 7:28
  I'm
• 7:28
  not
• 7:28
  an
• 7:28
  expert.
• 7:29
  I,
• 7:29
  I
• 7:29
  do
• 7:29
  know
• 7:30
  Dave,
• 7:30
  I've
• 7:30
  talked
• 7:30
  to
• 7:31
  him
• 7:32
  a
• 7:32
  little
• 7:32
  bit.
• 7:32
  But
• 7:33
  I,
• 7:34
  I
• 7:34
  like,
• 7:34
  I've
• 7:35
  researched
• 7:35
  what
• 7:35
  they
• 7:36
  do
• 7:36
  on
• 7:36
  the
• 7:36
  moderation
• 7:37
  side
• 7:37
  and
• 7:38
  I
• 7:38
  don't
• 7:39
  see
• 7:39
  any
• 7:39
  major
• 7:40
  holes
• 7:40
  that
• 7:40
  I'm
• 7:41
  like,
• 7:41
  oh,
• 7:41
  like
• 7:42
  you
• 7:42
  guys
• 7:42
  are
• 7:42
  obviously
• 7:43
  not
• 7:43
  doing
• 7:43
  that.
• 7:44
  Like,
• 7:45
  I
• 7:45
  think
• 7:45
  it's,
• 7:45
  it's
• 7:46
  more
• 7:46
  a
• 7:46
  case
• 7:46
  of
• 7:46
  like
• 7:47
  it's
• 7:47
  really,
• 7:47
  really
• 7:47
  hard
• 7:48
  and
• 7:48
  no
• 7:48
  one
• 7:48
  else
• 7:49
  is
• 7:49
  doing
• 7:49
  it
• 7:49
  at
• 7:49
  this
• 7:49
  scale.
• 7:50
  And
• 7:50
  frankly
• 7:51
  he's
• 7:51
  got
• 7:51
  a
• 7:51
  bigger
• 7:52
  social
• 7:52
  online
• 7:53
  audience
• 7:54
  than
• 7:54
  all
• 7:55
  games
• 7:55
  combined.
• 7:56
  He
• 7:56
  has
• 7:57
  CCU
• 7:57
  bigger
• 7:58
  than
• 7:58
  Steam.
• 7:59
  So
• 7:59
  he's
• 7:59
  dealing
• 8:00
  with
• 8:00
  a
• 8:00
  community
• 8:01
  at
• 8:01
  a
• 8:01
  scale
• 8:02
  of
• 8:02
  like
• 8:02
  a
• 8:02
  Facebook
• 8:03
  or
• 8:03
  Instagram
• 8:04
  or
• 8:04
  whatever
• 8:04
  that's
• 8:05
  never
• 8:05
  been
• 8:05
  seen
• 8:06
  in
• 8:06
  A
• 8:06
  game
• 8:06
  anywhere
• 8:07
  before.
• 8:07
  And
• 8:08
  people
• 8:08
  are
• 8:08
  trying
• 8:09
  to
• 8:09
  hold
• 8:09
  him
• 8:09
  to
• 8:10
  the
• 8:10
  perfect
• 8:10
  standard.
• 8:11
  And
• 8:11
  I
• 8:11
  think
• 8:11
  sometimes
• 8:12
  he
• 8:12
  gets
• 8:12
  grumpy
• 8:13
  in
• 8:13
  his
• 8:13
  public
• 8:13
  communications
• 8:14
  and
• 8:14
  you
• 8:14
  really
• 8:14
  can't.
• 8:16
  But
• 8:16
  you
• 8:16
  need
• 8:17
  to
• 8:17
  be
• 8:17
  transparent,
• 8:17
  I
• 8:18
  think.
• 8:18
  But,
• 8:19
  but
• 8:19
  I
• 8:20
  want
• 8:20
  to
• 8:20
  defend
• 8:21
  them
• 8:21
  because
• 8:22
  I
• 8:22
  feel
• 8:22
  like,
• 8:22
  I
• 8:23
  do
• 8:23
  feel
• 8:23
  like
• 8:24
  they
• 8:24
  try
• 8:25
  and
• 8:25
  they
• 8:25
  put
• 8:25
  a
• 8:25
  lot
• 8:26
  in
• 8:26
  place
• 8:26
  and
• 8:26
  frankly
• 8:26
  they
• 8:27
  have
• 8:27
  a
• 8:27
  lot
• 8:27
  more
• 8:27
  in
• 8:27
  place
• 8:27
  than
• 8:28
  a
• 8:28
  lot
• 8:28
  of
• 8:28
  other
• 8:28
  people
• 8:28
  on
• 8:28
  the
• 8:29
  Internet.
• 8:30
  And,
• 8:30
  and
• 8:30
  do
• 8:31
  you,
• 8:31
  do
• 8:31
  you.
• 8:31
  But
• 8:32
  do
• 8:32
  you
• 8:32
  think
• 8:32
  that
• 8:33
  in
• 8:33
  some
• 8:33
  ways
• 8:33
  that,
• 8:34
  so
• 8:34
  where
• 8:35
  they've
• 8:35
  succeeded
• 8:36
  in
• 8:36
  terms
• 8:36
  of
• 8:36
  their
• 8:37
  moderation
• 8:37
  and
• 8:38
  do
• 8:38
  you
• 8:38
  think
• 8:38
  that's
• 8:39
  partly
• 8:39
  come
• 8:39
  in
• 8:40
  response
• 8:40
  to
• 8:40
  pressure
• 8:43
  around
• 8:43
  kind
• 8:44
  of
• 8:45
  children
• 8:45
  on
• 8:45
  the
• 8:46
  Internet?
• 8:46
  And
• 8:46
  they
• 8:46
  kind
• 8:47
  of,
• 8:47
  that's
• 8:47
  become
• 8:47
  much
• 8:48
  more
• 8:48
  of
• 8:48
  an
• 8:48
  amplified
• 8:49
  conversation
• 8:50
  at
• 8:50
  the
• 8:51
  moment.
• 8:51
  So
• 8:51
  I
• 8:51
  kind
• 8:51
  of,
• 8:52
  I
• 8:52
  completely
• 8:52
  understand
• 8:53
  your
• 8:53
  point
• 8:54
  around
• 8:55
  maybe
• 8:55
  the
• 8:55
  thin
• 8:56
  end
• 8:56
  of
• 8:56
  the
• 8:56
  wedge
• 8:56
  aspect
• 8:57
  to
• 8:57
  it
• 8:58
  in
• 8:58
  terms
• 8:59
  of
• 9:00
  age
• 9:00
  verification.
• 9:01
  But,
• 9:01
  but
• 9:02
  I
• 9:02
  also
• 9:02
  feel
• 9:02
  like
• 9:03
  that
• 9:03
  it
• 9:03
  becomes
• 9:04
  much
• 9:04
  more
• 9:05
  a
• 9:05
  conversation
• 9:05
  now
• 9:06
  and
• 9:06
  I
• 9:06
  feel
• 9:06
  like
• 9:06
  that
• 9:06
  must
• 9:07
  have
• 9:07
  an
• 9:08
  impact
• 9:08
  on
• 9:09
  platforms
• 9:09
  like
• 9:09
  Roblox
• 9:10
  in
• 9:10
  terms
• 9:11
  of
• 9:12
  increasing
• 9:13
  some
• 9:13
  of
• 9:13
  those
• 9:14
  safeguards.
• 9:14
  I
• 9:15
  can't
• 9:15
  say
• 9:16
  really,
• 9:16
  to
• 9:16
  be
• 9:17
  honest.
• 9:17
  I
• 9:18
  think
• 9:18
  that,
• 9:19
  my
• 9:20
  impression
• 9:21
  is
• 9:21
  that
• 9:22
  they
• 9:22
  were
• 9:22
  doing
• 9:23
  a
• 9:23
  lot
• 9:24
  already
• 9:24
  and
• 9:24
  now
• 9:25
  they're,
• 9:25
  they
• 9:25
  weren't
• 9:26
  talking
• 9:26
  about
• 9:26
  it.
• 9:27
  And
• 9:27
  now.
• 9:28
  And
• 9:28
  I
• 9:28
  think
• 9:28
  that,
• 9:28
  and
• 9:29
  this
• 9:29
  was
• 9:29
  a
• 9:29
  problem
• 9:29
  that
• 9:29
  Disney,
• 9:30
  I
• 9:30
  think
• 9:31
  Disney.
• 9:31
  Look,
• 9:31
  we,
• 9:31
  we.
• 9:32
  There
• 9:32
  were
• 9:32
  bad
• 9:32
  articles
• 9:33
  about
• 9:33
  us
• 9:33
  too,
• 9:33
  right?
• 9:34
  People
• 9:34
  just
• 9:34
  don't
• 9:35
  remember
• 9:35
  that.
• 9:37
  But,
• 9:37
  and,
• 9:37
  and,
• 9:38
  and
• 9:38
  you
• 9:38
  know,
• 9:38
  hiding
• 9:38
  behind
• 9:39
  the
• 9:39
  Disney
• 9:39
  name
• 9:40
  is
• 9:40
  like,
• 9:40
  you
• 9:40
  know,
• 9:40
  there's
• 9:40
  a
• 9:41
  lot
• 9:41
  scare
• 9:41
  Disney.
• 9:42
  Do
• 9:42
  you
• 9:42
  think?
• 9:43
  What's
• 9:43
  that?
• 9:43
  And
• 9:44
  did,
• 9:44
  and
• 9:44
  did
• 9:45
  that
• 9:45
  scare
• 9:45
  Disney?
• 9:46
  Was
• 9:46
  that
• 9:46
  kind
• 9:46
  of
• 9:46
  one
• 9:47
  of
• 9:47
  the
• 9:47
  reasons
• 9:47
  that
• 9:47
  they
• 9:48
  might
• 9:48
  have
• 9:48
  ended
• 9:48
  up
• 9:48
  becoming
• 9:49
  a
• 9:49
  bit
• 9:49
  lukewarm
• 9:50
  in
• 9:50
  terms
• 9:50
  of
• 9:50
  their
• 9:50
  support
• 9:51
  of
• 9:51
  the
• 9:51
  platform?
• 9:51
  Well,
• 9:52
  no,
• 9:53
  no,
• 9:53
  it
• 9:53
  didn't
• 9:53
  scare
• 9:54
  them,
• 9:55
  but
• 9:56
  they
• 9:56
  started
• 9:57
  realizing
• 9:57
  it
• 9:57
  was
• 9:58
  like
• 9:58
  the
• 9:58
  theme
• 9:58
  park
• 9:58
  business
• 9:58
  where,
• 9:59
  you
• 9:59
  know
• 9:59
  what,
• 9:59
  they're
• 10:00
  there,
• 10:00
  there,
• 10:01
  there,
• 10:01
  there
• 10:01
  are,
• 10:02
  you
• 10:02
  know,
• 10:03
  there
• 10:03
  are
• 10:03
  pedophiles
• 10:03
  in,
• 10:04
  in
• 10:04
  Disneyland
• 10:04
  too,
• 10:06
  right.
• 10:06
  They
• 10:07
  never
• 10:07
  talk
• 10:07
  about
• 10:07
  it,
• 10:08
  but
• 10:09
  that
• 10:09
  whole
• 10:09
  place
• 10:09
  is
• 10:09
  low
• 10:10
  jacked
• 10:10
  with
• 10:10
  cameras
• 10:11
  and
• 10:11
  face
• 10:11
  recognition.
• 10:12
  And
• 10:13
  I
• 10:13
  mean,
• 10:13
  you
• 10:13
  know,
• 10:14
  they're,
• 10:14
  I
• 10:14
  mean,
• 10:14
  you
• 10:15
  know,
• 10:15
  like
• 10:16
  there's
• 10:16
  no
• 10:16
  more
• 10:16
  Orwellian
• 10:17
  place
• 10:17
  on
• 10:18
  Earth
• 10:18
  than
• 10:18
  Disneyland
• 10:19
  or
• 10:19
  Disney
• 10:19
  park,
• 10:20
  right?
• 10:20
  They
• 10:20
  have
• 10:20
  to
• 10:20
  do
• 10:20
  that
• 10:21
  to
• 10:21
  keep
• 10:21
  those
• 10:22
  kids
• 10:22
  safe.
• 10:22
  You
• 10:23
  know,
• 10:24
  and
• 10:24
  so
• 10:25
  it's,
• 10:25
  you
• 10:26
  know,
• 10:26
  I
• 10:26
  think
• 10:26
  that.
• 10:27
  But
• 10:27
  they
• 10:27
  don't
• 10:28
  talk
• 10:28
  about
• 10:28
  it,
• 10:28
  right.
• 10:28
  And
• 10:29
  so
• 10:29
  one
• 10:29
  thing
• 10:29
  that
• 10:29
  we
• 10:29
  did
• 10:29
  at
• 10:30
  Penguin
• 10:30
  is
• 10:30
  I
• 10:30
  did
• 10:30
  a,
• 10:31
  I
• 10:31
  did
• 10:31
  a
• 10:31
  summit
• 10:31
  one
• 10:32
  time
• 10:32
  where
• 10:33
  proactively,
• 10:34
  because
• 10:34
  we
• 10:34
  were
• 10:34
  proud
• 10:35
  of
• 10:35
  it
• 10:35
  and
• 10:35
  I
• 10:36
  was
• 10:36
  like,
• 10:36
  look,
• 10:36
  let's.
• 10:37
  This
• 10:38
  was
• 10:38
  during
• 10:38
  the
• 10:38
  whole
• 10:38
  COPA
• 10:39
  2
• 10:39
  debate,
• 10:40
  you
• 10:40
  know,
• 10:41
  and
• 10:41
  so
• 10:41
  I
• 10:42
  brought
• 10:42
  a
• 10:42
  bunch
• 10:42
  of
• 10:43
  kids,
• 10:43
  media
• 10:44
  journalists,
• 10:44
  you
• 10:45
  know,
• 10:45
  David
• 10:45
  Kleeman
• 10:46
  was
• 10:46
  one
• 10:46
  of
• 10:46
  them,
• 10:47
  you
• 10:47
  know,
• 10:47
  but
• 10:48
  a
• 10:48
  bunch
• 10:48
  of
• 10:48
  people
• 10:48
  like
• 10:48
  this
• 10:49
  up
• 10:49
  to
• 10:50
  Kelowna
• 10:51
  and
• 10:52
  we
• 10:52
  took
• 10:53
  them
• 10:53
  through
• 10:53
  like,
• 10:54
  you
• 10:54
  know,
• 10:54
  how
• 10:54
  we
• 10:55
  do
• 10:55
  it.
• 10:55
  They
• 10:55
  met
• 10:55
  with
• 10:55
  the
• 10:56
  moderators.
• 10:56
  Like,
• 10:57
  we
• 10:57
  really,
• 10:58
  you
• 10:58
  know,
• 10:58
  we,
• 10:58
  we
• 10:59
  took
• 10:59
  them
• 10:59
  through
• 10:59
  every
• 11:00
  aspect
• 11:00
  of
• 11:00
  how
• 11:00
  we
• 11:00
  do
• 11:01
  safety.
• 11:02
  And,
• 11:02
  and,
• 11:03
  and
• 11:03
  we
• 11:03
  were
• 11:03
  very
• 11:03
  honest
• 11:04
  about,
• 11:04
  look,
• 11:05
  we're
• 11:05
  like
• 11:05
  we're
• 11:06
  encountering
• 11:06
  this.
• 11:06
  I
• 11:06
  mean,
• 11:07
  man,
• 11:07
  I
• 11:07
  would
• 11:07
  get,
• 11:08
  I
• 11:08
  mean,
• 11:09
  I
• 11:09
  would
• 11:09
  get
• 11:10
  stories
• 11:11
  about
• 11:11
  some
• 11:11
  of
• 11:12
  these
• 11:12
  kids
• 11:12
  and
• 11:12
  how
• 11:12
  they
• 11:12
  were
• 11:13
  being
• 11:13
  abused
• 11:14
  or
• 11:14
  wanted
• 11:15
  to
• 11:15
  commit
• 11:15
  suicide
• 11:16
  or
• 11:16
  whatever
• 11:16
  that
• 11:16
  would
• 11:17
  curl
• 11:17
  your
• 11:17
  hair
• 11:18
  and,
• 11:18
  and,
• 11:19
  and
• 11:20
  I
• 11:20
  would
• 11:20
  have
• 11:20
  to
• 11:20
  get
• 11:21
  on
• 11:21
  the
• 11:21
  phone
• 11:21
  at
• 11:22
  Saturday
• 11:22
  night
• 11:22
  or
• 11:23
  Sunday
• 11:23
  night
• 11:23
  or,
• 11:24
  you
• 11:24
  know,
• 11:24
  whatever.
• 11:24
  My,
• 11:25
  my
• 11:25
  head
• 11:25
  lawyer
• 11:25
  would
• 11:25
  always
• 11:26
  say,
• 11:26
  you
• 11:26
  know,
• 11:26
  like,
• 11:27
  if
• 11:27
  we
• 11:27
  have
• 11:27
  any
• 11:28
  chance
• 11:28
  of
• 11:28
  going
• 11:28
  to
• 11:28
  heaven,
• 11:29
  it's
• 11:29
  because
• 11:29
  of
• 11:29
  the
• 11:29
  work
• 11:29
  we're
• 11:30
  doing
• 11:30
  right
• 11:30
  now.
• 11:30
  Right?
• 11:31
  It
• 11:31
  was
• 11:31
  like,
• 11:31
  you
• 11:32
  know,
• 11:32
  we
• 11:32
  would,
• 11:32
  we
• 11:33
  would,
• 11:33
  we
• 11:34
  would.
• 11:34
  Fortunately,
• 11:35
  Disney
• 11:35
  had,
• 11:36
  you
• 11:37
  know,
• 11:37
  ahead,
• 11:37
  a
• 11:38
  former
• 11:38
  FBI,
• 11:39
  you
• 11:39
  know,
• 11:39
  very
• 11:39
  senior
• 11:40
  guy
• 11:40
  running
• 11:40
  security.
• 11:41
  And
• 11:41
  we
• 11:42
  had
• 11:42
  great
• 11:42
  connections
• 11:43
  with
• 11:43
  law
• 11:43
  enforcement,
• 11:44
  especially
• 11:45
  because
• 11:45
  of
• 11:45
  the
• 11:45
  parks,
• 11:46
  because
• 11:46
  after
• 11:46
  9,
• 11:46
  11,
• 11:46
  they
• 11:47
  had
• 11:47
  to
• 11:47
  be
• 11:47
  really
• 11:47
  on
• 11:48
  top
• 11:48
  of
• 11:48
  terrorism.
• 11:49
  And
• 11:49
  so
• 11:49
  we
• 11:49
  were
• 11:50
  able
• 11:50
  to
• 11:50
  use
• 11:50
  that
• 11:51
  infrastructure
• 11:52
  to,
• 11:53
  you
• 11:53
  know,
• 11:54
  to
• 11:54
  save,
• 11:55
  legitimately
• 11:56
  save
• 11:56
  kids
• 11:56
  lives.
• 11:57
  But
• 11:58
  Disney
• 11:59
  didn't
• 11:59
  want
• 11:59
  to
• 11:59
  talk
• 11:59
  about
• 12:00
  that
• 12:00
  stuff.
• 12:00
  I
• 12:01
  did,
• 12:01
  right,
• 12:01
  because
• 12:02
  I
• 12:02
  thought
• 12:02
  it's
• 12:02
  like
• 12:03
  people
• 12:03
  need
• 12:03
  to
• 12:03
  understand
• 12:04
  that,
• 12:05
  that
• 12:05
  you
• 12:05
  know,
• 12:06
  what,
• 12:06
  the
• 12:06
  Internet
• 12:06
  isn't
• 12:07
  safe
• 12:07
  and,
• 12:08
  and,
• 12:08
  and
• 12:09
  Club
• 12:09
  Penguin
• 12:10
  is
• 12:10
  trying
• 12:10
  to
• 12:10
  be
• 12:10
  the
• 12:10
  safest
• 12:11
  place
• 12:11
  on
• 12:11
  the
• 12:11
  Internet.
• 12:12
  But
• 12:12
  that
• 12:12
  doesn't
• 12:12
  mean
• 12:13
  that
• 12:13
  we're
• 12:13
  ever
• 12:14
  100%
• 12:14
  safe.
• 12:15
  And
• 12:15
  a
• 12:15
  lot
• 12:15
  of
• 12:15
  what
• 12:16
  we
• 12:16
  tr
• 12:16
  in
• 12:16
  our
• 12:17
  advocacy
• 12:17
  and
• 12:17
  our
• 12:18
  social
• 12:18
  giving
• 12:19
  and
• 12:19
  other
• 12:19
  things
• 12:20
  was
• 12:20
  to
• 12:21
  do
• 12:22
  educational
• 12:22
  programs
• 12:23
  for
• 12:23
  kids
• 12:23
  to
• 12:24
  help
• 12:24
  them
• 12:24
  understand,
• 12:24
  like
• 12:25
  you
• 12:25
  have
• 12:25
  to
• 12:25
  take
• 12:26
  responsibility
• 12:27
  for
• 12:27
  your
• 12:27
  own
• 12:28
  online
• 12:28
  activity.
• 12:29
  And
• 12:29
  this
• 12:29
  is,
• 12:29
  you
• 12:29
  know,
• 12:29
  I
• 12:29
  raise
• 12:30
  my
• 12:30
  kids
• 12:30
  this
• 12:31
  way,
• 12:31
  right,
• 12:31
  because
• 12:31
  they,
• 12:32
  I
• 12:32
  raised
• 12:32
  them
• 12:32
  with
• 12:32
  Club
• 12:33
  Penguin
• 12:33
  and
• 12:33
  they
• 12:34
  know
• 12:34
  about
• 12:34
  all
• 12:34
  this
• 12:34
  stuff,
• 12:35
  right?
• 12:35
  And
• 12:35
  as
• 12:35
  a
• 12:36
  result,
• 12:36
  like,
• 12:36
  they
• 12:36
  have
• 12:36
  not
• 12:37
  been
• 12:37
  as,
• 12:38
  you
• 12:38
  know,
• 12:38
  let's
• 12:38
  say,
• 12:39
  promiscuous
• 12:39
  on
• 12:39
  the
• 12:39
  Internet
• 12:40
  as
• 12:40
  some
• 12:40
  of
• 12:40
  their
• 12:40
  peers,
• 12:41
  you
• 12:41
  know,
• 12:42
  because
• 12:42
  they
• 12:42
  understand
• 12:43
  that
• 12:43
  the
• 12:43
  Internet
• 12:45
  is,
• 12:45
  can
• 12:45
  be
• 12:45
  a
• 12:46
  great
• 12:46
  thing,
• 12:46
  but
• 12:46
  it
• 12:46
  also
• 12:46
  can
• 12:47
  be
• 12:47
  a
• 12:47
  very
• 12:47
  dangerous
• 12:47
  thing.
• 12:48
  And
• 12:48
  I
• 12:48
  think
• 12:48
  that
• 12:48
  what
• 12:49
  we
• 12:49
  have
• 12:50
  done
• 12:51
  is
• 12:51
  that
• 12:51
  we
• 12:52
  lie
• 12:52
  to
• 12:53
  everyone
• 12:53
  that,
• 12:54
  you
• 12:55
  know,
• 12:55
  some
• 12:55
  corporation
• 12:57
  or,
• 12:58
  you
• 12:58
  know,
• 12:58
  AI
• 12:59
  or
• 12:59
  some
• 13:00
  other
• 13:00
  thing
• 13:00
  is
• 13:00
  going
• 13:01
  to
• 13:01
  make
• 13:01
  the
• 13:01
  Internet
• 13:02
  just
• 13:02
  perfectly
• 13:02
  safe
• 13:03
  for
• 13:03
  them.
• 13:04
  And
• 13:04
  they
• 13:05
  don't
• 13:05
  have
• 13:05
  to
• 13:05
  be
• 13:05
  vigilant.
• 13:06
  And
• 13:06
  the
• 13:06
  reality
• 13:07
  is
• 13:07
  that
• 13:07
  everyone
• 13:07
  has
• 13:07
  to
• 13:07
  be
• 13:08
  vigilant
• 13:09
  because
• 13:09
  there
• 13:10
  are
• 13:10
  bad
• 13:10
  people
• 13:10
  out
• 13:11
  there
• 13:11
  trying
• 13:12
  to
• 13:12
  do
• 13:12
  bad
• 13:12
  Things
• 13:12
  all
• 13:13
  the
• 13:13
  time.
• 13:13
  All
• 13:14
  the
• 13:14
  time,
• 13:14
  all
• 13:14
  day,
• 13:15
  every
• 13:15
  day.
• 13:15
  If,
• 13:16
  if
• 13:16
  Dave,
• 13:16
  if
• 13:17
  Dave
• 13:17
  came
• 13:17
  out
• 13:17
  and
• 13:18
  told
• 13:18
  you
• 13:18
  how
• 13:18
  many
• 13:19
  kids
• 13:19
  they've
• 13:20
  have,
• 13:20
  have,
• 13:21
  have.
• 13:22
  I
• 13:22
  bet
• 13:22
  he
• 13:23
  gets
• 13:25
  hundreds,
• 13:26
  if
• 13:26
  hundreds
• 13:27
  of
• 13:27
  kids
• 13:28
  a
• 13:28
  week,
• 13:30
  if
• 13:30
  not
• 13:30
  a
• 13:31
  thousand
• 13:31
  a
• 13:31
  week,
• 13:32
  who,
• 13:32
  who
• 13:32
  go
• 13:33
  online
• 13:33
  and
• 13:33
  say
• 13:34
  they're
• 13:34
  going
• 13:34
  to
• 13:34
  kill
• 13:34
  themselves.
• 13:35
  And
• 13:36
  I
• 13:36
  would
• 13:36
  bet
• 13:36
  you
• 13:36
  all
• 13:37
  of
• 13:37
  those
• 13:37
  are
• 13:37
  getting
• 13:37
  referred
• 13:38
  to
• 13:38
  law
• 13:38
  enforcement.
• 13:39
  And
• 13:40
  they
• 13:40
  never
• 13:40
  talk
• 13:40
  about
• 13:41
  it.
• 13:42
  Right.
• 13:42
  And
• 13:43
  so
• 13:43
  people
• 13:43
  need
• 13:43
  to.
• 13:45
  And
• 13:45
  you
• 13:45
  know,
• 13:46
  to
• 13:46
  a
• 13:46
  certain
• 13:46
  degree
• 13:46
  you
• 13:46
  could
• 13:46
  talk
• 13:47
  about,
• 13:47
  well,
• 13:47
  how
• 13:47
  appropriate
• 13:48
  it
• 13:48
  is
• 13:48
  to
• 13:48
  get
• 13:48
  into
• 13:48
  that.
• 13:49
  But
• 13:50
  that's
• 13:50
  the
• 13:50
  dark
• 13:51
  side
• 13:51
  of
• 13:51
  all
• 13:51
  this
• 13:51
  that
• 13:52
  no
• 13:52
  one
• 13:52
  wants
• 13:52
  to
• 13:52
  talk
• 13:52
  about.
• 13:53
  But
• 13:53
  I
• 13:53
  can
• 13:53
  because
• 13:53
  I'm
• 13:54
  kind
• 13:54
  of
• 13:54
  out
• 13:54
  of
• 13:54
  it.
• 13:55
  But
• 13:56
  it's
• 13:57
  hard,
• 13:57
  right?
• 13:58
  And
• 13:58
  I
• 13:58
  think
• 13:58
  you
• 13:58
  have
• 13:59
  to.
• 13:59
  And
• 13:59
  I
• 14:00
  can
• 14:00
  say
• 14:00
  that,
• 14:00
  right?
• 14:01
  And
• 14:01
  people
• 14:01
  will
• 14:01
  listen
• 14:01
  to
• 14:01
  me
• 14:01
  and
• 14:02
  go,
• 14:02
  oh
• 14:02
  yeah,
• 14:02
  he's
• 14:03
  saying
• 14:03
  it's
• 14:03
  hard,
• 14:03
  it
• 14:03
  must
• 14:03
  be
• 14:04
  hard.
• 14:04
  He
• 14:04
  has
• 14:04
  no
• 14:04
  agenda
• 14:05
  to
• 14:05
  lie
• 14:06
  to
• 14:06
  me.
• 14:06
  But
• 14:06
  if
• 14:06
  Dave
• 14:07
  says
• 14:07
  it,
• 14:07
  it's
• 14:07
  like,
• 14:08
  well,
• 14:08
  he's
• 14:08
  just
• 14:08
  saying
• 14:08
  that
• 14:09
  now.
• 14:09
  He's
• 14:09
  whining,
• 14:10
  he's
• 14:10
  making
• 14:11
  excuses
• 14:11
  and
• 14:12
  it's
• 14:12
  like,
• 14:12
  well,
• 14:12
  no,
• 14:13
  it's
• 14:13
  hard
• 14:13
  and
• 14:14
  you
• 14:14
  have
• 14:14
  to
• 14:14
  constantly
• 14:15
  go
• 14:15
  at
• 14:15
  it.
• 14:15
  But
• 14:16
  if
• 14:16
  you
• 14:16
  have
• 14:16
  a
• 14:16
  focused
• 14:17
  effort,
• 14:17
  you
• 14:18
  can
• 14:18
  keep
• 14:18
  it
• 14:18
  mostly
• 14:19
  safe.
• 14:19
  And
• 14:20
  mostly
• 14:20
  safe
• 14:21
  is
• 14:21
  better
• 14:21
  than
• 14:22
  most
• 14:22
  of
• 14:23
  the
• 14:23
  Internet.
• 14:24
  Yeah.
• 14:25
  And
• 14:25
  I
• 14:26
  remember
• 14:26
  reading
• 14:27
  Juice
• 14:28
  Van
• 14:28
  Drunen,
• 14:29
  who
• 14:29
  writes
• 14:29
  a
• 14:29
  gaming
• 14:30
  newsletter
• 14:31
  super
• 14:31
  juiced
• 14:31
  at
• 14:32
  he
• 14:33
  after
• 14:33
  the
• 14:33
  Hindenburg
• 14:35
  short
• 14:35
  selling
• 14:36
  kind
• 14:36
  of
• 14:36
  alarmist
• 14:37
  report
• 14:37
  that
• 14:38
  was
• 14:38
  what,
• 14:39
  18
• 14:39
  months
• 14:39
  ago?
• 14:40
  Just
• 14:40
  over
• 14:40
  a
• 14:41
  year
• 14:41
  ago.
• 14:41
  I
• 14:41
  forget.
• 14:42
  But
• 14:43
  he
• 14:44
  published
• 14:45
  his
• 14:45
  newsletter
• 14:46
  with
• 14:47
  a
• 14:47
  table
• 14:47
  of
• 14:48
  reports
• 14:48
  from
• 14:49
  one
• 14:49
  of
• 14:49
  the
• 14:50
  centers
• 14:50
  for
• 14:50
  Child
• 14:50
  exploitation
• 14:51
  that
• 14:51
  monitors
• 14:52
  these
• 14:52
  reports
• 14:52
  and
• 14:53
  active
• 14:53
  investigations
• 14:54
  in
• 14:54
  the
• 14:54
  US
• 14:55
  And
• 14:55
  Roblox
• 14:56
  came
• 14:56
  in
• 14:57
  behind
• 14:58
  Pinterest,
• 14:59
  lower
• 14:59
  than
• 14:59
  Pinterest
• 15:00
  for
• 15:01
  reports
• 15:02
  of
• 15:03
  child
• 15:03
  exploitation
• 15:04
  and
• 15:04
  investigations.
• 15:06
  So
• 15:06
  again,
• 15:06
  there
• 15:07
  was
• 15:07
  all
• 15:07
  of
• 15:07
  this
• 15:08
  alarm
• 15:08
  and
• 15:08
  the
• 15:08
  Hindenburg
• 15:09
  report
• 15:09
  had
• 15:09
  been
• 15:11
  launched
• 15:12
  and
• 15:12
  everybody
• 15:12
  was
• 15:12
  going
• 15:13
  crazy
• 15:13
  and
• 15:14
  pausing
• 15:14
  projects
• 15:15
  when,
• 15:16
  you
• 15:16
  know,
• 15:16
  it
• 15:17
  was
• 15:17
  behind
• 15:17
  all
• 15:17
  of
• 15:17
  the
• 15:17
  meta
• 15:18
  platforms,
• 15:18
  but
• 15:18
  it
• 15:19
  was
• 15:19
  even
• 15:19
  lower
• 15:19
  than
• 15:20
  Pinterest.
• 15:22
  What
• 15:22
  happens
• 15:22
  with
• 15:22
  Roblox,
• 15:23
  and
• 15:23
  I
• 15:24
  found
• 15:24
  this
• 15:24
  in
• 15:24
  some
• 15:24
  of
• 15:24
  my
• 15:25
  research,
• 15:25
  is
• 15:25
  that
• 15:26
  it's
• 15:27
  exactly
• 15:27
  the
• 15:27
  same
• 15:27
  problem
• 15:28
  we
• 15:28
  have
• 15:28
  with
• 15:28
  Club
• 15:28
  Penguin,
• 15:29
  which
• 15:29
  is
• 15:29
  that
• 15:29
  it's
• 15:30
  too
• 15:30
  hard
• 15:30
  to
• 15:31
  groom
• 15:31
  on
• 15:32
  the
• 15:32
  service
• 15:32
  itself,
• 15:34
  but
• 15:34
  you
• 15:34
  can
• 15:34
  meet
• 15:34
  people
• 15:35
  and
• 15:35
  then
• 15:35
  try
• 15:36
  to
• 15:36
  drive
• 15:36
  them
• 15:37
  off
• 15:37
  the
• 15:37
  platform
• 15:38
  to
• 15:38
  some
• 15:39
  other
• 15:39
  service.
• 15:39
  Yeah.
• 15:40
  And
• 15:40
  the
• 15:40
  thing
• 15:40
  is
• 15:41
  that,
• 15:43
  that
• 15:44
  you,
• 15:44
  that
• 15:45
  the
• 15:45
  predators
• 15:46
  are,
• 15:48
  they're
• 15:48
  really
• 15:49
  good
• 15:49
  at
• 15:49
  what
• 15:49
  they
• 15:49
  do.
• 15:51
  They're
• 15:51
  really
• 15:52
  good
• 15:52
  at
• 15:53
  convincing
• 15:54
  these
• 15:54
  kids
• 15:55
  that,
• 15:57
  that
• 15:59
  you
• 16:00
  know,
• 16:00
  that
• 16:00
  they're
• 16:02
  to
• 16:02
  interact
• 16:03
  with
• 16:03
  them.
• 16:03
  Right.
• 16:04
  And
• 16:04
  they're
• 16:04
  also,
• 16:05
  and
• 16:05
  a
• 16:05
  lot
• 16:05
  of
• 16:05
  these
• 16:06
  are
• 16:06
  kids
• 16:06
  who
• 16:06
  look,
• 16:06
  they're
• 16:07
  they
• 16:08
  may
• 16:08
  be
• 16:08
  on
• 16:08
  the
• 16:08
  spectrum
• 16:09
  or
• 16:10
  have
• 16:10
  other,
• 16:10
  you
• 16:11
  know,
• 16:11
  other
• 16:11
  psychological
• 16:12
  issues
• 16:12
  or,
• 16:13
  or,
• 16:13
  you
• 16:13
  know,
• 16:13
  developmental
• 16:14
  issues
• 16:14
  or
• 16:15
  whatever.
• 16:15
  That's
• 16:16
  why
• 16:16
  they
• 16:16
  socialize
• 16:17
  online,
• 16:18
  because
• 16:18
  they
• 16:19
  struggle
• 16:19
  they
• 16:19
  over.
• 16:20
  I'm
• 16:20
  not
• 16:20
  talking
• 16:21
  about
• 16:21
  everyone
• 16:21
  because
• 16:21
  everyone's
• 16:22
  on
• 16:22
  the
• 16:22
  Internet,
• 16:22
  right?
• 16:22
  But,
• 16:23
  but
• 16:23
  the,
• 16:24
  but
• 16:24
  your
• 16:24
  hyper
• 16:24
  Internet
• 16:25
  people
• 16:25
  tend
• 16:25
  to
• 16:26
  be
• 16:26
  the
• 16:26
  most
• 16:26
  social
• 16:27
  vulnerabilities,
• 16:28
  basically
• 16:28
  certain.
• 16:28
  So
• 16:29
  they're
• 16:29
  more
• 16:29
  vulnerable,
• 16:30
  right?
• 16:30
  And
• 16:30
  they're
• 16:30
  lonely.
• 16:31
  And
• 16:31
  now
• 16:32
  somebody
• 16:32
  pays
• 16:32
  attention
• 16:33
  to
• 16:33
  them.
• 16:34
  And
• 16:34
  then
• 16:34
  these
• 16:34
  groomers
• 16:35
  are
• 16:35
  very
• 16:35
  good
• 16:35
  at.
• 16:35
  The
• 16:36
  other
• 16:36
  thing
• 16:36
  is
• 16:36
  they
• 16:36
  create.
• 16:37
  They
• 16:37
  find
• 16:38
  ways
• 16:38
  to.
• 16:38
  We
• 16:38
  used
• 16:38
  to
• 16:39
  call
• 16:39
  it
• 16:39
  dictionary
• 16:39
  Dance,
• 16:40
  but
• 16:40
  ways
• 16:41
  to,
• 16:41
  ways
• 16:42
  to
• 16:42
  use
• 16:43
  emojis
• 16:43
  or,
• 16:44
  you
• 16:45
  know,
• 16:45
  they
• 16:45
  come
• 16:45
  up
• 16:45
  with
• 16:46
  code
• 16:47
  for
• 16:48
  the
• 16:48
  app
• 16:48
  they
• 16:48
  want
• 16:49
  you
• 16:49
  to
• 16:49
  go
• 16:49
  to
• 16:49
  or
• 16:50
  for
• 16:50
  the
• 16:51
  account
• 16:51
  they
• 16:51
  want
• 16:51
  you
• 16:52
  to
• 16:52
  follow
• 16:52
  or
• 16:52
  whatever
• 16:52
  it
• 16:53
  is,
• 16:53
  right?
• 16:53
  They
• 16:53
  come
• 16:53
  up
• 16:54
  with
• 16:54
  a
• 16:54
  code
• 16:54
  that
• 16:55
  is
• 16:55
  hard
• 16:55
  to
• 16:55
  detect.
• 16:57
  And
• 16:57
  then,
• 16:57
  and
• 16:58
  then
• 16:58
  because
• 16:58
  they're
• 16:59
  not
• 16:59
  just
• 16:59
  saying
• 16:59
  go
• 17:00
  to
• 17:01
  Instagram
• 17:02
  and
• 17:02
  DM
• 17:03
  me
• 17:03
  at
• 17:04
  whatever
• 17:04
  there.
• 17:05
  It's
• 17:05
  in
• 17:05
  code,
• 17:06
  but
• 17:06
  the
• 17:06
  kid
• 17:07
  knows
• 17:07
  the
• 17:07
  code
• 17:07
  or
• 17:08
  they
• 17:08
  figure
• 17:08
  out
• 17:08
  the
• 17:08
  code
• 17:08
  or
• 17:09
  they
• 17:09
  search.
• 17:09
  They
• 17:10
  figure
• 17:10
  they
• 17:10
  search
• 17:11
  somewhere
• 17:11
  else.
• 17:11
  They
• 17:12
  put
• 17:12
  two
• 17:12
  together
• 17:12
  and
• 17:13
  then
• 17:13
  they
• 17:13
  meet
• 17:13
  off
• 17:13
  platform
• 17:14
  and
• 17:14
  that's
• 17:14
  where
• 17:14
  the
• 17:14
  bad
• 17:14
  stuff
• 17:15
  happens.
• 17:15
  But
• 17:16
  they
• 17:16
  meet
• 17:16
  on
• 17:16
  Roblox.
• 17:17
  And
• 17:17
  so
• 17:18
  this
• 17:18
  is
• 17:18
  the
• 17:18
  thing
• 17:18
  that's
• 17:18
  really
• 17:19
  hard
• 17:19
  is
• 17:19
  that
• 17:20
  Roblox
• 17:21
  gets
• 17:21
  a
• 17:21
  lot
• 17:21
  of
• 17:21
  grief.
• 17:23
  But
• 17:23
  if
• 17:24
  you
• 17:24
  look
• 17:24
  at
• 17:24
  the
• 17:24
  cases
• 17:25
  that
• 17:25
  turn
• 17:25
  really
• 17:25
  bad,
• 17:26
  where,
• 17:26
  where
• 17:26
  it
• 17:27
  really
• 17:27
  gets
• 17:27
  bad
• 17:27
  is
• 17:28
  outside
• 17:29
  of
• 17:29
  Roblox,
• 17:29
  where
• 17:30
  they
• 17:30
  can't
• 17:30
  control
• 17:30
  it.
• 17:31
  And
• 17:31
  this
• 17:32
  is
• 17:32
  the
• 17:32
  hardest
• 17:32
  hole
• 17:33
  to
• 17:33
  close
• 17:34
  is
• 17:34
  the
• 17:35
  I
• 17:35
  met
• 17:35
  someone
• 17:36
  and
• 17:36
  then
• 17:36
  I
• 17:36
  go
• 17:36
  somewhere
• 17:37
  else
• 17:37
  problem.
• 17:38
  And,
• 17:38
  and
• 17:38
  it's
• 17:38
  just.
• 17:39
  And
• 17:39
  it's
• 17:39
  a,
• 17:40
  it's,
• 17:40
  it's.
• 17:40
  It's
• 17:40
  a
• 17:41
  game
• 17:41
  of
• 17:41
  Whack
• 17:41
  a
• 17:41
  Mole.
• 17:42
  Because
• 17:42
  the
• 17:42
  code
• 17:42
  always
• 17:43
  changes
• 17:43
  the
• 17:44
  tool,
• 17:44
  the
• 17:44
  ways,
• 17:45
  the
• 17:45
  tools
• 17:45
  that
• 17:46
  they
• 17:46
  use.
• 17:46
  Like
• 17:47
  all
• 17:47
  these
• 17:47
  people
• 17:47
  do
• 17:48
  is
• 17:48
  sit
• 17:48
  there
• 17:48
  and
• 17:49
  try
• 17:49
  to
• 17:49
  find
• 17:49
  ways
• 17:50
  to
• 17:50
  lure
• 17:50
  kids
• 17:50
  off
• 17:50
  your
• 17:51
  service
• 17:51
  into
• 17:52
  the
• 17:52
  raw,
• 17:52
  into
• 17:53
  unsafe
• 17:53
  places.
• 17:54
  That's
• 17:54
  it.
• 17:56
  You
• 17:56
  know,
• 17:57
  and
• 17:57
  they
• 17:57
  work
• 17:57
  in
• 17:57
  groups
• 17:58
  and,
• 17:59
  and,
• 17:59
  and
• 18:00
  they're,
• 18:00
  they're.
• 18:01
  They're
• 18:01
  often
• 18:01
  fronts
• 18:02
  for
• 18:02
  things
• 18:03
  like,
• 18:03
  for
• 18:03
  example,
• 18:04
  we
• 18:05
  got
• 18:05
  hacked
• 18:05
  one
• 18:05
  time.
• 18:06
  We
• 18:06
  were
• 18:06
  getting
• 18:06
  brutally.
• 18:07
  I
• 18:07
  mean,
• 18:07
  one
• 18:07
  of
• 18:07
  the
• 18:08
  things
• 18:08
  that
• 18:08
  really
• 18:08
  killed
• 18:08
  Club
• 18:09
  Penguin
• 18:09
  was
• 18:10
  we
• 18:10
  were
• 18:10
  getting
• 18:10
  botted
• 18:11
  at
• 18:12
  just
• 18:13
  insane
• 18:13
  levels,
• 18:14
  right?
• 18:15
  And
• 18:15
  during
• 18:16
  the
• 18:16
  Star
• 18:16
  wars
• 18:17
  party,
• 18:17
  which
• 18:17
  was
• 18:17
  going
• 18:17
  to
• 18:17
  be
• 18:18
  this
• 18:18
  huge
• 18:18
  event,
• 18:18
  right?
• 18:18
  And
• 18:19
  everyone's
• 18:19
  trying
• 18:19
  to
• 18:19
  log
• 18:19
  in,
• 18:20
  and
• 18:20
  we
• 18:21
  got
• 18:21
  savagely,
• 18:22
  DDoS.
• 18:22
  It
• 18:22
  turned
• 18:23
  out
• 18:23
  Disney
• 18:23
  had
• 18:23
  no
• 18:24
  DDoS
• 18:24
  protection
• 18:25
  as
• 18:25
  a
• 18:25
  company.
• 18:25
  None.
• 18:26
  Zero
• 18:27
  for
• 18:28
  disney.com
• 18:29
  for
• 18:29
  any,
• 18:29
  any
• 18:30
  of
• 18:30
  their
• 18:30
  sites.
• 18:30
  No
• 18:30
  DDoS
• 18:31
  protection.
• 18:32
  So
• 18:33
  it
• 18:33
  took
• 18:33
  us,
• 18:33
  you
• 18:33
  know,
• 18:34
  days
• 18:34
  and
• 18:34
  days
• 18:34
  and
• 18:34
  days
• 18:35
  and
• 18:35
  days
• 18:35
  to
• 18:35
  get
• 18:35
  DDoS
• 18:36
  protection,
• 18:37
  all
• 18:37
  while
• 18:38
  because
• 18:38
  we
• 18:38
  had
• 18:38
  to
• 18:39
  come
• 18:39
  up
• 18:39
  with
• 18:39
  it
• 18:39
  because
• 18:39
  Disney
• 18:40
  had
• 18:40
  never
• 18:40
  been
• 18:40
  dosed
• 18:41
  before.
• 18:41
  Never
• 18:42
  been
• 18:42
  dosed.
• 18:45
  And
• 18:45
  we
• 18:45
  were
• 18:45
  like,
• 18:45
  well,
• 18:46
  how
• 18:46
  do
• 18:46
  you
• 18:46
  surely.
• 18:47
  Like,
• 18:47
  you're
• 18:47
  a
• 18:47
  big
• 18:47
  corporation,
• 18:48
  big
• 18:48
  name.
• 18:49
  We
• 18:49
  just
• 18:49
  never
• 18:49
  encountered
• 18:50
  it
• 18:50
  before,
• 18:50
  so
• 18:50
  we
• 18:51
  didn't
• 18:51
  need
• 18:51
  it.
• 18:53
  So
• 18:53
  we're
• 18:54
  dealing
• 18:54
  with
• 18:54
  all
• 18:54
  this,
• 18:55
  and
• 18:55
  then
• 18:56
  we
• 18:56
  wind
• 18:56
  up
• 18:56
  hiring.
• 18:57
  It
• 18:57
  was
• 18:57
  so
• 18:57
  material
• 18:58
  on
• 18:58
  our
• 18:58
  business
• 18:58
  that
• 18:59
  we
• 18:59
  wound
• 18:59
  up
• 18:59
  hiring
• 18:59
  a
• 19:00
  private
• 19:00
  investigation
• 19:01
  firm
• 19:01
  to
• 19:02
  find
• 19:02
  out
• 19:02
  what's
• 19:02
  going
• 19:03
  on.
• 19:03
  Well,
• 19:03
  what
• 19:03
  we
• 19:03
  found
• 19:04
  out
• 19:05
  was
• 19:05
  that
• 19:05
  it
• 19:05
  was
• 19:05
  a
• 19:06
  group
• 19:06
  of
• 19:06
  kids
• 19:06
  out
• 19:07
  of
• 19:07
  the
• 19:07
  UK
• 19:07
  and
• 19:08
  France.
• 19:09
  They
• 19:09
  would
• 19:09
  find
• 19:09
  these,
• 19:10
  what
• 19:10
  they
• 19:10
  called
• 19:10
  script
• 19:10
  kiddies
• 19:11
  at
• 19:11
  the
• 19:11
  time,
• 19:11
  but
• 19:11
  kids
• 19:12
  who,
• 19:12
  you
• 19:13
  know,
• 19:13
  especially
• 19:13
  with
• 19:13
  Flash,
• 19:14
  it
• 19:14
  was
• 19:14
  very
• 19:14
  hackable,
• 19:16
  and
• 19:16
  so
• 19:16
  they
• 19:16
  were
• 19:17
  looking
• 19:17
  for
• 19:17
  exploits.
• 19:18
  So
• 19:18
  what
• 19:19
  these
• 19:19
  kids
• 19:19
  were.
• 19:19
  And
• 19:20
  there
• 19:20
  was
• 19:20
  a
• 19:20
  guy
• 19:21
  behind
• 19:21
  them.
• 19:21
  And
• 19:22
  I
• 19:22
  think
• 19:22
  we
• 19:22
  eventually
• 19:23
  found
• 19:23
  him,
• 19:24
  but
• 19:25
  I.
• 19:25
  I
• 19:26
  think
• 19:26
  he
• 19:26
  was
• 19:26
  a
• 19:26
  hostile
• 19:27
  foreign
• 19:27
  actor.
• 19:27
  I
• 19:28
  don't
• 19:28
  think
• 19:28
  that
• 19:28
  he
• 19:28
  was
• 19:29
  just
• 19:29
  a.
• 19:31
  Like
• 19:31
  a
• 19:31
  hacker.
• 19:32
  I
• 19:32
  think
• 19:32
  he
• 19:32
  was
• 19:33
  maybe
• 19:33
  affiliated
• 19:34
  with
• 19:34
  the
• 19:34
  government
• 19:34
  or
• 19:35
  something,
• 19:36
  and
• 19:36
  he
• 19:37
  was
• 19:37
  using
• 19:37
  these
• 19:37
  kids.
• 19:38
  He
• 19:38
  told
• 19:38
  them
• 19:38
  how
• 19:38
  to
• 19:38
  hack
• 19:39
  it.
• 19:40
  And
• 19:40
  so
• 19:40
  they
• 19:41
  were
• 19:41
  just
• 19:41
  running
• 19:41
  these
• 19:41
  scripts
• 19:42
  and
• 19:42
  doing
• 19:42
  this
• 19:43
  stuff,
• 19:43
  and
• 19:43
  they
• 19:44
  thought
• 19:44
  they
• 19:44
  were
• 19:44
  doing
• 19:44
  it
• 19:45
  to
• 19:45
  get
• 19:45
  free
• 19:45
  stuff,
• 19:46
  like
• 19:46
  we're
• 19:46
  gonna
• 19:47
  get,
• 19:47
  you
• 19:47
  know,
• 19:47
  free
• 19:47
  costumes
• 19:48
  and
• 19:48
  legacy
• 19:48
  items
• 19:49
  and
• 19:49
  whatever.
• 19:50
  But
• 19:50
  what
• 19:50
  they
• 19:50
  were
• 19:51
  actually
• 19:51
  doing
• 19:52
  was
• 19:52
  they
• 19:52
  were
• 19:53
  like
• 19:54
  running
• 19:54
  at
• 19:54
  the
• 19:55
  electric
• 19:55
  fence,
• 19:56
  you
• 19:57
  know,
• 19:57
  to
• 19:58
  draw
• 19:58
  the
• 19:59
  current
• 19:59
  off
• 19:59
  so
• 19:59
  he
• 20:00
  could
• 20:00
  get
• 20:00
  through.
• 20:01
  And
• 20:01
  he
• 20:02
  was
• 20:02
  basically
• 20:03
  piggybacking
• 20:03
  off
• 20:03
  their
• 20:04
  efforts.
• 20:05
  And
• 20:05
  he
• 20:05
  was
• 20:05
  inside
• 20:06
  Disney
• 20:06
  systems.
• 20:07
  He
• 20:07
  was
• 20:07
  pulling
• 20:08
  scripts
• 20:08
  from
• 20:09
  the
• 20:09
  studio,
• 20:10
  doing
• 20:10
  all
• 20:10
  kinds
• 20:11
  of
• 20:11
  stuff.
• 20:11
  So
• 20:12
  there's
• 20:12
  all
• 20:12
  kinds
• 20:13
  of
• 20:13
  stuff
• 20:13
  like
• 20:13
  this
• 20:14
  that
• 20:14
  happens
• 20:14
  out
• 20:14
  there,
• 20:15
  right?
• 20:15
  Constantly.
• 20:16
  Constantly.
• 20:17
  And
• 20:17
  you
• 20:17
  just.
• 20:17
  All
• 20:18
  you
• 20:18
  can
• 20:18
  do
• 20:18
  is
• 20:18
  fight
• 20:19
  it,
• 20:19
  you
• 20:19
  know?
• 20:20
  Whoa,
• 20:21
  there
• 20:21
  are
• 20:21
  some
• 20:22
  real
• 20:22
  war
• 20:23
  stories
• 20:23
  there,
• 20:23
  Chris.
• 20:24
  That's
• 20:24
  unreal.
• 20:26
  So
• 20:27
  this
• 20:27
  episode's
• 20:28
  going
• 20:28
  to
• 20:28
  go
• 20:28
  out
• 20:28
  the
• 20:29
  week
• 20:29
  of
• 20:29
  gdc.
• 20:31
  What
• 20:31
  do
• 20:31
  you
• 20:31
  see
• 20:32
  as
• 20:32
  the
• 20:32
  current
• 20:32
  state
• 20:32
  of
• 20:33
  play
• 20:33
  for
• 20:33
  kids
• 20:34
  gaming?
• 20:36
  What
• 20:36
  are
• 20:36
  the
• 20:37
  hopeful
• 20:37
  spots?
• 20:37
  What
• 20:38
  are
• 20:38
  the
• 20:38
  lookouts?
• 20:38
  I
• 20:38
  mean,
• 20:38
  I
• 20:39
  think
• 20:39
  we've
• 20:39
  gotten
• 20:39
  into
• 20:39
  safety,
• 20:40
  and
• 20:40
  you've
• 20:40
  given
• 20:40
  some
• 20:41
  really
• 20:41
  great
• 20:41
  context
• 20:41
  there,
• 20:42
  but
• 20:42
  what
• 20:42
  else
• 20:43
  are
• 20:43
  you.
• 20:44
  I
• 20:44
  mean,
• 20:44
  kids
• 20:45
  gaming
• 20:45
  kind
• 20:45
  of
• 20:45
  died
• 20:46
  in
• 20:46
  a
• 20:46
  way
• 20:49
  after
• 20:51
  copa.
• 20:53
  And
• 20:54
  this
• 20:54
  is.
• 20:54
  This
• 20:54
  is
• 20:54
  part
• 20:55
  of
• 20:55
  the
• 20:55
  reason
• 20:55
  that
• 20:55
  I
• 20:55
  don't
• 20:56
  love
• 20:57
  regulation
• 20:58
  is
• 20:58
  what
• 20:58
  I
• 20:59
  realized
• 20:59
  is
• 20:59
  that
• 21:01
  the.
• 21:02
  The
• 21:03
  regulation,
• 21:06
  if
• 21:06
  you
• 21:06
  were
• 21:06
  a
• 21:07
  legitimate
• 21:07
  actor
• 21:08
  and
• 21:08
  you
• 21:09
  admitted
• 21:09
  that
• 21:10
  you
• 21:10
  were
• 21:10
  making
• 21:10
  stuff
• 21:11
  for
• 21:11
  kids,
• 21:12
  then
• 21:12
  you
• 21:12
  had
• 21:12
  to
• 21:13
  follow
• 21:13
  all
• 21:13
  these
• 21:13
  laws,
• 21:13
  and
• 21:14
  the
• 21:14
  laws
• 21:14
  made
• 21:14
  it
• 21:14
  harder
• 21:15
  to
• 21:15
  make
• 21:15
  a
• 21:15
  good
• 21:16
  business.
• 21:16
  And
• 21:16
  then
• 21:17
  it.
• 21:17
  You,
• 21:17
  you
• 21:17
  know,
• 21:18
  and
• 21:18
  you
• 21:18
  were
• 21:18
  competing
• 21:19
  against
• 21:19
  actors
• 21:19
  who
• 21:20
  had
• 21:20
  significant
• 21:21
  kid
• 21:22
  audiences,
• 21:24
  but.
• 21:25
  But
• 21:25
  didn't
• 21:26
  admit
• 21:26
  it
• 21:26
  and
• 21:27
  so
• 21:27
  they
• 21:27
  didn't
• 21:27
  have
• 21:27
  to
• 21:28
  follow
• 21:28
  law
• 21:29
  and
• 21:30
  you
• 21:30
  were
• 21:30
  at
• 21:30
  a
• 21:30
  real
• 21:31
  disadvantage.
• 21:31
  And
• 21:31
  so
• 21:32
  that's
• 21:32
  what
• 21:32
  was
• 21:32
  going
• 21:32
  on
• 21:33
  with
• 21:33
  mobile,
• 21:33
  right?
• 21:34
  Is
• 21:35
  there
• 21:35
  is.
• 21:36
  Kids
• 21:36
  were
• 21:36
  a
• 21:36
  massive
• 21:37
  part
• 21:37
  of
• 21:37
  the
• 21:37
  mobile
• 21:37
  game
• 21:38
  playership.
• 21:38
  Remember
• 21:39
  Smurf's
• 21:40
  Village,
• 21:40
  that
• 21:41
  controversy,
• 21:41
  right?
• 21:42
  There
• 21:43
  were
• 21:43
  tons
• 21:43
  of
• 21:43
  kids
• 21:43
  playing
• 21:44
  mobile
• 21:44
  games
• 21:45
  and
• 21:45
  the
• 21:45
  mobile
• 21:45
  games
• 21:45
  were
• 21:46
  unrestricted
• 21:46
  and
• 21:47
  in,
• 21:48
  in
• 21:48
  monetization,
• 21:49
  in,
• 21:50
  in
• 21:50
  activities,
• 21:51
  all
• 21:51
  of
• 21:51
  this
• 21:51
  stuff.
• 21:52
  And
• 21:53
  kids
• 21:53
  just
• 21:53
  kind
• 21:54
  of
• 21:54
  moved
• 21:54
  from
• 21:54
  traditional
• 21:55
  games
• 21:55
  to
• 21:55
  whatever
• 21:56
  they're
• 21:56
  or
• 21:56
  from
• 21:56
  kids
• 21:57
  games
• 21:57
  to
• 21:57
  whatever
• 21:57
  their
• 21:58
  parent
• 21:58
  had
• 21:58
  on
• 21:58
  their
• 21:58
  phone.
• 21:59
  So
• 21:59
  the
• 21:59
  kids
• 22:00
  gaming
• 22:00
  business,
• 22:00
  the
• 22:01
  kids
• 22:01
  gaming
• 22:01
  business
• 22:02
  outside
• 22:02
  of
• 22:02
  Roblox
• 22:03
  kind
• 22:03
  of
• 22:03
  collapsed
• 22:04
  to,
• 22:06
  you
• 22:06
  know,
• 22:06
  preschool
• 22:07
  kind
• 22:07
  of
• 22:07
  stuff
• 22:08
  like,
• 22:09
  like
• 22:11
  oh,
• 22:11
  I'm
• 22:11
  forgetting
• 22:12
  the
• 22:12
  Canadian
• 22:13
  group
• 22:13
  that,
• 22:13
  that
• 22:13
  just
• 22:14
  closed
• 22:15
  that
• 22:15
  was
• 22:15
  doing
• 22:16
  that
• 22:16
  did
• 22:16
  kids
• 22:17
  games
• 22:17
  but
• 22:17
  was
• 22:17
  really
• 22:17
  good
• 22:18
  at
• 22:18
  it.
• 22:21
  Sega,
• 22:21
  not
• 22:22
  Sego.
• 22:22
  Mini.
• 22:22
  Yeah,
• 22:23
  I
• 22:23
  know.
• 22:24
  Yeah,
• 22:24
  yeah,
• 22:24
  them
• 22:25
  too.
• 22:25
  Right?
• 22:25
  There
• 22:25
  were,
• 22:26
  there
• 22:26
  were
• 22:26
  Sago
• 22:27
  Sago
• 22:27
  and
• 22:28
  yeah,
• 22:29
  you
• 22:29
  know,
• 22:29
  Tucker
• 22:30
  Takaboka.
• 22:31
  Takaboka
• 22:31
  was
• 22:32
  one.
• 22:32
  And
• 22:32
  then
• 22:32
  there
• 22:32
  was
• 22:33
  another
• 22:33
  group
• 22:33
  in
• 22:33
  Canada
• 22:34
  that
• 22:34
  did
• 22:34
  kids
• 22:35
  get
• 22:35
  like
• 22:35
  licensed
• 22:36
  kids
• 22:36
  games.
• 22:36
  But
• 22:37
  there
• 22:37
  were
• 22:37
  a
• 22:37
  few.
• 22:37
  But
• 22:38
  really
• 22:38
  the
• 22:38
  kids
• 22:38
  market
• 22:39
  kind
• 22:39
  of
• 22:39
  collapsed
• 22:39
  and
• 22:40
  then
• 22:40
  Roblox
• 22:40
  took
• 22:40
  off
• 22:41
  and,
• 22:41
  and
• 22:41
  brought
• 22:41
  it
• 22:41
  back.
• 22:43
  And
• 22:44
  so
• 22:44
  I
• 22:44
  think
• 22:45
  that
• 22:45
  in
• 22:45
  many
• 22:45
  ways
• 22:46
  kind
• 22:46
  of
• 22:46
  the
• 22:46
  kids
• 22:47
  gaming
• 22:47
  market
• 22:48
  is,
• 22:49
  you
• 22:49
  know,
• 22:49
  the
• 22:50
  kids
• 22:50
  gaming
• 22:50
  market
• 22:50
  and
• 22:51
  Roblox
• 22:51
  are
• 22:51
  the
• 22:51
  same
• 22:52
  thing
• 22:52
  now.
• 22:53
  And
• 22:53
  Minecraft,
• 22:54
  right?
• 22:54
  Those
• 22:54
  two
• 22:54
  things
• 22:54
  really
• 22:55
  absorbed
• 22:56
  the
• 22:56
  kids
• 22:56
  market.
• 22:57
  My
• 22:57
  kids
• 22:57
  all
• 22:58
  went
• 22:58
  on
• 22:58
  a
• 22:58
  Minecraft
• 22:59
  after
• 22:59
  Club
• 22:59
  Penguin.
• 23:00
  One
• 23:01
  of
• 23:01
  my
• 23:01
  kids
• 23:01
  still
• 23:01
  plays
• 23:02
  it.
• 23:03
  And
• 23:04
  you
• 23:04
  know,
• 23:05
  that's
• 23:05
  kind
• 23:05
  of
• 23:05
  defined
• 23:06
  kids
• 23:06
  gaming,
• 23:08
  you
• 23:08
  know.
• 23:08
  So
• 23:08
  I
• 23:08
  think
• 23:09
  the
• 23:09
  kids
• 23:09
  gaming
• 23:09
  sort
• 23:10
  of
• 23:11
  is
• 23:11
  the
• 23:12
  future,
• 23:12
  has
• 23:12
  pioneered
• 23:13
  the
• 23:13
  future
• 23:13
  of
• 23:14
  where
• 23:14
  we're
• 23:14
  headed
• 23:14
  with
• 23:14
  games
• 23:15
  now,
• 23:15
  which
• 23:15
  is
• 23:15
  really
• 23:15
  the
• 23:16
  creator
• 23:16
  culture
• 23:17
  because
• 23:18
  you
• 23:18
  know,
• 23:18
  where
• 23:18
  we're
• 23:19
  headed
• 23:19
  is,
• 23:20
  you
• 23:21
  know,
• 23:22
  games
• 23:22
  that
• 23:22
  are
• 23:22
  more
• 23:23
  like
• 23:23
  content
• 23:24
  that
• 23:24
  are
• 23:24
  deployed
• 23:24
  into
• 23:25
  these
• 23:27
  social
• 23:27
  networks
• 23:28
  that
• 23:30
  the
• 23:30
  gaming
• 23:31
  social
• 23:31
  networks
• 23:31
  like
• 23:31
  Roblox
• 23:33
  that
• 23:33
  or
• 23:34
  Minecraft,
• 23:34
  right?
• 23:35
  That
• 23:35
  where
• 23:36
  the
• 23:37
  creators
• 23:37
  of
• 23:37
  that
• 23:37
  content
• 23:38
  are
• 23:38
  able
• 23:38
  to
• 23:38
  monetize,
• 23:39
  right.
• 23:39
  And
• 23:39
  build
• 23:40
  their
• 23:40
  own
• 23:40
  little
• 23:40
  cottage
• 23:41
  business.
• 23:42
  And
• 23:42
  some
• 23:42
  of
• 23:42
  them
• 23:43
  much
• 23:43
  more
• 23:43
  than
• 23:43
  a
• 23:43
  cottage
• 23:44
  business.
• 23:44
  And
• 23:44
  so
• 23:45
  I
• 23:46
  think
• 23:46
  that
• 23:46
  Roblox
• 23:47
  is
• 23:48
  a
• 23:49
  complete.
• 23:49
  I
• 23:49
  don't
• 23:50
  think
• 23:50
  people
• 23:50
  understand
• 23:50
  what
• 23:51
  Roblox
• 23:51
  really
• 23:51
  is
• 23:52
  because
• 23:53
  it's
• 23:53
  a
• 23:54
  architectural
• 23:55
  and
• 23:57
  business
• 23:57
  model
• 23:58
  shift
• 23:58
  from
• 23:58
  the
• 23:59
  gaming
• 23:59
  of
• 23:59
  the
• 23:59
  last
• 24:00
  like,
• 24:01
  you
• 24:01
  know,
• 24:01
  of
• 24:02
  the
• 24:02
  console
• 24:02
  era
• 24:02
  and
• 24:02
  the
• 24:03
  mobile
• 24:03
  era.
• 24:03
  I
• 24:03
  always
• 24:03
  say,
• 24:04
  I
• 24:04
  was
• 24:04
  just
• 24:04
  on
• 24:04
  podcasts
• 24:05
  earlier
• 24:05
  where
• 24:06
  I
• 24:06
  was
• 24:06
  saying,
• 24:06
  look,
• 24:08
  Roblox
• 24:09
  is
• 24:09
  the
• 24:09
  new
• 24:09
  console,
• 24:10
  right?
• 24:11
  It
• 24:11
  is
• 24:11
  the.
• 24:11
  Everyone
• 24:12
  keeps
• 24:12
  saying
• 24:12
  when's
• 24:12
  the
• 24:12
  new
• 24:13
  console
• 24:13
  going
• 24:13
  to
• 24:13
  come
• 24:13
  out?
• 24:14
  There
• 24:14
  isn't
• 24:14
  going
• 24:14
  to
• 24:14
  be
• 24:14
  a
• 24:14
  new
• 24:15
  console
• 24:15
  that
• 24:15
  changes
• 24:16
  gaming
• 24:16
  materially
• 24:17
  the
• 24:17
  new
• 24:18
  console
• 24:18
  is
• 24:18
  Roblox,
• 24:19
  right?
• 24:20
  And
• 24:22
  to
• 24:22
  a
• 24:22
  lesser
• 24:23
  degree,
• 24:23
  ufn.
• 24:24
  And
• 24:25
  so
• 24:25
  this
• 24:25
  creator
• 24:26
  era
• 24:28
  is
• 24:28
  where
• 24:28
  we're
• 24:29
  headed.
• 24:29
  And
• 24:29
  then
• 24:29
  you
• 24:29
  get
• 24:30
  into
• 24:30
  this
• 24:30
  new
• 24:30
  set
• 24:31
  of
• 24:31
  problems,
• 24:31
  which
• 24:31
  is
• 24:32
  okay,
• 24:33
  now
• 24:33
  I
• 24:33
  can
• 24:33
  have
• 24:33
  hostile
• 24:34
  actors
• 24:35
  who
• 24:35
  are
• 24:35
  not
• 24:36
  just
• 24:36
  on
• 24:36
  the,
• 24:38
  who
• 24:38
  are
• 24:38
  not
• 24:39
  just
• 24:39
  on
• 24:39
  the
• 24:39
  player
• 24:39
  side,
• 24:40
  but
• 24:40
  they're
• 24:40
  also
• 24:40
  on
• 24:40
  the
• 24:41
  developer
• 24:41
  side.
• 24:42
  And
• 24:42
  so
• 24:42
  Roblox
• 24:43
  is
• 24:43
  seeing
• 24:43
  this
• 24:43
  with
• 24:44
  like,
• 24:44
  you
• 24:45
  know,
• 24:45
  all
• 24:45
  kinds
• 24:45
  of
• 24:46
  like
• 24:46
  gambling
• 24:46
  mechanics
• 24:47
  and
• 24:47
  you
• 24:48
  know,
• 24:48
  and,
• 24:48
  and
• 24:49
  you
• 24:49
  know,
• 24:49
  loot
• 24:49
  box
• 24:50
  mechanics
• 24:50
  and
• 24:50
  stuff
• 24:50
  like
• 24:50
  that.
• 24:50
  That
• 24:51
  some
• 24:51
  of
• 24:52
  which
• 24:52
  I
• 24:52
  think
• 24:52
  there's
• 24:53
  too
• 24:53
  much
• 24:53
  fear
• 24:53
  factor
• 24:54
  and
• 24:54
  kind
• 24:54
  of
• 24:56
  engineered
• 25:00
  uninformed
• 25:01
  BS
• 25:03
  that
• 25:04
  like
• 25:04
  loot
• 25:04
  boxes
• 25:05
  are
• 25:05
  fine.
• 25:05
  Right?
• 25:06
  Like,
• 25:06
  like
• 25:06
  this,
• 25:06
  this
• 25:07
  whole
• 25:07
  thing
• 25:07
  around,
• 25:07
  I
• 25:07
  know
• 25:08
  half
• 25:08
  your
• 25:08
  audience
• 25:08
  has
• 25:09
  passed
• 25:09
  out,
• 25:09
  but
• 25:10
  you
• 25:10
  know,
• 25:10
  loot
• 25:10
  boxes
• 25:11
  are
• 25:11
  fine.
• 25:12
  There's
• 25:12
  no,
• 25:13
  you
• 25:13
  know,
• 25:13
  there's
• 25:14
  no
• 25:14
  one
• 25:14
  you're
• 25:14
  not
• 25:14
  going
• 25:15
  to
• 25:15
  go
• 25:15
  to
• 25:15
  there.
• 25:16
  There
• 25:16
  are
• 25:16
  no
• 25:16
  AA
• 25:17
  meetings
• 25:17
  for,
• 25:18
  or
• 25:18
  12
• 25:18
  step
• 25:19
  programs
• 25:19
  for
• 25:20
  loot
• 25:20
  box
• 25:21
  addicts.
• 25:22
  Right?
• 25:22
  It's
• 25:22
  just,
• 25:22
  it
• 25:23
  doesn't
• 25:23
  exist.
• 25:23
  Like,
• 25:24
  you
• 25:24
  know,
• 25:25
  like
• 25:25
  if
• 25:26
  a
• 25:26
  kid
• 25:26
  opens
• 25:27
  too
• 25:27
  many
• 25:27
  loot
• 25:27
  boxes
• 25:28
  and
• 25:28
  they
• 25:28
  run
• 25:28
  out
• 25:28
  of
• 25:29
  credits,
• 25:30
  they
• 25:30
  have
• 25:30
  to
• 25:30
  go
• 25:31
  back
• 25:31
  to
• 25:31
  mom
• 25:31
  and
• 25:31
  ask
• 25:31
  for
• 25:32
  more
• 25:32
  Ro
• 25:32
  Robux.
• 25:33
  Right?
• 25:33
  And
• 25:33
  mom
• 25:34
  can
• 25:34
  say
• 25:34
  no
• 25:34
  to
• 25:35
  that.
• 25:35
  So
• 25:36
  the,
• 25:37
  the,
• 25:37
  the
• 25:37
  idea
• 25:38
  that
• 25:38
  like
• 25:38
  loot
• 25:39
  boxes
• 25:39
  are
• 25:39
  the
• 25:39
  problem,
• 25:39
  we
• 25:40
  need
• 25:40
  to
• 25:40
  ban
• 25:40
  loot
• 25:41
  boxes.
• 25:41
  You
• 25:41
  know,
• 25:41
  like
• 25:41
  there's
• 25:42
  much
• 25:42
  more
• 25:43
  insidious
• 25:44
  mechanics
• 25:44
  that
• 25:45
  I
• 25:45
  think
• 25:45
  people
• 25:45
  are.
• 25:46
  And,
• 25:46
  and
• 25:47
  you
• 25:47
  know,
• 25:47
  this
• 25:47
  is
• 25:48
  a
• 25:48
  culture
• 25:48
  that
• 25:48
  at
• 25:49
  one
• 25:49
  level
• 25:49
  wants
• 25:49
  to
• 25:49
  ban
• 25:50
  loot
• 25:50
  boxes
• 25:50
  and
• 25:51
  is
• 25:51
  mainstreaming
• 25:51
  prediction
• 25:52
  markets.
• 25:53
  Like
• 25:53
  we're
• 25:53
  completely
• 25:54
  schizophrenic
• 25:55
  on
• 25:55
  the
• 25:55
  message
• 25:55
  that
• 25:56
  we
• 25:56
  send
• 25:56
  to
• 25:56
  the
• 25:56
  culture,
• 25:57
  to
• 25:57
  our
• 25:57
  kids.
• 25:58
  Do
• 25:58
  you
• 25:58
  know
• 25:58
  what
• 25:58
  I'm
• 25:58
  saying?
• 25:59
  Like
• 25:59
  if
• 26:00
  you're
• 26:00
  under
• 26:00
  18.
• 26:01
  If
• 26:01
  you're
• 26:01
  under
• 26:02
  18,
• 26:02
  you
• 26:03
  know,
• 26:03
  we
• 26:03
  want
• 26:03
  to
• 26:04
  act
• 26:04
  like
• 26:04
  it's
• 26:04
  Mr.
• 26:05
  Rogers
• 26:05
  neighborhood
• 26:06
  and
• 26:06
  the
• 26:06
  second
• 26:06
  you
• 26:06
  turn
• 26:06
  18.
• 26:08
  Yeah,
• 26:08
  no,
• 26:08
  it's
• 26:08
  only
• 26:09
  sign
• 26:09
  up
• 26:09
  for
• 26:09
  Polymarket
• 26:10
  and
• 26:10
  Couchy
• 26:11
  and
• 26:12
  only
• 26:12
  fans
• 26:12
  and
• 26:12
  stuff
• 26:13
  like
• 26:13
  that.
• 26:13
  It's,
• 26:14
  it's.
• 26:14
  The
• 26:14
  dichotomy
• 26:15
  is
• 26:15
  bizarre.
• 26:16
  Right?
• 26:16
  Yeah,
• 26:17
  yeah,
• 26:17
  but,
• 26:17
  but,
• 26:18
  but
• 26:18
  you
• 26:18
  know,
• 26:19
  the,
• 26:19
  the
• 26:19
  thing
• 26:19
  to
• 26:20
  me
• 26:20
  is
• 26:20
  that
• 26:23
  so,
• 26:23
  you
• 26:23
  know,
• 26:25
  handing
• 26:25
  game
• 26:26
  development
• 26:26
  over
• 26:26
  to
• 26:26
  creators
• 26:27
  creates
• 26:29
  those
• 26:29
  risks
• 26:29
  as
• 26:30
  well.
• 26:30
  But
• 26:30
  I
• 26:30
  think
• 26:30
  that
• 26:31
  where
• 26:31
  we're
• 26:31
  headed
• 26:32
  is
• 26:32
  a
• 26:32
  more
• 26:32
  egalitarian
• 26:33
  form
• 26:33
  of
• 26:34
  game
• 26:34
  development.
• 26:35
  If
• 26:35
  you
• 26:35
  want
• 26:35
  to
• 26:35
  be
• 26:35
  a
• 26:36
  game
• 26:36
  developer,
• 26:36
  you're
• 26:37
  not
• 26:37
  going
• 26:37
  to
• 26:37
  come
• 26:37
  up
• 26:38
  like
• 26:38
  a
• 26:39
  lot
• 26:39
  of
• 26:39
  us
• 26:39
  came
• 26:39
  up,
• 26:40
  which
• 26:40
  is
• 26:40
  like,
• 26:41
  you
• 26:41
  know,
• 26:41
  you
• 26:41
  go
• 26:42
  work,
• 26:42
  you
• 26:42
  go
• 26:42
  get
• 26:43
  some
• 26:43
  job
• 26:43
  in
• 26:43
  a
• 26:43
  studio
• 26:44
  or
• 26:44
  maybe
• 26:44
  you
• 26:44
  work
• 26:44
  in
• 26:45
  QA
• 26:45
  and
• 26:45
  then
• 26:45
  you
• 26:46
  kind
• 26:46
  of
• 26:46
  work
• 26:46
  or
• 26:46
  you
• 26:46
  work
• 26:47
  in,
• 26:47
  you
• 26:47
  know,
• 26:48
  moderation
• 26:48
  or
• 26:48
  something.
• 26:49
  And
• 26:49
  work
• 26:49
  your
• 26:49
  way
• 26:49
  up.
• 26:49
  It's
• 26:50
  going
• 26:50
  to
• 26:50
  be
• 26:50
  that
• 26:50
  you
• 26:51
  vibe
• 26:51
  coded
• 26:51
  something
• 26:52
  and
• 26:52
  you
• 26:52
  put
• 26:53
  it
• 26:53
  out
• 26:53
  there
• 26:53
  and
• 26:53
  you
• 26:54
  got
• 26:54
  some
• 26:54
  traction
• 26:54
  and
• 26:54
  people
• 26:55
  noticed
• 26:55
  it
• 26:55
  and,
• 26:57
  and
• 26:57
  you
• 26:58
  know,
• 26:58
  more
• 26:58
  of
• 26:58
  kind
• 26:59
  of
• 26:59
  the
• 26:59
  way
• 26:59
  I
• 27:00
  would
• 27:00
  imagine
• 27:00
  that
• 27:00
  the
• 27:01
  YouTube
• 27:01
  to
• 27:01
  Hollywood
• 27:02
  kind
• 27:02
  of
• 27:02
  pipeline.
• 27:03
  Right.
• 27:04
  You
• 27:05
  know,
• 27:06
  I'm
• 27:07
  a
• 27:07
  YouTuber
• 27:07
  and
• 27:07
  I
• 27:07
  learned
• 27:08
  to
• 27:08
  edit
• 27:08
  and
• 27:08
  that's
• 27:08
  how
• 27:08
  I
• 27:09
  got
• 27:09
  my
• 27:09
  editing
• 27:09
  skills.
• 27:10
  And
• 27:10
  maybe
• 27:10
  I
• 27:10
  went
• 27:10
  to
• 27:10
  college
• 27:11
  and
• 27:11
  maybe
• 27:11
  I
• 27:11
  didn't.
• 27:12
  And
• 27:12
  so
• 27:12
  I
• 27:12
  just
• 27:13
  think
• 27:13
  that,
• 27:13
  that
• 27:14
  Roblox
• 27:14
  is
• 27:14
  the
• 27:14
  big
• 27:15
  disruptor.
• 27:15
  You
• 27:15
  know,
• 27:16
  I
• 27:16
  mean
• 27:16
  there's
• 27:16
  really,
• 27:16
  if
• 27:16
  you
• 27:17
  read
• 27:17
  Matthew
• 27:17
  Ball's
• 27:17
  report,
• 27:18
  there's
• 27:19
  sort
• 27:19
  of
• 27:19
  two
• 27:19
  big
• 27:20
  things
• 27:21
  that
• 27:21
  are
• 27:21
  impacting
• 27:23
  gaming
• 27:23
  right
• 27:24
  now.
• 27:24
  And
• 27:24
  it's,
• 27:24
  it's
• 27:25
  Roblox
• 27:25
  and
• 27:25
  it's
• 27:26
  China.
• 27:26
  And
• 27:27
  you
• 27:27
  know,
• 27:27
  China
• 27:27
  is
• 27:28
  a
• 27:28
  whole
• 27:28
  other
• 27:28
  kind
• 27:28
  of
• 27:29
  rabbit
• 27:29
  hole
• 27:29
  we
• 27:29
  could
• 27:29
  go
• 27:30
  into.
• 27:30
  But
• 27:31
  you
• 27:31
  know,
• 27:31
  from
• 27:31
  a
• 27:32
  Western
• 27:32
  perspective,
• 27:33
  the
• 27:34
  big
• 27:34
  disruptor
• 27:34
  in
• 27:35
  gaming
• 27:35
  is
• 27:35
  Roblox.
• 27:36
  And
• 27:36
  I,
• 27:36
  I,
• 27:37
  I
• 27:37
  only
• 27:37
  expect
• 27:37
  that
• 27:38
  to
• 27:38
  continue.
• 27:39
  And
• 27:39
  I
• 27:39
  think,
• 27:40
  and
• 27:40
  I
• 27:40
  think
• 27:42
  what's
• 27:42
  that?
• 27:43
  I
• 27:43
  said
• 27:43
  I
• 27:43
  think
• 27:43
  a
• 27:43
  wise
• 27:44
  woman
• 27:44
  said
• 27:44
  that
• 27:44
  on
• 27:45
  a
• 27:45
  podcast
• 27:46
  a
• 27:46
  few
• 27:46
  years
• 27:46
  ago
• 27:47
  and
• 27:47
  many.
• 27:47
  Yeah,
• 27:47
  she's
• 27:48
  right,
• 27:48
  I
• 27:48
  said
• 27:49
  it.
• 27:53
  Where
• 27:53
  they're
• 27:54
  headed
• 27:54
  with
• 27:54
  AI
• 27:59
  Happen
• 27:59
  to
• 28:00
  where
• 28:00
  they're
• 28:00
  headed
• 28:01
  with
• 28:01
  AI,
• 28:02
  right?
• 28:02
  On
• 28:03
  Roblox,
• 28:04
  Dave
• 28:05
  announced
• 28:07
  that
• 28:07
  they're
• 28:07
  doing
• 28:07
  an
• 28:07
  mcp,
• 28:08
  which
• 28:08
  is
• 28:08
  Model
• 28:09
  Context
• 28:09
  Protocol.
• 28:09
  It's
• 28:10
  a
• 28:10
  way
• 28:10
  to,
• 28:11
  to
• 28:12
  integrate
• 28:12
  AI
• 28:13
  with.
• 28:14
  Yeah,
• 28:14
  and
• 28:15
  you
• 28:15
  can
• 28:15
  generate
• 28:16
  models
• 28:17
  like
• 28:17
  that
• 28:17
  now
• 28:18
  you'll
• 28:19
  be
• 28:19
  able
• 28:19
  to
• 28:19
  generate
• 28:20
  code,
• 28:21
  whole
• 28:21
  games,
• 28:21
  all
• 28:22
  that
• 28:22
  kind
• 28:22
  of
• 28:22
  stuff.
• 28:23
  I
• 28:23
  think
• 28:24
  that
• 28:24
  the
• 28:24
  different,
• 28:25
  there
• 28:25
  are
• 28:25
  architectural
• 28:26
  reasons
• 28:27
  that
• 28:27
  I
• 28:27
  could
• 28:27
  go
• 28:27
  into
• 28:28
  that.
• 28:28
  It's
• 28:28
  going
• 28:28
  to
• 28:28
  be
• 28:28
  difficult
• 28:29
  for
• 28:30
  Unreal
• 28:31
  or
• 28:31
  Unity
• 28:32
  in
• 28:32
  their
• 28:32
  current
• 28:32
  form
• 28:33
  to
• 28:34
  incorporate
• 28:35
  AI
• 28:35
  at
• 28:36
  the
• 28:36
  level
• 28:36
  that
• 28:36
  Roblox
• 28:37
  is.
• 28:38
  And
• 28:38
  so
• 28:38
  I
• 28:38
  think
• 28:38
  that
• 28:39
  Roblox
• 28:40
  is
• 28:40
  almost
• 28:41
  uniquely
• 28:42
  benefited
• 28:42
  at
• 28:43
  technologically
• 28:45
  or
• 28:45
  uniquely
• 28:46
  situated
• 28:47
  from
• 28:47
  a
• 28:47
  technology
• 28:47
  standpoint
• 28:48
  to
• 28:48
  benefit
• 28:49
  from
• 28:49
  AI.
• 28:50
  And
• 28:51
  so
• 28:51
  I
• 28:51
  think
• 28:51
  that
• 28:52
  that
• 28:52
  plus
• 28:52
  the
• 28:52
  creator
• 28:53
  monetization,
• 28:54
  I
• 28:54
  mean
• 28:54
  one
• 28:54
  thing
• 28:55
  I've
• 28:56
  learned
• 28:56
  in
• 28:56
  Web3
• 28:57
  is
• 28:58
  that,
• 28:58
  you
• 28:58
  know,
• 28:59
  this
• 28:59
  generation,
• 29:00
  they
• 29:00
  understand
• 29:01
  that
• 29:01
  when
• 29:02
  they're
• 29:02
  creating
• 29:02
  content.
• 29:03
  See,
• 29:03
  when
• 29:04
  we
• 29:04
  were
• 29:04
  doing,
• 29:05
  when
• 29:06
  we
• 29:06
  were
• 29:06
  doing
• 29:06
  Club
• 29:06
  Penguin
• 29:07
  or
• 29:07
  a
• 29:07
  lot
• 29:07
  of
• 29:07
  games
• 29:07
  of
• 29:07
  that
• 29:08
  era,
• 29:08
  community
• 29:09
  was
• 29:09
  something
• 29:09
  you
• 29:10
  got
• 29:10
  for
• 29:10
  free,
• 29:11
  right?
• 29:11
  So
• 29:12
  it
• 29:12
  was
• 29:12
  like,
• 29:12
  I
• 29:12
  make
• 29:12
  a
• 29:13
  good
• 29:13
  game
• 29:13
  and
• 29:13
  of
• 29:13
  course
• 29:13
  there's
• 29:14
  a
• 29:14
  community
• 29:15
  and
• 29:15
  they
• 29:15
  just,
• 29:16
  that
• 29:16
  just
• 29:16
  happens,
• 29:17
  right?
• 29:18
  And
• 29:19
  over
• 29:19
  time
• 29:20
  people
• 29:20
  figured
• 29:20
  out,
• 29:20
  wait
• 29:21
  a
• 29:21
  second,
• 29:21
  I'm,
• 29:21
  I'm,
• 29:22
  I'm
• 29:22
  creating
• 29:23
  a
• 29:23
  lot
• 29:23
  of
• 29:23
  value
• 29:23
  for
• 29:23
  these
• 29:24
  games.
• 29:25
  How
• 29:25
  do
• 29:25
  I
• 29:25
  benefit
• 29:26
  from
• 29:26
  this?
• 29:26
  Right?
• 29:27
  And
• 29:27
  by
• 29:27
  the
• 29:27
  way,
• 29:27
  this,
• 29:28
  this
• 29:28
  is
• 29:28
  becoming
• 29:29
  not
• 29:29
  just
• 29:29
  a
• 29:29
  hobby,
• 29:30
  but
• 29:30
  kind
• 29:30
  of
• 29:30
  a
• 29:30
  second
• 29:31
  job.
• 29:32
  I'd
• 29:32
  like
• 29:32
  to
• 29:32
  be
• 29:32
  able
• 29:32
  to
• 29:32
  make
• 29:32
  some
• 29:33
  money.
• 29:34
  And
• 29:34
  as
• 29:34
  the
• 29:35
  creator
• 29:35
  economy
• 29:37
  starts
• 29:38
  to
• 29:38
  happen,
• 29:38
  because
• 29:38
  a
• 29:38
  lot
• 29:38
  of
• 29:39
  these
• 29:39
  kids
• 29:39
  also
• 29:39
  grew
• 29:40
  up
• 29:40
  aspiring
• 29:40
  to
• 29:41
  be
• 29:41
  a
• 29:41
  YouTuber
• 29:42
  or
• 29:42
  TikTok
• 29:42
  or
• 29:42
  whatever,
• 29:44
  they
• 29:44
  think
• 29:44
  with
• 29:44
  that
• 29:45
  psychology
• 29:45
  and
• 29:46
  now
• 29:46
  that
• 29:46
  they
• 29:46
  can
• 29:46
  do
• 29:46
  that
• 29:46
  in
• 29:47
  gaming,
• 29:47
  I
• 29:48
  think
• 29:48
  that
• 29:48
  approach
• 29:49
  is
• 29:49
  going
• 29:49
  to
• 29:50
  be
• 29:50
  kind
• 29:50
  of
• 29:50
  the
• 29:50
  primary
• 29:51
  approach
• 29:51
  that
• 29:51
  people
• 29:51
  come
• 29:52
  to
• 29:52
  the
• 29:52
  games
• 29:52
  industry,
• 29:54
  that's
• 29:55
  where
• 29:55
  they're
• 29:55
  going
• 29:55
  to
• 29:55
  start.
• 29:57
  And
• 29:57
  so
• 29:57
  the
• 29:58
  creator
• 29:58
  economy
• 29:59
  plus
• 29:59
  AI,
• 30:00
  plus
• 30:00
  this,
• 30:01
  plus
• 30:01
  the
• 30:02
  fact
• 30:02
  that
• 30:02
  Roblox
• 30:02
  is
• 30:03
  a
• 30:03
  cloud
• 30:04
  gaming
• 30:04
  platform,
• 30:05
  not
• 30:05
  a
• 30:06
  client
• 30:07
  side
• 30:08
  platform,
• 30:09
  which
• 30:09
  I
• 30:09
  think
• 30:10
  the.
• 30:10
  Is
• 30:11
  one
• 30:11
  of
• 30:11
  the
• 30:11
  big
• 30:11
  architectural
• 30:12
  problems
• 30:12
  with
• 30:12
  a
• 30:12
  lot
• 30:13
  of
• 30:13
  the
• 30:13
  game
• 30:14
  engines
• 30:14
  is
• 30:14
  they're
• 30:14
  still.
• 30:15
  Or
• 30:15
  they're
• 30:15
  still.
• 30:16
  There's
• 30:17
  still
• 30:17
  artifacts
• 30:18
  of
• 30:19
  package
• 30:19
  software
• 30:20
  and
• 30:21
  like
• 30:21
  downloaded
• 30:22
  stuff.
• 30:22
  And
• 30:23
  so
• 30:24
  the
• 30:24
  fact
• 30:24
  that
• 30:24
  Roblox
• 30:25
  is
• 30:25
  a
• 30:25
  social
• 30:25
  network.
• 30:26
  Right.
• 30:26
  And
• 30:26
  has
• 30:27
  social
• 30:28
  effects
• 30:28
  like
• 30:28
  a
• 30:29
  TikTok
• 30:29
  or
• 30:29
  an
• 30:29
  Instagram
• 30:30
  or
• 30:30
  whatever,
• 30:31
  all
• 30:31
  of
• 30:31
  those
• 30:32
  things
• 30:33
  just
• 30:33
  kind
• 30:33
  of
• 30:33
  make
• 30:34
  it
• 30:34
  evolutionarily
• 30:35
  more
• 30:36
  adapted
• 30:37
  to
• 30:37
  where
• 30:37
  the
• 30:38
  future
• 30:38
  is
• 30:38
  going
• 30:39
  in
• 30:39
  gaming.
• 30:39
  And
• 30:40
  I
• 30:40
  think
• 30:41
  that,
• 30:41
  I
• 30:41
  mean,
• 30:41
  Chris,
• 30:42
  I
• 30:42
  think
• 30:42
  kind
• 30:42
  of
• 30:43
  you
• 30:44
  kind
• 30:44
  of
• 30:44
  what
• 30:44
  you
• 30:44
  put
• 30:44
  your
• 30:44
  finger
• 30:45
  on
• 30:45
  there
• 30:45
  for
• 30:45
  me
• 30:46
  is
• 30:46
  that
• 30:47
  the.
• 30:47
  What
• 30:48
  I
• 30:48
  always
• 30:48
  thought
• 30:48
  was
• 30:48
  an
• 30:49
  obstacle
• 30:49
  for
• 30:50
  social
• 30:50
  gaming
• 30:51
  platforms
• 30:51
  was
• 30:52
  that
• 30:52
  unlike
• 30:52
  YouTube
• 30:53
  where
• 30:53
  you
• 30:53
  could
• 30:53
  literally
• 30:54
  just
• 30:54
  get
• 30:54
  your
• 30:54
  phone
• 30:55
  and
• 30:55
  video
• 30:55
  yourself
• 30:56
  and.
• 30:56
  And
• 30:56
  upload,
• 30:58
  took
• 30:58
  quite
• 30:58
  a
• 30:58
  lot
• 30:58
  of
• 30:59
  work
• 30:59
  to
• 30:59
  build
• 30:59
  your
• 30:59
  own
• 31:00
  game.
• 31:00
  But
• 31:00
  I
• 31:00
  think
• 31:00
  AI
• 31:01
  provides,
• 31:03
  provides
• 31:03
  the
• 31:04
  kind
• 31:04
  of
• 31:04
  the
• 31:04
  ability
• 31:04
  for
• 31:05
  everyone
• 31:05
  to
• 31:05
  become
• 31:06
  a
• 31:06
  game
• 31:06
  creator
• 31:06
  in
• 31:07
  a
• 31:07
  way
• 31:07
  that
• 31:07
  just
• 31:08
  wasn't
• 31:08
  kind
• 31:08
  of
• 31:09
  feasible
• 31:09
  before.
• 31:09
  So
• 31:10
  it
• 31:10
  really,
• 31:10
  it
• 31:11
  really
• 31:11
  amplifies
• 31:12
  that
• 31:12
  platform
• 31:12
  for
• 31:13
  roadblocks.
• 31:14
  That
• 31:14
  this
• 31:15
  has
• 31:15
  been
• 31:15
  a
• 31:15
  kind
• 31:15
  of
• 31:15
  fascinating,
• 31:17
  fascinating
• 31:17
  discussion.
• 31:18
  Kind
• 31:18
  of
• 31:19
  sobering
• 31:21
  as
• 31:21
  well.
• 31:22
  Although
• 31:23
  I
• 31:23
  was
• 31:23
  wondering
• 31:24
  if
• 31:24
  in
• 31:24
  some
• 31:24
  ways
• 31:25
  it's
• 31:26
  something
• 31:26
  that
• 31:26
  we
• 31:26
  spoke
• 31:27
  about
• 31:27
  on
• 31:28
  a
• 31:28
  previous
• 31:28
  podcast,
• 31:29
  that
• 31:30
  maybe
• 31:30
  the
• 31:30
  best
• 31:30
  way
• 31:31
  to
• 31:31
  safeguard
• 31:32
  children
• 31:32
  is
• 31:33
  rather
• 31:34
  to
• 31:34
  have
• 31:34
  a
• 31:34
  ban
• 31:35
  is
• 31:35
  just
• 31:35
  to
• 31:35
  make
• 31:36
  sure
• 31:36
  that
• 31:37
  platforms
• 31:37
  like
• 31:37
  Roblox
• 31:38
  are
• 31:38
  kind
• 31:38
  of
• 31:38
  responsible
• 31:39
  in
• 31:40
  terms
• 31:40
  of
• 31:40
  the
• 31:40
  moderation
• 31:41
  because
• 31:42
  that's
• 31:42
  safer
• 31:42
  than
• 31:43
  kids
• 31:43
  having
• 31:43
  a
• 31:43
  VPN
• 31:44
  and
• 31:45
  then
• 31:45
  going
• 31:46
  onto
• 31:46
  those
• 31:46
  platforms
• 31:49
  that
• 31:49
  way
• 31:50
  really.
• 31:50
  So
• 31:51
  it
• 31:52
  made
• 31:52
  me
• 31:52
  think
• 31:52
  that
• 31:52
  it's
• 31:53
  kind
• 31:53
  of
• 31:53
  more
• 31:53
  responsible
• 31:53
  way.
• 31:54
  I
• 31:54
  think
• 31:54
  it's
• 31:55
  also
• 31:55
  with
• 31:55
  AI,
• 31:56
  you
• 31:56
  can,
• 31:56
  you
• 31:57
  can
• 31:58
  keep
• 31:59
  the
• 31:59
  parents
• 31:59
  more
• 31:59
  informed
• 32:00
  of
• 32:00
  what
• 32:00
  their
• 32:01
  kids
• 32:01
  are
• 32:01
  doing
• 32:02
  than
• 32:02
  ever
• 32:02
  before.
• 32:04
  And
• 32:04
  I
• 32:05
  think
• 32:05
  that
• 32:05
  you
• 32:05
  have
• 32:06
  to.
• 32:06
  You,
• 32:06
  we
• 32:07
  have
• 32:07
  to
• 32:07
  empower
• 32:07
  parents
• 32:08
  to.
• 32:09
  They
• 32:09
  are
• 32:10
  our
• 32:10
  distributed
• 32:11
  moderation
• 32:11
  force.
• 32:12
  Right?
• 32:13
  Yep.
• 32:13
  And
• 32:14
  they
• 32:14
  need
• 32:14
  to
• 32:14
  know
• 32:14
  what
• 32:15
  their
• 32:15
  kids
• 32:15
  are
• 32:15
  doing
• 32:16
  and,
• 32:17
  and
• 32:17
  you
• 32:18
  know,
• 32:18
  without
• 32:18
  tattletailing
• 32:19
  on
• 32:19
  the
• 32:19
  kid
• 32:20
  every
• 32:20
  five
• 32:20
  seconds.
• 32:21
  Like
• 32:21
  they
• 32:22
  need
• 32:22
  to
• 32:22
  know
• 32:22
  if
• 32:22
  their
• 32:22
  kid,
• 32:23
  if
• 32:23
  something
• 32:23
  happened.
• 32:24
  You
• 32:24
  know,
• 32:26
  I
• 32:26
  have
• 32:26
  a
• 32:26
  friend
• 32:26
  who,
• 32:27
  you
• 32:27
  know,
• 32:28
  contacted
• 32:28
  me
• 32:28
  because
• 32:28
  her
• 32:29
  daughter
• 32:29
  lost
• 32:29
  her
• 32:30
  account
• 32:30
  because
• 32:30
  some
• 32:31
  kids
• 32:32
  she
• 32:32
  brought,
• 32:33
  you
• 32:33
  know,
• 32:34
  met
• 32:34
  online
• 32:36
  stole
• 32:36
  her
• 32:36
  account
• 32:37
  and
• 32:37
  stole
• 32:38
  all
• 32:38
  her
• 32:38
  stuff
• 32:39
  and,
• 32:40
  and
• 32:40
  probably
• 32:40
  sold
• 32:41
  her
• 32:41
  account.
• 32:41
  And,
• 32:43
  you
• 32:43
  know,
• 32:44
  that
• 32:46
  that
• 32:46
  was
• 32:46
  the
• 32:46
  first
• 32:46
  time
• 32:47
  she
• 32:47
  really,
• 32:48
  up
• 32:48
  until
• 32:49
  then,
• 32:49
  she'd
• 32:49
  just
• 32:49
  been
• 32:49
  giving
• 32:49
  her
• 32:50
  kid
• 32:50
  gift
• 32:50
  cards.
• 32:50
  Right.
• 32:51
  And,
• 32:52
  and,
• 32:53
  you
• 32:53
  know,
• 32:53
  I
• 32:53
  sort
• 32:53
  of,
• 32:54
  she
• 32:54
  asked
• 32:54
  me
• 32:54
  what
• 32:54
  to
• 32:54
  do
• 32:54
  about
• 32:54
  it.
• 32:55
  I
• 32:55
  sort
• 32:55
  of
• 32:55
  gave
• 32:55
  her
• 32:55
  some
• 32:55
  advice.
• 32:56
  But
• 32:56
  I
• 32:56
  said,
• 32:56
  look,
• 32:56
  you
• 32:56
  need
• 32:57
  to,
• 32:58
  you
• 32:58
  know,
• 32:58
  if
• 32:58
  your
• 32:59
  kid's
• 32:59
  gonna
• 32:59
  be
• 32:59
  on
• 32:59
  a
• 32:59
  platform
• 33:00
  like
• 33:00
  that,
• 33:00
  you,
• 33:00
  you,
• 33:01
  you
• 33:01
  need
• 33:01
  to
• 33:02
  monitor
• 33:02
  what's
• 33:02
  going
• 33:02
  on
• 33:03
  because
• 33:04
  don't.
• 33:05
  You
• 33:05
  can't
• 33:05
  just
• 33:06
  rely
• 33:06
  on
• 33:07
  some
• 33:07
  corporation
• 33:07
  to
• 33:08
  catch
• 33:08
  it.
• 33:08
  They've
• 33:09
  got
• 33:09
  millions.
• 33:09
  Yeah,
• 33:09
  yeah,
• 33:10
  you've
• 33:10
  got
• 33:10
  one.
• 33:11
  Yeah.
• 33:11
  You
• 33:11
  know
• 33:11
  what
• 33:11
  I
• 33:12
  mean?
• 33:12
  Yeah,
• 33:12
  yeah.
• 33:12
  I,
• 33:13
  I
• 33:13
  mean,
• 33:13
  I
• 33:13
  think.
• 33:13
  Yeah,
• 33:14
  and
• 33:14
  that's
• 33:14
  a
• 33:14
  kind
• 33:14
  of
• 33:14
  very
• 33:15
  powerful
• 33:15
  point,
• 33:16
  I
• 33:16
  think.
• 33:17
  I
• 33:17
  mean,
• 33:17
  we
• 33:17
  could
• 33:17
  probably
• 33:18
  talk
• 33:19
  for
• 33:19
  another
• 33:19
  hour
• 33:20
  quite
• 33:20
  easily,
• 33:20
  but.
• 33:21
  But
• 33:22
  I
• 33:22
  know
• 33:22
  that's
• 33:23
  been
• 33:23
  a
• 33:23
  really
• 33:23
  fascinating
• 33:24
  discussion.
• 33:24
  Thanks
• 33:25
  so
• 33:25
  much
• 33:25
  for
• 33:25
  that,
• 33:25
  Chris.
• 33:26
  Well,
• 33:26
  thank
• 33:26
  you
• 33:26
  guys.
• 33:27
  Really
• 33:27
  appreciate
• 33:27
  it.
• 33:28
  Thank
• 33:29
  you.
• 33:29
  That
• 33:29
  was
• 33:29
  awesome.
• 33:29
  Chris
• 33:30
  really
• 33:30
  loved
• 33:31
  it.
• 33:31
  So,
• 33:31
  so
• 33:31
  much
• 33:32
  more
• 33:32
  to
• 33:32
  say.
• 33:32
  We'll.
• 33:33
  We'll
• 33:33
  repeat.
• 33:34
  Well,
• 33:34
  yeah,
• 33:34
  we'll
• 33:34
  have
• 33:35
  to
• 33:35
  get
• 33:35
  you
• 33:35
  back
• 33:35
  for
• 33:35
  a
• 33:35
  second
• 33:36
  episode.
• 33:36
  Yeah,
• 33:37
  happy
• 33:37
  to
• 33:37
  do
• 33:37
  it.
• 33:39
  Amazing.
• 33:40
  Beautiful.
• 33:40
  Take
• 33:41
  care.
• 33:41
  Great.
• 33:42
  Thanks
• 33:42
  very
• 33:43
  much.
• 33:43
  I'll
• 33:44
  do
• 33:44
  a
• 33:44
  quick
• 33:44
  sign
• 33:44
  off.
• 33:45
  So
• 33:45
  thanks
• 33:45
  to
• 33:46
  Chris
• 33:46
  for
• 33:47
  being
• 33:47
  a
• 33:47
  fantastic
• 33:48
  guest
• 33:48
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• 33:49
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• 33:49
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• 33:49
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• 33:49
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• 33:50
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• 33:50
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