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Breaking Down The Variables For Ohio State vs. Michigan · Buckeyes TomOrrow Morning

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Speaker 1: as we count down to kickoff noon on Saturdays. Buckeyes
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Speaker 1: and Wolverines, It's a game you wait for all year.
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Speaker 1: It is finally almost here. Today, I'm gonna let you
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Speaker 1: hear from someone else. You've heard me talk plenty this
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Speaker 1: week about this game. I'm gonna let you hear a
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Speaker 1: little bit from Chuck. He hosts Buckeye Huddle Primetime on
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Speaker 1: Mondays and Wednesday nights. He had a show earlier this
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Speaker 1: week on some of the variables that could decide this
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Speaker 1: weekend's game. If you enjoyed this one, make sure you
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Speaker 1: get at wherever you get Buckeyes tomorrow morning, and also
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Speaker 1: make sure you could join him Monday and Wednesday nights
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Speaker 1: during the season. He talk of Buck Eyes with Juck.
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Speaker 2: Hey, it's Chuck. We are not bemoaning the noon kickoff.
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Speaker 2: We're now owning it. It's a badge of honor. We're
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Speaker 2: the lunatic fringe that defines our coaches legacy when it
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Speaker 2: comes to this game. They don't get to define that
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Speaker 2: outside the family who were cut from a different cloth.
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Speaker 2: Bro Hiowan's he's got it all, man. He's even got
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Speaker 2: the jaw. You know the jaw. You see that jaw
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Speaker 2: and you're just like, yeah, man, that's a dude. Do
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Speaker 2: I want Michigan to beat Oklahoma? No way in hell.
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Speaker 2: I don't know what world I'm living in. This is
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Speaker 2: insane to me. And if you saw my outburst, I apologize.
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Speaker 2: It's showtime now. It is showtime and welcome into Bucke
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Speaker 2: Huddle Primetime. Appreciate you so much for joining us for
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Speaker 2: a Monday edition of Bucke Huddle Primetime. Of course, we
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Speaker 2: are here every Monday and Wednesday at eight pm talking
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Speaker 2: Ohio State football, talking college football, always live and interactive.
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Speaker 2: Joining us tonight, my man, Tony Gerdaman, I think the
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Speaker 2: only guest we've ever had, I think, making his third appearance, Tony.
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Speaker 2: Good evening, my friend.
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Speaker 3: Good evening, Chuck, and I'll just let the people know
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Speaker 3: what I've got here. Some of my favorite moments this season.
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Speaker 3: Every Tuesday, when you're there at interviews with Ryan Day afterwards,
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Speaker 3: somebody from the Beat comes up. It's like, Chuck, I'd
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Speaker 3: like to introduce myself and they bow at you, and
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Speaker 3: you're meeting so many new people. And then this week
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Speaker 3: I get a text, Hey, film Maddingly from CNN wants
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Speaker 3: to be on my show.
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Speaker 2: I was like, who are you? Like?
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Speaker 3: Major national CNN. This guy's talking about the presidency like
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Speaker 3: a year ago, and I's like, I want to talk
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Speaker 3: about Michigan and Ohio State. And it's like, all right, whatever,
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Speaker 3: I don't know what world this is.
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Speaker 2: Hey man, You'll always be the king of cool in
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Speaker 2: my world. Tony. That's all the matters, Buddy, Tell them
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Speaker 2: it is the week, my man, and you've been jamming
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Speaker 2: you've been rocking and rolling. My gosh, I think I've
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Speaker 2: seen five new Bucket Huddle podcasts hit the air today,
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Speaker 2: all with you and Tom behind him. And we got
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Speaker 2: something planned on Friday as well. What are we doing Friday.
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Speaker 3: Let's let the folks know, Well, we are trying to
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Speaker 3: work out a kind of a marathon live stream from
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Speaker 3: the time that we get to ann Arbor for the
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Speaker 3: team arrival, we'll be doing something live there and that'll
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Speaker 3: be at YouTube dot com slash bucke Huddle, and then
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Speaker 3: we would hand that off to perhaps you and Mark
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Speaker 3: Mark Mark Givler, and you guys can handle that for
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Speaker 3: an hour before we get back from the team hotel
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Speaker 3: to our lovely hotel somewhere in Lavonia, and then take
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Speaker 3: it back over for a couple of hours. So maybe
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Speaker 3: maybe something like a four hour show on a Friday
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Speaker 3: talking about after work. Of course, you know ish talking
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Speaker 3: about Ohio State, Michigan, and you know, you can lay
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Speaker 3: out all all of your concerns and your anxieties and
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Speaker 3: your well wishes and all sorts.
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Speaker 2: Of things like that sounds fantastic, and yes, we want
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Speaker 2: to keep you know, we know you guys want to
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Speaker 2: talk as much as you can or hear as much
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Speaker 2: as you can about the game. It's obviously a massive
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Speaker 2: week before we get into that matchup. I do want
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Speaker 2: to hit on a couple of things from that Rutgers game.
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Speaker 2: I think that's two weeks in a row that we've
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Speaker 2: seen the offensive line look a lot better than they
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Speaker 2: did against Wisconsin and then Purdue, And even though it
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Speaker 2: was two pretty poor rushing defenses, it seems to me
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Speaker 2: like when we look at these running backs, they're all
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Speaker 2: finally hitting a little bit of a mojo, a little
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Speaker 2: bit more mistackles forced, a little bit more creating on
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Speaker 2: their own, whereas earlier on in the season it was
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Speaker 2: just you know, we're gonna we're gonna get what's blocked
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Speaker 2: up for us, and that's pretty much it except for
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Speaker 2: a rare occasion. Now it feels like you got bo
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Speaker 2: looking more explosive. He's cutting back, kind of freelancing, a
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Speaker 2: lot more running, running into space. Isaiah's consistently consistently producing,
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Speaker 2: kind of quietly. James Peoples is now three weeks in
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Speaker 2: a row looking like just a totally different guy running
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Speaker 2: the ball out there, and part of me wants to
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Speaker 2: get really excited. Part of me is trying to say
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Speaker 2: tampered down. It might be a little bit of fool's
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Speaker 2: goal based on what you're playing here, But when it
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Speaker 2: comes down to it, Tony making a guy miss is
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Speaker 2: making a guy miss making a misforced tackle. That's that's
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Speaker 2: doing it on your own. And these are all quality
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Speaker 2: football players. Yes, commatically, these guys may not be great upfront.
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Speaker 2: The offensive line may be blowing them back a little
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Speaker 2: more up front, but I feel like the backs are
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Speaker 2: the difference here, and I think that what we're seeing
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Speaker 2: is real with this rushing attack. What are your thoughts?
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Speaker 3: I think it's real. It doesn't mean they're going to
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Speaker 3: rush for two undred and fifty six yards against Michigan.
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Speaker 3: But Christine, stuff from the running backs that you haven't
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Speaker 3: seen before, like the the big cutback from Bow against
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Speaker 3: UCLA where he took it down to the one. We
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Speaker 3: haven't seen that before. Generally, he'll just keep running in
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Speaker 3: the direction that he's running, even this past week, picking
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Speaker 3: and choosing in between the hashes that we haven't really
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Speaker 3: necessarily seen from him. So you're seeing that patience, You're
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Speaker 3: seeing the vision come through. Isaiah West continues to be
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Speaker 3: like as you said, he'll make people miss. And then
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Speaker 3: you've seen James Peoples get to the edge. And I asked,
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Speaker 3: I asked Carson Hinsman this on last week, and I asked,
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Speaker 3: Will Cosmeric, basically, this uptick in the running game, how
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Speaker 3: do we know that's not just a product of the
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Speaker 3: defenses you guys have been playing, because you've not been
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Speaker 3: playing very good defenses. Because they also see it in practice.
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Speaker 3: And so if you're singing against the Ohio State defense,
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Speaker 3: I would imagine you're going to see it against UCLA
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Speaker 3: and Purdue and such and Rutgers. So I think that
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Speaker 3: is something to seriously consider. And as Ryan Day has
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Speaker 3: said all season long, the running backs are young. They
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Speaker 3: need opportunities. They just need experience. That way, they have
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Speaker 3: stuff that they can go back to, they can rely
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Speaker 3: on the experiences of just the comfort level. The more
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Speaker 3: comfortable you get, the better you're gonna get. And we're
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Speaker 3: seeing them now, I'd say they all seem pretty comfortable
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Speaker 3: and yeah, all making the most of their opportunities without
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Speaker 3: trying to do too much, which I think the key
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Speaker 3: is the success. That's the key to success as a whole.
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Speaker 3: You may only get six carries, don't try to get
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Speaker 3: two thousand yards out of them. Just get what you
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Speaker 3: can do, what you do, make the most of them,
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Speaker 3: don't try to make too much of them.
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Speaker 2: You do something I just find torturists to even think about.
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Speaker 2: Watch every single Michigan game and report on it on
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Speaker 2: your Michigan Monday podcast. What do you make of where
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Speaker 2: that rush defense is at right now?
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Speaker 3: You know, I don't know that they've faced too many
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Speaker 3: good running teams. The two best run performances against them
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Speaker 3: this year have been Oklahoma and USC. They lost those two. Now,
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Speaker 3: I had about seventy five yards of rushing out of
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Speaker 3: Oklahoma quarterback John Mattier. You're not going to get that
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Speaker 3: out of Julian saying. But the two teams that have
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Speaker 3: been able to run on them consistently have beaten them,
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Speaker 3: and the other offenses they faced have not really been
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Speaker 3: all that good. They started out this past week against Maryland.
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Speaker 3: Maryland ripped off a twenty yard run like right at
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Speaker 3: Jayshon Barham, and then their next twenty four carries went
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Speaker 3: for a total of fifty one yards, and that included
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Speaker 3: a twenty three yard scramble from quarterback in Leakue, Washington.
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Speaker 3: So they're good. I don't think they're great. I just
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Speaker 3: think it's maybe it's a little bit like when you
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Speaker 3: look at Ohio State schedule, who they ain't played nobody, Paul.
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Speaker 3: I don't know how many good running games that Michigan
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Speaker 3: has played this year. I think they did.
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Speaker 2: They play.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, they played in Nebraska. We know Nebraska has been
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Speaker 3: able to run the ball, and I think they did
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Speaker 3: fairly well there. But you kind of see some sneaky
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Speaker 3: yards at times, and then they'll you know, Negate some
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Speaker 3: of those yards with sacks.
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Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, Well, speaking of the quarterback, the quarterback who
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Speaker 2: can't bust a move for the Buckeyes, we saw the
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Speaker 2: Lincoln package against Rutgers and they let him throw a
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Speaker 2: couple of times. The first one, you know, it was
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Speaker 2: pretty close still in the game early on on a
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Speaker 2: fourth and two and they motioned out three tight ends
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Speaker 2: out to the field and rolled the right handed quarterback
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Speaker 2: to the left. He had a wide open Jelani. He
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Speaker 2: missed him. He ended up dropping a dime kind of
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Speaker 2: off balance and hit Bennett Christian in the hands. He
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Speaker 2: drops it, got another opportunity to throw it a bi
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Speaker 2: and he was late and a little behind, but he's
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Speaker 2: coming in cold and man, that's a that's a tough
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Speaker 2: ass running the ball. He's just he's very explosive. I mean,
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Speaker 2: he really is. He's kind of everything everybody wanted to
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Speaker 2: see or was hoping we would see based on what
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Speaker 2: we had heard from the Devin Brown package a couple
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Speaker 2: of years ago. Devin Brown did not look like Lincoln
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Speaker 2: looks great running that ball. Man, that's a real athlete.
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Speaker 2: That's a top notch plus athlete. Are we seeing this
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Speaker 2: do you think as a smoke screen or do you
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Speaker 2: think we might actually see this in ann Arbor, Because
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Speaker 2: I think we're gonna see it.
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Speaker 3: You've spent too much time on it to not use it.
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Speaker 3: That's one of the things that Brian Day talks about,
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Speaker 3: where the plays that you see in a game, they
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Speaker 3: have practiced and practice and practice, and you've invested all
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Speaker 3: of that time, and so you'd like to use those
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Speaker 3: plays in situations. So I if the opportunity is there,
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Speaker 3: I think you'll see it it, especially if it's down
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Speaker 3: in the red zone. It gives them a numbers advantage.
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Speaker 3: He can still throw it. You said it like, he's
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Speaker 3: been pretty accurate. Being cold and some of the throes
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Speaker 3: he was asked to make last week were tough. Yeah,
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Speaker 3: And I don't know that you can necessarily see that,
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Speaker 3: like there's no reason to do what they were doing
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Speaker 3: with him and the odds circumstances against Rutgers, but like
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Speaker 3: second and three or first, you know, first and goal
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Speaker 3: from the three or other four, I don't see why not.
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Speaker 3: You just you've been using you've been practicing it, you've
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Speaker 3: been using it. You have to have the confidence that
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Speaker 3: you can do it. It gives them something, gives Michigan
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Speaker 3: something to worry about, but it gives you a kind
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Speaker 3: of a two way go with with Lincoln because you
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Speaker 3: can run or throw with him, and he's been effective
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Speaker 3: I think in the in the role.
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Speaker 2: You know, when I think about it, the times we've
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Speaker 2: seen him run this year, I don't know that he's
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Speaker 2: been stopped at all. Every time I think he's I
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Speaker 2: think he's got the first down or the touchdown, or
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Speaker 2: every time we've seen him run the ball. We do
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Speaker 2: have a super chat tone t K, Thank you so much. TK.
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Speaker 2: Has Tony been off Mike at any point today? Tony,
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Speaker 2: I've seen a lot roll in How many shows do
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Speaker 2: you think you've been on today. I don't think you
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Speaker 2: have been off Mike.
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Speaker 3: I think Tom and I have done four or five today.
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Speaker 3: Then I was on with the Bill and Doug for
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Speaker 3: their Around the Shoe show, and I've been off Mike
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Speaker 3: from a out I don't know two until seven ish
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Speaker 3: because I was running around doing Erond's and then found
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Speaker 3: some time to write Michigan Monday this week and then
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Speaker 3: here I am, and this will be the last thing.
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Speaker 2: I do.
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Speaker 3: You know, some tea with honey, maybe something eleven tea
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Speaker 3: with honey, because every year we do so many shows
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Speaker 3: and like by the Saturday of the game, I just
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Speaker 3: have to do sign language because I can't talk anymore.
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Speaker 2: You deserve that. You deserve that tea and honey. To
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Speaker 2: seven balls targeted to wide receivers in that game against
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Speaker 2: Rutgers based off the second half of that UCLA game
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Speaker 2: that did not look good with the wide receivers Julian
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Speaker 2: going five of eleven in that second half after Jeremiah
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Speaker 2: played just the first half. If you thought that your
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Speaker 2: star wide receivers might not be playing in the game,
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Speaker 2: don't you think that it would be all right? We're
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Speaker 2: gonna work on getting a little more chemistry with these
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Speaker 2: wide outs. I mean, sure, you want to work some
14:05
Speaker 2: chemistry with those tight ends. You've worked a lot with
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Speaker 2: those tight ends all year long. You've been playing tight ends,
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Speaker 2: heavy tight ends, and you've done everything with the tight ends.
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Speaker 2: We did it for five weeks, six weeks, until the
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Speaker 2: point where I don't know, man, I think they finally said,
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Speaker 2: all right, we'll switch it up. Here been tons of
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Speaker 2: work with them, not a ton of work or rotation
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Speaker 2: with the Bryson Rogers and Mylon Grahams's of the world,
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Speaker 2: and we didn't see that. That whole thing makes me
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Speaker 2: feel a little bit more confident in the fact that
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Speaker 2: we're at least gonna see Jeremiah on Saturday. What are
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Speaker 2: your thoughts on that?
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I would agree with that assessment because I also
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Speaker 3: think that what was the UCLA game, right, Ucla and
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Speaker 3: then Rutgers. That's the order UCLA game. You saw them
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Speaker 3: the back shoulders weren't working to the other non Carnell,
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Speaker 3: to Jeremiah Smith Unskuys. Yeah, and so I wonder how
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Speaker 3: much of that Julian saying is thinking in the next game, like, well,
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Speaker 3: that's not going to work, so I'll just stick with
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Speaker 3: the safer stuff, and you know you don't target the
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Speaker 3: receivers as much because it wasn't working the week before,
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Speaker 3: and then also knowing this is just a temporary thing anyway,
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Speaker 3: the Carnell and Jeremiah will be back, and then you
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Speaker 3: just operate his normal because I agree, if if you
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Speaker 3: don't think those guys are coming back, aren't you? Are
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Speaker 3: you trying to play Mylin Graham Or even though he
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Speaker 3: just sounded like he did not have it necessarily a
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Speaker 3: good week of practice or wasn't consistent enough, you've got
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Speaker 3: to do something to get some athletes out there. And
15:47
Speaker 3: you know, all credit to David Adolph in his time
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Speaker 3: at Ohio State, but even when he gets open, he's
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Speaker 3: had some drops through his career and his opportunities. So
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Speaker 3: it kind of exposed how thin the Buckeyes are without
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Speaker 3: their top two guys, and frankly without Quincy Porter as well.
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Speaker 3: I think he was missed. I wonder how much he
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Speaker 3: could do if he was healthy. Without those two.
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Speaker 2: It was pretty I don't want to say shocking. I mean,
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Speaker 2: I guess never really put a ton of thought, and
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Speaker 2: I just always assumed number one, that Bryson Rodgers was
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Speaker 2: someone who was right there with BI and could potentially
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Speaker 2: come in and really make it happen. And he did
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Speaker 2: make some things happen in the UCLA game. Didn't get
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Speaker 2: a target except for a pass interference in the UCLA
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Speaker 2: game or in the Rutgers game. But when you look
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Speaker 2: at Mylin, I mean, this is a guy who you know,
16:42
Speaker 2: a lot of people have been clamoring for all year long.
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Speaker 2: We want to see Mylin, we want to see Mylin.
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Speaker 2: Brandon Innis isn't explosive enough. I mean, we've seen it all.
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Speaker 2: We've talked about it on the boards over at buckehuddle
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Speaker 2: dot com. And aside from him not being a slot guy, whatever,
16:55
Speaker 2: you can make him a slock guy, you'd be a
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Speaker 2: really good slot guy. But it just fell well, I
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Speaker 2: don't know. I would have assumed that he was probably
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Speaker 2: pretty close and was at the point where now he
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Speaker 2: just needs some more on field reps. But when you
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Speaker 2: see him out there, it feels to me like he's
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Speaker 2: probably a little further away than that. And I do
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Speaker 2: think you're right, Quincy Porter being out Quincy seems to
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Speaker 2: me like so far on the field, he's been kind
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Speaker 2: of he's the most advanced at this point, which is
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Speaker 2: disappointing with Mylin. But based on what Ryan Day said
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Speaker 2: just a couple of weeks ago saying that he's been
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Speaker 2: practicing better. And you know, every time I hear that
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Speaker 2: for a guy who's you know, not a freshman, it's like, oh, okay,
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Speaker 2: I got you. And then based on what we saw
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Speaker 2: against UCLA and sitting the entire first half against Rutgers,
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Speaker 2: it doesn't seem like it's going swimmingly for Mylin.
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Speaker 3: Well, that was just a bizarre game because you could
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Speaker 3: have made the assumption that he was going to start
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Speaker 3: this past week without Carnell there. We've even seen him
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Speaker 3: in recent weeks playing out of the slot a little bit,
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Speaker 3: you know, he's at zee and then you also seeaw
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Speaker 3: him a little bit in the slot. So it's like, oh,
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Speaker 3: clearly he's advancing and they're targeting him, and no, he's
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Speaker 3: not coming down with those fifty to fifty balls like Carnell.
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Speaker 3: But when when you throw you know, a deep out
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Speaker 3: to him or you go outside to him, he's making catches.
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Speaker 3: He looks just fine, and then he's looking for something
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Speaker 3: to do after the catch as well. And just even
18:25
Speaker 3: up in the press box, we're all like Where's why
18:27
Speaker 3: is it Mylon playing? Where's Mylon? And and then you
18:31
Speaker 3: finally see him when Brandon Innis gets hurt, and that's
18:34
Speaker 3: the point where Brian Hartline or Devin Jordan, they're in
18:38
Speaker 3: the third quarter quarters find of like, okay, go in.
18:41
Speaker 3: So I'm wondering was he going to play at all
18:43
Speaker 3: if in this didn't go down with a little injury.
18:46
Speaker 3: And it's just just bizarre because you had thought that
18:50
Speaker 3: he was doing well and then one of the first
18:52
Speaker 3: questions was about him afterwards. And that's where Ryan Day's
18:56
Speaker 3: never gonna throw his players under a bus, and he's
18:58
Speaker 3: just you know, saying working on his consistency and you know,
19:02
Speaker 3: things of that nature, all of the kind of coach
19:04
Speaker 3: speak that you give where you kind of know the
19:06
Speaker 3: answer but you're not going to get the true meat
19:09
Speaker 3: of what the issue is.
19:12
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just I felt like, I don't know, man,
19:17
Speaker 2: It's just like with Brian Hartline running that room, and
19:19
Speaker 2: I guess now he is taking on coordinator duties and
19:25
Speaker 2: maybe there's some of that too. You know. He obviously
19:29
Speaker 2: said at the beginning he's going to spend the same
19:31
Speaker 2: amount of time with those guys, and that was the
19:33
Speaker 2: goal and that was the plan. I just find it
19:36
Speaker 2: hard to believe that maybe he wouldn't be a little
19:38
Speaker 2: further along if if Hart was, you know, one hundred
19:41
Speaker 2: percent still just the wide receiver coach. And I feel
19:44
Speaker 2: like the gap was just a little bigger than I thought,
19:47
Speaker 2: like almost to the point where, man, let's see Philip Bell.
19:50
Speaker 2: He seemed like he was pretty far along in in practice.
19:55
Speaker 2: But at any rate, talking about this game, Tony, the
19:58
Speaker 2: line opened at twelve point five, which made my skin crawl.
20:02
Speaker 2: I was the same as Georgia, Georgia Tech on a
20:05
Speaker 2: neutral field, Alabama just a five and a half point
20:08
Speaker 2: favorite against Auburn and they don't have a coach. I
20:13
Speaker 2: couldn't believe it. Twelve five. It quickly moved to nine
20:17
Speaker 2: and a half, which still kind of sounds I don't know,
20:20
Speaker 2: it seems big to me. I think I'm scarred from
20:22
Speaker 2: last year. But based on the schedule that Ohio State
20:26
Speaker 2: has played, that is all we hear about is how
20:28
Speaker 2: unproven they are. Ohio State's schedule NonStop. Based on the
20:33
Speaker 2: street Michigan has going, I think it's pretty telling just
20:38
Speaker 2: how differently Vegas views these two teams A nine and
20:41
Speaker 2: two Michigan team eleven in an Ohio State team. To
20:45
Speaker 2: have that line be so different than the Iron Bowl line.
20:50
Speaker 3: Yeah, they see it with a cold heart and logic,
20:54
Speaker 3: I guess basically, yeah, don't see it. They see it
20:58
Speaker 3: what is happening this year. They don't necessarily worry about
21:01
Speaker 3: last year.
21:02
Speaker 2: But yeah, I was.
21:03
Speaker 3: I was surprised by that number as well. And we've
21:06
Speaker 3: seen it come down and we'll see what happens when
21:10
Speaker 3: when it gets closer to Saturday, what that number is.
21:12
Speaker 3: Does it hit a bottom and then start going back up.
21:17
Speaker 3: But in terms of like why would it be that high,
21:20
Speaker 3: I mean, look at the Ohio State defense and what
21:23
Speaker 3: offenses have they played? Well, what offense does Michigan have.
21:26
Speaker 3: You know, they have a true freshman quarterback, their best
21:29
Speaker 3: receiver is a true freshman, and they've got a sophomore
21:33
Speaker 3: running back who is banged up and you know, day
21:36
Speaker 3: to day according to Shround Moore, but he certainly didn't
21:39
Speaker 3: look day to day when he was down a week ago.
21:42
Speaker 3: He looked okay on the sidelines and you know, in
21:45
Speaker 3: street clothes, but you know who wouldn't. So there's just
21:51
Speaker 3: not a lot of offense there in Ohio State has
21:54
Speaker 3: a lot of defense, so how you know, what are
21:57
Speaker 3: you expecting from Michigan? Are you expecting thirteen seventeen? And
22:02
Speaker 3: then would you not be crazy to think Ohio State
22:05
Speaker 3: could score twenty eight twenty seven in this game when
22:08
Speaker 3: we've seen Michigan give that up to the best teams
22:10
Speaker 3: they've played this year, and Ohio State will be another
22:13
Speaker 3: one of those best teams. Even though it is in
22:15
Speaker 3: ann Arbor, so you know, there's maybe a touchdown difference
22:19
Speaker 3: between the two venues, but still it felt high because
22:25
Speaker 3: we think of everything that encompasses this game. Vegas is
22:30
Speaker 3: only just looking at the numbers and the numbers right now.
22:35
Speaker 3: There's not like Michigan has been playing poorly essentially and
22:39
Speaker 3: getting away with with games. They turned the ball over
22:42
Speaker 3: five times against Northwestern and missed two field goals, somehow
22:45
Speaker 3: won that game. You do that against Ohio State, you're
22:47
Speaker 3: gonna lose by five touchdowns at least.
22:50
Speaker 2: Yeah, Bryce Center, would I you know, just in the
22:56
Speaker 2: and I don't watch him much, I gotta be honest,
22:59
Speaker 2: but it did seem to me in the last couple
23:01
Speaker 2: of games, as I did watch a little bit of
23:02
Speaker 2: Northwestern a little bit of Maryland. It seems to me
23:06
Speaker 2: like he is kind of layering balls in a little better,
23:10
Speaker 2: changing his speed a little more. It felt early on
23:12
Speaker 2: like he was just rifling everything in. Andrew marsh looks
23:16
Speaker 2: like he's going to be a bona fide star, and
23:20
Speaker 2: it seems a little bit like maybe they could get
23:23
Speaker 2: something going in the passing game potentially to compliment if
23:26
Speaker 2: they can, you know, start rushing for four and a
23:28
Speaker 2: half five yards of carry in Ohio State needs to
23:30
Speaker 2: adjust to that. So I think my high water mark
23:34
Speaker 2: for them as I was thinking, all right, worst case scenario,
23:37
Speaker 2: they can maybe score twenty one points. That would be
23:40
Speaker 2: their best case scenario, worst case in my eyes. So
23:43
Speaker 2: if they score twenty one, the Bucks need to beat
23:47
Speaker 2: twenty one with snow in the forecast, potentially snow flurries,
23:53
Speaker 2: not like snow accumulation, not a lot of wind. How
23:58
Speaker 2: worried do you think Ohio State fans should be about
24:01
Speaker 2: the weather?
24:03
Speaker 3: I don't think much. They're going to be practicing outside,
24:06
Speaker 3: I'm sure a little bit, and you flurries. The biggest
24:09
Speaker 3: worry is wind. And for any quarterback, any offense that
24:13
Speaker 3: wants to throw the ball, that's the bigger equalizer. And
24:17
Speaker 3: I think you prefers to know flurries to rain. And
24:20
Speaker 3: I mean they played in rain last week. Week before
24:23
Speaker 3: it was you know, sprinkling, sprinkling and drizzling, and so
24:26
Speaker 3: they played in that. I don't know's it's going to
24:29
Speaker 3: be thirty degrees and it's not going to be breezy,
24:33
Speaker 3: and there may be some snow flurries, there may not be,
24:37
Speaker 3: so I know there's no accumulation. So I don't really
24:41
Speaker 3: think there's much to be worried about, even though I
24:44
Speaker 3: know Julian sand California kid, but you know, I mean
24:47
Speaker 3: he's been in Ohio for you know, almost two years now,
24:51
Speaker 3: so he's practiced in some cold weather and now, granted,
24:56
Speaker 3: the one throw we've seen him make in a cold
24:58
Speaker 3: weather game, you know it, everybody knows. It's that's the
25:03
Speaker 3: evidence that we have Tennessee last year. That's the only
25:05
Speaker 3: evidence we have of what Julian saying looks like in
25:09
Speaker 3: a cold weather game. So maybe should be twelve and
25:12
Speaker 3: a half points.
25:12
Speaker 2: The other way, you know, Searon Moore when he was
25:18
Speaker 2: hired after Harball left, to me, it was I mean,
25:22
Speaker 2: I just I felt like, all right, this is a
25:24
Speaker 2: guy who on the open market, if his agent was
25:27
Speaker 2: shopping him around to get a head coaching position, maybe
25:32
Speaker 2: would have got a low level Big twelve job, but
25:34
Speaker 2: most likely like a MAC job. That's It's kind of
25:37
Speaker 2: how I viewed his resume up to that point. He
25:39
Speaker 2: was running kind of a stone age offense. Wasn't some
25:41
Speaker 2: like innovative, offensive guy that's some super charismatic personality or
25:47
Speaker 2: somebody who really draws you in. They seemed happy, and
25:51
Speaker 2: by they, I mean the Michigan faithful with him taking
25:55
Speaker 2: that over. They were very happy about it by and
25:59
Speaker 2: large because it's seemed to them somehow like a continuation
26:02
Speaker 2: of the Harbor regime, even though the whole Harbor regime
26:05
Speaker 2: walked out with Harbaugh. Now they're sitting here at nine
26:10
Speaker 2: and two. They lost both games that they should have
26:14
Speaker 2: lost to USC and Oklahoma. They won all the games
26:17
Speaker 2: they should have won. This to me was kind of
26:20
Speaker 2: their high water mark to come into this game at
26:22
Speaker 2: nine and two. I didn't expect them to be any
26:24
Speaker 2: better than this, and more as dumb blunders that most
26:29
Speaker 2: young coaches have, I don't think they are any well.
26:33
Speaker 2: There may be a little more than some other coaches
26:34
Speaker 2: He's made some dumb blunders at the end of games
26:37
Speaker 2: and seems to have a hard time with clock management.
26:41
Speaker 2: His hires haven't been fantastic. He's finding his way. This
26:45
Speaker 2: is what you get with a new coach most of
26:46
Speaker 2: the time, a guy who's never coached before. That's just
26:49
Speaker 2: what it is. But at nine and two, heading into
26:52
Speaker 2: the game with the opportunity to go to the playoffs
26:55
Speaker 2: with a win potentially, I'm reading their message. Man, they
27:02
Speaker 2: want him gone, they want have gone, And I'm so
27:05
Speaker 2: stunned by all this. How do you feel about the
27:07
Speaker 2: job he's done, because I think, you know, all in all,
27:10
Speaker 2: we're just talking wins and losses. Yeah, they've had an
27:12
Speaker 2: easier schedule this year. But he did exactly what he
27:15
Speaker 2: should have done. He didn't slip up and do what
27:18
Speaker 2: Lincoln Riley did last year, you know. I mean, he
27:20
Speaker 2: did what he was supposed to do.
27:24
Speaker 3: The record is what it is. But watching the games,
27:29
Speaker 3: it's a five point win over Purdue, two point win
27:33
Speaker 3: over Northwestern, three point win at Nebraska. Looks fine ish,
27:39
Speaker 3: but it's just twenty four to ten against Wisconsin, twenty
27:42
Speaker 3: four to seven against Washington, thirty one twenty against Michigan State.
27:45
Speaker 3: It's not exciting. And that's one of the things I've
27:47
Speaker 3: seen Michigan fans say is there's nothing to rewatch, And
27:51
Speaker 3: I'm thinking, what was it to rewatch with most of
27:54
Speaker 3: the Harball era, like these are all the games are
27:57
Speaker 3: all very similar. It's very boring. It's deef and run
28:00
Speaker 3: the ball and eventually a home run will be hit
28:03
Speaker 3: on the ground. And the passing game is just you know,
28:07
Speaker 3: it's just there because it's part of the rules. You
28:09
Speaker 3: got to have a quarterback and you got to have
28:10
Speaker 3: receivers lined up. You can only have so many people
28:12
Speaker 3: in the backfield. So I don't see a ton of
28:15
Speaker 3: difference between the pleasingness of the games, but I know
28:21
Speaker 3: Michigan fans don't like it and certainly don't like what
28:24
Speaker 3: happened last year. But again, that's also much of the
28:28
Speaker 3: Harbaugh era.
28:28
Speaker 2: There's we don't we don't need.
28:32
Speaker 3: To talk about the two different Harborugh eras at Michigan.
28:36
Speaker 3: We know what they were, Sharon Moore right now. Last
28:42
Speaker 3: year took them back to the normal Harbaugh era. This
28:44
Speaker 3: year maybe taking them to a place that Harbaugh never did,
28:48
Speaker 3: and in terms of you know, without breaking a bunch
28:52
Speaker 3: of rules to get there. So I think it will
28:54
Speaker 3: be it would be huge for Michigan to win this
28:58
Speaker 3: because it may lock up a playoff spot. It kicks
29:01
Speaker 3: Ohio State out of the Big Ten Championship. It doesn't
29:04
Speaker 3: alterra Ohio State's playoff situation. It gives time, gives Ohio
29:09
Speaker 3: State time to heal. I like last year, how the
29:12
Speaker 3: lost to Michigan was beneficial. After the fact, this one,
29:16
Speaker 3: you could also see some benefit to it, but nobody's
29:19
Speaker 3: going to take that over the benefits and the joys
29:23
Speaker 3: and pleasures of a win over Michigan.
29:26
Speaker 2: So after the fact, yeah, it was definitely beneficial. And
29:31
Speaker 2: then galvanized them after you know, they they broke everything
29:35
Speaker 2: down and and you know, you built that, you dropped
29:39
Speaker 2: it down to build it back up type of deal.
29:41
Speaker 2: And you can only do that once. That's my thought too,
29:45
Speaker 2: like that's not a repeatable thing, especially the next year.
29:48
Speaker 2: We're talking about now graduating another senior class who leaves
29:53
Speaker 2: without winning the game, and I just think that is
29:56
Speaker 2: a that's going to be a big downer. And when
30:00
Speaker 2: we talk about you know, who's got the most pressure here, I,
30:05
Speaker 2: you know, with Ryan Day with the streak with his
30:07
Speaker 2: record against them, with the fact that I think a
30:10
Speaker 2: lot of people believe, like me, that if he wins
30:15
Speaker 2: the National Championship, that the burden and is going to
30:19
Speaker 2: be off of his shoulders and he's going to coach
30:21
Speaker 2: that game like he coaches every other game. And I
30:23
Speaker 2: think that we are seeing the preparation kind of be
30:26
Speaker 2: more like the preparation for every other game, the routine
30:30
Speaker 2: staying the same, even the attitude Tony and his postgame interviews,
30:35
Speaker 2: it just sounded like after a normal game, there was
30:38
Speaker 2: no anxiety in his voice. And of course we'll hear
30:42
Speaker 2: him tomorrow and you know, obviously we'll maybe get a
30:45
Speaker 2: little better feel for that. Then maybe I'm being a
30:47
Speaker 2: little premature, but to me, I feel like we're already
30:52
Speaker 2: seeing signs that some of that weight has been lifted
30:55
Speaker 2: off his shoulders and he's going to coach this game
30:58
Speaker 2: like he would coach normally.
31:00
Speaker 3: There's not going to be some tightness about him. You know,
31:04
Speaker 3: It's interesting his preaching to Julian saying all year, as
31:07
Speaker 3: a young quarterback, do the routine things routinely, and as
31:11
Speaker 3: a team, that's what they're trying to do, and that's
31:14
Speaker 3: the focus. Even Wednesday, we have player interviews. We have
31:17
Speaker 3: not had player interviews on Wednesday for Michigan week and forever,
31:21
Speaker 3: I don't know that we've ever had them. It's usually
31:23
Speaker 3: everything is done on Tuesday and just knock it out
31:25
Speaker 3: and let the team focus on Michigan. And Day this
31:29
Speaker 3: year is like, no, we're just whatever. We're doing the
31:31
Speaker 3: same thing we always do, and the routine is the routine.
31:34
Speaker 3: So after practice on Wednesday, there will be interviews and
31:38
Speaker 3: Day will sit down again. And it's on one hand,
31:43
Speaker 3: you say, well, it's just it's they're treating just like
31:45
Speaker 3: another week. Well that's good depending on your perspective, that's bad.
31:48
Speaker 3: Depending on your perspective. And however the game ends up,
31:53
Speaker 3: you will either be justified or proven wrong that this
31:56
Speaker 3: is the act the worst outcome today, or the worst
32:00
Speaker 3: path to take what an actuality? Having interviews or not
32:04
Speaker 3: on Wednesday does not make Julian's saying more accurate, or
32:10
Speaker 3: does not make Jeremiah Smith more healthy, or does not
32:14
Speaker 3: keep Peyton Pierce from dropping an interception that could have
32:18
Speaker 3: been a pick six, and the difference in the game.
32:20
Speaker 3: But it is interesting, He's just supposed to keep everything
32:23
Speaker 3: normal and it's been working. Why change it for one week?
32:29
Speaker 2: Yeah? Do you think there is a disadvantage now that
32:32
Speaker 2: they have played what essentially because of what happened with
32:35
Speaker 2: Penn State five straight games where they were twenty to
32:41
Speaker 2: thirty point favorites rolling into this, that maybe you got
32:46
Speaker 2: some rust playing some real competition potentially, because there's some
32:49
Speaker 2: of that that makes me a little bit nervous. It
32:53
Speaker 2: has felt like just so long since we've gone into
32:57
Speaker 2: a game that I've even been used for that somebody
33:00
Speaker 2: could give them a game, and now you go in
33:04
Speaker 2: from that just a lull for six weeks now into
33:09
Speaker 2: the biggest regular season game of the year.
33:12
Speaker 3: It gives me a little bit of anxiety. Ton I
33:16
Speaker 3: can understand that. What I would say is that when
33:20
Speaker 3: the starters have been in, they've been locked in. And
33:24
Speaker 3: these games, you know, Penn State, Purdue, Ucla, Rutgers, everybody
33:29
Speaker 3: knew the outcome Wisconsin, and yet they were still locked
33:33
Speaker 3: in when they were out there, and they've had that
33:36
Speaker 3: competitive excellence that Ryan Day always talks about when you
33:39
Speaker 3: number is called, be ready to go, and they haven't
33:42
Speaker 3: once been like hmm, you know, they've never overlooked anybody.
33:47
Speaker 3: They're they're talking. You know, they talk about how you're
33:49
Speaker 3: guaranteed twelve games, don't overlook any of them, don't take
33:52
Speaker 3: any of them for granted, and you know, uphold the standard.
33:57
Speaker 3: Ryandy talks about you know, it's about us, and for
34:00
Speaker 3: about the last month it's been about them and just
34:04
Speaker 3: upholding it, wanting to do more, wanting to you know
34:07
Speaker 3: that they've increased the grade to be a champion eighty
34:10
Speaker 3: three percent from eighty and it's about you know, yes,
34:14
Speaker 3: we recognize the schedule is what it is, but we
34:17
Speaker 3: are still who we are and it shouldn't matter who
34:20
Speaker 3: we're playing. The standard is a standard. The standard doesn't
34:22
Speaker 3: lower because you're playing Purdue. Standards up here, Perdue maybe here,
34:26
Speaker 3: but standards right there, standards right there for Michigan whoever.
34:30
Speaker 3: And so I think it's been impressive what they've done.
34:34
Speaker 3: But now they've got to do it for the entire
34:37
Speaker 3: four quarters. Then you're right, there will be some rust.
34:39
Speaker 3: I think it'll be interesting to see what Carnal tape
34:42
Speaker 3: looks like, assuming he's back. I do assume that he
34:45
Speaker 3: will be back. Jeremiah Smith, how long can he go
34:50
Speaker 3: when he's got some tightness? Can they keep him loose
34:53
Speaker 3: in a cold game throughout how much rust is there,
34:56
Speaker 3: how much you know, that sort of thing where they
35:00
Speaker 3: haven't been out there. Who knows how much they're practicing
35:02
Speaker 3: if they're practicing right now. So I understand the brush
35:07
Speaker 3: offensively defensively, but these defensively, they're so locked in at
35:11
Speaker 3: this point that I don't think there's a concern there
35:16
Speaker 3: for me. I think you're going to be pleasantly surprised.
35:20
Speaker 3: But also remember it's Michigan, so something's going to happen. Yeah,
35:23
Speaker 3: something is going to happen, and just accept that. And
35:26
Speaker 3: then what else can Michigan do on top of that.
35:30
Speaker 2: Yeah, when I look at at them defensively, and when
35:35
Speaker 2: we kind of go back to the Wisconsin game, the
35:38
Speaker 2: Purdue game, the offensive line really seem to struggle with
35:43
Speaker 2: stunts and twists from Purdue level athletes. And now you're
35:47
Speaker 2: going against Michigan and obviously Winks got it cooked up. Man,
35:52
Speaker 2: He's gonna try his best to confuse this offensive line,
35:56
Speaker 2: and they've been susceptible to it. And I'm not just
36:00
Speaker 2: Tagra and Phil on the right side, even Montgomery has
36:03
Speaker 2: as well. And I think my biggest concern here for
36:08
Speaker 2: the Ohio State offense is just keeping Julian clean and
36:12
Speaker 2: from getting hit. And if they can do that and
36:16
Speaker 2: run for three and a half yards of pop off
36:18
Speaker 2: that left side, I think this ends up in getting
36:22
Speaker 2: past that twenty one point mark. That might just be
36:26
Speaker 2: might just be the golden one there. But that's my
36:30
Speaker 2: key to the game here. Do you have any keys
36:32
Speaker 2: that you think Ohio State needs to focus on to
36:34
Speaker 2: win the game.
36:35
Speaker 3: So your key is keep Julian rush Michigan, out rush
36:40
Speaker 3: Michigan and buy all me by any means necessary. No,
36:43
Speaker 3: that's been my key all year long. Protect Julian saying
36:46
Speaker 3: in this game and you will win because Michigan secondary
36:49
Speaker 3: is not very good and they watching this Maryland game,
36:54
Speaker 3: jy Ara Hill, Michigan's corner got beat deep three times
36:58
Speaker 3: that I saw, and there was only one completetion on
37:00
Speaker 3: those throws and the others were just you know, one
37:03
Speaker 3: was behind, one was overthrown. If you're if if Julian
37:08
Speaker 3: Sayan has receivers that are beating Michigan deep, expect him
37:11
Speaker 3: to hit more than he doesn't, or expect him to
37:14
Speaker 3: hit as many as he doesn't, and that will be plenty.
37:18
Speaker 3: Maryland missed two touchdown passes that that cost them. Say
37:23
Speaker 3: they kicked the field goal after one of them, say
37:25
Speaker 3: it cost them eleven points. And Ohio State's probably going
37:28
Speaker 3: to hit those when they get an opportunity to. But
37:31
Speaker 3: you've got to keep you got to give him an opportunity.
37:33
Speaker 3: So keep it back in. You know, CJ. Donaldson, whomever,
37:37
Speaker 3: probably you're your senior running back to help and just
37:41
Speaker 3: you know, do what you can to attack and they
37:44
Speaker 3: may be trying to limit the downfield attack. Then stay patient,
37:47
Speaker 3: and we know this Ohio State passed the game. Is
37:49
Speaker 3: patient and Julian's saying can dink and dunk and take
37:53
Speaker 3: eight yards to Jeremiah Smith all day long? Or perhaps
37:58
Speaker 3: Carnel Tate They Michigan gives up a lot of yards
38:02
Speaker 3: relatively two tight ends. Ohio State's got a pretty good
38:05
Speaker 3: tight ends coming off of a one hundred yard game,
38:07
Speaker 3: the first for an Ohio State tight end since twenty thirteen.
38:10
Speaker 3: So don't be surprised to max Claire is another big game.
38:14
Speaker 2: I think he might be key. I do too. You know,
38:17
Speaker 2: when you talk about Jeremiah Stay and Lews, I feel
38:21
Speaker 2: like based on Ryan Day being asked if there was
38:26
Speaker 2: maybe a further setback in the UCLA game for Jeremiah,
38:29
Speaker 2: and he said, I don't believe. So that meant that
38:33
Speaker 2: he went into that UCLA game with whatever was ailing
38:37
Speaker 2: him that we watched him limping with after the game.
38:40
Speaker 2: And if he was allowed to play in that game,
38:43
Speaker 2: and I think he probably wanted to and push to
38:45
Speaker 2: play it, and if they allowed him to, it means
38:49
Speaker 2: there's absolutely no way that he could have furthered that
38:51
Speaker 2: same injury, whatever the heck it was. So that said,
38:54
Speaker 2: when he was on the field against UCLA, I mean,
38:59
Speaker 2: I don't think you could really tell it all. I
39:00
Speaker 2: couldn't tell that there was anything different about him, and
39:02
Speaker 2: I'm hoping that that's what we see. But like you say,
39:05
Speaker 2: got to get through halftime without having a massive limp
39:10
Speaker 2: that downtime. Maybe he'll be riding the bike in the
39:12
Speaker 2: locker room the whole time or something to keep himself loose.
39:16
Speaker 2: But I am happy to hear that you feel good
39:19
Speaker 2: about Carnell as well, because I felt like that one
39:22
Speaker 2: has just been a little bit more mysterious. This felt
39:26
Speaker 2: a little bit more different, and obviously, you know, we're
39:29
Speaker 2: a traumatized fan base when it comes to stuff like
39:32
Speaker 2: this tone, you know what I mean, it's there's a
39:34
Speaker 2: lot of trauma here when it comes to this, particularly
39:37
Speaker 2: with a wide receiver. And Carnell went from a little
39:43
Speaker 2: tightness in warm ups. Do we haven't seen him in
39:45
Speaker 2: a month? It's crazy, you know.
39:50
Speaker 3: The I think there's just been extreme caution because remember
39:54
Speaker 3: we were just talking about these games that yawn, you know,
39:57
Speaker 3: nobody cares about and you know, and so I think
40:01
Speaker 3: there's some of that. I think the Jeremiah thing is
40:04
Speaker 3: they may have always been planning to give him the
40:07
Speaker 3: Rutgers game off, but you didn't want to necessarily give
40:10
Speaker 3: him too much time off, and so you play him
40:14
Speaker 3: against UCLA so that he doesn't miss two games. Whereas Caroneltata,
40:18
Speaker 3: it's a different type of injury and it's one where
40:20
Speaker 3: maybe I think more time off is better, whereas jeremiahs
40:24
Speaker 3: is you know, it's just a matter of getting it
40:25
Speaker 3: loose and then he's good to go, and certainly time
40:29
Speaker 3: off will help.
40:29
Speaker 2: That's why he was off last week.
40:31
Speaker 3: And we'll see what the limp looks like on Saturday.
40:35
Speaker 3: And with him, it's you know, when he gets to
40:38
Speaker 3: the stadium, it's probably gonna be about twenty five degrees
40:41
Speaker 3: and a little chili, but there they'll work it out
40:44
Speaker 3: and they'll get it going. But yeah, I think both
40:46
Speaker 3: guys now that the other question is how long can
40:50
Speaker 3: they go? Can something happen where one of them or
40:52
Speaker 3: both of them get knocked out and they need extra
40:55
Speaker 3: treatment or they realize that, you know, I was good
40:58
Speaker 3: to go, and now something happened and you reaggravate something
41:02
Speaker 3: or aggravate something else. So I think just because they
41:06
Speaker 3: play doesn't mean they'll finish. But you know, I do
41:10
Speaker 3: think they're gonna both be good to go, and then
41:13
Speaker 3: you know, whatever happens after that, they'll be good to
41:15
Speaker 3: go with that as well.
41:17
Speaker 2: You know, the narrative about Julian saying to a lot
41:21
Speaker 2: of people as this Heisman race has kind of gone on,
41:25
Speaker 2: was yeah, sure he's got a crazy completion percentage. Let's
41:29
Speaker 2: see him without his alien wide receivers. And we see
41:33
Speaker 2: him in the second half against UCLA go five of eleven,
41:37
Speaker 2: and the game against Rutgers he's under seventy percent and
41:41
Speaker 2: it's kind of giving them some some confirmation and he's
41:44
Speaker 2: maybe you know, that award is so much about narratives,
41:48
Speaker 2: and right now, it seems like he's probably taken a
41:51
Speaker 2: little bit of a hit. But if he can play
41:56
Speaker 2: a really good game, win this game, and obviously then
42:01
Speaker 2: in the Big Ten Championship would need to beat Mendoza
42:04
Speaker 2: head to head. I still think that finishing like that
42:11
Speaker 2: steals the momentum away, and I feel like we get
42:15
Speaker 2: a little too caught up and forget kind of how
42:17
Speaker 2: we're gonna feel after that. Because there's a lot of
42:20
Speaker 2: people right now that are dismissing the Okay, he's lost it.
42:23
Speaker 2: I'm seeing it a lot like, yeah, it was fun,
42:25
Speaker 2: it's over now. I think that that all changes if
42:30
Speaker 2: both of those things happen, provided he has a good game,
42:32
Speaker 2: and especially if he can win one of those in
42:36
Speaker 2: a way in the fourth quarter where he has relied
42:38
Speaker 2: upon to do something big without a doubt, I think
42:41
Speaker 2: he wins it. What are your thoughts on that?
42:44
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think probably a month or so ago, I
42:47
Speaker 3: just started pointing at these two games, Michigan and perhaps
42:50
Speaker 3: Indiana if you want to win, if you want to
42:52
Speaker 3: if Julian sand is going to win the Heisman, it
42:55
Speaker 3: will happen against Michigan and Indiana because the Indiana needs
42:58
Speaker 3: to be there. I you know, in terms of like
43:02
Speaker 3: what he's done the past two weeks, I think you
43:05
Speaker 3: can also chalk that up to the fact that you
43:08
Speaker 3: lost an entire recruiting class of receivers, the twenty twenty
43:11
Speaker 3: two class, which should all be seniors this year, should
43:13
Speaker 3: be all be fourth your players. They weren't there to
43:16
Speaker 3: help out. You lose Noah Rodgers, who should be a
43:19
Speaker 3: junior that he should be here or a guy like
43:22
Speaker 3: him should should be at Ohio State, so that you're
43:25
Speaker 3: not playing a former walk on. The majority of snaps
43:29
Speaker 3: David eightof again that that's any position you shouldn't be
43:34
Speaker 3: down to a walk on former walk on and as
43:38
Speaker 3: a starter at Ohio State. And and so that's that's
43:42
Speaker 3: one of the reasons that Julian saying had the numbers
43:44
Speaker 3: that he did. But also because they weren't even you know,
43:48
Speaker 3: these last two games, I think these are the first
43:50
Speaker 3: two times he's been under two hundred yards passing, first
43:52
Speaker 3: two times in terms of in a row, the first
43:56
Speaker 3: two times he's been, you know, under three hundred yards passing,
43:58
Speaker 3: and I think back to back games or whatever. And yeah,
44:02
Speaker 3: it's because those two guys weren't out there. But all
44:06
Speaker 3: of that gets forgotten if he shows up against Michigan
44:09
Speaker 3: and lights it up and does the same thing against Indiana,
44:12
Speaker 3: because against Indiana it's head to head Fernando Mendoza. The
44:16
Speaker 3: only guy that can win it at that point if
44:18
Speaker 3: those two guys play in the Big Don Championship game
44:20
Speaker 3: is Jeremiah Smith. That's he's the only other guy besides
44:24
Speaker 3: those two, in my opinion, that could come in and
44:26
Speaker 3: when unless everybody stinks and Jeremiah Love gets it for
44:29
Speaker 3: not playing, you know, you know, something like that, because
44:30
Speaker 3: I think Ty Simpson they kind of he's kind of
44:33
Speaker 3: dropped off a bit. But the hype is going to
44:35
Speaker 3: be so big for that Big Ten Championship game that
44:42
Speaker 3: you'll have the Heisman voters just basically waiting, at least
44:47
Speaker 3: those not in the Southeastern portion of the country who
44:49
Speaker 3: already have Ty Simpson written in first. You're waiting to
44:54
Speaker 3: see what that game does and whoever wins this is
44:56
Speaker 3: going to decide my vote, unless you know, somebody falls
45:00
Speaker 3: just short but has a miraculous game, or you know,
45:04
Speaker 3: like we saw, you know, Fernando Mendoza have a bad
45:07
Speaker 3: game until until a great drive in the fourth quarter
45:10
Speaker 3: at the end, and everybody forgets everything before that, even
45:14
Speaker 3: you know, throwing a pick six against Oregon, but then
45:16
Speaker 3: leading Indiana down the field, and everybody forgets that. So
45:19
Speaker 3: if you can cover up your mistakes, and you know,
45:22
Speaker 3: voters have have very little ability to remember things. They
45:27
Speaker 3: only know what they're seeing at that moment.
45:29
Speaker 2: It's just a moment, man, It's just that. Now it's
45:32
Speaker 2: just fighting through adversity. Uh, it doesn't matter if you
45:35
Speaker 2: put yourself there, put your team there. It's almost childish,
45:40
Speaker 2: to be quite honest, really it is. Uh it's like,
45:44
Speaker 2: you know, I don't know, they see candy or something.
45:46
Speaker 2: It's it's strange.
45:48
Speaker 3: I gave up on the Heisman when Orlando past didn't
45:51
Speaker 3: when it and that was when I was, you know, realized, Okay,
45:55
Speaker 3: it's it is what it is.
45:57
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. My Browns, Cleveland Browns played the Las Vegas
46:03
Speaker 2: Raiders on Sunday tony and Sunday night. Chip Kelly got
46:09
Speaker 2: fired and I'm just sitting here thinking today you lose
46:14
Speaker 2: Jim Knowles and Chip Kelly after the national championship in
46:17
Speaker 2: Ohio State. Jim Knowles is now on a lame duck staff.
46:21
Speaker 2: We don't even know if he'll be retained. Chip Kelly
46:25
Speaker 2: doesn't even make it the whole season. It's really kind
46:28
Speaker 2: of strange looking back after having lost both of those
46:31
Speaker 2: guys that they are both now, I know, what are
46:35
Speaker 2: you gonna do? Up in the air. A lot of
46:36
Speaker 2: people clamoring for Chip to come in as an advisor.
46:39
Speaker 2: They think that he's gonna come help Ryan out last one. Here.
46:44
Speaker 2: I'll get you out on this. What do you think
46:46
Speaker 2: are the odds that Chip has anything to do with
46:49
Speaker 2: this team?
46:52
Speaker 3: Well, Brian Day will be asked about that on Tuesday.
46:55
Speaker 3: I'm sure I don't think oh yeah, yeah, yeah. I
46:59
Speaker 3: don't think it's out of the I don't think it's unrealistic.
47:04
Speaker 3: Just they have guys come in and hey, what do
47:06
Speaker 3: you see? Come on in, You're not doing anything, Just
47:09
Speaker 3: what do you see? Maybe in terms of the self
47:12
Speaker 3: scouting type of thing, after the regular season or after
47:15
Speaker 3: the Big Ten championship game, when you've got some time.
47:17
Speaker 3: I could definitely see him coming in and doing something
47:21
Speaker 3: like that. I don't think it's automatic, you know, do
47:25
Speaker 3: you really want to? I'm I'm sure Ryan Days already
47:28
Speaker 3: called him just to say, hey, how you doing. But also,
47:32
Speaker 3: somebody just got fired, so you're gonna be like, hey,
47:35
Speaker 3: you know, can you come help us out? You know,
47:37
Speaker 3: maybe that's that, Maybe that's the best way to reach
47:39
Speaker 3: out in terms. Hey, you've always got a home here,
47:42
Speaker 3: you've always got an office here, so it wouldn't shock
47:45
Speaker 3: me at all.
47:47
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, and you got that assuming you get to
47:50
Speaker 2: the Big Ten Championship game three weeks. If you win
47:55
Speaker 2: that where you're not, I mean, that actually could kind
47:58
Speaker 2: of line up really nice time, but with shocking wars.
48:02
Speaker 3: If you've done you had Jim Knowles do the same thing.
48:04
Speaker 2: Right. All right, brother, I appreciate you coming on as always.
48:10
Speaker 2: I will see you tomorrow down at the facility. Have
48:14
Speaker 2: a fantastic night, get your hot tea and honey, buddy,
48:18
Speaker 2: we'll do it. Thanks staring later, Thanks buddy, our man,
48:26
Speaker 2: Tony Man. Is he fantastic? Uh? You know, I do
48:31
Speaker 2: the majority of shows I do by myself, and every
48:35
Speaker 2: once in a while I have a guest on or
48:37
Speaker 2: do it with a partner. Sometimes it's like pulling teeth
48:41
Speaker 2: with some guests. You know, some will boom boom. It's
48:44
Speaker 2: a good back and forth. Tony's always the best man.
48:47
Speaker 2: It's always so smooth. He always adds just enough good
48:50
Speaker 2: chemistry and fantastic stuff, a couple of super chats uh
48:56
Speaker 2: buck Eye Sweg Matt. Patricia is gonna mentally dominate Underwood.
49:00
Speaker 2: I see a couple of turnovers at least. Man. I'm
49:03
Speaker 2: with you, like Patricia has honestly taken the last five
49:08
Speaker 2: weeks off. It seems like he's not done anything that
49:11
Speaker 2: we saw early on in the season against teams that
49:14
Speaker 2: could actually have the potential to to hurt Ohio State offensively,
49:20
Speaker 2: and it's just been so basic and honestly so boring,
49:24
Speaker 2: like that the style of defense they were playing early
49:26
Speaker 2: on was so exciting. We haven't seen it. I mean,
49:29
Speaker 2: the dude's got to be itching to do something fun.
49:32
Speaker 2: He's itching for it. And we're talking about a true freshman. Now.
49:37
Speaker 2: They say a lot of times this stage in the
49:40
Speaker 2: in the season, you're not really a freshman anymore. This
49:44
Speaker 2: guy's never seen anything like what he's about to see
49:47
Speaker 2: with the athletes and the aggressiveness. I mean, it's it's
49:53
Speaker 2: his first time playing in the game all of aus.
49:55
Speaker 2: I mean, freshmen always get a little rattled just by
49:58
Speaker 2: seeing that. And he is a little more advanced for
50:01
Speaker 2: a freshman I'll give him that, but yeah, I'm totally
50:05
Speaker 2: with you. If he turns the ball over a couple times,
50:09
Speaker 2: I would not be surprised in the least my man.
50:12
Speaker 2: So anyway, Yeah, Tony is a machine. This week, I've
50:17
Speaker 2: seen him drop a ridiculous amount of shows and he
50:21
Speaker 2: is fantastic. Stan Brooklyn says, why would you bring in
50:27
Speaker 2: the chipster to look over Brian's shoulder? Dumb? Yeah, I
50:32
Speaker 2: think it would be more not as you're bringing him
50:34
Speaker 2: into help the offense, but more as he's kind of
50:39
Speaker 2: helping yourself scout, et cetera. Also, Brian has a whole
50:45
Speaker 2: lot of respect for him. Chip takes oc job again.
50:50
Speaker 2: If Heartline leaves, yeah, I don't know that Heartline is leaving.
50:57
Speaker 2: I guess we'll see. When we have the trickle down effect,
51:00
Speaker 2: you know the coaching vacancies, they're about to get filled up, right,
51:05
Speaker 2: So once those all get filled up, well, now whatever
51:08
Speaker 2: jobs those guys were in are now vacant. And then
51:12
Speaker 2: when those get filled up, well now you've got to
51:14
Speaker 2: go hire somebody to fill those and those jobs are open.
51:18
Speaker 2: So you got this trickle down effect, and at some
51:21
Speaker 2: point you're going to go at the stage where all
51:24
Speaker 2: of a sudden, well, now maybe you've got multiple schools
51:27
Speaker 2: at this level who are trying to hire Heartline. I
51:31
Speaker 2: don't suspect he leaves for any job in Tier two
51:37
Speaker 2: because all he's got to do is stick it out
51:40
Speaker 2: for one or two years more as a successful offensive coordinator,
51:45
Speaker 2: and then the next big time job that opens up,
51:49
Speaker 2: he might be an actual candidate for that, at least
51:52
Speaker 2: considered a little more like I think this year if
51:54
Speaker 2: he had been in the offensive coordinator for the last
51:57
Speaker 2: three years. Now, all of a sudden, he's getting more
52:00
Speaker 2: a serious look at Penn State, regardless of whether it's
52:02
Speaker 2: been a head coach or not. But you had that
52:05
Speaker 2: he's not been a head coach, and that he just
52:08
Speaker 2: took over the offense. A lot of you know, a
52:10
Speaker 2: lot of people are hung up on that. So anyway,
52:14
Speaker 2: I do appreciate you guys so much for joining me
52:16
Speaker 2: on a Monday at eight pm on Bucke Huddle Primetime Live.
52:20
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52:23
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52:25
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52:31
Speaker 2: morning over at Chuck on Bucks. Got a conversation another
52:35
Speaker 2: one that I did, so today I did a conversation
52:39
Speaker 2: with Phil Maddingly that's over there, and then tomorrow I
52:42
Speaker 2: just finished up another one right before I got on
52:44
Speaker 2: with Tony, so that will be on tomorrow morning. In
52:46
Speaker 2: addition to our other stuff, we had some recruiting news, obviously,
52:49
Speaker 2: the decommitment of cam Brickle, which brings the defensive line
52:54
Speaker 2: class down to five guys. There was six now five
52:58
Speaker 2: and cam Brickle. If you've been watching any of our
53:02
Speaker 2: recruiting coverage, not a surprise at all that he is
53:04
Speaker 2: not going to be in this class in the end.
53:07
Speaker 2: We've been kind of talking about that for a little
53:09
Speaker 2: while now, as he transferred down to IMG before the
53:12
Speaker 2: season started. It was his fourth high school, which is
53:16
Speaker 2: kind of ding ding ding red flags right there, but
53:19
Speaker 2: a little different when it's IMG, as you're you know,
53:21
Speaker 2: going to level up the competition. Well, the the level
53:25
Speaker 2: up in competition resulted in him not even starting as
53:28
Speaker 2: a senior at high school. It is not great. That's
53:31
Speaker 2: not a great thing if you're in Ohio state recruit
53:34
Speaker 2: unless maybe there's a five star ahead of you. There's not.
53:36
Speaker 2: There's actually a three star ahead of him. And that
53:38
Speaker 2: three star committee to Georgia, which you know, hey, I
53:42
Speaker 2: don't like that. I don't like that one bit. But
53:44
Speaker 2: the production was bad, the film wasn't great, and he
53:48
Speaker 2: ends up visiting Maryland on Friday Cyonara my man. So
53:55
Speaker 2: he's out and the writing was kind of on the
53:58
Speaker 2: wall ever since. Ohio State got back in on Emmanuel Ruffin,
54:01
Speaker 2: who they had originally passed on, and he ended up
54:06
Speaker 2: committing to Colorado and then decommitted to Colorado. Now he's
54:10
Speaker 2: in the class. So essentially Ohio State switched out Cam
54:13
Speaker 2: Brickle for em Manual Ruffin and that is a big upgrade.
54:17
Speaker 2: So I like the defensive line class a lot. I
54:20
Speaker 2: think Carry Wilder is an absolute stud and he is
54:25
Speaker 2: going to play a lot as a freshman and has
54:28
Speaker 2: the potential to be the next big time great. Ohis
54:32
Speaker 2: the defensive lineman and he's going to play in the
54:36
Speaker 2: Caden Curry role and it's going to be fantastic. Then
54:39
Speaker 2: you got Drake Quinn with him on the edge, and
54:42
Speaker 2: at three tech you got the Maury Simeon, who is
54:46
Speaker 2: a big timer, top ten defensive lineman at Rivals, and
54:51
Speaker 2: then at one Tech you've got a Manuel Ruffin out
54:54
Speaker 2: of Best in Maerra, Alabama, a top two hundred kid,
54:57
Speaker 2: and then you got the mega man out of Glenn
55:00
Speaker 2: Bill Jamiir Perez at six four, three hundred and forty pounds.
55:05
Speaker 2: You know that's a valuable asset, Not a super highly
55:07
Speaker 2: rated guy, doesn't matter. Gives you the body to be
55:10
Speaker 2: able to do something different and have a little more versatility.
55:14
Speaker 2: So at any rate, I appreciate you guys. Have a
55:17
Speaker 2: fantastic night. Buck Out a prime Timeout