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Random Heathen Ramblings: S6, EP07 - Monthly Heathen Live Stream (February 2025) feat. Patrick Steggrhofr · Random Heathen Ramblings

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Got a guess That's going to be joining us, sort of a Co host,
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more or less brother of mine, Patrick Walsh.
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He's going to be jumping on here in just a moment.
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Michael Thacker on YouTube. Yeah, Michael, you sure did make
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it tonight. You were the first to comment.
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And then we've got John over on Facebook.
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He says that one time at band camp.
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watching from Columbus, OH. Hello there, Kristin, it's been
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Kristen says it's been a while. Well, it's good to have you back
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here, Kristen. So again, this is going to just
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kind of be a a random ramblings of sorts.
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And we're going to bring on Patrick Walsh here right now.
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My brother from another mother there.
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He is tuning in from Missouri. That is correct.
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Yeah, is it? You still have snow on the
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ground out there, bud. Melted.
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Now a. Little bit.
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Just a little bit. Yeah, just a little bit.
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Yeah, it was like 60 something degrees here today.
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Yeah, but same here. It's about it.
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Got the 67 at one point. I went on a little hike a little
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bit earlier this afternoon. Oh, did you?
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Oh, I had to. I mean, it was, yeah.
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You know what I mean? Like it's a good day for it.
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I just almost lit myself on fire here 'cause I realized my
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incense was burning too fast and I didn't blow it out.
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And then I tried to pick up the the thing and, well, there you
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have it. It's just.
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Thing. Well, there you have it.
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There you have it. As random as it gets, folks.
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So good thing I've got another shtick here to to keep going.
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Maybe it won't burn the house then.
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Now it won't burn that, Michael. Sorry, you're in Pine Pike
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County, Kentucky, over there in the mountains.
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John is he says he's got work doing security during Mardi Gras
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on Bourbon Street. It's going to be a blast.
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All right, so you're still in Louisiana.
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Very cool. Hope you're all doing well
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tonight. And yeah, like I said before,
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this is going to kind of be a, you know, ask us anything.
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You know, guys, this is live and and you can interact with with
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me and Patrick in real time. So if you have a question for me
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or for Patrick or for the both of us that you'd like to, to
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throw our way, feel free to do so.
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Also, Patrick, you have a, a for folks that are watching on
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Facebook. You guys might recognize Patrick
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because he's got a social Media Group that he runs and that I
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help kind of moderate or, or whatever called the called the
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Highland Highland tribe mental slash spiritual support group.
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So Highland Tribe mental spiritual Support group and
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yeah, Patrick, what do you want to you want to plug that at all?
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Oh yeah, it's just an amazing group of great people.
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We all share a, a great love for high lung and all the work that
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they do. It's just a place for us to be
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ourselves, you know, to share our struggles as well as our
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accomplishments. And it's basically what the name
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says. So mental health spiritual
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group. Yeah, and so I've posted the
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link down for the comments or in the comments section on both
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YouTube and on, on on Facebook over here.
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So if you're perusing the the Internet Facebook groups and you
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want to join and, and, and it is a safe place again, you can you
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can even post anonymously. I know a lot of folks that that
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watch these things don't always like to comment due to, you
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know, having a legitimate concerns of their safety.
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You know, if their identity is is is there.
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And then, as Kristen says, it's a great group, very supportive,
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so Kristen knows. Thank you, appreciate.
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That knows what's up, you know. And yeah, thank you for saying
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so. I agree.
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You know, I've been there, man. I don't remember when I came in
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there, but. Right towards the beginning, I
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think. Yeah, I feel, I don't remember
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what your, your group numbers were, but you're you, you got to
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be pushing close to 3000 almost right, 2600.
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Yeah. Yeah, yeah.
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And you get new members every day, you know, so that's that's,
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that's really awesome. It's very engaging.
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Hello there, David Klenn, good to be here again.
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Yes, good to have you here, Sir. David, it's a heathen down, I
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believe in the Columbia, TN area.
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So for those of you wondering, we got a good group of folks in
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the in the Middle Tennessee area and surrounding places.
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So but yes, it's good to see everybody.
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If you have questions again, comment them down below.
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We'll get to them as soon as we can.
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We'll kind of get to them in between our own conversations
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here, because I, I threw, I threw AI threw a bone to Patrick
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and said, hey, man, you want to come on the live with me
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tonight? No, no, no, no pressure or
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anything, of course, but just like a last minute hour and a
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half away, like, hey, you know, you want to come and, and shoot
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the breeze with me for a bit. And, and I'm glad you decided
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that you wanted to because I always enjoy any conversations
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that we have. And it's great to to do so when
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we are talking about stuff that we both can connect with, you
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know, we, that we can both jive with things that are both kind
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of in our wheelhouse. And you had looked at a post
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from, I think it was last week's episode about, you know,
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reconnecting with the Lanvatier. And for those of you folks that
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hadn't seen it yet again, you can go back to my Patreon page
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to to watch the whole thing. Just just sign up at at the Carl
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tier for a dollar to watch the whole thing.
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Or you can go to Spotify or any of the other audio platforms if
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you just want to listen to it. But it was about it was actually
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one of Michaels backer here who's watching from from from
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YouTube. It was that topic.
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It was it was him that's that suggested that topic on
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reconnecting or not reconnecting.
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But developing a stronger bond or a deeper connection with the
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spirits of the land, you know, land vetir, land whites,
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whatever name you put to it. So Speaking of Michael Thacker,
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did you guys get caught up in those storms last week here in
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Tennessee? We had a bunch of rain.
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We did get some snow, but I mean, it was like a dusting.
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It was, you know, if it if we got an answer to that was that
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was it. But we've had a lot more rain
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here recently. So nothing too terribly
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disruptive about you, Patrick. How's the weather been out there
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by you? Quite the 180, because for a
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while we had that cold stretch, Yeah, it's just like high, like
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20°, but low. But I don't even want to know.
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Yeah. Like the last.
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Couple days though, it's just been very pleasant and
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tolerable. It's funny too, because Sunday I
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was taking off my friend and I was telling her like, hey, it's
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going to get up to 40° today. You know, after being in the
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teens, 40° feels like it's like springtime.
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Sure does. Yeah, you like, everything's
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relevant relative, you know, 20s during the day and then you get
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40s. You're like, yeah, it's a heat
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wave, you know? Pretty much.
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Well, yeah, so we're all good though.
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But so yeah, anyways, you're pretty excited, Patrick, to talk
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about deepening our connection with the, the the land spirits.
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So did you get a chance to? I know my I share like clips and
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stuff around. Have you gotten a chance yet to
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to listen or watch to to any of the thing that I posted about
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last week's episode about this? I have not yet, no.
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Yeah. OK, cool.
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Well, then we can just kind of build it from the ground up
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here. Better thing for just one quick
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moment here. Yeah, yeah, go ahead.
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I'm going to read Kristen's comment here.
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If you said that my kindred fell apart and I completely lost my
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faith with it, the gods, land spirits, and ancestors went
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silent. Any advice on picking up a
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solitary practice and reconnecting to one's
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spirituality? That's a great question.
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Yeah, I was to say, make sure that you heard all that, Patrick
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'cause I feel like that's something right by me.
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One more time, it was kind of cutting down there.
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OK, so Kristen, Kristen on YouTube said that my kindred
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fell apart and I'm completely lost my faith with it.
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The gods, the land spirits and ancestors went silent.
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And is there any advice on picking up a solitary practice
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and reconnecting to one's spirituality?
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So Patrick, you want to go first?
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Oh yeah, of course. Thank you.
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Well, I'm really sad to hear about your Kindred and speaking
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on male behalf, I've been a solitary practitioner for the
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greater part of my life, like 9095% of that.
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And going off that, it could be a very low maintenance way of
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doing things and it works out great because you've read things
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on your own schedule and your own dependency.
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You provide everything that you're experiencing for the most
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part. But with that said, again,
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speaking as a solar partitioner, it could be very disheartening
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not having that group of people to celebrate and collect that
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energy and share that experience.
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Yeah, yeah. You know, and I've seen 2
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examples where like kindreds or tribes or groups, you know,
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there's it, they dissolve for one reason or another, or the
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structure of things change. Just, you know, due to the, the
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winds of change. It's, it's not anything that can
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be avoided. And everybody's subject to it.
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Everything is subject to it. So when those winds come through
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and they sweep, you know, there's, there's, we're, we're
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all subject to, to the results of which, right.
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Sometimes the storm can, can wipe things out for a reason.
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And without knowing specifics, without knowing details, you
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know, it, it's, it's up, I think, to one individual or, or
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the group, if, if that's the way it's, it's going to be seen as,
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you know, what did this, what did this storm do for us or for
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me, you know, did this wind come through and change things to
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make way for something else that I need to, to, to focus on to,
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to sort of wipe the slate clean, You know, because that can be
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what it is a lot of times. And, and, and when, when you
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have something dissolved that you put a lot of effort into or
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that a lot of effort was put into that you felt a part of,
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you know, to see it come apart at the seams and tend to watch
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it dissolve. That can be really, really
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discouraging. And it can make you feel like
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you've lost your, your, your, your touch or your connection
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with the holy, with the sacred, with the divine.
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I've, I, I, I can tell you from experience, Kristen, like I, I
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know all too well what that feels like now.
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So Patrick, do you have any, like, have you run into any
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situations for yourself where there's been something or some
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things that you particularly find helpful for, as Kristen
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says, you know, kind of reconnecting and and picking up
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a solitary practice you've had most of your life to do that in.
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But I know sometimes we all face, you know, like I say that
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that little time where things are particularly harsher or
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rough and we have to find another.
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We have to really dig deep. We have to find something to to
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to to connect with. So do you have any like
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suggestions or examples of things that that you found
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helpful for that? Absolutely.
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And I appreciate the opportunities.
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So me personally, I've gone through a very difficult chapter
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in my life. So, you know, as a solo
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protectioner, I've been taking this time to spend time by
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myself and more importantly, places that I like to visit out
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in nature, whether that be hiking trails, a park, a pond,
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or just out in the woods. That experience can be very
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healing and very gratifying. So I recommend what I do is on
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my days off, I'll look on Google Earth, I'll look by nearby
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parks, trails, and then I'll set a date and go out there and you
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know, go explore. But when I do so, I do so with a
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sense of purpose and re establishing that connection.
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And it's very important to keep that mindset when you're
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undertaking this task. So you have that, you know, at
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the back of your head and you go exploring.
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You perhaps bring an offering and really enhance the sensory
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experience by maybe bringing some incense and playing some
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great music. I mean, you can't really go
19:06
wrong. You could have a, a certain goal
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in mind when you get there. But again, just being out in
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nature, it's a. Yeah, it's a huge, it's a, it's
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good medicine. I think, you know, that's a good
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way of putting it. I, I being close to the river
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for me, that's kind of my medicine.
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You know, I'll go to the, to the river or I'll go out to the, to
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the trails nearby or something. You know, if I need to, you
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know, let let what messages need to come to me, let them come to
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me without the noise and, and everything else that can that
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can be kind of surrounding us in our day-to-day lives.
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You know, so there's that, there's that disconnecting from
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the things that tether us, you know, turn off your phone, you
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know, leave it in the car. What I mean, you know what I
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mean, like the technology aspect of things, you know, kind of go,
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go dark a bit to find your light again.
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And another thing too is, is like, again, not every situation
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is the same, but you know, in my situation, what I felt what I
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had going on was, you know, the, the, the change that happened
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was the inevitability of the outcome of certain things,
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right? The behavior of, of one or more
20:33
people, right? And then so you have to
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evaluate, you have to look and go this, this wasn't working.
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The the old thing was not being tended to.
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It wasn't being nurtured. It wasn't being, you know, kept
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alive. And then, so if you, if you're
20:55
not tending to things, if, if, if people aren't doing the work,
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you know, or if it's only one person's vision and it's not a
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shared vision, if it's not a shared experience, like a
21:04
family, you know, which is what you think of when you hear the
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word kindred or when you hear tribe, that's family, you know,
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that that is an extension of the family unit.
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And so if the family unit is dysfunctional, then the
21:20
extensions of such there's, there's nothing strong for that
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to, to have a foundation on to, to lay upon.
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So evaluating that and and seeing, OK, well, you know, do
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we do we start over? Do we, do we start, you know,
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something else? It's you know, and some people,
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some people, when that change comes about, realize that the
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group thing, the kindred thing, it's not, it's not what fulfills
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them. You know what I mean?
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Some people are are just fine and content to be a bit solitary
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on for the long term. You know, I'm not one of them.
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I'm, I mean, I'm particularly, I'm OK to be solitary.
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I'm OK. Like sometimes I need my
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solitude, right? But I also need that connection
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with others. I need, I need to have that
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human experience shared. I need to feel like I'm
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connected with other people that are also good people, you know,
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not to be connected for the sake of being connected, but to be
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connected with the right people who can help nurture me and I
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can help nurture them. And we, we feed each other's
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fires, you know what I mean? So I guess, you know, like
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Patrick was saying, Kristen, you know, nature, of course you're
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going to hear that answer a lot. I think people that are going
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to, if you ask 100 people, 100 pagans, a, you know, a mixed bag
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of, of just whoever that's going to be a recurring answer.
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You're going to hear that a lot, right?
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Go back to nature, go out to nature, find, you know, your
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piece there. And it's true.
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You know, I would also suggest, you know, that to, to reconnect
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to your spirituality, find where, where your, why is, why
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do you feel connected to the, the, the, the, the, the type of
23:12
spirituality that you do, whether it's Heathenry or
23:15
whether it's Hellenic, Hellenistic paganism or Celtic
23:20
paganism or whatever it might be, you know, whatever you feel
23:26
connected to, Like what, why, why do you feel that way?
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Once you know your, why in the world and once you know your
23:33
purpose in this thing, it's, it's not hard to, to, to
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rekindle it. I had a situation recently, just
23:43
to kind of throw out another example where like I didn't get
23:48
the, the, the time to spend at you'll that I like to spend, you
23:53
know, I didn't have the things going on, the, the, the, the
23:58
observances, the, the, the stumbles and the feasting and
24:01
everything. And I didn't get a chance to do
24:02
it when I wanted to do it with the people who I wanted to do it
24:06
with and the way that I wanted to do it.
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And that was very disheartening for me.
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So instead, you know, later on after the fact, and this came to
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me as a, as a bit of advice from another dear friend and brother
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of mine who said, you know, why don't you revisit that?
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That's that's where you find your, your spirituality.
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That's where you find your purpose.
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Is, is, is, is, is observing the heathen ways of your ancestors.
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So whether or not it's on that specific day with those specific
24:35
people, recreate it and do it with the people who you are
24:38
with. You know, and we did that and it
24:44
meant more doing it that way than going through the, the
24:49
motions, going through the, the seemingly like obligatory
24:55
gestures that the first hat, like the first attempt was
25:01
because it did it, it, it felt unnatural, it felt forced.
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And I'm like, what is, what is the point of all this?
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And the point of it is that for me, it was, it was that the,
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the, the, the, the connection I feel with my ancestors, with the
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gods around that time of year, you know, I wasn't feeling it
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with the people who I was doing it with anymore.
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And that's OK. Sometimes that happens.
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You know, sometimes people figure out other things that
25:29
they want to go do and, and whatever makes them content or,
25:32
or fulfilled, you know, with purpose, let them do it, right.
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Hello, Wesley. Wesley Curry is commenting on
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YouTube. Oh, this is great.
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Hey guys, you want to watch something cool?
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It says 20 days ago an Angel of Jesus gave you the real bread.
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OK, Wesley, well, you can go on and, and go somewhere.
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This is a heathen podcast, my friend says random heathen
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rambling. So I'm glad that the algorithm
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found you to comment and to increase, increase the, the, the
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views on things. But if that's what makes you
26:12
feel fulfilled, Wesley, then go right on ahead and feel
26:14
fulfilled somewhere else. This is a heathen podcast and
26:16
we're talking about even thing, so that'll be the last time that
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we see Wesley's name pop up on the screen.
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I'll just. Say it.
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Goodbye and good riddance. So anyway, Kristen, I hope that
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helped answer your, your question and I hope that you
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find your, your purpose and, and, and yeah, don't give up,
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You know, let, let the time that it, that it hurts, right?
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Because it does hurt. Those, those things that that
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happen when they, when they happen, it can be very
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disheartening and it can be tough.
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Feel those things, right, Patrick?
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Absolutely. You got to feel it.
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You got it, you got it. You know, those emotions and
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those feelings are there for lessons.
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You know, they're there to teach us things.
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Vietnam nature is the absolute best place to be to have that
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experience. My humble opinion, because
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there's no judgement, it's just you and the forces around you.
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Yeah, agreed. So feel all the things I was.
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Going to say walking has a huge, you know, health benefits,
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especially with stress. Yeah, yeah, it does.
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I mean, I get told, I've told people plenty of times, you
27:33
know, like if you're feeling a certain way, like if you're
27:39
feeling down, if you're feeling disheartened or you're feeling,
27:44
you know, any sort of negative way, get out and put your, you
27:49
know, granted, it's cold this time of year, but but put your
27:52
skin to grasp, put your face to to dirt, like put your touch
27:56
your body to earth, right? Reconnect, feel that, feel the,
28:00
the life that comes from, from the mother, you know, from your,
28:07
and whether it's barefoot on the ground or your hands on a tree
28:11
or, you know, hands in the water or something like just get out
28:14
to nature and, and pause, you know, and stop and just let that
28:18
be the thing that comforts and heals you.
28:20
And in minutes, you know, kind of clear your mind.
28:23
Let let the the troubles and things that that affect you
28:27
negatively, just let them be absorbed into that nature, you
28:31
know, and then receive back that healing and it'll comfort you.
28:35
It'll give you comfort. It'll give you peace.
28:37
And it's not going to solve the problem for you, but it's going
28:39
to put you, at least for me, it puts me in a state of mind to
28:43
work through the difficult things.
28:45
It it puts me in a state of mind that to better with like to
28:50
better to better deal with it. I don't know if that's how it
28:52
works for you, Patrick, but. No, we'll certainly, without a
28:55
doubt. Yeah.
29:02
John says I can't agree with non judgmental in nature.
29:05
The the the fae and whites as a bunch of our judgmental pricks.
29:10
So are the feral cats. Listen, nature is nature.
29:12
It's not that they're being judgmental.
29:14
It's that they are doing what they're supposed to do.
29:16
Nature is wild, nature is uncontrollable and nature is
29:19
just going to do what it do. I mean, it's the law of the
29:21
jungle. It's it's the law of the
29:23
mountains. The sea is always right.
29:25
Doesn't matter what you think what you want.
29:27
I mean, it is what it is and you're, you know, so you're
29:30
subject to it. We're subject to it when we when
29:32
we put ourselves into that space.
29:34
But we are also nature. We come from that same thing.
29:38
We are a part of all of that. We are part of the same universe
29:41
that created everything that we touch and see and experience and
29:45
even the things that we don't necessarily see, but that we
29:47
feel, we feel it because we are it.
29:51
So there's, there's this involvement, there's the
29:54
cyclical nature, there's this, you know, we are all descended
30:01
from the one great being if you want to look at it that way,
30:03
right? It was always there it.
30:07
Was always there. It was always been there.
30:10
And Kristen says she's going to start going out into the woods
30:12
again and then she stopped a while ago.
30:14
Well, I hope it helps. I believe it will.
30:15
I believe you will find good things for you there.
30:20
Earth is healing that people forget.
30:22
It's a great reminder. Thank you for that.
30:25
Vegas, Vegas, Trina, thank you for that.
30:29
David also says that he's got to get to work.
30:31
And may the old gods have favor upon you and you can thank you
30:34
David, to you as well, Sir. Have a good night.
30:36
Thank you for chiming in and watching for a bit.
30:40
So this kind of opens up a good Segway Patrick, to to really get
30:43
into deepening our connection, right?
30:46
And and why do we want to deepen our connection with the V tier
30:49
or the spirits of the land? What are some things that you
30:56
know, why is it so important to us?
30:58
Then again, finding the why and the purpose of things.
31:00
Why do we do those types of things?
31:03
To connect our or to deepen our connection?
31:06
That's part of who we are. This is our Earth, all these
31:10
creatures. Why don't we have that separate
31:15
connection between all humans and the the animals?
31:21
And we're really not that far off, though.
31:26
Yeah, you know, I know. And it's I was talking, I think
31:32
like last week I was, I was mentioning how, you know, you,
31:35
you look outside or you walk through the woods and you see
31:37
all these things. You know, you see the rocks, the
31:39
trees, the, the, the earth, the river, the animals that, you
31:43
know, squirrels, chipmunks, armadillos, deer, turkeys,
31:46
vultures, herons, right? All of the, the various
31:51
creatures that exist in that, in that space, you know, and to
31:54
anybody else that that could just be what they are.
31:56
It's, you know, they're, it's the trees, it's the rocks, it's
31:59
the birds, it's the bees, it's the whatever.
32:02
But for so many of us, you know, we recognize that they are the
32:08
embodiment of spirit, just like we are an embodiment of spirit.
32:16
You know what you see what we have to, to, to show for our
32:21
physical selves. It's, it's temporary.
32:26
It's, it's, you know, it's our rental for the week or whatever,
32:30
you know what I mean? It's this thing that we were,
32:33
that we were put in to live and exist a period of time in this
32:39
form. But it's not what it's not who
32:44
we are. It's, it's just what we people
32:47
see. So to a lot of us, you know, you
32:51
know, heathens especially, but like animistic people that,
32:54
that, that tend to lean into the animistic side of things.
32:56
Whether you're heathen or not, whether you use that term to
32:58
describe your spirituality or not, it's still an animistic
33:04
view of the world because we recognize and believe in that
33:07
there is spirit in all things. So the reason why we, we, we
33:13
wish to, to strengthen and to deepen our connection is, is
33:16
like what Patrick said, you know, it's part of us.
33:18
It's who we are and to feel that connection with those, with
33:24
those beings, it's like a, it's like a, you know, it's like a
33:30
kinship in a way. I think I used the, the example
33:34
of like, you know, if you're, if you know Patrick, you and I, you
33:38
know, we're good friends. We talk almost every day to some
33:40
degree. You know, we're brothers.
33:43
We have that connection and that a connection established in a
33:47
way, but it continued and it became what it has because of
33:51
the reciprocity, because of the gifting cycle, because of this
33:55
equal exchange or this constant, you know, cyclical nature of the
34:02
relationship, you know. And so strengthening our bonds
34:08
with, with the other spirits of the land is, is when we do spend
34:11
more time with them, when we are around and in their space, like
34:14
that strengthens a bond, I believe at least it, it because
34:18
they're, they're more, they, they see us, we see them, we're,
34:21
we're around them. They, they recognize us, you
34:24
know, so it's not like a person who became friends with somebody
34:29
and then 20 years go by and they never speak.
34:31
And then they pop up again later on.
34:33
And it's like, oh, Dang, where have you been, you know, and
34:35
what have you been up to? It's, you know, it, there's that
34:38
that connection isn't the same, you know, 'cause they haven't
34:44
fed that. Sorry, when we're experiencing
34:47
like spiritual disconnection too, a lot of us, including
34:51
myself at times, would like to seek out the gods.
34:57
And while that's a great idea, I think you might have mentioned
35:00
this before too though, is in some ways that the spiritual man
35:07
don't receive as much credit as the gods as much as they should
35:10
sometimes. And also like, I feel like the
35:14
spirits of the land so are more of like a day-to-day, you know,
35:19
experience, whereas the gods typically, from my personal
35:24
opinion, experience is during time of celebrations, crisis,
35:30
holidays, you know, holy tides. Yeah.
35:34
Well, yeah, that that kind of touches on a video the the
35:38
podcast from a couple of weeks ago where I talk about the the
35:42
concept of the of gods of limited access because they are
35:47
divine, because they are sacred. They are their existence and
35:52
their presence is different than ours is because we exist in
35:57
profane space, profane space and time.
36:00
And the gods exist and function in in sacred space and time.
36:05
And they are also, you know, acting of their own agency.
36:09
They are not able to be in all places at all times.
36:12
They, they, you know, so to, to, to interact with them.
36:18
And this is, this is, by the way, this is like a, a very
36:20
heathen view of things, right? So this is not necessarily the,
36:27
you know, and it's very a specific type of, of heathen
36:30
view on things, right? So not necessarily speaking on
36:32
behalf of every heathen out here that may be listening or
36:36
watching this, You know, some, some heathens may not agree or
36:39
believe in the concept of the gods being sort of limited in
36:44
how we can access them. But to Patrick's point, with the
36:50
spirits of the land, they're always around because they exist
36:54
in the same time and space that we do.
36:57
And all it takes is a moment to go out and engage with them on
37:03
the land in the in the in nature.
37:06
You know, this is this is a very common way for for for ancient
37:12
peoples to think the land was if the land was doing good, the
37:17
spirits of the land were happy. If there was turmoil, if the
37:20
land was not doing good, it was because the spirits of the land
37:24
were upset or they were mad or they were, they were, they were
37:26
scared or something, right Had had disturbed them to the point
37:29
what that the land responded accordingly.
37:35
So, yeah, having those, having those times like you, I think,
37:41
Patrick, you're saying like in crisis or when it's tough, right
37:43
to you want to reach out to the gods because they are this
37:47
greater, larger than than life figures.
37:50
You know what I mean? They're, they're, they're so
37:52
powerful and they're, and they're, they're all the stories
37:55
about them, you know what I mean?
38:00
And there's something I want to touch on.
38:02
Sorry to keep cutting you off. I'm horrible talking tonight.
38:07
There's something I want to touch on.
38:08
I'm going to answer the call on nature really quick here, but
38:13
I'll be back very soon to touch on that topic.
38:16
OK. Yeah, go ahead.
38:17
I'll catch up on some comments all.
38:18
Right. Thank you.
38:19
Yeah, right here. So let's see, John is asking
38:24
what is your thought on the notion that the gods may view us
38:29
as living in sacred space as we view them in the same light?
38:34
Or would you speculate that they have their own divinity that
38:38
they Revere? It's a good question, I guess.
38:47
I don't think that the gods are, are, I mean, you have, you know,
38:53
these old gods, you know, we, we refer to them as, you know, you
38:57
know, old heathen gods, you know, Odin and Thor and, and
39:01
tear and, and stuff. But I, I think that there's
39:05
rankings or levels, you know, 'cause then you go back even
39:07
further, right? The, the, the, who the gods
39:09
descended from, you know, the yolked and the like, you know,
39:15
Emir and, and this all these, these primal or primeval or
39:20
primordial is the, is the word. I'm looking for primordial
39:23
beings, you know, So if it were, if we had to think, if there was
39:30
a divinity that divinity also reveres, I don't think that
39:36
that's really how it works. But I, you know, I don't think
39:41
that the gods see us as as the same as we see them.
39:45
They are the gods. They are maybe not, you know,
39:50
eternal, but but they have a much higher life.
39:55
They have a hot a longer life. They have much more power with
39:58
everything that that that we know of about them.
40:02
I don't think what we can deduce is that they are seeing less in
40:07
the same time or the same space as we see them.
40:13
Maybe. Maybe they have a a view of of.
40:17
Their descendants, you know, who they came from the primordial
40:20
forces like, you know, Emir and anger Boda and and these these
40:24
other, you know, Suter and some of these primordial forces that
40:27
the gods come from as their ancestors.
40:32
But that's how I think. I mean, that's me personally,
40:34
how I think they would view them as is as their own, as their
40:37
ancestors. So in a much similar way as we
40:40
would look to our ancestors for strength, you know, perhaps, you
40:43
know, and this is all, this is all speculative.
40:46
It's all UPG, you know. So yes, it is an opinion or a
40:50
thought. But the notion that the gods
40:53
view us living in sacred space now, I think, I think they are
40:57
higher than us. They, I think they outrank us in
40:59
that way. And and that we, they know that
41:03
their time is, is sacred time. Their space is sacred space and
41:07
ours is not. We are on Midgard.
41:11
They are not, not, not in the way that we are, you know, not
41:15
in the same sort of way. Patrick, you're back now.
41:22
So we'll get to Michael's question and then we'll come
41:24
back to the topic there is, is Michael says, do you think that
41:29
building a coal forge in a very in a vey, do you think that
41:35
building a coal forge in a vey could provide any benefit?
41:40
I've been thinking of this as a way to try and dedicate my
41:44
amateur blacksmithing to the gods, but I know that the land
41:48
spirits and he puts another comment says dislike worked
41:55
metals. Yeah, I mean we'll see what else
42:03
he says. I probably wouldn't actually
42:04
build the forge. I've weighed the cost, the
42:08
weighed the cons many times and never have seen enough benefit
42:11
myself. I mean, it really just depends
42:15
on what you're what you're going for.
42:17
Michael, I think you know a coal forge, it gives you got to
42:22
think, you know what is, what is a vey, a vey or a herger or or a
42:27
sacred Grove. These are all terms that that
42:32
indicate that that that is a place that that we go to enter
42:40
sacred time and space. It is a place for ritual.
42:43
It is a place for ritual work. It is a place to like I
42:49
mentioned a few weeks ago, right, Sacred spaces are locked
42:54
doors and the ritual that we perform is the combination to
42:58
that locked door. So the locked door on the other
43:01
side is gives us access to the gods and sacred time and space
43:05
and all of that. And if we're not doing anything
43:08
in that space, that is that consists of the ritual work,
43:12
you're basically just fumbling with a key or, or trying to
43:17
enter a combination that that that doesn't match.
43:22
So in my mind, when I think of putting anything in a vay, it is
43:28
for the sole purpose to facilitate the ritual work that
43:32
takes place there, the right ritual work, either the
43:36
combination to that lock, as it were.
43:40
So I mean, maybe if the, the, the, the Vey was a dedication to
43:47
Thor himself, you know, and sort of got the, the Thor being, you
43:53
know, the God that that is most associated with blacksmiths and,
43:56
and the forge and all of that. And everything that was done in
44:00
that vey was a dedication and was ritual to, to invoke Thor.
44:06
Then the coal forge would probably be one of the most
44:09
powerful things you could put in that space.
44:12
If you know your, your vey is, is a mixed thing to, to, to
44:15
connect with all of the gods, both Acer and Vanier.
44:19
I don't know how how well that would fit.
44:24
Again, you know, don't you don't have to take my word for it.
44:27
But if you're asking, you know, my thoughts or opinions, I think
44:31
knowing what the purpose of the vey is and, and what it's
44:34
intended for is, again, it's sacred space.
44:36
It's, it's, it's design is to be the, the place that the people
44:39
can go to access the holy and have and get access to the holy.
44:45
So if the things that are being put into the vey facilitate that
44:48
and can work towards that, then that's all well and good 'cause,
44:55
you know, we don't know all of what things were involved or
44:58
included in, in, in Groves, sacred Groves.
45:03
There might be some old laws that, that, that prohibit
45:06
certain items, you know, metal maybe being one of them.
45:09
I don't, I can't, I can't quote for sure a source.
45:13
I feel like I've heard that somewhere.
45:15
I just don't know where. And I don't want to go on record
45:17
as saying that's for sure, but it's possible.
45:19
And I would have to look more into it to know if that's a
45:23
thing. But yeah, there's, there's,
45:28
there's my answer to that. I hope I answered it well.
45:33
I can't speak on his behalf of that.
45:35
That's pretty great answer. And upon that I know I had a
45:40
point I wanted to make. Yeah, but actually I have a
45:42
question for you. So I don't have a secure gear, a
45:51
place so divinity like I have a tree in my backyard I go to to
45:57
make offerings and, you know, to celebrate the spirits of land
46:02
and my own backyard. But what if I have a sacred
46:06
place, for example, the place that I've been visiting more
46:09
times than I care to count in the last week alone.
46:14
So this is the place that I know I can perform rituals, but this
46:18
is a public park. Is this something that's maybe
46:23
not advised or what are your opinions on that?
46:27
Because honestly, like I've only wanted to share and I have
46:29
shared the, this last couple weeks, I just this place, this
46:34
is where I find my divinity and my inspiration, whether it be
46:40
I'm feeling happy, inspired, sad, depressed, or seeking
46:45
inspiration again. It's just it's that kind of
46:48
place for me, but it's very unconventional.
46:51
Right. Yeah, that's so much of what we
46:54
find now and today, right. It's it's non traditional, it's
46:56
unconventional. It's oh man, you know, I've I've
47:01
maintained an opinion for the longest time that having ritual
47:11
right bloat or any sort of official thing like that in a
47:17
public space is I don't want to say like it can't be done.
47:22
I just with the way that our world is set up and how diverse
47:29
everything is, I don't know how effective having a public space,
47:37
which is accessible to hundreds, if not thousands of people a
47:41
year, how, how one can maintain the idea of a sacred growth
47:49
under those conditions. What I do think, however, is
47:54
that because of nature, being is what it is and as sacred as what
47:57
it is and, and how we are part of nature, right?
48:01
We can, we can provide our offerings, we can connect with
48:05
spirit, we can do things that give us that fulfillment as
48:10
spiritual beings wherever we find ourselves.
48:14
It can be at the ocean, it can be at a public park, it can be
48:17
in the woods, you know, 50 miles off the beaten path.
48:23
I don't think that we are quite so limited to those conditions
48:30
or those, those outliers for such things as I'm talking
48:35
about, right? Connecting with spirit and, and,
48:37
and the divinity that kind of exists within all of us, that
48:40
the spirit that is, that is us. I think if you're taking it
48:44
through a, from a, from a Germanic heathen lens, right?
48:48
That the Grove, the the the vey, the space, it needs to be set in
48:55
a place that can be properly kept and maintained as sacred
48:59
space, you know, free of disruption from outside forces
49:08
that that don't have any interest or investment in it.
49:13
You know, and I know there's a lot of like work that's been
49:20
that's been done over the years by different groups and people
49:24
that, that, that want to host or hold public events that involve
49:28
a ritual and or include a ritual.
49:30
And I think it's great. It's a it's a great gesture.
49:32
I think it's beautiful done. You know, a lot of times when
49:35
you get to see some of the the things set up like, you know,
49:39
mid guards bloat over Norway every year.
49:42
You know, they really pull it off like they they get the whole
49:45
they get the big the God poles with the but with the blood and
49:48
and they you know, they do what it looks like to be, you know, a
49:53
really authentic looking blow to a ritual and there's so many
50:01
people that are there. Again, you know, I can't I'm not
50:03
an authority on it. I just again, in my opinion, and
50:08
I wouldn't, you know, I wouldn't turn down on the offer or the OR
50:11
the chance to, to go and participate and see something
50:13
like that, you know, but I don't know if I answered your, your
50:20
question. No, you did.
50:21
And I kind of already have my own answer and the places
50:27
specifically have in mind will be saved for special occasions,
50:32
but not on a regular basis. And I know I have places very
50:36
near to my house available to me to set as such a sacred, you
50:41
know, space for myself that I could actually 10 But also the
50:46
your answer makes perfect sense, too, because you have such
50:50
diverse energies and none of them, a lot of them are probably
50:54
not going to play to our advantage.
50:57
I mean, they have, you know, various walks of life.
50:59
They have, you know, people who have families, you have
51:03
Christians, you have all walks of life walking this path.
51:07
And you have people who have, you know, reference for the
51:10
creatures around. And there are people who walk on
51:13
hikes who don't have that reference that throw away trash,
51:16
for example, like. Oh yeah.
51:18
Just seeing wrappers, water bottles, soda can, it's like,
51:23
come on, you're coming out here to hike.
51:25
You got to have some level of appreciation and reference for
51:30
this place that you're, you know, enjoying and experiencing.
51:36
Yeah, yeah, that's the thing too is, you know, because everything
51:39
is, you know the you said that, you know, it's the diversity
51:44
and, and, and how things may not mix or play well with each
51:48
other. I'd go right like there's at
51:51
least with with a heathen vey or a heathen Grove, right.
51:55
Like, you know, that that's it's for our doing bloat to the
52:01
heathen gods. You know, it's not just some
52:04
public, you know, like you walk into and I hate to use these
52:09
examples, but you know, you've been to like these old
52:11
metaphysical stores where they got this like little altar set
52:13
up and it's like every Tom Dick and Harry is in there and you
52:16
got Athena, you got Zeus, you got, you know, Buddha, you know,
52:20
you got a a statue of Frey or whatever.
52:22
And it's like. You have such a mirror in Jesus
52:24
too. Yeah, yeah, right.
52:25
They got a crucifix on them, you know what I mean?
52:27
Like. It's.
52:28
Very. Yeah, it's wild.
52:29
And I guess go man, all right. Kind of.
52:32
It's almost too much to be around, really, because it's
52:35
like you're in a melting pot, quite literally.
52:38
Yeah. Yeah, it's Egyptian Papian over
52:40
here, Greek Christian. Like what's going on?
52:43
Yeah. So I don't know, like maybe
52:46
that's just my, maybe that's just me.
52:51
And in the sense that I think that Heathenry is Heathenry,
52:53
right. And let's keep it such and let's
52:55
try to preserve those traditions as what they are.
52:57
And let's not get to let's not mix the waters up too bad.
53:00
Let's understand, you know, how how syncretism is and that
53:03
there's things that come from different cultures that have
53:05
been formed and have helped build traditions, right?
53:07
But let's what we know that is even tradition it's it's it's
53:11
build off of that you know, unless.
53:12
You want to keep it refined and specific rather than diluted
53:16
and. Just right, yeah.
53:18
Mixed together? Yeah, the mixed.
53:19
Kind of my take on it. Because one of my closest
53:22
friends, she's very eclectic and I love that respect that very
53:26
much. And there is times I told you
53:28
too, where I had my interest into MyHeritage, into the Celtic
53:33
gods. I'm like, you know, how do you
53:35
feel about me trying to get my attention to the Norse gods, the
53:37
Celtic gods? And you know, it took a couple
53:40
weeks and I'm like, this is just too much.
53:43
I mean, you have your, your inspirations, you have your
53:47
deities you've already established a connection with.
53:51
And I feel like, again, to each their own.
53:53
Some people can pull this off. Me personally, I couldn't.
53:56
It's just when you have your daily practice, you're getting
54:01
inertia. You're creating rituals.
54:03
A lot of the rituals we do like waking up, making that pot of
54:06
coffee or waking up going on that hike, or, you know, it goes
54:10
on and on and on. But when you keep doing it, it
54:13
just gains that energy, that momentum, and with that momentum
54:22
carries that weight and that that power, sure, that you gave
54:28
by doing it so very much. But then sometimes it becomes
54:33
repetitive, boring, and then sometimes you just want to
54:38
switch it up and, you know, explore other options.
54:45
Yeah, I know what you mean. Like having those, those
54:50
individual practices, the things that we, I've talked before,
54:53
like hearth cult, you know, individual cultic practices, the
54:56
things that you do that are unique to your spirituality, you
55:00
know, doesn't have to be quote UN quote heathen or Pagan or
55:05
whatever. It's just what Patrick does or
55:07
what Jesse does or what Michael does or whoever does, you know
55:11
what I mean? It's our, it's with a purpose
55:15
and it's, it's our way of, you know, connecting with spirit or
55:20
connecting with our ancestors or doing what it takes for us to
55:22
feel fulfilled in that way. And then that's everybody should
55:28
have that, you know, even heathens, every, you know, every
55:31
heathen home I think is, you know, whether it's a one person
55:34
home or a three or four person family or whatever, right?
55:38
Those those practices, those traditions, those ways of doing
55:43
things are unique to that family, to that person, and it
55:48
should be preserved as such. Yeah.
55:53
What does John Evans say here? Problem is there in America,
55:56
people gets squeamish when it comes to bloat.
55:59
And a lot of people in public would crap over everything
56:04
because they're morons and are usually just trying to to grass
56:11
stand and they would have no respect for it.
56:14
And I've tried doing public rituals.
56:16
Each time they failed miserably. Yeah, Yeah.
56:19
Like I said, you know, I mean, I've gone to a couple of things
56:24
that were staged as a public event.
56:28
I don't wanna say stage like in, you know that it was like a it
56:34
was, it was available to the public.
56:36
You know, there was this is what it is.
56:38
This is everybody knew what it was.
56:39
Organized. Yeah, but it was, it was not, it
56:42
was not closed off to the, the kindred or the tribe that hosted
56:45
it, You know what I mean? Like they, they have their own
56:48
closed off things that only their, their members can
56:50
participate in. But then they have, you know,
56:54
an, an open of or public thing that other people can come and
56:59
be a part of and, and those types of things because they
57:01
were well ordered and well structured and everybody knew
57:04
what it was that we're, that we're engaging in and partaking
57:08
in that ritual went off well and those rituals go off well.
57:14
So I said, you know, everything being kind of, you know, you got
57:21
to, you got to, I guess there's no one universal answer.
57:24
I just, I think when it comes to like really big, major things,
57:27
it's, it's, it's tough to, to maintain that, that, that sense
57:31
of holiness to the ritual. When you get, when you've got
57:35
people that are coming in that don't understand it.
57:38
They don't have the sense of, of, of understanding what it
57:41
means to set sacred space and to establish sacred space.
57:46
They don't understand what that means.
57:49
So when they come and, and they're just, I just wanted to
57:51
see what it's like, you know, that their heart's not in it.
57:53
They're they're, they're not coming to experience the true
58:00
meaning of it. They're just kind of there to
58:02
well, you know, piqued my, you know, this piqued my interest.
58:05
Let's see what it's like. So I think in that way it's,
58:10
it's, you know, doesn't doesn't measure up quite so well.
58:20
And sometimes it's necessary to have that kind of experience to
58:22
have that appreciation for when you have that designated, you
58:27
know, sacred space place. You could actually cultures
58:31
ceremonies with, you know, without any outside.
58:35
I mean, I hell, I've been, I've been, I've been at, at some
58:38
rituals that like again, they were, they were, you could feel
58:41
the presence of the gods. At least I could.
58:44
Or what I, you know, what I felt was was the presence of the
58:46
holy. And then there were others where
58:48
it was like this just feels fake.
58:51
It didn't feel right. You know, it doesn't feel the
58:56
the the intensity of the degree of which the that that felt was
59:00
different. So you know, you're not going to
59:02
get the same experience every single time.
59:04
You know, it's kind of being realistic and being fair.
59:07
You know, you're not going to have the same experience at
59:11
ritual twice. You know, it's like I'm.
59:15
Sorry. It's just like going to a
59:18
Highland ritual. I've been the five.
59:21
Never one is the same. Never.
59:23
Yeah, You know, like my first time.
59:25
It's funny. They're off in the crowd.
59:27
They're like this big. And despite them being so far
59:31
away, I was like, I'm there. It's my first ritual.
59:34
I'm loving it. And there's other rituals, you
59:37
know, these have people saying unsavory things or people who
59:39
are clearly invited by a friend who are wearing like, a Slayer
59:43
shirt. And you're like, what is going
59:45
on right now? Right.
59:48
Nothing wrong with Slayer either, you know.
59:50
No, don't get me wrong, I love Slayer.
59:53
You know that's not what I'm enjoying, a ritual.
59:59
But then again, you meet people who are on your level and
1:00:03
sometimes you talk to them afterwards and you establish a
1:00:06
connection that you never imagined possible.
1:00:09
Yeah, yeah. So.
1:00:14
I think I'm ready to get to my point.
1:00:15
Whatever. Yeah, go ahead.
1:00:17
Yeah, let's go. So and just that's why I add to
1:00:23
you, Jesse and anyone who's watching.
1:00:25
I've been struggling talking because I keep hearing my voice
1:00:28
coming back after each time I talk.
1:00:31
It's like disrupting my concentration greatly.
1:00:34
I'm just like oh damn. I'm sorry, that's fine.
1:00:38
But speaking on my own behalf, again, when we, we have
1:00:47
established that connection to the spirits of land, we see it
1:00:53
anytime we go outside. And that's just such a beautiful
1:00:58
experience. You know, like there's times I'm
1:01:01
driving out to one of my parks or one of my hikes and on the
1:01:05
way I just see like a rental hawk flying over or just perched
1:01:09
above just kind of looking at me.
1:01:12
Or just the other day I went to Rubber Run Park and I had a very
1:01:17
special encounter. It's the first time I'm telling
1:01:21
you, actually, Jesse. But so one day I was just
1:01:25
feeling out of sorts and I didn't know what to do.
1:01:27
I'm like, you know what, I'm off for the rest of the evening.
1:01:31
I'm going to go to Rut Run Park. And you know, if I see some
1:01:33
deer, some Hawks, cool, whatever.
1:01:36
And I got in there. I was there for a good deal of
1:01:38
time and starting to feel discouraged and I'm just like,
1:01:40
man, I felt weak, felt horrible. I'm just like man, I just
1:01:46
thought out loud like I just want to see some deer or a hawk
1:01:49
and then I turn over I see 2 deer and I see a hawk fly right
1:01:59
in front of the deer. I was speechless.
1:02:05
Yeah, yeah, dude, those moments when, you know, it's like, OK,
1:02:12
you know, that that moment was going to happen with or without
1:02:16
me being there, but it did happen with me being here, you
1:02:22
know, or you know what I mean? Like this could have happened
1:02:25
and you couldn't have been there, but you were there.
1:02:33
So it makes it even more special, you know, to, to, to be
1:02:36
in their presence when they're doing their thing, you know,
1:02:38
when they're embraced in the moment, when they're, you know.
1:02:43
It's just like, again, engaging with that, that appreciation for
1:02:49
our Earth, the trees, the setting of the sun, the rising
1:02:54
of the moon. It's when you find the beauty in
1:02:58
these things, life becomes so much more witching.
1:03:03
And don't get me wrong, there's going to be plenty of times that
1:03:06
sometimes I walk outside, I see an amazing moon.
1:03:08
I'm like, eh, all right, I'll have to go back inside.
1:03:11
And other times I'm just like, wow, really standing in awe.
1:03:16
Yeah, yeah. Like, let me just stop here and,
1:03:20
and appreciate this moment in time, you know, because we, we,
1:03:26
we, we, we get so engrossed in other crap that it's, it
1:03:32
distracts us from just the realness, the beauty of things,
1:03:38
you know, the beauty of nature, the beauty of, of our, of our
1:03:41
home, of ourselves, you know, and it's, you know, it's, it's
1:03:50
there, there is beauty in darkness.
1:03:52
There's beauty in the rough times too.
1:03:53
Because when you see, you know, nature being brutal, you know,
1:03:59
when, when you see things that are scary sometimes, or that,
1:04:03
you know, that, that cause you to respond in, in fear or in
1:04:07
alarm, or there's beauty in that too, 'cause it's part of it.
1:04:12
It's part of all of it, you know, And it's like, I can't,
1:04:15
you know, you can't, you can't just take the, the bright and
1:04:18
sunshiny days, you know what I mean?
1:04:20
You can't just think that that's all of what it is.
1:04:23
It's, you know, sometimes the, the, the storm is, is raging
1:04:28
hard and it doesn't seem like it's going to let up.
1:04:30
And that's part of it. And what's really beautiful too,
1:04:34
though, is he had these natural disasters that occur and it's
1:04:40
downright horrible. Like those storms have passed
1:04:45
like last year on far the mountain.
1:04:49
You see all these place. There's this devastating and you
1:04:51
see the outreach of the communities really sacrificing,
1:04:56
offering everything they can. It's just that sense community
1:05:01
after such a travesty, whether that be again, via, you know,
1:05:06
storms or personal afflictions. Like Jesse, I've been going
1:05:10
through a mess of time and seeing you, our tribe, you know,
1:05:16
my friends, my family out reaching, reaching out to me,
1:05:20
helping me. You know, it's a horrible time
1:05:22
for just seeing all these people.
1:05:24
And when I'm going on my hikes by myself, when I feel lost, I'm
1:05:27
really not lost. I have so much around me and I
1:05:34
love those forces or not necessarily with me physically.
1:05:38
They are most certainly there spiritually.
1:05:42
Yeah, that's, that's, that's the beauty of it, you know, that's
1:05:45
these. And because we feel on so many
1:05:48
levels, right, we, we can connect and feel and feel
1:05:52
connected and feel engaged and feel part of these things,
1:05:55
whether they're visible to the naked eye or not.
1:05:58
It's, they're still there. And we, we, we feel them in
1:06:01
different ways. And it's whether it's, you know,
1:06:04
standing there and feeling the, the, I don't know.
1:06:07
Have you ever had like, moments where you just like, feel
1:06:09
something and there's nothing really around for you to explain
1:06:14
or or or give a logical reason why you felt that particular
1:06:18
thing? Yes, going back to my hikes that
1:06:22
have been going on again is the the one time I I know I told you
1:06:28
about I went to the the Dogwood and Woodbine trail.
1:06:36
I finished both the trails and that's like 3 hours of hiking
1:06:39
and I got what I wanted but I didn't and I couldn't explain
1:06:45
why. I just felt this real deep sense
1:06:49
of appreciation and connection to the earth.
1:06:53
And I've been there for a while, but this something told me just
1:06:57
like keep walking, you're meant to be here, you need to heal.
1:07:03
It's like I almost felt like the man was, like, telling me, like
1:07:05
Patrick. No.
1:07:07
Yeah, you think you got what you came for, but you're just a
1:07:09
little bit longer. Right.
1:07:11
Yeah, We're not done with you yet.
1:07:14
Exactly, and I hope that was revellings what you're.
1:07:18
At yeah, yeah, exactly. You know, like, you know, I've,
1:07:21
I've had those, those, those moments on the trail or, or, and
1:07:26
the trail will do that. I think, you know, going out on
1:07:29
hikes, anything that's, you know, several miles long, your
1:07:34
endurance is going to be tested. Your, your, your will, your
1:07:39
spirit is going to be tested on the trails.
1:07:42
And you have to dig deep. Sometimes, man, sometimes it's,
1:07:44
it's a tough trail and your physical body wants to give up.
1:07:49
Your spirit is going to drive you, your spirits going to push
1:07:51
you. And, and it, it teaches such a
1:07:54
valuable lesson because that's life.
1:07:56
That's life, man. Sometimes you just don't want to
1:07:58
get up out of bed. Sometimes you don't want to get
1:08:00
up, get dressed. Sometimes you don't want to take
1:08:01
a shower. Sometimes you don't want to do
1:08:02
the physical things that you need to do, but your spirit says
1:08:07
do it anyway. I'd do it anyway.
1:08:12
Doesn't matter if I'm sad, doesn't matter if I'm mad.
1:08:14
Does it matter if I'm depressed? Obsessed.
1:08:17
I do it anyway. And a lot of times, you know,
1:08:21
we're in that mindset. For example, you know, sometimes
1:08:26
you don't want to go for a hike or hang out with a friend or
1:08:30
anything like that. You find yourself and to force
1:08:32
yourself to do it when you're not feeling like I want to do
1:08:36
it. It's very beautiful.
1:08:38
All about the time that Burge like, wow, why didn't I do that?
1:08:41
Why was I so scared to do that? Like, oh come on, I didn't do
1:08:44
that again. Right.
1:08:46
What have I been waiting for? It's just again, like sometimes
1:08:48
we get to couple with feeling like not feeling sad.
1:08:53
It's OK to feel sad, but sometimes you need someone like,
1:08:57
hey, it's OK to feel sad, but come on, come back to us.
1:09:01
Come. Back to us.
1:09:03
Come back. Sorry to just say here Kristen
1:09:05
is gonna go. She said she's feeling sleep
1:09:08
coming on and she said goodnight to both of us and thanks for the
1:09:11
advice You're welcome, Kristen. Thanks for thanks for asking
1:09:13
first of all and. Put yourself by too.
1:09:17
Yeah, Thanks for thanks for giving us something to think
1:09:20
about, you know, to talk about because, you know, you're right,
1:09:22
Patrick, it's, you know, it's, it's, I think it's easy for.
1:09:26
I don't think, I mean, it is, it's, it's easy for all of us to
1:09:32
get absorbed in those emotional traps.
1:09:38
You know what I mean? It's like it's, it sucks us in,
1:09:41
you know, when we're feeling down for, for, for a lot of
1:09:45
people, when we're down, we're down and there's no coming up.
1:09:51
It seems, you know, like we're just and, and if all we're
1:09:57
there, yeah, if if all that we're doing is just there in
1:10:00
ourselves thinking about it. But then you got like you say,
1:10:05
you got, you got those people that love you and care for your,
1:10:08
your family, your friends and stuff that are like, hey, get
1:10:12
up, stand up, dust yourself off. Let's let's, let's do something,
1:10:16
right? Let's what can I do to get your
1:10:17
mind off of this thing? And it's not to try to again,
1:10:20
It's not. I don't think that those
1:10:21
gestures are are intended to be like distracting from from what
1:10:30
you're feeling. It's more of a like.
1:10:33
Reminder. Yeah, you know, like this, it's
1:10:37
not, this isn't forever. Like you're feeling this way.
1:10:39
It is what it is. But hey, you know, like there's
1:10:43
other things too. There's there's this other stuff
1:10:46
too. And and if, if, if we're only
1:10:51
ever just because man, you know, life can, can really throw some
1:10:58
shit at us. You know, nobody's exempt.
1:11:01
It's, it's we're all, we're all going to feel it from time to
1:11:03
time. And just how we deal with it is,
1:11:07
is, is is really what matters. You know, I like, I like to
1:11:11
think of that one line from The Lord of the Rings where, you
1:11:18
know, Frodo has the ring and it's a burden and it.
1:11:22
Sucks and. He can't handle it, you know,
1:11:25
And he's like, I just, I wish that this thing had never come
1:11:28
to me. I wish none of this had ever
1:11:30
happened, you know? And Gandalf says, and so do all
1:11:34
who live to see such times. And that's not for us to decide.
1:11:38
All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given
1:11:41
to us. I.
1:11:43
Love our lives so much. You know, and it and it and it
1:11:47
resonates in real life, you know, yes, it sucks.
1:11:52
Yes, I hate this. Yes, it makes me sad.
1:11:54
Yes, I'm upset. Yes, you know, I don't want to
1:11:58
do all these things. Well, you're not alone, you
1:12:01
know, you might be feeling it a different way than than the next
1:12:07
person, but you're not alone in what you're feeling.
1:12:11
So what do you do with that? You know, even the smallest
1:12:16
things can change the course of the future.
1:12:18
All it takes is that one step. It starts with that one step.
1:12:23
It might seem like a big thing to have to overcome on the in
1:12:26
the, in the grand scheme of things, but you know, hey, it
1:12:29
starts with one step. Work towards that goal.
1:12:33
Know what that goal is and start working towards it.
1:12:36
If you have to chip away at it, if you have to crawl towards it,
1:12:39
if you have to fall down a little bit along the way, but at
1:12:43
least you know, advance push, you know, the, the, the goal at
1:12:50
the end of it is, is worth it. And then when you reach that
1:12:54
goal, you're better conditioned and you're better ready to, to
1:12:58
withstand the next thing that comes along because there's
1:13:00
going to be something else. You know, it, it's just the way
1:13:04
it is. I, I've had a lot of of chances
1:13:12
to reflect on my life as a young person growing up into
1:13:19
adulthood, into the man that I am now.
1:13:22
And even still, the man that I'm becoming as I'm growing, you
1:13:25
know, reflecting upon the last, you know, 40 years of my life
1:13:33
and what I can remember and where I can remember things from
1:13:36
and seeing and being a part of another person's life who is
1:13:41
entering into their adulthood years, you know, being a, a, a
1:13:47
father figure, a mentor to a young man who is becoming a man.
1:13:53
And it's time to learn things about life that our life, you
1:13:58
know, and I go man, you know, I was that kid once and I had men
1:14:03
in my life that helped me learn some things and then get, you
1:14:07
know, get prepared. And that's, you know, now the
1:14:14
now the task is upon me and I did I ask for it, right?
1:14:18
No, I didn't. I didn't ask for this.
1:14:22
I didn't. You're getting the opportunity
1:14:23
and you're Susan. But I got it given to me.
1:14:27
So what are you going to do with it, Jesse?
1:14:28
What are you going to do with this, this gift that has been
1:14:31
given to you? Are you going to shrug it off?
1:14:34
Is it no big deal? And no, I didn't want to do it,
1:14:37
so I'm not going to do it. Or are you going to man up?
1:14:39
Are you going to step up to this situation?
1:14:44
And I'm choosing, I'm choosing that, you know, even if it means
1:14:52
some other things that I would rather be doing.
1:14:55
Maybe, you know, my personal desires and this and that aren't
1:14:58
getting met elsewhere. Like you've got, you've got
1:15:02
other things to to be focused on now, you know, And that's what
1:15:08
it means to serve. That's what it means to lead by
1:15:11
deed. It's what's good for others.
1:15:15
It's what's good for the rest. It's might be, might be tougher
1:15:19
for the individual doing it might be tough, but you, you
1:15:21
push through because everybody else is more important.
1:15:24
So it's selflessness, you know, But yeah, it doesn't make it
1:15:34
doesn't mean that it's easy. Doesn't mean that there aren't
1:15:36
days that I go, man, you got to be kidding me, you know?
1:15:42
Well, actually I don't like. This one question for you, since
1:15:46
we're Speaking of the spirits of land, Jesse, for us, for myself
1:15:50
and the viewers right now, for you, that you find yourself
1:15:57
reconnecting with your spirit and the spirits of land.
1:16:01
If so, where and why? Yeah.
1:16:04
Can you, can you repeat that? Because you kind of you, you
1:16:07
I'm. Sorry.
1:16:08
Yeah, I'm sorry. Yeah, smoking a cigarette here.
1:16:10
So yeah, I just my question is, Jesse, for myself and the
1:16:16
viewers, is there a place nearby your house or where you live
1:16:23
that you find yourself gravitating to find reconnection
1:16:26
with their spirit and the spirits of the land?
1:16:29
If so, why? Sure.
1:16:32
Or where? You know why?
1:16:33
Yeah. I mean Stones River and like
1:16:37
Stones River is, is practically in my backyard and this and the
1:16:40
West Fork of the Stones River, particularly, you know, you
1:16:44
Patrick, you've been in that river with me a couple of times.
1:16:49
And I and then the, the, the, the trails and stuff nearby,
1:16:55
like the, the, the battlefield, the some of the trails around
1:17:00
the Stones River battlefield in there.
1:17:03
And good evening to Randy Royce and other heathen in the Middle
1:17:07
Tennessee area. Clarksville Base Halen, welcome
1:17:09
to you there, Randy. Thanks for joining.
1:17:12
But yeah, the river has been a big part of my spirituality.
1:17:17
My my practices have have involved connecting with the
1:17:21
spirit of the river and especially the spirit of the
1:17:26
Heron. The Heron has been kind of my my
1:17:30
Filia, the one that follows and goes before me in my ritual
1:17:36
practices. I embody, you know, I, I, I take
1:17:40
on the form of the Heron for my deep, deep spiritual work.
1:17:44
You know, when I need to go, when I need to be somewhere,
1:17:47
when I need to be outside of myself.
1:17:51
In a way, it's the Heron is what carries my Hummer, You know,
1:17:56
that, that, that part of myself that leaves or the the part of
1:18:00
itself, the part of the self that leaves the physical shell.
1:18:06
And so that's, that's where. But in terms of why, why that
1:18:11
is, it's, it's, I think it was always in me.
1:18:14
It was, you know, I grew up near the water.
1:18:16
I grew up near waterways. I, you know, was a lot of my,
1:18:23
my, my native indigenous ancestry is, is rooted in the,
1:18:29
the marshlands of the Potawamac and, and which are Algonquin
1:18:36
Nation, First Nation folks. But the, the being here near the
1:18:42
river as it just, it feels like home.
1:18:48
And a lot of my private spiritual work involves being in
1:18:51
the river it to some degree, whether I'm waiting it, whether
1:18:55
I'm immersed in it. And it didn't matter, you know,
1:18:58
it doesn't matter the time of year, you know, I've been out in
1:19:03
that river when it's 100° outside.
1:19:05
I've been out in that river when it's 30° outside.
1:19:08
It's, it's, it's like my life. So that's why, that's why it
1:19:16
feels so right for me to be connected and, and to find that
1:19:20
connection in the river. It, it, it's not a, it's not a
1:19:25
fair weather thing. It's, it's again, I've, you
1:19:27
know, I've been out in there when it's been pouring down
1:19:29
rain, icy rain, snow almost, you know, thunderstorms, heat waves.
1:19:35
I was in there when I had COVID, you know, like it doesn't
1:19:38
matter. It's just my, it's just, it's
1:19:41
just a big part of my life. Well, thank you for answering
1:19:43
that. And that's, yeah, I love that.
1:19:47
And I I'm hoping you're asking me the same.
1:19:50
Thing. Yeah.
1:19:50
What about what about you, Jessie?
1:19:53
Same question. Oh, man, Rattler State Park,
1:20:01
without a doubt going back in time about a week or so ago.
1:20:08
Again, I separate a a personal set back, if you will.
1:20:13
And you know, Jesse, you know, I go to Reverend Park, the pine
1:20:21
spot. They go in there a lot.
1:20:23
And one day I'm just like looking on Google Maps.
1:20:28
Like this place looks OK and a little too far.
1:20:31
Oh, this place looks all right in the Babler State Park.
1:20:35
I I've seen it before, but then I'm like, you know what?
1:20:40
Sure, it's on the way to the other place I usually go And I
1:20:44
went there and I had some expectation, but nowhere to why
1:20:50
what I walked into. And again, this, this park has
1:20:55
so many trails. Well, I say so many there's so
1:20:59
let me walk walk you through this.
1:21:00
So there's the Woodbine Dogwood Trail and the same parking lot
1:21:05
and they have the Virginia Day Memorial Trail I discovered
1:21:11
while walking the Dogwood Trail. And then there's the Esquin
1:21:16
Trail. I told you a lot about that, so
1:21:21
you more for that later on. That's where it's take too long
1:21:24
to go into that one. But and then there's the pay
1:21:27
trail. It's just going here.
1:21:30
It's just so cool to discover the place that have so many
1:21:34
different places you can go to. You have places where there's a,
1:21:40
a nature educational center where you can walk a couple
1:21:43
trails and can have little trees, have little plaques and
1:21:46
tell you what kind of trees they are.
1:21:48
Like wow, that's really cool because when you see these
1:21:50
plaques like you're walking other trails, like, oh, I know
1:21:53
what that would, that's a Dogwood tree or such and such.
1:21:56
You know, educational, It's fun, it's immersive.
1:22:01
You see so many different birds and I've seen deer 2 times,
1:22:08
which is cool, but I see a lot of like birds of prey.
1:22:11
I've seen Hawks, I've seen one bird that looks like a Falcon.
1:22:16
But again, it's when I first came here, towards the
1:22:21
beginning, when I first discovered this place, I was not
1:22:26
in a good headspace. But I'm like, you know, I need
1:22:28
to be here. And I had joked about this.
1:22:32
My, my, my parents and my friends.
1:22:35
I'm like, I'm falling in love with the fucking park.
1:22:37
Like, what the Hell's going on? It's just after coming here so
1:22:41
many times, it just really felt this uncanny, never expected
1:22:47
sense of connection. It's just I feel like my great
1:22:51
spirit, the gods were just kind of like, hey, This is why you're
1:22:55
here. This is where you need to find a
1:22:57
greater pride for healing when you're doing your nature walks
1:23:00
to find yourself to really immerse not only in my
1:23:04
struggles, but to not to face my struggles per SE, but understand
1:23:10
them. And that's something that could
1:23:13
be overlooked sometimes when we're struggling is like, you
1:23:17
want to face it, you want to conquer, you want to get over
1:23:20
it. Leaving me like when we're sick,
1:23:23
Boy, how did I tell you what, when we get the flu, why is it
1:23:26
always when it's nice outside? I'm like, come on.
1:23:29
Like, it's like that's switching weather though, you know,
1:23:33
Thankfully, you know, I'm all right right now with this
1:23:36
drastic temperature change. But geez, like, it's just, yeah,
1:23:40
yeah. Like with those struggles, you
1:23:41
just want to Fast forward this stuff.
1:23:43
But no, it's sometimes you just kind of like, again, that's
1:23:47
where the muddy, the waters get a little muddy and you're like,
1:23:49
well, you spend so much time trying to understand it.
1:23:53
And then sometimes you're looking too deep into the abyss.
1:23:56
And that's where things go awry. And sometimes you might need
1:24:01
somebody or you know, some, you know, occasions that you need to
1:24:08
have a necessary reminder to be like, OK, you've done your work
1:24:12
in understanding it or trying to at least.
1:24:15
And sometimes you got to get back to the fold.
1:24:18
You have to get back to who and what has made you the man or
1:24:24
woman or whatever title you choose to carry to be who you
1:24:28
are. Yeah.
1:24:31
Oh, man. You know, I think it's I think
1:24:32
it's constant work. You know what I'm saying?
1:24:35
I don't think that was there any saying that the river has to be
1:24:38
cold right now. Oh, trust me, buddy, it is, it
1:24:41
is. We've had we've had we've had
1:24:43
enough sub freezing teens and 20s and single digit nights
1:24:48
where these little 60° days don't do nothing to warm the
1:24:52
river up. But, you know, let me just catch
1:24:56
John's thing real quick. So I know that the waters here
1:24:59
in the South Louisiana are right now, but everything under 75° is
1:25:02
chilly to us. Yeah, you're you're yeah, you
1:25:04
don't, you're not built for the cold.
1:25:08
But but to that point, you know, like you're Patrick, you're
1:25:11
talking about like facing things, you know, and, and
1:25:13
sometimes you've got to, you know, have those reminders,
1:25:17
whether it's a person or people or, or something to be like, I
1:25:21
got to get back to snap out of it in a way, you know, like I
1:25:25
gotta, I can't, I can't stay here.
1:25:28
I can't stay in this darkness. I can't stay in this thing.
1:25:31
Who's to say how long long enough really is?
1:25:35
But facing those hard things. You know that This is why I, I
1:25:40
love ordeal, right? Putting ourselves through
1:25:46
suffering with a purpose. The cold plunges, the sweat
1:25:49
lodges, the things that put us in an uncomfortable state of
1:25:53
existence because it alters our reality, it alters our
1:25:57
consciousness. It puts us in a frame of mind
1:25:59
where you have to dig deep to get through it, right?
1:26:02
You're not going to, if you, if you commit and say I'm going to
1:26:05
stay in this cold ice bath for three minutes, you know, let me
1:26:08
tell you something, 15 seconds feels like an eternity and you
1:26:12
want to be done with it. But you got it.
1:26:14
You got to dig deep, you got to push through and you got to, you
1:26:18
know, yes, there's conditioning and, and what does conditioning
1:26:21
mean? Conditioning means you don't go
1:26:24
full bore 3 minutes right off of the RIP.
1:26:27
It means you train, you condition yourself.
1:26:30
You go 15 seconds one day and then the next day you do 30 and
1:26:34
the next day you do 45 in a minute and this and that and
1:26:36
then you build up, right? So you so my point is, is that
1:26:39
you go in, right, You do the work and then you come back and
1:26:44
then you go in again and you come back and you go in again.
1:26:46
You and the more time you spend in that conditioning, the more
1:26:50
the ordeal that you're faced with, the more conditioned you
1:26:55
are to really get into the meat and potatoes of things.
1:26:58
You know, so sure, right. You know, you may feel like
1:27:02
you've been, you know, dealing with this thing for however
1:27:05
long. Well, maybe you've gotten
1:27:08
everything out of it that you need to right now, and staying
1:27:11
there is just going to stagnate. It's not going to provide any
1:27:14
more growth. So let me come back.
1:27:15
Let me take a lesson that I picked up from this experience,
1:27:18
and I'm going to come back and I'm going to apply it.
1:27:22
And then I'm ready to go back in again.
1:27:23
And I'm going to spend a little bit more time and I'm going to
1:27:25
dig deeper and then analyze some of the more, you know, minuscule
1:27:32
things, the more finite things, right?
1:27:33
And then really do some more digging and then you come back.
1:27:37
You don't stay there, you come back.
1:27:40
It's, you know, we go to the gym to work out and then we come
1:27:42
back and we apply the strengths that we've obtained through
1:27:46
working out in our day-to-day lives.
1:27:48
And, and we, we go and we, we, we engage with our, you know,
1:27:52
our spirit in nature for those times in solitude where we need
1:27:58
to receive a lesson, we need to receive that medicine.
1:28:00
And then we come back and we apply the things in our
1:28:03
day-to-day lives. And then when the thing that
1:28:05
that caused us to feel that way pops up again, we come, we're,
1:28:08
we're able to, to, to manage it. We're able to better deal with
1:28:11
it. Why?
1:28:12
Because we've gone through that ordeal.
1:28:13
We've been conditioned to do so. And it's a constant thing.
1:28:17
It doesn't just end, you know, when it ends, this physical
1:28:22
shell has expired. And then we got another stage.
1:28:26
We have another layer. We have another form of
1:28:28
existence to to to meet and to go through and who knows what.
1:28:32
That's Lawrence. Yeah.
1:28:33
But wait, there's no, you know, let's see it.
1:28:40
Michael Thacker says it might be the whiskey in the rum tonight.
1:28:43
But it seems that just about everything I wanted to ask for
1:28:46
the last 30-40 minutes, you 2 have been you, you 2 have
1:28:50
started bantering on it's it's hit me in a good way.
1:28:54
That's. Awesome, man.
1:28:56
That's what these live streams are for.
1:28:57
You know, I like, I like the real time interaction.
1:29:00
I like the real time responses 'cause I never know, you know, I
1:29:03
can look at an analytics page on how much my podcast is engaging
1:29:07
people or this or that, but that doesn't really tell me much of
1:29:09
anything real. This is real to me, having the
1:29:12
real life interactions, the real time interactions, I should say,
1:29:16
you know. And I want to share something,
1:29:18
too, on that note with all the listeners now.
1:29:21
I mean, Jesse, you're already aware of this.
1:29:24
So listeners, you know, tonight I was feeling a certain kind of
1:29:28
way this evening, you know, lost my struggles and setbacks and
1:29:32
just in my rut. And Jesse just gave me the
1:29:35
invitation. And I took some time to really
1:29:41
not only understand how I'm feeling, but also seizing
1:29:43
opportunity. And like I mentioned earlier in
1:29:45
the stream is sometimes when we push ourselves to step outside
1:29:51
of our comfort zone. It wasn't really comfort zone,
1:29:54
but I was like, you know, complacent.
1:29:56
And coming out of that shell, that mindset has done me a lot
1:30:02
of good. More importantly, is this again,
1:30:07
like we're talking about just now, is this coming back to the
1:30:10
fold, coming back to, you know, where we need to be?
1:30:14
You know, and like again, we'll all come back.
1:30:18
Again, speaking collectively, all of us who are struggling
1:30:21
because we all are in some way or shape or form.
1:30:24
But sometimes, you know, we got to get back to it eventually.
1:30:27
But for now, you know, our batteries are charged less, you
1:30:30
know, persevere. And you know, whether that be a
1:30:35
few hours, a few days, a few weeks, you know, hey, progress
1:30:38
is progress. And it's not a race.
1:30:40
It's at our own pace. This is something that's it's
1:30:43
easy to fall into those snares. You know, not to go on a tangent
1:30:47
or anything, but you know, society has expectations and is
1:30:50
shown on social media. And though we share our personal
1:30:55
experiences and plights, it's very unfair in the grand scheme
1:30:59
of things. And when it gets political
1:31:02
again, Jesse, you, my, my Ken and my family know I'm very
1:31:07
unmotivated and uninterested because there's too many things
1:31:12
in our practices that can be corrupted by that.
1:31:16
But I'm not going to touch on that too much because we're
1:31:18
having our energy and all that. Not to get included by that,
1:31:21
but. Yeah, no, man, look, I just, I
1:31:27
do want to say, man, you know, like not everybody knows what's
1:31:31
going on in the background with with this, you know, and the
1:31:34
fact is that I did, I hit you up on a random, you know, hey, I'm
1:31:38
doing this in two hours. You want to join me?
1:31:41
And, and, you know, you were, you were in a space, you know,
1:31:46
you were, you were doing your thing.
1:31:47
And, and I said, look, man, no pressure, right?
1:31:49
It's your choice. I also gave you some things to
1:31:52
say. I gave, you know, some things to
1:31:53
think about. I said some things out of love,
1:31:56
you know, and I'm like, hey, it's, it's your choice.
1:31:59
And I wouldn't have thought one way or the other about your
1:32:01
brother that if you, if you didn't show up tonight, it, it
1:32:03
wouldn't have changed anything. But I got to say, you know, the
1:32:06
fact that you're here and that you took the time and you and,
1:32:09
and you wanted to, you know, it was your choice.
1:32:13
Uh huh. Yeah, it was your choice.
1:32:14
I didn't make you do this. You chose this and I'm glad you
1:32:18
chose this. I think you've, you've brought a
1:32:21
lot and, and contributed a lot to the stream, to the, to the
1:32:25
broadcast, to the podcast for this week.
1:32:27
This is kind of like, I like to think this is almost like a
1:32:30
monthly touch base, you know, where people get a chance to, to
1:32:33
hear from Patrick to as much as they hear from me because
1:32:37
you're, you're contributing to this whole thing as well.
1:32:41
And I'm really proud of you for for reaching a point that you
1:32:47
decided you wanted to be here. It's great and I appreciate it
1:32:52
so. Thanks.
1:32:52
I appreciate it. Even in equal parts, if not
1:32:55
greater in some regards, just, you know, it's very nice to have
1:32:59
people who are there to challenge me because I feel like
1:33:02
we're in a society a lot of times that people compliment how
1:33:06
you're feeling more so to the level they don't want to get
1:33:09
involved. And again, no judgement given
1:33:13
from that point because again, we all have separate lives to
1:33:17
live. We have things that we talked
1:33:19
about and a lot of things we don't talk about and rightly so.
1:33:22
But again, it's just nice to have those challengers like you
1:33:27
and, you know, some other individuals as well.
1:33:30
It's just really, you know, again, sometimes like we're in
1:33:34
that dark space, sometimes we like we're struggling to keep
1:33:38
our head, but well, our head above water.
1:33:41
And sometimes we start sinking and we need that hand immerse
1:33:46
itself. And when a hand is coming from
1:33:49
above, a situation above you, but often times those people,
1:33:54
those hands are coming down are also submerged as well.
1:33:58
And our, our hardships and you know, even our endeavors,
1:34:03
sometimes we're trying to figure something out, whether it be a
1:34:06
new job, a new hobby, It's, it's tricky.
1:34:10
And. Sometimes, you know, we're so
1:34:11
enraptured in the idea of being doing something right.
1:34:15
It's like, well, it's like I told you with group chats, it's
1:34:19
like, man, I'm not talking about anything.
1:34:22
I'm just like scared to say anything and I'm scared to come
1:34:26
back to this because like I feel like I'm not doing a good job.
1:34:29
Well, if I'm not really doing a good job, quote UN quote, it
1:34:34
would have been addressed, but it wasn't.
1:34:36
It's just. Yeah, well, I like the fact,
1:34:40
like you say, you know, it's a hand coming down to to to lift
1:34:43
you up, you know, and sometimes those hands need to pick up more
1:34:47
than other times, right? Sometimes you need a bigger leg
1:34:51
up. Other times that hand, that
1:34:54
gesture is more of a presence to be like, Hey, man, I'm here, but
1:35:03
also you need to be here. Stand up, get up.
1:35:07
I'll, I'll help you out. But you got to put, you got to
1:35:10
put the work in, man. You got to stand on your own 2
1:35:12
feet here like it's I'm here to support you.
1:35:15
I'm not here to do it for you. Sometimes there's that need to,
1:35:21
I got to carry you, you know what I mean?
1:35:25
Other times it's more of a just a that, that emotional support,
1:35:28
that, that, that, that, you know, psychological support.
1:35:31
The, the, the spiritual support is I've, I, you know, I've had
1:35:35
times too, man, where I've been carried more than I've walked,
1:35:40
you know, for, for, for a stretch, you know, sometimes I
1:35:43
just didn't have it in me and I needed to break down and I
1:35:46
needed to just be vulnerable. I needed to, I needed to bear it
1:35:50
all and just be like I can't right now.
1:35:53
And I had people in my life and still do who understood that and
1:35:57
realized that I was having that moment where I just, I needed to
1:36:01
be, you know, it's, it's, it's, it's the thing about love.
1:36:10
It's the thing about compassion, you know, is, is understanding
1:36:15
when to apply the pressure and when to let off.
1:36:20
It's, it's, it's a delicate balance.
1:36:23
Compassion is, I feel 'cause there is, there's that, there's
1:36:28
that tendency sometimes when you feel like, I know they've got it
1:36:31
in them, they've got, it's in there, right?
1:36:34
And you and you want to see them do it.
1:36:37
And then, and then that, that's not what they need.
1:36:40
You know, that's not what's needed at the time.
1:36:42
It's, it's a softer approach. Yeah, yeah, we are, we are,
1:36:49
we're all experiencing different things at different times.
1:36:51
And, and it's good to have people in our lives that can,
1:36:57
that know each other, that know one another, that know what is
1:37:00
needed, right? Or even ideas, you know, like
1:37:04
earlier, going back to early in the podcast, like the one
1:37:08
person, I forgot the name, but you know, practicing, you know,
1:37:12
alone. Sometimes we need those ideas,
1:37:16
you know, or the one gentleman mentioning the forge.
1:37:19
I mean, I don't know heathenry and paganism or Norse paganism
1:37:25
as well as you, but I felt in my mind you were saying a lot.
1:37:29
What I was thinking is like, if you feel a strong poor or should
1:37:33
do something, do it because you shouldn't ignore that call.
1:37:38
You know, like going on my hikes, going back to that, I
1:37:42
told you about the Six Mile hike again, I'm still trying to
1:37:46
figure out this trail because it's very it's not super
1:37:50
familiar with me, but you know, it's something that you know, if
1:37:54
you feel a call to do something to change, you know, your
1:37:57
practices or your hobbies, your career path, don't ignore that
1:38:02
call. You know, or you hear you're
1:38:06
feeling a certain way. If you get a reminder or several
1:38:11
reminders from a loved one and a best friend, you know it's OK to
1:38:16
feel the way you're feeling Again, it's just but.
1:38:20
Yeah. Yeah, don't get too complacent
1:38:24
because just like the seasons, you know, like I thought spring
1:38:27
would arrive much sooner than it has, but hey, you know, it's
1:38:31
running its course. Yeah, dude as hell.
1:38:33
It's still February. Still like a little bit.
1:38:36
I told my friend like, oh, I guess this is the last snow
1:38:39
this, you know, Nope, I'm done talking now.
1:38:41
We're done here. Catching the time out now,
1:38:45
Missouri. So sorry, Missourians.
1:38:48
You know I said it. Yeah, hell, man, we could still
1:38:52
get, we could still get a Wicked Snow in March, you know?
1:38:55
I'm OK with March, but April especially later in April around
1:39:00
my birthday if I get snow I'm going to cry because I'm already
1:39:04
prepared for spring by that point.
1:39:08
Well, as long as it doesn't snow next month when I'm in North
1:39:11
Carolina. For the Viking experience, that
1:39:13
would be. Cool, I so wish I could join you
1:39:15
there brother. But you know, money is funny.
1:39:18
Many of us. Yeah, which by the way, for
1:39:22
those folks not don't know, Oxford, NC, the weekend of March
1:39:26
22nd, 23rd, I'll be there at the Viking Experience.
1:39:30
You can find out more at the vikingexperience.com.
1:39:33
But it is an annual event. This year they're doing it 2
1:39:35
weekends, so 22nd and 23rd and then the weekend after that.
1:39:40
So they're doing it 2 weekends end of March.
1:39:43
But I will be there the the weekend of the 22nd, 23rd with a
1:39:45
tent or you know, a canopy, whatever you want to call it,
1:39:49
providing rune reading services. And you can find out more on my
1:39:57
social media pages on Facebook and Instagram.
1:40:01
I think I've posted something on my YouTube channel as well.
1:40:04
But when this comes out for the audio platform listeners like
1:40:07
Spotify and stuff. If you're interested and want to
1:40:09
find out more, they'll be information LinkedIn the in the
1:40:14
podcast show notes. But again, I will be there 2
1:40:18
days, it's Saturday and Sunday in Oxford, NC.
1:40:21
You can buy your tickets at the vikingexperience.com and then I
1:40:24
will be there on those grounds to provide room reading
1:40:29
services. So if you're in the area and you
1:40:30
want to come out to the Viking Experience, there's a lot of
1:40:34
great things going on there, a lot of cool vendors, a lot of
1:40:37
of, of you know, just really cool things that I've seen.
1:40:40
It's my first time experiencing it or going to this event.
1:40:43
But from what I've seen in the past, it's going to be an
1:40:45
awesome good time. Even if you just come by my tent
1:40:49
and say hi, grab a picture, tag me on your socials, whatever, it
1:40:52
would be cool to see you. And just you had a question
1:40:55
before I do. So many of the viewers may or
1:40:59
may not have the opportunity to get a room ridden from you.
1:41:03
But as far as room sets go, if you don't mind sharing, if you
1:41:07
have any room sets in mind, you're going to bring to the
1:41:09
biking experience? Well, I mean, I'm not going to
1:41:14
be making any to sell, just be providing my services of reading
1:41:18
runes. And I have one set of runes that
1:41:20
I use for reading that I do publicly.
1:41:25
So I I mean, I have multiple sets of runes that I have the
1:41:30
one set that I use to looks like Patrick dropped for a second.
1:41:35
He'll be back, I'm sure or hopefully.
1:41:38
But Yep, here he comes. Let's bring him back on here.
1:41:40
Here you are. Yeah, I was like, what happened
1:41:43
there? It's.
1:41:43
Yeah, he dropped for a second, but I was saying is I, I'm not
1:41:47
going to make any rune sets to bring or sell.
1:41:50
I'm just offering my services. But the rune set, the rune set
1:41:55
that I use for that is the same set that I use for my patrons on
1:42:01
Patreon for public readings that I do.
1:42:04
It's the Maplewood set from a branch of a tree from our from
1:42:10
our tree in our yard here that we had a trim and, and pruning
1:42:15
up some years ago. So I've I, I have a, a rune set
1:42:18
that I use for that. And it's my set.
1:42:21
Nobody else uses it. I use it.
1:42:26
So that'll be what I use. Yeah.
1:42:29
But yeah, I think we're going to wrap this one up here.
1:42:33
And I appreciate everybody that has tuned in and watched tonight
1:42:37
on the live stream to Michael Thacker, Randy Royce, John and
1:42:44
Kristen, and even to the fine gentleman, what's his name?
1:42:51
Wesley. He had some choices.
1:42:53
Oh, yeah. Wesley.
1:42:54
Yeah, he was, I don't know. That was a bot account or what
1:42:56
That was a that was a rando that came through just like Jesus is
1:43:00
all. He's mad at you.
1:43:02
He's going to tell you about it or what?
1:43:03
I don't know. But even even even for the
1:43:06
engagement, I think nothing else.
1:43:07
Thank you for that. I appreciate that, you old dirty
1:43:11
bastard, you. But anyway, Patrick, do you have
1:43:15
anything else that you want to say to people before we before
1:43:17
we wrap this up? Yes, never underestimate the
1:43:24
healing powers of being out in nature.
1:43:26
You know me personally, again, I have places that I can visit, be
1:43:31
it near or far, but being out there helps a lot so go hide.
1:43:39
Good advice. Yes, get out there, get your
1:43:41
feet in the ground, get your face in the sun, Right.
1:43:46
Just be out there. Be a part of it.
1:43:49
Have a good night to you as well.
1:43:51
And to to Randy and to John and everybody.
1:43:53
Good night and thank you. Tell Jesus to go make us some
1:43:57
tacos. Yeah, I already make some really
1:44:00
good tacos. All right, folks.
1:44:03
Well, that was it for this week's or this month's live
1:44:06
stream. I hope you enjoyed it and thank
1:44:08
you for being here on whatever platform it is that you're
1:44:10
watching as this airs for the all the audio listeners, if you
1:44:15
want to come and join me every month, we usually do these
1:44:18
around the third or third or fourth Monday of every month.
1:44:24
I don't know where Patrick is he, he keeps popping in and out.
1:44:27
But anyways, subscribe to my YouTube channel, follow me on
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1:44:35
Monday of every month, I'll, I'll do one of these live
1:44:37
streams and get a chance to interact with all of you.
1:44:40
But if nothing else, follow me on those socials and become a
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patron on Patreon. That link is right down here on
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the screen. You'll see it
1:44:48
patreon.com/midgard Musings. Hello Patrick, you're back
1:44:52
again. I'm just doing some of the the
1:44:55
signing off stuff. So anyways, for those of you
1:44:57
listening, thank you for your listenership and support in that
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On Patreon. It is just a $1.00 pledge.
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don't know what else you can get for a doll these days.
1:45:15
Used to could be that you could get eggs for that, but that's
1:45:18
them. Days are long gone.
1:45:19
More so. You know, so a $1.00 pledge, you
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got video access, you get to watch all of this stuff that's
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happening. So, so, so thank you to my
1:45:28
patrons on Patreon. I know, Michael, you are.
1:45:32
I know you're one of them. He says I'll try not to be drunk
1:45:34
next time. Well, you know what, man?
1:45:35
Nobody's nobody's telling you that you can't be drunk and
1:45:38
watch mid guard musings or watch the random he and ramblings
1:45:40
podcast. You do you, my man.
1:45:42
You know that's what you want to do.
1:45:43
You want to watch it, you know, twisted then, then, then, then
1:45:47
get on with your bad self. I don't care.
1:45:50
Appreciate you watching either way.
1:45:53
So Patrick just Hangouts for a second and for again, everybody
1:45:55
else, please check out Patrick's group.
1:45:57
It's the Highland Spiritual, Highland Tribe mental spiritual
1:46:01
support group. The link for his group will be
1:46:04
down in the description and also annotated in the podcast show
1:46:07
notes for those of you listening.
1:46:08
But it's on Facebook. It's a safe space.
1:46:11
You can remain anonymous. If you want to post anything,
1:46:13
you can do so anonymously. Your identity will be kept
1:46:17
private and safe. So definitely come out there and
1:46:22
check out what Patrick is doing in that group.
1:46:26
And yeah, take care of yourselves out there.
1:46:28
It's a what rough and wild world that we live in.
1:46:30
So love yourself and take care of yourself.
1:46:36
So until we talk to each other again, everybody, thank you so
1:46:39
much for tuning in and watching. May the gods continue to notice
1:46:42
you and may your ancestors smile upon you.
1:46:45
And we'll see you in the next one.