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S5E2 Overboard and Gone - The Deadly Plot of Scott Roston · True Crime and Wine Time

• 0:10
  Speaker 1: What's up? Hello everybody? How are you?
• 0:15
  Speaker 2: I am attempting to make a cocktail instead of drinking wine.
• 0:20
  Speaker 2: And let's just say, I just got a gobby nectar
• 0:23
  Speaker 2: all over me and now I'm sticky. I need someone
• 0:25
  Speaker 2: to lick it off.
• 0:29
  Speaker 1: Usually people have to pay extra for that, and.
• 0:32
  Speaker 2: I've got to shake it. So maybe I shouldn't beet myself.
• 0:34
  Speaker 2: Or do we want to hear the shake?
• 0:37
  Speaker 1: Oh? No, let's hear the shake. This is asm R
• 0:39
  Speaker 1: all the way.
• 0:43
  Speaker 2: How long do I shake it? Normally? Double h does this?
• 0:45
  Speaker 1: I don't know. I probably shouldn't follow you while you're
• 0:47
  Speaker 1: doing it.
• 0:48
  Speaker 2: No, I'm like going, Do I do it like this?
• 0:54
  Speaker 1: However you want to do it? However you want to
• 0:57
  Speaker 1: do it?
• 0:57
  Speaker 2: Is my favorite week of the year.
• 1:02
  Speaker 1: Well, I can't believe. I can't believe that we're week
• 1:06
  Speaker 1: to week now. But I'm excited about it. I'm happy
• 1:09
  Speaker 1: about it.
• 1:09
  Speaker 2: I am too.
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  Speaker 1: It's going well, that's far.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, I love the fact that you get to
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  Speaker 2: publicly see me every week. Ah right, I didn't do
• 1:20
  Speaker 2: so good?
• 1:21
  Speaker 1: Oh no, what pouring?
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  Speaker 2: That's a small cocktail?
• 1:30
  Speaker 1: Oh is it?
• 1:32
  Speaker 2: And I have my cute heart? It's like half a class.
• 1:36
  Speaker 1: You've got a kiddie pool cocktail. That's what that is.
• 1:38
  Speaker 1: That's a kiddie pool cocktail.
• 1:41
  Speaker 2: That's like four hounds of alcohol. Okay, forgotten ingred for
• 1:49
  Speaker 2: this case. Tonight, text Double H and ask him to
• 1:56
  Speaker 2: bring me some wine or something that That means maybe
• 2:00
  Speaker 2: it's too strong. You know what I forgot. I only
• 2:06
  Speaker 2: did two ounces of pink grapefruit juice instead of four,
• 2:10
  Speaker 2: so that means it's just extra strong.
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  Speaker 1: Oh okay, well that's fine. Extra strong is good.
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  Speaker 2: That and then I've got little hearts, little hearts because
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  Speaker 2: it's found. I don't know. I haven't tasted it yet.
• 2:29
  Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, get in.
• 2:33
  Speaker 2: Oh oh boy, I'm glad anything else to it, but
• 2:40
  Speaker 2: for now, I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: If we're gonna have a fun. We're gonna have a
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  Speaker 1: fun end of show.
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  Speaker 2: No, Double H might get lucky tonight.
• 2:49
  Speaker 1: Oh geez, oh man, he's in in like fleas.
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  Speaker 2: I have to ask. It's my favorite week of the year.
• 2:59
  Speaker 2: Please don't disappoint me. Do you have any wonderful plans
• 3:05
  Speaker 2: with missus brute crime.
• 3:08
  Speaker 1: Well you're gonna be disappointed. Uh no, not entirely. We're
• 3:12
  Speaker 1: kind of getting busy, getting getting busy.
• 3:18
  Speaker 2: A little baby bruecrime girl.
• 3:21
  Speaker 1: Absolutely not. So we're cleaning and organizing and packing and
• 3:27
  Speaker 1: but it's not exactly out of the ordinary because our
• 3:30
  Speaker 1: tenth anniversary came and went and we wouldn't have thought
• 3:32
  Speaker 1: about it if my mom didn't text us. But we're
• 3:35
  Speaker 1: making up for it. We're we're going away without the children,
• 3:40
  Speaker 1: and what a case to go away on. And you'll
• 3:42
  Speaker 1: figure wow, why in a second. But uh, I know,
• 3:46
  Speaker 1: I know you're having a big shindig planned or something big?
• 3:50
  Speaker 1: What is? What is your plan? And doubleh success we navigated.
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  Speaker 2: It's our fifth annual Valentine shindig here since we moved
• 4:00
  Speaker 2: to this area. This year, we've added two extra couples
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  Speaker 2: and we're doing a progressive Valentine's Day, So instead of
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  Speaker 2: it all being at my house, like my girlfriend Catherine
• 4:10
  Speaker 2: texted meine, she goes, does it look like Cupid through
• 4:13
  Speaker 2: up in your house? And I'm like no, because we're
• 4:16
  Speaker 2: only doing cocktail hour. Our neighbors and our friends across
• 4:20
  Speaker 2: the street are doing appetizers, and then our other friends
• 4:24
  Speaker 2: down the street they're doing dinner, dessert and games. And
• 4:28
  Speaker 2: the other couple who lives in Austin is bringing the dessert,
• 4:34
  Speaker 2: but we are providing the cocktails. Can I tell you
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  Speaker 2: what the cocktails are?
• 4:40
  Speaker 1: Yes?
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  Speaker 2: Okay. If anyone is offended by foul language, close your ears.
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  Speaker 2: So that's true cocktail hour at our house. We are
• 4:55
  Speaker 2: having pussy Passion Martini's. I couldn't find the dry ice
• 5:01
  Speaker 2: and I'm not driving thirty minutes to get dry ice.
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  Speaker 2: Then what I'm drinking right now is the Dove Love Paloma,
• 5:10
  Speaker 2: so I want to try it. Whoops, and I just
• 5:12
  Speaker 2: dropped my earpiece, but that's okay. I don't need to
• 5:14
  Speaker 2: hear them. We're has being raspberry pop Rock Margarita's. Whoa wow,
• 5:24
  Speaker 2: I can hear again.
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  Speaker 1: Oh okay, okay, cool. So the rim so.
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  Speaker 2: When you go to drink it, you'll get the pop
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  Speaker 2: rocks and they'll pop in your mouth.
• 5:35
  Speaker 1: The old m job, the old rim job.
• 5:39
  Speaker 2: And of course I made cherry jello shots. Yeah, we're
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  Speaker 2: not going to the rim job. Yep, because remember Amanda
• 5:51
  Speaker 2: or no Amber, Mike's wife from Brew Crime. I am
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  Speaker 2: Sparkle Puss and you are Sparkle Rim or glitter Room.
• 6:01
  Speaker 1: I don't remember the second part, but but I'm gonna
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  Speaker 1: take your word for it.
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  Speaker 2: So but anyway, it's lovely. I just have to say
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  Speaker 2: one thing. Please tell me you at least got missus
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  Speaker 2: brue Crime a card for Valentine's.
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  Speaker 1: Day, my love, Yes, absolutely got her, my love.
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  Speaker 2: No, you've got her a card?
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  Speaker 1: Sure?
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  Speaker 2: Some chocolate?
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  Speaker 1: Some chocolate? No, not do a lot of the chocolate
• 6:36
  Speaker 1: thing stuff? And what about the little why flowers? Because
• 6:39
  Speaker 1: we'll just be getting out of we'll be leaving for
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  Speaker 1: a while.
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  Speaker 2: So what about the littles.
• 6:46
  Speaker 1: The littles they're putting together. They're Valentine's right now. Their
• 6:51
  Speaker 1: entire life is Valentine's Day.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, we're gonna have to work on this. So next year, okay,
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  Speaker 2: I will get with you and I I will send
• 7:00
  Speaker 2: you stuff the week before for you to give the littles.
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  Speaker 2: Because like when my kids were growing up, I made
• 7:07
  Speaker 2: heart shaped pancakes for breakfast, and I made them little baskets,
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  Speaker 2: and I bought necessities like I would buy a red
• 7:14
  Speaker 2: T shirt. I would buy them red underwear, little white
• 7:17
  Speaker 2: socks with red trim on them, because that.
• 7:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, Miss Bruce Crime is good with that, you know.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, So she okay, I should have just thought of that.
• 7:27
  Speaker 1: She's got it.
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  Speaker 2: Taken care of.
• 7:30
  Speaker 1: Probably probably, but listen, I did. I didn't come prepped
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  Speaker 1: to talk about doing those things, but I did before
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  Speaker 1: we get started. Could I just tell you a few
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  Speaker 1: things I learned about Valentine's Day that maybe some people
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  Speaker 1: don't know.
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  Speaker 2: As long as it's happened, Valentine's Day stuff, And it's
• 7:51
  Speaker 2: not going to ruin V Day for me because it's
• 7:54
  Speaker 2: not VB Day much. It's V Day.
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  Speaker 1: No. No, no, no, not that day. Okay, no, all right.
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  Speaker 1: So Valentine's Day also has pagan roots alongside its connection
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  Speaker 1: to Saint Valentine. It may have originated and Lupicalia, a
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  Speaker 1: festival of fertility celebrated on February fifteenth in ancient Rome
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  Speaker 1: now Lupercalia was dedicated to the Roman god of agriculture, Fawnas,
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  Speaker 1: and the founders of Rome, Romulus and Remus. It was
• 8:19
  Speaker 1: celebrated with animal sacrifices and gently slapping women in crop
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  Speaker 1: fields with goat hides dipped in blood, which was thought
• 8:27
  Speaker 1: to help fertility.
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  Speaker 2: What do you think the fact that animals were involved
• 8:33
  Speaker 2: and you just took goat hides and did something with
• 8:36
  Speaker 2: Jasper's hides?
• 8:38
  Speaker 1: Did you not think about it? Not Jasper. This was
• 8:40
  Speaker 1: a while ago. This was I don't think Jasper's life
• 8:43
  Speaker 1: span spans back that that may far. But the second
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  Speaker 1: thing and the last thing I have is the first
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  Speaker 1: mass produced Valentines didn't arrive on scene until the eighteen forties.
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  Speaker 1: Known as the Mother of the American Valentine, esther A.
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  Speaker 1: Howland sold cards with lace and ribbons that commercialized Valentine's
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  Speaker 1: in America. So it's Holland's fault, not Hallmark, but Howland.
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  Speaker 1: So if you want to find somebody, you go ahead
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  Speaker 1: and ancestor ask jeeves that and figure out where they're at.
• 9:19
  Speaker 2: Now, did you know to take that a little bit further?
• 9:23
  Speaker 1: Now?
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  Speaker 2: My grandmother told me this, So I'm going to just
• 9:25
  Speaker 2: say I don't know if it's a fact, but my
• 9:27
  Speaker 2: mama said it. So it's back to me that for
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  Speaker 2: families that didn't have money to go buy that lace
• 9:35
  Speaker 2: and stuff because it was expensive. At the little general store,
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  Speaker 2: you could cut the lace yea off of your underwear
• 9:43
  Speaker 2: and then you could use corn starch. Then you could
• 9:45
  Speaker 2: use cornstarch if you didn't have glue, and put it
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  Speaker 2: on the card or the paper to put it on
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  Speaker 2: there and decorate.
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  Speaker 1: It do you wash it first?
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  Speaker 2: But absolutely no.
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  Speaker 1: I would think, well, listen, now that I have completely
• 10:03
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• 12:14
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• 12:18
  Speaker 1: It's because of It's because of the cocktail. That's all. Listen.
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• 12:26
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• 12:47
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• 12:55
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• 13:09
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• 14:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so what youre drinking? Yeah? I decided, considering our
• 14:35
  Speaker 1: case to go with something from a winery called SeaGlass
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  Speaker 1: Wine Company. And this wine was vented and bottled in Napa.
• 14:44
  Speaker 1: And load is it loady or load ee?
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  Speaker 2: It's loadie California. I loveladye California. It's it's called Central Coast.
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  Speaker 2: It's a pino. It's it is.
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  Speaker 1: It's about as Christmas it gets in terms of a wi,
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  Speaker 1: a white and a pino. It says. The flavors are ripe, pear,
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  Speaker 1: apple and hints of tangerine. But we'll go with that.
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  Speaker 2: I have to stop you real quick. I want you
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  Speaker 2: to just look at the comment. So elbow Feet says
• 15:22
  Speaker 2: a couple more in Terry will be making Valentine's Grandma style.
• 15:27
  Speaker 2: So is he saying I look like a grandma?
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  Speaker 1: I don't know. You're gonna have to ask him a
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  Speaker 1: little later on.
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  Speaker 2: Oh maybe I'll ask him to night later.
• 15:38
  Speaker 1: There you go, So listen, there's there's something about choosing
• 15:42
  Speaker 1: a case that occurs during a honeymoon celebration on a
• 15:44
  Speaker 1: cruise ship, when one is about to embark on a
• 15:47
  Speaker 1: cruise to celebrate ten years. I don't know whether that
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  Speaker 1: makes me anything other than odd. It's fine, I'm sure.
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  Speaker 1: Honeymoons are the time when couples escape the chaos of
• 16:04
  Speaker 1: wedding planning to bask in the glow of marital bliss, beaches, sunsets, champagne,
• 16:11
  Speaker 1: romance distilled into its purest form. If you're me, Disney
• 16:14
  Speaker 1: World and Universal, I mean, I guess the problem is
• 16:19
  Speaker 1: that it just was not so for Karen Waltz and
• 16:22
  Speaker 1: Scott Rosten. Their honeymoon wasn't so much the Notebook as
• 16:27
  Speaker 1: it was Ghost Chip. But there's more to this than
• 16:32
  Speaker 1: just the case that interests me. The sheer inability of
• 16:37
  Speaker 1: Scott Rosten to take ownership of what he did, and
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  Speaker 1: the audacity of him to come up with the excuses
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  Speaker 1: and alibis he did. Just wait for it, good grief.
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  Speaker 1: And you're gonna see what I mean in just a
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  Speaker 1: little bit here, And I want you to tell me
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  Speaker 1: what you're drinking.
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  Speaker 2: Well, first to note, is this your first cruise.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, Oh really, Oh for sure.
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  Speaker 2: Oh my god, that is so exciting. So, like I said,
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  Speaker 2: I decided, oh, it'll be great. So I decided to
• 17:13
  Speaker 2: skip wine Week and instead decided to try out one
• 17:16
  Speaker 2: of the cocktails I'm serving for our Valentine's Day couple thing.
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  Speaker 2: So it's a Dove Love Paloma. It's supposed to be
• 17:26
  Speaker 2: two ounces of jalapeno tequila. I did four fresh lime juice,
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  Speaker 2: and then it's supposed to be four ounces of grapefruit juice.
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  Speaker 2: I only did two of the grapefruit juice and then
• 17:39
  Speaker 2: a govy nectar. So I decided this on your hands.
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  Speaker 2: I know it did, but it's pink. But it's also
• 17:48
  Speaker 2: a tabbit spicy. I Valentine's Day shouldn't be all sweet.
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  Speaker 2: There should be something spicy too, and it can't always be.
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  Speaker 1: Me that Okay, I'll do it this time.
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  Speaker 2: So now I have to tell you I hate everything
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  Speaker 2: about this case. I'm gonna just be honest. Like I said,
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  Speaker 2: I'm one of those crazy people. I love everything about
• 18:14
  Speaker 2: Valentine's Day. It's truly my favorite holiday. I know, Sammy
• 18:18
  Speaker 2: Sunshine's not here tonight, but I'm sorry Valentine's Day surpasses
• 18:24
  Speaker 2: her Christmas, and if she watches this song replay, I'm
• 18:29
  Speaker 2: sure sure I'm gonna hear it. Those are be fighting words.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, even DOUBLEH proposed to me on Valentine's Day
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  Speaker 2: because he knew how much I loved it. And I
• 18:40
  Speaker 2: told all my friends he wouldn't propose on Valentine's Day
• 18:43
  Speaker 2: because it's too cliche, and he did because he didn't
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  Speaker 2: think so. But I want you guys to realize, I
• 18:53
  Speaker 2: don't see Valentine's Day is just a day of love
• 18:56
  Speaker 2: between couples. I believe it's the love you have for
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  Speaker 2: your families, your friends, your community, your fur babies, and
• 19:05
  Speaker 2: of course that person that you want to knock boots with.
• 19:09
  Speaker 2: But I mean, I even get my animal's Valentine's state presence.
• 19:13
  Speaker 2: I even got my monster in law I mean mother
• 19:16
  Speaker 2: in law's cats Valentine's state presence.
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  Speaker 1: Oops.
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  Speaker 2: But I also love cruises, and the fact that this
• 19:29
  Speaker 2: case takes two things I love and turns them totally dark,
• 19:36
  Speaker 2: horrific just really makes me dislikes Scott Roasting even more
• 19:43
  Speaker 2: than I normally dislike douchebags. And I haven't even said
• 19:47
  Speaker 2: that it's also their honeymoon, because your honeymoon is supposed
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: to be a time that you probably are the most
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: in love. It's a time to celebrate your love, your honeymoon.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, you're not. Oh my god, I just got
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: interrupted because I just saw elbow Feet say he's not
• 20:06
  Speaker 2: putting on lingerie for his pets. I just want to say,
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: if you do, if you do, I want photos. That's
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: all I'm gonna say. I want photos. I want photos.
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: Anyway, I heard in the distance challenge accepted. That's what
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: I heard.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, I can't wait. But like I said, your honeymoon
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: is before the kids, before the bills, before the drama,
• 20:34
  Speaker 2: and it's a time to take a break after all
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: the planning and stuff. But apparently Scott Raston forgot to
• 20:41
  Speaker 2: look up the meaning of a honeymoon. He also forgot
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: to look up how not to be a douchebag. So
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: I hate everything about this case.
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so we present to you tonight the murder of
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: Karen Waltz by Scott Rosten or blown Away, the Hot
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: air defense of Scott Rostin.
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  Speaker 2: He's the hot air Let's just be honest. He's the
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: hot air. Well I want to tell you about Karen
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: guys to get started, Karen waltz ooop, excuse me, mo.
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: Besides the fact, I know, we don't like to talk
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: about the way people look, she was stunning, so I mean,
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: she was beautiful. But when she was younger, she dreamed
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: of being a ballet dancer. And my first thing about
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: that is that's a lot of work. I don't know
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: if people realize being a ballet dancer is a lot
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: of work. But she was successful when she was younger
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: in ballet. She could have probably taken it farther, but
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: she grew up with her sister in Florida. They were
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: raised by a single mom. We're talking a single mom
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: who did everything she could to make sure her girls
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: had some of those extras. But because they didn't have
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: a lot of money, but they had a lot lots
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: of love, and that's what matters.
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: I love that so much. But as a kid, I'd
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: be looking at mom saying, you know, I can't eat love, Mom,
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: you just don't understand gosh. And then I'd go back
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: to my room and type in my angel fire diary.
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: Okay, but see, you were special. You had whatever that
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: angel fire diary was, which I've never heard of.
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: I don't know either.
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: We will save that for another day. But as we'll
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: see when we learned about Scott, there's not a lot
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: of information about Karen's early life because let me just
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: tell you, guys, she never grew up wanting to be
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: featured on a podcast. That was never her plan. So
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: why did she need to put everything out there right now?
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: Karen and her sister, you know, their dad left when
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: they were young. But her sister said Karen felt abandoned
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: by her father when he left, which I'm going to say,
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: I know a lot of people who are that way.
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: Some people call it daddy syndrome. But when you don't
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: have that male figure in your life, you crave it,
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: you know, you crave that love. Now, Karen found love.
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: So she dated a young guy named Troy for years
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: and we're talking like four years, and why are you
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: laughing at me?
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: I just want to see if anybody wants to guess
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: what he was like. I mean, like, I'm sure he
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: was a totally fine guy, but anybody with the name
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: of Troy reminds me of this high school classmate I
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: once had who he sounded like this, Hey I'm Troy, that's.
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: And so he didn't. He was a lovely guy that
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: did like woodworking and construction. And I'm gonna tell you
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: I watched a reenactment video of this story. Reenactment Troy
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: was pretty sexy. So I don't know if you look
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: like real Troy, but reenactment Troy was pretty hot.
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: Sure. I mean they always ask for the normal guys,
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: and then they go for you know, Joey, for my
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: think not.
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: Oh, Joey just had a birthday.
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: He did, Happy Birthday, Joey.
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: Happy Birthday Joey. But Karen went to massage school, and
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: her sister said she fell in love with being a massuse.
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: She loved everything about it because she liked the healthy
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: aspect of it, helping people relax in all of that. Now,
• 24:59
  Speaker 2: she got a job at one of those high end resorts,
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: and her sister said she thrived in her position where
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: she had customers who came back and asked for her.
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: Which that's a big deal, because I will tell you
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: I like to get massages. There's only been two places
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: I've gone that I liked my therapist enough that if
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: I go back there, I ask for their name. So
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: that says a lot. Now, look at how cute she was,
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: but she was so bubbly, outgoing. They also said she
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: was very kind and because they grew up in Florida,
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: they spent a lot of time at the beach, which
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: I'm saying Florida is a shit show right now. But
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: growing up in Florida on the beach is not a
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: bad thing. And she was a great swimmer. She loved
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: the ocean. Now, one problem she had, or I see
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: it as a problem. She liked to run ten miles
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: a day and nobody was chasing her with a something
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: was wrong because people don't come at me. I just
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: don't understand why people run. If nobody's chasing you, just
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: jump in a pool and swim laps. It is so
• 26:21
  Speaker 2: much better for your knees. You don't sweat as much.
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: No, no, so just say it.
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: Well, now we're going to talk about douchebag. Oh I'm sorry,
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: Scott Raston. That's my new nickname for him, in case
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: anyone was wondering. So he was. He was born and
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: raised in the Bronx and there's not a lot online
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: about him when he was younger. Now, he did get
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: a degree to be a chiropractor from a school in Georgia,
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: and his dad. Okay, first of all, let's look at
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: that hair. That hair is a red flag. Just gonna
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: say it's a red flag. But this isn't so much
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: when he was younger. But we're gonna find out as
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: we get into this case. He still lived at home
• 27:19
  Speaker 2: with his parents.
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: Uh.
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: Oh, what a murderer named Scott that almost never happens
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: is on fire tonight.
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: Hot takes, Hot takes, Oh.
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: Ladies and Grace that is his seventies porn stash still
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: with his parents.
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah, we'll get there.
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: But like I said, he did go to college to
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: become a chiropractor.
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: He got a degree. How can you get a degree
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: and finish it up with a license? It's like it's
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: it's it's like running a marathon, getting to the corner
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: just before the finish line and then deciding, nah, I'll
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: just live here now we're good.
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: Well, it's kind of like you go to law school
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: and you get your degree, but you still have to
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: pass the bar. So chiropractor is kind of the same thing.
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: You can get your degree, but you have to actually
• 28:23
  Speaker 2: pass a state exam. So each state has their own
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: exam and you have to pass the test.
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: Ah.
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: So, but I am going to say the thing about Scott.
• 28:35
  Speaker 2: I mean, he was a guy that they said had ambition,
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: But I'm gonna just say he did not have any boundaries. Okay,
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: And I'm going to just say he was an unlicensed chiropractor.
• 28:52
  Speaker 2: Nowhere can I find whether or not he ever took
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: the test. Elbow feet is killing me. He couldn't quite
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: crack it, Okay. The only thing that would make me
• 29:04
  Speaker 2: jump it didn't if it said he couldn't quite quack it.
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: But he's a crack chiropractors. Oh okay, listen, I listen.
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: I don't know why I'm even here. Elbow if HET's
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: got all my jokes for tonight, just.
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: I know I'm loving it. But they do. Friends and
• 29:27
  Speaker 2: acquaintances of Scott's described him as charming, an intense, and
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: a man who could talk his way into anything but
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: left chaos in his way like most men.
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: Like a like a like a tornado with a law degree.
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: He'd be the guy who'd kind of charm his way
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: past security and you think, Wow, this guy belongs here
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: and he has an under control, and then bam, the
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: next thing you know, Uh, the copier is on fire.
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: Someone's crying in a corner and the office goldfish is
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: floating upside down in a cup of coffee. Not from
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: real experience.
• 30:04
  Speaker 2: He that you saying that reminds me of And I
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: just totally forgot the serial killer's name. That was an attorney,
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: the good looking one. He killed people in Florida. He
• 30:20
  Speaker 2: escaped out of the Oh my god, I got a
• 30:23
  Speaker 2: sign Bundy, Thank you.
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: Bundy went to Heney passed the bar.
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: But did he are.
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: I don't think. I don't think So passed the bar. No,
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: he never took the bar, but he defended himself.
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: But it's like this guy. He had a degree, but
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: he didn't pass the bar. But we're gonna move on
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: to Scott.
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: So.
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: Scott was also a published author. Sure someone else we
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: know the storm, but he published a book titled Nightmare
• 31:05
  Speaker 2: in Israel and it is a book that has three
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: reviews on the Amazon. Guys, only one copy was sold
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: before his case, And I think his mama bought it. Okay,
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: I'm going to just say his mama bought it. But
• 31:26
  Speaker 2: the book accused in Israeli mental hospital of mistreatment, a
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: claim that would resurface in bizarre fashion during his trial.
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: But whether Scott genuinely believed in his tales, or he
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: was a I mean, he was just a simply skilled
• 31:46
  Speaker 2: fabricator psychopath. But I'm going to just say one thing
• 31:49
  Speaker 2: is for certain. His life was beyond complicated. I mean,
• 31:54
  Speaker 2: it is worse than trying to make lasagna from scratch.
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: Why your mom gives you helpful advice over FaceTime and
• 32:02
  Speaker 2: she doesn't even know how to use FaceTime and turn
• 32:04
  Speaker 2: the camera on.
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: I have no idea what you're talking about. I remember
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: back when I was in Israel, there was a sign
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: up sheet that said relive the Nightmare in Israel. Book
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: sign up here, very big in Israel. Then again, the
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: sign might have said please don't feed the stray cats.
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: Context is everything. I don't know.
• 32:27
  Speaker 2: I didn't realize you had been to Israel.
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: Sure haven't, but it sounded good.
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: Now we are going to talk about how Karen and
• 32:40
  Speaker 2: Scott met. So while Karen was working at the resort
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: as a messuse, Karen had a client who came in.
• 32:50
  Speaker 2: He was going in twice a week because he had
• 32:53
  Speaker 2: fallen and got some kind of workers camp lawsuit. He
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: got some money for it, and he was going to
• 33:00
  Speaker 2: a massuse to get worked out. My first thought is,
• 33:03
  Speaker 2: why are you going to high end resort for that?
• 33:06
  Speaker 2: And why aren't you going to the local massage envy
• 33:09
  Speaker 2: where you could probably get four massages for the same price.
• 33:13
  Speaker 2: But I digress. But that's how she got to know him.
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: Can can you? Can you imagine his pickup lines at
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: like a bar? Like what a mic should drop on
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: that one. I'd love to adjust our relationship status to
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: it's getting serious, or I adjust spines by day, but
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: I'd love to adjust my schedule to make time for you.
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: Or your posture looks great, but I'd still like to
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: get my hands on you for purely professional reasons. Of course,
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: by the way, I don't have these. I've never used
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: pickup lines, and I don't even know if I could
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: do it outside of it being a joke. But here
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: we are. It called for it, maybe it didn't call
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: for it, but I still give it to you.
• 33:59
  Speaker 2: Any Yeah, Well, like I said, Scott had a recent
• 34:04
  Speaker 2: fall and that's why he was getting that massage twice
• 34:07
  Speaker 2: a week. I'm sure he was hoping for some happy
• 34:11
  Speaker 2: stuff at the end, but.
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: I told you he fell for her.
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: Now, guys, what's sad she was still seeing Troy when
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: she fell for Scott. I mean, but she everybody said
• 34:30
  Speaker 2: they had so much in common, they love the outdoors.
• 34:35
  Speaker 2: I mean basically, I think he lied and told her
• 34:38
  Speaker 2: anything she wanted to hear. Uh oh, what is elbowfeet saying?
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: Now?
• 34:42
  Speaker 2: But no, happy indeed.
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: Happy envy and they don't appreciate you asking never supporting
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: my dad's new career again. I hope I delivered that appropriately.
• 34:55
  Speaker 2: It felt like, oh my god, but guys, what is
• 34:59
  Speaker 2: so sad? Karen broke up with Troy after falling for Scott.
• 35:04
  Speaker 2: I mean, I appreciate she didn't want to be a cheater,
• 35:07
  Speaker 2: but she broke up with this guy who loved her
• 35:10
  Speaker 2: after four years for this guy she met on her table.
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: Poor Troy, what a what a chimp? But also like
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: he had to be thinking, like what the hell.
• 35:25
  Speaker 2: Even think about it? She grew up with a single mom,
• 35:29
  Speaker 2: didn't have a lot of money. He said he was
• 35:31
  Speaker 2: a doctor because chiropractors are doctors, and I want to
• 35:37
  Speaker 2: say he loved bomb the hell out of her. Oh
• 35:43
  Speaker 2: my god, yes, lady, and Gray has been a member
• 35:47
  Speaker 2: for six months. Ye I would do a dance for you,
• 35:55
  Speaker 2: but I might spill my drink there. You go uhh
• 36:03
  Speaker 2: uh oh, I'm going to have to I'm going to
• 36:05
  Speaker 2: answer this on speaker. It's Jeffa.
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: Oh hey, Jeffa.
• 36:11
  Speaker 2: You're on speaker in you're live on the podcast.
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: Oh this is not that kind of call.
• 36:18
  Speaker 2: Okay, are you okay?
• 36:21
  Speaker 3: Yeah, something really big going on that I needed advice
• 36:24
  Speaker 3: and possibly to connect to somebody to like, you know, help.
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: Okay, how about how about I talk a little bit
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: about Scott and what he didn't care you can you
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: give me twenty minutes of course?
• 36:37
  Speaker 2: Okay, I love you all.
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: Right, bye everybody. It's a great I love.
• 36:42
  Speaker 2: You by you guys. I should tell everybody. The only
• 36:47
  Speaker 2: reason I answered is when I was talking to my
• 36:49
  Speaker 2: son earlier. He lives in California. He had a two
• 36:52
  Speaker 2: hour drive home to LA because he went to the
• 36:55
  Speaker 2: valley like gag me with the spoon. But anyway, they
• 37:00
  Speaker 2: are getting rain and he had a tree fall across
• 37:05
  Speaker 2: the freeway while he was driving because they're starting to
• 37:08
  Speaker 2: have mud slides. So I didn't want to turn my
• 37:11
  Speaker 2: phone off because if he needs Mama Bear, he needs me,
• 37:15
  Speaker 2: But now he just needs advice.
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: He's fine.
• 37:23
  Speaker 2: We have my oldest bestie on who says wait, what,
• 37:28
  Speaker 2: Jeffa sparks. She actually changed Jeffis diapers.
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah, jeff Is our new regular phone call only.
• 37:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm sorry, but we'll go back to Scott. So
• 37:41
  Speaker 2: he loved bomb the shit out of Karen okay, or
• 37:45
  Speaker 2: that's what we call it today. I don't know what
• 37:47
  Speaker 2: they called it back then. But he sent her flowers,
• 37:51
  Speaker 2: He took her on fancy dinners. He took her to
• 37:55
  Speaker 2: places that she only could dream of going. So she
• 37:59
  Speaker 2: had friends who later said that she fell in love
• 38:04
  Speaker 2: with what he could give her as much as she
• 38:07
  Speaker 2: did with him, because she saw him as intelligent, educated,
• 38:13
  Speaker 2: and they said he was very charming, and he portrayed
• 38:16
  Speaker 2: himself as having money and that was attractive to her.
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: Well, I mean, first of all, looking like he did,
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: you better have some money. But second some people might
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: like give give her like a hard time about this,
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: but the reality is we all kind of want security.
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: Bottom line is we all want security, and that's what
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: he could offer her, or at least pretend to offer her.
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: But to her, that was that was a step in
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: the right direction.
• 38:46
  Speaker 2: I mean, and that's what I said. There was no shame.
• 38:48
  Speaker 2: She didn't think she was going to be going to Paris.
• 38:51
  Speaker 2: She didn't think she was going to live in a castle.
• 38:53
  Speaker 2: She was thinking rent would be paid, could have a
• 38:56
  Speaker 2: car that was reliable, groceries you know would be and
• 39:00
  Speaker 2: the refrigerator, you could have kids. So she wasn't thinking
• 39:03
  Speaker 2: she was going to be on Real Housewives of Beverly Hills. Okay,
• 39:07
  Speaker 2: she just thought, like you said, she would have some stability. Now,
• 39:11
  Speaker 2: Scott did take her home to meet his parents, and
• 39:16
  Speaker 2: let me remind you he lived with his parents.
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: Elbow is on fire. That is, that is a lame
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: attempt at a selic stash, but I would just call it.
• 39:33
  Speaker 2: That was not a Selk stash, not at all, not
• 39:38
  Speaker 2: at all. But his parents thought she was lovely and
• 39:44
  Speaker 2: his mom even was teaching Karen how to make his
• 39:49
  Speaker 2: favorite Jewish foods. And all I can think of, what
• 39:56
  Speaker 2: do you think when a guy takes you home, who's
• 39:59
  Speaker 2: a hire practor doctor, who drives a corvette, that lives
• 40:05
  Speaker 2: with mommy and daddy.
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: Here's what it reminds me of this song I know
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: called Grand Red Flag, and it goes like this, You're
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: a red flagged man. You're a big walking scam, a
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: disaster from tinder to hinge, you've got mommy issues. Won't
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: text back then, miss you and your black hair is
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: giving me cringe. Every date's a debate and you're always late,
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: Yet somehow it's never your fault. Oh you swear you're
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: so nice, but you've ghosted me twice. Buddy, please go
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: to therapy.
• 40:42
  Speaker 2: He is a red flag. I'm going to just be honest.
• 40:44
  Speaker 2: He is a red flag. But guys, Karen learned about
• 40:48
  Speaker 2: his book, The Nightmare in Israel, and guys Scott said
• 40:54
  Speaker 2: it was a true story of his time in Israel.
• 40:57
  Speaker 2: I mean, basically, he said he was opening a chiropractic clinic,
• 41:02
  Speaker 2: didn't have a license. Maybe over there it doesn't matter,
• 41:05
  Speaker 2: but that mob pipes had him jailed because he would
• 41:08
  Speaker 2: not help him, and that he was able to talk
• 41:12
  Speaker 2: his way into being released, and then he went home
• 41:16
  Speaker 2: to the US and wrote this book. Now, guys, his
• 41:20
  Speaker 2: parents were with him and they said it happened and
• 41:24
  Speaker 2: they had to leave with him. And all I can
• 41:27
  Speaker 2: say is red freaking flag.
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: You're a red flagged man. You're a.
• 41:38
  Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, just run girl. But then around June,
• 41:42
  Speaker 2: Scott moved to Santa Monica, and I'm gonna just say
• 41:45
  Speaker 2: Santa Monica is beautiful. Santa Monica Freeway makes a country group. Okay, yeah,
• 41:51
  Speaker 2: I can't sing, not even gonna try. But guy, he
• 41:55
  Speaker 2: was so wealthy he had to move in with some
• 41:58
  Speaker 2: roommates in Santa Manana. Now he was going there to
• 42:02
  Speaker 2: open a new clinic. But I will say it's very
• 42:05
  Speaker 2: expensive in California. But they did live on the ocean,
• 42:09
  Speaker 2: and he had some roommates. Now they were doing the
• 42:13
  Speaker 2: long distance thing. Karen was not a long distance girl.
• 42:17
  Speaker 2: She went to see him often, but she did not
• 42:21
  Speaker 2: love not being there every day. Now, his roommates said
• 42:27
  Speaker 2: she was a wonderful person and that she had an
• 42:31
  Speaker 2: old soul. And all I can say when I hear
• 42:36
  Speaker 2: someone say somebody's an old soul, guys, don't come at me,
• 42:42
  Speaker 2: or if you do, go at JT. Old soul means gullible.
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: I do.
• 42:50
  Speaker 2: Old soul means gullible. You're gonna be on a boat
• 42:57
  Speaker 2: for a week, let him come at you.
• 43:02
  Speaker 1: No, that's the opposite time. Let me be on land
• 43:05
  Speaker 1: and come to me. Do not come to me on
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: a boat. I can't escape.
• 43:09
  Speaker 2: Okay, that's true, true, But when I hear old soul,
• 43:15
  Speaker 2: I know I threw me over. No, I threw him
• 43:19
  Speaker 2: over the edge of the boat. Really, I mean rude,
• 43:25
  Speaker 2: but no, But I honestly I hear old soul and
• 43:29
  Speaker 2: I think of gullible because you're so kind, you're so trusting,
• 43:34
  Speaker 2: you believe everything, and that's just my thing. But let's
• 43:40
  Speaker 2: move on. So in December, Karen flew out to California
• 43:44
  Speaker 2: to see Scott, and I'm going to tell you, California
• 43:47
  Speaker 2: in December is beautiful. But when she returned home to Florida,
• 43:52
  Speaker 2: she was excited because she was showing off that reaing
• 43:56
  Speaker 2: Scott proposed and she said yes, and guys, he proposed
• 44:02
  Speaker 2: with a nice pear shaped diamond. They said about two carrots,
• 44:07
  Speaker 2: which Karen loved, and guys, she growing up the way
• 44:12
  Speaker 2: she did. She was showing that ring to everybody, okay,
• 44:17
  Speaker 2: because she was proud of it. But when her mom
• 44:21
  Speaker 2: saw it, something in mama's guts said, you know, I
• 44:26
  Speaker 2: think you should go and get that ring of praise
• 44:28
  Speaker 2: so you can get insurance on it because you don't
• 44:31
  Speaker 2: want somebody to steal it. Which I respect that, but
• 44:35
  Speaker 2: what Mama was really thinking was, I don't think that's real.
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: It's a smart move, Mom, I mean, but.
• 44:46
  Speaker 2: Guys, I'm gonna tell you her mom was right. Okay,
• 44:52
  Speaker 2: it was a cz and guys, I am not saying
• 44:55
  Speaker 2: there's anything wrong with the CZ or lab created diamond.
• 44:59
  Speaker 2: I mean have friends who are absolutely against diamonds because
• 45:04
  Speaker 2: of their history, blood diamonds and things like that. But dude,
• 45:08
  Speaker 2: be honest, have the conversation and tell her because if
• 45:16
  Speaker 2: she loved him, she didn't care.
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 45:21
  Speaker 2: But guys, she still decided to marry him and avoid
• 45:27
  Speaker 2: that red flag.
• 45:34
  Speaker 1: I mean, oh yeah, oh you swear you're so nice?
• 45:41
  Speaker 1: What your ghost did me twice? Buddy? Please go to therapy.
• 45:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, it's just but so Karen was excited. Okay,
• 45:55
  Speaker 2: uh oh oh jt oh. Our producer would like to
• 46:03
  Speaker 2: put in her resignation. Oh not a drama, Lama.
• 46:09
  Speaker 1: You don't get to quit. I get to.
• 46:13
  Speaker 2: How about both of you. Just take another drink of
• 46:17
  Speaker 2: wine and deal with it. Okay, it's love week. Nobody's quitting,
• 46:24
  Speaker 2: nobody's getting fired, and we only kill people that deserve it.
• 46:31
  Speaker 1: She's pro fish. I don't know what pro fish is,
• 46:35
  Speaker 1: but it might. It's got to be better than antifish.
• 46:41
  Speaker 2: Now, guys, Karen was excited, to be getting married. She
• 46:44
  Speaker 2: was started going shopping with her mom, planning for a wedding,
• 46:49
  Speaker 2: and guess what mister Scott did. Mister Scott talked her
• 46:54
  Speaker 2: into elping and guys, he took her. They got all
• 47:02
  Speaker 2: dressed up. On February fourth, nineteen eighty eight, they drove
• 47:08
  Speaker 2: to Las Vegas to get married. He wanted to do
• 47:11
  Speaker 2: a day trip. So guys, this is like five and
• 47:15
  Speaker 2: a half hours each way, and if you get married,
• 47:18
  Speaker 2: you do all that. I mean, worst case it's thirty
• 47:21
  Speaker 2: minutes if you do the drive through. Who drives eleven
• 47:25
  Speaker 2: hours to get married and not stay in a hotel?
• 47:33
  Speaker 2: I mean, what was the rush?
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: I I want to know, Like, did they have plans
• 47:44
  Speaker 1: that night? Like, oh, yeah, we'll get married. We got
• 47:46
  Speaker 1: to be back in time for Jeopardy and a frozen lasagna.
• 47:50
  Speaker 1: Well it's time.
• 47:52
  Speaker 2: Apparently when they got back to his place, his roommates
• 47:55
  Speaker 2: saw him all dressed up and he was like, oh god,
• 47:58
  Speaker 2: y'all guys look like all ran off and got married.
• 48:00
  Speaker 2: And they were like we did, and he was like,
• 48:03
  Speaker 2: oh did. He's like, why don't I leave for the
• 48:06
  Speaker 2: night and give you guys some space?
• 48:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah? Now you want some.
• 48:15
  Speaker 2: Now Scott had won a cruise from a radio show
• 48:21
  Speaker 2: or something. So they were going to be setting sail
• 48:24
  Speaker 2: in a couple of days, you know, so after they eloped,
• 48:28
  Speaker 2: they were going to set sail on a beautiful cruise.
• 48:32
  Speaker 1: Is is there any proof that he won it? Like,
• 48:34
  Speaker 1: did he actually win it or like he said he
• 48:37
  Speaker 1: did and this was the plan all along. I don't
• 48:41
  Speaker 1: think I actually saw any proof, just all a bunch
• 48:44
  Speaker 1: of things saying he just won it.
• 48:47
  Speaker 2: So the company where the cruise company where he won
• 48:52
  Speaker 2: the crew the cruise from, they did come out and
• 48:56
  Speaker 2: say he had won it because had to be tax
• 49:00
  Speaker 2: He had to pay the tax on it. Oh, just
• 49:04
  Speaker 2: like if you go on the prices right there was
• 49:06
  Speaker 2: a share company. No, but if you win stuff on prices, right,
• 49:11
  Speaker 2: you still have to pay the tax.
• 49:12
  Speaker 1: For it, right, I must, I must one hundred percent?
• 49:17
  Speaker 1: Miss that? Oh well, well that continue on. I'm sorry.
• 49:20
  Speaker 2: The way the world works. Now, they went on the cruise,
• 49:24
  Speaker 2: and they were like most honeymooners. They spent their honeymoon
• 49:29
  Speaker 2: enjoying each other and all of the activities on the ship.
• 49:34
  Speaker 1: I submit that they were not, or at least he wasn't.
• 49:41
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna go. He wasn't well. Most people said they
• 49:48
  Speaker 2: didn't see a lot of them, but they did go
• 49:51
  Speaker 2: to dinner. So for those of you that haven't been
• 49:54
  Speaker 2: on a cruise.
• 50:02
  Speaker 1: That's me. I haven't been on a cruise. I feel
• 50:05
  Speaker 1: attacked and scene and scene. I don't know. My ship's
• 50:16
  Speaker 1: bigger than that, though I can say that much. I'm
• 50:20
  Speaker 1: that is okay, Nope, gone, Oh you went to mute,
• 50:33
  Speaker 1: which is probably because it unplugged. Woo, it's just me now.
• 50:41
  Speaker 1: Oh man, So listen, here's the Oh wow. I feel
• 50:47
  Speaker 1: like I'm back in night court. That's what I feel like.
• 50:49
  Speaker 1: I feel like I'm back in night court. What are you?
• 50:53
  Speaker 1: What you are back? We're gonna put you where you
• 50:56
  Speaker 1: rightfully belong, on the top that I want to be
• 51:01
  Speaker 1: on top.
• 51:02
  Speaker 2: I don't always want to be on top.
• 51:06
  Speaker 1: Okay, let's switch it.
• 51:10
  Speaker 2: But okay, we could switch it up.
• 51:14
  Speaker 1: Now.
• 51:14
  Speaker 2: My mind is going places that should not go. Okay,
• 51:19
  Speaker 2: but so on a cruise ship, you can sit every
• 51:23
  Speaker 2: night at dinner with the same people, you have a
• 51:25
  Speaker 2: certain time, certain table, or you can go to all
• 51:28
  Speaker 2: the other restaurants. So back then they didn't have as
• 51:31
  Speaker 2: many options as they do now. But the people that
• 51:35
  Speaker 2: they ate with. After all of this happened, they said
• 51:39
  Speaker 2: he was very critical about her. He scolded her like
• 51:44
  Speaker 2: a child when she would eat sweets or if she
• 51:49
  Speaker 2: didn't know the right utensils to use. I mean, let's
• 51:52
  Speaker 2: be honest, this is not freaking a five star restaurant,
• 51:58
  Speaker 2: and it's not pretty woman.
• 52:02
  Speaker 1: Jesus, you're a red flag. You get it by now?
• 52:09
  Speaker 1: Never mind? Oh no, the microph. Oh but I blame
• 52:26
  Speaker 1: this ship. I blame the ship, and blame the ship.
• 52:33
  Speaker 1: Listen here, here's here's the funny part. You know, he
• 52:38
  Speaker 1: kind of reminds me. He reminds me of a guy
• 52:43
  Speaker 1: who books a luxury cruise or wins it with infinite buffets,
• 52:52
  Speaker 1: live shows and a literal water slide, and then says,
• 52:57
  Speaker 1: you know what, this is the perfect place to start
• 53:01
  Speaker 1: moby Dick, sir, the ocean. The ocean is right there.
• 53:09
  Speaker 1: You could just look at it instead of reading eight
• 53:11
  Speaker 1: hundred pages about a guy thinking about it. And you
• 53:14
  Speaker 1: sure as hell aren't getting me going to find it
• 53:16
  Speaker 1: looking in the mirror. There is no Moby Dick in
• 53:19
  Speaker 1: the mirror, not with a stash like that. I said
• 53:25
  Speaker 1: what I said, Mike drop.
• 53:27
  Speaker 2: Sorry for that, well, I'm the mic drop girl, so
• 53:31
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna have to get my audio guy. I am
• 53:33
  Speaker 2: sorry for that. But anyway, guys, not a lot is
• 53:36
  Speaker 2: known outside of that. But sadly, on the last side
• 53:41
  Speaker 2: of the cruise, which happens to be the night before
• 53:44
  Speaker 2: Valentine's Day February thirteenth, Scott after dinner runs to report
• 53:50
  Speaker 2: that Karen has fallen overboard and yet he has blood
• 53:56
  Speaker 2: dripping down his face. Red flag.
• 54:04
  Speaker 1: I'm not saying it again. I promise that was it.
• 54:09
  Speaker 1: You have three times and that was it. Yeah, I mean,
• 54:15
  Speaker 1: you know, we did not exactly mean like we picked
• 54:18
  Speaker 1: cases and stuff, but we didn't exactly mean for us
• 54:21
  Speaker 1: to talk about this on the day like thirty plus
• 54:26
  Speaker 1: years later, but like before.
• 54:30
  Speaker 2: It was karma.
• 54:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, right. You know, first off, great, great job
• 54:36
  Speaker 1: talking about the beginning stuff. A lot of good things
• 54:40
  Speaker 1: in there, a lot of things that we learn, but
• 54:43
  Speaker 1: before we hopped directly into the investigation, autopsy and things
• 54:46
  Speaker 1: like that, I think it's good to kind of talk
• 54:48
  Speaker 1: about crimes that happened aboard ships and the procedures that
• 54:52
  Speaker 1: ships have because it is it is a little bit different,
• 54:57
  Speaker 1: and I'm sure either you all know this because you've
• 55:00
  Speaker 1: been on a ship, or you're interested in true crime
• 55:02
  Speaker 1: on ships, or you don't know it at all, and
• 55:04
  Speaker 1: this will be new. So I and I do want
• 55:07
  Speaker 1: to say caveat. I am well aware that if anything
• 55:10
  Speaker 1: happens to missus Bruce Crime on my cruise, I'm in
• 55:15
  Speaker 1: a shit ton of trouble simply because of my Google searches.
• 55:18
  Speaker 1: I searched for this what happens when a crime is
• 55:22
  Speaker 1: committed on a cruise ship, and so I will definitely
• 55:26
  Speaker 1: be the first person who will go down with said ship.
• 55:33
  Speaker 2: Okay, well, let me just be fair. Maybe it's you
• 55:39
  Speaker 2: that goes missing on this ship, and maybe Miss Bruce
• 55:44
  Speaker 2: Crime is the one who says.
• 55:47
  Speaker 1: And kicks you off, you know, a couple of days
• 55:50
  Speaker 1: stuck with me on a ship where she can't escape.
• 55:53
  Speaker 2: Probably, well, I can promise you this if you should
• 55:59
  Speaker 2: go man, or if she should go missing, all of
• 56:03
  Speaker 2: us in the true crime and wine time community, Oh
• 56:08
  Speaker 2: my god, elbow feet. Hopefully she doesn't pull a gone girl?
• 56:16
  Speaker 2: Oh is it JT going to pull a gone girl?
• 56:21
  Speaker 1: If we both do, Can.
• 56:24
  Speaker 2: I get littlest Can I get littlest Baby brew Crime? Then?
• 56:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you sure, sure?
• 56:33
  Speaker 2: I just promise you we will look into everything if
• 56:38
  Speaker 2: someone does anything to you, and I will promise you this.
• 56:42
  Speaker 2: If she throws you overboard, we will make sure she
• 56:46
  Speaker 2: gets off so she can raise the kids.
• 56:50
  Speaker 1: Okay, that works, that works. Yeah, I mean listen, I'm fine.
• 56:54
  Speaker 1: I'm fine with little of the spruce crime being Texan,
• 56:56
  Speaker 1: but not like Texan, you know what I mean. And
• 56:58
  Speaker 1: he has a habit of like going on, so I
• 57:01
  Speaker 1: don't like want the entire Texan thing.
• 57:03
  Speaker 2: No offense, I'll make sure he doesn't do that.
• 57:07
  Speaker 1: Oh okay, cool, perfect, Jeff. Okay, So listen. Crimes on
• 57:13
  Speaker 1: cruise ships reporting, this is kind of how this goes.
• 57:18
  Speaker 1: He gets reported to security. Any crime on a ship
• 57:21
  Speaker 1: is typically first reported to the ship's security team. Makes sense.
• 57:24
  Speaker 1: Then you got flag state jurisdiction, and we're gonna talk
• 57:26
  Speaker 1: about this in a second, so put that to the side.
• 57:29
  Speaker 1: Then you have the captain's discretion. The ship captain decides
• 57:32
  Speaker 1: whether to divert to a port to hand over a
• 57:35
  Speaker 1: criminal case to local authorities, or handle it on board
• 57:39
  Speaker 1: while at sea. Then you have you got things like
• 57:43
  Speaker 1: minor offenses. So like minor offenses may result in being
• 57:46
  Speaker 1: confined to the cabin with security monitoring. While while serious
• 57:50
  Speaker 1: crimes can lead to detention in in a brig on
• 57:54
  Speaker 1: the ship, And honestly, I've never really looked up the
• 57:57
  Speaker 1: photo of a brig on a ship. I don't think
• 57:58
  Speaker 1: I want to. Could be guantanamo on a sea, I
• 58:03
  Speaker 1: don't know so. And then if the crime involves a
• 58:07
  Speaker 1: US citizen or occurs within US maritime jurisdiction, the FBI
• 58:12
  Speaker 1: is probably going to become involved. Now, you might say,
• 58:15
  Speaker 1: but JT international waters, blah blah blah, blah blah blah.
• 58:19
  Speaker 1: That's not how I hear you. It's just what I wrote. Well,
• 58:23
  Speaker 1: I do hear you saying that, But so does the law.
• 58:28
  Speaker 1: And what I mean by that is cruise ships can
• 58:31
  Speaker 1: dock or be out at sea, and where the cruise
• 58:34
  Speaker 1: ship is when the incident occurs is key to understanding
• 58:38
  Speaker 1: which laws apply. So this area of law is called
• 58:41
  Speaker 1: maritime law, and it's vital for anyone on a cruise
• 58:45
  Speaker 1: to have at least a basic understanding of it. Now,
• 58:48
  Speaker 1: in most cases, cruise ships in international waters will follow
• 58:52
  Speaker 1: the laws of the country where the ship is registered.
• 58:56
  Speaker 1: The ship's captain has discretion to detain a person until
• 58:59
  Speaker 1: the ship can dock and other law enforcement agencies can
• 59:02
  Speaker 1: get involved. Now, any crimes that occur within twelve nautical miles,
• 59:07
  Speaker 1: which is thirteen point eighty one miles. I did the
• 59:10
  Speaker 1: math of a country shoreline. It means that that country's
• 59:16
  Speaker 1: laws will apply. So if you're within twelve nautical miles,
• 59:19
  Speaker 1: that country's laws will apply. If they are more than
• 59:22
  Speaker 1: twelve nautical miles away, it's typically going to be where
• 59:25
  Speaker 1: the cruise ship is registered. Now, maritime law is weird,
• 59:31
  Speaker 1: somewhat country specific. The Netherlands has a law where you
• 59:35
  Speaker 1: cannot legally claim a sinking piece of land. If an
• 59:39
  Speaker 1: island in Dutch waters begins to submerge, it's legally it's
• 59:43
  Speaker 1: legally considered a sinking island and can be claimed by
• 59:46
  Speaker 1: the government. So maritime laws all over the place. But
• 59:51
  Speaker 1: now that I have completely tossed us off course again,
• 59:55
  Speaker 1: very good at it. Let's get back to what happened
• 59:57
  Speaker 1: during the investigation. So it was mentioned earlier that many
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 1: people noticed tension between Kathy and Scott during the cruise. Well,
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 1: during the investigation, a passenger who shared a tale with
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 1: them testified that Roston was angry with Kathy because she
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 1: ate sweets and didn't know what eating utensils to use
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 1: like Terrant's. Yes, yes, ma'am.
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 2: Some reason, I think you've had too much to drink.
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 2: You've just called her Kathy twice and her name is Karen.
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 1: What yep?
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 2: Probably you need to drink some water like I'm going
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 2: to because I just almost called you Scott. What happens
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 2: when we drink before the show?
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, good grief. Okay, well, here we go.
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 1: Apparently the utensils was it was a complex setting of
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 1: shipboard silverware, which I never thought was that inside ever
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 1: say in my life. But here we are, Okay.
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 2: It's not guys on a ship. It is just like
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 2: if you go to a five star restaurant. There's just
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 2: a salad fork, an appetizer fork, a dinner fork, a
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 2: soup spoon, a spoon, a butter spoon, a steak or
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 2: a butter knife, a state knife. It's just all of that.
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 2: But guys, just pick up whichever utensil you want to use.
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 2: We're not on pretty woman.
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 1: Wait. Way through that, all I heard was.
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 2: It's a cruise ship. For God's sake, you're not having
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 2: dinner with the queen.
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 1: I don't know I saw Titanic. It's very intimidating. Also,
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 1: I believe in finding a turp two person door frame
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 1: and our door and not a one person door. Also,
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 1: I'm really glad that girls don't wear petticoats anymore. All right,
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 1: so listen, So some girls so on your wedding dock.
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 1: Oh okay, Well eh, there's nothing I can say that
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 1: is safe. Rostin was also seen fighting a woman on
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 1: deck about forty five minutes to one hour before he
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 1: reported that his wife had gone overboard in the early
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 1: morning of February thirteenth, nineteen eighty eight. Scott told inconsistent
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 1: stories about how his wife went overboard. He first tried
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 1: to tell the investigator who that was, we're gonna get
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 1: too shortly, that she was blown overboard, blown overboard. Now listen.
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 1: In this account, Karen decided to take a moonlit power
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 1: walk around the upper deck jogging track. Part Way through
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 1: the walk, he stopped because he went with her to rest.
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 1: So he stopped to rest. She charged ahead. The next
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 1: thing he he heard, Scott hal pow pow pop, and
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 1: he found her dangling from a railing over the water,
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 1: and before he could get to her, she lost her
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 1: grip and fell first off. Karen was five foot three,
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 1: the railing over which she fell was three foot six.
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 1: And it should also be told that the wind was
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 1: reported to be four or five miles per hour that night.
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 1: This because I looked it up, I can tell you
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 1: this is considered a light breeze where you feel it
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 1: on your face and the leaves rustle. So unless Karen
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 1: was code for a rogue leaf, this isn't what happened
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 1: at all. If nobody heard a shohoha barking at the
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 1: leaf rolling by, this is not a thing. Not a thing,
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 1: not a thing.
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 2: I mean, it is beyond laughable because this guy is
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 2: dumb if he thinks a four or five mile an
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 2: hour wind can blow a person overboard. It took sixty
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 2: five seventy five mile an hour winds to pick up
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 2: a trampoline and blow my trampoline in the backyard. It
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 2: weighs less than a human. It's a little bitty trampoline.
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 2: He's stupid.
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well listen. When Rostin reported that Karen had gone overboard,
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 1: his face was severely scratched. There were three gouges and
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 1: a six inch gash on his face, and he said
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 1: he said. He said that he had hit his head
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 1: on a gangway control box. Did he hit it four times?
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 2: Three?
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 1: Four times? I don't think so. They there was no blood,
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 1: there was no hair, there were no other marks found
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 1: on the box. So who, I don't think that works.
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that doesn't work. I'm gonna just be honest. That
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 2: doesn't work.
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 1: Mm hmmm, not at all. So photographs of the box
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 1: were taken and it could be seen that there were
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 1: no sharp protrusions that could have even caused the triangular
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 1: gouges and a four inch scratch with which Roston had
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 1: on his face. And I don't know who created the
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 1: one scratch, like like who? So that would mean that
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 1: would mean that would mean that he would create the
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 1: one scratch by hitting the box and then he'd say,
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 1: you know what, I want a little more and he
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 1: would go back for the other three.
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 2: Wait a minute, maybe the wind was so strong at
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 2: five miles an hour it blew him into the box
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 2: a couple of times that just stawned on me.
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 1: Time ten times, fifteen times? It could have been I
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 1: lost count. You must have hit three times in three
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 1: different areas, all at the same time. You know what
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 1: it was? Of boxes? It was just a gaggle of
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 1: boxes that just came up. Oh man. Uh so. So
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 1: when Rostin had completed the report of Karen going overboard,
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 1: he was questioned at length by the ships. Well, can
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 1: you guess who questioned him?
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 2: Doctor Ship?
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 1: Correct? Well, not doctor Ship, not doctor Love, not doctor Strange,
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 1: but doctor Young. So jogie howser. But he was. He
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 1: was questioned by the ship's doctor. And in fairness to
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 1: doctor Young. In addition to being a medical doctor, he
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 1: was deputized as a law officer in Hawaii, so you
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 1: know he's read some books and filled the sure. Sure.
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 1: The questioning took place in the captain's cabin with the
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 1: door open. During questioning, other people occasionally entered and left,
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 1: and with Rostin's permission, the interrogation was audio taped. Now,
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 1: when the questioning ended, Rawston was put in an unoccupied
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 1: cabin underguard. He was never advised of his Miranda rights.
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 1: Now I look this up and a lot of you
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 1: will be like, no, Miranda rights. What? Well, guess what
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 1: Miranda see. I know you, guys, I know you. Miranda
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 1: rights are not required in international waters. Yeah, they're not
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 1: required in international waters, but they are required in the
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 1: US when a suspect is arrested and taken into custody.
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 1: Karen was thrown overboard twenty two miles off the San
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 1: Diego coast, which is much further than twelve nautical miles
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 1: that I mentioned before. So Miranda rights not necessarily needed
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 1: until taken within custody of the US law law enforcement.
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 1: So I just we're going to get in a little
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 1: bit kind.
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 2: Of yeah, yeah, I just thought of something and it
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 2: just hit my alcohol infuse brain. Oh what if they
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 2: were in the Gulf of Mexico, which has now been
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 2: renamed by some people, would that be considered international waters
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 2: or would that be American waters?
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 1: Well, you see, you've got to consider the nautical miles.
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 2: So it all comes down the nautical miles no matter
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 2: which ocean.
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 1: We like to call them freedom units here, and I
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 1: just don't know, okay.
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 2: So, like if I was in Italy, the same laws
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 2: would apply. Even if I was in Italy on the
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 2: Italy Italian coast. If I'm more than twelve miles out,
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 2: it would still be international waters.
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 1: It would be international waters. And while how they do
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 1: things on the ship might differ, they will defer to
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 1: where the ship's registered so if the ship's registered in
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 1: the US, they'll do things that way. The ship's registered
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 1: in the UK, they'll do it in another way. It's
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 1: it's a whole thing.
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 2: Really, here's I mean. So if w H goes missing
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 2: when we take our Italian cruise, I know what my
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 2: defense needs to be.
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 1: It's it's a massive gray area.
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 3: It's like it's like it's like a gray area within
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 3: a chain link fence. Okay, like there are some boundaries
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 3: that you don't cross, but until then you get to those,
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 3: give out.
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 2: Don't kill anyone on a cruise ship, got it.
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 1: That's it. So. Doctor Douglas Dixon, who is a deputy
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 1: medical Examiner of the San Diego County Coroner's Office, testified
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 1: during the trial. Now what you reported is what I'm
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 1: going to mention here in regards to the findings. Dixon
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 1: performed the autopsy ten days after Scott and Karen were
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 1: married in Las Vegas.
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 2: Okay, I'm gonna stop you again. Ten days after they
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 2: got married, Okay, I want everybody to stop and think
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 2: about that. Ten days after you say I do your
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 2: autopsy is being performed.
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 1: Yep.
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 2: That is absolutely horrific.
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 1: I mean, yes, it is terrible. I here's my question.
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 1: You know, if you're married by a pastor or somebody
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 1: versus Elvis, is the time different. So like, if you're
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 1: married by Elvis and your Britney spears, it's not gonna
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 1: last very long. So maybe this was long. What's the
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 1: what's the what's the officient to marriage length ratio?
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 2: Well, in Vegas or at least when we live there,
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 2: they were all some type of ministry type thing, so
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 2: they were the same as going to a judge in
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 2: getting done. But you know what I just thought of.
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 2: Her autopsy was ten days after aren't you going on
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 2: a cruise to celebrate your ten year anniversary?
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah?
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 2: Do we see the correlations with the math number there's listen.
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 1: First off, producer said, no marriage math. I think that's
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 1: really saying, don't your shovel and start digging, So so listen.
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 1: I I have been very open about us covering this
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 1: case tonight with missus Bruce Crime, and every time she's
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 1: just like, oh my god, oh my god, could you tell.
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 2: Her to call me? Because I mean, I love you dearly,
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 2: but I need to make sure she's safe on this
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 2: cruise and I have girl code over podcast host code.
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 2: So I'm gonna just have to admit I gotta have
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 2: her back there, so I just have her call me
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 2: and I will make sure she doesn't do it on
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 2: a cruise ship because what I'm hearing the laws are
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 2: just too convoluted, and yeah, let's just.
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 1: Not all right. So listen, we're gonna get kind of
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 1: a little bit dark because that's just what I do.
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 1: I just take cold water and toss it on everything.
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 1: So the doctor found that Karen was actually choked to
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 1: the point of unconsciousness and then she was thrown overboard.
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 1: Now Dixon found large red marks on Karen's neck. He
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 1: said that she was alive when she suffered most of
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 1: her cuts and bruises, and she was still breathing when
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 1: she hit the water off the ship Star Dancer. Bruises
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 1: found on her breasts were suffered earlier than this attack,
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 1: so so there were there were there were things from
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 1: before this as well, which to me, I'm I'm I'm
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 1: not a doctor and I don't play one on TV,
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 1: but to me, that means that there was prior abuse
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 1: to some degree.
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah, red flag.
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 1: The Yeah also was found a frothy fluid within her lungs,
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 1: which indicated that she was quote breathing at least for
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 1: some period of time while she was in the water,
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 1: and her neck and eyes showed signs of hemorrhage, which
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 1: argued for manual strangulation. Her neckbones also showed warping, which
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 1: was indicative of strangulation. So he did this with his
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 1: bare hands. Now, in addition, her clothing contained material from
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 1: the jogging track on the deck, which meant that she
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 1: had probably been pressed to the deck with a great
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 1: deal of force. Now, during the investigation on the boat,
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 1: parts of her earrings were found on the deck along
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 1: with strands of hair. Those strands of hair showed signs
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 1: of having been yanked from her head. So this was violent.
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 1: This was violent overall overall though, like what was found
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 1: led Dixon to establish the cause of Karen Rosston' death
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 1: as quote choking associated with drowning. Now, just to kind
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 1: of summarize the investigation autopsy conclusion, which is from US v.
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 1: Roston from the US Court of Appeals, this is what
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 1: was written here. There was evidence of a substantial struggle.
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 1: Parts of the decedent's earrings and remnants of her hair
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 1: were found on the deck, eleven and a half feet
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 1: from the railing where she went overboard. The injury to
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 1: her forehead was consistent with the prosecution's theory that her
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 1: head had been smashed against the deck of the ship.
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 1: The hemorrhaging and bone warping in her neck indicated she
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 1: had been strangled. The cumulative effect of this evidence suggests
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 1: that the decedent's assailant, over the course of a fairly
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 1: prolonged struggle, intended to kill her. Moreover, the killing process
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 1: continued beyond the struggle and strangling. The decedent was not dead,
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 1: but only unconscious when she was pushed or thrown into
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 1: the ocean. At that time, the ship was twenty miles
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 1: out to sea, so right, obviously.
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 2: She didn't fall over Ford.
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 1: It was not a light breeze that did it. No,
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure the light breeze didn't do all of that.
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 1: Good news. Scott was arrested in Long Beach, California by
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 1: federal officers on suspicion of murdering his bride Carrot once are. Oh,
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 1: look at that fella dough you know, having talked about
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 1: it now, it's so funny because like his picture just
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 1: rings something completely different now, oh.
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 2: My gosh, he looks like welcome back.
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 1: Cotter, Welcome back, welcome back.
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 2: I just looked at the picture on the tiny thing
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 2: and I went, oh my god, it's welcome that Cotter.
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 1: I appropriately wore this shirt tonight. I didn't even realize
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 1: why I wore this shirt tonight, but here it is.
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 1: This is why, once arrested, Scott proceeded to give a
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 1: a third version of what happened to Karen, because we're
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 1: not gonna get just one. We're not gonna get just two.
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 1: But wait, there's more. There's a third. Now, I'd like
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 1: to present the curious case of the chiropractor, the assassins,
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 1: and the best seller nobody bought. Now, according to Rostin,
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 1: a man whose grasp on reality was as firm as
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 1: a wet handshake, Israeli assassins had murdered his wife in
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 1: cold blood. Now not just any assassins, mind you, elite
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 1: government trained vengeful Israelis who apparently had nothing better to
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 1: do than take revenge on a fake chiropractor turned author
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 1: from the Bronx. What he told he told the FBI.
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 1: I'm trying to imagine what he sounds like. And this
• 1:18:21
  Speaker 1: is what it is They were out for blood. He
• 1:18:25
  Speaker 1: told the FBI. It has last year I published an
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 1: exposed day about their crimes. Now not it was either
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 1: that or he sounded like he's sounded like mister Burns
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 1: from from Uh from the Simpsons. But listen, this was
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 1: of course devastating news for Israel, since Rostin's self published book,
• 1:18:52
  Speaker 1: in which he paid Vantage Press to publish it, had
• 1:18:57
  Speaker 1: shaken the very foundations of the Israel rarely government by
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 1: as you said, selling exactly one copy, just one, just one,
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 1: just one forture.
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 2: Coy.
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, no, for sure. So he he said that,
• 1:19:25
  Speaker 1: like you know, to fully understand his his his intimate
• 1:19:29
  Speaker 1: knowledge of Israeli corruption, one has to kind of consider
• 1:19:33
  Speaker 1: his qualifications. As we mentioned, he was born in the
• 1:19:36
  Speaker 1: Bronx to a chiropractor, already a beacon of credibility. He
• 1:19:41
  Speaker 1: attended the Life Chiropractic College, which sounds suspiciously like a cult,
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 1: but we assure you it is a real place. Upon
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 1: earning his degree, but not crucially a license, he decided
• 1:19:56
  Speaker 1: to seek his fortune in Israel because if there's one
• 1:19:58
  Speaker 1: thing that this country needed in nineteen seventy nine, it
• 1:20:02
  Speaker 1: was an unlicensed chiropractor living in Georgia lobby. However, things
• 1:20:10
  Speaker 1: went awry when he allegedly fell in with the Israeli mafia, who,
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 1: because this is a completely reasonable and plausible thing to happen,
• 1:20:21
  Speaker 1: disguise themselves as Hasidic Jews and tried to recruit him
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 1: for a robbery. Now one might pause here and wonder
• 1:20:31
  Speaker 1: what exactly does the Israeli mafia want with a chiropractor?
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 1: Was the plan to crack open the safe and a
• 1:20:37
  Speaker 1: few misaligned vertebrate Whatever the case, Roustin ultimately found himself
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 1: in Israeli prison, a place he managed to escape by
• 1:20:47
  Speaker 1: pretending to be an eight year old child, specifically a
• 1:20:51
  Speaker 1: thumbsucking one, apparently with a porn stash too. At this point,
• 1:20:58
  Speaker 1: even the most gullible FBI agent must have been giving
• 1:21:02
  Speaker 1: him the look. Now, you know the one. You all
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 1: know the one, Ah, I see your being insane? Look
• 1:21:12
  Speaker 1: that look? Right?
• 1:21:16
  Speaker 2: Sorry, I'm gonna disagree. I honestly think they were thinking,
• 1:21:22
  Speaker 2: does this guy think we are stupid as he looks?
• 1:21:27
  Speaker 2: I mean that is my first thing. I'm like, does
• 1:21:31
  Speaker 2: this guy think we're as stupid as he looks?
• 1:21:33
  Speaker 1: Right now, now, listen, the biggest tragedy in all of
• 1:21:38
  Speaker 1: this was that Prime Minister man at Trim began himself
• 1:21:43
  Speaker 1: himself allegedly feared Rastin, which was news to him because
• 1:21:48
  Speaker 1: he had never heard of the man. Now, I did
• 1:21:51
  Speaker 1: seem unlikely, given that Rastin's masterpiece of investigative journalism had
• 1:21:55
  Speaker 1: only sold a single copy before the trip. But as
• 1:21:58
  Speaker 1: often the case with murderers and snake oil salesman, tragedy
• 1:22:02
  Speaker 1: does wonders for publicity. Now, by the time the trial
• 1:22:07
  Speaker 1: rolled out, demand for Nightmare in Israel had soared, absolutely
• 1:22:14
  Speaker 1: soared all the way to seventy eight copies a whole
• 1:22:20
  Speaker 1: seventy eight copies that brilliant, brilliant, brilliantly illustrated book, Nightmare
• 1:22:27
  Speaker 1: in Israel. Also that didn't need well now. Oddly enough,
• 1:22:34
  Speaker 1: just a few months before, quote a Palm Beach County
• 1:22:37
  Speaker 1: sheriff spokesman said, Scott Rosten's mother reported last March, which
• 1:22:41
  Speaker 1: was in eighty seven, that he had been abducted by
• 1:22:44
  Speaker 1: Israeli agents from a Florida shopping mall. Because I have
• 1:22:47
  Speaker 1: to say, if they're going to do any abducting, it's
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 1: going to be from a Florida shopping I he just
• 1:22:58
  Speaker 1: couldn't get his chinos that the incident was not investigated
• 1:23:03
  Speaker 1: because Rustin's statements could not be confirmed. Barrel said, so
• 1:23:12
  Speaker 1: you know he he gave he gave us some some
• 1:23:16
  Speaker 1: some descriptions of folks, and these are the sketches.
• 1:23:25
  Speaker 2: Wait a minute, I think I know that guy on
• 1:23:27
  Speaker 2: the bottom.
• 1:23:29
  Speaker 1: That's funny because I think it's one of the Menendez
• 1:23:31
  Speaker 1: brothers on the top. So we're good.
• 1:23:38
  Speaker 2: Oh oh i oh, Lady and Gray just said now
• 1:23:42
  Speaker 2: I want to read that trash. Okay, lady and Gray,
• 1:23:46
  Speaker 2: I'm not gonna shame you if you buy it, but
• 1:23:50
  Speaker 2: if you buy it, you need to agree to mail
• 1:23:54
  Speaker 2: it to everybody within our community. So we don't buy
• 1:23:59
  Speaker 2: it more than what because I would like to read
• 1:24:02
  Speaker 2: that trash too, imo it said, I work.
• 1:24:06
  Speaker 1: With both these guys. Is that book on the reading list?
• 1:24:09
  Speaker 1: We do need to read them list, don't we? We
• 1:24:11
  Speaker 1: should have a running reading list. I do.
• 1:24:15
  Speaker 2: I just finished reading Brian Joseph's book Vegas Concier for
• 1:24:19
  Speaker 2: the second time.
• 1:24:22
  Speaker 1: There you go, there you go, so add that to
• 1:24:25
  Speaker 1: your reading list.
• 1:24:26
  Speaker 2: Can I just say the one thing, I'm happy neither
• 1:24:29
  Speaker 2: one of them look like my ex husbands.
• 1:24:33
  Speaker 1: Ah? Good, good, Listen I need everybody to look under
• 1:24:35
  Speaker 1: your chairs, because we left the book for you. You
• 1:24:39
  Speaker 1: get a book, and you get a book, and you
• 1:24:41
  Speaker 1: get a No. So the listen agents from the Holy
• 1:24:45
  Speaker 1: Land had ambushed the couple, drugged him, and killed her
• 1:24:49
  Speaker 1: during their midnight exercise session. That's what he said. He
• 1:24:54
  Speaker 1: explained Away's earlier story of the wind blowing Karen overboard
• 1:24:57
  Speaker 1: by saying it was a drug induced hallucination. He must have.
• 1:25:00
  Speaker 1: I've seen the wind up and toss over. Cheez wheeze.
• 1:25:06
  Speaker 1: The funny part is the wind looked a lot like
• 1:25:08
  Speaker 1: Rodney Dangerfield, which makes sense with the shirt I'm wearing
• 1:25:12
  Speaker 1: right now. All right, so I'm gonna talk a little
• 1:25:16
  Speaker 1: bit about the trial. It began in late February nineteen
• 1:25:20
  Speaker 1: eighty nine. The defense well again they well, they were committed.
• 1:25:26
  Speaker 1: They stuck to the whole. Karen was murdered by Israeli men,
• 1:25:29
  Speaker 1: with Scott being framed defense. Has anybody ever heard of
• 1:25:33
  Speaker 1: this type of defense? No? I haven't either, not since then,
• 1:25:37
  Speaker 1: So it didn't work well in their rebuttal case. The
• 1:25:41
  Speaker 1: prosecution surprised them by bringing to the stand Maurice Hasiza.
• 1:25:46
  Speaker 1: Now who it's true, good grief have him on the show.
• 1:25:58
  Speaker 2: Elbow Feet said, the win equals sacidic Ninja's elbow feet.
• 1:26:03
  Speaker 2: I don't know what you're drinking. I don't know what
• 1:26:06
  Speaker 2: you're eating. I don't know what gummies you're chewing. But
• 1:26:09
  Speaker 2: whatever you're doing, could you put it in a box
• 1:26:12
  Speaker 2: and send it to me please.
• 1:26:15
  Speaker 1: It's seriously a sober observation, if I know.
• 1:26:18
  Speaker 2: B okay, if it is sober, then he definitely needs
• 1:26:24
  Speaker 2: to be on our show because he is ten times
• 1:26:26
  Speaker 2: spunnier than we ever thought it'd be.
• 1:26:28
  Speaker 1: In It's true and and now and now producer, our
• 1:26:34
  Speaker 1: producer is now thinking, good god, I have to live
• 1:26:36
  Speaker 1: with him, all right, So.
• 1:26:39
  Speaker 2: You know we could we could do something about that.
• 1:26:42
  Speaker 2: I mean, if she wants to change that situation, we
• 1:26:46
  Speaker 2: can be the helpline. Now it's never sober, not never, yeah,
• 1:26:53
  Speaker 2: he says, if Adhd is ever s.
• 1:26:56
  Speaker 1: Mm hmmm. So in their rebuttal case, the prosecution surprised
• 1:27:00
  Speaker 1: them by bringing like I said, Maurice Haziza. Now who
• 1:27:04
  Speaker 1: is that, you might say, Well, he happened to be
• 1:27:07
  Speaker 1: one of the two Israeli passengers on the boat that
• 1:27:09
  Speaker 1: Scott had fingered uh identified. He had identified them that's
• 1:27:15
  Speaker 1: not the right verb. Uh. Maurice testified that he was
• 1:27:20
  Speaker 1: not a secret agent for the Israeli government, to which
• 1:27:23
  Speaker 1: Scott said exactly what a secret agent for the Israeli
• 1:27:27
  Speaker 1: government would say. No, no, no, no, no, he's not.
• 1:27:32
  Speaker 1: Maurice was actually a wedding photographer.
• 1:27:34
  Speaker 2: Huh, he's not wrong. That's what they would say.
• 1:27:38
  Speaker 1: It's true. But in this case, Maurice was actually a
• 1:27:42
  Speaker 1: wedding photographer on vacation, and his traveling companion, Emial Darn,
• 1:27:51
  Speaker 1: had visited Disneyland and Universal Studios before embarking on the
• 1:27:54
  Speaker 1: Mexico Cruise to complete their vacation after photographing a wedding
• 1:27:58
  Speaker 1: for a friend. He is a space cover. Some people
• 1:28:03
  Speaker 1: call me the Space Cowboy. People call me your gigs Lulu.
• 1:28:09
  Speaker 1: All right, So so Maurice was literally just on a vacation.
• 1:28:17
  Speaker 1: He's a wedding photographer. Overall, the jury was he's pretty unimpressed. Now,
• 1:28:24
  Speaker 1: I mean, I can believe that. Can you believe that? Well?
• 1:28:29
  Speaker 1: Hell would they expect from this guy?
• 1:28:33
  Speaker 2: No, because if I was on the jury, I would
• 1:28:36
  Speaker 2: have been like, why do we even need to go
• 1:28:39
  Speaker 2: and deliberate? This guy is an idiot? And the Uh, oh,
• 1:28:45
  Speaker 2: I am sorry, guys, I just saw that Sammy's Sunshine arrived.
• 1:28:50
  Speaker 2: Oh Sammy, do not go back and watch this on
• 1:28:53
  Speaker 2: replay because if you do, you're gonna come at me,
• 1:28:56
  Speaker 2: because I said Valentine's is more important Christmas. Anyway, We're
• 1:29:01
  Speaker 2: just gonna move on there. But I think he's insane.
• 1:29:09
  Speaker 1: Yes, But the right thing is that Scott did not
• 1:29:13
  Speaker 1: testify it in his own defense, so that's good. So
• 1:29:16
  Speaker 1: they only had information they were given to go off of.
• 1:29:19
  Speaker 1: And even if he did testify, I mean, come on.
• 1:29:24
  Speaker 1: In the end, the jury found Scott guilty of second
• 1:29:26
  Speaker 1: degree murder on the High Seas. Now it's sentencing. The
• 1:29:31
  Speaker 1: court saw forensic evidence collected from the ship's upper deck,
• 1:29:34
  Speaker 1: as well as the condition of Karen's body. This showed
• 1:29:38
  Speaker 1: that Karen was severely beaten and strangled before her body
• 1:29:42
  Speaker 1: was thrown overboard. Now, the US District Judge James I'dman
• 1:29:47
  Speaker 1: sentenced him to life in prison without parole, observing quote,
• 1:29:52
  Speaker 1: this is one of the cruelest crimes this court has
• 1:29:55
  Speaker 1: ever seen. It is the court's hope that this defendant
• 1:29:58
  Speaker 1: never is released. Now in November of ninety four, I
• 1:30:05
  Speaker 1: wish in November of ninety four, Scott Rosten appealed his sentence,
• 1:30:09
  Speaker 1: and the court sustained the conviction but remanded for resentencing.
• 1:30:14
  Speaker 1: And they said, quote the appellate opinion noted by the
• 1:30:17
  Speaker 1: imposed by imposed that by imposing a life sentence, the
• 1:30:21
  Speaker 1: trial court had applied the penalty required under the Federal
• 1:30:25
  Speaker 1: sentence and guidelines for first degree murder, even though the
• 1:30:28
  Speaker 1: defendant was only convicted of murder in the second degree.
• 1:30:31
  Speaker 1: In November of ninety four, Scott Rosten was resentenced to
• 1:30:34
  Speaker 1: a term of thirty three years nine months. Rosted appealed
• 1:30:41
  Speaker 1: again in ninety nine. That appeal argued that the four
• 1:30:45
  Speaker 1: hundred and five month sentence imposed during the first appeal
• 1:30:49
  Speaker 1: was unwarranted. The court was inclined to disagree.
• 1:30:55
  Speaker 4: Yeah, disagree, Well, so I often disagree with judges because
• 1:31:05
  Speaker 4: I'm sorry, you kill your bride of ten days.
• 1:31:11
  Speaker 2: You lie about it. Oh now it's just me great,
• 1:31:17
  Speaker 2: I love it. So you lie about it. You should
• 1:31:22
  Speaker 2: not get thirty three years. I'm sorry. They should take
• 1:31:27
  Speaker 2: into account the severity of what he did to her,
• 1:31:30
  Speaker 2: all of his lies. He tried to throw an entire
• 1:31:34
  Speaker 2: country blame them. Now, I'm sorry he gets life without
• 1:31:41
  Speaker 2: parole in my book. But guys, I've got bad news.
• 1:31:48
  Speaker 2: Scott was released from prison July eighth, twenty seventeen. Yes,
• 1:31:56
  Speaker 2: you heard me right, that pos is out. So he
• 1:32:03
  Speaker 2: has stayed out of the public lime light since he
• 1:32:06
  Speaker 2: was released. But I'm sure he is still love bombing someone.
• 1:32:10
  Speaker 2: But I don't know. But y'all know how I like
• 1:32:13
  Speaker 2: to go dig and find information. So he currently lives
• 1:32:18
  Speaker 2: in North Hollywood and he's lived there for the last
• 1:32:23
  Speaker 2: six years. Guys, I have his address, but he is
• 1:32:33
  Speaker 2: seventy three years old, and I'm guessing he's living off
• 1:32:37
  Speaker 2: of his parents' estate because I could not find where
• 1:32:42
  Speaker 2: he's worked or has done anything. But I also found
• 1:32:47
  Speaker 2: his email when I found his address, and I have
• 1:32:50
  Speaker 2: sent him an email. We will see if he responds.
• 1:32:59
  Speaker 2: I send him a picture of me and said I
• 1:33:03
  Speaker 2: would like to chat with him because I think he
• 1:33:07
  Speaker 2: got railroaded.
• 1:33:11
  Speaker 1: Probably did in prison. Listen, I didn't know that. I
• 1:33:14
  Speaker 1: didn't know that, you said, did he let you know
• 1:33:17
  Speaker 1: that he opened it up with all those red flags.
• 1:33:21
  Speaker 1: Maybe he's just waiting to win another cruise before he
• 1:33:24
  Speaker 1: reaches out to you.
• 1:33:25
  Speaker 4: Actually he might, I think maybe, after all my jokes tonight.
• 1:33:30
  Speaker 1: I don't think you can expect to reply. Oops.
• 1:33:33
  Speaker 2: Maybe I can send him an email telling him he
• 1:33:39
  Speaker 2: won a free cruise.
• 1:33:43
  Speaker 1: And it's called Crime and Wine time exactly. This is
• 1:33:51
  Speaker 1: Listen seventy three, twenty twenty six idea and goal. We
• 1:33:59
  Speaker 1: do a true crime one time cruise and he is
• 1:34:02
  Speaker 1: a guest. I just will never send me on the
• 1:34:06
  Speaker 1: top deck.
• 1:34:07
  Speaker 2: I'm like, I can never fake it for a seventy
• 1:34:10
  Speaker 2: three year old who look that bad in his heyday
• 1:34:14
  Speaker 2: charming days. I'm going to just be honest. I can't.
• 1:34:19
  Speaker 2: I can't. But if he does respond to me, I
• 1:34:24
  Speaker 2: will let you know. And if anybody wants his information,
• 1:34:28
  Speaker 2: if you send me a DM on social I will
• 1:34:32
  Speaker 2: tell you where to go and find the information so
• 1:34:35
  Speaker 2: I don't get in trouble. It is public information. I
• 1:34:38
  Speaker 2: did find it on a free public site. Then I
• 1:34:42
  Speaker 2: used one of my paid sites to verify it was
• 1:34:45
  Speaker 2: true and he had received mail there. In November of
• 1:34:50
  Speaker 2: last year, Kelly.
• 1:34:52
  Speaker 1: P said, the cruise is out of Vegas.
• 1:35:00
  Speaker 2: Okay, even better, we have a captain. Captain has been
• 1:35:08
  Speaker 2: the cruise director. Yes, elbow feet's funny, but god, thank
• 1:35:18
  Speaker 2: god he's pretty. Because he wants to know, how could
• 1:35:20
  Speaker 2: there be a cruise out of Vegas?
• 1:35:23
  Speaker 1: He's so pretty, pretty, pretty pretty, huh. Okay, so let's
• 1:35:33
  Speaker 1: we've come off. We've come unglued, as one would say,
• 1:35:39
  Speaker 1: Scott Rowson's case is a great depiction of how to
• 1:35:44
  Speaker 1: not commit a crime. He made every mistake in the book,
• 1:35:48
  Speaker 1: including his book that was a crime itself. You know,
• 1:35:51
  Speaker 1: you know how OJ wrote if I did it. I'm
• 1:35:56
  Speaker 1: thinking his book would be titled how not to do it?
• 1:35:59
  Speaker 1: If I did it? Which I know you know, and
• 1:36:01
  Speaker 1: that I know you know, I know that you know.
• 1:36:05
  Speaker 1: It's okay. You can always go back on the replay
• 1:36:07
  Speaker 1: and make sure that that makes sense. Now, Karen's death
• 1:36:10
  Speaker 1: reminds us of the dangers and this is this is serious.
• 1:36:15
  Speaker 1: It reminds us of the dangers of intimate partner violence. Now,
• 1:36:19
  Speaker 1: behind the dark humor and the absurdity of Scott's lies
• 1:36:25
  Speaker 1: is a young woman who lost her life at the
• 1:36:28
  Speaker 1: hands of someone that she trusted and that she loved.
• 1:36:34
  Speaker 1: And in the end, the killer wind didn't get Karen,
• 1:36:39
  Speaker 1: Scott did. And while the star Dancer sails on in memory,
• 1:36:44
  Speaker 1: this honeymoon is forever going to be remembered as a
• 1:36:47
  Speaker 1: grim warning that love and trust, when placed in the
• 1:36:50
  Speaker 1: wrong hands, can lead to devastating, devastating consequences. So I say,
• 1:36:57
  Speaker 1: with the final bit of this bottle of wine, here's
• 1:37:03
  Speaker 1: the love, trust and the occasional background check.
• 1:37:10
  Speaker 2: Occasional. I'm gonna just tell you straight off the bat
• 1:37:15
  Speaker 2: if you are going out with somebody. Before I would
• 1:37:19
  Speaker 2: let Double H pick me up for first date at
• 1:37:22
  Speaker 2: my house. He gave me his information so I could
• 1:37:25
  Speaker 2: do a background check on him. You are not come
• 1:37:28
  Speaker 2: into my house as a single mama two kids, and
• 1:37:31
  Speaker 2: I gave him my background check. I am sorry the
• 1:37:34
  Speaker 2: world when I say watch out for crime when I
• 1:37:38
  Speaker 2: end things. What I'm saying is, don't be stupid. If
• 1:37:42
  Speaker 2: you meet a guy in a bar and you're out
• 1:37:45
  Speaker 2: with your friends. Even back in the days when I
• 1:37:48
  Speaker 2: went to bars and if I wanted to go home
• 1:37:50
  Speaker 2: with the guy, you get the guy's ID, you give
• 1:37:54
  Speaker 2: it to your friend. He doesn't get an ID back
• 1:37:56
  Speaker 2: until they get me back.
• 1:37:59
  Speaker 1: That's brilliant.
• 1:38:01
  Speaker 2: I mean, now, you have a cell phone, but back
• 1:38:03
  Speaker 2: then we didn't have.
• 1:38:03
  Speaker 1: None of my friends have ever come up with that.
• 1:38:06
  Speaker 1: I love that you don't.
• 1:38:08
  Speaker 2: You've got to realize because all of us who say
• 1:38:12
  Speaker 2: it will never happen to me, we're the ones that's
• 1:38:15
  Speaker 2: gonna happen to because we think that. So just always
• 1:38:22
  Speaker 2: remember that. And I'm going to just tell you Scott
• 1:38:24
  Speaker 2: Rostin he lied. I think he spun a tail. I
• 1:38:31
  Speaker 2: think his parents believe him about what happened in Israel,
• 1:38:36
  Speaker 2: and I just want to look at them and say, oh,
• 1:38:39
  Speaker 2: bless your parental hearts. It's like those parents who say
• 1:38:43
  Speaker 2: my kid would never I learned the hard way. Don't
• 1:38:47
  Speaker 2: ever say that, because the minute you say that, you're
• 1:38:51
  Speaker 2: gonna have to eat crow. Okay, but he was a
• 1:38:58
  Speaker 2: horrible person. There were so many red flags with him,
• 1:39:03
  Speaker 2: and Karen loved him and trusted him. She saw him
• 1:39:10
  Speaker 2: as a chance to have a better life. And I
• 1:39:13
  Speaker 2: think he used that to his ability. And I think
• 1:39:19
  Speaker 2: he controlled her, loved bomb her, and we know he
• 1:39:23
  Speaker 2: physically abused her. And I just want to say he
• 1:39:29
  Speaker 2: was guilty. That evidence was overwhelming, and I think Karen
• 1:39:34
  Speaker 2: deserved so much more than she got. And there is
• 1:39:38
  Speaker 2: nothing wrong with wanting to have a better life. I
• 1:39:43
  Speaker 2: had a friend who used to say, you can marry
• 1:39:46
  Speaker 2: a rich guy just as easy as you can a
• 1:39:48
  Speaker 2: poor guy. And my response is, yeah, you can always
• 1:39:53
  Speaker 2: marry an asshole just as well as you can marry
• 1:39:56
  Speaker 2: a good girl. So Belle asked how long did they
• 1:40:00
  Speaker 2: date before they got married. It was like eighteen months,
• 1:40:04
  Speaker 2: it so, but she quit her job and moved to
• 1:40:09
  Speaker 2: California with him, and there for a while she was
• 1:40:13
  Speaker 2: dating Troy. So but this story serves as another reminder
• 1:40:19
  Speaker 2: of how dangerous an abuser can be when they fill
• 1:40:22
  Speaker 2: their controls slipping away. And I think he knew once
• 1:40:27
  Speaker 2: they got back on land the jig was up. She
• 1:40:32
  Speaker 2: was going to find out. There was no practice, he
• 1:40:35
  Speaker 2: didn't have a license, he had no money. I read
• 1:40:38
  Speaker 2: one article that said the money he won from his
• 1:40:41
  Speaker 2: slip and fall, he was down to like ten grand.
• 1:40:47
  Speaker 2: You can't keep up an appearance.
• 1:40:48
  Speaker 1: A lot of great. Huh, that's a lot of money.
• 1:40:54
  Speaker 2: Not in California.
• 1:40:57
  Speaker 1: Okay, Well but his rent, yeah probably not.
• 1:41:00
  Speaker 2: Was probably back then two thousand dollars twenty five hundred
• 1:41:03
  Speaker 2: dollars a month. He had no job, didn't have a license,
• 1:41:08
  Speaker 2: he didn't have a way to make money. So I
• 1:41:12
  Speaker 2: think that's what happened. I mean, six months, ten grand
• 1:41:18
  Speaker 2: would maybe have gotten him six months, but I'm sure
• 1:41:21
  Speaker 2: she would have been like, Okay, we're married. Now, why
• 1:41:24
  Speaker 2: are we still living with two roommates? Why can't we
• 1:41:26
  Speaker 2: move out on our own. If you're a doctor, why
• 1:41:29
  Speaker 2: can't I go see your practice? Why can't I see
• 1:41:31
  Speaker 2: the building? Why can't I? I mean, so, I just
• 1:41:38
  Speaker 2: want to remind anyone, male or female, if you're in
• 1:41:41
  Speaker 2: an abusive relationship, there is help, there is ways out,
• 1:41:48
  Speaker 2: and do not think that you're alone. Oh, Kelly p
• 1:41:52
  Speaker 2: just asked wear in California, Santa Monica ocean front, so
• 1:41:57
  Speaker 2: I said, even back then, that's a pricey place.
• 1:42:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, elbow feed said ten k and eighty
• 1:42:06
  Speaker 1: seven A lot of money, it is. I just I
• 1:42:08
  Speaker 1: looked up the conversion. It's about twenty six thousand dollars,
• 1:42:11
  Speaker 1: so it's not as much as it was. You still
• 1:42:13
  Speaker 1: could not buy a dozen eggs.
• 1:42:16
  Speaker 2: Not in Santa Monica, making sure.
• 1:42:20
  Speaker 1: I mean they're eight twenty six here. I don't know
• 1:42:23
  Speaker 1: what they are in Santa Monica, but it's got to
• 1:42:24
  Speaker 1: be like sixteen.
• 1:42:26
  Speaker 2: You're paying eight twenty six a dozen. That's what we're
• 1:42:29
  Speaker 2: paying for eighteen eggs ours.
• 1:42:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that's about right. Yeah, don't worry. The prices
• 1:42:37
  Speaker 1: have gone down.
• 1:42:42
  Speaker 2: Well, I'm going to just tell you on the cruise,
• 1:42:45
  Speaker 2: you're probably going to be getting powdered eggs instead of
• 1:42:48
  Speaker 2: real eggs, cause there's no way they can afford those
• 1:42:52
  Speaker 2: real eggs.
• 1:42:52
  Speaker 1: Right now, that's all right. You know what I already
• 1:42:56
  Speaker 1: paid for. So whatever they want to give is five.
• 1:43:01
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna just chase it with alcohol and it'll be fine.
• 1:43:05
  Speaker 2: Say, I hate this guy. I hate that he ringed cruises.
• 1:43:09
  Speaker 2: I hate that he did this at Valentine's Day. I
• 1:43:12
  Speaker 2: hate that he did this after being married to someone
• 1:43:15
  Speaker 2: for ten days. I hate, I hate, I hate. And
• 1:43:21
  Speaker 2: he got out of prison way too soon. And I
• 1:43:23
  Speaker 2: do hope he was somebody's bitch when he was in prison.
• 1:43:28
  Speaker 2: And Scott, if you hear this for somehow this finds
• 1:43:31
  Speaker 2: its way to you, call me love to hear your story.
• 1:43:40
  Speaker 1: Sammy Sunshine says there was a meme today that said
• 1:43:42
  Speaker 1: by her something expensive and the guy hands her a
• 1:43:44
  Speaker 1: cardon of eggs. Oh man, all right, listen, we gotta
• 1:43:51
  Speaker 1: wrap this up. We gotta wrap this up. Everybody's gotta
• 1:43:54
  Speaker 1: go to bed. I have to sober up, so I'll
• 1:43:59
  Speaker 1: let you know something. Listen, I am gonna be away,
• 1:44:02
  Speaker 1: but Terry is gonna nail like she always does the interview.
• 1:44:07
  Speaker 1: You're waiting for me to finish that sentence. I know.
• 1:44:09
  Speaker 1: Let the So we're gonna have the author, Brian Joseph,
• 1:44:15
  Speaker 1: author of Vegas Concierge, on for an interview next Thursday
• 1:44:19
  Speaker 1: at nine pm. And that's Eastern Standard time. So if
• 1:44:23
  Speaker 1: you were in a different time zone, you do the
• 1:44:26
  Speaker 1: time zone math. I won't and and and just you know,
• 1:44:32
  Speaker 1: for you all to know, while we do have, while
• 1:44:36
  Speaker 1: we do have up until August like thought out in
• 1:44:38
  Speaker 1: terms of cases and stuff, because apparently we are now organized.
• 1:44:43
  Speaker 1: I love it so much, so very very much. Well correction, correction,
• 1:44:48
  Speaker 1: hold on, hold on, I'm organized kind of Terry and
• 1:44:54
  Speaker 1: everybody else was always organized, but oh.
• 1:44:56
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• 1:45:02
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• 1:45:35
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• 1:45:40
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• 1:45:43
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• 1:45:49
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• 1:45:54
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• 1:45:58
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• 1:46:02
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• 1:46:07
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• 1:48:20
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• 1:48:26
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• 1:48:30
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• 1:48:35
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• 1:48:47
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• 1:48:53
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• 1:48:57
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• 1:49:00
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• 1:49:05
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• 1:49:10
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• 1:49:14
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• 1:49:18
  Speaker 2: of months we can do an update. We are also
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  Speaker 2: looking into having another event for Chase in July, the
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  Speaker 2: weekend he went missing, so that we can honor that
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  Speaker 2: and get the word out again.
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  Speaker 1: Awesome, so awesome. You know, I'm gonna put you on
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  Speaker 1: the spot right now. It'd be great if we could
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  Speaker 1: live stream that event if you end up doing it.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, abso fresolutely we would do that, because I do
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  Speaker 2: want to his family.
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  Speaker 1: Right right, right right, I do want to remind everybody
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  Speaker 1: to try and grab a case from the location that
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  Speaker 1: we're going to be at, because that's obviously what they're
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  Speaker 1: interested in, right, that's what we're interested in.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, I will be honest, I would love it
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  Speaker 2: if we can find a venue in Houston or Crosby
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  Speaker 2: that wants to host us and US cover Chases case
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  Speaker 2: from the beginning local. I mean, I would just be
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  Speaker 2: on it. I mean I would love that. So if
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  Speaker 2: anybody is watching that lives in that area, you know,
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  Speaker 2: if you know of a place, please would love to
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  Speaker 2: do that because I would invite Old Addison and Matt
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  Speaker 2: to come on down. So well.
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  Speaker 1: Sure.
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  Speaker 2: I love to say thank you for joining us on
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  Speaker 2: Valentine's Eve because tomorrow is the most magical day of
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  Speaker 2: the year. Yes, Sammy Sunshine, I said it. Valentine's Day
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  Speaker 2: is tomorrow, and I hope you all have a wonderful
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  Speaker 2: Valentine's Day. And as always, stay safe, watch out for
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  Speaker 2: crazy people, and enjoy your wine, time your cocktails and
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  Speaker 2: have some chocolate.
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  Speaker 1: And as I always say, thanks for tuning in, take
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  Speaker 1: care of yourselves, your friends, your family, and your community.
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  Speaker 1: Please don't let anybody dull that sparkle. Damn it. That's
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  Speaker 1: not usually part of it, but I'm gonna say it anyways.
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  Speaker 1: Shine on, Shine on you crazy diamonds, shine on. Thanks
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  Speaker 1: for joining us, and we will see while Terry will
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  Speaker 1: see you next week for that interview.
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  Speaker 2: And JT maybe overboard we will find out oooo I.
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  Speaker 1: Might be part of a court TV case. Who knows.
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  Speaker 1: Good Bye everybody,