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Spencer Hall on Maradona’s Hand of God, Zidane’s Headbutt & the World Cup’s Wildest Moments | 06.16 · The Right Time with Bomani Jones

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  Speaker 1: where today we will talk about great WTF moments in
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  Speaker 1: the history of the World Cup with our good friend.
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  Speaker 1: Spencer Hall.
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  Speaker 2: What's going on?
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  Speaker 3: I'm so thrilled to talk about this with you because, one,
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  Speaker 3: we don't have to be great all the time at soccer, right?
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  Speaker 3: We just have to come in once every four years
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  Speaker 3: yes and we get to be we get to just
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  Speaker 3: be butt ignorant in some ways right like you see
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  Speaker 3: a country and it's just go or stop you see
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  Speaker 3: a country and you go hey do you know who
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  Speaker 3: i'm feeling like today cote d'ivoire that's right always loved
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  Speaker 3: cote d'ivoire 100 would die for cote d'ivoire i adore
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  Speaker 3: that kind of endorsed safe mostly safe Watch a piece
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  Speaker 3: of cues parachuting into a fandom. Love it.
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  Speaker 2: So I jump in very simply.
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  Speaker 1: One, I typically root against colonial powers, especially when they're
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  Speaker 1: playing against their former subjects.
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  Speaker 2: Ooh, I like this.
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  Speaker 3: Rules, rules. I like this. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: No, geopolitics really come into play here when I am
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  Speaker 1: watching the World Cup. Then it goes down to the
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  Speaker 1: other level. Like, remember what I told you about? I
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  Speaker 1: was in Barcelona. And I went to go watch France
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  Speaker 1: and Spain. And I was trying to figure out where
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  Speaker 1: to watch. And I decided to go watch a French
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  Speaker 1: watch party because I was afraid of Spanish watch party.
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  Speaker 1: I knew just enough Spanish to hear the racism. And
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  Speaker 1: so I didn't want that. So I went and I
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  Speaker 1: followed these guys that I saw on the train like
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  Speaker 1: I was in Jason Bourne movie. Like I literally hung
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  Speaker 1: behind them and followed them to the destination and went
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  Speaker 1: in there. And it was kind of cracking. So, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: like once that happens, I got to make my decisions.
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  Speaker 1: I had a friend who made a point. I hadn't
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  Speaker 1: really thought about this. But like with Victor Wimbanyama, she
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  Speaker 1: got a bit of a dilemma because she's from Haiti
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  Speaker 1: and he's from France. And I hadn't really thought about
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  Speaker 1: that extended over to the blacks also.
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  Speaker 2: But it's still a thing. He's a Frenchman.
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  Speaker 3: It can get confusing because France has an extremely diverse team.
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  Speaker 3: And while France is pretty diverse, sometimes the fandom French soccer,
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  Speaker 3: depending on which side of the aisle you're on, can
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  Speaker 3: favor one or the other. And that's a problematic thing, right?
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  Speaker 3: Because you go, oh man, if I were, if I
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  Speaker 3: were black and you see the French team, you go.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know.
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  Speaker 3: It's pretty viable, right? And then you consider France and
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  Speaker 3: you go at all, at all steps, by the way,
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  Speaker 3: this is now complicated in 2026 by you being American
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  Speaker 3: and you're going practice this with me, everybody. Okay. If
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  Speaker 3: the United States does something good in your American, okay.
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  Speaker 3: Which is, Right. Like we win. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Sure. Yeah. It's confusing. It's also part of a long
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  Speaker 3: going contradiction, which is when the United States women's team
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  Speaker 3: does anything. It's awesome. All right. And they've been the
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  Speaker 3: better team, period. Like by not by a little. I mean,
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  Speaker 3: they've been one of the world's best teams and they
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  Speaker 3: have been the best American like national team in soccer forever.
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  Speaker 3: But it's very funny because even when they do anything bad,
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  Speaker 3: it's like, oh, I don't know. They tried hard. They've
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  Speaker 3: earned so much credit. They're so far ahead in the
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  Speaker 3: books that you go, you know what? Love you all anyway.
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  Speaker 3: When the United States men's team only beats Trinidad and
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  Speaker 3: Tobago by a goal, you're like, trash. Yeah. Trash.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Can't believe I waste my time with this.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, we don't believe.
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  Speaker 1: We don't believe at all. Now, a country that does
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  Speaker 1: believe is Argentina. three-time World Cup champions, Argentina. And we're
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  Speaker 1: here to start, talk about a moment that honestly, I
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  Speaker 1: wouldn't watch the video again of this this morning. The
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  Speaker 1: most ridiculous, one of the most ridiculous things I've ever seen,
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  Speaker 1: which is the Maradona hand of God goal from the
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  Speaker 1: 1986 World Cup, which I believe was played in Mexico City.
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  Speaker 1: I believe they really need to be glad they weren't
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  Speaker 1: playing against Mexico in that game because Mexico would have
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  Speaker 1: burnt it down. And for those of you who have
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  Speaker 1: not seen this play, Look it up on YouTube. It
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  Speaker 1: does not take long. It's Diego Maradona, who... doesn't look real, right?
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  Speaker 1: It's like watching specifically when Kyler Murray runs down the field,
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  Speaker 1: but imagine Kyler Murray doing that in high school while
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  Speaker 1: also kicking a soccer ball.
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  Speaker 2: That's what Maradona looks like.
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  Speaker 1: And he gets down, and his kick goes up, and
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  Speaker 1: he and the goalkeeper are on the same line trying
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  Speaker 1: to get it. The goalkeeper got his hand up, but
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  Speaker 1: he doesn't get it because Maradona hits it with his hand,
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  Speaker 1: and then Maradona gets a goal. Now, I'm not sure
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  Speaker 1: how familiar you are with soccer, but The goalkeeper is
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  Speaker 1: allowed to touch it with his hand.
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  Speaker 2: Maradona is not.
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  Speaker 1: He makes the goal and after the game refers to
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  Speaker 1: it as the hand of God, which on one hand.
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  Speaker 2: On one hand is an incredible excuse.
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  Speaker 1: On the other hand, you stop and realize that since
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  Speaker 1: it was actually his hand, is he saying that he
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  Speaker 1: was God?
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  Speaker 2: I'm not sure.
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  Speaker 1: It is an all-time moment of cheating that he got
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  Speaker 1: away with because the official basically was like, dude, that
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  Speaker 1: shit was crazy, man.
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  Speaker 2: I was just watching. I didn't even know. It was
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  Speaker 2: just so wild.
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  Speaker 1: Then Maradona has the nerve to follow it up later
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  Speaker 1: with what was voted the goal of the century in
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  Speaker 1: the World Cup. And an unreal I am better than
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  Speaker 1: all of you. But let's get back to we can
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  Speaker 1: start with Maradona. You and I did a podcast many
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  Speaker 1: years ago where we talked about that Maradona documentary. Maradona
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  Speaker 1: at this point, widely considered at worst the second best
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  Speaker 1: player ever.
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  Speaker 2: In the history of soccer, right?
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  Speaker 1: Also, in Argentina, considered to be black, which tells you
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  Speaker 1: a lot about Argentina because someone has to tell you
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  Speaker 1: that he's black. I will also tell you I went
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  Speaker 1: to Argentina a couple of months ago. I have a
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  Speaker 1: Maradona refrigerator magnet, and the first picture I see anybody
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  Speaker 1: from Argentina was a picture of a painting of Maradona
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  Speaker 1: from the restaurant in my hotel that I immediately sent
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  Speaker 1: to Spencer because Maradona is that guy.
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  Speaker 3: He is that dude. And you need to know too
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  Speaker 3: that this Argentina, the team referred to as the Alba
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  Speaker 3: Celestis as their nickname, that this had been a very
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  Speaker 3: fraught run up to this World Cup. You need to
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  Speaker 3: know that this is a pressure cooker and the hand
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  Speaker 3: of God goal is finally the vent. This is when
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  Speaker 3: we let it off. And on multiple levels because the
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  Speaker 3: hand of God goal involves this. It involves a change
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  Speaker 3: in tactics. Remember, prior to this, The idea behind Argentine
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  Speaker 3: football was not too dissimilar than the basic appeal of
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  Speaker 3: Brazilian football, which is this, that when you played soccer,
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  Speaker 3: you were to seduce the viewer. It was to be beautiful, right?
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  Speaker 3: You were going to do elaborate, gorgeous things. You were
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  Speaker 3: going to be very Maradona-ish, right? Very much like a
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  Speaker 3: Brazilian midfielder even. And that was a complaint levied at
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  Speaker 3: this team because they had bombed out in 1982. they
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  Speaker 3: had changed managers.
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  Speaker 2: And they were as the defending champions.
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  Speaker 3: Right. And they were, they bombed out and they changed
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  Speaker 3: management and, um, Bilardo was the manager and he installed
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  Speaker 3: what was considered to be a very mechanistic style of soccer. Okay. Um,
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  Speaker 3: if this sounds familiar, um, it should be familiar to
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  Speaker 3: anybody who has watched a team go from a high
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  Speaker 3: flying offensive machine to a low scoring, efficient defensive machine. Right.
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  Speaker 3: I am this guy. I am this fan, right? I
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  Speaker 3: understand this. When you go, you go, well, but it's winning.
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  Speaker 3: And you're like, yeah, but it's ugly. I hate it. Right?
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  Speaker 3: The aesthetics. Have you considered the aesthetics?
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  Speaker 2: Are you referring to Will Muschamp football?
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  Speaker 3: I could be referring to like 8,000 different coaches. Will
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  Speaker 3: Muschamp is up there, except he didn't win. So like
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  Speaker 3: there were headlines. There's a Buenos Aires Herald article from
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  Speaker 3: a couple of days ago that covers the buildup to
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  Speaker 3: this game. And there's a headline that cracked me up,
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  Speaker 3: which was, Argentina beat Venezuela in a qualifier, right? They
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  Speaker 3: beat Venezuela. And then it goes, dot, dot, dot, but
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  Speaker 3: play a poor game. You go, what? Okay, I see
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  Speaker 3: what's happening here, right? This is an approach that was
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  Speaker 3: working and that Bilardo was constructing on the way to
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  Speaker 3: this World Cup that everyone kind of hated and no
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  Speaker 3: one really liked it. But he did something else really
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  Speaker 3: clever that this article details. And this shows you like
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  Speaker 3: how powerful psychology is, right? And I think this is
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  Speaker 3: something Maradona understood because Maradona used to do that thing
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  Speaker 3: where he would come out and he would warm up
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  Speaker 3: the middle of the field. Right. And he would bounce
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  Speaker 3: the ball off his foot and he would kick it
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  Speaker 3: higher and higher and higher and nobody else in soccer,
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  Speaker 3: in soccer, professional soccer could do it more than four
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  Speaker 3: or five times. And Maradona could keep the ball up
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  Speaker 3: for like, you know, forever. How long do you want
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  Speaker 3: me to do this? This is easy for me. I
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  Speaker 3: breathe and I do this. It's, it's simple for me.
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  Speaker 3: One thing Bilardo did is he had that Argentine team
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  Speaker 3: in their training, go to Northern Argentina to a, higher
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  Speaker 3: elevation to train because Mexico City is at elevation. It
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  Speaker 3: is a factor. But the trick is that by the
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  Speaker 3: time Argentina got back from that training, they would have
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  Speaker 3: lost all their acclimatization. They would have lost their ability
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  Speaker 3: to adapt to altitude. When the team doctor informed Bilardo
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  Speaker 3: of this, he goes, I know, but they don't. Right? Meaning, hey,
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  Speaker 3: I'm going to, you're going to be great. You're ready, boys.
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  Speaker 3: You've already been at altitude. And the guys would hear
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  Speaker 3: that and go, oh, yeah, okay, yeah, you're right. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: we're good. We're good. And it worked. It 100% worked.
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  Speaker 3: The last layer of this in my monologue, and you
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  Speaker 3: talk about geopolitics. geopolitics in the world cup it's a
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  Speaker 3: dangerous thing to play with but it's also kind of
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  Speaker 3: fun um if you do it right in this article
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  Speaker 3: the islands are referred to as the malvinas you know
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  Speaker 3: them as the falkland islands there was this conflict in
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  Speaker 3: the early 80s between great britain and argentina over the
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  Speaker 3: falkland islands And the Fulton Islands were a flashpoint between
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  Speaker 3: the two countries. Ultimately, Great Britain kind of ends up
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  Speaker 3: winning that thing, although winning is a strong word there.
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  Speaker 3: They end up on the high side of that conflict.
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  Speaker 3: But not the way Argentina sees it. Going into this
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  Speaker 3: game against Great Britain, a couple of veterans groups talked
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  Speaker 3: to or they sent letters to the team saying that
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  Speaker 3: they wanted them to play like Exocet Missiles. like the
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  Speaker 3: ones that sank British ships during the Falkland Islands conflict.
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  Speaker 3: Just to give you an idea of the beef between
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  Speaker 3: these two countries.
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  Speaker 1: I had completely forgotten that there was the Falklands element
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  Speaker 1: going on with this, and it was fresh.
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  Speaker 3: Very fresh. Fresh enough that veterans groups could say things like, yeah,
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  Speaker 3: you guys need to hit them like exocet missiles, baby.
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  Speaker 3: You need to sink them, like we did just a
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  Speaker 3: couple of years ago.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 3: This is... A loaded Argentina team in terms of pressure
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  Speaker 3: that going into it also has this geopolitical element that really,
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  Speaker 3: in terms of a payoff, could not be more substantial.
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  Speaker 3: It's a big part of the hand of God goal.
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  Speaker 1: I also want to throw in there that as I
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  Speaker 1: hear what you're talking about, and we made the comparison directly,
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  Speaker 1: but college football is a very helpful thing to inform
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  Speaker 1: this where people don't just want to win typically.
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  Speaker 2: They have ways in which they want to do this.
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  Speaker 1: They have a type of ball that they enjoy watching, right?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: And what you are saying is they went from playing
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  Speaker 1: that South America soccer that makes you really love the
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  Speaker 1: idea of watching soccer. It's like you're watching somebody in
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  Speaker 1: college basketball that used to run the press, right?
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  Speaker 2: It's like, oh, yeah, they're going up and down. And
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  Speaker 2: now they're like, no, you're.
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  Speaker 1: Under the Princeton offense. How about the four corners? Would
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  Speaker 1: you like to run the four corners? They'll never take
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  Speaker 1: the ball from us if we run the four corners.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, you'll hate it, but we'll win. We'll get out
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  Speaker 3: of group play. You might despise it. There are teams,
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  Speaker 3: by the way, that don't necessarily want to do fancy stuff.
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  Speaker 3: Like Italy, historically, has, and this is one of the
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  Speaker 3: reasons that I can't stand watching Italian national soccer for
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  Speaker 3: the most part. Like, last couple of years actually have
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  Speaker 3: been okay.
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  Speaker 2: Well, except they haven't been okay.
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  Speaker 3: Okay to watch. This should say something, right? I'm like, oh,
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  Speaker 3: they're much better to watch. Did they make it?
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  Speaker 1: Nah.
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  Speaker 3: Nah, they're terrible. Yeah. I'm kind of okay with that
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  Speaker 3: two ways, actually. But they like lockdown soccer. Right. Go ahead.
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  Speaker 3: Score a goal early. And then their idea of fun
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  Speaker 3: is watching you beat your head against the door for
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  Speaker 3: 70 minutes. Right. And tough defense. Italy is one of
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  Speaker 3: the few national sides that will sing the glories of
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  Speaker 3: not just their goalie, but their defenseman.
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 3: Like like they'll their defenders. They're like, oh, yeah, our defenders, man.
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  Speaker 3: That's those are our guys. Like it's very odd. Italy,
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  Speaker 3: you would assume you're like, oh, the flash. Right. The
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  Speaker 3: sort of bravura that they have. Nope, nope. They like goons, dude.
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  Speaker 3: They absolutely love goons.
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  Speaker 1: So, I believe what they call that, what you describe
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  Speaker 1: from the Italians as parking the bus.
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  Speaker 2: Is that what they call it?
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  Speaker 3: Yep, yep. We hit you with the bus, then we
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  Speaker 3: park it.
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  Speaker 1: But with the head to God, I'm just trying to
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  Speaker 1: imagine what would happen in this day and age and
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  Speaker 1: everything going around. And for people who don't really do
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  Speaker 1: soccer like this, you understand that you're not allowed to
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  Speaker 1: touch the ball with your hand. But the consequences for
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  Speaker 1: this are incredibly dire, right? Like there is a red card,
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  Speaker 1: which means the guy can't play no more. There is
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  Speaker 1: a penalty kick, which means you basically like do everything
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  Speaker 1: but give you a goal for this. And it would
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  Speaker 1: be against who was then the best player in the world.
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  Speaker 1: And it's not like he went up and like, damn,
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  Speaker 1: the ball accidentally hit your hand. There's no reason in
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  Speaker 1: a soccer match for you to have your hand where
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  Speaker 1: he had it unless the goal was to come out
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  Speaker 1: there and cheat. And what I think is so amazing
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  Speaker 1: is the idea that he thought he could ever get
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  Speaker 1: away with it. Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: And if you watch to a real physical genius considers
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  Speaker 3: the angles of every goal of every spot of every
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  Speaker 3: eye on the field. If you watch it, the way
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  Speaker 3: that he spikes it is so coordinated. it's so obviously
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  Speaker 3: trying to hide the fact that he's, he's like smacking
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  Speaker 3: it in with his hand. Like it's just behind his head.
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  Speaker 3: It's very hard to tell. Remember this is 86. We
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  Speaker 3: do not get VAR. We do not get replay from
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  Speaker 3: a thousand angles. It happens. It sucks for England and
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  Speaker 3: you got to deal with it. Like it is, and
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  Speaker 3: pardon the phrasing, but it's, it's deeply appropriate. It's one
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  Speaker 3: of the most eat shit moments you've ever seen in
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  Speaker 3: your life. Just, just, God, I gotta, that's what's happening.
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  Speaker 1: Shit.
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  Speaker 3: Like, I can't do anything about it. There's no recourse. None.
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  Speaker 3: And do you know when you get it back? Four
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  Speaker 3: years from now.
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  Speaker 2: Maybe.
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  Speaker 3: Yes. Yes.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: And to, I guess, to make it worse, like, we
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  Speaker 1: gotta kind of jump in time to after the game
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  Speaker 1: before we get back into the game. But to really
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  Speaker 1: have the nerve to call it the hand of God
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  Speaker 1: after this has happened.
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  Speaker 2: Can you imagine how, if you would be if you
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  Speaker 2: were one of these British.
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  Speaker 1: People after this has happened. And that's the story that
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  Speaker 1: he's given.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. That's that to say naively, right. With a smirk
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  Speaker 3: on his face. Huh? I'm just blessed. That's all that's,
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  Speaker 3: that would be the modern equivalent. Let me translate it
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  Speaker 3: to American. If you did this and, and, and you're
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  Speaker 3: in the press conference afterwards, they'd go, I don't know, man,
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  Speaker 3: I guess I'm just blessed. Hmm.
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  Speaker 2: I guess God was on our side.
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  Speaker 3: And I guess you're just going to have to deal
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  Speaker 3: with that. Because that's not up to me, Diego Maradona,
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  Speaker 3: vehicle of God himself. That's up to the big man.
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  Speaker 3: Send your letters that way, not to me.
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  Speaker 2: Vehicle of God himself.
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  Speaker 1: And the thing is, it was what, nil-nil at that point?
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  Speaker 3: I would have to look up the score at that point.
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  Speaker 2: Like, I think that is the, yeah, there we go.
• 16:38
  Speaker 2: It finishes 2-1, I believe. Yeah, yeah. That was the
• 16:41
  Speaker 2: first goal. And then the second one.
• 16:45
  Speaker 1: Like I said, I gave the comparison before of what
• 16:47
  Speaker 1: the second would look like.
• 16:48
  Speaker 2: I just can't think of anything else.
• 16:49
  Speaker 1: Like, that's the one of just like, hey, man, so
• 16:51
  Speaker 1: what's this Maradona guy I've heard so much about? You
• 16:54
  Speaker 1: don't have to know anything about soccer to understand what's
• 16:56
  Speaker 1: going on here, that this is a guy that's better
• 16:58
  Speaker 1: than everybody.
• 17:00
  Speaker 2: Like, it's, You would have thought he had the Mario
• 17:03
  Speaker 2: star on, right?
• 17:03
  Speaker 1: Because dudes are like falling down everywhere he goes and
• 17:06
  Speaker 1: he just gets to where he needs to be.
• 17:09
  Speaker 3: That goal is considered that one. The first that happened
• 17:14
  Speaker 3: is an accident of fate, right? And then the second
• 17:18
  Speaker 3: thing that happens is a decision by fate. An accident
• 17:22
  Speaker 3: of fate is I hit the ball with my hand, right?
• 17:27
  Speaker 3: And we're okay. We got to deal with that. The
• 17:30
  Speaker 3: second is, I'm Diego Maradona and you're done. That's, you know,
• 17:37
  Speaker 3: like of all the things that you had to face
• 17:38
  Speaker 3: right now, it'd be cool if you had to face
• 17:41
  Speaker 3: some second team French striker. It'd be cool if you
• 17:44
  Speaker 3: had to face some American player from MLS, right? At
• 17:48
  Speaker 3: this point, at any point in history. Right now, you
• 17:51
  Speaker 3: got to deal with the man. And that's, I think,
• 17:54
  Speaker 3: the thing that makes the hand of God goal doubly
• 17:57
  Speaker 3: frustrating is you could say, well, he's a crap player, right?
• 18:01
  Speaker 3: He's a crap player. He didn't do anything in that
• 18:03
  Speaker 3: game except cheat. Well, except for that second goal, buddy.
• 18:09
  Speaker 3: It's a lot like this. Okay, so we were watching
• 18:12
  Speaker 3: SGA in the finals or in the Western Conference finals, right?
• 18:15
  Speaker 3: And in watching SGA in the Western Conference finals, I
• 18:18
  Speaker 3: know everyone came in and said, hey, that guy's a
• 18:20
  Speaker 3: foul merchant, right? This guy's basically mid-range James Harden. He's
• 18:24
  Speaker 3: constantly working the refs. And then he comes out in
• 18:26
  Speaker 3: game seven and he does the thing where He actually
• 18:30
  Speaker 3: just creates space and takes jumpers. And everybody likes watching
• 18:33
  Speaker 3: people get buckets, right? That is 100% why you should
• 18:36
  Speaker 3: love Maradona, right? Because that dude gets buckets. People love
• 18:40
  Speaker 3: watching somebody do that. And that's all that SGA did
• 18:43
  Speaker 3: in Game 7. That's all he did was just score.
• 18:47
  Speaker 3: And it was awesome. It was incredible. I know they lost, okay?
• 18:51
  Speaker 3: But that kind of performance is what you get out
• 18:53
  Speaker 3: of Maradona. And by the way, you get that multiple
• 18:55
  Speaker 3: times in the 86 World Cup. It is incredible. It
• 18:59
  Speaker 3: is his masterpiece.
• 19:01
  Speaker 2: Also, I did not realize two things.
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: One, he said the goal was, quote, symbolic revenge, unquote,
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: for that war, which is, all.
• 19:10
  Speaker 2: Right, now we're stretching, baby. However, that's giving the people
• 19:12
  Speaker 2: what they want, right?
• 19:14
  Speaker 3: You know, you look out at the crowd and you go,
• 19:17
  Speaker 3: do I want a cheap pop? And I'm going to
• 19:19
  Speaker 3: give you the answer to whether you want a cheap pop. Yeah,
• 19:21
  Speaker 3: you do. You'll take it. Cheap eat all day.
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: Then here's this quote from his autobiography that I will
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: not read to you in Spanish.
• 19:30
  Speaker 2: Yes, I'm just getting this off the wiki, but it's
• 19:32
  Speaker 2: still amazing.
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: He said, now that I can say what I couldn't
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: at that moment, what I defined at that time is
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: the hand of God.
• 19:38
  Speaker 2: What hand of God? It was the hand of Diego.
• 19:45
  Speaker 3: Again, the man shows cheap heat at every turn. Okay.
• 19:48
  Speaker 3: And whether that's your thing or not he was very
• 19:51
  Speaker 3: good at it.
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: Yes yes like look if you get the chance to
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: watch that maradona doc please check it out we did
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: an episode about this many years ago um That country
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: loves him in a way that is impossible to explain
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: through all the trials, through the tribulations, through everything, to
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: him going to play for the mob soccer team in Italy, basically,
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: and everything else, to him coming back and becoming the
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: coach of the team, and nothing about him implies that
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: he should have ever been coaching anything, to him getting fat,
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: to getting back skinny, everything else, and he did this
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: cheating thing.
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: And they all down there are like, hey, man, got
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: to do what you got to do sometimes.
• 20:28
  Speaker 3: Yeah, if you want... If you're a Maradona hater, there's
• 20:31
  Speaker 3: a lot in his biography that will satisfy you. There is.
• 20:35
  Speaker 3: And most of it is self-inflicted. Most of it. He
• 20:40
  Speaker 3: gets popped for drugs. He gets popped for drugs legally
• 20:44
  Speaker 3: and competitively. And there is a farce in the 1990
• 20:49
  Speaker 3: World Cup where Maradona tries to run it back. And
• 20:53
  Speaker 3: it doesn't go as well. Because, I'm going to let
• 20:55
  Speaker 3: you in on a little secret. If you hang out
• 20:57
  Speaker 3: with mobsters and do cocaine all night while playing professional soccer,
• 21:02
  Speaker 3: even if you are the greatest player in the world,
• 21:04
  Speaker 3: it doesn't go well for you. That's a sport where
• 21:08
  Speaker 3: you run seven to eight miles a game and you
• 21:12
  Speaker 3: have to do it all the time. And I know
• 21:15
  Speaker 3: cocaine is great for keeping you awake. It's not so
• 21:18
  Speaker 3: great for keeping you in peak physical condition. It could
• 21:21
  Speaker 3: work for a while though. Diego proved that. It could
• 21:24
  Speaker 3: work for a while. You just got to know when
• 21:26
  Speaker 3: to fall off.
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: Lawrence Taylor, you know, but it never affected my brain.
• 21:33
  Speaker 3: This is the thing. Okay. So they just had the
• 21:35
  Speaker 3: enhanced games, right? The enhanced games where people on PEDs
• 21:38
  Speaker 3: try to set world records and for the most part
• 21:40
  Speaker 3: they failed. And that was because I think in large
• 21:43
  Speaker 3: part they did the wrong steroids. That's not even a joke.
• 21:46
  Speaker 3: There were controls on what they could take and how
• 21:48
  Speaker 3: they could take it and and whether it was going
• 21:51
  Speaker 3: to be approved. If you wanted people to set world records,
• 21:53
  Speaker 3: you should just open up the pharmacy doors, buddy. Like,
• 21:57
  Speaker 3: that's how you do it. The thing is, the thing
• 22:00
  Speaker 3: that most of them are not are top elite athletes.
• 22:03
  Speaker 3: They're not. And Diego Maradona, on cocaine or off cocaine
• 22:07
  Speaker 3: or hungover, is still a better athlete than 99.999% of
• 22:12
  Speaker 3: the people ever born. So people will say, well, the
• 22:14
  Speaker 3: Coke did this to him and the Coke did that. True.
• 22:18
  Speaker 3: But what an experiment and what's possible with elite athletic
• 22:21
  Speaker 3: genes and the commitment to excellence that he had. Yes. Like,
• 22:27
  Speaker 3: it's amazing. He was basically an astronaut. He was basically
• 22:30
  Speaker 3: an astronaut, right? We were like, hey, we need one
• 22:33
  Speaker 3: person on this planet to try to be the best
• 22:35
  Speaker 3: soccer player ever and to see how much cocaine you
• 22:37
  Speaker 3: can do at the same time. And Maradona said, that's me.
• 22:40
  Speaker 3: I got this. I got this. For science. Yeah, bet. Bet.
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: It's the Cam Newton. Ciao.
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.
• 22:47
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I got that. Yeah. You want to see if
• 22:51
  Speaker 3: Mafia Cocaine Living can put this boy down? Let's go.
• 22:54
  Speaker 3: Let's go.
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: I also want to note that that happened in the quarterfinals.
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: Like the pressure to win has to be through the
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: roof after this, right?
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 23:02
  Speaker 3: You know, they end up like to show you how
• 23:04
  Speaker 3: long ago 86 was. First, look at the graphics. Mexico
• 23:07
  Speaker 3: 86 has some of the coolest like look of any
• 23:10
  Speaker 3: of the World Cup. Like if you can get a
• 23:12
  Speaker 3: Mexico 86 shirt or a hat, do it because they
• 23:15
  Speaker 3: look sick. Mexico killed it. Second, they play West Germany
• 23:20
  Speaker 3: in the final. Okay. That's back when we still had a, a,
• 23:24
  Speaker 3: a diversified Germany. Yes. West Germany was trying this and
• 23:29
  Speaker 3: East Germany, they were doing something different. They play West
• 23:33
  Speaker 3: Germany and they Maradona again, goes off in that game.
• 23:37
  Speaker 3: Like he's, he's phenomenal in that game as well. This
• 23:39
  Speaker 3: was like, this was Mr. Big time. I, he's the
• 23:42
  Speaker 3: guy who, if I had to explain to people, who
• 23:44
  Speaker 3: he is in soccer, you would say, well, think of
• 23:48
  Speaker 3: your guys who by the numbers, like think of Larry
• 23:51
  Speaker 3: bird or think of DiMaggio or mantle. Think of somebody that,
• 23:55
  Speaker 3: you know, think of, I think for the kids now
• 23:57
  Speaker 3: is Jordan, right? When you go, well, you don't understand.
• 24:01
  Speaker 3: You could look at the numbers, right? And the numbers
• 24:03
  Speaker 3: are awesome, but that doesn't cover it. Or it's not,
• 24:07
  Speaker 3: it's not in the moment for what he was. You'll
• 24:10
  Speaker 3: never understand it because you weren't there. And that's very much,
• 24:14
  Speaker 3: what Maradona was. I was a baby and watching on
• 24:17
  Speaker 3: a tiny little TV. And even then it was like, Nope, Nope,
• 24:20
  Speaker 3: that guy that's trouble every time. Just, it looked like a,
• 24:23
  Speaker 3: it looked like a horde of bees wherever he was. Right.
• 24:27
  Speaker 3: And otherwise talented athletes, right. Physical. Like you have to
• 24:30
  Speaker 3: understand going through England and going through West Germany. These
• 24:34
  Speaker 3: are teams that beat people up and all Maradona did,
• 24:38
  Speaker 3: despite being the prime target, by the way, despite being
• 24:41
  Speaker 3: the guy that they wanted to harm, and kick down
• 24:45
  Speaker 3: and keep out of the game physically, it just didn't work.
• 24:48
  Speaker 3: It did not work.
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: I tell you this, the only thing I know, I mean,
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: I know West Germany, they was good at a bunch
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: of stuff, and we got all kinds of stereotypes about
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: East Germany.
• 24:57
  Speaker 2: I only remember one athlete from East Germany. Bet you
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: know who I'm talking about.
• 25:02
  Speaker 3: It depends. I have ulterior motives. She.
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: was the greatest thing to East Germany sent us.
• 25:11
  Speaker 3: Was it Katarina Witt? Yes, sir. Thank you. Full disclosure.
• 25:19
  Speaker 3: I know there were other East German athletes. I know.
• 25:23
  Speaker 3: I know. I know.
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: I know about what.
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: Brother, we had her on Highly Questionable once when I
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: first got on there.
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: And she broke us down.
• 25:36
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: She had dead. A sweaty, stuttering mess.
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: And I did my best to hold it together, but
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: it was only because I was focused on.
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: That was it.
• 25:48
  Speaker 3: Were you looking slightly to the side?
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: Man, I was just, just had to turn it all off.
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: Just like you can't, I can't break, but, but I
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: wanted to.
• 25:58
  Speaker 3: Understand that woman's got a smile too. She's got like
• 26:01
  Speaker 3: a little, she's got game like that. Yeah. That's the
• 26:04
  Speaker 3: thing is that Katerina Vin had charm. And I mean wit.
• 26:07
  Speaker 3: And she was quick.
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 26:09
  Speaker 3: And she was, yeah.
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: It was very aware, very aware that she was the coach.
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: She understood what happened when she pulled up. She'd been
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: doing this a long time.
• 26:21
  Speaker 3: Trouble. Trouble. That's just trouble right there. Keep in mind,
• 26:27
  Speaker 3: you are hearing two grown men who came of age
• 26:30
  Speaker 3: when Katarina Witt was coming up. Yes. particularly vulnerable. I'd
• 26:35
  Speaker 3: rather do full disclosure and be like, you know, I'd
• 26:37
  Speaker 3: like to say something else, but I can't.
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Katarina Vitt was one of those where, like, you
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: could come over to our house and even tell the
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: truth about that one.
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: Be like, you know, I ain't really into white girls
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: like that, but!
• 26:51
  Speaker 3: That Katarina Vitt! Woo! Woo!
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: Different game, boy. Different game.
• 26:57
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  Speaker 1: All right, we are back with Spencer Hall. The WTF
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: of Maradona throwing his hand up to hit the ball,
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: which is, hey, I guess anything to win, but also
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: has to be a bit of just a short circuit.
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: Like you're never going to be able to convince me
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: that in that moment, You could turn off everything you've
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: ever been taught and everything that you ever had to do.
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: And just right then.
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: In a nil-nil match, you're just like, all right, let
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: me just go ahead and risk it all right here,
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: right now.
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: That has to be a glitch, right?
• 30:12
  Speaker 3: It is. It's also this. It's strategy. It's strategy. Because Italy,
• 30:21
  Speaker 3: that 06 Italy team, when I talk about classic Italy,
• 30:24
  Speaker 3: we get new Italy and classic Italy. Classic Italy in soccer.
• 30:28
  Speaker 3: is the team that I hate watching the most, right?
• 30:32
  Speaker 3: It is the team that I despise watching how they play.
• 30:36
  Speaker 3: And I also have to begrudgingly admit it is exactly
• 30:39
  Speaker 3: how I would play if I were a soccer manager.
• 30:42
  Speaker 3: Cause you know, you could try to do all of
• 30:44
  Speaker 3: these constructive, beautiful things. I could try to build a hole, right?
• 30:48
  Speaker 3: I could fill Jackson. It, I could sit there with
• 30:50
  Speaker 3: the drum, right. And beat it and go, listen, just
• 30:53
  Speaker 3: listen to the rhythm triangle boys triangle. Like I could
• 30:56
  Speaker 3: do that. Or, I could do what every Italian team
• 31:00
  Speaker 3: manager has done since time immemorial, which is this. I
• 31:03
  Speaker 3: need you to kick the shit out of them. And
• 31:05
  Speaker 3: I need you to score one goal, maybe two, maybe two,
• 31:10
  Speaker 3: or it's a lot. Okay. And then after that, what
• 31:13
  Speaker 3: I need you to do is beat the shit out
• 31:14
  Speaker 3: of it. That's it. I need you to knock heads.
• 31:17
  Speaker 3: And that's what Italy did. Italy was clinical. And what
• 31:20
  Speaker 3: they did to opponents was piss them off. And most teams,
• 31:25
  Speaker 3: most soccer teams, don't play better when they're pissed off.
• 31:29
  Speaker 3: They're distracted, right? They're not, they're not thinking clearly. They're
• 31:34
  Speaker 3: not playing clearly. They just wanted to bust up your flow.
• 31:38
  Speaker 3: And that is what they did beautifully. So I know
• 31:40
  Speaker 3: people will say Zindine Zidane did that as a glitch.
• 31:43
  Speaker 3: I know he say that, you know, he, he, you know,
• 31:46
  Speaker 3: is a hotheaded player, which is true. He's very, very
• 31:48
  Speaker 3: like Zidane occupies a very specific spot in French soccer. Okay.
• 31:54
  Speaker 3: Of Algerian descent. playing in a place where he is
• 31:59
  Speaker 3: um sometimes the victim of you know racism on the
• 32:03
  Speaker 3: part of french soccer fans much less everyone else um
• 32:07
  Speaker 3: and yet beloved by the majority i think of french
• 32:11
  Speaker 3: soccer fans um and and beloved i think generally internationally
• 32:15
  Speaker 3: like i think everyone he's a well-respected player but that's
• 32:20
  Speaker 3: not i i don't think that's entirely what happened i
• 32:22
  Speaker 3: think what happened is that Italy just kept poking and
• 32:25
  Speaker 3: poking and poking. They said Chiellini's big ass after you
• 32:28
  Speaker 3: where he's just in your face. He's just taunting you.
• 32:32
  Speaker 3: He's saying some of the worst. You know, the things
• 32:35
  Speaker 3: that Chiellini is accused of saying about Zidane and trash
• 32:39
  Speaker 3: talking are insane. Absolutely insane. Right. Talking about. Their mother,
• 32:45
  Speaker 3: like allegedly talking about Zidane's mother, who, by the way,
• 32:48
  Speaker 3: Zidane's mother was ill at the time. Like she was
• 32:50
  Speaker 3: not well.
• 32:51
  Speaker 2: Well, let's do this. Let's set this up just a
• 32:53
  Speaker 2: little bit for people, right?
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: This is the final of the 06 World Cup.
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: Okay. And the game was still in doubt, right?
• 33:02
  Speaker 3: Yes. Yes. And the game is in doubt. We go
• 33:07
  Speaker 3: into the official score of the game is 1-1. at
• 33:10
  Speaker 3: the end because it comes down to pks because they
• 33:12
  Speaker 3: went to pks yeah and italy wins 5-3 right because
• 33:15
  Speaker 3: this is again what is a perfect italy match if
• 33:17
  Speaker 3: we can't go up 1-0 in the first four minutes
• 33:20
  Speaker 3: okay we'll just play 90 nothing will happen and we'll
• 33:24
  Speaker 3: go to pks and we'll win there right because we
• 33:26
  Speaker 3: pissed you off to the point where you're not even
• 33:28
  Speaker 3: going to be able to concentrate during penalty kicks again
• 33:30
  Speaker 3: i hate watching it it is exactly what i would
• 33:32
  Speaker 3: want to do to an opponent right it is the
• 33:34
  Speaker 3: most like i will wall you up and taunt you
• 33:37
  Speaker 3: while i am bricking you in kind of like cask
• 33:41
  Speaker 3: of Amontillado soccer. And it's really, really fun to play.
• 33:45
  Speaker 3: And if you were a fan, you would love it.
• 33:48
  Speaker 3: As a viewer, it's terrible. But Marco Matarazzi is the
• 33:51
  Speaker 3: defender there, right? And Matarazzi allegedly, okay, said something. Yes.
• 33:56
  Speaker 3: And what you need to know, okay, is that this
• 33:59
  Speaker 3: set Zidane off so hard, so hard that he doesn't
• 34:04
  Speaker 3: punch him. That's the thing for like, he doesn't punch
• 34:07
  Speaker 3: him and he doesn't kick him. He headbutts him.
• 34:11
  Speaker 2: In the chest.
• 34:13
  Speaker 3: Not in the face. Like, okay. You've been in a
• 34:16
  Speaker 3: couple of fights. The headbutt for somebody like me, who's
• 34:19
  Speaker 3: got a 10 gallon head. Great move. It's an awesome move. Okay.
• 34:24
  Speaker 3: But you got to know one is going to hurt
• 34:26
  Speaker 3: you more than you think it's going to hurt. And two,
• 34:29
  Speaker 3: you want to aim it somewhere where it's going to
• 34:30
  Speaker 3: disorient that. That is not even the point. Zidane's just
• 34:33
  Speaker 3: so mad. He headbutts him in the chest. Now, Matarazi,
• 34:38
  Speaker 3: who is again, Grudging respect and love to Italy because
• 34:43
  Speaker 3: Matarazzi is such a heel that when Zidane hits him
• 34:46
  Speaker 3: in the sternum with his noggin, Matarazzi does a Ric
• 34:50
  Speaker 3: Flair flop. Yes, he does. Like, it's much respect. I mean,
• 34:55
  Speaker 3: arms back, full, like, ass over tea kettle to the floor.
• 35:01
  Speaker 3: And this changes the course of the game. This is, like, respect.
• 35:08
  Speaker 3: Zidane is booted. for his actions and says he doesn't
• 35:12
  Speaker 3: regret it that's a wild thing to say it is
• 35:19
  Speaker 3: you know what that is the most french thing when
• 35:21
  Speaker 3: you go man how french is he deans it on
• 35:24
  Speaker 3: as you go he's so french that when he got
• 35:27
  Speaker 3: booted from the world cup final for headbutting someone he's
• 35:31
  Speaker 3: like nope it was a truly gallant act on my
• 35:33
  Speaker 3: part i have no regrets yeah it's amazing.
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: Part of what's interesting, and I hadn't really thought about
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: it in these terms until we started talking about this,
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: was Zidane being Algerian and everything that comes with it is,
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: in the United States, at least we pay lip service
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: to the idea that this diversity thing is a feature,
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: not a bug, right? Like this is what makes us
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: dope because this is a country that kind of had to,
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: I mean, all of our recruiting was done out of state, right?
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: Like you had to get the players from elsewhere. We're
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: the University of Oklahoma, right? basically of the world right
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: we've got we got to go get guys yeah from
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: everywhere we're tennessee or kansas state we got to put
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: them on planes right we can't just go go get
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: players from right around um the rest of the world
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: doesn't necessarily feel like that they're like yeah people show
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: up sometimes and every now and then we let a
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: couple of them in right and there you have france
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: where all the people they went and conquered eventually want
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: to come there and they're like yeah.
• 36:28
  Speaker 3: They're although it does help they go well i don't
• 36:31
  Speaker 3: know about this but you know as long as you
• 36:33
  Speaker 3: speak french right that's the thing as long as you
• 36:35
  Speaker 3: speak french do you like that.
• 36:36
  Speaker 2: Is the key and when you say speak french they
• 36:38
  Speaker 2: mean speak french.
• 36:39
  Speaker 3: They mean speak french but they also mean do you
• 36:42
  Speaker 3: download french.exe and hit run right do you implement the
• 36:47
  Speaker 3: new app called france right where we you you go
• 36:50
  Speaker 3: like butter is awesome right and the greatest poet and
• 36:54
  Speaker 3: prose uh author of the 19th century is victor hugo right?
• 36:57
  Speaker 3: Like you have to, you got to do all the
• 36:59
  Speaker 3: French stuff. You got to do water, flour, yeast, salt.
• 37:02
  Speaker 2: That's bread.
• 37:03
  Speaker 3: Academy Frances, right? Like we got it. You got to
• 37:06
  Speaker 3: do all the things, right? Like it is very, people go, well,
• 37:09
  Speaker 3: that's very strange. No, it's not. We do that too. Like,
• 37:12
  Speaker 3: like we 100% do that, right? Like, Hey, what do
• 37:15
  Speaker 3: you drive? Oh, it's just a Ford F-150. Yeah, buddy.
• 37:17
  Speaker 3: You downloaded America. Good job. You got it. Like France is,
• 37:21
  Speaker 3: France is very much about that, but it's very codified
• 37:24
  Speaker 3: because they've been around a lot longer. So, um they
• 37:26
  Speaker 3: you know they're going to have a list of things
• 37:29
  Speaker 3: um we might be kind of as if we're french
• 37:32
  Speaker 3: we might be slightly ambivalent uh at best about the
• 37:35
  Speaker 3: idea of diversity and immigration we get a little more
• 37:38
  Speaker 3: friendly to the notion if we start winning world cups
• 37:41
  Speaker 3: again yes that.
• 37:42
  Speaker 2: Does help a little bit and when we started getting
• 37:44
  Speaker 2: into basketball.
• 37:46
  Speaker 3: When you when we when you have a victor wimbinyama Yeah.
• 37:50
  Speaker 3: Oh man.
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: We started with a Tony Parker. Like they started with
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: Tony Parker.
• 37:53
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: Like they, they, they, their hatred of Joel Embiid is hilarious.
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: Cause he fooled them. They thought that he was going
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: to go play for them.
• 38:00
  Speaker 2: And then he was like, nap. I'm sticking around in America.
• 38:04
  Speaker 3: Get you a couple of rugby players too, buddy. Come on.
• 38:07
  Speaker 3: If people don't know this, like, I love the notion that,
• 38:10
  Speaker 3: you know, France, like the caricature of France historically in
• 38:13
  Speaker 3: the United States has been that of like, Oh, Yes,
• 38:16
  Speaker 3: those little surrender guys, right? No, but they play rugby.
• 38:19
  Speaker 3: Have you ever seen the French rugby team? They beat doors, dude.
• 38:25
  Speaker 3: They knock people to hell. They had a guy named
• 38:27
  Speaker 3: Sebastian Chaval who was referred to as the caveman. Go
• 38:30
  Speaker 3: look him up. He's like six a billion and weighs
• 38:34
  Speaker 3: 400 pounds and looks like the mountain. Yeah, he's and
• 38:39
  Speaker 3: has like long hair and a beard and you don't
• 38:41
  Speaker 3: want to get hit by him. They play mean rugby.
• 38:43
  Speaker 3: You know what it means to play mean rugby? That's
• 38:45
  Speaker 3: like saying you play physical football, right? That's like saying, yeah,
• 38:49
  Speaker 3: the Baltimore Ravens in their prime, the defense, the whole defense.
• 38:53
  Speaker 3: That's what they play like.
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: And this is the country that Zinedine Zidane represented when
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: he put his head in that dude's chest. Like, even
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: being somebody who doesn't really do this game like that
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: was like, yo, you can't do that. That is the
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: craziest thing I have ever seen. I, you know.
• 39:07
  Speaker 3: You say you can't do that, okay? You say you
• 39:11
  Speaker 3: can't do that, but I did watch in a World
• 39:14
  Speaker 3: Cup final, right? In a World Cup final, somebody do
• 39:18
  Speaker 3: something almost as crazy. Not quite as crazy, but close.
• 39:26
  Speaker 3: And that was when in the, um that was when
• 39:30
  Speaker 3: Nigel de Jong for for the Netherlands okay against Spain
• 39:34
  Speaker 3: in 2010 Nigel de Jong kicked a dude in the
• 39:36
  Speaker 3: chest I mean Bruce Bowen style like flying absolutely annihilated
• 39:44
  Speaker 3: a guy in the chest nothing it's fine play on
• 39:51
  Speaker 3: Like we're watching it and I'm watching it in a
• 39:53
  Speaker 3: bar and I see this dude turn around and go, yo,
• 39:56
  Speaker 3: did he just kick that dude in the chest? I'm like, yeah,
• 40:00
  Speaker 3: he just like, I don't think you can do that. Yeah,
• 40:03
  Speaker 3: he absolutely annihilated Xabi Alonso in a World Cup final
• 40:10
  Speaker 3: and and and, you know, got a red card. But
• 40:16
  Speaker 3: people still do it. That's how much pressure there is, right?
• 40:19
  Speaker 3: I say nothing happened. He got a red card. But
• 40:22
  Speaker 3: people still do it. That's how deep, that's how intense
• 40:25
  Speaker 3: the pressure is, is that I think players revert to
• 40:28
  Speaker 3: what they are, you know, under pressure. And Nigel DeJong
• 40:31
  Speaker 3: is a guy who likes to kick people in the chest.
• 40:34
  Speaker 3: And Zidane is an extremely, extremely emotional player. By the way, Matarazzi,
• 40:39
  Speaker 3: when he was talking about his mother, like that's, you know,
• 40:41
  Speaker 3: saying like, Matarazzi, two things happened that were really interesting
• 40:46
  Speaker 3: coming out of that. A couple of Murdoch papers, including
• 40:49
  Speaker 3: The Sun, got lip readers to find. Because everybody was wondering, okay, well,
• 40:54
  Speaker 3: what did Matarazzi say? And these lip readers said that
• 40:58
  Speaker 3: he called Zidane's mother a terrorist, something like that. Or
• 41:05
  Speaker 3: that he was the son of a terrorist or something
• 41:07
  Speaker 3: like that. And Matarazzi ended up winning a settlement. out
• 41:11
  Speaker 3: of those papers because Matarazzi denied saying that. Matarazzi's mother
• 41:15
  Speaker 3: died when he was 15. And that was something he
• 41:17
  Speaker 3: said afterwards. He goes, am I really going to talk
• 41:20
  Speaker 3: serious shit about his mom?
• 41:21
  Speaker 2: Possibly though, to be honest, man, it's all on the board.
• 41:24
  Speaker 3: I mean, it's all in the game. You're playing Italy.
• 41:28
  Speaker 3: They're going to get you. And hard to argue that
• 41:30
  Speaker 3: it didn't work. Hard to argue because you know what
• 41:36
  Speaker 3: you took off the board? You took their best piece.
• 41:38
  Speaker 3: You took their, their midfielder. You took their, their central
• 41:41
  Speaker 3: processing unit off the board. You took Zidane out of
• 41:44
  Speaker 3: the game.
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: Also imagine it hurt like hell, like somebody putting their
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: giant head dead in your chest and you didn't see
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: it coming. Yeah.
• 41:54
  Speaker 3: I don't think it was much of a sell job.
• 41:55
  Speaker 3: I think he did embellish it a little bit, but
• 41:59
  Speaker 3: you know, an Italian soccer player embellishes a stiff wind.
• 42:01
  Speaker 3: This was light work for them.
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: Like I would try to think there is a Kim
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: Olajuwon punching Mitch Kupchak. right before the end of game
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: five of the 86 Western Conference Finals before Ralph Sampson
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: hit that shot.
• 42:13
  Speaker 2: Worked out for the Rockets. They won. They were way
• 42:15
  Speaker 2: up in the series.
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: I'm trying to think of what would happen in this
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: country if like this is kind of the.
• 42:22
  Speaker 2: Equivalent of LeBron James.
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: Just all of a sudden in a tie game with
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: five minutes left, just choke somebody out like Latrell Sprewell.
• 42:33
  Speaker 3: Yeah, not it has to be flagrant, right? It can't be, oh, well,
• 42:37
  Speaker 3: I kind of elbowed him when I was going for
• 42:38
  Speaker 3: a rebound. It can't be that. This has to be
• 42:41
  Speaker 3: Robert Parrish hammer fisting, right? Like hammer fisting Bill Lambert.
• 42:45
  Speaker 3: That's what this has to be. It has to be
• 42:48
  Speaker 3: that obvious, that flagrant. Like it'll never happen in football
• 42:51
  Speaker 3: because honestly, violence is indistinguishable from what football is about anyway.
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 42:56
  Speaker 3: It's not indistinguishable from a thousand things that happened two
• 42:58
  Speaker 3: seconds after the play. But yeah, it would be like
• 43:01
  Speaker 3: if you're in the middle of a tennis match, you
• 43:03
  Speaker 3: jump the net and just started wailing on somebody. Like
• 43:05
  Speaker 3: it would be, that's the closest thing I can come to.
• 43:09
  Speaker 1: And you're like up there in the discussion for best
• 43:11
  Speaker 1: player in the world.
• 43:12
  Speaker 3: And it's Wimbledon. And it's like Wimbledon center court and
• 43:15
  Speaker 3: the queen is there, right?
• 43:16
  Speaker 2: And playing a border country.
• 43:18
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and you're playing somebody that it matters, right? You
• 43:23
  Speaker 3: run into them on holiday, right?
• 43:26
  Speaker 2: Y'all done done some wars?
• 43:27
  Speaker 3: You've done some wars. You argue intensely about what constitutes
• 43:31
  Speaker 3: a sauce or what doesn't constitute a sauce, right? Could
• 43:35
  Speaker 3: run a fork through it. No, no, no, no, no.
• 43:37
  Speaker 3: That is not a sauce. Like, important things like that, Bo.
• 43:40
  Speaker 3: That's what we're talking about here.
• 43:43
  Speaker 2: And then he, like, in the biggest thing.
• 43:46
  Speaker 1: In the world.
• 43:47
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: I know, I feel like I keep saying the same
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: things over, but it was really that crazy in the moment. Like, again,
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: that's another one. If this happens now, that's right before
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: the social media ecosystem has really gotten cracking, right? There's
• 43:59
  Speaker 1: no instantaneous responses yet at that point.
• 44:02
  Speaker 3: You do get, like, listen, there's some really good early
• 44:05
  Speaker 3: memes on that, including Zidane headbutting Matarazzi into the pit
• 44:11
  Speaker 3: in 300, right? Like King Leonidas kicking. Yeah, there's a
• 44:14
  Speaker 3: couple of those. So it's like the birth of that ecosystem.
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: With all this in mind, I have to ask, are
• 44:22
  Speaker 1: you ready for our country to like, or just hoping
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: we don't embarrass ourselves in front of the world when
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: we get this whole thing going?
• 44:28
  Speaker 3: You know, it's, you just want to make it out
• 44:30
  Speaker 3: of group play. That's it. Let's just make it.
• 44:32
  Speaker 2: Out of group play. Oh no, I meant the whole country, right?
• 44:34
  Speaker 3: Oh, oh, The team. Oh, listen, the team is a
• 44:37
  Speaker 3: limited variable I can control. I know. I'm going to
• 44:40
  Speaker 3: give you a preview. Would you like my World Cup
• 44:43
  Speaker 3: preview of how we're going to be evaluated? It's too hot.
• 44:46
  Speaker 3: Step one, it is too hot. Every European is going
• 44:49
  Speaker 3: to complain about how it is too hot. Sirs and madams,
• 44:54
  Speaker 3: I agree. It's too hot. Yes. Nothing I can do
• 44:58
  Speaker 3: about that. You were the ones who scheduled games in Atlanta, Houston, Miami.
• 45:04
  Speaker 3: Miami's got one.
• 45:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah that's dumb what were you doing hey man they're
• 45:10
  Speaker 1: like we can sell tickets down here.
• 45:12
  Speaker 3: We can sell tickets down here okay cool y'all enjoy
• 45:15
  Speaker 3: that enjoy like we're gonna take a water break okay
• 45:19
  Speaker 3: sure that makes the game longer you should just get
• 45:22
  Speaker 3: it over with yes you should all take IVs at halftime.
• 45:25
  Speaker 2: Well they go they gonna love Toronto and Vancouver.
• 45:28
  Speaker 3: They're gonna like the places where summer means summer I
• 45:30
  Speaker 3: think we have this great national confusion by the way
• 45:33
  Speaker 3: but yeah, summer, summer's awesome. Summer's awesome for Buffalo. Summer's
• 45:37
  Speaker 3: awesome for Wisconsin. Summer's awesome for Seattle. Summer's awesome for
• 45:43
  Speaker 3: New York. Do you know where summer's not awesome? The South.
• 45:46
  Speaker 3: It's a punishment from God. That's what, that's what it is.
• 45:50
  Speaker 3: I don't even believe in God, but summer is a
• 45:52
  Speaker 3: punishment from God. And it's all like the idea of
• 45:56
  Speaker 3: playing the world, Kansas city, you know, Kansas city, the
• 46:01
  Speaker 3: mid continental climate, It's going to be miserable.
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: They in Houston and Dallas.
• 46:09
  Speaker 3: Why? You didn't have to do that. L.A.
• 46:13
  Speaker 2: Ain't even a reprieve no more.
• 46:16
  Speaker 3: No.
• 46:16
  Speaker 1: San Francisco, like I think I'll be playing a set. Oh, no,
• 46:19
  Speaker 1: that's going to be a Santa Clara. That sounds like
• 46:21
  Speaker 1: it's going to be really hot.
• 46:22
  Speaker 3: Oh, the Santa Clara gets us to the second thing,
• 46:25
  Speaker 3: which is. Your public transportation sucks. No, it doesn't. We
• 46:28
  Speaker 3: don't even have it. That's the joke. Joke's on you.
• 46:31
  Speaker 3: I wanted to take the train to the game. That's
• 46:32
  Speaker 3: your fault. Did you look one thing up? No, we
• 46:36
  Speaker 3: don't have that.
• 46:37
  Speaker 2: So, you know, that's the giant problem in New York.
• 46:39
  Speaker 1: Obviously, there's been the thing about New Jersey Transit trying
• 46:41
  Speaker 1: to charge people a zillion dollars. But that stadium, generally speaking,
• 46:45
  Speaker 1: does not have, like, it's not a public, it's not
• 46:48
  Speaker 1: made for public transportation. It's made for people to drive cars.
• 46:51
  Speaker 1: And FIFA does not want people driving cars. I think
• 46:54
  Speaker 1: they're afraid somebody blowing that bitch up. So they don't
• 46:56
  Speaker 1: want cars. But this place, this country is a car country.
• 47:00
  Speaker 1: Unlike the rest of the world, we developed in the
• 47:02
  Speaker 1: era of cars. It is a car country.
• 47:06
  Speaker 3: And if you don't have one of those, you're going
• 47:09
  Speaker 3: to have to rely on some of the most convoluted,
• 47:12
  Speaker 3: last minute patchwork solutions to public transit you have ever seen. Also,
• 47:19
  Speaker 3: you're going to have to enjoy some of the compromises
• 47:22
  Speaker 3: that you have to make when you deal with FIFA.
• 47:25
  Speaker 3: There was an entire kerfuffle here in Atlanta about branding.
• 47:29
  Speaker 3: What is on the side of our stadium?
• 47:31
  Speaker 2: A big old Mercedes-Benz logo.
• 47:33
  Speaker 3: It's just part.
• 47:34
  Speaker 2: Of the stadium.
• 47:37
  Speaker 3: And FIFA, in their wisdom, said, you know, it'd be
• 47:41
  Speaker 3: cool if you could get that off. It's the stadium.
• 47:44
  Speaker 3: It's the stadium. It's part of it.
• 47:46
  Speaker 2: But I love this.
• 47:47
  Speaker 1: FIFA's like, we don't give the milk away for free.
• 47:50
  Speaker 1: So all these stadiums that have corporate names are now, like,
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: for example, Mercedes-Benz Stadium in Atlanta, it is Atlanta Stadium.
• 47:58
  Speaker 3: Atlanta Stadium.
• 47:59
  Speaker 1: It is Boston Stadium, where Gillette and Foxborough, they're going
• 48:02
  Speaker 1: to have to change the name on that. I'm assuming
• 48:04
  Speaker 1: they finally got their money for security that Trump did
• 48:06
  Speaker 1: not want to give them.
• 48:07
  Speaker 2: That's a whole other story. But all these places.
• 48:09
  Speaker 1: That are sponsored, FIFA is not allowing that, right? I
• 48:16
  Speaker 1: will say this, though, about public transportation. It'll be funny
• 48:18
  Speaker 1: because as much as Atlanta has a substandard public transportation system,
• 48:23
  Speaker 1: it will work for this because most of these people
• 48:26
  Speaker 1: coming in from out of town will be staying between
• 48:28
  Speaker 1: downtown and midtown, and the train does well to get
• 48:31
  Speaker 1: you to that stadium. Problem is nobody ever really actually
• 48:35
  Speaker 1: takes this train. They're going to be so unaccustomed to
• 48:37
  Speaker 1: people actually using it. And in a lot of ways,
• 48:41
  Speaker 1: it will take on the true name of MARTA. And
• 48:43
  Speaker 1: those of you who are not from Atlanta are like, MARTA,
• 48:46
  Speaker 1: what is that? It's a public transportation system. You're like, oh,
• 48:48
  Speaker 1: what does that stand for? And you could probably stop
• 48:50
  Speaker 1: and take a moment and you would say to yourself, oh,
• 48:52
  Speaker 1: Metropolitan Atlanta Rapid Transit Authority. And that is what they
• 48:56
  Speaker 1: thought it would be an abbreviation for when they opened it,
• 49:01
  Speaker 1: but in reality, MARTA stands in truth for moving Africans
• 49:06
  Speaker 1: rapidly through Atlanta. And I guess there will be some Africans.
• 49:10
  Speaker 1: There will be, but it will be the murder in
• 49:13
  Speaker 1: large part.
• 49:13
  Speaker 3: I was going to say, for once, can be mostly,
• 49:17
  Speaker 3: that could be somewhat accurate, right? Like you're like... there's
• 49:20
  Speaker 3: literally african soccer fans on the train yes yeah for
• 49:23
  Speaker 3: once i'm glad you said it and not me yeah.
• 49:26
  Speaker 1: That was one of those where i wondered if white
• 49:27
  Speaker 1: people told the same joke but with a different tenor.
• 49:29
  Speaker 3: You know what i mean nope nope that's that's uh
• 49:32
  Speaker 3: that's what the worst people here will tell you hey
• 49:34
  Speaker 3: you know what it stands for yeah dude i.
• 49:37
  Speaker 2: It's funny to us. I hadn't thought about it being
• 49:39
  Speaker 2: in the other way for them.
• 49:40
  Speaker 3: Yeah. It is one of a thousand little challenges that
• 49:44
  Speaker 3: the World Cup will throw up in terms of moving people.
• 49:48
  Speaker 3: There are people, by the way, and this happens to Americans, too,
• 49:52
  Speaker 3: when they plan trips. There are people, I have no doubt, who,
• 49:56
  Speaker 3: being blessed with ample cash and time, will say, hey,
• 50:00
  Speaker 3: I want to go to a game in Miami, and
• 50:02
  Speaker 3: then I thought I would just jet over to Houston
• 50:04
  Speaker 3: for a game. you can do that. And they're like, Oh,
• 50:07
  Speaker 3: but we could drive. Don't do that. You have no
• 50:10
  Speaker 3: idea how far things are. Yeah. Like there's probably one
• 50:13
  Speaker 3: or two people from the continent listening to this right
• 50:16
  Speaker 3: now who might be going to the world cup and
• 50:18
  Speaker 3: they might have notions like this. And let me tell you, don't, don't.
• 50:22
  Speaker 3: Are you thinking of going to a game in Philadelphia
• 50:24
  Speaker 3: and New York? Logical. Great. Do that. Are you thinking, Oh,
• 50:29
  Speaker 3: I should go to a game in California and then
• 50:31
  Speaker 3: I should go to a game and you know, Kansas city.
• 50:33
  Speaker 3: Don't do that. No, no, no.
• 50:35
  Speaker 2: Check that map out.
• 50:36
  Speaker 3: Yeah, stretch that, okay? Because the spaces are ridiculous.
• 50:40
  Speaker 1: Also, Kansas City, not equipped with the kind of airport
• 50:43
  Speaker 1: that you really need to make these things happen.
• 50:46
  Speaker 3: Evidently, it's a little better than it used to be,
• 50:48
  Speaker 3: but yeah, Kansas City is going to be... Kansas City, apparently,
• 50:51
  Speaker 3: in terms of hotel demand, they're always... By the way,
• 50:55
  Speaker 3: this happens every single World Cup.
• 50:56
  Speaker 1: I know.
• 50:57
  Speaker 3: It's probably a real issue. I'm not saying it's not
• 50:59
  Speaker 3: a real issue, but... there's always, oh, well, people overestimated
• 51:03
  Speaker 3: the amount of hotels people would need. Kansas City is
• 51:05
  Speaker 3: one of the places where that number is huge in
• 51:08
  Speaker 3: terms of hotel vacancies. So maybe I just talked myself into, hey,
• 51:13
  Speaker 3: that's the bargain. Go see a game in KC.
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