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Sharri | 3 August · Sharri

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Speaker 1: Live on You twenty four. You're watching Sharry.
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Speaker 2: Good evening tonight.
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Speaker 3: Why Pauline Hanson needs security and bodyguards just a campaign
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Speaker 3: on Australian streets. Plus it would be a grave mistake
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Speaker 3: for the Royal Commission to ignore Islamic extremism and focus
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Speaker 3: on protest laws. I'll discuss this with the head of
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Speaker 3: the Anti Defamation League, Jonathan Greenblat. And the explosive trial
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Speaker 3: against Alan Jones begins with an athletic star accusing him
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Speaker 3: of kissing and touching without consent. More on that shortly,
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Speaker 3: but first tonight, former Prime Minister John Howard has entered
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Speaker 3: the debate over immigration and Australian culture as Pauline Hanson
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Speaker 3: surges ahead in the polls and today unveiled her Victorian team. Howard,
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Speaker 3: as you know, famously declared this in two thousand and one, we.
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Speaker 4: Will decide who comes to this country and the circumstances
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Speaker 4: in which they come.
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Speaker 3: But now he's pushing back against Pauline Hanson's call for
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Speaker 3: a monoculture. He says, I, frankly do not know what
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Speaker 3: monoculture means in the context of immigration. To some, it
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Speaker 3: apparently means a mixture of people of different ancestries bound
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Speaker 3: together by a common Australian citizenship. To others, it can
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Speaker 3: mean an uncompromising refusal to accept any deviation from a
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Speaker 3: pre established Australian identity. But Howard doesn't endorse multiculturalism either,
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Speaker 3: and he believes it's failed in Australia. I've had the
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Speaker 3: conversation with him on a number of occasions. The reason
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Speaker 3: it has failed is not because of the vast majority
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Speaker 3: of migrants who've brought the best of their foods and
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Speaker 3: culture to Australia while happily and gratefully embracing the Australian.
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Speaker 2: Way of life.
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Speaker 3: The point at which multiculturalism falls apart is radical Islamism,
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Speaker 3: and John Howard appears to acknowledge this when he says
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Speaker 3: the other important constraint has been that existing citizens do
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Speaker 3: not want new arrivals bringing their homegrown hatreds and enmities
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Speaker 3: to this country.
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Speaker 5: Well.
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Speaker 3: Radical Islamism has been the downfall of multiculturalism, not only
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Speaker 3: in Australia but in.
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Speaker 2: Large parts of Europe.
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Speaker 3: And it's because of threats associated with this ideology that
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Speaker 3: Pauline Hansen now needs almost constant security wherever she goes.
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Speaker 3: My understanding is that she has Australian Federal Police bodyguards
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Speaker 3: protecting her and my colleague Chris Kenny asked her about
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Speaker 3: security and the situation of the protests at her press
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Speaker 3: conference today.
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Speaker 5: There's an enormous amount of security around this event today.
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Speaker 5: How concerned are you about the ability of One Nation
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Speaker 5: to get campaign freely in the Victorian state election.
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Speaker 2: It is going to be.
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Speaker 6: Tough, but there's still a lot of spoot out there
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Speaker 6: and people want to see us and these people, you know,
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Speaker 6: they understand what it's like out in the streets and
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Speaker 6: I'm sure they've received a lot of support from their
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Speaker 6: family and friends.
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Speaker 3: Isn't it a sorry state of affairs when Pauline Hanson
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Speaker 3: needs almost full time security because the threats against her
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Speaker 3: are so intense on Australian streets. The Albanezy government has
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Speaker 3: done almost nothing to ensure that people who embrace extremist
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Speaker 3: ideology are prevented from coming to Australia. And it's the
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Speaker 3: ideology behind the spate of recent terror attacks around the world,
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Speaker 3: allegedly including the attack of Bondai, and it's one of
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Speaker 3: the reasons One Nation is soaring in the polls. They
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Speaker 3: only had a six percent primary around that at the
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Speaker 3: last election. As Barnaby Joyce has said, they're up so
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Speaker 3: and support came after the Bondi attack. That was when
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Speaker 3: Australians woke up to the devastating impact that radical Islamism
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Speaker 3: may have on our shores. Its ideology is incompatible with
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Speaker 3: Australian customs, democracy and our Judeo Christian values. It's also
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Speaker 3: incompatible with Australian law. Its most extreme adherents advocate Sharia law,
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Speaker 3: false child marriage, female genital mutilation, and violence against non Muslims.
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Speaker 3: And this ideology has been on full display at many
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Speaker 3: pro Palestinian rallies where terror flags are flown, including on
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Speaker 3: the Harbor Bridge, a rally that, as you'll recall, Prime
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Speaker 3: Minister Anthony Albanezi praised, and two days after the barbaric
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Speaker 3: attacks on civilians in Israel, a vigil at the Opera
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Speaker 3: House was abandoned amid scenes of extremist hatred. And now
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Speaker 3: just this week, starting tomorrow, an anti Semitism Royal Commission
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Speaker 3: will examine those scenes, but it's focusing on.
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Speaker 2: The right to protest.
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Speaker 3: Here's what the Royal Commission says it will examine on
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Speaker 3: its website. The democratic function played by protests, hateful conduct
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Speaker 3: that can occur in the context of protest activity, how
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Speaker 3: police respond to protests.
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Speaker 2: Now, this reminds me a little bit of the immediate.
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Speaker 3: Response after the Bondie attack, when Anthony Albinizi announced new
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Speaker 3: gun laws but failed to take action on antisemitism. As
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Speaker 3: Josh Friedenberg pointed out at Bondai that week, guns were
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Speaker 3: not the underlying issue.
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Speaker 2: It was radical Islamism that pulled the trigger.
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Speaker 7: Guns may have stolen the life of fifteen innocent civilians,
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Speaker 7: but it was radical is Lummist ideology that pulled the trigger.
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Speaker 7: And if you Prime Minister can't say those words is
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Speaker 7: lummist ideology. If you can't speak them, you can't solve them.
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Speaker 3: I mean, this strikes me as the same mistake all
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Speaker 3: over again. Now, the Royal Commission has been doing great work.
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Speaker 3: I commend it, but I wonder whether the Royal Commission
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Speaker 3: is approaching this issue from the wrong direction. Protest laws
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Speaker 3: are not the fundamental problem. The fundamental problem is radical Islamism.
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Speaker 3: This isn't a debate about the right to protest. It's
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Speaker 3: about allowing an extremist ideology to take hold in Australia
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Speaker 3: and seeing that ideology expressed openly at proto yests and
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Speaker 3: just a reminder, look at the deeply UnAustralian chance at
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Speaker 3: the Opera House rally that night. Well, this hatred continued
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Speaker 3: to escalate over the subsequent two years until gunman opened
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Speaker 3: fire at Bondai Beach, leaving fifty people shot and fifteen killed, including.
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Speaker 2: Of course a child.
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Speaker 3: Now that hatred that began at the Opera House was
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Speaker 3: normalized and excused under the banners of freedom of expression
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Speaker 3: in the name of multiculturalism, and that is precisely the issue.
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Speaker 3: This is not merely about protest laws. It's about allowing
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Speaker 3: migrants into the country who believe that Jews and Zionists
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Speaker 3: and well any non believers should be killed, who chant
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Speaker 3: extremist slogans while flags are burnt at the Opera House,
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Speaker 3: and who seek to harm their fellow Australians. This is dangerous,
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Speaker 3: criminal conduct that in my view, incites hatred and has
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Speaker 3: no place in Australia. So if there is now widespread
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Speaker 3: support for Pauline Hanson's call from monoculture without reaction is
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Speaker 3: understandable because the Albineasy government hasn't lifted a finger to
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Speaker 3: deal with radical Islam and the multitude of problems it causes,
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Speaker 3: and it would be a grave mistake for the Royal
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Speaker 3: Commission this week to ignore the ideology underpinning anti Semitism
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Speaker 3: and instead focus on protest laws. Now I'll come back
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Speaker 3: to that a bit later, but first, now let's turn
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Speaker 3: to the Alan Jones trial and the first witness has
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Speaker 3: taken stand today, testifying the former broadcaster kissed and touched
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Speaker 3: him without his consent while he was a rising athletic star.
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Speaker 3: Jones has pleaded not guilty to all twenty two chargers,
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Speaker 3: and he is the latest.
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Speaker 2: Thanks to nine News.
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Speaker 8: Alan Jones could always draw an audience on radio.
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Speaker 2: Mister Jones, how are you feeling this morning?
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Speaker 1: But this is different.
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Speaker 8: The crowd a throng of reporters and can Ra Cruz.
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Speaker 9: Mister Jones, are you ready for your day in court?
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Speaker 8: Greeting not a broadcaster but an alleged sexual predator, the
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Speaker 8: eighty five year old, frail but insisting he's innocent. The
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Speaker 8: plane at Jay was the first of six alleged victims
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Speaker 8: to give evidence. A champion athlete, he met Jones as
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Speaker 8: a teenager. The court heard the broadcaster allegedly bought him
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Speaker 8: a mobile phone, a car and gifted him four hundred,
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Speaker 8: five hundred and then six hundred dollars a week. You've
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Speaker 8: been a really good boy. I'm going to give you
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Speaker 8: some more money. In another incident, the broadcaster allegedly squeezed
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Speaker 8: the complainant's penis, calling it impressive.
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Speaker 3: And Alan Jones's barrister, Gabrielle Bisheer, told the court that rivalry, treachery,
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Speaker 3: double dealing money, hatred, desperation and more were at the
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Speaker 3: heart of the case, and she said Jones had faced
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Speaker 3: a trial by media and claimed that his media arrivals,
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Speaker 3: including Ray Hardley, were to blame for spreading stories to
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Speaker 3: destroy him. And of course Ray Hardley will join me
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Speaker 3: on the show a bit later, as he always does
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Speaker 3: every Monday. Okay, let's turn now to the other big
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Speaker 3: stories today, and let's bring in former Labor MP Michael
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Speaker 3: Danby and former Labor State Secretary Cameron Milner.
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Speaker 2: Great to see you both.
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Speaker 3: Look, I'm going to return to John Howard's comments a
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Speaker 3: bit in a moment, but I want to start with
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Speaker 3: One Nation today announcing its candidates in the upcoming Victorian election.
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Speaker 3: Some interesting names unveiled, including Daniel Andrews's former bodyguard Chris Person,
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Speaker 3: also the animator Mark Nicholson, who's been responsible for their
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Speaker 3: viral cartoons. And the party's going to be led by
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Speaker 3: the state party president in Victoria, Warren Pickering.
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Speaker 10: It's not lost on us the gravity of this undertaking
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Speaker 10: in Victoria.
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Speaker 1: It's really not.
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Speaker 10: As the Boss alluded to, we are on the precipice
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Speaker 10: of social and economic collapse, and anybody who doesn't believe
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Speaker 10: that is simply not paying attention as such. For you've
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Speaker 10: engaged in a concerted effort to cultivate talent from within
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Speaker 10: the community. We are of the firm belief that it's
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Speaker 10: politicians have got us into this mess, and we're sure
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Speaker 10: as hell not going to leave it to politicians to
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Speaker 10: get us out.
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Speaker 3: I mean, Cameron, Victoria is traditionally a very progressive state.
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Speaker 3: So do you think one nation has well? Do you
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Speaker 3: think their prospects are as good in Victoria as they
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Speaker 3: might be in New South Wales Land.
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Speaker 1: Well, no, I don't.
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Speaker 11: But the Poles say that one Nation will do well
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Speaker 11: in Victoria. So look at the Poles, you know. To
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Speaker 11: get the information here. What's fascinating to me is that
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Speaker 11: the lead of One Nation is going to run for Packenham,
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Speaker 11: which is the most marginal seat. It was a Jess
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Speaker 11: Wilson seat she had to win back to get the
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Speaker 11: sixteen seat she needs to get to unseat now Ben
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Speaker 11: Carroll as the Premier of Victoria and One Nations now
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Speaker 11: in that race. So each of these contents are going
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Speaker 11: to become three horse races and that makes it a
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Speaker 11: much more difficult task for a majority government from either
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Speaker 11: side to be formed. And that I think the thing
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Speaker 11: that's the challenge for Victoria. You've got a situation where
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Speaker 11: Labor can actually get up to seven or eight seats
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Speaker 11: with the Greens and be a minority government with the
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Speaker 11: Greens and the coalition now steering down the barrel of
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Speaker 11: One Nation winning seats in Victoria and forcing them into
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Speaker 11: minority government and forcing them into governing with One Nation support.
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Speaker 11: That's the choice on the table for Victorian voters in
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Speaker 11: about fifteen weeks time.
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Speaker 3: Then at the federal level, Michael, I mean, the worry
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Speaker 3: for those who dislike the Albaneze government is that the
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Speaker 3: rise of One Nation will divide the Conservative vote even
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Speaker 3: further and look some as saying it will guarantee, guarantee
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Speaker 3: another labor term.
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Speaker 5: Well, share, You're right. You simply can't add the One
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Speaker 5: Nation vote and the Coalition vote together, which is about
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Speaker 5: fifty percent now, and say that they're going to win.
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Speaker 5: I expect One Nation's main effect, both in Victoria and
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Speaker 5: eventually in the federal election to be in the Upper House.
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Speaker 5: That's why Pauline announced the twelve for the Victorian Upper
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Speaker 5: House today, and I expect that they might get up
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Speaker 5: to a dozen in the Senate eventually when we have
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Speaker 5: the federal election. But One Nation I think we'll run
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Speaker 5: behind the Liberals here. Jess Wilson has become a more
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Speaker 5: impressive candidate, the leader of the Liberal Party, and I
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Speaker 5: expect One Nation's preferences to flow quite strongly to the
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Speaker 5: Coalition and them to if they don't win in their
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Speaker 5: own right, they'll be pretty close to it.
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Speaker 3: Look, before Pauline's big announcement of her Victorian candidates today,
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Speaker 3: she actually blocked the ABC, the Guardian and the AGE
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Speaker 3: from attending the press conference. Here's what Here's what she
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Speaker 3: had to say to when she was defending this decision.
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Speaker 2: I'm sorry that democracy.
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Speaker 6: Doesn't happen on the ABC at all. And I'm sick
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Speaker 6: of it's not fair and just in their reporting. So
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Speaker 6: if you want to criticize and have it got me
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Speaker 6: not putting the truth across, you'll not giving me the
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Speaker 6: truth of democracy either.
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Speaker 3: Now, Cameron, Look, I openly can say that I dislike
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Speaker 3: the Guardian and I agree that ABC's reporting is often biased.
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Speaker 3: But I think it is a dangerous precedent to exclude
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Speaker 3: media outlets or journalists who don't like from press conferences.
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Speaker 3: I mean, I think the Donald Trump approaches much better.
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Speaker 3: Have all the journalists there call out their questions. If
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Speaker 3: you don't agree with them, what do you think?
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Speaker 1: Oh?
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Speaker 11: Look, I agree, And if you want freedom of expression,
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Speaker 11: you have freed of the press. It's a pretty fundamental
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Speaker 11: s the cornerstone of our democracy. And Pauline simply excluding
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Speaker 11: people locking people out doesn't allow the situation to have
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Speaker 11: where the Guardians, reviewers should have to watch Pauline. The
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Speaker 11: ABC viewer should actually have to listen to what Pauline
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Speaker 11: hands has got to say. They shouldn't be shielded in
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Speaker 11: their little cafe lartests like this. No, I mean, the
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Speaker 11: situation is Pauline should be there for anyone from the
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Speaker 11: press gallery to ask any question and to your point,
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Speaker 11: deal with it like Trump, take the journal on the
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Speaker 11: rebut the comment.
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Speaker 1: Don't lock them.
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Speaker 2: Out, you know.
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Speaker 3: And as much as I don't like those Metia outlets, Michael,
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Speaker 3: I do think scrutiny is important. You know, have the transparency,
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Speaker 3: have the sunlight. If you've got nothing to hide, then
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Speaker 3: why does it matter having a couple of hostile journalists
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Speaker 3: when she can handle them.
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Speaker 2: We know she can handle them.
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Speaker 5: And as the Donald has shown, speaking to the actual
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Speaker 5: journalists is sometimes an easier job than some of the compies.
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Speaker 5: That's where the ABC shockingly biased. I'm deeply pessimistic about them.
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Speaker 5: I cannot believe that interview that Chris Kenny did with
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Speaker 5: Kim Williams. How could you say that the anti American
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Speaker 5: correspondent that they've got in Washington, John Lyons, wasn't biased
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Speaker 5: or selling Sarah or so many of the other compis
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Speaker 5: that they have. So I think it's easier to take
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Speaker 5: on the journalists who tend to be more junior and
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Speaker 5: a bit fairer. But it's the compiers at the ABC
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Speaker 5: that are a dead loss.
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Speaker 3: I mean, this isn't about press conferences, but I mean
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Speaker 3: Anthony ALBINIZI he hasn't come on my show ever, well
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Speaker 3: not since twenty eighteen. Pauline Hanson won't go on ABC program,
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Speaker 3: So I guess it's you know, it's not dissimilar to that.
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Speaker 3: You know, the politicians always pick the journalists they like
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Speaker 3: and they go do interviews with them. That's, I guess,
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Speaker 3: just the way it is in the Canberra Press Gallery.
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Speaker 3: All right, let's turn back to my editorial where John
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Speaker 3: Howard criticized Pauline Hanson's push for a monocol and he
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Speaker 3: wrote in The Australian that much political discussion of immigration
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Speaker 3: today is beset by a pointless debate about whether we
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Speaker 3: should call it munticultural or multicultural. And he's arguing that
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Speaker 3: most Australians regard this as quite pointless simply because they
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Speaker 3: have long favored a steady immigration stream, subject to it
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Speaker 3: not imposing too great a strain on our infrastructure, especially housing. Cameron,
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Speaker 3: I think this argument might have changed. I think because
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Speaker 3: there is such a housing crisis now, people do want
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Speaker 3: to see the levels of migration lowered.
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Speaker 2: What do you think.
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Speaker 1: I think it's very populist.
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Speaker 11: I think what Paulia Hanson's done and said the press
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Speaker 11: gallery was all about a huge amount of attention to
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Speaker 11: her and one Nation's cause. But you've got to take
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Speaker 11: the view of John Howard in its measure. I mean,
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Speaker 11: John Howard actually made migration and borders a political tool
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Speaker 11: he weaponized, so he knows how to do this and
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Speaker 11: has done that for eellectual success himself in two thousand
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Speaker 11: and one. So no, I think the interesting thing from
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Speaker 11: John Howard, who's actually no our statesman, is actually making
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Speaker 11: the point that we are a very different nation. We're
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Speaker 11: not just a white area in race the way something
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Speaker 11: one nation want to. We are generally multicultural. We celebrate
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Speaker 11: the fact that people come from all over the world
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Speaker 11: peacefully to live in our in our community, and we
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Speaker 11: shouldn't celebrate, obviously those from radical Islam who want to
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Speaker 11: come and destroy our society and the one that we
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Speaker 11: share so freely with so many people. So to put
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Speaker 11: John Howard's point, we are multicultural, we should celebrate that.
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Speaker 11: The immigration levels in terms of matching housing, Yes, that's
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Speaker 11: creating tensions out there, and Paul En Hansen, I think
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Speaker 11: is using that to run a very different and more
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Speaker 11: vile argument about it being a white nation rather than
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Speaker 11: one nation.
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Speaker 3: Michael what do you think, I mean putting the numbers
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Speaker 3: aside because of the cost of living crisis and the
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Speaker 3: housing crunch. I mean, multiculturalism hasn't failed, has it? Apart
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Speaker 3: from radical Islam?
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Speaker 2: Do you agree?
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Speaker 5: John Howard is genuinely a pluralist bloke. A business friend
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Speaker 5: of mine once asked me to by mitsa or I
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Speaker 5: watched him doing the horror where everyone held each other
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Speaker 5: stands with a whole bunch of Jewish grandmothers. And certainly
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Speaker 5: his chief of staff, Arthur Sinadinis is a great former
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Speaker 5: ambassador Greek Australian, is one of the best civil servants
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Speaker 5: I've ever had to deal with. But it's the level
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Speaker 5: of migration and the nature of that migration that are
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Speaker 5: legitimate topics of debate and which we should stick to.
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Speaker 5: And you stick to it, and Cameron sticks to it,
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Speaker 5: and we should get Pauline and Angus and even Elbow
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Speaker 5: to stick to it. Those are the topics, the level
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Speaker 5: of immigration and the nature of that immigration. I don't
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Speaker 5: want any more refugees unchecked from Gaza, nor do I
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Speaker 5: went want Dr Jihadi to come back to Australia.
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Speaker 3: Absolutely completely agree. But the polls, I mean, while Pauline
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Speaker 3: and One Nation. Their primary is much stronger than the coalition.
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Speaker 3: I mean, the polls today is owing that on a
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Speaker 3: two party preferred basis, the Coalition is ahead of Labor
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Speaker 3: by four points. So Cameron, I mean, based on this
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Speaker 3: and very hard of course to poll because we just
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Speaker 3: don't know how the preferences will flow. But based on this,
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Speaker 3: do you think we could be looking at a coalition
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Speaker 3: federal government come the next election.
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Speaker 1: Well, I think that's on the table.
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Speaker 11: And Albert hasn't really got an answer to One Nation,
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Speaker 11: hasn't really been answer to the fact that he is
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Speaker 11: still running a weak lying government at its foundations, and
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Speaker 11: the last budget was a disaster, total disaster on top
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Speaker 11: of the three interest rate rises to go attack people's
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Speaker 11: wealth across Australia and destroy housing prices. It's a terrible,
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Speaker 11: terrible budget that Albo's brought down. So little wonder there's
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Speaker 11: a run on the Labor primary vote and it's getting
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Speaker 11: to the levels now where Labor can't actually sit back
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Speaker 11: and say, oh, we're going to win anyway. To your point, Michael,
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Speaker 11: I think it's getting competitive out there. If Albo stays
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Speaker 11: leader and does what he's continued to do. It may
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Speaker 11: well end up like Starmer in the UK. You have
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Speaker 11: a lot of parliamentarians, but once you lose the popular
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Speaker 11: vote in the polls and the party start to move.
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Speaker 3: Look, I wish it would end up Blake Stamer, but
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Speaker 3: I can't see any sign of that happening. He seems
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Speaker 3: to have so much power and popularity among Isabella MPs.
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Speaker 2: Michael tell me I'm wrong.
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Speaker 5: Well, I don't think you are. I think that ninety
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Speaker 5: three seats is a sort of big base to start from,
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Speaker 5: and if any government deserves to be defeated, it's this
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Speaker 5: federal government. As I've said previously, I think the impetus
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Speaker 5: will come from Victoria. Angus Taylor will have to look
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Speaker 5: to Jess Wilson to see if she wins better in
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Speaker 5: her own right. I think that Ben Carroll has got
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Speaker 5: a bit of a boost. So that was a smart
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Speaker 5: thing of Labor to remove the very very unpopular just
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Speaker 5: into Collins in time, and if they do well in
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Speaker 5: Victoria that may set them up for a recovery in Nationally,
21:52
Speaker 5: the problem is one nation preferences and will they go
21:57
Speaker 5: to the Coalition. A lot of them are Labor voters,
22:00
Speaker 5: won't want to go to conservative Liberal National Party opposition.
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Speaker 2: All right, Michael danby camer Miono.
22:09
Speaker 3: Great to see both of you, and we will come
22:12
Speaker 3: back to the economy and the crashing property market.
22:16
Speaker 2: A bit laid with Ray Hadley.
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Speaker 3: But now a shocking new report has revealed that twenty
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Speaker 3: twenty five was the deadliest year for Jewish people living
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Speaker 3: outside of Israel in over thirty years. The j seven
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Speaker 3: report by the Anti Defamation League noted that twenty people
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Speaker 3: were killed in anti Semitic attacks.
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Speaker 2: Across the world last year.
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Speaker 3: And of course fifteen of those on our turf at
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Speaker 3: Bondai and Australia in fact had the highest rise in
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Speaker 3: anti Semitic incidents, increasing by two hundred and seventy percent
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Speaker 3: over the past five years. This is followed by Germany
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Speaker 3: with a two hundred and fifteen percent rise, the United
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Speaker 3: States France as well one hundred and twenty four percent rise.
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Speaker 3: And joining me to discuss this now is the world
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Speaker 3: renowned Anti Defamation League Chief executive Officer Jonathan Greenblatt, a
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Speaker 3: former White House advisor who's visiting Australia at the moment. Jonathan,
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Speaker 3: thank you so much, wonderful to have you here.
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Speaker 12: What an honor it is for me to be on
23:15
Speaker 12: your show. I just so appreciate your boldness and your
23:18
Speaker 12: leadership things.
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Speaker 3: Well, that's so kind and we're all very grateful to
23:21
Speaker 3: have you here because you know, as your statistics show,
23:25
Speaker 3: Australia has been having a really tough time with the
23:28
Speaker 3: rise in hatred, anti Semitic attacks, violent crime on our
23:32
Speaker 3: streets over the past two and a half years.
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Speaker 2: Now.
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Speaker 12: Yeah, look, let's be clear, since October the seventh, anti Semitism,
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Speaker 12: a hatred against Jewish people or the Jewish state, has
23:43
Speaker 12: been on the rise across the world, particularly in liberal
23:45
Speaker 12: democracies like America or the UK, France or Australia. And
23:50
Speaker 12: yet it's Australia that has had the most market rise,
23:54
Speaker 12: as you said, up two hundred and seventy percent, and
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Speaker 12: if you look at the ratio of viol and anti
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Speaker 12: Semitic incidents, it's up five times as much in Australia
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Speaker 12: as it is in any of those other countries.
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Speaker 3: It's been such a shock to us because we have
24:09
Speaker 3: been such a relaxed country known as the Lucky country.
24:14
Speaker 3: You know, what would you say to our political leaders,
24:16
Speaker 3: to our prime minister, what do they need to do?
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Speaker 2: To try and get on top of this.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 12: Look, I think what I've learned being back in Australia,
24:23
Speaker 12: this is my third miston to the country is Jewish
24:25
Speaker 12: Australians they just want a fair go. They just want
24:28
Speaker 12: to be treated like everyone else. Not again different rights,
24:31
Speaker 12: just equal rights, and that means being protected, that means
24:35
Speaker 12: not being assailed and attacked for their identity. But yet
24:39
Speaker 12: we've seen this terrible rash of incidences, as you know,
24:41
Speaker 12: in businesses, synagogues, people's homes and of course that tragedy
24:45
Speaker 12: in Bondai Beach. So what I would say to politicians,
24:48
Speaker 12: they were way too slow after the attack to act.
24:52
Speaker 12: But now you have this Royal Commission, and what I
24:54
Speaker 12: think your political leadership needs to understand is this isn't
24:58
Speaker 12: just an Australian issue.
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Speaker 1: This is a blue global issue. The whole world.
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Speaker 12: Chariye is watching what happens here in Australia. The whole
25:05
Speaker 12: world wants to see will this World Commission deal with
25:08
Speaker 12: the problem effectively and exhaustively.
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Speaker 1: That's what we were hoping to see.
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Speaker 3: And by the way, we had to really push it
25:15
Speaker 3: was a full week fight sure to even get the
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Speaker 3: role Commission up now as I said at the start
25:21
Speaker 3: of the show, the Role Commission starting on tomorrow has
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Speaker 3: a dedicated hearing block where it's going to examine protest activity,
25:28
Speaker 3: including the Opera House rally. But what concerns me is
25:32
Speaker 3: when I looked at what they're actually going to be examining,
25:35
Speaker 3: it's protest laws, not you know, the trigger that pulled
25:40
Speaker 3: the Garners, Josh Fridenberg said, not the Islamism.
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Speaker 2: Ye, that is the real issue at the heart of this.
25:47
Speaker 1: Look at the ADA.
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Speaker 12: We fight for some basic rights which we share with
25:51
Speaker 12: you here in Australia, like freedom of speech or freedom
25:54
Speaker 12: of expression. But freedom of speech isn't the freedom to
25:56
Speaker 12: slander people, and freedom of expression definitely is not the
25:59
Speaker 12: freedom to incite violence. So I do think it's fair
26:02
Speaker 12: to say when you call them protests that almost sound
26:04
Speaker 12: anodyne generic, But these are not protests, the provocations, These
26:09
Speaker 12: aren't activists the people you showed at the top of
26:11
Speaker 12: the at the top of the show, those are antagonists
26:14
Speaker 12: with masked faces going to kill the Jews and kill
26:17
Speaker 12: the Zionists and worse.
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Speaker 1: So you're right, I hope this Royal.
26:20
Speaker 12: Commission will move past sort of the problem and focus
26:24
Speaker 12: on what's really the cause here, who are the culprits,
26:27
Speaker 12: what is the ideology and what are you going to
26:29
Speaker 12: do to wrestle.
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Speaker 1: It down to the ground.
26:31
Speaker 3: I mean, when you saw those scenes from the United States,
26:34
Speaker 3: because on that night, you know, monuments all around the
26:38
Speaker 3: world were lit up in blue and white and solidarity
26:41
Speaker 3: with his victims who were killed by Hamas. When you
26:44
Speaker 3: saw those scenes, you know that stain on the opera house.
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Speaker 12: It was shocking and it was shocking to see the
26:52
Speaker 12: authorities when one man brought his flag that rather than
26:57
Speaker 12: stop the people who are threatening violence against him, they
26:59
Speaker 12: arrested the Jewish man. That was a stain that left
27:02
Speaker 12: an inelible mark on all of us around the world
27:05
Speaker 12: to watch that. So right now I think Australia is
27:07
Speaker 12: at a pivot point and the question is whether it's
27:09
Speaker 12: Royal Commission will release a set of recommendations that will actually.
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Speaker 1: Address the issue or will it sweep it under the rug.
27:17
Speaker 12: And once you have those recommendations, does the government have
27:20
Speaker 12: the courage to implement them? And that's what I think
27:23
Speaker 12: we want to see to ensure that the government and
27:26
Speaker 12: the country you know, is held accountable.
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Speaker 1: That's what we would expect.
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Speaker 3: I do have confidence that the Role Commission will achieve
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Speaker 3: something good. But what I'm not confident about is the
27:36
Speaker 3: fact that what is underpinning the terror attacks, not just
27:39
Speaker 3: in Australia, but I mean the recent spate we've had
27:42
Speaker 3: is radical Islamism. Is this extremist ideology, the sympathy with
27:47
Speaker 3: ISIS and other terror groups. And you know, how does
27:51
Speaker 3: anyone address that because people can be radicalized so quickly.
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Speaker 12: Well, look, I think something that's important to point out
27:57
Speaker 12: the pro Isis pro Hamas, pro Hasbola, pro e Ian crowd.
28:01
Speaker 12: It's not just anti Semitical, though they are. They don't
28:03
Speaker 12: just want to murder Jews, though they do. They are
28:06
Speaker 12: anti Western, they're anti capitalist, they're anti democratic. Again, it's
28:11
Speaker 12: not just a threat to the Jewish minority. It's a
28:14
Speaker 12: threat to the majority of people in these countries. So again,
28:17
Speaker 12: I think this fight against radical Islam, this is a
28:20
Speaker 12: fight against hate that should concern everyone.
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Speaker 1: Doesn't matter where you pray, or how you vote, or
28:26
Speaker 1: where you're from.
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Speaker 12: It is a danger, a clear and present danger that
28:31
Speaker 12: would again.
28:32
Speaker 1: Touch us all.
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Speaker 3: I mean, your figures show that the United States, at
28:35
Speaker 3: one hundred and thirty one percent I think around that
28:38
Speaker 3: rise in anti Semitism over the past five years, and
28:41
Speaker 3: yet New York City elected Zora and Mamdani. I'm told
28:45
Speaker 3: the Jewish community even voted for him in New York.
28:47
Speaker 3: I don't understand how that happened. You know, how much
28:49
Speaker 3: damage is he now doing?
28:51
Speaker 12: Well, Look, Zoron Mahmdani is indeed incredibly troubling. Let's be clear,
28:57
Speaker 12: we don't know exactly how many Jewish people voted for him.
29:00
Speaker 12: I think his his backers, his partisans have an interestary
29:03
Speaker 12: in exaggerating that number. The reality is, you talk to
29:06
Speaker 12: Jewish New Yorkers today and they are alarmed. Anti Jewish
29:09
Speaker 12: hate crimes are up, anti Jewish attitudes are up in
29:12
Speaker 12: the city with the largest Jewish population of any city
29:14
Speaker 12: in the world outside of the state of Israel. I
29:17
Speaker 12: mean New York is again not just sort of the capital,
29:20
Speaker 12: the commercial couple of our country. It's sort of the
29:22
Speaker 12: Jewish capital, and so it's very worrisome. So again we
29:25
Speaker 12: have a mayor who talks about globalized the Intifada, but.
29:30
Speaker 3: Believable because globalizing the invada is what you saw, is what.
29:33
Speaker 12: We all sawd I walked Bandai Beach today I talked
29:37
Speaker 12: to survivors today.
29:38
Speaker 1: I wrapped to fill in today and I.
29:40
Speaker 12: Saw with my own eyes what globalize the antifada looks like.
29:43
Speaker 12: But as you are alluded to, I've also seen that in
29:45
Speaker 12: New York. I've seen it in London. I've seen it
29:48
Speaker 12: in Paris, I've seen it in Berlin. And none of
29:51
Speaker 12: it is acceptable. And so look, I think all of
29:53
Speaker 12: us need to steal ourselves for this fight, because it
29:56
Speaker 12: is the fight, It's the fight of our lives.
29:57
Speaker 3: Very quickly before we go. I'm also travel by, you know,
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Speaker 3: the rise on the far left of the Democrat Party
30:04
Speaker 3: of anti semitism and then on the far right of
30:06
Speaker 3: the MAGA movement, the likes of Tucker Carlson in his Buddies.
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Speaker 12: Tucker Carlson is offensive. Isn't even the word for it.
30:14
Speaker 12: But what you're pointing out really matters. Anti Semitism is
30:17
Speaker 12: an equal opportunity offender.
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Speaker 1: You've got to address it.
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Speaker 12: No matter what political party it comes from, no matter
30:22
Speaker 12: what ideological was political Islam again, rightly extremism or left
30:26
Speaker 12: wing radicalism.
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Speaker 1: All of it's a threat. All of it needs to
30:29
Speaker 1: be confronted.
30:29
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I'm very worried. I mean, it's fine
30:32
Speaker 3: now under Trump. You know, I suppose you served in that.
30:35
Speaker 3: We've really got to move on, but you served in
30:36
Speaker 3: the Obama White House. Funny thing to say that it's
30:38
Speaker 3: probably the best now under Trump, because if the Democrats
30:41
Speaker 3: get in, you don't know about what that left wing
30:43
Speaker 3: element will do, and you don't know if there's a
30:45
Speaker 3: future president aligned with this MAGA movement as well.
30:47
Speaker 1: All of it could be alarming.
30:48
Speaker 12: That's why, again, it's not a Jewish fight, it's not
30:50
Speaker 12: a Republican it's all of our fight.
30:52
Speaker 3: Yeah, all right, Jonathan, thank you so much for being
30:54
Speaker 3: for We appreciate it.
30:56
Speaker 2: All right.
30:57
Speaker 3: Still to come, the government's property tax changes brushing the economy,
31:01
Speaker 3: and speculation mounts that Karl Stefanovic and Karl Sandalance could
31:05
Speaker 3: be joining forces. Plus Tony Abbott launches a stinging attack
31:09
Speaker 3: on the corruption watchdog. Ray Hadley disagrees, and he'll be
31:13
Speaker 3: here after the break. Thanks for tuning in and joining me.
31:20
Speaker 3: Now is always in a Monday Radio legend, Ray Hadley, Ray,
31:23
Speaker 3: great to see.
31:24
Speaker 1: You, lovely to see you.
31:25
Speaker 2: Now, need to get through I know so much news
31:28
Speaker 2: at the moment. Now I want to start with this
31:30
Speaker 2: Ikat corruption inquiry.
31:32
Speaker 3: Now Tony Abbott has come out and he said that
31:36
Speaker 3: there seems to be a level of incredulity directed against
31:39
Speaker 3: people's Christianity, and he says his main problem is the
31:43
Speaker 3: factional weaponization of what's supposed to be an.
31:46
Speaker 2: Instrument of justice.
31:48
Speaker 3: He said he's surprised the ICAC has allowed itself to
31:51
Speaker 3: be caught up in an internal party squabble.
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Speaker 13: I have the utmost respect for the former Prime Minister
31:57
Speaker 13: of Nanny For over thirty years, I've always thought the
32:00
Speaker 13: he in the main was a good decent man. But
32:03
Speaker 13: he thinks this is about an Interney internal parties squabble,
32:07
Speaker 13: He's way off target. He's also suggesting because of this
32:11
Speaker 13: Christianity factor, it's inescapable that a number of the main
32:15
Speaker 13: proponents of this deal with Nasif, who's a thief hiding
32:18
Speaker 13: in Lebanon, went to the same college, Redfield College in
32:22
Speaker 13: Durall in Sydney Northwest, which is an Aposti college now
32:26
Speaker 13: and they have a role to play, and it's good college.
32:29
Speaker 1: I know plenty of people who went there.
32:30
Speaker 13: But it is a coincidence that some of the proponents
32:34
Speaker 13: of this attempt to garner money from this thief Nasif,
32:38
Speaker 13: and then hand it around to try and get counsels
32:41
Speaker 13: out and get their people in, as they tried to
32:43
Speaker 13: with Susan Lee in the southern part of the state.
32:46
Speaker 13: I just remind Tony Abbott of this, right, because I've
32:49
Speaker 13: lived this for ten years. As you know, I was
32:51
Speaker 13: the first one to identify Nasif as a thief.
32:54
Speaker 2: Now Suji, and he sued you just right, yeah.
32:59
Speaker 1: And he didn't win anyway.
33:01
Speaker 13: We have tens of thousands of young people and older
33:04
Speaker 13: people living in defective apartments and that was done by
33:09
Speaker 13: Nacif with the help allegedly of Liberal Party operatives. We
33:14
Speaker 13: have tradesmen who are owed millions of dollars, plumbers, electricians, tilers,
33:21
Speaker 13: really hard working, decent people, while Narcif is swanning it
33:25
Speaker 13: in Lebanon with money that he no doubt channeled out
33:28
Speaker 13: of the country before you know, he absconded. And for
33:32
Speaker 13: Tony Abbott to suggest this is all about some sort
33:35
Speaker 13: of squabble, he's not reading it right, He's not reading
33:38
Speaker 13: the room. And those people who have admired you for
33:40
Speaker 13: a long time, Toney for standing up for those sort
33:43
Speaker 13: of people workers and you know, aspirational Australians wo want
33:47
Speaker 13: to have their own property. They'd be wringing their hands
33:50
Speaker 13: in frustration that you should say, oh, nothing to see here.
33:53
Speaker 1: It's an internal.
33:54
Speaker 13: Liberal Party squabble. It's not Eventually some people will go
33:59
Speaker 13: to jail. I have no doubt there's already one person
34:02
Speaker 13: who broke the law by disclosing a secret ICAC meeting
34:07
Speaker 13: to other people. Now that's punishable by twelve months in jail.
34:10
Speaker 3: That's funny how that never applies to the leaks though,
34:14
Speaker 3: well exactly, but that idially So, I just think mister Rabbit,
34:18
Speaker 3: I've disagreed with him, and there's one matter that I
34:20
Speaker 3: disagree with him himidly at the moment, But I've disagree
34:23
Speaker 3: with him on a number of fronts.
34:24
Speaker 13: But I've admired him. And yet it's good to disagree
34:27
Speaker 13: with people because I'm not always right.
34:29
Speaker 1: He's not always right.
34:29
Speaker 13: But in this particular case, as the president of the
34:32
Speaker 13: federal Federal Liberal Party, to pull this card out and
34:36
Speaker 13: say it's about not liking people from right wing Christian groups,
34:40
Speaker 13: not liking people, it's about people accepting money from someone
34:44
Speaker 13: they shouldn't have taken money from.
34:46
Speaker 3: Allegedly, Yeah, just a reminder, these are all allegations and
34:49
Speaker 3: the ICACA is conducting hearings. At the moment, no one's
34:52
Speaker 3: been charged. I want to turn to the economy. I mean,
34:54
Speaker 3: you know, home values plummeting to their lowest level since
34:57
Speaker 3: twenty twenty two during the midst of the a global pandemic,
35:02
Speaker 3: and the clearance rates.
35:03
Speaker 2: I mean, we talk about this every week.
35:05
Speaker 3: Great because we're on on a Monday after the weekend
35:08
Speaker 3: and just no properties not selling at the moment, the
35:12
Speaker 3: government has ruined the property market and the economy.
35:16
Speaker 13: Well five people have gone into printing the Daily Telegraph
35:19
Speaker 13: to enunciate this. And we're talking about people involved in
35:22
Speaker 13: real estate. We're talking about people involved in finance, and
35:24
Speaker 13: they say, yes, increasing interest rates are playing a role,
35:27
Speaker 13: but the most significant thing that's happened is capital gains
35:30
Speaker 13: tack and negative gearing. And because the government, and we've
35:33
Speaker 13: spoken about it before, installed this five percent deposit scheme,
35:37
Speaker 13: it means that there are many people young and old
35:39
Speaker 13: who bought apartments and houses now who are in negative equity.
35:43
Speaker 13: In other words, they paid a million dollars in Sydney
35:46
Speaker 13: or eight hundred thousand in Queensland for a home and
35:49
Speaker 13: they owe nine hundred and twenty five thousand in New
35:53
Speaker 13: South Wales and the place is now worth eight hundred
35:55
Speaker 13: and seventy five thousand.
35:57
Speaker 2: So if they sold, I mean, they'd be at a loss.
35:59
Speaker 13: Well, they wouldn't meet a loss because the government has
36:02
Speaker 13: guaranteed the losses to the building, to the banks.
36:05
Speaker 2: Well, but beyond the deposit, they'd still be at a lie.
36:08
Speaker 13: Well they've got to go and find somewhere else to
36:09
Speaker 13: live with poor people. Yeah, I mean, and I'm sick
36:13
Speaker 13: of the Treasurer and the Prime Minister not accepting responsibility
36:16
Speaker 13: and blindly going on with this. And of course they
36:19
Speaker 13: got it through because the Greens acquiesced to a request
36:22
Speaker 13: and they've made other changes to the NDS. And this
36:26
Speaker 13: is Anthony Albernesi who told another ball face lie when
36:29
Speaker 13: he said I won't deal with the Greens on these issues. Well,
36:32
Speaker 13: of course he will. And that's the other frustrating part.
36:35
Speaker 13: I noticed that paul En Hanson had said these Isis
36:38
Speaker 13: men returning. We've got to stop them. They're very bad people.
36:41
Speaker 13: And she wrote to Angus Taylor. He came out in
36:46
Speaker 13: the papers and said, yes, I agree, but he hasn't
36:48
Speaker 13: responded to her formerly, I mean it's not a coalition,
36:53
Speaker 13: it's just like minded people saying these blokes should not
36:55
Speaker 13: be here. Whether they can get it through parliament's another matter.
36:58
Speaker 13: But angus, pull your finger please.
37:01
Speaker 3: This is one important issue to work with Pauline on
37:04
Speaker 3: stopping the return on the ice as fighters, that's for sure.
37:06
Speaker 3: Just to end on a totally different topic, Ray, I
37:09
Speaker 3: mean used to go kind of up against both Kyl
37:13
Speaker 3: Stepanovick and Kyle sound Lands. They both got sacked from
37:18
Speaker 3: their respective jobs.
37:19
Speaker 1: I know how they feel.
37:20
Speaker 13: I got sacked in two thousand to you, he sacked me. Yeah,
37:25
Speaker 13: that's how I went to GB So I feel their pain.
37:27
Speaker 13: I was about their age back then when it happened too.
37:30
Speaker 13: But look, one of the things that and I like
37:32
Speaker 13: both the blacks. I know Carl better than I know Kyle.
37:36
Speaker 13: But you know, they're starting this new thing and they
37:39
Speaker 13: I think it's hard to remember they went on each other,
37:41
Speaker 13: Karl and Kyle went the podcast and then Kyle starting
37:44
Speaker 13: a new one on Monday. They'll rely heavily on subscriptions
37:48
Speaker 13: because they're both painted by this group known as the
37:51
Speaker 13: Mad Witches. There's a rather unpleasant expression in relation to
37:54
Speaker 13: the Mad Witches.
37:54
Speaker 1: But they're very powerful group. They're very very powerful.
37:57
Speaker 13: So they'll really struggle to get advertisers, both of them,
38:01
Speaker 13: because they're being targeted by these people, and so I
38:05
Speaker 13: rely upon subscriptions. Look, I wish them the best of.
38:07
Speaker 1: Black, both of them.
38:10
Speaker 13: I think it's going to be a very hard job
38:12
Speaker 13: because they've been back, as I've mentioned year before, in
38:15
Speaker 13: Kyle's case, by a large media organization arn before that
38:19
Speaker 13: Southern Cross, and in Carl's case, he's been backed by
38:22
Speaker 13: Channel nine.
38:23
Speaker 1: And now they don't have that support.
38:25
Speaker 3: I mean, to make the millions of dollars that they
38:27
Speaker 3: were earning from subscription is going to be a very
38:30
Speaker 3: difficult prospect.
38:31
Speaker 13: When you've only got twenty six medion. We're not the
38:33
Speaker 13: United States of America or Europe. I mean, it's very
38:36
Speaker 13: hard to get a quit out of a podcasts and
38:38
Speaker 13: the rest of it in this country, particularly without advertising support.
38:42
Speaker 2: Yeah right, thank you so much. My favorite hour of
38:45
Speaker 2: the week.
38:45
Speaker 13: We have a bit of fun, don't we.
38:46
Speaker 2: I will see you next one day. All the best,
38:48
Speaker 2: by all right, Stewart to come.
38:51
Speaker 3: Donald Trump threatened the biggest attack in Iran since World
38:54
Speaker 3: War Two, but called it off. Plus, why the US
38:57
Speaker 3: government is worried about bad actors getting whole of their
39:00
Speaker 3: top AI that's worth Russell Pilma after the break welcome
39:08
Speaker 3: back with the US government has been highly concerned about
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Speaker 3: Anthropic's powerful new AI models Mythos five and Fable five
39:17
Speaker 3: from being exploited by bad actors such as hostile foreign nationals,
39:22
Speaker 3: and the government even banned every foreign national from accessing
39:26
Speaker 3: these powerful new AI models back in June, and they
39:29
Speaker 3: only lifted this fairly recently when the company developed national
39:33
Speaker 3: security safeguards. Joining me to discuss is Pengana Capital Chief
39:38
Speaker 3: executive Russell Pilmer russ.
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Speaker 2: Great to see you again. So what's the national security
39:42
Speaker 2: concern around AI?
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Speaker 4: So these models are extremely powerful and what they're particularly
39:48
Speaker 4: good at doing is breaking codes. So Mythos is really
39:55
Speaker 4: good at breaking into computers. And there was a real
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Speaker 4: scare that if Mythos is available to bad actors, basically
40:03
Speaker 4: every or almost every computer in the world could be
40:06
Speaker 4: vulnerable to break in. So what the US government did
40:08
Speaker 4: is they said you're not allowed to expire or export it.
40:13
Speaker 4: They did subsequently after a few weeks allow Fable, which
40:17
Speaker 4: is a watered down version of Mythos to be exported,
40:20
Speaker 4: but Mythos is still quite tightly held that it's an issue,
40:25
Speaker 4: but not nearly as as big an issue as what
40:29
Speaker 4: is about to come. And the reason for this is
40:32
Speaker 4: that these ar models are getting more and more powerful
40:35
Speaker 4: every year. In fact, it's estimated that they doubled in
40:39
Speaker 4: power every year. So and if you think about the
40:42
Speaker 4: maths of that next year that twice is powerful, the
40:45
Speaker 4: next year four times, the next year eight times, etc.
40:48
Speaker 4: In five years there'll be thirty times as powerful as
40:51
Speaker 4: they are today. So if the government's worried about today's models,
40:56
Speaker 4: they should be frantic about what the models will look
40:59
Speaker 4: like in the future.
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Speaker 3: I wonder if the US government is already using them
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Speaker 3: in warfare against Iran. If not, they probably should be,
41:06
Speaker 3: that's for sure.
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Speaker 4: I'm sure they are using all these models and all.
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Speaker 3: The capabilities, especially given the comments by JP Morgan chief
41:14
Speaker 3: executive Jamie Diamond.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, well, Jamie Diamond made an interesting comment. He was
41:19
Speaker 4: one of those people that had actually looked at the
41:21
Speaker 4: inside of Mythos. There's certain people who had inside access,
41:26
Speaker 4: and he made the comments that it's so powerful it's
41:29
Speaker 4: akin to giving individuals access to ballistic missiles. So, I
41:34
Speaker 4: guess is obviously overstating the point, but just that these
41:38
Speaker 4: are really powerful things and they shouldn't fall.
41:40
Speaker 3: Into the wrong hands, the wrong hands like hostile foreign
41:42
Speaker 3: nations Iran, Russia, China, etc. Now Elon Musk made headlines
41:46
Speaker 3: recently when he spoke about money becoming meaningless under AI.
41:50
Speaker 3: He was speaking about the age of abundance and products
41:53
Speaker 3: becoming cheaper. But how does this actually work, and especially
41:58
Speaker 3: the timeframe ten years?
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Speaker 4: Yeah, So I think Elon Musk always overstates things. He
42:04
Speaker 4: gets the headlines, and sometimes he does it because it's
42:06
Speaker 4: good for his businesses. So he owns one of the
42:09
Speaker 4: largest robotics companies in the World's actually part of Tesla.
42:13
Speaker 4: In fact, a lot of people don't know this, but
42:15
Speaker 4: Tesla is more a robotics company today than it is
42:18
Speaker 4: a calm manufacturer. So the theory behind this is that
42:23
Speaker 4: if you have unlimited manpower and unlimited brain power, you
42:27
Speaker 4: put the two together, you have an ability to create really,
42:31
Speaker 4: really cheap goods and services. And in the world today,
42:36
Speaker 4: with robotics and robots, you've got all the manpower you need.
42:40
Speaker 4: Elon Musk reckons that within five years there could be
42:42
Speaker 4: up to a billion robots operational in the world.
42:46
Speaker 2: Did everyone will have their own personal.
42:47
Speaker 4: Everyone will have their own personal one. But these robots
42:51
Speaker 4: are amazingly smart. They obviously amazingly are strong, they're all
42:54
Speaker 4: AI enabled, and they don't need to rest, you can
42:57
Speaker 4: take them. They don't need to eat, to drink, and
43:01
Speaker 4: so they can work twenty four to seven to the
43:03
Speaker 4: types of jobs that humans just can't do. So this
43:06
Speaker 4: could create an age of abundance. If you think about
43:08
Speaker 4: this in the agricultural industry, you know, you could solve
43:12
Speaker 4: world hunger, for instance, with these types of capabilities. So
43:16
Speaker 4: it's really interesting era we live in.
43:19
Speaker 2: Super quickly before we go.
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Speaker 3: There's been a lot of discussion about the space X
43:23
Speaker 3: stock falling sent its IPO price or why do you
43:27
Speaker 3: think this is?
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Speaker 1: So?
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Speaker 4: I think markets very often overreact on the upside and
43:32
Speaker 4: overreact on the downside. So I don't think SpaceX as
43:35
Speaker 4: a company really has its inherent value hasn't changed since
43:40
Speaker 4: it had listed, but the market got super excited on
43:43
Speaker 4: the listing and bid it up way too much, and
43:46
Speaker 4: then people started to get panicked and it's too high
43:49
Speaker 4: and then start selling and probably it's down below where
43:53
Speaker 4: it should be at the moment.
43:54
Speaker 1: Now.
43:54
Speaker 4: SpaceX is an interesting company because it's got great value potential,
43:59
Speaker 4: but their value potential is actually quite long term, so
44:03
Speaker 4: you're not seeing the results straight away, so you have
44:05
Speaker 4: to have a little bit of imagination for a very
44:07
Speaker 4: long Yeah, it's a long hold. So I think people
44:10
Speaker 4: should be buying these things in moderation and really putting
44:13
Speaker 4: their heads down and holding for the long term, provided
44:16
Speaker 4: the underlying company doesn't change too much in what it's
44:20
Speaker 4: steeing in its prospects.
44:21
Speaker 2: Interesting. Thank you so much, US appreciate it.
44:23
Speaker 1: Great to see you.
44:25
Speaker 2: All right, still to come.
44:26
Speaker 3: Donald Trump has backed off from further strikes in i
44:29
Speaker 3: Ran after threatening to launch the biggest attack since World
44:31
Speaker 3: War Two.
44:32
Speaker 2: Plus RFK Junior.
44:34
Speaker 3: Loses his call on live TV at the CNN That's
44:38
Speaker 3: next or US President Donald Trump called off a massive
44:46
Speaker 3: attack on Iran after several US allies in the golf
44:49
Speaker 3: appealed to him to.
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Speaker 2: Stand down and make a deal.
44:53
Speaker 3: He seems confident that a resolution will come through.
44:56
Speaker 1: I think there's a deal.
44:58
Speaker 10: There's a deal on promo, and then it will be
45:01
Speaker 10: a deal on the nuclear or you might call it
45:03
Speaker 10: the denuclearization of her.
45:06
Speaker 8: I call it the de nuclearization of thern and.
45:09
Speaker 3: News twenty four contributed Koshigat It joins me. Now, I think, Koisha,
45:13
Speaker 3: it's so high to believe that there'll be a deal.
45:15
Speaker 2: What's the lightest.
45:17
Speaker 4: You know?
45:17
Speaker 9: I was counting. It's been five months shari since the
45:21
Speaker 9: strikes were launched on February twenty eighth, and I think
45:23
Speaker 9: this is the fifth cycle, this rinse and repeat cycle
45:26
Speaker 9: of threats, military action, more escalatory threats, some sort of
45:30
Speaker 9: very fragilecies, fire and hopes of a deal, and then
45:33
Speaker 9: back we are again. The only thing I would say
45:35
Speaker 9: is that when the nations in the region, the Gulf States,
45:39
Speaker 9: Israel and Iran have more skin in the game, are
45:42
Speaker 9: the ones at the table, at the negotiating table actually
45:44
Speaker 9: getting into the details. It feels like there'll be a
45:46
Speaker 9: little bit of a higher chance of something happening because
45:49
Speaker 9: it's in their backyard. It's very approximate to them versus
45:51
Speaker 9: when the US is trying to do it from Afar.
45:54
Speaker 9: So hopefully this is happening. I know it was precipitated
45:57
Speaker 9: by more escalatory rhetoric from Iran that they're going to
46:01
Speaker 9: attack Saudi Arabia's oil production facilities vice versa. The US
46:05
Speaker 9: reportedly attacked or back channel that they would attack energy
46:08
Speaker 9: production facilities in Iran. So that kind of rhetoric makes
46:11
Speaker 9: everybody scared, of course, but sometimes it can be helpful
46:14
Speaker 9: to get people to the table and get them to
46:16
Speaker 9: make concessions on both sides and try to put some
46:18
Speaker 9: sort of stability in place, as fragile as it may be.
46:21
Speaker 3: Although Trump makes those threats so often, I don't know
46:24
Speaker 3: if Iran's believing him anymore. But anyway, I want to
46:28
Speaker 3: move on to Robert F. K Junior, Trump's a Human
46:32
Speaker 3: Services secretary. He lost his call. There was a bit
46:34
Speaker 3: of a fiery clash with CNN reporter Dana Bash.
46:38
Speaker 2: Have a look, talk.
46:39
Speaker 11: About something that you have no personal knowledge of.
46:42
Speaker 2: Okay, well, guess what. That is my job to talk
46:46
Speaker 2: to people? Your job American?
46:48
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, And my job is get my information as
46:52
Speaker 3: I can what I were doing.
46:54
Speaker 14: What we were doing for skeptics, what we were doing
46:58
Speaker 14: in and it went on Kosher this he was saying
47:02
Speaker 14: they failed to challenge public health authorities during the pandemic.
47:07
Speaker 9: You know, whenever people are talking past each other, maybe
47:09
Speaker 9: it doesn't make for the best television for the audience,
47:12
Speaker 9: but the big picture, I would say, good for him.
47:14
Speaker 9: You really can't go wrong on this dimension. There was
47:17
Speaker 9: derolection of duty up and down all political and power structures,
47:22
Speaker 9: I should say, including the media, official government channels. You
47:25
Speaker 9: know this better than anybody, And we haven't really had
47:27
Speaker 9: full accountability. We never made We've chipped around the edges
47:30
Speaker 9: a little bit, and you've got to keep doing that.
47:32
Speaker 9: So whenever these combative discussions take place, I think you
47:36
Speaker 9: do inch a little bit closer to some sort of reckoning.
47:39
Speaker 9: The press did play a big role. RFT Junior himself
47:42
Speaker 9: was really in the crosshairs for them. He was completely
47:45
Speaker 9: deep platformed from all of social media. Other outlets like
47:48
Speaker 9: CNN and others completely were very negative and critical of
47:52
Speaker 9: his positions. And I think the record shows that he
47:54
Speaker 9: was not all wrong and at least wanting to have
47:57
Speaker 9: some sort of descent out there. And I think she
47:59
Speaker 9: was trying to go micro that what would you do
48:01
Speaker 9: for future pandemic practical steps, and he was trying to
48:03
Speaker 9: go macro, which is that maintaining our civil liberties, allowing
48:07
Speaker 9: dissenting opinions, being very skeptical of authority figures are good things,
48:11
Speaker 9: and you should not let a pandemic in the future
48:13
Speaker 9: squash them. And I think we all saw what happens
48:15
Speaker 9: when they do.
48:17
Speaker 3: Yeah, and broadly, CNN, along with most of the left media,
48:21
Speaker 3: was a total embarrassment during the pandemic.
48:24
Speaker 2: Just finally kosher. Look.
48:25
Speaker 3: Trump was criticized for playing golf in the middle of
48:28
Speaker 3: the Iranian War, I mean the Iranian Wars. He said,
48:30
Speaker 3: it's gone on for five months. He's not mean to
48:32
Speaker 3: play golf for five months. But then anyway, he actually
48:35
Speaker 3: shut down his critics when he scored an impressive seventy.
48:41
Speaker 9: Yes, he will always be criticized, and this has been
48:44
Speaker 9: a long trend. People used to criticize Ronald Reagan for
48:46
Speaker 9: sleeping too much, and on and on it goes. For
48:48
Speaker 9: what they do. He has been pushing back against critics,
48:53
Speaker 9: saying that he probably couldn't even finish his eighteen holes
48:55
Speaker 9: and his general health and mental and physical levels of vigor.
48:59
Speaker 9: And I think, you know, whenever he does well. He
49:02
Speaker 9: was I think seventy two below par. He's not going
49:04
Speaker 9: to let that one slide. So he definitely stuck it
49:05
Speaker 9: back to them.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, he did well. All right kosher.
49:08
Speaker 3: Great to see you as always, and thanks for your
49:11
Speaker 3: company tonight. I'll see you at eight o'clock tomorrow.
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Speaker 2: And here's Paul Maray