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What is Considered Racsim · Chuck Douglas

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  Speaker 1: 24 minutes away at the top of the hour for
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  Speaker 1: the top of the power hour.
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  Speaker 2: Chuck Douglas on 610 WTV and the number 829-886-821-WTV. And
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  Speaker 2: big thanks to Senator Husted for giving us about 20
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  Speaker 2: minutes there in the first half hour. I always appreciate
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  Speaker 2: him when he makes himself available. I just got a
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  Speaker 2: couple of different things here. One is a gift card.
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  Speaker 2: That's a good deal. That's a good deal. We just
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  Speaker 2: had Rusty Bucket in the studio last week. And just
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  Speaker 2: got a thing here for a discounted... Gift cards for
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  Speaker 2: Rusty Bucket. Maybe I'll get that for Blazer for Christmas.
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  Speaker 2: I'm already thinking about that. Also, Buckeye Firearms. They've been
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  Speaker 2: raffling a lot lately at Buckeye Firearms, and they've got
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  Speaker 2: a new one, 1,000 tickets.
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  Speaker 3: They're $ 25 a piece, but this is a very, very
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  Speaker 3: nice package.
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  Speaker 2: And they've already sold 200 of the 1,000 tickets, so
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  Speaker 2: those will probably be going quickly too. So if you're
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  Speaker 2: a member, get on the website. If you're not a member,
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  Speaker 2: you can still get on the website. Just have to
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  Speaker 2: be legal in 21 years of age.
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  Speaker 3: All right. So here's the deal.
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  Speaker 2: Last night, I bought something for someone off the Facebook,
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  Speaker 2: the marketplace. And I went to the home to pick
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  Speaker 2: it up. The woman who was selling it was not
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  Speaker 2: from here. I'm not going to say where she was
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  Speaker 2: from because I don't want to like single her out.
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  Speaker 2: Somebody may know her house. Her house is for sale.
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  Speaker 2: It's a very, very, very nice house. I mean, we're
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  Speaker 2: talking approaching seven digits.
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  Speaker 3: Nice house.
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  Speaker 2: She is of a particular ethnic derivation. And I noticed
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  Speaker 2: the Realtor sign, because at first I was jealous.
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  Speaker 3: I'm like, man, I wish I'd have had this listing.
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  Speaker 2: The Realtor on the sign, the name indicates that they
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  Speaker 2: are also of that same Am I making sense? You
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  Speaker 2: get what I'm saying so far?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, you're saying there's some people here who are selling
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  Speaker 4: stuff and they're from they're from Obitz.
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  Speaker 3: Obitz? Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: OK, so you know, I totally get what you're saying.
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  Speaker 2: You could tell that, you know, and and I'm thinking, OK, well,
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  Speaker 2: she obviously picked this agent because that that ethnicity bond there,
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  Speaker 2: she wanted to have somebody. And I was thinking about it.
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  Speaker 2: I was like, even if I would have known about
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  Speaker 2: her wanting to sell, she wouldn't have picked me no
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  Speaker 2: matter how good of an impression I might have made
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  Speaker 2: because I'm not of that group. And this is how
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  Speaker 2: I am. I talk to myself when I'm driving. I'm like,
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  Speaker 2: so would you be mad about that? And I had
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  Speaker 2: to answer honestly, no, I don't think I would be.
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  Speaker 2: Because people have a comfort level. And it's, you know,
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  Speaker 2: it's not white people, black people.
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  Speaker 3: It's all people.
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  Speaker 2: They have a comfort level. And I don't think that
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  Speaker 2: should be a bad thing. But then I continued to
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  Speaker 2: think about it. I guarantee you that there would be
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  Speaker 2: some people, even those in my line of work as realtors,
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  Speaker 2: who would, that's racist. Why did she pick that agent? Well,
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  Speaker 2: because it was her preference. She's trusting someone with one
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  Speaker 2: of the biggest things she's going to do in her life,
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  Speaker 2: which is selling this fabulous property she has. And just
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  Speaker 2: like You know, there are people who their religious beliefs
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  Speaker 2: say you have to marry someone of your religion. That's
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  Speaker 2: not an ist of any kind. They they don't want
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  Speaker 2: you marrying outside of the religion. That's what your family is.
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  Speaker 2: And that I don't see a problem with that. And
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  Speaker 2: even if it is about skin, if there's a white
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  Speaker 2: family that just don't bring home anybody who's not white.
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  Speaker 2: Black family says you better not bring home some white man.
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  Speaker 1: It.
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  Speaker 2: So, that's personal preference. I don't consider that racism. I
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  Speaker 2: understand out here in the world, dealing with the job
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  Speaker 2: and the government and all that crap, you.
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  Speaker 3: Have to play by their rules.
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  Speaker 2: But in your own world, your own family, your own
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  Speaker 2: personal business decisions, they're your rules. And I don't see
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  Speaker 2: anything wrong with it. You know, if I would have
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  Speaker 2: told my daughter, don't you bring a Canadian in this house, that's, hey,
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  Speaker 2: that's my family, my way, my rules. I really never cared.
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  Speaker 2: But she never, she never surprised me, I'll put it
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  Speaker 2: that way, with any of the male humans in her
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  Speaker 2: life that I met. And that's not necessarily a good statement. It's,
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  Speaker 2: I just– I wouldn't have had a problem. Now, I
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  Speaker 2: want to ask you. I've laid this situation out for
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  Speaker 2: you because there's a significant difference in our age. Am
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  Speaker 2: I seeing things through the eyes of an old dude
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  Speaker 2: or am I making sense even to your younger mind?
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  Speaker 4: No, it makes sense, especially if it's a realtor thing
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  Speaker 4: or anything of that nature. Well, they're– pick this person
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  Speaker 4: because of their ethnicity. Do you really want to work
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  Speaker 4: for them if they hate you or is it just
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  Speaker 4: you're just trying to make money off them? It shouldn't
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  Speaker 4: be a problem if it doesn't– if they're not doing
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  Speaker 4: anything to hurt anybody, it's none of your business anyway.
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  Speaker 2: And I've turned down business before too. You go do
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  Speaker 2: the listing appointment or whatever. You meet the client.
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  Speaker 3: You look at the house.
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  Speaker 2: And I've had– one time in particular just really threw
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  Speaker 2: me off. Just a hillbilly guy selling his house. And
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  Speaker 2: he informed me who he didn't want to buy his house. Oh.
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  Speaker 2: And I said, well, you know, I appreciate your time tonight. Unfortunately,
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  Speaker 2: we're not going to be able to work together.
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  Speaker 3: And he said, well, why not? I said, what you
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  Speaker 3: just said is not legal.
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  Speaker 4: Did you– a question. Did he know you were black?
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  Speaker 4: Or did he think you were– I doubt it.
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  Speaker 3: Okay.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 3: I doubt it.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Because most of those guys aren't going to be like,
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  Speaker 4: I hate your kind to your face most.
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  Speaker 2: Of the time. What he didn't want was an ethnicity
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  Speaker 2: in his house. And when he said that out loud
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  Speaker 2: in front of me, even if I didn't have the
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  Speaker 2: moral compass, I have the legal obligation to inform him.
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  Speaker 2: You're talking about a protected class of people.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 3: You can't do that.
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  Speaker 2: And now that you've said that in front of me, honestly,
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  Speaker 2: I don't want to list your house. And he actually
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  Speaker 2: called my broker at the time and wanted to complain
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  Speaker 2: about me.
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  Speaker 5: How'd that work out for him? Didn't work out too well?
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  Speaker 2: I got called in and asked, was this accurate? I said, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: that's exactly accurate. And my boss said, I'm proud of you.
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  Speaker 3: Good. And that was the end of that.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: But I don't see any problem with this kind of thing.
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  Speaker 3: Not in your personal dealings. But I, again, I.
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  Speaker 2: Know how people are today, especially if they think they
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  Speaker 2: can make some money. They will accuse you of doing
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  Speaker 2: this kind of stuff. Years ago when I was working
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  Speaker 2: at one of the music radio stations, and they called
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  Speaker 2: it Urban. It was a station program for black listeners
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  Speaker 2: is what it was.
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  Speaker 3: And a.
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  Speaker 2: Black celebrity was coming to town. And he was doing
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  Speaker 2: kind of a, I don't want to say too much
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  Speaker 2: about that because you'll know who I'm talking about. He,
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  Speaker 2: something service oriented, if you will. that helps people. And
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  Speaker 2: he was there to promote it, which was great. And
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  Speaker 2: they wanted him, he wanted to be on in the evening. And, uh,
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  Speaker 2: cause he had that kind of image where the evening audience,
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  Speaker 2: quite frankly, would have been more responsive. But our, our
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  Speaker 2: evening guy was a white guy and he wouldn't, he
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  Speaker 2: wouldn't do the interview with him. I remember flying off
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  Speaker 2: the handle. I got, I wasn't even in charge of anything,
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  Speaker 2: but I was angry.
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  Speaker 5: The famous guy wasn't Eminem, was he?
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  Speaker 2: No.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, OK. No.
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  Speaker 2: But I got very upset that he would not. He
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  Speaker 2: just made it very clear. I won't do an interview
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  Speaker 2: with anyone unless they're black.
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  Speaker 4: Wow.
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  Speaker 1: And.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I got I got a little mad because the
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  Speaker 2: management at the radio station. Went to bend a knee
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  Speaker 2: and gave him what he wanted. And it really bugged me.
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  Speaker 2: I'm like, how can we talk about unity and harmony
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  Speaker 2: and all that crap when you let somebody come in
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  Speaker 2: and make that kind of demand and you allow it?
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  Speaker 3: That was 30 years ago.
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  Speaker 5: I was going to say, you don't have to name names.
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  Speaker 5: Was he a big name?
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  Speaker 1: Yes.
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  Speaker 3: Major. Major name.
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  Speaker 2: And he was doing a good thing. But back then,
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  Speaker 2: I was just livid. that he would say such a thing,
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  Speaker 2: demand such a thing, and be granted it. Here we
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  Speaker 2: are 30 years later, and I think I've changed my mind.
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  Speaker 2: He decided that he wanted to help somebody by giving
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  Speaker 2: them this interview, and he wanted it to be a
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  Speaker 2: black member of the air staff. Because the interview with
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  Speaker 2: him was, you know, that's a feather in your cap,
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  Speaker 2: as they used to say. And so as I'm thinking,
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  Speaker 2: I'm like, okay, 30 years later, I'm not nearly as
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  Speaker 2: mad as I was back then.
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  Speaker 3: I was much more idealistic back then. Right is right.
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  Speaker 3: Wrong is wrong. No gray area.
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  Speaker 2: As you grow older, you understand the concept of gray area.
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  Speaker 2: You change a little bit. And I don't even know
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  Speaker 2: if he's still alive. I'll tell you off the air
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  Speaker 2: who it was. But in fact, a few years later,
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  Speaker 2: I had a call from a friend.
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  Speaker 5: Wolfman Jack.
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  Speaker 2: It was not the Wolfman, no. He was in town
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  Speaker 2: again doing something else, and a friend of mine called
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  Speaker 2: and asked if I would join them for dinner up
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  Speaker 2: here on Grandview Avenue.
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  Speaker 3: And I said, no thanks.
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  Speaker 5: That was surprising.
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  Speaker 3: Again, right, wrong, no gray area. That's how I was.
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  Speaker 2: It was just a few years after I had initially
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  Speaker 2: become angry at him that I was invited to come
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  Speaker 2: up here and have dinner. And I just– no, I
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  Speaker 2: didn't even want to sit down at a table with
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  Speaker 2: this guy. I will not fake– I'm not– I can't
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  Speaker 2: do that.
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  Speaker 3: Hey, how you doing?
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  Speaker 2: The whole time I'm thinking I would love to rip
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  Speaker 2: your spleen out right now. I'm not going to smile
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  Speaker 2: in your face and shake your hand and play like
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  Speaker 2: we're buddies, like we're friends. No, if we're not, we're not.
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  Speaker 2: And I won't– I can't be fake like that. I've
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  Speaker 2: never been good at it. And I'm pretty sure I've
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  Speaker 2: convinced myself that if I tried, whoever I'm being fake
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  Speaker 2: to would see right through it.
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  Speaker 5: You'd be a bad actor at that kind of– Because– Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, they'd see right through me because I just– it's
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  Speaker 2: not in my nature to not say what I mean
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  Speaker 2: and to– tell somebody how great it is to see
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  Speaker 2: them when you can't stand them. It's just so disingenuous.
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  Speaker 2: People do it every day, but so disingenuous. And I
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  Speaker 2: cannot be like that, but I just, anyway, I just
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  Speaker 2: wanted to talk about that a little bit tonight because
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  Speaker 2: I think I, what I'm, I want to stress is
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  Speaker 2: it's okay to, to like, or dislike it. You can't
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  Speaker 2: stop somebody from living where they want to live or,
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  Speaker 2: or getting a job they want.
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  Speaker 3: But you know what?
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  Speaker 2: If, uh, if you want to sit on your porch
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  Speaker 2: at night and, uh, you know, watch the sun go
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  Speaker 2: down and decide you don't like one-legged fat people with
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  Speaker 2: bald heads, well, that's your right. You can't get in
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  Speaker 2: their way. You can't interfere with their life. But if
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  Speaker 2: you don't want to like them, you don't have to
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  Speaker 2: like them. Or maybe you don't dislike them. You just
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  Speaker 2: don't want them marrying into your family. I don't think
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  Speaker 2: there's a problem with that. And I want people to
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  Speaker 2: kind of free their minds. If anything, just I'm not
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  Speaker 2: talking about exposing hate or encouraging violence or anything like that.
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  Speaker 2: But just don't be disingenuous to yourself. That's how those
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  Speaker 2: two things come together in the conclusion here. Don't fake
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  Speaker 2: yourself out and say, oh, you like these people. They're
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  Speaker 2: fine people. If you don't believe it, Don't force yourself
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  Speaker 2: to act like that.
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  Speaker 5: And you're lying to yourself.
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  Speaker 4: You're almost manipulating your own self or forcing yourself to act.
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  Speaker 5: That could drive you crazy.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, it can. And you know what?
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  Speaker 2: Shakespeare said it. When did Shakespeare say it? What was it?
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  Speaker 2: 1512 or something like that?
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  Speaker 5: Shakespeare?
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  Speaker 2: 75. 1575?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. Above all else, to thine own self be true, right?
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  Speaker 2: There we go. That should be the way we walk
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  Speaker 2: through life. So to that lady that I met last
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  Speaker 2: night and your, you know, soulmate, agent, best of luck.
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  Speaker 2: I wish I at least spoke your language. Maybe I
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  Speaker 2: could have got that business.
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  Speaker 5: When you went to buy something, was it of good
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  Speaker 5: quality and worth buying?
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  Speaker 3: Oh, absolutely.
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  Speaker 5: Okay, there we go. That's the most important.
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  Speaker 3: Got a great deal. It was, you know, nothing fancy,
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  Speaker 3: but just something I could have used and said, okay.