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The Maxwell Trial Transcripts: Kate Describes Her Relationship With Ghislaine Maxwell (Part 1) (11/10/26) · Beyond The Horizon

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  Speaker 1: What's up everyone and welcome to another episode of the
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  Speaker 1: Epstein Chronicles. In this episode, we're going to take a
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  Speaker 1: look at the transcript from Glenn Maxwell's trial and we're
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  Speaker 1: going to be taking a look at the testimony that
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  Speaker 1: was given by Kate. And I know a lot of
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  Speaker 1: you weren't following the case at that time and didn't
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  Speaker 1: follow the trial. So I think it's a good idea
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  Speaker 1: that you hear directly from the girls who were assaulted
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  Speaker 1: and hurt and abused by Maxwell and Epstein. So with
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  Speaker 1: that said, we're going to jump right into this transcript,
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  Speaker 1: starting with the swearing in of Kate. The court, government
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  Speaker 1: may call its next witness. Miss Pomerantz, for the state,
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  Speaker 1: thank you, your honor. The government calls Kate. The court,
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  Speaker 1: the witness testifying under the pseudonym Kate may come forward. Kate,
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  Speaker 1: called as a witness by the government, having been duly sworn,
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  Speaker 1: testified as follows. The court, you may be seated. We'll
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  Speaker 1: refer to you as Kate. You may remove your mask.
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  Speaker 1: Members of the jury, before we begin the direct, I
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  Speaker 1: have a limiting instruction. You will hear a testimony from
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  Speaker 1: the next witness about interactions that she says that she
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  Speaker 1: had with defendant and Mr. Epstein. I instruct you that
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  Speaker 1: because the witness was over the relevant age of consent
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  Speaker 1: at the relevant time period. Any sexual conduct she says
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  Speaker 1: occurred with Mr. Epstein was not, quote, illegal sexual activity,
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  Speaker 1: end quote, as the government is charged in the indictment.
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  Speaker 1: For that reason, I have directed the government not to
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  Speaker 1: ask this witness about the details of any sexual conduct
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  Speaker 1: she says occurred with Mr. Epstein. I instruct you that
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  Speaker 1: this witness is not a victim of the crimes charged
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  Speaker 1: in the indictment. To the extent you conclude her testimony
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  Speaker 1: is relevant to the issues before you, you may consider it. However,
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  Speaker 1: you may not convict the defendant on basis of the
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  Speaker 1: testimony regarding the sexual conduct between this witness and Mr. Epstein,
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  Speaker 1: nor may you consider this testimony as any kind of
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  Speaker 1: reflection of on Mr. Epstein's nor Ms. Maxwell's character or
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  Speaker 1: propensity to commit any crimes charged in the indictment. Ms. Pomerantz,
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  Speaker 1: you may proceed with your direct examination. Question. Thank you,
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  Speaker 1: Your Honor. Your Honor, in light of the court's order
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  Speaker 1: regarding sketch artists, she gets cut off by the court,
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  Speaker 1: Judge Nathan. Thank you, Ms. Pomerantz. I remind the sketch
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  Speaker 1: artists that witnesses who have I permitted to testify under
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  Speaker 1: a pseudonym shall not have their exact likeness drawn to
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  Speaker 1: protect their anonymity. Thank you, Ms. Pomerantz. You may proceed. Prosecution.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you, Your Honor. Question. Good morning. If you could
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  Speaker 1: pull up the microphone so we can hear you. Answer.
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  Speaker 1: By Kate. That's fine. Question. By the prosecution. Yes. Thank you.
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  Speaker 1: To be clear, are you testifying under the name Kate today? Answer. Yes. Question.
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  Speaker 1: Is Kate your real name? Answer. No. Question. Leading up
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  Speaker 1: to this trial, did you ask to testify under a
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  Speaker 1: pseudonym to protect your privacy? Answer, I did. Question, Kate,
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  Speaker 1: can you take a look? There should be a binder
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  Speaker 1: next to you. Your Honor, at this time, I would
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  Speaker 1: request that the jurors be permitted to take out their
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  Speaker 1: binders and turn to Government Exhibit 16, which is in
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  Speaker 1: evidence under seal. The Court, it's in evidence already. Let
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  Speaker 1: me just confirm. Ms. Pomerantz, thank you, Your Honor. The Court,
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  Speaker 1: without objection. Ms. Sternheim? Bobby Sternheim, without objection. The Court,
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  Speaker 1: members of the jury. You may pick up your binders, please,
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  Speaker 1: the large binders, and turn to GX16, which is in evidence. Kate,
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  Speaker 1: you can pull the microphone closer to you, thank you. Kate,
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  Speaker 1: can you please let me know when you're at Government
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  Speaker 1: Exhibit 16? Answer, yes, I am. Question, do you recognize that? Answer, yes,
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  Speaker 1: I do. Question, what is that? Answer, it's my birth certificate. Question,
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  Speaker 1: is that the name that you were born with? Answer, yes. Question,
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  Speaker 1: your honor. At this time, I would ask just the witness,
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  Speaker 1: not the jurors, to turn to what has been marked
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  Speaker 1: for identification as Government Exhibit 18. Judge Nathan. Members of
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  Speaker 1: the jury, please don't. Why don't you close your binders
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  Speaker 1: for the moment, thank you. The witness may turn, please,
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  Speaker 1: to GX18. Again, members of the jury, please don't go
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  Speaker 1: there yet until the document has been admitted. Question by
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  Speaker 1: the prosecution. Kate, do you recognize that? Answer, yes. Question,
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  Speaker 1: what is that? Answer, it's my driver's license. Question, is
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  Speaker 1: that your current legal name? Answer, yes. Question, Your Honor,
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  Speaker 1: the government offers Government Exhibit 18 under seal. Defense, no objection.
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  Speaker 1: The court, GX18, is admitted under seal, consistent with my
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  Speaker 1: ruling to protect this witness's anonymity. Ms. Pomerantz, do you
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  Speaker 1: wish to publish to the jury? Prosecution, yes, Your Honor.
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  Speaker 1: If we can now publish to the jury, please. Judge Nathan,
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  Speaker 1: members of the jury. You may open your binder and
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  Speaker 1: look at GX18, please. Prosecution. Kate, how far did you
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  Speaker 1: go in school? Judge Nathan, I'll ask the members of
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  Speaker 1: the jury to put their binders away, please. Question. Kate,
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  Speaker 1: how far did you go in school? Answer. I finished
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  Speaker 1: some high school. Question. What kind of work do you
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  Speaker 1: do now? Answer. I work with mainly women who suffer
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  Speaker 1: from trauma and substance use disorder. Question. What kind of
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  Speaker 1: work did you do before that? Answer. I was a
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  Speaker 1: working musician, singer, and songwriter. Question, when you were approximately
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  Speaker 1: 17 years old, where were you living? Answer, I was
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  Speaker 1: living in England, London. Question, what neighborhood in London did
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  Speaker 1: you live in? Answer, Belgravia. Question, who did you live
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  Speaker 1: with at the time? Answer, my mother. Question, what was
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  Speaker 1: your life like at home with your mother at the time? Answer, well,
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  Speaker 1: my mother was having a difficult time and she had
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  Speaker 1: been quite ill. so it was a bit stressful and
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  Speaker 1: I was alone quite a lot. Question, did there come
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  Speaker 1: a time when you met Ghislaine Maxwell? Answer, yes. Question,
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  Speaker 1: how did you meet Maxwell? Answer, I had been dating
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  Speaker 1: a man and we took a trip to Paris and
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  Speaker 1: he introduced me to Ghislaine Maxwell in Paris. Question, approximately
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  Speaker 1: how old were you at the time when you met
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  Speaker 1: Maxwell in Paris? Answer, approximately 17. Question, and approximately what
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  Speaker 1: year were you at 17 years old? Answer, so that
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  Speaker 1: was 94. Question, is that 94? Answer, yes. Question, and
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  Speaker 1: you mentioned that you met her through a friend. About
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  Speaker 1: how old was that friend? Answer, he was about 35. Question,
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  Speaker 1: and what was the nature of your relationship with that friend? Answer,
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  Speaker 1: we were dating. Question, did you speak with Maxwell the
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  Speaker 1: night you met her? Answer, yes. Question, what if anything
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  Speaker 1: did you and Maxwell speak about? Answer, we spoke about, well,
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  Speaker 1: we spoke about the evening and where we were, you know,
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  Speaker 1: where we were headed to out for the evening. And
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  Speaker 1: we spoke about where I lived. We spoke about the
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  Speaker 1: man that I was dating. She was asking me things
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  Speaker 1: about myself. Question, what did Maxwell look like when you
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  Speaker 1: met her? Answer, she was very sophisticated and very elegant.
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  Speaker 1: And she had short, quite short, dark brown hair. She just,
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  Speaker 1: she was very impressive. Question, how old did she seem? Answer,
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  Speaker 1: in her 30s. Prosecution, Ms. Drescher, can we please pull
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  Speaker 1: up what's in evidence as Government Exhibit 115? Question, do
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  Speaker 1: you recognize the person in this photograph? Answer, yes. Question,
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  Speaker 1: who is it? Answer, it's Ghislaine Maxwell. Question, we can
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  Speaker 1: take that down. Ms. Drescher, Your Honor, at this time
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  Speaker 1: I'd like to ask the witness to look at what's
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  Speaker 1: been marked for identification as Government Exhibit 109 in her binder.
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  Speaker 1: The court, okay. The witness may look At GX109, please. Question, Kate.
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  Speaker 1: Are you at Government Exhibit 109? Answer, yes. Question, do
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  Speaker 1: you recognize this? Answer, yes. Question, what is it? Answer,
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  Speaker 1: it's a picture of me. Question, is this a fair
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  Speaker 1: and accurate depiction of your physical appearance around the time
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  Speaker 1: you met Maxwell? Answer, yes. Question, Your Honor, the government
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  Speaker 1: offers Government Exhibit 109 under seal. Bobby Sternum. Glenn Maxwell's lawyer.
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  Speaker 1: No objection. The court, thank you. GX-109 is admitted under seal,
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  Speaker 1: consistent with my ruling regarding pseudonyms. Prosecution. I request the
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  Speaker 1: jurors be permitted to open their binders and turn to
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  Speaker 1: Government Exhibit 109, Your Honor. The court, jurors, you may
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  Speaker 1: look at your binders. Please, please and look at GX-109. Prosecution.
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  Speaker 1: About how old were you at the time this photograph
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  Speaker 1: was taken? Answer. About seventeen. Question, and where was this
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  Speaker 1: photograph taken? Answer, it was in the backyard of our
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  Speaker 1: home where I live with my mother. Question, your honor,
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  Speaker 1: I believe that the jurors can put the binder down now.
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  Speaker 1: Judge Nathan, jurors, you may return your binders to the floor, please.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you. Question, when you and Maxwell were in Paris,
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  Speaker 1: did you and Maxwell stay in touch? Answer, yes. Question,
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  Speaker 1: how did you stay in touch? Answer, well, I gave
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  Speaker 1: her my phone number on a piece of paper and
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  Speaker 1: she called me. Question, where did you give her your
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  Speaker 1: phone number? Answer, in Paris. Question, when was the next
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  Speaker 1: time you saw Maxwell? Answer, a few weeks later. Question,
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  Speaker 1: how did that meeting come about? Answer, she called me
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  Speaker 1: and invited me to go to tea at her house. Question,
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  Speaker 1: did you go to Maxwell's house for tea? Answer, yes. Question,
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  Speaker 1: why did you go to Maxwell's house for tea? Question,
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  Speaker 1: or answer, excuse me. Well, I was quite excited to
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  Speaker 1: be friends with her and she was friends with me
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  Speaker 1: or with the man that I had been dating. And
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  Speaker 1: she seemed very exciting, and she seemed to be everything
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  Speaker 1: that I wanted to be. And she seemed to, she
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  Speaker 1: seemed to like me, so I was excited to go. Question,
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  Speaker 1: can you please describe for the jerry maxwell's house answer
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  Speaker 1: yes her house was like a townhouse with a white
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  Speaker 1: front and a red door do you want me to
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  Speaker 1: describe the inside question why don't we pause there miss
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  Speaker 1: pomerantz miss drescher would you pull up for just the
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  Speaker 1: witness the parties and the court What has been marked
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  Speaker 1: for identification as a government exhibit 702? Question, Kate, do
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  Speaker 1: you recognize this? Answer, yes. Question, what is it? Answer,
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  Speaker 1: it's Glenn Maxwell's house. Question, is this affair an accurate
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  Speaker 1: depiction of the outside of Maxwell's house? Answer, yes. Prosecution,
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  Speaker 1: your honor, the government offers government exhibit 702. All right, folks,
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  Speaker 1: we're going to wrap up right here. And in the
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  Speaker 1: next episode, we're going to pick up where we left off.
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  Speaker 1: All the information that goes with this episode can be
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  Speaker 1: found in the description box.