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Good looking men get more money, women most affected | Maintaining Frame 80 · Honey Badger Radio

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  Hello everybody, and welcome to Honey Badger Radio. My name is Brian Alison
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  and this is maintaining frame. We just had a last minute change, so
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  the title is not what it was earlier though that is definitely going to be
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  a worthwhile delve deep dive. We're going to be doing, oh yeah,
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  a little lighter this time. Good looking men get more money. Women most
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  affected, of course they are. Oh so okail, go ahead, Alison,
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  are you there, Oh yes, I'm here now. Yeah, okay,
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  sorry about that, guys, Just a brief bit of technical difficulties.
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  So we originally were going to do look at the International Men's Day Debate in
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  the UK Parliament, but then I fell down a rabbit hole in the in
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  the first response to I think it was Philip Davies that made the opening arguments.
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  Well, but he is the chair of the debate. I think,
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  Oh, the opening statements were made by a guy named Nicholas Fletcher. Well,
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  Nicholas Fletcher laid it out pretty clearly. Yeah, he indicated all of
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  the issues, a lot of the issues that a significant number of men are
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  facing. And then I believe in the first response there was a female MP
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  who was insistent that they recognize and do a shout out that he recognized,
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  and do a shout out to a particular initiative that was in her writing.
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  And I'm like, okay, why is she like right off the bat,
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  She's like, and you must you must applaud these people. So I did
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  a search on what was it called? Uh, give me a second here,
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  I'm sorry. The reason why we changed that the title is because that's
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  going to take a while to explain all of the rabbit. Yeah, yeah,
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  this hmm, I'm sorry, guys, I got a massive headache.
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  So I'm the technical difficulties are in my skull. They've expanded and and become
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  physical. Uh So the the one that they that she did a shout out
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  for was oh god, this is interminable. This this, And I know
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  it's a really simple title. I'm so sorry. You know what I'm gonna
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  do. I'm gonna give you guys the information that you need at the beginning
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  of the show, and then we'll and then I will give you the name
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  of this. Oh here, it is a band of brothers. I should
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  have known that off the top of my on the tip of my tongue.
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  But yeah, UK's initiative called a Band of Brothers. So I'm like,
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  okay, why is she Why is she insisting that this guy give a shout
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  out to this particular initiative. So I looked them up and I read their
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  stuff, and of course they start off with men are ninety seven percent of
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  the demons in society, and I'm like, oh, okay, But you
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  know, after that it was fairly neutral. I'm like, Okay, that
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  wasn't too bad, But why is she so insistent? Like why is she
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  really pushing That just seems a little bit a little bit weird. So I
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  did another search and I was really freaking searching to find where these people came
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  from and what their actual mandate is because they're not showing it on their website.
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  And I came across this. It is called it's a paper and we'll
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  show it to you when we do this particular topic, behavior change Approaches for
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  social norms regarding gender. So it's an initiative in the UK to change gender
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  norms. So when they talk about gender equality, what they mean is removing
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  any recognition of the positives of masculinity that men and boys provide something unique and
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  positive to society because by definition, if you recognize that men and boys provide
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  something unique and positive to society, you have to say that women don't do
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  women and girls don't do this thing, and you can't do that. So
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  the initiative, the gender equality initiatives, always seem to wash out to men
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  and boys provide nothing as men and boys to society. They have no unique
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  qualities that they offer to the world as men and boys. Maybe as individuals,
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  but not as men and boys. And so I'm like reading this,
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  and the more I'm reading, the more absolutely creeped out about this I am.
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  They're talking about men who've seen the light, who understand the good word,
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  and then they mention this organization a band of brothers, as one of
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  the it means to disseminate their ideology. They are learning friends, they're getting
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  sneakier, they're getting quieter. But the only problem is their ideology is handing
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  men and boys a big sack of nothing, a big sack of you are
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  all nothing, you're all worthless. And then when we get back all of
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  the problems of that, the mental health issues, the suicide, and to
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  a much lesser extent, the acting out because more men are committing suicide.
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  Way more men are committing suicide opting out of work, opting out of relationships
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  than are ever considering taking a violent option. But when we look at all
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  of the effects of handing men a big bag of your nothing, which is
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  what they're doing, this is what their gender initiative policies do, is just
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  hand men and boys big bag of your nothing, and then it has obvious
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  negative efects, knock on negative effects, and then they say, well,
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  we can't allow any initiatives that don't also handmen and boys a big bag of
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  your nothing, Like we we're gonna solve the problems that we're creating with more
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  of the thing that creates them. And it's like they're getting sneaky about it.
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  I mean, this is not on a band of Boys website or band
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  of men are a band of Brothers website. It's nowhere there, Okay,
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  it's you have to look for this and find out that a band of brothers
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  is a bunch of missionaries for handing breen and boys big bags of nothing and
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  saying this big bags of your nothing. And I'm like, wow, that
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  was quite the rabbit hole to go down. And that's that's possibly why She's
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  so insistent that on this went on this day for men and boys, when
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  we recognize their issues, specifically the issues that are caused by pending them a
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  big bag of you or nothing, we need to make sure that they only
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  go to those organizations that will not challenge the fact that men and boys are
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  nothing and something. Somehow we're going to fix all that anyway. I just
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  want to give you guys a heads up. And I'm like this, anytime
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  the government gets involved, it's just like you're in this dilapidated house and you're
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  like, oh, wow, this is a really corrupt house, and then
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  you hit a soft spot on the floor and you fall down like five stories
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  into the and you're like looking up and it's like, oh, my freaking
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  god. I didn't even understand the level of corruption that that was occurring around
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  me until suddenly I fell down this rabbit hole, and now I realize I'm
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  not just in a house full of corruption. This is a skyscraper. It's
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  all embedded under the ground, but it's a skyscraper worth of corruption. All
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  right, Okay, yeah, Well, I mean there's nothing that's a bigger
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  threat to people in power like the state than like a free man, you
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  know, that doesn't need them. And I think that this is one of
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  the I think that trying to help men and boys is no one will observe
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  it, no one will see it for what it is, but it is
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  the most controversial position you can take against the state. I'm astounded that when
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  I've gone recently gone to the left wing male advocates Reddit site, which I
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  think they're the APAs state left wing male advocates, but that they are actually
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  openly admitting this carp in the state, and they're openly admitting the corruption of
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  feminist theory. Just let's go put it right out there, the corruption,
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  and I only want to call it feminist theory, the corruption of feminist ideology,
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  starting with the fact that feminism feminists who advance feminists feminism in science allegedly
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  allegedly scientific institutions, but as long as they're allowing feminism to exist, they're
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  not really. But the feminists to advance feminism have never explained to anyone how
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  feminism is falsified, Like that's essential, that is foundational central to a scientific
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  conjecture is you have to ask yourself, how is this falsified? What do
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  I need to what kind of experiment do I need structure that will falsify this
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  belief that I have, this explanatory belief that I have about observable phenomenon.
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  No feminist has ever done that. No feminists is sad her ass down and
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  said, how do I falsify feminism? Well, what have been the criteria
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  that I would accept that feminism is false? And if that has never happened,
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  that process has never happened. It is unequivocally, unequivocally non scientific.
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  It is simply and it's not even a religion, because religions are tested through
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  time, they're they're empirically tested as actually functioning for the societies that have them.
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  Feminism is a cult. Is it even a cult? It's a death
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  cult. It is a death cult because it's going to result in an implosion
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  of the population and the destruction of our society. It's a death cult.
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  They may not admit it, but that's what it is. I mean,
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  you can it's not like explicitly like you know, sacrifices, but but when
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  you look at how much death surrounds it and how much harm it's doing,
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  and and and right, yeah, it's a it's a it's an implosive,
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  nihilistic death cult. You know, it doesn't it doesn't happen overnight, but
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  it does. It does exactly what it sets out to do. And I
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  think that a lot of feminists or just women in general and the simps who
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  protect them, they are not willing to see this through. Like, they
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  don't see that that's happening. Well, the average average intelligence what it takes
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  a certain amount of either intuitive or or or or otherwise just looking at history
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  to even grasp the possible outcomes. So, I mean, the average woman
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  is is average. They're not going to necessarily understand this. Maybe intuitively some
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  of them will be, you know, have enough common sense to just reject
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  feminism. But but I just let's just keep it moving away from the like
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  the cult rhetoric. Feminists have never told anyone how feminism is falsified. Therefore,
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  it is not a scientific concept because it hasn't actually gone through the scientific
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  method. It is completely unproven at this point. It has mounds and scads
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  of evidence that it is not true. Right, it does not follow that
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  men in overt positions of power means men who create a society for their own
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  benefit at the expense of women. Rather, what men in overt positions of
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  power seems to entail in all cultures around the world is that those men use
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  other men or direct other men's sacrifice for the benefit of their societies, which
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  in turn benefit women, mostly in terms of protection provision. Every woman on
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  the planet is in a safer place, and i'm often a more provisioned place.
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  Maybe not more provisioned relative to her male relatives, but definitely more privilege
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  or provisioned relative to every other man in society. So what I'm saying is
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  you might have a situation where a family you know, gives their sons a
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  higher amount of inherence. Okay, fair enough. Usually that inherance is going
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  to his wife or going to be supporting his wife. So that's why they
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  do it. But the women in that family, if you look at them,
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  if you look at women in that society as a whole, as a
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  group, even if they have less financial resources than their male relatives, they
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  have more financial resources and provision than men as a whole. Do do you
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  understand what I'm saying? Yeah? Yeah, So they do not look at
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  this. They don't look at this. And also the assertion that men in
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  charge leads to a society in which women are not protected and provided for is
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  evolutionarily insane. The reason why we have these complex societies is because women need
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  so much protection and provision during the process of lactation, gestation, lactation in
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  early childhood. We wouldn't if women were like tigers. You know, they
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  squat down, give birth, go get up five minutes later and go off
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  and kill bin laden. You know, if they were like tigers, we
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  wouldn't need an evanced society. It exists because women need that. And I
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  know there's a there's even I think men's rights activists who don't want to see
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  this as purely social. It's not purely social. There are certain groups of
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  animals us included, in which a female animal needs the contribution of multiple animals
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  to successfully reproduce. In those contexts, they have more elaborate social systems.
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  Mean, even female chimps don't really need other female chimps or other male chimps
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  to have the resources to produce a child. They might need other male chimps
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  to protect the territory they gather those resources in, but they don't directly need
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  the provision of other chimps. Okay, we do, and that has created
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  that has created a species with a higher degree of trust, a higher degree
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  of cooperation, because we can't reproduce without it. And it's like this is
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  so that the entire concept of feminism is insane. And honestly, you see,
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  I don't know if it quite qualifies as a death cult because I think
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  that it's itself. I'm gonna get a little bit esoteric here, guys.
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  I think it itself is a reaction to the death of God in the face
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  of material science, and we have never face that existential crisis. In said,
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  we just shoved women in the role of God, which hasn't really helped
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  anyone at the end of the day, because women are people and people need
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  you know, the reason why we put God in the position of God is
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  because God doesn't need anything psychologically to be a healthy human being, because God
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  is not a human being, whether or not he or she or it exists
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  not, doesn't have a human psychology. Well, people need certain things to
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  be healthy, and we're not giving those things to women. Okay, all
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  right, yeah, in the article that was a long rant. That's okay,
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  So we're so anyway, point is that's a rabbit hole. I think
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  it's worth digging into. But well, it's going to require more of a
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  time commitment, but I think it's worth it. Plus oh yeah, by
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  the way, Till Deer has reached out to me and wants to do another
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  thing being on sort of occult roots, the mystical roots of feminism and the
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  and the female system as as they call it, So look out for that.
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  We'll probably do it in December. Yeah. Yeah. And the reason
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  why we're not doing it, one of the reasons is, yes, I
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  have a headache. The technical difficulties have invaded my skull just trying to follow
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  all of the digressions and rabbit holes in the debate in the UK Parliament about
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  the Minister for Men that that's what this is. What this was originally about,
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  the International Men's Day debate on the Minister for Men in UK whether or
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  not they're going to have one. I thought it was already decided they weren't.
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  But anyway, so in all of the rabbit holes that is created in
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  that debate just needs a bit more mental focus than I'm able to bring to
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  bear today. So I apologize, guys, but I would like to remind
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  you because I have managed to get the monthly fundraiser up. It's at it's
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  at feedbadger dot com slash support and if you would please go there and put
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  whatever you can in the hat for that, very much appreciated. More and
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  more when I read stuff like this, I'm realizing that the only way we're
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  going to be able to move forward is to stop giving men and boys bags
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  of your nothing. And there's just there is no compatibility with providing the mental
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  health or the support that men and boys need, not just for positive mental
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  health outcomes, but for the ability to maintain society, which is you know,
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  sort of what they're doing right now. You know, they are something
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  like ninety eight percent of everything that keeps the lights on and the heating and
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  the electricity and the plumbing. Like, yeah, you get rid of men
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  and boys, we don't have a modern society. You get rid of women
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  and girls, we'd probably limp along for a couple of yes, since ye,
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  they probably yeah, but also that they would probably get an artificial lid.
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  Figure it out. They they they'd figure it out. But assuming that
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  men and boys could keep society running by themselves, and and nobody recognizes this
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  because we're too busy handing them big bags of your nothing. Isn't that astounding?
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  And the funny thing is the people that are handing men and boys big
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  bags of you or nothing are relying on the very thing that they say men
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  don't have in order for them to take those big bags of you or nothing.
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  Because if men didn't care about women and girls, they wouldn't take those
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  big bags of your nothing. You know, you see what I'm saying.
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  Yeah, they just throw them in the faces of the people handing it to
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  them. And anyways, but the only way that we were gonna get these
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  issues addressed is if we continue to hammer away at this ideology that says we
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  can't help men, because that's acknowledging that the predominant ideology or society has decided
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  to embrace is wrong. Well, if we can't help the people who are
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  keeping us our civilization running, you know, that's not a long term strategy
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  for success. So we got to keep challenging them. So that means we
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  need to keep creating this content regardless of how many eyeballs gets on it.
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  We need to keep creating it. We need to keep lighting the signal flare.
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  And that guy that is up to you, guys. Guys have to
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  I think this is the one thing that needs to happen and needs to
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  be talked about to solve a lot of the problems that we see in the
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  world today. And you know, this is not a popular thing to say,
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  because people want it to be politics, like the sexy politics like left
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  and right and communist and capitalists and all this other stuff. And there there
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  are things that are related to that. But in the end of the day,
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  who are the two political factions in in Eden? Who are the original
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  two political factions in the garden of Eden, men and women? It all
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  right, let's uh, let's let's get started with it. Let's go ahead
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  and take a look at the article today and we do a rant about the
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  title. That will be the first thing. I think, what'd you say,
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  uh, rant about the title? Oh? Yeah, I guess we
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  get rant about the title first. Yeah. So this is from the Daily
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  Mail Science section. I put that in quote science and it is entitled it's
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  men who benefit most from their looks in the workplace and socially, not women,
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  according to trope busting study. Can you believe how they frame this?
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  What lukism harms men more is essentially the other way of saying this. How
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  many years have we dealt with how awful lookism to women is to women,
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  how much it discriminates against women who are ugly, all of that rhetoric the
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  women who are pretty, yeah, in favor of the women who are pretty,
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  How much women are judged by their looks, all of that retic generation
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  upon generation upon generation of that rhetoric. And now that we find out once
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  again that the situation is actually worse for men. Men are judged more harshly
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  on their looks. There's a bigger differential between attractive and ugly men. Suddenly
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  men get more better fit from being beautiful? Like, yep, how more
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  of evidence? Like? How more evidence that this is simply a way of
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  looking at the world and not actually a description of it or an observation of
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  what's actually happening. Can there be? It's a good question. Okay,
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  sorry to Let's let's get into it. Well, let's get into it,
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  all right, let's get into it. So again, you already mentioned like
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  the superchow thing, Yes, I did. I'm just people haven't said anything
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  through so all right, all right, all right, I'm just I'm just
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  like waiting so that I can give them something for it. Okay, So,
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  oh, is there a new thing? What is there a new thing
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  in the Superchows? No, I don't see anything new. No, it
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  normally comes up in my social stream. Ninja, it's not there, and
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  I'm looking in the discord as well. So okay, article. It's an
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  outdated trope that women only rise in the workplace because of their looks, and
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  perhaps a new study will put this attitude to bed. The study found that
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  men benefit more from physical attractiveness in school and the workplace than women do.
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  Researchers from the Polish Academy of Sciences examined data on over eleven thousand Americans over
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  twenty years from adolescents to adulthood, including ratings of their looks, information on
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  their educational and career achievement, and their earnings. They found that people who
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  were rated as more attractive at age fifteen were more likely to surpass their parents
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  in earnings and achievement once they reached their thirties. This effect was much stronger
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  for men than it was for women, especially in the area of education.
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  So I don't know if you want to jump in on that right now,
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  but oh, oh, this is just observation of reality. Like I actually
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  this is not a surprise for me because I looked at the actual studies and
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  this was this was something that was obvious years and years and years ago,
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  and I actually had arguments with feminists over it. I said, no,
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  actually, the penalty for men is higher, and they would just I don't
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  know what were they calling people back then. They just call me a misogynist,
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  misogynist, chauvinist, sexist. Yeah, just that, like or a
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  man, yeah, because that's that's their go to exist yet, but like
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  maybe a handmaid of the patriarchy. No, I've been through several iterations,
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  several generations of female and are feminist insults for women who disagree with them.
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  Yeah, actually pick me as new because they're recognizing that we're not just me
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  as new. That's recent. But it's more like, you know, internalized
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  misogyny. Handmaiden of the patriarchy. M maybe stupid woman mm hmmm, fifty's
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  housewife. Yeah whatever, Yeah, yeah, I know back then they were
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  just using guess, using plane workaday misogynist. Yeah, nothing, nothing fancy
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  yet starting for male approval, Okay, I mean I do think that what
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  I'm wondering about. I don't know what this study is gonna find, but
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  I'll just put out there that I think that if you are like attractive as
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  a person, you generally do better, Like people want to be around people
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  who are more attractive. It's it's just it's just the way it is.
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  It doesn't you know, it's not right or wrong. I just you know,
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  like you like, handsome men tend to do better, and attractive women
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  do better. But but I think that in terms of how a man's attractiveness
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  is measured versus how a woman's attractiveness is measured. Very few men will be
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  considered attractive enough so mid men and like even like you know more more like
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  it's higher than average attractiveness. Men will do much poorer than average women,
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  you know what I mean. So yeah, I don't know if they're taking
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  into account that we're looking at Like what if you're talking about a really handsome
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  man, like like a super handsome man that's like the top one percent,
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  like just in looks right, and so even a guy who's like, you
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  know, got a square draw and he's like in shape and everything, but
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  he's kind of whatever, he has some like law that makes him, you
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  know, above average, but not the top. Well, he will be
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  considered below average, so he may not like that. I guess what I'm
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  saying is it depends on how they're measuring attractiveness in men and women. And
• 28:45
  I don't think it's the same because I think that men are more charitable to
• 28:51
  women's looks than women are to men's If that makes sense. Well, yeah,
• 28:55
  this is not necessarily in dating. It's it's much easier statements because it's
• 28:59
  got subjectivity. It's in feel, it's in school and workplace attainment that they're
• 29:03
  looking at. I mean, obviously, in dating men's looks, they're not
• 29:10
  really apparently at this point, they're not really going to help unless you're in
• 29:14
  like the top one fifth, yeah, perhaps one twelfth at this point.
• 29:19
  Who knows where we're at at this point. But the other suggestion that someone
• 29:26
  made that I saw was, and I think it was in the patron discord
• 29:33
  in response to the person who who actually suggested this as a show topic,
• 29:37
  was that there may be a higher differential between attractive men and mid and unattractive
• 29:45
  men in what they get as men. But that doesn't mean that women's attractiveness
• 29:52
  doesn't get them more, right overall, So it's just that more attractive women
• 30:00
  don't necessarily get more than less attractive women, but more attractive women get more
• 30:06
  than attractive men. So I mean, if you give so if you have
• 30:11
  like five women, right, and that you have the top most attractive woman
• 30:17
  is a five, or I mean I should put just ten, because let's
• 30:19
  be confusing, got ten women, The top most attractive woman is a ten?
• 30:25
  You give her ten apples, right, and you go down the line,
• 30:32
  and nine gets nine apples, an eight gets eight apples. Et cetera,
• 30:36
  all the way to the one who gets one apple, right, and
• 30:38
  then you look at the men, and the most attractive man the ten gets
• 30:45
  let's say, I don't know, fifty apples, and then maybe the second
• 30:51
  most attractive man gets like two apples, and then every other man just gets
• 30:55
  a punch in the face. You know, there's a huge differential, but
• 30:59
  still every woman and is getting more. Yeah, what I was a yeah,
• 31:04
  I mean, you put it better than me, but that's what I
• 31:07
  was getting at. Okay, Yeah, I was just apparently that metaphor actually
• 31:11
  worked. Yay, give me a dan congratulating me for a successful course.
• 31:19
  I actually understood something you said. I'm kidding. Okay. So experts have
• 31:26
  argued that from an evolutionary perspective, looking attractive can be a sign that someone
• 31:30
  is suitable, fit, disease free partner, and beyond that, people tend
• 31:36
  to rate conventionally attractive people as more intelligent, trustworthy, and talents. And
• 31:40
  this is kind of what I was getting at. So I know this was
• 31:41
  supposed to be about like education and jobs, but they're they're kind of talking
• 31:48
  about the same thing, like what you know, whether or not someone finds
• 31:52
  someone physically attractive, not necessarily for the purpose of dating. Like I think
• 31:56
  people want to be around attractive people, you know, they don't have to
• 32:00
  want anything from them, but then you just want to hang out, like
• 32:04
  like I know guys that want to hang out with Henry Cavill not because they
• 32:07
  want to suck his dick, but because he's a good looking guy, And
• 32:08
  they want to be around a good looking guy because I feel like it makes
• 32:12
  them look better for some reason, which is kind of the opposite of what
• 32:15
  women do. Like when a woman takes her like, you know, like
• 32:19
  slightly less than attractive friend with her to the club so she looks better.
• 32:22
  By contrast, that's not really the way that men do things generally. Okay,
• 32:29
  I'd like to clarifize something for the autists. Let's say we give the
• 32:34
  top woman ten apples, and then we go down nine apples to nine.
• 32:37
  So to get the right amount of apples, you'd probably have to give the
• 32:42
  top man not fifty apples, but something like twenty apples, and then the
• 32:46
  ten the man who's a ten to twenty apples, the man who's a nine
• 32:50
  like two apples, and then down, so that overall women men are getting
• 32:54
  less apples but women. But there's a bigger differential between the top two men
• 33:02
  and everybody else. Right, yeah, that's how you'd have to get I
• 33:07
  put too many apples in the male half. I follow what you're saying.
• 33:10
  I think that's right. Yeah, yeah, I just because I know there's
• 33:14
  gonna be something there. There's probably gonna be some autist out there. Oh
• 33:16
  yeah, it's like, but that that metaphor is mathematically I mean, I
• 33:22
  thought I thought it was. It was decent. But look, okay,
• 33:25
  anyway, let's keep going. I yeah, let me continue. Experts have
• 33:30
  argued that from an evolutionary perspective, right and beyond, that people tend to
• 33:35
  rate conventionally attractive people as more intelligent, trustworthy, and talented, and a
• 33:38
  new study researcher set out to explore the material effects of these unsupported or I'm
• 33:43
  sorry of the supposed biases. To do this, they pulled data from the
• 33:47
  National Longitudal Study of Adolescent Health at Health for Short in long term study following
• 33:53
  about twenty thousand people from adolescents to adulthood, some dropped out over time,
• 33:59
  so the new study includes data on eleven five hundred and eighty three people.
• 34:05
  These figures include physical health data, demographic information, socioeconomic data, and oddly,
• 34:10
  ratings of physical attractiveness. Study participants came in every few years to answer
• 34:17
  questions for AD health, and each visit, interviewers were asked to rate participants
• 34:22
  on their attractiveness a five point scale ranging from very unattractive to very attractive.
• 34:30
  Interviewers didn't receive specific instructions on the criteria they should use to rate participants,
• 34:35
  but since studies have shown that multiple observers tend to agree on ratings of a
• 34:38
  person's attractiveness, the AD health ratings probably give an accurate picture of how people
• 34:44
  view each volunteer. The team behind the study looked at how interviewers had rated
• 34:49
  participants looks when they came in for the first visit as teenagers to how their
• 34:53
  lives had progressed about twenty years later. Physical attractiveness at age fifteen made a
• 34:59
  signific difference twenty years later, even after researchers took into account other factors that
• 35:04
  are known to have effects on a person's socioeconomic status, things like childhood health,
• 35:08
  neighborhood conditions, and parents' socioeconomic position. This research aimed to look at
• 35:15
  how someone's ascetic appeal impacts their upward mobility, but in theory, the opposite
• 35:20
  effect is possible, wrote the studies authors. Upward social mobility could result in
• 35:24
  greater attractiveness. Well, yeah, I think that's all true. I also
• 35:30
  think that, like I don't know if it's gonna if this is gonna come
• 35:32
  up, but I think that a in particular with men, if you are
• 35:39
  like attractive, part of what makes you attractive would have to not just be
• 35:45
  your genetics, like just how you know tall you are and what your bone
• 35:52
  structure is and your physical health, but it also is your habots and your
• 35:59
  behavior and your and how that builds on that. So like if you,
• 36:04
  you know, are fit because you take care of yourself and you eat well
• 36:08
  and you work hard and you know, and all of those things, I
• 36:14
  think that it's like a fe it feeds back into your your status and your
• 36:21
  attractiveness. So a man could have like great genetics but be like a homeless
• 36:25
  crack addict and not look attractive because he's like really thin and he's got like
• 36:31
  hair growing in weird places and he's covered in skin lesions or something like that
• 36:36
  because of how like maybe he became homeless, or maybe he has addiction or
• 36:42
  something like that. So I think that like attractiveness isn't just your looks.
• 36:47
  I think it's like a bunch of like I said, it's like you're you
• 36:51
  know, a man is especially with men though because I I you know,
• 36:55
  not, I think it's especially true of men because a man who is low
• 37:00
  status is doesn't matter what his looks are, He's going to struggle because you
• 37:07
  know, people are going to find him less attractive if he's poor, if
• 37:12
  he's not you know, not healthy, whatever it is. So I think
• 37:17
  that does have an impact. But that's just I mean, that's just me.
• 37:20
  I don't know if they're gonna touch on that or because if they if
• 37:22
  they say that, like, if you have good looks, then life is
• 37:25
  just going to like go your way. I think. I don't know if
• 37:29
  they're gonna say that, But if that's what they're gonna say, I don't
• 37:30
  I don't think that's true. I think that it's it's not it's like a
• 37:37
  bunch of different factors, you know. But I don't know if also wanted
• 37:42
  you want to say anything about that. No, I'm just looking at the
• 37:45
  the the the other thing is that when you look at maybe not educational attainment,
• 37:53
  but financial like economic mobility, does that really capture the women who are
• 38:00
  successful at becoming homemakers because they managed to get into a relation. Yeah.
• 38:08
  And and honestly, in another study, I'm thinking of the women who had
• 38:14
  quote unquote higher status had more children, but they were the the the what
• 38:21
  happened was the higher status woman had a man who earned more than her,
• 38:28
  and the more he earned that that was in addition to her, the more
• 38:32
  children she had. And according to that particular study, the higher status she
• 38:38
  was. Yeah. Right, So I'm just I don't think it captures that
• 38:44
  dimension. Now that's not to say that this isn't this isn't ridiculous that they're
• 38:51
  turning. They're basically saying hot men benefited more women most affected. That's just
• 38:57
  ridiculous. But the other thing is that if we just look at it in
• 39:02
  the sphere of career women, they no longer can say that their looks are
• 39:07
  dragging them down at all relative to men. So you don't have to actually
• 39:14
  look at how well women are doing as homemakers in order to be able to
• 39:17
  just counter the feminist assertion that career women are subject to lookism because they aren't,
• 39:27
  at least not relative to men. No, no, no, not
• 39:30
  at all. But I mean men are not only being measured by their looks
• 39:34
  too. Yeah, they'll be measured. They'll be measured by things that you
• 39:37
  know, women aren't necessarily measured as much by or women are are are cushioned
• 39:44
  against, which is certain levels of competency and all that. Yeah, exactly.
• 39:50
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• 39:54
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• 40:15
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• 40:38
  and yeah, let's read a little bit more of this thing. I knew,
• 40:45
  I already knew. Yeah, I'm glad that there's more evidence of it.
• 40:49
  Once someone becomes wealthy, they can afford nicer clothes, a gym membership,
• 40:52
  or even cosmetic surgery to enhance their physical attractiveness. For this reason,
• 40:58
  they focused on physical attractiveness as assessed at age fifteen, whereas earnings during adulthood
• 41:05
  may lead to hotter hair, face, and body, and adulthood money can't
• 41:08
  influence someone's teenage looks, so by limiting the physical attractiveness assessment to adolescents,
• 41:15
  the researchers could be pretty confident that it was impacting social mobility and not the
• 41:20
  other way around. The results appeared in this month in the journal Social Science
• 41:24
  Quarterly. Breaking down the effects of these scientific hotness ratings by gender revealed a
• 41:31
  peculiar effect. Men seem to benefit more from people thinking they looked good.
• 41:37
  Why is that peculiar? Why is that peculiar? I know, like,
• 41:40
  do you know how rare it is that men get compliments? I mean,
• 41:45
  even attractive men? You know how good that feels? When you're a teenager.
• 41:52
  It's probably even a little bit I don't know, like awkward or intimidating
• 41:55
  when you're like fifteen years old. But also like, this is not peculiar.
• 42:01
  This like I could have told you this like decades ago, because I
• 42:05
  looked at the actual studies. And the other thing is it's only peculiar if
• 42:08
  you come to this with a preconceived notion. Yeah, all right, let's
• 42:15
  keep going. For males, we observe a social mobility gradient of physical attractiveness
• 42:22
  for all three mobility measures. That is, those assessed as attractive have higher
• 42:27
  mobility chances than those assessed that as average, the study authors wrote, and
• 42:32
  with each step up the attractiveness ladder, men tended to increase this advantage.
• 42:38
  Among females. The gradient is weaker regarding intergenerational, educational and income mobility,
• 42:45
  and there are no significant differences in physical attractiveness categories regarding occupational mobility. The
• 42:52
  new results contradict a study from Scotland in twenty thirteen which found that Girls Girls
• 42:59
  is Zizz's teenage attractiveness was an important factor influencing education outcomes. Amazing contradict it
• 43:07
  does it though, this like Okay, yeah, I mean they say it
• 43:13
  contradicts it, but it just says the gradient is weaker. It's weaker.
• 43:19
  It doesn't necessarily mean it's a contradiction. Yeah, did they measure boys in
• 43:22
  that same study? Yeah? Exactly did they measure? Like this is what
• 43:25
  I talk about with an orphan statistic. This is one of the ridiculous stuff
• 43:30
  that they do. They just measure men, women and girls, and then
• 43:34
  they say women and girls have it so much worse than men, and all
• 43:37
  you have to do to contradict that and say, well, where did you
• 43:38
  measure the situation for men? Oh? We didn't. We just assumed it.
• 43:43
  Oh really, that's scientific. Is it possible that complementing a man when
• 43:50
  he's like a teenager on his looks is what makes him more successful? Like
• 43:59
  if we if we agree, do we do we not agree that a woman
• 44:02
  that is that a woman has the power to support a man and make him
• 44:09
  capable of doing things that he didn't think he was capable of, Like the
• 44:15
  thing like that encourage Like could could it be that a fifteen year old that
• 44:21
  women find attractive or whatever, or that people find attractive is encouraged to be
• 44:25
  more successful as a result of that, and that men who are not are
• 44:31
  well, they're not necessarily discouraged, but they're less encouraged because there isn't like
• 44:37
  an external I don't know, like there is no encouragement basically, does that
• 44:42
  make sense? Like like you give a man a boost of confidence, and
• 44:45
  then that man, because of that, he goes on to do, you
• 44:49
  know, more than he might have otherwise. I get what you're saying.
• 44:52
  Yeah, but here's another thought. Okay, In in high school, that's
• 44:57
  when girls are less likely to judge men by their their achievement and most likely
• 45:05
  to judge them by their looks. Yes, right, so good looking men
• 45:09
  will have an advantage in terms of appealing to girls at that time, a
• 45:14
  significant advantage. I mean they do throughout apparently at this point, but that
• 45:19
  advantage may lead to a boost in confidence as they go further. So it's
• 45:25
  it's in addition to the compliment and maybe the fact that the sexual attention from
• 45:30
  girls at a young age leads to a boost in confidence in those then leads
• 45:35
  to success, which you know, would would be uh, would be an
• 45:38
  excellent, an excellent what's encouragement towards creating a society where young people get at
• 45:50
  least some attention from the opposite sex when they are in their teenage years,
• 45:57
  you know, because female you know like that, you know, the way
• 46:00
  that more traditional societies established it. And I'm not even talking about like traditional
• 46:07
  societies like Muslim or or Asian like East Asian or anything like our own traditional
• 46:13
  societies putting together dances, you know, trying to people relatives, being more
• 46:21
  involved and setting young people up so that the the ones who are less,
• 46:28
  you know, being hit by the godmother of of of of you know,
• 46:31
  good looks. You know that the the blessing of good looks. They aren't
• 46:36
  the only ones who who win the assortative mating of high school. You know,
• 46:39
  the average looking ones will get a little bit of attention. Maybe they
• 46:44
  won't get as much, but because they have these other other like they have
• 46:47
  the social events that are created for them, not just proms. There would
• 46:52
  be regular dances in uh In in more traditional communities, and this is like
• 46:58
  dancing, Like meeting at a dance or meeting at a festival put on by
• 47:01
  your community is old. Like they did that in Rome, and they would
• 47:07
  they would get their young people to pair up based on you know, if
• 47:10
  they liked each other, if they were enjoying each other's company. I'm not
• 47:14
  talking about the big patrician and later plebeian families who were all playing politics with
• 47:20
  marriage, talking about like the just the general Roman society. They would do
• 47:23
  the same thing. They would have events where men and women and boys and
• 47:27
  girls could meet up and sort of sort into pairs. And we don't do
• 47:32
  that anymore. We don't give any assistance to young people. And the young
• 47:37
  people that this seems to really hit hard are unattracted or mid to like somewhat
• 47:43
  attractive to unattractive young men. They'd seem to need that extra bit of structure
• 47:51
  and socialization offered by the community to be able to be attractive to young women.
• 47:57
  You see what I'm getting at. Yes, you know, and now
• 48:00
  that we don't do it, now that we rely entirely on our our ape
• 48:06
  instincts, that's not happening. And that might also correspond to a lowering in
• 48:13
  productivity among men generally. Because you're not seeing this, I mean, I'm
• 48:17
  just spitballing here. It seems to make sense to me. But uh,
• 48:22
  and and that that might be the the complete lack of attention from the opposite
• 48:27
  sect during your teen years for young men, may lead to a lowering uh,
• 48:32
  a lowering success rate later because it leads to a loss of self esteem,
• 48:37
  a loss of sense of of of worth, and and then that leads
• 48:43
  to an even higher and greater degree of benefit to the the men who are
• 48:49
  more attractive. You see what I'm getting at yep, Yeah, because they
• 48:53
  get the confidence boost of being attractive to women. Of course, the one
• 48:58
  thing I will say about those men is the first difficult relationship they go through,
• 49:05
  they're usually killing themselves. Like the first long term intimate like close relationship
• 49:10
  that these high flyers get into and it goes south, and they often do
• 49:16
  in a really bad and explosive way, and they for whatever reason, they
• 49:22
  don't survive that because they've invested a lot of their identity in the approval of
• 49:29
  women. So I mean this, on one hand, this may be a
• 49:36
  beneficial to them, but on the other hand, it may also be setting
• 49:38
  them up for spectacular crashes because they if that's what they've set their self esteem
• 49:45
  on, the first time they get the rug pulled out from under them,
• 49:47
  and that happens a lot. You know, they don't know what to do
• 49:52
  with themselves. Whereas you know, the other men may have figured out other
• 49:55
  ways of managing to establish a positive identity based on other factors, which again
• 50:01
  you can do in like the more community orientated arena, you know, where
• 50:08
  the community puts on events to help young people pair up and figure out who
• 50:13
  they like and stuff like that. But like I said, we don't do
• 50:15
  that anymore. We don't really help young people with anything. And what I've
• 50:21
  noticed is that, And I honestly, like I'm gonna say this, I
• 50:25
  am not very well socialized. I have really a lot of difficulty when it
• 50:32
  comes to talking to strangers. I'm like a deer the headlight. Someone comes
• 50:37
  up to me, and that happens a lot in a small town. They're
• 50:39
  just like hi. I'm like, oh my god, what what? What?
• 50:43
  What? I don't kill me, I don't have any money away.
• 50:51
  Oh that's not a knife. No, I just like getting to So I'm
• 50:54
  not the most social person. But I've noticed that young people are getting even
• 51:00
  worse. Oh yeah, like yeah, it's it's like and they're all feral,
• 51:08
  and it's it's like you've completely abandoned a generation and they don't know what
• 51:13
  to do with themselves. They're extremely phobic of any kind of interaction. They're
• 51:17
  phobic to the level that I am phobic at my worst, when I was
• 51:22
  almost like hiding in my house, you know, and that's that's not good.
• 51:28
  That shouldn't be the average. No, you know anyway, and I've
• 51:34
  seen that too myself, you know, when I was doing substitute teaching.
• 51:37
  But I would encourage you know, socialization with the kids and stuff when I
• 51:45
  was doing that, because and then what was really annoying to me was people
• 51:50
  would like like have all these scapegoats right, Like they'd be like, oh,
• 51:54
  it's because of the lockdowns. Oh, it's because of the COVID stuff.
• 51:58
  Oh it's because of the internet. Oh it's social media. It's like
• 52:01
  no, I mean those things are not like meaningless. But I think ultimately
• 52:07
  it is like a lack of community, a lack of of uh involved parents.
• 52:14
  It is like the fathers that are being that are being left out of
• 52:17
  their children's lives. It is it is the breakdown of the family that that's
• 52:22
  the the I think the number one thing. Because to me, like lockdowns
• 52:30
  in COVID and social media did not create these problems. They exist. These
• 52:35
  these things exist, and you can either deal with it or not. Like
• 52:39
  I said, I was doing you're in uh Rona, Virginia, they didn't
• 52:45
  really lock down, right, So I when I was doing substitute teaching,
• 52:50
  I mean, there are people wearing masks and stuff, but like it wasn't
• 52:52
  locked down. Like kids were going to school, and when they did,
• 52:57
  they would still do all the same stuff. They go to the place ground.
• 53:00
  I would encourage them to, you know, do stuff together. The
• 53:04
  teachers were involved. It's a different it is a different animal, and it
• 53:07
  didn't stop them. And I was doing middle school, high school, and
• 53:10
  very early like first second grade, and I didn't see any issues with that.
• 53:15
  But I did see like from people I knew, you know, this
• 53:20
  kind of stuff going on in other parts of the country. And so I
• 53:23
  think it ultimately because you know, the kids here, they they know who
• 53:28
  their dad is, that he picks them up from school, right, So
• 53:32
  I think it's I think that it is a socialization problem that that there's lots
• 53:42
  of ways to rectify. And it's like you said, we used to do
• 53:45
  things together, like communities would do stuff like here they have you know,
• 53:50
  when Halloween comes around, there's like a block party and all the kids go
• 53:53
  and they're all dressed up and like, you know, it brings, so
• 53:57
  it's like a thing they do together. When fourth and Lie happens, there's
• 54:00
  fireworks everywhere people go to see them. You know, the city has their
• 54:06
  own, but it's not even as good as some of the people who live
• 54:07
  in the area than when what they do is even more impressive. There's you
• 54:14
  know, I think there's garage and like yard sales like every weekend, like,
• 54:17
  and it's all social stuff like all the time. So I think that
• 54:22
  it's just about like, oh, we have a roller skating rank here.
• 54:25
  I've never been to it, but I know it's popular. So I think
• 54:29
  that it's all about like you know, when when you take when you take
• 54:35
  the family and you break it up, it makes it so much harder to
• 54:40
  reform community, and the kids are gonna feel so much more alienated, and
• 54:45
  then the other stuff like the lockdowns and and the social media become crutches that
• 54:51
  they then use to try to supplement that because human beings need to socialize,
• 54:55
  like we like it's it we like very few people, Okay, I'll put
• 55:00
  it that way, because some of you guys are probably loners. Very few
• 55:02
  people can like be An Island, right, And I think most of the
• 55:08
  time they're not. Even some of the guys, like I remember when I
• 55:12
  first came here. I'm sorry for like going off on a tangent, but
• 55:15
  I went to this gun shop because one of our patrons mailed me a shotgun
• 55:22
  and I had to go pick it up. And so I went to this
• 55:24
  gun shop to pick it up, and I thank you for sending me that
• 55:29
  person, you know who you are. And I went there to pick it
• 55:31
  up, and there the guy who ran the gun shop was there hanging out
• 55:36
  with a bunch of other men because you know, it's a gun shop,
• 55:39
  so it's men there. And he had his dog there, and we were
• 55:43
  all talking and stuff. And there was one guy who goes there regularly and
• 55:47
  they just talk about guns, and they talk about the military because a lot
• 55:51
  of them are vets, or they're in their active members, or they're in
• 55:55
  their cops or whatever it is, right, and they'll be talking about this
• 56:00
  stuff. And there was one guy who literally like lives off the grid in
• 56:02
  West Virginia and he hunts for food and he's still even though he lives alone,
• 56:09
  like God knows, in the middle of nowhere, probably in the hollers
• 56:12
  or something. He hunts for food, but he still comes to this gun
• 56:15
  shop to socialize with other men, so, you know, and that always
• 56:21
  stood out for me. I thought that was so interesting. But I mean,
• 56:24
  we're not doing that now, so I'm you know, I mean,
• 56:28
  obviously it happens here, but but I think that it is, like,
• 56:32
  it is a really interesting situation. And I think that again, yeah,
• 56:38
  maybe this study, I don't know. I feel like there's there's data missing.
• 56:44
  So I would say that I would like to draw the distinction between social
• 56:49
  media like Twitter and Facebook. And I don't want to say Discord specifically.
• 56:54
  I'm not calling out Discord and saying it's great, but the way that it's
• 56:59
  structured is I think more conducive towards forming relationships and an actual community because you
• 57:06
  talk to people, you talk to people in real life. You're not just
• 57:08
  broadcasting it everywhere. So what isn't a performance if that makes sense. Yeah,
• 57:14
  you know, and you get you get into more. I guess an
• 57:17
  intimate more. It's more intimate, I think, and more private. Yeah,
• 57:23
  so I think the telegram is like that too. I think that I
• 57:28
  think that social media in general is very email centric. Yeah, and the
• 57:34
  way women interact that's mostly is the thing like discord. Does that qualify as
• 57:38
  social media or is it more like I think social media is more like you
• 57:44
  know, X YouTube, maybe Facebook, Instagram in particular, stuff like that.
• 57:52
  Yeah. And the reason why I say that, well, first of
• 57:54
  all, if you guys want to join us in our discord, it's at
• 57:58
  Badger Nation dot online, and there's a there's a free area that you can
• 58:02
  hang out in, and we also do regular movie nights that you can access
• 58:09
  through the free area. Yea, so that's a badgination dot online. But
• 58:15
  I feel like that it has more of an intimacy to it, Like it's
• 58:20
  it's more about making and maintaining friendships than than Twitter. Like I don't know
• 58:25
  if I've I've encountered a friendship on Twitter. I actually met uh, Hannah
• 58:32
  and Karen through Reddit, of all places, both of them, that's where
• 58:39
  I originally met them. And you know, Reddit, I think is a
• 58:43
  bit different than Twitter somehow, maybe because it's it seems to be more like
• 58:49
  those old school do you remember those old school threaded messaging boards. I actually
• 58:53
  never did Reddit or any of that stuff. So no, okay, all
• 58:58
  right, never mind then, But but a lot of people know what I'm
• 59:01
  talking about. I started, I started an I R C. So you
• 59:07
  and BABYSS too, Eh, so you got I'm like way way old school.
• 59:12
  But anyway, what I wanted to point out is this is something that
• 59:15
  sort of gelled in my mind after all of those discussions with the dating coach
• 59:21
  people, specifically the ones who insist that that men overcome the deficits of socialization
• 59:28
  that are being caused by our society on multiple fronts, not just that institutionally
• 59:34
  they're being handed the big bag of nothing by by feminists who basically uh captured
• 59:43
  they they they've captured like these institutions that raised children and the academic institutions,
• 59:50
  So that that's a vector of a lack of socialization for men. They also
• 59:53
  don't have really strong relation Yeah yeah, we and we. They also don't
• 1:00:00
  have really strong relationships with other men, which is another vector where young men
• 1:00:05
  are not being socialized properly. So you have all of the and there's more
• 1:00:07
  besides that, you have all of these vectors by which young men today have
• 1:00:12
  deficits of socialization and it's not their fault because you need another person to socialize
• 1:00:19
  with who's been interested in you to socialize with. Right, And these dating
• 1:00:23
  coaches come right out of the gate and they say, well, if you're
• 1:00:25
  not approaching women, then you're a coward, because my data that I took
• 1:00:30
  from a longline survey says that men who don't approach women are less risk averse.
• 1:00:36
  It's like, well, okay, this situation is not going to change.
• 1:00:39
  Like, the situation is literally not going to change from tweets, from
• 1:00:44
  YouTube videos, from seminars from a dating coach getting up and giving men a
• 1:00:51
  lecture. The only thing that's going to change this situation is those people who
• 1:00:55
  decide to get in the trenches and start building communities for young men, period,
• 1:01:00
  and not communities that have secret agendas to hand more young men bags of
• 1:01:07
  your nothing. Okay, Like that's that's that's the that's the brass tacks,
• 1:01:14
  honest truth. Now, people like Justin Tratier, they deal with the at
• 1:01:19
  risk young men. They're the ones, you know, they have referrals from
• 1:01:22
  from young men who are dealing with not just a lack of socialization, but
• 1:01:28
  severe negative socialization. So the young men who've been abused, the young men
• 1:01:32
  who have been raised in criminal households. The young men who the police are
• 1:01:37
  worried are going to become offenders if nobody gets in there and helps them.
• 1:01:40
  But what about the young men who are just happen to be uh, you
• 1:01:45
  know that they have difficulty with being social because they've been poorly socialized, But
• 1:01:51
  they're not in danger to anyone. They're just going to quietly implode, you
• 1:01:55
  know, they're they're quietly lonely. Maybe they're incredibly success financially, maybe they
• 1:02:00
  have talents that have brought them significant status and prestige in the working world,
• 1:02:07
  but they just don't have that level of socialization that allows them to be happy
• 1:02:13
  with have their relationship group, their friendship group, whatever. How do you
• 1:02:17
  help those guys? And the dating coaches aren't going to be able to because
• 1:02:21
  the problem that they're facing, this deficit of socialization, is not going to
• 1:02:25
  be solved by getting a bunch of men who are socially awkward to approach women.
• 1:02:30
  All that's going to happen are false accusations from that. The way that
• 1:02:32
  you solve that is by getting them to develop stronger relationships to other men,
• 1:02:37
  to each other, okay, and through that process gain the social skills that
• 1:02:45
  allow them to feel more confident going into the more I guess socially risky activity
• 1:02:52
  of approaching women if they want to. And because the a lot of these
• 1:02:55
  guys are not going to be attractive and not necessarily attractive enough, because the
• 1:03:00
  standards are so ridiculous and they are let's let's face it, they are a
• 1:03:04
  lot of these guys are not going to be successful. You might as well
• 1:03:07
  have the skills in place now to deal with a life in which you don't
• 1:03:15
  get that female partner and what you think that that's going to that's going to
• 1:03:20
  give you right And incidentally, when you put those skills in place, you're
• 1:03:24
  more likely to get a female partner when you have something going on in your
• 1:03:28
  life. And I know a lot of people are are that stress stressful for
• 1:03:31
  them, that overcoming uh that feeling of isolation. Having something going on in
• 1:03:37
  your life is more likely to lead to you having a woman in your life
• 1:03:43
  because you have a life for her to take part in. But you know,
• 1:03:46
  it's it's it's what I've seen. It's what I've seen. The guys
• 1:03:51
  who are have a they have a plan, they have like a five year
• 1:03:55
  plan. The guys who are they. They approach being social in terms of
• 1:04:01
  enjoying an activity with another person, enjoying people's company. Right, so,
• 1:04:08
  they approach being social in terms of having fun with another person as opposed to
• 1:04:13
  like the a lot of guys or a lot of people in general, even
• 1:04:15
  women like this is this is definitely true about women. They approach a situal,
• 1:04:19
  a social situation, or a relationship with another person in terms of women,
• 1:04:26
  It's like, you know, that's not what it's about. That's why
• 1:04:29
  I say to guys who are struggling, go to a place where they're happy
• 1:04:32
  to see you. You know, think about your life in terms of serving
• 1:04:38
  others as well, like what can you do to be of service to your
• 1:04:42
  community, what can you do to put a smile in another person's face,
• 1:04:45
  and what can you do to develop the skills to be motivated by that?
• 1:04:49
  You know, that's how you overcome this kind of loneliness and also how you
• 1:04:56
  develop the social skills to if you if you are if you want want to
• 1:05:00
  pursue having a woman. You see what I'm saying. And all of that
• 1:05:04
  requires people. That requires people who are willing to get into the trenches with
• 1:05:09
  young men and willing to talk to them one on one, willing to do
• 1:05:13
  activities with them one on one, willing to listen to them without applying a
• 1:05:19
  social theory to them, like, oh, while this would be better if
• 1:05:23
  you just were conservatives, No, it wouldn't, Like it wouldn't because men
• 1:05:30
  can't make their perspective supposed perspective. Mates appreciate conservatism. Like literally, if
• 1:05:36
  a man is less conservative, he may actually have more success for women.
• 1:05:42
  I mean, what cost is really the question? So yeah, it's that's
• 1:05:45
  not gonna solve things. You know, being a liberal is not really gonna
• 1:05:49
  solve things. You know, being x y Z is not gonna solve things.
• 1:05:54
  What's gonna solve things is people shutting up and listening to young men and
• 1:05:58
  what they need and what and the things that they're grappling with, and not
• 1:06:02
  just the ones who are marginalized are really marginal The ones that are you know,
• 1:06:08
  the police have a dossier on, but the ones who are quietly slipping
• 1:06:12
  through the cracks, you know, you gotta listen, you gotta shut up.
• 1:06:15
  And I don't see this among a lot of YouTubers or dating coaches.
• 1:06:19
  I don't see a lot of shutting up and listening. And I don't think
• 1:06:23
  that's where the solution is going to come from, because like the feminists,
• 1:06:27
  they are applying an ideology and an expectation onto men. Instead of figuring out
• 1:06:33
  what those men need, they are looking at those men in terms of what
• 1:06:36
  they need from them, money, belief systems, like promoting a belief system,
• 1:06:43
  becoming part of the the uh, the ranks of whatever philosophy or ideology
• 1:06:49
  that they promote. It's like, no, where you start is by listening.
• 1:06:54
  You do the hard work, you know, day by day by day,
• 1:06:57
  you listen to what they are dealing with, what they're having trouble with.
• 1:07:01
  You know. You try to work on making a community and like I
• 1:07:06
  do this, I never feel like I'm doing it right, But I try,
• 1:07:11
  you know, I try really hard and I do this. I try
• 1:07:14
  to make a community. I try to deal with the inevitable blow ups because
• 1:07:18
  people have differences of opinion, that's the big one. People have differences in
• 1:07:23
  personality, and I try to deal with that. I try to be a
• 1:07:26
  productive community leader or facilitator and do and approach it from that way. I
• 1:07:31
  don't know if I'm successful at all. You know, sometimes the pain that
• 1:07:35
  I see, it's really overwhelming and the fact that I cannot help certain things,
• 1:07:41
  like I can't I can't push a button and make it so that women
• 1:07:45
  just appreciate men, because that's really what needs to happen to solve the dating
• 1:07:49
  crisis. You know, I can't do that. So what I do what
• 1:07:54
  I can do, which is try to help construct a space and kick the
• 1:07:59
  people out of it who want to turn a space into an ideological brainwashing chamber
• 1:08:06
  like this a band of brothers and uh, and just listen to the people
• 1:08:13
  in it and the young men in it and what they're dealing with. And
• 1:08:16
  I don't see a lot of that. And like I said, I don't
• 1:08:18
  think the answer is gonna come from any YouTuber. It's not gonna come from
• 1:08:21
  a YouTube channel, it's not gonna come from a dating coach's seminar. The
• 1:08:26
  answer is gonna come when we start caring about young men enough to start building
• 1:08:30
  the communities that they need to overcome the socialization crisis. Okay, I'm gonna
• 1:08:36
  get off my soapbox, all right, go ahead, by It's okay,
• 1:08:41
  I got a couple rumble rants, so I'm gonna go ahead and read those
• 1:08:46
  and let me put them on the screen. Dara Mooth sent us two,
• 1:08:49
  so thank you Dara Mouth for the rumble, rants one for two dollars and
• 1:08:54
  says technology is the recluses heaven are the reason many are their own islands.
• 1:09:00
  Thank you, And then he gives another one and says for five dollars,
• 1:09:04
  and says willing to give their time without thinking they'll get something in return.
• 1:09:09
  Then again, being rich is the main motivation for most. All right,
• 1:09:15
  thank you for that. Okay, so we'll get back to the Let me
• 1:09:18
  just make sure I didn't miss any super childs and I haven't, so we'll
• 1:09:21
  get back to the article. Then I do have some thank you by the
• 1:09:28
  way, Oh you do, oh good, good god. You guys responded,
• 1:09:30
  so thank you for that. Very much appreciated. Once again. The
• 1:09:35
  guy who cracked the zero was Richard Beier, So thank you, Richard.
• 1:09:42
  Thank you always. I think he I think these. This is like a
• 1:09:45
  personal challenge for him to be the first to be the first to open the
• 1:09:50
  fundraiser. And he gives us one hundred bucks, So thank you, Richard,
• 1:09:55
  thank you, and zoo Am hopefully not your name, gives us twenty
• 1:10:00
  five dollars. All right, can you imagine this like I've just I've just
• 1:10:09
  doxed zoo Wam. I don't think that's his name. I'm going to go
• 1:10:15
  out on a limb that could be completely wrong, Okay, and then ten
• 1:10:21
  dollars from am R. That's all I'm going to say, am R,
• 1:10:27
  all right, thank you and wow. And then fifty dollars from the Great
• 1:10:34
  Indoors. Thank you, the Great Indoors. Thank you again. Yeah,
• 1:10:39
  we're we're at one hundred and eighty five now out of like four eight and
• 1:10:45
  ninety, but we are moving. So that's good to see. And once
• 1:10:49
  again, if you want to help out, and if you if my long
• 1:10:54
  rant resonated with you when I say it's like, the solution is not going
• 1:10:58
  to come from people preach young men. It's gonna come from people fixing the
• 1:11:02
  problem. Like you just can't preach at young men anymore. They like,
• 1:11:10
  basically, what we're the problem that we're seeing is that young men are not
• 1:11:13
  integrating properly into society. What a surprise, since it's a society that gives
• 1:11:17
  them no role whatsoever. But regardless, they're having problems integrating into society.
• 1:11:24
  The answer isn't to scream at them more and say, why aren't you making
• 1:11:29
  people care about you. It's to care about them and to start constructing spaces
• 1:11:33
  in which they can talk about their issues and develop friendships with each other.
• 1:11:40
  It's not gonna come from a YouTube channel screaming about what men are doing wrong
• 1:11:45
  or even what feminism is doing wrong. Although I think that helps because you
• 1:11:47
  know, challenging the fact that they're in creating a space where you say,
• 1:11:54
  well, actually, it's not fair to give young men that you're a you
• 1:11:58
  are nothing bag, like the bag full of nothing. That's not fair.
• 1:12:01
  I mean, at least it gets out there and he gets some young men
• 1:12:04
  thinking about that, But ultimately, I don't think that's where the answer is
• 1:12:10
  going to come from. The answer is going to come from constructing the spaces
• 1:12:13
  that help young men overcome this social deficit. But once you construct this space,
• 1:12:18
  like and okay, let me let me put it this way. Yeah,
• 1:12:24
  Andrew Taate may make may say that that men have some kind of value,
• 1:12:29
  But I don't think that he's solving anything. Can I be up?
• 1:12:31
  Can I say that I don't think he solves I think I think ultimately he's
• 1:12:36
  using this to make money and I never I never claimed otherwise. And I
• 1:12:44
  think that the only reason why there's a market is because no one else is
• 1:12:47
  stepping up or at least like, you know, in the way that he
• 1:12:49
  has, so like, if you don't like Andrew Tate, then you're gonna
• 1:12:54
  be a part of a different solution, offer something better and something that men
• 1:12:58
  can actually use because no one else is doing it. In fact, like
• 1:13:02
  every member, they did this to Peterson, and Peterson's message was far more
• 1:13:06
  constructive. So it's like they want the Andrews hats because it makes it easier
• 1:13:12
  for them to point at that and say, look, this is what men
• 1:13:15
  are, Yes, exactly, this is what men are. And men deserve
• 1:13:19
  to get the empty bag like that, for people to hand them the bag
• 1:13:25
  of nothing, like you are nothing, here's your bag late, you know,
• 1:13:29
  like we have no place for you have no place in society as a
• 1:13:32
  man or boy, you know, as a young man, as a young
• 1:13:36
  man period. You they have a place as an individual who's using his individual
• 1:13:43
  merit to overcome his handicap of being a young man. But really that rhetoric
• 1:13:49
  only really serves men who are who have I want to use the word privilege
• 1:13:55
  but I know it's so toxic at this point, but who have social social
• 1:14:02
  very few men are going to be able to take advantage of whatever hate is
• 1:14:05
  selling. So it's still gonna leave a lot of men out, and it's
• 1:14:10
  gonna what what what men need maybe is well, actually, this is what
• 1:14:15
  people need in general, I think is that, uh, they need to
• 1:14:18
  know that they are enough and that they can they can have enough. Like
• 1:14:23
  it's not about you know, bugattis and cigars, and it's not about like
• 1:14:29
  being homeless like the feminists basically want you to have and that there's it's about
• 1:14:33
  like what nobody wants to feel is resentment, I think, And I think
• 1:14:38
  that like what we have now is creating a climate of resentment. And I
• 1:14:44
  think that it in you know, just for your for your I don't know,
• 1:14:47
  well being you have to find like gratification and what you do have and
• 1:14:53
  like and be able to acquire enough, like you know, somebody said that
• 1:14:58
  being rich is the main motivation for most I don't think that's true. I
• 1:15:01
  think I think that if people knew they could just have enough and be happy,
• 1:15:05
  you know, But I don't know, Yeah, I think what does
• 1:15:13
  he sells? He sells a certain status. But it's only it only works
• 1:15:17
  because it's also what women are asking for. So like it's he's only responding
• 1:15:23
  to the market, and the men are responding to that market, you know,
• 1:15:28
  even though they have no chance of accessing. Yeah, of course not.
• 1:15:30
  Yeah, it's ridiculous, right, that's I'm saying, like this,
• 1:15:33
  this is an unsustainable prop uh, the Bible proposal. But like I bring
• 1:15:40
  up Peterson because he was the one that was like, look, you know,
• 1:15:45
  find something good in what you have? Yeah, fine, yeah,
• 1:15:47
  like just fine, make yourself like be like men are competent. You just
• 1:15:53
  got to find where your you know, area is and just focus on that
• 1:15:57
  and stop worrying about like what women are asking for or because they don't know
• 1:16:00
  what they want, Like we've already gone through girl math when it comes to
• 1:16:03
  height and money. They just want to make sure that those women just want
• 1:16:08
  more than what their friend has, that's all. And you don't want those
• 1:16:12
  women anyways. So Okay, I was gonna say that I think the real
• 1:16:17
  big question of our time, since we've resolved all of our material really,
• 1:16:24
  oh, we're heading towards it. There's no avoiding it. Like they're well
• 1:16:28
  yeah, go ahead. Okay, we may be heading towards I really I
• 1:16:31
  don't think we have to, because the real unfortunate thing about this is the
• 1:16:34
  collapse isn't necessary. No, it's not necessary. We just need to No,
• 1:16:40
  I mean the question. Sorry, I meant to say, we're heading
• 1:16:43
  towards like asking these very important questions. I think that people are running out
• 1:16:46
  of excuses in the general discourse. They can't like keep throwing the blame at
• 1:16:51
  this or that, and it's getting to the point where it's really it just
• 1:16:55
  comes down to men and women, and I think everyone like on some level
• 1:16:58
  they know it, and they just are afraid to confront that reality. Mmmm.
• 1:17:04
  Okay, So what I was going to say is this. I think
• 1:17:09
  that the question of our age is to discover that our greatest resource and our
• 1:17:16
  greatest treasure is our relationships to each other. And it's going to have to
• 1:17:20
  start somehow with women realizing that that their relationships with men are valuable and not
• 1:17:31
  just this like Booty calls for the top five percent, Like a genuine relationship
• 1:17:38
  with a man is valuable and like that that's where the future lies. Anyway,
• 1:17:46
  I did my thank you, So let me see if there's any more.
• 1:17:48
  I got another superchow too. Oh you got another super chowld. I
• 1:17:51
  got another superchow yeah, so let me bringing us up. Richard Bierre gives
• 1:17:58
  us five dollars. Oh good at all fit. This is about the limit
• 1:18:00
  of the characters. In order to display it on the screen, I gives
• 1:18:03
  us five dollars and says, something to keep in mind is that the ideal
• 1:18:06
  of masculinity that it sounds like Band of Brothers is trying to promote is that
• 1:18:13
  of an effeminate male who is on board with getting pegged and doesn't object to
• 1:18:15
  his partner cooking him. So this would make Will Smith the peak example of
• 1:18:20
  what it means to be a proper man when he starts to wear nail polish
• 1:18:24
  and dress on an address on occasion. The math f the apples would be
• 1:18:30
  fifty five total apples to distribute to on each side, as ten plus nine
• 1:18:35
  plus eight plus seven plus six plus five plus four plus three plus two plus
• 1:18:39
  one equals fifty five. Okay, So I was right that there's but okay,
• 1:18:44
  yeah, okay, well I think that this and this in I don't
• 1:18:48
  even think that they want to do something as uh, they don't. I
• 1:18:53
  don't even think they want to promote that kind of even kind of any kind
• 1:18:57
  of relationship, even a relationship of cuckolding between men women. What these individuals
• 1:19:00
  seem to be, this initiative that has co opted the band of brothers or
• 1:19:04
  a band of brothers is simply a hydra ahead of it is they appear to
• 1:19:12
  just want to have men have nothing, men and boys have nothing. Let's
• 1:19:15
  be honest, when we talk about gender equality initiatives, we're essentially saying the
• 1:19:20
  initiative to make it so that men have no unique value to society, Like
• 1:19:27
  we don't recognize any unique value that men have. Like when they say we're
• 1:19:30
  against traditional masculinity, what they really say we're they're against is the recognition that
• 1:19:35
  traditionally men had some value to give to society. Because that value is not
• 1:19:43
  something that women by definition can give to society. And that is what they
• 1:19:47
  don't that that's what horrifies them. That's the ex distential crisis that they're in.
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  They cannot allow men to have their own unique value that women don't period
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  that they just cannot allow that. So what their initiatives do is to go
• 1:20:06
  out and give men and boys particularly young men, big bags of your nothing
• 1:20:15
  like you as a young man are nothing like you have nothing to give the
• 1:20:19
  world as a young man. And there's a fine distinction here because some people
• 1:20:25
  will be like, oh, but you know this young man could. But
• 1:20:28
  that's the focus on their individual contribution, which again they don't exclude women from.
• 1:20:35
  And in fact, they basically say that men have removed women's individual contributions
• 1:20:43
  to society in some way, they've hidden them or they've stolen them. Okay,
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  that is not a contribution to society that's recognized as a result of whatever
• 1:20:53
  unique thing masculinity is, and masculinity and manhood is unique, there are qualities
• 1:21:00
  to it that women do not have. And the ideologies that talk about gender
• 1:21:06
  equality in terms of removing any unique qualities that men give the world will recognize
• 1:21:13
  that there are unique things that men do when they're negative, and they'll misidentify
• 1:21:18
  them as criminal because that's negative, or they'll cast things that can also be
• 1:21:25
  positives as negatives, but only the positive, only the negatives can be attributed
• 1:21:29
  to men, not the positives, just the negatives. So for example,
• 1:21:32
  meritocracy, which they would term being callous so you don't give people things based
• 1:21:40
  on their need. You harden your heart to people in need, and you
• 1:21:43
  give things based on people's merit. Right, that's a meritocracy. You're not
• 1:21:48
  giving things to people because they need them, You're giving things to people because
• 1:21:51
  they've earned them. And they would point to that in the negative sense as
• 1:21:57
  being masculine. Oh, not care worrying about people in need, that's masculine.
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  But they wouldn't attribute the positive sense of that, which is constructing a
• 1:22:06
  meritocracy based on what people have earned and in the process earned for others.
• 1:22:13
  They won't recognize that as masculine, just the negative, which makes no sense
• 1:22:17
  if you think about it, but that's the way they roll. They don't
• 1:22:21
  want to recognize any unique value that masculinity brings. And because of that,
• 1:22:28
  these these initiatives are just handing young men big balls of nothing, big bags
• 1:22:31
  of nothing. And then they're they're they're basically saying, well, it seems
• 1:22:39
  like beyon men and boys are reacting badly to be told that they have we
• 1:22:43
  have no real social space for them, or they're no place for them as
• 1:22:46
  men and boys in society. Well let's tell them that more. And it's
• 1:22:51
  just like it's so counterproductive. Okay, we still have a bit more of
• 1:23:00
  the article, right, yeah, there is more. Let me see if
• 1:23:03
  I can I don't know, like the Daily Mail articles can get needlessly verbus
• 1:23:09
  more arm twisting. Uh a little bit. Okay, guys, Yeah,
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  saying, no, we need to help men and boys. We don't.
• 1:23:27
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  right, let's let's finish off the article. I think let's keep going here
• 1:24:00
  then. M hm. Someone who has rated as unattractive as a teenager may
• 1:24:06
  bloom later on for instance. Of course, this work is just one data
• 1:24:11
  point in a picture of how attractive people get along in the world. The
• 1:24:15
  studies authors point out that the specific measures they use to assess achievement could play
• 1:24:20
  a role in the results. They also note that the differences they observed are
• 1:24:26
  more complicated than just attractive versus unattractive. People rated as very attractive had worse
• 1:24:32
  outcomes than those simply labeled unattractive, So future researchers should note that these categories
• 1:24:41
  ought to be merged. But so very attractive people, let me just take
• 1:24:48
  a look at that again on youtaal, Yeah, so like the I guess
• 1:24:53
  the average is a little bit. So people who are rated very attractive,
• 1:24:59
  which I think is the highest, do a little bit worse. Then,
• 1:25:03
  well, do they do worse than people who are labeled unattractive, which is
• 1:25:08
  like not the lowest, but like towards the bottom. Mmm? Oh really
• 1:25:15
  that's really interesting. Yeah, well, I think it's like a bell curve
• 1:25:18
  thing, like maybe people who are yeah, I don't know, maybe people
• 1:25:23
  who are very attractive or men, because I don't know. It's just says
• 1:25:27
  people rated so maybe that includes women. Maybe they don't achieve as much because
• 1:25:31
  they get this sense that I mean, like again, it depends on how
• 1:25:35
  we're compiling the data, Like if we're just throwing it all together and coming
• 1:25:39
  up with an average, maybe people who are rated very attractive feel like they
• 1:25:45
  don't have to do as much, and so they don't do as well as
• 1:25:49
  people who are maybe like considered below attractive. I don't know. I don't
• 1:25:54
  know, but I do have two more another super chow and a super and
• 1:25:58
  a rumble rant, sorry, a rumble rant. So do you want to
• 1:26:04
  do you want me to read those? Or did you want to do something
• 1:26:06
  else? Have something to say? Should I look at the comments? Just
• 1:26:11
  I'm looking at the comments. They're basically just mocking the idea that men might
• 1:26:16
  have it rough, which is really weird because they're saying that, like,
• 1:26:20
  for example, this is our w y thirty nine are rated best I've I've
• 1:26:29
  I've ranked them by best rated. It's actually rather tough to deal with our
• 1:26:33
  rugged good looks day after day. No one really knows what we go through,
• 1:26:36
  getting ogle by the ladies in the office, restaurants, or even just
• 1:26:40
  walking down the streets. Have some compassion. It's like, well, it's
• 1:26:44
  not really about the way that feminists complain because the actually the tough world is
• 1:26:50
  not easy being a man. Women should stop objectifying men. Well maybe they
• 1:26:55
  should, considering that fifty percent of young men call it in college and high
• 1:27:00
  school say that they've been sexually aggressed against nine of them by women. You
• 1:27:08
  know, I know, but he's they're they're being sarcastic, right, yeah.
• 1:27:13
  Oh and L. L. V Ellie says, we will try to
• 1:27:15
  control ourselves because you know, women never do anything lude to men. Yeah,
• 1:27:24
  Okay, that's just ridiculous, all right, Uh all right, this
• 1:27:30
  is just typical normy crap. Yeah, norm it's normy shit. So okay,
• 1:27:34
  I got a super chat a super child rather and a looks like uh
• 1:27:44
  rumble rant. So Richard Bierre gives us five dollars and says reason that a
• 1:27:48
  decimation of men maintaining the infrastructure that keeps civilized society running is easily carried out
• 1:27:55
  by the benevolent but benevolently, which is is likely already operational, and it
• 1:28:01
  is only waiting for men to get out of the way before it takes over
• 1:28:04
  the workload. Something along the lines in Diva Holma Russian for two hills,
• 1:28:13
  those boobs where only after the majority of men are gone will the AI actually
• 1:28:17
  start to do anything at all. My question is why the AI has to
• 1:28:21
  wait if it can do something right now, though, is it being oppressed
• 1:28:25
  by men who want to keep working. I don't have an answer to that
• 1:28:30
  question. We'll thank you. I don't have an answer to that because I
• 1:28:32
  don't even know if this AI exists. Yeah, I don't know either,
• 1:28:36
  because the is that an AI is not like the infrastructure, jobs that keep
• 1:28:43
  society running require a certain type. I honestly don't think AI is going to
• 1:28:47
  be able to No, I don't think so either. I think the well,
• 1:28:50
  let me put it this way. Uh, the white collar jobs are
• 1:28:55
  going to go first, So that's gonna be women's jobs and creatives. Yeah,
• 1:28:59
  creative job maybe maybe I think that's potentially because like, I don't know,
• 1:29:03
  maybe you might be right. I know that there's like still some creative
• 1:29:10
  things that people want from a human being. Like I've I've been looking at
• 1:29:15
  a lot of AI art and what I've noticed is it's all starting to look
• 1:29:17
  very much the same. So maybe somebody will want a human hand. But
• 1:29:21
  yeah, I think that creative stuff is in danger. But I think the
• 1:29:26
  first thing to go is going to be the kind of monotonous you know,
• 1:29:30
  data entry, Yeah, bureaucratic, white collar stuff that mostly women do.
• 1:29:36
  I think that's gonna be the first. And yeah, and then like things
• 1:29:42
  like labor and farming and all that, I think those will probably be the
• 1:29:45
  last to go. And the reason why is because they're based on a kind
• 1:29:49
  of intelligence that it's actually very difficult to replicate. People, I think overestimate
• 1:29:55
  what AI can do. But there's a there's a form of intelligence that's based
• 1:30:00
  literally on having a physical body, a physical human body, and haptics and
• 1:30:06
  a haptic system which includes your sense of touch as well as your sense of
• 1:30:10
  balance and your awareness of yourself in the environment. And you'll notice that when
• 1:30:15
  you look at AI art, it doesn't it doesn't have an inherent understanding of
• 1:30:21
  all of that, right, I don't know if you've know. It does
• 1:30:27
  not have the sense of the body that you can see in human art.
• 1:30:30
  Now, sometimes there's like clonky or amateurist human art that doesn't know how to
• 1:30:34
  convey the sense of the body in in a two D space. But for
• 1:30:42
  the most part, like you can learn that as a person, like you
• 1:30:46
  can learn to illustrate. Any human being can learn to be an illustrator because
• 1:30:53
  it's just a matter of time, and it's because you have that inherent ability
• 1:30:57
  to understand how bodies move. And I don't know, AI art just doesn't.
• 1:31:03
  Like if you watch the AI videos though, some of them are just
• 1:31:09
  they're just choosing the weirdest ones like Trump eats spaghetti. Yeah, I know,
• 1:31:13
  I've seen that. It doesn't understand contunity, Like, it doesn't understand
• 1:31:18
  like that's why they always look like weird, like trippy dreams, Yeah they
• 1:31:24
  look yeah, they look like it's when uh, I mean really, when
• 1:31:29
  you think about it, when you're dreaming that you are actually literally paral like
• 1:31:32
  your body paralyzes you so you don't act out your dreams. So that sense
• 1:31:38
  of your body is gone, right, It's that that working sense, that
• 1:31:43
  working haptic sense is gone, and that's what manufactures these bizarre like boundaryless dreams.
• 1:31:50
  And but but you know, when you're conscious, you you can consciously
• 1:31:56
  access that intelligence, and I don't think AI is going to be able to
• 1:32:01
  replicate that for the simple reason is that understand the understanding of that form of
• 1:32:06
  intelligence is it's in its infancy. We don't even understand it. How are
• 1:32:13
  we going to replicate it? You know? Yeah, so there are things
• 1:32:16
  that I don't think AI is ever going to be able to do. And
• 1:32:20
  I like it's well, yeah, I think the human brain is far more
• 1:32:26
  complex. Oh yeah, the most advanced computer we've created. It's it's like
• 1:32:30
  beyond that. But I do have another rumble, a rumble rant from Dharamuth.
• 1:32:34
  He gives us ten dollars and just says, because I like you guys,
• 1:32:39
  so thank you, Darth. I'm pronouncing that raw. That's sweet.
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  have anything else? The Pale Moonlight? Remember that? Yeah? American Tale?
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  Oh yeah you remember that? Yeah? Yes, you know that was
• 1:33:12
  basically about Jews fleeing like Soviet Russia. What I thought it was Jews fleeing
• 1:33:20
  Nazis like the cats. No, no, they well they were fleeing.
• 1:33:24
  They were fleeing Russia. But I think it was I think it was Soviet
• 1:33:27
  Russia, and they were like they but they they don't really say it explicitly,
• 1:33:30
  but we know that they live in Russia, and we know that they're
• 1:33:33
  Jews, and we know they're coming to America. So I mean, I
• 1:33:40
  saw it like not that long ago because I'm working on a children's book and
• 1:33:44
  so I'm looking at animation, specifically mice animation. So I've been watching a
• 1:33:48
  lot of animated movies that have mice in it, which is a surprising number.
• 1:33:54
  Like you know, like American Tale, I have to see the sequel.
• 1:33:59
  I never saw it before, but American The Secretive Nim is one of
• 1:34:02
  my favorites. I love the Secret Name. Although that's a weird movie,
• 1:34:05
  like it's the weirdest concept. It's another one of those movies that can if
• 1:34:11
  you watch it as a kid. Seriously. Yeah, and all the ones
• 1:34:14
  like Cinderella has mice in it and the Rescuers and the Rescuers down under the
• 1:34:21
  Great Mouse Detective. There's lots of great example. So yeah, anyway,
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