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The Kenny Report | 24 August · The Kenny Report

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Speaker 1: This is the Kenny Report.
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Speaker 2: Thanks for joining me for another week here on the
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Speaker 2: Kenny Report. Tonight, some exclusive new insights from my new documentary,
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Speaker 2: The Fight for the Right, Pauline Hanson's focus on Islamist extremism,
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Speaker 2: and One Nation's confusion on immigration. I'll speak to a
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Speaker 2: visiting guest born in Syria who calls herself a reformed
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Speaker 2: Andy Semite. Live to London and you won't believe the
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Speaker 2: advice being given to asylum seekers there. And Gemytoniini and
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Speaker 2: Caroline Russo, let's get cracking. The number one issue driving
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Speaker 2: the rise of Pauline Hanson and One Nation is immigration.
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Speaker 2: There's no doubt about that. And One Nation's confusion over
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Speaker 2: immigration is driving the news agenda today. Well, I'm about
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Speaker 2: to give you an exclusive insight into how fraught this
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Speaker 2: could be for One Nation. Interviews conducted for my documentary
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Speaker 2: airing tomorrow night show. The first one name politician elected
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Speaker 2: into the House of Representatives under that banner, David Farley,
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Speaker 2: did so by reassuring his community that he wouldn't reduce
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Speaker 2: the supply of immigrants to his area. The controversy erupted
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Speaker 2: yesterday when Farley appeared on the ABC and said, rather
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Speaker 2: than almost have net overseas migration or the NOM from
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Speaker 2: Labour's promise of two hundred and thirty thousand or so
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Speaker 2: to one hundred and thirty thousand people, one nation would
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Speaker 2: end up with a similar number of immigrants to labor.
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Speaker 2: Have a look at this exchange.
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Speaker 3: Now, on top of the KNOM, of course, we've got
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Speaker 3: all the other programs that we run. The PALM program
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Speaker 3: which is important to my electric Parah, the skilled registered
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Speaker 3: age care nurses, etc.
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Speaker 1: Are all very.
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Speaker 3: Important, and backpackers too will in backpackers play a role.
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Speaker 3: What we're doing is we're focusing on the non in
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Speaker 3: its true form, and then we've got these programs that
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Speaker 3: have been available now for over a decade the drive
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Speaker 3: our economy.
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Speaker 4: And so how many would that end up being?
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Speaker 3: Oh, well, if you take you just took the PALM
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Speaker 3: program in itself, that's about forty thousand a year. You
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Speaker 3: take the skilled age care nurses probably seventy sixty eight
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Speaker 3: to seventy thousand a year. Then you come down into
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Speaker 3: the technical sides of mechanics and engineering. Again there's quite
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Speaker 3: some numbers there. Plus backpackers as well.
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Speaker 5: Well.
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Speaker 3: They're have would to say they're there, but there are
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Speaker 3: on the shallow end of tenure.
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Speaker 4: So potentially an extra hundred thousand on top of the
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Speaker 4: one hundred and thirty thousand. Yeah, it's one hundred and
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Speaker 4: thirty thousand plus one hundred thousand.
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Speaker 3: It's one hundred. Yeah, a minimum of one hundred, but
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Speaker 3: one hundred and thirty thousand is what we call the
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Speaker 3: true non right.
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Speaker 4: But you're saying it needs to be one hundred and
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Speaker 4: thirty thousand non plus about one hundred.
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Speaker 3: Thousand more, Yeah, at a minimum.
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Speaker 4: Effectively, if you're talking about a number of two hundred
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Speaker 4: and twenty or thirty or forty thousand, is it that
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Speaker 4: different to the government's objective here. I know they're not there, yes,
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Speaker 4: but they want to get it down to two twenty five.
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Speaker 3: I think the big difference is we're focusing on what
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Speaker 3: are the skills we need as a nation, where do
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Speaker 3: we need these migrants to be?
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Speaker 4: But the raw number, the raw number is not too different.
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Speaker 3: Well, the raw numbers not too different.
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Speaker 2: Well, that looks like a major problem for Pauline Hanson
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Speaker 2: had a party because cutting immigration is their central promise.
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Speaker 2: So in damage control, Hansen took to social media to
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Speaker 2: reaffirm the one hundred and thirty thousand figure and promise
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Speaker 2: one nation's intake would be less than half of Labour's
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Speaker 2: current rate and one nation star recruit. Barnaby Joyce tried
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Speaker 2: to clarify the policy this morning.
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Speaker 6: Well, it's one hundred and thirty net. We've been saying
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Speaker 6: it all It's one hundred and thirty net if you're
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Speaker 6: in Australia for twelve months or less out of sixteen.
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Speaker 6: A lot of visa holders are, that's not included in
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Speaker 6: the non so, but that's when no one's.
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Speaker 1: Arguing about palm workers. But it is not. It is
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Speaker 1: one hundred and thirty thousand. We've been saying it all along.
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Speaker 5: It's one hundred and thirty thousand.
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Speaker 6: It's one hundred and thirty thousands, one hundred and thirty
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Speaker 6: thousand net overseas migration.
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Speaker 5: Fair enough.
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Speaker 2: So why did Farley say it was that plus at
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Speaker 2: least another hundred thousand people. Well, Barnaby reckons FARLEI just
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Speaker 2: made a mistake.
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Speaker 7: Okay, So he was just wrong saying there'd be an
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Speaker 7: extra hundred.
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Speaker 1: There's not going to be an extra hundred on top.
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Speaker 8: Of that night, okay, So he just misspoke.
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Speaker 6: Yeah, well, I mean that's not unusual. Shown you a
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Speaker 6: political career where people haven't made, you know, made a mistake,
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Speaker 6: and I'll show you a person is don't talk the truth.
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Speaker 5: And that might well be so.
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Speaker 2: But when we traveled into Farley's electorate of Farah to
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Speaker 2: shoot our News twenty four documentary The Fight for the Right,
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Speaker 2: we looked very closely at the immigration paradox.
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Speaker 5: As I've shown you before in this preview from the doco,
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Speaker 5: this whole area has been built by immigrants exactly exactly,
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Speaker 5: So why would.
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Speaker 2: They vote for one nation if it's any immigration when
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Speaker 2: the whole of this area has been the Griffith area has.
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Speaker 5: Really been built up by immigrant families.
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Speaker 9: Yeah, I think it's because there's too many coming in
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Speaker 9: and I think it's pres sure on everyone, including as
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Speaker 9: normal Australians, and I think it should be regulated like
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Speaker 9: it was before.
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Speaker 2: In fact, in Pharaoh, we found that even some of
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Speaker 2: Farley's leading supporters supported localized immigration.
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Speaker 10: Have we got the right type of immigration, the right
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Speaker 10: levels of immigration coming into the country, And no immigration
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Speaker 10: is a problem in the cities, it's not a problem
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Speaker 10: in the country areas country.
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Speaker 1: Is we need them.
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Speaker 5: We need the labor.
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Speaker 10: We need the labor, we need the immigrants.
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Speaker 2: And given the controversy that's now arisen, I thought it
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Speaker 2: might be worth showing you more of that interview, a
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Speaker 2: section that didn't make it into the documentary that sheds
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Speaker 2: new light on David Farley's position.
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Speaker 10: What about immigration, Well, one of the problems I never
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Speaker 10: support Dave Farley. I never committed to the campaign because
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Speaker 10: of my concern about immigration, because the lasting Griffith needs
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Speaker 10: the restriction and immigration policy. But David Farley spoke about
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Speaker 10: this publicly endorsed large, large immigration for this very reason.
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Speaker 10: So I don't have a problem with David Farley's view
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Speaker 10: of the world and whether he can change, you know,
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Speaker 10: as long as this area is not hurt by it
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Speaker 10: by changing immigration.
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Speaker 5: That's interesting. That's interesting.
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Speaker 2: You voted one nation, but you're worried that they would
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Speaker 2: cut too hard against immigration.
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Speaker 10: And David Farley is well aware of it, and he've
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Speaker 10: talked about in his campaign. He raised this issue, and
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Speaker 10: I would like to think that David will change the debate. Okay,
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Speaker 10: within one nation as well, but certainly because you can't
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Speaker 10: have this one fits all policy. Immigration is a problem
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Speaker 10: in the cities it's not a problem in the country areas.
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Speaker 1: Country is we need.
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Speaker 10: The imagy, the labor we need, we need the immigrants.
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Speaker 2: So that's what one prominent local businessman thought Farley offered
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Speaker 2: through One Nation and listen. That also to the view
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Speaker 2: Farley put to us in Pharah too. He was very
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Speaker 2: keen to say that one nation is not anti immigration.
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Speaker 2: This area was built by immigrant and still uses a
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Speaker 2: lot of immigrant labor. So isn't one nation's anti immigration
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Speaker 2: stance a threat to it?
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Speaker 3: You know you're going to put that in context. One
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Speaker 3: nation is not anti immigration. One nations about right immigration.
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Speaker 3: We had immigration between the laws and after the Wars
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Speaker 3: we got immigration right. We got people who roved in
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Speaker 3: Australia with aspiration and they were asking themselves what can
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Speaker 3: I do for this country. We're get a a of
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Speaker 3: a problem at the moment because we've got immigration with
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Speaker 3: people arriving saying what can I take from this country?
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Speaker 3: And that's not good for this nation. If immigration is
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Speaker 3: an issue, talk to the local immigrants here, the immigrant
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Speaker 3: families of generation on generation. They get their view on it.
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Speaker 3: Their view is you've got to get immigration right. We
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Speaker 3: had it right when we arrived. You haven't got it
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Speaker 3: right now, so get it right.
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Speaker 5: So there you go.
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Speaker 2: There is an argument about numbers and whether they can
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Speaker 2: be delivered, and Farley might well have got that wrong.
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Speaker 2: But what's absolutely clear is that while One Nation and
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Speaker 2: Pauline Hanson are surging in the polls on an anti
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Speaker 2: immigration push, Farley in Farah has been pushing a different
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Speaker 2: narrative pro immigration for the regions. This is an important
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Speaker 2: debate for the nation and it's volatile for politics, as
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Speaker 2: you can see with both Labor and the Coalition zeroing
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Speaker 2: in on an apparent one Nation stumble.
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Speaker 11: What it really has shown over the last couple of
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Speaker 11: days is that One Nation, if there's one policy they've
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Speaker 11: spoken about over the thirty years that Paul Enhanssen has
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Speaker 11: been active in politics, as migration, they can't even get
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Speaker 11: a policy on that.
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Speaker 12: We we saw the newly minted One Nation MPSA it
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Speaker 12: was going to be over.
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Speaker 5: Two hundred and thirty thousand.
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Speaker 12: So frankly they're going to make up their minds where
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Speaker 12: they said on all of this, they're all.
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Speaker 5: Over the shop.
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Speaker 2: There's no doubt that One Nation has changed the national
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Speaker 2: debate and brought immigration policy into the national spotlight. This
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Speaker 2: has helped to push both Labor and the Coalition to
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Speaker 2: stronger immigration policies. One nation has been consistent on this
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Speaker 2: issue for years. Only now as it surges in the
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Speaker 2: polls and talks about being a governing party. Only now
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Speaker 2: is it being put under pressure about the details. And
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Speaker 2: that means it's crucial that one nation has one policy,
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Speaker 2: not two or more. In a moment, I'll show you
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Speaker 2: some more groundbreaking material from the documentary related to Pauline
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Speaker 2: Hansen and her determination to tackle Islamist extremism.
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Speaker 5: It's highly relevant, of.
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Speaker 2: Course, because of the current debate about the Royal Commission
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Speaker 2: into Anti Semitism and Social Cohesion. Last week, I was
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Speaker 2: pretty forthright in my criticism of the Royal Commission, set
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Speaker 2: up in the wake of the Bondai massacre. Of course,
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Speaker 2: it worries me greatly that this inquiry is missing a
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Speaker 2: couple of crucial points. First up is the rise of
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Speaker 2: Islamists extremism and how it's just not being tackled diligently enough.
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Speaker 2: This is something I've highlighted time and again over many
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Speaker 2: many years. It worries me deeply that this commission has
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Speaker 2: not called hate preachers like Shaik Ibrahim de Doune and
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Speaker 2: the others who celebrated the October the seventh massacre on
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Speaker 2: Sydney Streets in twenty twenty three, or the protesters who
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Speaker 2: chanted f the Jews and wears the Jews at the
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Speaker 2: Opera House. It's astounding these people have not been called
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Speaker 2: to the Royal Commission and questioned why would a Royal
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Speaker 2: Commission not examine this hatred and ask where it comes
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Speaker 2: from and what it aspires to deliver. Instead, the Commission
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Speaker 2: seems to have almost ignored this aspect. And this is
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Speaker 2: where Pauline Hansen comes in. Listen to this exchange from
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Speaker 2: the Fight for the Right. You tolerant of any specific
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Speaker 2: group of people, I really.
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Speaker 13: Am intolerant of radical Islam, I really am. I don't
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Speaker 13: like what they stand for. I don't like suppression of women.
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Speaker 13: I do not like child marriages, I don't like pedophilia,
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Speaker 13: I don't like multiple marriages. I don't like women as
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Speaker 13: second class citizens. And these are all things that the feminists.
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Speaker 7: Of this nation.
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Speaker 13: You think they'd be up there fighting for them. And
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Speaker 13: cricket sets all here.
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Speaker 2: That's from the DOCCO to Tomorrow night at seven. You'll
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Speaker 2: find that the Bondai massacre has been a critical event
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Speaker 2: in the rise of one nation.
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Speaker 5: Now.
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Speaker 2: The other aspect that worries me about the Royal Commission
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Speaker 2: is that it seems to have avoided, avoided the countless
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Speaker 2: repeated and loud warnings to governments and authorities about the
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Speaker 2: rising tired of due hatred long before it manifested itself
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Speaker 2: at bond This was the prime focus of my own
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Speaker 2: submission to the Royal Commission. I didn't want the Commission
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Speaker 2: or the government to be able to say they weren't
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Speaker 2: warned when some of us were pleading for stronger action
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Speaker 2: from October the eighth, twenty twenty three onwards. But the
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Speaker 2: Commission seems to seems keen to avoid any witnesses who
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Speaker 2: might call out the government, who might embarrass the authorities.
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Speaker 2: That's why it needs to be extended, and it needs
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Speaker 2: to hear from many, many more witnesses. Today it heard
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Speaker 2: from the Melbourne Lord Mayor of all people, our mate
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Speaker 2: Nicholas Ries, a good bloke, to be sure, but a
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Speaker 2: labor man through and through. Would he call out the
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Speaker 2: impotence and culpability of labor governments in tackling due hatred?
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Speaker 5: I think not.
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Speaker 2: The Commission needs to hear from people whose warnings were ignored,
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Speaker 2: and it needs to interrograte interrogate the Prime Minister over
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Speaker 2: why he did so little despite all those warning. But
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Speaker 2: one labor man today has stood tall. New South Wales
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Speaker 2: Premier Chris Mins has endorsed calls to extend the Royal Commission.
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Speaker 14: Given the expense and time that's gone into the Royal
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Speaker 14: Commission and the fact that we're not going to have
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Speaker 14: another one at least for a long period of time,
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Speaker 14: and we are using this Royal Commission to get to
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Speaker 14: the fundamental truths of what happened on the day and
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Speaker 14: also what happened in the lead up to that day,
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Speaker 14: particularly around anti Semitism. I'm hopeful that it will speak
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Speaker 14: to as large a number of people as possible and
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Speaker 14: genuinely get the perspective of the community. Now, if we
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Speaker 14: need to go a couple of weeks longer, given that
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Speaker 14: most of the expense was spent setting it up, that
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Speaker 14: would seem to be money well spent.
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Speaker 5: Well it.
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Speaker 2: It might need to go a lot longer than that,
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Speaker 2: but at least this political leader seems to be putting
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Speaker 2: his responsibility to the community above party political considerations. Compare
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Speaker 2: that to our Prime Minister, who will do all he
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Speaker 2: can seemingly to avoid mentioning radical Islam or Islamist extremism,
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Speaker 2: even when he's asked about the Royal Commission.
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Speaker 11: I'll allow the Royal Commission to do its work. It's
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Speaker 11: an important work that it's undertaking, and anti Semitism has
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Speaker 11: no place in Australian society. The rise of to go
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Speaker 11: to another issue, the presence of Neo Nazis in Australia
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Speaker 11: I find just extraordinary in twenty twenty six and on
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Speaker 11: he went.
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Speaker 2: He kept on going on about Neo Nazis. Now, Neo
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Speaker 2: Nazis are intolerable. Sure we don't want them, and if
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Speaker 2: they break the law, we want them arrested. But they're
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Speaker 2: hardly the prime issue here or the main threat. We know,
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Speaker 2: the major threat to social cohesion in this country and
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Speaker 2: the main terrorist threat come from Islamist extremism. How can
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Speaker 2: Anthony Albanezi tackle it if he isn't even prepared to
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Speaker 2: talk about it.
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Speaker 5: If this Royal.
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Speaker 2: Commission is as weak as our Prime Minister, it will
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Speaker 2: have been a complete waste of time. Let me just
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Speaker 2: make sure you know about some prestigious awards that have
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Speaker 2: gone to News twenty four and our very own Shari Markson.
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Speaker 2: Shari has taken out Outstanding Nightly Television Current Affairs Award
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Speaker 2: and the Outstanding Television News Reporting Awards at the Kennedy
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Speaker 2: Awards for Journalism. As you know, Sharry's coverage of the
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Speaker 2: horrendous Bondai massacre on the night was heart wrenching, brave
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Speaker 2: and brilliant, and ever since on her program she's been
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Speaker 2: all over the fallout and the repercussions, not to mention
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Speaker 2: her coverage of anti Semitism in the years leading up
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Speaker 2: to the attack and since, and of course her stellar
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Speaker 2: documentary Bondai, A Timeline of Terror. Incredibly, that documentary didn't win.
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Speaker 2: They gave the award for the Documentary to an ABC
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Speaker 2: four Corners episode that actually played down the loud and
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Speaker 2: repeated warnings about due hatred leading up to Bondai, and
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Speaker 2: they didn't have the insights from so many victims that
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Speaker 2: Shari's docos did.
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Speaker 5: Look journalism awards are usually political.
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Speaker 2: They usually reflect the green left ideological preferences of the
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Speaker 2: journo's union, But now and again, journalism is so obviously
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Speaker 2: compelling that they can't ignore it, which is why Shari
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Speaker 2: won those two awards and should win plenty more. Well,
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Speaker 2: let's try and get the cold hard facts on immigration.
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Speaker 2: Hey judged on recent history by a non political expert,
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Speaker 2: what governments have promised on net overseas migration or the
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Speaker 2: nom has not matched reality in the past.
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Speaker 5: Back in twenty two twenty three, we were.
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Speaker 2: Supposed to get two hundred and thirty five thousand people,
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Speaker 2: but ended up with three hundredred thousand on top of that,
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Speaker 2: more than double.
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Speaker 5: And the following year we.
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Speaker 2: Were promised three hundred and fifteen thousand net additional people,
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Speaker 2: but got more than another one hundred thousand on top
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Speaker 2: of that. And even last year total arrivals were almost
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Speaker 2: fifty thousand higher than promised. So I asked economist and
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Speaker 2: immigration expert Leith van Onsulom where that governments are just
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Speaker 2: not capable of managing immigration to the extent they promise.
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Speaker 12: Yeah, well it certainly seems that way. So at the
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Speaker 12: moment we have about three hundred thousand more migrants in
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Speaker 12: the country than we would have had have we followed
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Speaker 12: the pre pandemic trend. So what that means is, you know,
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Speaker 12: often we hear that Australia's had migration catch up. They
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Speaker 12: will say, you know, migration went negative during the pandemic,
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Speaker 12: we're just simply catching up. That's actually not true. So
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Speaker 12: if actually look at the numbers, we've got about three
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Speaker 12: hundred thousand more migrants in Australia right now then we
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Speaker 12: would have had if we simply follow the pre pandemic trend.
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Speaker 12: So yes, it's been very high migration and it's averaged
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Speaker 12: roughly eleven hundred per day under the Albanese government.
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Speaker 2: So given the way the Albanesi government's migration numbers have
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Speaker 2: far exceeded their promises or their estimates each year, they're
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Speaker 2: telling us that in the current year they'll bring net
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Speaker 2: overseas migration down to about two hundred and thirty thousand people.
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Speaker 5: Is there any chance that they would meet that target?
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Speaker 12: Yeah, I'm not optimistic, purely because they've obviously missed the
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Speaker 12: targets pretty much every single year since they've been in office,
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Speaker 12: and so I don't think they'll hit that, but I'm
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Speaker 12: always hopeful. But what I will say that is good, Chris,
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Speaker 12: is that the open and window and immigration has been
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Speaker 12: completely open. So what I mean by that is, you know,
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Speaker 12: a few years ago, you may or anyone else if
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Speaker 12: we discussed this, who were painted with a brush of
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Speaker 12: being racist or whatever. Now we have all three major
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Speaker 12: parties discuss discussing lower immigration. Obviously, Home Affairs Minister Tony
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Speaker 12: Burke didn't front the National Press Club a few weeks
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Speaker 12: but clearly labor is looking at way is to cut
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Speaker 12: net overseas migration. The Coalition is also trying to compete
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Speaker 12: in this space as our one nation. So I think
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Speaker 12: we are going to get lower immigration in the period
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Speaker 12: ahead and that's a good thing. And I think Australia
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Speaker 12: would really just copy Canada's approach. Canada made similar mistakes
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Speaker 12: with migration following the pandemic that had a huge increase.
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Speaker 12: But the left leaning Trudeau government in Canada, they're now
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Speaker 12: the Carne government, they saw the error in their ways
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Speaker 12: and they actually significantly cut immigration as a result. Canada's
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Speaker 12: had a declining population of about one hundred and eighty
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Speaker 12: thousand in the most recent year, and it's basically solving
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Speaker 12: their rental crisis. They had a similar rental crisis to US,
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Speaker 12: but now Canadian rents have fallen for twenty two consecutive
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Speaker 12: months and it's working for Canada, and I think the
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Speaker 12: Albanese government should simply get on the phone call Mark Kearney,
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Speaker 12: the Canadian Prime Minister, and ask what they did and
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Speaker 12: try and emulate it.
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Speaker 5: All.
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Speaker 2: Right, Well, one nation now say that they would like
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Speaker 2: to introduce a net overseas migration total of one hundred
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Speaker 2: and thirty thousand people annually. Is that achievable or is
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Speaker 2: it the case as David Farley has said. You'd have
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Speaker 2: that as a net overseas migration figure, and you'd have
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Speaker 2: extra places, perhaps one hundred thousand on top of that
20:13
Speaker 2: for what temporary migration or for temporary workers.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, look, it's absolutely achievable.
20:20
Speaker 12: If you go back between the start of this entry,
20:23
Speaker 12: the first five years between two thousand and the end
20:25
Speaker 12: of twenty twenty four, then overseas migration averaged just under
20:29
Speaker 12: one hundred and fifteen thousand. So one hundred and thirty
20:31
Speaker 12: thousand isn't a ridiculously low level. It's sort of the
20:35
Speaker 12: normal level of migration before we had this massive twenty
20:38
Speaker 12: year ramp up. And I'd argue the economy was far
20:41
Speaker 12: stronger back in the early two thousands.
20:42
Speaker 1: We had much higher.
20:43
Speaker 12: Productivity growth than we do now, and let's be honest, Chris.
20:47
Speaker 12: We've had twenty one years of this insanely large migration
20:50
Speaker 12: and it hasn't solved skills shortages, it hasn't improved the
20:53
Speaker 12: nation's productivity. It's crushloaded housing, has crush loaded infrastructure. So
20:57
Speaker 12: we can certainly do it. And in fact, if if
21:00
Speaker 12: we simply reduce the stock of temporary migrants back to
21:03
Speaker 12: what it was in twenty nineteen, so it's currently about
21:05
Speaker 12: two point six million if you exclude tourists, if we
21:08
Speaker 12: got back to one point nine million, we'd actually have
21:10
Speaker 12: several years of negative net overseas migration, which is similar
21:14
Speaker 12: to what Canada has experienced. And then once we've done
21:17
Speaker 12: that reset back to a more normal level of temping migration,
21:20
Speaker 12: we can then reset the permanent migrant intake to about
21:23
Speaker 12: one hundred and thirty thousand, or try and set net
21:26
Speaker 12: overseas migration to average one hundred and thirty thousand, which
21:28
Speaker 12: again was the sort of normal level in the early
21:31
Speaker 12: two thousands.
21:32
Speaker 1: So it's all entirely doable.
21:34
Speaker 5: Yeah, so it's entirely achievable.
21:36
Speaker 2: But was David Farley wrong then to say that you
21:38
Speaker 2: would have to have more migration on top of that
21:42
Speaker 2: to make agriculture and the like sustainable, or you're saying
21:45
Speaker 2: that that would be sustainable within that total of one
21:48
Speaker 2: hundred and thirty thousand.
21:49
Speaker 1: Absolutely would be.
21:50
Speaker 12: I mean, certainly we need to cut the skilled migrant
21:53
Speaker 12: intake roughly Harvard, but focus on genuine skills, not these
21:57
Speaker 12: sort of fake skills. We'd obviously have to cut the
22:00
Speaker 12: temporary migration system by cracking down the students, graduates, the
22:04
Speaker 12: bridging visa scams, all that sort of thing. We'd also
22:06
Speaker 12: need to get rid of some ridiculous visas streams, like
22:09
Speaker 12: aged parent visas where we bring in old people that
22:12
Speaker 12: cost the taxpayer fie hundred thousand dollars a year. But
22:14
Speaker 12: the other thing I think where David Falley was wrong
22:16
Speaker 12: is that working holidaymakers, which I assume that's who he's
22:19
Speaker 12: talking about, like the agricultural workers, most of them aren't
22:22
Speaker 12: counted in their overseas migration because to be counted there,
22:25
Speaker 12: you have to be in the country for twelve months
22:27
Speaker 12: or more in a sixteen month period, and those visas
22:29
Speaker 12: are typically for one year, so most of them don't
22:32
Speaker 12: stay for a year. Therefore they're not coundidates in overseas migration.
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Speaker 5: Great to talk to you, Leith, appreciate it.
22:38
Speaker 1: Yeah, thanks Chris anytime.
22:40
Speaker 2: Let's now get the coalition perspective on this, and I'm
22:43
Speaker 2: joined by Dave Sharma, the Shadow Assistant Minister for Citizenship.
22:46
Speaker 5: Thanks for joining us, Dave quest who's right on the
22:48
Speaker 5: immigration numbers?
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Speaker 2: Is it Pauline Hanson to say that one nation could
22:52
Speaker 2: get it down to the nom down to one hundred
22:54
Speaker 2: and thirty thousand, or David Farley, who are MP who
22:57
Speaker 2: says you need one hundred thousand on top of that?
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Speaker 15: I think this shows that they haven't really thought through
23:03
Speaker 15: the policy yet. I mean, we don't actually know what
23:05
Speaker 15: their number is. On someion versions of their policy, we'd
23:10
Speaker 15: actually have net emigration that's more people leaving Australia than
23:13
Speaker 15: coming in. On some versions, we'd have a number that's
23:16
Speaker 15: not dissimilar to what Labor's running now. Now we've been
23:19
Speaker 15: clear as the coalition we want net overseas migration lower,
23:23
Speaker 15: we want it tied to housing approvals and housing completions,
23:26
Speaker 15: and we want to prioritize skills in industries where Australia
23:30
Speaker 15: needs skills.
23:31
Speaker 2: Now, Augus Taylor hasn't put a figure on that desired
23:34
Speaker 2: net overseas migration. But Andrew Bragg has and it says
23:38
Speaker 2: when you look at the housing situation, that would bring
23:40
Speaker 2: it down to about one hundred and eighty thousand.
23:43
Speaker 5: The sort of number we're talking about from the coalition.
23:45
Speaker 15: Well, I think we're talking a number that's less than
23:47
Speaker 15: two hundred thousand. I think Angus Taylor's been clear on that.
23:50
Speaker 15: But I mean this shows why you need to do
23:53
Speaker 15: some of the detailed work. What we're seeing with one nation.
23:55
Speaker 15: I mean, these have depending on the migration stream you're targeting,
23:58
Speaker 15: they have different economic impacts, they have different budgetary impacts,
24:01
Speaker 15: they have different sexual impacts. So we want to go
24:04
Speaker 15: through and be quite careful about making sure that industries
24:07
Speaker 15: aren't disadvantage because of this. And we've already seen the
24:10
Speaker 15: nationals come out about backpackers because they provide a source
24:13
Speaker 15: of important temporary labor. We've also got the New Zealand inflows,
24:17
Speaker 15: which is not really you know, we don't control because
24:19
Speaker 15: they have free movement at people, but they count in
24:21
Speaker 15: net overseas migration. So it's actually a fair bit of
24:24
Speaker 15: work to work through the detail on this. We will
24:26
Speaker 15: have all that detail done, we will release the figure
24:29
Speaker 15: and it will be fully costed and there won't be
24:31
Speaker 15: any confusion about that appropos.
24:32
Speaker 2: Then the question will be how can you actually deliver it,
24:35
Speaker 2: because we've seen over recent years labor promise a projected
24:39
Speaker 2: net overseas migration figure and miss it by.
24:42
Speaker 5: As much as one hundred percent.
24:44
Speaker 15: Well that's because a lot of the schemes that Labour's
24:46
Speaker 15: presided over a demand driven. Now there are parts because
24:49
Speaker 15: of international obligations. So as I said New Zealand, we
24:52
Speaker 15: can't control the number of New Zealanders that move here
24:54
Speaker 15: under that, but a number of the working holiday maker.
24:57
Speaker 15: These are schemes we can put control depending on the
25:00
Speaker 15: level of the agram. But also the skilled migration, the
25:03
Speaker 15: family reunion I mean we can, and the humanitarian intake.
25:06
Speaker 15: Those are all things that the government can control and
25:08
Speaker 15: they can put a finite number on it. And once
25:10
Speaker 15: that visa category is all taken for the year, that's it.
25:13
Speaker 15: You know, the Home Affairs doesn an issue anymore.
25:15
Speaker 2: I want to switch to the Bondai Royal Commission. I
25:19
Speaker 2: think you have a couple of areas of expertise that
25:22
Speaker 2: are really pertinent here. One as a former diplomat and
25:24
Speaker 2: former Australian Ambassador to Israel.
25:26
Speaker 5: You're across the security issues.
25:28
Speaker 2: But also used to be the member for Wentworth, so
25:30
Speaker 2: you know the area and the community.
25:32
Speaker 5: Intimately.
25:33
Speaker 2: Your submission to the Royal Commission focused, among other things,
25:38
Speaker 2: you focused on how ASIO was very slow to increase
25:41
Speaker 2: the national security alert here when what we saw on
25:45
Speaker 2: October the eighth, with celebrations in the streets of lakember
25:49
Speaker 2: and then the celebrations and threats the next night at
25:52
Speaker 2: the Opera House showed us that there was an alarming
25:55
Speaker 2: level of Islamist extremism rising immediately and direct did that Jews.
26:01
Speaker 15: Look, my experience as someone who's followed these issues closely,
26:05
Speaker 15: was any time, including before the Hamas terrorist attacks, when
26:09
Speaker 15: there was an increase in conflict in the Middle East
26:11
Speaker 15: involving Israel, we saw an increase in anti Semitism in Australia. Now,
26:15
Speaker 15: what we saw with the Hamas terrorist attacks was obviously
26:17
Speaker 15: of an order that we'd never seen before, and I
26:19
Speaker 15: knew the conflict was going to be of an order
26:21
Speaker 15: we hadn't seen before. So that immediately made me think
26:24
Speaker 15: the Jewish community is going to be at some risk here,
26:27
Speaker 15: and I think there were signs certainly from the Opera
26:29
Speaker 15: House protests that that was the case now asier. I mean,
26:33
Speaker 15: they've appeared before the Royal Commission. I don't wish to
26:35
Speaker 15: second judge them or second guess them, but I think
26:38
Speaker 15: that question is an important one to be asked. In hindsight,
26:40
Speaker 15: was the threat level not raised as quickly as it should?
26:44
Speaker 15: But the more important point I make is, even when
26:46
Speaker 15: Asia did increase the threat level from possible to probable,
26:50
Speaker 15: we didn't seem to see an increase in law enforcement
26:54
Speaker 15: or police activity, or arrests and charges, which I would
26:57
Speaker 15: have thought should have followed naturally from.
26:59
Speaker 2: This is what staggered me, and this is why I'll
27:00
Speaker 2: never forgive Anthony Albanesi. He didn't go to Lukember and
27:05
Speaker 2: say that this sort of hatred was not tolerable in
27:07
Speaker 2: this country. He didn't call a summit with Muslim leaders
27:10
Speaker 2: to crack down on this hatred. He didn't call opposition
27:13
Speaker 2: leaders and police commissioners together and talk about stamping out
27:16
Speaker 2: this hatred at the outset, And no one was prosecuted
27:20
Speaker 2: for what looked like hate speech. Wouldn't We should have
27:22
Speaker 2: let the courts decide on the existing laws whether or
27:25
Speaker 2: not this would hate speech, and if it wasn't, maybe
27:28
Speaker 2: new laws were needed.
27:29
Speaker 15: I think we needed more of the salutary use of
27:32
Speaker 15: law enforcement to send a to turrent message. And if
27:34
Speaker 15: the laws were shown to be an adaqut, the Parliament
27:36
Speaker 15: could have tied in the laws.
27:38
Speaker 5: But we didn't see that.
27:39
Speaker 15: We didn't see a restume, we didn't see charges laid,
27:41
Speaker 15: we didn't see protests disallowed or disrupted by police.
27:44
Speaker 5: That was all allowed to go ahead.
27:46
Speaker 15: And as a result, I think antisemitism in Australia built up
27:49
Speaker 15: the head of steam which we then proved unable to contain.
27:52
Speaker 2: Yes, so don't you dare protest against against vaccine mandates,
27:58
Speaker 2: but Andy, due hatred, knock yourselves out.
28:01
Speaker 5: It's disgraceful.
28:02
Speaker 2: Just briefly, the Royal Commission should have been extended.
28:05
Speaker 5: Someone like you would be happy to give evidence.
28:08
Speaker 15: Absolutely, And look, this isn't about me, but I think
28:11
Speaker 15: there are a lot of people who have expertise to
28:13
Speaker 15: offer that. The Royal Commission not because of lack of
28:16
Speaker 15: will on their part, but lack of time, has not
28:17
Speaker 15: been able to hear from. And as Chris Mins today said,
28:21
Speaker 15: it's important that we get this right. This is a
28:23
Speaker 15: once in a generation opportunity spot on.
28:25
Speaker 5: Thanks for joining us, Dave.
28:26
Speaker 2: Thanks Dave Sharma there, who's the Assistant Minister, Assistant Shadow
28:29
Speaker 2: Minister for Citizenship.
28:30
Speaker 5: We're going to take a break.
28:31
Speaker 2: On the other side, I'm going to speak with a
28:32
Speaker 2: Syrian born woman who said she was taught to hate Jews.
28:36
Speaker 5: Now calls herself a reformed Andy Semit.
28:44
Speaker 2: I want to return to the issue of due hatred
28:46
Speaker 2: and Islam has extremism because we've got the opportunity for
28:49
Speaker 2: a rare insight into where this animosity stems from and
28:53
Speaker 2: how it's spread. Rowan Osmond was born in Damascus in Syria,
28:58
Speaker 2: raised in a relatively secular way in Lebanon, even though
29:01
Speaker 2: her father's family was soonner and her mother's were. She
29:05
Speaker 2: Rawan says she was taught to hate Jews and now
29:07
Speaker 2: calls herself a reformed Andy Semite, and she joins me
29:11
Speaker 2: now in the studio.
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Speaker 5: Thanks for joining us, right and good to meet you.
29:14
Speaker 13: Thank you.
29:15
Speaker 2: I just want there's lots to cover it in a
29:18
Speaker 2: short time, but I just want to know if you
29:20
Speaker 2: could explain to us, because you've got that rare insight
29:23
Speaker 2: into it into as to just how Arab children are
29:27
Speaker 2: raised to hate Jewish people they've never met.
29:31
Speaker 16: Thank you for having me. I have to emphasize that
29:34
Speaker 16: the Arabs are not a monolithic group. I happened to
29:37
Speaker 16: you grew up in Lebanon, one of the most tolerant
29:40
Speaker 16: and open minded countries. And back in the days when
29:43
Speaker 16: I lived in Lebanon, half of the country was roughly
29:46
Speaker 16: Muslim and the other half was question so people were tolerant,
29:49
Speaker 16: especially after the lebanesetivil War has claimed the lives of
29:54
Speaker 16: tens of thousands of Lebanese, and people distance themselves themselves
29:58
Speaker 16: from sectarianism. The only thing every what I hatred was
30:00
Speaker 16: the Jews, the Zionists, and the Israelis. And I deliberately
30:05
Speaker 16: use these three terms because we use them interchangeably. In
30:09
Speaker 16: the Arab world. We do not make a distinction between
30:11
Speaker 16: Jewish and Zionists. I grew up hating the Jews because
30:16
Speaker 16: I learned that they are our enemies, because we grew
30:20
Speaker 16: up with this narrative that Israel has expansionist ambitions, that
30:25
Speaker 16: the Palestinians are the oppressive, helpless people whose Palestine while
30:30
Speaker 16: stolen by the Jews who come from Eastern Europe. Obviously,
30:34
Speaker 16: and later in life. I'm lucky enough to have moved
30:37
Speaker 16: to Europe where my eyes were open to the truth.
30:41
Speaker 16: We were intensively indoctrinated, and suddenly it became so obvious
30:46
Speaker 16: to me everything we were told were lies. The Jews
30:49
Speaker 16: do not come from Eastern Europe. They returned to this
30:52
Speaker 16: little speck of land called it today called Israel from
30:56
Speaker 16: all over the globe, but they are indigenous to the land.
30:59
Speaker 16: I attended the French athletic school all my life, and
31:01
Speaker 16: we learned a lot about the Jews, and the Quran
31:04
Speaker 16: goes on and on about Israel. They belonged among us.
31:08
Speaker 16: It is this rejectionist, maximalist attitude towards them early on,
31:14
Speaker 16: since the twenties, before Israel became a country, that causes
31:19
Speaker 16: all this hatred and incitement in our region.
31:23
Speaker 2: It's always been my sense that the Palestinian people are
31:26
Speaker 2: used by elements of the rest of the Arab world
31:29
Speaker 2: to ferment that dispute, to.
31:34
Speaker 5: Create anger against Israel. What's your view?
31:37
Speaker 16: I agree with you, and I think it's a shame
31:40
Speaker 16: that the Paracenian cause is used as a spearhead by
31:44
Speaker 16: Islamists and radical leftists against against our Western civilization. I
31:50
Speaker 16: say our because I've been living in Europe since twenty eleven,
31:54
Speaker 16: and I moved there escaping every radical ideology I grew
31:59
Speaker 16: up with in the Middle East. And unfortunately, I've been
32:02
Speaker 16: watching Europe and now the West since October seventh resembling
32:07
Speaker 16: the Arab world I thought I ran away from. The
32:12
Speaker 16: Palestinians are the ones who paid the highest price for
32:16
Speaker 16: that abuse, who suffered mostly since October seventh. It is
32:21
Speaker 16: the children in Gaza, the citizens who were not consulted
32:25
Speaker 16: about starting a devastating.
32:27
Speaker 7: War with Israel.
32:29
Speaker 16: And when masses march in the West demanding concessions of
32:34
Speaker 16: the Israelis, I wonder why they never mentioned what the
32:38
Speaker 16: Palestinian leadership has done to the Palestinians since the early
32:43
Speaker 16: twenties and the thirties when they learned about Designers Project.
32:47
Speaker 2: This is a key port, isn't that the suffering of
32:50
Speaker 2: the Palestinian children in Gaza is not an accident of Hamas' action?
32:57
Speaker 5: Is what Hammas intended?
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Speaker 16: Absolutely, it is not a product of that ideology. The suffering,
33:04
Speaker 16: especially of children, is weaponized to expose Israel to score
33:08
Speaker 16: against the Jews, who else accept to torment their kids?
33:14
Speaker 16: Why if you were Sinewar, who is the architect of
33:18
Speaker 16: October seventh? Why would you, on October sixth take your
33:22
Speaker 16: wife into children and hide them in the tunnel while
33:26
Speaker 16: you left the rest of the population exposed. Why would
33:30
Speaker 16: you build more than five hundred kilometers of tunnels under
33:34
Speaker 16: Gaza and fail to build a single shelter at least
33:37
Speaker 16: for the children? Are their children, their family members while
33:42
Speaker 16: Hamas militants are hiding underground?
33:45
Speaker 5: It is sickening.
33:46
Speaker 2: There's something you said that I want to go back
33:48
Speaker 2: to because it's important for the debate here, the lack
33:51
Speaker 2: of distinction between Israel and Zionists, and a lot of
33:56
Speaker 2: people in the political debate in this country in the
33:58
Speaker 2: West hide behind the term of anti Zionism. It effectively
34:02
Speaker 2: is the same thing as anti Semitism in the public debate,
34:04
Speaker 2: isn't it.
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Speaker 16: Anti Zionism is more dangerous than anti Semitism because it
34:11
Speaker 16: targets not only Jews, but also those who stand with
34:14
Speaker 16: the Jews, even if you're Muslim, even if you're an insider,
34:18
Speaker 16: even if you offer insights and say this hatred is
34:21
Speaker 16: not justified. Nazi Germany was defeated, but the baton was
34:26
Speaker 16: passed on to the Arab world, anti Semitism is rampant
34:31
Speaker 16: and not see propaganda still circulates until this day, the
34:35
Speaker 16: protocols of the Elders of Zion are treated, the book
34:38
Speaker 16: is treated as a serious one even by some academics
34:41
Speaker 16: in the Arab world, and that has to stop.
34:44
Speaker 2: But you are able to open your eyes and see
34:48
Speaker 2: the truth, establish the facts through an.
34:50
Speaker 5: Education in Europe.
34:51
Speaker 2: Really, what hope the children in the Arab world have
34:54
Speaker 2: of ever understanding the lies they're being fed.
34:57
Speaker 16: Thanks to the Internet, thanks to social media, now people
35:02
Speaker 16: have access to this really narrative. They know that they've
35:04
Speaker 16: been fed a lot of lives. However, how do you
35:07
Speaker 16: save the children that are being brainwashed? Children in Gaza
35:11
Speaker 16: and in the so called West Bank taught as early
35:14
Speaker 16: as in kindergarten to kill a Jew.
35:17
Speaker 5: You achieve in.
35:18
Speaker 16: Life through killing Jews, Jews.
35:21
Speaker 5: Not Israelis.
35:23
Speaker 16: You remember maybe the voice note that was shared after
35:25
Speaker 16: October seventh of that Garsen who called his mom and
35:28
Speaker 16: dad to tell them he killed more than ten Jews. Yea,
35:31
Speaker 16: and there was a euphoria on the phone.
35:35
Speaker 5: They were proud of him.
35:36
Speaker 16: I do not know a single Israeli mother who would
35:39
Speaker 16: be proud of her kid if he called to say
35:41
Speaker 16: I killed Temparesinians.
35:43
Speaker 2: Look, it's fascina id to hear from you. You're a
35:46
Speaker 2: very brave woman to talk about what you do, discuss publicly.
35:50
Speaker 2: How terrifying is your life.
35:54
Speaker 16: I hear this very often. I'm described as a brave woman.
35:58
Speaker 16: I think the worlds stand are too low. I'm given
36:02
Speaker 16: credit for using my brain as someone who saw both
36:05
Speaker 16: sides of the fence. I'm saying what everybody should be saying.
36:10
Speaker 2: It's great, but in this debate you, it can attract
36:14
Speaker 2: a lot of abuse and even violence.
36:17
Speaker 5: What did I.
36:17
Speaker 16: Lose, Chris, I lost a lot of friends. I lost
36:20
Speaker 16: family members who are alive. Meanwhile, I have many, many
36:24
Speaker 16: Israeli friends who lost their eyes, their legs, their arms,
36:28
Speaker 16: their children. When they kiss their children goodbye before they
36:30
Speaker 16: are sent with the army to Gaza, or to Lebanon
36:33
Speaker 16: or to Syria, they do not know if they're going
36:35
Speaker 16: to see them again. So I think the price on
36:37
Speaker 16: paying is minimal because we're fighting for our world. Remember
36:42
Speaker 16: this is not only about Hamas and Israel. This is
36:45
Speaker 16: a war that was kickstarted on October seventh against Western
36:49
Speaker 16: civilization as we know it.
36:51
Speaker 5: Spot On rowan, thanks so much for joining us.
36:54
Speaker 2: How you get to enjoy much of our country while
36:56
Speaker 2: you're here sharing a message and say travels.
36:59
Speaker 5: Thank you.
37:00
Speaker 2: One oswnd there who's Assyrian born. Incredible message, powerful message.
37:04
Speaker 2: Let's hope as many people as possible get to hear it.
37:06
Speaker 2: We've got to take a break after that, going to
37:08
Speaker 2: go live to London. You won't believe the advice that's
37:10
Speaker 2: been given to asylum seekers there.
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Speaker 5: Sophie Ellsworth will join me next.
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Speaker 2: Outrage in the UK over a new guide published by
37:22
Speaker 2: their Home Office telling asylum seekers that rape and domestic
37:25
Speaker 2: abuse are illegal.
37:27
Speaker 5: Here's the latest from the BBC.
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Speaker 8: This booklet about asilent seekers and sexual assault. He's causing
37:33
Speaker 8: a row. It's been published by the government and tells
37:36
Speaker 8: a silent seekers that rape and sexual harassment are illegal
37:39
Speaker 8: in the UK. It stresses that the age of consent
37:42
Speaker 8: is sixteen and warns of silent seekers not some sexual
37:45
Speaker 8: comments to strangers.
37:47
Speaker 2: Let's got a news call europe correspondent and News twenty
37:49
Speaker 2: four contributor Sophie Ellsworth in London. I can see, Sophie,
37:54
Speaker 2: how this would provoke the already intense debate about illegal migration.
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Speaker 17: Well, it certainly has done that indeed, Chris, and concerns
38:05
Speaker 17: that the Home Office think that they need to put
38:08
Speaker 17: out such a booklet telling asylum seekers that raping and
38:13
Speaker 17: sexually assaulting women is not permitted in this country. There's
38:17
Speaker 17: been immense, intense debate about this in recent days and
38:22
Speaker 17: concerns of who is coming into this country and having
38:26
Speaker 17: to be told that this is not acceptable. Now, Chris,
38:29
Speaker 17: up until March this year, in the twelve months there
38:32
Speaker 17: were ninety four thousand people claiming asylum here in the UK.
38:36
Speaker 17: That's down about twelve percent. But do you think these
38:40
Speaker 17: asylum seekers are going to come into the country, grab
38:43
Speaker 17: this leaflet and read through it. They may not even
38:45
Speaker 17: be able to understand it given it's in English. They
38:48
Speaker 17: may have to get it in another language. But this
38:51
Speaker 17: says to me, Chris, there is a problem with asylum
38:54
Speaker 17: seekers coming into this country and understanding what is acceptable
38:59
Speaker 17: when it comes to the treatment of women.
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Speaker 2: Yeahs right into that debate as to who the sorts
39:04
Speaker 2: of people that are coming into the country. It's at
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Speaker 2: a mission by the Home Office really that they're worried
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Speaker 2: about the attitudes of the people that are coming in.
39:11
Speaker 2: Because you don't have to have that explain to you
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Speaker 2: when you arrive in Britain in other forms, in other
39:17
Speaker 2: waves of immigration, or as a tourist. It's here what
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Speaker 2: the conservative leaders had to say.
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Speaker 18: Well, I have been very clear that while we are
39:26
Speaker 18: in multiracial society, we should not be a multicultural society.
39:30
Speaker 18: We need people who can integrate into our culture. And
39:34
Speaker 18: anyone who needs a leaflet to tell them not to
39:37
Speaker 18: reap does not belong here. It's as simple as.
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Speaker 2: That, Pretty simple and pretty strong.
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Speaker 5: So think.
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Speaker 17: Well, I think Kenny Badynock's words there were what a
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Speaker 17: lot of Britains are thinking. And this was a lot
39:51
Speaker 17: of the talkback radio I was listening to last week.
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Speaker 17: People quite concerned about who is coming into this country
39:58
Speaker 17: and what they're doing once they arrived. And as we know, Chris,
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Speaker 17: the small boats crisis continues to be a problem here
40:05
Speaker 17: in the UK, and questioning who is being allowed into
40:08
Speaker 17: this country and then able to live here and commit
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Speaker 17: these crimes.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think we've got a couple of graphics here
40:14
Speaker 2: that show exactly what is being told to these asylum seekers,
40:18
Speaker 2: and this one that says both people must say yes
40:22
Speaker 2: to sex.
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Speaker 5: This is called consent and.
40:25
Speaker 2: Another one that says the legal age of consent in
40:28
Speaker 2: the UK is sixteen. So these are pretty basic messages
40:32
Speaker 2: and if you're bringing in people who have to get
40:35
Speaker 2: around that or have some sort of contrary view, it's
40:38
Speaker 2: a hell of a worry.
40:39
Speaker 5: Just briefly before we let you go.
40:41
Speaker 2: So for security arrangements for former Prince Harry and Megan
40:45
Speaker 2: coming home, there's a bit of a debate about that too.
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Speaker 17: There certainly is, Chris. I mean, they're due to arrive
40:52
Speaker 17: here in the UK in the coming days. They tossed them,
40:57
Speaker 17: they threw themselves out of this country. They said they
41:00
Speaker 17: didn't want to be a part of Britain. Now they've
41:02
Speaker 17: realized they're running out of revenue and money and they
41:05
Speaker 17: need to come back here to actually have some relevance.
41:10
Speaker 17: And this is creating a lot of debate here over
41:13
Speaker 17: whether or not they should be entitled to security. Now
41:16
Speaker 17: there are claims in media here that it could cost
41:19
Speaker 17: five million pounds a year to give them security. But
41:22
Speaker 17: they're not working Royals, Chris now, remembering also Prince Harry
41:27
Speaker 17: did say his children and his wife would not be
41:29
Speaker 17: safe here in the UK. That's all gone out the window,
41:32
Speaker 17: and now they're coming back here and this has raised
41:35
Speaker 17: a lot of questions. Why are they moving back now?
41:39
Speaker 17: And there's an awful lot of people in this country
41:41
Speaker 17: who are not very happy about it.
41:43
Speaker 2: Maybe they ought to stick them in one of those
41:44
Speaker 2: migrant hotels or shove them into one of those Welsh villages,
41:48
Speaker 2: were shoving.
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Speaker 5: The illegal migrants. What a circus.
41:52
Speaker 2: Thanks for joining us, Sophie. I appreciate it. But Sophier's
41:55
Speaker 2: worth their live in London. We'll get to break because
41:58
Speaker 2: on the other side, Gevittson, Yunian Carolin, so join us.
42:00
Speaker 2: We'll get into this debate here about immigration.
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Speaker 5: Let's get into it now.
42:10
Speaker 2: With Gematon Jenni from GT Communications on the desk and
42:13
Speaker 2: over in the West. It's the birthday girl.
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Speaker 7: Happy birthday to you, Thank you very much.
42:21
Speaker 5: Well, well you're going to get.
42:22
Speaker 2: The first crack at it as a birthday gif. Tell
42:25
Speaker 2: us about this immigration debate one day. Is it a
42:29
Speaker 2: case of David Farley just getting his numbers wrong or
42:32
Speaker 2: do they have something more serious to fix you.
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Speaker 7: I think the debate is a very difficult debate to have.
42:40
Speaker 7: We all know that immigration needs to come down crease,
42:43
Speaker 7: but there's all sorts of bits and pieces that are
42:46
Speaker 7: in certain figures and not in certain figures. So overseas
42:51
Speaker 7: migration includes certain things and certain not other things, and
42:54
Speaker 7: I just don't think there's real clarity around that. So
42:58
Speaker 7: I'm not sure about David Farley. I don't know what
43:00
Speaker 7: he does or doesn't know, or what the position that
43:03
Speaker 7: One Nation has come to. But I have a feeling
43:07
Speaker 7: that people talk about the numbers, but I think there
43:11
Speaker 7: needs to be a bit more clarity around what is
43:13
Speaker 7: included or not included in all the party's numbers so
43:18
Speaker 7: that the voter out there can measure apples and apples
43:21
Speaker 7: and not apples with some other variety of fruit.
43:23
Speaker 5: Well, i'll tell you what.
43:25
Speaker 2: Jem of the interviews that I showed from my documentary
43:28
Speaker 2: and some of the bits that didn't make it into
43:30
Speaker 2: the final cut clearly show that One Nation, through David Farley,
43:34
Speaker 2: are putting out a different message.
43:36
Speaker 5: He's saying to the people in.
43:37
Speaker 2: Pharaoh, Yeah, we're cutting immigration, but we're not going to
43:40
Speaker 2: cut it in your area. You're going to still get
43:42
Speaker 2: all the workers you need. Now, they might be able
43:44
Speaker 2: to do that, but they're going to have to reconcile
43:46
Speaker 2: those two messages.
43:47
Speaker 19: I think The other part of this conversation is it's
43:50
Speaker 19: absolutely those things, but it's also values. I think that
43:54
Speaker 19: part of the conversation that the Federal government at least
43:56
Speaker 19: has been unwilling to engage in where immigration is concerned,
43:59
Speaker 19: is will we make a concerted effort to stop people
44:03
Speaker 19: who have anti Australian, anti Western values.
44:07
Speaker 2: It actually plays into the same debate too, because the
44:09
Speaker 2: sorts of migrants who go to those rural areas to
44:13
Speaker 2: pick the fruit and work on the farm, they show
44:16
Speaker 2: the values you want. That's what make yeah, exactly all right,
44:20
Speaker 2: let's get to the Royal Commission and the concerns about that.
44:23
Speaker 2: You'd be very pleased with Chris Min's at least a
44:26
Speaker 2: suggestion there should be some extension.
44:28
Speaker 19: I think the important thing about this Royal Commission to
44:31
Speaker 19: remember is that the Prime Minister was dragged, kicking and
44:34
Speaker 19: screaming to commission it in the first place, and from
44:38
Speaker 19: the get go the unanimous feedback was that it's too tight,
44:42
Speaker 19: and it's too tight a timeframe. What is the point
44:45
Speaker 19: of not doing it properly? What is the Prime Minister
44:47
Speaker 19: afraid of? He can't say, oh, you know, everybody wants
44:51
Speaker 19: the result and we want it done right, not necessarily
44:53
Speaker 19: done quickly. And I love how I don't know much
44:55
Speaker 19: about labor politics, it's apart from the fact that I
44:58
Speaker 19: find it quite odious. But I think I think Chris
45:01
Speaker 19: Mins has been quite happy to turn around and throw
45:04
Speaker 19: a catamongst to pigeons from time to time. And he's
45:06
Speaker 19: quite right here. We've spent the money, fifteen Australians died.
45:11
Speaker 19: We're trying to get to the bottom of what most
45:13
Speaker 19: people think.
45:13
Speaker 7: They already have a view on.
45:15
Speaker 2: Let's do it well, yeah, spot on, now, Caro, as
45:18
Speaker 2: a lawyer, you would have been around Royal commissions for
45:21
Speaker 2: a long while as I have. I must admit I've
45:23
Speaker 2: helped have them called and I've appeared as witnesses and
45:26
Speaker 2: whatever bottom line is here, I think people need to
45:29
Speaker 2: understand this. If the commissioner wants an extension, she'll get one.
45:33
Speaker 2: If Virginia Bell were to write a letter to the
45:35
Speaker 2: Prime Minister and Premier and say we want to extend
45:38
Speaker 2: this thing, there is no way known that she would
45:41
Speaker 2: be refused.
45:42
Speaker 5: Is that not right?
45:44
Speaker 7: And I don't even think that's a legal point. I
45:46
Speaker 7: think that's a political point.
45:47
Speaker 5: Well, yeah, can you.
45:48
Speaker 7: Imagine if she did write. If she did write to
45:50
Speaker 7: the Prime Minister and the Prime Minister said no, that
45:54
Speaker 7: there would be absolutely each sure ordinary.
45:56
Speaker 2: But I think legally as well, she would have the
45:58
Speaker 2: power then to continue on because she needs to in
46:01
Speaker 2: order to fulfill the terms of reference.
46:03
Speaker 7: In terms of reference absolutely and Jim touched on this,
46:07
Speaker 7: if you're going to do something, do it properly. Now
46:10
Speaker 7: there'll be there's always shortcomings in royal commissions. There's shortcomings
46:15
Speaker 7: in everything that humans do. But you don't want to
46:18
Speaker 7: undermine the good work that has been done if people
46:20
Speaker 7: take the view that you took shortcuts, or you didn't
46:23
Speaker 7: take the time, or anything else. So I think there's
46:25
Speaker 7: a real danger that if it isn't done properly, if
46:30
Speaker 7: there isn't a necessary extension, if there if one is required,
46:34
Speaker 7: then I think that kind of casts a little bit
46:37
Speaker 7: on the credibility of any of the good work that
46:40
Speaker 7: has been done. So it's just it's worth the two percent,
46:43
Speaker 7: is all I would say.
46:44
Speaker 5: Ye, Jemma, you're a Collingwood fan.
46:47
Speaker 2: You follow the footy, the Swans that they paid a
46:49
Speaker 2: high enough price. Now move on, except for those who
46:51
Speaker 2: face any possible criminal proceedings, right.
46:55
Speaker 7: I mean it's.
46:57
Speaker 19: Let me say this, I think the Swan showed in
47:01
Speaker 19: their immediate actions last week that they were prepared to
47:04
Speaker 19: put values in culture and accountability above a premiership.
47:07
Speaker 7: What I have had, what I've.
47:08
Speaker 19: Actually truly struggled with, is this idea of collective punishment.
47:12
Speaker 19: And you know there were I don't have any people
47:14
Speaker 19: in a footy team twenty two right, twenty three young
47:19
Speaker 19: players who who are sucking up that punishment because of
47:24
Speaker 19: the actions of their colleagues. I think the Swans have
47:27
Speaker 19: got a little way to go. I think this is
47:30
Speaker 19: the response that I have had socially is most people
47:33
Speaker 19: are saying, it's twenty twenty six, man, how does this
47:36
Speaker 19: still happen? And I think that idea is absolutely valid
47:41
Speaker 19: and requires so much on picking internally.
47:44
Speaker 2: Now, one little snippet there's probably going to make headlines
47:46
Speaker 2: right around the world and scare people from coming to Australia.
47:49
Speaker 2: Is another one of our one of the threats from
47:52
Speaker 2: our wildlife.
47:53
Speaker 5: Have a look at this.
47:54
Speaker 2: This is cyclist in Brisbane and he hits the koala,
47:59
Speaker 2: not a one bat a drop bear, no koala was
48:04
Speaker 2: The cyclist managed to survive apparently, but there you go.
48:08
Speaker 5: No doubt. Around the world, they'll be saying, that's another thing.
48:11
Speaker 2: You got to look up for when you come to Australia.
48:14
Speaker 2: Thanks for joining us, Caroline, enjoy your birthday dinner tonight
48:17
Speaker 2: and we'll catch you next week.
48:18
Speaker 5: Jemma. That's all the time we go.
48:20
Speaker 2: Now we're going to time to squeeze in a little
48:21
Speaker 2: bit of your reaction to what I had to say
48:23
Speaker 2: about our debt passing a trillion dollars last week. Eric says,
48:27
Speaker 2: look back in history, there has never ever been a
48:30
Speaker 2: labor government that's been able to manage money.
48:33
Speaker 5: Not one.
48:34
Speaker 2: Pretty fair point, and another viewer says, just terrible. Given
48:37
Speaker 2: we had no debt in two thousand and six, the
48:39
Speaker 2: next generation will suffer. They will, indeed, that's what we
48:43
Speaker 2: pass on to them. That's all the time we've got
48:45
Speaker 2: for you. Almost tonight. I'm going to be back here
48:48
Speaker 2: over there in the man Cave at nine o'clock tonight
48:50
Speaker 2: with Paul Murray, so I'll see you.
48:52
Speaker 3: Then.
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Speaker 5: Coming up next is Peter Kredlin,