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SICKENING TWIST: 9 Y. O. MELINA VANISHES ON VACAY · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. A sickening twist after nine
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Speaker 1: year old Molina, a beautiful little girl vanishes on a
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Speaker 1: family vacation. I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. I
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Speaker 1: want to thank you for being with us.
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Speaker 2: A father daughter trip and see tragedy.
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Speaker 1: Nine year old little Molina on a family vacation when
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Speaker 1: dad stops for a travel break, she is abducted, and
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Speaker 1: tonight a disturbing and sickening twist in her disappearance. Joining
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Speaker 1: me an all star panel, but first straight out to
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Speaker 1: investigative reporter from WRGBCBS six Albany, Laura Jimmett is with us. Laura,
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Speaker 1: thank you for being with us. Where had the family,
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Speaker 1: the dad and the little girl been vacationing? Didn't they
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Speaker 1: stop at several beauty spots?
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Speaker 3: Well, Molina and her father did travel around to a
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Speaker 3: couple different destinations. They run a vacation together, some of
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Speaker 3: those locations being Connecticut, New York City, and right in
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Speaker 3: upstate New York in Lake George.
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Speaker 1: And you know doctor Chloe Carmichael joining us in addition
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Speaker 1: to Laura Jamt, doctor Chloe's clinical psychologist and author of
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Speaker 1: Nervous Energy. You can find her at doctor Chloe. Doctor Chloe,
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Speaker 1: this was especially important to dad because he and the
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Speaker 1: mom I believe have been estrange since twenty nineteen and
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Speaker 1: mom has primary custody, but dad sees her quite often,
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Speaker 1: and this was their big bonding where they were going
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Speaker 1: to have dad and daughter time and that's really hard
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Speaker 1: to get when you have a busy family. I will
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Speaker 1: never forget when Lucy, my daughter was growing up, father
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Speaker 1: daughter dance was a huge big deal because they would
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Speaker 1: have a single night all together and that's actually hard
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Speaker 1: to come by when both parents are working. And with
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Speaker 1: these two was split custody. I mean, the mom has primary,
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Speaker 1: but the dad tries to see her all the time.
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Speaker 1: This was a big deal for the dad, Doctor Chloe.
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Speaker 4: Yes, it certainly was. And as you said, when you have,
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Speaker 4: you know, custody situations, it can be really hard to
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Speaker 4: get that time. At the same time, you know, those
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Speaker 4: can be times when emotions do tend to run really
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Speaker 4: high and things can feel intense. There can also be
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Speaker 4: a lot of image pressure, you know, for the dad
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Speaker 4: to try to broadcast to everybody, look, you know, we're
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Speaker 4: doing these really special things together. There can be a
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Speaker 4: lot of emotional intensity and a lot at stake during
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Speaker 4: those times as well.
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Speaker 1: And there's also doctor Chloe Fomo Fomo fear of missing
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Speaker 1: out because when I take the Tines on a vacation,
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Speaker 1: I want everything to be great for them and make
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Speaker 1: all these memories right now up here. I know it
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Speaker 1: really doesn't matter what you do or where you go,
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Speaker 1: because when we were growing up, we would have Friday
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Speaker 1: and Saturday night in Gatlinburg, Tennessee. That was our vacation,
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Speaker 1: and then we would come home on Sunday. But I
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Speaker 1: remember it like I was on the riviera. For Pete's sake.
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Speaker 1: We had so much fun and everything about it was fun,
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Speaker 1: and that's the memory you want your child to have,
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Speaker 1: right So there is pressure if you're a loving parent
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Speaker 1: to make that happen. And that's what we see this
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Speaker 1: dad doing.
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Speaker 4: Yes, that's absolutely true, is that he seemed to want
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Speaker 4: to be creating an unforgettable lifetime experience type of trip
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Speaker 4: with his daughter. I would say that's true that there
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Speaker 4: was a lot of effort and planning that went into
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Speaker 4: orchestrating a very special trip.
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Speaker 1: Okay, guys, I want you to hear from Captain Robert McConnell.
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Speaker 5: On Saturday, July nineteenth. At twenty twenty five, at a
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Speaker 5: practically ten o'clock PM, Warren County nine one one received
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Speaker 5: the call from a man reporting his nine year old
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Speaker 5: daughter missing with a possible abduction in the area of
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Speaker 5: VEX twenty two of Ieight seven Northway in Lake George.
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Speaker 5: The show was identified as Malina Frettoleen, age nine, and
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Speaker 5: the caller as her father, Luciana Frettoland, aged forty five.
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Speaker 5: The New York City Police and Warren County Sheriff's Office
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Speaker 5: immediately responded to the area of Exit twenty two in
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Speaker 5: Northway and initiate investigation and attempt to locate Molina.
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Speaker 1: In addition to Laura Jimmett, investigative reporter WRGB CBS six
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Speaker 1: Albany now joining US Crime Stories investigative reporter Sydney Sumner, So, Sidney,
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Speaker 1: I'm trying to understand they went all to all of
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Speaker 1: these beauty spots, a beautiful waterside town in Connecticut. They
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Speaker 1: cut through Albany. I believe they spent time in New
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Speaker 1: York City, right, I mean, that's the whole vacation in itself,
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Speaker 1: New York City. He's showing her the sites. I'm sure
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Speaker 1: Times Square everything there is to see, now, where were
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Speaker 1: they Sydney when Dad stops for a bathroom break.
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Speaker 6: Well, Nancy, they're heading north found on I eighty seven
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Speaker 6: and they're right at exit twenty two, which is Lake George.
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Speaker 6: So Dad decides he needs to go to the bathroom,
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Speaker 6: and he needs to go to the bathroom now. So
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Speaker 6: he pulled over. We use Molina in the backseat and
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Speaker 6: is like, look, I'm just going to go walk over
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Speaker 6: here in the woods for some privacy, relieve myself, and
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Speaker 6: we'll go back on our way.
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Speaker 1: You know, it's giving me a horrible, horrible flashback to
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Speaker 1: a case that we covered Sydney. You and I and
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Speaker 1: Lauren Jamett, you're going to remember this because this is
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Speaker 1: in your neck of the woods. Where a little girl
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Speaker 1: is an upstate New York, same area. She's with her family.
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Speaker 1: There are ving and camping, and they're in the little
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Speaker 1: camping circle with other RVs and the mom is watching
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Speaker 1: the daughter go around and around with other children on
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Speaker 1: a bicycle loop right there right in front of them,
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Speaker 1: and a little girl goes down the hill to the
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Speaker 1: side of the bicycle loop and in that moment, literally
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Speaker 1: in that moment, she's abducted she's abducted just like that.
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Speaker 1: It can happen just like that. And I'm going to
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Speaker 1: go to special guests. Dan Murphy joining US former NYPD
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Speaker 1: detective sergeant who served on the Joint Terrorism Task Force,
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Speaker 1: former Chief Security Office, usban Court, and co host of
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Speaker 1: a hit podcast, gold Shields. He's also the author of
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Speaker 1: Workplace Safety. Dan, it can happen just like that, just
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Speaker 1: like that, And it's not because a parent isn't paying attention.
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Speaker 1: Of course, we all know, don't leave your child alone
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Speaker 1: in the car. But the dad says he was just
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Speaker 1: going to urinate on the side of the road, and
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Speaker 1: it happened just like that. But Dan, it can happen
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Speaker 1: just like that.
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Speaker 7: Yes, it's ken. Kidnappings and abductions of children can happen.
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Speaker 7: People who do it do not just randomly jump out
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Speaker 7: of a car. Sometimes that happens, but in this case,
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Speaker 7: they look at their victims, they look and see where
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Speaker 7: the opportunity is, and they act very very quickly and decisively.
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Speaker 1: You know, I was just talking about the case of
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Speaker 1: little Charlotte Cina. Charlotte was found alive, if you will recall,
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Speaker 1: and Laura, I'm sure you remember that Charlotte was found alive.
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Speaker 1: She was several miles away, and she was in the
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Speaker 1: purpse camper part behind his mother's home where he lived,
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Speaker 1: behind mommy's house, and she was crammed into a as
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Speaker 1: I recall, Jackie, correct me if I'm wrong, she was
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Speaker 1: crammed into a cabinet under a counter, in a camper
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Speaker 1: like an RV. And we've taken a lot of RV
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Speaker 1: trips the twins Dan, and it's how he got that
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Speaker 1: child crammed into that cabinet. I don't know what the
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Speaker 1: good news is. Charlotte lived and she was taken Dan,
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Speaker 1: just like what we're talking about. She lived, so regardless
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Speaker 1: of what may have happened in the interim, that's the
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Speaker 1: victory because she lived. Let me understand, Laura Jamette joining
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Speaker 1: us of your RGB, this was just a pit stop,
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Speaker 1: a five minute pit stop for a dad to maybe
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Speaker 1: a little bit longer to get out of the car,
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Speaker 1: go back behind the trees. You're an eate, come back
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Speaker 1: to the car and get in the car. It was
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Speaker 1: very quick, right, Laura.
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Speaker 3: Yes, that's correct, it was. It all happened extremely fast.
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Speaker 1: I'm trying to understand this area where he stopped for
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Speaker 1: the bathroom break. Was it in a rural area, I
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Speaker 1: mean Sidney Sumner. I know a little bit about Late George.
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Speaker 1: I know it's beautiful, but what can you tell me
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Speaker 1: Sidney about the area. Because terrain in this type of
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Speaker 1: case is very very important. You know, what if what
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Speaker 1: if and this doesn't happen that often a child gets
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Speaker 1: out of the car and starts walking. What if fill
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Speaker 1: in the blank, tell me about the terrain. Where is
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Speaker 1: Lake George? Where did they stop, Sydney for exactly did
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Speaker 1: they stop? Was it near a gas station? Was it
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Speaker 1: near a toll booth? What tell me?
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Speaker 6: Well, Nancy, it's a little unclear exactly where they stopped,
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Speaker 6: if Dad actually pulled off the highway or if he
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Speaker 6: was just parked on the side of the road and
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Speaker 6: walked out into the forest. And this is a heavily
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Speaker 6: wooded area. They call this an old growth forest, so
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Speaker 6: lots of wooded area.
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Speaker 1: The lake is huge.
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Speaker 6: It goes a very very long way north and south
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Speaker 6: in both directions. This is a very popular vacation spot,
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Speaker 6: so there's lots of people who aren't necessarily local to
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Speaker 6: the area, especially this time beer And there's lots of
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Speaker 6: highways in this area. You get off into Route nine.
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Speaker 6: This is the North Way. This is a very large highway,
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Speaker 6: heavily traveled, big vacation spot. So, like you say, it's
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Speaker 6: easy to get anywhere in an hour from this spot
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Speaker 6: in particular.
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Speaker 1: Okay, you know what's disturbing about that with me a
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Speaker 1: longtime colleague, Jason Oceans. He's a veteran defense attorney who
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Speaker 1: works throughout this jurisdiction, all through New York, New Jersey,
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Speaker 1: the whole Tri state area and beyond. Jason Oceans, you
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Speaker 1: and I worked on the Dylan and Shasta Grone case
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Speaker 1: and that was in Cordalaine, Idaho. Now why am I
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Speaker 1: bringing that up? You just heard both Laura Jimmett and
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Speaker 1: Cidy Summer talk about this isolated area. Okay, Dad is
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Speaker 1: taking his daughter all across the New York Connecticut area,
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Speaker 1: which with which you're very familiar to the site in
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Speaker 1: the sounds of New York City, to the waterside in Connecticut,
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Speaker 1: and now in the adroind Dyck region of Lake George, Cordalaane, Idaho.
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Speaker 1: Sidney just said, there are a lot of interstates and
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Speaker 1: roads leading to this particular beauty spot, and it is
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Speaker 1: beautiful that much I know Cordalaine, Idaho. A guy the
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Speaker 1: perp was driving along looks off the interstate, and if
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Speaker 1: you look at the aerial view, as you and I
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Speaker 1: did together on a very dark studio one day, I
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Speaker 1: recall it distinctly. You look down and there's nothing but trees,
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Speaker 1: green trees. You can't see a single house. Nothing. The
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Speaker 1: purp drives by on the interstate, looks over and sees Shasta.
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Speaker 1: Gronie thinks she's about eleven or twelve at the time,
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Speaker 1: on getting into an above ground pool, and this guy,
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Speaker 1: unknown to the family pulls over, lies in wait, waits
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Speaker 1: for the family to go to bed, wipes out the
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Speaker 1: family and abducts the little girl and boy Dylan and shastagrown.
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Speaker 1: So the fact that all these roads converge in this area,
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Speaker 1: this beauty spot, this tourist spot, plus it's heavily heavily forested,
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Speaker 1: is like the Cordline case all over again. It's ideal Nancy,
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Speaker 1: as you describe it.
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Speaker 8: It's that perfect set of circumstances in this case, as
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Speaker 8: we're talking about a potential abduction in upstate New York.
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Speaker 7: About an hour north of Albany on the North Way.
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Speaker 8: Yeah, it's as described it's forested, but so many little
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Speaker 8: access roads in and so many tourists, so many different
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Speaker 8: people from the community, that it is a recipe sometimes
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Speaker 8: for disaster and an abduction.
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Speaker 1: And I've learned that Late George, I believe you visited there,
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Speaker 1: Jason Oceans, Late George is forty four square miles. I
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Speaker 1: don't know. I know you've handled cases and defended cases
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Speaker 1: where there was water search. That's never good when you
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Speaker 1: hear the words water search, never Nancy forty four square miles,
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Speaker 1: Dan Murphy, a water search exhaustive. If a water search
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Speaker 1: has to be conducted on forty four square miles, I'm
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Speaker 1: talking side scan and sonar, dive teams, water dogs, dogs
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Speaker 1: that can pick up a human scent and water. Yes,
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Speaker 1: it's real. That is an intense, intense search, Dan Murphy,
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Speaker 1: and tense.
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Speaker 7: That's a tremendous amount of manpower that would take a
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Speaker 7: lot of hours a huge area to search. I don't
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Speaker 7: know how deep Lake Georgia's I've been there, but it
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Speaker 7: would require an unbelievable amount of time, energy, and effort
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Speaker 7: to search an area if you did not have exact
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Speaker 7: information or at least a tip as to where in
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Speaker 7: the lake. It could take weeks to drag a lake
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Speaker 7: like that.
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Speaker 2: New York State beliefs have issued an Amber alert and
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Speaker 2: are desperately searching for a little girl who diss peered
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Speaker 2: from her father's car while traveling on Interstate eighty seven.
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Speaker 2: Molina Frattolan's father found her missing from the back seat
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Speaker 2: of their car after making a brief rest stop near
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Speaker 2: Exit twenty two. Nine year old Molina is five feet
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Speaker 2: tall one hundred pounds, has brown hair and brown eyes.
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Speaker 2: She was wearing light colored shorts, a black and white
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Speaker 2: striped T shirt, and black Adida sneakers. Anyone who may
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Speaker 2: have seen Molina should call nine one one immediately.
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Speaker 9: Luciano Frattolan calls nine one one nine fifty eight pm
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Speaker 9: July nineteenth, frantically reporting he thinks his nine year old daughter, Molina,
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Speaker 9: has been kidnapped. Frattolan says he pulled over in near
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Speaker 9: Exit twenty two and walked into the woods to relieve himself.
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Speaker 9: When he returned, a white van was speeding away from
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Speaker 9: the shoulder and he found Molina missing from the back seat.
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Speaker 9: Rattolin doesn't remember seeing a license plate, but believes he
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Speaker 9: saw two men sitting in the front seat of the van.
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Speaker 9: New York State Police put out a BOLO in the
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Speaker 9: Lake George area and southbound on the Northway, but by morning,
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Speaker 9: Molina is still missing. An investigator's issue in ambrell, an.
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Speaker 1: Amber alert is issued, but they waited overnight to issue
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Speaker 1: the amber alert. Jason osens, how many times have we
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Speaker 1: seen a delay in issuing an amber alert? I'm just
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Speaker 1: thinking right off the top of my head to Cherish Periwinkle,
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Speaker 1: who was with her mother in a Target superstore and
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Speaker 1: they met a guy in there when they were shopping
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Speaker 1: with the little children, and he offered to go get
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Speaker 1: them hamburgers from the McDonald's inside the superstore upfront, and
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Speaker 1: they just kept walking and instead of issuing the amber
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Speaker 1: alert immediately as the mother rain begged, they kept suggesting
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Speaker 1: that this was somehow a custody problem, and they didn't
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Speaker 1: issue it. As soon as they did issue it, like
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Speaker 1: I don't know, twelve fifteen hours later, they got a
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Speaker 1: call that a white van had been seen. They went
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Speaker 1: to the white van and they found Cherish dead, submerged
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Speaker 1: in water under a log. Because of a delay in
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Speaker 1: issuing an amber alert, what is the problem with issuing
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Speaker 1: amber alerts on time?
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Speaker 8: Nancy, that's a you know, that's a horrible spot that
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Speaker 8: law enforcement is in. Sometimes there are other circumstances, initially
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Speaker 8: in the investigation, as you mentioned, in this horrible circumstance,
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Speaker 8: and in other times they have reason to delay, there
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Speaker 8: are mistakes made, but the prudency sometimes leads to other things,
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Speaker 8: and oftentimes other times leads to deadly consequences.
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Speaker 1: It's a very tough spot for detectives.
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Speaker 8: In that moment because you and I both know that
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Speaker 8: twenty four to forty eight hours right after a loss
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Speaker 8: are in tegral.
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Speaker 1: I don't know why they don't just issue it better
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Speaker 1: safe than sorry, issue the Amber alert, and then if
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Speaker 1: it's un needed, then say hey, whereas that we've got
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Speaker 1: updated information, why sit on it? Although in their defense
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Speaker 1: to Laura Jeanette joining US investigative reporter WRGB CBS six
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Speaker 1: at Albany, Laura, the dad didn't get a tag number,
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Speaker 1: did he?
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Speaker 6: Don't?
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Speaker 3: I don't believe so.
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Speaker 1: No, I don't think he did. Sidney Sumner, he couldn't
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Speaker 1: get a tag number, could he?
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Speaker 6: No, there was no tag number. And Captain McConnell actually
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Speaker 6: commented on this during a press conference about the case
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Speaker 6: and said that they want to be careful not to
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Speaker 6: numb the public by putting out Amber alerts before being
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Speaker 6: sure of what's going on. So he did make that
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Speaker 6: comment in their defense about waiting for a little bit
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Speaker 6: more information, but ultimately they had nothing else to add
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Speaker 6: other than that white man.
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Speaker 1: Okay, well, I think that's bass Ackwards. But that said,
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Speaker 1: the dad gave a quasi description of the perps even
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Speaker 1: though he didn't have a tag number. You know, can
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Speaker 1: more concerned about numbing the public. To Amberlerts, I disagree
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Speaker 1: with that, but maybe there's more to the story than
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Speaker 1: we know. Let's hear from Captain Robert McConnell.
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Speaker 5: On July eleventh, twenty twenty five. Mister Frattolean and Malina
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Speaker 5: and Molina expected to return on Sunday, July twentieth, at
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Speaker 5: which time Lena Bee would be returned to the costody
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Speaker 5: of her mother. At about five thirty pm on July twentieth,
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Speaker 5: Molina is observer with her father on video surveillance in
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Speaker 5: Saratoga Springs, New York. At about six thirty pm, she
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Speaker 5: spoke to her mother on the phone and told her
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Speaker 5: she and her father were a route back. Did child
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Speaker 5: appears to be in good health and to not indicate
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Speaker 5: she's under any dress.
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Speaker 1: Larja met joining us WRGB. The surveillance video at Saratoga
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Speaker 1: Springs that is from an unnamed business, Is that right.
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Speaker 3: Yes, that's correct. The name of the business hasn't been
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Speaker 3: released at this time.
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Speaker 1: Now, that's about five thirty in the afternoon, five thirty
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Speaker 1: in the afternoon. At six point thirty, she speaks to
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Speaker 1: her mom on the phone and she says she and
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Speaker 1: her dad are back en route home and she was
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Speaker 1: in high spirits. Is that right, Laura Jaman, that's right.
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Speaker 3: State police did say that while she was on the
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Speaker 3: phone with her mother, there was no signs of distress
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Speaker 3: and that they were just simply on their way home
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Speaker 3: from finishing up their vacation.
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Speaker 1: Laura Ja met WRGB. How long had the two been
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Speaker 1: traveling on their road trip.
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Speaker 3: So they were traveling on this road trip from July
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Speaker 3: eleventh to the nineteenth, so eight days in total.
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Speaker 1: Eight days in total, very difficult for daddy. Finally gets
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Speaker 1: time with the daughter and then after he stops for
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Speaker 1: a pit stop, she disappears. Listen to Captain Robert McConnell.
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Speaker 5: So the suspect's initial account is that he had pulled
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Speaker 5: over in the area of bax Of twenty two in
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Speaker 5: Lake George, pulled over to a parking lot to yearinate
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Speaker 5: is inditial reports. He steps away to a wood wooden area,
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Speaker 5: returns to the vehicle and at that point his child
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Speaker 5: has gone from the vehicle. He reports a suspicious white
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Speaker 5: van fleeing the scene southbound.
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Speaker 1: The dreaded white van. How many times is it me,
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Speaker 1: Dan Murphy, former NYPD or is it always a white van?
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Speaker 1: I mean the story I just told you about Cherish
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Speaker 1: Peririweagle that was a white van. Why is it always
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Speaker 1: a white van?
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Speaker 7: Yes, it does seem to be a white van a lot.
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Speaker 7: That was one of my first thoughts when I saw
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Speaker 7: the report as well, You've got to be kidding me.
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Speaker 7: How many white vans are there out there abducting children? Yeah,
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Speaker 7: that to me struck me as a little, a little
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Speaker 7: repetitive from many cases in the past.
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Speaker 1: Crime stories. With Nancy Grace, it was just a vacation,
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Speaker 1: a planned vacation. The whole family had been looking forward
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Speaker 1: to it. Listen, it was just a vacation.
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Speaker 5: It was a planned vacation. They visited a couple locations
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Speaker 5: in Connecticut, as well as New York. They're most recently
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Speaker 5: in New York City. She had no concerns for dur City.
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Speaker 5: While she's with him, she knew that he was taking
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Speaker 5: here on the strip. The Warren County Sheriff's Office sent
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Speaker 5: every resource available to investigate this, right, it's inception same
21:10
Speaker 5: with New York State Police. We had us in conjunction
21:13
Speaker 5: with the law enforcement partners. We had aviation, drones, canine investigators,
21:20
Speaker 5: uniform troopers. Every resource we had to bear we applied
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Speaker 5: in this investigation.
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Speaker 1: When a nine year old little girl goes missing off
21:28
Speaker 1: a family vacation, an amber alert is issued. An all
21:34
Speaker 1: out searched by land by water ensues, but then a
21:39
Speaker 1: disturbing detail emerges listen jering a subsequent interview.
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Speaker 5: He then reports two unknown males forster into a white van.
21:48
Speaker 9: New York State Police suspects something isn't right when Luciano
21:51
Speaker 9: Frattolin first says he saw a white van speeding away
21:54
Speaker 9: from the shoulder, then claims he actually saw two men
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Speaker 9: dragging Molina into a white van.
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Speaker 1: Okay, let me understand what's happening to Sidney Sumner Crime
22:04
Speaker 1: Story's investigative reporter. At first, Dad says, he leaves the
22:10
Speaker 1: vehicle just for a pit stop to your innate on
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Speaker 1: the side of the road and gets back to the
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Speaker 1: car and sees a white van speeding off. Now I'm hearing,
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Speaker 1: he says, he spots two unknown males forcing his daughter
22:27
Speaker 1: into a flite van. That is a subtle but very
22:31
Speaker 1: critical different Sydney.
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Speaker 6: Absolutely, it plays a huge part in police starting an investigation,
22:38
Speaker 6: knowing where to look what's going on. So at first
22:41
Speaker 6: he says, you know, maybe this van had something to
22:46
Speaker 6: do with my daughter disappearing from the car. So he
22:49
Speaker 6: thinks maybe my daughter has been kidnapped, and then he
22:52
Speaker 6: changes his story to no, I watched her get kidnapped.
22:56
Speaker 6: I was walking back to the car. I see people
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Speaker 6: dragging her from my car to this white band. I'm
23:03
Speaker 6: running back up trying to stop them, but they speed
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Speaker 6: off before I can get there, so changes the story hugely.
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Speaker 1: Jason Otions is a veteran trial lawyer in this jurisdiction
23:15
Speaker 1: where little Molina goes missing. Jason, you and I have
23:19
Speaker 1: talked a lot about inconsistent statements, and I never have
23:23
Speaker 1: a problem with a witness or a victim adding to
23:28
Speaker 1: their statement. In fact, when they add to their statement.
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Speaker 1: I blame the questioner because I believe the questioner didn't
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Speaker 1: ask the right question to start with. You have to
23:37
Speaker 1: change the question up. You have to come at it
23:39
Speaker 1: from different angles to get every single fact. Adding to
23:43
Speaker 1: a statement, I don't have a problem embellishing your statement. Good,
23:46
Speaker 1: give me more facts. But when you change the statement,
23:50
Speaker 1: I guess you're going to tell me that he really
23:52
Speaker 1: didn't change his statement, because I think he did.
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Speaker 8: No Nanty. I think in the critical analysis of what
23:58
Speaker 8: we're talking about, it's essential for the investigator to possibly
24:01
Speaker 8: ask eight questions to get that one handswer and bring
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Speaker 8: it out. I can cross and ask the same question
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Speaker 8: almost you multiple times, trying to elicit what I'm looking for.
24:13
Speaker 8: Perhaps so an investigator operates the same way as you
24:16
Speaker 8: and I do from a prosecutor side or a criminal
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Speaker 8: defense side. But your analysis of that is exactly right,
24:22
Speaker 8: and that's seemingly the details that lead the police to
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Speaker 8: question the father.
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Speaker 1: Adding on to a statement, no problem changing a statement.
24:32
Speaker 1: I mean, doctor Chloe Carmichael, to this day. To this day,
24:37
Speaker 1: doctor Chloe, I recall the last moment I saw my
24:41
Speaker 1: fiance Keith before he was murdered. He was leaving my
24:44
Speaker 1: parents home, and he was driving away in a white vehic,
24:48
Speaker 1: his white vehicle, and he lifted up his left arm
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Speaker 1: out of the car and waved over the car, and
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Speaker 1: I waved back. That's the last time I saw him.
24:58
Speaker 1: I remember it at this moment exactly what happened. And
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Speaker 1: I have a really hard time with the fact that
25:04
Speaker 1: the dad changed his story about the last moment he
25:09
Speaker 1: saw his daughter. First, just when he gets out of
25:12
Speaker 1: the car to go urinate, pisted up in the woods.
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Speaker 1: Now he actually sees her getting dragged into a white van.
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Speaker 1: Because that gives me a lot of questions. Dragged by
25:23
Speaker 1: who did you say? Two men? Was she screaming? Did
25:25
Speaker 1: they seem to know her? Did she know them? Were
25:27
Speaker 1: they white? Were they Asian? Were they black? Did they
25:30
Speaker 1: have facial hair? How tall were they? I mean a
25:32
Speaker 1: lot of questions. Right, that's a big change, Doctor Chloe.
25:37
Speaker 1: You can't remember the last moment you saw your daughter,
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Speaker 1: your nine year old little girl.
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Speaker 4: No, of course, Nancy are absolutely right to omit such
25:46
Speaker 4: an important fact. It just it boggles logic. So if
25:51
Speaker 4: you're a father, your daughter is being dragged away by
25:56
Speaker 4: two men, and yet you don't see fit two men
26:00
Speaker 4: that when you initially speak to police. It's just it's
26:04
Speaker 4: one of the most obvious points of information that a
26:07
Speaker 4: father or any parent, or even just a casual bystander
26:12
Speaker 4: would make sure to relay to the police. So yeah,
26:16
Speaker 4: I would be very suspicious of that as well.
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Speaker 1: And you know, doctor Chloe, very often we hear arguments that, well,
26:23
Speaker 1: he was under a lot of stress. Okay, fine, we're
26:26
Speaker 1: all under stress. But in that moment, you can't remember
26:28
Speaker 1: the last time you see your daughter. I mean Dan
26:31
Speaker 1: Murphy joining me, former NYPD star of Goldshields podcast. I
26:36
Speaker 1: would be all over him like white on Rice when
26:38
Speaker 1: he changed the last moment he sees his daughter. How
26:42
Speaker 1: can you screw that up?
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Speaker 7: You can't. You can't unless you're making something up or
26:46
Speaker 7: unless you're thinking on the fly. Now, an individual like this,
26:49
Speaker 7: you say he's under pressure and stress. That's believable. But
26:53
Speaker 7: believe me, every legitimate victim I've seen who's had a
26:57
Speaker 7: family member either abducted or seriously injured member is a
27:00
Speaker 7: great deal of things about that moment, especially when immediately
27:03
Speaker 7: confronted by law enforcement. In this case, you want to
27:06
Speaker 7: tell them everything you know. He kept it very generic
27:10
Speaker 7: at first, and it's as though he's thinking of the
27:13
Speaker 7: story in his mind. I have to make something more up,
27:16
Speaker 7: I have to add more to it.
27:17
Speaker 1: Then A very disturbing update, A heartbreaking update from Captain McConnell.
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Speaker 5: On Sunday, July twentieth, a search detail compris of officers
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Speaker 5: from multiple agencies conducted an organized search in the town
27:32
Speaker 5: of taikonder Rogan, New York, in an area, an area
27:36
Speaker 5: mister Frettonne was suspected of having visited. During that search detail,
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Speaker 5: at approximately ten to fifty members of the New York
27:43
Speaker 5: State Police Forest Rangers located Molina, deceased in the shallow
27:47
Speaker 5: portion of a pond.
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Speaker 2: Investigators are tight liped as to why, but the search
27:52
Speaker 2: for Molina leads detectives to tykond Roga, about forty miles
27:56
Speaker 2: north of where the little girl's father says she was
27:59
Speaker 2: last seen and one of their stomps on their road trip.
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Speaker 2: Authorities aren't searching long before they announced a discovery at
28:06
Speaker 2: one fifty pm. It's Molina, her body found hidden under
28:10
Speaker 2: a log in the shallows of a pond. It's still
28:13
Speaker 2: uncertain how Molina died, but it's clear she hadn't been
28:17
Speaker 2: there very long, and someone tried to conceal her body
28:20
Speaker 2: straight out.
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Speaker 1: To investigative reporter WRGBCBS six Albany, Laura Jimmette, Laura again,
28:28
Speaker 1: thank you for being with us. Explained to me how
28:31
Speaker 1: her body was seemingly hidden.
28:34
Speaker 3: So when they went out to tech Honderoga and state
28:38
Speaker 3: police also talked a little bit about how they knew
28:42
Speaker 3: to go out there. This was through inconsistencies with the
28:46
Speaker 3: father's story and just through different technology. So when they
28:49
Speaker 3: were searching the wood, they came across a small pond,
28:51
Speaker 3: a small body of water, and they stated how her
28:55
Speaker 3: body was pressed under the log. So she was trying
28:59
Speaker 3: to be con field, but it was clear that she
29:02
Speaker 3: was under there.
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Speaker 1: When you mentioned large met technology, obviously the phones were pinged.
29:10
Speaker 1: Obviously phones were pined to put her in a certain area.
29:15
Speaker 1: All of that is being investigated as we speak tonight,
29:20
Speaker 1: but we do know her body was hidden. This little
29:24
Speaker 1: nine year old girl, just scrubbed in sunshine, was forced
29:30
Speaker 1: under a log much less like Cherish Periwinkle was. Now,
29:34
Speaker 1: this is what I'm getting at to Dan Murphy, former
29:37
Speaker 1: NYPD and star of gold Shields podcast, That is concealing
29:42
Speaker 1: the body and when there is a random attack, a
29:46
Speaker 1: random murder, let's just say a carjacking or a robbery,
29:54
Speaker 1: a burglary, and the victim is home and so the
29:58
Speaker 1: park kills them. Typically well overwhelmingly statistically, the purp doesn't
30:05
Speaker 1: take time to stage the scene. They're out of there.
30:11
Speaker 1: So I would say, almost universally, this means it was
30:16
Speaker 1: someone that knows her that took the time to hide
30:22
Speaker 1: her body. Right, Can you say it better than I did?
30:27
Speaker 1: The staging of the scene that's trying to conceal the
30:29
Speaker 1: body tells me it's not random.
30:31
Speaker 7: I agree with you, it's not random. And this kind
30:33
Speaker 7: of situation, hiding the body like that is almost like
30:35
Speaker 7: putting a blanket over someone when they get killed in
30:38
Speaker 7: a home. It's an act of care. You don't want
30:40
Speaker 7: to see the body. You either don't want to see
30:43
Speaker 7: it yourself, or you don't want to see it harmed anymore.
30:45
Speaker 7: In this case, out in the woods, maybe hiding it
30:48
Speaker 7: under there's twofold one. It takes longer to find it,
30:50
Speaker 7: so maybe it gives him more time to run. But secondly,
30:53
Speaker 7: it gives whoever did this the opportunity to say, well,
30:57
Speaker 7: I didn't let animals get at it or something like that.
31:00
Speaker 7: A weird psychology to it. But yes, you would generally
31:03
Speaker 7: see people who are the random killers that they just
31:06
Speaker 7: dump it and run. But in cases like these is.
31:09
Speaker 1: Typically so you know what we're seeing that right now, Dan.
31:12
Speaker 1: In the case of Suzanne Morphew, a mom out of
31:16
Speaker 1: Colorado who goes missing on a bike ride on Mother's Day,
31:22
Speaker 1: Suzanne was not murdered where her body was found, and
31:29
Speaker 1: investigative forensics experts can tell that because of the condition
31:35
Speaker 1: in which the body was found, she was not murdered there.
31:38
Speaker 1: She was dumped their post mortem, which is staging. So
31:44
Speaker 1: obviously someone wanted to hide her body. Why because her
31:49
Speaker 1: body would point to them. I think that's what happened
31:53
Speaker 1: in this case. Someone tried to hide the nine year
31:56
Speaker 1: old little girl, Molina's body under a log submerged in water.
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Speaker 1: Why joining me now a special guest doctor Kendall Crown's
32:05
Speaker 1: chief medical Examiner, Terrance County. That's Fort Worth, as I
32:08
Speaker 1: like to say, never a lack of business in the
32:11
Speaker 1: morgue at Fort Worth. He is the star of a
32:13
Speaker 1: brand new podcast and Mayhem in the Morgue, and he
32:17
Speaker 1: is an esteemed lecturer at the Burnett School of Medicine
32:20
Speaker 1: at TCU. Okay, Doctor Kendall Crowns, I need to know
32:26
Speaker 1: what forensic evidence I can get off this little girl's body.
32:30
Speaker 1: She's been submerged in water. We believe, according to law
32:35
Speaker 1: enforcement in that jurisdiction, that she was killed between seven
32:38
Speaker 1: forty pm and nine twelve pm. And heartbreakingly, this is
32:43
Speaker 1: about an hour after the mother spoke to her and
32:46
Speaker 1: everything was fine. An hour and ten minutes later, she's dead.
32:51
Speaker 1: So help me out what can we glean from her
32:55
Speaker 1: body and how, Doctor Kendall Crowns, Okay.
32:59
Speaker 10: So pretty much, it sounds like she's probably beaten and strangled.
33:05
Speaker 10: So what you'll see on the body is bruising about
33:08
Speaker 10: the head and neck, possibly on the chest. Internally, there'll
33:12
Speaker 10: be hemorrhages in the neck musculature. There might be little
33:16
Speaker 10: pinpoint hemorrhages which are called particular hemorrhages in the eyes,
33:19
Speaker 10: which are seen with strangulations as well. Due to her age,
33:24
Speaker 10: there probably won't be any fracturing of the bones around
33:28
Speaker 10: her neck, the highway bone, the thyroid cartilage, those won't
33:31
Speaker 10: be fractured because she's too young. But what you'll see
33:34
Speaker 10: internally is a lot of neck muscle hemorrhage from a strangulation. Now,
33:39
Speaker 10: if she's been beaten about the head, you'll see bruises
33:42
Speaker 10: of the head. You possibly will see skull fractures, and
33:44
Speaker 10: you might see hemorrhages on the brain called subarachnoid hemorrhages
33:49
Speaker 10: or subdural hemorrhages as well. So you might have a
33:52
Speaker 10: combination of beating with a strangulation. But that's what she'll
33:56
Speaker 10: be really looking.
33:57
Speaker 1: For crime stores with Nancy Grace, Doctor gentle Crowns, How
34:12
Speaker 1: can I find evidence on her that can point me
34:16
Speaker 1: to the perp? How likely is it that DNA on
34:20
Speaker 1: her body would survive being pushed under a log and
34:24
Speaker 1: submerged in water.
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Speaker 10: So with the DNA that she would have with blunt
34:28
Speaker 10: force injuries or strangulation, it'd be more of the touch
34:31
Speaker 10: DNA on the surface of the skin, and that can
34:34
Speaker 10: be obscured by being submerged in water, especially if she's
34:37
Speaker 10: in there for a prolonged period of time. So it
34:40
Speaker 10: may be difficult to necessarily get DNA from the body
34:44
Speaker 10: that can implicate an individual. But the problem is is
34:47
Speaker 10: she's with her father on this trip, so any she's
34:52
Speaker 10: going to be covered in his DNA potentially, so if
34:56
Speaker 10: they are able to get DNA, it will obviously be his,
35:00
Speaker 10: and they would be looking for someone else's to corroborate
35:02
Speaker 10: his story.
35:03
Speaker 1: Right, the fact that she may have her dad's DNA
35:06
Speaker 1: on her body would not necessarily prove anything. I mean,
35:10
Speaker 1: if he had hugged her that morning, or picked her
35:13
Speaker 1: up and put her on a ride or anything like
35:16
Speaker 1: that could have left DNA. I still don't know if
35:18
Speaker 1: she was clothed or unclothed, which would make a big
35:21
Speaker 1: difference in the type of DNA if any is found
35:23
Speaker 1: on the body. Would you agree with that, Doctor Kenvil.
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Speaker 10: Crowns, I would agree with that. And the very fact
35:27
Speaker 10: that she's in a car with him, she's going to
35:30
Speaker 10: be coated with his DNA if she is knew, that
35:34
Speaker 10: could mean that she was possibly sexually assaulted, and in
35:37
Speaker 10: that situation there would be able to recover DNA from
35:41
Speaker 10: her vaginal orifices or anal orifice, or even her oral
35:46
Speaker 10: orifices as well, even though she's in water.
35:50
Speaker 9: Alise alleged Foratlan fabricated the entire kidnapping story after killing
35:54
Speaker 9: Molina and dumping her body in a remote area.
35:56
Speaker 1: Hours earlier he reported this.
35:59
Speaker 5: He all he fabricated the initial report of the abduction,
36:02
Speaker 5: and he was in in the custody of police from
36:05
Speaker 5: that point on. Sometime after Molina's phone call with her
36:09
Speaker 5: mother and before Monsieur Frattolin's nih one call, he allegedly
36:13
Speaker 5: murdered Molina and left her body in a remote area
36:17
Speaker 5: where she's later discovered by law enforcement. Initial reports from
36:21
Speaker 5: mister Frattolan of a suspicious white band in the area
36:24
Speaker 5: of the alleged disappearance, which proven to be untrue. The
36:29
Speaker 5: suspect has been charged with the murder in the second
36:31
Speaker 5: degree and concealment of human corpse.
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Speaker 1: So it was all a hoax to cover up a murder.
36:39
Speaker 1: It's really hard for me to deal with the timing
36:41
Speaker 1: because at six thirty pm, Molina was alive and well,
36:46
Speaker 1: if you said, talking to her mom on the phone,
36:48
Speaker 1: had had a great time with dad, was on the
36:51
Speaker 1: way home. What could possibly have been the motive to
36:56
Speaker 1: do this? To Sidney Sumner from Crime Stories, what's it
37:00
Speaker 1: potential momive?
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Speaker 6: Well, Nancy, the parents have been divorced or separated since
37:05
Speaker 6: twenty nineteen, and I'm sure that comes with some kind
37:08
Speaker 6: of financial arrangement to take care of their little girl.
37:13
Speaker 6: Dad appears very very successful on social media. He owns
37:17
Speaker 6: a coffee company. He posted something about a Netflix project. So,
37:24
Speaker 6: by all accounts, Dad looks to be a very successful businessman,
37:28
Speaker 6: and mom may have expected him to continue contributing to
37:33
Speaker 6: Molina's up raving.
37:35
Speaker 1: Straight out to Laura Jimett WRGBCBS six, is it true
37:40
Speaker 1: that the dad. Let's see that shot of him from
37:42
Speaker 1: Facebook again. He's clad in all black and kind of
37:47
Speaker 1: a ninja outfit. Is it true, Laura Jamet that he
37:51
Speaker 1: was two hundred thousand dollars in debt? How did he
37:56
Speaker 1: get that deeply in debt? And how much of that
37:58
Speaker 1: was child support? Or do we even know that yet?
38:01
Speaker 3: Yeah, they are saying right now that he was struggling
38:04
Speaker 3: to pay child support and that he was in debt
38:08
Speaker 3: with something to do with his coffee business.
38:11
Speaker 1: What coffee business? Could you explain his coffee business? Gambella?
38:15
Speaker 3: So he was he is, He was a founder of
38:18
Speaker 3: Gambella Coffee and he was an entrepreneur and a lot
38:22
Speaker 3: of there's a lot of talk about him being in debt,
38:26
Speaker 3: either because of the business or just certain things surrounding
38:30
Speaker 3: that but it's not confirmed yet.
38:32
Speaker 1: At this time, the Gambella coffee business was very intricately
38:38
Speaker 1: described online. Sidney Sumner doesn't describe him the father growing
38:44
Speaker 1: up quote running between the fragrant, fragrant and beautifully colored
38:50
Speaker 1: coffee beans as a boy. He named it after a hometown. Correct.
38:55
Speaker 6: Yes, yes, So what we know about for Toland is
38:59
Speaker 6: that he did a significant amount of time in Ethiopia,
39:03
Speaker 6: so this copy company is very near and dear to
39:07
Speaker 6: his heart. This is something from his hometown that he
39:10
Speaker 6: founded and started. So even if it was a financial drain,
39:15
Speaker 6: I could see that he would put money hoping that
39:19
Speaker 6: this sinking ship would stay above water.
39:21
Speaker 1: This is after a recent posting by dad showing his
39:26
Speaker 1: daughter where he was taking her sledding. Let's see that,
39:30
Speaker 1: because it's seemingly incongruent, Doctor Chloe Carmichael, that he's posting
39:34
Speaker 1: all these loving videos and then just before he goes
39:38
Speaker 1: to take her back to mom, faced with two hundred
39:40
Speaker 1: thousand dollars of debt, he murders her and hides her
39:44
Speaker 1: body under a log. Yes, Nancy.
39:47
Speaker 4: The whole thing I think is it raises eyebrows, to
39:50
Speaker 4: say the least, you know when he's posting all of
39:53
Speaker 4: those videos. As a clinical psychologist, what comes to me
39:56
Speaker 4: and for me is what we call impression management. Obviously
40:00
Speaker 4: going to a lot of effort to literally broadcast to people, hey,
40:04
Speaker 4: I'm a great dad.
40:05
Speaker 1: You know, I have fun with my daughter.
40:08
Speaker 4: As was also discussed about the white van and then
40:12
Speaker 4: the fact that his beautiful little girl was then found underwater,
40:17
Speaker 4: I as a psychologist, would actually start to ask myself,
40:21
Speaker 4: you know, these are some major coincidences. I would like
40:24
Speaker 4: to be able to see his search history on his phone.
40:28
Speaker 4: Was he googling and learning about past situations where little girls,
40:32
Speaker 4: you know, were kidnapped and disappeared? You know, supposedly he
40:38
Speaker 4: was this He liked to broadcast an image of himself
40:40
Speaker 4: as this, you know, successful, kind of neat freak type
40:44
Speaker 4: of person, even though from what I understand, his social
40:47
Speaker 4: media posts also acknowledge that he found his daughter to
40:50
Speaker 4: be kind of chaotic and messy. But of course he
40:52
Speaker 4: praised himself in that regard to saying, you know, but
40:55
Speaker 4: I've you know, learned to accept this a lot of times,
40:59
Speaker 4: that that perfectionism and that neat freak side is actually
41:03
Speaker 4: about a desire to control and when somebody just can't
41:07
Speaker 4: tolerate that, and then you know she's messing with his
41:10
Speaker 4: bank account. In his mind, of course, it's just it's
41:12
Speaker 4: a natural duty of him as a parent to provide.
41:15
Speaker 4: But there's obviously something going on there, and I'm disgusted
41:19
Speaker 4: at all of this, but I'm glad at the very
41:21
Speaker 4: least that we're shining a light and looking at what
41:23
Speaker 4: happened to this beautiful little girl.
41:25
Speaker 1: You know, Dan Murphy joining me former NYPD in Store
41:28
Speaker 1: of gold Shields podcast. Dan, you pointed out a very
41:34
Speaker 1: significant fact earlier. There's no way that this dad is
41:39
Speaker 1: going to be able to claim any sort of mental
41:42
Speaker 1: defect such as temporary insanity, a delusion, because you got
41:48
Speaker 1: him dead in the water. Explain.
41:50
Speaker 7: Yeah, a guy like this, in a case like this,
41:53
Speaker 7: he has gone through all this work to cover up
41:57
Speaker 7: what he's done, to deflect, to move law enforcement in
42:00
Speaker 7: different directions. You cannot claim a temporary insanity defense. I'm
42:05
Speaker 7: not an attorney, but how do you do that when
42:07
Speaker 7: you have all this concentrated effort focused on getting the
42:11
Speaker 7: attention away from you. Now, if he had done something
42:15
Speaker 7: and snapped back into reality and called right away, showing
42:19
Speaker 7: he really just lost it and cared for his daughter.
42:22
Speaker 7: There'd be a glimmer of hope for some sort of
42:24
Speaker 7: a claim like that, But in this case, he has
42:27
Speaker 7: done everything he can do to push it off to
42:29
Speaker 7: somebody else and to keep the attention away from himself.
42:32
Speaker 7: That to me strikes of premeditation.
42:35
Speaker 1: In the act, Dan Murphy, you were describing earlier how
42:38
Speaker 1: he intentionally circled back to the dump side the pond
42:45
Speaker 1: in a wooded area under a log to coordinate it
42:50
Speaker 1: with where the white van may have taken her. Explain
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Speaker 1: your theory.
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Speaker 7: If he is going to say that a white van
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Speaker 7: with two people took my daughter and headed off down
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Speaker 7: the highway, he's going to have to make sure that
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Speaker 7: she is found someplace not near where he is. That
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Speaker 7: it's plausible that they took her off, did something with her,
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Speaker 7: and then dropped her and dumped her, as opposed to
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Speaker 7: having it be anywhere near him. So this takes the
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Speaker 7: thought of him driving looking for a place to do
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Speaker 7: this and thinking to his head, where would it make
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Speaker 7: sense that someone who kidnapped my daughter would take her,
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Speaker 7: that would have privacy, that nobody would see them, that
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Speaker 7: they could get away with it and continue on their way.
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Speaker 7: This is all acts of somebody who is thinking on
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Speaker 7: the run, on the fly, but trying to come up
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Speaker 7: with a plausible explanation for what happened.
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Speaker 1: We stop to remember an American hero, Deputy Sheriff Frank
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Speaker 1: Bordinaro Genesee County Sheriffs forty four, killed in the line
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Speaker 1: of duty after nineteen years of service, leaving behind grieving
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Speaker 1: wife now widow. Robin had two sons, Bryce and Chase,
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Speaker 1: American hero, but his Sheriff Frank Bordinor Nancy Grace signing
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Speaker 1: off good bye friend,