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What It’s Like to Be a Christian in Iran | Lana Silk on Faith, Persecution, and Hope · Crosswalk Talk: Celebrity Christian Interviews

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Speaker 1: Life audio Heylana, thanks for joining me. Thank you very
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Speaker 1: much for having me.
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Speaker 2: Lana Silp, President and CEO of Transform Iran, Transform Iran
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Speaker 2: dot com as the website. Lana, what were your first
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Speaker 2: thoughts when you learned about the initial attack on Iran
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Speaker 2: joint operation from the US and Israel and how did
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Speaker 2: your emotions change when you learned that the Supreme Leader
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Speaker 2: had been killed.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, these are the global questions, aren't they. I think
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Speaker 3: the context is really important for the emotional response because
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Speaker 3: we've had two months of really brutal crackdowns in the
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Speaker 3: country and a lot of them, a lot of the
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Speaker 3: protests inspired by encouragement by the Crown Prince, but also,
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Speaker 3: of course some of what President trub was saying in
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Speaker 3: terms of that there would be consequences if the protests
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Speaker 3: protesters were to.
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Speaker 1: Be hurt, and that you know, America was behind them.
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Speaker 3: It gave people that extra bit of courage to really
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Speaker 3: come together. And there was quite a lot of expectation
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Speaker 3: in the first week or two that there would be
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Speaker 3: Western intervention and help, particularly with coming off the back
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Speaker 3: of what happened in Venezuela, and there was a sense of, oh, this.
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Speaker 1: Is what the Americans are capable of that. We're very excited.
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Speaker 3: So you know, that has then led to about a
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Speaker 3: month of severe struggle for the Uradian people, with tens
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Speaker 3: of thousands of people being killed, tens of thousands more
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Speaker 3: incarcerated tortured.
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Speaker 1: I mean, I've heard so many first.
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Speaker 3: Hand accounts, hand accounts of people in connected to our
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Speaker 3: own organization and the kind of brutality the experienced in prison.
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Speaker 3: So the sort of sentiment had become one of losing hope.
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Speaker 3: One of the messages I got from inside was one
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Speaker 3: of our leaders crying, saying it's clear.
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Speaker 1: To us now that no help is coming from America.
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Speaker 1: So that's the context then.
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Speaker 3: So then when you get the news that there's been
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Speaker 3: an attack, this sort of euphoric had this really happened,
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Speaker 3: Oh my goodness kind of response. Of course, all the
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Speaker 3: pieces were in playing. We figured maybe something was up.
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Speaker 1: You know, all these military arsenal being moved to the area.
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Speaker 3: At the beginning, you wonder if it was power play,
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Speaker 3: but there was so much that was being invested there
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Speaker 3: that we did have a sense there's more.
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Speaker 1: Surely something is going to happen here. So that was
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Speaker 1: the initial reaction. Of course, then Immediately mixed in with
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Speaker 1: that is your concern for life. You know, people are
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Speaker 1: gonna die. No one wants people to die.
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Speaker 3: What I've been reminding our listeners, our audiences has been
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Speaker 3: from the Iranian perspective. People were dying anyway, and they
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Speaker 3: were dying in much greater numbers. So as devastating as
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Speaker 3: it is for even one person to lose their life,
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Speaker 3: the reality in Iran was thousands and thousands more were
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Speaker 3: gonna lose our lives at the hands of this regime.
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Speaker 3: And the people themselves fully understand this. So there is
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Speaker 3: a sense of we're doing what needs to be done.
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Speaker 3: And when Flamena was taken out, I have to say,
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Speaker 3: for several hours I didn't believe it, you know, just
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Speaker 3: really have we achieved this? And then my sort of
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Speaker 3: Christian response kicked in for me. There was a sense of,
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Speaker 3: you know, every life matters, every life is important for God.
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Speaker 3: And then Word of God tells us that God doesn't
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Speaker 3: even delight in the loss of any life, even the wicked,
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Speaker 3: So I do there's a caution here for us as
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Speaker 3: a ministry that we don't sort of dance on grades,
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Speaker 3: you know, we don't want that kind of response.
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Speaker 1: It is a tragedy on every level.
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Speaker 3: He was a wicked man who did unthinkable, wicked things,
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Speaker 3: and there is definitely a relief that he is no
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Speaker 3: longer able to continue to cause suffering. But it's sad
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Speaker 3: that he never repented, that he never corrected what he
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Speaker 3: had done, and that's he's just going to have to
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Speaker 3: face the eternal consequences of the way he lived his life.
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Speaker 3: But from a sort of political point of view and
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Speaker 3: in terms of the regime, then it is it's really
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Speaker 3: a good thing that.
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Speaker 1: He is no longer leading Iran.
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Speaker 2: For those who don't follow world events, what role did
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Speaker 2: the IOLA play in the Middle East turmoil and the
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Speaker 2: terrorism throughout the region? I mean, was he kind of
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Speaker 2: the main guy?
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Speaker 1: Absolutely? So he is the main guy in Iran and
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Speaker 1: the supreme leader. That role is a lifetime role.
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Speaker 3: We've only ever had two since Iran became an Islamic republic.
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Speaker 3: It's not electable. It's a very inside kind of process
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Speaker 3: that puts him in power, and he would ordinarily have
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Speaker 3: named his successor. It was crazy to many people that
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Speaker 3: he hadn't done that. So and Iran then, as the
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Speaker 3: next step, is the power behind almost all of the
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Speaker 3: suffering that we see in the Middle East. You know,
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Speaker 3: the people often say it's the number one state sponsor
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Speaker 3: of terrorism. So Hamas and all of that we saw
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Speaker 3: with October seven and the fighting with Israel.
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Speaker 1: Aahamas is funded largely by Iran.
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Speaker 3: A lot of their strategies and training come from Iran,
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Speaker 3: a lot of their weapons come from Iran. Same for
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Speaker 3: Hezbola bel Huti, the Zamin Jihadis. I mean, the list
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Speaker 3: just goes on, and it's not just in the Middleast.
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Speaker 3: Iran has been very careful and strategic to stretch wider
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Speaker 3: into North Africa, South America. Allegiances are far and wide,
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Speaker 3: and that's part of the benefits, if you can call
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Speaker 3: it that of having someone in charge that is there
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Speaker 3: for life, that they can really play a long game
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Speaker 3: and plan things and put things in motion years and
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Speaker 3: years in advance with the confidence that they will be
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Speaker 3: around to see them through.
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Speaker 2: What is your confidence level that the next leader of
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Speaker 2: Iran will be better for the people, will be better
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Speaker 2: for the region, will be better for freedom, that the
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Speaker 2: future is actually brighter. What needs to happen there?
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Speaker 3: A leader that is elected in the same processes that
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Speaker 3: Hamine was elected will not necessarily be any better, and
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Speaker 3: our work is definitely not done. We had an interesting
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Speaker 3: run of events with Hezbolahla year or where they kept
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Speaker 3: re electing a new person in charge and then these
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Speaker 3: rays kept taking them out, And we're kind of in
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Speaker 3: that territory now where we have to make sure that
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Speaker 3: we don't just leave a job half done.
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Speaker 1: There are hundreds of thousands.
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Speaker 3: I mean, it's no one knows for sure that there's
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Speaker 3: about one hundred and ninety thousand RGC agents in Iran,
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Speaker 3: and it's very very mysterious exactly how many bassigi we have.
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Speaker 3: It could be anything from fifty thousand to five million,
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Speaker 3: and some of the numbers that are being claimed, but
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Speaker 3: I think you could say, like no, hundreds of thousands
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Speaker 3: of people that work within Iran sort of military judicial,
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Speaker 3: sort of central powerhouse that are actioning all of the
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Speaker 3: atrocities that are happening at the command of the Supreme Leader.
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Speaker 1: But only the very cream at the top progamly be
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Speaker 1: the ones that are ideological in this mission, that are
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Speaker 1: really in the know with.
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Speaker 3: The internal strategies and the long games are being played
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Speaker 3: in other countries. So if we take enough off the top,
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Speaker 3: I think We're going to be left with largely people
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Speaker 3: who were there for mercery reasons, who are corrupt you
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Speaker 3: just want to have power, or who you know, want
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Speaker 3: to get rich, and those are pieces that are people
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Speaker 3: that are easier to swell.
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Speaker 2: Okay, So going back to the initial question, though, I mean,
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Speaker 2: how confident are we that that's the next leader?
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Speaker 3: I mean, no, we're not.
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Speaker 2: We're all wondering that.
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Speaker 3: Yeah we're okay, yeah, not not the immediate next leader.
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Speaker 3: I guess that was my long answer to say, we
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Speaker 3: can't just stop here. The Supreme Leader is going to
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Speaker 3: get re elected and the new Supreme Meder is not
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Speaker 3: likely to be any better. We have to get a
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Speaker 3: few layers further down.
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Speaker 1: To get there. We're not far off.
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Speaker 3: You know, forty seven of the key decision makers have
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Speaker 3: been taken out. We were having a meeting this morning
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Speaker 3: thinking we we think that probably there's eight to ten
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Speaker 3: other original corps that are left. And then you're coming
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Speaker 3: on to people that weren't privy to those conversations two
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Speaker 3: months ago. So immediately, no, I think the next person
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Speaker 3: in it is not going to be necessarily any better.
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Speaker 3: But we're on the right trajectory.
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Speaker 2: Okay, Well, there were thousands and thousands of people on
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Speaker 2: the streets back in December January. Yes, is that kind
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Speaker 2: of the best case scenario that the people just take
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Speaker 2: over and uprise and we get something.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, we actually have a really good, viable alternative Iran,
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Speaker 3: and we have a slightly different situation to where we've
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Speaker 3: seen these kinds of Middle Eastern conflicts before, where there
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Speaker 3: was either a power struggle or not a really clear alternative.
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Speaker 1: But we have the Crown Prince razapah Abbi.
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Speaker 3: His dad was exiled in nineteen seventy eight when the
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Speaker 3: new regime was brought in, and you know, he's in
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Speaker 3: the sixties now and he will say that he has
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Speaker 3: spent his whole life preparing for this moment, and the
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Speaker 3: people of Iran have really rallied behind him. And the
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Speaker 3: most important thing right now is unity, particularly in the
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Speaker 3: country like Iran where we have some very important and
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Speaker 3: not small ethnic minorities that could lead to balganization. You
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Speaker 3: could get a separate Kurtistan, as rebelogist on, no one
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Speaker 3: really wants that. But unless there's a force that will
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Speaker 3: unite everyone behind a leader where they feel that they're
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Speaker 3: not going to have more of the same, then that's
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Speaker 3: a great danger. So and Palavi's big message has been
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Speaker 3: that I'm not after power, I don't need to rule.
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Speaker 3: I'm going to form a transitionary government that's going to
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Speaker 3: lead to a referendum where the people can say what
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Speaker 3: they want. And I think that's our best next step.
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Speaker 3: So the people in Iran right now, all they can
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Speaker 3: do is apply force, protest, maybe you know, storm some
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Speaker 3: government buildings when things change a little bit.
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Speaker 1: But the one that's going to be able to lead
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Speaker 1: them well is not internal. That's going to be Palavi.
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Speaker 1: I think.
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Speaker 2: That's the Shaw's son. For those who know their history
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Speaker 2: in the Shaw of Arian, this is a Shaw's son
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Speaker 2: that we're talking about. The crown prints how much support,
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Speaker 2: by the way, does the current regime even have heard
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Speaker 2: estimates that maybe pops twenty percent of the country supports.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, twenty percent this morning. I would be amazed if
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Speaker 3: it was twenty percent. I think we're talking ten and
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Speaker 3: less really right now. If you think about the number
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Speaker 3: of people, those who are immediately affiliated with the regime
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Speaker 3: are going to be less than a million, and a
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Speaker 3: lot of their own families are anti regime. I listened
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Speaker 3: to a voice call from the daughter of one of
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Speaker 3: the iatolas on live TV, crying in despair, saying how
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Speaker 3: much she hated her father, how much her mother hated
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Speaker 3: their father, how much they hated what he'd done, and
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Speaker 3: she she felt she had no way out of it
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Speaker 3: because she was trapped on the inside of this and
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Speaker 3: he'd already prepared passports with fake names and suitcases full
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Speaker 3: of dollars for them to escape, and she was distraught. Actually,
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Speaker 3: I think she was the daughter of one of the
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Speaker 3: RGC commanders. But you know, so even there an immediate
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Speaker 3: families aren't for them. I mean two million, three million tops,
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Speaker 3: you know it would take you you're going to you
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Speaker 3: need to get to ten million for it to be
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Speaker 3: ten percent, So I'd be surprised if it's twenty percent.
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Speaker 2: Wow. Let's switch to life for a Christian in Iran?
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Speaker 2: What is life for a Christian in Iran? Like? Can
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Speaker 2: you worship freely in Iran if you're a believer?
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Speaker 3: No? We cannot, Okay, No, it's is egal it's illegal
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Speaker 3: to convert from Islam to any religion, even atheism. If
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Speaker 3: you've rejected Islam, then you're in trouble. But really, the
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Speaker 3: ones the government hates the most are the Christians, particularly
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Speaker 3: because of our the way they lump us in together
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Speaker 3: with the Jews and call us the Zionists, and of
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Speaker 3: course they hate Israel and they want to wipe Israel out,
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Speaker 3: so that association is important for them. And every time
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Speaker 3: there's any kind of tension with Israel, it points straight
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Speaker 3: back to Christians and Jews in the country because they
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Speaker 3: want to know who the traitors are and how Israel.
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Speaker 3: You know, in jude particularly, Israel conducted some very targeted
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Speaker 3: assassinations and the blame immediately.
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Speaker 1: Goes to the Christians and the Jews.
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Speaker 3: You know, who are the ones that rated to sad,
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Speaker 3: Who are the ones who had the intelligence?
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Speaker 1: Who are the dissidents?
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Speaker 3: So they're always coming after the Christian Church. But it's
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Speaker 3: in the letter of the law it is illegal to
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Speaker 3: convert from Islam and the punishment as execution, so they
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Speaker 3: don't even have to fabricate anything. They can just legally
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Speaker 3: execute Christians called conversion, and that goes to the whole gamut,
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Speaker 3: So owning and distributing Bibles, translating Bibles, participating in Christian meetings,
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Speaker 3: talking about anything, anything related to Christian faith is punished.
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Speaker 2: So our regime change would be incredible news for Christians
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Speaker 2: in that region. Yeah, yes, yeah, Okay, that's that's what
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Speaker 2: we're looking for. Yeah, let's transition to what you do
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Speaker 2: transform o Ran tell us for those who know nothing
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Speaker 2: and who know nothing about transformer Ran, what is transformer Rand?
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Speaker 2: What do you guys do?
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Speaker 1: So we're at the core of church planting organization. We
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Speaker 1: talk about our work in three pillars.
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Speaker 3: So our vision is that every man, woman and child
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Speaker 3: in Iran should have the opportunity to hear the Gospel
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Speaker 3: and free respond to it. Of course, we belie that
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Speaker 3: the Gospel is life changing, it will be good for them.
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Speaker 3: So we talk about the love and the power of
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Speaker 3: Christ penetrating that country because we believe.
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Speaker 1: That will be a blessing to our countrymen.
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Speaker 3: But we do want them to be able to freely choose.
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Speaker 3: Someone would ask me, was ask me, would it be
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Speaker 3: okay if Iran was a Christian country and everyone had
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Speaker 3: to be a Christian?
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Speaker 2: No.
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Speaker 1: I don't want people to.
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Speaker 3: Be forcibly to Christianity, but I do think if they
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Speaker 3: experienced Christianity, they're going to want it. So that's the vision,
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Speaker 3: and now we work in sort of three pillars evangelism, discipleship,
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Speaker 3: and transformation. So the evangelism part is very important because
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Speaker 3: it's illegal and they don't easily have access to any
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Speaker 3: Christian content, and we have to be very creative and
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Speaker 3: we use a whole range of media from supply, TV
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Speaker 3: and radio, social media apps, as well as in person
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Speaker 3: printed literatures, just to make sure that Iranians have hurt
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Speaker 3: the Gospel. And we have to overcome other barriers to
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Speaker 3: language barrier barriers, literacy barriers. Farsi is not the main
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Speaker 3: language in urnest, the formal, the efficient language, but more
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Speaker 3: than fifty percent of Iranians don't speak Farsi at hen
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Speaker 3: and a lot of these people don't have Bibles in
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Speaker 3: their languages. So there's a lot of work to be
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Speaker 3: done to make the Gospel accessible and relatable to people.
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Speaker 3: And then discipleship, so when they do respore, we hear
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Speaker 3: the gospel, most often they'll respond in faith. So then
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Speaker 3: we get to work making sure that they're disciples, they're
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Speaker 3: rooted in their faith. We have a whole program where
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Speaker 3: a mentor from outside the country will call them regularly,
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Speaker 3: check on them, teach them Christian doctrine, help them learn
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Speaker 3: a different way of life. You know a lot of
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Speaker 3: things have to be unlearned, even things like marriage, family parenting,
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Speaker 3: that all the principles are different if you'm shifting from
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Speaker 3: Islam to Christianity.
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Speaker 1: So we disciple them through those means.
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Speaker 3: We have a digital church network, we have a Bible College,
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Speaker 3: we have an AI app that gives them apologetics, theological
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Speaker 3: answers to their question. So all sorts of resources to
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Speaker 3: help them grow in their faith. And then transformation at
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Speaker 3: the end is really about making sure that we don't
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Speaker 3: get lost in sort of having the role targets like
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Speaker 3: how many churches did we plant even or how many
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Speaker 3: Bibles did we try to But really we want to
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Speaker 3: see our country transformed. So are there stones that have
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Speaker 3: been left unturned? Are there people in our society that
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Speaker 3: we haven't reached because we are.
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Speaker 1: In danger becoming insulars.
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Speaker 3: So considering the addicts that prostitutes, the street children, the initate,
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Speaker 3: just all the different parts of society, making sure that
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Speaker 3: our churches are active and part of our communities and
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Speaker 3: transforming the nations.
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Speaker 1: That's what we did.
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Speaker 2: Two questions for you as we close, how can people
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Speaker 2: around the world pray for the situation in Iran? Secondly,
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Speaker 2: tell tell us your background and now you developed such
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Speaker 2: a passion for the Gospel and Iran.
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Speaker 3: I was born and raised in Iran. I was actually
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Speaker 3: born on Black Friday, which is the day in nineteen
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Speaker 3: seventy eight that took the greatest casualties as Uranians were
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Speaker 3: protesting to bring the regime into power. So it's really
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Speaker 3: stayed with me.
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Speaker 2: You know.
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Speaker 3: I've often thought to myself, well, if the day I
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Speaker 3: was born was so significant in Iran stories, that I
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Speaker 3: really want my life to make a significant contribution. And
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Speaker 3: I've never really been able to check the shake my
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Speaker 3: love for the country. We left Iran when I was
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Speaker 3: just before my tenth birthday. Didn't want to leave. That's
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Speaker 3: a whole other story. There was a supernatural dream and
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Speaker 3: it was a very clear direction from God that they
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Speaker 3: had to leave.
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Speaker 1: They were The church.
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Speaker 3: In Iran was founded out of meetings. They were held
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Speaker 3: in my dad's dad's home that came out of his conversion.
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Speaker 3: So there's a lot of history there. My mum got
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Speaker 3: saved through those meetings. My dad grew up in that environment,
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Speaker 3: and they were going to serve the church their whole lives.
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Speaker 3: And then God told them to leave so we left.
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Speaker 3: After we left, God told them that Iran, the church
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Speaker 3: was going to be driven underground, but that Iran will
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Speaker 3: open once again. And now here we are thirty five
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Speaker 3: years later, but Iran would open once again, and they
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Speaker 3: were to prepare the church for what would become a
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Speaker 3: season of persecution and then a real season of growth
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Speaker 3: as Iran reopened to the gospel. So I've been part
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Speaker 3: of that my whole life. And he asked about prayer,
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Speaker 3: so I would say, you know, we we encourage.
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Speaker 1: Prayer in four different areas.
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Speaker 3: We talked about prayer for the lost, prayer for the Christians,
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Speaker 3: pray for the leaders of Iran, and then pray for us.
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Speaker 1: As a ministry.
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Speaker 3: So and there's a lot more detail on that on
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Speaker 3: our website, but just to summarize, we obviously want people
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Speaker 3: to be saved. They're longing for freedom, they're longing for
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Speaker 3: hope and joy. Then they have none of this right
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Speaker 3: now in their lives, and we want them to have
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Speaker 3: it in earthly ways. But we know the real freedom
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Speaker 3: and hope enjoy they're looking for repand in Jesus, So
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Speaker 3: we pray for their salvation, pray they'll come across our
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Speaker 3: programs and hear the gospel. We pray for the Christians
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Speaker 3: who are increasingly isolated right now. A lot of them
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Speaker 3: have had to delete all Christian contacts off their phone
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Speaker 3: just because suppose are being checked regularly and their identities
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Speaker 3: are being revealed. So it's tough. It's tough right now
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Speaker 3: for Christians. Pray for their comfort, their courage, their protection.
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Speaker 3: We do keep praying for the Iranian leadership. We pray
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Speaker 3: for their salvation, for Damascus, Roid salvations, that God will
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Speaker 3: really be glorified in what he's doing in their lives,
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Speaker 3: and then he will draw them to repentives and they
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Speaker 3: will make right where they have caused so much suffering.
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Speaker 3: And we ask for prayer for us because we're caught
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Speaker 3: up in all of this and we're doing our best
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Speaker 3: So we need wisdom and we need sources, and we
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Speaker 1: Amen to that.
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