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BONUS EPISODE: Pgh Sports Current Events - October 15, 2026 · Pittsburgh Sports Memories

0:00
SPEAKER_02: Hello and welcome to a mind-boggling episode of Pittsburgh Sports Memories Current Events.
0:07
SPEAKER_02: I'm your co-host, Steve Wirt, and I'm joined by I'm Tim Hannon.
0:11
SPEAKER_02: This is gonna be the end of this episode.
0:14
SPEAKER_02: We're all gonna wonder what the heck is going on here.
0:17
SPEAKER_02: Didn't Vince Lombardi like there's a clip of like, what the hell is going on here?
0:21
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, we need him here.
0:24
SPEAKER_02: He's definitely spinning in his grave right now.
0:28
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, well, it's one of his old teams.
0:33
SPEAKER_02: Um anyway, let's start with hockey.
0:35
SPEAKER_02: Who doesn't love?
0:36
SPEAKER_02: Let's do some hockey.
0:37
SPEAKER_02: Um, so the pin the pens are kind of back to uh win one, lose one.
0:42
SPEAKER_01: And uh sounds like one of the other teams in town.
0:45
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah.
0:46
SPEAKER_02: So they they they lost one.
0:49
SPEAKER_02: Well, I don't know how that they they got that loser point in Columbus, and they like I actually watched that game.
0:55
SPEAKER_02: They did not deserve that point.
0:58
SPEAKER_02: Like Columbus totally outplayed them.
1:00
SPEAKER_02: Like Columbus should have won that game like five to one, but Mirchau just like the goaltender just absolutely stole a point in that game.
1:11
SPEAKER_02: And I was kind of kind of shame that he gave up a goal in the shootout, but whatever.
1:18
SPEAKER_02: Um then he didn't start against uh Dallas.
1:21
SPEAKER_02: I don't know, I guess because it was back to back and um Sewellos didn't play bad.
1:26
SPEAKER_02: Um they actually but he did give up a late like goal under a minute left to tie the game, and then Dallas stole a point from us, but the Penguins won that shootout.
1:36
SPEAKER_02: So like I said, the Penguins are kind of in the win-one, lose one mode, but at least that uh young goaltender looks pretty good.
1:44
SPEAKER_02: So um you know, you know, I've said it many times the rule, you know, where you are at Thanksgiving seems to determine whether you make the playoffs or not.
1:52
SPEAKER_02: But I don't know.
1:53
SPEAKER_02: We might have to that might not happen this year because they hardly play any metro games.
1:58
SPEAKER_02: I think like uh who would they Philadelphia or or it's just very few metro games over the next first half of the season, so and the metro is kind of in trouble.
2:09
SPEAKER_01: Like Philadelphia started 0-5.
2:12
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
2:12
SPEAKER_01: Uh uh Igor Sh Shisterkin's out for the season for the Rangers.
2:17
SPEAKER_02: Oh, he's out for the season, yeah.
2:19
SPEAKER_02: Oh, wow.
2:20
SPEAKER_02: That's that's a big loss.
2:22
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah.
2:23
SPEAKER_02: So I knew he was hurt, but I didn't realize he was out for the season.
2:26
SPEAKER_01: Yep.
2:27
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
2:27
SPEAKER_01: So um so who knows?
2:30
SPEAKER_01: Uh what do you think about Crosby?
2:33
SPEAKER_01: He's he looks not great.
2:35
SPEAKER_02: No, he's losing all his face.
2:37
SPEAKER_02: He like, remember how like he when he was really, really good at face-offs?
2:40
SPEAKER_02: Like the Penguins can't win a face-off, and he's like a big culprit of that.
2:44
SPEAKER_02: And he uh does he have any points yet?
2:46
SPEAKER_01: He has points, but no goal.
2:48
SPEAKER_01: Well, uh as of the time we're recording this, he doesn't.
2:50
SPEAKER_01: They're actually playing at the time we're recording this, but yeah.
2:53
SPEAKER_01: As of the beginning before this game, he he had zero goals.
2:57
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, so Malkin's got a few dirty goals.
3:01
SPEAKER_02: Letang looks like Letang.
3:03
SPEAKER_02: He gives up a bad goal and then maybe scores a goal later.
3:07
SPEAKER_02: Carlson looks great.
3:08
SPEAKER_02: Carlson, I ever since Mike Sullivan left town, that guy remembered how to play hockey, I guess.
3:15
SPEAKER_01: Well and Malkin, moving Malkin a wing that like good dude might play for another 10 years at this point.
3:23
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, Crosby, um, I don't know.
3:25
SPEAKER_02: I don't know, Tim.
3:26
SPEAKER_02: Maybe I mean father time.
3:28
SPEAKER_02: He's you know, undefeated, right?
3:30
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I mean he's also Sidney Crosby, so I'm not I'm not saying it it's time to push any kind of a panic button, but it's definitely not a good start for him.
3:40
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
3:41
SPEAKER_02: Well, moving on to I'm not even calling it football Palooza, it's backup Palooza, at least for Pitt.
3:49
SPEAKER_02: So unfortunately, uh Mason Heinz school tours ACL and uh is out for the season, much like he was Kirk in whatever it may be.
3:58
SPEAKER_02: So they can maybe they can hang out together in the offseason, you know, doing whatever.
4:04
SPEAKER_02: Um and uh Pitt played the Fighting Bella Cheats, and they lost to the Fighting Bella Cheats 21-17.
4:11
SPEAKER_02: Um Bapco cold backup quarterback Golden Gurner.
4:16
SPEAKER_02: Um he looked okay in the first half.
4:18
SPEAKER_02: He looked good, and then boy, he looked not good in the second half.
4:23
SPEAKER_02: He couldn't he couldn't really connect on too many passes there.
4:27
SPEAKER_02: Um a lot of inaccurate passes.
4:29
SPEAKER_02: He has a strong arm, but it like what doesn't matter if you can throw the ball really hard if you can't throw it accurately.
4:36
SPEAKER_02: And um, I thought they were a little too conservative at the end of the first half.
4:40
SPEAKER_02: It wasn't offense, but maybe with him, I I in the second half I was like, well, maybe that's why.
4:45
SPEAKER_02: He threw a really bad interception on like a post pattern.
4:49
SPEAKER_02: There was a fourth down play where he threw an interception in the end zone.
4:53
SPEAKER_02: I I didn't think it really mattered.
4:55
SPEAKER_02: It was like fourth and two anyway, so you know, just throw it up for grabs.
4:59
SPEAKER_02: It was basically being an arm punt.
5:01
SPEAKER_02: Uh and they weren't really in field goal range, so I didn't really have a problem with that.
5:06
SPEAKER_02: Um, the Pitt defense played well.
5:09
SPEAKER_02: They played, they they held North Carolina to 20 rush yards.
5:13
SPEAKER_02: Uh Pitt ran 85 plays, North Carolina only 50.
5:17
SPEAKER_02: But really, the difference in the game was Pitt had no success on fourth down, especially there was a fourth down late in the game, like a fourth and two.
5:25
SPEAKER_01: That was so brutal.
5:27
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, he threw a high pass.
5:28
SPEAKER_02: Like maybe the Pitt running back could have helped him out and caught it, but if he just puts them right in his numbers, that's an easy first down, if not more.
5:39
unknown: Yeah.
5:39
SPEAKER_02: And um Pitt was actually seven for sixteen on third down, they were more than 50%.
5:45
SPEAKER_02: Um you know, turnovers and fourth downs, which I guess count as turnovers, really killed the pit offense.
5:52
SPEAKER_02: Uh Gurner, 27 to 44 for 219 yards, two interceptions, no touchdown.
5:58
SPEAKER_02: Ferguson, 15 carries for 49 yards, Laval Wright, nine carries for 45 yards, and uh Turner, five carries for 27 yards.
6:07
SPEAKER_02: They really they they really gotta make the running backs have to be the star of this offense, not the quarterbacks right now.
6:14
SPEAKER_02: And I I don't know if you know what's his name has figured that out yet.
6:20
SPEAKER_01: Well, so yeah, so everything you said, so first of all, Pitt wins that game in a route if Mason's in there.
6:28
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah.
6:29
SPEAKER_01: I mean, North Carolina was not that good.
6:32
SPEAKER_02: Well, they played like the bend but don't break defense.
6:35
SPEAKER_02: That was their whole game.
6:36
SPEAKER_01: Like and and so Pitt wins that game in a route if if they have their starting quarterback.
6:42
SPEAKER_01: And you're right.
6:42
SPEAKER_01: Like Gurner, the first half, he looked solid.
6:45
SPEAKER_01: He showed command of the offense.
6:46
SPEAKER_01: One thing I will say about the game plan, I I said last week I was worried they were gonna, you know, do this like very conservative, like, you know, oh, the don't let the backup quarterback break anything.
6:57
SPEAKER_01: Like just real soft, real nice and easy, nice and easy.
7:01
SPEAKER_01: And they they did let him play, so that was good.
7:04
SPEAKER_01: The bad part about that was when they let him play, especially when they opened it up, like you said in the second half.
7:10
SPEAKER_01: Man, did he fall apart?
7:11
SPEAKER_01: He just fell apart.
7:13
SPEAKER_01: And and you're right, the one interception, meh, one interception bad.
7:17
SPEAKER_01: But that's fine.
7:18
SPEAKER_01: You can get away with you know throwing uh an interception.
7:21
SPEAKER_01: It the inaccuracy was the worst part, I thought.
7:23
SPEAKER_01: I thought was worse than the other thing.
7:24
SPEAKER_02: Well, because there were there were guys wide open, that was the problem.
7:27
SPEAKER_01: There were guys wide open.
7:28
SPEAKER_01: And then Pitt had what, like three times, I think they got the ball in the fourth quarter with a chance to take the lead back because the defense played well, but the defense gave up that 75-yard touchdown test tight end.
7:39
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, that was very inopportunity.
7:40
SPEAKER_02: Like it's 17 to 14, Pitt finally comes back and has a lead.
7:44
SPEAKER_02: You just need the defense to force a three and out.
7:46
SPEAKER_02: And they just and they don't have a reliable kicker either.
7:50
SPEAKER_02: Like, that's another problem with not having like a great offense right now.
7:54
SPEAKER_02: It's like you really would help if they had a reliable field goal kicker.
7:58
SPEAKER_01: But but that's gonna happen.
7:59
SPEAKER_01: Like the defense is gonna give up plays.
8:01
SPEAKER_01: Like I always think of like the Steelers at the end of Super Bowl 43.
8:04
SPEAKER_01: They had that amazing, all-time great defense and they gave up a big play.
8:08
SPEAKER_01: That's gonna happen.
8:08
SPEAKER_01: That's where you need your quarterback.
8:10
SPEAKER_01: And it wasn't like they were asking Gurner to drive 92 yards like Ben did.
8:14
SPEAKER_01: It's like he had like, like I said, three possessions.
8:17
SPEAKER_01: And the one time they got the ball for him, they they got the turnover, yeah, and they got him the ball.
8:22
SPEAKER_01: We had the ball at like the 15-yard line.
8:24
SPEAKER_01: He just he was wide open in the middle of the field, wide open.
8:27
SPEAKER_01: There was nobody within 20 yards, and he threw it over his head.
8:31
SPEAKER_01: And then the next possession, he just couldn't hit anybody, and you know, um you could if like you could see his confidence was shot, the people were booing him.
8:43
SPEAKER_01: I kind of felt bad for the kid.
8:45
SPEAKER_01: I it at the end of the day, Steve, he's just a guy who can't play at this level.
8:52
SPEAKER_01: You know, he was the backup court, he couldn't he couldn't win the starting job at Texas State.
8:57
SPEAKER_01: He has like zero college experience, even though he's in his fifth year.
9:01
SPEAKER_01: And honestly, I blame Narduzzi for that because there was never anything to suggest he could play at this level, and now you're gonna go out and ask him to beat a Bill Belichick defense.
9:12
SPEAKER_01: You know, they could have easily found someone else in the transfer portal.
9:16
SPEAKER_02: Someone maybe they could have paid Eli some money, like turned some more.
9:20
SPEAKER_02: I know that's not Pitt's way, but like how much is Virginia paying Eli?
9:24
SPEAKER_02: Like, I would have kept him.
9:25
SPEAKER_01: I mean Well well, yeah.
9:27
SPEAKER_01: I mean, I I I'm guessing Eli probably wanted to leave more for the chance to start.
9:32
SPEAKER_02: He's not starting, he's a backup of Virginia.
9:35
SPEAKER_01: Right, but he would have but he knew he had no chance to start here, I guess.
9:39
SPEAKER_01: Maybe there was at least a chance there.
9:41
SPEAKER_01: I don't know their situation.
9:42
SPEAKER_01: But Eli's a great example, Steve.
9:44
SPEAKER_01: Like, you're telling me there wasn't another Eli somewhere in the in the transfer portal, some kid that you know had a bunch of starts under his belt but isn't a starter anymore, but at least had experience playing FBS football anywhere.
10:00
SPEAKER_02: There's a lot of bad quarterbacks out there, too.
10:03
SPEAKER_02: Like nobody because nobody plays anymore.
10:06
SPEAKER_02: You know, it's just yeah.
10:08
SPEAKER_01: But but but you're telling me there's not somebody that like the guy that I I just can't believe that the best they could do was the backup quarterback protect the state.
10:17
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
10:18
SPEAKER_02: Well, they supposedly have this freshman.
10:20
SPEAKER_02: I don't know.
10:21
SPEAKER_02: I I never you know, I I don't put any much stock in freshmen that like, oh, this guy's great.
10:26
SPEAKER_02: You know, I I I believe it when I see it with freshmen.
10:29
SPEAKER_02: Sure.
10:29
SPEAKER_01: So you're talking about Corey Daly.
10:31
SPEAKER_01: He's that kid, he's 6'6, he was a four-star recruit.
10:34
SPEAKER_01: He did play in the Bucknell game.
10:36
SPEAKER_01: I think he threw a touchdown pass actually in the bucknell game.
10:38
SPEAKER_01: Not that that means anything because they were up like 59 to nothing at the time.
10:41
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
10:42
SPEAKER_02: I think if they lose like another game or two and the season is totally down the drain, then what are you what are you like just you can still red shirt the guy another year, right?
10:53
SPEAKER_01: This the ceilings or the season's already down the drain, in my opinion.
10:57
SPEAKER_02: I don't think so yet.
10:59
SPEAKER_01: The ceiling with Mason was the ACC championship.
11:02
SPEAKER_01: The ceiling with Holden Gurner is like the Fidelity Investments.
11:08
SPEAKER_01: It's not worth it.
11:09
SPEAKER_02: I would rather like get this.
11:11
SPEAKER_02: Well, then you you risk starting another quarterback controversy, but so I'd rather have wouldn't that be a nice problem to have.
11:18
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
11:20
SPEAKER_02: But then maybe you can't afford to keep them.
11:23
SPEAKER_02: I mean, I I don't know.
11:24
SPEAKER_01: I mean okay, again, nice problem to have because that means that this kid is so good that now you have to make a decision between him and Mason.
11:32
SPEAKER_01: Look at last year.
11:32
SPEAKER_01: Narduzzi did this last year.
11:34
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, you know, Eli was struggling, the season wasn't lost yet, uh, but he rolled the dice and said, you know what, we can't, our ceiling with Eli is not gonna be where we want to go.
11:46
SPEAKER_01: So he rolled the dice and he put Mason in, and that almost got them.
11:49
SPEAKER_01: They got them within one win of the ACC championship.
11:53
SPEAKER_01: So why not do it again?
11:55
SPEAKER_01: I I just Holden Gurner showed you who he is.
11:58
SPEAKER_01: He's not gonna get better.
12:00
SPEAKER_01: Let's move on.
12:02
SPEAKER_02: Well, fair enough.
12:04
SPEAKER_02: I I just think the running backs need to carry the offense, not the quarterbacks this year, the rest this year, but that's just me.
12:12
SPEAKER_01: Uh but it's easier said than done if they know that you're but they've done it before.
12:16
SPEAKER_02: They've done it before when Kenny Pickett was god-awful that one year and they ran the ball with Quadri Allison and um who's the other guy, the 2018 team.
12:26
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I it's a perfect example.
12:28
SPEAKER_02: And and that defense wasn't half as good as I think our defense is this year.
12:34
SPEAKER_02: All right.
12:35
SPEAKER_02: Well, on the play, God's second favorite team, boss, Boston College.
12:40
SPEAKER_02: And uh Boston College is not a bad team.
12:44
SPEAKER_02: They're kind of like North Carolina, they're like a solid team, but they're beatable.
12:48
SPEAKER_02: It's not like, oh my god, it's impossible to beat team.
12:52
SPEAKER_02: They gave Virginia Tech a game, they gave they gave SMU a game in Dallas.
12:57
SPEAKER_02: So it's a winnable game.
12:59
SPEAKER_02: Um, they just gotta adjust how they play.
13:02
SPEAKER_02: Um, this is a likable team.
13:04
SPEAKER_02: I like this team.
13:05
SPEAKER_02: They haven't quit.
13:06
SPEAKER_02: They they got a lot of fight in them.
13:08
SPEAKER_02: I I just I just hope they can get it together.
13:11
SPEAKER_02: I think they can go on a run.
13:13
SPEAKER_02: I mean, I maybe I'm wrong, maybe I'm over optimistic, but I think they can go on a run if they can find like who's gonna be who's gonna step up and be the man on offense.
13:26
SPEAKER_02: Is it gonna be this freshman coming in?
13:28
SPEAKER_02: Is it gonna be Gurner?
13:29
SPEAKER_02: Is it gonna be the running backs?
13:31
SPEAKER_02: They just have to find you know a new identity on offense, and I don't know, we'll see what happens.
13:38
SPEAKER_01: I'm I'm less optimistic.
13:41
SPEAKER_01: I th I think the only chance of that happening is Gurner is is that Gurner played his absolute worst game of his life on Saturday and he can only get better.
13:50
SPEAKER_01: That's the only way that they can start winning games.
13:53
SPEAKER_02: He has a strong arm.
13:56
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, but I mean Bill Walsh always favored accuracy over arm strength, but yeah.
14:01
SPEAKER_01: I mean you have to be able to hit the receiver.
14:03
SPEAKER_01: These guys that are wide open in the middle of the field on fourth and two when the game's on the line, yeah.
14:08
SPEAKER_01: You have to be able to hit them.
14:09
SPEAKER_01: And then so yeah, anyway, I I don't want to beat that point to death, but but I think that, you know, again, I think he showed you who he is.
14:17
SPEAKER_01: I don't think he's getting any better.
14:19
SPEAKER_01: This is his fifth year in college.
14:21
SPEAKER_02: Uh what's there what's it's been the best seven years of his life, too.
14:26
SPEAKER_01: I mean, uh that's why I would I would just go with the freshman.
14:29
SPEAKER_01: It's easy he's a four-star recruit, he's got the size.
14:32
SPEAKER_01: Does he have the experience?
14:34
SPEAKER_01: No.
14:34
SPEAKER_01: But neither did Mason last year.
14:36
SPEAKER_01: Neither did he lie the year before.
14:37
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
14:37
SPEAKER_01: This is we were old freshmen two years in a row.
14:40
SPEAKER_01: Why not do it a third year in a row?
14:42
SPEAKER_02: Well, I don't know.
14:43
SPEAKER_02: Narduzzi's good for like lying, so maybe he's lying.
14:46
SPEAKER_02: Like he said Gurner's gonna start again, so oh yeah.
14:49
SPEAKER_01: They somebody, I can't remember who it was, postgazette.
14:52
SPEAKER_01: Somebody actually ran a whole history of all the times Narduzzi said so-and-so is our starter and then changed his mind mid-week.
15:00
SPEAKER_01: And I think Eli was one of them.
15:01
SPEAKER_01: I think when they made that change last time.
15:03
SPEAKER_02: Well, Peterman, same thing.
15:04
SPEAKER_02: Peterman and uh who the other, oh my god, I can't remember the guy before Nathan Peterman.
15:11
SPEAKER_02: Anyway, uh moving on to professional football.
15:15
SPEAKER_02: Hey, the Steelers, Tim, did you just see the Steelers scoring 34 points again?
15:20
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
15:21
SPEAKER_02: No, I mean I didn't see that happening, but hey, it did.
15:25
SPEAKER_02: And they actually played pretty well on offense.
15:27
SPEAKER_02: Now, the Colts defense isn't that good, but hey, you gotta you play who you play and you gotta score against the bad teams.
15:35
SPEAKER_02: I've seen them do that plenty of times where they don't score against the bad teams.
15:39
SPEAKER_02: So 34 to 22, uh solid gain by the offense.
15:44
SPEAKER_02: Um, Danny Dimes is not that great.
15:47
SPEAKER_02: Um I think Shane Steichen is a good coach.
15:50
SPEAKER_02: He's a good offensive coach, but I don't know about a head coach.
15:53
SPEAKER_02: He might, I don't know, he might be getting fired at the end of the season.
15:57
SPEAKER_02: Um that that uh who is it that that guy or that Ursay, his daughter, is running the team now, and they're not sure what she she's like acting like real weird.
16:07
SPEAKER_02: Like she goes down on the sidelines and wears like the headset and stuff.
16:11
SPEAKER_02: Like, I mean, I guess I give her credit.
16:13
SPEAKER_02: She's trying to learn.
16:14
SPEAKER_01: I was gonna say, I didn't think that was weird.
16:16
SPEAKER_01: I actually I actually thought that was because he's not doing that, at least what she's saying, you know.
16:22
SPEAKER_02: She's not calling the plays or getting involved, she's just trying to learn.
16:26
SPEAKER_02: Right.
16:26
SPEAKER_02: Like, I I think personally, if you're gonna be an owner, it you'd be better off working your way up from like ticket sales.
16:34
SPEAKER_02: Like, I I I don't know.
16:36
SPEAKER_01: You know, that's what the Rooneys always did with their kids.
16:39
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, like you put them in ticket sales and then bring them up through like and you know, eventually she's like mentoring for Omar Khan or whoever their GM is, and that's where you learn about football.
16:50
SPEAKER_02: Because that's what you're gonna be doing.
16:51
SPEAKER_02: You're not going to be like coaching ex, yo, Art Rooney Sr.
16:55
SPEAKER_02: or whatever, art whatever, whatever Art Rooney we're on, doesn't go down on the field and take teach like Asante Samuel how to play coverage, you know, how to play cover too.
17:05
SPEAKER_01: Right.
17:05
SPEAKER_01: No, I actually think that that's cool that she's doing that.
17:07
SPEAKER_01: And I I do wonder, Steve, if she were a man, if people would be criticizing it or not.
17:13
SPEAKER_02: Well, I mean, I give a fair question to ask.
17:16
SPEAKER_02: I I just I I think you know it's fair.
17:19
SPEAKER_02: Like stuff I I like the starting from the bottom and working your way up and learning the business.
17:23
SPEAKER_02: I just think if you're gonna be an owner, I would take a different track.
17:26
SPEAKER_02: That's yeah.
17:28
SPEAKER_01: I I I agree, but if her dad never gave her the chance to do that, she's gotta start somewhere, right?
17:33
SPEAKER_01: Like that really should have been on her dad to do that, and maybe he didn't.
17:37
SPEAKER_01: So yeah.
17:39
SPEAKER_02: Anyway, um, Jalen Warren had a good game.
17:42
SPEAKER_02: He's not gonna get fired by whatever Urse is in charge of the Colts.
17:47
SPEAKER_02: Well, since he plays for the Steelers, that would never happen.
17:50
SPEAKER_02: But um uh he was really good.
17:53
SPEAKER_02: Um JJ Watt, who's been announcing the game since you know Tony Romo decided to get drunk, um, it's it thinks that they should run the offense through Jalen Warren.
18:03
SPEAKER_02: Um, does he have a point, Tim?
18:05
SPEAKER_02: I I kind of think he does.
18:07
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it it I mean, man, he's he he looked good.
18:11
SPEAKER_02: And it's really And that's like the second week in a well, not that's the second game he's looked good.
18:16
SPEAKER_02: He looked good against Cincinnati, too.
18:18
SPEAKER_01: And he's flashed before, like it, you know what's nice this year, I will say, you know, the offense has been a lot better the last three weeks.
18:25
SPEAKER_01: This is what you would want out of a McCarthy offense.
18:27
SPEAKER_01: But but I think one of the coolest parts is guys like Firemouth and Jalen Warren, guys who like the last few years you're like, I I think they're really good football players, but I guess they're not because they don't really ever get heavily involved in the offense, right?
18:45
SPEAKER_01: To see them actually start doing well.
18:47
SPEAKER_01: And and Warren, you could say, you know, well, Tomlin just didn't use him right, and and you know, there's like a Barry Foster thing.
18:56
SPEAKER_01: You know, remember Barry Foster, Chuck Knoll's like, you sit the bench, and then Bill Cower puts him in and he has 1,600 yards rushing.
19:03
SPEAKER_01: But but McCarthy's the one that went out and got his old running back from Dallas, Rico Dowdle.
19:11
SPEAKER_01: And that was the guy that was supposed to be the number one running back.
19:15
SPEAKER_01: So even McCarthy didn't believe in him at the beginning.
19:18
SPEAKER_02: Well, I think you still doubtl's still gonna need to play a role because I don't think Warren's gonna last the season at this rate.
19:24
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
19:26
SPEAKER_02: Although Dowdle has like a toe, those toe problems never freaking heal, so he might be done.
19:32
SPEAKER_02: That might be a career for him.
19:34
SPEAKER_01: I mean Yeah, and and but but when they picked up Dowdle, the point wasn't for Dowdle to spell Warren, it was it was the other way around.
19:41
SPEAKER_01: It was Dowdle was gonna be like the first and second down running back.
19:44
SPEAKER_01: Again, that was that was McCarthy's guy from Dallas.
19:47
SPEAKER_01: He had that really big season last year in Carolina.
19:50
SPEAKER_01: That was kind of a prized free agent thing.
19:53
SPEAKER_01: And Dalen Warren once again was like an afterthought, just like he was in the last few years under Tomlin.
19:59
SPEAKER_01: So, like I said, it's really nice to see him thrive.
20:02
SPEAKER_01: And you're right, now all of a sudden you have people like JJ Watt being like, this guy's a stud.
20:07
SPEAKER_01: And Rogers is saying it too.
20:09
SPEAKER_02: He looked good again.
20:10
SPEAKER_02: I I I just I I think the right, I think you need to make the running game the focal point of the offense.
20:16
SPEAKER_02: And it's not like another point is they're not trying to run like smash foul football, they're running more of like the stretch offense, and then you if you had doubtless, you could run up the middle with him, yeah.
20:27
SPEAKER_02: Like stretch the defense a little, and then like you know, that passed the Warren, like where I mean Rogers got absolutely creamed.
20:35
SPEAKER_02: He made a nice play there, and that went for a touchdown.
20:38
SPEAKER_02: And that you know who made a nice block on that run?
20:42
SPEAKER_02: DK.
20:42
SPEAKER_02: He blocked two guys.
20:44
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, he had no stats, he had like three catches for nothing, but you know, he scored, he helped score a touchdown.
20:50
SPEAKER_02: So good for DK Metcalf there.
20:53
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah, he also got like Sauce Gardnered out of the game.
20:57
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, but but you said it when they when they played the Patriots, and the same thing happened against Christian Gonzalez.
21:03
SPEAKER_01: Like you said at the time, Steve, like at some point, if you're the number one receiver, yeah, you have to be able to beat the Sauce Gardner's and the Christian Gonzalezes of the League at some point.
21:13
SPEAKER_01: So yeah, you're right.
21:15
SPEAKER_01: It it is worth noting that he made a huge play there that will never show up on a stat sheet.
21:19
SPEAKER_02: And but he needs needs to make a catch.
21:22
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, here it is.
21:23
SPEAKER_01: Well, when we don't have any receivers left.
21:26
SPEAKER_02: Well, oh come on.
21:27
SPEAKER_02: Really losing those two guys was that much of a loss.
21:30
SPEAKER_02: Roman Wilson, he's come on.
21:34
SPEAKER_02: I I I I don't know.
21:35
SPEAKER_02: I I don't think that I think that guy showed you talk about a player showing you who he is.
21:40
SPEAKER_02: I think it what he broke his hand, which was a shame on that play, but I I don't know.
21:46
SPEAKER_02: I I just don't see him all that great.
21:48
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it's it's not so much like that that they lost like a superstar.
21:53
SPEAKER_01: And Michael Pittman hasn't even had a chance to do anything yet, and Ben Skaronik, you know, is only in there sparingly.
21:58
SPEAKER_01: It's just it's It's just a volume.
22:01
SPEAKER_01: It's a body's problem.
22:02
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, they they don't have anybody on Metcalf right now.
22:06
SPEAKER_02: Well, they're kind of they're using the tight ends.
22:08
SPEAKER_02: Now they're gonna use Fryermuth and you know Darnell Washington.
22:12
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and Jeremy Bernard had a pretty good game last week, too.
22:15
SPEAKER_01: I think he had like nine targets.
22:17
SPEAKER_02: He dropped a few here and there, but he wasn't terrible overall.
22:21
SPEAKER_02: He was at least mediocre.
22:22
SPEAKER_02: He looks like a rookie.
22:24
SPEAKER_01: He's a rookie, yeah.
22:25
SPEAKER_01: And he he looks like a guy, you know, that is one thing that we've been making.
22:28
SPEAKER_02: He looks like a guy that could improve, though, over time once he kind of sinks into the league, yeah.
22:33
SPEAKER_01: And he looks like that guy that we haven't had since like Deontay Johnson, that guy that can just sort of like run those little quick outs and get you know, catch the five, six, seven-yard passes and be open underneath.
22:45
SPEAKER_01: Um, you know, and and if if you could do that, maybe DK can stretch the field a little bit better.
22:51
SPEAKER_01: Because I because DK Metcalf has not looked good, but then going back to what you've been saying all season, our receivers can't get open.
23:00
SPEAKER_01: So is it is it easy to scheme against DK Metcalf and the threat that he brings if our if the rest of the guys can't get open?
23:07
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, Aaron Rodgers was uh threw three touchdowns, no interceptions, Jarilyn Warren uh 15 carries for 101 yards, he had one touchdown, he had six receptions for 87 yards.
23:20
SPEAKER_02: Now 80 of those were on one reception.
23:24
SPEAKER_02: So um to that, you know, take that with a grain of salt.
23:27
SPEAKER_02: Um Aaron Rodgers, the third stealer in team history to throw for three TDs in three games in a row.
23:33
SPEAKER_02: Yes.
23:34
SPEAKER_02: Ben and Terry were the only other guys that did that.
23:36
SPEAKER_02: So three Hall of Famers there.
23:38
SPEAKER_02: Yep.
23:39
SPEAKER_02: Um, let's talk about the defense.
23:41
SPEAKER_02: Um, are you worried about the defense not getting pressure or sacks?
23:44
SPEAKER_02: Do you think that is that a lack of corners and them having to lay back or just a different scheme?
23:51
SPEAKER_02: It's been a lot of like they're playing like kind of the North Carolina, like the same defense Belichick was playing, like Benjamin.
23:58
SPEAKER_02: Because I I honestly think it's because they don't have anybody at corner.
24:01
SPEAKER_01: I yeah, that the the soft zone thing annoys me, but I get it.
24:05
SPEAKER_01: Three like literally three-fourths of their starting, presumed starting secondary is gone.
24:10
SPEAKER_01: Like, that's a pretty big blow to overcome.
24:13
SPEAKER_01: Like both starting cornerbacks, you know, Porter and Dean, and then the starting safety Elliott, like when all three of those guys are out, then yeah, you're gonna have to adjust and probably play some soft zone.
24:25
SPEAKER_01: They did do a really good job stopping Jonathan Taylor, who you know is one of the best running backs.
24:29
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, 45 yards rushing, he really didn't do much of anything.
24:33
SPEAKER_02: No.
24:34
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
24:34
SPEAKER_02: And even Daniel Jones was under 50% passing, and he didn't throw any touchdowns.
24:39
SPEAKER_02: No, he didn't throw any interceptions, but didn't throw anyone.
24:42
SPEAKER_01: And and and they only scored the one touchdown, and that was even on a fourth and one that they had to convert.
24:48
SPEAKER_01: So so you're right.
24:48
SPEAKER_01: They they like you can't criticize them too much, but Steve, I think you're on to something because I I agree with you.
24:54
SPEAKER_01: This off zone thing, um, I I I don't like, but I get it with the injuries.
24:58
SPEAKER_01: It's the pressure, man.
25:00
SPEAKER_01: Like you're not getting any pressure, and they're not getting any, and they have three guys that they're paying a lot of money to to do that.
25:06
SPEAKER_02: It's it's gotta catch up to them at some point.
25:08
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah.
25:10
SPEAKER_02: Do they play Kansas City?
25:11
SPEAKER_02: Don't they play Detroit at some point this season, or no?
25:15
SPEAKER_01: It'll catch up to them when they play a good offense.
25:17
SPEAKER_01: You're right.
25:17
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah.
25:18
SPEAKER_01: A better offense than Danny Dimes and company.
25:22
SPEAKER_02: Here, here's uh can I have an old man complaint moment?
25:26
SPEAKER_01: Sure.
25:28
SPEAKER_02: What why are the Rooneys so freaking greedy that they ruined Heinz Field slash Acker Shore Stadium?
25:35
SPEAKER_02: They have totally destroyed that freaking stadium by building those stupid stands in the open end.
25:43
SPEAKER_02: You used to like that guy kicked those 50-yard field goals like he was indoors, in the and it had been raining.
25:51
SPEAKER_02: You he should never be able to do that down there in the open end, and because no, we got to build our little stands there and make the jumbotron super big.
26:00
SPEAKER_02: And they totally ruined their home field advantage, just pure unadulterated greed by the Roonies.
26:06
SPEAKER_02: Okay, there, my rant saw that.
26:08
SPEAKER_01: I mean, I mean, you're right.
26:10
SPEAKER_01: They they did I mean that that would hurt us too, but then you'd have the advantage of you know, being the home kicker, you would know how to you would certainly know better how to adjust to it.
26:20
SPEAKER_01: Um so yeah, it that yeah, that that it is not a stadium that's hard to kick in anymore, even remotely.
26:30
SPEAKER_02: No, no.
26:31
SPEAKER_02: I mean 50 yarders are just like everywhere else, so whatever.
26:35
SPEAKER_01: And and that's my old man ramp is gonna be, you know, once again this week, we had another game, just like the Baltimore Dallas game, where there were what seven seconds left when the team kicked the game winning.
26:46
SPEAKER_01: It was the Eagles kicked the game winning table.
26:49
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
26:49
SPEAKER_01: And it's like it's not enough time.
26:51
SPEAKER_01: It's never enough time anymore.
26:53
SPEAKER_01: And everybody criticized Sirianni for kicking the game.
26:55
SPEAKER_02: Well, he tried he wanted the guy to run it like if they just like it really isn't Sirianni's fault because if they make the tackle, yeah, Jacksonville has no timeouts, yeah, and and they have like what four seconds, three seconds left.
27:09
SPEAKER_02: So you're down the even if they're at the 30 or 40, Hail Mary flipped the ball around Stanford Band stuff.
27:18
SPEAKER_01: So yeah, and everybody criticized Dallas for kicking it into the end zone and giving Baltimore time.
27:23
SPEAKER_02: But Baltimore had a timeout that does make a big difference.
27:26
SPEAKER_01: I think it's sure, sure.
27:28
SPEAKER_01: You could argue that too.
27:29
SPEAKER_01: But but but just point being that like yeah, I mean, I don't I don't blame Siriani.
27:34
SPEAKER_01: It's like you have to tackle the guy.
27:36
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
27:37
SPEAKER_02: Now maybe maybe I'll sacrifice some yardage if you can if your kicker has like a real talent of like popping it way up in the air.
27:45
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
27:47
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, you can try that too.
27:48
SPEAKER_01: But I but I just my old man, so anyway, my old man rant there is it's too easy to kick field rules.
27:54
SPEAKER_02: Yes, yes.
27:55
SPEAKER_01: Like all you have to do now is get to basically like the 45.
27:59
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, really the 50.
28:00
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, well, not a little bit past the 50, but yeah, I mean, pretty much around the 50, and now you just get three points.
28:07
SPEAKER_01: That's that's a little ridiculous.
28:10
SPEAKER_01: Um, I don't know, I don't know if you try to fix it.
28:13
SPEAKER_01: I don't think the NFL will because the NFL wants points.
28:16
SPEAKER_01: But I just think that that's silly.
28:17
SPEAKER_01: That it's like now you just can score basically from anywhere, and then you start teams at like the 35 with these touchbacks.
28:25
SPEAKER_01: So it's like you get a first down, maybe two first downs, and now you get a field goal out of it.
28:29
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
28:30
SPEAKER_02: Well, next up is Tampa.
28:33
SPEAKER_02: And uh Tampa's nice this time of year, Tim.
28:36
SPEAKER_02: I I think the hurricane season's pretty much over.
28:39
SPEAKER_02: The humidity's moved out.
28:40
SPEAKER_02: Um, I'm thinking of snowbirding it and heading down to Tampa and living there for a while.
28:46
SPEAKER_02: Um I wouldn't have a very good football team to root for, unfortunately.
28:50
SPEAKER_02: Um, what's happened to Tampa Bay?
28:52
SPEAKER_02: They've totally fallen off a cliff in uh Mayfield.
28:55
SPEAKER_02: I already read that earlier this week.
28:56
SPEAKER_02: Now, whether they're patent ardoozieing us or not, do you think Todd Bowles is patent ardoozying us?
29:02
SPEAKER_02: Is Baker Mayfield really gonna come out and play?
29:05
SPEAKER_01: No, he's he's not gonna play.
29:07
SPEAKER_02: Okay, so he is out.
29:08
SPEAKER_02: So and they're they're literally starting some scrub from like Kansas.
29:14
SPEAKER_01: Kaylin Daniels.
29:16
SPEAKER_02: Is that his name?
29:17
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
29:17
SPEAKER_01: Not Jaden Daniels, but Jalen Daniels, yeah.
29:21
SPEAKER_01: All right, yeah.
29:22
SPEAKER_02: So well, maybe maybe he'll know what to do with under a minute to play the game.
29:26
SPEAKER_01: That scrub beat Dallas last week.
29:29
SPEAKER_02: He's come on.
29:30
SPEAKER_02: How good he played for Kansas and not in basketball.
29:35
SPEAKER_02: How good can he be?
29:39
SPEAKER_02: Uh yeah, uh they should win.
29:41
SPEAKER_02: This is another winnable game.
29:42
SPEAKER_02: The Steelers like schedule, I guess, doesn't really get tough until the second half of the season because they're playing a lot of I think they have the Saints in Paris.
29:50
SPEAKER_02: Is that game gonna happen?
29:51
SPEAKER_02: Are they gonna is that gonna get canceled by the rioting?
29:54
SPEAKER_02: I guess not.
29:55
SPEAKER_02: Who knows?
29:55
SPEAKER_02: It's the NFL.
29:56
SPEAKER_01: The NFL doesn't cancel games.
29:59
SPEAKER_01: They play through COVID, they'll play through they play through JFK, they'll play through anything.
30:03
SPEAKER_02: They'll play for the riots.
30:04
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
30:06
SPEAKER_01: Um yeah, Tampa Bay is very winnable.
30:09
SPEAKER_01: Um, I'm I'm glad Tampa Bay got a win against Dallas.
30:14
SPEAKER_01: I'm glad they weren't 0-5.
30:15
SPEAKER_01: Oh, yeah.
30:16
SPEAKER_02: I mean, yeah.
30:16
SPEAKER_02: Now they'll kind of be like, yeah, well, we're running five.
30:19
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, we got our win.
30:20
SPEAKER_01: Um that being said, they it's like that their offense.
30:23
SPEAKER_02: I mean, you talk about I mean it's not like the Buccaneers have ever had a uh season where they never won a game.
30:29
SPEAKER_01: But but their offense still has weapons, you know.
30:32
SPEAKER_02: Um, but they don't have a quarterback, Tim.
30:35
SPEAKER_02: They they really don't.
30:36
SPEAKER_02: It's not like our defense is great, but I think we're I mean, I'd be really disappointed if we can't shut down this guy.
30:43
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I mean, Bucky Irving had a really good game against Dallas.
30:46
SPEAKER_01: They they Godwin and uh are their receivers.
30:50
SPEAKER_01: Those are good, those are actually good NFL receivers.
30:53
SPEAKER_01: You're right, you know, they they they don't have a quarterback, but again, they they beat Dallas.
30:58
SPEAKER_01: I know Dallas's defense is a complete joke.
31:00
SPEAKER_02: But well, Joey Porter was sick, so they couldn't beat it.
31:04
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, right.
31:04
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
31:05
SPEAKER_01: He was they have Kenny, they have Kenny Gainwell.
31:09
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, they have Steeler MVP Kenny Gainwell on their offense.
31:13
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, but I mean with something to prove, I guess.
31:15
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I mean, yes, you're right.
31:17
SPEAKER_01: We should win, but it's the NFL, and again, you know, any given Sunday, all that stuff, so we'll see what happens.
31:24
SPEAKER_01: It would be really nice to string two wins together and to actually have some consistency.
31:29
SPEAKER_01: It would also be really nice to see the offense continue to thrive because even in the Cleveland loss, they scored points.
31:34
SPEAKER_01: It's it would be nice to just see that continue.
31:38
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, and they got a chance to win this.
31:40
SPEAKER_02: And the Saints are okay, but the Saints are beatable too.
31:44
SPEAKER_01: So the Saints only have one win.
31:46
SPEAKER_01: I mean, they're they're one and four.
31:49
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, but they're not they're not like a bad one and four.
31:52
SPEAKER_01: No, they're not.
31:52
SPEAKER_01: And that that Chuck looks like he's a pretty good quarterback.
31:55
SPEAKER_01: You're right.
31:55
SPEAKER_01: They're they're not a bad, they're probably better than their record indicating.
31:58
SPEAKER_02: We're lucky we played Atlanta when we did, because Atlanta, I know they they lost the other night, but they're they're like a respectable team.
32:05
SPEAKER_02: Atlanta's not a bad team.
32:07
SPEAKER_02: I thought Atlanta was going to be one of the worst teams in the league, and I've been pleasantly surprised.
32:11
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, they lost on the last play overtime because Tua came in and threw the ball to Baltimore, proving once again that they're a worthless franchise.
32:20
SPEAKER_01: I I I would propose if I were the commissioner of the league, I would fold the Falcons and the Jets, just close up shop for both those franchises.
32:30
SPEAKER_01: Okay.
32:31
SPEAKER_01: Replace the Falcons with like a team, maybe San Antonio, expansion team, maybe in Austin, some some city that you could fit into the NFC South, and then I would replace the Jets with a team in London.
32:44
SPEAKER_01: The NFL would be a much better product.
32:46
SPEAKER_02: You know, that the NFL already has a team in London.
32:50
SPEAKER_01: The Jaguars.
32:51
SPEAKER_01: They're playing there again this week and they stay over here.
32:55
SPEAKER_02: Wow.
32:57
SPEAKER_02: Well, are you ready to get stupid, Tim?
33:01
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, let's get stupid.
33:03
SPEAKER_02: Let's get dumb.
33:05
SPEAKER_02: This is like this is like an like if you ever watched the movie Idiocracy, like I just don't know how to describe this.
33:12
SPEAKER_02: You you saw this, right, Tim?
33:14
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, did you talk?
33:15
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
33:15
SPEAKER_02: So the Giants and Commanders played about the dumbest game of football I've I I I can't even compare it to anything I've ever seen in my life.
33:25
SPEAKER_02: Um uh the Giants like missed a bunch of long field goals.
33:29
SPEAKER_02: I mean, they could have won the game in like regulation, they probably should have won the game in regulation, but their kicker like wasn't kicking in hindsfield, so apparently he couldn't make 50-yard field goals.
33:40
SPEAKER_02: So he missed like a bunch of them.
33:43
SPEAKER_02: So in overtime, which I don't like the overtime rules.
33:47
SPEAKER_02: I've said this before.
33:48
SPEAKER_02: I think they're confusing, and apparently, if you're a quarterback in the NFC East, you really don't understand the overtime rules.
33:56
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, going all the way back to Whoa we don't play another game.
34:01
SPEAKER_02: Oh, a quarter?
34:02
SPEAKER_02: What so um they they go in like the Giants uh force, I think they forced the commanders to punt, and they they're driving down the field, they're running with Cam Scataboo, they're gonna like they were literally like at the commander's 25.
34:21
SPEAKER_02: They were in like getting into like now.
34:23
SPEAKER_02: I understand they needed to probably get around the 20 to be sure because their kicker was really shaky.
34:29
SPEAKER_02: And like on like a third, and or it might have been second down, like Scataboo fumbles, like, and it was just it was such a bad play to say, oh, this is it for the Giants.
34:41
SPEAKER_02: So the the only thing the Giants had going for us, they're going for them.
34:44
SPEAKER_02: There was like probably like two minutes and 30 seconds to 40 seconds left.
34:49
SPEAKER_02: But the commanders, to their credit, they get a couple big pass plays, and all and how bad is Jaden Daniels become like all they were doing like the whole game, like what I watched, was the Giants would just blitz everybody and he would just throw the ball into the stands every time.
35:07
SPEAKER_02: That happened, that happened so many times.
35:09
SPEAKER_02: So they drive all the way down to I would say the Giants inside the Giants 30.
35:16
SPEAKER_02: And I think the the commanders have a pretty good kicker.
35:20
SPEAKER_02: So they run the ball and they had like 45 seconds left, and they ran I want to say two plays in 45 seconds.
35:29
SPEAKER_02: I think they ran the ball and then they lined up, and they had I don't know what Daniels was trying to do, like take a knee and center, but then he didn't, then he fell forward, and by the time that play ended, there was like eight seconds left, and everybody just kind of stood around until they figured out, hey, wait a minute, we got to spike the ball because it was like third down, and they all run around, and by the time they get lined up, the clock had expired, and um Cam Scattaboo was off the hook with his fumble.
36:03
SPEAKER_02: I I just and it ended in a tie, yeah.
36:07
SPEAKER_01: And somewhere in his living room, Kent Graham just stood up and went slow clap, slow clap, the tear runs down his cheek.
36:15
SPEAKER_01: He's like, that's so beautiful.
36:17
SPEAKER_02: Ken wasn't even that bad.
36:19
SPEAKER_02: That I mean, there was only a couple seconds left when Kent Kent got legitimately sacked.
36:23
SPEAKER_01: Well, he yeah, he took a sack.
36:25
SPEAKER_01: That that you're right.
36:25
SPEAKER_01: That's a little, I mean, that was a great.
36:27
SPEAKER_02: Like Cleveland's defense kind of made a play there.
36:30
SPEAKER_02: Like, this was just total I I I miss what what do you want to call it?
36:37
SPEAKER_02: Like uh brain sprain.
36:39
SPEAKER_02: Total incompetence, uh total malpractice.
36:43
SPEAKER_02: I mean, Dan Quinn has to be one of like the everybody he's like a nice guy, but he's one of the worst coaches in league history.
36:51
SPEAKER_02: Has to be.
36:52
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and like is it his fault?
36:54
SPEAKER_01: Is it is it the quarterback's fault?
36:56
SPEAKER_02: I mean, it there's How can you not know like 45 seconds, Tim?
37:00
SPEAKER_02: Like, why did you run the ball like like all you have to do, even when you get into like that situation on second down where they don't where you don't just throw the ball at the back of the end zone.
37:10
SPEAKER_02: They aren't gonna call intentional grounding or throw it 20 yards over a wide receiver's head.
37:16
SPEAKER_01: Well, the other thing, the other thing about that play that they ran where he just ran around and fell down, the receivers all ran down the field.
37:23
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, and then they and then they like took their time coming back.
37:27
SPEAKER_01: Well, and even if they would have sprinted back, they would have never made it back in time.
37:30
SPEAKER_02: So we're gonna eight seconds would have been pretty tough.
37:33
SPEAKER_01: But but but if they were if they were running a play where he was trying to like get it to the other hash mark and then run a second play where you spike it, why wouldn't everybody just stay on the line of scrimmage so you could quickly spike it?
37:45
SPEAKER_01: Like they're like it just showed that they had no clue.
37:48
SPEAKER_01: They didn't they there was no planning, there was no coordination, they didn't know what they were doing at all, which is just unfathomable for an NFL franchise to be in that position.
37:59
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I don't think Dan Quinn survives this, and he probably shouldn't.
38:03
SPEAKER_01: No, I don't I don't I you know I don't he won't be fired next week, but I don't think he survives the season.
38:08
SPEAKER_01: Remember the big remember the last Bears coach, the same thing happened too on that Thanksgiving game where they blew the clock at the end and think he got fired like two weeks later.
38:16
SPEAKER_01: It's it's you know yeah, it's it's unfathomable.
38:20
SPEAKER_01: And it's funny, like for years, people have said just hire the kid that plays Madden all day.
38:26
SPEAKER_01: Just make him your clock manager, right?
38:29
SPEAKER_01: People have been saying that for years.
38:31
SPEAKER_01: I used to I used to say it about the Steelers because Tomlin was always so bad at managing the clock.
38:35
SPEAKER_02: Well, that was so funny, is Tomlin criticized it's like, oh, that's oh oh oh like the time uh Chase uh what's his name from the Canadian from Notre Dame that stood there and like Claypool.
38:46
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, Chase Claypole sat there and signaled first down while the clock ran out.
38:49
SPEAKER_02: Like okay, Tomlin.
38:52
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, you got a lot of room to talk.
38:54
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
38:54
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, that was that was the irony of all ironies.
38:57
SPEAKER_01: He's like, oh, that was disgusting.
38:58
SPEAKER_02: It's like are you gonna start criticizing people when they challenge now?
39:04
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah, seriously.
39:06
SPEAKER_01: So, so um, but yeah, like get the kid that plays Madden knows exactly, you know, call time out here, throw it out of bounds here.
39:15
SPEAKER_01: Like that that should just be somebody's full-time job on an NFL staff is looking at the clock.
39:20
SPEAKER_02: It wasn't like like you could see like if they had 20, 25 seconds, they had 45 seconds.
39:25
SPEAKER_02: Right.
39:26
SPEAKER_02: That's a lot that's like forever.
39:30
SPEAKER_01: There there was just no they didn't understand uh yeah.
39:33
SPEAKER_01: There's terrible communication, terrible everything.
39:37
SPEAKER_01: It it it will fall back on the head coach, whether you know he was trying to do that or not, it will fall back on him.
39:44
SPEAKER_02: Well, he ble you know, he's he blew that 28 to 3 lead in the Super Bowl.
39:49
SPEAKER_02: This happens.
39:50
SPEAKER_02: I mean, at what point does Dan Quinn just going back to being a defensive coordinator?
39:54
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
39:55
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, that's that's that's probably true.
39:58
SPEAKER_01: Um I I love the stat too that uh all four teams in the NFC East played.
40:04
SPEAKER_01: Two of them played each other and none of them won.
40:08
SPEAKER_02: Nobody won.
40:09
SPEAKER_02: Well, that's gonna make the end of the season really interesting for sure.
40:13
SPEAKER_01: Oh, and it's like that there was that game.
40:15
SPEAKER_01: The Eagles we talked about blowing, you know, they had to lead with seven seconds left and lost, and then Dallas lost to the 0-4 team.
40:22
SPEAKER_01: So not the uh not the best week for the NFC East.
40:26
SPEAKER_01: And and that's the other thing, Steve.
40:28
SPEAKER_01: The divisions, this is this is like the pirates season so far.
40:32
SPEAKER_01: Because the our division, everybody's uh above 500.
40:36
SPEAKER_01: We're the only AFC division without an 0-5 team.
40:41
SPEAKER_02: Well, yeah.
40:43
SPEAKER_01: Every other AFC division has one 0-5 team and some other really bad teams.
40:48
SPEAKER_02: The Texans finally won.
40:50
SPEAKER_02: So yeah.
40:50
SPEAKER_01: Well, they're yeah, so the AFC South has a one-and-four team in addition to an 0-5 team.
40:56
SPEAKER_02: Did you see, speaking of the Steelers and the Texans, did you see, I guess, like who's I don't know who the Texans mascot, it's like a Bull or something.
41:03
SPEAKER_02: I guess after they won in a playoff game, he ripped up the terrible towel.
41:07
SPEAKER_01: Oh no.
41:08
SPEAKER_02: And they and they haven't won since.
41:10
SPEAKER_02: Oh no.
41:10
SPEAKER_02: So I guess in this last week, they had like video of him taping it back together and they won.
41:15
SPEAKER_02: Oh dear.
41:16
SPEAKER_02: So they've they've reversed the curse of the terrible towel, Tim.
41:20
SPEAKER_01: It's all good, Steve.
41:21
SPEAKER_01: They traded for Marvin Harrison Jr.
41:23
SPEAKER_02: Oh, is that where he went?
41:25
SPEAKER_01: Let me tell you from having him on my fantasy team a couple years ago, that guy is a stud.
41:30
SPEAKER_01: He's great at not catching passes and not getting open and being a huge disappointment that doesn't live up to his father.
41:37
SPEAKER_01: His guy's the best.
41:38
SPEAKER_01: So that'll save their season.
41:40
SPEAKER_02: Maybe.
41:42
SPEAKER_02: Well, there's no saving this podcast.
41:46
SPEAKER_02: Hey Tim, I don't know what to do.
41:48
SPEAKER_02: There's no time left.
41:49
SPEAKER_02: Should I run around?
41:52
SPEAKER_01: Let me hit the stop record button.
41:55
SPEAKER_02: Well, thanks for tuning in, and I'm sure you guys know what to do.
41:58
SPEAKER_02: You'll check us out next week, and uh, we'll talk about more brave parts of ideas.
42:03
SPEAKER_02: But uh word of mouth, you know, check us out on Facebook, all the good stuff, and I'll get you next time.