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Mold, Mitochondria, and Why You Feel Awful with Dr. John Kim · Age Defiantly with Mark Young

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I'm 44 right now. I'm, I, she has a heart attack when I was 33 years old. I had a 85%
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blockage in my LED and I'm getting a stamp with it. In context of talking about mole toxicity
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right now, Mold also impacts the individual lining of your blood vessels. I even take down the
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house that I'd rub in as a kid, like it was built in 1927. And it's like the basement at Mold
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and it, like, and we didn't really think anything of it. You're not as safe right now about
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700,000 homes are dealing with mole toxicity at this point in time. What are the
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clases that people don't even think about where Mold is existing in their lives? The issue now
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becomes is that most doctors come to functional medicine through curiosity. Of course,
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they took a patient who didn't respond to the conventional methods of book that cracked something
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open for them one day. But my guess today came to it through survival. Dr. Johnkin is functional
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medicine pharmacist. Someone who built a career at the intersection of pharmaceutical science and
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root cause medicine and then nearly lost his life to the very conditions he now helps people solve.
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Mold toxicity, chronic infections, the kind of complex multi-system breakdown that conventional
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medicine has no protocol for because the protocol is to treat each symptom separately and never
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ask why. He rebuilt himself and in doing so, he built a framework, the encore nothing,
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then has since how hundreds of people moved forward when nothing else worked. He grew up in
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South Korea watching his grandparents practice everyday wellness the way their grind parents did.
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He moved to the United States, nearly destroying his health, chasing the achievement, and then
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spent years learning what it actually takes to get his own body back. His message is simple
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and radical at the same time. The doctor of the future is you, the patient. This is that conversation.
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Let's go. Johnkin, welcome to the age to fight. Thank you so much. I'm so glad you're here.
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Yeah, I'm so honored to be here. I mean, it's just a last minute thing that we just decided to book,
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but we also maybe have fun. Yeah, we connected so well last night. I personally have a fun topic
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to discuss all about functional medicine, voltoxicity issues and more. Yeah, totally. And
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it's some of the stuff I'm reading here, like our team put together a full bio on you and I gave
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me all your indexes. I'm like, I can follow this guy on Instagram for, I know you're the, but you
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are as stockers. You're not. Like 80,000 startups. But you are functional pharmacists, which I first
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of a one unpacked or for a moment, again, that is the weirdest title. I think I've had anybody,
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quite anybody have. Yeah. Because again, my degree is a functional medicine. And it's like,
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that's not weird, right? Because I'm like, oh, that's cool. You know, we find group cause whatever
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is in always upstream solutions. And like functional pharmacists, me all sounds like it's an
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oxymoron. Yeah. Like literally, the functional space is usually at odds with the pharmaceuticals.
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You agree. What is that? I did. And I also walked away from pharmacy as well. So that does a
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whole different discussion at this point. Yeah. I want to know that story. Yeah. Like you walked
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away from your own training, if you will. Right. Like your doctor is in pharmacology. Yep.
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And you don't even do that. I did a six years for doctor pharmacy. And I actually had to see
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that we back to 2006. And then in 2006, just getting out of pharmacy school and then working
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at a startup company pharmacy at that point in time, it gave me a flexibility to explore many other
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options. But really interesting story for me was that a year prior to being a pharmacist, licensed
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pharmacist, one of my mentor Dr. Jim Mobile, I'm not sure if you're aware of him or not. He's been
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very big space. He's a pharmacist as well. He has a MD. And for the last almost 35 years,
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he's been training medical doctors along with naturopath and pharmacists about how to integrate
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function medicine within their practice into the merely given the best outcome for costable.
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And one thing that I was having to make a transition point in time was year prior to the
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graduating. I was actually doing a externship in the ER. And I actually had to take it as one
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client, one patient, have to come into the ER five different times in the five week period that
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I was at the hospital with an uncontrolled blood pressure. And every moment that she comes in,
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obviously, we know that blood pressure is high. We need to talk about anything else except for
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optimizing her drugs. So when I was doing my doctor pharmacy, one of the key words was
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pharmaceutical optimization for at least to increase the actual outcome of the person's
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end goal by doing everything possible. So that means that you end up having to do the entire
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kitchen sink at the person to control, let's say, blood pressure. She's on multiple blood
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pressure medication. She's coming in every single week. So we know that things didn't work out.
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But this is a stupidity of what the core medical system has not changed.
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So I might ask your quick question or quick, because cardiovascular health and blood pressure
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heck is to be a particular area where I spend a lot of time. And people know that that's where I
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focus a lot of my attention because of my my my relationship with cardiovascular companies and
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modalities. I'm going to ask your opinion. I think I know the answer to this. And as I was just
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talking with Dylan Janalea minute ago, we got podcasts and we started talking about blood pressure.
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And he's like, well, what do you think the problem is? And I'm like, well, my opinion is the first
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problem is we're treating blood pressure like it's a disease when in fact, what pressure is a
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symptom of a deeper problem and we're not treating the problem. We're only treating one symptom.
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And it's why we end up throwing the kitchen sinked at things because we're trying to manipulate
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this one, this one data point when it has so many variables that are inputting. And if we're not
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paying attention to all of this stuff, this is just a crap sheet. Let's say guessing gate.
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It is, but also the standard of the blood pressure reading has been going down drastically
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for the last 50 years, right? But that's the thing. And so if you actually have, if you're number,
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if your goal post is keep on moving, you got everything possible to do that, which can be a
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scenario, right? But here's an issue because of what you're just mentioning about like the root
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cause of high blood pressure. There is a familiar hypertension, which is true. We know that
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there is also white cold syndrome where the person actually goes to the doctor's office and
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then the blood pressure goes up. But the biggest issue you have to talk about is what is going on
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and we know that there's impact of heart rate, there's impact of the actual
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the, it could discuss the other blood, but it could be the fact that the tension you end up
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having to create within the blood vessels also. So if you think about overall from the beta blockers
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to calcium channel blockers, including endotensin inhibitors, right, including ours,
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all those doing what? Either so on the heart rate or you will ask the blood vessel. That's it.
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Every single pharmaceutical drug's out there been for the last freaking 50 years at this
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nothing has changed. That is how the cardiovascular medicine has been evolved into. Now you're going
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into the whole cholesterol side where you're utilizing some of the injectables like PKS, C9,
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trying to drop the LDL good further. That's another issue with that. But if you think about that
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in the cell blood pressure, that is a sign of a mitochondrial dysfunction already happened there.
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So if you, I'm not sure if you're aware of like Dr. Robert Navios' work of cell danger
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so he described about how the fact that why is it the body end up having to be stuck and having
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to have these different conditions? So more the focal point was the fact that the body's undergoing
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cell danger response as a state resulted in some of the symptoms or the manifestation of the disease
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states, right? So for instance, when you're dealing with high blood pressure, if you look at the
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entirety of the context, it is a cell danger response gone wrong due to the fact that there's a
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misstep of metabolic issues. It's not been controlled correctly. So this is what we're connected to
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happen with the demonia, diabetes, right? And as well as hypertension, right? So there's
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a lot of issues there. So what else is happening at that point? So if you go a little further back,
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what's stressing the body? That's the real thing that we have to understand. Because the
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context of cell danger response is that it's a evolutionary period in terms of how the bodies
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reacting to certain stress response and that stress could be four things could be biological,
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meaning viruses, parasites, molding could be bacterial. And then you're dealing with chemical
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issues in terms of heavy metals, you talk about PFAS, you talk about glycocytes, multiple
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environmental coxins. And then there is the physical impact where you're dealing with some type of
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blunt trauma to the body. Maybe you actually had injured yourself. It could be also the fact that
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now you're dealing with UVA, UVB, radiation on top of eat non net ABMF and blue eye
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toxins in the last thing is psychological and issue dealing with emotional trauma. So that is
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a stressor. But if you create the stress in the body, what the mitochondria now does is,
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the mitochondria, we think there's just a dealing with ATP, much bigger than that.
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mitochondria, instead of creating energy, now sensing the threat, it changes the actual
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biology aspects of how the energy is introduced. So instead of actually doing
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going through a oxidative phospholation, now it's going to glycolysis.
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So it end up in an all affecting changing terms of how the, how reliable that particular
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cell membrane is. And it was how chemical it is as well. And when you think about the
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context of high blood pressure, it's talking about cardiovascular issues. What it basically
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is saying is the fact that you actually have a poor redox reaction within the context of
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blood flow and everything else that goes on the body resulted in
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male formation of the results of the disease states you see. So they ask you, I mean,
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back to you, and again, brilliant explanation there. But I had to simplify that because I'm
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a simplifier of things. When we're talking again, something like blood pressure, if you've listed
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an extraordinary amount of traumas that are affecting cellular, well, I'm sorry, that's specifically
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cellular function. And then I'll mitochondrial response to this type of cellular response to
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multiple input there right now. I always look at that when I'm looking at one data point,
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if it's a multi variable input, I have to isolate that order to determine which one's causing
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this problem. When it comes to the pharmacology side of treating something like high blood pressure,
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I want to get into mold toxicity and stuff. Yes, you're an expert in that area. And actually,
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something we did or talked about on the show before. But when I'm talking about specifically
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something that book pressure and you're 100% bright, the American Heart Association moving
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the numbers and I say, the goal post keeps going lower. And that just helps us diagnose more people
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and if I diagnose more people than my possible audience of customers has continued to increase.
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Maybe that's a bit of cynicism on my part, but I think it's accurate. You know, the reality is
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is like, now we're doing that. Yeah, well, when I was saying what pressure, when we grew up,
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it was 120 over 80. Like that was the number now with one 10 over 72. And it was that,
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a wingman that I was healthy yesterday, but then by definition, I'm not healthy today. And now
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we take at stage one hypertension, stage two hypertension and just call the hypertensive.
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There is no your ear hypertensive or not, which changes the legal standard of care that a
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physician needs to take where persons numbers are. That being said, as you mentioned, the current
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anti hypertensive drugs that are on the market right now are specifically either causing
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vasodiration or they're causing this slowing for heart rate, which in either event,
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to a lower pressure, as I either widen the gap or I smoke the amount of fluid that moves through
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a through a through a cardiovascular system, but through after a tall, we say it's the kink of
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the garden nose, right? But eventually this is going to let loose. But they're very acute
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solutions. And what I mean by that is that, you know, I know people who are on blood pressure
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medications, like they're afraid of going on vacation. Because if I forget me, the first
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thing that goes in the suitcase is the blood pressure medications, because one day without it
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and on toast, like it's such an acute response to the drug that we're not providing in my opinion
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systemic solutions that were were very acute, very specific resolutions again with a symptom
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treatment, not a system treatment. I mean, do you agree with that? I agree. And then one of the
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things is like, if you actually have an acute severe hypertensive crisis, pharmaceuticals, although
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crisis, I got tired of all that. Yeah, we have to we have to put that define because the issue now
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becomes is that as Americans, even people in general, are getting to be to be far trying to
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walk farther further away from mainstream medicine, which is fine because the last five years
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been a crapshoot, and people like you lost trust. And so the whole side of that, she has the
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extreme, the crunchy mom is where like, you can't get you can not get any pharmaceuticals in such
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but thing is though, into the modern medicine and the pharmaceutical industry and everything else,
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that really have to propel what medicines at this point in time, right? You start talking,
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you age up the bathroom, you cannot. That's what it is. You're not going to take essential oil
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and then fix your hard time. I mean, that's not that's enough. Well, the thing is it's a pendulum
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and I think people are missing that as we used to be so fullistic that that when modern pharmaceuticals
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came into play like, yeah, we figured out ways to have antibiotics. We figured these types of
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things out and it increased longevity and lifestyle for a long time. But then we became too
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dependent on it and we've completely forgotten about health and wellness and I do see in some
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respects the pendulum is swinging in the other direction that any pharmaceutical is the enemy.
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Well, this is a whole different topic. I mean, I'd be happy to do a second episode of this part,
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but the insurance is a modern, modern disease state since it's what we are at this point in time.
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Yes, in terms of people are not focused on wellness and I've had the focus on pharmaceuticals,
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but if you think about in a context of cellulohel, bigger issue that should occur 100 years before,
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right? You have a, you have a creation of ACDC actually dealing with non-ADD or NF. Now,
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you're also dealing with light issues as well. So as the industry got much more active,
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the whole circadian aspect and doesn't what a body is supposed to be aligned to has been
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complete in this match. Now, there is a context in dealing with environmental toxicity as well.
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So we cannot forget about that, but it's all that and some because as the 1950s extra
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occurred in talking about how they'll find the talk of discussion about cholesterol also. Yes,
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where you actually had a saturated fat, a saturated fat has been vilified and then you're
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end up having to deal with, you know, polysaturated fat, right? So that's a big issue with margarine
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and then crystal and everything else, including all the inflammatory oils. And then the issue
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dealing with obesity and diabetes and everything else took a propelled even further because why?
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People replace fat now with sugar. And then you're dealing with the food pyramid was also a
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problem. Right. What we were taught to eat more grains when we were growing up. Yeah,
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now I was born in 1980 and I'm going to carve it out. I still never learned about the food pyramid.
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All I do is, all right, I'm doing a bowl of cereal. That's fine. It's kind of honest that
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it's good for it. Exactly. Exactly. Bossa flex was a wonderful breakfast. That's how we were
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drawn, right? Yeah, he said, right. Exactly. So again, the issue dealing with high blood pressure
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is all of it all. Everything that we right enough have to deal with the fact that it's causing
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the amount of conge of the function that I'm talking about right now. But in context,
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we're talking about bowl toxicity right now. Mold also impacts the individual lining of your
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blood vessels. I want to step back to that. And yes, I agree with you. I want to pivot us over to
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mold because you're you're an expert on mold toxicity. And I believe the ball is actually a
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bigger problem than most people even believe is posse at huge and affects all areas of people's
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house. And it is so insidious that most people that are think about it. And I made I happened,
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I had a rental home up north years ago. And it's like, when I came into this house after I had
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the tenants loft, it's like, I eat a little of bowl everywhere. I'm like, oh my god. How did you live
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in this because they didn't take care of it? Whatever. But I eat it. They down to the house that I
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drop in as a kid. Like it was built in 1927. And it's like, the basement had had mold. And we didn't
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really think anything of it. It doesn't mean that the new house is made that you're not wrong.
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But not. But the point of the matter is it's like, it was obvious that there was mold there. And
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we make this mobile. It means it was old. Like you didn't really think anything out of it. I
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remember really kiddie. Like you didn't think anything out of it. What did you do if you found
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a little just poor bleach on it? Yes. Like even worse to do it. Absolutely. You feel that
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so in it. You find mold to pour the bleach. Everything's better now. And we didn't think of,
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you know, and nowadays the whole deal is if you find mold in the drywall or whatever, you just
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you roll some kills over it and everything dies to nozzles in a pound. Yeah. That's not the case.
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Like this is not a good thing. In all of that, I want you to just start off by talking to our
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listeners about what are the, I mean, mold is everywhere in so many cases. And without the
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technicalities of getting into different strains of mold whenever they do, I was like, what are
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to start off? What are the places that people don't even think about where mold is existing in
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their lives? I mean, before I do that, yeah, would you modify it? She explained why to the mold
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is she was out to be discussed about the heart attack history. We didn't get into your personal
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history. I think that was actually in the bio bio read, but yes. So I cheap, so I'm 44 right now.
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I'm I she has a heart attack when I was 33 years old at a 85 percent blockage of my LED and
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I'm getting a stamp with it. So this happened 2015. I just came back from my friend's wedding three
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days later. I used to have chronic heart burning problem. And I thought it was just a heart burn
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and then the pain regenerate after my laptop and all the night. And then instead of it, you go into
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an ER to get that checked out. I'm just like, you know, I'm gonna sleep off of it. So I slept,
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woke up the following day, the pain still resonating. And no, the afternoon decided to go to the
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urgent care center and then the urgent care center doctor's like, you have me on at that right,
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I made you get to the ER. So the center of ER and even the ER physician, even the attending
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cardiologists didn't believe that I was dealing with a heart attack because there's a guy pretty fed,
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right? And they actually had the previous EKG reading that was done six month prior, including the
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cholesterol, everything's normal. So how would a 33 year old have it to be, quote unquote,
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not a typical heart attack patient and young to begin with having to have a heart attack. And so
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we're still waiting on a lab, lab reading, the lab report came back to the colonel level was
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step by step one, right? Again, all the cases, nothing going on. So even the cardiologist says,
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I think doing pericardial is what to keep you for 20 cores. We go home afterwards. So when they
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did an echocardiogram, my left ventricle wasn't pumping. So I'll be saying, I'm in Schemia,
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brought me to the cath lab. And then the cath lab found that I had 80 paps and blockies. So here
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we have no choice but to put a step put in there. That was it. It did that that moment of critical
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matter in terms of that wasn't one of the things that they have to do. So getting out of that
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cath lab and then now being in the cardiicina for three days and then still dealing with chest
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ache. And I'm just like, what is going on here? And all I thought was, am I going to have a secondary
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heart attack? Because that's always just some possibility because I'm still young, right? If it's
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a familiar issue to cannot control it, what's happening at that point? So that's when I got home.
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I mean, it's a freaking I was depressed as anything. And then having to ask, like, what can I do?
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So all I want to do is get an IV bottom and see it on. So I went to my, in the great doctor.
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And she looks at me, she's like, you'll wait you have that wee part of the tip. I can't even take four
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noons. So we got a blood draw done four weeks later, test a positive for barbell infection,
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high levels at Aspa Joe's antibodies, microplus pneumonia, Epstein bar, parasites, and high levels
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of mercury. Because when I was a kid, I see intense shape rate mercury thermometers. I should
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plan with the mercury ball, right? And then even I don't know if you remember, like, back in the day,
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it used to have these, uh, maturian, uh, red entice septic. Yep. Yeah. Mike, probably you should
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apply that all about it when I get a squeak. Oh, I hit. I was just starting with Dylan, or what?
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I had mercury mouth cups did. And I just had removed less than two years ago. Yes, I didn't need
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to think about it, right? And I got to do it carefully too. Because once you break that
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mercury filling, you aerosolize that mercury now. It goes right into brain. It is causing more
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inflammation. Oh, it was, uh, it was a, it was a hazmat surgery. I shake them out. Yeah, we had to.
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So that's my story. So it took, it's so finding that out and then realizing in terms of how
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these things into the impact. So won't throw you short, barnell infection, which is a tick
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borne illness, then you could get it, if not only from tick, you get from a spider bite as well,
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people forgetting that really. So are all types of back to borne illness. So you talk about ticks,
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you talk about spiders, you talk about mosquitoes, you get those, right? So it's just not about tick.
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Now you're dealing with a lot of the tick issues because the whole discussion now is becoming the
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fact that I can find this coming out with a, um, a line vaccine. That's not coming out next year.
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So main discussion now is like, is that going to really prevent it? I don't think so. And then I
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could probably end up having to say all the things later on. But that really impact looking yet.
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All right. So now you're talking about barnell infection that cause a endothelial damage.
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When you're dealing with mold, mold impacts, cholesterol synthesis, in certain cases,
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and as was causing little prostration. So you're basically causing
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oxidation of the fat. So you, you, you're basically accelerating the act of scribe effect from
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forming. The thing is, I'm quite sure a lot of people are walking around with that issue.
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But the harder type of question is always about the perfect storm. What's causing that perfect
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stroke to occur? So I have this analogy called the humpy dumped effect. As long as the humpy
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dumped is sitting on a wall is perfectly fine. But when a little stress comes along and then that
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pumpy dumped it flips over, your, his whole shop cracks. And that's how my body was entire time
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dealing with stress, child traumas living in a moldy house, brewing up, molding,
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living in a moldy house to begin with because I bought a moldy house and then realized.
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And then have it to deal with this manifestation of a heart attack, right? So that was basically the
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end result of showing that there's problem there. Now you have to look at the deeper,
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really just like engine, right? So that's when, to your standpoint, where it took me two years
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to clear out the mold issue, including Bob Nellah. But that really helped me propel into doing
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what I'm doing at this point and to work with people, the old mold toxins, the sensitive
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biotoxid problem, right? And it just really changed my whole, my set of how medicine should be
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practiced, but also finding out that the entire discussion of function medicines broken and
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is complete BS. Also, I mean, we're talking further about that, but really helped with your
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impact. But I know the thing that I also learned is that the entire disease state is due to
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mitochondria dysfunction. And that mitochondria dysfunction leads, leads from the fact that,
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yeah, stress is going on with them. But then when you look at the context of the mitochondria,
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you have to look at even deeper is let them membrane and how let them membrane a hundred
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the impact it from these toxins. So it's just so isn't that. Yeah, no, I love that. What a great
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story. I mean, that great story, obviously, but you're in the brain. But I mean, you're so great.
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And say, I think everybody's life has a warning, you know, you get a fly in the
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lower and then it makes you stop and that's it. Wait a minute. What's going on? You're
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stappened at 33 and was, you know, could have taken your life. It's always a pain to
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quarry story, right? Yeah, absolutely. That is it. There's purpose in your pain, like you just
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have to find it. And for for you, it's a matter of you ended up going on that the
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pathways you find out that a heart attack was linked to mold, which is not where people would
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look for that. Like you said, like your your troponin levels looked fine. Like everything looked
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fine. And I think one of the things that I see a lot right now and it seems to be even
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in the social media type stuff, like there's a lot of this a lot of companies, even right now in
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the functional space, are doing this. Your doctor said everything is fine, but you know better.
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And it's like it's becoming marketing hook to a lot of companies for cheat.
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Correct. It's like are you fitty of low libido, you know, just restless, you know, brain fog,
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like all of these benign type symptoms and they're not long. Yeah. Like those things are early
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signs that some things going on, but the metaphorical I was talking to the CEO of a company recently
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and we were talking about their platform. And it was this everything looks fine. And it's that
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there was a comic and it was the doctor looking at the patient and the quote was I don't see anything
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wrong. And but the camera is looking from the back and you can see the guys got a giant nice
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of his back. But but the doctor is looking at the front. I don't see a problem. There is no issue
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in its understanding that we have to be viewed to multiple lenses. And and this needs to be a
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360 approach to what's talking about because if we're only looking at presenting symptoms,
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we're going to overlook non obvious solutions. And the truth is to the doctor's cry,
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nine out of 10 people who came into the emergency room with a hearted tech fit to criteria.
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You did and you're the one out of 10, the one out of 100 or the one out of a thousand case.
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The problem is that what led to yours being his mold toxicity is leading to a lot more. I mean,
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yours was a heart attack, which is unusual. But there's a thousand different problems. It's
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happening with no sort. And so again, back to my other question, where are these things that are
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causing people these problems? Like, where were the normal person? If you will look for this even
26:47
if you said, I bought a moldy house. Yeah. I was a, did you know that? So the easy way to look at
26:54
is, and this is a very simple question that people could do, you could go to my website, Dr.
26:59
Johnkin.com. And then there's a free questionnaire if you could answer and you can find out whether
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you give them a more toxic soda. That's the easiest way to do it. But just kind of give your
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context of who listens out there to look at any time you're a history of flooding in the basement
27:12
for instance, or you had a leak up upstairs, maybe I'll put it at it, for instance, any type of
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water damage is that's basically what it comes out to. Even a little tiny drip that occurs on
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the knee, your sink, that's also. So basically what it is is any type of moisture that's involved
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and it's dark and it's warm as a perfect environment, mold is number. But if you actually add a
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float or any type of water damage, that part is going to accelerate, you know, within 24 to 40
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hours. And then we give you some context of numbers. United States about, right now, about
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700,000 homes are dealing with molotoxys at this point in time. And they're finding that the
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people dealing with asthma allergies and any type of chronic issues like upper respiratory issues,
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about 40% are due to molotoxys. So you already have, we recognize this, there's a big problem.
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And the interesting part right now, even in terms of why the chromatical systems are not looking
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at this, CDC recognize that mold is very impact for health, matter of fact, it's very dangerous.
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Include the military. But the American college of toxicology do not look at mold as a issue,
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which is crazy. Really? Yes. Medical toxicology, which is crazy. That is crazy. So when you talk to ENT
28:33
for instance, they will never, never agree that there's a possibility of mold causation in the body.
28:41
I remember I, so I told you before we started recording that I had a mold issue.
28:45
Well, my office used to be in a building that was an old building. The same company had been in
28:51
the entire building for like 40 something years. So nothing had been done to it all that time.
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They moved out. They, you know, it was a nonprofit that we're not business. So an investor bought
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the building carved it up in the individual suites. We were the first kind.
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And nothing was a problem. We were there as in my space. Everything was good. We were on the
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fourth floor of this building of a fourth floor building. So we were upstairs. They had remodeled
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all the floors when they got to the fourth floor. It was about two years after we had moved in.
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And then it literally got point that I was choking breeding all the time and I couldn't figure out
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what was going on. And I was like, I would, I had taken antibiotics. I'd them everything.
29:31
Like it was a gut bombs on a regular trying to figure this out because I will be coughing. I was,
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I was flam constantly. There was like non-stop issues like ENT tech issues. And I could not
29:43
figure it out. And then I weighed out a town for something and I was fine. And I didn't happy
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very common ones. I'm like, well, this is kind of weird. And then I worked from home for a
29:52
couple days when I got back and I was fine. And I'm like, what is going on? Yeah. And it took
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a long time. I actually went out to dinner with a client in my at the time. He and his wife were both
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both doctors, functional practitioners. He was a chiropractor. He malpractices, functionally,
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everybody else. And I was sitting there and I said, I'm sorry. I'm like coughing. I just had
30:16
this problem for the last while. So on so forth. And it was funny because I'm sitting next to the
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four of us or the table. And then I'm describing the symptoms. And then all of a sudden, he
30:28
this wife, Luther, and I'm watching across the table. They just mounted each other. And I'm like,
30:33
what does that mean? And at the same time, they both, without even saying a word, they both went,
30:37
mold. One is like, and everything you're doing to solve the problem is PD that you're taking
30:45
antibiotics, mold bugs antibiotics. I'm like, what? They're like, you're doing this, you're doing
30:50
this. Like all of the things you're doing to try to solve it. And what doctors keep giving you to
30:55
solve it are perpetuating the problem. And literally in my lack, because I'm like, what do you
31:00
recommend? And their answer, they're like, well, if it gets worse, then first of all, stay out of
31:06
that building. Unfortunately, our lease was coming to an end. So we ended up, I just stopped going
31:11
into the office at all. Good. And with it, it stopped it simple. Like, well, you're netty pot.
31:17
That's a good suggestion. But swap out the sailing and get baking soda and stand. So I started
31:22
doing like baking soda nasal glasses. And then they're like, this is going on. You can hate this.
31:27
And they gave me this dosage of a red and oil. And it was like, so I was putting a red and oil
31:31
oil oil up my nose, which my bird by hell does easy things to do that now for this horror.
31:38
It's like literally I'm like diluting in olive oil.
31:43
First night, I slept like I hadn't slept in months. And I'm like, oh my gosh, this is terrible.
31:49
So I mean, I went through a series of pro calls and stuff to get right. I kicked this. But,
31:53
I mean, a friend of mine, do you know Sandy Martin? No, she's, I don't know, she's, she's here.
31:58
She actually, her entire entryway into biohacking in and of itself was through bramel toxicity.
32:06
Yep. Because neuro toxicity, especially when you talk about like certain things like
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try to decent for instance, which is black mold, that ship that's a central nervous system.
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Correct. And older and have a nervous system as well. And she was having like terrible issues
32:18
with it. And then she ended up funny enough. And I mean, to this day, Sandy's living her
32:22
muscle, but gongs because she got into biohacking because pharmaceuticals just kept feeding her
32:29
everything and everything and everything. And she intuitively was like, this isn't making it better.
32:33
Something else is wrong. And her husband at the time was like, go to the pharmacy, pick up
32:37
your prescription. I'm going to get it if you don't. And she finally dug their keels and it said,
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no, like there's something else wrong here. And she started literally just researching,
32:47
researching, researching it and ended up using gongs to help break up some of the mold of all the
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crazy stuff. So some frequency. Sound frequency. Exactly. And she went through multiple different
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areas. She was very, very, very, very, very, but I was like, now she's like the huge biohacking
33:01
advocate. She's just like, wow, the medical system money. Now, when people are experiencing
33:07
this, like I want you to give practical advice to people. Obviously, jontin.com, what people can
33:11
go learn more there. But what is the practical advice when people say, it's obviously we know
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what's the basement for it's obviously we know we everywhere is water and moisture.
33:20
Well, there's more than that humidity. Also, anytime the house is about 50% of humidity,
33:24
the mold can actually grow on us underwater. And are we talking about mold like in the shower?
33:30
And you're talking this now. You're talking about more toxic mold there. So, I mean, mold is
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everywhere. You get people. And this is also another problem associated with me. And she's like,
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oh, you're mold is bad. Well, there is this. There's outdoor mold. And then there's indoor mold.
33:43
Indoor mold is something they got to be worried about. Right. So indoor mold, when you talk about
33:46
like Aspergillus, you're talking about Panacillium, you're talking about Stachybatris,
33:51
those things, including Okotaksim. It's a very prevalent coffee, coffee, right? And then you're
33:56
talking also about like Physerium. All these are very toxic mold. And what these toxic
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mold and I've had to do is, and there's certain things in Joseph allergies, which is more
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IGE mediated. Yeah, they're the siftfuls and LD centers. That's one thing. But these
34:12
more toxic mold and I've had to cause some to go chronic and fabric response syndrome.
34:16
Search was the coin term by Dr. Robert Schumacher. But in context, it should cause the
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upward stream of the inflammation of the body, but also causes some membrane damage.
34:29
It also impacts other. How did he use this is functioning? Because remember, you know,
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conscious is functioning with mitochondria heavily constricted in your immune system.
34:39
People figured about that, right? So that's already this functional state there.
34:43
It also impacts the liver, but specific the bile mold impacts how the bile is getting to
34:49
and then as far as how the bile is getting flow as well. It also can impact the kidney. So you
34:53
have seen people were chatting kidney stones, for instance, where you have a high
34:57
level of the citronin and opatopsin. It can cause kidney stones as well. Interesting.
35:03
Well, chronic kidney stones specifically, right? And they could lead into bladder infection,
35:08
kidney infections. So you had people female, especially having to deal with chronic UTI
35:14
problem and they don't know what's going on. That's the reason why, right? Because it breaks
35:18
on the mucosal tissue and what is the mucosal tissue comprised of possible lipids, fats,
35:24
right? So those gets broken down. People who are dealing with severe gut problems,
35:29
especially sebum, small tassar bacteria, overgrowth, or ulcer colitis, like Crohn's disease,
35:35
each pylori infections, right? Those all can be into including a suffigitis problem. That's
35:41
the info nature of the suffigas. It impacts them from mole, trachathesis, especially breaks down
35:45
the mucosal lining of your gut lining as well. And I want to recall some of this stuff from
35:51
it. You're getting obviously a question of those ways that they impact the body. But last
35:56
thing I want to look at is how that neurological impact that we're talking about right now,
36:00
I've had clients who are actually having severe ticks, OCD symptoms, and psychological issues,
36:06
depression, anxiety from Moltoxoscate. When we cut that out, their symptoms end up having to
36:11
disappear. I have a zips. I have a client right now that she's almost actually done 18 years old,
36:18
diagnosed with autism when he was about five years old, grew up in a very moldy house,
36:23
and one of the things that it was impacting him was the fact that he had an uncomfortable tick
36:28
and then couldn't even sit down. And then he was still having these, he's still verbal,
36:32
which is great, which was able to communicate. But a lot of the OCD symptoms that he was
36:38
dealing with after working with me in about four months, that disappeared. He was able to look
36:43
at me, strained the eye over zoom, and up to communicate. Profound change after working to
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getting the moltoxana. And all the things that we didn't use any type of powerful anti-fungals,
36:55
we really focused on mitochondria help by adding in healthy essential fats, like phospholipids,
37:01
and replacing essential fatty acids, like literally an affluent lake, omega-6, omega-3, and these
37:07
are not bad. The needle omega-6, omega-3, and I'll shoot balance that out, especially to help
37:12
give you structure of the cell memory, but also keep this information and working on this
37:16
gut microbiome, and really shifting that positively and the gut brain axis. And as long as you give
37:22
the bi-direct tool, the body can heal itself. And this apart, that's really not placed into
37:29
when you talk about moltoxicity, because the entire discussion from the early 2000s, especially
37:34
look at the shoemaker protocol, was utilizing, yes, he explained a lot about the chronic
37:38
factory syndrome, but one of the focal point was having to utilizing some of these powerful
37:43
bicepretion binders, like coastione, which works well, not saying up to use it. The issue is that
37:50
it doesn't address the mitochondria dysfunction from the mole. Another thing is that coastone is
37:56
bind to phospholipis, which is the bilose structure of the cell memory. It also banishes it at the
38:00
same time. Well, what's interesting to me is moltoxicity, like, and the list thing that
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everything we're saying, and it's fasting it, and I'm like, and there's no common threat. But it
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could be this and this and this and this and this, and oh, your symptoms may include this and this,
38:15
and it could be anything, which means like the minute you have to scratch your head, you're like,
38:19
oh my gosh, is this mold that every single problem that happens actually could and could have
38:25
some kind of which is why so complex. Correct. And that's that's exactly where I'm getting like,
38:29
there's not one way that you're exposed to mold, and there's not one way that it presents,
38:35
and we live in such a problem solution oriented medical system that we're not looking at the full
38:40
panel of what could be wrong, and what are the possible causes of those things, because mold is
38:46
entirely upstream, upstream, this everywhere. And for this, this everywhere, he could have a
38:52
moldy, how a moldy breath for we know, right? So that could be that. But if you had to eat moldy
38:57
food, for instance, and if you have an underlying gut problem, that can call us at the same time.
39:00
Correct. Right. So what do we need to look at? So how do we explain this, and how do we look at
39:05
this in an easier standpoint as a for Mr. Joe Smith out there is having uncontrollable gut problem
39:12
and having grain fog and that he has tried multiple other things and not have to get the answer.
39:17
This is where working with the right functional practitioner really makes sense to just looking at
39:22
not just the gut problem, but looking at the full context of root cause. And so this is the part
39:28
that's often difficult to find biomarkers. Do you find that it? I mean, is there a specific biomarket
39:34
or several typically that's what I was going to actually looking at the more at the testing. So
39:38
specifically when you're looking at number one thing that I'm going to look at person's laughs is
39:43
a cholesterol numbers. The total cholesterol number and the quantity increase, but there are
39:48
APOB numbers and LDL and they have the increase drastically. And then their ACR number tends to go
39:54
down. So what that means is that when the ACR level usually goes down, it could be a sign of the
39:59
phospholid reserve has been down. But then also when you're looking at the cholesterol numbers
40:04
increasing, there's a sign of A back onto the solution. And also inflammation does actually
40:09
at that point. Right. Why is that? When there's an initial damage to cell membrane, the body's
40:14
rules should do it to fix that cell membrane by increasing cholesterol production.
40:18
All right. Right. It's a phenomenon that happens. It's not the fact that you need more
40:22
statins. It's the fact they have a root cause issue on information, which is damage to cell membrane,
40:28
which needs to be addressed. Right. Another thing that could also impact the cholesterol number is
40:34
I mentioned about how bio-flow gets affected by production. This is why you cannot clear
40:39
access cholesterol after at the same time. And for females, they tend to deal with more
40:44
dishes even more due to estrogen. Right. Estrogen may not happen to that, but also certain
40:50
more toxins that they know of is a estrogen mimicking. More toxins as well. So they end up
40:55
having to impact estrogen-like or estrogen-davine symptoms in e-nose.
41:00
What's yeah. So this is that's the reason why it's like really complex. And unless you really know
41:05
look at these things, it's very difficult. So right investigations is we're looking at going,
41:10
look at the labs. I mentioned about the lipids I look at. I look at also looking at some of the
41:15
chronic inflammatory markers like MNP9, CD4A, they're looking at TNF alpha. So IL6, right. Those are
41:21
really important there. Some of the things that I also looking at is their BUN numbers. As was
41:27
our look at their kidney functions as well. Looking at the thyroid functions, if there are actually
41:32
having core converse to be neutered, but also the fact that mold is should be impacting that.
41:39
Vitamin D numbers, any time the purse records you're coming in and they say that I didn't supplement
41:43
to a vitamin D, but vitamin D numbers up, you know, increasing. That's a son of a inflammation
41:49
that's going on there. It's not the fact that you need more vitamin D supplementations. It's
41:54
funny. You say inflammation because we're seeing everything we're saying. Every single one of those
41:57
things could be an inflammation. Right. But when you look at vitamin D, when you have a
42:01
number that's not increasing, even if it's supplementary, it's due to the fact that there's a
42:06
cell dangerous on list of mitochondria dysfunction that's going on. So the entire role of the body is
42:11
to going opposite direction to that. If you supplement more vitamin D, you could cause more
42:18
older immunity in the body. Well, and that was so everything that you're saying there. It's like
42:23
you're talking about mold actually just literally weakens the immune system. I can about my
42:27
mitochondrial dysfunction. You're talking about immune system suppression. And in that, we end
42:33
up with auto and human disease. And there's another impact that's going on right now that's not
42:37
really talked about. I'm connecting more and more about this. The reason that the modern housing
42:42
issue in terms of, yes, there's more could be going to the house there. The reason that the
42:47
modern housing issues even have to do more more is because of non-edity enough. That radiation
42:53
aspect of it from Wi-Fi signals to cell phone everything else is making the wall to door.
42:58
Exit them all that actually grows in high enough and by release very huge. And then when you talk
43:03
about a pressure deal and have a sensitivity problem, right, that's the biggest issue. And it
43:07
is interesting because both of my sisters actually have autoimmune issues. And to me, autoimmune,
43:12
I always say, I autoimmune to me just means I'm diagnosed. There's no such thing as an autoimmune
43:17
to me that just literally made you an undiagnosed problem way to found a very big head. And then,
43:22
one sister was like, well, you know, I will be in time. I'm prone to them. My doctor told me if I
43:26
had one and like leading it two or three, and I'm like, exactly. Because you're dealing with
43:32
the suppressed immune system for some reason, and rather than faradying out or finding out what
43:37
the problem is, you're accepting that I just have that this is just me. This is my life. And it's
43:42
like, and if you want to live with those consequences, you're welcome to, but you don't have to
43:46
necessarily, you just need to get to the root of some of those issues. So much painful. Yeah.
43:50
Dr. Kim, this is fascinating to me, honest to do. So we're talking about things that I don't think
43:54
most people are paying much attention to on a daily basis because it's in C as to our lives.
43:59
Yeah. And I, I live, you're making me think you made a comment about EMF and Mold Rose. And the
44:04
first thing I went to my head before you said that was, well, I live in a multi family like I
44:08
rubbed high rise. I'm like, I'm curious if I even mold that's not in my unit that I'd be
44:14
impacted by mold and other people's surrounding units because that could be airborne or even
44:19
due to ventilation systems or whatnot. Well, my gosh. It's insidious. It is. And even the worst
44:25
part is that it the higher the higher you are living above the ground floor, the more exposure to
44:34
impact on the other quarter fourth floor, you're not supposed to tell them well, that, well,
44:38
that that is that it's an impact effect that you're not, you're not grounding active in an
44:41
actual ground. So it's actually bad for you amount of conjure function as well. Well, so
44:46
grounding there. All right. Do the truth. Yeah. But you still need to ground it up,
44:49
nothing replaces like actual ground. Right. And he's not in each. Yeah. Even like more
44:53
of the things I'd call clients is there's a, you cannot replace us on. But there's no way
44:57
how much of an infrared on much of the UV panel you buy. I live in South Florida. You're not
45:01
going to worry. Oh, yeah. So I need to do that too. As well. I took him. I appreciate it. And I
45:06
love to have in this conversation with you. I'd love it to have this again. And you have to
45:09
knew that down that road because I think this is such a pervasive problem. And it's been
45:14
underdiagnosed and under treated in most people to you. You are wake up call that made you pay
45:20
attention to it. But for most people, they live with it and don't even realize that it's going on.
45:24
And I genuinely look at that and think of it as being my wow, how many people are dealing with
45:29
this? We talk about the numbers, but the numbers are only the people that we've talked to and
45:33
actually have been diagnosed. Notive for them, we talk about cardiovascular health and it's number
45:38
45.4% of the U.S. population has been diagnosed with some form of higher blood pressure.
45:44
When in fact, that's just the people that have been diagnosed is like, who knows how high that
45:48
number goes that we actually did the measurement of everybody. Thank you so much for being here.
45:54
For those of you who are watching, I know we'd run a little bit over, but this is Dr. John Kim.
45:58
He is a specialist of this and obviously talked about it being a functional pharmacist,
46:03
but now leaving that world, really focusing on mitochondrial house as well as a new function
46:08
as it relates to mold toxicity. Please look him out. JohnKim.com as well as follow him on
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46:23
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46:28
follow me. There you go. We're going out. All of it's in the show notes. Pay attention there
46:32
and out here. Yeah, this is a do as I say. I was a do, right? Thank you guys so much for paying
46:37
attention to our show today. We look forward to seeing you again. Again, Dr. Kim, thank you so
46:42
much. It's my end time. We'll see you up today and I hope you go enjoy the rest of our changing
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mic. See ya. Thank you.