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Self-Care versus Self-Indulgence · I Hate Talking

• 0:29
  I Hate Talking: Welcome to episode 72 of I Hate Talking.
• 0:32
  I Hate Talking: Hi everyone.
• 0:33
  I Hate Talking: So we'll jump right into our word or phrase of the episode, and I think there was actually a word that I used in a previous episode that I wanted to do as the word or phrase of the episode, but I have no idea what it was and I did not have time to go listen to our previous episode to find that.
• 0:49
  I Hate Talking: So we'll do a word that came up in conversation today, in fact, and that word is the word penitent.
• 0:57
  I Hate Talking: OK.
• 0:57
  I Hate Talking: So this came up because we were studying Psalm 6 and according to some theologians, Psalm 6 is one of 7 penitent Psalms.
• 1:10
  I Hate Talking: And I think both of us had some fuzzy idea on the word penitent and what it might mean, but we did not, and still did not look up the exact definition nor the etymology.
• 1:23
  I Hate Talking: Right, yeah.
• 1:24
  I Hate Talking: I mean, I feel like I could use it in a sentence, but I couldn't define it.
• 1:29
  I Hate Talking: Yes, and I think that would probably be similar for me.
• 1:34
  I Hate Talking: My particular memory of the word penitent is from Indiana Jones and the Final Crusade.
• 1:41
  I Hate Talking: I don't remember any of those shows.
• 1:43
  I Hate Talking: I remember the Disney ride though.
• 1:45
  I Hate Talking: Well, I do remember the Disney ride.
• 1:47
  I Hate Talking: I remember it was very bumpy and I actually was sort of sore after that.
• 1:52
  I Hate Talking: And that was when I was still young.
• 1:54
  I Hate Talking: So I don't know if I, my body could hold up to that today.
• 1:58
  I Hate Talking: But in that particular movie, there's a number of clues as they are entering into the cave system to try to find the holy grail, and one of those particular clues is that the penitent man will persevere through the particular challenges.
• 2:19
  I Hate Talking: And Indiana Jones solves that clue at the very last moment and spoiler alert, kneels and some blades or something go over his head because he says, quote, the penitent man kneels before God.
• 2:35
  I Hate Talking: Oh, OK.
• 2:36
  I Hate Talking: So that is how I would sort of think of the word penitent because of that particular movie occurrence of that word, where it has an aspect of humbleness or being bowed down before something or someone.
• 2:54
  I Hate Talking: And I also probably think it's related to the root word penance, where maybe you're repaying something for some particular wrongdoing.
• 3:03
  I Hate Talking: So if you are Penitent, you are humble in your particular outlook towards this person or thing that you are trying to be sorry or paying back for some wrongdoing.
• 3:17
  I Hate Talking: Yeah, that makes sense.
• 3:18
  I Hate Talking: I think of similar.
• 3:20
  I Hate Talking: I think about it being like asking for forgiveness or being sorry for things you've done.
• 3:26
  I Hate Talking: OK, so given that particular usage from our lives and sort of how we understand that, we'll look up the official definition, as well as the etymology.
• 3:37
  I Hate Talking: So from our favorite Oxford language dictionary, it defines penitent as quote, feeling or showing sorrow and regret for having done wrong.
• 3:48
  I Hate Talking: Repentant is a particular synonym and it actually can be used as a noun as well, and that being defined as a person who repents their sins or wrongdoings and seeks forgiveness.
• 4:01
  I Hate Talking: OK, yeah, so we were like on track there.
• 4:04
  I Hate Talking: Yes, I guess Indiana Jones was not really on track because he described it simply as humbleness and that being done through the physical action of kneeling.
• 4:14
  I Hate Talking: I can see there's a part of it, right, with, you need humility to repent.
• 4:21
  I Hate Talking: Yes.
• 4:22
  I Hate Talking: I agree.
• 4:24
  I Hate Talking: It's just not the exact definition.
• 4:26
  I Hate Talking: In that particular movie scene, I don't think.
• 4:30
  I Hate Talking: But is Indiana Jones supposed to be religious or Christian?
• 4:34
  I Hate Talking: No, not particularly.
• 4:36
  I Hate Talking: OK.
• 4:36
  I Hate Talking: Now, an interesting side note here as I'm searching for penitent etymology, there's another phrase that comes up, penitent ethylene, which I guess has something to do with plant growth and development and stress responses and Penitent ethylene can be used as a way to describe a plant's response to stress where ethylene production leads to a form of quote unquote repentance or corrective action such as shedding of leaves to conserve resources.
• 5:10
  I Hate Talking: Oh, So, just an interesting little use of the word penitent within a very scientific term.
• 5:19
  I Hate Talking: OK.
• 5:19
  I Hate Talking: So it comes from Latin and flows through Old French into English and it comes from two particular Latin terms, pay and and pay and tent.
• 5:34
  I Hate Talking: And again, I'm probably mispronouncing those but it basically literally means repenting.
• 5:40
  I Hate Talking: So penitent comes to mean something where you are repentant or repenting.
• 5:48
  I Hate Talking: And so I think that fits within the definition that we were talking about where someone is sorry or repentant for their wrongdoing.
• 5:59
  I Hate Talking: And within the Latin, I guess it can also more loosely be used to mean to cause regret or to feel regret, and that is a, again, a particular feeling that is being described.
• 6:13
  I Hate Talking: And then what we said at the start of the episode that penances may be the same root word.
• 6:18
  I Hate Talking: It is the same original Latin word in the beginning, pay and tier, and then went in a separate direction for a different Latin word and then that became used in the old French and Middle English as penances.
• 6:33
  I Hate Talking: So that is our word or phrase of the episode, penitent and still can't remember what the word of the episode should have been based on a particular word that I used last time, but Maybe we'll find that for next time or you, our listeners can suggest a word for us to dive into the definition and etymology.
• 6:54
  I Hate Talking: Mhm So now we'll move into the topic of the episode.
• 7:00
  I Hate Talking: Yeah, something I've been thinking about lately is the difference between self-care and self-indulgence.
• 7:07
  I Hate Talking: What would you think about those two?
• 7:10
  I Hate Talking: Yeah, I think self-care has become popular in more recent times where you're going to do things that are quote unquote for your own benefit so that you don't become burnt out or overly sad or depressed or whatnot.
• 7:29
  I Hate Talking: So one particular example that comes to mind is like if you take a quote unquote mental health day, it may not be a sick day, but You need a break from work and the normal routine, so you take that as a personal day and that would be sort of, I guess within the category of self-care versus self-indulgence where you're doing something purely for your own pleasure.
• 7:54
  I Hate Talking: And perhaps doing something that is, I guess, to use that word indulgent where you're indulging in something that is, again, probably a little bit more for your own pleasure and hedonistic in nature.
• 8:10
  I Hate Talking: So that would sort of be my initial reaction to those particular two terms.
• 8:17
  I Hate Talking: So I guess to categorize that more simply, perhaps self-care is trying to do something to fix something versus self-indulgence is for the pure enjoyment of something.
• 8:31
  I Hate Talking: OK, I'll give you a couple of things and you tell me self-care or self-indulgence, OK?
• 8:35
  I Hate Talking: Just for my own opinion, off the top of your head right away.
• 8:39
  I Hate Talking: Watching a TV show.
• 8:42
  I Hate Talking: Self-indulgent.
• 8:44
  I Hate Talking: Going for a run.
• 8:45
  I Hate Talking: Self-care.
• 8:47
  I Hate Talking: Eating out.
• 8:50
  I Hate Talking: I guess that one would depend on perhaps the motivation, but by default, I would say self-indulgent.
• 8:57
  I Hate Talking: Taking a bath.
• 8:59
  I Hate Talking: Self-care.
• 9:00
  I Hate Talking: Lighting a candle.
• 9:03
  I Hate Talking: Self-indulgent, but that's because I particularly don't really necessarily care for candles all that much, so I could go either way on that one too.
• 9:12
  I Hate Talking: Drinking a glass of wine.
• 9:14
  I Hate Talking: Self-indulgent.
• 9:16
  I Hate Talking: Reading a book.
• 9:17
  I Hate Talking: Depends on the style and topic of the book, I would probably lean more towards self-care.
• 9:25
  I Hate Talking: Listening to a podcast.
• 9:27
  I Hate Talking: Same, but would probably lean towards self-care.
• 9:31
  I Hate Talking: Driving with the windows rolled down.
• 9:33
  I Hate Talking: Self-indulgent.
• 9:35
  I Hate Talking: So, I mean, that's just off the top of your head, what comes to mind.
• 9:40
  I Hate Talking: And I feel like all that could be in both categories, theoretically.
• 9:46
  I Hate Talking: I started thinking about this topic because often in mom culture, especially, but all around.
• 9:53
  I Hate Talking: It says like self-care, and it'll be like a mom taking a bath with a glass of wine.
• 10:00
  I Hate Talking: Or like somebody recently, a famous person, I won't say they all that, but they were like, all you need to do is light a candle every day for self-care.
• 10:11
  I Hate Talking: And I think all those things can help, but I feel like the difference comes from self-care is like a long term.
• 10:21
  I Hate Talking: Something that is good for your body or your soul, or your mind, or self-indulgence ends up being more instant gratification.
• 10:29
  I Hate Talking: Like, it's not bad watching a TV show, but if you're going to just turn that on to shut down your brain, I'd consider that more self-indulgence.
• 10:39
  I Hate Talking: It's not actually long term helping you.
• 10:41
  I Hate Talking: That's just immediately Tuning the life out.
• 10:45
  I Hate Talking: Maybe, but what if you're watching like a National Geographic special on human psychology and things that you can do in order to create good habits.
• 10:56
  I Hate Talking: Yeah, I think that could possibly be self-care then.
• 10:59
  I Hate Talking: I think that's why I was saying there's like a lot of gray area within it.
• 11:02
  I Hate Talking: And it's just like more of the culture of like, I think self-care needs to be thought of long term, like, is this benefiting me?
• 11:10
  I Hate Talking: Is this gonna benefit my body, my brain, my interactions with people, or is this just an immediate I need to zone out, or I need this to calm down, or that sort of thing?
• 11:22
  I Hate Talking: So self-care is not calming down?
• 11:25
  I Hate Talking: I don't think necessarily immediate calm down.
• 11:28
  I Hate Talking: I think long term.
• 11:30
  I Hate Talking: Could be, but if you're going to something like, I'm stressed, I'm gonna pour a glass of wine.
• 11:37
  I Hate Talking: I don't think, yes, that calms you down, but that's not self-care.
• 11:41
  I Hate Talking: That is self-indulgence or that is self-medicating.
• 11:46
  I Hate Talking: -- So -- you're going against the mom culture by saying that taking a bath with a glass of wine is not self-care?
• 11:52
  I Hate Talking: Yeah, I don't think it is.
• 11:54
  I Hate Talking: I enjoy that.
• 11:55
  I Hate Talking: I do.
• 11:55
  I Hate Talking: Uh, I do a couple of times a year, uh, it's not a regular thing, but I enjoy it, but I do not think that long term that is something that's beneficial to me, but it is something that's relaxing and enjoyable.
• 12:08
  I Hate Talking: That's true.
• 12:10
  I Hate Talking: So what about the example that I gave as one of sort of the main culture ideas of self-care with a mental health day.
• 12:18
  I Hate Talking: I think it could be both.
• 12:20
  I Hate Talking: I think it could be self-care or self-indulgence.
• 12:24
  I Hate Talking: Part of it would probably be why you're doing it and also what you're doing when you're there.
• 12:28
  I Hate Talking: If you're calling off work and saying that I needed a self-care day, mental health day, but then you're just laying in bed all day.
• 12:37
  I Hate Talking: Is that really benefiting you long term?
• 12:40
  I Hate Talking: Maybe you need to sleep, maybe you're sick, or just so overwhelmed.
• 12:44
  I Hate Talking: But then once you get out of bed, what are you gonna do?
• 12:47
  I Hate Talking: Cause you can't lay in bed every day all day.
• 12:50
  I Hate Talking: So, if you need that break, take it.
• 12:53
  I Hate Talking: But this can't be a routine thing because that's not obviously long term helping you.
• 12:58
  I Hate Talking: Perhaps so we should never take breaks.
• 13:01
  I Hate Talking: No, I think you can, but again, the break is why are you taking the break?
• 13:07
  I Hate Talking: If your body, every night you sleep, cause your body needs to rest and recuperate.
• 13:11
  I Hate Talking: That is self-care.
• 13:13
  I Hate Talking: But does your body need to rest and recuperate for 15 hours a day?
• 13:16
  I Hate Talking: If you're a healthy average person, then no.
• 13:19
  I Hate Talking: That's true.
• 13:21
  I Hate Talking: So in that case, that would be self-indulgence if somebody's doing that over and over again as sort of a lifestyle.
• 13:28
  I Hate Talking: I think so.
• 13:28
  I Hate Talking: Yeah, I would probably tend to agree.
• 13:31
  I Hate Talking: I guess perhaps part of the issue is maybe in the high pressure, high demand society that we live in that these things become more prevalent because of that particular outlook on life where you have to perform at a certain level day in and day out that maybe there are increased breakdowns that require mental health days per se.
• 13:56
  I Hate Talking: And that is maybe why we're running into some of the gray area where how you treat those things or the necessity of them may vary from person to person as well as a output of the particular culture and society that one finds themselves in.
• 14:14
  I Hate Talking: Yeah, I can see that.
• 14:16
  I Hate Talking: And I wonder if people are doing self-care, like quote unquote, self-care properly, maybe wouldn't need those mental health days, or maybe you wouldn't need those things, cause you're not running till your body collapses.
• 14:29
  I Hate Talking: That's true.
• 14:31
  I Hate Talking: So perhaps self-care is incremental in nature and you should not be coming to the point of mental breakdown before you take a mental health day.
• 14:42
  I Hate Talking: Right.
• 14:42
  I Hate Talking: Yes, I suppose so.
• 14:44
  I Hate Talking: So then can the same idea be applied to the bath and wine thing?
• 14:49
  I Hate Talking: What do you mean by that?
• 14:51
  I Hate Talking: Well, I don't, I'm not in the culture per se, so.
• 14:54
  I Hate Talking: I have never really felt the need to do that, nor have even had that suggested to me.
• 15:04
  I Hate Talking: Nor have really any particular empathetic feelings towards a bath and candles and a glass of wine.
• 15:13
  I Hate Talking: OK.
• 15:14
  I Hate Talking: So is that a response to a high demand society lifestyle that then results in a breakdown or is it something that is more incremental in nature?
• 15:26
  I Hate Talking: I don't know, I could probably be both.
• 15:28
  I Hate Talking: I think that like, if you're doing it because you cannot calm down another way, like, I think there's something in your lifestyle, or the way you're handling it, that isn't right.
• 15:39
  I Hate Talking: If the only way that you can calm down at night is by taking a bath and pouring a glass of wine.
• 15:44
  I Hate Talking: And I don't think that's self-care.
• 15:47
  I Hate Talking: I think that that is Something else in your system and your life is out of whack and you're self-medicating in a way.
• 15:56
  I Hate Talking: And that falls within the category of self-indulgence then, I suppose.
• 16:01
  I Hate Talking: I think so.
• 16:02
  I Hate Talking: I don't think there's anything wrong with that and I think that everyone probably deserves some indulgence here and there, but I think that people use the term self-care and then they'll justify.
• 16:13
  I Hate Talking: Doing stuff that's more self-indulgent.
• 16:15
  I Hate Talking: Like you're gonna go to Target for self-care.
• 16:18
  I Hate Talking: It's not really self-care.
• 16:19
  I Hate Talking: It's enjoyable.
• 16:20
  I Hate Talking: That's true.
• 16:22
  I Hate Talking: I guess if you do enough penance, you can have some indulgences.
• 16:25
  I Hate Talking: There you go.
• 16:27
  I Hate Talking: There you go.
• 16:27
  I Hate Talking: I didn't think we were gonna be able to connect the topic in the word but yes we did.
• 16:30
  I Hate Talking: That's true.
• 16:33
  I Hate Talking: So the other way that I would sort of perhaps categorize these is that self-care, while the term is directed towards self, you're perhaps making yourself better for performance or the benefit of others in some form or fashion, whereas self-indulgence is purely selfish in nature.
• 16:56
  I Hate Talking: Yeah, I can see that cause I think that working out can be self-care.
• 17:01
  I Hate Talking: It's very important for your body and all.
• 17:04
  I Hate Talking: But, do you need to be in the gym for 4 to 5 hours a day?
• 17:09
  I Hate Talking: Probably not, that's probably more for yourself then.
• 17:13
  I Hate Talking: At that point, to self-indulge.
• 17:16
  I Hate Talking: So I think many things under the self-care category.
• 17:20
  I Hate Talking: could be very helpful and useful, but they could also be used inappropriately and used to overindulge.
• 17:28
  I Hate Talking: Yes, so continuing on that particular example, if you're spending 5 hours in the gym for your own personal reasons that perhaps could fall within the self-indulgent category, unless maybe you're like a bodybuilder and that's like your professional career and that's what you do for a living, but I think those are edge cases versus the normal person that is spending 45 minutes to 90 minutes in the gym to be healthy to have a Healthy lifestyle and a extended life span, so that they are a productive member of society and able to be there for their family and kids and provide for those that depend on them.
• 18:12
  I Hate Talking: Right, yeah.
• 18:13
  I Hate Talking: Cause if you're, instead of coming home, going to the gym and spending that lawn there, and you won't see the kids at all, you know, and then that's not benefiting our family, because then they'd never see you.
• 18:25
  I Hate Talking: So then is really the definition of self-care.
• 18:29
  I Hate Talking: Group care.
• 18:30
  I Hate Talking: Yeah, maybe.
• 18:32
  I Hate Talking: I mean, if you draw it out, because again, for the moms, I'm not trying to bash moms, but if they're not mentally taking breaks and they're exhausted, then it does trickle down to the family.
• 18:45
  I Hate Talking: The whole family then can struggle.
• 18:48
  I Hate Talking: I mean, anyone in the family, if they're struggling, then it trickles to everyone.
• 18:53
  I Hate Talking: But, so I don't think there's anything wrong with the mom saying like, hey, I need to take a break, or I need this or that, to get in the right mental space, so that then she can come back and care her for her family well.
• 19:06
  I Hate Talking: That's true.
• 19:08
  I Hate Talking: I think that is perhaps a good barometer or sort of litmus test for self-care versus self-indulgence is.
• 19:17
  I Hate Talking: And I've touched on it a little bit already, is that self-indulgence is going to be purely for yourself, whereas self-care is for yourself, but the long term goal is that you're more healthy and able to be a better member of society or your family or your workplace or whatever particular groups of people that you interact with.
• 19:41
  I Hate Talking: Right.
• 19:41
  I Hate Talking: Long term, does other people benefit from this also is what you're saying.
• 19:45
  I Hate Talking: Yes, and I think the term is important and that's something that you alluded to is it.
• 19:51
  I Hate Talking: For a very brief amount of time, where that would probably fall more within the category of self-indulgence versus a fulfillment of a long-term goal or a long-term benefit and that perhaps maybe falls within more of the self-care category.
• 20:08
  I Hate Talking: Yeah, I think so.
• 20:10
  I Hate Talking: So do you feel like you'd have to correct people when you hear this term now, or will you just leave it be?
• 20:16
  I Hate Talking: Well, I guess I can just direct them to this episode.
• 20:18
  I Hate Talking: I guess No, I don't think I would particularly correct them.
• 20:24
  I Hate Talking: Maybe if it's a very close friend that is.
• 20:28
  I Hate Talking: Perhaps describing things that don't quite align to how I perceive reality, I would perhaps intervene and give them my particular perspective, but I think in everyday life with just Acquaintances or when I would run up against this term in everyday life, I would not really feel the need to do any particular correction of the term.
• 20:53
  I Hate Talking: I'd sort of just write it off and go about my own life.
• 20:56
  I Hate Talking: Mhm.
• 20:56
  I Hate Talking: Yeah, I agree.
• 20:58
  I Hate Talking: I don't think I would really say much, but I don't think I tend to recommend self-care in general to people.
• 21:04
  I Hate Talking: So next time you see the meme on your social media sites, you're not going to write an angry comment and be like, -- this is not -- self-care.
• 21:12
  I Hate Talking: I've never done anything like that.
• 21:13
  I Hate Talking: No, I will not begin doing that now.
• 21:16
  I Hate Talking: -- That's not -- self-care.
• 21:17
  I Hate Talking: Or just post a link to this podcast episode.
• 21:19
  I Hate Talking: Yeah, it's OK.
• 21:22
  I Hate Talking: So, before we end this episode, I guess perhaps we can each give one example of our favorite or most effective, or both.
• 21:31
  I Hate Talking: Example of self-care and self-indulgence that we each use.
• 21:36
  I Hate Talking: OK.
• 21:36
  I Hate Talking: Oh, that's hard, just one.
• 21:39
  I Hate Talking: Yeah, I think you're either go to or you're again, maybe most effective that you find in either category.
• 21:49
  I Hate Talking: OK.
• 21:51
  I Hate Talking: So, my self-care probably overall.
• 21:54
  I Hate Talking: Through the years, is waking up earlier in the morning.
• 21:59
  I Hate Talking: I try to get out of bed before everyone else.
• 22:02
  I Hate Talking: That doesn't always happen, but I'm almost always awake before everyone else.
• 22:06
  I Hate Talking: And it's a really good time.
• 22:08
  I Hate Talking: I can just think about what I need to do.
• 22:10
  I Hate Talking: Looking ahead at the day, I spend time praying.
• 22:14
  I Hate Talking: I just am mentally getting ready, and then I often get up and we'll go read or go do other things.
• 22:22
  I Hate Talking: But even just that little bit of time in the bed before anyone else is talking to me or requiring anything from me.
• 22:30
  I Hate Talking: It's super helpful if I don't have it.
• 22:32
  I Hate Talking: I feel really rushed throughout the day and more irritable.
• 22:37
  I Hate Talking: OK, so that's your example of self-care.
• 22:40
  I Hate Talking: So it's interesting to note that when I think of examples, I actually more quickly arrive at self-indulgent examples.
• 22:49
  I Hate Talking: So I don't know what that says about me, but Well, more indulgence came into my head instantly when you suggested this.
• 22:57
  I Hate Talking: That I was like only one because there's a lot of, yeah, there's a lot of indulgence that pops in my head that I do.
• 23:03
  I Hate Talking: One that I'm trying to break is drinking soda.
• 23:08
  I Hate Talking: I love it and it's a calming thing for me, but I realized that like, it's not healthy, especially cause I drink it when I'm stressed.
• 23:18
  I Hate Talking: And I justify it like, oh, there's way worse things other people drink or do when they're stressed.
• 23:25
  I Hate Talking: But I still don't like that I have something like that.
• 23:29
  I Hate Talking: So, where I used to justify getting a soda on my way home from a difficult doctor's appointment.
• 23:36
  I Hate Talking: I'm trying to break that habit because that's not benefiting me, it's not benefiting our budget.
• 23:43
  I Hate Talking: Or my health or anything like that.
• 23:46
  I Hate Talking: It's just an immediate relaxing.
• 23:49
  I Hate Talking: Indeed.
• 23:51
  I Hate Talking: So I guess you were thinking of perhaps some of my personal routine or habits that I do when you were describing some of the examples like driving with the windows down.
• 24:02
  I Hate Talking: Oh yes, I hate that.
• 24:04
  I Hate Talking: Oh, I hate and do that.
• 24:05
  I Hate Talking: So is that self-care or self-indulgent then?
• 24:08
  I Hate Talking: -- That's what I -- was.
• 24:09
  I Hate Talking: I thought you'd say it was self-care.
• 24:11
  I Hate Talking: I think I said it was indulgence.
• 24:14
  I Hate Talking: You did.
• 24:14
  I Hate Talking: I was surprised.
• 24:15
  I Hate Talking: -- I fully expected you to say -- self-care.
• 24:18
  I Hate Talking: Well, maybe if you asked me 10 years ago, I would have said something different, but you knew the answer though.
• 24:23
  I Hate Talking: -- I -- get this time I'd better.
• 24:25
  I Hate Talking: OK, so for myself, I think self-indulgences will be perhaps.
• 24:33
  I Hate Talking: Having a drink every once in a while.
• 24:37
  I Hate Talking: So, for example, I just had an old fashioned.
• 24:39
  I Hate Talking: So that is something that I guess is self-indulgent.
• 24:43
  I Hate Talking: And I guess according to your mom groups could be self-care, but I would put that more in the category of self-indulgent.
• 24:51
  I Hate Talking: I don't particularly have things with food or soda.
• 24:56
  I Hate Talking: I occasionally will maybe enjoy pizza or ice cream.
• 25:02
  I Hate Talking: Those would probably be my two self-indulgent food groups.
• 25:06
  I Hate Talking: I guess driving with windows down, since we already talked about that one, would be another self-indulgence.
• 25:11
  I Hate Talking: I do enjoy that.
• 25:12
  I Hate Talking: Perhaps sometimes to the detriment of others, because they do not enjoy it, but we each have our turn with sometimes windows and sometimes air conditioning or heat, cause I will do it even in the cold of winter, right?
• 25:26
  I Hate Talking: Or just nothing.
• 25:27
  I Hate Talking: I don't need air or heat.
• 25:28
  I Hate Talking: I just need the windows up.
• 25:29
  I Hate Talking: So maybe your self indulgence is Windows up.
• 25:33
  I Hate Talking: No, that's definitely a self-care thing.
• 25:36
  I Hate Talking: cause that drives me insane and it's something about the sound.
• 25:41
  I Hate Talking: It hurts my ears.
• 25:43
  I Hate Talking: And then perhaps sleeping in, I don't do that as much as I used to, but I guess that would probably be perhaps one self-indulgence that sometimes I partake in and enjoy.
• 25:55
  I Hate Talking: I think together, our most common self-indulgence is watching TV.
• 26:01
  I Hate Talking: There's a lot of other things we could do at night, but we fall asleep watching TV together, and I enjoy, I'm not saying we should stop necessarily, but I don't think it really benefits anything.
• 26:13
  I Hate Talking: Yes, perhaps so.
• 26:15
  I Hate Talking: I think that if you watch television with a critical mind and and perhaps uncover certain plot things within even fictional stories that there can be some sort of intellectual benefit and then certainly like the example I mentioned with perhaps some scientific shows where you're learning something and can actually use some of those scientific concepts for your own benefit.
• 26:42
  I Hate Talking: That there's gonna be some self-care aspects to those.
• 26:45
  I Hate Talking: And then we've talked about in previous episodes, just the aspect of comedy, where if you're laughing, perhaps that is a bit of more of the self-care versus self-indulgence, but yes, I would agree that we are somewhat self-indulgent when it comes to a variety of TV shows that we sometimes watch.
• 27:04
  I Hate Talking: But you're right, it can be, and we can argue that it's a time that you and I spend together.
• 27:10
  I Hate Talking: You know, so it's like building our relationship, cause we talk about the shows we're watching and such.
• 27:16
  I Hate Talking: So, I can see how people would justify it both ways.
• 27:19
  I Hate Talking: And the same thing with comedy is, it can be really good for the heart and soul to laugh and all that.
• 27:26
  I Hate Talking: And just bring some levity to the situation.
• 27:29
  I Hate Talking: That's true.
• 27:31
  I Hate Talking: And then within the self-care category, perhaps exercise, I will always have a particular goal for reading or listening to books, uh, try to stay up on some news and things of that nature, and then we'll take PTO days or time off and make sure that I have a break when things are busy.
• 27:52
  I Hate Talking: So there are a number of responsibilities that we have and we've touched on those in previous episodes, but Making sure to take a break.
• 28:01
  I Hate Talking: Mhm.
• 28:01
  I Hate Talking: So, Podcasting.
• 28:05
  I Hate Talking: Where does that fall?
• 28:06
  I Hate Talking: I think it could be both.
• 28:08
  I Hate Talking: I suppose so.
• 28:11
  I Hate Talking: I mean, when we set out to begin our podcasting journey, I think we would have categorized it more within the self-care or perhaps within just the benefit of others being part of why we want to do this and to do something better with our time than just watching TV or being self-indulgent, so.
• 28:30
  I Hate Talking: As long as that definition still holds true, I guess we would put it in the self-care category.
• 28:36
  I Hate Talking: OK, there you go, or care for others and that's you, our listeners.
• 28:40
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• 28:52
  I Hate Talking: There are many different things that you can do, but the most important thing that you can do if you did like this episode is simply share it with just one other person.
• 29:01
  I Hate Talking: Yeah.
• 29:02
  I Hate Talking: That's good self-care.
• 29:04
  I Hate Talking: Indeed.
• 29:05
  I Hate Talking: So from your friends at IH Talking, until next time, remember it is only through talking that we begin the journey to understanding.