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Organization for the Busy Mompreneur | Guest Dana White Enneagram Five · The Wholehearted Enneagram Podcast

• 0:03
  SPEAKER_01: Hi, I'm Amy Wicks, a Jesus and Enneagram enthusiast.
• 0:07
  SPEAKER_01: As a wife, mama of three humans, and a fur baby, I get it.
• 0:12
  SPEAKER_01: Juggling entrepreneurship in a family is challenging.
• 0:16
  SPEAKER_01: But I believe the Lord does want your work to be enjoyable.
• 0:20
  SPEAKER_01: As an Enneagram Type 7, I am all about the fun factor.
• 0:23
  SPEAKER_01: And this podcast is here to help you put the joy back into working mom life.
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  SPEAKER_01: So you can see 1 Timothy 6.17 come to pass in your own unique life.
• 0:35
  SPEAKER_01: It's a verse that says that God has given us all things to enjoy.
• 0:39
  SPEAKER_01: All?
• 0:40
  SPEAKER_01: Well, friends, it means all.
• 0:42
  SPEAKER_01: Motherhood, work from home life, or work out of home life.
• 0:46
  SPEAKER_01: With the Lord's help, there's truly a way to feel calm, balance, joy, clarity, and peace in any arena of life.
• 0:56
  SPEAKER_01: Welcome to the Simply Wholehearted Podcast, where you can expect solo-style and interview-style episodes that are full of faith-based concepts, simple ideas, Enneagram insights, alongside practical tips to help you put that smile back on your face when it comes to doing life with Jesus.
• 1:16
  SPEAKER_01: Now get your headphones and head to that big pile of dishes in the sink, or maybe that bathroom that needed cleaning two weeks ago.
• 1:26
  SPEAKER_01: And let's get to learning together.
• 1:32
  SPEAKER_01: Today on the show, I'm so excited to tell you that Dana White has joined us again.
• 1:38
  SPEAKER_01: Now, the last time we chatted for the podcast was in 2018, which for me feels like a lifetime ago.
• 1:45
  SPEAKER_01: How about for you?
• 1:47
  SPEAKER_01: I think it was a lifetime ago.
• 1:49
  SPEAKER_01: But a fun fact is that Dana's past appearance on the Simply Wholehearted podcast is still one of the highest downloaded episodes.
• 1:58
  SPEAKER_01: And you can listen to that one if you haven't already.
• 2:01
  SPEAKER_01: It's episode number 36.
• 2:04
  SPEAKER_01: Yep, I told you it was way back when, and titled A Slob Comes Clean.
• 2:10
  SPEAKER_01: Now, if you don't know Dana, let me tell you a little bit about her.
• 2:14
  SPEAKER_01: Her hats that she wears is author, podcaster, Enneagram 5, and decluttering specialists.
• 2:21
  SPEAKER_01: Dana is known for her organization strategies that work in real life.
• 2:27
  SPEAKER_01: And just this month, she launched a new book called Organizing for the Rest of Us.
• 2:32
  SPEAKER_01: I'm really excited to dig into this resource.
• 2:34
  SPEAKER_01: I love how Dana says that the key to ridding our homes of clutter is by changing the way we think about our stuff.
• 2:43
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, friend, I think that mindset can help us change so much in our life.
• 2:49
  SPEAKER_01: Now Dana is the queen for coming up with organization tips for people who hate organization.
• 2:55
  SPEAKER_01: Isn't that relatable?
• 2:57
  SPEAKER_01: Well, I think you will feel a great sense of relief come upon you as you listen to this conversation and hear Dana teach on decluttering your home.
• 3:06
  SPEAKER_01: It really will take less time than you think.
• 3:09
  SPEAKER_01: It's doable and attainable for everyone.
• 3:12
  SPEAKER_01: And you can tell in her fun and easy-going way, basically, she really wants people to love the home they have.
• 3:20
  SPEAKER_01: So, do you have a messy house?
• 3:23
  SPEAKER_01: Are you craving simple organization in your home and business?
• 3:27
  SPEAKER_01: And are you curious how different Enneagram types approach cleaning?
• 3:30
  SPEAKER_01: Well then grab your headphones and maybe the dog and let's go for a walk together and learn.
• 3:45
  SPEAKER_01: Dana, I'm so excited to have you back on the Simply Whole Heart podcast.
• 3:50
  SPEAKER_01: Thanks for coming back.
• 3:52
  SPEAKER_01: Thanks for having me on.
• 3:53
  SPEAKER_01: It's been a long time, hasn't it?
• 3:54
  SPEAKER_01: It has.
• 3:55
  SPEAKER_01: In fact, I was trying to, I was recalling the last time we chatted, maybe 2018.
• 4:02
  SPEAKER_01: Was it 2017?
• 4:03
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, it's been four or five years.
• 4:06
  SPEAKER_00: You had a co-host back then.
• 4:07
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, I did.
• 4:08
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, yes.
• 4:09
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it was.
• 4:10
  SPEAKER_01: It was like a lifetime ago.
• 4:12
  SPEAKER_01: I would never have dreamt that I'd be doing the podcast.
• 4:15
  SPEAKER_01: It will be five years in March.
• 4:16
  SPEAKER_01: So it's probably been about four years.
• 4:18
  SPEAKER_00: And awesome.
• 4:19
  SPEAKER_00: I'm so proud of you.
• 4:20
  SPEAKER_00: That's amazing.
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  SPEAKER_00: I love it.
• 4:21
  SPEAKER_01: Thank you.
• 4:22
  SPEAKER_01: I'm I'm proud of myself in the sense that I'm not traditionally a very consistent person.
• 4:28
  SPEAKER_01: I get distracted by shiny new things.
• 4:30
  SPEAKER_01: And while the podcast has changed and shifted, I've stuck with it.
• 4:34
  SPEAKER_01: So that's great.
• 4:35
  SPEAKER_01: That's great.
• 4:36
  SPEAKER_01: I'm learning to celebrate that.
• 4:38
  SPEAKER_01: Uh well, yours is still, and I think we chatted this a little bit because I think it was a publicist, your publicist who reached out to me and you know told me about your new book.
• 4:47
  SPEAKER_01: And I was like, Well, yes, I would love to have Dana on because to this day, I can look at podcast numbers anytime I want.
• 4:54
  SPEAKER_01: And to this day, I can go back and go, Dana's podcast, clear back.
• 4:59
  SPEAKER_01: And I think we just called it a slob comes clean, is one of the most downloaded podcasts of 230 some podcasts.
• 5:07
  SPEAKER_01: So that means a lot.
• 5:09
  SPEAKER_01: Thank you.
• 5:09
  SPEAKER_01: Thanks for telling me that.
• 5:10
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it really is.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's in one of the top five.
• 5:13
  SPEAKER_01: So I know all of that to say, I know while I am no organizing or cleaning expert, I am definitely drawn to anyone who's going to give a simple plan and who's going to help incorporate what it looks like to find some sort of rhythm that brings life to our home.
• 5:33
  SPEAKER_01: And that's so that's what we're focusing on this month is life-giving rhythms.
• 5:37
  SPEAKER_01: We traditionally start with word worship and write.
• 5:39
  SPEAKER_01: And we're also throwing in weight this week, but then we're doing this bonus episode about just defining this, you know, what does organizing look like for the rest of us?
• 5:48
  SPEAKER_01: What does it look like for us uniquely as it pertains to our Enneagram type?
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  SPEAKER_01: So I'm excited for you to share today.
• 5:55
  SPEAKER_01: Thanks.
• 5:55
  SPEAKER_01: Thanks for having me.
• 5:57
  SPEAKER_01: Tell us a little bit about, well, catch us up, really.
• 6:00
  SPEAKER_01: What's been going on in your world and your life?
• 6:02
  SPEAKER_01: And and I like to ask if we were peeking in your window, not only would we see organization, but what else would we see happening in your world?
• 6:10
  SPEAKER_00: Right now, you would see that um I don't have my Christmas decorations put all the way away.
• 6:14
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, few.
• 6:18
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, so we just moved um at the I guess it's been right at two months, actually two months ago today.
• 6:26
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, we moved in November, uh, kind of to our, you know, we hadn't been looking looking, but had our eyes open for if we ever found a place like this that we could actually do, you know.
• 6:38
  SPEAKER_00: So that's what this is.
• 6:39
  SPEAKER_00: So we kind of feel like this is our forever home, like our okay, God, what do you want to do with this place?
• 6:44
  SPEAKER_00: Kind of a home, you know, because our kids are getting older.
• 6:46
  SPEAKER_00: And um so moving and then launching a book all at the same time with the holidays.
• 6:54
  SPEAKER_00: It's a lot.
• 6:55
  SPEAKER_00: You can't avoid it.
• 6:56
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, like if those things happen, they happen, but um, yeah, it is a lot.
• 7:00
  SPEAKER_00: And so I'm like, okay, uh, I I did, I did get my ornaments off the tree, they are in their, you know, container.
• 7:09
  SPEAKER_01: Only thing that's motivating me is we're having my husband's owners of the company come over for dinner Friday night.
• 7:15
  SPEAKER_01: And I figure we should probably take down that tree.
• 7:18
  SPEAKER_01: Otherwise, I'd be tempted, besides the pine needles falling everywhere, to just leave it.
• 7:24
  SPEAKER_01: Well, we love to talk about Enneagram here, and I always preface it, especially with someone who isn't like immersed in the Enneagram, is that we are not a number, we are a child of God.
• 7:36
  SPEAKER_01: And the Enneagram just simply gives us insight and glimpses into why we do what we do, what are some of the mindsets that we have, what are the roadblocks, mental roadblocks, and and what's even, you know, some of the things that we have to overcome because our natural wiring.
• 7:54
  SPEAKER_01: And so we're definitely going to be tackling organization for types and some of the things that we have to work through because that's really invaluable.
• 8:02
  SPEAKER_01: But for you, give us a little understanding or what you know of yourself so far in your Enneagram journey.
• 8:09
  SPEAKER_00: So um I don't know much, but I do know my number and I do know a little bit enough to make me think, okay, I think that really is my number, you know, because I've heard people sometimes will take a test and then they're not, you know, maybe that's not their actual number.
• 8:25
  SPEAKER_00: So my story is just that I was on a road trip with a friend.
• 8:28
  SPEAKER_00: I'd been hearing about Enneagrams a lot on podcasts, you know, people who just kind of casually mentioned.
• 8:34
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 8:34
  SPEAKER_00: And um, I was on a road trip and the friend that I was with is really into Enneagram.
• 8:40
  SPEAKER_00: And so she was like, we're gonna take a test.
• 8:42
  SPEAKER_00: So I was driving, and so she looked up a test that she liked and um made me answer all the questions.
• 8:48
  SPEAKER_00: And so I came back as a five.
• 8:51
  SPEAKER_00: I was like, Oh, okay, you know, like whatever.
• 8:54
  SPEAKER_00: And she was like, she's like, that's that's kind of huh.
• 8:57
  SPEAKER_00: I I don't know.
• 8:58
  SPEAKER_00: She said, I don't really know any other women that are fives.
• 9:02
  SPEAKER_00: And I was like, huh.
• 9:04
  SPEAKER_00: Well, you know, one of the things I've always said, and I I this is just me thinking, not knowing anything.
• 9:09
  SPEAKER_00: You can go, Dana, you're so wrong on Ennegram.
• 9:12
  SPEAKER_00: But anyway, but you know, one of the things that I've always said about this cleaning struggle that I have is sometimes I'm like, I feel like if I was a man, it would just be being a man, you know?
• 9:24
  SPEAKER_00: And yet as a woman, it's like, okay, women are not supposed to have this struggle the way that I have, you know, we do, and lots of us do, and that's what I've learned over the years.
• 9:34
  SPEAKER_00: But back in the day where I thought I was the only one, it was always kind of like, oh my goodness, you know, like why when people complain about their husbands, my thoughts inside my head, and now that I talk about this stuff on the internet, you know, out loud, it's like the things you're complaining about, that's the stuff I do.
• 9:51
  SPEAKER_00: Like, you know, randomly dropping things right next to where they're supposed to go.
• 9:55
  SPEAKER_00: Like that's my natural tendencies.
• 9:57
  SPEAKER_00: So anyway, so I I didn't know, you know, I was like, huh, I know people get mistyped or whatever.
• 10:02
  SPEAKER_00: But then she started reading the description.
• 10:04
  SPEAKER_00: And my reaction was, no, those are like all the things that I work really hard to not do.
• 10:12
  SPEAKER_00: And then later, the more that I've heard, I'm like, oh, okay, maybe that's actually an indication.
• 10:16
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and then I know I listened to Annie F.
• 10:20
  SPEAKER_00: Downs does an Enneagram summer where she'll have different guests on and stuff.
• 10:24
  SPEAKER_00: And so I've listened to that maybe two different summers when she interviewed the fives.
• 10:29
  SPEAKER_00: And I remember specifically one of them being like, why is she acting like this is interesting?
• 10:34
  SPEAKER_00: This is just how it is.
• 10:36
  SPEAKER_00: Like, I and then it hit me.
• 10:37
  SPEAKER_00: I was like, oh, maybe that's because this is how I think.
• 10:39
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know.
• 10:40
  SPEAKER_00: But you know, because what they were saying, I was like, Yeah, doesn't everyone think that way?
• 10:45
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, exactly.
• 10:45
  SPEAKER_00: Anyway, so so I don't know.
• 10:47
  SPEAKER_00: So you can go ahead and tell me.
• 10:49
  SPEAKER_01: I love it.
• 10:50
  SPEAKER_01: I love it.
• 10:51
  SPEAKER_01: Well, and when people take the quiz or my more in-depth testing, answer the questions as your 18-year-old self.
• 10:59
  SPEAKER_01: Because and it's hard because some people really push back, but I'm so different and I've I have worked hard to be different.
• 11:07
  SPEAKER_01: And yes, and that's why the Enneagram is so telling, is because it's talking about motivations, not what you do, it's why you do what you do and ultimately why you approach things.
• 11:19
  SPEAKER_01: So for a five to give a little insight to our friends, because it is harder to find fives.
• 11:25
  SPEAKER_01: One who are willing to identify as a five.
• 11:29
  SPEAKER_00: Well, that was my thing.
• 11:30
  SPEAKER_00: I'd always avoided it because I was like, I don't want a number.
• 11:32
  SPEAKER_01: Don't give me a number.
• 11:35
  SPEAKER_01: And and fives naturally push back, especially if it's popular or kind of the status quo and the thing to do.
• 11:44
  SPEAKER_01: There's a little bit, not cynicism, that's kind of a harsher word, but the their curiosity is more of the critiquing nature and going, is this real?
• 11:54
  SPEAKER_01: Is this based on on science and fact?
• 11:57
  SPEAKER_01: And is it, you know, could you know why are people, why is it so popular?
• 12:01
  SPEAKER_01: If it's popular, I probably don't want a whole lot to do with it.
• 12:05
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, maybe familiar.
• 12:08
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 12:09
  SPEAKER_01: Because I do kind of the same idea where we've we've done our Enneagram in the summer, or I have um moms and business women to come in and share what life looks like from their experience, just so that way other people can get that glimpse, right?
• 12:22
  SPEAKER_01: But it's hard to find fives.
• 12:24
  SPEAKER_01: It's hard to find fives online.
• 12:26
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, they're not necessarily putting themselves out there because their natural instinct is to keep it in their brain.
• 12:33
  SPEAKER_01: They're very cerebral, they think things to death and want to continue to acquire knowledge before they put anything out there.
• 12:42
  SPEAKER_01: And so that's why I think it's really fascinating because for you, you really started putting things out there before you had it all figured out.
• 12:51
  SPEAKER_00: And that was the exact opposite of what I wanted to do.
• 12:55
  SPEAKER_00: So, my story, which I probably shared when I was on before, but my story is that I wanted to be a writer, but my house was a disaster.
• 13:04
  SPEAKER_00: It was keeping me from taking on this creative pursuit.
• 13:07
  SPEAKER_00: And so this was my compromise with God.
• 13:10
  SPEAKER_00: This was my, okay, honestly, God gave me the idea.
• 13:14
  SPEAKER_00: You know, it was one of those things where I would never have written about this thing.
• 13:18
  SPEAKER_01: Truly because literal epiphany.
• 13:20
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, would literally never ever have chosen.
• 13:23
  SPEAKER_00: This would be the one thing I would never have written about, you know, like you had to tell me.
• 13:27
  SPEAKER_00: So that was that was my compromise I was like, I will write about this so I can learn about blogging.
• 13:35
  SPEAKER_00: But at the time I made up a fake name, I didn't tell anybody what I was doing.
• 13:40
  SPEAKER_00: And so, because of that, because it was, you know, a fake persona, even though I was being me and I, but I wasn't using my real name, nobody knew about it.
• 13:51
  SPEAKER_00: Then I was freed to just be like, okay, I'm just gonna be completely honest here because it's not me, nobody's ever gonna know about this.
• 13:56
  SPEAKER_00: I'm gonna figure out the house stuff, and then I'll start writing about the stuff that I feel competent to write about.
• 14:01
  SPEAKER_00: And spiritually, God, this was his plan all along.
• 14:06
  SPEAKER_00: And part of his plan was that I didn't feel competent at it.
• 14:11
  SPEAKER_00: Like that was that's part of it.
• 14:12
  SPEAKER_00: Like I needed to be coming from this perspective, and and I now know other people needed to have someone come from the perspective of this is just mind-boggling to me when I feel competent in a lot of other things.
• 14:27
  SPEAKER_00: I can figure things out, I can do the research, like you, you know, we're talking about.
• 14:31
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, like that's me.
• 14:32
  SPEAKER_00: I figure it all out before I take action.
• 14:35
  SPEAKER_00: Well, I was trying to do that with my house, and that was actually the problem is I was thinking, thinking, thinking about how things should go, would go, and yet I wasn't actually doing it.
• 14:46
  SPEAKER_00: And so I was wrong.
• 14:47
  SPEAKER_00: It didn't play out the way I'd assumed it would.
• 14:49
  SPEAKER_01: Wow, that's profound, Dana.
• 14:51
  SPEAKER_01: For four, fives, and nines.
• 14:53
  SPEAKER_01: I talk about repression centers, and you can boil it down to like three different groupings, and it's each unique to the types.
• 15:02
  SPEAKER_01: But for the five, four, fives, and nines, it's considered they're considered doing repressed.
• 15:08
  SPEAKER_01: And when you first hear that, it feels kind of insulting and rude.
• 15:11
  SPEAKER_01: Like, what do you mean?
• 15:12
  SPEAKER_01: I'm lazy, I'm the opposite.
• 15:14
  SPEAKER_01: But for the fives in particular, their insatiable appetite for knowledge and planning leads them to continue to ruminate and think through and acquire and plan again, but then it feels like, oh, there might be gaps.
• 15:28
  SPEAKER_01: And so they acquire some more and they make another plan, but then they don't actually work the plan.
• 15:34
  SPEAKER_01: And so it's learning for a five with the power of the Holy Spirit, I might add, because it's we left to ourselves, we cannot do it on our own.
• 15:42
  SPEAKER_01: And you just talked about that profound God moment, which for time, I'll have our friends go back and listen to that other episode.
• 15:48
  SPEAKER_01: I'll put it in the show notes because it's so good.
• 15:50
  SPEAKER_01: Your story is is really meaningful because it's so honest and vulnerable.
• 15:54
  SPEAKER_01: But you finally took the step of doing before you felt ready.
• 16:00
  SPEAKER_01: And that's when the Holy Spirit, I think, meets us.
• 16:02
  SPEAKER_01: So any of those who've felt that struggle and they feel like they have to, you know, plan a little bit more or imagine a little bit more or get up the inertia, we take that step, the Lord meets us.
• 16:15
  SPEAKER_00: Exactly.
• 16:16
  SPEAKER_00: I always thought that the thing he was going to show me was going to uh make it all make sense immediately.
• 16:24
  SPEAKER_00: Like he was going to give me a verse or give me a you know, a verse, really, you know, that would be like, oh, okay, now I get it.
• 16:31
  SPEAKER_00: Now it's not hard anymore.
• 16:32
  SPEAKER_00: And instead, what he showed me is the value in feeling inept, the value in understanding my inability to be perfect, my inability to figure it out ahead of time.
• 16:49
  SPEAKER_00: And instead, he, you know, the clean house, he was never asking me to have a perfect house.
• 16:56
  SPEAKER_00: I was not a failure in his eyes because of my house.
• 16:59
  SPEAKER_00: What he wanted was for me to say, even the part of me that I cannot imagine that you would want.
• 17:09
  SPEAKER_00: Like, why would God want this and all my issues, my cleaning specific thing that I felt made me feel like a failure?
• 17:15
  SPEAKER_00: And he's like, that's exactly what I want.
• 17:17
  SPEAKER_00: That is the thing that I want you to give me.
• 17:19
  SPEAKER_00: That's the spiritual part of the journey, is not this big, oh, I get it now.
• 17:23
  SPEAKER_00: Now my house is perfect.
• 17:24
  SPEAKER_00: Instead, it's oh, okay, now I get that God made me this way.
• 17:28
  SPEAKER_00: He loves me this way, and I don't have to feel like a failure because other traditional organizing advice, you know, he made them very organized.
• 17:36
  SPEAKER_00: So they like to talk about it.
• 17:38
  SPEAKER_00: But the people like me don't like to talk about it.
• 17:40
  SPEAKER_00: And so that's instead, I just had to figure out ways to work with the way that God made me.
• 17:47
  SPEAKER_00: And that ultimately brought about what I was wanting, which was a house that was under control, as opposed to all the times where I was fighting against how God had made me.
• 17:56
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 17:57
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, boom, drop the mic.
• 17:59
  SPEAKER_01: That is the powerful thing about understanding your personality.
• 18:03
  SPEAKER_01: It's not berating ourselves of why, why am I not like this person?
• 18:08
  SPEAKER_01: Why didn't you make, you know, what's wrong with me that I can't figure it out?
• 18:11
  SPEAKER_01: Instead of that's where the Enneagram has helped me and helped me help so many other women go, oh, he made me this way.
• 18:20
  SPEAKER_01: And that's why I approach business, that's why I approach raising my kids, that's why I approach my home, all the different things that way.
• 18:27
  SPEAKER_01: And instead of shaming it or try to force ourselves into someone else's how it works for them, we get to explore how it might work for us.
• 18:36
  SPEAKER_01: And right, that's that's beautiful.
• 18:38
  SPEAKER_01: And you touched on one other thing, too, that I I I think is worth pointing out, but it's a powerful tool that leads us to humility of going, oh, I can't do it.
• 18:48
  SPEAKER_01: Dang it, Lord, here it is.
• 18:51
  SPEAKER_01: It's good.
• 18:52
  SPEAKER_01: Exactly.
• 18:53
  SPEAKER_01: I want to know real quick before we move on from the Enneagram, because this is always the clincher, I feel like, for most people.
• 19:02
  SPEAKER_01: It takes a little bit to get there, especially for a five who is traditionally more stable and not as in connected to their feelings or emotions.
• 19:11
  SPEAKER_01: So when you hear that the message the heart longs to hear for a five is that their needs are not a problem, how does that land and how does that fit in your story?
• 19:22
  SPEAKER_00: That's a good question.
• 19:23
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know.
• 19:23
  SPEAKER_00: I haven't thought about that necessarily.
• 19:25
  SPEAKER_00: I I think when you talk about the not connecting with my emotions, so my whole decluttering process removes emotions from the process, which I now know fascinating.
• 19:37
  SPEAKER_00: It's kind of my strong suit, but I always felt like I needed power.
• 19:41
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 19:41
  SPEAKER_00: But I felt like I needed to remove emotions from the process because I felt all the attachment and I felt all the emotion towards stuff.
• 19:51
  SPEAKER_00: But I think that feeling of emotion and attachment, it would overwhelm me and make me just say, okay, then I can't.
• 19:58
  SPEAKER_00: I know this isn't rational how I'm feeling toward this thing.
• 20:02
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 20:02
  SPEAKER_00: And so it would just stop me in my tracks.
• 20:05
  SPEAKER_00: And so I had to find ways to break through that, which is how I came up with my decluttering process that is designed to all be fact-based.
• 20:14
  SPEAKER_00: Everything is just ask the questions and they're all fact-based questions.
• 20:18
  SPEAKER_00: There's nothing to analyze, there's nothing to think.
• 20:19
  SPEAKER_00: Because if I let myself analyze, I will go on and on and on and on.
• 20:23
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 20:23
  SPEAKER_00: And never get anything done.
• 20:25
  SPEAKER_00: So I have to like break that with my fact-based non-emotional process.
• 20:30
  SPEAKER_01: Does that answer your question at all?
• 20:32
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know.
• 20:32
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, that's so cool.
• 20:34
  SPEAKER_01: No, I love it.
• 20:34
  SPEAKER_01: I I love how that shines through and it reminds me why, probably why I've been so drawn to your process and your content, because as a seven, my growth line is to a five.
• 20:47
  SPEAKER_01: And so I have learned that I need to surround myself with more fives and I need to take time to learn how to fives do it, not because I need to be like them, but because they help me develop that growth that I'm looking for.
• 21:00
  SPEAKER_01: And so I think it's so fun that how in an unraveling, you didn't know that was your superpower strength when you started in any of this.
• 21:08
  SPEAKER_01: And yet looking back, you can see how those have shined through your work and why it can help so many people.
• 21:15
  SPEAKER_01: Because there's plenty of the rest of us who are really emotional or where feelings on our sleeves on all the different things.
• 21:22
  SPEAKER_01: And you can go about it from a it's not unhealthy detaching, but it's just acknowledging the fact that these are things.
• 21:29
  SPEAKER_01: They're not people, they're not emotions, they're not even memories, they're just things.
• 21:33
  SPEAKER_01: And so um, I know it's helped, it's it's brought a lot of people into freedom.
• 21:38
  SPEAKER_01: And um, which is, you know, why you have another book for us.
• 21:44
  SPEAKER_01: So with that being said, I would love to hear tell us a little bit about because your first one, if I have it right, is called A Slob Comes Clean.
• 21:53
  SPEAKER_00: The first one was how to the the blog was a slob comes clean.
• 21:55
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, that's right.
• 21:56
  SPEAKER_00: That's right.
• 21:56
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 21:57
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, yeah.
• 21:57
  SPEAKER_00: And the first one was how to manage your home.
• 22:00
  SPEAKER_00: Without losing your mind.
• 22:01
  SPEAKER_00: Yes.
• 22:02
  SPEAKER_00: And then there was decluttering at the speed of life.
• 22:04
  SPEAKER_00: And then this one is called Organizing for the Rest of Us.
• 22:06
  SPEAKER_00: And this is, I love somebody called it a like cliff notes version of all of my stuff.
• 22:11
  SPEAKER_00: It's like everything in one place.
• 22:13
  SPEAKER_00: It's got pictures.
• 22:14
  SPEAKER_00: It's very succinct.
• 22:16
  SPEAKER_00: The other books are the opposite of succinct.
• 22:18
  SPEAKER_00: You know, I mean, they were like story.
• 22:21
  SPEAKER_00: No, let's analyze every single thing from every single angle and answer all of your excuses where this is more, well, this is a hundred strategies.
• 22:29
  SPEAKER_00: So it's called a gift book, you know, that the publisher came to me and they're like, we think this would be valuable.
• 22:33
  SPEAKER_00: And I was like, you know, I think it would, because there's a lot of people who need help, but they're not going to read 60,000 words with no pictures about decluttering.
• 22:42
  SPEAKER_00: But this is a flip-throughable book that they can go, oh wait, yeah, this makes sense to me and get it all in one place.
• 22:48
  SPEAKER_01: So let's get to the meat of it.
• 22:50
  SPEAKER_01: Let's get to the nitty-gritty.
• 22:52
  SPEAKER_01: Help me put these words into action kind of uh manual.
• 22:56
  SPEAKER_01: I love it.
• 22:57
  SPEAKER_01: It's it's so good.
• 22:58
  SPEAKER_01: Well, I don't have my copy yet.
• 22:59
  SPEAKER_01: I can't wait.
• 23:00
  SPEAKER_01: Sorry, you don't have a copy?
• 23:01
  SPEAKER_01: When do you not yet?
• 23:03
  SPEAKER_01: I think I think our pub your publicist did promise me one, but okay.
• 23:07
  SPEAKER_01: The there's something called the holidays that you know the holidays and then what is it like?
• 23:13
  SPEAKER_00: What's that word?
• 23:14
  SPEAKER_00: The shipping thing, the supply chain and all that kind of stuff.
• 23:17
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, right.
• 23:18
  SPEAKER_01: Oh my goodness.
• 23:19
  SPEAKER_00: Anymore these days.
• 23:20
  SPEAKER_00: It's just I know.
• 23:21
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, when we need it, every once in a while it is kind of nice, like, well, COVID.
• 23:25
  SPEAKER_01: And so we just throw that out and because COVID.
• 23:29
  unknown: Yeah.
• 23:31
  SPEAKER_01: Well, tell us a little bit more as far as organizing for the rest of us.
• 23:35
  SPEAKER_01: Just for you, it's organization.
• 23:38
  SPEAKER_01: Obviously, you've equated it to some of the spiritual journey, the Lord giving you this idea and really compelling you, the Holy Spirit compelling you to share your struggle, to to help others go, oh, okay, I'm not alone in this struggle.
• 23:53
  SPEAKER_01: And so that's really powerful.
• 23:55
  SPEAKER_01: But how does how do you see that organization impacts a relationship with God, but also with others?
• 24:01
  SPEAKER_00: The main thing God has shown me is that this struggle is not a spiritual issue, but me not giving him my struggle is a spiritual issue.
• 24:11
  SPEAKER_00: Does that make sense?
• 24:12
  SPEAKER_00: Good, yes, 100%.
• 24:14
  SPEAKER_00: Because I always thought it was some, it had to have been some sort of spiritual flaw for me to struggle the way that I did in my home.
• 24:22
  SPEAKER_00: That's what I thought.
• 24:23
  SPEAKER_00: And God was like, no, no, like you're all different.
• 24:26
  SPEAKER_00: It's fine.
• 24:27
  SPEAKER_00: Not that there can't be spiritual issues, not that there can't be choices that I've made that you know I shouldn't make whatever.
• 24:35
  SPEAKER_00: But the whole like fact that you struggle with your home is not a spiritual issue.
• 24:41
  SPEAKER_00: Like that, that's not it.
• 24:42
  SPEAKER_00: And so, so understanding that has been very freeing and it frees me to work on it without having this, okay, I'm doing this out of guilt, or I'm doing this out of, okay, this is what I need to do to please God.
• 24:57
  SPEAKER_00: God's like, um, you know, Jesus already took care of that.
• 25:02
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it's like that that's not it.
• 25:04
  SPEAKER_00: And I think a lot of times when you hear people talk about perfection issues, you know, that often can get in, it can be a very spiritual problem, far as like, you know, striving for perfection when there is no such thing as that for us, Jesus has, you know, taken care of that with his holiness.
• 25:21
  SPEAKER_00: But most of the people who talk about that are talking about it from the perspective of they have been like they they can't let go.
• 25:30
  SPEAKER_00: You know what I mean?
• 25:31
  SPEAKER_00: Like they can't let go of the perfection.
• 25:33
  SPEAKER_00: And so it's having to let go.
• 25:35
  SPEAKER_00: And then when that is, those are the people who are usually willing to talk about that as far as their house.
• 25:40
  SPEAKER_00: Like, oh, I needed to, I needed to be willing to let people see my kids' toys out.
• 25:47
  SPEAKER_00: And then someone like me hears that and they're like, Okay, I so wish that was my problem.
• 25:54
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it's not.
• 25:55
  SPEAKER_00: My problem is I just don't even let anybody in the front door.
• 25:59
  SPEAKER_00: When you're coming from that perspective, it needs to be talked about.
• 26:03
  SPEAKER_00: This issue needs to be talked about, and it also getting stuff out of my house gives me the freedom to have people into my house and it helps with those relationships and things, you know.
• 26:15
  SPEAKER_00: So it's it's not a you're a failure because you have all this stuff in your house.
• 26:21
  SPEAKER_00: The issue was that I wasn't letting people in and I wasn't having those relationships with people where I can have people in my house.
• 26:29
  SPEAKER_00: It is easier for me because I have less stuff out, and yet even when it's not perfect, I still need to have them in.
• 26:37
  SPEAKER_00: So I need to let them come in and let them see that this is a legitimate struggle.
• 26:42
  SPEAKER_00: That's more where God has dealt with with me on that, as opposed to get it good so that you can then have people in.
• 26:49
  SPEAKER_00: Instead, it's go ahead and have people in and be honest about what your real struggles are because people need to hear that.
• 26:54
  SPEAKER_00: That's the thing that has really hit me over the years of doing this is like people need to know that everybody has a struggle.
• 27:02
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 27:02
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, that's good.
• 27:03
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, it points right back to the humility piece again that we touched on earlier and and being willing to let people in even in the mess, even if we don't have it figured out.
• 27:13
  SPEAKER_01: And it's it's not even about having perfect weather if it's the messy middle, like just in the thick of it and and don't even know what the next step is or haven't had the margin to put it into action for whatever reason.
• 27:26
  SPEAKER_01: That's really, really good.
• 27:28
  SPEAKER_01: I'm just so excited to get my hands on this.
• 27:31
  SPEAKER_01: But before I do, and while I wait, and while my friends wait to get their hands on this copy, I would love to hear because there's you mentioned like a hundred organizing strategies, which awesome.
• 27:43
  SPEAKER_01: Um, I hope I would love to think I could put one of those in action each day, but it'll probably take the rest of us like a year or two.
• 27:52
  SPEAKER_01: But what would you encourage us if we're just the beginning?
• 27:56
  SPEAKER_01: What's like the one or two things that we could do today or tomorrow that would help us on this path to organizing for a in a way that would be life-giving to us?
• 28:06
  SPEAKER_00: Just to be clear, the real secret to organizing is decluttering.
• 28:11
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, it just is, you know.
• 28:12
  SPEAKER_00: So that's my strong suit.
• 28:14
  SPEAKER_00: And that was the thing that I had to realize is that decluttering and organizing are not the same thing.
• 28:19
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 28:20
  SPEAKER_00: And when I was focusing on getting organized, I was not getting anything done.
• 28:24
  SPEAKER_00: When I just started decluttering, getting stuff out of my house, then my house looked better, felt better, functioned better, which is what all the things that I wanted when I thought I needed to get organized.
• 28:34
  SPEAKER_00: So the key I would say is to start in your most visible space and start on my decluttering process, which is just me breaking down the reality of what it means to get stuff out of the house, no matter how overwhelmed you are.
• 28:47
  SPEAKER_00: So start with the trash.
• 28:48
  SPEAKER_00: Just grab a black trash bag.
• 28:49
  SPEAKER_00: It needs to be black because people in your house don't see what you're putting inside of it.
• 28:52
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, this is smart.
• 28:54
  SPEAKER_00: So go to your most visible space that you see, that your family sees, that guests would see, and start decluttering in that space.
• 29:02
  SPEAKER_00: Because if you start somewhere, like a drawer somewhere in the back of the house and you spend all your time and energy there, and then your house still looks, you know, embarrassing and you don't want to let anybody inside, then all that energy you spent is just wasted because it's not going to renew itself because you're still feeling like, oh, my house is not any better.
• 29:22
  SPEAKER_00: And I spent all that time.
• 29:23
  SPEAKER_00: What was the point?
• 29:24
  SPEAKER_00: But if you start in a visible space, you're going to see your progress, your family's going to see your progress, and it's going to perpetuate that decluttering energy and make you want to declutter again sooner.
• 29:36
  SPEAKER_00: So grab a black trash bag, start looking for trash.
• 29:38
  SPEAKER_00: No matter how overwhelmed you are in a space, look for trash, even if you think there won't be any, because what it'll do is it gets you moving, it improves the space immediately, and it helps you start to look at the individual items.
• 29:52
  SPEAKER_00: And so your brain starts to see it as individual items as instead of an overall overwhelming, you know, mass of stuff that you have to deal with.
• 30:01
  SPEAKER_00: Because when it's just a mass of stuff, then that's why your brain is like, I don't, I don't want to do this.
• 30:05
  SPEAKER_00: I can't do this.
• 30:06
  SPEAKER_01: I can't do this.
• 30:06
  SPEAKER_01: I can't do this.
• 30:08
  SPEAKER_01: So and powerful.
• 30:09
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, that's awesome.
• 30:10
  SPEAKER_00: Move through the steps.
• 30:12
  SPEAKER_00: The next step of the five-step process is the easy step.
• 30:14
  SPEAKER_00: Like anything that has an established home, get it out and go take it there right now.
• 30:19
  SPEAKER_00: Every time you do that, this space is a little bit better than it was before.
• 30:23
  SPEAKER_00: So your focus is better.
• 30:25
  SPEAKER_00: Your focus is not, I'm gonna have this done by such and such time.
• 30:29
  SPEAKER_00: Instead, I'm gonna make this space better.
• 30:30
  SPEAKER_00: So my process is all based on progress and only progress, never making a bigger mess.
• 30:36
  SPEAKER_00: So every item that comes out, you deal with that item immediately instead of making piles or sticking in a box to go deliver it around the house or whatever.
• 30:45
  SPEAKER_00: Because that those piles and boxes are just a bigger mess.
• 30:48
  SPEAKER_00: You have to redecide again later as you actually deal with the item.
• 30:52
  SPEAKER_00: Just going through that process and knowing that if I do it this way, whether I have five minutes or five hours or five days, I'm only gonna make progress.
• 31:00
  SPEAKER_00: And so I might as well take two minutes to throw away trash.
• 31:04
  SPEAKER_00: And when you start to shift your mind that way, your home is gonna really change.
• 31:08
  SPEAKER_00: It's gonna look start to look better, especially if you're dealing in visible spaces first.
• 31:12
  SPEAKER_01: Wow.
• 31:12
  SPEAKER_01: Nina, that is so good.
• 31:15
  SPEAKER_01: I love that advice.
• 31:16
  SPEAKER_01: It's really good wisdom.
• 31:18
  SPEAKER_01: And give me a quick tip for me as an Enneagram 7 who gets distracted very easily.
• 31:24
  SPEAKER_01: Cause my problem is I go to that space and put it away because I've remembered this over the years.
• 31:28
  SPEAKER_01: This is what I do.
• 31:29
  SPEAKER_01: I get distracted by that space and the things that it needs.
• 31:32
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 31:33
  SPEAKER_00: Help me go back to the room I started in.
• 31:35
  SPEAKER_00: So in the room where you started, you're gonna have your black trash bag and your donatable donate box.
• 31:39
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 31:40
  SPEAKER_00: It's donatable so that you don't ever have to go back through it again.
• 31:42
  SPEAKER_00: So that makes everything that goes in it a final decision, right?
• 31:45
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 31:46
  SPEAKER_00: So when you take something to the place where you would look for it first, and that space is its own mess.
• 31:52
  SPEAKER_00: Uh-huh.
• 31:53
  SPEAKER_00: Yep.
• 31:53
  SPEAKER_00: Your goal is to not make it any worse.
• 31:56
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, because we want to make real actual progress in our home.
• 31:59
  SPEAKER_00: So we're gonna not make it any worse by adding this thing to it.
• 32:03
  SPEAKER_00: Instead, I'm gonna say, okay, this space is a mess.
• 32:05
  SPEAKER_00: It's gonna be a decluttering project.
• 32:07
  SPEAKER_00: What in here is either trash or declutter, which is the third step of like, let me just remove anything that I don't have to think about, it just needs to be donated.
• 32:18
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 32:19
  SPEAKER_00: So remove something that's trash or declutter that creates the space for this item that I'm putting there.
• 32:25
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 32:26
  SPEAKER_00: So that the space is no worse off than it was before.
• 32:30
  SPEAKER_00: But I've taken out something that's trash and my donation box and my black trash bag are back at the space where I was decluttering when I started.
• 32:38
  SPEAKER_00: And so I'm gonna take those things back there to put in those two things and I'm back at the space where I was working.
• 32:43
  SPEAKER_01: Boom.
• 32:44
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, I can do this.
• 32:46
  SPEAKER_00: And if you will if you'll do that, you'll be making actual real progress instead of just stuff shifting, meaning like I'm gonna take it from this space and go throw it in that space.
• 32:57
  SPEAKER_00: Uh-huh.
• 32:57
  SPEAKER_00: And even though that space is still a pile, yeah, it's not a pile, but like, you know, it's in a in a real place, but it's it's a massive stuff there too.
• 33:07
  SPEAKER_00: It's not worse because I removed something to make the space for this item.
• 33:11
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, that's really good.
• 33:13
  SPEAKER_01: Super helpful and and practical.
• 33:15
  SPEAKER_01: And I love it because I love I I my mom is an Enneagram one.
• 33:20
  SPEAKER_01: And so she did organizing like a boss, and she did the decluttering really, really well.
• 33:25
  SPEAKER_01: And I always I used to beat myself up really until we had that our conversation all those years ago like, why can't I figure it out?
• 33:31
  SPEAKER_01: Why don't I have that?
• 33:33
  SPEAKER_01: And I can I can see it in my stress times all of a sudden.
• 33:36
  SPEAKER_01: It's more like all of a sudden I see all the things that need to be decluttered, and then I'm like, oh my gosh, overwhelmed.
• 33:42
  SPEAKER_01: But I like this because I get distracted easily and I, you know, I'm prone to the like, oh, if she could do it, why can't I do it?
• 33:49
  SPEAKER_01: This is so good.
• 33:50
  SPEAKER_01: That's very actionable.
• 33:51
  SPEAKER_01: And I bet a lot of my friends are appreciating this bit of wisdom today.
• 33:55
  SPEAKER_01: So thank you.
• 33:56
  SPEAKER_01: Thank you for helping me.
• 33:57
  SPEAKER_01: I can't wait to put into action.
• 33:58
  SPEAKER_01: I'm ready to get my black trash bag now.
• 34:00
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, well, in that way too, it guarantees progress.
• 34:03
  SPEAKER_00: Like because you're never putting yourself in a worse situation where you have a bunch of piles outside the space where you were originally decluttering.
• 34:11
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, so good.
• 34:12
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 34:12
  SPEAKER_01: Well, before we let you go, I did have three rapid fire questions because we're still in this beginning of the year.
• 34:18
  SPEAKER_01: And so I'm just having fun asking what is the new habit or rhythm?
• 34:23
  SPEAKER_01: I like to call it the word worship right rhythm.
• 34:26
  SPEAKER_01: What are you trying out this year?
• 34:29
  SPEAKER_00: So we have a little bit of land now.
• 34:32
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 34:33
  SPEAKER_00: Um, I know.
• 34:34
  SPEAKER_00: So I'm not doing this well, but my goal, and I've done it a couple of times, is to walk the land and use that for my exercise.
• 34:45
  SPEAKER_00: Um, so in Texas, we have mesquite trees, which you do not want um, because they're like they're like a weed that turns into a tree, basically.
• 34:53
  SPEAKER_00: Uh bummer.
• 34:54
  SPEAKER_00: And I know I have a lovely shovel that I love so much.
• 34:59
  SPEAKER_00: And so I'm like, all I need to do is go dig up one teeny tiny mesquite tree a day.
• 35:05
  SPEAKER_00: Like, yeah, if I will just do that.
• 35:08
  SPEAKER_00: But anyway, I'm still yeah, you're working on that.
• 35:11
  SPEAKER_01: I'm working on it.
• 35:12
  SPEAKER_01: So I'm gonna have to ask my husband.
• 35:13
  SPEAKER_01: He's an arborist, and so he definitely has those trees that are weeds in his mind.
• 35:18
  SPEAKER_01: And so I will have to ask him.
• 35:20
  SPEAKER_01: What do you know about the mesquite tree?
• 35:23
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, that's awesome.
• 35:24
  SPEAKER_01: Well, I will be I will be rooting for you to get out just one a day.
• 35:28
  SPEAKER_01: Girl, you got this.
• 35:30
  SPEAKER_01: One a day.
• 35:30
  SPEAKER_00: Go on a walk and dig up a mesquite tree.
• 35:32
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah, it's so good.
• 35:34
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, how about worship music?
• 35:35
  SPEAKER_01: Is there a song that you've had on repeat either, you know, maybe the last two years or is new for you right now?
• 35:41
  SPEAKER_00: You know, you asked this question in your thing ahead of time, and I was like, okay, I listen to podcasts all the time, but I do sing songs in my head all the time, probably out loud as well.
• 35:50
  SPEAKER_00: But anyway, um, the song that this week has been, and I'm sure it has to do with a book launch and all of that, but it's the um God, I look to you.
• 35:58
  SPEAKER_00: I won't be overwhelmed because I feel very overwhelmed right now.
• 36:03
  SPEAKER_00: So um just and that's one of my favorite songs of all time, anyways.
• 36:07
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, and so many have done that one.
• 36:09
  SPEAKER_01: That's a good one.
• 36:09
  SPEAKER_01: I'll put link in the show notes because the lyrics are popping in my mind.
• 36:13
  SPEAKER_01: I'm tempted to sing it, but I won't hurt our friends.
• 36:16
  SPEAKER_01: No, I have the same temptation, but I won't do that to you.
• 36:18
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 36:20
  SPEAKER_01: All right.
• 36:20
  SPEAKER_01: And last, do you have a word or scripture already as you're looking ahead to this year?
• 36:25
  SPEAKER_00: You know, I don't most years, but this year I do.
• 36:28
  SPEAKER_00: So I kind of just if it comes to me, I'll I'll have it.
• 36:31
  SPEAKER_00: And if not, I'm not gonna worry about it.
• 36:33
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and for this year, I've the word that's just been coming to me is open.
• 36:37
  SPEAKER_00: Open.
• 36:38
  SPEAKER_00: Um, we're in a home now that we want to use.
• 36:41
  SPEAKER_00: Like that's been our prayer is we're like, God, just do whatever you want to do with this house.
• 36:45
  SPEAKER_00: And so we were able to have some people over on New Year's Eve.
• 36:48
  SPEAKER_00: It was actually really warm in Texas, and so we were able to do it out outside, you know, because we have the space and with the way things are right now.
• 36:58
  SPEAKER_00: And it was like, are we seriously doing, you know, the year before we didn't have anything?
• 37:01
  SPEAKER_00: And then um, I was like, no, God made it possible for us to, you know, do that all outside, keep windows open and doors open.
• 37:08
  SPEAKER_00: And um, and it was just lovely, you know, it was like, okay, that this is this is yours, God, and and whatever you want us to do, we're open, we're open to that.
• 37:18
  SPEAKER_01: That's beautiful.
• 37:19
  SPEAKER_01: Thank you for sharing with us.
• 37:20
  SPEAKER_01: And yeah, I encourage our friends, some years you may not get in.
• 37:23
  SPEAKER_01: That's okay.
• 37:24
  SPEAKER_01: There's nothing wrong, but you know, when the Lord drops into your lap, run with it.
• 37:28
  SPEAKER_01: Ask him what he has there.
• 37:30
  SPEAKER_01: That's so good.
• 37:31
  SPEAKER_01: Dana, thank you so much for coming on.
• 37:33
  SPEAKER_01: And I know it's I know it's book launch season is overwhelming and a lot, but you're doing great.
• 37:38
  SPEAKER_01: I'm excited for you, and thank you for taking the time to share with us today.
• 37:42
  SPEAKER_00: Well, thanks for having me on.
• 37:43
  SPEAKER_00: This has been really fun.
• 37:45
  SPEAKER_01: Wasn't that such a fun and practical conversation?
• 37:49
  SPEAKER_01: I love these simple organization tips that Dana is so good at teaching.
• 37:55
  SPEAKER_01: I would love it if you would direct message me on Instagram and let me know what tip from Dana you plan to implement in your own life and your home.
• 38:02
  SPEAKER_01: And I'd also love to hear from you if there are any other guests that you would love for me to bring back on the show, just as I did with Dana.
• 38:09
  SPEAKER_01: And here's your weekly reminder.
• 38:11
  SPEAKER_01: Mama, your kids are so blessed to have you as their mom.
• 38:14
  SPEAKER_01: God knew what he was doing when he made you their mom.
• 38:17
  SPEAKER_01: And he did it with many good reasons in mind.
• 38:19
  SPEAKER_01: Don't you ever forget that.
• 38:21
  SPEAKER_01: I pray you have encouraging week friends, that you see and feel the evidence of the Lord's love all around you.
• 38:27
  SPEAKER_01: So until next time, continue to pursue God's perspective, purpose, and plans for your 2022.