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Mitch McConnell Missed 60 Senate Votes. Then He Came Back in a Wheelchair | 9/15/26 · Pat Gray Unleashed

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  Speaker 1: Pat Gray is here on the Blaze Radio Network.
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  Speaker 2: Our long national nightmare is over. America no longer held
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  Speaker 2: hostage by Mitch McConnell. He showed himself yesterday. Actually showed up.
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  Speaker 2: They said he was coming, and he did.
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  Speaker 3: And he did.
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  Speaker 4: Boy, there was drama all afternoon, however, leading up to that.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: It was not clear that that was what was going
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  Speaker 4: to happen.
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  Speaker 2: Our friend reporter Desiree Townsend was there 52 minutes before
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  Speaker 2: the Senate convened.
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  Speaker 3: And here's what she recorded.
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  Speaker 2: His driver showed up.
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  Speaker 6: Coming back to the Senate today is are you going
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  Speaker 6: to bring him into the Senate to vote at 530?
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  Speaker 6: Are the flowers for Senator.
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  Speaker 7: McConnell, sir?
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  Speaker 2: Change that garage code. Philippe, can you give us any information?
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  Speaker 4: Come on, Philippe.
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  Speaker 8: Why would you go under like that?
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  Speaker 2: It's almost 3 o'clock.
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  Speaker 6: The Senate convenes soon. Will we see Senator McConnell on
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  Speaker 6: the floor? Thank you, Philippe.
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  Speaker 2: Bye, Philippe. Good talk.
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  Speaker 8: I never understood why you ducked down to go underneath
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  Speaker 8: the grass.
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  Speaker 2: Because you're in a hurry. You want to get away
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  Speaker 2: from her.
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  Speaker 8: Yeah, but it's going up. Takes us another step.
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  Speaker 2: He's in a hurry. It is completely lazy. Can't wait
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  Speaker 2: for it to get above his head. He's got to
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  Speaker 2: duck down.
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  Speaker 4: Flowers need water immediately. Yeah, you don't want those things
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  Speaker 4: to die. So you don't want those flowers to die.
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  Speaker 3: No, you don't want that.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know if they changed the garage code, but
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  Speaker 2: it was visible there. Oh, boy. Okay.
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  Speaker 9: Oh, yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Twitter took down that video because of.
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  Speaker 3: Because of that?
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  Speaker 4: Because of the code.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 8: Oh, shut up.
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  Speaker 4: So we'll have to cut the code out.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, well, they'll have to change that code. Hopefully they've
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  Speaker 2: done that already. I don't think Mitch can.
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  Speaker 8: Reach it from the wheelchair.
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  Speaker 2: No, I don't think he can.
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  Speaker 4: Felipe can. Yeah, you don't want to miss that.
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  Speaker 2: Why is it that nobody will say anything? Like, no comment.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, something.
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  Speaker 5: Right.
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  Speaker 2: Sorry.
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  Speaker 4: People of that generation don't.
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  Speaker 2: Like to talk about it.
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  Speaker 4: Wait, the Philippe generation?
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  Speaker 8: What are you under?
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  Speaker 4: So we talked about this yesterday after the show.
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  Speaker 8: We did.
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  Speaker 4: Okay, so 30 minutes after that arrival from Philippe, That's
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  Speaker 4: when there was another visitor and we were starting to think, oh, oh, oh,
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  Speaker 4: here we go.
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  Speaker 2: So watch, watch, see who shows up here.
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  Speaker 4: Are you coming in for Mitch McConnell?
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  Speaker 6: Why does Mitch McConnell need health care?
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  Speaker 8: Shouldn't he be on the Senate floor?
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  Speaker 4: Shouldn't he be coming to the Senate floor?
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  Speaker 2: So the nurse shows up. Unbelievable.
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  Speaker 4: So now we don't know what's in her backpack. People
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  Speaker 4: are like, OK, we're definitely not going to see Mitch today. And, uh,
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  Speaker 4: cause the nurse showed up there when we're about to
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  Speaker 4: gavel in the Senate.
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  Speaker 9: Yep.
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  Speaker 2: That was 22 minutes before the Senate gaveled in.
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  Speaker 8: Yeah. Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: And then that, I guess Thune started the roll call
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  Speaker 4: and then stopped it or something. And so it wasn't
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  Speaker 4: until a couple hours later, we.
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  Speaker 8: Actually saw the turtle. So he showed up later.
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  Speaker 10: Clip three.
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  Speaker 3: Clip three.
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  Speaker 4: Here he comes emerging.
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  Speaker 11: Oh.
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  Speaker 12: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Oh.
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  Speaker 8: Ta-da!
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  Speaker 2: He's alive.
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  Speaker 10: Maybe.
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  Speaker 2: First glimpse of life. Don't know where the audio is.
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  Speaker 2: First proof of life. But people are yelling. I don't
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  Speaker 2: know where the audio is for Desiree.
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  Speaker 10: Mitch, Mitch!
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  Speaker 4: How do you feel today?
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  Speaker 2: Because she's saying, can you give us a thumbs up?
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  Speaker 8: What are you doing?
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  Speaker 4: Where are you going?
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  Speaker 13: Yeah.
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  Speaker 8: There's some serious security there for Mitch McConnell. I'll tell
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  Speaker 8: you that.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a lot. It's a lot.
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  Speaker 4: Interesting.
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  Speaker 8: Serious security.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 8: Desiree shoots around here to the other side of the car. Yeah,
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  Speaker 8: this is the video. And this is where she hollers,
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  Speaker 8: give us a thumbs up.
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  Speaker 10: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: And he won't.
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  Speaker 8: He didn't. He didn't there.
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  Speaker 4: He's ready for his happy meal. It was tough to
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  Speaker 4: see there. But as she's coming around, you actually did
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  Speaker 4: see him do a thumbs up to TMZ. So he
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  Speaker 4: actually raised his.
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  Speaker 2: Hand a little bit there for a nanosecond. How about that?
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  Speaker 2: You're going to have to trust me on this one.
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  Speaker 4: When they're rolling him backwards.
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  Speaker 2: And look at this.
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  Speaker 4: This is about as awkward as the garage door coming up.
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  Speaker 8: Yeah, they got to wait for the car.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, this is the longest moving door ever.
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  Speaker 8: All right, and we're closed. All right, let's get out
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  Speaker 8: of here. All right.
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  Speaker 3: There we go. And they're off.
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  Speaker 8: And then he rolled into the Senate.
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  Speaker 3: And they're off.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, we do have pictures.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I don't know if we'll get to those, but...
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  Speaker 2: We actually have how Mitch pulled this off, right? Oh, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: He shows up to work. Showed up to work. And
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  Speaker 2: here's how he proved that he's still alive.
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  Speaker 3: Okay.
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  Speaker 8: Clip four. There you go.
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  Speaker 3: Exactly.
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  Speaker 4: It's amazing what you can do with Grok these days.
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  Speaker 2: I had fun with that last night.
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  Speaker 5: That was great.
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  Speaker 8: That's probably not far off.
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  Speaker 2: No kidding, man. All right.
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  Speaker 9: Jeez.
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  Speaker 4: Uh, but leading up to the actual appearance of Mitch
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  Speaker 4: McConnell today, you know, we had some fun on the
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  Speaker 4: internet and just start putting these pictures up, Joe.
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  Speaker 2: Um, there we go.
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  Speaker 4: There, there, there's old Mitch showing up at the old Senate.
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  Speaker 8: That's just mean.
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  Speaker 4: Now, I think, I think the greatest, uh, tweet all
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  Speaker 4: day yesterday was some guy named Covey93. Uh, he, he,
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  Speaker 4: he said, uh, Mitch's team posted this picture of him
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  Speaker 4: talking with a colleague. On the floor of the Senate.
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  Speaker 2: There we go. There's proof. Mitch and Lindsey Graham. There
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  Speaker 2: they are.
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  Speaker 3: That's genius.
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  Speaker 4: What a great post that was.
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  Speaker 2: Some people didn't quite get it. They're like, is that real?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Is it real?
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  Speaker 8: Yes, that's right. Yes, it's real.
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  Speaker 4: Take a moment and let's take this through.
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  Speaker 2: No, it is not real. No? I mean, it's real,
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  Speaker 2: but it's probably from a long, you know, a while ago.
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  Speaker 2: A while back. When both men were still alive.
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  Speaker 4: Oh, yeah.
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  Speaker 8: That's the joke.
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  Speaker 2: That's the joke.
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  Speaker 8: See, now you get it?
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Because now we think one of them's alive.
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  Speaker 9: Right.
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  Speaker 8: Are we going to?
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  Speaker 2: We're not positive, though.
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  Speaker 8: Do we have to take down day 93 now? Yep. Oh,
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  Speaker 8: that's true.
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  Speaker 2: We've got to retire day 93. Day 93 did not happen.
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  Speaker 4: No, it did not.
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  Speaker 2: We ended at day 92. Look at him getting wheeled
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  Speaker 2: in there.
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  Speaker 4: There he is.
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  Speaker 8: Yay.
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  Speaker 2: So that's the actual.
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  Speaker 8: Rest in peace to the counter.
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  Speaker 4: Yep. I saw this yesterday and all I could hear
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  Speaker 4: was Jeffy saying, is.
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  Speaker 2: That even real?
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  Speaker 8: No doubt. No kidding.
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  Speaker 2: When was this?
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  Speaker 8: But they rolled, I mean, he looked the same as
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  Speaker 8: when they rolled him out of his house. Unbelievable.
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  Speaker 11: Mr.
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  Speaker 12: Sanders.
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  Speaker 2: No.
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  Speaker 4: Alive or not, coherent or not, why is this man
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  Speaker 4: in office?
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  Speaker 3: Shouldn't be, that's for sure.
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  Speaker 8: Don Tebowich, he's already late, and now we're just holding
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  Speaker 8: everything else up for this old man? Come on now.
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  Speaker 4: We could just only miss 60 roll calls.
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  Speaker 2: That's not bad. That's not bad.
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  Speaker 8: And he said, did he say it, or was it
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  Speaker 8: a written comment said by someone else that he was
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  Speaker 8: Going to try to get as many votes as he could.
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  Speaker 4: All I could find was a written comment.
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  Speaker 2: I haven't seen actual audio or video on that.
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  Speaker 8: I looked a long time.
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  Speaker 2: But I saw the quote. I saw the quote. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: his people are putting stuff out.
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  Speaker 4: So I don't know if it was even him who
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  Speaker 4: said it.
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  Speaker 3: Right.
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  Speaker 2: Because he came from the office. We don't know that
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  Speaker 2: he can speak, actually.
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  Speaker 8: No, we don't.
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  Speaker 2: 100%.
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  Speaker 4: Okay, so I'm driving in this morning. I'm listening to
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  Speaker 4: top of the hour national news. And it's this really bad,
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  Speaker 4: far off audio of Mitch McConnell saying something. Maybe he
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  Speaker 4: was saying, I'm looking forward to getting involved. It was
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  Speaker 4: so bad. I was surprised he even played it. And
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  Speaker 4: then I went looking for it this morning and I
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  Speaker 4: couldn't find it. But it was reportedly him way off
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  Speaker 4: mic saying something about how excited he is to be
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  Speaker 4: there and all this.
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  Speaker 3: I'm excited to be here. I can't wait to get
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  Speaker 3: back to work for the American people or the Kentuckians.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, wow, we found it.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, there it was.
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  Speaker 4: We found the video. Good job, Chris.
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  Speaker 8: That sounded closer to the mic than what you told us.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, a little bit better audio. I think we just
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  Speaker 2: had a better angle on it.
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  Speaker 8: Chris cleaned it up.
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  Speaker 2: He cleaned it up.
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  Speaker 8: Yeah, so.
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  Speaker 3: Sorry, we're excited about getting back to work in the Senate,
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  Speaker 3: United States Senate. Okay, so... I don't know.
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  Speaker 8: We'll see.
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  Speaker 11: Ta-da!
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  Speaker 2: We'll see what happens. But there he is! There he is! Ta-da!
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  Speaker 14: Ta-da!
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  Speaker 8: So what now? Still has rehab.
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  Speaker 2: He still has... He's still recovering. Still not 100%. They
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  Speaker 2: made sure to emphasize that.
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  Speaker 8: It's not 100%. The recovery pad has made it more
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  Speaker 8: difficult because of the polio as a child.
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  Speaker 11: Oh, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I saw that.
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  Speaker 4: I saw that.
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  Speaker 2: The lingering effects of the polio from 80 years ago.
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  Speaker 2: We got it.
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  Speaker 3: Okay.
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  Speaker 8: It's okay.
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  Speaker 2: Who else is it that uses that all the time?
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  Speaker 2: Joe Biden with the stuttering? Biden. Well, Biden and stuttering,
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  Speaker 2: but there's some other polio victim, too. Yeah, I can't remember.
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  Speaker 4: That darn polio.
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  Speaker 2: That darn polio.
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  Speaker 4: If we could just get rid of it. If we
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  Speaker 4: could just get rid of it.
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  Speaker 3: If we could just eliminate it, that'd be great.
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  Speaker 4: And then when we do, let's lock down our borders
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  Speaker 4: so we can't get any more third world diseases in here.
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  Speaker 2: That's a good idea. Nobody's going to follow up on it,
• 9:21
  Speaker 2: but it's a good idea.
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  Speaker 3: So anyway.
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  Speaker 2: We'll see. Will he show up tomorrow or today? Will
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  Speaker 2: he be there today?
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  Speaker 10: I wonder.
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  Speaker 2: That might have been the one big occurrence. Now we'll hear, well,
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  Speaker 2: he's not 100%.
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  Speaker 8: That took a lot out of him.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I bet it did.
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  Speaker 4: Wait, now you expect him to keep coming back?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'd like him to be there every day to vote.
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  Speaker 8: What the heck?
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  Speaker 2: And he said he'll, I'm going to try to be
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  Speaker 2: there as often as I can, sir.
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  Speaker 8: Yes, he did.
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  Speaker 2: So we'll see. How often will that be?
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  Speaker 3: He said, I've told the leader through that I'm going
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  Speaker 3: to be there as much as I can be, So
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  Speaker 3: I'm excited about showing up for work.
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  Speaker 8: There's no lingering effects of my polio as a child.
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  Speaker 2: Okay.
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  Speaker 8: Okay.
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  Speaker 3: You know, I've been traveling for 80 years since I
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  Speaker 3: had that disease.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, I got it.
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  Speaker 8: You had polio.
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  Speaker 2: I know, and it was serious.
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  Speaker 3: I'm sorry about that. And people with polio.
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  Speaker 8: Yes.
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  Speaker 2: It's not fun.
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  Speaker 8: It's screwed him up. No, and he has to wear
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  Speaker 8: his special shoes.
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  Speaker 14: Right.
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  Speaker 8: I got all that.
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  Speaker 9: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: But enough.
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  Speaker 4: Keep him hydrated this time.
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  Speaker 2: We don't want this happening again.
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  Speaker 15: Right.
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  Speaker 2: We don't.
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  Speaker 3: We don't. We sure don't.
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  Speaker 8: He didn't look like he was ready to hop a
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  Speaker 8: flight to Kentucky.
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  Speaker 1: No.
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  Speaker 2: And, you know, he's gone nowhere for at least three months,
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  Speaker 2: and he's done nothing. So I bet that did take
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  Speaker 2: a ton out of him yesterday.
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  Speaker 8: Heck yeah, it did.
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  Speaker 2: I bet that took everything he had. And all the
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  Speaker 2: do people helping.
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  Speaker 8: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: And he didn't have to say a word, didn't have
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  Speaker 2: to perform for people. Nope.
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  Speaker 8: He just had to sit in the chair.
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  Speaker 2: That's all he did and smile. With that weird look.
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  Speaker 8: Oh, gosh.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, what we tolerate as a nation.
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  Speaker 2: It's unbelievable.
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  Speaker 4: We are not a serious country.
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  Speaker 2: It's unbelievable. It truly is just... There's no words. Seriously,
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  Speaker 2: can't you just, I mean, noodle this out a little
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  Speaker 2: bit that at some point you're too old for this service, okay?
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  Speaker 2: We need other people in there. We've got 350 million
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  Speaker 2: of us from which to choose.
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  Speaker 4: He's a pillar of the city.
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  Speaker 3: I know. He's a pillar of something. I don't know
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  Speaker 3: exactly what.
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  Speaker 14: Wow.
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  Speaker 4: But that's... Yeah, 4.6 million people live in Kentucky.
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  Speaker 2: Pick anyone else. Somebody else. Just please. Somebody else. And
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  Speaker 2: they are about to in November.
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  Speaker 8: Yes, they are.
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  Speaker 2: So we only have a few more months to put
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  Speaker 2: up with this, but it's silly. It just shouldn't be happening.
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  Speaker 4: So are we ever going to hear him in a
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  Speaker 4: press conference?
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  Speaker 8: I don't think so.
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  Speaker 4: I doubt it. I think they're going to keep him
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  Speaker 4: as far away from the camera as possible because you
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  Speaker 4: don't want the body double to be too obvious.
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  Speaker 3: Right.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, he looks pretty frail.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, he does. Oh, really?
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  Speaker 10: Yeah.
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  Speaker 8: Yes, he did.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Because Melissa says, I want to hear him talk now.
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  Speaker 8: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I cannot find that clip that I heard.
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  Speaker 3: That's the third. I want to hear him speak as well.
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  Speaker 8: They were all coming up to him. It looked like
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  Speaker 8: when they rolled him into the Senate, saw those people
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  Speaker 8: standing around. It was more of a pretend conversation. Play
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  Speaker 8: that back. Yeah, right here where he rolls up. Does
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  Speaker 8: he actually talk to people? He waves. They shake his hand.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, he's talking.
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  Speaker 8: It looks like he's talking and waving. No, they shake
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  Speaker 8: his hand. Everybody's talking to each other.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know.
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  Speaker 8: I don't think Mitch has rolled in much of a conversation.
• 12:40
  Speaker 2: But there was a reason they told reporters, no videos.
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  Speaker 2: You can't record this.
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  Speaker 10: Why?
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  Speaker 4: What?
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  Speaker 10: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: We're American journalists.
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  Speaker 8: Thank you.
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  Speaker 2: What do you mean we can't record a U.S. senator
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  Speaker 2: coming to work?
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  Speaker 14: Shut up.
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  Speaker 2: I'm doing it.
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  Speaker 4: And people of that generation.
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  Speaker 2: They don't like it.
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  Speaker 8: They don't like to be recorded.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's true. That is true.
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  Speaker 4: They have a private life.
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  Speaker 2: And you got to respect that, right?
• 13:04
  Speaker 4: You have to respect that.
• 13:05
  Speaker 2: I don't care if he's senator.
• 13:07
  Speaker 4: Or not senator.
• 13:08
  Speaker 2: Congressman, president. You just have to respect that.
• 13:11
  Speaker 11: Yes.
• 13:12
  Speaker 3: Just leave him alone.
• 13:12
  Speaker 8: Leave him alone.
• 13:13
  Speaker 2: And that's what people mostly did.
• 13:15
  Speaker 8: They did. For three months. Yes, they did.
• 13:21
  Speaker 3: It's incredible. It's really incredible.
• 13:23
  Speaker 4: Is that a record? 92 days of a senator going MIA?
• 13:26
  Speaker 8: Oh, no.
• 13:28
  Speaker 2: Feinstein might have been around there, but everybody knew she was,
• 13:31
  Speaker 2: you know, ailing.
• 13:33
  Speaker 8: Yeah, I mean, I'll never forget them wheeling her into
• 13:35
  Speaker 8: that one vote. Yeah, right. And her due person voting. See,
• 13:38
  Speaker 8: I didn't say yes here.
• 13:40
  Speaker 2: Right. She couldn't even do that.
• 13:41
  Speaker 8: Right, right.
• 13:42
  Speaker 2: I don't know that she knew where she was.
• 13:45
  Speaker 8: I don't think she did.
• 13:46
  Speaker 2: After the caning back in 1856. You got to let
• 13:52
  Speaker 2: that go, bro.
• 13:53
  Speaker 4: Let that go.
• 13:55
  Speaker 2: That's one of the biggest events in American history. You
• 13:57
  Speaker 2: got to let that go.
• 13:58
  Speaker 4: No, you got to let that go. Charles Sumner needed
• 14:00
  Speaker 4: three and a half years to recover. Yeah, but that's
• 14:03
  Speaker 4: a little different. I mean, he was beaten within an
• 14:06
  Speaker 4: inch of his life. I think that might be the
• 14:09
  Speaker 4: record for MIA.
• 14:11
  Speaker 2: They say he never fully recovered from that.
• 14:14
  Speaker 8: I don't believe that.
• 14:15
  Speaker 3: You don't.
• 14:16
  Speaker 4: And it's amazing that he's still around today representing the
• 14:19
  Speaker 4: state of Kentucky in the Senate.
• 14:21
  Speaker 15: Right.
• 14:21
  Speaker 2: They just went by a name change is all. But
• 14:24
  Speaker 2: it's great to have him there. The guy who caned him,
• 14:27
  Speaker 2: by the way, the guy who beat him practically to death,
• 14:30
  Speaker 2: didn't do one minute in jail for that. Wasn't arrested.
• 14:35
  Speaker 2: Didn't do any time.
• 14:36
  Speaker 4: Well, maybe next time vote the right way. I was
• 14:41
  Speaker 4: trying to get the nation back in whatever he wants.
• 14:43
  Speaker 8: Whatever happens on the floor.
• 14:45
  Speaker 4: It stays on the floor.
• 14:47
  Speaker 2: Pretty sure that he was about to vote the right way.
• 14:50
  Speaker 2: I think he was opposed to slavery, right? And I
• 14:53
  Speaker 2: think that's what the disagreement was about.
• 14:55
  Speaker 4: Yes, I think it was. Like I said.
• 14:58
  Speaker 3: Ugly.
• 14:58
  Speaker 4: He needed to vote the right way.
• 15:01
  Speaker 2: That's what the guy who beat him thought.
• 15:03
  Speaker 8: Yeah, no kidding.
• 15:05
  Speaker 1: Wow.
• 15:06
  Speaker 5: All right.
• 15:07
  Speaker 2: Speaking of situations that are just incomprehensible, we still have
• 15:14
  Speaker 2: the Lindsay Clancy situation brewing. The poor guy who was
• 15:19
  Speaker 2: the holdout has just been getting raked over the coals
• 15:24
  Speaker 2: by women everywhere.
• 15:25
  Speaker 8: Yes.
• 15:26
  Speaker 2: And some men. I mean, a lot of people just think,
• 15:30
  Speaker 2: let her go home.
• 15:32
  Speaker 8: She's fine. I'll report that she was a wonderful mother.
• 15:35
  Speaker 2: She didn't mean to.
• 15:37
  Speaker 8: So, I don't know. Do you get postpartum depression?
• 15:41
  Speaker 3: No, I don't.
• 15:41
  Speaker 8: You don't have any idea what it's like?
• 15:42
  Speaker 5: I personally don't.
• 15:43
  Speaker 8: You don't have any idea what it's like? Well, I've
• 15:46
  Speaker 8: seen it. It is funny also that we make such
• 15:48
  Speaker 8: a point that there's a big difference between men and
• 15:51
  Speaker 8: women now.
• 15:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah, right?
• 15:54
  Speaker 8: It strikes me funny that they're standing their ground.
• 15:57
  Speaker 2: Wait, I thought we were the same.
• 15:58
  Speaker 8: That's right. They're standing their ground. You can't have postpartum depression.
• 16:03
  Speaker 15: Right.
• 16:03
  Speaker 8: Only women can.
• 16:04
  Speaker 5: Wait.
• 16:05
  Speaker 8: I didn't think that was the case.
• 16:08
  Speaker 2: Isn't that convenient?
• 16:09
  Speaker 8: It is. It is convenient.
• 16:11
  Speaker 2: We're completely different when it suits their agenda. That's exactly right.
• 16:15
  Speaker 2: But the rest of the time, nope. Nope. We can
• 16:18
  Speaker 2: do anything you can do.
• 16:19
  Speaker 8: And better.
• 16:20
  Speaker 4: And better.
• 16:21
  Speaker 8: I can do anything you can do, but better.
• 16:23
  Speaker 2: Really?
• 16:23
  Speaker 8: Huh.
• 16:25
  Speaker 4: The Blaze X account yesterday retweeted something that Planned Parenthood
• 16:30
  Speaker 4: put out. I'm scrolling down trying to find this, but
• 16:33
  Speaker 4: it was. One of those ridiculous posts. Here we go.
• 16:36
  Speaker 4: People of all genders need abortions. This is a post
• 16:40
  Speaker 4: from Planned Parenthood.
• 16:42
  Speaker 14: What?
• 16:42
  Speaker 8: Oh, thank you. Thank you.
• 16:43
  Speaker 14: Okay.
• 16:43
  Speaker 4: Well, people of all genders can get postpartum depression as well,
• 16:47
  Speaker 4: I suppose.
• 16:48
  Speaker 2: People of all genders need abortions.
• 16:52
  Speaker 4: When was the last time you needed an abortion?
• 16:55
  Speaker 2: It's been a while.
• 16:56
  Speaker 4: Exactly.
• 16:57
  Speaker 3: Yeah. 65 years. Oh, 65 years? In there somewhere.
• 17:01
  Speaker 14: Yeah.
• 17:01
  Speaker 4: You need to get yourself checked up a little more often.
• 17:05
  Speaker 3: I know.
• 17:06
  Speaker 8: I know.
• 17:06
  Speaker 4: It's like the prostate. It goes hand in hand.
• 17:10
  Speaker 3: Yeah, we don't want to talk about prostate.
• 17:11
  Speaker 8: No, we don't talk about that.
• 17:12
  Speaker 3: No, we don't talk about that.
• 17:13
  Speaker 8: We don't talk about that.
• 17:15
  Speaker 14: So.
• 17:17
  Speaker 2: People of all genders.
• 17:20
  Speaker 4: Fascinating.
• 17:20
  Speaker 8: Interesting.
• 17:21
  Speaker 2: So men can get pregnant.
• 17:23
  Speaker 8: But you can't have postpartum depression.
• 17:25
  Speaker 4: Wait, I'm sorry.
• 17:26
  Speaker 2: Oh, no, I get the whole.
• 17:27
  Speaker 13: No.
• 17:27
  Speaker 4: No, you don't.
• 17:28
  Speaker 2: If I'm in for a penny, I'm in.
• 17:30
  Speaker 3: For a dollar.
• 17:31
  Speaker 8: No, that is not true.
• 17:33
  Speaker 2: Or if I'm in for a dollar, I'm in for
• 17:35
  Speaker 2: a penny or however that goes. I know it's a
• 17:39
  Speaker 2: popular axiom. It hasn't been used since 1953.
• 17:43
  Speaker 8: Well, there's a penny next to a pound, right?
• 17:45
  Speaker 2: In for a penny, in for a pound.
• 17:46
  Speaker 8: Is that what it is? I think so.
• 17:48
  Speaker 13: Yeah.
• 17:49
  Speaker 2: I guess we're doing British monetary measurements at the time.
• 17:52
  Speaker 8: That's why it's no longer used.
• 17:55
  Speaker 14: Oh.
• 17:58
  Speaker 5: All right.
• 18:00
  Speaker 2: So anyway, she.
• 18:03
  Speaker 2: She should be in prison right now. I don't even know...
• 18:06
  Speaker 2: Have they even decided if they're going to pursue this
• 18:09
  Speaker 2: thing again?
• 18:09
  Speaker 8: End of the month, right? The end of the month.
• 18:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah, the end of the month.
• 18:12
  Speaker 8: They decided whether they're going to try her. I would...
• 18:16
  Speaker 8: My guess is.
• 18:16
  Speaker 3: They have to retry her.
• 18:17
  Speaker 8: That they won't. It costs too much money, too much time.
• 18:21
  Speaker 3: They have to.
• 18:21
  Speaker 8: We'll just keep her in the psychiatric ward and be done.
• 18:24
  Speaker 2: And I mean, I think the same thing will happen
• 18:25
  Speaker 2: with a jury.
• 18:27
  Speaker 3: Don't you?
• 18:28
  Speaker 2: I think the same thing would happen.
• 18:29
  Speaker 8: 100%.
• 18:29
  Speaker 11: If.
• 18:31
  Speaker 2: Although this time there might not be a holdout. You know,
• 18:34
  Speaker 2: she'll just be found not guilty.
• 18:37
  Speaker 8: I mean, it's going to be tough to find a
• 18:39
  Speaker 8: clean jury.
• 18:40
  Speaker 3: Yeah, very tough.
• 18:41
  Speaker 2: I mean, nobody, there's nobody who hasn't heard or formed
• 18:46
  Speaker 2: an opinion on this.
• 18:47
  Speaker 4: You know, yesterday we didn't even address the breaking news
• 18:49
  Speaker 4: that happened right after Friday's show. Where we kind of
• 18:53
  Speaker 4: got a little bit more information about the holdout juror.
• 18:56
  Speaker 14: Oh, yeah.
• 18:56
  Speaker 4: We haven't had a chance to discuss that.
• 18:58
  Speaker 2: We have to play that. With the Gayle King interview
• 19:01
  Speaker 2: with one of the jurors.
• 19:02
  Speaker 8: She loses her mind. Amazing.
• 19:04
  Speaker 2: This is amazing. Clip 15.
• 19:06
  Speaker 8: Watch this.
• 19:07
  Speaker 16: I'm curious about the jurors themselves because we know it was.
• 19:11
  Speaker 16: Nine women, three men. What was the age range? What
• 19:14
  Speaker 16: was the racial makeup? I haven't heard any of that.
• 19:16
  Speaker 12: What was it?
• 19:18
  Speaker 9: 70-ish to 22. And one person of color and then
• 19:26
  Speaker 9: everybody else was white.
• 19:30
  Speaker 12: A lot of the jurors had children.
• 19:32
  Speaker 16: One person of color was a person of color, a
• 19:36
  Speaker 16: woman or a man?
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: A man.
• 19:37
  Speaker 12: A man.
• 19:38
  Speaker 11: Oh.
• 19:39
  Speaker 12: Is a holdout juror? A person, a black man?
• 19:43
  Speaker 17: Yes.
• 19:44
  Speaker 12: A black man is a holdout juror? Yes.
• 19:46
  Speaker 8: Yes.
• 19:48
  Speaker 12: Well, I have to sit with you. that for just
• 19:50
  Speaker 12: a second.
• 19:52
  Speaker 2: Why, Gail? Why do you have to sit with that
• 19:56
  Speaker 2: for just a second? My narrative is ruined.
• 19:59
  Speaker 4: What?
• 20:01
  Speaker 2: What is your issue with that? What, a black man
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: can't think she should... Suffer some consequences for murdering her
• 20:09
  Speaker 2: three children?
• 20:10
  Speaker 4: I'm going to have to sit with that, Pat.
• 20:12
  Speaker 8: My goodness. That's incredible.
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: What?
• 20:15
  Speaker 3: That's just bizarre.
• 20:16
  Speaker 8: I mean, she breaks news, and she obviously should know
• 20:19
  Speaker 8: that that is absolutely breaking news.
• 20:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah, she shouldn't have done that.
• 20:23
  Speaker 3: No way.
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: She should not have done that. And the poor guy's
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: being doxxed now.
• 20:27
  Speaker 4: He was doxxed.
• 20:28
  Speaker 8: We said all along that they were going to come
• 20:30
  Speaker 8: after him.
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and they have.
• 20:31
  Speaker 8: They have.
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: Who knows how much of it is true, how much
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: of it isn't true, but they raked him over the
• 20:38
  Speaker 2: coals already.
• 20:39
  Speaker 8: Yes, they did.
• 20:39
  Speaker 4: But your boy's in it. He's on it.
• 20:41
  Speaker 10: Sorry.
• 20:42
  Speaker 8: Yeah, DeSantis.
• 20:44
  Speaker 4: DeSantis is in? He said, come to Florida.
• 20:46
  Speaker 8: We'll take care of you. We'll give you.
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: Refuge.
• 20:48
  Speaker 4: Whatever you need.
• 20:50
  Speaker 5: Really?
• 20:50
  Speaker 8: Yes, sir.
• 20:51
  Speaker 13: Wow.
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: That's nice.
• 20:53
  Speaker 4: And I give Butter... No, not give Butter. Give Sango...
• 20:57
  Speaker 4: Has started for him to get him.
• 21:00
  Speaker 3: Oh.
• 21:01
  Speaker 4: Moved on.
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: To get him a new... Life, essentially?
• 21:04
  Speaker 8: He should already have been gone.
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he should be in witness protection.
• 21:07
  Speaker 8: He should be.
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: That poor guy, they're, to use a Texas term, fixing
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: to ruin his life.
• 21:14
  Speaker 8: You aren't lying, they are.
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: They're fixing to ruin his life.
• 21:16
  Speaker 8: They want nothing more than to ruin. They want nothing more.
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: And they're already deep into it.
• 21:22
  Speaker 13: Yes.
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: Saying all kinds of things about him. And I don't
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: know if the guy's a saint. I don't know anything
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: about him. But that doesn't matter. The guy was using
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: his noodle and listening to the evidence presented.
• 21:32
  Speaker 8: It did what we ask of every citizen in the
• 21:35
  Speaker 8: United States to try out for jury duty.
• 21:37
  Speaker 3: And let's not lose.
• 21:38
  Speaker 4: Sight of the fact that these people are losing their
• 21:41
  Speaker 4: minds for a woman who admits to murdering her three
• 21:45
  Speaker 4: precious babies.
• 21:47
  Speaker 14: Yeah.
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: That gets lost in all of this. Except on him.
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: It was not lost on him. It was not. And
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: they mentioned that, too. He just couldn't get past the
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: fact that she viciously.
• 21:59
  Speaker 3: Murdered her children.
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: Oh, you're going to want to watch. What a stunner
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: that is. What kind of person couldn't get past that?
• 22:07
  Speaker 8: A hateful white guy.
• 22:08
  Speaker 11: Oh, wait.
• 22:09
  Speaker 18: No.
• 22:09
  Speaker 4: Watch this female juror clip 16, and you'll see what
• 22:11
  Speaker 4: kind of person.
• 22:12
  Speaker 9: We knew that. that this was a turning point and
• 22:17
  Speaker 9: this would be something that could change something to make
• 22:21
  Speaker 9: it better for other women in the future, for other families.
• 22:26
  Speaker 9: Justice for those children is this never happening again.
• 22:32
  Speaker 7: And Devlin also talked to me about the impact this
• 22:34
  Speaker 7: has had.
• 22:34
  Speaker 12: On her own mental health.
• 22:36
  Speaker 7: She said during the week's long trial, she would walk
• 22:39
  Speaker 7: to a park or the beach during lunch, and she
• 22:42
  Speaker 7: just couldn't bear to look at the families around her.
• 22:44
  Speaker 7: She says, guys, she's still having a hard time with that.
• 22:47
  Speaker 8: Okay.
• 22:47
  Speaker 4: Well, then maybe next time convict.
• 22:50
  Speaker 8: Tough.
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: So justice for the kids is to see that it
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: never happens again. And again, You are serving that agenda
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: by letting her go home?
• 23:02
  Speaker 4: Yep, you're getting there. Yes, you got it.
• 23:04
  Speaker 10: What?
• 23:06
  Speaker 4: She's nuts. She does need to work on that mental health.
• 23:08
  Speaker 10: Wow.
• 23:09
  Speaker 4: I know.
• 23:09
  Speaker 8: That other lady, is this the lady that I sent
• 23:11
  Speaker 8: in where she goes on talking about no one said
• 23:14
  Speaker 8: anything bad about her, that she was an amazing mother,
• 23:17
  Speaker 8: cut 17? Is this her, the lady in the backyard?
• 23:19
  Speaker 9: We looked at the evidence. And the evidence had holes
• 23:24
  Speaker 9: in the prosecution's case. And the biggest piece... of the
• 23:29
  Speaker 9: whole case, the whole thing was based on mental health.
• 23:34
  Speaker 9: How can you have bias if only women can go
• 23:38
  Speaker 9: through postpartum depression? Only women can go through postpartum psychosis.
• 23:44
  Speaker 9: Only women can deliver a baby. That's not bias. That's
• 23:48
  Speaker 9: just a fact. I think that we all felt the
• 23:51
  Speaker 9: enormity of our decision. We didn't know what was going
• 23:55
  Speaker 9: on outside of that room. but we knew that we
• 24:01
  Speaker 9: had a chance to get a conversation started that could
• 24:06
  Speaker 9: change something that could maybe stop this from ever happening again.
• 24:12
  Speaker 9: I think that's one of the reasons why we feel,
• 24:17
  Speaker 9: or I feel so strongly about this is that I
• 24:21
  Speaker 9: hope that no other woman or husband has to go
• 24:25
  Speaker 9: through this. I hope that the more that people talk
• 24:30
  Speaker 9: about it, the more people understand it. And there's a
• 24:36
  Speaker 9: way to get help. There's a way to feel safe
• 24:39
  Speaker 9: to say what's really going on in your head. And
• 24:43
  Speaker 9: so you don't get to this point. And I truly,
• 24:46
  Speaker 9: truly in my heart believe that if Lindsay had got
• 24:49
  Speaker 9: the help she really.
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: Needed, that the children.
• 24:52
  Speaker 9: Would still be here.
• 24:53
  Speaker 12: What are you talking about?
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: That those five people.
• 24:55
  Speaker 9: Would still be a family. Those three little faces.
• 24:58
  Speaker 8: Oh my gosh. That's so terribly sad.
• 25:00
  Speaker 4: And just.
• 25:03
  Speaker 17: Wondering.
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: Don't you dare.
• 25:05
  Speaker 9: If we missed something. If we didn't ask the right questions.
• 25:08
  Speaker 5: Yeah, you did.
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: You missed the fact that she murdered three children.
• 25:11
  Speaker 4: You missed a lot.
• 25:12
  Speaker 9: It's hard not to feel like we failed. Everybody says
• 25:18
  Speaker 9: we didn't fail, but it's hard not to feel that.
• 25:21
  Speaker 3: I'm not saying that.
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: Not everybody says you're a failure. You failed miserably.
• 25:26
  Speaker 9: Those three faces just come to me when I close
• 25:30
  Speaker 9: my eyes.
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: And then you think the person who killed them should
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: go free. I can't take it. I can't. How could
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: this how could this prevent further tragedies like this when
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: there's no consequences for the person who did it?
• 25:45
  Speaker 4: I know how you're trying.
• 25:46
  Speaker 8: To just say what an amazing mother she was. And
• 25:48
  Speaker 8: I was like, wow. Up until the time she strangled him.
• 25:52
  Speaker 4: You know how you prevent it from happening again? is
• 25:55
  Speaker 4: you keep Clancy locked up for the rest of her life.
• 25:58
  Speaker 5: Right.
• 25:58
  Speaker 4: Which would have prevented three other deaths back in the 50s. Because,
• 26:02
  Speaker 4: by the way, we've seen something. Yeah, exactly the same
• 26:05
  Speaker 4: scenario happened. I'm sure they thought, well, we need to
• 26:10
  Speaker 4: make sure this never happens again. So they let her
• 26:12
  Speaker 4: go five years later, and she did it again. I don't... Wow,
• 26:18
  Speaker 4: I don't understand these people. You talk about consequences if...
• 26:22
  Speaker 4: We would have put her guilty with whatever we're going
• 26:25
  Speaker 4: to say guilty on. Then, in my opinion, we wouldn't
• 26:28
  Speaker 4: have all these copycat women. Like right now, we're up
• 26:30
  Speaker 4: to five copycat women that have flat out killed their
• 26:34
  Speaker 4: kids because of this case.
• 26:37
  Speaker 8: And used that, yeah.
• 26:38
  Speaker 4: And used Lindsay Clancy as a defense. Because they made
• 26:42
  Speaker 4: Lindsay Clancy a hero.
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: Yes. They put her on the pedestal here, and now you.
• 26:47
  Speaker 4: Have these other women. Exactly right, Chris. I mean, this
• 26:49
  Speaker 4: is just one tragedy after another.
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: 25 years ago, very similar case with Andrea Yates.
• 26:55
  Speaker 8: Yes.
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: She killed five children. Nobody lionized her. Nobody said, hey,
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: let's let's let her go. Well, they did.
• 27:06
  Speaker 3: I can remember.
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: Well, no, they had a candlelight vigil. Oh, they did.
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: I do remember that.
• 27:10
  Speaker 17: Yeah.
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: But there were that was a minority, though. That didn't
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: seem like a groundswell. That should have been a warning
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: to the rest of us.
• 27:18
  Speaker 8: You're right.
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: Should have nipped this kind of insanity. Remember that candlelight vigil?
• 27:23
  Speaker 3: Oh, man. That's crazy.
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: For her, not the kids.
• 27:27
  Speaker 8: Right. Right.
• 27:29
  Speaker 4: Our society's been sick for a very long time. I mean,
• 27:33
  Speaker 4: like you said, we got the 1950s case.
• 27:35
  Speaker 8: Yeah. Yeah. And look, all these women, maybe not, I
• 27:41
  Speaker 8: don't know anything about the Houston lady, if she got
• 27:44
  Speaker 8: some kind of help prior to doing this. I don't
• 27:47
  Speaker 8: know that. But Lindsay got a lot of help.
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah, she went to the doctor over and over and over.
• 27:54
  Speaker 8: She got a lot of help because she kept trying
• 27:57
  Speaker 8: to go to these doctors saying what was wrong with her.
• 28:00
  Speaker 8: And they kept trying to help her. So she was
• 28:03
  Speaker 8: legitimately trying to help them.
• 28:06
  Speaker 2: In fact, she had 30 medications. She wasn't taking them
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: all at the same time, but they tried at least
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: 30 times to help her.
• 28:14
  Speaker 8: To get it right.
• 28:15
  Speaker 4: She was admitted a couple of times to the hospital for...
• 28:19
  Speaker 4: Three days or so.
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: So what would qualify as getting her help? Institutionalizing her?
• 28:25
  Speaker 4: I think that's.
• 28:25
  Speaker 3: Just put her in an institution.
• 28:27
  Speaker 19: I mean.
• 28:28
  Speaker 4: Yes.
• 28:28
  Speaker 8: I don't know. I'm okay with leaving her in one
• 28:30
  Speaker 8: right now.
• 28:31
  Speaker 16: Yeah.
• 28:31
  Speaker 8: I know, you know, that's, I guess different than prison,
• 28:35
  Speaker 8: but so what? Just put her away. I don't want
• 28:40
  Speaker 8: to see her. I don't want to get some pity
• 28:42
  Speaker 8: out of everybody.
• 28:43
  Speaker 4: I close my eyes and I see the kids.
• 28:45
  Speaker 8: You know what?
• 28:46
  Speaker 5: Good.
• 28:46
  Speaker 8: Yeah. Good.
• 28:48
  Speaker 4: You did them wrong. All three babies, you did them wrong.
• 28:51
  Speaker 8: That's for sure. Yeah.
• 28:54
  Speaker 5: Yep.
• 28:55
  Speaker 4: The people like her aren't looking for justice for those kids.
• 28:58
  Speaker 4: They've got this social construct in mind that they think
• 29:02
  Speaker 4: they play a part in. My role is so important
• 29:05
  Speaker 4: as a juror to make sure that future people that
• 29:07
  Speaker 4: want to murder their babies... are treated fairly by the system. No,
• 29:11
  Speaker 4: it's about justice for these kids, woman. What is your deal?
• 29:15
  Speaker 4: Who didn't follow the law? It would be you in
• 29:17
  Speaker 4: this case.
• 29:17
  Speaker 8: 888-933-93.
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: With your thoughts, have they changed? I'd like to hear
• 29:24
  Speaker 2: from you and see where you're at on this right
• 29:27
  Speaker 2: now because it's still pretty sore.
• 29:33
  Speaker 8: It is.
• 29:33
  Speaker 2: This topic is still pretty fresh and an open wound.
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: Right now, I think. on the whole country, not just
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: the family, but all of us are kind of feeling
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: the effects of it. 888-933-93. More coming up. This is
• 29:46
  Speaker 2: Pat Gray Unleashed. With some tweets for you. Caffeinated Texan.
• 30:10
  Speaker 3: Tweets.
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: Putting the psycho woman in prison would keep her from
• 30:15
  Speaker 2: killing her kids again?
• 30:16
  Speaker 10: No?
• 30:18
  Speaker 14: Yes.
• 30:19
  Speaker 3: Yes, it would.
• 30:20
  Speaker 2: Or, you know, you could also lock her in an
• 30:23
  Speaker 2: institution for a good long time.
• 30:25
  Speaker 11: Yes.
• 30:26
  Speaker 2: Andrea Yates, who killed her five kids in a bathtub
• 30:29
  Speaker 2: in Houston back in the early 2000s. She's still still
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: in a mental facility to this day. And I'm OK
• 30:38
  Speaker 2: with that. Yeah, I'm perfectly fine with that. And she
• 30:41
  Speaker 2: doesn't feel comfortable leaving. So I don't know. It's a
• 30:46
  Speaker 2: different situation here because I think Lindsay just wants to
• 30:49
  Speaker 2: go home.
• 30:50
  Speaker 8: Tough.
• 30:51
  Speaker 4: I know.
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: I know, but it could happen. She's found not guilty, period.
• 30:59
  Speaker 2: Not just not guilty by reason of insanity, but just
• 31:01
  Speaker 2: not guilty, and I think that's where they were headed.
• 31:04
  Speaker 3: She's going home.
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: She's done. You're not putting her anywhere.
• 31:08
  Speaker 8: Right. Incredible. And to that point, that may have been
• 31:13
  Speaker 8: the breaking point for the loan holdout. It wasn't not
• 31:18
  Speaker 8: guilty due to insanity. It was not guilty, and he's.
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: Like, Could have been, right? Something's got to happen here.
• 31:24
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 31:25
  Speaker 10: Yeah.
• 31:25
  Speaker 2: You're not just setting her free.
• 31:27
  Speaker 8: Come on.
• 31:28
  Speaker 2: Bunter Heiden, 48% gay crack connoisseur, tweets, so doesn't all
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: this just prove that women should not be put in
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: charge of anything? Because hormones?
• 31:40
  Speaker 4: Honestly.
• 31:41
  Speaker 2: If you're to listen to the discussion, yeah.
• 31:43
  Speaker 4: These harpies out front of the courtroom and on this jury,
• 31:46
  Speaker 4: they're the ones that have set women back.
• 31:48
  Speaker 2: You better believe it. My goodness.
• 31:50
  Speaker 8: Oh, so having them in the kitchen is setting women back. Okay. Okay.
• 31:55
  Speaker 8: All right.
• 32:00
  Speaker 2: Because in Jeffy's mind, that's perfect.
• 32:04
  Speaker 8: That's the whole point.
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: That's perfection. Okay. Kara3022 tweets, think about this. Those people
• 32:11
  Speaker 2: defending Lindsay Clancy and saying the meds caused her to
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: kill her kids are the very same who attacked anyone
• 32:17
  Speaker 2: who did not take the jab or even questioned its safety.
• 32:23
  Speaker 3: Not the truth.
• 32:24
  Speaker 2: It's very true.
• 32:25
  Speaker 8: Probably.
• 32:26
  Speaker 2: I think they are the same people. All right, 888-933-93
• 32:30
  Speaker 2: with your thoughts. Let's go to Jason in Oklahoma.
• 32:34
  Speaker 3: Jason, welcome.
• 32:36
  Speaker 5: Good morning, fellas. Morning.
• 32:39
  Speaker 20: Hey, this first part's for Jeffrey, first of all. No,
• 32:45
  Speaker 20: my first wife, when we had our first child, she
• 32:48
  Speaker 20: suffered from that postpartum depression and stuff like that. And,
• 32:52
  Speaker 20: I mean, we lived way poorer than this lady did,
• 32:54
  Speaker 20: and we just had aunts. cousins, everybody come over and
• 32:59
  Speaker 20: help her, took her to her doctor, put her on
• 33:01
  Speaker 20: two medications, took her a few months to get over.
• 33:04
  Speaker 20: But even though going through that, she was still a
• 33:06
  Speaker 20: great mother. Now, granted, she would stand office and stuff
• 33:10
  Speaker 20: like that. So there's no excuse for this woman to
• 33:13
  Speaker 20: do what she did and walk away from it. Now,
• 33:17
  Speaker 20: if it was those guys that did it, we'd be
• 33:19
  Speaker 20: hanging in the courthouse square that afternoon.
• 33:21
  Speaker 3: That's right.
• 33:22
  Speaker 2: There'd be no sympathy for a man who did something similar.
• 33:26
  Speaker 2: Appreciate it, Jason. Even if he's mentally ill.
• 33:28
  Speaker 9: Yeah.
• 33:29
  Speaker 8: And we've talked about it before that all these other
• 33:31
  Speaker 8: women talking about postpartum depression, no one said, at least here,
• 33:36
  Speaker 8: that postpartum depression or postpartum psychosis.
• 33:38
  Speaker 2: Wasn't real.
• 33:39
  Speaker 8: Doesn't exist. No. It wasn't real.
• 33:41
  Speaker 3: We know it is.
• 33:42
  Speaker 8: It's just that all these other women who say, I
• 33:44
  Speaker 8: had it, didn't kill their children.
• 33:47
  Speaker 3: Correct. Yeah.
• 33:49
  Speaker 8: It's not that hard.
• 33:50
  Speaker 14: Yeah.
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: Hundreds of thousands, if not millions of women who had
• 33:53
  Speaker 2: it and didn't kill their children.
• 33:55
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 33:57
  Speaker 2: Nikki in Florida.
• 33:58
  Speaker 14: Welcome.
• 34:01
  Speaker 17: So I just want to say, I think, you know,
• 34:05
  Speaker 17: she was a nurse. She's very smart. She knows, you know,
• 34:10
  Speaker 17: this type of stuff. She was never diagnosed with postpartum depression.
• 34:15
  Speaker 17: She didn't even go to start seeing the doctor until
• 34:18
  Speaker 17: four months after she had the baby. And, yeah, she
• 34:21
  Speaker 17: was prescribed all these meds, but she was not taking them.
• 34:24
  Speaker 8: If you look in.
• 34:25
  Speaker 17: Her lawsuit, the civil lawsuit she's doing, she talks about how,
• 34:30
  Speaker 17: you know, the meds made her feel this way. She
• 34:32
  Speaker 17: was scared she was going to have suicidal ideation, so
• 34:35
  Speaker 17: she wouldn't take the meds. And even when she was tested,
• 34:39
  Speaker 17: her blood after she got injured was in the hospital.
• 34:43
  Speaker 17: It was low, but she admitted to taking a bunch
• 34:45
  Speaker 17: to try to kill herself. So I believe that her
• 34:48
  Speaker 17: going to the doctors, she was never they never considered
• 34:52
  Speaker 17: her psychotic. They never considered her even to have postpartum depression.
• 34:56
  Speaker 17: It was all a way for her to get an
• 34:59
  Speaker 17: alibi and excuse to do this. I think motherhood was
• 35:04
  Speaker 17: maybe not what she wanted. It was the kids were
• 35:07
  Speaker 17: too much on. You know, she talked about needing a
• 35:10
  Speaker 17: break from motherhood, that her middle son was the most
• 35:13
  Speaker 17: difficult human she's ever dealt with.
• 35:16
  Speaker 8: She had all kinds of help with the children, too.
• 35:19
  Speaker 20: Yeah, exactly.
• 35:20
  Speaker 13: Exactly.
• 35:22
  Speaker 17: What more could the husband have done?
• 35:24
  Speaker 8: I don't know.
• 35:24
  Speaker 11: He must have leave.
• 35:26
  Speaker 17: He started to work from home. She got a nanny
• 35:30
  Speaker 17: on top of it.
• 35:31
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 35:31
  Speaker 17: Like, what are you? I had none of that. And
• 35:34
  Speaker 17: I had three children two years apart. And, you know,
• 35:38
  Speaker 17: I just I think it's a ruse. I think the
• 35:42
  Speaker 17: only thing she didn't count on was breaking her back
• 35:45
  Speaker 17: when she fell out the window.
• 35:46
  Speaker 16: Yeah.
• 35:48
  Speaker 17: Because I think she wanted to walk away from this.
• 35:51
  Speaker 3: Appreciate it, Nicky.
• 35:52
  Speaker 8: Thank you. Now it's just rolling away.
• 35:55
  Speaker 14: Yeah.
• 35:56
  Speaker 2: That's pretty good points there.
• 36:00
  Speaker 8: Yeah, absolutely.
• 36:01
  Speaker 3: You know?
• 36:01
  Speaker 8: Yeah, that's absolutely some great points from Nicky.
• 36:03
  Speaker 2: You can't be helped if you won't take the meds
• 36:05
  Speaker 2: that have been prescribed for you trying to give you
• 36:07
  Speaker 2: the help.
• 36:08
  Speaker 3: So.
• 36:10
  Speaker 4: And Fisher, how are they supposed to make you feel
• 36:12
  Speaker 4: when you take those medications?
• 36:14
  Speaker 8: Well, a lot of times people that take the first one.
• 36:18
  Speaker 8: Don't worry about how medications make you feel. Just take them.
• 36:24
  Speaker 8: Just take them.
• 36:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 36:25
  Speaker 8: But a lot of times people, especially, I mean, I've
• 36:28
  Speaker 8: had some people in my inner circle that have had
• 36:34
  Speaker 8: some problems with– you know, mental issues, and the drugs
• 36:39
  Speaker 8: make them feel better, but it also clouds them. It
• 36:43
  Speaker 8: makes them feel cloudy inside. And when they start feeling better,
• 36:47
  Speaker 8: then they think they don't need the medication anymore. They do.
• 36:51
  Speaker 2: They do. And they're feeling better, usually, because of the medication. Right,
• 36:55
  Speaker 2: but they don't see it that way.
• 36:57
  Speaker 8: That's right. They don't see it that way.
• 36:58
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 36:59
  Speaker 8: And then it's off the rails again.
• 37:00
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I feel better now. I feel better.
• 37:02
  Speaker 5: Right.
• 37:03
  Speaker 2: Well, you feel better because... The pills you're taking.
• 37:06
  Speaker 8: Yeah, the medication is working.
• 37:07
  Speaker 4: No, but I feel better, though. I feel better.
• 37:09
  Speaker 8: They don't like the way the pills make them feel cloudy.
• 37:12
  Speaker 8: I don't know how else to explain it.
• 37:14
  Speaker 2: Or sleepy, or you gain weight. There's a whole bunch
• 37:17
  Speaker 2: of reasons that you might stop taking them. But probably
• 37:23
  Speaker 2: shouldn't in my... I'm not a doctor.
• 37:25
  Speaker 8: Although Nikki makes some great points that she was working
• 37:29
  Speaker 8: this ruse to have the excuse. I like that a lot.
• 37:34
  Speaker 4: Of course you do that.
• 37:36
  Speaker 2: Beth in Texas.
• 37:37
  Speaker 3: Welcome.
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: Hi.
• 37:39
  Speaker 8: Hi, Beth.
• 37:41
  Speaker 2: I hear you calling, but can't come home right now.
• 37:45
  Speaker 2: Me and the boys playing and we just can't find
• 37:48
  Speaker 2: the sound, you know? So just a few more hours.
• 37:52
  Speaker 3: Be right home to you.
• 37:54
  Speaker 2: I mean, I hear you call it, but Beth, what
• 37:58
  Speaker 2: can I do? Beth, Beth, what can I do?
• 38:02
  Speaker 13: You know, Can I talk yet?
• 38:07
  Speaker 10: You can.
• 38:08
  Speaker 8: You can.
• 38:08
  Speaker 3: Thank you. The nightmare is over now.
• 38:09
  Speaker 5: Go ahead.
• 38:10
  Speaker 2: Well done.
• 38:10
  Speaker 3: That was awesome.
• 38:14
  Speaker 13: I want to say two things, if I could. One,
• 38:17
  Speaker 13: at least the only good thing to come out of
• 38:19
  Speaker 13: the trial is now we have the definition of a woman,
• 38:22
  Speaker 13: somebody that can get postpartum depression.
• 38:24
  Speaker 2: Wouldn't that be nice?
• 38:24
  Speaker 4: Yes.
• 38:25
  Speaker 2: They'll conveniently forget that definition as soon as it suits
• 38:28
  Speaker 2: their purpose, however.
• 38:30
  Speaker 13: Well, we have to keep reminding them.
• 38:31
  Speaker 17: Yeah.
• 38:32
  Speaker 10: Yep.
• 38:33
  Speaker 13: And the second thing is actually on abortion, if I could.
• 38:38
  Speaker 13: It's one thing if people think that a woman shouldn't
• 38:41
  Speaker 13: have to carry a baby full term. It's one thing
• 38:44
  Speaker 13: to say they can't force you to carry a baby.
• 38:47
  Speaker 13: But what gives a woman the right to demand the
• 38:50
  Speaker 13: baby be killed?
• 38:51
  Speaker 5: I mean, take the baby out, deliver the baby prematurely.
• 38:55
  Speaker 13: Put it in the NICU unit, let CHIP pay for it,
• 38:59
  Speaker 13: and give the baby up for adoption.
• 39:01
  Speaker 8: Well, first you have to believe that it's a baby.
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.
• 39:04
  Speaker 13: Well, once it comes out, it will be.
• 39:06
  Speaker 4: Yeah, but you don't know that bad.
• 39:10
  Speaker 21: They deliver.
• 39:10
  Speaker 10: Why do they have to?
• 39:11
  Speaker 13: How does she have a right to demand.
• 39:13
  Speaker 5: It be killed?
• 39:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a tough one.
• 39:16
  Speaker 8: It is.
• 39:16
  Speaker 2: Because that's, you know, that's the left right now.
• 39:21
  Speaker 8: Everything's surrounding the abortion. It's a child, right? If you're
• 39:27
  Speaker 8: pregnant and you get killed in a car crash, that person.
• 39:30
  Speaker 8: killed two people. But if you're pregnant standing on that
• 39:33
  Speaker 8: street corner, you're only one person? Mm-hmm. Oh, okay.
• 39:38
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 39:38
  Speaker 2: And if you abort the baby, it wasn't a person
• 39:41
  Speaker 2: at all.
• 39:41
  Speaker 5: Right.
• 39:41
  Speaker 8: That's what I'm saying.
• 39:42
  Speaker 3: It wasn't.
• 39:43
  Speaker 14: Tissue.
• 39:43
  Speaker 4: It was just a tissue.
• 39:45
  Speaker 8: So to her point, seriously, you have to believe that
• 39:49
  Speaker 8: it is a baby. Inside of you, which is why,
• 39:51
  Speaker 8: you know, our sponsor is so important to see the ultrasound.
• 39:57
  Speaker 8: Because then they realize, oh, crap, that is a human
• 40:01
  Speaker 8: in there.
• 40:01
  Speaker 3: That's life.
• 40:03
  Speaker 2: That's not a clump of broccoli.
• 40:04
  Speaker 8: Right.
• 40:05
  Speaker 2: That's interesting. That's not a Volkswagen.
• 40:07
  Speaker 8: It is not.
• 40:08
  Speaker 4: Are you sure it's not a Volkswagen?
• 40:09
  Speaker 2: Pretty sure.
• 40:10
  Speaker 8: It's not a Volkswagen.
• 40:11
  Speaker 2: Not a shoe. John in New York, welcome.
• 40:16
  Speaker 10: Hi, Pat.
• 40:17
  Speaker 3: Hey.
• 40:19
  Speaker 18: Well, I just was wondering what the female juror who
• 40:24
  Speaker 18: we saw earlier, our public opinion might be about Lindsay Clancy.
• 40:32
  Speaker 18: If instead of murdering her three children, she was watching
• 40:38
  Speaker 18: her African-American neighbor's three children or her Muslim neighbor. couples
• 40:44
  Speaker 18: neighbors three children or her gay couples neighbors three children
• 40:50
  Speaker 18: and murdered them I wonder, and I want to know
• 40:54
  Speaker 18: what you think.
• 40:55
  Speaker 8: That's a good wonder.
• 40:56
  Speaker 18: I wonder what the public outcry would be.
• 41:01
  Speaker 8: Oh, my gosh.
• 41:02
  Speaker 2: They'd be burning her at the stake.
• 41:04
  Speaker 8: Immediately.
• 41:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they'd burn her.
• 41:06
  Speaker 8: At the stake.
• 41:06
  Speaker 4: And only a person from New York will have all
• 41:08
  Speaker 4: those type of neighbors.
• 41:09
  Speaker 8: That is awesome.
• 41:10
  Speaker 4: John, you can tell you're from New York, you have
• 41:13
  Speaker 4: all those type of neighbors, bro.
• 41:14
  Speaker 8: That's a heck of a wonder.
• 41:16
  Speaker 3: Thanks, John.
• 41:16
  Speaker 2: No, that's a really good point.
• 41:17
  Speaker 8: It certainly is. Yeah.
• 41:20
  Speaker 2: If these were white kids, can you imagine the horror
• 41:24
  Speaker 2: of it?
• 41:25
  Speaker 14: Jeez.
• 41:27
  Speaker 2: That would change things, wouldn't it?
• 41:28
  Speaker 8: Yes, it would.
• 41:31
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• 43:01
  Speaker 2: Charlie in Wisconsin. Welcome to the Blaze.
• 43:03
  Speaker 8: Hi.
• 43:07
  Speaker 10: The thing I'm wondering about is there's a major problem
• 43:11
  Speaker 10: with these women. How did it go as far as
• 43:14
  Speaker 10: three kids before she decided she doesn't want kids anymore?
• 43:19
  Speaker 10: That was my big thing, and then she ended up,
• 43:22
  Speaker 10: instead of getting rid of them, she got rid of
• 43:24
  Speaker 10: them the wrong way. Now, the major thing here, you
• 43:28
  Speaker 10: can settle this problem one way, whether she goes to prison,
• 43:33
  Speaker 10: she gets let loose, whatever. All you have to do
• 43:35
  Speaker 10: is give her a total physical, find out there's something
• 43:39
  Speaker 10: like cancer detected in her uterine problem area, and give
• 43:44
  Speaker 10: her a total hysterectomy.
• 43:47
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 43:47
  Speaker 8: So she couldn't have any children.
• 43:49
  Speaker 3: So she couldn't have. Yeah. Yeah. Thanks, Charlie.
• 43:52
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 43:53
  Speaker 8: I mean, okay. Okay. Do we have to pretend that
• 43:57
  Speaker 8: she has cancer? Just have the judge order it.
• 44:01
  Speaker 10: Yeah.
• 44:01
  Speaker 8: You know, you're insane. And by the way, while you're
• 44:05
  Speaker 8: at the facility, we're going to go ahead and give
• 44:07
  Speaker 8: you a hysterectomy.
• 44:09
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 44:09
  Speaker 4: Well, it's like the call we had last week or
• 44:11
  Speaker 4: two weeks ago where she was taking care of her.
• 44:14
  Speaker 8: Grandbabies. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 44:15
  Speaker 4: And then they got a divorce and then that girl
• 44:18
  Speaker 4: kept having babies.
• 44:19
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 44:20
  Speaker 4: And then she kept taking them in.
• 44:21
  Speaker 8: Right.
• 44:22
  Speaker 5: Right.
• 44:23
  Speaker 2: And so the grandmother wound up with them.
• 44:24
  Speaker 4: The grandmother wound up with kids that were not even hers.
• 44:27
  Speaker 17: Yeah.
• 44:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but even if you had, you know, a forced hysterectomy,
• 44:34
  Speaker 2: that doesn't, you don't have any consequences for the first
• 44:38
  Speaker 2: round that you've already killed. Still needs to be justice
• 44:41
  Speaker 2: for the three kids.
• 44:42
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 44:42
  Speaker 4: And justice for me is her in prison.
• 44:44
  Speaker 18: Yeah.
• 44:45
  Speaker 2: Or mental institution for the rest of her life.
• 44:47
  Speaker 10: Yes.
• 44:48
  Speaker 4: She just can't be free, which is what I think.
• 44:50
  Speaker 4: She can't be free. Which I think what 11 jurors
• 44:53
  Speaker 4: wanted is her to just go home free.
• 44:55
  Speaker 2: I think so.
• 44:56
  Speaker 8: I think that's why there was the holdout.
• 44:58
  Speaker 2: And since they're all out there yapping their mouths, why
• 45:02
  Speaker 2: doesn't somebody ask them? Okay, what did you want to
• 45:04
  Speaker 2: have happen here?
• 45:05
  Speaker 10: Yes.
• 45:06
  Speaker 2: I have not heard that question asked or certainly answered.
• 45:10
  Speaker 8: I have not either. Maybe Gail could ask it after
• 45:12
  Speaker 8: she gets done sitting on the fact.
• 45:15
  Speaker 2: Okay, so you sat on the fact that there was
• 45:17
  Speaker 2: a black man that held out. But what did these
• 45:19
  Speaker 2: white women want to do with her? Did they want
• 45:22
  Speaker 2: to send her home free? In fact, I'd like to
• 45:24
  Speaker 2: give an open invitation to the black juror. He needs
• 45:27
  Speaker 2: to come on this show.
• 45:28
  Speaker 3: Oh, I would love that. We'll talk to him.
• 45:30
  Speaker 8: Absolutely. We'll talk to you. We'll give you plenty of love.
• 45:34
  Speaker 2: Talk to any of these moronic jurors, too. Any of them.
• 45:37
  Speaker 4: Oh, yeah.
• 45:37
  Speaker 2: Any of them.
• 45:38
  Speaker 4: Absolutely. Call in.
• 45:40
  Speaker 2: Tell us how it's even possible.
• 45:43
  Speaker 8: Which moronic juror would you like to speak to?
• 45:47
  Speaker 3: Any of them.
• 45:47
  Speaker 4: I want the four person.
• 45:48
  Speaker 2: Any of the other 11, but the four person would
• 45:50
  Speaker 2: be great. I want the four person to talk to.
• 45:55
  Speaker 2: Henry in Michigan, welcome.
• 45:58
  Speaker 11: Good morning, gentlemen.
• 45:59
  Speaker 3: Good morning, gentlemen.
• 46:02
  Speaker 22: Here in Michigan, right across the border, they have a
• 46:04
  Speaker 22: number of fine institutions we can send her to. And
• 46:08
  Speaker 22: when the time comes, they have solutions for her situation.
• 46:15
  Speaker 2: The MAID program? Is that what we're referring to?
• 46:19
  Speaker 22: I don't know the name of it or not.
• 46:22
  Speaker 13: Yeah.
• 46:22
  Speaker 5: They help all people.
• 46:23
  Speaker 10: Yeah.
• 46:24
  Speaker 2: They help them. They've been helping a lot of people.
• 46:26
  Speaker 2: Get to a better place. Yes.
• 46:28
  Speaker 3: Thanks, Henry.
• 46:29
  Speaker 8: They've been helping a lot of people. Those numbers have
• 46:31
  Speaker 8: been going up.
• 46:32
  Speaker 2: Like crazy.
• 46:33
  Speaker 3: What was it?
• 46:34
  Speaker 8: I don't remember.
• 46:35
  Speaker 4: 5% of Canadians die at the hands of their government.
• 46:38
  Speaker 3: That is staggering.
• 46:44
  Speaker 4: And they encourage it. I mean, it's one of the
• 46:46
  Speaker 4: first solutions that they offer in many cases.
• 46:48
  Speaker 8: I stubbed my toe.
• 46:49
  Speaker 11: Oh.
• 46:50
  Speaker 19: Oh.
• 46:50
  Speaker 2: We've got the maid program. We can just put you down.
• 46:53
  Speaker 8: Sign you up.
• 46:54
  Speaker 4: Wait. Is that how they say it? Put you down.
• 46:57
  Speaker 14: Yeah.
• 46:57
  Speaker 8: We'll put you down.
• 46:58
  Speaker 4: It's like a dog. You know, take it in to
• 47:00
  Speaker 4: be put to sleep. We'll just put you down. You're
• 47:02
  Speaker 4: going to kill me. Can you say it a little
• 47:04
  Speaker 4: bit more nicer?
• 47:04
  Speaker 8: We're not killing you.
• 47:07
  Speaker 2: No, we're just putting you to sleep permanently.
• 47:10
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 47:10
  Speaker 2: You'll go to sleep and you just won't wake up.
• 47:12
  Speaker 8: You stubbed your toe. You're hurting right now.
• 47:15
  Speaker 2: We can take that pain away. We can take it
• 47:17
  Speaker 2: right away from you.
• 47:18
  Speaker 4: You can just put me to sleep.
• 47:20
  Speaker 13: Yeah.
• 47:20
  Speaker 10: Okay.
• 47:20
  Speaker 4: And the pain goes away?
• 47:21
  Speaker 10: Yeah.
• 47:22
  Speaker 8: Okay. Here's the thing. Stop asking questions. Just lay down.
• 47:28
  Speaker 2: What is it you don't understand about the MAID program?
• 47:30
  Speaker 2: All right. We're helping you. Let us help you.
• 47:33
  Speaker 4: The part where you're helping me by killing me.
• 47:36
  Speaker 2: Help me help you.
• 47:37
  Speaker 3: Okay, fine.
• 47:38
  Speaker 8: Thank you.
• 47:38
  Speaker 4: I'll lay down.
• 47:39
  Speaker 2: All right.
• 47:40
  Speaker 3: 888-933-93.
• 47:40
  Speaker 2: More coming up. Pat Gray Unleashed.
• 48:09
  Speaker 1: Pat Gray is here on the Blaze Radio Network.
• 48:14
  Speaker 5: All right.
• 48:15
  Speaker 2: Blowing off some steam on this Lindsey Clancy thing. Just
• 48:17
  Speaker 2: getting your thoughts as things have spiraled completely out of
• 48:23
  Speaker 2: control with these jurors.
• 48:25
  Speaker 4: I mean, I.
• 48:26
  Speaker 2: It is so wrong that they've outed the one holdout,
• 48:31
  Speaker 2: right up to telling pretty much exactly who he is.
• 48:34
  Speaker 8: Well, they have to, right? I mean, legally, we're at— have
• 48:37
  Speaker 8: we reached the 14-day point?
• 48:38
  Speaker 4: This Friday.
• 48:39
  Speaker 10: No.
• 48:39
  Speaker 8: This Friday, right?
• 48:40
  Speaker 2: And it's not their responsibility.
• 48:42
  Speaker 4: No, it's not their— no.
• 48:43
  Speaker 2: It's not the jurors' responsibility to do that.
• 48:45
  Speaker 8: No, no, I'm just saying legally the courts have to
• 48:47
  Speaker 8: put their names out.
• 48:48
  Speaker 2: Eventually they'll release it. Yes, which is— They said two weeks, right?
• 48:51
  Speaker 2: But these jurors shouldn't be doing it.
• 48:52
  Speaker 3: Correct.
• 48:53
  Speaker 8: And they're not, technically.
• 48:55
  Speaker 3: They are, though.
• 48:57
  Speaker 2: But they're not technically except they.
• 48:59
  Speaker 4: Are because you can go back and look at that
• 49:00
  Speaker 4: gail clip that juror yeah she had that should i
• 49:05
  Speaker 4: say that that was she sure did yeah oh crap
• 49:08
  Speaker 4: i just stepped.
• 49:09
  Speaker 8: In yeah she sure did she came really close to.
• 49:11
  Speaker 4: The line but technically technically yes.
• 49:14
  Speaker 3: Except she did she really because.
• 49:15
  Speaker 4: You know the producers were in gail's ear was he
• 49:19
  Speaker 4: the black guy was he the black guy?
• 49:20
  Speaker 8: Yeah, for sure. I have to sit on that for
• 49:23
  Speaker 8: a second.
• 49:24
  Speaker 3: Why?
• 49:24
  Speaker 8: Why, Gail?
• 49:25
  Speaker 2: What kind of racism is that, Gail?
• 49:27
  Speaker 8: No kidding.
• 49:28
  Speaker 18: Weird?
• 49:29
  Speaker 8: Really weird.
• 49:30
  Speaker 4: In a sane society. Kind of. The rules would be reversed.
• 49:36
  Speaker 4: In other words, it would be 11 people that wanted
• 49:39
  Speaker 4: her to put her away. And one person would be like, no, no,
• 49:43
  Speaker 4: let's show sympathy. And I don't want that juror outed.
• 49:47
  Speaker 4: But in a saner society, I should say, that would
• 49:50
  Speaker 4: be what we're discussing here.
• 49:52
  Speaker 8: Right. For sure.
• 49:54
  Speaker 2: Unfortunately, it's the flip of that. It's the reverse of that.
• 49:58
  Speaker 4: And a lot of people are saying, oh, well, the
• 49:59
  Speaker 4: juror allegedly... had domestic charges against him.
• 50:03
  Speaker 8: I saw that news report. He's a deadbeat.
• 50:05
  Speaker 4: Who cares? I don't care.
• 50:07
  Speaker 2: Did he murder three children?
• 50:09
  Speaker 3: Nope.
• 50:09
  Speaker 4: At that moment, he stood up for what mattered.
• 50:12
  Speaker 8: Some of those charges were dropped. What news report did
• 50:15
  Speaker 8: I saw?
• 50:16
  Speaker 2: The charge was dropped.
• 50:16
  Speaker 8: It was dropped, but we're still talking about it. This
• 50:19
  Speaker 8: is the form you have to fill out. We don't
• 50:21
  Speaker 8: have the actual form, but if he filled this out wrong,
• 50:24
  Speaker 8: that's a lie. Thank you.
• 50:26
  Speaker 2: Exactly.
• 50:28
  Speaker 3: They have no idea.
• 50:28
  Speaker 8: No, they don't.
• 50:29
  Speaker 2: But they're willing to ruin his reputation. Yep.
• 50:35
  Speaker 3: It's unbelievable.
• 50:37
  Speaker 2: And it's wrong. And so that's cool that Ron DeSantis
• 50:40
  Speaker 2: stepped in, told him to come to Florida and they'll
• 50:43
  Speaker 2: take care of him.
• 50:44
  Speaker 8: On your way to Florida, stop by here, Mercury Studios
• 50:47
  Speaker 8: in Irving, Texas.
• 50:48
  Speaker 10: Yeah.
• 50:48
  Speaker 8: And we'd love to talk to you. We'll put you
• 50:50
  Speaker 8: up for a day. In fact, give you a box
• 50:52
  Speaker 8: of kegs and cookies. Chris has got a couple extra
• 50:54
  Speaker 8: we just found out.
• 50:54
  Speaker 4: Whoa, easy. No, that is true. I have a box
• 50:59
  Speaker 4: of cookies, but they're not for that. That's not what
• 51:03
  Speaker 4: you said in here.
• 51:04
  Speaker 8: Oh, wow. Okay. The wife wanted me to give her some.
• 51:07
  Speaker 8: We'll get you a box.
• 51:07
  Speaker 4: I have a deep freezer full of. At least five
• 51:10
  Speaker 4: keksi boo boxes.
• 51:12
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 51:12
  Speaker 4: But they're not for that.
• 51:14
  Speaker 2: You're not willing to give one up for our holdout juror?
• 51:18
  Speaker 4: If he likes cookies and creams, then yes. If he don't,
• 51:21
  Speaker 4: then tough. I can go take you to the shop
• 51:23
  Speaker 4: and I'll buy you one. Okay.
• 51:26
  Speaker 14: All right.
• 51:27
  Speaker 2: Let's go to Paul in Florida.
• 51:29
  Speaker 8: Hey, Paul.
• 51:30
  Speaker 3: Welcome.
• 51:31
  Speaker 5: You know, here's my thing is... The lady that did
• 51:37
  Speaker 5: the Fox interview that was a juror, the first thing
• 51:40
  Speaker 5: out of her mouth was, we want to stop this
• 51:42
  Speaker 5: from happening ever again.
• 51:44
  Speaker 14: Yeah.
• 51:44
  Speaker 5: And then you got them all colluding together and pressuring
• 51:48
  Speaker 5: that guy to say she's not guilty.
• 51:51
  Speaker 8: Right.
• 51:52
  Speaker 5: And she goes, well, it was our duty to make
• 51:55
  Speaker 5: sure that this never happened again. That's not what you
• 51:58
  Speaker 5: were told to do. You were told to figure out
• 52:00
  Speaker 5: whether or not she killed the kids or she didn't
• 52:03
  Speaker 5: kill the kids because she was crazy. And her whole
• 52:06
  Speaker 5: thing with the meds, I suffer from PTSD. I'm on
• 52:10
  Speaker 5: some of the same meds. And I struggled with it
• 52:14
  Speaker 5: for the first two or three years because they put
• 52:17
  Speaker 5: you on the meds. Some of them work. Some of
• 52:19
  Speaker 5: them don't.
• 52:20
  Speaker 8: But every time you.
• 52:21
  Speaker 5: Call in to your psychiatrist, they're asking you a thousand questions.
• 52:26
  Speaker 5: Do you want to hurt yourself? Do you want to
• 52:28
  Speaker 5: hurt somebody else? It's like yes or no. But now
• 52:32
  Speaker 5: you've got these jurors trying to legislate from the jury box.
• 52:37
  Speaker 5: We already got judges trying to legislate.
• 52:41
  Speaker 8: Every day we have more stories about judges legislating.
• 52:44
  Speaker 14: Yes.
• 52:45
  Speaker 8: You're 100 percent right, Paul.
• 52:47
  Speaker 2: It's a really good point on the that's not their job.
• 52:50
  Speaker 2: That's not their job to even.
• 52:51
  Speaker 5: That's not what they were told to do. And the gentleman,
• 52:54
  Speaker 5: he fought him and said, hey, I'm not going to
• 52:58
  Speaker 5: go for this because that's not what we were told
• 53:00
  Speaker 5: to do.
• 53:00
  Speaker 10: We weren't told.
• 53:01
  Speaker 5: To stand up and start a whole movement. We were
• 53:04
  Speaker 5: told to decide what she did and if it's right
• 53:06
  Speaker 5: or wrong.
• 53:07
  Speaker 2: And thank goodness for that guy.
• 53:09
  Speaker 5: Then they tried to throw him off the jury.
• 53:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they wanted an alternate to come in and replace him.
• 53:18
  Speaker 5: I bet you they told him, if you don't go
• 53:20
  Speaker 5: with us, we're going to ruin your life.
• 53:24
  Speaker 2: That's trying to kick the black man off the jury.
• 53:27
  Speaker 5: Listen to that lady's interview. The first thing out of
• 53:31
  Speaker 5: her mouth was this. We wanted to make sure this
• 53:33
  Speaker 5: didn't happen again and draw attention to it. Oh, my God,
• 53:36
  Speaker 5: that was not what you were there for.
• 53:38
  Speaker 8: Yeah. Thanks, Paul.
• 53:40
  Speaker 3: Great point.
• 53:41
  Speaker 4: Story broke last night. Judge William Sullivan has issued an
• 53:45
  Speaker 4: order that will keep the jury list impounded.
• 53:50
  Speaker 8: Oh.
• 53:51
  Speaker 4: Citing concerns about juror privacy.
• 53:53
  Speaker 2: Good.
• 53:55
  Speaker 4: It comes after the alleged holdout juror was identified on
• 53:57
  Speaker 4: social media. So apparently... he's making sure that the name
• 54:01
  Speaker 4: doesn't get released by the court for what that's worth.
• 54:05
  Speaker 4: And I know he did that, but I believe we
• 54:06
  Speaker 4: have a picture of the juror, and hopefully we don't
• 54:09
  Speaker 4: get in trouble by showing this. I'm being told in
• 54:13
  Speaker 4: my ear that this is the juror.
• 54:14
  Speaker 8: That's him?
• 54:15
  Speaker 5: Okay.
• 54:15
  Speaker 8: Okay. All right. We'll take it out if we get
• 54:18
  Speaker 8: in trouble. One of those Norman Rockwell pictures.
• 54:21
  Speaker 2: It's almost like that. That was taken in the jury room.
• 54:26
  Speaker 8: Oh, okay. Yeah.
• 54:28
  Speaker 2: So you don't see the other two men there. They're
• 54:30
  Speaker 2: outside the picture.
• 54:31
  Speaker 4: They're in the front. If you look at it, they're
• 54:32
  Speaker 4: in the front.
• 54:33
  Speaker 8: Okay, yeah.
• 54:33
  Speaker 4: They took the picture.
• 54:35
  Speaker 8: Okay.
• 54:37
  Speaker 2: Carrie in Oklahoma. You're on the blaze.
• 54:38
  Speaker 16: Hi.
• 54:40
  Speaker 1: Hi, guys.
• 54:42
  Speaker 5: Hi.
• 54:42
  Speaker 2: Hi, guys. Hello.
• 54:43
  Speaker 19: Hello, are you there?
• 54:45
  Speaker 14: Yeah.
• 54:47
  Speaker 8: Okay.
• 54:47
  Speaker 19: I want to address the elephant in the room.
• 54:49
  Speaker 1: Okay. Okay.
• 54:51
  Speaker 8: What do you need?
• 54:52
  Speaker 19: We can talk all day long whether it's psycho or
• 54:55
  Speaker 19: not psycho. Why are people so depressed? It's not, you know,
• 55:00
  Speaker 19: we want to treat everything with a little pill, throw
• 55:03
  Speaker 19: them down the road. You say, are you doing okay? No.
• 55:06
  Speaker 19: We need to diagnose why everybody's so depressed because we
• 55:10
  Speaker 19: don't eat right. We don't exercise. The first thing I
• 55:13
  Speaker 19: want to give you is a pill and fix everything.
• 55:16
  Speaker 19: The elephant in the room, if we need to talk
• 55:18
  Speaker 19: about anything, is why is this happening with people with depression?
• 55:27
  Speaker 19: Our parents and grandparents went through a heck of a
• 55:29
  Speaker 19: lot more than we ever have. Let's tell you, they
• 55:32
  Speaker 19: weren't depressed. I don't say they didn't have depressed days,
• 55:35
  Speaker 19: but they weren't depressed. They got up and they moved
• 55:39
  Speaker 19: and they went and they did everything every single day.
• 55:44
  Speaker 19: Every single day. And I'm tired of everybody making excuses
• 55:48
  Speaker 19: for these depressed people. Hey, I was on some serious
• 55:52
  Speaker 19: psych meds, and they didn't help.
• 55:54
  Speaker 11: No.
• 55:56
  Speaker 19: Really? Yeah, and I almost killed myself getting off of them.
• 56:01
  Speaker 13: Oh.
• 56:01
  Speaker 8: No.
• 56:02
  Speaker 19: But I feel better than I ever have.
• 56:06
  Speaker 8: Good.
• 56:06
  Speaker 19: Because I was never really depressed, really.
• 56:09
  Speaker 13: Really.
• 56:10
  Speaker 19: I just needed to eat better and exercise and do
• 56:12
  Speaker 19: the things you need to do to keep your.
• 56:14
  Speaker 18: Life in order.
• 56:15
  Speaker 2: So eating better and exercising snapped you out of it? Ooh,
• 56:19
  Speaker 2: I'll stay depressed. Thank you.
• 56:21
  Speaker 19: I'm not saying there's never a time you might not.
• 56:23
  Speaker 2: No, sure.
• 56:24
  Speaker 5: Right.
• 56:25
  Speaker 3: But, yes.
• 56:25
  Speaker 19: 60% of the dang lib women taking some kind of
• 56:30
  Speaker 19: psych meds are being diagnosed with it.
• 56:32
  Speaker 14: Yeah.
• 56:32
  Speaker 19: You know, you've got an issue there.
• 56:35
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 56:36
  Speaker 5: It's not.
• 56:38
  Speaker 19: We need to take better care of ourselves. I guess
• 56:40
  Speaker 19: I'm Maha. Yeah. That's the truth. If you're healthy and fit,
• 56:48
  Speaker 19: and I don't mean you have to be Arnold Schwarzenegger
• 56:52
  Speaker 19: or anything, but if you're healthy and fit and you
• 56:56
  Speaker 19: take care of yourself, I guarantee those problems will be
• 56:59
  Speaker 19: taken care of.
• 56:59
  Speaker 4: Do you have to eat sauerkraut the way RFK does?
• 57:04
  Speaker 19: I wish I could.
• 57:05
  Speaker 11: No.
• 57:09
  Speaker 19: But no, I mean, come on, guys. We started eating
• 57:13
  Speaker 19: junk food about in the 70s. And what happened to depression?
• 57:18
  Speaker 2: Went up, seems like. Thanks, Carrie. Appreciate it. I'd like
• 57:22
  Speaker 2: to see the statistics on clinical depression in the, you know,
• 57:28
  Speaker 2: before the 70s, let's say, as opposed to what it's
• 57:32
  Speaker 2: like today. It would be interesting to see.
• 57:35
  Speaker 8: I'm sure we have a pretty good idea what it
• 57:36
  Speaker 8: would be.
• 57:37
  Speaker 2: I think it's probably higher now.
• 57:38
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 57:39
  Speaker 2: Would be my guess. And what are the causes of that?
• 57:42
  Speaker 2: We don't talk about, what is the root cause of that?
• 57:44
  Speaker 8: Well, we don't, but there's also, you know, I mean,
• 57:46
  Speaker 8: we have more people, and we have more people diagnosing people. Exactly.
• 57:52
  Speaker 2: And we have people who need people who are the
• 57:57
  Speaker 2: luckiest people in the world.
• 57:59
  Speaker 3: That was Kerry's point. Yeah.
• 58:02
  Speaker 2: Mel in Washington, welcome.
• 58:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 58:07
  Speaker 10: My perspective is, would the men rally around a man
• 58:11
  Speaker 10: who decided, man, this is just too much work taking
• 58:15
  Speaker 10: care of her and his kids?
• 58:17
  Speaker 2: In fact, there was a fairly recent example of that.
• 58:20
  Speaker 2: And I think the guy went straight to, like, did
• 58:24
  Speaker 2: he go straight to the electric chair? I think he
• 58:27
  Speaker 2: went from the court directly to the electric chair.
• 58:30
  Speaker 8: We had a case.
• 58:30
  Speaker 4: I think it was in one of the Carolinas.
• 58:33
  Speaker 8: Thanks, Mel.
• 58:33
  Speaker 2: No, a man would not receive this kind of sympathy.
• 58:36
  Speaker 10: No way.
• 58:36
  Speaker 3: Everybody knows that.
• 58:37
  Speaker 8: They're still looking for the one guy that killed his
• 58:39
  Speaker 8: two daughters out west. He went into the mountains, and
• 58:42
  Speaker 8: they're still looking for him.
• 58:44
  Speaker 2: And nobody's saying to him, hey, leave him alone. He
• 58:46
  Speaker 2: was probably not in a good mood that day. Not
• 58:48
  Speaker 2: a single person. Nobody's saying that. Hey, let him just
• 58:51
  Speaker 2: live out there in the mountains.
• 58:52
  Speaker 8: Let him be.
• 58:52
  Speaker 11: He's fine.
• 58:53
  Speaker 2: We chased him out of society. He can't hurt anybody.
• 58:55
  Speaker 2: Let him be.
• 58:56
  Speaker 8: He's having problems.
• 58:57
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 58:58
  Speaker 4: Nobody's saying that.
• 58:59
  Speaker 8: No one is saying that.
• 59:02
  Speaker 10: Nope.
• 59:03
  Speaker 2: Dana in Kansas, welcome.
• 59:05
  Speaker 5: Good morning, guys.
• 59:06
  Speaker 15: Hi.
• 59:07
  Speaker 18: I have the solution to the second... trial.
• 59:10
  Speaker 14: Okay.
• 59:11
  Speaker 18: Unbiased jurors and everything.
• 59:14
  Speaker 12: Mm-hmm.
• 59:15
  Speaker 5: Go grab the first.
• 59:16
  Speaker 13: Nine Amish men you can find.
• 59:18
  Speaker 4: Okay.
• 59:19
  Speaker 14: They'd have her convicted before they call her a witness.
• 59:22
  Speaker 10: Oh, yeah.
• 59:23
  Speaker 4: Jebediah, we'll get a couple.
• 59:24
  Speaker 8: Of Jebediahs out there. Yes, absolutely.
• 59:26
  Speaker 17: Yeah.
• 59:27
  Speaker 3: Yep.
• 59:27
  Speaker 2: If we could get them to take some time off
• 59:29
  Speaker 2: from churning butter, we could get them on a jury.
• 59:32
  Speaker 2: I can't. There's a lot of butter to churn, you know.
• 59:36
  Speaker 8: During Biden's administration, a lot of those got shut down,
• 59:39
  Speaker 8: so they're busy catching up.
• 59:41
  Speaker 3: Oh, that's true. It was the milk situation, right?
• 59:43
  Speaker 2: Milk and butter.
• 59:44
  Speaker 8: They came in and shut down all those things.
• 59:46
  Speaker 4: Yeah, they were taking fridges full of milk.
• 59:47
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 59:48
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 59:49
  Speaker 8: It was bad.
• 59:50
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 59:50
  Speaker 2: And then you don't have the taint on them because
• 59:53
  Speaker 2: they don't watch TV, right?
• 59:55
  Speaker 8: Correct.
• 59:56
  Speaker 2: So they don't have internet. They're not watching TV. They
• 59:59
  Speaker 2: don't know anything about it.
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 4: I get a little bit late every morning. So Pat,
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 4: you were asking about the rates of depression and there's
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 4: very few studies that go back as far as we
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 4: want them to. But if you, there's this one County
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 4: in Canada, that has the 1952. So they had about 5.2%
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 4: of the population diagnosed with clinical depression.
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 11: Okay.
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 4: Up to today, the most recent numbers were pushing 30%.
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 8: Wow.
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 3: Wow.
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 8: I think we see that. Yeah. We see that. It's
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 8: not worldwide for sure here in the Western Hemisphere for sure.
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 14: Yeah.
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 2: That's a huge increase. Debbie in Virginia. Hi, you're on
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 2: the blaze.
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 11: Good morning, everybody.
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 2: Morning.
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 11: I want to address the jurors. Whether they are intimidating
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 11: this one holdout juror.
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 4: A black man.
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 11: I'm never going to find another juror because she's going
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 11: to be retried. You're not going to have jurors to
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 11: want to come, but are going to be forced to
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 11: serve If they think this is how they're going to
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 11: be treated making one decision or another.
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 8: That's true with any case. That is true.
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 3: Especially true with this, I think.
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 8: Yeah, I don't know that they're going to.
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 3: Thanks, Debbie.
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 8: My bet is on this. They don't retry this. They
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 8: have to. I should make that bet on Kelsey.
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 2: If they don't retry it, what are they going to
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 2: do with her?
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 8: Just keep her in the mental institution? They'll make a
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 8: deal that she's going to be in an institution for
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 8: the next decade. We'll revisit it in eight years and
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 8: then that kind of thing.
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 4: Would that satisfy us if they make a deal where
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 4: she goes to the loony bin? Is that satisfaction?
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 2: For the rest of her life?
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 14: Yeah.
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 3: Then I think that'd be okay.
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 8: I know, but the deal is not going to be
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 8: for the rest of her life.
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 4: No, it's not going to be.
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 8: The deal is going to be for like we revisit.
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 2: It every five years in order to have that happen.
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 8: But I don't see them trying again. And I will
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 8: say that's a great point aside from this case. Great
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 8: point on jury pools. I mean, it's hard enough for
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 8: municipalities to find decent jurors these days.
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 3: I don't want to serve on a jury.
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 8: No one wants to serve on a jury. Everybody's trying
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 8: to get out of it.
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 4: I want to.
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 8: Do you? I know.
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 2: I do not.
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 8: I'm not crazy about it. I have before. But then
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 8: if you go in thinking that you're going to get
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 8: a case where you're going to have The world watching you? No, thanks.
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 2: I know.
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 2: And especially if you're going to be doxxed.
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 4: Doxxed?
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't want that.
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 8: Personally, I'm okay with that. Let's go. I can take it.
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 8: But a lot of people can't.
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 2: No, I know.
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 3: You're an incredible human being, Jeffy.
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 8: What a hero.
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 3: That's why you could take it.
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 4: Once again.
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 14: Hold on.
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 4: Write this day down.
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 14: 9-15-2026.
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 4: Jeff Fisher told he's an incredible human being. I'm going
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 4: to try to be. We will never see this happen again.
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 4: Such a humble guy last week.
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but incredible. Incredible. Seriously.
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 2: He could take it, but others, normal humans, they can't.
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 2: They can't take it. But fortunately, there's people like Jeff Fisher.
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 4: That can take it.
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 8: Thank you. Thank you.
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 2: Thank you.
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 8: Oh, my God. You are welcome. Thank you.
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 4: I know you didn't do it for the glory, but
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 4: you earned that.
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 8: Well, you did. I appreciate it.
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 3: You earned it. You deserve it.
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 2: You know, the air is getting crisp. In, like, Alaska. Where?
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 2: In the Arctic Circle.
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 8: It's going to be less than 100 here at the
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 8: end of the week.
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 2: End of the week, it's down to 98 degrees in Dallas, Texas.
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 2: We've hit 50 days with 100 degrees or more this summer.
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 4: There's going to be another one. It'll probably be about
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 4: 53 or so when it's all said and done. The
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 4: record is 71. So we're still short of that, but, boy,
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 4: it's been.
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 8: Typically, we only have 20 of those.
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 2: But still, we're over 100 degrees here in Dallas. So pretend.
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 2: Let's pretend for a minute that it's sweater weather and
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 2: our fall cookie lineup at Kexy just dropped. The brown
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 2: butter pumpkin. You were just asking about whether or not
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 2: we had the pumpkin flavor. It's the brown butter pumpkin.
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 4: Got it.
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 2: Real pumpkin, vanilla chips, just the right false spices, so
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 2: it does have the spices. Nice. And that homemade secret
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 2: recipe frosting on top, the soft center. Oh, it's absolutely delicious.
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 2: The banana bread hazelnut is a soft banana bread inspired
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 2: dough loaded with walnuts and chocolate chips stuffed with a
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 2: gooey Nutella center.
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 3: I love Nutella.
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 4: I love Nutella.
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 2: We ship nationwide. Just go to keksi.com to order. And
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 2: we got this from a customer who said some of
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 2: the best cookies ever. Went with the summer cookies and
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 2: our favorite snickerdoodle. We keep them in the fridge, bring
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 2: one out, put a little butter on it.
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 8: What is going on?
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 2: And then pop it in the microwave for about 30 seconds,
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 2: like fresh out of the oven. Did you guys change
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 2: the recipe or something? No, because some would say there's
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 2: plenty of butter to begin with. So I don't know
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 2: if I recommend the extra butter, but, you know, whatever.
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 8: You do you, boo.
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 2: You do you.
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 4: You do you.
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 2: Boo. Go to keksi.com to get yours. K-E-K-S-I.
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 1: Keksi.com pant gray unleashed sarcasm with zero calories returns after
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 1: this so.
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 16: I'm curious about the jurors themselves because we know it
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 16: was nine women, three men.
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 12: What was the age range? What was the racial makeup?
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 12: I haven't heard any of that. What was it?
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 9: 70-ish to 22. And one person of color and then
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 9: everybody else was white.
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 12: A lot of the jurors had children.
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 2: Uh-huh.
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 12: One person of color was a person of color, a
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 12: woman or a man?
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 18: A man. A man.
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 12: Is a holdout juror a black man?
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 17: Yes.
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 12: A black man is a holdout juror?
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 12: We'll have to sit with that for just a second.
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 4: Do you?
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 2: Do you? That's unbelievable. I know.
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 10: Why?
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 8: That's unbelievable.
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 2: Why do you have to sit with that for just
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 2: a second?
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 8: And no one is going to question her.
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 2: No, they're not. Except us.
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 10: Yeah.
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 4: How dare a black man be an independent thinker?
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 3: I know.
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 4: For the mob.
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 2: Did you let him off the Democrat reservation? Sure did.
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 3: Whoa.
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 21: Whoa.
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 2: How did that happen?
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 8: A black man thinks that it's wrong to kill three children?
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 3: How dare he?
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 8: I'm going to sit on that for a second.
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 4: That's a great quote. That's a great quote. I'm going
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 4: to sit on that for a second.
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 2: Okay, you sit with that, Gail. Let us know when
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 2: you're okay, when you've recovered.
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 4: And don't forget, Oprah, her little girlfriend, did that whole
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 4: thing a couple days before.
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 8: She had questioned all those women, yeah.
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 4: So, what a... Fantastic girl that is.
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 3: Wow. That's amazing.
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 2: Really something.
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 3: 888-933-93.
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 2: Just taking the temperature of the room right now. And
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 2: it seems to be pretty high.
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 3: No doubt.
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 2: Against Lindsay Clancy. You know, I guess that the whole mamby-pamby, oh, she's,
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 2: you know, depressed.
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 8: Struggling. So.
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 2: She's always... Look what she's been through.
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 8: She was such a great mom.
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 2: She killed her three children, and that's taken a toll
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 2: on her.
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 13: Really?
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 4: That's how they want us to see it.
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 12: I know.
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 5: I know.
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 4: That's exactly how they want us to see it.
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 3: Look at what she's been through.
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 4: She's in a wheelchair, Pat. She's already suffering.
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 3: Oh, yeah. That's right.
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 2: Who did that to her again? Was it the husband? No. No,
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 2: it was her. She herself. That's right. The Grinch leapt
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 2: out the window.
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 22: Something.
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 4: People say that the husband was the one that pushed
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 4: her out the window and he's the one that went
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 4: downstairs and did all the heinous things.
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah, except he's not. Except he's not.
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 8: I mean, even Lindsey's attorney has said that.
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 11: Yeah.
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 2: Finally, he came out last Thursday or Friday and said, stop.
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 2: Stop with attacking Patrick.
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 3: He didn't do it.
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 8: I hope he makes something out of the lawsuits against
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 8: the influencers that were all going after him. I don't
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 8: know that anything ever will come out of that.
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 4: Which is fascinating that the defense attorney said The husband
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 4: didn't do it.
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 14: It is.
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 8: Yeah, husband didn't do it. Lindsay, we know. Well, they admitted.
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 8: It's already been admitted that she did it.
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 2: Lindsay did it.
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 17: Yeah.
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 4: She said she did it. He said she did it.
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 4: Everybody says she did it. But there's still women who
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 4: know better.
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 2: Correct.
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 10: Yes.
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 8: In this country. She did it because as a woman,
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 8: she couldn't take it anymore.
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 11: Right.
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 2: Especially the littlest one, right?
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 1: Gosh.
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 8: I don't know. Just horrible.
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 3: Bizarre.
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 8: Just horrible.
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 2: Peter in Nevada. Welcome to The Blaze.
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 23: Hey, thanks for having me on, fellas.
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 10: You bet.
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 23: I'm so glad you guys finally found Mitch McConnell, too.
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 23: I noticed.
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 2: It's a relief.
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 23: But I just wanted to call in because I have
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 23: two kids and my ex. Well, she's not my ex.
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 23: She had post-traumatic part of depression after she had my son.
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 23: And I remember she called my Irish mother up in
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 23: New York. And at the time, I owned my own business.
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 23: And she was like, you know, I'm having depression problems. Peter,
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 23: will you help me more? And she was like, I
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 23: think you need to go out and get a job
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 23: and start working more and start complaining. Yeah, that I
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 23: was like, and she was like, well, that's what my
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 23: mom told you. I was like, yeah, well, back when
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 23: I was a kid growing in upstate New York, like.
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 23: If you complain to your parents, they would throw you
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 23: in the Hudson River. They would do that to you.
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 8: Go swim to the city.
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 3: Whether he would do.
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 23: It or not, I don't really know, but I'm just
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 23: saying that. There are ways around it, and killing your
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 23: kids is completely wrong. And as for the media and
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 23: those other people to go after that jury that had
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 23: some sense in his head about somebody killing their kids, dude,
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 23: that guy should be able to go to that lady's
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 23: house and beat up her husband.
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 4: Thanks, Peter.
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 8: That's awesome.
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 2: It's the old school way. You know, my mom was like,
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 2: get over it. I went through the depression. Get over it.
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 8: Dust yourself off.
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 2: Get up and move on with your life.
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 8: But mom, I have polio.
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but I don't feel good. Get over it. Okay.
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 2: And you kind of move on.
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 2: Right. I mean, people who went through. The Depression.
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 8: Yes.
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 2: And World War II. They don't have as much sympathy for,
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 2: you know, depression as others now.
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 8: No, they do not.
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 3: As the new generation does.
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 4: Like, oh, no.
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 3: Are you feeling badly today?
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 8: You know, throughout the years, and I absolutely have no
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 8: idea what the number is, but throughout the years, because
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 8: I only know of one mother who committed suicide, you know,
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 8: but the mother didn't take it out on the.
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 2: On the children, right.
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 9: Yeah.
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 2: I can think of somebody we know really well.
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 3: Whose mother committed suicide. Didn't take it out on the children.
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 5: Right. 888-900-3393.
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 2: More coming up.
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  Speaker 8: This is Pat Gray Unleashed.
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 2: Great to have you with us.
• 1:12:02
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• 1:12:02
  Speaker 3: Pat Unleashed on Twitter.
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 8: Wow.
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 2: We're just kind of going over the Lindsay Clancy situation.
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 2: End of the month, they decide whether or not they're
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 2: going to try this again. Jeffy doesn't think they're going to.
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 8: I don't. I don't think they're going to. It's too expensive.
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 8: It's going to be too much of a hassle.
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 4: Can you find a pool that is not tainted?
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 8: Yeah, it's too much of a hassle.
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 4: You have to do the Amish thing that someone already
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 4: called in with the idea.
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 8: They're not going to move it. What are you going
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 8: to do? They're not going to move it. And plus,
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 8: where do you move it if you... Consider moving.
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 2: I mean, the whole country knows about it now.
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 15: Right.
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 2: The whole country has an opinion on it.
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 8: Absolutely.
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 14: Yeah.
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 2: You'd have to move it to, I don't know, Zimbabwe.
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 4: And even there.
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 2: Even there they might know about it.
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 22: Okay.
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 4: I don't know.
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 3: I don't know.
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 2: So I guess we'll see.
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 8: We'll see.
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 2: That's a good point. I mean, it'd be hard to
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 2: find an untainted juror.
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 2: It is expensive, and we've already been down that road.
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 8: We have.
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 4: And even though we were not supposed to, or they
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 4: were not supposed to watch any news, you had jurors
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 4: coming in pink, wearing pink shirts.
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 8: I feel like they've been dancing around that by saying,
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 8: you know, one lady was talking about, I don't know
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 8: if it was in, you know, we cut her short,
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 8: which is fine by me. But at one point she
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 8: talked about, I felt like she almost slipped up because,
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 8: you know, we were, Because we weren't supposed to know
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 8: any of this. Oh, we didn't know any of this. Oh, yeah.
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 2: I feel like they did know. Oh, of course they did.
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 2: They wore pink in support of her.
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 8: Well, they wore pink. Come on.
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 4: That's not a color that you are in rotation.
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 8: No, your pink is not in rotation. Your pink is
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 8: not in rotation. No, that's a choice.
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 14: Yeah.
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 2: That's what I think. I think they knew. And they
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 2: formed their opinions.
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 8: And you hear the other ones talk about what the
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 8: power of, we knew it was a big case, our decision.
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 4: Yeah, we felt it.
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 8: Yeah, we felt it. We felt it. How did you
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 8: feel it?
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 18: Mm-hmm.
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 8: How did you feel it? Through TikTok or?
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 8: Instagram?
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 1: Both.
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 8: Yeah, okay.
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah, both.
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 4: And Facebook.
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 8: Don't forget. Yeah, Facebook. Yeah, those ladies have Facebook.
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 4: Yeah, those ladies have Facebook.
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 11: Ah.
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 3: Yeah, they do.
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 8: Yes, they do.
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 3: Yes, they do. Maybe even MySpace.
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 2: Some of them might have MySpace.
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 8: MySpace is trying to make a comeback. I know they are.
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 8: Everybody's coming.
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 2: I know they are.
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 4: They're on the way. They're like right at the gate.
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 4: They're like, we're ready?
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 2: We're ready. We're going to wait until we drop this.
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 9: Yes.
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 2: The new MySpace.
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 8: That's it.
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 4: We're ready.
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 2: It's going to be a sensation that you've never seen
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 2: the like of.
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 10: No, no.
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 4: So can't wait. Tom is coming back. Tom is coming back.
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 8: Tom?
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 4: MySpace Tom? MySpace Tom.
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 2: Oh, MySpace Tom.
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 4: Yes, the guy that when you created a MySpace, he
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 4: was the automatic first person.
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 8: Yeah, he was the first person that followed you. Wow.
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 8: Because everybody has to have a follower.
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 8: Okay.
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 3: Well, that'll be fun.
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 2: Won't that be fun?
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 8: You say that like you didn't have a MySpace.
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 2: Is that what I sound like?
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 4: Yeah, you sound like Mr.
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 3: Twitter.
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 4: I still don't do Instagram, Twitter, TikTok. None of you
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 4: think I did MySpace? Wait, has this all been a lie?
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 4: Mitch McConnell's staff, is that you? You do threads every day.
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 2: Threads, I'm all over threads. That's the one social media.
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 8: MySpace was like the first one. Everybody jumped in on that.
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 2: Not everybody.
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 4: I did not have a MySpace, ever.
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 5: Wow.
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 3: Wow.
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 8: You guys are tough to talk to.
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 2: We're rebels, I guess.
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 3: I guess so.
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 2: What I was in on was, what was that thing
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 2: called that was the precursor to iTunes?
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 8: LimeWire? No.
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 14: Napster.
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 4: Napster. Oh, Napster.
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 4: Had Napster.
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 15: Yeah.
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 5: Wow.
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 2: Time out.
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 3: Hold on.
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 2: Do I have a flag to throw on the field?
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 4: Pat Gray would never accept a burned CD from me
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 4: back in the day, but yet he.
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 2: Was on Napster?
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 3: I was on Napster.
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 4: Because the thought at the time was that you didn't want.
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 2: To receive stolen goods from me. Right, I did not
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 2: want to. That's right.
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 8: Oh my gosh.
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 2: Shut up! But you were on Napster?
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 8: That's embarrassing.
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 2: I don't know if I ever downloaded any music from Napster,
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 2: but I remember it. So why did you have Napster?
• 1:16:40
  Speaker 4: I don't know.
• 1:16:40
  Speaker 2: I don't remember.
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 8: I don't remember now. It's interesting how it changes.
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 3: Your Honor.
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 4: Is that you? The statute of limitations, I believe, is passed, Pat,
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 4: if you want to be honest about your Napster downloads.
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 11: I do.
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 2: I don't know how many downloads I did. I remember
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 2: Napster being kind of iffy though. It had things and
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 2: some things it had, it didn't have others. Right.
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 4: Uh, for the stuff that was missing, you had to
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 4: download LimeWire and then connect them both. And then you
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 4: had a full library.
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 2: Oh, really? Yes, sir. Don't know what LimeWire I've never,
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 2: I don't think I've ever even heard of it.
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 13: Yeah.
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 4: It's a pirated website.
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 8: We could get all.
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 2: Cool.
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 8: I remember, uh, you weren't supposed to be able to
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 8: record a VHS to a VHS. If you rented it
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 8: from Blockbuster, they had that block on there. But if
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 8: I played the Blockbuster tape through my camera into the VCR,
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 8: I could record it.
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 4: Yes, you could.
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 5: Really?
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 8: I didn't do that. Once I found that out, I
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 8: went to Blockbuster and told them, people can do this.
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 3: Oh, wow.
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 2: Just want you to know. What a good citizen.
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 8: Thank you. Thank you.
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 2: So you didn't steal any movies?
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 8: I immediately stopped when I realized you could do it.
• 1:17:59
  Speaker 2: This is a historic day.
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 4: Jeffy has been called a great human being and a
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 4: good citizen all at the same time.
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 11: Wow.
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 2: What kind of day is this? All right.
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 3: 888-933-93.
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 2: Let's go to Peter in Utah.
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 3: Hey, Peter. Welcome.
• 1:18:14
  Speaker 10: Hi.
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 8: Hi.
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 14: Are you guys doing well this morning?
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 3: We are.
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 8: Fine. I think we're okay.
• 1:18:21
  Speaker 2: Well, we were. We've got an itchy.
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 4: Trigger finger on the phone.
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 8: Go ahead.
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 3: What's up?
• 1:18:27
  Speaker 14: Well, my comment is, what about the father of the
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 14: children that were killed? Will he ever be able to
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 14: trust women again?
• 1:18:40
  Speaker 8: Well, the answer to that is yes, he's remarried and
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 8: she's pregnant.
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 2: So yeah, that kind of answers that question.
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 3: Thanks, Peter.
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 2: Although, you know, he almost instantly forgave her, right?
• 1:18:52
  Speaker 14: Yeah.
• 1:18:53
  Speaker 2: Didn't he?
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 3: Divorced her, but he still.
• 1:18:56
  Speaker 8: The one juror talked about how he on the stand
• 1:19:00
  Speaker 8: wasn't saying anything terrible about her.
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 2: No.
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 3: He's supposedly forgiven her.
• 1:19:04
  Speaker 14: Yeah.
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 3: I don't know.
• 1:19:07
  Speaker 2: That's a tough one.
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 8: That's a real tough one.
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 4: I know we're supposed to all forgive as Christians, but
• 1:19:11
  Speaker 4: I need a little bit more time.
• 1:19:12
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 4: Just a little bit more time.
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 14: Yeah.
• 1:19:16
  Speaker 2: Tom in Florida.
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 4: Welcome. Hey, Pat.
• 1:19:20
  Speaker 2: Hey.
• 1:19:21
  Speaker 23: Just want to say, with all the doxing of the
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 23: juries and the judges, I can see a scenario at
• 1:19:27
  Speaker 23: some point where we turn over the judicial system to AI.
• 1:19:31
  Speaker 8: And have them make decisions.
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 13: Hmm.
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 2: And before you know it- Wouldn't that be interesting?
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 5: Yes.
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 2: That's how our laws are going to be made.
• 1:19:39
  Speaker 3: Absolutely. Thanks, Tom.
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 8: Because AI is not going to be wrong.
• 1:19:42
  Speaker 2: Right. It's going to be objective. It's just going to decide.
• 1:19:45
  Speaker 2: Completely objective. We're not letting emotion get into it at all.
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 8: Follow the laws. Yep. And if you want to argue it,
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 8: you can argue it, but you have to go in front.
• 1:19:54
  Speaker 2: Of the- That's an interesting thought.
• 1:19:56
  Speaker 4: It is very interesting.
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 1: Wow.
• 1:19:58
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 1:19:59
  Speaker 2: I mean- I think it's going to completely take over. Eventually,
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 2: we won't be allowed to drive cars, right? They'll turn
• 1:20:06
  Speaker 2: that over. We've talked about that a long time ago.
• 1:20:08
  Speaker 8: Yeah, absolutely. It's the humans that are the problem.
• 1:20:10
  Speaker 2: And then we won't be allowed to make decisions on juries.
• 1:20:13
  Speaker 8: It's the humans that are the problem.
• 1:20:15
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:20:15
  Speaker 8: No question.
• 1:20:18
  Speaker 4: Speaking of car driving, I haven't driven my car. I've
• 1:20:21
  Speaker 4: been on... I only drive....
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 2: You told us 5%, I think.
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 9: 5%.
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:20:27
  Speaker 4: And now we're getting there because now I'm 95.4% of
• 1:20:31
  Speaker 4: having my cars drive me.
• 1:20:33
  Speaker 8: Yeah, there you go.
• 1:20:34
  Speaker 4: So it's creeping up.
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 2: So why do you occasionally take the wheel?
• 1:20:38
  Speaker 4: I don't like the parking spot that it picked for me. Oh.
• 1:20:44
  Speaker 2: Dude's honest.
• 1:20:46
  Speaker 8: I will say I followed him out of the parking
• 1:20:49
  Speaker 8: lot yesterday. I was very, I was a little angered
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 8: at the, Going out, there was no traffic. There was
• 1:20:55
  Speaker 8: no need to come to a complete freaking stop.
• 1:20:57
  Speaker 4: It's a stop sign.
• 1:20:58
  Speaker 8: Get out of here.
• 1:20:59
  Speaker 4: Let's go. You have to come to a complete stop.
• 1:21:01
  Speaker 8: You have to come to a complete stop and wait
• 1:21:03
  Speaker 8: and look at both ways, just like your mommy taught you. Yes.
• 1:21:07
  Speaker 4: Can I just, you just reminded me, Chris. I was standing,
• 1:21:10
  Speaker 4: there was an open parking spot, and I was out
• 1:21:12
  Speaker 4: talking on the phone in front of a building. And
• 1:21:14
  Speaker 4: this lady in a Tesla was trying to back into
• 1:21:17
  Speaker 4: the spot. And she had to open up her door
• 1:21:19
  Speaker 4: and ask me if I could move so that her
• 1:21:22
  Speaker 4: car would back up. I was up on the curb,
• 1:21:24
  Speaker 4: but her stupid car didn't realize that I wasn't standing
• 1:21:27
  Speaker 4: in the parking spot. Is that seriously a problem? Could
• 1:21:30
  Speaker 4: she not have just taken it over? Well, she could
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 4: have taken it over, yeah. But safety.
• 1:21:34
  Speaker 2: That's pathetic.
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 8: But safety, she didn't want to hurt you.
• 1:21:36
  Speaker 4: She didn't want to hurt you.
• 1:21:37
  Speaker 8: What are you doing standing in front of the parking space?
• 1:21:39
  Speaker 2: I was up on the curb. I just said that.
• 1:21:41
  Speaker 2: My goodness.
• 1:21:42
  Speaker 4: If the car's not that smart, then... Well, you're right.
• 1:21:45
  Speaker 4: They're going to tell us.
• 1:21:46
  Speaker 2: They are. It's not safe for humans to drive.
• 1:21:49
  Speaker 4: If you get Tesla insurance, your rate will be lower
• 1:21:53
  Speaker 4: the more you use the full self-driving.
• 1:21:56
  Speaker 2: Oh, it's really expensive otherwise, isn't it?
• 1:21:58
  Speaker 4: Oh, yes, it is.
• 1:21:59
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 1:22:01
  Speaker 2: Ellen in Michigan.
• 1:22:03
  Speaker 3: Hi, you're on the blaze.
• 1:22:04
  Speaker 15: Welcome.
• 1:22:05
  Speaker 5: How are you today?
• 1:22:07
  Speaker 3: Oh, we're great. And you?
• 1:22:08
  Speaker 24: You guys are awesome. I listen to you every morning.
• 1:22:11
  Speaker 24: I just wanted to mention and add on to the
• 1:22:14
  Speaker 24: fact that that lady that called about the women that
• 1:22:18
  Speaker 24: are depressed and that they need to work out and
• 1:22:21
  Speaker 24: change their life. The biggest thing, problem here today, I'm
• 1:22:26
  Speaker 24: 64 years old, okay? The biggest problem here today is
• 1:22:29
  Speaker 24: social media. And they did not mention that one time
• 1:22:32
  Speaker 24: in the Clancy trial.
• 1:22:33
  Speaker 8: No, they didn't.
• 1:22:34
  Speaker 24: I bet you anything that was a big deal.
• 1:22:37
  Speaker 14: Yep.
• 1:22:38
  Speaker 2: I bet you're right.
• 1:22:38
  Speaker 8: Thanks, Ellen. That's very possible. Yeah, they did mention it.
• 1:22:41
  Speaker 8: They didn't talk about Lindsay being hooked on social at all,
• 1:22:46
  Speaker 8: which is very possible that she was. I mean, we
• 1:22:48
  Speaker 8: obviously don't know because they didn't mention it at all.
• 1:22:53
  Speaker 8: It's weird that they didn't mention it at all.
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 4: Okay, so I asked Grok, I said, what would you
• 1:22:59
  Speaker 4: recommend as the sentence for Lindsay Clancy after all the
• 1:23:01
  Speaker 4: information that is available must fall within the parameters of
• 1:23:04
  Speaker 4: Massachusetts law? Kroc comes back with, I recommend a finding
• 1:23:08
  Speaker 4: of not criminally responsible followed by secure, renewable psychiatric commitment
• 1:23:13
  Speaker 4: under Massachusetts, not a prison sentence because that's the lawful
• 1:23:17
  Speaker 4: disposition the statute already provides, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
• 1:23:21
  Speaker 2: So not criminally responsible, though. That's not guilty by reason
• 1:23:25
  Speaker 2: of insanity.
• 1:23:26
  Speaker 4: Locked up in a site. Locked up.
• 1:23:27
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 1:23:28
  Speaker 4: Forever?
• 1:23:28
  Speaker 2: Does it say? Let's see, because it's lawful disposition. So
• 1:23:33
  Speaker 2: hold on.
• 1:23:35
  Speaker 4: Because if it's renewable psychiatric commitment, then it's every so
• 1:23:39
  Speaker 4: for life?
• 1:23:40
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 1:23:40
  Speaker 2: Or how often are you renewing? Yeah, thank you. Let
• 1:23:43
  Speaker 2: me just see.
• 1:23:47
  Speaker 4: Let's just see how quickly the agents come back with it.
• 1:23:50
  Speaker 2: But you're right.
• 1:23:51
  Speaker 4: I mean, this is where we're headed as a society.
• 1:23:53
  Speaker 4: Not an automatic life sentence. First commitment, oh gosh, up
• 1:23:57
  Speaker 4: to six months. Six months? Then it can be renewed
• 1:24:01
  Speaker 4: in one year periods with no limit on how many
• 1:24:03
  Speaker 4: times for as long as a court keeps finding mentally ill.
• 1:24:06
  Speaker 2: No, that's not enough. No. And where is Grok getting
• 1:24:09
  Speaker 2: that from?
• 1:24:10
  Speaker 3: Is that in the statute?
• 1:24:11
  Speaker 2: Six months?
• 1:24:12
  Speaker 8: Maybe.
• 1:24:13
  Speaker 4: Is six months in the statute? Because then wouldn't we have,
• 1:24:16
  Speaker 4: let's say, the same case we had like in the
• 1:24:18
  Speaker 4: 60s where she was cured and then she got remarried,
• 1:24:22
  Speaker 4: had three kids and killed them the same way? Oh,
• 1:24:25
  Speaker 4: Grok says that's in the statute.
• 1:24:27
  Speaker 14: Yeah.
• 1:24:27
  Speaker 2: That's not its take.
• 1:24:29
  Speaker 24: Oh, wow.
• 1:24:29
  Speaker 4: It has to be. So it is taken in. Shall
• 1:24:31
  Speaker 4: be valid for six months.
• 1:24:32
  Speaker 2: Section 16C. First time. Six months.
• 1:24:35
  Speaker 4: And then, and then. That one-year renewal is the way
• 1:24:39
  Speaker 4: it would play out based on Massachusetts rates. I don't
• 1:24:42
  Speaker 4: like that.
• 1:24:42
  Speaker 2: That is unacceptable.
• 1:24:43
  Speaker 4: I don't like that at all. Never mind. We're not
• 1:24:45
  Speaker 4: going to give it to AI.
• 1:24:46
  Speaker 15: No.
• 1:24:47
  Speaker 8: Wow.
• 1:24:49
  Speaker 3: All right.
• 1:24:49
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  Speaker 1: This is Pat Gray Unleashed.
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  Speaker 2: All right. Let's go to Julie in Florida. Julie, welcome
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  Speaker 2: to the place.
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  Speaker 8: Hello, guys.
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  Speaker 17: How are you this morning?
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  Speaker 8: Doing good.
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  Speaker 11: I remember another case like this from being from was
• 1:26:20
  Speaker 11: living in Orlando at the time. And she got off
• 1:26:23
  Speaker 11: Casey Anthony.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah.
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  Speaker 5: Oh, yeah.
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  Speaker 8: Yeah.
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  Speaker 21: Yeah.
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  Speaker 12: And it reminds.
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  Speaker 22: Yeah.
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  Speaker 17: And now she's got like, I think she's married with kids.
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  Speaker 11: Yeah. I mean, she's living her life.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, wow.
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  Speaker 8: I mean, she only killed one. Yeah. Yeah.
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  Speaker 11: Okay.
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  Speaker 2: Wow. And she's so she just back out on the street.
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  Speaker 8: Yep.
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  Speaker 2: With it with a child. Wow, that's something else. I
• 1:26:46
  Speaker 2: don't know that I knew that.
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  Speaker 3: Thanks, Julie.
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  Speaker 8: Wow, that's... That was the Casey Anthony case. It was
• 1:26:51
  Speaker 8: a big case in Florida because they looked for the baby.
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  Speaker 8: She had it buried. She had it buried.
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 4: She knew everything.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: It was all a ruse. So I don't remember what
• 1:27:00
  Speaker 2: the verdict was in that. Was it not guilty by
• 1:27:03
  Speaker 2: reason of insanity or what?
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  Speaker 8: That's a good question. I don't remember.
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  Speaker 4: Sheesh.
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  Speaker 8: I didn't have to find out.
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  Speaker 1: Wow.
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  Speaker 2: I was just reading about another really bizarre case. It
• 1:27:13
  Speaker 2: was one of the first school shootings. It was the
• 1:27:17
  Speaker 2: case that the Boomtown Rats wrote the song I Don't
• 1:27:21
  Speaker 2: Like Mondays about.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: She was 16 years old, and she lived across the
• 1:27:26
  Speaker 2: street from an elementary school. And she went out on
• 1:27:32
  Speaker 2: her porch one day and started shooting at people at
• 1:27:35
  Speaker 2: the elementary school, killed two adults, injured eight children. And
• 1:27:39
  Speaker 2: when reporters got a hold of her on the phone—
• 1:27:44
  Speaker 2: They asked her why she did it. She said, I
• 1:27:45
  Speaker 2: don't like Mondays. And she went to jail. She was
• 1:27:50
  Speaker 2: tried as an adult and sentenced to 25 years to life. Well,
• 1:27:55
  Speaker 2: she's still in prison now. So we're 47 years down
• 1:27:58
  Speaker 2: the road. And she's been turned down for parole eight times,
• 1:28:03
  Speaker 2: seven or eight times. And so you can actually stay
• 1:28:10
  Speaker 2: incarcerated for a really long time. even if they've only
• 1:28:14
  Speaker 2: sentenced you to 25 years.
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  Speaker 8: Interesting.
• 1:28:17
  Speaker 2: That is, wow.
• 1:28:18
  Speaker 4: And Casey Anthony was found not guilty.
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  Speaker 2: Not guilty. Of first degree murder, aggravated.
• 1:28:24
  Speaker 4: Child abuse, and aggravated manslaughter and the death of her daughter, Kaylee.
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  Speaker 8: Yeah, they found her.
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  Speaker 4: She was found guilty of four misdemeanor counts of providing
• 1:28:30
  Speaker 4: false information to law enforcement.
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  Speaker 11: What?
• 1:28:32
  Speaker 4: Sentenced to one year on lying, each lying count, four
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  Speaker 4: years total. Received credit for time already served and was released.
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  Speaker 2: On July 17th, 2011.
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  Speaker 4: Gosh, that's amazing. Keep in mind that the jury sent
• 1:28:45
  Speaker 4: their ruling back on July 5th, 2011, so she was
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  Speaker 4: out 12 days later.
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  Speaker 3: Wow.
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  Speaker 14: Wow.
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  Speaker 5: Wow.
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  Speaker 4: Just whatever, man.
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  Speaker 2: That's incredible.
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  Speaker 8: It's insane.
• 1:28:57
  Speaker 2: But it just shows you that this Lindsay Clancy thing
• 1:29:00
  Speaker 2: is not an isolated incident.
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  Speaker 5: Right.
• 1:29:02
  Speaker 2: We've got this problem in our society.
• 1:29:04
  Speaker 4: Society.
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  Speaker 2: Cheryl in Florida. Welcome.
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  Speaker 12: Good morning.
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  Speaker 21: Blessings to all four of you. I came here and
• 1:29:14
  Speaker 21: see that you're doing great. And I'm so excited to
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  Speaker 21: be on. I told them. The screener that my name
• 1:29:21
  Speaker 21: was Sherry, because I go by Sherry with my family
• 1:29:23
  Speaker 21: and I so need Pat to sing to me. But
• 1:29:25
  Speaker 21: what I want to say is that I'm on two
• 1:29:27
  Speaker 21: of the meds that Lindsay Clancy was on. I have
• 1:29:29
  Speaker 21: post PTSD.
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  Speaker 8: Okay.
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  Speaker 21: And if I had done anything like that, I would
• 1:29:37
  Speaker 21: walk into the courtroom, you know, hands forward saying, give
• 1:29:40
  Speaker 21: me lethal injection. I couldn't live with myself. What are
• 1:29:45
  Speaker 21: you going to do next in your life?
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  Speaker 14: Yeah.
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  Speaker 17: What are your goals?
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  Speaker 21: I mean, come on. Just freaking kill me. If I
• 1:29:53
  Speaker 21: did that, I would be begging for the needle.
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  Speaker 8: Well, I mean, technically, Lindsay Clancy did try to do that, right?
• 1:30:04
  Speaker 8: She threw herself out the window. Now, many have made
• 1:30:06
  Speaker 8: the case that she was not really hoping to kill herself,
• 1:30:10
  Speaker 8: but by all accounts, she did cut herself and throw
• 1:30:16
  Speaker 8: herself out a window trying to end it.
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  Speaker 13: Yeah.
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  Speaker 8: It just didn't happen.
• 1:30:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Well, but so now, though, she wants to be sent home, right?
• 1:30:26
  Speaker 2: She wants to be released. I don't know.
• 1:30:28
  Speaker 4: Because we haven't heard anything from her.
• 1:30:31
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:30:32
  Speaker 2: That's true.
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  Speaker 4: Other than the pardon.
• 1:30:34
  Speaker 2: I'm just assuming.
• 1:30:35
  Speaker 8: Right.
• 1:30:35
  Speaker 2: Since her lawyer is fighting so hard for her that
• 1:30:37
  Speaker 2: she does want to be.
• 1:30:38
  Speaker 4: And he wants a presidential pardon for her. Yeah.
• 1:30:41
  Speaker 11: Yeah. Yeah.
• 1:30:42
  Speaker 2: And like the president told him, that's not a federal case.
• 1:30:46
  Speaker 2: Can't do anything for you.
• 1:30:47
  Speaker 8: So I wish I could. Take care.
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  Speaker 3: Bye-bye. Let's see.
• 1:30:51
  Speaker 2: Steve in Ohio.
• 1:30:52
  Speaker 4: Welcome.
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  Speaker 15: The one lady kind of stole my thunder, but I
• 1:30:58
  Speaker 15: was kind of wondering with all this talk about depression,
• 1:31:01
  Speaker 15: if there had been any talk about how much time
• 1:31:04
  Speaker 15: she spent on her phone and on social media and
• 1:31:06
  Speaker 15: if that contributed to any of it.
• 1:31:09
  Speaker 2: Great question, and I don't know. I didn't really hear
• 1:31:12
  Speaker 2: anything along those lines.
• 1:31:13
  Speaker 8: Again, I don't watch every minute of the trial, so
• 1:31:15
  Speaker 8: maybe the prosecution who apparently put on a terrible case
• 1:31:21
  Speaker 8: tried to bring it in, tried to get it in.
• 1:31:23
  Speaker 8: I just don't know. It would seem like she would
• 1:31:26
  Speaker 8: have an issue, but again.
• 1:31:29
  Speaker 3: Who knows?
• 1:31:30
  Speaker 8: Yeah, we don't know.
• 1:31:30
  Speaker 3: Yeah, who knows?
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  Speaker 2: Jeff in Wisconsin, welcome.
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  Speaker 10: Hey, good morning.
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  Speaker 14: Hey.
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  Speaker 5: Hey, how about we have robots on the jury?
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  Speaker 4: Mm-hmm.
• 1:31:40
  Speaker 8: Yeah. Okay.
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  Speaker 14: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I mean.
• 1:31:43
  Speaker 8: Use AI.
• 1:31:44
  Speaker 2: Robots, AI. I think we're probably going to head in
• 1:31:48
  Speaker 2: that direction eventually. As soon as this becomes more prevalent.
• 1:31:55
  Speaker 4: More useful?
• 1:31:56
  Speaker 2: I'm going to, yeah. As soon as it's perfected.
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  Speaker 21: Yep.
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  Speaker 2: Or as soon as they run the place, whatever. Or
• 1:32:04
  Speaker 2: as soon as they destroy humanity, they'll be doing, you know,
• 1:32:07
  Speaker 2: they'll be... Wait, now you've gone too far. They'll be
• 1:32:10
  Speaker 2: taking over. He's going too far. Now, I don't know
• 1:32:14
  Speaker 2: why I would think that when we just had, what's
• 1:32:17
  Speaker 2: his face, just quit OpenAI.
• 1:32:20
  Speaker 4: Oh, yeah.
• 1:32:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Was it anthropic because they're too out of control and
• 1:32:27
  Speaker 2: he can't be a part of it anymore?
• 1:32:29
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:32:30
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Hopefully tomorrow we can touch on what the president has
• 1:32:34
  Speaker 4: been saying about AI and the vice president as well.
• 1:32:37
  Speaker 4: This is fishy, the way these companies are. Oh, no,
• 1:32:42
  Speaker 4: we need regulation, please. Jump in here and save us
• 1:32:46
  Speaker 4: from ourselves, government.
• 1:32:48
  Speaker 8: Well, we kind of do.
• 1:32:50
  Speaker 4: Kind of need help saving ourselves from AI?
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  Speaker 16: Okay.
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  Speaker 8: I mean, there has to be some kind of guardrails
• 1:32:56
  Speaker 8: put on.
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  Speaker 4: Well, just you wait, and the regulation will come, and
• 1:33:00
  Speaker 4: there will be big winners, and they will be all
• 1:33:02
  Speaker 4: the people right now who are saying, regulate us, please,
• 1:33:07
  Speaker 4: because that will shut the door on everyone else.
• 1:33:09
  Speaker 2: Mark Zuckerberg's very famous for that.
• 1:33:11
  Speaker 10: Yes, he is.
• 1:33:12
  Speaker 2: Remember when he was fighting for internet regulation?
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  Speaker 9: Yeah.
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  Speaker 8: Okay.
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  Speaker 3: All right, Mark.
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  Speaker 2: I know. Thanks so much. I think the J.D.
• 1:33:18
  Speaker 4: Vance clip, I don't know if you want to play
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  Speaker 4: it now or save it for tomorrow, but I think that.
• 1:33:22
  Speaker 2: Is exactly right. If you want to hear that.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:33:25
  Speaker 8: Clip 13.
• 1:33:25
  Speaker 4: I think this is, it's a home run here.
• 1:33:30
  Speaker 7: Are you concerned at all about the developments with AI
• 1:33:33
  Speaker 7: and the calls over the weekend by Sam Altman and
• 1:33:35
  Speaker 7: Dario Amade to cause the development of artificial intelligence?
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  Speaker 25: You know, it's something that we're concerned by, but we
• 1:33:40
  Speaker 25: want to make sure that we actually regulate smartly and
• 1:33:44
  Speaker 25: we're thoughtful about the risk here. So there are obviously
• 1:33:47
  Speaker 25: risks to AI.
• 1:33:48
  Speaker 22: There are some.
• 1:33:49
  Speaker 25: Benefits to AI. I have to say just personally, I
• 1:33:53
  Speaker 25: feel a little bit weird about the fact that you
• 1:33:56
  Speaker 25: have so many frontier AI tech companies kind of coming
• 1:34:00
  Speaker 25: to the government and begging the government to regulate them.
• 1:34:03
  Speaker 25: It feels a little bit to me like a bit of.
• 1:34:05
  Speaker 2: A Trojan horse.
• 1:34:05
  Speaker 25: So I think we just have to be careful about this.
• 1:34:09
  Speaker 25: The other thing the president said pretty consistently is we
• 1:34:11
  Speaker 25: know that the Chinese are engaged in this long term
• 1:34:14
  Speaker 25: AI race against the United States. We want to make
• 1:34:16
  Speaker 25: sure the United States, we do things smartly, but we
• 1:34:19
  Speaker 25: stay ahead.
• 1:34:19
  Speaker 5: Of the curve.
• 1:34:20
  Speaker 10: Yeah. Yeah.
• 1:34:22
  Speaker 2: That would be nice. If we could do things smartly
• 1:34:25
  Speaker 2: and stay ahead of the curve, that would be great.
• 1:34:28
  Speaker 2: So if that's really what they're trying to do, I'm
• 1:34:31
  Speaker 2: all about that. It's going to be very difficult. Very,
• 1:34:35
  Speaker 2: very difficult.
• 1:34:36
  Speaker 4: Because China is not going to slow down. If that's
• 1:34:38
  Speaker 4: what these companies really.
• 1:34:40
  Speaker 2: Are after, if they're actually afraid that AI could end
• 1:34:44
  Speaker 2: humanity and they want to slow down and make sure
• 1:34:48
  Speaker 2: that they've got guardrails and they do slow down, The
• 1:34:52
  Speaker 2: Chinese aren't going to.
• 1:34:53
  Speaker 4: But when have we looked at tech heads as this
• 1:34:57
  Speaker 4: moral authority and these beacons of light?
• 1:35:02
  Speaker 2: This is very odd.
• 1:35:04
  Speaker 3: It is odd.
• 1:35:05
  Speaker 2: However, we're up against something right now that we've never
• 1:35:09
  Speaker 2: experienced before.
• 1:35:10
  Speaker 8: Give it guardrails to take care. We still want it
• 1:35:12
  Speaker 8: working on health and we still want it working on
• 1:35:14
  Speaker 8: a few other things.
• 1:35:15
  Speaker 2: And serving on juries, apparently.
• 1:35:17
  Speaker 8: Okay.
• 1:35:19
  Speaker 18: All right.
• 1:35:20
  Speaker 8: And after this last debacle in Massachusetts, okay.
• 1:35:25
  Speaker 14: Yeah.
• 1:35:25
  Speaker 8: And we wanted to do a number of other things.
• 1:35:27
  Speaker 8: Then the other stuff can be kind of backed off
• 1:35:30
  Speaker 8: a little bit. I think it might work. Wow.
• 1:35:35
  Speaker 3: Look at the optimistic one over here.
• 1:35:38
  Speaker 2: Jeff Fisher. What a weird day for you.
• 1:35:40
  Speaker 4: It's going to be a weird day. In all seriousness,
• 1:35:45
  Speaker 4: which municipality, which state is going to be the first
• 1:35:47
  Speaker 4: to implement AI juries?
• 1:35:48
  Speaker 2: Because that will be the first domino.
• 1:35:50
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 1:35:52
  Speaker 10: All right.
• 1:35:53
  Speaker 2: We've got overtime coming up. See you tomorrow.
• 1:35:55
  Speaker 8: This is Pat Gray Unleashed.