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The Kenny Report | 29 April · The Kenny Report

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  Speaker 1: Line from the Skying New Center. This is the Kenny Report.
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  Speaker 2: So you're going to be a busy time for Ross
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  Speaker 2: in coming weeks. Thanks for joining me. Inflation jumps higher again,
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  Speaker 2: interest rates will follow, and the cost of living crisis
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  Speaker 2: escalates as labour spins political lies about budget savings. The
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  Speaker 2: war in the Middle East is one factor, with fuel
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  Speaker 2: prices adding to the inflation problem, but electricity too continues
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  Speaker 2: to hurt the country. I'll show you how labor could
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  Speaker 2: spend our dollars more wisely, and the King and the
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  Speaker 2: US President reaffirm the special relationship between the US and
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  Speaker 2: the UK.
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  Speaker 3: History is known no more powerful for US than the
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  Speaker 3: combination of American patriotism and British pride.
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  Speaker 2: I'll cross to the UK for reaction. Plus an Anzac
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  Speaker 2: dawn servers Boer exposed, Pauline Hansen set to soar higher,
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  Speaker 2: and the Wednesday wrangle with Dnika and Justin let's get
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  Speaker 2: into it, batten down the hatches. Inflation has jumped more
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  Speaker 2: than one percent in a month, interest rates are set
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  Speaker 2: to go up again, and the cost of living.
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  Speaker 1: Crisis is getting worse.
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  Speaker 2: Labor is promising to deliver a responsible budget, something it
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  Speaker 2: always promises but never delivers, and for now we can
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  Speaker 2: only expect things to get worse. The monthly jump has
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  Speaker 2: taken annualized inflation from three point seven percent in February
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  Speaker 2: to four point six percent last month. That's the highest
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  Speaker 2: inflation for three years, continuing the rising trend, which is
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  Speaker 2: not over yet, and that means underlying inflation, the most
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  Speaker 2: important number for the Reserve Bank remains at three point
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  Speaker 2: three percent, well outside it's two to three percent target range.
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  Speaker 2: That means where odds on to see another interest rate
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  Speaker 2: rise from the RBA next week or at its next
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  Speaker 2: monthly meeting. These numbers do reflect higher fuel prices because
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  Speaker 2: of the war in the Middle East, and they don't
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  Speaker 2: cover the period since the fuel excise was halved.
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  Speaker 4: We already had an inflation challenge in our economy. We
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  Speaker 4: know that before the conflict, but the tick up in
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  Speaker 4: the monthly headline data today was driven by the conflict,
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  Speaker 4: and this war could drive inflation up even higher before
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  Speaker 4: it comes back down again.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and as Chalmers said, there were already inflation challenges
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  Speaker 2: in the economy, largely the record government spending and its
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  Speaker 2: complete mismanagement of the electricity grid by pushing climate goals
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  Speaker 2: ahead of energy needs. In fact, the surge in electricity
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  Speaker 2: costs was even higher in March than the increase in fuel.
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  Speaker 2: Household and personal accessories also drove the consumer price index higher,
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  Speaker 2: along with education and housing costs. But while Labour knows
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  Speaker 2: it's got a problem, it really seems to have no
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  Speaker 2: idea about a solution.
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  Speaker 4: When interest rates go up, obviously it puts more pressure
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  Speaker 4: on people, and that's why we take our responsibilities so seriously.
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  Speaker 4: The budget will have more savings in it, it will
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  Speaker 4: have more spending restraint in it.
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  Speaker 2: More savings, more spending restraint. That's the problem. This mob
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  Speaker 2: have never saved a cent. They continue with record spending,
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  Speaker 2: most of it baked into the budget forever. But listen
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  Speaker 2: to the delusion from the Prime Minister today.
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  Speaker 5: We've put one hundred and fourteen billion dollars of savings
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  Speaker 5: already work made. That's one hundred and fourteen billion dollars
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  Speaker 5: more than the former government had in their last budget
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  Speaker 5: because they had zero.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, he always tries to play politics, make the party
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  Speaker 2: political point, But what about that claim one hundred and
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  Speaker 2: fourteen billion dollars in savings. What the hell was that
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  Speaker 2: they're spending more than ever. Remember, his finance minister was
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  Speaker 2: caught out running that line in February. Watch and listen
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  Speaker 2: to this excruciating exchange about your tax dollars.
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  Speaker 6: You said, there's been one hundred and fourteen billion dollars
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  Speaker 6: of savings across your budgets. Is that net savings or
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  Speaker 6: gross savings?
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  Speaker 7: Well, it's savings and reprioritizing, so we're saving and then
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  Speaker 7: real essentially to offset new priorities.
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  Speaker 6: So you're saying that's net of spending decisions. You reduced
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  Speaker 6: expenditure of one hundred and fourteen billions growth figure, it's gross, right,
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  Speaker 6: What is the net figure?
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  Speaker 7: I don't have that available.
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  Speaker 1: Is it positive or negative?
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  Speaker 6: Well, I just don't have that figure.
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  Speaker 8: In front of me.
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  Speaker 1: Well she did.
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  Speaker 2: Really any government minister would know, as has been confirmed,
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  Speaker 2: there were no net savings. She is running a figure
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  Speaker 2: of one hundred and fourteen billion dollars that labor has
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  Speaker 2: taken from one program or another and reallocated somewhere else,
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  Speaker 2: so there have been no savings at Albow ran the
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  Speaker 2: same nonsense, the same political lie today, claiming one hundred
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  Speaker 2: and fourteen billion dollars that simply does not exist. It's
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  Speaker 2: like me quitting spending one hundred dollars a week on cigarettes,
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  Speaker 2: then spending that hundred dollars on booze instead and claiming
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  Speaker 2: I found one hundred dollars in weekly savings.
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  Speaker 1: It's just nonsense.
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  Speaker 2: Labor is increasing spending and increasing the size of government
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  Speaker 2: at every turn.
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  Speaker 1: And another area.
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  Speaker 2: Where labor was fueling inflation last month and last year
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  Speaker 2: and will be again next month and.
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  Speaker 1: Next year, is in electricity costs.
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  Speaker 2: Determined to pretend it can save the planet, it's pushing
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  Speaker 2: electricity prices ever upwards through its renewables push, even though
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  Speaker 2: it promised to cut prices by two hundred and seventy
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  Speaker 2: five dollars a year. Remember that, what a con And
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  Speaker 2: just to highlight the point, labor is proceeding with Malcolm
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  Speaker 2: Turnbull's disastrous boondoggle of Snowy Hydro two point zero. We
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  Speaker 2: now know it will cost at least twenty one times
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  Speaker 2: the two billion dollars that Turnbull promised, and it can
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  Speaker 2: only force prices up further, as energy expert Bruce Mountain
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  Speaker 2: explained last night.
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  Speaker 8: Unless government imposes almost all of this on taxpays, I
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  Speaker 8: eat almost all of it on taxpayers. Electricity prices will
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  Speaker 8: have to go up. It'll be unprofitable from day one.
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  Speaker 8: So unless they put it on taxpayers, almost all of
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  Speaker 8: it on taxpayers, it will simply sit as an enormous
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  Speaker 8: deadweight on electricity consumers.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that forty two billion dollars forty two thousand million
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  Speaker 2: dollars will have to be reclaimed with a profit margin
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  Speaker 2: from electricity consumers. And remember this does not add a
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  Speaker 2: single what of power generation to our system. It's a
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  Speaker 2: storage system. It aims to supply more renewable energy when
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  Speaker 2: we need it, shifting it in time, but not adding
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  Speaker 2: to overall capacity. So ask yourself this, how could forty
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  Speaker 2: two billion dollars be better spent for our electricity grid's future,
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  Speaker 2: even on the reckoning of the government's own agencies. You
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  Speaker 2: could build at least four one thousand megawatt nuclear electricity
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  Speaker 2: plants for that money. They would provide reliable power emissions
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  Speaker 2: free twenty four to seven for at least seventy five years.
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  Speaker 1: Or you could build at least.
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  Speaker 2: Ten one thousand megaw coal fired generators, providing cleaner power
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  Speaker 2: than existing coal plants and operating reliably for decades to come.
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  Speaker 2: Or another option is you could have those emissions and
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  Speaker 2: build up to twenty one thousand megawatt gas generation plants
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  Speaker 2: around the country that could cut in and out as required.
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  Speaker 2: That's how you could spend forty two billion dollars wisely.
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  Speaker 1: Instead your tax.
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  Speaker 2: Dollars have been digging tunnels for eight years already, with
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  Speaker 2: plenty more to come in a project that will produce
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  Speaker 2: more in price increases than it ever does in generating capacity.
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  Speaker 2: And we wonder why inflation is a problem and the
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  Speaker 2: economy is under pressure. More on booing at Anzac day
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  Speaker 2: dawn services. It's a free country, of course, as I've said,
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  Speaker 2: but I'm still astonished that anyone would stoop so low.
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  Speaker 2: And the good news is that Channel seven caught up
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  Speaker 2: with one of the Sydney dawn service interrupters yesterday.
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  Speaker 1: He was unrepentant.
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  Speaker 9: Out of the shadows and into the light. I want
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  Speaker 9: to talk to you about your b Three days after
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  Speaker 9: a remembrance service that will be hard to forget, we
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  Speaker 9: decide to say boo to Sydney's accused Anzac agitator. Why
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  Speaker 9: did you boo at those poor at the dawn service.
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  Speaker 9: He is twenty four year old Eli Toby, and while
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  Speaker 9: you mightn't have seen him. Police will allege you most
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  Speaker 9: certainly heard him.
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  Speaker 2: Eli Toby refused reporter Clementine Kuneo's invitations to apologize for
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  Speaker 2: his dawn antics. He was door stopped in suburban Sydney,
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  Speaker 2: where apparently he lives with his parents.
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  Speaker 1: I haven't told him yet. How rather you guys not tell?
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  Speaker 9: But the secret's out and not for the first time.
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  Speaker 9: Here he is at last year's Neo Nazi rally outside
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  Speaker 9: Parliament House.
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  Speaker 1: The Wakorn country. It's not right?
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  Speaker 9: Why is it not right?
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  Speaker 10: I just want designed to humiliate the memory of what Australia.
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  Speaker 2: Really the memory of white Australia. Seems a lovely young man,
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  Speaker 2: doesn't he. But there is another aspect of this incident
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  Speaker 2: and the police response that troubles me. Toby has been
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  Speaker 2: charged with creating a nuisance at a war memorial and
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  Speaker 2: he's due to face court in June. Now I'm glad
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  Speaker 2: Channel seven exposed to expose this bloke. He deserves the
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  Speaker 2: shaming or the chance to explain his alleged actions.
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  Speaker 1: But charges.
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  Speaker 2: This raises clear questions about the priorities of our law
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  Speaker 2: enforcement authorities, doesn't it. I mean, have a look at
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  Speaker 2: this hatred in Sydney on October the twenty twenty three.
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  Speaker 11: It's a day of courage, the.
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  Speaker 2: Celebrating the murder of innocence, which of course can only
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  Speaker 2: encourage more of the same. On that occasion, no police action,
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  Speaker 2: no charges were laid. The next night at the opera
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  Speaker 2: House where some heard gas the Jews, we all heard
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  Speaker 2: f the Jews and where's the Jews? And there was
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  Speaker 2: no police response. They arrested no one on the night
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  Speaker 2: or subsequently after reviewing the footage. And then we saw
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  Speaker 2: this at Bondai last September YEP, Like tens of thousands
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  Speaker 2: of people on the streets in recent years, these people
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  Speaker 2: chanted for into Farda, that is terrorism against Israel and Jews.
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  Speaker 1: And again there was no police response, no arrests.
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  Speaker 2: And three months after that chanting at Bondai into Farda
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  Speaker 2: arrived with fifteen people shot dead and dozens of others
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  Speaker 2: suffering gunshot wounds. And this week police arrested and charged
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  Speaker 2: someone for booing. But apparently you can threaten, abuse and
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  Speaker 2: incite violence against Jews with impunity. The police will stand
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  Speaker 2: by and watch, and the politicians will let them try.
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  Speaker 1: Telling me this country has not lost its way.
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  Speaker 2: One Nation is continuing to soar high in the opinion polls,
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  Speaker 2: and now it's taking to the sky as well. Pauline
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  Speaker 2: Hansen has suddenly increased her national campaigning ability by getting
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  Speaker 2: herself a light aircraft. The Cyrus G seven single engine
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  Speaker 2: plane is state of the art. It costs one point
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  Speaker 2: three million dollars and has been delivered courtesy of Australia's
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  Speaker 2: richest person, Gina Reinhardt, with two of her executives, Ian
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  Speaker 2: Plymer and former Northern Territory Chief Minister Adam Giles, each
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  Speaker 2: handing over checks for half a million dollars. Former Liberal
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  Speaker 2: donors stockbroker Angus Aiken and wife Sarah have tipped in
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  Speaker 2: a million dollars too.
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  Speaker 1: In a video, Giles made the announcement an ode to
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  Speaker 1: Pauline Hansen.
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  Speaker 10: Your resilience is the fuel for the One Nation part.
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  Speaker 10: This is about providing the wings for a movement that
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  Speaker 10: refuses to let the heart of this country be silenced.
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  Speaker 10: This aircraft is not for joy rides. This aircraft is
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  Speaker 10: for the battle for Australians. Let this plane be a
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  Speaker 10: symbol to every Australian that help is on its way
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  Speaker 10: and the journey has only just begun.
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  Speaker 2: It's gonna be kind of handy and necessary, given Hansen
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  Speaker 2: plans to run candidates in every seat at the next
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  Speaker 2: federal election. And it's all out in the open in
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  Speaker 2: terms of donations, as it should be. But check out
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  Speaker 2: the dare I say it Trumpian social media post from
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  Speaker 2: Hanson herself today. She says, I've got a new plane.
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  Speaker 2: Yes it was donated. Yes, I'm super happy. Yes it's fast,
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  Speaker 2: Yes it's amazing. Yes it's gonna annoy the Guardian. Yes
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  Speaker 2: it means I can visit more regional towns across the
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  Speaker 2: country more often. Yes it's a serrus g sefen. Yes
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  Speaker 2: it's sexy. Yes I have a pilot, and no I
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  Speaker 2: won't be doing Welcome to Country in each town they
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  Speaker 2: land in, presumably is what she meant there.
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  Speaker 1: And no, it's not battery operated. Hanson also said.
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  Speaker 2: To keep an eye out for her maiden voyage.
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  Speaker 1: Pop in the sky.
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  Speaker 11: It's a burge, it's Superman. Yes it's Superman, strange visitor
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  Speaker 11: from another planet.
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  Speaker 1: No, it's Pauline Hanson and she's only flown in from Queensland.
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  Speaker 1: Apparently that maiden flight has already happened, and we'll see
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  Speaker 1: it on social media soon. Let's hope it's a bit
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  Speaker 1: smoother than her maiden speech thirty years ago. Let's catch up.
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  Speaker 2: Now with Shadow Foreign Minister Ted O'Brien. Thanks for joining us, Ted.
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  Speaker 2: I know you're on foreign affairs now and I'll get
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  Speaker 2: to that in a moment. But the first question I
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  Speaker 2: want to ask you relates to the economy. Of course
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  Speaker 2: you're a former shadow treasurer. What is your take of
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  Speaker 2: the inflation numbers today, what they'll do to interest rates
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  Speaker 2: and where they're heading in coming months.
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  Speaker 1: Great to be with you, Chris Well.
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  Speaker 7: The market is certainly pricing in further increases in interest rates.
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  Speaker 7: I have to say though, that the Australian people shouldn't
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  Speaker 7: just be looking at the Reserve Bank here. They need
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  Speaker 7: to look at the government. Unfortunately, we went into this
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  Speaker 7: economic crisis triggered by the conflict in Iran very ill prepared.
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  Speaker 7: Unlike other countries, Inflation in Australia was on the rise,
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  Speaker 7: interest rates on the rise because government spending in over
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  Speaker 7: forty years.
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  Speaker 1: Outside of recession.
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  Speaker 7: This has meant that this time, unlike the GFC, unlike
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  Speaker 7: COVID where the coalition had the books in balance, this
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  Speaker 7: time we enter an economic crisis that has us very
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  Speaker 7: ill prepared, and unfortunately it will only get worse from here.
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  Speaker 2: The level of government spending has to be driving this.
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  Speaker 2: The Reserve Bank has sat as much. Economists have been
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  Speaker 2: warning about.
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  Speaker 1: This for years. Yet we have the ridiculous.
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  Speaker 2: Scandal really of the Prime Minister of this nation today
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  Speaker 2: saying that he's made one hundred and fourteen billion dollars
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  Speaker 2: worth of budget savings.
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  Speaker 1: Where on earth is that one hundred and fourteen billion
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  Speaker 1: dollars Chris? He is absolutely full of it.
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  Speaker 7: This government has had the largest revenue windfall in Australian history,
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  Speaker 7: around four hundred billion dollars of unexpected revenues coming into
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  Speaker 7: the coffers, and instead of doing the right thing and
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  Speaker 7: ensuring that debt is paid down, they put their hand
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  Speaker 7: in the cookie jar and baked it into the budget.
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  Speaker 1: And this is the problem.
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  Speaker 7: That is why we just continue to see discretionary spending
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  Speaker 7: by this government increasing. It's why debt's just about hit
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  Speaker 7: one trillion dollars and yet we still see over a
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  Speaker 7: decade of deficits plan. This is a government that only
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  Speaker 7: a few months ago at my IFO so their mid
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  Speaker 7: year economic update, they didn't find any net savings because
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  Speaker 7: they are addicted to spending, and the more they spend,
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  Speaker 7: the higher prices go up right across the economy because
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  Speaker 7: the government ends up competing with households and businesses. This
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  Speaker 7: is on the government. We should have been well prepared
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  Speaker 7: for this crisis. Four hundred billion dollars of a windfall
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  Speaker 7: would have put.
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  Speaker 1: Us in a wonderful position.
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  Speaker 7: But compared to our peers around the world, Australia is
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  Speaker 7: poorer and weaker, and of course our overdependent on energy
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  Speaker 7: is ensuring our supply chains are hurting more than they.
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  Speaker 2: Should, notwithstanding your criticism of them not being better prepared
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  Speaker 2: when it comes to fossil fuels to liquid fuels for
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  Speaker 2: this country. Obviously, the Middle East War has fueled the
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  Speaker 2: most recent rise in inflation, but so to have electricity costs,
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  Speaker 2: and this is another apart from their own spending. Surely,
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  Speaker 2: the complete mismanagement of the le electricity grid, forcing up
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  Speaker 2: prices relentlessly rather than cutting them by two hundred and
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  Speaker 2: seventy five dollars is a big factor in the inflationary pressures.
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  Speaker 1: It's enormous.
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  Speaker 7: Chris Well over twenty twenty four to twenty five percent.
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  Speaker 7: I believe electricity continues to be a major driver of problem.
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  Speaker 7: Small businesses in my electric here on the Sunshine Coast
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  Speaker 7: are closing down because they cannot.
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  Speaker 1: Pay their utility bills. It's that simple.
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  Speaker 7: And yet the government refuses to face reality. They refuse
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  Speaker 7: to accept the fact that they are driving the Australian
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  Speaker 7: economy into the ground and electricity has a lot to
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  Speaker 7: do with it. And you know, I heard some of
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  Speaker 7: your comments before. I think you're talking about Bruce Mountain's
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  Speaker 7: work looking at some of the analysis that the cost
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  Speaker 7: of the transmission line, the network charges, they're going to
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  Speaker 7: go out of control. It will only get worse, which
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  Speaker 7: is why we don't just need this suddenly changed a
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  Speaker 7: little bit. We need a fundamental shift in energy in
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  Speaker 7: this country and that means.
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  Speaker 1: To be proud of the resources we have.
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  Speaker 7: This government is ashamed of the fossil fuels that we have,
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  Speaker 7: and yet we've got the Prime Minister and the Foreign
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  Speaker 7: Minister traveling the country the world now begging for the
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  Speaker 7: very fuels they have demonized over the last four years.
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  Speaker 1: That's why we're in the problem we are. They're ashamed
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  Speaker 1: of uranium as well.
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  Speaker 2: But I want to move on to Foreign Affairs now
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  Speaker 2: and you would have watched with keen interest. As King
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  Speaker 2: Charles the third spoke in Washington addressed the Congress and
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  Speaker 2: historic address, but with reports of waning enthusiasm for ORCUS
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  Speaker 2: in the US, you must have been pleased to see
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  Speaker 2: the King say this.
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  Speaker 12: We are building f thirty fives together and we have
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  Speaker 12: agreed the most ambitious submarine program in history ORCUS, and
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  Speaker 12: we are doing it in partnership with Australia, a country
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  Speaker 12: which I'm also immensely proud to serve as sovereign.
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  Speaker 2: That's a pretty handy push along from the King to
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  Speaker 2: the President, isn't it?
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  Speaker 7: Great words from the King And it was also great
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  Speaker 7: to hear the applause coming from both sides of the
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  Speaker 7: Congress in the United States. UCUS, I think is probably
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  Speaker 7: the largest and most important legacy of the former coalition
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  Speaker 7: government and the United States, the UK and Australia. It
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  Speaker 7: is a formidable partnership and here we have a very
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  Speaker 7: bold and ambitious program with ORCUS.
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  Speaker 1: We are working.
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  Speaker 7: Together, but it's going to take all three countries to
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  Speaker 7: remain absolutely focused on the delivery. And that is why
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  Speaker 7: in Australia we are calling on this government to increase
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  Speaker 7: the spending in defense so we do not cannibalize other
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  Speaker 7: capabilities we need in order to deliver.
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  Speaker 2: Just briefly, isis linked women due to arrive in Australia soon?
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: Would you be surprised if any of the adults are
• 21:59
  Speaker 2: not at least a rest and interrogated before they do
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: anything else.
• 22:04
  Speaker 7: There's been a couple of reports today that we might
• 22:06
  Speaker 7: see two of them arrested. Of course that would be welcomed,
• 22:09
  Speaker 7: but there are questions to be answered about what about
• 22:11
  Speaker 7: the others exactly. Of course, if this was a good
• 22:13
  Speaker 7: news story, the responsible Minister Tony Burke, he'd be down
• 22:17
  Speaker 7: at the airport, he'd be meeting them, he'd be doing selfies,
• 22:20
  Speaker 7: doing press conferences. But instead this minister has gone to ground,
• 22:24
  Speaker 7: and that is because he is up to it to
• 22:26
  Speaker 7: his eyeballs. He has been deeply involved in the repatriation here.
• 22:30
  Speaker 7: The evidence speaks to that because it's his personal friend
• 22:34
  Speaker 7: and supporter who has been trying to facilitate their passage
• 22:38
  Speaker 7: back to Australia. He's previously done the same thing with
• 22:40
  Speaker 7: other third parties behind closed doors, kicking out departmental officials
• 22:44
  Speaker 7: as he does agreements to repatriate Isis people to Australia.
• 22:49
  Speaker 7: The government needs to face up to the facts, don't
• 22:51
  Speaker 7: take Australian for Australians for mugs, and just be honest
• 22:54
  Speaker 7: with the Australian people, especially those communities who will have
• 22:58
  Speaker 7: to be hosting the return of these Isis sympathizers.
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: Thanks for joining us, ted O Brian. I appreciate it.
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: Tedo Brian, There the Shadow Foreign Affairs Minister. Just before
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: we go to Alexander Downer and take up some of
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: the Middle East issues. Further, I want to show you
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: what Donald Trump posted on social media overnight when it
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: comes to the Middle East. On truth social he said,
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: Iran has just informed us that they are in a
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: state of collapse.
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: They want us to open the holl mills.
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: Straight as soon as possible as they try to figure
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: out their leadership situation, which I believe they will be
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: able to do.
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: Thank you for your attention to this matter, President Donald J. Trump.
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: Let's go to Alexander Downer now joining us live from Adelaide.
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: Thanks for joining us, Alexander.
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: What do you make of that little nugget dropped into
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: a busy day of diplomacy in Washington?
• 23:51
  Speaker 13: Yeah, so well, if we're to take it on face value,
• 23:55
  Speaker 13: it's quite promising. It's what I was saying on this
• 23:58
  Speaker 13: program last week. I've got to remember that the Iranian
• 24:02
  Speaker 13: economy is in a state of complete collapse. GDP is
• 24:08
  Speaker 13: declining this year by at least four, five or six percent,
• 24:13
  Speaker 13: the inflation rate is running at more than fifty percent,
• 24:18
  Speaker 13: and they're not able to sell their oil because they
• 24:22
  Speaker 13: can't get it out of the Strait of Homus. So
• 24:27
  Speaker 13: you know, they're in a catastrophic economic situation and it's
• 24:33
  Speaker 13: that which the Americans are pressurizing them with. And it's
• 24:37
  Speaker 13: also worth remembering that the IRGC who basically run Iran,
• 24:44
  Speaker 13: have got their fingers very deeply into the pie of
• 24:48
  Speaker 13: the economy. They particularly control the oil economy, and they're pocketing.
• 24:56
  Speaker 13: They have been pocketing substantial shares of the oil revenues,
• 25:01
  Speaker 13: so they will be losing out big time now.
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: It is quite encouraging, isn't it.
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: Because not to oversimplify, but there are two main potential
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: directions here. One is that the US, with Israel helping,
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: will have to launch another major military assault targeting all
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: sorts of regime targets in Iran. The other is that
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: this squeeze, this blockade, does force a change in leadership,
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: perhaps even the end of the of the regime, but
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: certainly a change in leadership and approach from them. And
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: it seems like everything we're hearing, both from Islamabad and
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: from the President suggests that that, you know, that sort
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: of a peaceful outcome, if I could put it that way, could.
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: Be within grasp.
• 25:46
  Speaker 13: Absolutely. I mean what the media, the media is so
• 25:49
  Speaker 13: much of the media not this chunnel, but so much
• 25:53
  Speaker 13: the media hate President Trump and hope that the Iranians
• 25:57
  Speaker 13: will win. But actually, in truth, the Americans have got
• 26:02
  Speaker 13: the Iranians in a vice.
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: Now.
• 26:05
  Speaker 13: They are almost totally dependent on aill exports and they
• 26:09
  Speaker 13: need to export through the Strait of holl Moves. So sure,
• 26:14
  Speaker 13: they're stopping shipping to other countries going through the Strait
• 26:18
  Speaker 13: of holl Moves, but the Americans are stopping them in effect,
• 26:22
  Speaker 13: blockading their ports, and so their economy is in a
• 26:27
  Speaker 13: state of almost total collapse. As I've said, either they
• 26:32
  Speaker 13: come to the negotiating table and meet you know, some
• 26:36
  Speaker 13: of the terms, if not most of the terms that
• 26:39
  Speaker 13: the Americans are laying down, or else their economy will
• 26:43
  Speaker 13: just keep going backwards, and in the end, the public,
• 26:46
  Speaker 13: the Iranian public, won't tolerate that, I suspect very much longer.
• 26:52
  Speaker 13: So this is my point. The Americans, the Trump administration,
• 26:58
  Speaker 13: have got the Iranian regime in a vice now, and
• 27:03
  Speaker 13: the Iranians have got to think of a way out
• 27:05
  Speaker 13: of this.
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: Well.
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: Donald Trump, during the state visit of King Charles the
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: Third in Washington, seemed to try and I don't know
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: whether verbal is the right term, but he tried to
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: write back King Charles into his arguments over Iran.
• 27:19
  Speaker 3: Have a look, and we're doing a little Middle East
• 27:22
  Speaker 3: work right now too, if you might know, and we're
• 27:24
  Speaker 3: doing very well. We have militarily defeated that particular opponent,
• 27:30
  Speaker 3: and we're never going to let that opponent ever. Charles
• 27:34
  Speaker 3: agrees with me even more than I do. We're never
• 27:37
  Speaker 3: going to let that opponent have a nuclear weapon. They
• 27:39
  Speaker 3: know that, and they've known it right now, very powerful.
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: Charles agrees with Donald Trump even more than Donald Trump
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: agrees with Donald Trump.
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: That would be impossible, I would have thought.
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: But is there any chance that Kirstarma has a scent
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: of message that suggests that Britain might be a little
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: bit to have a little bit more steel in its
• 27:58
  Speaker 2: spine than we've seen in the past.
• 28:00
  Speaker 13: So President Trump is completely right. Of course, the British
• 28:06
  Speaker 13: government doesn't want Iran to have a nuclear weapon. They
• 28:10
  Speaker 13: are totally opposed to Iran but developers.
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: So they don't want to do anything about it. And
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: well that's right.
• 28:18
  Speaker 13: That for political reasons. That's another story why they don't
• 28:22
  Speaker 13: do anything about it. And they've damaged their relationship with
• 28:26
  Speaker 13: the United States by not helping the United States, in
• 28:29
  Speaker 13: particular by refusing to allow the United States initially to
• 28:35
  Speaker 13: use British bases such as RAF Fairford in the UK,
• 28:42
  Speaker 13: but also Diego, Garcia and Cyprus. So you know, they've
• 28:47
  Speaker 13: damaged their relationship. But I'm sure the King will the
• 28:51
  Speaker 13: King will restore the relationship quite successfully, because whatever President
• 28:56
  Speaker 13: Trump thinks of Keir Starmer, he loves the Royal family.
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: It sure does like you do, and as you know
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: I do as well, perhaps not as much shod shod.
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: Thanks for joining me, Alexander down I appreciate it. Australia's
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: longest serving foreign minister. I'm going to have a lot
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: more later in the program. Will cross to Esthercracker in
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: the UK to talk a lot more about what's happened
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: in Washington with the President and the King. But after
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: the break we're going to talk more about how the
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: Iranian embassy here in Australia is playing a nefarious role.
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: Don't go away.
• 29:33
  Speaker 2: As I mentioned on Monday, an alarming revelation that the
• 29:36
  Speaker 2: Iranian embassy here in Australia has still been playing a
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: the farious role communicating with Iranians here. According to Muhammad
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: our Fairies in the Australian, a cryptic telegram message shared
• 29:50
  Speaker 2: by the embassy last week urged participation in.
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: A John Farder or martyrdom campaign.
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: John Farder is a potent Persian term referencing to sacrifice,
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: and it's closely associated with the concept of martyrdom. In Iran,
• 30:05
  Speaker 2: it's used to describe people willing to lay down their
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: lives for the regime, often in devotion to defending around
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: sovereignty against threats. Let's welcome to the desk again, Tina
• 30:16
  Speaker 2: called Astromi, an Iranian Australian human rights advocate also a
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: counselor at RIDE Council here in Sydney. Good to talk
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: to you again, Tina, tell us about John Fatda and
• 30:24
  Speaker 2: tell us about this telegram message, what you know about it,
• 30:28
  Speaker 2: who was sent to and what it was supposed to
• 30:31
  Speaker 2: encourage them to do?
• 30:33
  Speaker 14: So, John Fada, it translates into sacrificing your life and
• 30:38
  Speaker 14: it's a term that's been used since the revolution. It
• 30:41
  Speaker 14: shows your loyalty to the regime. You are you know,
• 30:45
  Speaker 14: martyring yourself. We found this message a close contact of mine,
• 30:49
  Speaker 14: dude within the embassy's telegram page, and this message has
• 30:53
  Speaker 14: been sent to everyone globally, basically saying if you are
• 30:57
  Speaker 14: interested in sacrificing your life and helping out the campaign,
• 31:01
  Speaker 14: the cause within the Iran the regime, you are more
• 31:05
  Speaker 14: than welcome to go through this link, access different options
• 31:09
  Speaker 14: as to what you can do to support us and
• 31:12
  Speaker 14: take it from there. So they're treating it like a
• 31:14
  Speaker 14: very simple campaign.
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: Could that be a call for donations or assistance of
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: that kind or could it be a call to terrorism.
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: Both.
• 31:24
  Speaker 14: They are asking for money, they are asking for physical support.
• 31:28
  Speaker 14: This is basically them grabbing onto whatever they have left.
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: Well, how shocked were you to find out that this
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: message was being sent by an embassy in Australia to
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: Australian Iranians.
• 31:40
  Speaker 14: Shocked, disappointed. But again these days we are becoming more
• 31:45
  Speaker 14: and more numb to anything that comes from this regime
• 31:47
  Speaker 14: in Australia. How much more do we need to see
• 31:51
  Speaker 14: from this regime before we actually decide that we need
• 31:54
  Speaker 14: to start cutting ties with them.
• 31:56
  Speaker 2: Well, let's talk about that, because we know the ambassador
• 31:59
  Speaker 2: was expelled last year with three other.
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: Diplomats who were linked to the IGC.
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: We believe, yet I was shocked through this story to
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: find out that the embassy is still operating. The Foreign
• 32:11
  Speaker 2: Minister Pennywong has not gotten back to us, but the
• 32:13
  Speaker 2: Department has said, effectively, it's there to help their diplomatic
• 32:17
  Speaker 2: channels and to help Iranian Australians here with the consular issues.
• 32:21
  Speaker 2: Shouldn't that embassy be closed given what Iran has been
• 32:24
  Speaker 2: up to.
• 32:24
  Speaker 14: Definitely, Iran does not recognize dual nationality. We have closed
• 32:29
  Speaker 14: the embassy within Iran itself. As you said, we kicked
• 32:33
  Speaker 14: out and deservingly ridiculed the ambassador last year, so we
• 32:36
  Speaker 14: have pretty much completely ruined any political relationship we've had
• 32:41
  Speaker 14: with the country.
• 32:42
  Speaker 2: So by this embassy staying open, it couldn't be doing
• 32:44
  Speaker 2: any good. It could only be working against Australian interests.
• 32:47
  Speaker 14: Couldn't it absolutely relegitimizing a regime which has no care
• 32:50
  Speaker 14: for human rights. It's completely symbolic its presence as they
• 32:54
  Speaker 14: have no leverage through the embassy. It really begs the question,
• 32:59
  Speaker 14: what are we not being tought our governments? We're barely
• 33:01
  Speaker 14: making anything free trade deals with Iran. We have had
• 33:04
  Speaker 14: Iranians in Australia time and time again take onto our streets,
• 33:08
  Speaker 14: more than ten thousand people in every state showing their
• 33:10
  Speaker 14: dismissal of the regime. So who are we keeping this
• 33:14
  Speaker 14: embassy open?
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: For?
• 33:15
  Speaker 2: Final question? Not much time, so a quick answer, if
• 33:18
  Speaker 2: you could getting much information out of Iran? Are you
• 33:20
  Speaker 2: able to know the internet's been shut down? Is there
• 33:23
  Speaker 2: any suggestion of a move against the regime back in Iran?
• 33:28
  Speaker 14: People are always wanting to work against the regime. However,
• 33:32
  Speaker 14: right now they are more desperate than anything. They are
• 33:35
  Speaker 14: desperate because they don't have basic needs, basic aids that
• 33:40
  Speaker 14: could support them within their day to day lives. They
• 33:43
  Speaker 14: are living within a state that can't even know. They're
• 33:47
  Speaker 14: not able to access their work. Often they're not able
• 33:49
  Speaker 14: to go to school. Often they're in this array. You
• 33:52
  Speaker 14: can't expect them right now to have you know, an
• 33:55
  Speaker 14: uprising like we saw a few months ago, but they
• 33:57
  Speaker 14: will always be ready to work against the regime.
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: Tina, thanks for joining us again. We'll keep in touch.
• 34:02
  Speaker 2: Tina caught Australian there who's become a powerful spokeperson for
• 34:06
  Speaker 2: the Iranian community here in Australia.
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: We've got to get to a break now.
• 34:10
  Speaker 2: On the other side, I'll cross to the UK and
• 34:11
  Speaker 2: catch up with Esther Cracker to get her take on
• 34:14
  Speaker 2: the King and the President, reaffirming the special relationship. Quite
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: a few laughs from both King Charles and the President.
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: Don't go away.
• 34:26
  Speaker 2: There was plenty of pomp and circumstance in Washington overnight
• 34:29
  Speaker 2: with the state visit by King Charles the Third. His
• 34:32
  Speaker 2: address to Congress was historic, and that was also a
• 34:35
  Speaker 2: pretty good speech.
• 34:37
  Speaker 12: This is a city which symbolizes a period in our
• 34:40
  Speaker 12: shared history, or what Charles Dickens may have called a
• 34:45
  Speaker 12: tale of two George's the first President George Washington and
• 35:01
  Speaker 12: my five times great grandfather, King George the Third. King
• 35:05
  Speaker 12: George as your name never set foot in America, and
• 35:10
  Speaker 12: please rest assured I am not here as part of
• 35:15
  Speaker 12: some cunning rear guard action, and.
• 35:21
  Speaker 2: The King was well received, even by the Democrats, who
• 35:24
  Speaker 2: have spent the past few months geeing up the no
• 35:27
  Speaker 2: Kings protests targeting Donald Trump.
• 35:36
  Speaker 3: I got the Democrats to say, and I've never been
• 35:38
  Speaker 3: able to do that.
• 35:40
  Speaker 5: I couldn't believe it.
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: I couldn't believe it.
• 35:46
  Speaker 3: They liked him more than they've ever liked any Republican
• 35:49
  Speaker 3: or Democrat.
• 35:50
  Speaker 2: Actually, but King Charles, of course, couldn't help himself, venturing
• 35:56
  Speaker 2: into climate alarmism.
• 35:59
  Speaker 12: From the depths of the Atlantic to the disastrously melting
• 36:04
  Speaker 12: ice caps of the Arctic. We ignore, at our peril
• 36:08
  Speaker 12: the fact that these natural systems, in other words, nature's
• 36:12
  Speaker 12: own economy, provide the foundation for our prosperity and our
• 36:18
  Speaker 12: national security.
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: Their idea.
• 36:22
  Speaker 2: This blog has already weathered more tipping points than royal scandals.
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: Yet still here we all are.
• 36:30
  Speaker 2: Still he did provide the best laugh of the day
• 36:32
  Speaker 2: at the state banquet.
• 36:34
  Speaker 12: Indeed, you recently commented, mister President, that if it were
• 36:38
  Speaker 12: not for the United States, European countries would be speaking German.
• 36:43
  Speaker 12: Dare I say that if it was of us, you'd
• 36:45
  Speaker 12: be speaking French. Of course, we both love our French cousins.
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: Greatly terrific stuff. This guy to London on catch up
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: with this the crek who is that? Thanks for joining us?
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: You would have been watching all of this, What did
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: you make of it?
• 37:06
  Speaker 15: I thought he was a complete class act. Now, of
• 37:09
  Speaker 15: course he couldn't help himself with the climate stuff, but
• 37:11
  Speaker 15: I think a bit of grace is given for the
• 37:13
  Speaker 15: fact that this man is keen on driving a car
• 37:15
  Speaker 15: powered by wine, so no one should be surprised that
• 37:19
  Speaker 15: he would absolutely have included that in his speech. But
• 37:23
  Speaker 15: you know, I watched his speech from beginning to end
• 37:24
  Speaker 15: and it was just completely right on the money. The
• 37:28
  Speaker 15: tone was excellent, It was basically a very well done
• 37:31
  Speaker 15: historical lesson as well. He had a few quips in there,
• 37:34
  Speaker 15: which only he can do. But I think what I
• 37:36
  Speaker 15: found most striking was the contrast. I mean, this is
• 37:39
  Speaker 15: what true leadership looks like, because when you look to
• 37:42
  Speaker 15: Westminster right now and what Kirs Starmer is up to,
• 37:44
  Speaker 15: bullying his MP's basically telling hit them to not vote
• 37:49
  Speaker 15: for him, to face greater scrutiny over his appointment of
• 37:52
  Speaker 15: Peter Mandelson as our ambassador to the US. For fear
• 37:56
  Speaker 15: of being suspended from the party or the fact that
• 37:58
  Speaker 15: you know, we've been watched this inquiry into why and
• 38:01
  Speaker 15: how Peter Mandelson was appointed, which basically just shows the
• 38:05
  Speaker 15: complete lack of leadership and competence within his government. And
• 38:09
  Speaker 15: then you compare it to the King, who's basically reiterating
• 38:12
  Speaker 15: the values that bond the UK and the US and
• 38:15
  Speaker 15: more broadly the Western world. It's like night and day.
• 38:18
  Speaker 15: And I think the UK is very grateful for the
• 38:21
  Speaker 15: monarchy at this particular point in time, because when you
• 38:23
  Speaker 15: look at the dumpster fire that is our government at
• 38:26
  Speaker 15: the moment, you can't help but despair. I think he mentioned.
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: Sorry, sorry to cut you off.
• 38:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think you're right about the speech, and you're
• 38:35
  Speaker 2: right about the contrast with the Prime Minister. Although of
• 38:38
  Speaker 2: course the government would have had to approve the King's speech,
• 38:41
  Speaker 2: they would have supported everything in it. But for instance,
• 38:43
  Speaker 2: what King Charles said about Orcus was terribly gratifying for Australia.
• 38:49
  Speaker 2: It was really fantastic to hear that warm support for Aucus,
• 38:52
  Speaker 2: the mentioning of Australia the supporting Congress, something that Keirs
• 38:56
  Speaker 2: Stamer hasn't been able to do to the same level.
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: And there was.
• 38:59
  Speaker 2: Always also the serious reference to the recent assassination attempts
• 39:03
  Speaker 2: of the president as well.
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: Let's have a look at that section.
• 39:06
  Speaker 12: We meet too, in the aftermath of the incident not
• 39:10
  Speaker 12: far from this great building that sought to harm the
• 39:14
  Speaker 12: leadership of your nation and to ferment wider fear and discord.
• 39:21
  Speaker 12: Let me say, with unshakable resolve, such acts of violence
• 39:26
  Speaker 12: will never succeed.
• 39:29
  Speaker 2: Well, it's an obvious point, but throughout the speech he
• 39:31
  Speaker 2: kept reiterating these shared values between the UK and the US,
• 39:35
  Speaker 2: didn't he Yes.
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: He did.
• 39:38
  Speaker 15: And I think one thing that hasn't been spoken about
• 39:40
  Speaker 15: a lot enough or was his reference to Christianity, and
• 39:44
  Speaker 15: he basically reiterating that as the founding principle of both nations,
• 39:48
  Speaker 15: while still finding a way to weave in tolerance for
• 39:50
  Speaker 15: other religions and so forth, which we expect him to do.
• 39:54
  Speaker 15: He talked about his work on interfaith relations and gave
• 39:57
  Speaker 15: a nod to the US's basic progress in that regard
• 40:01
  Speaker 15: as well. So it was really a very very well
• 40:03
  Speaker 15: done speech. I don't think you could have been written
• 40:05
  Speaker 15: any better. I think we have a lot to be
• 40:07
  Speaker 15: grateful for the monarchy in this respect. They're basically professional
• 40:10
  Speaker 15: ambassadors and at a time when you can see how
• 40:13
  Speaker 15: our own politicians can put their foot in it where
• 40:15
  Speaker 15: our prime minister is not honoring diplomatic and military agreements
• 40:20
  Speaker 15: between both countries with regards to, for example, the use
• 40:23
  Speaker 15: of the Chagos Islands, the military base there for the
• 40:26
  Speaker 15: offensive in Iran. You can see the importance of having
• 40:30
  Speaker 15: someone above the fray to say, actually, this is what
• 40:33
  Speaker 15: bonds us. And then this two hundred and fiftieth year
• 40:34
  Speaker 15: anniversary of the birth of your country, it's important to
• 40:38
  Speaker 15: look back a bit at that. He also referenced the
• 40:40
  Speaker 15: Magna Carta, which I was very impressed by.
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he did.
• 40:42
  Speaker 2: He referenced to magne Cata and I learned something from
• 40:44
  Speaker 2: that about the acre of land for the US. At
• 40:48
  Speaker 2: running mate, I want to go to another exis got
• 40:51
  Speaker 2: to some of the friendly banter here, and here's a
• 40:54
  Speaker 2: little bit of the president in at the state dinner.
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: I also remember.
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  Speaker 3: Very clearly Charles, look young, Charles, he's so cute.
• 41:10
  Speaker 1: My mother, My mother had a.
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  Speaker 3: Crush on Charles.
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  Speaker 13: Can you believe it?
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  Speaker 5: Amazing?
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  Speaker 1: How I wonder what she's thinking right now?
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  Speaker 2: Cheap is this or even I'm old enough to remember
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  Speaker 2: when they used to talk about Charles as a six symbol.
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  Speaker 15: Yes, unfortunately, as I do remember snippets of that. I
• 41:32
  Speaker 15: also remember his slight jealousy when Princess Diana was getting
• 41:35
  Speaker 15: a lot more attention than he was during the beginning
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  Speaker 15: of their what turned out to be a fraud marriage.
• 41:41
  Speaker 15: And I actually remember that was during their tour of
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  Speaker 15: Australia when Prince William was just a baby. In the
• 41:48
  Speaker 15: British tabloids, he was saying that, you know why she's
• 41:49
  Speaker 15: getting so much attention. I was like, have you seen her?
• 41:52
  Speaker 15: But these are all the things that we remember, and
• 41:54
  Speaker 15: I'm so glad that he's kind of warned to Trump's
• 41:56
  Speaker 15: style of humor because it's really quite a unique brand. Again,
• 41:59
  Speaker 15: this is diplomacy at its finance. You could see a
• 42:01
  Speaker 15: real camaraderie between the two of them, and this is
• 42:04
  Speaker 15: what the developed world wants to see, this kind of
• 42:07
  Speaker 15: mature relationship. We don't have to agree on everything, but
• 42:10
  Speaker 15: there are values that bond us together that would stand
• 42:13
  Speaker 15: everything else.
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  Speaker 2: I just want to be nearly out of time, but
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  Speaker 2: I just want to show one picture that the White
• 42:18
  Speaker 2: House posted. Given the whole No King's Rally from Donald Trump,
• 42:23
  Speaker 2: This post of the two of them that the White
• 42:26
  Speaker 2: House dubbed two Kings would have riled up the left
• 42:30
  Speaker 2: at no end and was a brilliant.
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  Speaker 1: Barbro from Donald Trump.
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  Speaker 2: Two Kings there they are, Thanks so much for joining
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  Speaker 2: us again, s, I really appreciate it. S the crack
• 42:39
  Speaker 2: who They're live in London. We're going to get to
• 42:41
  Speaker 2: a break on the other side the Wednesday Wrangle. Now,
• 42:43
  Speaker 2: the Labor MP releases a ridiculous AI generated social media ad. Well,
• 42:53
  Speaker 2: it's wrangle our way through Wednesday Late Debate co host Anica.
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: De Georgia for me, you've been all over the shop.
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  Speaker 2: Now, but Late Debate is your home and in Melbourne,
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  Speaker 2: of course, we're joined by Justin Smith, broadcaster, recon tour
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  Speaker 2: author the rest of it. Justin, why don't you kick
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  Speaker 2: it off here by telling us what a wonderful job
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  Speaker 2: the Federal Labor Govern's done managing the budget, that this
• 43:14
  Speaker 2: inflation is all somebody else's follow and they've actually found
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  Speaker 2: one hundred and fourteen million dollars of budget savings.
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  Speaker 1: Ah.
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  Speaker 16: And I wish I was the kind of person that
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  Speaker 16: could crunch the numbers for you and come up with
• 43:26
  Speaker 16: a few miracles, but unfortunately I'm not your guy, But
• 43:30
  Speaker 16: I'm not sure who the guy is.
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: Maybe I could have a go. I'll tell you what.
• 43:36
  Speaker 2: I know who the guy is, and we've got him
• 43:38
  Speaker 2: just here.
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: Ever, listened to Jim.
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  Speaker 4: Chalmers as we recognize that these inflationary pressures mean that
• 43:46
  Speaker 4: Australians are paying a hefty price for the war in
• 43:49
  Speaker 4: the Middle East, and we will do what we responsibly
• 43:52
  Speaker 4: can to respond to those pressures and to continue to
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  Speaker 4: manage the budget in the most responsible way that we can.
• 43:59
  Speaker 2: He's very responsible, isn't he to that? He always talks
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  Speaker 2: a responsible game.
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  Speaker 17: Yeah, but it's a binfire, Yeah, a real responsible man.
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  Speaker 17: The economy is doing so well under this responsible Treasurer.
• 44:09
  Speaker 17: You know what else bothered me about his comments today, Chris,
• 44:12
  Speaker 17: when he said, oh, well, this vindicates the fact that
• 44:15
  Speaker 17: we cut the fuel excise. Let's not forget that labor
• 44:18
  Speaker 17: was dragged, kicking and screaming into cutting the fuel exise.
• 44:21
  Speaker 17: They certainly didn't do it off their own volition. But
• 44:25
  Speaker 17: you know what, you know, the treasure is out there
• 44:27
  Speaker 17: once again blaming the war for everything. He's not very
• 44:31
  Speaker 17: not keen to mention the fact that we've got record
• 44:33
  Speaker 17: government spending. We had all of those subsidies, the energy
• 44:36
  Speaker 17: subsidies that were put in place, and we knew that
• 44:39
  Speaker 17: once those subsidies petered out, of course, inflation was always
• 44:42
  Speaker 17: going to go through the roof. So it's been one
• 44:44
  Speaker 17: band aid solution after another under this labor government. And
• 44:47
  Speaker 17: now suddenly we are seeing the inflex the effects of inflation.
• 44:51
  Speaker 17: Another rate rise on the cards. But Jim's going, that's
• 44:53
  Speaker 17: all right, No, it's just the war. No, it's nothing
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  Speaker 17: to do with us.
• 44:56
  Speaker 13: Just the war.
• 44:57
  Speaker 2: You know, the lies are just being exposed. More par
• 45:00
  Speaker 2: blic servants and whoever they had before. Of course I've
• 45:02
  Speaker 2: had more than another forty thousand dollars forty thousand public servants.
• 45:06
  Speaker 2: But I want to play this again. I played this
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  Speaker 2: at the top of the program. This is a lie
• 45:10
  Speaker 2: today from your Prime minister.
• 45:12
  Speaker 1: Have a look.
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  Speaker 5: We've put one hundred and fourteen billion dollars of savings
• 45:17
  Speaker 5: already work made. That's one hundred and fourteen billion dollars
• 45:20
  Speaker 5: more than the former government had in their last budget
• 45:25
  Speaker 5: because they had zero.
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  Speaker 2: Just extraordinary, justin I got to get your thoughts on
• 45:30
  Speaker 2: this because we've shown before, and we've replayed it against
• 45:33
  Speaker 2: to night how under questioning in the Senate Estimates hearing,
• 45:37
  Speaker 2: the Finance Minister Katie Gallagher has had to admit that.
• 45:41
  Speaker 1: These they didn't save this month.
• 45:42
  Speaker 2: It's just money that's gone from one form of spending
• 45:44
  Speaker 2: to another. They haven't saved a jot yet He's going
• 45:47
  Speaker 2: around trying to tell people he solved saved one hundred
• 45:50
  Speaker 2: and fourteen billion dollars.
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: It's a lie. Oh oh, well, look.
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  Speaker 16: You know, I mean we come here all the time,
• 45:57
  Speaker 16: don't we. Which is that they you know, they turn
• 46:01
  Speaker 16: something that is perceived to be good into something that
• 46:04
  Speaker 16: they have done, and the opposite when you know they
• 46:08
  Speaker 16: say they blame it onto something else. And we've been
• 46:11
  Speaker 16: here many times, both sides of politics. They do it
• 46:13
  Speaker 16: all the time. It's so I think it's so tough.
• 46:16
  Speaker 16: It's so hard for people to try and make sense
• 46:20
  Speaker 16: in the middle. They just want to try and live
• 46:21
  Speaker 16: their lives. They want to try and get an understanding
• 46:23
  Speaker 16: of where the country's going, and we just can't get it.
• 46:27
  Speaker 16: Because I kind to get that talk from them. I
• 46:30
  Speaker 16: really wish that would change.
• 46:31
  Speaker 2: I suppose the good news is Denika, this show's at
• 46:33
  Speaker 2: least they know that they need to save money.
• 46:36
  Speaker 1: They should be saving money. They're just not doing it.
• 46:38
  Speaker 17: No, they're not doing it. So it's all very well
• 46:40
  Speaker 17: and good for the treasure to come out and say,
• 46:41
  Speaker 17: look we've made savings in this department here, we're going
• 46:44
  Speaker 17: to slash costs by x, Y and z. But all
• 46:46
  Speaker 17: he's doing is just moving it into another department. They
• 46:49
  Speaker 17: are shifting it around. The concept is like robbing Peter
• 46:52
  Speaker 17: to pay Paul that's alid is and then putting it
• 46:54
  Speaker 17: in a little pretty bow and selling it to the Australian.
• 46:57
  Speaker 1: Public every government. Yeah I'm not saying, but.
• 47:00
  Speaker 17: The problem is we've got we've got records spending justin
• 47:03
  Speaker 17: record spending under labor here and then they cannot get
• 47:05
  Speaker 17: away with that. And you can't just shift it from
• 47:07
  Speaker 17: one department to another. And as I said, present it
• 47:09
  Speaker 17: with a pretty bow. It doesn't work that way.
• 47:11
  Speaker 2: Let's me go quickly to something else that must trouble
• 47:14
  Speaker 2: all of this. And this is the rising tide of
• 47:15
  Speaker 2: anti Semitism. It hasn't been stemmed in this country despite
• 47:19
  Speaker 2: the horrors of Bondai last December.
• 47:21
  Speaker 1: Have a look at what on.
• 47:24
  Speaker 2: The Sydney University student paper has said it's run an
• 47:28
  Speaker 2: article supporting into FATA it says the resistance deserves our
• 47:32
  Speaker 2: unconditional support until victory, glory to all our martyrs from
• 47:37
  Speaker 2: Gadigal to Gaza will have into Farda. This is just sickening,
• 47:41
  Speaker 2: isn't justice? This is university students calling for the murder of.
• 47:45
  Speaker 16: Jews and why are they running that crap? I just
• 47:50
  Speaker 16: don't understand it. I really think, you know, sometimes people
• 47:54
  Speaker 16: view this kind of thing as a game. You know,
• 47:56
  Speaker 16: we all know how important words are, and I think
• 48:00
  Speaker 16: some people, you know, they I don't know whether they
• 48:03
  Speaker 16: just enjoy the thrill of trying to shock people, but
• 48:05
  Speaker 16: I don't really think they understand what that means and
• 48:08
  Speaker 16: what that means to the good Muslim people who are
• 48:11
  Speaker 16: just trying to live their lives and try to be
• 48:13
  Speaker 16: good Australians then have to read that kind of thing,
• 48:16
  Speaker 16: and then not to mention the people who would be
• 48:18
  Speaker 16: the target of that kind of language.
• 48:20
  Speaker 1: The hatred is just extraordinary. You know, I think, grow
• 48:23
  Speaker 1: up a little, it really is.
• 48:24
  Speaker 17: Did you see at the end of that article as well,
• 48:26
  Speaker 17: the other woman who wrote at selene' Z, who also
• 48:28
  Speaker 17: claimed that the Isis women had simply visited family back
• 48:31
  Speaker 17: in Syria that they had been misrepresented as isis brides.
• 48:34
  Speaker 17: It was just a little holiday for them.
• 48:36
  Speaker 1: It's shocking, just terrible.
• 48:37
  Speaker 2: Let me finish on a light note, also a word
• 48:40
  Speaker 2: of reassurance because this blog, I think is actually a
• 48:42
  Speaker 2: qualified economist and he's a labor front venture and well
• 48:46
  Speaker 2: you know, he's adding some intellectual depth to our political debate.
• 48:50
  Speaker 1: Have a look.
• 48:52
  Speaker 11: It was the one nation politician action figure ready to
• 48:54
  Speaker 11: make headlines whether you like it or not. Cools with
• 48:59
  Speaker 11: features like conspiracy theories, racist slurs, permanent infighting, candidate scandals.
• 49:04
  Speaker 11: Just push the button to make him say an outrageous
• 49:06
  Speaker 11: slogan en net zerra, What's what happens when it beats
• 49:10
  Speaker 11: reasonable debates down? It goes yours for just twenty nine
• 49:13
  Speaker 11: dollars of ninety nine batteries not included. Figure does not
• 49:16
  Speaker 11: actually solve complex problems.
• 49:17
  Speaker 17: Results me very critical thinking.
• 49:18
  Speaker 2: Sold separately that ad from Labor MP Andrew Lee Denka,
• 49:23
  Speaker 2: who's also the assistant treasurer.
• 49:25
  Speaker 1: We're all doomed, don't we.
• 49:26
  Speaker 17: We are doomed. And you know what, racial slurs, it's
• 49:29
  Speaker 17: not racist again to talk about migration, everything that Pauline
• 49:32
  Speaker 17: Hanson is talking about. What every day Ozzies are worried about.
• 49:35
  Speaker 17: That is just pathetic politics.
• 49:37
  Speaker 1: Justin, you'll get the last word next week. Thanks for
• 49:40
  Speaker 1: joining us.
• 49:40
  Speaker 2: Justsin Smith and Denika to Georgia JN. We'll be back
• 49:43
  Speaker 2: ten o'clock with the late debates. I'll hand over to
• 49:45
  Speaker 2: Peter Kredlin now and I'll see you tomorrow